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The Grail War continues, and you're about to face off against Yamata-no-Orochi, the god that your grandfather summoned into himself in a mad bid for revenge against you.

You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.

To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.

The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.

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"Ha... The goddess in question... and the goddess that was sealed... is none other than Ishtar, a God you are quite familiar with."

"Ishtar? That goddess? And you're saying that you had her sealed into a bottle?" Gilgamesh speaks with strangely concealed excitement in his voice. "You mean to tell me that of all things to happen, Ishtar crossed you and you... you put her in a bottle?"

"That's about what happened, it seems, though I had originally only requested for Assassin to break the curse making up her existence on the planet, it does appear as if she went above and beyond in her duties. Of course, this is honestly quite preferable, I look forward to forcing her to act as a maid for the girl she attempted to possess, or at least some some otherwise degrading job for a goddess. Ishtar had set up a curse containing her personality and power to-" You get cut off by Gilgamesh suddenly bursting into uncontrollable laughter.

"Haha... Hahaha! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" Gilgamesh starts to laugh uncontrollably. "That... idiot goddess! Sealed!?" He can barely even get any words out as he almost doubles over with laughter. "This is the funniest joke I've heard since... ever!" He continues laughing for almost a minute straight before he begins speaking once again, still terribly mirthful. "And... I know that you're telling the truth too! That idiot goddess really...!" He laughs again.

"I'm planning on perhaps having her be placed in a powerless puppet body, and I'm sure that I can come to some sort of arrangement where I can lend you her services, though I do wish for her to remain as a personal toy of the girl she attempted to overwrite most of all. You understand that, right?" Of all the people who have been wronged by Ishtar at this point, Illya is at the very top of the list. Having been considered nothing but a vessel for her, and being thought of as so unimportant that Ishtar attempted to simply erase the personality of Illya, just as she did to Fillia in a potential future.

"I might just have to take you up on that offer at some point, Outsider! What a level that fool has been brought to! And such a deserved level too!" Gilgamesh wipes a tear from one of his eyes, before finally getting himself under control. "Ahh, Outsider, you are an amusing sort, truly."

"Would you... mind putting the bottle in your vault when Chiyome brings it to us?" You don't want to risk it being broken, and Gilgamesh's Vaults are just about the safest place that anything can be stored. Nobody gets in the vaults except Gilgamesh, or perhaps a Divine Spirit with access to the Key to the Vault, but that's not really a problem here, as Gilgamesh hasn't carelessly just left such a thing lying in a cave to be used against him.
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Gilgamesh smirks wildly. "Of course, Outsider. The goddess Ishtar sealed into a bottle as a result of her own foolishness is something I consider equal in value to even the greatest of treasures in my vault! If only for the sake of my own amusement!" Gilgamesh almost goes on a laughing fit again, before he properly regains control of himself.

"Thank you, Gilgamesh. As for everyone else, I've come up with... a plan of sorts, that I believe may just be what allows us to claim victory. First off, Lugh!" You decide against even bothering to keep trying to communicate with Gilgamesh when he might just burst out into laughter again at any moment. You also decide against continuing the deception of using the name 'Fenri' or whatever it was that he decided to make his fake name, there's really not much point in continuing to try to use it now, it's not like anybody is possibly going to betray you at this junction.

"Yes, Shinji?" The wolf boy suddenly perks up when you mention his name, and begins smiling at you for some reason.

"I want to know if you'd allow me and Sakura ride on your back for the purpose of this mission. For the sake of additional mobility, of course. It's a long way down." Three kilometers, and you aren't sure if that's a total drop or a twisting tunnel. A straight drop would of course be far far simpler for you to manage, as you would simply have to ensure you survived the impact, rather than need to travel downwards.

"Of course! I... I mean, I wouldn't mind letting you ride on my back." Well, that's good that he doesn't have any issues with it. Though he was just a little bit too enthusiastic in agreeing to your request, you feel. Oh well, it probably doesn't mean anything anyway. You feel like you ought to spend a little more time with Lugh, considering just how powerful an ally he actually is.

"Well, there's another thing too... Medusa?" You look at the woman, who isn't wearing her blindfold right now. Then again, it's not like she has much use for Breaker Gorgon now that Three Faces allows her to seal her unwanted skills on a whim. Honestly, it's amazing just how powerful that Medusa is now. As a Servant, she's easily one of the strongest that could be summoned. In fact, with as many abilities as she has now, she's the sort of Servant that losing a typical Grail War with would require a very very stupid Master. Unfortunately for you, this isn't at all a typical Grail War.

"Yes?" Medusa steps forwards the moment that you mention her name. "What do you require from me, Shinji?" She's clearly optimistic to get her chance to help as well. You appreciate that you've managed to instill a sense of loyalty and trust into most of your allies. Medusa trusts you to be able to create a plan that will work perfectly.
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"I want to ask you if I can... borrow Bellerophon..." It's a very personal thing to ask, to simply tell a Heroic Spirit that you want to borrow one of their Noble Phantasms, but you feel like Medusa will happily allow for you to borrow something like Bellerophon from her. She does seem to actually enjoy your company, after all, and after you saved her and both of her sisters, she should owe you quite a lot. Not that you'd ever hold the fact that you did such a thing over her in order to try to force her into doing something she doesn't want to do.

"Bellerophon? Of course, but... I take it you would like for me to summon Pegasus for you as well?" Pegasus would indeed be a powerful ally here, but not nearly powerful enough for what needs to be done. No, the usage of Bellerophon is for none other than Lugh himself.

"That won't be necessary." You walk over to Lugh and pat him on the head. "It's not for Pegasus, Bellerophon enhances the abilities of any Phantasmal Beast that it is placed on, right?" You ask Medusa something both of you already know.

"That's true, but..." She doesn't seem to have figured out just what you're getting at. So you decide to just reveal things to her and everyone else here.

"Well, allow me to properly introduce you all to Lugh Beowulf here." You pick the boy up to show him off, you marvel at how light he currently is, he squirms just a little at being shown off like some prize vegetable or something. "Lugh here is an Incarnated Elemental in addition to a Phantasmal Beast, and is a three thousand year class mystery, if memory serves me correctly. When it comes to Phantasmal Beasts, Lugh is pretty much in a league of his own." Honestly, the only competition he has in the field of strongest Phantasmal Beast is Alítheia, and potentially Gugulanna, but unless you want to maybe extort the Ishtar in a Bottle into giving you the Bull of Heaven, Gugulanna isn't something that you're going to be summoning any time soon. "I want you to let me use Bellerophon on him. You're... OK with that, right Lugh?" You ask the boy as you put him back down on the floor.

"...Mostly? I suppose. Though if you really intend to properly ride me, you'd best hope you're capable of holding on tight!" Lugh says with a confident looking smirk on his face, he's carried you before, but actually riding him as a mount is quite a bit different. Still, with your Riding at A+, there's nothing to worry about.

"Oh don't worry, there's not a single beast on this planet that I can't ride now, thanks to Medusa." You smile at Medusa as you say that, and the woman blushes ever so slightly. Not the sort of reaction you were expecting from her, it seems like she's really started to act differently around you recently since the prison. "Now, Alcides, I need to ask you something as well..." The man looks up at you, and doesn't respond verbally. "I need to ask you if I can borrow Ares' Sash, it's crucial for my plan."
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"That thing?" Alcides suddenly materializes a band of fabric in his hands. "Sure, I wasn't planning of making much use of it anyway, so if you want to use it, feel free." He tosses you the powerful Noble Phantasm almost carelessly. Despite there being a tremendous amount of magical energy and divinity in the sash, he tosses it aside like it's actually nothing but garbage. Seems his dislike for divinity is burning quite a bit brighter today. Definitely something that you can blame Ishtar for. Speaking of Ishtar...

"Jason!" You call out to the blonde man, who's looking smugger than usual for whatever reason. You've got no idea why though. "Ishtar took you and Alcides' to the docks to complete your Noble Phantasm, didn't she? Did you make any progress in it?"

"Well, actually, I completed it after I was command spelled... but none of my Argonauts responded to my call for help. It turns out that none of them were willing to respond to my call for aid when the goal of the request was to 'help assist an insane Mesopotamian Goddess attempting to overwrite the mind of an innocent girl to achieve her vengeance on two heroes she doesn't like.' This of course left her very much unable to command the force of Heroic Spirits that I had offered to her. The lack of her expected aid gave your Assassin the extra time she needed to save my Master." Jason has a smug smirk on his face as he reveals that he managed to deceive Ishtar. Maybe he isn't such a bad guy after all? If he really helped that much in subduing Ishtar, he's at least worthy of some praise.

"Thank you for helping Illyasviel, Jason. Perhaps... I may have been a little wrong in my initial judgment of you." You aren't about to apologize for hitting him for badmouthing Medea, that's still a no-go, but Jason, while on the surface a self-serving asshole, does have the qualities of a hero. If he didn't then Chiron never would've even considered training him! He's proved himself as a hero already, his quick thinking allowing for Illya to be saved from Ishtar with greater success, though in truth, you don't actually know the full story about what happened on the boat yet. "Now, I need to ask you whether or not you can attempt to resummon the Argonauts? If you purposely failed in your original attempt at doing so, shouldn't you be capable of summoning them now that your goal is to save the world from an insane God?"

"I can, but... Well, I'll need to be on the boat itself for that." Jason explains. "A ship cannot sail without its captain, after all." Makes sense that he needs to actually be on the Argo to attempt to summon the rest of his crew, you keep that in mind. You'll have to decide whether you want to send Jason to actually go and attempt to summon the rest of the Argonauts or whether you want him to stay with the group here.
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You turn to Ciel as you fish a well folded piece of fabric from out of one of your pockets. "Ciel! You gave me this, and I think that it's about time I returned it to you. I... I'm going to need to ask you to wear it, so you can be undetected as we approach Orochi... Do you think that Lance of yours can kill a god like him?"

"I don't have a single doubt that the Lance of Longinus is capable of killing a god, Shinji. This weapon has been anointed in the blood of the Messiah himself, and as a weapon, it not only guarantees death, but it also has an incredible aptitude to slaying divine spirits and gods. This spear can pierce through even defenses that could block concepts from reaching something, if it is being wielded against a so-called god." Huh, it really does sound as if it is the ultimate anti-divine weapon! With any luck, a single stab with it will be all you need to take Orochi out! Though you honestly don't think you're going to be nearly that lucky.

"Good, good. Next up, Nobu..." You blurt out only the first two syllables of the girl's name as you call her next. "...naga." You finish her name after an awkward delay. She raises an eyebrow at you, but doesn't say anything else. "When we enter into the cave, I want you to use the Bluff of Okehazama to mask your presence OK? Your power might be crucial in allowing for us all to overcome Orochi, and if you can remain undetected in order to deal a lethal shot to the god, then all the better." With her anti-divinity specialization, Nobunaga will be as much a powerful ally in this battle as Gilgamesh and Enkidu both.

"Sounds fine by me." Nobunaga sounds glad to have been given a shot at actually killing the insane god herself. Though you make a mental note to only call her 'Nobu' when you've been given actual permission. It's a bit strange to give somebody you've only known for a few minutes a nickname, after all.

"Then Medusa, you're to take on your most agile form and wield Harpe as your main weapon. You can use your maximum strength and Cybele while sealing your divinity, right?" Three Faces ought to allow her to do something like that, right?

"I can do that, if Sakura provides me the energy to do so, it will be quite a draw so-" Medusa is about to explain the limitations of her newly gained skill, but it's simply something that doesn't really apply considering just who her Master is.
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"Don't worry about that, Medusa, I don't think it will end up being a problem!" Sakura beams a smile at her Servant, and you know exactly why. Now that she's seemingly got more control over the power she is receiving from Tiamat, that also might mean she's got control over the magical energy of the Beast Class Servant too, of course, this means that she's potentially got about seven times as much magical energy as a Holy Grail available to her, and with that much power on her side, she could likely use even her basic magic to completely engulf an entire city in a great black shadow, at a far far greater level than the Shadow in Heaven's Feel was capable of.

"I understand, then..." Medusa is suddenly engulfed in white light as she takes a smaller, and in some ways cuter, form. "I will take on my smallest and most agile form, a smaller target is beneficial when you're just as powerful as you would be otherwise!" She cheerfully explains, and her general disposition seems to have changed a little as a result of her taking on the form of a child.

"Very good, Medusa... As for everyone else, the general plan of attack is to bind him in human form. If it can be helped, killing any of Orochi's Servants should be avoided, as his Caster, who I believe to be Paracelcus, is clearly only working with him unwillingly, and may be a great deal of help in reversing whatever Ritual that Orochi is attempting down there. Gilgamesh, Enkidu... When we reach him, do you think you'll be able to bind this God with your chains?"

"Of course. No god can resist the power of the Chains of Heaven." Gilgamesh states with great confidence, and you... know that isn't quite true. Tiamat managed to break out of the Chains of Heaven after only a small amount of time, and even somebody like Heracles was powerful enough to break the grip that they had on him with the last vestiges of his strength. However, with two sets working together, the chains may just have more success at doing what they're supposed to do.

Well, now that everyone knows the plan, you suppose that there are a few last decisions you need to make.

>Send Jason to the Argo to summon the rest of his crew?
>>Yes
>>No

>Wait for Chiyome to come through before heading off to fight Orochi?
>>Yes
>>No

>Contact Chiyome telepathically to see how progress is going with healing your unconscious allies?
>>Yes
>>No

>Ask for any other allies that might be helpful for defeating Orochi who are still at Rin's home?
>>Yes (Who?)
>>No

>Write-in?
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Also, do you want another Interlude soon?
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>>4752077
Yes
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>>4752077
Yes, those are pretty fun.
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>>4752070
Ehhh, didn't Kingu hold Tiamat for 1 hour since GO dude falls asleep and Tia breaks out only when they wake up?
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>>4752077
Yeah
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>>4752077
Yes, I want to read about Zouken seething against Shinji.
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>>4752089
Oh shit, did it happen that way?
I completely forgot.
So did Shinji.
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I also have to insert some theory autism before planning takes the center stage.

Setanta profile from GO Arcade says this:

(In other words, a situation where the materialized hero Cu Chulainn does not possess either this Skill or the Noble Phantasm Gae Bolg————should be essentially impossible.)

Which means... Lostbelt Odin hiding in Cu Spirit Origin in Singularity F (which itself was mysterious) theory confirmed?

Awakening talk made me remember and look it up.

Now its plan autism time.
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>>4752089
How strong even was Babylonia Singularity's Tiamat? Stronger than Our Gal, or was her wrecking shit this hard as a Beast to be expected?
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You know what they say: If you need luck, generate your own luck. In the very literal sense from a certain half fairy.
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>>4752098
Basically Tiamat gets Chain'd, you fall unconscious and when you wake up is when Tia breaks out, some dialogue says its an hour iirc.
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>>4752103
I think they are equal? I don't think Tiamat ever dies or can die while life exists as a Beast. She just got pushed into Imaginary Number Space, so they are both living existences, even if Beasts manifest in what would be qualified as Saint Graphs.
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Gil is having pretty good time.
>>4752077
Yes. We have pretty big list of possible fun ones.
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>>4752103
>How strong even was Babylonia Singularity's Tiamat? Stronger than Our Gal, or was her wrecking shit this hard as a Beast to be expected?
Absolutely wrecking everyone's shit despite being held back by her own consciousness .

>>4752107
How convenient.
I love tell don't show as a writing technique.
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You know what, if it isn't too spoilery, I'll let you choose your own interlude.
Who do you want to catch up with?
This isn't a vote, just... giving me ideas.
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>>4752070
I would suggest voting, because I am going to call the vote in 40 minutes.
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>>4752119
I kinda want to see what the fuck is going through Paracelsus' head but that may be too much info for us?
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We should be able to give Ciel some buffs with Reinforcement, right? I don`t recall us every giving them to someone else.
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>>4752119
As I said before I want Zouken's POV right before Shinji teleported in and he summoned Orochi.

Or Waver preparing his travel to Fuyuki and what he has done since.
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>>4752077
Yes

Alright, planning time.
I think we should send Jason to the Argo, but not wait for them before we leave. Alcides will manage without the buff. Assclap will need some time to tend to the cursed. If he's confident that he can protect them from Orochi's curse then we should have them follow us a bit later on, after preparing for cursefuckery. They will arrive in our time of need. And if they don't get there in time and the cave collapses around them, spirit form should allow them to get out in time.

I don't see why we wouldn't want to wait for Chiyome. She only needs a touch per ally, it'll only be a minute

We shouldn't disturb our ninja while she's working.

The only other ally we have that we would want to come with is Aoko. The fifth would be pretty convenient to have. I say we ask her.

Also, we should ask Gilgamesh to keep an eye out for Obeithion in the coming battle. He shouldn't object to protecting the fairy saberface, and her being a fairy makes her vulnerable to Arc's power that Orochi gobbled.

And we certainly shouldn't forget to headpat our ninja and tell her we're proud of her when she brings us the bottle.

>>4752119
Waver's group for me. It was an option before. Mordred's battle otherwise, it was also an option.
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>>4752064
>Though he was just a little bit too enthusiastic in agreeing to your request, you feel. Oh well, it probably doesn't mean anything anyway.
Oh no. Please tell me it's not what I think it is.
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>>4752119
Second briefing that happened after we went to save Medusa. Preferable from Ciel`s perspective.
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>>4752129
He wants you to "ride" him, if you know what he means.
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>>4752129
He doesn't have a specific gender, so in the unlikely event that he finds a mate, he can adjust his sex according to his partner.
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>>4752135
I'm fearing having another contestant in Shinjibowl, not a cute wolf.
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>>4752127
I fully agree apart from
>Also, we should ask Gilgamesh to keep an eye out for Obeithion in the coming battle. He shouldn't object to protecting the fairy saberface, and her being a fairy makes her vulnerable to Arc's power that Orochi gobbled.
Let Mordred handle it.
And as I said in >>4752125 lets try to buff Ciel.
And SHIKI too.
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>>4752119
>Jason's S-
Just kidding.

An interlude from the POV of waver's group would be beneficial to us.
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>>4752140
But he is a cute wolf.
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>>4752129
>In b4 Lugh adds his cute femboy behind to the harem all by himself
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>>4752119
Neco-Arcs at Ahnenerbe when it isn't a Carnival.
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>>4752141
Alright, we tell Mordred to protect her aunt(?). As long as someone's keeping an eye for her, it's all good.

I don't think we can reinforce other people, and I'm not sure we can afford to spend the mana even if we can. Truth is mana hungry, and we don't have Alitheia boosting our regen anymore.
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>>4752119
Waver
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>>4752135
Phantasmal Golden Werewolf OP even in this category
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>>4752119
Lugh
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>>4752145
To be honest I'm disappointed there isn't a Lugh plushie out there, I would buy it in an instant.
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>>4752143
yeah this would really be a help
>considering Waver just walked into the craziest grail war ever and his daddy's life is at stake
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>>4752119
Waver’s group, I’m wondering how much Waver’s been smoking since he’s gotten here
>>4752135
>more dangerous people who want Shinji’s dick
No way in hell that Shinji’s not going to be drained repeatedly after all of this is done
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>>4752149
Don't worry anon. Back Alley Alliance Nightmare confirmed Neco-Spirits as canon to non-Carnival as Lev Lainur Flauros gets stuck there while travelling from Singularity F towards a different worldline.

You may give up thinking that there are limits to the degree that jokes are not jokes in nasuland. haha
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>>4752119
Waver interlude would be fun
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>>4752150
Lugh should know some magecraft. As a Phantasmal he should have Regression to the Age of Gods to simulate AoG magic whenever, iirc? So he can probably use something.
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>>4752150
>aunt(?).
Technically, both Mordred and Obeithion are Saber's Clones.
This family tree is now a complete and total mess.
You may actually want to perhaps officially introduce Obeithion.
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>>4752163
The composition of his regression is the Phylogenetic Tree up to the 18th century, meaning he's pretty much just the ultimate shapeshifter and can take the form of anything he feels like.
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>>4752119
Got few other fun ideas.
Altrouge catching up on current situation in War.
First meeting of Chiyome with rest of our allies before the docks also sounds fun.
And I think you only did first part of Rin confronting Kirei.
>>4752150
I am not sure about our skills in reinforcing other people but idea to give Ciel some extra speed to get better use of her spear looks like a worthwhile investment.
Most of our training was focused on ourselves but I think we should be able to do that.
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>>4752164
Yeah, it's probably a good idea to get Artoria used to having clones of herself running around.
Grey too for that matter, I wonder if she'll stop feeling sad about losing her identity when she finds out there's like fifty Artoria clones in existence all with unique lives and personalities.
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>>4752070
>Send Jason to the Argo. Don't wait for them before we leave. Have Asclepius tend to the cursed. If he is confident he can protect the group from Orochi's cursefuckery, they should follow us later on. Spiritual form should keep them safe if they happen to be late and the cave collapses around them.

>Wait for Chiyome. It'll only be a minute. Headpat her when she brings us the bottle and tell her we're proud of her

>Don't contact her before she finishes.

>Ask Aoko to come with

>Introduce Obeithion who is something between Mordred's aunt and sister. Ask our King to keep an eye for her in the coming battle

>>4752164
Obeithion has some of Saber's memories, which is why I think she's more like Saber's sister. We consider BB something like a sister to Sakura, and it's a pretty similar situation.
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>>4752168
To put it in another way, Lugh has the same powerset as Ultimate Kars.
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>>4752168
Is Medusa capable of anything like Reinforcement, given she summons Pegasus through magecraft?
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>>4752171
Imagine if Gray learned of Servant Universe and the Mysterious Heroine line.

>>4752174
Based.
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>>4752174
WhatIs, can we Reinforce other people or is it just a self-buff?
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>>4752172
>>4752070
+1
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>>4752175
Perhaps if she was taught how to reinforce herself.
Back in the Age of Gods, reinforcing your own body with magecraft seemed to be pretty unneeded. Espeically for people as naturally powerful as Medusa.
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>>4752178
It's dangerous and won't last very long, but theoretically?
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>>4752170
oh shit yeah i wanna see how Rin's confrontation with Kirei went too
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>>4752183
Alright, not worth it then.

>>4752184
I'm pretty sure there was already an interlude about that.
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>>4752185
we didn't see the whole thing though
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>>4752185
there was
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If only you knew somebody who had incredibly potent reinforcement magic.
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>>4752188
Ah, right.
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I recently read through some of the archive, and I'm really happy to see you haven't burned out the way I did, What. Good on you.
That said I want to clear the air on one thing. Fate/Awakening Mirror was a garbage fire by the end, with inconsistent pacing and characterization, and no clear direction. The entire thing was brought down by a lack of planning, a problem I didn't have in Akeldama.
It turned out so bad, and so unpleasant to write, that it effectively killed my investment in the entire Fate franchise.
Please don't confuse apologists for the quest with me.
That said, I do still intend to come back and finish it once I've put together some kind of coherent direction for an ending to go in. I would appreciate personally if you don't take it on yourself to do some kind of reinterpretation here.
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>>4752185
It ended right before Kirei was about to tell her all things he did.
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>>4752191
Yeah, but can she Reinforce someone from so far away and keep it up without coming into contact with Mr. Snake-Godbreaker? I actually don't know so uh, maybe we should ask.
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>>4752194
Oh, and also tone. Horribly inconsistent pacing, tone, and characterization.
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>>4752070
Switching >>4752172 to
>Send Jason to the Argo. Don't wait for them before we leave. Have Asclepius tend to the cursed. If he is confident he can protect the group from Orochi's cursefuckery, they should follow us later on. Spiritual form should keep them safe if they happen to be late and the cave collapses around them.

>Wait for Chiyome. It'll only be a minute. Headpat her when she brings us the bottle and tell her we're proud of her

>Don't contact her before she finishes.

>Ask Aoko to come with

>Introduce Obeithion who is something between Mordred's aunt and sister. Ask our King to keep an eye for her in the coming battle

>Send SHIKI and Ciel to the mansion and ask Medea to reinforce them while we're waiting for Chiyome. Reinforcement good, can't risk to bring Medea here.

>>4752191
Oh damn, why didn't we think of that in the first place.
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>>4752194
>>4752201
Wow, I thought you'd abandoned the board forever.
Now I feel kind of bad.
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>>4752070
>>4752205
+1
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>>4752194
I will never forgive you for what they tell me you did to Shirou and Sakura.
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>>4752119
I'd like a Taiga interlude to find out how she became a Master, and who is her Servant.
Waver's will likely win, but maybe afterwards this one will make it.
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I want a sakura interlude. GIVE ME THAT FLUFF QM!!
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>>4752211
Honestly, inconsistent characterization is one of the main reasons I want to reboot my Castlevania quest instead of continue it, I felt like it would've been better ending it when Arthur became a vampire and figuring out a sequel from there instead of just allowing it to keep going on but I didn't want to let my players down.
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Sacchin interlude!
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>>4752194
Nice to see you're still alive sweets
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>>4752070
Supporting >>4752205 since it covers just about everything.
>>4752194
>>4752201
Neat. But are you sure you don`t want to adjust Awakening in some way and redo second part all together? You kind of painted yourself into a corner among other many things that went wrong.
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>>4752218
ΟΗ! The helicopter ride! What mother and daughter talked about! This needs to happen! Thank you fren, great idea!
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>>4752070
>>4752205
This
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>>4752070
I’ll support >>4752205
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>>4752211
Close to it. The last 6 months of that quest left the mother of all bad tastes in my mouth.

>>4752213
Heard it all before, anon. If it makes you feel any better, the first change I'd make in a rewrite would be cutting them from the story entirely.

>>4752223
It would absolutely be the best way to fix things, but I do feel like I'd be letting everyone who stuck with it to that point down.
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>>4752194
why'd u gotta make it edgy and have your MC kill Shirou tho
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>>4752070
Supporting >>4752172


>>4752220
This is kinda painful to look at. I guess she heard we confessed to Sakura.
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>>4752070
>>4752205
This
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>>4752070
>>4752233
Actually the variant with sending immortals for buffs is fine too if Gil doesn’t mind
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>>4752233
The image represents the QM's regrets.
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>>4752172
>>4752070
+1
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>>4752231
>the first change I'd make in a rewrite would be cutting them from the story entirely
for the best, rubs me off the wrong way when fanfic or sequels or anything kills off the main cast by using the new main characters
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>>4752231
It does not make me feel better. You cannot undo the past. You can strive to do better in the future, and I do wish you luck in that. I will certainly not be following though.

>>4752233
>This is kinda painful to look at. I guess she heard we confessed to Sakura.
It is. The MOMENT we're done saving the world, Monica, Bazett and Cu, we absolutely need to talk to both of them and tell them we love them both. It's the only chance we have at a happy ending.
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>>4752231
I dunno, I participated in the quest, but I would be fine with you restarting from the end of akeldama. I just want more content and a good ending, and if a full redo of awakening mirror was necessary for these things, I would fully support it.
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>>4752194
what are your honest thoughts on this quest?
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>>4752231
I wouldn't mind a reboot starting from the beginning of Awakening.

Maybe we can keep Ayaka's brother alive this time
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>>4752244
I didn't play it and don't want to give my opinion on something I'm not fully familiar with.
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>>4752242
>>4752233
Bros, the Medea images with the bleeding and crying came when Sweets came in and WhatIs realized they are still here while Awakening was talked about before.

Not to say Medea and others(!) shouldn't be handled carefully and well, but no need to panic as of this moment. You may panic at the first sign of trouble or sadness IC tho.

Yes, this is my optimism and hope. Also Lugh wants in on the bowl it looks like kek
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>>4752070
>>4752205
Support.
Also damn, you sure this isn't the final boss?
With this level of preparation, I can't really think Manaka will be worse than this.
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>>4752251
>you sure this isn't the final boss?
You know, he honestly might be if you don't hurry up.
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How bad is it if Our Loving psuedo divinity Grandpa summon Lucifer or Satan?
Is Lucifer more stronger version of Satan or they will be separate entity
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>>4752231
Gonna break my lurking streak to say a reboot sounds really good at this point. I'm not sure anyone would enjoy continuing where we left off.
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>>4752249
Even if she didn't see it, many other people did. The will talk. This is what happens tomorrow if we don't nip it in the bud today. I am optimistic as well, but not if we keep avoiding the situation

>>4752251
Be afraid. Be very afraid. Paranoia carried us this far, let's not forget it.
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I'll say one last thing before I disappear again. The core problem that's kept me from coming back to Awakening Mirror for this long was my realization, partway through that quest, that many of the players were way, way, WAY more invested in the overall Nasuverse than I am. End of the day, the only Fate I really cared about was the 2004 VN, and that's a problem I still don't have a solution for.
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>>4752231
If you're actually asking to gauge interest, I'd enjoy a reboot too.
Preferably from the vote where we picked our class.
With no Saber and no Heilig available.
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>>4752070
>>4752205
This

>>4752231
>It would absolutely be the best way to fix things, but I do feel like I'd be letting everyone who stuck with it to that point down.
So long as you give it your A game and try not to repeat past mistakes they'll come around, if you do end up going the full reboot route hope you'll reshuffle some of the cast if only to avoid metagaming around the servants/masters we saw previously.
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>>4752254
>You know, he honestly might be if you don't hurry up.
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>>4752231
I feel like you don`t have a lot of room to work with considering how things were going in your last threads. Sword suddenly starting to hit people would feel really cheap.
And as somebody how participated for the most of Akeldama and Awakening I would be totally fine with you restarting second part. Preferable with other Servant class like Archer, Assassin or even Caster. Something for players to play creative with and avoid previous pitfalls.
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>>4752254
Final preparations and we're off. We should be fine. Right guys?

Right?
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Some lore autism from Hollow Ataraxia to distract myself from the dangers we're about to walk into and what awaits after the War The Shinjibowl Navigation

Hollow Ataraxia has the first on screen and mentioned presence of a singularity. Illya explicitly calls it a singularity where the "future leads to the past" and "malfunctioning causality" appearsa and where "anything's possible", being a "mini-terminal". Good job Rin?

Image related as to what are examples of possibilities like Alien God, the Singularity where chinaman wanted to make an Elixir and the bleaching of the World/Singularity F? Also some weirdness with Kirei never surviving in any worldline and the Kirei-pseudo being suspicious as fuck and disappearing from the world entirely in 2004.

>>4752257
Not saying we don't have to hash it out pronto, but we should be absolutely clear then, and also not deceive them even unintentionally. Re:Others than these two as well, and including these two. Deception is death.
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>>4752267
>Deception is death
Agreed. We are Truth, and Truth will guide our way.
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>100 posts already
Damn, you niggas are fast.
>>4752260
yeah, that sucks, but you do need to know a shitlot of whatever you are writing or the players will out autist you.
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>>4752268
Speaking of, I think WhatIs has used 'honestly' at least once in like every update

Shinji is nothing if not truthful
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>>4752231
>It would absolutely be the best way to fix things, but I do feel like I'd be letting everyone who stuck with it to that point down.
As someone who stayed till the very end, I'd love to see a Redux of Awakening Mirror.
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>>4752205
>>4752070
+1
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Should we uh, just go in and have Chiyome follow us when she gets here while providing distraction?
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Has the vote been called?
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>>4752295
I am now writing.
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>>4752297
Why haven't we rubbed or kissed those ears yet? Hell even lick them.
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>>4752302
Reminds me of a certain doujin.
But yeah, we should.
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Since we may see a Waver interlude in the...somewhen, we find out something interesting about Waver and why he's disliked in the Clocktower...I did not expect this, but I should have. Truly a modern magus.

In fact, the main reason why so many mages want Waver dead is because his MO is figuring out the inner workings of other people's magecrafts, changing them, and then patenting them under his own name.
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>>4752290
If Orochi has smart traps it is better to have her around.
>>4752260
>I still don't have a solution for.
It is actually has a very simple solution.
You should just avoid escalating things too high so a lot that extra stuff won`t play an important role.
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>>4752302
>>4752297
I wanna pet Gorgon's snake hair
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>>4752314
I want to put our dick in one
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>>4752302
Because up until very recently we've been playing oblivious protagonist. If all goes well, tomorrow will be a good day for elf-ear rubbing. Truth is on our side.
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>>4752316
Would it be like some of those succubus tails
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>>4752311
Waver has this bizarre ability to see how a spell works by just looking at it being used, its weird.
Dude decreases mystery just by existing.
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>>4752319
Prob like Bobanons Manticore monster girl tail
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>>4752321
Hot
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Speaking of Waver, how did the Zhuge Liang thing happen anyway?
Is it gonna happen here?
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>>4752328
Marisbury just shoved a chinaman into Waver, fate of the world yadayadayada.
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>>4752328
they both got overworked to death i think, thats why he just let waver on the driver seat.
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>>4752328
>Is it gonna happen here?
Zhuge Liang in a bottle.
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>>4752335
Waver is the one in complete control tho.
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>>4752337
Zhuge Liang MAY get out of this without being bottled.
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>>4752340
Not Sima Yi-Reines tho.
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>>4752317
not really oblivious, more like purposely avoiding it
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Goddamn it I tune out for a day and we get Istar promised to being a maid. Why ya gotta nuke the dream!

Ishtar Rin is dead before it even started.
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Madea making a mystic code takes awhile doesn't it? Just find something to give fox wife so she can do it quickly.

We don't want to give Orochi more time.
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>>4752386
We would never shove her inside Rin. Rin wouldn't agree.
At best we make a puppet body of Rin to put her in.
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>>4752393
She would agree knowing the kaladeosword would kill Ishtars ego while giving her the positive benefits of being Ishtar Rin.
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Also why send Curl back? She's already fighting on the level of a servant. Besides you don't need them to go back of your having Madea create a mystic code to buff them.
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>>4752403
We're not asking Medea to create a mystic code. Reinforcement should be pretty much an instantaneous cast. We're waiting for Chiyome anyway, why not use the time?
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>Her rank makes her capable of creating healing potions that grant limited immortality
Speaking of Medea, why did we ever want Assclap's stupid potions anyway?
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>>4752456
Assclaps makes actual True Immortality with Gorgon blood that Taoist dudes would end the world for.. I kinda want one desu.
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>>4752439
How long are the effects of it active for? Plus we have the hope buff that is all around better.

We also don't have to wait for the ninja Madea could teleport her or use a command seal. Time really isn't on our side and waiting is probably going to allow final boss tk be summoned.
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>>4752456
Aside from his immortality potion Assclaps can also ressurect dead people.
Assclaps is a match for us when it comes to healing.
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>>4752466
Sadly only works if there is an Underworld to hold the soul or if you are fast enough that the soul hasnt dispersed yet. Not a lot of time, but not instant iirc.
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>>4752463
You know, it's probably a good idea for you to have these discussions when plans are being made rather than an hour after the vote is called.
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>>4752469
Wasn't around when the discussion was going on admittedly.
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>>4752460
>>4752466
Gorgon blood is needed for the resurrection potion, right? WhatIs confirmed it wouldn't work properly on a normal modern normal human, as it needs a soul and souls get instantly eaten by the Root in modern times.

>>4752463
Should be active for as long as Medea can sustain it, which should be forever now that she's not doing anything strenuous. Hope buff is good, but both are better.

Medea just told us that the mental link wasn't working properly until we opened the Gates of Babylon to link our location with the mansion. I bet Orochi has set up Master-Servant link ECM around here. I don't want to have to rely on mentally contacting her and bringing her to us with the interference.
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>>4752466
>Assclaps is a match for us when it comes to healing.
Assclaps can't heal cut death lines.
He can probably bypass them somehow by rearranging the structure of the body, but you can straight up no-sell them.
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Here's your limited collab SSR bros
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>>4752475
Nice.
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>>4752475
Noice.
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>>4752475
Gonna be honest here, the previous black and red coloring suits him better
Nice though
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>>4752475
Cool.
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Reading through now I have questions. Why are you guys planning suicide via harem attempt? Is it meme voting?

You've known few of these women more then two weeks. If anything propose dating first and seeing if Sakura approves. Honestly if you guys wanted a harem outside Madea, Shuten, Sakura and Madea telling Sakura you loved her so.soon was a mistake. Should have allowed them to get to know each other first. We have already seen issues crop up because they haven't had the time to know eachother like the argument in the other city.
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>>4752475
neat
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>>4752478
And now onto the next question, if SHINJI is the hot new whalebait, which ParadoxReincarnator is going to be the welfare?
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>>4752475
Nice.

>>4752472
Main thing about gorgon potion is immortality, resurrection is a side effect iirc.
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>>4752480
I think black and red would suit the Counter Guardian version and that the blue and grey would suit his human look. Now that I think about it
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>>4752472
So how do you propose we get them there and back. Gil has to be getting pissed with ferrying people in and out of his gate.
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>>4752488
Yeah, it's the skin
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>>4752484
Uhhh....
Well, lets see
SSRs would include Sakura-Tiamat, SHINJI, Obeithion...
Kaleido-Ruby Rin, is probably the welfare.
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>>4752484
SHIKI not only is he the paradox reincarnator he is also not that strong aside from his immortality and blood swords.
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>>4752482
Part ensuring Enkidu was secured, part wanting to.
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>>4752491
Gate of Babylon is still open. We are currently Gil's second best friend, especially after what we did to Ishtar.

>>4752495
>SSR
>Obeithion
Holy shit
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I'd actually like to see where you'd put each Servant/Character not already in FGO on the scale of 5 star SSR to 1 star servants.

>>4752504
She's got a gamebreaking buff NP.
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>>4752488
Remember when you said Lugh was going to BTFO superchina Xianren? One of them, an exile, is Wuzhiqi, said to be the prototype of the story of Sun Wukong, from 9th Century BCE. Could be older because Proto Wukong. Tanks Rhongo+Dragon reactor. Reasonably certain they could eat 3 God fusion pseudo. You underestimated asian nasuwank. Am I underestimating Lugh and his Golden Werewolf bullshit?
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>>4752495
>Kaleido-Ruby Rin gets summoned
>Sees Ishtarin.
Who wins?
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>>4752495
>Sakura Tiamat.
Are gachadudes getting a Beast finally? Tiamat-Sakura summon in next Carnival?
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>>4752504
Orion style NP but AoE

Her skills would offer insane passive stargen, np gain up, omnibuffs for the party and huge self crit up and star absorb so she's both a party support and artscrit monster. Like a significantly better masked chink

She'd be able to pair with her caster variant
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>>4752508
Kiara and Kama are both summonable
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>>4752506
Tanking a Rhongo from Gray is like the world's least impressive thing, honestly.
It's like when in DBZ they use those ki barrage attacks and the big cloud of dust shows up before slowly dissipating to reveal that they are completely fine.

Lugh has gone on multiple adventures with Touko and remained undefeated through all of them, meaning he defeated the Kraken, fucked up an Elder Title Dead Apostle Ancestor, that sort of stuff.
He's like Arc's dog cousin.
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>>4752506
I cut it off too soon for some reason. Her(his? Its a male deity/xianren in a female clone body) gets sucked intob a spacehole by Ruyi Jingu Bang which due to being the Dragon Kings Ocean Stabilizing Pillar, is a Rhongo like Texture pinning tool. cause its cool and prob means Wukong is hiding a lot of power. Watch out for them.

>>4752512
Aren't they in Alter Ego class and not Beast Container?
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>>4752514
Yeah I was underestimating Lugh. Mountain hobo fisting him must have colored my impression, even tho its more like an autism thing than actual defeat.
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>>4752515
Nothing summonable in that container no, Kama is an Assassin but effectively class changes via Mara Papiyas into an anti-alter ego class which doesn't even exist in the standard class affinity matchups
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>>4752505
SHIKI is the Izou of the banner, 3* Assassin that may end up being surprisingly popular

Sacchin 4* with her RM as NP, Nightingale-esque with the inflicts severe Atk down and NP damage down on enemies
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>>4752516
Yeah, he got his autism triggered because he got his heart exploded before immediately regenerating from it.
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>>4752510
I have actually never played F/GO and I understood about half these terms, but what I understood is tl;dr Obeith OP. I was underestimating her.
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SHINJI is a 5* Saver that when summoned suddenly unlocks a busted Strengthening Quest for every single servant you have that requires him soloing some difficult CQ based on their internal world where wrong dialogue options actually dead end you before the fight itself
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>>4752522
Lugh is actually capable of doing that offensive suicide bomb thing as well, iirc.
So he's actually a complete nightmare to hurt if you're trying to put him down, in addition to being immune to all magecraft created in the AD calendar.
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>>4752516
>>4752522
It was basically a cascading blow to his psyche as he realized that if he could get hurt he could lose and if he could lose he could die, and he got hit by a human which is something he discounted as especially impossible until it happened.
All of this gave him a fetish for humans with disproportionate destructive potential.
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>>4752531
>disproportionate destructive potential.
>deleting Roa
>Sword of Truth

Uh oh
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>>4752534
He's also actively seeking 'the Greatest Mystery' in order to fight them.
Can you guess who that is?
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>>4752538
Which four guests Orochi is inviting over for dinner tonight?
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>>4752524
>busted Strengthening Quest for every single servant
We never did that for redman, did we? Or Medea.

>>4752538
Oh, fuck.
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>>4752545
Shinji would have actual free time in Chaldea and LB releases only happen once a year now. Dead game
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>>4752545
What would you even give Medea?
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>>4752538
I want to say its God since its a who. Who would be more mysterious?

It could be us, if some Clairvoyant set us up
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>>4752548
Another child. Her daughter + blessing is already a buff
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>>4752547
They're really trying to stretch it as much as they can, aren't they?
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>>4752548
Our love.
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>>4752545
>>4752548
>Or Medea.
We have actually never used our power on Medea, our most useful servant by far?
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>>4752552
Nasu came out in an interview and said Fate ends after the lostbelts before his wranglers put him back in the cage and made him renig
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>>4752548
Ear nibbles.
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>>4752545
Fucking give Medea her Goddess Core already, or an Authority bit like a demigod.

I know its supposed to be part of Rule Breaker but thats all Helios' blood combining with spirits amounted to?
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>>4752554
She is already perfect
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>>4752558
See >>4752559
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>>4752548
Dragon.
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>>4752555
Lmao.
I can't wait for the next FGO threat after the Lostbelts end.
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We usually give them their concepts when saving them from their evil sides/someone else's control.
Medea just let us be her master, so we didn't really get the chance.
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>>4752564
You know what has multiples of that require long story arcs to fight and may get a sneak peek?

Its ya bois, the TYPES!
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>>4752548
Our virginity. I'm sure it's important for a magus.
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You know what concept to install into Medea if we get the opportunity? Magic.
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>>4752564
He's gonna pull a Taro and make people delete their accounts for the golden ending

I clapped/10
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>>4752574
The types are merely a front for the true villain.
The company that built Lev's bomb.
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>>4752574
>Its ya bois, the TYPES!
Pretty sure they'll have to deal with ORT in LB7
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>>4752579
Apply the concept of Perfection

Come out of the trance

Find nothing has changed

Just for completionism's sake
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I do think we should buff Medea, she's the most useful.
People already said to give Redman Boundlessness, give her something fitting.
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>>4752588
>give her something fitting.
A wedding ring.
Along with Sakura, of course.
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>>4752578
Did she splooge all over our tatami mats?

Truly the evilest of witches
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>>4752582
Whoever they are, they're practically the only regular humans upholding the idea of science overtaking Mystery nowadays.
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>>4752582
Ah, those guys just like Tokiomi's unnamed "contacts" in Zero that somehow find and deliver the Original Shed Snakeskin to Tokiomi and dont bankrupt him or keep the fucking most ancient potential Mystery catalyst outside Avalon
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Biggest fight so far is coming right up and our first servant is sleeping through it

I hope she can at least be there for the Manaka encounter
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>>4752605
>our first servant is sleeping through it
It's so she can make a dramatic entrance and save the day with Kaiju Beaky.
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>>4752607
>Kaiju Beaky
One can only hope.
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>>4752605
Kinda funny isn't it
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>>4752633
fucked up if true
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>>4752633
Big if true
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>>4752633
small if false
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"OK, Jason, return to the Argo and summon the rest of your crew if you can, it will be better if somebody like Asclepius is around to tend to those that were cursed not so long ago. Of course, if he's confident in his abilities, he should have the ones that he manages to resuscitate follow him to this area, along with the rest of the Argonauts." With somebody like him focused on the recovery of your allies, you won't have to worry about them anymore.

"Alright, sounds like a plan, but... are you absolutely certain that you won't need me here?" Jason asks, very unexpectedly, seeing as the man himself should be taking any opportunity he can to flee this battle, as he's pretty dreadful in combat. Then again, seeing as the world will probably end if Orochi wins, it's not like there's actually anywhere can run away to. Even if he sailed away on the Argo, the results of whatever Orochi is doing will be felt worldwide, you can feel it.

"What's the problem, Jason? I thought you liked commanding from the back?" You ask the Lancer, who frowns a little. While he's a coward, he doesn't seem to like being thought of as a coward. What an odd personality that he has. There's definitely a hero in there somewhere. If only Jason had been blessed in life with the strength of Heracles or the invulnerability of Achilles.

"Well, that's... true, it feels kind of personal for me and this Snake Bastard. He did try to eat me, after summoning me, and that's not the sort of thing that you end up forgetting very quickly." Jason has an angry look on his face as he remembers the traumatic experience of being summoned by the god. You can't imagine that a Heroic Spirit would take it very well, to be summoned and then immediately dismissed as 'too weak'. So you can see just why Jason wants to prove Orochi wrong. "Well, I'm sure that it won't be too long until I can catch up with the rest of the Argonauts to assist you in killing the son of a bitch." You have a brief thought, if they end up following you and the cave collapses, then spiritual form should keep them safe. Well, that and the fact that a regular old cave-in shouldn't have the mystery required to actually damage spirits like Servants anyway.

With those parting comments, Jason leaves through the still manifested portal to Rin's house, and a few seconds after he goes through the portal, another person comes through the portal. Namely, Chiyome, who immediately kneels upon catching sight of you, and draws a bottle from a hidden pouch to present to you. "My lord, I successfully managed to rescue your ally from the clutches of the evil spirit goddess, I have taken a... liberty in sealing her instead of dispersing her, forgive me if I have misread your intentions and I shall immediately see to the complete destruction of this 'Ishtar'." Chiyome's loyalty is actually kind of excessive.
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>>4752633
True if big
(Also test to see if my internet is being fucky)
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"Woah woah, hold on there, Chiyome." You approach the girl very quickly, before you place a reassuring hand on her head. "I'm glad that you met with success, and I'm even happier that you managed to capture the goddess in such a way. With her captured in that bottle, Illyasviel will be able to properly have her vindication against the goddess for trying to steal her body... I've been thinking of perhaps forcing her into servitude, mostly, but I'm sure that there are other potential uses for her if I really think about it." You take the bottle from Chiyome's hands, and raise it to eye level. "Perhaps I should see about using her as a Mystic Code? Or perhaps a potion that uses the essence of a goddess? Or maybe I'll have her used as a component in a strengthening ritual? There's many ways to deal with a goddess like this one, however, for as long as she behaves as a maid, I don't think erasing her will be strictly neccessary... You understand me, don't you, Ishtar?" You feel the bottle shake. Good. She's aware in there. You would've hated for her to have been given an out of not being conscious through this humiliation. "Good, then you're going to love this!" You lob the bottle towards the King of Heroes. "Oi, Gilgamesh!" You call out to the man, and he quickly snatches the bottle out of the air.

"Ho? Is that really you in there, Ishtar?" Gilgamesh has a mad grin on his face as he speaks to the bottle. "It is, isn't it? I'd feel that disgusting divine aura of yours anywhere! But now for all that power you were born with, you can't even break out of a simple charmed bottle! Maybe you should go crying to your father to help you? Oh wait! You can't!" He begins laughing wildly as he lobs the bottle over his shoulder and a golden portal opens to catch it. You hope that it doesn't break... Then again, it's unlikely that treasures contained within the Gate are even capable of being damaged in such a way... You wonder if the bottle being placed in the Gate of Babylon means that from now on, every iteration of Gilgamesh is going to be summoned with the sealed Goddess...? Probably best not to think about that too hard, even though it's actually kind of hilarious. You really hope it worked out like that. Gilgamesh being able to bully Ishtar whenever he is summoned in the future is something that's simply too funny.
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There's a few more things you need to do as well, and they mostly revolve around your home base, thankfully, your connection to Medea still seems to be functioning, so whatever is blocking it is either incapable of doing so with the Gate of Babylon link to Rin's mansion, or it is only capable of blocking connections that originate from outside the forest. 'Medea? Can I get you to ask Aoko to come through the portal? I could use her help here, as I have no idea just what sort of threat I'm about to face. Oh! and I'm going to send SHIKI through to you for a moment, would you mind using reinforcement magic on him to increase his combat capabilities?'

'Of course, Master. Give me a few moments and send him through...' You stroll over to SHIKI quickly after being given the go-ahead by the powerful Caster. You were considering also asking Ciel to go to Medea in order to be reinforced, but that's not needed at all, the girl already has all the magical knowledge of Roa, who was himself a magus on the level of one from the Age of Gods, so self-reinforcement for her is actually very simple, and she won't hesitate to use it.

"Oi, SHIKI, I need you to return home for a few seconds, I'm going to have one of my allies make you more powerful temporarily, so you can be of more help in the coming battle." You tell the freshly made immortal to go and make himself actually useful for the coming fight. As he is now, he's pretty much just a punching bag for anybody with superior physical abilities.

"Alright." SHIKI doesn't say much at all as he quickly jogs through the portal. You can tell that Gilgamesh would normally not be all that pleased by having his Gate used for such a mundane purpose, but at this point, Gilgamesh is probably at around the happiest he has ever been. You doubt that there's anything that can knock him off of his current high at this point. Enkidu has come back to him and is now immortal, he's found a girl he fell in love with, and to top things off, the woman he hates the most has been put into a bottle.
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While you wait for SHIKI and Aoko to arrive through the portal, you move over to Obeithion. "I... probably should have introduced her a little earlier to everyone, but this is Obeithion! She's... what happened after I saved Manaka's version of Saber. It turns out she was some form of copy based on her spirit and her memories, though... an imperfect one." Obeithion looks down to the floor awkwardly, trying to avoid eye-contact with all these unfamiliar people. "After I used my abilities on her to imbue her with hope, she... became a Fairy. So I suppose that you could call her a Fairy Queen?" You then look over to Mordred. "I guess she's... something like your aunt, Mordred? Or maybe your sister? It really depends on how you want to go about it."

"An aunt or a sister...?" Mordred looks at Obeithion with a discerning eye. "Does it really matter? She's younger than I am, and she's related to me, so I'll treat her like my sister!" The king makes her declaration, before walking over and looking at Obeithion, the apparently shy fairy slowly raises her head to meet Mordred's gaze, before being given a friendly smile from the King. "Let's get along, OK?" She pulls the fairy into a slightly awkward hug. Huh, you weren't expecting Mordred to so quickly accept the existence of this new relative of hers, but you suppose it's for the best. Mordred seems to have learned from the mistakes that Arturia made, and seems pretty proactive about not allowing them to repeat. So when she sees an existence who is both a fairy and could be called her sister? It's pretty obvious that a good relationship needs to be formed.

"Oh...OK then... sister?" Obeithion really doesn't seem like she has much confidence with this many people around, which is strange, considering just how much hope and willpower she is able to infuse people with when she uses her Noble Phantasm. It's quite ironic that she seems to be so shy. Then again, she doesn't exactly have much life experience outside of a week of being a Servant to a psychopath and whatever she's got from Arturia's memories that were retained.

Mordred walks off with Obeithion somewhere in order to talk with her sister somewhat privately, and while she does, Enkidu finally finishes moving the last of the rubble from the entrance to Orochi's lair, at around the same time that SHIKI and Aoko are walking through the portal, the two of them chatting rather amicably with one another before stopping upon coming through the portal. Your allies are all together now, and everything seems to be in order. Is this it? Is it finally time for you to go and face Orochi?

>Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.
>No, you need to do one last thing (what?)
>Write-in...
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>>4752676
>Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.
There's nothing we can do now that's worth the delay.
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>>4752676
>Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.
Nothing else to do. Let's go kill grandpa.

And oh god, did we really just give every future instance of Gilgamesh Ishtar in a bottle? I'm laughing like a madman.
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>>4752676
>>Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.
Let's fucking go
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>>4752676
>Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.
Time to job.
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>>4752676
>>Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.


Are you gonna try and squeeze in another WhatIs?
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>>4752676
>Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.
Lets go!
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>>4752676
>Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.
LET'S FUCKING GO
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>>4752695
Of course.
Maybe two.
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>>4752676
>Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.
Everyone put on your war face!
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>>4752706
Based.
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>>4752676
>Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.

Finally time
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>>4752708
Ok.
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>>4752714
Is dude on the left Nagato?
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Should I call in ten minutes?
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>>4752723
Call now
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>>4752676
>Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.
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>>4752676
I hate it when I get the feeling we’re forgetting something. Maybe we should grab Betty after all. But we can just CS teleport her to us if it comes to that right...

> Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.
Enough lollygagging.
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>>4752723
This one is pretty unanimous, we've been planning for like the past two threads
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>>4752723
Just call. It's obvious.
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>>4752729
if we keep fingering our asshole he guaranteed gets off all 4 summons. we're well beyond the point of diminishing returns on time investment
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>>4752723
Call now
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>>4752732
Called.
Let's go then!
Hey, can somebody remind me of the capabilities of Command Spells and the man who created them real quick?
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>>4752738
So I guess it’s not a good idea to rely on those in his presence? Good thing our allies are naturally loyal to us at least.
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>>4752744
Haha, yeah.
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>>4752746
Aw fuck
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>>4752738
They are Curses that do shit. They are vast amounts of magical energy. They can make ether bodies do absurd shit or boost living beings ala Kirei or Kintoki.
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fastest vote in the quest

shame the fastest gun in the west isn't around to brain zolgen again after deadjew stick cucks his immortality somewhat
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>>4752750
But what's one very special thing that they can do?
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>>4752738
Well, it's not like we could ever go after him without bringing any servants with us.
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>>4752757
They can incarnate to life a Servant if youbuse up 3?
Otherwise I don't remember a unique thing compulsions or other Magic cant do
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>>4752676
>Yes, the time of Orochi's death has come.
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>>4752757
OBEY. SUFFER. OBEY. SUFFER.
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I guess he could try ordering Servants to suicide if its a very intrinsic use?
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>>4752762
Well what can we do about risk of spelljacking anyway? Incarnate all our Servants here and now?
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>>4752768
We have pretty much no counter to this and we never did, so I doubt it. I think he can just hijack them, which is also a problem.
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>>4752770
In that case we’d also have to incarnate the absent ones I guess if we don’t want Medea to relive Jason’s wedding day in new setting etc. although honestly I don’t think Medea would do that even if Commanded.
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Anyone have the full list of allies here at this very moment?

As far as I can see every servant here has A rank or better/equiv Magic Resistance
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>>4752792
It doesn’t matter, you can force magical energy into command seals to make it more powerful
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Oh and off topic but in Nigkita's NP chant she mentions Vastness, Freedom and Boundlessness, stack them together to form Endlessness

Which should imply Endlessness is the composite concept of the three in fate.

Might be worth considering for something

>>4752797
It's enough delay for Chiyome+Gil or Shinji to do something about it though
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>>4752770
Incarnation requires absurd amounts of power, like a Grail or bullshit like having Caliburn acknowledge a new King of Britain. We MIGHT be able to do it if we steal his philosopher's stone, but it'll be impossible without Para and extremely difficult anyway.

So, assuming he can hijack Servants in his presence:
Our Command Seals are screwy, and we are Truth. We might be fine. Regardless, Chiyome is impossibly loyal to us, and Command Seals are curses. She'll help us pull through.

Sakura might be able to dab on him with Nullification. Losing Medusa and Nobu will be devastating otherwise. And we were planning to give her Para.

Mordred is incarnated.

Enkidu has no gods, no masters.

Gilgamesh laughs at the pitiful god's attempt to control him.

Alcides is probably the one in the most danger of being controlled by yet another god today. He will SEETHE.

I don't think we have any more servants around after we sent Jason away.

Assuming he can hijack CSs in his presence, even if the Servant is elsewhere: Shuten, Medea and Morgan suddenly attacking is probably game over for the mansion.
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>>4752800
Also Enkidu since he can simply flee it now, but yeah we should warn Gil that Orochi might try something with command seals
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Also, this explains why he wasn't concerned with us stealing his Servants.
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>>4752757
Allow the Master who won the Grail War to betray the last Servant and force them to kill themselves, because you need souls of all 7 Heroic Spirits?
Haha....
That would suck.
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>>4752802
That's an easy mention for the ride down
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>>4752801
As CS are confirmed not a free action he'll have to order Alcides to do even the most mundane shit with a CS order every single time, Chiyome can fix that and as she's not attacking, just using PC and dispelling curses Alcides actually can't detect her properly
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>>4752812
Yeah. If I'm right, it'll be a big blow, but not a devastating one. At least if Sakura can resist him too.

If I'm right.
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>>4752800
Speaking of Majin Okita, how do we contact Alaya next time?
We were hoping to free Redman and Saber, maybe getting Okita too.
Do we have to wait for her to call us?
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>>4752814
Absolute metagaming without proper knowledge but we could have also had Medea RB Obeithion before all this as she doesn't need a master
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>>4752812
Yeah but he has eight heads tho
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Ah, crap. We gave Nobunaga to Rin. Sakura has Obeithion. This might be a problem.
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>>4752825
They both have IA, the risk is if they're without CS he just force contracts them anyway though
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>>4752823
>could have also had Medea RB Obeithion
Too late now. Medea is not here, and I'm not risking asking her to teleport here in the god-eater's cave.
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We would have had no chance at this without detouring away to pick up Gil and Enkidu though, what gives God?
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>>4752757

Can we use Truth to encrypt and obfuscate the link, in the way we strengthened it before?
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>>4752827
We don't really know what he can do. I'm assuming he can hijack existing contracts, but not auto-contract servants. And assuming Sakura's Nullification dabs on him but Rin's normal spell doesn't, we'll need to break Nobu's contract again, and under Orochi's gaze now.

He also may have a limit of seven at the same time, or he wouldn't have needed to eat the first batch in order to summon a second one.
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>>4752836
8 heads, 8 contracts
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>>4752838
Why didn't he keep Billy then?
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>>4752845
He's a mage, distain for modern plebs
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>>4752838
Wasn’t it 8 heads, 8 actions per turn?
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>>4752852
Either or, probably has parallel thought abilities and can both maintain ritual focus while fighting, but if we can get a Hydra potshot in that should cause a bit of internal screaming
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>>4752832
God told us to ignore Monica, Bazett and Cu. Not to drop absolutely everything and rush to Orochi. We would have been absolutely fucked without Chiyome too, and that was also a detour.

All part of the plan, I assume.

>>4752849
The wolf then?

But anyway, the point is that he might have a limit. Whether the limit is 7 or 8 is less important.
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>>4752858
Lobo is from almost the exact same time and place as Billy, he's very modern
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>>4752861
Huh. I'd say interesting, but I don't actually care about the wolf all that much.

Anyway, Orochi stealing some servants sounds like the perfect overnight autism cliffhanger.
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>>4752868
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobo_the_King_of_Currumpaw

Don't tell Enkidu that, doge had a hard life.
This'll be my last day I can 100% commit to autism too
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>>4752873
>spoiler.
Fuck. We're just about to fight Orochi man. How will we deal without you?
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>>4752877
I'll still be around just unlikely to have time to write up another manifesto on the answer to the snake question
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>>4752821
Wait for the next time Shinji goes to sleep
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>in addition, this skill provides Nobunaga with massive resistances to any attacks or abilities that are divine in nature. Even something like a smiting bolt of lightning from a God like Zeus using a large amount of his power would have little effect on her
Nobu will probably be fine. Good thing we asked her to choose herself. Invisible volley would be a nightmare otherwise.
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>>4752882
I hope you'll be able to contribute ideas, even if not a full manifesto.
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>>4752887
>Sentiments for the Beyond: A+
An Anti-Mental Interference skill that allows Medusiana to overcome anything that might try to take control of her by recalling the four people that she cares for the most. So long as Medusiana doesn't forget their faces, she won't ever let herself fall. Also functions as a skill that causes Medusiana to do added damage against both Monsters and Men... with the exception of one man.

I posted this before but Obeithion is the only one to worry about.

So in this conversation we have with Gil about CS interference theorise she may be vulnerable and he may have a solution
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>>4752892
I don't think we'll have time for a conversation. WhatIs gave us the idea, so I assume whatever happens happens next update.
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>>4752895
We did tell him to protect her, he'll figure it out
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>>4752897
I don't think we actually did, but he should figure something out regardless.

Shit, I feel bad we missed this. We knew Zolgen has mastery over the seals. We knew he wasn't worried about us stealing his servants. We had enough pieces to figure it out. I can't believe we weren't paranoid enough.
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>>4752898
Too many things to micromanage
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Alcides could have been RB'd and operated off Oblivion Correction hypothetically, and Morgan could have given him A rank Independent action however she was incapacitated at the time.
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You actually missed something else.
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>>4752920
But then he could use near none of his Orders without master support. Bazdiliot was feeding Alcides literal truckloads of human crystals to operate in FSF. I'm not using a figure of speech either, trucks full of crystallised mana made from tens of thousands of lives taken by the mob to be burnt as magical fuel
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>>4752926
...fuck
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>>4752926
Update coming along?
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Is it the suicide thing? Because I can't think of any way to save them if it's the suicide thing.
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>>4752937
Alcides has a resurrection banked, soul does not leave instantly and Dr. Assclap is on the scene soon
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But despair s good for feeding RM kino moments so nothing lost, nothing gained
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>>4752926
CMON MAN WHAT? Is it his other servants that he can command seal in?
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Do you remember that bracelet Gilgamesh gave you?
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>>4752950
Now we do, yes.
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>>4752949
We talked of that before iirc

>>4752950
chekov's bracelet?
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Yes. The time of Orochi's death has come. You've spent enough time planning now, and you just want to rid this world of the god already. You've wanted to kill Zouken for about ten years now, and if you have to kill a god in order to finish the job, then so bet it. "Everyone! This is it! Let's go!" You look at the form of Lugh, a relatively large golden wolf wearing a bridle and reins. He looks kind of silly like that, honestly, but you don't let him know that you think that. He probably already feel awkward enough about being made to wear something that was so obviously designed for a horse in the first place anyway. You take Sakura's hand as you leap atop the golden wolf.

The rest of your allies follow your lead as you lead the charge, though Ciel has become completely invisible as a result of the Shroud of Matthias. While your other allies might be able to currently see where she is, you can only really hope that she's keeping up with the rapid pace being set by the group. Aoko and SHIKI are keeping up thanks to magical reinforcement, and Nobunaga is surfing atop a single floating musket, easily matching pace with you and Lugh. Gilgamesh is sitting in some sort of golden floating chair, not the Vimana, but a smaller floating vehicle. Everyone is keeping pace with the charge, even though you're not nearly pushing Lugh to his limit.

The cave itself has been carved out of solid rock, and seems to spiral downwards in a sort of helix shape. You travel downwards for about 3 minutes, and you begin to wonder just how deep this tunnel actually goes. Nobunaga mentioned a number around three kilometers deep, so you should be approaching the bottom of this spiral now.

Then, Lugh comes to an abrupt stop, and you look to see why. "It... just ends?" You are left completely dumbfounded by the lack of any "Nobunaga, what's going on here?"

"I... I have no idea! The tunnel should open out into a chamber here! I... I swear!" The Demon King is left completely off guard by the sudden development.

"No, you're right. There is something wrong with all this." Enkidu quickly makes an observation and places a hand on the bare rock surface. "No... There's definitely something here, it's just-" You don't get to hear Enkidu finish his observation.

Enkidu disappears. Or rather, everything around you disappears. Where before you were sitting atop Lugh with Sakura holding onto you tightly from behind, you're now sitting on a cold stone floor. Spatial Transportation Magic?! Damn it! Why weren't you wearing the bracelet Gilgamesh gave you?! You feel like a fool as you look around you to gauge your surroundings.
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>Unnamed Noble Phantasm : C-rank (C+++ rank) Anti-Spatial Interference Noble Phantasm
A Noble Phantasm given to you by Gilgamesh, when activated through the use of spacial interference magic on the wielder, anything from teleportation to attempting to drag the wearer to a world outside of Gaia, it will activate and cover an area with a radius of a kilometer with a bounded field preventing the usage of any any all forms of spatial interference.
In addition, this Noble Phantasm is part of a set of two, the power of the bounded field is considerably increased when both are worn by two separate people. The only exceptions to the bounded field's ability to deny spatial interference are the wearers of this Noble Phantasm. When the two are together, even True Magic should be blocked.

So he's going to drag this fight into the soul of the planet or something retarded?
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"Oh, so you're the one I'm supposed to eat, are you? I was wondering why my Master called me back, but I suppose I can't complain too much about getting fed." A woman with a spear and a large reptilian tail comes into view, and she's getting closer and closer to you! Wait a minute! This is... Vrita! You don't remember much about her, but what you do remember is that this woman is exceptionally dangerous, and you don't have a Servant to help you against her! "Don't try to run, you're completely trapped down here, so you may as well submit to your fate."

[Status Updated!]

>Attempt to talk to Vrita and use diplomacy to get her on side. (Say what?)
>Reinforce yourself, prepare to defend yourself!
>Form a barrier of truth around yourself, and then try diplomacy. (Say what?)
>Use a Command Spell, summon a Servant to you! (Who?)
>Write-in...
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>You feel like a fool
You got that right...
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Vrita should simp to

>Blessing of the Queen of Dragons: A++
>A skill representing an incredibly close relationship to a great dragon on the level of myth. Allows for the riding of all dragons so long as the level of the Riding skill is high enough. Weaker willed dragons and wyverns will feel the urge to defend and obey the owner of this skill. Additionally, any attacks made against dragons or those who have slain or enslaved a dragon in their past will have the attack's rank raise by one level and bypass any forms of magical protection. If one has enough magical knowledge, summoning Dragons from the Reverse Side of the World becomes possible.

A bit

Vrita is a conceptual obstacle too. How fitting
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>>4752965
You forgot that Command Spells are capable of Teleportation, and Orochi has access to a gigantic Philosopher's Stone.
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>>4752971
No, we knew that. We were just assuming he'd drag his last five servants in for the final confrontation. We weren't expecting to hijack us.
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well she's a dragon and divine, weird that Orochi didn't eat her, also

>Fated Enemy of God (A Rank): Although Vritra is told in various ways by folklore, its role has not changed. Skills that show the existence that is fundamentally in opposition to God, its invariant position and significance of existence.
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>>4752979
Vrita is a demon/dragon/snake
Not a god.
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I think we have to fight, she'll always come back when defeated by one of God, it's her nature.

Dragonblessing gives us bonus damage.

However Vrita is susceptible to being conned into offering a weakness that doesn't seem like a weakness.

Indra promised a load of restrictions on himself in his fight, which Vrita obliged, then he went and pulled an absolute asspull weapon on her to catch her offguard.
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God-fucking-dammit, I hope we don't lose anyone for forgetting that stupid bracelet.
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I think we should speech check it, our blessing probably makes it so she kinda wants to hear us out and the fact that she hates Gods but serves Orochi? That contradiction has to eat her up, especially since we don't care for Gods either
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>>4752986
She is supposedly an enemy of gods too. Can't we talk-no-jutsu her? Maybe WITH the truth bubble?
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>Indra battled the dragon Vritra, but Indra had sworn an oath to Vritra to not hurt it with weapons made of wood, stone, metal, or any other conceivable weapon, to not hurt it with any object dry or wet, and to neither attack it during the day or night. Indra attacked at twilight, neither day or night, and used a column of sea foam, not wood, stone, metal, dry, or wet, to defeat the dragon.

Definitely opening with a diplomacy that likely leads to combat that leaves her exposed so something she won't expect, we only need 10 seconds of contact
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I actually hate riddles so someone chime in on what conditions we're offering her that we can use Truth to absolutely meme and catch her offguard
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>>4752994
What do we gain out of offering her conditions, exactly?
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She's also an absolute glutton which is something we can offer
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>>4752994
well she hates the Gods yet she's serving one, she's also sent to kill a lowly mortal because her master is apparently too cowardly to deal with one himself, he also absolutely doesn't care about her whatsoever and is just using her as a means to an end
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>>4752996
A chance to 10 second fondle her to break her contract?
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Now, what did Orochi just do exactly? Did he teleport just us? Every Master? Or everyone?

If it's just us, we'll be fine. We can talk Vritra around. The others will be fine until we meet up again.
If it's all Masters. Mordred is probably dueling Siegfried and Vortigern about now. I don't want to think about what he might have prepared for Sakura.
If it's everyone, well, fuck. It's the attack on the temple all over again.

>>4753002
Yeah, but from what I'm seeing she's not actually offering anything back for those restrictions. And we have to convince her to turn on Orochi too, or she eats us regardless.
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>>4753009
Who would she rather eat? a simple human or a snake god?

Pet scaley tail
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>>4753009
Have faith in gilgamesh anon he won't job while we're gone hopefully....
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We also have lots of pretty girls for Vrita to oggle as something to throw into the bargain

>It is a mystery why she was summoned in the body of a female.

>She might either be imitating Rambha, because of the anecdote where she was sent to him and he became a prisoner of her beauty and died according to Indra's scheme, or perhaps she became a beautiful woman to show off her determination to "never fall for Indra's cowardly tricks again".

>Fundamentally, Vritra is an existence that transcends gender, and since their true nature won't change regardless of their gender, they merely possess a disposition as a female that would match with their current form as the Servant Vritra.
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>○Fated Divine Enemy: A
>Although Vritra has been spoken of in various forms in legends, her role has always remained the same.
>A skill that demonstrates her eternal position and raison d'être as an existence opposing the gods.
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Ok so I think this is what we should do, our speechcraft is better around Dragons so I think that's the way to go

>Why are you serving the God Orochi? I was under the impression that you hated Gods?
>Your divine master was too cowardly to deal with a lowly mortal that's going against him
>Why not take this chance to rebel against the Gods once again?
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>>4752984
Well, she's technically a divine spirit, but Orochi doesn't want to take on the nature of a demon.
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>>4753015
We don't really have to offer conditions for a fight, just convince her.

Looking at her F:GO dialogue for relevant plays:

>I'm Vritra. Seriously, what does a human want this snake to do…? I'm a demon who only moves of their own desire. You better not think you can tame me.
>Gluttony. Lots, and lots, and lots of gluttony.
>Are snakes dragons…? Even if you ask me I don't know. Humans just started to use those words as they pleased.
>You know, I… Truth is, I like singing and dancing, the pleasant performances of humans. There is someone here who excels at those, isn't there? Alright, bring them to me.
>Something I don't like. Uuuum. I can't drink booze. It makes me sleepy before long.

So, she's anti-god, anti-taming, a glutton, an admirer of singing and dancing and other human performances. We can work with this. We can offer her a life of luxury and the world's best delicacies and entertainment, as well as the chance to spit at the god who tried to tame her if only she'll help us.
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>>4753025
This plan is all coming together
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>『O Demons, Cover the Heavens and the Land in Their Entirety』
>Rank: EX
>Classification: Anti-World Noble Phantasm
>Range: 9~99
>Maximum number of targets: 1000

>Asura Sreshtra.
>A Noble Phantasm crowned with Vritra's other name: "the greatest among the Asuras".
Using her retainers, or more like, the army of demons who are offshoots of her body itself, - in accordance with her raison d'être - she wraps up the heavens and the land, isolating the targets.

>Vritra is not only an evil dragon but is also known as an Asura (a demonic race), possessing the name Asurendra (king of the Asura). Since in the Mahabharata, there exists a description of Indra and the gods tormented by a large army made up of demons such as Kalakeyas and Rakshasas, it not only possesses the authority to "hold back something", but can also be used by her as an army of pure violence.

So we're greeting her as Vrita, the greatest king of Asuras

We're also asking why she serves a God, her fated enemy, and that we can remove his shackles from her if she desires.

Ask her why she'd prefer to eat a mere human when we can offer her the god who enslaved hers heads on a plate instead.

And we're also potentially mentioning how many beautiful women we have with us her to oggle, how much wealth and offerings we can bestow upon her.
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All goes well this archived thread will be titled something along the lines of in which Shinji bribes off a glutinous lesbian snake girl with a life surrounded by women and food.
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You may or may not have 30 minutes to decide.
I'm feeling a little bit tired.
Gonna drink some coffee.
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>>4753046
Ok what's the plan then? Bribe the snake lesbian with food and women right after we question why she's serving a divine master that doesn't give a shit about her?
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It says she likes seeing humans rise up to beat her, she likes playing the villain.
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>>4752961
>Why is the Greatest king of Asuras serving a simple eastern god all of a sudden, Vrita?

>Are gods not your fated enemy? How could you be reduced to this?

>Rather than eat me, a mere human, allow me to break the shackles this god holds over you with my magecraft, and I will hand you his heads on a plate.

>If this is not appetising enough, I can add that I am one of the wealthiest men of this age, and can offer you no limit to the food and pleasures, especially beautiful women that are available in this modern era.

>Or would you instead continue to serve your supposed fated enemy?
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>>4753071
>>4752961
Sounds good, support
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>>4753071
Supporting the man of black
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Vrita finds Karna fascinating too, as Indra stole his armour yet he holds him no ill will.
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>What she enjoys the most is watching the growth humans undergo after overcoming the hardships and obstacles that she prepared.
>It is by no means due to affection; you can clearly feel the pleasure gained from her one-sided perspective (which is surely that of a god) of looking down on them from far above.
>That's why she doesn't go easy on them. She has no restraint.
>She prepares obstacles that could even be seen as absolute evil, but it's not like she's wishing for humanity's destruction.
>She simply wishes to see a stronger future, a stronger world, a stronger humanity.
>In short, she's extremely sadistic towards the world.
>To put it another way, she is an overly strict trainer and audience of the world.
>It means she believes in the strength of mankind as "someone from the side of evil".

She wants humans to overcome her, to triumph over evil and grow stronger.
Not sure that "mere humans" will work well on her.
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>>4753071
Support
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Shit this gives Orochi even more time
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Let's all just pretend that Vrita was added prior to Christmas 2020 for the sake of my sanity.
Haha.
Oops
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>>4753091
I wasn't gonna tell if you wouldn't.

Otherwise this is situation is just dead end after dead end

Also Indra's Vajra that's lodged in her mouth has very interesting options as a catalyst

>>4753087
That's why we don't ask her for anything but to let us pass and confront the threat ahead of us.
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>>4753091
Something something timelines of an alternate Real World
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>>4753093
Maybe we fuck up and summon based Indrajit
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She's also have neat dialogue with Medusa.

I wonder if its worth amending the autism to include singing and dancing as modern pleasures
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>>4753099
Damn we're gonna lose Medusa to the demon snake
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We could always offer a restriction to the fight that will trick her into giving us ten seconds.
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Does anyone have additions/fixes for the write in?

I kind of wanna get it sorted in case WhatIs has one more update in store for us today
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>>4752961
>Greed her as Vritra, greatest king of Asuras
>Ask her why she serves the arrogant godling who dared try to tame her.
>Tell her we can break the shackles that bind her, and hand her his heads on a plate
>Tell her we are one of the wealthiest men of this age, and can offer her no limit of the world's finest food and beautiful women, singing and dancing and all pleasures of this modern era.
>All she has to do is let us pass, and prove the strength of humanity against he who wishes for humanity's destruction.

Rewording the Nigger's proposal a bit to include the latest information
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>>4753105
actively fighting her headon is basically impossible, even if she holds back. 10 seconds is a long time against a servant

We're fighting against Orochi, she can watch, we're asking nothing of her other than to remove her collar
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This will probably end in a fight since she wants a human to beat her. My guess is Orochi told her about Shinji to get her on board with this.
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>>4753111
And of course I meant "Greet her". Not deleting for this.
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>>4752961
switching >>4753071
to
>>4753111
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>>4752961
>>4753111
Going with this.
She is fine with getting killed, she likes seeing humans suceed over evil, even if that evil is her. She's kinda like an actress playing the villain in a sense.
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where did all the voot and activity go from earlier?
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>>4752961
>>4753111
This
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>>4752961
>>4753111
Support
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>>4752961
>>4753111
support
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Hope this suceeds, so we can have the night to think over how to fix this mess.
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>>4753111
>>4752961
+1
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>>4752961
Yeah I’ll support >>4753111
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>>4753128
It's a really a problem that stems from us relying on teleportation so much when the chekovs bracelet that would have prevented this interfered with our main form of transportation through the story so far so it was buried from everyones memory.

I don't think anyone could have expect a command spell could be used to teleport an unwilling human though, but it's hind sight possible because this is Zolgen high on snakewine
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>>4753128
Damn that bracelet for being such an anti-combo with Medea. We would never take it off otherwise.

So, how do we deal with this mess? Obviously put on the bracelet as soon as we get Vritra on board, before Orochi realizes she didn't eat us. But how do we get out of here? How do we find everyone else? And how do we do it fast, before he gets all his elementals/angels/whatever.
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>>4753136
Use Truth to trace our connection to Chiyome and try and do exactly what Zolgen did to us to teleport us to her?
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>>4753135
>it's hind sight possible
Honestly, I never would have expected him to be able to teleport a Master.
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>>4753138
Never expected definitely, but justifiable with mental gymnastics after the fact is what I'm saying
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>>4753137
Can we really do that? We never studied grandpa's books on command seals, and I'm not sure Truth will be able to hack teleportation like that.
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>>4753143
Then I guess we have to ask Vrita where we are. if he wants good overnight autism he needs to give us options that go somewhere
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>>4753144
True.

Wait, Tamamo's stickers. They should still work. We can contact the others. Shame we didn't give Gil and Enkidu one.
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>>4753147
Enkidu cannot be CS'd anywhere or to do anything. He also has PD which means he'd be probably trying ti follow after someone.

We can't base a plan here on getting into a fight with Vrita that would be unwinnable expecting Enkidu to miraculously save us or something though
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So vote called?
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>>4753155
WhatIs is busy injecting caffeine into his eyes
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>>4753154
Err, no, that's not what I'm getting at. We need to regroup if Orochi teleported everyone around. And the first step to that is finding out where everyone is and what's going on over there.

Enkidu and Gil are ideally placed to unite the group without our input, actually. Maybe they're about to prove we were right to grind those Gil affection points?

>>4753156
Hopefuly enough to not pass out before the next update. This is insufficient basis for autism.
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>>4753160
QM said Gil has us on "potential friend" list right before we told him about Ishtar, I think after we told him about Ishtar and our plans to teach her some humility, he considers us a friend
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Also WhatIs if you want an in story reason to fix the autism around Vrita's release date you could imagine Shinji has that Snakecharmer skill by this point which seems to only help him against female serpent like beings and grants insight into their nature to allow him to open up a dialogue akin to Proof of Friendship. It has no bearing on Orochi then either due to the gender restriction, and is redundant against Quetz as we already have her info.
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>>4753135
It's the classic -tele conundrum found in Roguelikes.
Teleportation is an amazing utility we often make use of, so by default we don't wear our bracelet, which means that any enemy teleportation attempt will succeed unless we predict it beforehand.
Considering who we're fighting going forward, we should keep it on until we need to teleport rather than try to put it on right before an enemy tries to drag us.
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Scenarios:
Best case scenario: Orochi grabbed just us. This is just a small detour. Everything is fine.
Worse scenario: Orochi grabbed all Masters. Mordred is dueling Vortigern and Siegfried. Ciel may have escaped notice due to the shroud. I am very, very afraid for Sakura.
Worst Case scenario: Orochi grabbed everyone with a CS, Masters and Servants. Enkidu, Aoko, Lugh and SHIKI are the only ones left at the tunnel for sure, perhaps with Gilgamesh as well. Smart play for him is to put us all into separate airtight rooms with no way out, each of them dozens or hundreds of meters away from each other. Servants will be fine, reuniting will be a nightmare. I'm really, really afraid for Sakura.

Conclusion: I can see very little we can do to get back by ourselves. We're counting on Enkidu to find everyone and Gilgamesh to get them.

Did I mention I'm really, really afraid for Sakura? I'm dreading the possibility of a Deen F/SN hostage situation.
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>>4753179
I reckon you could go to the last 2k post thread, ctrl +f bracelet and get 0 results
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>>4753176
Screw it, we'll go with that. It's an unlisted personal skill that reveals the true name and personality of any woman with a snake attribute.
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>>4753178
Problem is, our ass has been saved many times by a timely teleport. The bracelet is inconvenient. We should have definitely put it on the moment we sent Medea away, but I see a policy of always having it on biting our ass in the future.
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>>4753184
how is your beanwater treating you?

do you think another update is possible?
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>>4753187
If it wasn't Gil's property we could have modified it with Truth with the concept of "Consent" or something
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Wait when is the cut off date for Shinji’s meta knowledge? December 2020? Then Shirou has Kusanagi no Tsurugi in stock
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>>4753184
Shinji really has a thing for snakes.
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>>4753183
Certainly, yeah. Probably the last 5 threads put together wouldn't have many more than 0 mentions. None of us predicted or planned for something similar. Why is it relevant though?
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>>4753187
I think facing danger that a teleport could have helped us avoid is a better choice than getting pulled into a killroom or gbj.
Getting teledragged like this can cripple our forces.
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>>4753192
He doesn't no, it's ment to be July 2020ish, right before Ibuki.

Nightingale Santa, Gogh, Himiko are all unknowns so far.
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>>4753194
It's just more we shouldn't worry about what can't be undone, just keep moving forward. We legitimately wouldn't have thought to use it for reasons stated
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>>4753188
Yes.
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Really, I had no idea Zolgen could use command seals on Masters like this.
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>>4753196
oops my bad, that was a rerun of nightingale.

Santa Karna and LB 5.5 is all unknown though including the true extent of Douman's abilities. and technically knowledge that none needs to love mankind to become a beast
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>>4753202
I was genuinely expecting him to hijack servants, had no idea he could do this with masters
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>>4753200
Yeah, no arguments here. Just trying to figure out how screwed are we, and maybe how to get unscrewed.

>>4753195
Telekillrooms are raid-only features so far though. Teleportation saving our ass is almost every fight but those.
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>>4753203
>technically knowledge that none needs to love mankind to become a beast
Wait what? No it's required for Beast to love humanity, that's why Douma fucked up and couldn't he a Beast, he didn't love humanity
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>>4753210
Shinji never played LB 5.5 which was when that info came out
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>>4753202
>>4753205
He didn't use a command spell on you, it's just that he created the original command spells, which are capable of the magic of teleportation, so it stands to reason that with his control over the Philosopher's Stone quantum hypercomputer, he can effectively use that magic at will.
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>>4753210
Probably the typo of none instead of one actually

>>4753213
That's also big brain and needs less mental gymnastics about CS mechanics
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>>4753208
This is a raid-only war now.
All the upcoming fighting is in Orochi and Manaka's respective fuckboxes.
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>>4753213
So he teleported everyone around? Fuck, it's even worse than my worst case scenario.
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>>4753218
Gil has the other bracelet on you'd think, he'll berate us for not using the treasure he lent us
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>>4753218
So its more likely just some, he would have targeted Shinji first for reasons relating to seethe and cope, then maybe flung away a few others before accidentally tripping on Gil
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>>4753217
We still have Monica, Bazett and Cu to deal with. Other surprises probably. And I'd like to think we wouldn't have forgotten the bracelet when storming the temple after our last debacle there.
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>>4753220
Bracelet says it blocks tp for a kilometer around. Gil doesn't have his on either.
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>>4753222
That's just cleanup, the point is we're going to get jerked around for the remainder of this war if we don't wear it, because both of our enemies can teleport us.
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>>4753223
>A Noble Phantasm given to you by Gilgamesh, when activated through the use of spacial interference magic on the wielder

>on the wielder
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>>4753223
Only activates when the magic is actually used on the wearer.
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>>4753223
That's only if we both wear it.
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>>4753227
speedmogged again
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"Perhaps it would be pointless of me to attempt an escape, but... how about a dialogue instead? There's no way for me to flee from you, and this isn't a battle you can lose, right? So why not entertain yourself with some conversation instead? I for one think it a great honor to be able to speak with Vritra, the greatest king of the Asura." You use as much of your charisma in your voice as you are able, trying to use that as your weapon in this exchange. Had she wished it, Vritra could've killed you immediately, so it's clear that something other than hunger or bloodlust is driving her.

"Hoh, you're attempting to flatter me, human?" The blonde haired dragon stops in her tracks. "Well, if you want to speak with me for some time before I devour you, then I won't rush things along. It's impressive that you managed to discern my identity from just a glance, this current form of mine was unlike that which I took in life. But you saw through it anyway, I see why Orochi feared your power." The blonde woman carelessly reveals.

"I'm actually attempting to figure out just this one question." This has a chance of going either really well, or really really poorly. "That Japanese godling, did he really successfully tame you? Why on Earth would a dragon as great as you want to serve a worm like Orochi? Aren't you a greater dragon of disaster than he?" You attempt to appeal to the ego of the dragon.

"Ha! Control me? I follow his requests because that's what I feel like doing! If he were to turn those Command Spells of his against me, I'd kill him myself." Awfully confident, but unfortunately for Vritra, she doesn't actually seem to be anywhere near as powerful as Orochi is. It must have something to do with her manifestation as a Servant, her current body might be tremendously powerful, but as a Beast, even a false Beast, Orochi is quite a bit more powerful. So despite her bravado, Vritra is very much a slave to the Beast, even if she won't accept that she is one herself.

"Really? Then if you found a reason not to eat me right now... you wouldn't?" Still, with her ego being something you can very much use to your advantage, you decide to do so. Using a Command Spell right here would be suicide, Chiyome would be the only one of your Servants that could actually provide assistance against somebody like Vritra so deep into Orochi's lair, and for as much faith as you have in the ninja girl... you kind of doubt that any battle against somebody like Vritra will end up favorably for her.
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"It'll have to be an awfully good reason, after I spent so long chasing after that white robed magician and he disappeared into thin air when I finally got close, I'm in an especially bad mood." The woman crosses her arms as she takes another step closer to you. "Let's turn this into a game, shall we? If you can convince me before I finish walking over to you, then I'll let you go, but if not...!" The woman gives you a savage grin. "Well I think you know what." At her current distance, you only have about six paces before she closes the distance totally.

"Well them, first things first, I can use my magecraft to crush the shackles binding you to Yamata-no-Orochi. Ten seconds of contact is all I'll need to free you from the indignation of being forced to even have to refer to yourself as his 'Servant'. I can free you from having to be under the control of such an inferior god!"

"More tempting, but..." She takes a step forwards, leaving you with only five paces. "Not quite tempting enough, I know you can break my contract, Orochi knows too. But what would that leave me with? An overtaxed human magus who is a a thousand meters away from the rest of his allies? You may as well just be offering to kill me." Vritra shrugs. "What else have you got?"

"Well, are you aware that I'm one of the wealthiest men on the planet? I can offer you the finest food this world has, all the beautiful women singing and dancing you could wish for, and whatever pleasures from the modern era may take your fancy. Doesn't that sound more interesting than being made to chase a slimy incubus magus around a forest?"

Another step. "Well, I suppose that does sound nice, but a life of decadence alone can't satisfy me, without conflict, I'd be awfully bored. I want to see humans struggle to succeed and overcome the obstacles placed in front of them! While I would certainly enjoy such gifts, I wouldn't gain more than a surface level of satisfaction without something to entertain me beyond that!

"Then let me pass. Let me go and face off against the Beast who would wish for humanity's destruction. You wish to see the struggle of a human? Then allow me to show you just how powerful we can be. For I... I am the most powerful living human on this planet." That's only somewhat true, but in terms of what your magic is capable of doing, it's pretty much definitely true. "If you aid me here, then I promise you that you'll not just be able to see humanity struggle against an obstacle, but you'll be able to see the greatest of humanity struggle against the greatest obstacle!" You yell at the dragon woman. Who is smiling at you now. A wide and dangerous smile, but a smile nonetheless.
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Vritra stops in her tracks, before she starts to laugh. "Very good! Very good! You're much too amusing for me to just eat!" The mood of the room seems to change in that exact moment, as the woman on almost a switch decides that she doesn't want to eat you anymore. "Of course, you'd best decide what you want to do now. I'm not actively going to pursue you, but at any moment Orochi may try to force me into following along with those Command Spells of his. We came to an agreement that he wouldn't attempt to use them on me, but we also came to an agreement that I'd eat you without listening to a word you said to me." The dragon has a defiant smirk on her face. Looks like she was never planning to follow the orders of her Master in the first place. "Of course, It would be preferable for me to be without a Master than it would be for me to continue with the threat of those commands of his being wielded against me. So... I give you permission to break my contract."

>Just break Vritra's contract like she wants.
>Apply a concept to Vritra instead.
>>Loyalty
>>Obedience
>>Compassion
>>Love
>>Humanity
>Write-in...
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I wanna drop loyalty on her but then it would be the Nobu debate again. So I guess release her and ask would likely be the winning vote.
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>>4753251
>Ask
Are you absolutely certain that would be a good idea.
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>>4753251
We're on a timer and she barely accepted us, i think we need to figure it out ourselves
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I also decided to clumsily do a color edit on this, so I guess you could call this his Stage 1
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Good thing the "humans overcoming obstacles" angle worked.
Thanks Sakurautist for adding it.
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I do think we should try to make her a tad nicer. She already roots for humans to succeed, but its a cruel and selfish desire.
I believe compassion would be best. Love would end poorly, like giving her Stheno and Eryale's attraction effect.
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>>4753248
>>Just break Vritra's contract like she wants.
Felt tempted to go for compassion but I’d rather not buff her with a concept
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>>4753248
>Apply a concept to Vritra instead.
>Compassion
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>>4753248
>Apply a concept to Vritra instead.
>Compassion
Last post for the night I assume.
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>>4753260
Yeah, she would get mad if we add something that goes too agaisnt what she is.
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>>4753256
I also made this from it, which is sort of based off of Shinji's fancy coat.
>>4753269
Yes.
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>>4753273
looks like Gil's coat
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>>4753275
He is our bestie now after all.
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>>4753248
Apply a concept to Vritra instead.
>Compassion
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>>4753248
>Just break Vritra's contract like she wants.
That's what she asked us to do. We're on a time limit. We're not asking for her help against Orochi, this is not a Nobu power up situation. And applying a concept just to make her nicer is brainwashing. We shouldn't start using our powers like that.

>>4753258
Thank you fren. And thanks to the anon who brought it up in the first place. The best write ins are always a combined effort.
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>>4753283
...that was me. Hence why I was thanking you.
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>>4753283
>And applying a concept just to make her nicer is brainwashing
Well technically, she can't actually feel true compassion. So it's more giving her something she didn't have, if you go for that.
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>>4753284
Well, then double thank you my fren.

Would have posted a happy Sakura if I wasn't so worried about her
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>>4753288
interesting
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>>4753248
>>Apply a concept to Vritra instead.
>>>Compassion
Now i feel like giving her something she lacks
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>>4753289
It's fine.
Also, she was gonna eat us man. I don't really feel to bad about it.
Also, you know.>>4753288
I think compassion would really be actually a nice gesture in that case. Might also buff her, and that's always nice.
Have a Sakura.
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>>4753288
Looks like compassion is the right concept to apply if we do apply one. Not gonna argue against it if that's what other anons go for. But I don't see her situation as too different from Shuten's and so I won't change my vote.
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>>4753248
>>4753263
I feel like this gives her the chance to be pissed off at us but I guess people don't wish to use loaylty. Does she choose who she is loyal to based on her own notions or just default to Shinji?
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>>4753295
its extremely funny how he just got away with it and got everything that he wanted
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>>4753298
We should have done this to Shuten too. She's too self destructive and viotent and requires Shinji's time to reign her in. Even if we weren't in a relationship with her that would be a lot of time distracting her.
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>>4753305
Don't think he got away with it because Zouken is alive. I'm pretty sure as soon as he had the money to he ran as fast as he can.
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>>4753305
Only in UBW.
In the other 2 he dies. In Fate quite horribly too.
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>>4753312
anime implies he got Gil to kill wormpa
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>>4753295
And thank you again fren. I hope she's fine.

A kilometer away away from everyone is slight evidence that Orochi did not teleport everyone into separate killrooms, but it's stil very likely that he did. I hope Enkidu finds us soon.

God, what do we even do if we bust into the ritual chamber and Orochi has Sakura in his claws?

>>4753305
I find it sad actually. Sakura's future is depressing in all routes but HF.

>>4753307
Once you start brainwashing people just to make them more manageable, where do you stop? Is that really how we should start treating the people we care about?
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>>4753324
>God, what do we even do if we bust into the ritual chamber and Orochi has Sakura in his claws?

Also, I refuse to do it to Shuten, because she already clearly cares for us. But giving compassion to an entity that cannot feel it is diferent I feel.
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>>4753324
>God, what do we even do if we bust into the ritual chamber and Orochi has Sakura in his claws?
All Fiction

>Once you start brainwashing people just to make them more manageable, where do you stop? Is that really how we should start treating the people we care about?
Oni are capable of feeling, its just harder and Shuten clearly can restrain herself, Vritra just lacks it entirely
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>>4753324
We didn't have the possibility to kill her because people wanted a Waifu and to keep her out of the grail. Didn't think about the consequences so what other choice is there to mitigate all the negative factors.

Plus the people we are brainwashing has killed a lot of people in life. Releasing them in a modern world is a mistake.
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>>4753322
He's a good friend.
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>>4753324
It's not making her feel or think anything, it's adding a functionality she doesn't have.
Shuten is clearly capable of compassion, as shown by her relationship with us and Ibrakki, but Vitrya is an asura whose care for others cannot extend beyond amusement and hedonism.
The whole thing is actually pretty sad because despite liking humanity and wanting to see it succeed, she's incapable of forming meaningful relationships with humans due to her nature as an asura.
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>>4753334
Yeah, I'm not arguing against doing it for Vritra. I'm personally against, but I can see why it would be considered acceptable here.

It is absolutely unacceptable for Shuten, and I'll argue against it whenever it comes up as an idea.

I hope things are not as bad as they look. I'll even offer a prayer. But remember God: happiness for everyone or you get it.

>>4753322
Need to rewatch, did not get that implication at all and it would make that ending significantly brighter.

>>4753343
Shuten has been nothing but a good girl since we got her. Didn't even hold a grudge for us leaving her to Manaka. She's been extremely useful. You can't possibly think it was a mistake to recruit her.

Cu killed a lot of people in his life. So did Nobu and Iskandar. So did Mordred. Medea killed her own children. Atalante killed everyone she beat in a race.Do you want to brainwash them too?

>>4753362
You are actually getting me close to changing my vote. Will sleep on it.
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>did not get that implication at all and it would make that ending significantly brighter.
I think it comes from the scene where Gilgamesh smooshes a single worm in the basement.
Probably doesn't mean anything, but you could theoretically draw from there that Zouken disgusted him enough that he busted out a Noble Phantasm that would kill him.
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>>4753366
All had circumstances to their killings. Most of Shutens comes to that tastes good or for entertainment. It's why she's an evil of Japan if I remember the title correctly.

Most of your examples came from outside sources meddling or duty. Shuten is closer to Jack the Ripper then she is to a knight so the examples given is false equivalence.
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>>4753275
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>>4753387
You can't just mind control people for not conforming to moral standards that didn't exist in the time they lived in, or those that belong to entirely different species.
Medea killed an entire wedding just to flex on Jason for being a dick, should we go brainwash her too?
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>>4753129
>>4752961
Attempt to talk to Vrita and use diplomacy to get her on side. (Say what?) u want sum fuk?
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>>4753406
Columbus did nothing wrong and was simply too based for this world.
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>>4753248
Just break Vritra's contract like she wants.
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Vrita also gets to fulfil her purpose of existence to be an obstacle to a god. Orochi picked a terrible servant to summon honestly. Just because they're evil snakes doesn't mean they have good affinity for one another in the slightest. Vrita even detests alcohol.

She's a being of consumption, obstruction and stagnation while Orochi is a being of consumption and destruction.
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>>4753412
then why was he in agartha
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>>4753248
>>Just break Vritra's contract like she wants.
>>Ask her if she wants to feel compassion as a human would and offer to apply the concept of Compassion to her.
No harm in asking.
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>>4753421
collecting infinitely proliferating, strong bodied female slaves of course
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>>4753252
>>4753423
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>>4753307
Shuten already has compassion.
In the gyaru's case we are giving her something she does not have, not changing what she has.
its a lot less fucked up.
>>4753373
I like to think he did kill zouken in UBW, its not like it would be hard for him.
>>4753423
I guess i will think about changing to this, but not sure how her would react to us asking her that.
What if she says no?
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>>4753248
>>Apply a concept to Vritra instead.
>>>Compassion
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>Vritra was a demon created by artisan god Tvashta to avenge the killing of his son by Indra, known as Triśiras or Viśvarūpa. Vritra won the battle and swallowed Indra, but the other gods forced him to vomit Indra out. The battle continued and Indra was eventually forced to flee. Vishnu and the rishis (sages) brokered a truce, with Indra swearing that he would not attack Vritra with anything made of metal, wood or stone, nor anything that was dry or wet, or during the day or the night. Indra used the foam (which Vishnu had entered to ensure victory) from the waves of the ocean to kill him at twilight.

>Srimad Bhagavatam recognizes Vritra as a bhakta (devotee) of Vishnu[9] who was slain only due to his failure to live piously and without aggression.

Piety? Maybe Charity? It doesn't actively conflict with her core personality or concept as a being an creature of obstruction so it leaves her personality undamaged.
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>>4753443
>What if she says no?
She laughs at our smol nip penor and kills us instantly.
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>>4753406
Madea was under the control of a god. Like I said a lot of these have circumstances a lot more then Shuten wanting entertainment or to eat. Hell she got her own race exterminated because she was bored. That is more then moral standards that's being both self destructive and being a danger.

This also isn't about morality, this is about the danger she possess if Shinji isnt constantly watching her.

Is Shinji any different from the standard Magus if he's keeping a person that at any time could just decide to kill civilians just because she's cute? She didn't care about turning people into Oni, she didn't care about the people she ate.
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>SB 6.9.11: After Visvarupa was killed, his father, Tvashta, performed ritualistic ceremonies to kill Indra. He offered oblations in the sacrificial fire, saying, "O enemy of Indra, flourish to kill your enemy without delay."

>SB 6.9.12: Thereafter, from the southern side of the sacrificial fire known as Anvaharya came a fearful personality who looked like the destroyer of the entire creation at the end of the millennium.

>SB 6.9.13-17: Like arrows released in the four directions, the demon's body grew, day after day. Tall and blackish, he appeared like a burnt hill and was as lustrous as a bright array of clouds in the evening. The hair on the demon's body and his beard and moustache were the colour of melted copper, and his eyes were piercing like the midday sun. He appeared unconquerable as if holding the three worlds on the points of his blazing trident. Dancing and shouting with a loud voice, he made the entire surface of the earth tremble as if from an earthquake. As he yawned, again and again, he seemed to be trying to swallow the whole sky with his mouth, which was as deep as a cave. He seemed to be licking up all the stars in the sky with his tongue and eating the entire universe with his long, sharp teeth. Seeing this gigantic demon, everyone, in great fear, ran here and there in all directions.

>SB 6.9.18: That very fearful demon, who was actually the son of Tvashta, covered all the planetary systems by dint of austerity. Therefore, he was named Vritra, or one who covers everything.[11]

Essentially, Indra killed a man's son, and so he created Vrita to take revenge on him. Vrita never actually did anything wrong, they were born of revenge from a grieving father over his son. As usual, Gods are cunts and we can sympathise with her for that.
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What about Benevolence?

Compassion can make her care, Empathy can be a curse but Benevolence plays into her onee-san attributes and brings them more to the forefront while pushing her destructive tendencies to the back of her mind. Doesn't conflict with her being an obstacle of gods, just pushes her away from violence and towards being someone who would actually fit into the world we're building without mind raping away her original personality. It also ties into >>4753457 and completes her being with a thing she was lacking which caused her to fall to Indra.
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>>4753460
I'm not talking about the mind control Aphrodite used on her, I'm talking about the mass killing she performed of her own volition in recompense for Jason using her and tossing her aside.
As for Shuten, she's agreed not to consume humans and has abided by that agreement.
I'm not going to have her brainwashed because she has something objectionable in her nature.
What I'd have to ask you is, how would we be any different from a typical Magus if we had so little respect for our allies that we would usurp control of their mental faculties to force them to adopt our values?
We took it upon ourselves to be a leader, so it's our responsibility to curtail self-destructive behavior through discipline and guidance, not by removing inherent drives of the people we're responsible for.
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>>4753474
>Daemons are benevolent or benign nature spirits, beings of the same nature as both mortals and deities, similar to ghosts, chthonic heroes, spirit guides, forces of nature, or the deities themselves (see Plato's Symposium). According to Hesiod's myth, "great and powerful figures were to be honoured after death as a daimon…"

From the Greek root of what demons are, they are by default Benevolent, just to show I'm not trying to corrupt her with this option.

It's part of her nature but something sorely suppressed as a being made into a tool of vengeance
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>>4753478
Our responsibility as a human isn't to resurrect an ancient evil just because it's cute. She promised to stop eating humans as long as she's essentially handled by Shinji, meaning kept entertained. If Manka wasn't around killing her would have been the best choice. Ciel has what normal humans would consider as a resonable reaction.

Do you think Shinji will have the time to babysit her after the war? It makes me wonder if Jack the Ripper was summoned would the vote be to adopt her?

If Alan was a woman would we destroy the world for him? I think it was mentioned that in another quest ran by the same QM this was the rationale for something similar.
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>>4753516
Manaka is a cute girl and we don't let her run rampant.
Appealing to what normal people would do or think in this situation is retarded.
I'm beginning to think you're just stupid or are willfully acting confused to keep an argument going, because you are acting as if Shinji will let his allies be monstrous out of some kind of infatuation for them, which could not be farther from the truth.
Shinji knows the potential for people to give into their darker natures more than anyone, and endeavors to create a world where all of the people he cares about embrace the best version of themselves.
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Interesting. My knowledge of Indian mythology is rusty but should we try and give her some of higher mythological concepts from her birthplace?
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>>4753580
Don't make the Asura king directly stronger, just more complete as a being which, going by the mythology is also a buff. Doing so with a personality trait that makes her more amicable long term also helps.

>>4753480
>>4753474
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>The religion of Zoroastrianism is closest to Vedic religion to varying degrees. Some historians believe that Zoroastrianism, along with similar philosophical revolutions in South Asia were interconnected strings of reformation against a common Indo-Aryan thread. Many traits of Zoroastrianism can be traced back to the culture and beliefs of the prehistorical Indo-Iranian period, that is, to the time before the migrations that led to the Indo-Aryans and Iranics becoming distinct peoples. Zoroastrianism consequently shares elements with the historical Vedic religion that also has its origins in that era. Some examples include cognates between the Avestan word Ahura ("Ahura Mazda") and the Vedic Sanskrit word Asura ("demon; evil demigod"); as well as Daeva ("demon") and Deva ("god") and they both descend from a common Proto-Indo-Iranian religion.
Just remembered difference that asuras have in Zoroastrianism and I was not wrong.
I think it should be possible to make her Lancer of Truth.
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>>4753248
Asking takes time we don’t have and we probably shouldn’t impose concept she’d consider or could interpret as betrayal.

I’m thinking something that would temper her demonic nature without outright clashing with her stated value could be
>prudence

Which should rein her in from fucking shit up while also allowing her to not get fucked.
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>>4753474
Sounds good. Supporting.
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>>4753584
Snakegirl Truth harem

Berseker Kiyo of Truth with her hate of lies turned up to 100. Removes falsehoods with flames of Truth
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>>4753584
Also I'm interested now
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>>4753585
It doesn't so matter if she gets fucked she's a force of nature and part of the cycles of existence. She keeps coming back whether you want it or not.

Similar to Liz's Battle Continuation being derived from her refusal to just fuck off already
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>>4753590
>>4753593
Zoroastrianism flips normal Indian classification upside down.
Devas become Daeva. From divine beings to false gods of chaos and disorder.
While Asura becomes word for Ahura and they Mazda to it. Mazda is Wisdom. Ahura Mazda is Lord of Wisdom but also
>In Zoroastrianism, Asha (truth, cosmic order), the life force that originates from Ahura Mazda
He represents struggle of Truth (As Lord of Truth and Widsom) against evil and vice. Latter two are related to daevas and Angra Mainyu.
>The aka mainyu epithet recurs in Yasna 32.5, when the principle is identified with the daevas that deceive humankind and themselves. While in later Zoroastrianism, the daevas are demons, this is not yet evident in the Gathas: Zoroaster stated that the daevas are "wrong gods" or "false gods" that are to be rejected, but they are not yet demons. Some have also proposed a connection between Angra Mainyu and the sage Angiras of the Rigveda. If this is true, it could be understood as evidence for a religious schism between the deva-worshiping Vedic Indo-Aryans and early Zoroastrians.

I am thinking it should be Truth/Wisdom or even Asha.
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>>4753597
That’s not really helpful. Exercising prudence in fighting will help her not get hit so she doesn’t have to come back. More importantly though it would help her pick her fights in a way she won’t regret - in this case ironically it should support her decision to face Orochi at all costs given his goals.
And it should be more likely to interpret as a power up rather than means of making her more manageable she might take exception to.
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>>4753606
The inversion fits her side of the story regarding Indra too. It may be one of his crowning achievements but it's also one of his greatest shames in how he deceived her.

Parallels to Susanoo and Orochi off due to Chaoskampf, trickery used but in this case Vrita wasn't a retard, Indra was just a really sneaky cunt.

>Vishnu and the rishis (sages) brokered a truce, with Indra swearing that he would not attack Vritra with anything made of metal, wood or stone, nor anything that was dry or wet, or during the day or the night. Indra used the foam (which Vishnu had entered to ensure victory) from the waves of the ocean to kill him at twilight.

The fight also lasted 360 days so it's a better showing than octoretard putting his heads under 8 sealing gates to drink cursed booze that was obviously a trap.
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>>4753613
Fair, also helps when she'll be operating without a master.
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>>4753618
>All physical creation (getig) was thus determined to run according to a master plan—inherent to Ahura Mazda—and violations of the order (druj) were violations against creation, and thus violations against Ahura Mazda. This concept of asha versus the druj should not be confused with Western and especially Abrahamic notions of good versus evil, for although both forms of opposition express moral conflict, the asha versus druj concept is more systemic and less personal, representing, for instance, chaos (that opposes order); or "uncreation", evident as natural decay (that opposes creation); or more simply "the lie" (that opposes truth and goodness). Moreover, in the role as the one uncreated creator of all, Ahura Mazda is not the creator of druj, which is "nothing", anti-creation, and thus (likewise) uncreated and developed as the antithesis of existence through choice.
And
>Zoroastrianism recognizes various classes of spiritual beings besides the Supreme Being (Ahura Mazda): The Amesha Spentas, Yazatas, and Fravashis.
>The word is also the proper name of the divinity Asha, the Amesha Spenta that is the hypostasis or "genius" of "Truth" or "Righteousness". In the Younger Avesta, this figure is more commonly referred to as Asha Vahishta (Aṣ̌a Vahišta, Arta Vahišta), "Best Truth". The Middle Persian descendant is Ashawahist or Ardwahisht; New Persian Ardibehesht or Ordibehesht. In the Gathas— the oldest texts of Zoroastrianism, thought to have been composed by Zoroaster —it is seldom possible to distinguish between moral principle and the divinity. Later texts consistently use the 'Best' epithet when speaking of the Amesha Spenta, only once in the Gathas is 'best' an adjective of aṣ̌a/arta.
Just look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amesha_Spenta
Most notable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haurvatat this one.
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>>4753620
Are you saying truth or wisdom would flip her from demon to goddess and from evil to good?

That sounds like a drastic personality adjustment but at the same time could be seen as just a flip between valid outlooks that are natural to her...

There’s possible caveat of gaining divinity that would make her useless for this fight but for her benefit it would probably be well worth it.
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>>4753620
My critiques are

Is this information too much if a reach for Shinji to comprehend, risking breaking character?

Do we want to bind her to such a closely related concept to ourselves when we can't afford the man- A rank dragonkind she'll be fine

She might also become a True Existence and akasha will pick up the bill.

Asha, if it's not breaking character is insane, the risk is her personality after the fact, unless we assume the positive nature of this Truth helps with that, being rebranded as a demon of destruction to the righteous Asura deceived by the evil Devas who slew her Father's son and therefore her brother.

>>4753248
>Break the contract and apply the concept of Asha

WhatIs veto this if it's breaking character because it's going to break something
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>>4753632
The caveat is she may have to leave to avoid feeding Orochi something absurd if he eats her as this removes the demonic nature he was avoiding eating her for
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>>4753630
>>4753632
>>4753632
Orochi is now False Beast, violation of natural order. As well as Chaos and Lie as per Chaoskampf.
Ahura (Asura) Mazda is antithesis of chaos and smiter of lies and falsehoods of reality. Vritra having some fire related things also play in it as Fire is holy in Zoroastrianism.
So Vritra (Male) as demon of drought and stealer of water mirrors in Haurvatat (Female) as protector and gather of water, part of bigger whole Ahura Mazda. FGO itself wonders about her female form.
>Eternal Immortal Demon (EX Rank): Even if she loses to Indra, Vritra will be revived again over time and will start a struggle with God again. A skill that shows immortality and repetition of eternity, which can be likened to a natural phenomenon. The conflict between "Vritra, which blocks water (brings drought or traps it in clouds and mountains)" and "Indra, which releases it in a thunderstorm," is not a one-time event, but has been repeated for a long time. Yes, and it will last forever in the future. It is also the very primitive belief in nature and God. Vritra reigns as an immortal demon with exactly the same strength that people put awe in nature into God.
And her Bond 10 gift represents eternal cosmis struggle of the same caliber.
>Avestan angra mainyu "seems to have been an original conception of Zoroaster's." In the Gathas, which are the oldest texts of Zoroastrianism and are attributed to Zoroaster, angra mainyu is not yet a proper name. In the one instance in these hymns where the two words appear together, the concept spoken of is that of a mainyu ("mind", "spirit" or otherwise an abstract energy etc.)[b] that is angra ("destructive", "chaotic", "disorderly", "inhibitive", "malign" etc, of which a manifestation can be anger). In this single instance – in Yasna 45.2 – the "more bounteous of the spirits twain" declares angra mainyu to be its "absolute antithesis".
In perspective her agreeing to work with us against Orochi reflects idea behind struggle of humanity against chaos, lies and so on in Zoroastrianism. And her interests in wealth is also part of that reflection as Haurvatat also takes great interests in prosperity.
>Vritra is said to be an evil dragon as well as an asura (demon), and is also known as Asurandra (king of Asura).
Reflects in
>In the hierarchy of yazatas, Haurvatat has as her assistants or cooperators (hamkars) three lesser yazatas: Vata-Vayu of the wind and atmosphere, Manthra Spenta of "bountiful spells" and the Fravashis, the hordes of guardian spirits.
And we do need to remember that our Truth at least partially is in the hands of God and Zoroastrianism was proto-Abrahamic religion and sometimes consider related to it as a proper progenitor.
Amesha Spenta as entities are part of greater whole and cannot be subdued in anyway since their true nature is cosmic Truth and eternal struggle for it.
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>>4753248
>>4753632
+1
I wouldn't call it out of character, since the Battle of Okehazama and knowledge of Welsh was also something I learned newly, but Shinji just "knew".

Nasu Vritra is also the representation of winter as a part of Nature, representing hardship that arrives periodicallly, when speaking of how Laws of Physics assimilated her.
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>>4753653
Send it, if critique comes we address it and then revote and the financially uncompensated clean up the sorting and counting mess
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>>4753660
Shinji is an actual genius in canon actually. Eastern concepts are closer to home and more likely to have popped up in life than Obeithion of all things
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>>4753666
I think that was Isekai side knowledge. The way Shinji worded it was "its hope in Welsh, if my inexplicable knowledge is right" or somethiing to that effect.

Otherwise you can say Shinji is a genius with fuckloads of years to prepare and knows that the Grail is incubating Zoro Evil God from rando villager. Be prepared in case it works for some reason.
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>>4753668
Tbh studying up on concepts in Zoroastrianism helps him deal with manjew and this took 3 autists 10mins on Wikipedia for a qst thread vs a guy trying to prevent a calamity with years to prepare. Nobus history makes sense as he's Japanese and that's probably a class from year 7 or something.
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>>4753248

Switching from >>4753585 to

>>4753632 Asha

After all we did initially assume Angra Maniyu would be the main problem so...
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>In the 19th century, Haug pioneered the idea that the term Asura is linguistically related to the Ahuras of Indo-Iranian people and pre-Zoroastrianism era. In both religions, Ahura of pre-Zoroastrianism (Asura of Indian religions), Vouruna (Varuna) and Daeva (Deva) are found, but their roles are on opposite sides. That is, Ahura evolves to represent the good in pre-Zoroastrianism, while Asura evolves to represent the bad in Vedic religion, while Daeva evolves to represent the bad in pre-Zoroastrianism, while Deva evolves to represent the good in Vedic religion. This contrasting roles have led some scholars to deduce that there may have been wars in proto-Indo-European communities, and their gods and demons evolved to reflect their differences. This idea was thoroughly researched and reviewed by Peter von Bradke in 1885.
And this detail is another good part to that idea. While we can`t 100% say about evolution of religion in our world due to region being destroyes many times over.
Our historical conflict plays interesting perspective about Stealer of Water and Protector of Water from two group of people who constantly fought each other over the centuries. And both their groups of divinities and demons are viewed as opposing forces in each other religion and fuel their struggle as they are antithesis to each other.
>>4753248
>Break the contract and apply the concept of Asha
Truth/Wisdom here we go.
>>4753668
>>4753686
We also have pretty good understanding of Lovecraftian lore and would have been able to make symbol of Necronomicon from memory.
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>>4753690
Also, since the mission of magecraft in general and according to Touko is the "explication of history", it would make sense thhat we crammed assloads of religious and mythological systems. Its the basis of figuring out the other dude's Mystery, and the stated objective of the Association post AoG, "preservation of the corpus of magecraft as academia" when they thought Ether was perma fucked before False Ether Aspect came in, and it never got changed.
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>>4753690
If we're doing this as well, in future when we find servants twisted by modern interpretations of their myth should we correct them to True history? Vlad for example?

Most people with Innocent Monster?
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>>4753712
Vlad would be happy as fuck if we deleted his Innocent Monster/Vampirism somehow. I'd say yeah in general.
Also people like Liz who really dont want to be their older selves? Is that too much modding or not?

Also maybe not ALL true history, given the Epic of Gilgamesh shitting on Ishtar and all is speculated to be another city-states propaganda rewrite nowadays sometimes.

Similar to how Athens shit survived for Greek myth and Ares always gets shit on and is a retard fightmonkey and Aphro's War aspects are edited out, but Pallas Athena and co are always uber OP and good and benevolent please believe us.

Tho what would Gil do if we "fix" Ishtar into not shitty version?
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>>4753726
To explain, this would mean editing into a True Version based on IRL myth/higher-order human understanding. Otherwise I don't know if Nasu even had Asha, as Angra isnt talking.
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>>4753708
>>4753712
>>4753726
>>4753734
I think we have a bit of understanding how it works.
Saber Fairy was Saber Alter, a toy without hope. Giving her something she lacked changed her to Fairy Queen. Being that radiates and represents hope.
Chiyome had her curse written within her very nature. But instead we replaced it with purification. Another aspect she had (as a shrine maiden) but was missing from her as cursing snake was dominant.
Sakura, nullification, imaginary numbers, mud and Tiamat are also obvious like that.
I think as long it is something character has in history and concept works with it well we are fine. Or if it bad thing we are replacing with something good. In Vlad`s case we could replace vampire myth with one where he is blessed warrior of God and protector of land? This would twist Apocrypha so hard. Get fucked Darnic.
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>>4753726
liz can eat a bag of dicks, carmilla is SEX and I WILL have her if she shows up
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>>4753726
>>4753738
>liz can eat a bag of dicks
I am sure some anon would mean it in innuedo sense.
Technically Elizabeth Báthory can also be victim of historical misrepresentation for the same reason as Vlad.
>Nagy argued that the proceedings against Báthory were largely politically motivated, possibly due to her extensive wealth and ownership of large areas of land in Hungary, escalating after the death of her husband. The theory is consistent with Hungarian history at that time, which included religious and political conflicts, especially relating to the wars with the Ottoman Empire, the spread of Protestantism and the extension of Habsburg power over Hungary.
She was also holding big part of Habsburg`s debt at that time.
But I also prefer how Carmilla looks.
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>>4753632
So, Asha is essentially Truth with some other things?
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>>4753747
Carmilla is the big sex
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>>4753749
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asha
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>>4753749
Ehhh...that's like saying Dharma is just order or law imo. I wouldn't necessarily say so.

Its also the reason translating stuff like En or Nidana or Karma is also hard. These packed as fuck concepts.

Or even something like Numen from roman religion/myth or mana(invested power, thats not just magic) from Polynesian.
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>>4753248
>>4753632
+1
Get fucked Wormpa
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And a detail WhatIs mentioned once: Orochi can`t eat Truth.
Has Chiyome successfully attacked us Medea and Tamamo would have been the ones to be sucked dry of power while we would have shrugged it off eventually.
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>>4753752
>>4753756
Interesting.
I wonder what would happen if we applied something like Mu to someone, would they just cease to be or what.
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>>4753788
See Musashi being deleted I imagine.

Now if it was something like Mushin, No-mind...
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>>4753769
This make her better bait than Meaty
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>>4753801
What about bodhi, can we fucking make buddhas?
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>>4753788
>>4753801
Well, Roa was deleted from reality and Chiyome would have merged non-existence with her Presence Concealment.
>>4753805
And her skill makes her always return to fight more.
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>>4753248
Switching >>4753283 to >>4753632
I have been convinced we should help Vritra gain what she lacks. I don't see why WhatIs would veto this, I think it's the kind of autism he enjoys. And studying zoroastrianism for an afternoon is entirely in character for Shinji. Might be tough for him to figure out how it will affect her though.
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>>4753801
Isnt mushin more of what we know today as flow?
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Oh and I don't think it will fundamentally alter her personality. Just make her more... her, with no missing pieces.
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>>4753816
Yeah, the wikipedia article on asha was only created in 2006 if i'm reading this right.
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>>4753807
I mean.....I guess? Saver from Extra exists. Referred to as a Deva caable of administering something on the level of a Solar System. Solar Systtem is important in nasu cosmology for some reason, as timeline proliferation could end with the collapse of the Solar System if unchecked, due to information density/resource usage iirc.

See Trichiliocosm, as around that many Solar Systems/stars can be simulated probably by the Human Order as of present day. Someone calced it I seem to remember, based on Extella.
Of the carrying capacity of the Human Order per given timeline the following is given.

"That is to say, the ceaseless proliferation of Adjacent Realities may eventually exceed the capacity of the Dimension.

Adjacent Realities are as a necessary existence, but they cannot be let to [enter into] excess.

It's a very rough estimation, but should the Earth persist at its present level of civilization for another century, it's likely that the Solar System will rupture

However, the reality is that we live and multiply.
The Solar System hasn't yet dissolved, ( lit. "ease / loosen / relax / alleviate") per the volume of data [generated], and it's likely that it could as of the present manner persist for another hundred million years. "

That is to say, a Buddha, Bodhisattva or Deva should be of this level and Suzuka's Trichiliocosm shoupd calculate this much info.
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>>4753829
I mean, i wonder if shoving the concept into someone would be enough or they wouldnt be able to comprehend it and would fail to reach it.
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>>4753818
Flow is identified with mushin, but philosophicqlly mushin is more like being without ego as such that you perfectly move with nature/tao iirc. Where Tao is unnamable but also maybe the entirety or flow of existence/nonexistence etc.

See Crowley's Love and True Will for western equivalent. Spontaneity and assured success borne from being without obstruction of true nature iirc.

Some schools of thought will differ on this interpretation iirc.

So yes, but no but yes.
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>>4753845
I see.
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>>4753847
In Nasu it sounds like it could lead to Origin Awakening desu.
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I wonder if WhatIs will give us a qrd on what would have happened if instead of opening a dialogue first thing we put on Ares' sash as a bandana, maximum reinforcement and an aria and opened with Snake Style.

She does like watching humans struggle.

Got the same result of her listening I guess.
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>The righteous can put demons to flight by invoking the name of Haurvatat (Yasht 4.2). In Yasht 4.4, Haurvatat is implored to give mankind the power to withstand the seductive attacks of the Pairikas, the devilish sprites of Angra Mainyu.
>In Persian lore and Zoroastrianism, a class of daeva or demon of beautiful seductresses who have the power to bewitch in malevolent ways. The Pairikas exert their baleful influences on the elements, cattle, and all vegetation. Ahriman uses them to bewitch the stars in order to prevent rain and cause bad harvests, famine, and sterility.
Just another reversal.
All remember how Orochi told us he will incorporate Barbatos into himself?
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>>4753867
>Barbatos is an Earl and Duke of Hell, ruling thirty legions of demons and has four kings as his companions to command his legions. He gives the understanding of the voices of the animals, says past and future, conciliates friends and rulers, and he can lead men to hidden treasures that have been hidden by the enchantment of magicians. His name seems to derive from Latin "barbatus", bearded, old man, philosopher.

In the time temple he's the one you bully for free hearts and dust with Kintoki or a Caster and always dies first. his position is also the head of the:

>Control Tower
>These Demon Gods assist with integration and maintain the terminals. Essentially, they are in charge of the organization and pass around orders, commands, and information.

His FGO skill names are useless and generc, not worth listing.

He's probably being used to help the supercomputer crystal and maybe maintain servants, but clearly they're not being micromanaged very much at all
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>>4753867
Oddly though WhatIs said he didn't eat Vrita due to her Demonic nature despite her Divinity.

It's out of character metagamey but his plan likely can't be tainted by that aspect.
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It’s pretty funny, we already have dragon mother in Tiamat, dragon daughter in Alítheia... and if this works we’re gonna have a dragon sister, too.

Another smile to protect.
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>>4753871
Barbatos is jobbing then. Iirc his function was to make sure no Demon Pillar goes rogue, which fits into his conciliates friends and rulers.
A lot of Orochi's dudes are going rogue.
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>>4753873
>She might either be imitating Rambha, because of the anecdote where she was sent to him and he became a prisoner of her beauty and died according to Indra's scheme, or perhaps she became a beautiful woman to show off her determination to "never fall for Indra's cowardly tricks again".

>Fundamentally, Vritra is an existence that transcends gender, and since their true nature won't change regardless of their gender, they merely possess a disposition as a female that would match with their current form as the Servant Vritra.

She's going to make a lot of girls call her mummy. Stronk lesbo
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>>4753632
Switching to this
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>>4753875
He might be sealed, Kiara turned Zefar into her masturbation finger and drowned him in COOM.

He might not want the demon influence. Maybe he's using him as a Catalyst? Maybe he shoved him in Para to help his calculation and help him wrangle the 4 summons?
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>>4753875
But almost every demon pillar is a fucking jobber though
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>>4753877
Okay, I had a stupid thought but I feel like I gotta ask.

Goetia's autism is ending death and making humans eternal, right? Does he just disregard Age of Will shit? He has good ass clairvoyance, no?
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>>4753881
He's piloting Solomon's dead husk so he has Solomon's Clairvoyance at EX
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>>4753883
Then what is his problem? Age of Will humans have "volition without a corpus" which is 3rd Magic's "higher-dimensional being" shit that is worded the same as being a Divine Spirit, and those view the past present and future as the same kinda thing and can exist in mutually contradictory information states ala Divine Spirit Iskander in Case Files.

So if he just helped humans into Age of Will or just did nothing they'd eventually retroactively become eternal, no?

Is his autism just too strong to think things through?
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>>4753886
>invented by the founder of (human) magecraft, Solomon.[2] It was originally created as a magical ritual to look after mankind after Solomon's death, the Human Order Correction Ritual (人理補正式, Jinri Hosei-shiki?). Said system grieved and raged against the relationship between King Solomon and humans, becoming a curse that takes action to conquer “the imperfectness of humans” that King Solomon continued to ignore. It eventually changed into the Human Order Incineration Ritual (人理焼却式, Jinri Shōkyaku-shiki?). A magecraft with its own will that was devised in order to attain true wisdom, and is now attempting to reach the origin while making use of the entire human history.

>He holds great animosity towards Solomon, describing him as the greatest fool of mankind and an incompetent king. Much of Beast I's hatred for him stems from both Solomon's supposed indifference to the suffering of mankind, and for creating him to watch over humanity, a function he considers pointless due to believing that humans can only suffer until their deaths.[5] Despite knowing of their helplessness, their ugliness, Solomon accepted humans without correcting them. But the demons could not accept this, and eventually concluded that there is no value to humans and the future, and feared the result called extinction. Their own extinction was a matter of course, but they felt repugnance over the conclusion of “everything disappearing”.

At first he's an autistic retard.

Then he was retconned into trying to save humanity from ayys

>Goetia (as "Solomon") narrates the PV for Cosmos In The Lostbelt, revealing that he had instigated the Human Order Incineration as a way to stop the Alien God from enacting the Human Order Revision. While he mocks Chaldea for inadvertently causing the ruin that he sought to avert, he nevertheless encourages them to keep fighting for their future.
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His original plan wasn't too different from Rhongobongo's 500 human sized arc she was building in Camelot.

He basically intended to go back 4.6billion years ago, eat the planet's lifeforce right as Genesis occurred, and rebuild a new, single, immortal "humanity" that could never suffer and die like he pitied and hated humans for doing so.
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>>4753873
Medusa is a snek girl too.

Any other sneks in nasu? Merlin has some unknown servants.
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>INDRA, the name of a demon (daēwa) in the Avesta. In sharp contrast to the Indra of the Ṛgveda [RV], the most celebrated god (devá) of the Vedic pantheon, whose defeat of the Snake of cosmic obstruction, Vṛtra, is an act of creation, the Indra of the Avesta is a relatively insignificant daēwa, mentioned only twice in conjunction with other demons, most significantly Saurwa (Ved. Śarva) and Nåŋhaiθya (Mitanni d.mešna-ša—at-ti-i̯a, Ved. Nāsatyā dual).
>Indra is mentioned only twice in the Avesta. At Vd. 10.9, following instructions on Gathic verses to be recited to combat the Nasu Druj (demon of putrefaction), one should say “I hostilely engage Indra (… Saurwa, … Nåŋhaiθya).” At Vd. 19.43 Indra stands second in a list of demons after Aŋra Mainyu, perhaps an indication of his importance in the demonic hierarchy, and this place immediately after Akōman, rather than Ahriman, is repeated in the Pahlavi Books (Bundahišn [TD2] = Gr.Bd., p. 15.9). According to Gr.Bd., p. 227.4, at the ristāxēz Ohrmazd will seize Ahriman, Wahuman Akōman, and Urdwahišt Indar (spelled in Pahl. ʾndl, also yndl). Again, in a long enumeration of the specific forms of mischief perpetrated by the dēws, Gr.Bd., p. 182.10-13 places Indar after Gannāg Mēnōg (= Ahriman) and Akōman. At Dēnkard, p. 836.9 ff., Indar appears third in the trio of Akō-man’s seed together with Waran (Concupiscence) and Āz (Lust). One wonders whether it is accidental or whether there is a real connection with the debauched Indra of Indian myth. In any case, Indar’s chief role is that of seducer who perverts men’s minds, leading them to abandon proper worship and practices, such as wearing the šabīg and kustīg.
Hahaha.
>>4753873
And Obeithion also part dragon.
And we were close to being possessed by Medusa.
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>>4753894
Kiyohime, Shuten technically with Orochi links, The Leviathan is a Great Serpent/Dragon so Melt is on a day when she feels like tapping into his Authority.

Quetz in a way too. Sieg is draconic, Kijyo Kōyō is a t-rex oni, Liz is dragon steak
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>>4753896
ononono currykeks and arjunakeks we got too cocky

>Nasu Druj (demon of putrefaction)

sneed

We probably don't want Arjuna around ever if we're literally inverting the entire streetshitter pantheon alignments
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after becoming Arjuna Negro Ascendio in LB4 Arjuna has this neat thing, that I can see Vrita inheriting in a form:

>Anti-Evil (Unique): EX

>Power that’s equal to the authority bestowed by someone that brings about the end.

>He is burdened with the duty of erasing all evil. He’ll destroy villains that claim to be king, but he is too upright. This is applied to everything except pure children and saints.
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>>4753902
>>4753908
I don`t think we will be inverting all of them with just one manipulation.
But if it works with Vritra as we think it does...we can do that to Angra Mainyu too.
Although, I don`t know who properly corresponds to him in Hinduism.
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>>4753914
manjew is better known as Ahriman which might give you more hints
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>>4753914
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravana

Another name.

Still evil unfortunately
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>>4753919
I guess Virochana could be related to the idea of Angra Mainyu?

As "Virochana, certain that the Self is the body, went back to the demons and began to teach them that the body alone is to be saved and adored. He taught them that if you live with indulgence of the senses you will find joy in this world and the next."

He was kinda like the "evil thought" and king of demons opposite of Indra.

Basically it seems like dude wanted enlightenment but fucked up and taught the wrong lessons to the demons, but wasn't malicious per se?

Hinduism has so many sects and divisions and schools of thought you can't really make a unified school anyway iirc.
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>>4753248
>>4753632
+1
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>>4753918
>>4753919
Probleme here is that we will be bashing more or less monotheistic Zoroastrianism versus Hindu pantheon. And while on lower power levels between evil and good spirits it is all fun and works well.
All the World`s Evils analogue would be proper dharma? It would be weird to switch something which is conceptual Devil to something much smaller in powerscale.
Because if it works like that we can go around and start turning some Christian Saints back into full fledge tribal gods or vice versa.
By not going to lie. Idea about having saint Ishtar is hilarious.
>>4753923
>Hinduism has so many sects and divisions and schools of thought you can't really make a unified school anyway iirc.
Yeah. Some of them even go as far as being monotheistic. With something like Krishnaism everyone is just Krishna.
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>>4753931
At least Brahmanism makes sense as everything stems from and is a part of Brahma being the OG creator deity
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>>4753931
Heaps of revisionism happened to Irish mythos especially when Christianity got in there. Basically everyone got made a Saint or similar to keep their importance
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>Just break
>>4753262
>>4753415

>Compassion
>>4753263
>>4753269
>>4753278
>>4753294
>>4753451

>Just break and ask about compassion
>>4753423
>>4753430

>Asha
>>4753632
>>4753660
>>4753688
>>4753690
>>4753768
>>4753816
>>4753878
>>4753927
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>>4753931
>>4753933
You could try bashing together Brahmanism ver of Hinduism and Zurvanism ver of Zoro.

Zurvan/Brahman equivalency and Angra and Ahura as Devas and Asuras as a collective or their kings?
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Oh and if we were worried about servants getting jacked by command spells remember Gil has Rule Breaker

https://youtu.be/oSPKAB70xtg

>>4753935
He's awake
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>>4753935
hey, what you think of this night's autism?
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Kinda seems a little complicated that you went for a Zoroastrian concept, but alright.
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>>4753939
It's manjew's fault
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>>4753939
You gave us 8 hours to pick a concept, at some point people began to look at wikipedia probably.
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>>4753939
Can't really go for Dharma as Vritra is already fulfilling her cosmic purpose via compelling people to be good by doing evil. Or is that buddhist?
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So we're applying concepts like Truth, Asha, Logos now?
You goddamn autists.
I love you anons.
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>>4753945
Just yesterday we were talking about bridging into this though, it was a matter of time. We considering learning Kabbalism for it even
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What will Asha even do? Twist her personality upside down?
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>>4753947
Asura dragon queen onee-san!
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I want to turn Ishtar into Sumerian IRL myth version where she was good and in the right vs later Babylonian/Assyrian version just to see Gil's face and to get discount Rinshtar
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>>4753950
I want to fuck Pollox
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>>4753950
This would be kind of possible, probably. As in SF Heroic Spirit summoning and Divine Spirit shit in Case Files both involve seeing a bit of their true forms. They are rendered as "light" thats in truth information thats so dense and conflicting that humans cannot interpret it right.

So conflicting beliefs/views and conflicting histories can coexist in Gods and beings on such a level.
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>>4753949
Will she be a better person at least? The problem I have isn't power, it was the whole, "can't feel compassion" stuff.
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Just looked into greek concepts of love, might be interesting:
>Agape
>Eros
>Philia
>Storge
>Philautia
>Xenia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love
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>>4753955
If we go by Authority=God=Function, then becoming a function of the good side in Zoro means her Authority changes and her self changes, maybe, probably?
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>>4753951
Me too.
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>>4753956
Did you see the fucking Caren pseudo that's hosting Eros and Amor. You just reminded me.
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>>4753955
We can add that later if she wants.
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>>4753955
> It is commonly summarized in accord with its contextual implications of 'truth' and 'right(eousness)', 'order' and 'right working'.

Considering Shinji is Japanese it would be more fitting to look there. Manjew research loosely lets this be handwaved I guess as WhatIs hasn't outright vetoed it but it's probably still pushing it.

>>4753956

If you want to opt for Greek you'd want to in story discuss ideas and philosophy with the greekoids actually present. If Chiron was summoned he'd love a chat about this, Medea might really appreciate it too, along with Assclap
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>>4753961
Concept Manipulation is kind of a one and done thing. You can only really do it once to people on this level.
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>>4753933
>>4753936
I read few theories that reincarnation in Buddhism is just by product of syncretism with all various Hindu beliefs.
That syncretism is also why it is able to merge with just about anything given some time.
>>4753950
>>4753953
I just remembered crazy conspiracy theory that catholics are actually worshipers of Mesopotamian gods. It has thing like Ishtar being virgin Mary among many other things.
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>>4753963
Annoying.
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>>4753964
>Ishtar
>virgin

ok hold on a second
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>>4753962
I think it makes 0% sense to think knowing obscure connections in myth and history is meta.

As a magus our actual job description involves the word "academia" and "mystery". No way Touko would actually let us exist without cramming gigamegaloads of obscure shit.

Clocktower even knows stuff like "half the Valkyries disappeared/died at X and Y time", this was talked about in a lostbelt iirc.

Random obscure knowledge is a magus' existence.
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>>4753965
You're already fundamentally changing the nature of existence. Continually doing so would just likely erase people entirely.
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>>4753964
Noah's ark was based on mesopotamian myth if i remember correctly.
Thats why people theorize that king hassan is Noah.
>>4753969
I see, still, its a little annoying.
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>>4753968
As long as we're not breaking character I'm fine with it. Don't want to ruin the story with powergaming above what the character could/would do.

WhatIs do you want to draw a line somewhere at all or does this all sit alright by you?
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>>4753970
The Flood myth occurs a lot across cultures, like the Chaoskampf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth
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Vote called then?
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>>4753973
Yeah.
Its funny.
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>>4753968
I guess you could also imply that the origin of the word culturally will also influence the concept, for Vrita it's still a linked concept for her so it shouldn't change much, but if you use a japanese shinto/buddhist concept on a western servant they become a weeaboo on top of their concept and usual aesthetic and you risk corrupting the character in that way?
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>>4753977
You are right but let me remind you about Ishtar-Astarte in Servant Universe being explicitly connected to Astaroth the demon due to etymology and her having demonic shit too. Its a plot point so its definitely a thing in nasu.
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>>4753981
Thats why she is a avenger also, she hates that they make her connected to a demon.
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Shinji gettin all up in the esoteric shit now I see

Should really set aside some study time for Kabbalah in the future, maybe after yoinking Kiara
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>>4753983
Time to learn Kabbalah with a small child!
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>>4753983
We should be retarded good at Kabbalah due to being Blessed by God. If we can use that as a connection to exploit akin to AoG nepotism or even just symbolism to strengthen a Kabbalah Foundation.

Kabbalah is also pretty OP. I seem to remember Roa's "Overload" being based on Kabbalah-Numerology to square the effects of his spells based on a Melty Blood and Tsuki Manga thing. I don't remember if it was an RM too but I seem to remember it so.
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>>4753947
I'm expecting her personality to stay the same, just to become more complete. She's already a harsh trainer on the side of humanity, and we're not making her Good.
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>>4753981
and Muramasa dabbing on Amakusa because he named his RM castle in such a way that it included the word Edo, so he could pull out one of his cursed swords that fucked up the tokugawa that built edo.

I guess we can justify it

nasuisms
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>>4753984
>her favorite read is no longer The Little Mermaid

Happy Merchant Kiara, fucking imagine
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>>4753985
I found the source of Roa's thing but uh it's part of the 2nd and 4th character popularity polls that are completely in japanese that I can't read, only rely on extant translations. It IS a Reality Marble supposedly, Kabbalah-Numerology based.
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>We get to Orochi
>He starts yelling how we are actually the world ending threat and he is just trying to save the world
I thought Compassion was alright. I am not really into the idea that we should go around and rewrite people with weird concepts.
But I do believe that all this connected myth knowledge we brought up should be fine to do.

I am recalling now that Arcueid directly told us about our strange relationships with dragons.
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>>4753987
https://youtu.be/VWsthlp8wpA?t=715

If anyone is interested in Avenger Amakusa losing to a fucking play on words of all things and didn't suffer through Shimousa and its forced musashit before Chad Gong yeeted her off the field for you
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>>4753990
What can he say, he likes reptiles.
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>>4753990
I liked compassion, but then I've liked other default options before and still pushed the autism on

I was fine with it getting vetoed but here we go
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>>4753995
I very much enjoy autistic, obscure and esoteric concepts getting used, so I have my preference.
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>>4753993
Shinji "Snekfucker" Makiri

Do you have any other palettes for him that you'd want?
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>>4753997
A Santa Version.
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>>4753997
swimsuit
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Just finished the Character Sheet for Vritra. God damn is she overpowered now.
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>>4754000
we expected as much.

did you learn anything about autistic niche theology in doing so?
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>>4754000
>God damn is she overpowered now
This should be the motto for today.
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>>4754000
oh my
But to be fair, we need walking nukes to fight the shit you throw at us.
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>>4754001
My brain hurts.
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>>4754004
soon to have an older sister that will groom her
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>>4754000
>>4754005
She is in top 3 now? Even stronger than Medusa?
>>4753995
>>4753996
Yeah, we had pretty good results with some write-in idea and digging on concepts.
And it is not like Nasu does not do that himself as well.
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>>4754005
Betelgeuse moment
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>>4754005
...

We should rent a copy of Monty Python and the Holy Grail for Mode Red, Seibah, Morgan, and Obe
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>>4754012
I think the Black Knight segment might trigger some PTSD there.
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>>4754012
>>4754013
Next Carnival will be fun.
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>>4754012
Isnt fou essentially the killer rabbit?
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I just caught up with the thread, what does Asha mean?
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>>4754021
>a Zoroastrian concept with a complex and highly nuanced range of meaning. It is commonly summarized in accord with its contextual implications of 'truth' and 'right(eousness)', 'order' and 'right working'.
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>>4754023
Huh. Whoever came up with that is a genius.
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>>4754025
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>>4754008
>She is in top 3 now? Even stronger than Medusa?
It really depends.
There's a lot of tremendously powerful allies you've got now.
>Gilgamesh
>Liberation Enkidu
>Arcueid
>Lugh
>Three Faces Medusa
>Supreme Demon King Nobunaga
>Four Tailed Goddess Tamamo
>Archer Karna
>Tiamat Sakura
>Alítheia
>Obeithion
>Chiyome
>Kaleidosword Rin
>King Mordred
>Morgan
>Avalon Saber+Shirou duo
Ranking them in actual order of strength at this point is practically impossible.
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>>4754027
Oh, Alcides too, of course.
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>>4754027
>Redman crying in a corner at not getting his own powerup.
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>>4754027
Does aoko belong in that list? I'm not familiar with how strong she is.
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>>4754029
What happens if we give Redman the concept of Origine/Original?
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>>4754031
Gilgamesh seethes.
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>>4754030
She does, actually, yeah.

I'd like to see you all try to rank your allies in strength while I write this update.
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>>4754033
>Ranking them in actual order of strength at this point is practically impossible.
I won't even try.
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>>4754035
Rank them in destructive capacity, not who would win in a fight.
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>>4754029
severance package will make it up to him on account of taking into consideration all the pay he did not earn
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>>4754030
Well, she blows up Flat Snark which is something OP called a Crown Mystery that has Primordial Ether(dunno what that means) and with 5th Magic tanks Touko's 1,000,000% strengthened Primordial Runes that are like Bryn's by somehow overlapping versions of herself?

Flat Snark seems like the moon but its unclear if its actually moon size/grade. It could be if Ploys work like Textures.
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>>4754036
Uhhh...does Arc get Archetype Earth feats, Saber unsealed Excali and Mordred also unsealed Excali level? I also dont think we know all of Obe and Nobu's NPs. Or Karna's. Or Tamamo's
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>>4754039
I also dont think we know all of Obe and Nobu's NPs. Or Karna's. Or Tamamo's
Mordred is actually saving her most powerful Noble Phantasm too.
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>>4754042
Tama just needs to tap into her sun authority to have it go supernova and byebye solar system
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>>4754042
Damn, I missed up the quote with spoilers somehow.
Keep everyone at the level they are currently at, if you're actually going to do it.
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>>4754038
So she's pretty much OP then. Hearing about how strong aoko is makes me sad that in nearly 10 years her vn still hasn't been translated.
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>>4754044
Bye bye Tamamo, more like.
Besides, she can't do that when she only has 4 tails anyway.
Also that would be suicide.
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>>4754036
Pure destructive potential, huh? I'll give it a shot

50% Arcueid>Tiamat Sakura>25% Arcueid=Lugh>Alitheia>Gilgamesh>Aoko>Morgan>Liberation Enkidu>Three Faces Medusa>Alcides>Four Tailed Goddess Tamamo>Archer Karna>King Mordred>Avalon Saber+Shirou>>Kaleidosword Rin>Supreme Demon King Nobunaga>Obeithion>Chiyome
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>>4754051
Now that I think about it, if we go by destructive potential, Wyvernspam Medea with Dragon daughter blessing should be up there too.
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>>4754027
Destructive power speculative ranking.
1. Tiamat Sakura due to magical energy output+actually having a real Authority.
2. Four Tailed Tamamo should be X*9 to the power of 4, where X is 1 tail power level. Also probably has her mirror like in Extra. Multiplication via extra tails is super OP because of how numbers work.
(3? Morgan could be here if we take the Rhongo shot into LB5 as actually a replication by Morgan due to how it arced and the magic circles, otherwise she falls down, but she does have Type-Britain or whatever powers like Uther and Vortigern)
3. Arcueid currently has her power slashed by Orochi but she should be the top if she was full power. Can moondrop via Marble Phantasm
4.Aoko due to maybe moonbusting if we take Flat Snark at face value. (5th Magic can confirm Heat Death and move Heat/Time/Value. For example of Heat as value see Konjiki Hakumen in Extra)
5. King Mordred is here because we don't know if Obe has an Excali variant and Excali OP due to convergence+acceleration - Position also occupied by Gil due to Ea. Anti-World but not Anti-Planet usually. Also Enkidu due to stalemating Ea. Roughly equals.
6. Obeithion
7. Avalon Saber+Shirou (Normie Saber has relatively bad mana support but its still Excalibur so she can fire it off a few times then disappear)
8. Kaleidosword Rin could be here if the Kaleidosword is such an improvement over Jewel Sword which already stalemates Grail Sakura's 1 million magical energy unit beams)
9. Archer Karna is here because nuke memes and Mana Burst
10. Alitheia here. Very high energy generation but doesn't have good spells to exploit the energy and only breathes in a line. (For example Excali has convergence and acceleration attribute to gain greater than 100% efficiency)
11. Three Faces Medusa can Cetus a large area and probably mountain bust if we take Hercules' comparison for Gorgon strength boost.
12. Supreme Demon King Nobu. We don't know her probably broken NPs only her muskets and illusion shit, so this is probably inaccurate.
13. Lugh here. This is because its a destruction ranking list and not a who would win list. Lugh's magecraft caps out at village level and he is hand to hand.
14. Chiyome. Is a ninja not a bomber.

This is my attempt. It ranks pure destructiveness because I don't think its possible to rank true strength due to bad/good matchups. Maybe general power level but nah.
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>>4754061
To further confirm why Aoko is so high, Arc said if she fought Aoko, Aoko would win 3 times out of 10, which was too high to chance.

That is a big thing to say about what is ostensibly a normie human when not using Magic, as Aoko's one Attribute is "firing magical energy" otherwise.
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>>4754070
It's perfect.
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>>4754061
>Chiyome
Don`t write her off just yet.
She might still has bunrei. Truth bunrei now.
>Konjiki Hakumen
https://youtu.be/kdy4GE4AgBk
Brain glitched out for a second.
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>>4754070
>no hat
its shit
im joking
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If Vritra is freely offering you the chance to use your magic on her, then... you're going to use it to do more than just break her contract with Orochi with, of course, the destruction of the contract is going to be a side-effect of just what you're about to do anyway, but leaving somebody like Vritra around without at least doing something to ensure she's not going to do something stupid due to her nature as an obstacle is... Well, it would be too foolish to simply allow that. In Truth, you don't know just how you even knew about Vritra in the first place, could it be a side-effect of Alitheia's blessing? One that allows you to discern the nature of dragons with a glance? You had originally assumed that you had just managed to remember Vritra from your past life, but you don't ever remember a Servant like her!

"Ten seconds, right? Better hurry up, human. I'm still quite hungry, and if it turns out that you can't actually break my contract, I might just eat you anyway for lying to me..." The woman leans into you and whispers into your ear as you place a hand on the middle of her waist. "You do smell delicious, you know..." You try to ignore the woman's threats to eat you as you start to flow your magical energy into her body. She really would eat you alive if she felt like it, so you're very thankful for whatever it was that give you the information you required in order to properly pacify her into allowing you to do this. Without that information... well, you'd no doubt have been eaten, and Orochi would likely end up succeeding in whatever his plan is and destroying the planet or whatever the hell he's after.

"Ten seconds." You say calmly as the countdown is just about to end, and you find yourself in the conceptual world of Vritra, the Dragon King of Asura, just a few moments after speaking. It's dark, it's cold, and it feels empty. Hollow. Like the existence of one who was created for the sole purpose of achieving revenge on a God. To be created for a simple act of vengeance by a grieving father. Vritra may be intimidating, but at their core, they simply wish to see humanity progress and advance. But that same wish is one that can only be constructed with the limited emotional capacity of an Asura. She wishes to see humanity overcome obstacles as she enjoys watching them struggle to do so, and feels satisfaction in seeing humanity succeed, but it is not a true emotion of happiness brought about through caring for them. Vritra simply wishes to carry out her role as an obstacle, and having your role fulfilled is guaranteed to bring satisfaction, no matter what you are. Still, it can't really be called True Happiness, just being satisfied that you are carrying out the purpose you are created for. No, could you call a toaster happy for cooking bread? The idea of being happy and satisfied simply because you are carrying out your purpose is ridiculous.
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You wander through the dark empty void of Vritra's conceptual existence. It's so terribly empty. Whereas many of the other beings you've used your powers at least had many smaller conceptual ideas about themselves floating around that weren't the core of their being, Vritra is like Enkidu when he was possessed with all the evils of the world. A nearly hollow shell that contains only a great hunger and... something else. The core of Vritra's being, it doesn't take long to find. You aren't suddenly attacked by the dragon at her core, because... well, that's not really what makes up the core nature of her being. The core nature of her being would be the small golden spearhead of the Vajra, lying discarded on the floor.

Yes, it's nothing else but the conflict with Indra and the Gods in general that makes up Vritra's core. Created solely for the act of vengeance by a God on a God and nearly succeeding before being slain by the very man she was supposed to kill through an act trickery. It would be hard for Vritra to consider anything else to be the core of her being. You pick the Vajra up off the floor and begin to focus on it. Now, just what sort of concept should you apply to it? Compassion? To allow Vritra to truly feel emotions? Love? To allow her to maybe love the humans that she serve as an obstacle for?

No... You've been wondering for a while now how conceptual manipulation works when it is used with more... esoteric concepts. You've studied Zoroastrianism quite a bit, in one of Touko's attempts to try to get you to understand by just what system your powers functions on, and as a result, you were made to study the concept of Asha quite a bit. Of course, compared to your Truth, Asha is not quite as complete, but it was still a good exercise in studying new concepts. Asha is something that you feel would be an excellent concept to apply to somebody like Vritra. A concept with links to truth, righteousness and order. When something like this is applied to a demon like Vritra, it may very well somewhat invert her existence, like the other face of a coin. It shouldn't change her personality all too much, either.

With the concept chosen, you begin to infuse it into the Vajra that is at the core of Vritra's being, infusing such an advanced concept is taking far more magical energy from you than it normally would though, and even halfway through the infusion process, you feel your magic circuits straining and screaming out in pain. No! You aren't going to back out now! You keep up the effort, and though your magic circuits keep screaming out in pain, you keep infusing the concept into Vritra's conceptual core.

Finally, you finish the process, and the world fades into white around you as you are dragged out of Vritra's conceptual world.
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You blink your eyes open as you regain consciousness, you had actually managed to knock yourself in applying the concept to Vritra, it seems, and you basically drained the entirety of your magical energy reserves! You get a good look at the woman who is holding you in her arms and stopping you from falling to the floor.

[Status Updated!]

"Human. You have removed my nature as a demon and irreversibly changed my entire being." The woman is looking at you with eyes that conceal emotion. "What do you have to say for yourself?" Is she... not happy with what you did to her? She's not your Servant, and just because she's not a demon anymore, doesn't mean that she's not a dragon, she could very much still decide to devour you over this.

>"You're welcome?"
>"Don't you like it?"
>"I improved you."
>"Now you can see humanity progress as you wish."
>"You know, you're actually very attractive."
>Write-in...
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>>4754080
>"You're welcome?"
>"Now you can see humanity progress as you wish."
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>>4754080
>"You're welcome?"
>"Now you can see humanity progress as you wish."
>"You know, you're actually very attractive."
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>Beast of Alaya
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>>4754080
>"You're welcome?"
>"Now you can see humanity progress as you wish."
>"You know, you're actually very attractive."
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>>4754080
>"Now you can see humanity progress as you wish."
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>>4754080
>I found a void that needed to be filled
>Do you feel better?
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*whistle* those skills
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>>4754080
>Independent Action: EX
>Through drawing on the cycle of eternity through Akasha and the Truth that they represent, Vritra can function without a Master indefinitely. So long as the universe exists, and humanity is within it, Vritra will remain.

>Eternal Immortal Existence: EX
>Through the application of 'Asha' the aspect of a demon has been lost from Vritra, however, her eternal nature has only been strengthened. Her existence is secured, and now she has become a truly immortal observer of humanity, capable of surviving any wound and regenerating her body fully on a conceptual level, even should she be utterly killed, annihilated, erased, absorbed or rewritten, she will revert back to her original state in a short amount of time. So long as there is humanity to observe, assist and strengthen, Vritra will not allow herself to disappear. This skill also provides Vritra with as much magical energy as she might desire, taken directly from the Counter Force itself.

>Fated Supporter of Humanity: EX
>A skill that represents Vritra's nature as an obstacle for humanity to overcome, though at the same time, her nature as one that wishes to see humanity overcome all obstacles, where before thanks to her nature as an Asura, this was merely done to amuse herself, now she is capable of feeling genuine emotions towards those humans that struggle. Instead of being an existence firmly opposed to the gods, now Vritra is an existence firmly in support of humanity. This skill provides Vritra with an Anti-Threat to Humanity and an Anti-Beast trait, and the ability to negate the unique Nega skills of Beasts, should they be used to target humans or herself. Though despite the new nature of her existence as one who truly enjoys helping humanity, she does sometimes derive a little too much pleasure out of watching their struggles still.

Do we just created the ultimate Counter Guardian?
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>>4754080
>>4754089
+1
plus
>"Now you can see humanity progress as you wish."
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>>4754092
Alaya 99/100
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>>4754092
>Do we just created
Holy shit what is this?
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Give the planet a Beast of Alaya and you'll live through one crisis, but give a Shinji a Blessing of Alaya, and you'll have enough Beasts of Alaya to cruise through the next five millenia.
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>>4754080
>"I overcame my greatest obstacle yet?"
>"You know, you're actually very attractive."
>>4754091
>>4754092
Ciel and SHIKI are humans and immortal.
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>>4754086
>>4754092
I am really looking forward to next dream sequence now.

Backflow from Alaya for this will be causing spontaneous ecstasy in HR department workers everywhere.
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WhatIs, just how bad of a time are some other timelines are having with her right now?
Did she retroactively purged all of Chaldeas?
How bad of a time is Merlin having right now? Good luck with that "ending" and your prophecies, buddy.
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>>4754080
>I found a void that needed to be filled
>"Now you can see humanity progress as you wish."
>"Don't you like it?"
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>now she is capable of feeling genuine emotions towards those humans that struggle.
That's fine I suppose. A bit of empathy goes a long way.
Alaya is definitely freeing Redman and Saber for us after this though. Okita too if we want too.
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>You know, you're actually very attractive."

Come on, give the drawfagand me the Vritra chance.
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>>4754112
Sorry anon, I don't want to hurt Sakura's feelings right after we confessed to her. Maybe after we've sorted things out?
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>>4754080
>>4754089
>>4754094
>>4754098
+1
This is great
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>>4754080
>I found a void that needed to be filled
>"Now you can see humanity progress as you wish."
>"Don't you like it?"
>"You know, you're actually very attractive."
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>>4754103
It depends on whether or not she's actually summoned to that specific timeline or not.
You've sort of created... a singular Vritra through the usage of Truth.
She isn't really even on the Throne at this point because she exists eternally outside of it.
She can timeline hop if she really puts her mind to it.
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>>4754080
>>4754094
Support this.
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>>4754080
>>4754094
Support
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>>4754080
Switching >>4754104 to support >>4754094
Don't want to risk splitting the vote.
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>>4754119
>spoiler
She can go on adventure with us and Rin.
>>4754080
Adding >>4754089 and >>4754094 to my vote too.
We did just filled her empty heart right now.
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>>4754080
Calling in 11 minutes.
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>This skill provides Vritra with an Anti-Threat to Humanity and an Anti-Beast trait, and the ability to negate the unique Nega skills of Beasts, should they be used to target humans or herself.
So she's super strong against Orochi and Manaka now? And can protect us just by standing next to us?
Would Alaya try to form a contract with her?
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>>4754129
dragon milkers
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At what point does Orochi realize that sending Servants against Shinji doesn't work?
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>>4754129
She doesn't negate Nega Deity, but yes, she's really strong against them.
I don't see why Vritra would accept a contract now. Independent contractor, maybe?
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>>4754080
>>4754094
Support.
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>>4754133
Next time he tries to check in with Vritra. He certainly didn't expect Chiyome or Nobu to succeed, and turning them wasn't much of a surprise. But if we turned the gluttonous evil snake demon with no ties to Japan, he can't expect anyone else to stay uncompromised after a short conversation with us.

Seriously, we've stolen 4/8 of the servants grandpa wanted to keep. It's almost like he wanted to give us presents at this point. Now we just need Para and Siegfried, and we can feed Vortigern and Nero to Sakura.
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Hm. Maybe line about filling emptiness in her is much more intimate than outright giving her compliment.
>>4754129
I think neither of them count as Beast but no doubt that they are Threats to Humanity.
>Would Alaya try to form a contract with her?
It looks like she is already bound to Counter Force and interested in helping humans out. But I don`t see her signing up for normal jannie jobs.
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>>4754139
Do you mean we FILLED HER DARK SOUL WITH LIIIIGHT! ?
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>>4754085
>>4754080
Adding
>>4754089
As an extra to my vote
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>>4754138
Poor Orochi can't catch a break.
Even an infallible plan that was calculated to be guaranteed to end in you being eaten by Vritra ends up failing.
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>>4754140
As long as at least one human still exist she will never fall to despair of falter!
That and all of Vajra and insides of Vritra`s core are now covered in our Truth juice.
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>"Human. You have removed my nature as a demon and irreversibly changed my entire being." The woman is looking at you with eyes that conceal emotion. "What do you have to say for yourself?"
Inb4 she tells us to take responsibility.
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>>4754143
Orochi.exe is certainly not making full use of grandpa Zolgen's advanced CPU.
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>>4754146
We're making an Ultimate One of Earth whether we like it or not.
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>>4754146
We did just permamently stain her in our colour for eternity.
We're also due for 99/100 Alaya.

This is the closest shes getting to her own TYPE or Archetype as a beatstick.
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>>4754146
>I-It's not my fault I turned out like this!
>You did it without asking me!
>At least you cold take responsibility, b-baka!

Shinji's quest in dealing with powerful women gets harder every day, filling everything that moves with his Truth juice doesn't help.
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>>4754146
isn't it a given considering we filled her insides with truth 99/100 is all but confirmed by this point.
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>>4754148
Zolgen's CPU is too busy running Zouken's seething script against Shinji and Sakura.
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>>4754154
>It's not my fault
>The voices in my head have been talking to me for hours and told me to do it!
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>>4754143
Gee Shinji, how come your grandpa lets you have *three* servants in one night?
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>>4754089
Support
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>>4754094
I was going through tallying, but things got a bit weird, so this won, right?
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>>4754168
Therere a lot of multivotes so Im gonna say maybe.
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>>4754168
I think so, yeah.
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>>4754168
yeah.

>I found a void that needed to be filled
>Do you feel better?
>"Now you can see humanity progress as you wish."
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>>4754143
If he wanted it to work he should have taken a 30-second break from his summoning and eat Shinji himself
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"I found a void that needed to be filled." The woman blinks at you in confusion as you calmly respond to her words. "Do you feel better now? I used my power on you, I hope that it... brought you to a more complete state of being." By eradicating her status as a demon and replacing it with what seems to be more like a being that exists partially on a higher plane of existence, she has truly become more complete as a living being.

"A... more complete state of being?" The woman asks you, trying to come to grips with the exact nature of her new existence, from one who creates obstacles to get in the way of humanity because she personally enjoys seeing them overcome them, to one where she truly roots for the humans she gets in the way of. From a being that caused progress as a result of her own self-satisfaction, to one that creates obstacles out of a sense of righteousness and perhaps love for those that she watches struggle against those obstacles. Vritra could in a way be called a sort of Anti-Beast, in that she has an amount of control over those beings that humanity must overcome. Her very existence is one that causes such obstacles to weaken in her presence, as one who affirms the notion that 'there is no obstacle that humanity shall not overcome'.

"Right, are you not satisfied with what I did? Now you'll be able to see humanity progress over any obstacles in their path forever, you can act as their support as they brave a world of difficulties, and against the greatest of threats that would attempt to put a stop to the progress of humanity, you shall be able to act as a bulwark. Is this not what you longed for? To be able to see humanity progress over obstacles and to assist them in overcoming even those that cannot be surpassed?"

"I..." The dragon woman blushes for some reason, it seems like applying a concept like 'Asha' was spot on for allowing her to become the greatest being she could be, but you don't know if you really want to try applying such concepts like that again, it was only thanks to your inherent link to Truth and Vritra's incredible compatibility with the concept you placed upon her that you didn't die from the attempt. Had you tried to apply something like 'Eternity' or 'Infinity' to her, then the attempt almost certainly would have failed and you would've died within her.
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"Vritra. You're free of the bounds of your creation now. I have granted you a form of Truth, you no longer have to exist as set to a single purpose, you may act as an obstacle to humanity if you wish, or you can assist them in overcoming those obstacles. Your choices are no longer limited to your existence, so I ask you... will you help me now? I have broken your contract with Orochi, after all." With somebody as powerful as Vritra allied to you, then defeating Orochi just got that one bit easier. Of course, that teleportation ability he seems to have access to is one that you will not be falling for again, as you quickly slip on the bracelet that Gilgamesh gave you from one of your pockets.

The dragon woman still holding you begins to laugh as she holds you tightly against her chest, almost smothering you. "I'll help you, of course. You really weren't joking when you said that you were the greatest of humanity, were you?" She removes your head from her partial smothering to allow you to respond to her, and you take a breath before doing so.

"In a sense? I may not be the physically most powerful, or the greatest at fighting, or even the smartest, but when it comes to what I am capable of with the power inherent to me, there is no other human on this planet that is my match." Well, with the exception of perhaps Manaka, but even then, you still believe that your own abilities are superior to her own when it comes to rewriting reality. You are Truth, after all. Thankfully, at this point, the woman lets you down to the floor and out of her grip, even though

"And to think, Orochi thought that I would be willing to kill you, even before, I was only half-serious about eating you. Anything that makes that pathetic snake in the body of a worm seethe as much as you couldn't be all that bad, after all... Well... maybe three-quarters serious..." The woman starts to think about how willing she was to eat you with a little too much enthusiasm.

"W-well... you're not... still planning on eating me, are you?" You just want to make sure that she's definitely entirely on your side and won't just stab you in the back the moment that you turn away from her. You don't think that she will, but you can never really be too sure with dragons that keep threatening to eat you.

"Maybe there's a percent or two... after getting a taste of that magical energy of yours, could you really blame me?" The woman licks her lips, and you feel a shiver run down your spine. Yup, she's still definitely a dragon, despite her new existence as a true ally of mankind. "But no... I'm more interested in having you take responsibility for making me what I am now." The woman suddenly grabs your arm and pulls you in close looking at you deeply in the eyes, an strange expression of longing within them. "But... that will have to wait for later." She releases you, and you take a step back from her. "Right now, there's an obstacle I feel like I should help you overcome."
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"Right, about that... where are we right now?" You look around the chamber you've found yourself in. It's carved from solid rock and there are three exits to the room. There seem to be strange markings running down the walls. The room itself is huge! Easily three times the size of Illya's castle itself!

"Oh, if I remember from what Caster said, this is one of the eight magical energy overflow chambers constructed for the sake of withstanding the energy that his plan needs to store. I would've been able to unleash my full strength on whoever ended up being transported here. I was really expecting Orochi to bring all of your allies to me, but it seems that he felt he would've had more success in taking you alone." Vritra shrugs, a smug smirk on her face as she does. "Now, then... If I can remember correctly, this is the 7th chamber... and it connects to the Central Chamber, as well as the Chamber of Wind and the Chamber of Fire..."

"How on Earth did Orochi manage to construct all this in such a short span of time?" Seriously, it's not even been a day, and he's made something incredible already.

"Ah! That would likely be a result of... What did Caster call it... ELIXIR...? Anyway, that's currently being used to accelerate the time within it's bounds by a factor of one thousand..." Wait a minute... Accelerate time?! So Orochi has had a thousand times the amount of time to carry out whatever he's attempting than you first thought?! "It's been like this since ELIXIR was used to calculate an alternate dimension to store itself within, instantly moving the location it had previously taken and replacing it with solid rock..." Vritra is really a great help when it comes to explaining everything. It seems like Orochi actually did explain at least a few aspects of his plan to her, for whatever reason. Perhaps a subconscious desire to fail?

"But... you said that my allies were only a thousand meters away!" You're a little bit annoyed at how Vritra's previous words to you were apparently just lies, or at least maybe downplaying how far away you truly were.

"Well, I wasn't lying, the access point to this world is buried under a thousand meters of solid rock. Though it's more like the anchor point that prevents this world from drifting away into Imaginary Number Space to be lost to time." Vritra explains things to you, and also explains a crucial weakness of this artificial world. If that anchor is destroyed, then it would take Orochi and this entire world with it! You need to think of a plan here. Of just what your next move ought to be...

>Ask Vritra for as much information as she has on ELIXIR and the Chambers she mentioned
>Go to the Central Chamber
>Go to the Chamber of Fire.
>Go to the Chamber of Wind.
>Try to summon one of your Servants to you. (Who?)
>Write-in...
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This chamber shit feels like a RPG.
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>>4754211
I think it has to do with Paracelcus' elemental stuff.
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In fact if I'm right and Orochi is attempting for some reason to supercharge Paracelcus' Elementals it might be the case that he's trying to summon and consume four primordial deities representing the four elements.

>>4754206
Tell us more, Snaketits
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1000 to 1? Shit. At least we're inside the time alter now, but it wll take a while for our allies to find us. 16.5 minutes for 1 second...

I think we should ask her what she knows and if she thinks she can restrain Para and buy us the 10 secs we need. MAYBE summon Chiyome, but that leaves the others with only Gil to protect them from cursefuckery.

We have some time. We would still be on the way if he hadn't teleported us in.

Sakura is probably safe. I am somewhat relieved, but still worried.
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>>4754211
A Rocket Propelled Grenade? or a Role-Playing Game?
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So, we are pretty fucking blind now, even more considering that Orochi has more time do his shit than we expected.
Are the chambers on the same time speed as the main one?
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>>4754219
I assume so, but we should ask her just to be sure.
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Also i think Vritra may have a crush on us.
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Can we drink a bit of her blood to get Dragon Core now?
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>>4754080
"You know, you're actually very attractive."
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>>4754230
As much as having losing our virginity would be.
We have a world to save.
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>>4754231
I forgot a word here.
Fuck, i need to sleep.
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>>4754229
Might cause her to jump our bones.
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>>4754206
Contact allies and tell them you’re ok
Ask for more information

We’re in time dilation now?
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Basically, I see two options now:

Option A: Rush the central chamber with Vritra. Break Para's chain, have him help us dismantle Orochi's operation. None of our allies will get here on time, it won't even be one second outside.

Option B) Have Vritra escort us to the entrance. Link up with our allies before rushing the main chamber. From their perspective, it will have been less than a second since we disappeared.

I suppose we could also try to disrupt the chambers or break the anchor, but that risks blowing the continent up or stranding us in imaginary numbers space. I think we need Para to do it safely.
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>>4754238
Contacting them right now will probably have our words come as garbled ultra-fast-forward noise.
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Wait are we the only one that got ported?
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QM, are we inside the time fuckery or not?
Because if not, its better for us to just rush with Vritra, she is quite OP at the moment.
>>4754242
I guess
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>>4754242
Seems that way. We know Gil didn't, or his doohickey would have activated. I'm really, really hoping he didn't decide to grab Sakura too as a hostage.
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If you guys feel like shitting yourselves check out Dust of Osiris' wiki page.
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>be Sakura
>happily riding a huge golden wolf with your adored onii-chan on your way to kill your grandpa
>onii-chan disappear for literally one second and comes back with yet another women who wants to ride his dick
Sakura has a hard life.
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>>4754243
>>4754245
Thought it was a mass group of allies gets scattered around the final bosses dungeon thing
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>>4754247
It really is sad, isn't it?
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>>4754248
So did I, but apparently Orochi went for "decapitate the enemy team, the gnats don't matter".

I'm not entirely discounting everyone being scattered in the dungeon though.
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>>4754247
Even funnier when you realize the huge golden wolf she's riding also wants his dick.
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>>4754206
>Ask Vritra for as much information as she has on ELIXIR and the Chambers she mentioned
>Most important to know for sure is if we are inside the accelerated time as well.
>Ask her if she thinks she can restrain Para and buy us the 10 secs we need if we rush the main chamber with no backup.
>Ask her if she can escort us to the entrance and help us reunite with our allies faster before we rush the main chamber with backup.
We'll decide what to do after she answers.
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I just woke up, did you motherfuckers seriously just create an anti-Beast servant? Orochi should probably stop throwing servants at us now, it keeps getting worse and worse for him
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>>4754246
>Philosopher's Stone
>The method of creating an eternal record is through the use of the Philosopher's Stones (賢者の石, Kenja no Ishi?), the dust of the underworld transmuted using TATARI, and also called the Aqua Vitae (アクアヴィタエ?), the water of life, that is the basic and the deepest-most part of alchemy and the greatest secret of Atlas able to heal all pain, plagues, and death. Initially created with the goal of curing vampirism and death, she will instead use them to power Hermes eternally. The ground has been turned into a blood-colored, gem-like substance that is made up entirely of lines of death when seen by Shiki. She uses the Unified Language in order to record information into the Philosopher's Stones, and she still possesses Etherlite and wields it like Sion as a whip. Individuals are disassembled and processed into living circuits for the Philosopher’s Stones. Those with superior magic circuits like Ciel are preferable to reach her goal.

Orochi is going to turn all our allies into philosopher's stones?
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>>4754239
>>4754255
>Option A: Rush the central chamber with Vritra. Break Para's chain, have him help us dismantle Orochi's operation. None of our allies will get here on time, it won't even be one second outside.
He is yet to realise that happened with us and Vritra and Paracelsus is a key for him to succeed. We can trash all his other Servants if they are here right now.
>Option B) Have Vritra escort us to the entrance. Link up with our allies before rushing the main chamber. From their perspective, it will have been less than a second since we disappeared.
Gives Orochi time to adjust and focus on stopping us. Possibly rushing whatever he is planning if he is that afraid of us.
I think asking her to try and give us Dragon Core, rushing Para and lettiing her brief us on the rest is best course of option. WhatIs told us to focues on his ritual first few times already.
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>>4754203
>even though
even though what?

>tfw memed sekinin into update
I'm sorry, monogamyfriends, it was just a fun idea at the time, gomenasai
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>>4754241
Maybe we can leave a static message if telepathy allows, well just not get a reply quickly.
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>>4754259
Terrifyingly possible.

>>4754260
Dragon Core now is a mistake. Just bathing in dragon blood has a hilariously high chance of going wrong. There's a reason Medea said we needed a ritual.

We have time to ask for more information and think. If we hadn't gotten jacked, it would be tens of minutes or maybe hours of accelerated time before we got here.
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>>4754264
Tamamo's stickers transfer speech. How do you leave a static message?
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>>4754261
>even though what?
even though nothing.
That line should've ended there.
What am I doing...?
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>>4754268
Are we on the same time speed as orochi and the ritual?
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How are you enjoying Mr. Makiri's Wild Ride?
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>>4754269
As far as you know, yes.
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>>4754270
Our revenge will be swift and terrible.
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>>4754271
>As far as you know
Hm.
Also, when are you calling?
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>>4754268
WhatIs, can we get Core from her? Sucking blood or something similar? She is a Servant still but it is not like she just that anymore.
>>4754265
>There's a reason Medea said we needed a ritual.
It was after we first asked her about that idea, correct? We end up just summoning Alítheia without much of a preparations and were given option to taste the blood few times during that sequence.
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>>4754270
Dont want to get off. yet
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>>4754273
If he can slowdown it in the one place, he can have speed it up in the other.
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>>4754270
It's great. I thoroughly enjoy having our group scattered again, and having no clue how to gather them.
At least Vritra is cute.
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>>4754274
No, even when summoning Alitheia she insisted we would need a ritual to safely get a dragon core because bathing in blood is terribly dangerous. We did have the option of bathing in Alitheia's blood back then, but there's a reason we didn't do it.
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>>4754247
its her fault for falling in love with a manwhore
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>>4754273
Lets say 30 minutes from now.
Eating soup.

>>4754274
>WhatIs, can we get Core from her? Sucking blood or something similar? She is a Servant still but it is not like she just that anymore.
Just drinking Dragonblood is a bad idea in general.
You need to either get very lucky, or have a ritual.
If it was actually as easy as "pour dragon blood on self/drink dragon blood" then you'd probably see a lot more magi trying to summon dragons.
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>>4754279
Should've worn your Babylonian Friendship Bracelet then.
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>>4754270
he should maybe learn to stop sending servants after us
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>>4754284
Wendy's has soup?
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>>4754285
Better us than our friends

Spicy soup?
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>>4754289
What if he grabbed us AND our friends though?
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>>4754270
He keeps throwing top tier girls at us so I can't hate him too much.
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>>4754290
Then we would be fucked I guess. Closer yes, but in danger.
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30 minutes is too little i think.
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>>4754280
>>4754284
So huge gamble or a ritual.
Guess tasting blood from severed wing was a trap option at that time.
Thanks.
>>4754291
Grampa really wants us to get laid, please understand.
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>>4754291
he tried to force us to have sex with Sakura, really, he just wants us to get laid, that's his true goal
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>>4754289
Tomato Soup.
>>4754286
Well, lets see...
Zouken had no real way of controlling Shuten, but he didn't really need to control her anyway, he got what he needed from her the moment he summoned her.
He sent Chiyome after you and his plan there almost succeeded until you cut your own arm off.
Nobu was just doing her own thing.
Vritra would've killed you if she was interested in following orders at all, which according to Orochi's agreement with her, she was.
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>>4754297
He just needed shuten for a link to orochi i guess.
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>>4754297
Interesting. I had assumed summoning Orochi was his plan B after we stole Shuten and ruined his chances of getting a lesser grail like he wanted. He had Shuten try to get us to lure Sakura or Illya to the alley when we first met her.
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>>4754293
How long do you think I should wait before calling then?
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>>4754297
tell me at least you have some dipping bread to go with it.
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>>4754304
I have an entire french stick.
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>>4754206
>>4754255
+1
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>>4754303
40 min from now?
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>>4754294
>Shinji I need you to continue the Matou bloodline
>Here's your cute little sister that i trained, she's already dying to ride you but i made sure she would die if she wasn't willing
>Not interested in her? What about this qt alcoholic Oni, she's up for anything grandson i guarantee it
>She kinda scares you? Not a problem, here's a snake assassin that's obsessively loyal to her lord, she'll do whatever you say Shinji, ANYTHING
>Not into that? What about the great unifier, she's a girl for some reason and she'll be able to give you an heir
>Too gay for you? Not a problem, i know you like snakes so here's a snake demon you can tame
>FUCK YOU WORMPA
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>>4754298
>>4754302
I think he wanted to summon Orochi inside Sakura. And try to take control over her.
It failed, he got scared and decided to go for last "fuck you" option he had.
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>>4754312
Damn, grandpa has been trying to honeypot us like we honeypotted Gil.
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>>4754311
Would anyone like me to delay writing for that long?
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>>4754320
No
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>>4754312
Great. Now I feel sad for him for trying his best and failing.
But the day is not over yet so next girl he brings over might succeed.
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>>4754315
Makes sense, yeah.

>>4754320
I'll abstain. I don't think we know enough to come up with a good plan even if you give us a day.

Now, what are people's problems with asking Vritra for more info? I don't think we know enough to commit to a course of action yet, and we should have more than enough time now we're in the time alter. We'd still be trying to dig through rock if grandpa hadn't jacked us.
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>>4754320
No on the couple of extensions you gave us nothing useful came out of those.
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>>4754312
Bruh what if he turned himself into a girl to appeal to shinji?
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>>4754320
No.
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>>4754320
No write now
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>>4754331
So this is why Amethyst was missing.
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>>4754206
Support >>4754255
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>>4754330
This is false. Last extension gave us the time for GoB+Mentally contact Medea to win when everyone got cursefucked. And it was the best option at the time.
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>>4754328
Then
>ask vritra whatever she knows about both shits
Then we vote with the new info?
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>>4754206
>>4754255
Support
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>>4754206
>>4754255
+1 this if no extention
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>>4754312
Ganbare, Zouken-kun!
I'm sure you will find a woman even your gay grandson won't refuse!
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>>4754339
I have a write in asking her about shit and what I see as our only options going forward. We'll vote with the new info, yeah.
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I think we have another option in trying to contact Alan. But what we can we even ask of him now? Try to stop the ritual or teleport our allies to us?
At least Truth should be stronger around here.
>>4754206
I just go with >>4754255 now.
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>>4754346
Bad idea, he’ll ask for something valuable in return
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>>4754349
>"Ok, I will give you some of my Truth juice via mana transfer but only if you take female form, Nyarly."
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>>4754356
Maybe let's not make a literal deal with the devil
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>>4754206
>>4754255
Supporto.
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>Ask Vritra for as much information as she has on ELIXIR and the Chambers she mentioned
>Most important to know for sure is if we are inside the accelerated time as well.
>Ask her if she thinks she can restrain Para and buy us the 10 secs we need if we rush the main chamber with no backup.
>Ask her if she can escort us to the entrance and help us reunite with our allies faster before we rush the main chamber with backup.

Wins.
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I'm getting really tired of orochi's shit.
We should make him Sakura's pet so she can torture him for the next eternity.
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>>4754270
Everything went better than expected with the cool dragon lady. But days not over yet.
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>>4754385
I just wanna erase him from existence, he's a disgusting piece of shit that doesn't deserve to exist
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>>4754385
Torture is only good if it's funny.
What's a funny thing to do with a depowered god-noodle?
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>>4754385
Let's just kill him and be done with it. Forgetting he ever existed will be the best form of revenge.
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>4 element chambers
>elementals

This motherfucker is gonna try to use the founding elements according to myth to create a new world isn’t he, that’s why he needs the worlds energy that already exists, to create a new one! “Where everyone can be happy”
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>>4754390
I don't care if isnt funny, i just want him to feel miserable.
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>>4754247
being a Tohsaka means you become a cuck

>>4754392
ah fuck, good call, which means if we destroy or disrupt at least one of them, he won't be able to complete it
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>>4754395
Possibility of blowing up Asia if we disrupt shit we know nothing about.
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>>4754385
I want Sakura to devour him.She's hungry right now too.
Hopefully she gets his power too.Maybe she'll pull a Femme Fatale and torture him for a while.
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>>4754395
>>4754396
There’s also the danger of him trying to force a new Texture with this new world and overwrite the human texture that currently exists
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>>4754390
turn him into a tsuchinoko and make him be our mascot character
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>>4754404
We already got Ishtar.
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>>4754400
We went through a lot of shit to cleanse Sakura of grandpa's rapeworms. I don't want anything of his coming anywhere near her ever again. We should Truth to erase him, like we used Truth to cleanse Sakura. If he doesn't die with Orochi, that is.

>>4754402
Personally, I don't really care what he's planning to do. We know we're fucked if he succeeds. What's important is how best to stop him.
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>There are lynchpins which prevent Textures from peeling away from the surface of the World, such as Rhongomyniad, which fastens the outer layer. Sun Wukong's Ruyi Jingu Bang is one as well
Oh fuck Sun Wukong is actually really fucking strong
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Quick math: Nobu saw the ritual chamber before it started time altering. We spent 3 mins going down, and some mins preparing. Let's round it up to 10. 10,000 minutes is almost a full week. Grandpa may have had up to a week to prepare. 1k to 1 is absurd.
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>>4754411
I agree. We should end him as cleanly as possible at first opportunity, without gloating or grandstanding especially if doing either would give him even a sliver of a chance to pull something.

Like Carrot ended Teatime.
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>>4754436
>teatime
Edward actually, wrong assassin
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>>4754436
Yeah, lets not do the "haha i win" talk, its retarded and gives him time to do something.
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>>4754441
Yeah, exactly. If we really want to, we can do a "Haha, I won" talk over his corpse after we kill him.
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>>4754445
After we win AND we undo his ritual
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>>4754446
I am assuming we will undo the ritual first and kill him later. The ritual has a time limit, killing him doesn't. But yes, no arguments there. AFTER we do both.
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Just realised. Altrouge is totally screwed now. No amount of votes in polls going to save her.
Same goes for all other DAAs apart from our friend Dante.
Vritra is their worst nightmare ever. Not even TATARI can stop her now.
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>>4754450
I mean, if she says she's sorry I guess we could forgive her.
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>>4754450
Arcueid will be very happy to meet her.

>>4754453
For shame anon. Have you forgotten already what she did to poor Satsuki? It'd be almost like forgiving Zouken if he said he was sorry for what he did to Sakura.
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Bros. I think each Chamber is going to have a boss. Anyone remember the autism about Archei and Para spatial matrices I posted?

Also, stranding Orochi in INS is an obvious bait. He can then use it to become unobservable and teleport anywhere and anywhen. Thats how Zero Sail works and I think Uorochi knows enough bullshit compard to Tiamat.
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>>4754454
>Arcueid will be very happy to meet her.
>"shinji"
>"what the fuck are you creating, first it was that fairy now this?"
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>>4754455
4 minibosses are a pretty strong possibility, yeah.

Stranding him is most definitely a mistake, I agree.
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>>4754453
>>4754454
With Altrouge still planning to make us Dead Apostle and likely showing up after the war to "collect" us and how we played whole thing about our humanity and new concept of Vritra. That scene will be something magnificent to behold.
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"Vritra, I need to give you as much information as you have on the purpose of ELIXIR and the Four Chambers. What is Orochi planning?" You need to know more before you can figure out just how you can stop whatever Orochi is scheming. This operation is far far more in depth than you first thought it was, and you've got a bad feeling about all of this. Vritra doesn't seem to be very bothered by all that's going on though. Then again, that might just be as a result of her invincible eternal immortal nature, it's clear that she at least cares about the result to some degree, especially now.

"Very well, I'll tell you what I know." Vritra suddenly points her spear in the direction of one of the rooms. "That's the way leading to the Central Chamber, it's the location of ELIXIR itself, which as far as I understand, is a constantly growing magic factory that is capable of super high speed calculations, allowing whoever is controlling it the ability to do practically anything. Though the majority of its processing power is being used for the heavy lifting of the summoning now going on in the Chambers." Vritra makes another revelation to you.

"...And what's going on in the Chambers? What is he planning to summon?" You've got a really really bad feeling about this.

"Each chamber is linked to one of the four basic elements of the western fundamentals of magecraft. Fire, Wind, Water and Earth. They plan to use ELIXIR to summon every deity linked to one of those elements at the same time, forcibly amalgamating their existences into pure primordial deities of nearly unlimited power." Orochi's scheme is slowly being revealed to you. and you really really don't like this already.

"That's..." This is far worse than you had first imagined!

"It doesn't end there, either. The four amalgamated deities will be beings of pure destructive power, each individual Amalgamated Divinity being an existence on the level of a Beast just like Orochi in terms of power, but... It's all part of the plan. ELIXIR is actually taking the place of the fifth element of western magecraft. Ether. Upon the four Amalgamated Divinities taking form, they will be drawn towards ELIXIR itself, absorbed into it for the true purpose of Orochi's plan. By combining four beings representing the pinnacle of elemental divinity with the almighty ether that makes up ELIXIR, this will grant him unlimited authority to control the world as he wishes, an entirely new macrocosm will be formed, and this one will be used as the material for it." Vritra explains, blinking slightly. "I'm not quite sure where I got that information from, I don't remember overhearing any of that." She has a confused expression on her face, but that's not important right now, she's managed to explain the information you needed to know.
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"This is far worse than I had first imagined." You frown. "Do you know whether we're in the dilated time right now?" You need to know before you can plan for anything. You don't want Orochi to be functioning with a thousand times the amount of time that you're working with. It's no wonder he didn't care for the fact that you were stealing his Servants though, with this as his end goal, it was fairly obvious that they were only ever something he was using to distract you and potentially get you out of the picture with.

"We are, yes. It applies to this entire world as a whole, so right now, to your allies on the outside, maybe a second or so has passed since you disappeared." Vritra reveals something that is both a cause of concern and relief. The concern coming from the fact that you are all alone in this place, and the relief coming from the fact that they are relatively safe still.

"They're still out there? Orochi didn't drag them in as well?" You're a little confused by the fact that he wouldn't just deal with all of them immediately himself, but he must just be busy with this God summoning insanity. God only knows that summoning Amalgamated versions of hundreds if not thousands of divinities and ensuring they actually properly fuse together into one being would take a tremendous amount of time.

"I don't believe he considered them 'important' enough to deal with personally like he does you. He seems to be under the belief that only you are a threat to his plans." Well, that's both a good and a bad sign. He really doesn't consider any of your allies to be threats? Not even Sakura with the power of Tiamat on her side? Just how powerful has he plotted to become?!

"Do you think you'll be able to restrain Paracelcus... Caster, for ten seconds if we rush the Main Chamber right now?

"Rushing the Central Chamber right now would be effectively suicide for us both. I may be eternal and immortal, but ELIXIR as it currently exists would be capable of disassembling me and you on a molecular level entirely 5 times a second should the two of us venture into the Central Chamber without proper preparations. I have no wish of being trapped in an endless cycle of perpetual death." Orochi's scheme is truly ridiculous, even with ELIXIR alone he has managed to effectively become a truly godlike being in this small realm. If even an eternal being is uncertain about directly confronting him, you know that he's truly reached an incredible level of power.
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>>4754461
Well, do you mean miniboss in the sense that they are not worse than Orochi? Otherwise uh.

We don't see the Archei but we know how Para's elementals usually work, and we can make some guesses.

The elemental's and their effects are not distinct. Similar to Gods or Divine Spirits, they represent a Natural aspect and have command over them and are them.

Now, the concepts they have power over is obvious, the elements. Meaning that the Fire Archei for example is probably one with everything the element of fire is.

What is the element of Fire in occidental magecraft? It's not just actual physical fire.

It is heat, fire, entropy, the principle of consumption, destruction, hot and dry particles, life and death.

Wind would be all kinetic energy, potential energy, actual wind, lightning as a divine phenomenon, potential

Water anything that flows, dissolves, contains cycles, the water of life, etc

I think these Archei "mini"bosses if they exist will be as Elementals or even Gods representing these "Natural phenomena" that Paracelsus was trying to prove.

This is a kinda pessimistic interpretation for us, but it may be good to prepare if the dude managed this fucking temporal dilation miniature world and has a castle sized Photonic Crystal thing.

He probably already made actual True Ether with Orochi's help who is an actual God and can thus improve things drastically.
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"Then what about the entrance? Can you escort me to the exit point of this place so I can reunite with my allies?" With everyone at your side, you're certain that even Orochi will fall to you. You glance at the command spells on your hand for some time, if Vritra's skills really defy Nega skills that are targeted at humans, could you use two of them to bring both Medea and Chiyome to you? Annoyingly, Shuten isn't a human, so Vritra's protection shouldn't apply to her, but Medea has human blood running through her veins, at least.

"It's in the Central Chamber as well. While ELIXIR isn't directly observing the other chambers, we will both be immediately recognized as threats by it and be erased. Orochi is currently linked directly to ELIXIR, so he is incapable of properly responding to us. He is probably functioning under the illusion that I devoured you." She leans in close to your ear and whispers. "Which I still might..." Another shiver runs down your spine. But you clear your thoughts. No allies available except potentially those you can summon through Command Spells, stranded and against seemingly impossible odds against somebody trying to not just rearrange the Texture of the world, but the entire planet's existence and all of the layers of reality contained within it. Think... What should you do?

>Go to one of the Chambers and attempt to mess with the summoning circles there. (Fire or Wind?)
>Form a barrier of Truth around yourself and Vritra and go and confront Orochi immediately.
>Summon Medea and Chiyome to you, it's a gamble, but you need all the help you can get!
>Ask Vritra if she has any ideas on how you should proceed.
>Write-in...
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Oh, fuck, it's so much worse than I imagined. God still putting a thumb on the scales by sending Revelation through Vritra?
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ok well, we can probably mess with one Chamber and force him to act while allowing us to go through the Central Chamber
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So we probably need to summon someone with Command Seals. I guess our best bet would be Medea? I don't really have any other idea off the top of my head.

She should be one of the greatest magi in the world in general, and may have some connection to elemental magic even if shes from AoG.

She could summon some dragons, and maybe take control over the elemental chambers.

Dragons probably don't want the Planet to be rearranged and would come, and she can also herself create a Reality Marble or Otherworld type spatial quarantine so she maybe knows how to bypass it.

Maybe if her taking control over the elemental Chambers isn't feasible, she could try calling some Gods into them and take over? Its a really bad idea, but I'd take Gods we can kill over Orochi getting all 5 Elements himself.
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So, who do we call to help us?
I feel like fucking up with one or 2 summons wont do much?
But i'm not sure.
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>>4754475
Divine snake dragon vore mommy is the best
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>>4754489
Maybe Rule Breaker will let Medea hijack some Elementals too, if we somehow don't get pasted?
But how to do that? Summon Chiyome+Medea and have Medea lend Chiyome her Rule Breaker? That sounds...not great.

Summon Shuten and Medea and have Shuten and Vritra distract?
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>>4754489
oh shit good point, Medea could probably fast tract a Dragon summon and drag dozens of them in while shutting off a Chamber
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>>4754475
>>Go to one of the Chambers and attempt to mess with the summoning circles there. (Fire or Wind?)
Wind. Let's start pulling parts out of his fancy PC.
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Are you still enjoying Orochi's Wild Ride?
His scheme was simply too big brained for him to really worry about the Servants you kept stealing.
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On one hand, I don't trust the command seals here, while we're against the guy who made them with truly Godlike power.

On the other, I'm not sure we can safely disrupt a circle without Medea. And we have literally no other option on how to proceed other than disrupting a circle.

At least we confirmed we have time. Orochi teleported us essentially gave us hours, and ensured we'd get free reign over his base for some time. Otherwise we'd have stepped right into the ritual chamber with the "delete you 5 times per second" supercomputer.

>>4754495
Shuten is not an option. She is not human. Vritra can't protect her.
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>>4754490
Summoning the servants will give us their utility but exposes them to danger and denies them to the group outside, even though that latter might not be immediate concern due to time dilation...

Can we try to reach out to the time dilation field with our magecraft as we did with Sacchin’s reality marble? Try to see if we can modify, abuse or usurp it somehow?
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>>4754501
I haven't been enjoying it for quite some time.

I kinda expected he wouldn't care about the other stolen servants. He WILL care about Virtra when he finds out.
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Could we create a bubble of Truth around us that cuts out everything originating from Orochi, or everything except things related to Chiyome, Medea and the 2 command seals we're using? Like digging a "tunnel" out of the Otherworld without moving and reaching outside, then pulling them in. This is mainly so "anything originating from Orochi" would also exclude any modification of our Command Seals in real time, and maybe their detection?

Would this work?
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>>4754496
It's a gamble to summon her using command seals in front of the master of CS. We could use truth to mess with the connection, maybe syphon power from it?

Add a concept to the ritual causing it to self destruct or harm users etc.
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>>4754475
>Go to one of the Chambers and attempt to mess with the summoning circles there. (Fire or Wind?): Fire

Picking fire because we have at least some experience with it and concepts related to it.
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>>4754517
I don't think bubble of truth like that would work, exactly, but I think you're on to something. We could use Truth to strengthen the link between master and servant. We might be able to use Truth to protect the summon from Orochi's interference.
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>>4754517
Or alternatively, tug on the CS connection itself with some kind of metaphorical Truth "bubble"? Creating a shielded connection by which to call them in.
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>>4754475
>>Go to one of the Chambers and attempt to mess with the summoning circles there. Fire
I think we should go in and mess with the summoning circle, messing with one of them should be enough to destroy Orochi's plans and force him to act
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And to think that this was an entirely avoidable Superboss!
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To the guys just picking up one of the offered options: Remember how many times today we narrowly avoided disaster with a write in? Where ALL the offered options were trapped? How sure are you guys that this is not yet another of those times?

>>4754527
Stupid, slow Arcueid...
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>>4754522
It IS possible that we can only safely summon our Servants using CS by using the summoning circles already present in the Elemental Chambers. In which case we should go to the Fire chamber, have Vritra stall and summon Medea using a CS by using the summoning circle to isolate everything except the summoning by simply making it a Truth boosted summoning circle.

Since it's origin and concept should already be "make a summoning safely and without interruption" it being boosted should indiscriminately also stop Orochi from messing with it.
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>>4754527
It still is avoidable according to my theory
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>>4754527
Imagine if he didn't pull Paracelsus.
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>>4754527
It was worth dealing with ayaka first just to be bros with gilgamesh. Just kidding save us niggerman.
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Another idea to throw out there, can we summon a Sword of Truth that cuts En, similar to Muramasa's Kusanagi imitation? Since it can cut impossible things, we could try "physically" cutting any karmic connection between our Command Seals and Orochi.

Karma, of course, is causal relationships in general, so without that, it will be as if they never have interacted before in any capacity even many times removed, and the causal events of the world itself may do something weird to avoid them meeting?
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>>4754530
Problem with that is that the summoning circles are designed to trap and amalgamate gods. We'd need to mess with the circle first, and I don't fancy our chances.

I think truth-boosted CS summoning Medea may be our best option here.
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>>4754527
How good are we at Runes, can we do most things Touko can with normal runes? I am mainly talking about that autonomous rune replicating runic chain from Case Files.
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>>4754532
what theory
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Something to consider. We were able to tank Azathoth powers. And our Truth is stronger here seen it is separate realm.
We can get time window with Truth to grab Paracelsus.
Maybe we could even hijack the realm given enough power and proper concept?
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>>4754540
>he doesn't know
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>>4754541
>We were able to tank Azathoth powers
Inside Betty's mind, from a small part of Betty who didn't actually want to erase us, during a critical moment with a person we loved on the line. We CANNOT facetank anything at any time.
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>>4754539
You're one of the best living practicioners of Runes.
It really depends on just what you want to use them to do.
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>>4754547
We never picked up smoking. Are there even any materials around that could be used to make runes?
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>>4754550
We could scratch them into the ground.
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>>4754550
Body parts maybe. Also aren't we OOM? We need to fix that with dragon Lady.
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>>4754547
I had a bit of a weird idea. If we can create Touko's replicating rune chain that she basically used by setting it down and when she want to get monologued at the runic chain was creating an entire runic circle around the entire forest, as you can just tell it to make something and it keeps making it forever like grey goo.

I want to plug it into the Fire Chamber and use some kind of Sowilo (Sun) based rune setup along with the divinity from the Ares sash to summon Medea in here, as Medea has Helios' blood within 2 generations. Otherwise uhhh does Tamamo count as having enough human blood to get Vritra's protection? She doesn't have Goddess Core or Natural Body...
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>>4754550
Our blood.
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>>4754540
Well, all we have to do is touch him for ten seconds right? we'll just tell him that if he wanted immortality and power, what better way to get it than his powerful grandson right in front of him. His big brain plan will seem illogical to continue, when we can just give it to him for free. Then that is when we will strike.
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>>4754555
Slap in some Ties of En by being parents of Alitheia, love, being our Servant for better summoning. Magecraft is described as "tugging on the Ties of En to fool the world with phantasms" in Case Files so lets stack the deck.
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>>4754555
How do we propose summoning Tamamo? She's not our Servant.
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I have a really bad feeling about using the god-eating summoning circles to summon Medea. And it'll be a CS summon, a circle has never helped with those.
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>>4754563
Through the Sun rune and Ties of En. She would not refuse, she knows us, she named us her husband (even if its not official, thats karma from a goddess bunrei), we saved her from Orochi and she can now save us from Orochi to equalize karma, we are in Japan where the meaning of the Sun is her greater self.

I am planning on using actual Spiritual Evocation to summon an extant Servant instead of one from the Throne.
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>>4754471
>Vritra explains, blinking slightly. "I'm not quite sure where I got that information from, I don't remember overhearing any of that." She has a confused expression on her face
Thanks for hijacking the big boobed snake dragon to tell us what Orochi's real plan is, Big G
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>>4754559
I wonder how that will end...
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>>4754566
I wouldn't be using the circle tho. That's why I said to use Runes and to plug the rune replication rune into the magical energy of the chamber. It would create a runing summoning array thats perfectly calibrated to what we want, quickly and without our direct hand.
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>Though the majority of its processing power is being used for the heavy lifting of the summoning now going on in the Chambers
Summoning now going on in the Chambers. We cannot use the circles for something else without disrupting it first.
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>>4754571
you never know until you try
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>>4754475
Calling in 30.
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>>4754575
I am telling you that we wouldn't be using the circles. We just need the aspected magical energy and the sun-fire association of the room itself.

Inject some rune-cancer into the chamber.
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How about we sap energy from surroundings, use our Reality Marble to take partial control over our surroundings and channel Truth into CS too summon Medea and Chiyome.
After that we go into one of the Chambers and hijack the ritual and use it to summon a lot of dragons to cause distraction.
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>>4754573
That seems like a good plan, and getting some Casters here is important for shutting this whole thing down.
>>4754575
We should give it a look, It might be possible do do a small summoning on the fringe of a massive one.
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>>4754527
To be honest I think this is a better final boss than Manaka. More personal too.
After this, I can't really take her very seriously.
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>>4754475
>Go to one of the Chambers and attempt to mess with the summoning circles there. (Fire or Wind?): Fire
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Oh fuck. Just realised.
Remember how we wanted to poison Orochi with Eldritch shit and how he was afraid of consuming demons? Since he is connected to Chambers we can give him something back through that connection.
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I almost had it, instead of using the elements to make a new world he’s using the elements to CONTROL the world
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>>4754475
>>Go to one of the Chambers and attempt to mess with the summoning circles there. (Fire)
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>>4754590
Summon Betty and hope she wakes up and makes some parasites to infect him,
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>>4754475
>Go to one of the Chambers and attempt to mess with the summoning circles there. (Fire)
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>>4754475
>Go to one of the Chambers and attempt to mess with the summoning circles there. (Fire or Wind?)
>Wind
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>>4754580
I think using truth directly to boost a CS summon and protect it from outside interference is the safer option. Summoning circle has never been needed for a CS summon, I still don't think we would need one here.

Also, I think we should ask Vritra too. Who knows what she might say.

>>4754586
I will agree about that.
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>>4754475
>Go to one of the Chambers and attempt to mess with the summoning circles there. Fire.
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>>4754586
Don't you underestimate her!
She's... She's still got something in the works!
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>>4754586
Bro don't jinx us. She's going to take some of our friends and loved ones hostages now.
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>>4754599
We know very special fire god.
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>>4754611
Oh shit, she's also a Foreigner of Cthuga. If we could summon her that'd be good for eldritch shit against Orochi.
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>>4754605
yeah sure sure, half of Beast VI, spooky

>>4754590
lets summon another fucking Foreigner
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>>4754605
Next question: what concept do we impart on the penetrated Manaka to bring her over to our side?
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>>4754619
Saberface
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>>4754475
>Go to one of the Chambers and attempt to mess with the summoning circles there. (Fire or Wind?): Fire
>Prepare some runic chains to take control of the magical energy and territory of the Chamber via rune-cancer.

There, just a general "take over the Territory" bit without specifying what we're using it for. We should be able to usurp it, maybe. Para doesn't use runes so we should be able to change it's Foundation to rune based one, like that one magus that changed some dude's castle to work on her own magecraft type at combat speed.
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>>4754475
Support >>4754632
Mostly because I think just messing with it without the write-in runic safety is a bad idea.
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>>4754475
Supporting >>4754632
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>>4754632
>>4754475
Im not sure what to do and i'm horribly sleepy right now.
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>>4754475
>>4754632
Support
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>>4754475
>>4754603
changing to>>4754632
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>>4754475
Changing to >>4754632
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>>4754475
>>4754632
Dis
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>>4754632
Why not? +1
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>>4754475
Supporting >>4754632
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Something you should probably be aware of before you try to use Rune Magic.
The interior of the Chambers will almost certainly be functioning under Age of Gods principles.
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Maybe we shouldn't use Rune Magic and use the Magic of ours thats essentially True Magic
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>>4754649
I mean...that's not a probem for our runes, probably? Touko derived her current runes from the runestones of the giants of Scandinavia, so its probably AoG based that somehow stabilized into a Foundation because belief.

Nordic Runes are as of right now all derived from Touko's iirc. So they should all be fine in AoG. She patented them, you see.

Bazett's family probably specializes in Oghma and not nordic runes but Scathatch said Oghma are not good for quick combat speed shit.
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Eldritch elemental spirit of fire.
Thotpatrols Nyarly.
Likes to burn other eldritch things too if asked to do so.
Will gladly fight normals divine spirit if asked too.

Also, do we still have Betty`s shadow creatures? Or Truth connection with Beaky?
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Or do you think only the Primordial Runes themselves count as AoG compatible for some reason?
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>>4754649
I don't see how AoG would affect rune magic negatively, but well, you've called right? Warning came too late to for us to change course.
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>>4754663
Oh no, it's not that they won't work at all, it's just that... well, you're stacking them up against actual Age of Gods level magic here.
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>>4754647
>>4754642
>>4754641
>>4754640
>>4754639
>>4754638
>>4754637
>>4754635
>>4754633
>>4754632
Fire + Runic Chains

>>4754601
>>4754593
>>4754587
>>4754525
>>4754521
Fire

>>4754499
Wind
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>>4754667
We just need a bit of a boost for our Truth summon. Even if runes don't work, they shouldn't affect us negatively.
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>>4754667
Its better than the alternative of doing nothing. I don't think we have enough magical energy to do Truth bullshit to the room and have anything left over. Maaaaybe if we used some CS as energy supply but I am doubtful.
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>>4754671
>Blessed Circuits: A+
>Thanks to a blessing granted to him by God, Shinji can safely use all of his body's magic circuits, without any fear of overtaxing them, no matter how much magical energy is run through them. He could be called a perfect conduit for magical energy at this point, capable of using his magic circuits to freely direct magic energy from one source to another without any loss. It is possible to even draw large amounts magical energy directly from the earth with this level of control, rapidly restoring magical energy reserves. In addition, any form of attack formed of holy energy will be instantly absorbed and turned to magical energy.
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>>4754671
>I don't think we have enough magical energy to do Truth bullshit to the room and have anything left over
well considering that QM said that the chambers are functioning under AoG principles which means lower magical energy use and we can absorb Magical Energy when we feel like it, i'd say we'd be doing alright
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Naudiz, Jera, Uruz are the runes for the "creation" chain as per Case Files so its not like we lose a lot if it doesnt work. A short sequence.
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In any case, worst case scenario here is that the runecancer array fails to usurp control. We'll have lost a minuscule amount of time, since we won't inscribe it all by hand. And we can try the Truth-CS summon right afterwards.
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We could also infusing runes with Truth?
We know we can touch any symbol with it.
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>>4754678
Don't know if our Truth would be cheaper. We arent using AoG principles or even a Foundation for them, just applying our element like Aoko shooting bullets. We can try absorbing it, but usually Territory supremacy means you control the magical energy, see Flat Snark vs Aoko.
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>>4754685
>Don't know if our Truth would be cheaper
it would
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>>4754660
Woke up, reading through the thread and you came to the same conclusion I did. I even suggested her a few threads pack due to also dabbing on nyarly and her being quite sane for a foreigner
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Did we every try Truthing runes?
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>>4754688
We barely ever tried runes, so nope.
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Its somewhat surprising Para can do AoG magecraft. Is he going back to its Greek roots? He lived in modern magecraft.
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>>4754696
I think Para used modern magecract to create the supercomputer, and then Orochi used the supercomputer to supplement Zolgen's CPU and Para and enable them to do AoG stuff.
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>>4754696
He's also linked to the enormous supercomputer.
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>>4754699
That's cool but it still wouldn't be AoG stuff? Just because its super powerful doesn't make it that. It only means that the Foundation it uses rely on borrowing bits of a God's Authority.

I wouldn't call what the Moon Cell does AoG even tho its vastly more powerful than Gods.

Drawing on an Authority and doing a Formula as per Modern Magecraft are just different. Not just power wise.

Unless he's using some ancient greek AoG thing due to Archei or Orochi's Snake Authority having godlike computation shouldnt make it AoG.

Unless I am missing what hes doing with the Archei as using their Authorities if they have any?
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>>4754667
>>4754649
Tho one says AoG principles and the other AoG level, which are different things.
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>>4754706
>It only means that the Foundation it uses rely on borrowing bits of a God's Authority.
There is a God that is actively controlling ELIXIR right now, so Paracelcus is more... working off of the fact that it has been infused with his power and Authority. Each of the Chambers is functioning under Age of Gods principles in order to facilitate the summoning of the Amalgamated Divinities, while Paracelcus himself is SPOILERS


And one more thing to remember, you don't know how long they've been at this for.
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>>4754687
If no smart choices present themselves in the next few updates Fire Chamber leaves us with three options:
1. Summon Yang Guifei/Cthugha and let her poison Orochi`s ritual ritual and burn him
2. Contact Alan for help
3. Try to summon Medea and Chiyome to us and hope space time anomaly do not teleport them inside out to us
I am really not seeing any other option right now.
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>>4754719
I'm up for a Yang Guafei summon if we can. There is probably no way Orochi knows we would summon a specific Foreigner. Who are not even related to mythos in their history to any great degree.
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>>4754715
>And one more thing to remember, you don't know how long they've been at this for.
>>4754425

>>4754719
I do not like messing with Outer Gods. Remember God's warning. He's helping us even now, let's listen to him.
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>>4754719
shame wind is such a boring element, you can see how everyone psychologically gravitates to fire even in the early vote selects

Fire also might offer HOPEMAN

The treasure of monte cristo was stolen from the Vatican by Abe Faria and may actualy be a remnant of the Holy Spirit, the tongues of fire that anointed the Apostles after the resurrection.

Seeing as we're blessed by God we might be able to avoid Eldritch and get something Holy Fire related.

Michael is a stretch but he does cast out the Serpent in the Fall

>>4754724
yw
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>>4754726
>shame wind is such a boring element, you can see how everyone psychologically gravitates to fire even in the early vote selects
I'd have voted for water if it was one of the options.
But yeah, everyone always votes fire, and picks charmander.
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>>4754726
I want HOPEMAN more than i want Yang Guafei, he's got anti immortality stuff plus he's based
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Why do we even want to try summoning something new? Medea should be right in her turf for AoG stuff. We can't hope for anyone better to help us understand and break the ritual.
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I meanin nasu Wind is kinetic energy, potential energy, wind, lightning, potential and maybe forces in general

While Fire is consumption, entropy, fire, heat, life and death, destruction.
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>Nobody likes wind
Shame.
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>>4754729
Fire is the most anthropocentric of the classical elements.
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>>4754735
I voted for Wind.
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>>4754735
who gives a shit, we get fucking HOPEMAN or the chink
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Are going for the other ones too?
Who is it for Water and Earth?
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>>4754735
>Wind.
Did you mean: Sun?
Qzeutz was the Sun for like 2 Worlds in myth iirc
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>>4754722
I think it is realistic to believe we can get her out of Fire Chamber.
>>4754724
>>4754726
I am more inclined to believe it was Alaya since Vritra is now connected to Counter Force.
But if it is YHWH and he wants to send us some support? Sure, why not take it if he is offering somebody strong.
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>>4754735
Funny, she got a strengthening recently
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>>4754743
Wow did I fuck up Quetzal's name.
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>>4754735
I like wind, I voted for wind.
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>>4754735
Also yeah she's part of the sun club
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>>4754743
Also a God of Wind.
Their usage of their authority over the Sun is specifically using Solar Wind in Fate.
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who's the God of Fire
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>>4754750
Thats stupid but I believe it. IRL myth had her as the Sun in previous iterations of the World. I wonder if Nasu is going to incorporate that as her being the Sun god on previous planets, seeing as they are space bacteria.
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>>4754744
Revelation through unknowing medium is God's MO. Alaya would have influenced Vritra to do something, not given us an info-dump.

Why do you assume God wants to send us backup? He gave us the info we need to solve this ourselves, and we can do it without trying to summon another beatstick to go unba bunga with. We need to disrupt the ritual without it blowing up and taking out half the planet. We need finesse, not more raw power.
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>>4754752
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>>4754752
It’s not a singular god, he’s trying to summon ALL of the gods of those elements
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>>4754755
Eldritch aids is pretty finesse. I am not suggesting we do Yellow Sign.
But as I said before we just need measure that options we have after next update to see how best to approach it.
>Alaya would have influenced Vritra to do something, not given us an info-dump.
Alaya is bad at her job and simps for us so I won`t be that sure about it.
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You know. The fuck did erasing Roa do to Dantes? Given their meeting in some worldlines was important.

>>4754758
I think they're asking for what we could summon instead of Quetz.
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>>4754763
Well considering that Roa is still alive, they probably didn't meet in this timeline, Roa is strong but Dantes is his direct counter
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>>4754768
I mean, didn't we multiversally and retroactively delete Roa to such an extent that only Ciel, SHIKI and maybe Arc remember him? is it brainrot time for me?
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>>4754768
>Roa is still alive
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>>4754771
You are correct.
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>>4754771
The encounter likely happened insofar that Dantes killed "some Dead Apostle", at worst, he won't remember who specifically but he'll know the encounter happened
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>>4754771
Nah, you're right
Roa is gone from all timelines now
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>>4754768
Still, it was explicitly uncomfirmed if Monte Christo Mythologie soulkilled him enough for that.

Roa's parasitism doesn't quite require his soul to be whole. He seeds his target with his Directionality and then goes on to die, then he is recreated as his host gains awareness and mind.
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>>4754777
I thought it was only our timeline we had extra-deleted him from.
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>>4754783
Dudes gone from Akasha he aint dead but he'd wish he was, if he could wish.
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>>4754772
If Edgemond DONTEs does make an appearance, will he have at least one quality of Danganronpa's Nagito?
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>>4754783
He got erased right to the root
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>>4754786
I just wanna give him his waifu Haydee and kill vampires with him and Enhance
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Other options include Prometheus due to Ares sash as a
Link, Jannu, St Olga, Arjuna Alter.

I'd go with a human though to borrow Vritas protection
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QM really enjoys vore, huh?

>>4754527
Arcueid is a fucking jobber. Worst girl after Ishtar and Manaka, worst vampire sister.
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>>4754860
>Arcueid is a fucking jobber.
It was one bad roll.
Then you benched her.
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>>4754858
FUCK, we should stole Ciel's Lance, I wanted to be bros with based Longinus
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>>4754869
That's how it goes. One bad roll and you're out. We're not running a charity here.
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>>4754869
One time is all it takes
Forever deemed as jobber
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Manaka is starting to feel like a disappointment compared to Orochi, still spooked by Cu though
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>>4754869
Every passing day you saying that Arcuied could solo the war becomes funnier.
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>>4754883
At the time, she probably would've been able to.
>>4754878
She's still got some tricks up her sleeve.
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>>4754883
Kek, forgot about that
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>>4754883
Ah, the old innocent times when we prepared for Gil being the final boss...
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>>4754888
Is the manakas aware of what is happening with orochi?
They may very well be very confused.
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I wonder how Chiyome, Oda and Vritra would do as the new entries to the Best Girl polls.
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>>4754869
That's what you get for permabuffing enemy boss into turbo-hardmode.
Are all the "good" deities totally incompetent?
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I wonder if we can pull off pseudo servant Shinji? Our new dragon should still count Shinji as human even if that happened meaning the anti-beast skill should protect any divinity absorbed.
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>>4754894
Chiyome best ninja. Oda and Vritra haven't earned their keep yet. I'd put Obeith above them both.
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>>4754894
Chiyome is based but there’s no romance there, more like respect and admiration, the rest haven't done much

>>4754888
>summons half a Beast
>we have an anti Beast servant
Thanks for the counter waifu Orochi
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>>4754904
>summons half a Beast
Nero's still out there. That idiot Merlin may yet hand Manaka the other half.
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>>4754910
His primary job is to not allow that to happen at all, he held back two Beasts
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"OK, Vritra, lead the way to the Chamber of Fire, I've had... something of an idea here." You don't often make much use of your Rune Magic despite your fairly extensive training in them courtesy of Touko, but they might just be able to help you here. Touko is a certified genius of Runes, and while you're not quite at her level in which you can replicate even Primordial Runes, which would be a great benefit to you right now, Replica Primordial Runes created in an environment close to that of the Age of Gods wouldn't really be things that could be called Replicas anymore. A shame that she's not here right now.

"An idea?" Vritra questions you. Interested in what you might be planning that could give you some sort of an advantage over these God-Summoning Chambers. While you don't actually know if it will be of that much use, it's a quick tracing of a few runes on a pebble to form a single link of the self-replicating chain...

"Right, I might be able to use my Rune Magic to form a self-replicating chain that will absorb the magical energy of the surroundings in order to keep constructing more of itself, until control of the territory is ceded to me!" It's a bit of a long shot, considering you're putting your knowledge of runes up against not only a chamber that is designed to summon dozens of gods, but also something being observed by a supercomputer that is apparently capable of itself replicating things on the level of Magic. The spatial manipulation magic that was used. The rapid construction of an alternate world, and the massive time dilation that is occurring within. All three are close to Magic in power. Not to mention the absolute insanity of summoning so many Divine Spirits simply to amalgamate them into a singular form for the purpose of absorbing all four God Amalgamates into ELIXIR, which at this point you'd imagine is something that Orochi is planning to turn into something similar to the true soul of Gaia in order to usurp control over the entire planet to achieve an unlimited undisputed godhood over the entire planet.
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You pick up a stray pebble from the floor of the chamber, there are a few scattered about. You quickly slash open one of your fingers in order to paint a few runes on the pebble before you infuse it with a small amount of your magical energy. You catch sight of Vritra licking her lips quite unsubtly as she looks at your bleeding wound, and you really wish that she wouldn't. She might've agreed to help you, but she's really giving you a bad feeling. She really isn't joking when she mentions how much she wants to eat you, and you definitely need to keep that in mind. Hopefully you'll be able to keep her satiated with delicious food when you get this whole Orochi situation resolved. If you manage to get this Orochi situation resolved, that is. Still, it doesn't help to plan, it's not like Vritra is ever going away... ever. She's very much a truly immortal being now, linked entirely to the continued existence of humanity, so you're either going to have to keep her close to you, or allow somebody who enjoys making people struggle to overcome obstacles to improve themselves free reign to wander the planet. At least Ibaraki promised to make her Oni behave. There's no telling what sort of mischief a man-eating dragon like Vritra would get involved in. Ally of humanity or not, that doesn't mean that she's the absolute ally of every single human. Somebody is going to need to be nearby to hold her leash... and that's almost certainly going to have to be you...

The pebble you picked up quickly takes the form of a shining silver link. It should replicate itself endlessly when it is provided with enough magical energy by the surrounding area. It is normally something used to usurp control of the territory of lesser magi, but it could potentially act as a destructive influence even to a highly specialized bounded field created by even the most talented magi, it will likely be isolated and neutralized in short order, but until that time comes, it will disrupt whatever ritual is being made.

"Alright, Vritra, let's get going." You give the go ahead to Vritra to carry on to the Chamber of Fire, having taken a very short moment in order to create a single link of the self-replicating chain.

Vritra gives you a smile, showing off her incredibly sharp teeth. "OK, my sweet." W-what? What did she just refer to you as?

"Pardon?" Vritra tilts her head in confusion at you as you ask her to repeat herself, not knowing what you could have possibly misheard.
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"Hmm?" It's probably best you don't make a big deal of it. You probably misheard her... probably. You hope. God damn it. Sakura won't be happy if she finds out about this. Neither will Medea. Or Tamamo. Or Satsuki. Or Arcueid. Or Medusa... OK, well they'll probably just have to deal with it. Vritra isn't somebody that is going anywhere even if they do their utmost to erase her, and you don't feel comfortable sending her off on her own in case she decides to be an obstacle to overcome by eating a city or something. Even if she can feel positive emotions from seeing humanity to succeed, letting her have free reign over things like that is just asking for something to go terribly wrong somewhere else in the world, though you don't really care about the faceless masses yourself, the people around you do care for such people, and... well, you suppose that after your meeting with Alaya, you can't entirely disregard such people as being completely unimportant.
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You spend the rest of the walk to the Chamber of Fire in silence as you fidget with the chain in your hand and follow Vritra down a long tunnel connecting the overflow chamber to the Chamber of Fire. Around halfway through the tunnel, the temperature noticeably picks up, and before long it feels like you're walking through a desert with a hot sun bearing down on you, and when you finally reach the end of the tunnel, which opens out into the chamber itself, the heat becomes almost completely unbearable. You wrap Goddess of War around yourself in order to grant your body the strength it needs to even survive in such terrible conditions, and you are instantly flooded with a great deal of power, as well as divine energy flowing through your body... which is oddly absorbed immediately by your circuits, ah well, wearing this, regenerating your magical energy will be a process that barely takes a minute! You come out of the overflow chamber with a fair amount of elevation, allowing you to look out at the Chamber of Flame. While the Overflow Chamber was huge, this Chamber is even larger. Almost a hundred Summoning Circles glow with red hot power, each interlinked with another in some grand ritual designed to fuse all of the beings it summons together into a singular divinity. The God that is summoned by this ritual would be ridiculously powerful. A fusion of every god of flame ever to exist on the planet would easily be a calamity that could destroy the entire planet in a few minutes, if that. You don't even know if Grand Servants would be able to properly respond in time before the overwhelming heat of the existence of a Primordial Flame God would incinerate the surface of the planet. Each of the Amalgamated Divinities should theoretically be existences beyond even the Mother Goddess from which all life sprang forth, each having Authorities of not simply Nation-Building, but of World-Building. Capable of shaping the planets themselves! You'd say that Orochi was playing with fire, but your pretty sure that Vritra wouldn't be happy with the bad joke.

You look down at the chain in your hand. Is it really worth trying to use it? Or should you go down there yourself and attempt to fiddle with one of the summoning circles yourself? It would require re-calibration if you were to do such a thing, and you might even be able to use one of the flame-based summoning circles to summon something that could assist you!

>Go down there and mess with one of the summoning circles, don't bother trying to use one though.
>Go down there and mess with one of the summoning circles, use the one that you unlink from the rest. (Will need dice roll.)
>Throw the Runic Link into the chamber. Try to use that to disrupt the summoning.
>Ask Vritra to use her strength to destroy the chamber. Vajra should contain enough energy to do some major damage, especially if she throws many of them.
>Write-in...
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Also, got bored and made the star of everybody's favourite dead end.
Thanks again to the drawfag for making the original.
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>>4754936
sigh
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>>4754938
Throw the Runic Link into the chamber. Try to use that to disrupt the summoning
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>>4754939
last update?
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Should we try Truth-ing the Runes or just try jacking a summoning circle? I think Dantes or Yang were good ideas, compared to using CS near the creator of CS.
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>>4754945
Potentially.
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>>4754939
I would've liked DA route if we didnt get insta-enslaved desu.
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>>4754932
>OK, my sweet
Oh. We're fucked. Possibly literally.
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>(Will need dice roll.)
Oh boy.
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>>4754938
>>Go down there and mess with one of the summoning circles, use the one that you unlink from the rest. (Will need dice roll.)
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>>4754949
Okay, Vritra is added. Good job bros.
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>>4754932
>>4754938
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So, what do we expect to happen if we disrupt the ritual from here? The whole structure phases back in with reality? Supercomputer crashes? Big boom?

I don't think we should try to summon a new servant with the god-summoning circles. We're risking the gacha for a chance to pull a new Orochi snack or someone that will almost certainly be less powerful than Vritra and less useful than Medea.

Our best options, as I see them: Use Truth reinforced CS to summon Medea, or do absolutely everything we can to disrupt the place. Runecancer, break rituals, have Vritra help with breaking rituals without blowing up the chamber, the works.
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>>4754947
ok, i hope so, i'm going to drop dead to sleep
fucking formula 1
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>>4754938
>Go down there and mess with one of the summoning circles, use the one that you unlink from the rest. (Will need dice roll.)
Can't resist the call of the dice.
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>>4754932
>Vritra gives you a smile, showing off her incredibly sharp teeth. "OK, my sweet."
We dissapear for literally 3 seconds and then we come back with another woman throwing herself at us.
The harem arrangements will be a bloodbath.
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>>4754949
She is cute.
its fine.
Also we made her unkillable as fuck.
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>>4754959
It's really hard to stop manwhoring when every voice in your head is telling you to fuck a different woman and some are telling you to catch-em-all.
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>>4754938
>Go down there and mess with one of the summoning circles, use the one that you unlink from the rest. (Will need dice roll.)

The runes will likely be eliminated as nothing but a pest. It may do something special due to Shinji's blood but that's a gamble. It also may buy us some time before Orochi notices Shinji is still active.

First option is likely going to save us time to stop Orochi.
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>>4754961
Agreed. Also, we really do a lot of dragon/snake stuff
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>>4754938
>Throw the Runic Link into the chamber. Try to use that to disrupt the summoning.
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>>4754959
Everyone can play rock paper scissors to see who gets us while we stealthy escape from the backdoor as things inevitably go to shit
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>>4754964
The problem is that we make it really easy for girls to have a crush on us.
Its a bomb we have to defuse when it explodes
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>>4754964
This time Shinji didn't even make a move. This is the third time it was unintentional. Satsuki, Arc and now this fucking glutoness dragon. She's worse the Shuten so Shinji is probably getting laid at the end of this.
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>>4754972
We are just helping them to have a better life, not our fault they are so starved for affection and attention that they throw themselves at the first man who treat them nicely.
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>>4754972
I don't know if it can be called a crush if its shit like an eternal dragon infused with the concept of cosmic truth deciding it, but you're not wrong about the sentiment.
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>>4754972
Generally, it is too late to defuse a bomb when it explodes. We should try defusing it beforehand instead of ignoring the situation and hoping it goes away. But that's a discussion for after we kill grandpa.
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>>4754976
We appear to have literally given Vritra both eternity and the abilits to actually process true happiness outside of contentment of a job well done. Couldn't have turned out amy other way, even if we hadn't boasted about being the greatest human before proceeding to basically prove it to human guiding calamity dragon.
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>>4754938
>>Throw the Runic Link into the chamber. Try to use that to disrupt the summoning.
Eh don't feel like doing a Gacha roll, mostly cause I feel like we'll get a shitter
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>>4754938
>Go down there and mess with one of the summoning circles, use the one that you unlink from the rest. (Will need dice roll.)

The gacha calls me
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We really should take a chance on the servant. Partly going into the central ritual is sucide. We need more Dakka.
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>>4754984
We have to roll.
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>>4754986
There are very, very, very few rolls that would be helpful when motherfucking Virtra of Eternity is not nearly enough. And many that would be actively worse with Orochi around. We should disrupt the ritual with everything we have.
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I really hope we get Hopeman from this then
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>>4754938
Calling in 40.
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>>4754988
Or roll use truth on the resulting summon and/ior see if using said servant can take control of the ritual. Plus no risk no gain.
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>>4754989
We could really use a male servant for once.
Also, is he the Count of Monte Cristo? That's kinda neat.
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>>4754938
>Go down there and study the summoning circles.
>After studying them, throw the Runic Link into the chamber.
>Use the cover of the Runic Link to quickly mess with as many circles as you can.
>Have Vritra help you mess with circles without blowing up the room and stranding you into imaginary numbers space.
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QM, how many rolls do we get? BO3, or only one?
Or is it like when we summoned Morgan?
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>>4754995
We have survived today by playing it safe and covering our bases before messing with fire. We cannot use Truth to affect the gacha. The gacha is above even Truth. If we want a servant to help us take control of the ritual, we should summon Medea. There is literally no one possible who would be better than her.
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>>4754938
>Go down there and mess with one of the summoning circles, use the one that you unlink from the rest. (Will need dice roll.)
I bet on the dice. Just blowing up Fire is not enough and Orochi is going to notice us. Dont trust Command Seals yet.
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>>4754938
>>4754998
+1
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>>4754996
Yeah Edmond Dantes, he’s a busted servant though so we'll need to roll a high number, his fires counter immortality and regen, he’s immune to poison and mental interference, he has an NP that allows him to escape anything and he has an NP that can revive anyone on the verge of death, plus I really want a male servant to even out everything and Hopeman is based
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Rolled 422 (1d1000)

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>>4754998
Shit falls into Imaginary Number Space if youbdestroy the anchoor for thiss world, not the Chamber.

But Medea has 1 very big weakness. She needs time and resources.
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>>4755010
Is he stronger than Vritra as she is now?
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>>4755001
Bo5 d1000
>>4755004
Technically, you could theoretically summon Hecate from this circle if you're lucky. Heh.
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>>4755016
Probably not but Edmond has more utility than her
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>>4755015
The walls of the chamber are the only thing separating us from imaginary numbers space. If she blows up the walls, we're thrown out.

We have time. Orochi teleporting us into accelerated time gave us literally hours that we would have spent digging up a kilometer of rock. I don't think Medea would need resources, she doesn't need anything for her magic. But the argument against summoning her is the unreliability of the CSs near their creator, and that's why she is not my proposal.
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>>4755018
Is fate hecate a bitch?
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>>4755018
We better roll low then.
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>>4754994
She looks hungry. We should buy her a burger or something.
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>>4755021
Then he won't help us storm the main chamber. His utility won't help us disrupt the ritual. What do we need him for?
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>>4755016
In a straight slugging match prob no. But he can do esoteric shit like escape anything including time and space, basically timestopping. He may just escape Orochi's World annd bring someone in.
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>>4755018
>Bo5
I like those odds!
>>4754938
>Go down there and mess with one of the summoning circles, use the one that you unlink from the rest. (Will need dice roll.)
We roll after you call, right?
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>>4755029
I do think he has an NP similar to a time stop, so maybe he could burst in the Central Room, grab Para and get out.
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>>4754938
>Go down there and mess with one of the summoning circles, use the one that you unlink from the rest. (Will need dice roll.)
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>>4755029
Why do we need the servant that can revive people, has anti regen powers and escape anything? specifically space and time? while we're in imaginary numbers space? Gee anon, what do we need him for?
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>>4755031
Yes yes, roll after call.
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>>4755033
Yeah I forgot to mention his NP makes him extremely fucking fast, that's how he breaks through time and space, by going fast
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>>4755018
>Bo5
nice

>Hecate
Not again
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Wait and hope anons, wait and hope that Edmond Dantes will answer the call
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I see the lure of the gacha is too strong for me to even try arguing against. I wish us the best of luck, we're going to fucking need it.
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Rolled 786 (1d1000)

Since I'm going to sleep and I'll probably miss the next update I'll just roll now hoping the option to summon win.
Good night.
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Haha haha hijack ALL of the circles

UNLIMITED DEITY WORKS
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>>4755048
yeah
i guess i will roll
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>>4755044
Actual Hecate. Not Hera's titpillow Hecate.
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>>4755051
Does this count? This is pretty good
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>>4755004
Cant summon Madea unless you wish to risk CS in front of a CS Master. Secondly not truth on the gotcha but truth on the summoned servant. Do you wish to trust dragon girl when she's hinting at hunger. Rather have a different servant around for more options.
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>>4755048
Inb4 we summon Grands by complete accident
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>>4755048
>Trying to fight the mystery box
You should know better.
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>>4755057
I hope so
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>>4755060
>hinting at hunger
There's more than one way to 'eat' somebody.
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Can i roll now? I need to leave.
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>>4755056
I think Hecate taught Medea so she may hook her up with real AoG Foundation instead of a Grail reproduction that needs magical energy. Authority requests dont incur energy attrition for illegal use of resources iirc.
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Rolled 351 (1d1000)

Who’s ready to FUMBLEEEEEEE
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>>4755069
If you must.
Fuck it, I may even make it higher than Bo5.
Maybe.
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>>4755067
Based dragon
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>>4755062
I would have thought anons had learned to become appropriately paranoid after all the messes we've narrowly avoided today, but oh well.
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>>4755073
Bo10
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Rolled 928 (1d1000)

>>4755073
ok

Sorry if i get a bad one.
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fuck it.
Early Call.
Bo5?
Best of 10.
D1000.
Let's see if you can summon somebody decent with that.
Because brother, you're gonna need it.
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If one of you rolls a 900+ before the qm calls I'll be quite cross.
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>>4755080
oh fuck
lets go
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>>4755081
GIVE ME LUCK
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>>4755080
WAIT AND HOPE, WAIT AND FUCKING HOPE
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>using CS is a bad idea
>messing with circles ELIXIR is actively working on is great idea
?
I really hope gachafags get deconstructed.
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Rolled 492 (1d1000)

>>4755081
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Rolled 854 (1d1000)

>>4755081
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>>4755081
Does this >>4755051 count or do I roll again?
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>>4755080
And now we HOPE.
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>>4755092
Ehhh, if you want to roll again, I guess you can?
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Rolled 569 (1d1000)

>>4755081
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Rolled 231 (1d1000)

>>4755081
>>4755097
Eh, why not.
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Rolled 116 (1d1000)

>>4755081
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV7w6UdpZdE
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Rolled 564 (1d1000)

>>4755081
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Rolled 819 (1d1000)

>>4755081
Bap
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Seriously though if it's Edmond Dantes, we have an answer to the situation we're stuck in
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>>4755080
This looks pretty okay.
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Highest is 928.
All we can do is wait and hope.
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This rolls are all over the place, god damn.
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>>4755114
It's almost as if they were made by some kind of random number generator.
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>>4755080
is this the power of illya?!
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Thinking about it, Shinji’s type must be emotionally damaged/stunted/starved women
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>>4755088
Coomers and gachafags will be the end of us.
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>>4755126
"starved" indeed
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>>4755121
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>>4754989
>>4754996
>>4755010
>>4755016
>>4755021
>>4755030
>>4755036
>>4755033
>>4755042
Guys Hopeman can escape shit
Guys our Enkidu can escape shit
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>>4755137
Enkidu is stuck outside the accelerated time. 16.5 mins to 1 sec. It has been less than a single second since we disappeared.
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>>4755121
Hmmm. Not bad if true.
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>>4755081
Come! Save us!
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>>4755137
Depending on what happens next, we can destroy the other Chamber before Orochi comes knocking and we get Hopeman to rip us out, this is if we Luck out and actually get him, chances are looking good though since he's a servant connected to fire and we're in the fire chamber
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>>4755152
I feel like a party pooper, but I'm going to be extremely disappointed if Hopeman saves our ass like that. It'll mean that nothing we did mattered. All the plans, the preparations, the autism, all for nothing. All we had to do was walk in, steal one more servant sent to kill us and roll the gacha with zero thought. Losing was nothing but an illusion.
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>>4755157
Are you aware that without all the plans we would have died long ago
We arent even sure if its going to be that easy.
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>>4755157
Hopeman just gives us a means to escape and we're getting ahead of ourselves too
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>>4755159
Would we? Or is the QM quietly rearranging things after the fact to make it seem that way? Did we really need to cut off our arm? Or did the QM decide it had been needed after we decided to cuti it off. We've gone from victory to victory with concentrated autism, but what's the point of concentrated autism if literally anything ends up working? Consequences were never real, QM would have rearranged things behind the scenes to make things work.

I'm not saying this is necessarily true right now. I'm saying it'll feel true to me if a gacha roll is all we needed to beat orochi's scheme.
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>>4755168
That can happen in any quest, because we cant know what the QM was thinking at the time, changing things is something that can happen, not sure why you care, its not like we can know.
Just play and have fun.
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>>4755168
We didn't need to cut off the arm because of the aria. I'd say it was already planned and the extra step was useless. If we go back it was said that all the arm thing did was scare assassin.
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>>4755168
QM has no issue putting us in tiger dojo bro
you're getting too paranoid ironically
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Even if we get a servant that can get us out it's not the best decision. A second is 15min I believe so going out and coming back in just gives Orochi more time. I'd rather someone that can collapse the time effect.
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>>4755081
Rolling.....hopefully its not shit (though its a best of 10 it might not count regardless)
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>>4755172
Yes. That's why having choices matter is so important. If this works then no choice we made before recruiting Vitra matters, and the illusion will be shattered for me.

>>4755173
QM said cutting off the arm was faster, and that it was needed. Are you saying he was lying?

>>4755177
When was the last time we went into the dojo? I'd thought we'd been avoiding it with autism, but I won't be able to believe that if the gacha does save us. People didn't even try to do autism instead of the shiny thing, so autism isn't needed after all.
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>>4755188
Goddamnit I fucked it up.

Heres the proper roll....I hope
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>>4755189
>When was the last time we went into the dojo?
in the prison against the Gorgon
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>>4755060
She's hungering for our tube steak man.
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Rolled 81 (1d1000)

>>4755191
GODDAMNIT. I know how I’m fucking up. Leaving the capital d in there.....please tell me I didn’t fuck it up again with this post. I’m on mobile so I can’t delete jackshit
>inb4 this goes into some sort of screencap
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>>4755191
>>4755188
>>4755196
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>>4755189
There isn't a single Servant you can summon here that will enable an easy victory
Even if you rolled a 1000 and summoned Susanoo-no-Mikoto.
Escape isn't exactly something that will end well for you at this point either.
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>>4755196
Please anon, for our sake, don't try to roll dice ever again.
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We are inside a pocket dimension within Imaginary Number Space. Entire complex consists of 4 elemental chambers, main chamber and 8 magical energy overflow chambers afawk.
This is anchored to Earth, entrance here being inside the main chamber, in the normal world it's 1km below our allies.
Majority of ELIXIR's computing power is used to hold this dimension together, time being sped up and working on the summoning rituals. Orochi and probably Paracelsus are directly connected to it.
Orochi is siphoning magic power (thanks to miss jobber) from Gaia, this goes through the anchor to this dimension floating in IMS.

Am I so far correct? I am far less versed in Nasuverse than QM and Niggerman.

If so, destroying/destabilizing the anchor should send Orochi flying through IMS and severing the mana flow, effectively defeating him.
This should be done preferably with us outside. Gilgamesh using Ea should be capable to get through the rocks and blow up the anchor. We could CS Medea and use her for teleporting us out after blowing some shit up so the ELIXIR can't maintain its 1000x speed cheat and has to focus on fixing things up.

Alternatively, find a way to get the best stealth available and sneak under Orochi's nose through the main chamber, get through the gate and close it ourselves.

I don't really see a way to fight Orochi directly as long as he has full power of ELIXIR, and we can't really destroy it. Using BB to hack it would be fun, but then again, I don't trust BB.

Hope this gives you guys at least some useful ideas.
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>>4755189
>I will not believe in the validity of the quest as a game unless X event happens.
Just have some fun and don't worry about it.
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>>4755199
Guess I'll have to wait and see.
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>>4755200
I don’t even know how I got a roll that fucked.....the dice gods either hate me currently or I am incredibly unlucky........christ, be glad 10 people have already rolled and my roll likely won’t count
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>>4755201
>effectively defeating him.
Doubt.
I bet he would use it to Zero Sail and timetravel or teleport somewhere bad. it can be used like that, and dudes a God Zouken
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>>4755196
It's alright bro
don't feel too bad
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>>4755199
>There isn't a single Servant you can summon here that will enable an easy victory
>Even if you rolled a 1000 and summoned Susanoo-no-Mikoto.
Maybe Fate Susanoo wouldn't.
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>>4755201
There are two problems with that:

A) We are inside, with no way to get out without rushing Orochi.
B) Stranding him in imaginary number space with all the power he gathered is very likely to allow him to timetravel across all reality. That's what Chaldea was doing for the latter part of GO, from what I've been reading, and Orochi with his supercomputer is quite certain to be able to replicate the feat.
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>>4755209
>>4755206
>Trying to stop a villain's plan leads to him completing his plan faster, or getting something even better.
Happens too often for my liking.
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Man, Barbatos is really putting in the work with this INS fortress.
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Anyway, you still writing qm?
Or done for the night?
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>>4755206
>>4755209
Yeah that's the part I have no knowledge about, if he's capable to return back after we blow him through space, focusing on anchor is completely useless.
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"Vritra. Come on, I'm not going to use the link just yet. I might be able to use my magic to cut off one of the Summoning Circles from the main system, and then, if I actually use it, it will make repairing the system even more difficult! Not to mention give us an additional ally to face Orochi with!" You... really hope that whatever Servant you end up summoning is one that can actually make some sort of difference in the battle.

You leap off of the elevated platform you're standing on, sticking close to a wall in order to control your descent, With War Goddess wrapped around you in an area running on the principles of the Age of Gods, the increases to your strength are far greater than you could have ever hoped for. Your body is being infused with so much power by the potent Noble Phantasm now it is in an area suffused with the energy of the Gods that you'd imagine yourself to be at around the level of a Servant with physical parameters all ranked at B! You'll have to remember to thank Alcides for lending you this thing after all is done here. It's thanks to this that you're even able to function in the roaring heat of this chamber, at least without shielding yourself with Truth, which really just isn't feasible. What's more, thanks to this Noble Phantasm, your magical energy is being replenished at a far greater rate than it normally would be thanks to your circuits seemingly absorbing the divinity it would otherwise grant you. It's an incredible boost to your strength in all regards.

Vritra follows you, not bothering to control her descent and just landing near one of the walls, cracking the floor with her great strength. You probably could've managed the same thing honestly, but you simply preferred to control your descent and not put all of your faith in the Noble Phantasm strengthening you. You don't want to rely on it for too much, after all. While it may have brought you physically up to the level of a powerful Servant thanks to the nature of this place, it's not like you're always going to be wearing it.

You don't say anything as you lean down to inspect one of the summoning circles. While you aren't specifically an expert on summoning, you know the basics of it. What you are however an expert on is the subversion of the magecraft of other people, and with an apparently unrestricted access to these magic circles, all you'll need to do to break one away from the Summoning Array is to run your magical energy through one of them, locate the points of connection, and sever them. A relatively simple feat for you, honestly. While the energy of this place may be almost identical to the Age of Gods, the basic principles behind these summoning circles aren't all that different from those you are familiar with.
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>>4755210
Hey, remember when we went to stop grandpa from summoning something bad while sending half our people on the fucking fake priest and had him turn into, well, this as a result?
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You close your eyes as you flow your magical energy through the array, though you cut off the connection before it can flow through the dozens of summoning circles. The thing granting the summoning circles the aspect of divinity summoning seems to be the actual composition of the array itself, a singular circle is mostly identical to that of a normal Servant summoning circle, it looks like. You work on severing the single circle from the rest, and with a sound that reverberates through you mentally like the sound of glass shattering, you know that you've met with success. With the connection to the array broken, the magic in the summoning circle suddenly flares to life! You barely have a few instants before you are met with a vision of...

>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.
>...The avenging flames of hope and willpower.
>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.
>...An unbreakable faith, one that won't yield even to flames.
>...An unstable blade reaching a boundless infinity.
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>>4755220
A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.
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>>4755220
>>...The avenging flames of hope and willpower.
HOPEMAN
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And let the battles commence.
>>4755219
I still have no idea why you sent so many people after Kirei, when Rin and Archer alone would've crushed him.
Or why when you see a guy with a summoning circle that is very obviously active and about to be used, you instead focus on giving Gilgamesh a waifu.
Honestly, you made a lot of mistakes in assuming that Zouken wouldn't be able to be a threat anymore.
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>...An unstable blade reaching a boundless infinity.
This is Musashi
>...An unbreakable faith, one that won't yield even to flames.
This is Jeanne
>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.
I have no idea
>...The avenging flames of hope and willpower.
Edmond Dantes of course
>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.
no idea either
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>>4755220
>...The avenging flames of hope and willpower.
WAIT AND HOPE
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>>4755220
>...An unstable blade reaching a boundless infinity.
Musashi?
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>>4755220
>...The avenging flames of hope and willpower.
Come on people. Hopeman is what we were hoping for. Let's do this before the supercomputer disassembles us.
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>>4755224
I was scared of Gil personally, i didn't want to send Alcides and Illya though
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Hopeman strictly isn't the best selection here.
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>>4755209
I was hoping Medea could establish some way to get us out, she could utilize the NP from Gil.
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I think its about time we got a bro instead of another waifu, also cause I don't want Sakura or someone else to strangle us after we've been gone for a second and we comeback with two girls clinging on us

>>4755232
don't care, this might be our only chance to get him, ITS HOPEMAN
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>>4755221
I'm hoping this is Altera
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>>4755224
>Honestly, you made a lot of mistakes in assuming that Zouken wouldn't be able to be a threat anymore.
And judging by this thread a lot of people are underestimating manaka just because she jobbed today. So it looks like we might make the same mistake again im hoping we don't.
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>>4755232
More Musashi wank qm? How could you!
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>>4755241
>Musashi
Ha!
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>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.
Who's this then? we have everyone else figured out more or less, is it Okita Alter?
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>>4755225
>>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.
Thats altera.
i think.
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>>4755240
It wouldn't be a Shinji quest if we weren't overconfident at least some of the time.
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>>4755224
I assume it was a combination of overconfidence, as we'd already foiled Zouken twice without TOO much effort, uncertainty about Rin's new capabilities, and extreme paranoia about the fake priest who was a main villain in the original timeline. Wasn't my plan though, so I'm not really sure.

Giving Gil his girl was a good idea in retrospect, even without apparently wanting to take out Kotomine right the fuck now, but we really could have done it all later.

>>4755232
Let the people Hope WhatIs. Let the people Hope.
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>>4755241
Musashi is zero
Not sure who is this, it isnt sasaki for obvious reasons.
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Wait, Boundless wouldn't be Okita would it?
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>>4755245
Suzuka Gozen has three swords., one steel, one silver, one gold.
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Last update or what time are you calling?
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>>4755256
Last update, this is a pretty big vote.
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>>4755220
>...An unstable blade reaching a boundless infinity.


...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization

I'm thinking this is Atelia the hun.

>>4755219
That wasn't the reason why this went down hill. The reason why this got this bad is so many people wanted Sakura to finish Zouken when multiple people were pointing out that's stupid.
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>>4755257
alright.
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Ok so we have it then

>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.
Suzuka Gozen
>...The avenging flames of hope and willpower.
Edmond Dantes
>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.
Altera
>...An unbreakable faith, one that won't yield even to flames.
Jeanne d'Arc
>...An unstable blade reaching a boundless infinity.
Okita Alter
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>>4755220
>...The avenging flames of hope and willpower.
Not because he's the best, not because he could solve one of our current problems, just because I like him.
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>>4755220

Changing from: >>4755259

To:
>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization

You know what you can't go wrong with more Dakka.
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>>4755259
Come on man. We did not wait for Sakura, so it can't have been the fault of those waiting for Sakura. We did split the party and ended up not having enough power to finish him off right there and then. Splitting the party is why this went down hill.
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>>4755261
Don't know how Hopeman isn't the best out of these bunch unless i'm missing something
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>Making me choose between Okita and Hopeman.
QM, we can just ask Alaya for Okita later right?
...right?
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>>4755267
Go look at the arguments on that thread when I suggested going after Zouken. People were saying wait for Sakura until some one finally pushed it through after the Gil chat.

>>4755268
We shouldn't leave even if Hoprman can get is out. The time Dilation will give Zouken too much time while we attempt to get back in.
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>>4755268
You might be underestimating one of them.
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>>4755271
That requires wasting our wish and going on Janitor duty when we have so many better wishes.
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Hm, if we summon altera and play with a concept, could we possibly get into velber shenanigans?
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>>4755271
well considering that Okita Alter is a counter guardian and Alaya likes us... I think we can strike a deal with her
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>>4755273
This anon is right since i remember arguing with him during that thread. Alot of anons were saying we should wait for sakura since she needed closure.
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>>4755220
>>4755220
>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.

She killed gods. Orochi is technically a divine.
Even if bad end, this should at least give us a hint
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>>4755261
Not seeing anyone advocating for her, so it's probably not needed, but I'd just like to point out that Jeanne will be an extremely, extremely bad fit for our faction and what we plan to do post-war.

>>4755273
Yes, there were people who suggested that. I remember. You would have had a point if we actually waited for Sakura. But they were outvoted. We went after Zouken without waiting for her. You can't blame the people who didn't choose what we did man. It can't possibly be their fault.
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>>4755276
I'm pretty sure she'll be grateful to us after we just kill Orochi and the whole Vritra deal.
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Looked up Okita alter and she is busted. Between her an Alteria is my pick for more Dakka.

Plus I want to have Shinji learn her step tech after the war. I thought we would need our martial art at A+ to get it.
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>>4755284
>Not seeing anyone advocating for her, so it's probably not needed, but I'd just like to point out that Jeanne will be an extremely, extremely bad fit for our faction and what we plan to do post-war
Wouldn't be an issue considering she's only actually useful if she kills herself.
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Man, not a single one of you is going for the obvious one?
I'm really surprised.
Considering just what you're up against.
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>>4755220
>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.
Big brain, now that's some high quality processing power.
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>>4755284
I bring it up as an example of the trend of choosing Waifu's first over the best decision. The story does that a lot forcing desperate situations. I'll admit it's more entertaining then a complete stomp.
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>>4755292
No one even knows what the 3 swords is.
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>>4755290
Useful here, yeah. But she would have opposed us later on, and her super command seals would have been annoying to deal with.

>>4755292
I thought Hopeman was the obvious one. :)

>>4755296
You're bringing it up with a vote where it wasn't the case. What we did ended up badly, but you're blaming those who voted for something else, not those who voted for what we ended up doing.
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So how do we use truth on Alteria to let her pull more power from her alien counterpart without a bad end?
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>>4755300
>Useful here, yeah. But she would have opposed us later on, and her super command seals would have been annoying to deal with.
How would she do that if she kills herself?
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>>4755220
>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.
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>>4755302
...that's a good point.
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>>4755292
we are going with the obvious one, Hopeman
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>>4755220
>...The avenging flames of hope and willpower.
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>>4755298
>The one she wields in her right hand is a regular sword with a pommel and single tassel with an orb,Kenmyouren. The sword floating to her left is completely silver sword with a single tassel,Shoutouren. The sword floating to her right is a completely golden sword with two tail-like tassels,Daitsuuren.

It should be suzuka gozen judging by the description on the vote options.
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>>4755254
>>4755261
>>4755309
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>>4755220
>>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.
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>>4755220
>...The avenging flames of hope and willpower.
HOPEMAN?! LETS GO!
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>>4755261
Alright, the arguments I can think of for each:

>Suzuka Gozen
>By equipping Shoutouren, the Noble Phantasm is able to greatly raise Suzuka's intelligence level.[1][2] Poor sword-handling becomes more refined, and combat skills further expands. Additionally, "Heavenly Demon Rain's" performance increases and use of "Trichiliocosm" becoming possible with all sorts of benefits.
>Trichiliocosm is the third sword Noble Phantasm of Suzuka Gozen
>Combined with Blessing of Wisdom greatly increasing her intelligence, this Noble Phantasm allows Suzuka Gozen to possess high-speed thinking and calculations that can rival even the Moon Cell itself, BB noting that the Moon Cell may have trouble keeping up with Suzuka when she is serious.
She might be able to hack the supercomputer.

>Edmond Dantes
>Not even mentioning his body, Avenger is able to escape from even "abstract prisons such as time and space." Through performing super high-speed thinking, he is able to forcibly reflect that on his body and "subjectively realize a super high-speed action that makes something that seems like a 'time halt' is being employed."
Escape bad when we're inside the time alter, but he'll probably be able to grab Para. Also, it's hopeman.

>Altera
>Photon Ray: War God's Sword is the unleashed power of the Sword of Mars
>The sword of light is, in actuality, nothing but some sort of laser pointer that designates the attack spot. Simultaneously as its True Name is unleashed, a giant light pillar (the real Photon Ray) thrusts itself in against Altera's designated spot from the distant skies above, annihilating a wide area. It's, so to speak, a orbiting satellite laser attack. Because of this property of causing an attack from above, it is useful for attacking strongholds
I don't really see how she would be useful here.

>Jeanne
Rather useless here.

>Okita Alter
>This version of Okita had a intentionally deteriorated Saint Graph, which was set to self-destruct to ensure the destruction of a major threat to the World at the expense of Okita Alter's existence.
Kamikaze grandpa
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>>4755324
There's a way you can make Altera VERY useful.
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>>4755327
I don't think Sefar is what we want here. Or anywhere for that matter.
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>>4755327
you're gonna basically have to tell us who's better and how QM cause I think people are gonna pick Dantes just because they like Dantes
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>>4755333
Surprised that nobody is picking Suzuka, honestly.
I thought she was more popular.
Guess people really like HOPEMAN.
So do I.
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>>4755324
>Only way I can get Okita in is if she Suicide Bombs herself 10 minutes later.
Thanks I hate it.
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>>4755340
Don't forget your concepts, anon.
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>>4755336
I genuinely like the other girls but Edmond Dantes is one of my absolute favorites
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>>4755336
Aside from people liking hopeman i think people are just suffering from waifu fatigue since all the recent servants we acquired are all girls that's probably why no one is going for the girls right now.
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>>4755343
Nah, I like Hopeman too, and if I don't vote for him Altera may win, and that would actually annoy me.
Besides, you said we could always ask Alaya for her, so I'll hold onto hope for as long as I can.
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>>4755347
that too, if we had the chance to summon another servant i'd go for another guy like Male Musashi, King Hasan or Longinus
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>>4755352
At the cost of a wish that can be used better and Janitor duty.
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>>4755370
Eh, hopefully we'll be able to negotiate some terms for Janny duty. Honestly though, I think it'd be fun.
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>>4755336
I actually think Suzuka might be who you meant when you said Dantes isn't the best option. We were lamenting the fact that we didn't bring BB with us to hack the supercomputer, and that we wouldn't be able to trust her with that power. She fixes both issues.

I think Hopeman is the second best. He can't hack the supercomputer by himself, but he can grab Para who can. Will make things more difficult for us, but I Hope we'll manage.

Altera is also tied with Hopeman at the moment, unless I'm miscounting, and I don't see any way she can help us here. Can't fire an orbital cannon when there's no orbit around, and even if it works, either grandpa shakes it off, or it cracks the structure open like an egg and we're left drifting forever in imaginary numbers space.

Hopeman is good enough for me.

>>4755347
That is certainly also at play. The harem is already unmanageable. There are already way too many girls who want to jump our dick, and almost none who don't. Why pour more gasoline into the fire when we have a great alternative?
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>>4755374
Suzuku can hack? I thought she was just a saber.

Plus won't she be useless as a divine Oni like Shuten?

Also can we choose based on qualifications. Hoprman doesn't really have much going for him save escape. Escaping now means time wasted attempting to get in later especially with time Dilation. Okita and/or Altera probably have the Dakka to defeat or injure Orochi. Not sure which has the bigger gun.
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>>4755391
Suzuka has processing power that is at least equal to the Mooncell when she's using her noble Phantasms.
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>>4755370
I'm already hoping to break Redman's and Saber's contracts.
Okita's contract ends with her suicide bombing herself out of existence.
I think that Alaya likes us enough that we'll be able to negotiate something for all of them easily enough.
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>altera
>ended a texture
>ending
>ending of orochi

it's all coming together
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>>4755397
I want to ask for EMIYA, EMIYA and TOHSAKA.
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>>4755395
So if we choose her we'd have to add a concept that protects her divinity or turn her human. The get her somewhere she can hack Orochi's supercomputer.

>>4755220

Changing from:
>>4755259
To:
>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.

Ok here's to hoping she can dig us out by hacking and people give her a chance to make this a stomp. Hopeman only gives Orochi more time, Okita and Altera is more Dakka. I guess this is the smart option.
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I might make a new best girl (Romance candidate only) poll tomorrow.
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>>4755438
Multiple choice right?
And don't forget Satsuki pls.
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>>4755220
>>...The avenging flames of hope and willpower.
We need a bro for the up coming Shinji-bowl anyway and Shirou will too be busy fucking Saber.
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>>4755501
Waver
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>>4755438
My vote is going for Medea.
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>>4755520
good taste
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I feel like romance polls might shift since Sakura has had some focus again and she's technically our girlfriend now

>>4755501
Dantes might be busy fucking Haydee
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Ah yes, Dantes, the king of jobber avengers
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Please let Altera win. These plebs don't know any better.
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Goddamn it. I don't know enough about these servants to make an educated vote.
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>>4755556
one of them is an edgelord and the other are an assortment of QT waifus
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>>4755519
Will be too busy getting ass-fucked by Iskander.
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>>4755556
musashi is a vagabond with tits that the nips jerk themselves off over
dantes is a danganronpa clusterfuck
okita is based and stupid fast
suzuka gozen is fox swordswoman with a lot of power and a silly JK theme
Jeanne is a janitor that can only smile
and finally; Altera, who has a magic stick that calls down a laser beam that's basically used to tell a particular area to go fuck itself. This makes her the best choice for a big opponent
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>>4755530
She's our sister still.
That kiss we shared was purely for giving her magical energy.
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>Suzuka
She can think really fast with her swords. Not that much else we can do with her.
>Dantes
He is really great but I am not seeing much use of him here.
>Altera
Conceptually strongest out of them all. Could even be summoned as Foreigner because of us.
>Jeanne d'Arc
Really unsure about her.
>Okita Alter
Incredibly tempting. Alaya might have juiced her up a bit extra to help us.
>>4755220
>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.
Trash those gods again, please.
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>>4755560
>She hugs you tightly from behind for a few moments, before she reluctantly lets you go, understanding that things are still dire. While you wouldn't mind spending hours like that, with so much at stake, neither of you can spend the time it would need to figure out your apparently now romantic relationship
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>>4755220
Couldn't we summon Okita Alter and add the concept of resurrection to her?
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>>4755327
Civilization Erosion, right? It is insanely powerful if Altera is not playing around.
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on one hand I want Altera for the Extella trifecta, on the otherhand, edgy boi, really, if we have another chance to do a summon, i would make the smarter choice instead of the choice of one of my favorites
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>>4755220
>>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.
I'm just gonna trust what seems to be the consensus.
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Dear anons, if we're working with concepts here then think of this; A civilization could be called the "world" as you know it, and to anyone cut off from the modern world, they might even think whatever lives in the modern world might not even be human. So if we're using a conceptual power, Altera might be a "world" ender, which should be perfect against Orochi's "world" power he's after
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>>4755587
If she is summoned with stronger connection to Velber she might outright take control of part of this world and Orochi`s new shiny supercomputer. Velber did just that in Extella, almost taking over and consuming Moon Cell in a few minutes.
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>>4755218
yw for the sash fellas

What an interesting day to miss.

HOPEMAN makes his own luck btw, his Luck stat is literally ?

>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.
Not sure yet, will read on from here.

>...The avenging flames of hope and willpower.
Edmond Dantes from the Danganronpa series

>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.
Attila. Very loyal, very robot like servant actually. She gradually warms up to you though as she just wants to live a normal life.

>...An unbreakable faith, one that won't yield even to flames.

John Dork

>...An unstable blade reaching a boundless infinity.
Nigkita Alter
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>>4755220
>A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization
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>>4755560
Yeah, and Shirou and Artoria are fucking like rabbits for the sake of energy efficiency.
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>>4755595
>>4755261
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>>4755220
>...An unstable blade reaching a boundless infinity.
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Is Atilla winning? Please I hope to whatever God is listening it's true.
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>>4755220
>>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.
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Although, I wonder just that kind of Altera would that be.
Will we get more Velber because of our Foreigner qualification?
If somehow Moon Cell is around would that mean we just established connection with it?
Or would we get just normal civilization destroyer?
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I like HOPEMAN the most, not as the best choice for this but I love Donte. We could give him the concept of Piety and crank the rank of Monte Cristo Mythologie way above it's current C by making it True Holy Flames - also granting him the gifts of the Holy Spirit. He has already earned through his life all but 2 things which comprise the gifts of the holy spirit, which are:

>sapientia - Wisdom
>intellectus - Understanding
>consilium - Counsel
>fortitudo - Fortitude
>cognitiō (or scientia as in the above scripture) - Knowledge
>pietas - Piety
>timor Domini - Fear of the Lord

Give him Piety and he should by default the last, giving him the Authority of a True Apostle, not the disgusting vampire menace that have taken on the name but one of Jesus' direct students. So chuck in some potential Jacob's Limbs fighting style etc.

Donte is somewhat religious, seeing as he trained under Abbe Faria. Unfortunately while he kept his Hope, he did lose his Faith in the Chateau DÍf. Giving him Piety will return what he lost without corrupting his being.

He might even end up HOPEMAN Blanco as the black flames of vengeance become Holy Flames of Divine Punishment.

We can also have him give Betty all of his memories of Haydee and recreate her perfectly. Haydee was lost as she wasn't important enough to be recorded into the throne so her soul went into the reincarnation blender unfortunately.

Suzuka is ehh.. I like her character but I'm very much over continually adding women at this point in time. She'll also be suicide bombing to keep her NPs active enough to make a difference. She is probably the smartest pick right now as she might be able to hijack more summoning circles though, or destabilise the entire array. Unfortunately we just got the token gyaru and I don't want her around causing artificial drama by being such a whore if she survives this.

Attila is an incredible beat stick. If we hadn't already amassed so many I'd pick her for raw power no question. She's extremely loyal and qt but waifu overload and unnecessary. I got home too late and I see the divinity was removed but I was going to suggest Surtr of all things to just fuck Orochi's shit up. Without eating fenrir he's a lot less cancer and he can be controlled. Just give him a woman to simp to. He's a big candidate for fire. Alternatively Vulcan so we could bonk Orochi with Marmydose seeing as he could turn the whole array into a forge and as he's not a frontline fighter Goddess of War buffed Shinji could start pulling weight in melee with all his manifested weapons and maybe even get a personally made NP.

Okita can be collected from Alaya ez, a lot of the rest of these servants are harder to roll besides Attila as Ares' Sash is a good catalyst. She smells Ares!Mars and wants to shit in his mouth again.

Jannu is really really shit, suicide is her only use, she's very much morally against our faction. Luminoiste Eternal would be good if Sakura didn't exist.

TL:DR

>>4754938
>Bring me Dantes
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>>4755638
This autism was exactly 3k characters long. I hope someone claps for me. Been bottling it in all day on placement unable to check the thread.
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>>4755638
Alternatively give HOPEMAN Faith, which should also unlock the last 2 missing Gifts of the Holy Spirit and let him tap into the Treasure of Christ at maximum potential.
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>>4755638
Surtr of all things to just fuck Orochi's shit up. Without eating fenrir he's a lot less cancer and he can be controlled. Just give him a woman to simp to.
I wonder if he’d take a fancy to Medusa, given their shared cursed mystic eyes.
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>>4755638
Impressive autism. Hope he wins too.
Don't really understand why everyone wants Altera all of a sudden. It's not like we're lacking in destructive options, and we already have way too many women jumping at Shinji.
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>>4755651
OOOOOOOOOOOOO MEDUUUSSAAAAAAAAA
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>>4755638
Based Niggerman voting for quest quality over powerlevels.
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>>4755655
I still don't like Hags (True) to that one anon who called me unbased.

Noeggs makes my benis soft
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>>4755653
Yeah, especially since we pretty much never straight fight anything and already have so much raw power on our side.
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>>4755661
>Noeggs
What?
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>>4755666
no eggs, Satan.
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>>4755638
fucking based, hope he wins cause I want a bro, wouldn't mind if Attila wins but we have too many women in the group as is, maybe add some guys here and there
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>>4755666
Women that allowed their eggs to disappear over time and no longer have any to offer.
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I still don't understand why so many people are voting for Altera. Suzuka can hack the supercomputer. Hopeman can grab Para who can hack the supercomputer. What does she bring to the table that we don't already get from Vritra?
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>>4755685
Bc she's best grill you autist. Fuck off
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>>4755686
Really?

Also, nigga, if you're still around, you linked to the wrong prompt.
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>>4755685
Probably because What said Dantes isn't the best for this situation.
>>4755686
Last time I checked, her name wasn't Satsuki.
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>>4755691
I am absolutely certain he meant Suzuka, who can hack the supercomputer, is the best for this situation.
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>>4755689
I'm retarded

>>4755220

>>4755638
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>>4755691
He literally said Suzuka is the best and i think only one person voted for her, Dantes is 2nd best
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>>4755638
surtr is too malicious to really have as one of our allies, especially since I know he'd instantly raze the current texture out of just being compelled to do so.

He's also got primordial fire going on, which is like having a drop of the sun walking around.
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iirc Gilgamesh was equally matched with Altera, own her huge favour and was under her command in extella.
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>>4755698
We're in Orochi's world, so it would be basically what Attila would do but on a whole other scale.
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>>4755701
It looks like I was mistaken, altera won't just slice away a texture or world, it seems as though she's a defeated herald for Velbar, but has none of the power really. With Truth, we might be able to solve that issue, but out of all of these choices, okita, suzuka and altera seem the best. I'm going for altera, and have already voted it.
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>>4755327
The sash?
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>>4755701
Would Altera's orbital laser even work in imaginary numbers space? And would we survive the attempt if it does? Also, yeah, good call on Ares's sash. It's funny that it was the only thing out of all our preparations to actually help us here.

>>4755702
My ranking of them according to usefulness here would be Suzuka>Dantes>Okita>>>>>Altera>>>>>vast gulf>>>>>Jeanne.
Vritra can already wreck the place. I don't think another beatstick is what we need to get out of this mess.
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wait, what was the roll even for specifically?
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>>4755714
Servant quality, I assume.
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>>4755714
Quality of Servant.
This summoning was from a pool of all fire aspect Servants with no class restrictions.
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>>4755714
Suzuka, Donte, Okita were discussed in thread

I happened to suggest Jannu earlier but she's kinda obvious in flames + Blessed Circuits catalyst

Attila was probably from the natural 900ish roll. Fire fits her nature in a way conceptually but mostly Ares' bandana
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>>4755702
My one main issue with Altera other than not wanting unga bunga right now is that Velber is really bad news. We really don't want to beckon that in
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>>4755721
we have a second chance at Jeanne, Okita Alter can be got later through Alaya, I think someone mentioned the sash can work as a catalyst for Atilla? Not sure. Really, the only servants that we might miss are Suzuka and Dantes
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>>4755731
I did ye.

The sash offers you first and foremost
>Hippolyta
then likely
>Alcides
then other Amazonians so Penth etc.
Then Attila, or maybe even equal first as she btfo out him so hard and she was the last person to really interact with Ares
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>>4755734
Actually further reason to put it first for Attila.

It's specifically Alcides' copy. Which means its the spoils of war. Which connects it to Attila yet again, as she also stole his sword
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compensated dating gf is best pick with her powers but good luck getting her to do something thats not ntr
>>4755731
book store can give us Dantes and Shirou can give us Suzuka
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>>4755742
i sometimes forget we can just summon mostly anything with Shirou
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>>4755740
>spoils of war
conquering caster Altera?
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>>4755742
The bookstore method might just give us the author
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>>4755756
Dumas is based and would make Gil fume when his fakes are superior to the original
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>>4755756
>>4755742
Bookstore will give you Monsieur Dumbass
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>>4755765
shakespear can get yeeted back to the throne
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>>4755770
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas
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>>4755765
>>4755773
oh god he is perfect
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>>4755773
fug wrong bookman
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>>4755220
>The avenging flames of hope and willpower.

Coomers will be the end of us.
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>>4755220
>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.

You bros need me to post the autism abouut what Trichiliocosm does and how much processing power it is? Also, if Suzuka uses her NP long enough, she can surpass the Moon Cell.
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>>4755792
Long enough means like more than a few seconds/half a min.
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>>4755792
Sure post it some anons including me are undecided on what to vote for.
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>Although she is classified as one, Altera's combat abilities surpass those of Heroic Spirits.[1] Upon ascension, she mentions that her current vessel is harmonizing with her main body, and even upon reaching maximum ascension, she says that her strength is still limited by her vessel.[1] According to Mash, Altera's enormous Magical Energy rivals that of a Dragon.[18]Lev Lianur also regards Altera as the strongest hero, and he was certain that she would defeat Ritsuka's party even though they had just defeated Romulus as he had prepared Altera's summoning in advance as a contingency plan, should Romulus ever be defeated.[8]
>Civilization Erosion (EX Rank): A subconsciously active Skill of the Heroic Spirit Altera. Anything in Altera's grasp is transformed into its best form currently most suited for herself.
>Mash also stated that Lord Chaldeas wouldn't be able to block it on its own
forgot that shit
Suzuka prob more useful but idk if she show us her NPs on first date without compensating her
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>>4755792
Let's start with what Blessing of Wisdom. It is said that: "A skill that would originally be treated as a Noble Phantasm.
A Noble Phantasm that can drastically raise INT by equipping the Shoutouren, which is said to have been forged by the bodhisattva of sagacity."

Why is this important? It was forged by a bodhisattva, also translated as a Deva.

What is a Deva? In Nasu we know the following as per 9 Tails Tamamo who is that level, and Saver from Extra who is Buddha.

"And a Bodhisattva is a Deva that bears an existential scale on the level of the Universe,
easily capable of administration something on the scale of the Solar System."

This is a Solar System as in the entirety of the Human Order, as all the apprehensions and vision of what humans see is also part of it.

What is a Trichiliocosm, which is her Noble Phantasm?

"A skill that would originally be treated as a Noble Phantasm.
By exposing Suzuka Gozen’s favorite sword - the Kenmyouren - to the morning sun, it is possible to create and survey the trichiliocosm (all worlds, including parallel worlds) in the blade.
...Suzuka Gozen does not reveal what sort of meaning this has.
If employed for a long period of time, her qualifications as a Heroic Spirit will be revoked."

Trichiliocosm is a buddhist concept that refers to a "billion-fold universe", so in this case a conservative estimate is a billion Solar Systems worth of Adjacent Worlds in totality acknowledged and calculated.

The amount of information that encompasses is illustrated by the following:

"That is to say, the ceaseless proliferation of Adjacent Realities may eventually exceed the capacity of the Dimension.

Adjacent Realities are as a necessary existence, but they cannot be let to [enter into] excess.

It's a very rough estimation, but should the Earth persist at its present level of civilization for another century, it's likely that the Solar System will rupture

"However, the reality is that we live and multiply.
The Solar System hasn't yet dissolved, ( lit. "ease / loosen / relax / alleviate") per the volume of data [generated], and it's likely that it could as of the present manner persist for another hundred million years. "

So, at current sophistication of humanity and current ability to view the universe, a hundred million years of adjacent timeline proliferation would not exhaust the Order. This level of calculation should be possible, if not more

In GO I seem to remember her actually on screen stalling or contesting the Moon Cell, so the statement of "maybe surpassing the Moon Cell" if she leaves on the NP long enough is not all hyperbole. Only danger is that she may cease to be a Heroic Spirit and become a bodhisattva I guess.

She could just hack the Photonic Crystal, she's also the daughter of a Demon King of the Fourth Heaven.
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>>4755792
Read >>4755324 and
>While the details are unknown, Suzuka has an incredible amount of processing power. Even BB is shocked by by this, estimating that her calculation speed might be superior to the Moon Cell itself.

But I don't see Suzuka as having the remotest chance of winning at this point.
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>>4755811
The Three Thousand Worlds/Trichiliocosm could conceivably also refer to a given Tree of Time as per nasu cosmology, just for completion's sake. We aren't sure which is true, but the scale exists.

Also, Altera is only useful if you activate her Velber mode and that's a game over by itself bros.
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>>4755805
I also don't know if we'd trust Altera's Velber esque civilization erasure. It assimilates concepts and techniques, but unga like just blasting her or fisting her with no technique goes through.

It's how OG Velber got Holy Sworded. It was implicated to be Excalibur which is just a Sword of Amplification in this function, so it was simple enough. Orochi is just going to blast her with his fuck off amounts of energy taken from the Planet.
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>>4755813
>>4755817
JK gf is the easiest for Sakura to eat if we are thinking about after Orochi too
HOPEMAN, Okita Alter, Altera and Jannu are hard to swallow
idk if it matter since Sakura Tiamat countered hard by Vrita
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>>4755817
It's a lost cause anon. WhatIs practically told us Suzuka is the best option >>4755395. Hopeman is obviously second best. And people still want their waifu Altera. Only she and Hopeman have a chance at winning after so many votes.
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>>4755825
Fucking cursed
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>>4755825
We don't really want Sakura to be eating the people who help us.
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>>4755220
>>4755228
Switiching to
>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.
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>>4755821
desu Altera is like vessel of Velber as one of its arks and anti-cell
she is the best one to add concept to her
maybe all those asha anons will have good idea about that
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>>4755825
Sakura wouldn't eat your allies.
Unless you told her to.
But then if you told them, Vritra or Shuten would also eat whoever you asked them to.

You aren't about to ask any of them to do that though.
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>>4755222
>>4755220
>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.
switching. fuck it, maybe Suzuka will give us a chance to summon EVEN MORE servants so everyone can have their chance to summon the servant they want which includes Altera and Hopeman
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>>4755834
Do we count as being in Japan still? Fame Bonus?
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>>4755827
>>4755828
>>4755834
but those awful homewreckers clinging to her oniichan
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>>4755837
Japan is the closest area to you.
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Our magical energy regen is up 1 minute from Ares Sash, right? We can support a few Servants.
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>>4755842
>thousands of meters underground
>huge magic thing going on
>funky elemental stuff

Are we just in Agartha
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>>4755833
Why pick the servant we MIGHT be able to upgrade into being useful without blowing us up when we can just pick one of the two who will surely be useful right out the gate? Velber is really bad news.
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>>4755811
>By exposing Suzuka Gozen’s favorite sword - the Kenmyouren - to the morning sun, it is possible to create and survey the trichiliocosm

No sun here for JK to use

She might actually be able to observe the Trichiliocosm because of that minor detail

Wait and Hope[/poiler]
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>>4755846
She can use Trichilio in the Moon Cell even if it doesnt have the sun out/doesn't have gawain's hack going.

The sun just randomly appears anywhere to shine on it.
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>>4755844
girl power bonus?
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>>4755847
do we get instant Tamamo summon because of it?
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>>4755848
4/5 of those summons are female, we mostly have female teammates, and we have 2 in one with Sakura/Tiamat.

Jesus fuck we ARE in Agartha
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>>4755792
alright supporting this anon and his highschool sweetheart
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>>4755850
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>>4755851
This count without being linked to QM post?
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>https://www.poll-maker.com/poll3595682x98774767-108

Here it is, tell me if there is anybody missing from the list, I may have overlooked someone due to lack of coffee.
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>>4755220
>>4755792
>>4755851
here
i hope we get laid if we dead end here
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>>4755861

Medea appears twice as "Medea" and "Medea of Colchis"
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>>4755861
Medea is there twice.
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>>4755862
Disappearing for literally a few seconds and getting laid in that time will almost certainly result in FUN TIMES for everyone.
Sakura has a reasonable limit here.
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>>4755861
>>4755863
>>4755864
twice the medea twice the best girl
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>>4755863
>>4755864
I could've said something like "Intentional" there, because, you know, Argonauts.
But you've net met any of them yet.
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>>4755865
Nothing a kiss can't fix, right? RIGHT?
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>Aoko
>Ayaka
>Taiga
>Akiha
Wait really?
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>>4755869
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>>4755871
Just because you never pursued them, doesn't mean they aren't candidates at all.
Though I can't say I recommend pursuing at least one person on that list.
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>>4755865
>Sakura has a reasonable limit here.
it would be cool if she told us what it was
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Unless I'm miscounting something, votes currently show Altera and Hopeman tied at 8 each, with 6 for Suzuka.

>>4755865
She doesn't even know we kissed Medea and Shuten today!
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>>4755865
ummm i might need Vrita to teleport me to other world asap
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>>4755872
Suzuka has a big brain and managed to infiltrate Otakemaru's holdings. She can manage an internal takeover
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>>4755874
RIP to Gil but he's gonna get cucked one way or the other
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>>4755878
Sakura can unseal Tiamat's Independant Manifestation.
Wherever you go, she will follow.
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>>4755874
going for Taiga breaks the dojo?
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>>4755874
Not a problem bro, I wouldn't want to waifu Test Vote myself anyway.
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>>4755882
That's actually pretty good for our Rin and Vritra based Adjacent World travel plans. We might need some Beast class firepower.

Also, does that mean that she would time travel backwards if we died ultra hard? Since it should be able to do that.
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>>4755861
>Pick 8
why would you use this specific number I wonder...
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>>4755882
heh good luck ill be going to Awakening and she cant reach it anymore
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>>4755882
>spoiler
I'm so happy to hear this!
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>>4755882
>Wherever you go, she will follow.
so is the only reason why she isn't here right now because only like 2 seconds passed outside?
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>>4755890
1 second is 16.5 minutes. We've been here for less than ten minutes. Those outside have barely had time to blink yet.

Also, I assume she hasn't unsealed it yet and it will take some effort.
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>>4755888
>>4755882
If only we could have purely Tiamat herself...
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>>4755890
Pretty much.
>>4755887
Sweets better not just disappear for months on end again without a word otherwise I'll stop considering his request not to use Awakening.
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>>4755893
If you asked Sakura kindly enough, I'm sure she'd be willing to temporarily let Tiamat be the one in control.
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>>4755899
guess Tiamat is never gonna be in control then
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JK Fox or Dantesronpa, hmm
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>>4755899
Okay actually based. Tiamat should really get to experience things "first-hand" sometimes. I am also pretty sure hosting the Authority of Life made Sakura immortal so we need something too.
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>>4755901
JK GF will use her mobile phone and send pics
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>>4755901
JK Fox can likely eventually get us Hopeman anon, jump on the train, this is a long term big brain strategy
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>>4755903
And then we suddenly have Tiamat at 99/100 with Sakura seething inside her.
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>>4755901
I seem to remember being told that escaping isn't really a good idea, so that reduces Dantes value imo. While Suzuka has a Photonic Crystal thing ala Moon Cell right there to contend. Or hijack more elements/summoning circles.
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>>4755906
she's likely already at 99/100 considering she's living through Sakura and Sakura has complete tunnel vision for us
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>>4755220
>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.
Let's go for the JK nopan fox. I Hope (eh) that we can get Dantes another time.
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>>4755906
I see zero downsides bro
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>>4755908
Escaping isn't a good idea because of the time dilation. But Dante can also run at Flash speed. He'll probably be able to yank Para.
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>>4755906
That's how you break how the entire system is meant to work and manage to get Beast II/L and Beast II/R
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>>4755912
based
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>>4755914
If we can manage one yandere I'm sure we can manage two.
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>>4755914
Only Beast 3, 5 and 6 come in pairs
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>>4755917
That's why I said you'd break how the entire system is meant to work.
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>>4755914
Do we become Crowley Pseudo Get it, Master Therion, Lord Beast
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>>4755917
Holmes is a Beast? What?
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>>4755916
>one yandere
we have a lot yanderes
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>>4755921
Like 99% a Beast or 1% some kind of ultra Foreigner
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>>4755922
Do we? I only consider Sakura a yandere.
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>>4755913
now that everything is almost tied up, what can i say to convince you to switch to JK Fox?
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>>4755919
brainrot

>>4755921
Possiburu, you can ignore holmes if you want that one is more a theory. He's more likely an Outer God, Hastur if I were to guess
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>>4755926
Nah, Euclid from Requiem is Hastur, not confirmed but very hinted.
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>>4755925
Absolutely nothing, because Altera wins if I switch. I know Suzuka is our best option here, I've been saying that since yesterday night. But I think Hopeman is good enough, Altera is a bad option, and I can't risk it.
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>>4755924
some girls are really invested and obsessed
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>>4755928
DUDE NON-EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY
Please tell me they had a better reason to make Euclid a Foreigner than that.
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Fair enough.

>>4755220
>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold

Vritra AND Suzuka? Wew thanks WhatIs
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>>4755929
JK Fox got an extra vote, so if you switch it gets tied up

>>4755926
what can i convince you to switch to Suzuka?
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>>4755928
He has a few avatars though, King in Yellow aspect is very likely Holmes. Holmes has had longer story presence and foreshadowing than requiem just hamfisting it in
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>>4755933
>Better reason
>Nasu
Hahaha, nice one.
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are we still benching Arc after we are done?
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>>4755924
Many girls who have fallen for you would immediately take the Yandere route if they thought it would win them your heart.
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>>4755938
now its tied up and your vote would put it over the top anon
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>>4755934
There's also Okita Alter as an option if you would prefer.
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>>4755934
>Vritra AND Suzuka? Wew thanks WhatIs
>not one but TWO new girls 2 seconds after onii-chan disappeared
Sakura is going to be very pleased.
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>>4755940
i mean, they wouldn't be wrong since part of the reason why we went with Sakura was because she would probably have a mental breakdown if we denied her
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>>4755940
name the best girls
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>>4755935
I want to give HOPEMAN back his Faith.

I know Suzuka is the "best" option but its also less entertaining

I genuinely don't want Altera here as it's a waste. Donte doesn't come along often because if you use the book you just get the Dumass
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>>4755936
I mean. Euclid chants "Iä! Iä! vulgtmm...vugtlagn" and vulgtmm is Hastur chant iirc.
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>>4755948
I don't count on requiem for subtlety
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>>4755947
I want Hopeman too but I really think that Suzuka is the greatest long term plan, her fuckery could have us hack Wormpa's summonings further and give us the chance to summon another servant, potential Edmond Dantes
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>>4755933
I don know but she calls things Euclidean or non-Euclidean depending on if she likes them or not haha.
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>>4755943
>>4755944
tee bee haitch they don't have to be shinjib owl entrants, it's already borderline unmanageable as is

finna try a Vritra Blanco next. does she mostly look the same, QM?
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>>4755941
You really want that fox, huh?

Well, there's no danger of Altera winning now, probably, but I'll keep voting for hopeman. The nigga is right, he'll be more entertaining. Sorry.
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>>4755948
Why on Earth would Foreigners be made possible to summon through that stupid fucking wish to give everyone a Servant anyway?
I guess the fact that summoning evil Divine Spirits wasn't bad enough news.
What's next, is somebody just going to summon a Beast?
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>>4755947
We're already popping over to Yurop for the Clocktower and Mode Red's conquest, a quick plane over to France and we just go down to the Chateau D'If's deepest dankest cell and we're good to go (maybe)
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>>4755951
I know, I say that in my most recent autism thesis but I don't know if WhatIs will go for the narrative possibility of turning the summon circles into a gacha session like me when I chargebacked $500 to get Dante and got got nothing AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA fuck you aniplex didn't pay a cent for your kusoge
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>>4755956
>What's next, is somebody just going to summon a Beast?
umm well about that
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>>4755953
She does mostly look the same, but if you want a proper description, I suppose her hair and eyes are a little paler.
I probably should have mentioned her physical changes in the story itself.
But creating her Character Sheet alone drained me.
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>>4755953
>they don't have to be shinjib owl entrants
You really think that's an option? Approximately 90% of the girls we meet want to jump our dick after approximately five minutes. I'm beginning to think that anon was right about Beloved of Alaya, and we're low-key brainwashing everyone we meet just by existing.
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>>4755959
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
thank you, Tiamat, really cool
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>>4755960
Oh for fucks sake.
Where the fuck are the types.
Purge that entire fucking stupid worldline.
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>>4755944
She's literally never gonna leave us alone anymore now
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>>4755960
Kama was a genuine possibility from the fire circle. Shiva obliterated her body with his flames when she woke him from his meditation, which then manifested in her Ananga Ranga skill of impermanence as she was basically atomised across the universe
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So, are we voting for altera, suzuka or dantes?
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>>4755967
And of course a sakuraface would gravitate to her ni san
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>>4755962
To be fair, some of these girls fall for an emotionless camera with only 4 word long responses and the amazing ability to be completely worthless despite being surrounded by multiple Servants who should be happy to either lend them some equipment or train them..
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>>4755968

>>4755638

Suzuka is smart, HOPEMAN is slightly less smart but more based, Altera is grug
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>>4755968
Suzuka is the logical choice.
Dantes is the fun choice.
Altera is the unga bunga choice.
Pick your prefference anon.
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Alterafrens, how do you suppose she fixes this situation without grugging the crystal and nuking Japan for a third time or bringing Velber down as the NG+ version of the Orochi superboss side quest?
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>>4755971
I like altera, but not sure how to make her very useful like the QM implied.
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>>4755966
>First time she leaves us alone was the helicopter ride
>In the meantime, we get two new daughters and kiss two girls
>Second time is right now
>We come back after literally two seconds with one or two new girls who want to jump our dick.
>All in a single day.

>>4755970
Even if it's accurate to F:GO, I don't really like it is all I'm saying. The harem is starting to become very not-funny.

>>4755971
Also, unless I'm miscounting, it's currently a triple tie.
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>>4755968
Altera is unga bunga, Suzuka is the smartest choice, Dantes is the bro choice
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>>4755968
Suzuka is based and the correct choice. Nigg and Autist and holding down for Dantes for personal reasons.
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>>4755974
And I actually have ideas for Altera but I want to see what people are thinking before spoonfeeding
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>>4755974
I have been asking that for the past 8 hours or so, my nigga.
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>>4755981
I know, I'm trying again as people are waking up
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>>4755970
But dont you like the representative of common humanity. Its so profound bro, fuck. Its the everyman who can win bro! fuck that hurt to type
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>>4755953
>they don't have to be shinjib owl entrants
Vritra pretty much told Shinji that he has to take responsabilty for what he has done to her and wants to eat him in more ways than one. And I have zero hope in Suzuka not wanting Shinji to be her boyfriend after 45 seconds.
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I also want to megabuff donte with a very fitting autism concept while also giving him a happy end
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>>4755978
the thing is i really fucking want Dantes too but we need to think long term, Suzuka can potential lead us to everyone on this list
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>>4755979
I mean, i just wake up, so not really.
Tell what you think that i will look at the wikis for something else. I guess
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>>4755985
a true happy ending for Hopeman is Haydee, like no exceptions, he'll never be whole without his waifu
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>>4755983
Also, some anon said Mashu said she didn't love him at some point iirc, so the everyman wins every single girl except the one he SHOULD win.

>>4755986
I'm not sure I want everyone on the list either. The cast is more than bloated enough already.

>>4755988
Her soul is gone, but Betty can give him a copy.
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>>4755979
two anons dropped some good ideas earlier
i would go with Yang like anons suggest before if she was on the list
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>>4755988
Betty can do that. Using his memories of her. Real Haydee is in the reincarnation soup and gone forever, so he has the option

>>4755989
Ye I mentioned that in the English server's translation of Ooku Mashu outright says she's never felt love for someone before. Gudakeks btfo

>>4755990
I also suggested Yang lel, I suggested her threads ago for Nyarly even. But she's going against God. My autism aims to buff Dantes directly through God
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>>4755989
A copy lmao. You think Dantes would be satisfied with it?
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>>4755983
If we ever get sent to Chaldea we're giving Ritsuka the concept of potential and then training montaging her.
>>4755984
Stupid sexy voredragon does things to my dick.
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>>4755995
Abby is a copy. Will we love our third daughter any less for it?
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>>4755989
Tomoe (Archer) is still hung up on 'muh yoshinaka-sama', no?

I haven't rolled her summer version though
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Unfortunately we buffed Vrita too much so I don't think we'll get the originally planned for dragon maid
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>>4755994
If you bring back Dantes' faith he will be even less satisfied with a copy. Faith would mean he has to believe what he wants is possible even if it seems impossible, if we go by the interpretation that his faith would be as strong as his mentality.

Also, it's possible to time travel and break Quantum Time Locks but its assloads of power to do so, like what Manaka tried to do in Proto to break Camelot's lock.
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>>4755995
A perfect copy down to the soul?
Why wouldn't he accept that?
Don't underestimate our daughter.
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>>4755998
I already said that I even like Pseudos and have no problem with them.

Do you think Dantes and especially Dantes with his Faith restored would be satisfied with it? Seriously.

The question isn't what I think, but what the character would think.

For you, would you be satisfied with a copy Sakura? or Sakura with a copy Shinji?
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>>4755989
>>4755994
Does this mean we can cuck Gudacuck out of Mash if we wanted?
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>>4756002
If anyone can break them it's him. He is probably unaware of the possibility. Considering his breaking through confides concept + sanic speed he can flashpoint himself into saving her I guess. I wonder what he'd fuck up? maybe that's why we make a copy of her? to leave the copy back in time ij place of the original to avoid butterfly effecting the timelines. copy lives and dies as if she was the real one, Donte gets his genuine mistress back
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Jesus Christ I go to sleep for a couple hours and a whole shit-typhoon brewed up up.
If we pick Suzuka we better permenantly power ourselves up with the Moon Cell Mini after Orochi dies.
So with that in mind.
Switching from>>4755501
to>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.
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>>4756006
Mashu is ..4 ir 6 years old currently if moneybills kept up his child soldier experiments
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>>4755996
Speaking of vore The only art page I have is on Eka's. Make of that what you will.
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>>4756000
>Unfortunately
fortunately
we are under her very personal protection now
>>4756005
>would you be satisfied with a copy Sakura?
are we talking about BB here?
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>>4756007
You can't do it without enough energy to break the Lock. I get it that you're confident in Dantes, but are you saying Root connected Manaka couldn't think of a way to do it?

This isn't a time travel thing where the cosmic mechanics are like that and you can cheat it, the Counter Force will personally fuck you up very hard, even if you come back to the future, since CF is atemporal in that manner.

It's basically getting a Magic by just going 1 vs 1 me bro to the World and walking out to the Root.
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>>4756008
Does this count as linking to QM and a correct vote?
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>>4756007
That's just Chrono Trigger, Niggerman.
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>>4756002
>Faith would mean he has to believe what he wants is possible
It IS possible. Through the daughter of God's representative on earth, namely us.

>>4756005
If Sakura died permanently and irrevocably then a perfect copy would be the best I could hope for. You didn't answer my question about Abby though. And I don't see the relevance to pseudos.

If the character doesn't see it that way, then so be it. But we can offer him the option. And Abby's example shows it can work.
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>>4756012
Vorechads win again.
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>>4756017
>>4756008
>>4755220
>...Three Swords: one of steel, one of silver, and one of gold.
There. Linked to the QM post and everything
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>>4756017
Maybe you should actually like to the post instead of your vote to make it easier to count
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>>4756019
I mean. Do you think a perfect copy is equivalent to an original? That's an actual philosophical question, and I would say it isn't.

Even if everything is a perfect copy, the history and experience, or so to say the continuity of the original, is not preserved unless temporal mechanics are fucked with.

So to me Pseudos and Betty created souls are the same grade of "realness".

Since I view Pseudos as okay, I also view created souls as okay.

This does not mean they are "fake", but they are also NOT the original imo.
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>>4755220
>...The avenging flames of hope and willpower.

So much overnight autism
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>>4755220
Switching to suzuka
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Even if we do get Hopeman's memories transferred to Betty for a replica, will it not just be based off of his perceptions of her?

For the totality of her being we'd have to get Hopeman to timetravel us back, Ctrl-C Ctrl-V her from that point of divergence, and yeet us forward again with the copy.
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can someone explain to me why suzuka? I know little of her.
I'm still trying to think about the QM saying that we could do shit to altera to amke her very useful, but still nothing.
fuck
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>>4756016
If the autism works and he gets full Holy Spirit access that enables miracles. The Apostles performed genuine miracles in their own right but I know I'm reaching. Have Faith
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>>4756018
Neat, I never actually played it but it shows the concepts works
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>>4756025
The way I see it, the person is the soul. Pseudos delete the soul and replace it with something different, therefore they kill the person, therefore pseudos bad.

A perfect copy of the original is indistinguishable from the original. A perfect copy would contain the history and experience, as you say. I see them both as the same person at the moment of creation, until their experiences start do diverge. Continuity is not important to me. You break continuity every time you go to bed.

>>4756031
Abby seemed full enough, and she was based on Betty's memories of her.
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>>4756033
>>4753829
>>4755811
>>4755817
Autism
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>>4756033
She has processing power equal to/greater that the mooncell.
She can help us hack the Mini Moon Cell away from orochi.
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>>4756034
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not even 1500 posts after 2 days baka guys getting sloppy
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>>4756033
tl;dr, Suzuka with two Noble Phantasms gets big brained enough to hack the supercomputer.
Dantes can grab Paracelsus who can hack the supercomputer. He is also extremely based
I still have no clue why we'd want Altera. Turning her into Velber is the obvious way to make her useful against Orochi, and it's also obviously a really, really bad idea.
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>>4756037
Chrono had balls.
Straight up fucking kills the silent (you) protagonist.
You're also after the Saving Kurisu approach from Steins;Gate
Deceive all observers including yourself, deceive the world.
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>>4756041
Did you also make this?

If so very based
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>>4756040
I see.
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>>4756044
>A perfect world of my own creation

It's all IC autism I swear
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>>4756043
Yeah, i know that about altera, its just that the QM >>4755327 implied we could make her really very useful.
So i'm trying to see how, but fuck me, its hard.
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>>4756045
ye
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>>4756050
Grug hit snake!

Snake go splat!
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>>4756051
I'm going to collect this one too and stick it on the fridge
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>>4756052
Lets give Altera Merlin's Excalibur I want to see what happens.
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So what's the vote tally now?
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>>4756052
eh, thats hardly VERY useful like the QM said, but i'm not sure.
Whatever, i may very well just abstain from voting
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>>4756054
If only we had it in this pocket of sanic timeflow
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>>4756055
Last I checked it was a triple-tie, but there have been some new votes and switches between Hopeman and Suzuka. I can say with some certainty that Altera is losing now, but I don't know if it's Hopeman or Suzuka ahead or if they're tied.
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I want WhatIs to chuck a vote in desu, there's heaps in already
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>Sakura and Medea btfoing the rest in best girl poll
Tamamo surprisingly super high.
As is Rin.
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>>4756063
despite all her brain problems fluffy tails are hard to ignore
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>>4756063
Tamamo isn't very surprising to me, she stopped jobbing right after the last poll, and that Emperor who drove her out because of her fluffy ears and tail must have been gay.

Rin is extremely surprising. She got 0 votes in the previous poll, and since then she's seen her sister kiss us and confess to us, and she's kissed her fairy Saberface herself.
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>>4756031
Would that not be Kino though?

We can go fight whatever spawned back in Roa's place

Have you read about the fuckery that Dante experienced in life in Fate/ canon? he was dealing with church factions, fighting the 8th sacrament as well as Dead Apostles. He got tortured by the church at one point, and this was after he left Chateau DÍf
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>>4756068
>Rin is extremely surprising. She got 0 votes in the previous poll,
What kind of alternate universe poll have you been seeing bro.
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>>4756070
Don't mind that anon, he's from a timeline that got pruned for having no taste.
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>>4756070
He's a Sakurafag.
Diametrically opposed to Rinfags.
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>>4756069
To be honest, I would rather vote for Altera and slap a concept of Assimilation on her and then have her eat the entire set up and then eat Sefar in Zero Dark and then eat the other two Velber Bots.
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>>4756063
here how altr*uge can still win...
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>>4756074
vorechads.. I kneel
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>>4756070
It's not surprising to see sakura anon trying to push another one of his head canons.
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>>4756070
https://www.poll-maker.com/results3556443x78294166-107#tab-2
Alright, she got 3 whole votes. She had zero while the Carnival thread was active, and people voted for her AFTER it was pointed that she had zero. I get it, you Rinfags are hurting, but you can't change history.
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Being reminded Rin is bisexual significantly increased her popularity. Stealing from alternative versions of her self to put DUDE into gbj probably helped a little too
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>>4756080
It's surprising if her popularity increased recently, but I get it. Similar to what happened with Tamamo. But you can't deny she wasn't popular at all before that.
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>>4756074
>Shinji emerges from INS with two new waifus that can protect humanity forever through the power of vore after two seconds of IRL time.
Wouldn't Altera with the concept of Assimilation be a nightmare who could eat anyone with a single touch?
Would we need to lock the Vorekillbot in our basement?
Could she eat ORT?
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>>4756074
but can she assimilate Sakura?
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>>4756085
Nah, she'd just assimilate the Velber command codes/urges so she can shut it off.

Its a very compatible concept with her Civilization vore, we'd just buff it and make it encompass more.

I am still voting Suzuka, I just think Altera would be better than Hopeman.

You could also make Altera's concept something like Victory, because she won above basically all the Gods in AoG, and even when she got Holy Sworded she just later tried to hatch again in Zero Dark iirc.
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>>4756089
Yes. Velber defeated every God in in 14,000BCE, so that would include true Gods like Greek Mechachads. They only won in Lostbelt because they Fusion'd, but individually they got BTFO.

Being a Beast class Life deity isn't going to protect Tiamat from being devoured, because an Authority counts as a "civilization technique" that gets absorbed by even normie Altera without Truth steroids.
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>>4756091
he said the forbidden term

you're the first person to offer actual justification for Altera that isn't retarded so far
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>>4756091
Nullification is more likely to protect her than Tiamat I think.
But if she is using her Tiamat powers she'd probably get vored fast.
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>>4756093
Nullification is a technique applied via her magical energy/magecraft. It gets vored.

Only absolutely stone brained basic shit like Aoko's bullets or Mana Burst doesn't get vored.
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>>4756085
>>4756090
>>4756091
Interesting.
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>>4756091
such a beauty
a true saber to protect us
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>>4756095
That's just how she uses it.
Nullification is OP and buffed Self-Seal massively.
Eating Sakura probably won't work or depowers Altera entirely.
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>>4756099
That's some quality cope given Velber-Altera ate shit like Mechachads, OG Orochi, Hindus, Atlantis, etc.

You think she's got better Nullification tech than Atlantis which had magi taught and directly connected to magitech megachads?

Tiamat only didnt devour her because she didn't want to, and she got BTFO by Velber too, she just cant die until all life dies.
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>>4756100
Disclaimer:Not dying doesn't mean Velbervore can't devour her host and then seal Tiamat with the same tech but roided up to Harvest Star levels.
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>>4756100
>Tiamat only didnt devour her because she didn't want
WhatIs has said that without Nullification Tiamat would have started to overwrite Sakura.
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>>4756102
That just means that Tiamat couldn't be inside Sakura even if she didn't want to overwrite her, not that Nullification could stall Tiamat for any amount of time.
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>>4756100
She's got the concept of nullification as applied by Truth so yes?
Godchads can't properly seal Tiamat so they lobbed her deep into gay baby jail.
Sakura can.
Also Tiamat is capable of fighting aliens by WoG.
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>>4756103
That is to say, without Nullification Tiamat being inside Sakura and actively trying to not overwrite her would just mean she gets overwritten slower.

With Tiamat actively holding back+Nullification Sakura still gets bleedover, just not to overwriting amounts
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>>4756103
You just don't like Sakura.
She'd btfo Velber.
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When can we expect the next update?
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>>4756104
Tiamat basically gets kited. Velber eats some Gods and magical civilizations then roids up their Authorities and magecraft then seals Tiamat herself until she kills all life.

This Planet isn't the Harvest Star's first rodeo, as seen in Extella and Extella-Link, and even more so, Sefar isn't a complete invasion force, more like a primitive pacification force or forward scout.

The greater Universe is retardedly dangerous and there is a reason that the aliens we see are shit like MechaChads and Chaos who were fleeing the destruction of their world by an enemy they can't contest and Harvest Star eating worlds.

Current Human Order et al is called the "infantile stage of intelligent lifeforms" as per Clairvoyant autists.
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>>4756106
I like Tiamat tho, and I just think she has compatibility issues in that her main thing is an Authority which is explicitly what Sefar is made to vore amongst other things.

It's like sending up demigods to Nobu in Japan, its just not going to work even tho they're usually stronk.
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>>4756104
Tiamat just no-sells Quetz's Ultimo Tope Patada in Babylonia, and she was heavily sealed when she appears there. I don't know though if, even though Quetz is an ayy, she is using Gaian concepts as a basis form the attack because it's essentially a meteor drop

https://youtu.be/BISRa8EUJhY
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>>4756111
just realised this has taco subtitles gomen
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>>4756109
And we btfo them all.
Nyarlachads where we at?
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>>4756113
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>>4756111
Quetz left her alien credentials when she went trough Gaian Customs.

Everything that assimilated to being a Divine Spirit is not an alien at all anymore, even if they started out like that.

To be more precise, anything that isn't annihilated by the World or shit like Foreigners and True Demons (do they exist outside Kiara? IS Kiara one?) isn't an actual alien. World did annihilate Velber via time travelling Planet Defense Excalibur of infinite Planet support.
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>>4756105
With that I agree yes. Tiamat holding back + Nullification were both necessary. I just disagreed when you said Tiamat ONLY didn't devour Tiamat because she didn't want to. She doesn't want to hurt any of her children, but she can't help it.
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>>4756116
since when does a mexican go through customs on the way in?

disbelief suspended
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>>4756113
Nyarla is too based for anons
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>>4756117
???
It was a power hierarchy statement not a personality statement.

If Tiamat could vore Sakura even with Nullification, and Velber (Not to mention Truth roids Altera) could eat shit like other Authorities, Gods, Systems etc, then Truth Altera could also eat Sakura and then repurpose her Nullification tech to restrain Tiamat because she roids up the stolen abilities until she kills all other life.

This is, of course, excluding bullshit like getting Time Travelling Planet Excalibur'd again.
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>>4756118
Its because Nasu cannot into geography and Quetz is also South American and probably so is ORT if the theory that ORT is Tezcatlipoca pans out, because dude also has lots of Spider imagery and rivalries with Quetz.
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>>4756121
I just realised we only applied nullification on Sakura's inner world.
Not actually on the core of her being.
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>>4756121
Well then, I misread you and I'm sorry about it. I certainly agree that Velber btfos Orochi before btfoing us and everyone else, including Sakura/Tiamat.
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Odd that despite Altera being the grug option no one has bought up the very simple option of giving her the Sash to make Mars even angrier, and let her usurp more of his Authority before even touching on adding a concept. I'm about to go to bed though so I want to see it in discussion before I go rather than hide the option so keep HOPECHAD in the race
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>>4756125
Actually it's my hope and calculation that if we give Altera "Assimilation" she could just eat the Velber command codes in her and free herself. Those are also "techniques" that should count as civilization to eat if Truth roids let her eat her progenitor's stuff.
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>>4756126
I think that would only be useful if we want to lean on her Mars usurpation concept by adding a War concept on her or something.

Assimilation requires to boost her in Velber usurpation instead, so Divinity doesn't do much for my plan for that.
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space marauder Altera
are we tied?
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>>4756127
This is probably our best option of getting a Velber that will not immediately destroy everything, but I'm not confident at all in this going that well for us.
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>>4756124
If we can add another concept to Sakura directly what should we go for?
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>>4756128
She's not far off becoming something like Kratos at that point.

At base she is technically human without Divinity, as soon as she starts eating gods she loses Vrita's protection. Because she's a hammer you're gonna want to [/spoiler]hammer[/spoiler] out a plan in stages of how she'll disable the array before Orochi finishes. Unless you want to her vore the resuling fire room summon, then use that "consumption" concept absorbed from fire to eat the rest

Thread will become vorequest
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>>4756130
I trust in it more than praying for Hopeman to get Holy Spirit. Altera already has the seed for his in her being and is explicitly made to fuck over Gods and Authorities, which is Orochi and Paracelsus' Archei right now. There basically isn't a better compatibility, but I still think Suzuka big brain hijacking the shit is better.

Hopeman 4th place after Okita Alter for me, just apply a concept like Reincarnation or Resurrection or something to her so she can blow up however many times she wants and still be alive.
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>>4756126
Honest, while that is true, the other anon idea of assimilation is quite interesting.
We could do both i suppose.
Also, altera just wants to have a life that is not war, so the would work nicely if we can give her that.
Who the fuck is even winning the vote at the moment
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>>4756127
Imagine doing a return to sender on the Mooncellniggers after infecting their civilization eating robot with Truth Aids.
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count it up jannie!
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>>4756127
>>4756128
if thats true she could just use that to replicate everything she assimilated and change it to suits her needs
she already stole sword of mars and just added herself instinct
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>>4756133
>making Okita alter just a suicide bomber that can explode various times
Oh my.
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>>4756132
Orochi gets BTFO because Nega-Divinity is a Beast Authority type move so it gets vored. Anti-Divinity techniques are still techniques so higher Mystery has priority, Velber is vastly better at that+Truth roids.
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>>4756127
The problem with that is her container limits the amount of power she can pull from her alien self.
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>>4756138
nippon banzai folded 1 mirrion times

>>4756139
I think my worry with this is the same as that one anon's autism screeching about how gacha invalidates the point of all the prep in the quest so its scuffs the payoff, as theoretically voreTera just ggs the secret boss.

What happens to her after the fact? How is such an entity retired safely if she's taken on all these things into herself? Base Altera is a qt autist who just wants to be a wife/live a life free of fighting, but eating all these snakeaids might ruin her.

Everything I type is cope because I'm too biased towards Edmond to discuss this objectively, but I'm only one stubborn vote anyway
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>>4756140
Truth cares little for class containers.
Look at Vritra.
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>>4756140
Truth roids absorb the Archei for Pseudo-Divinity container then backtraces to Velber and eats it while its in a coma in Zero Dark. Easy.
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didnt Altera broke out of Velber's control anyway in the end of extella? she just went larva to reform herself after
it also had pseudo-type Nero
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>>4755220
>>...A destructive flash of the heavens that purges civilization.
I like altera more, but whoever wins can work, i guess.
Also the ideas given here where quite interesting.
>>4756141
Are we sure that would change her personality?
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>>4756146
We'd have to get cunnyAltera specifically for it to be that one I imagine
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>>4756141
Sorry but your cope already has to deal with Beast Candidates Tamamo, Shuten, Shinji, potential Archetype Earth Arc, Actual Beast Sakura-Tiamat, Vritra "helping" humanity, super DA Satsuki, Touko magecrafting the 3rd and making Requiem possible etc.

Still, I respect your convictions even if we are opposed.
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What happens if we apply the concept of Karma to somebody?
Or maybe Finality?
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>>4756141
Altera doesn't assimilate personalities but pure "data" like techniques, Authorities, maybe memories as data etc but no subjectivity.
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>>4756151
This is why actually playing Extella would help, but I hate musou gameplay.

>>4756149
The unironic answer to every single character is "the cock". Eroge base game never fails
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>>4756149
I also forgot Morgan who can do shit like make a magecraft replication of Rhongobongo like what was fired into LB5 that can pierce into other Textures and shit and the personality is that shes Morgan who may have actual magical 3 personalities who are all differently crazy.
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>>4756154
I agree, I just interpreted your cope as thinking it would make Altera too dangerous to the World, so I just said we already have gigashittons of dangerous people around.
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On a scale of 1-100 seething.
What is Zeus' seething level if we take Super Altera to Atlantis lostbelt?
We could also fuck up Megachina with her too.
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>>4756151

>>4756153
we both lose anyway. big brain Enjo kōsai wins

>>4756156
I'm not worried about her being dangerous, just not Altera as a person anymore as I actually like the base character.
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>>4756157
I wonder if Truth roids Altera who vored Velber could just go and eat ORT. Since Harvest Star is already an interstellar threat, isn't she already specializing for eating "alien for her" things?
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>>4756157
make her eat requiem
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>>4756154
Shinji's dick is the dick that will tame Beast 3.
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>>4756160
>Truth roids Altera
she can prob eat Alan since truth is high reality thingy
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>>4756141
I am that autistic screeching anon, and I'm still waiting to see how it turns out. But if the summon we get is all we needed to take out Orochi, everything we did before didn't matter at all. Obeithion, three faces Medusa, Ciel with the lance and shroud, befriending Gil, all for nothing. We'll have essentialy walked into the enemy base with no plan and no backup and still won. What's the point of autism if that's all it takes? How can we be afraid of losing if we win even like that?
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>>4756153
How long till Suzuka decides we're her Boyfriend?
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>>4756159
I voted for Suzuka as she's my main choice. Second was Altera for reasons I expounded, 3rd was Reincarnating Suicide Bomber Okita Alter, 4th being Hopeman.

Suzuka may not be Velber, but if we can pin her to her human sensibilities/this world we could make her Bodhisattava/Deva level which is administration/power encompassing the Human Order's Universe/A Trichiliocosm (billion-fold universe) worth of Solar Systems of data/Heat/value.

Extra Saver basically lost because he let himself lose, and even so his Chakravartin kept going and doing shit for like 1000 years. Beast Kiara is also True Demon level, but that was still short of actual Bodhisattva level.
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>>4756163
Sounds like a great way to have True Nyarly fucking end the local supercluster as a "fuck you."
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>>4756164
>Whats the point of autism if autism is all it takes
If we have the potential to win thats not a victory itself, and we still need to not fuck up roiding up the "victory card" itself and the following votes. Your view is just strange to me.
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>>4756153
you forgot my vote for altera, but not sure it changes anything
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>>4756166
That is, Chakravartin clogged up and RIP'd the Moon Cell in Last Encore iirc.
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>>4756164
Even if we have ELIXIR disabled we still need to beat Orochi.
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Sorry Hopechads. Maybe Suzuka can hack the system and we can summon the other ones.
I'd certainly like that.
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>>4756165
she greets us with it
and we will have to kill her both her ex bfs
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near double the unique ips in this thread compared to /alter/ now too. WhatIs has successfully established a new fate/ hugbox

Way less post count for the time though.We've been cracking 2k ez by noe as it's around 48hrs since creation iirc

>>4756166
Thing is with Suzuka, WhatIs can balance it narratively and have her only manage to stop it and then begin to reverse the process as they've been going at this ritual for at least a week straight in their time. Then she needs to be protected and potentially manages to shut off the time dilation enabling normal battle to proceed back in the original cave, or open a portal for allies or some shit idk. It's easy to come up with stuff from there that doesn't invalidate prior efforts.

Altera could have actually ruined the narrative build up as there is no real gradual scaling, it's just I eat the problem lol

>>4756172
it'd be a bit of a cuckout and bloat the cast further.

It is funny though, people shit on FGO but then when given the chance in a quest they'll collect every single servant they can and thensome.
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>>4756168
Victory through autism using the pieces we already put together means the autism that got us those pieces was justified and necessary and our allies are inportant.

Victory through autism using only a brand new piece means all other pieces were unnecessary. We could have just told everyone to stay home, walked in by ourselves, and trusted that things would magically work out. Which is the opposite of the impression I had up till now, and it would shatter the illusion of consequences for me.
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>>4756175
I still think Hopeman grabbing Para so Para can start reversing what he's done would have been the most narratively satisfying option available.

But at least we're not going for grug smash, apparently.
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>>4756179
grug eat glowy fire berry magic then smash*
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>>4756177
We couldn't possibly have prepared for ELIXIR so we need something to even the odds.
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>>4756177
The problem is that autism in a very large part consisted from getting these "new pieces" like Liberation Enkidu, Obeitheion, etc.

Our "autism" has always been about getting new cards to play, as if we didn't need new cards there would be no reason to have autism in the first place and we could just unga the problem.

You are drawing an arbitrary distinction between these instances, imo.
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>>4756175
>Altera could have actually ruined the narrative build up as there is no real gradual scaling, it's just I eat the problem lol
ngl almost made me switch vote
>>4756177
our main problem is cosmic scale enemies
they always get defeated by plot and not by diplomacy and brute force
you could say all of it about Manaka too
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>>4755929
Faggot
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>>4756181
Evening the odds is fine. As the niggerman says, hacking ELIXIR to get our reinforcements in still means our reinforcements were needed. It's solving the problem entirely through the power of gacha that I have a problem with.

>>4756182
And what's the point of getting those pieces if we don't even use them for the secret superboss? Are we just collecting one shiny new toy after the other until our newest shiny toy is enough to win by itself before we put them all in the box?

>>4756183
That's kind of my point. We were stupid when we went to Manaka, and lost almost all our allies as a result. We were stupid when we went to Orochi and as a result we get exactly what we needed to win? Doesn't this sound odd to you?
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>>4756188
We werent stupid, we came prepared, just some things came we didnt expect.
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
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>>4756188
Youre making a looot of assumptions about how this'll work out.
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>>4756188
and merlin no-selled us with teleport too
still can and same with manaka
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>>4756188
You're seriously underestimating the Megaworm.
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>>4756189
We could have prepared for that thing though, so it wad stupid we didn't.

>>4756190
Not making any assumptions. Just saying why I would be incredibly disappointed if we win that way.

>>4756191
Yep. Bracelet being needed didn't come out of nowhere.
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>>4756189
He kinda has a point. Not wearing Gil's bracelet when we sent Medea away was stupid. We'd have done it in a heartbeat if anyone had remembered. And then we would have lost hours of accelerated time digging through a kilometer of rock, we wouldn't have recruited Vritra or whoever we summon now, and we would have appeared right in the face of the "delete you 5 times a second" supercomputer. Our position actually got BETTER because we forgot.

>>4756196
Wait and see anon. I still trust WhatIs to make this satisfying.
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>>4756196
>>4756197
He has a point, but we cant be prepared for everything, for various reasons.
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>>4756197
I think Orochi might be worried about using the delete function on us.
For we are Truth.
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i trust Manaka more than God
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>>4756208
Why?
Gods a bro.
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>>4755964
How is Requiem this much of an assblaster for you if there are only 2 volumes out and the only translated stuff is summaries?
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>>4756208
Based Manakabro
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>>4756209
he def has his own agenda, hide details and QM is posting SMT God for him but we cant do anything about it so whatever
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I don't care what Sweets wants I still want WhatIs to steal his shitty quest.
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>>4756210
He didnt like 30 Grails worldwide starting WW3 followed by innumerable Grails as weapons+Drone armies purging each other and everyone summoning Servants+St.Longinus' wish making all humans ageless immortals with Grail terminals for hearts+its Hell on Earth with the illusion of normality being held up because he thinks it should be Pruned.
Also daughter of Izanami as a Proximal Servant.
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>>4756215
you dont want sweets redemption arc?
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>>4755903
We're already biologically and spiritually immortal due to our regen.
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>>4756220
I didn't think of that. That would be cool if co firmed.
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>>4756220
>>4756222
we can always study the worms
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>>4756223
We can do what that someone in Strange Fake did and transform Crest Worms tech into Crest Bacteria because stomach bacteria abundant and based it on South American godbacteria.

Quetz here we come.
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>>4756218
If I thought he'd follow through.
He still obviously likes where the story ended up and was just saying buzzwords to try to garnish sympathy from players and QM.
Otherwise he wouldn't have even suggested continuing rather than rebooting, if he meant his words.
Fuck him.
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>>4755899
Yes but on a scale from broken to powderized how destroyed will our pelvis be afterwards?
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>>4756227
RM Aria fixes, worth it.
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>>4756227
We can regenerate.
It's OK.
>>4756225
I wonder how Quetz would feel about us.
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How quickly does Vritra start trying to actually eat us when she finds out we can regenerate?
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>>4756225
truth juice nanomachines Shinji?
>>4756226
we will see how full of shit sweets was in month or two since thats be enough to get to world hopping
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>>4756230
Shuten and Vritra regen vore party is...kinda cursed but not like end me tier. Remember hoow Shuten looked shocked when we regenned our arm?

>>4756231
Truth Parasite Eve Shinji
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>>4756230
Remember that Shuten is a man-eating Oni and she saw us regenerate an arm in seconds.
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>>4756222
People physically age because our body doesn't fully heal us, and as a result microinjuries pile up over time, this doesn't happen to Shinji because his injuries automatically revert.
I also think his soul won't degrade by the same principle, but there's not as much evidence for that.
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>>4756234
oh no
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>>4756233
Instant regen like that is very fucking rare on the nasuverse, i think.
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>>4756238
Also, we fed her our blood when we first recruited her. She already knows we are tasty.
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>>4756241
So she tasted our mana, blood and saliva so far.
I honestly think we'll have more troubles with the girls than both Orochi and Manak combined once all of this is over.
Monica will just eat some popcorn on the side while watching the drama.
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>>4756244
Monica warned us. This is all on our head.
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>>4756231
The difference between WhatIs and Sweets can be seen in the Shapeless Isles Arc.
Sweets' was a miserable slog where Alberich was lord jobber to plants and manticores and much simping was done for Stheno and Euryale.
Before he ended up beating Medusa because the jobbing threshold was reached.
This took longer than all of City Akeldama to get done.
Compared to our version where we thot patrolled the lolis and turned into a hype drill.
Sweets hates drill weapons.
He said that once.
Very gay.
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>>4756251
>Sweets hates drill weapons.
>He said that once.
He didn't believe in the Sweet that believe in himself.
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>>4756252
Wasn't one of the class choices Lancer that turns his imaginary numbers cloak into a drill. Sweets autism.
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>>4756251
it was amusing to watch alberich suffer tho
>Very gay.
very gay was the moment players didnt went to fuck their oni sister
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>>4756257
Agreed.
Bitch needed a good dicking.
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>>4756258
How would Shinji react to meeting that useless NEET anyway?
He was ok with what Shuten did.
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>>4756263
new maid for Shuten
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>>4756263
"How the fuck does your Noble Phantasm even work ??" probably.
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>>4756267
I'm going to guess it implodes the moment the timeline is observed from an outside force.
Alternatively it starts repeating "I AM TRUTH GIVEN FORM" the moment we enter the timeline.
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>>4756267
plot twist is that it does not and she was bullshitting
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>>4752260
>my realization, partway through that quest, that many of the players were way, way, WAY more invested in the overall Nasuverse than I am. End of the day, the only Fate I really cared about was the 2004 VN, and that's a problem I still don't have a solution for
You god damn liar.
Sure would be funny if you ended up spending "a stupid amount of money" trying to get Meltryllis in FGO, wouldn't it?
Like you said you did.
Ahahahahahahahha!
Somebody grab the post from Archived.
I'm not joking.
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And I am back.
Current state of the poll

Let me catch up now.
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>>4756276
Dam, Medusa, Rin and Touko did much better than I expected. And of course our lovely evil witch wife is at the top, like it should be.
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>>4756276
make worst girl poll too please
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>>4756153
This is accurate, right?

>>4756227
Yes.

>>4756210
Because the setting introduced purging fucked/doomed timelines and then just completely ignores that so it can show off some fucked/doomed timelines because Woah Cool Dystopia?

>>4756271
Jesus anon, you killed him.
This also really isn't how Heroic Spirits work either. We had a 'fictional' Heroic Spirit in Fate/Stay Night itself for God's sake.
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>>4756286
Yeah.
I accidentally put Big Mac's old Altera vote there too. So Suzuka wins even more.
Better than Altera winning at least.
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>>4756286
That...should be accurate. I think
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>>4756286
Now the quesstion is how fictional is anything if we go by Holmes' "Subject to Revision" stuff.
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You know in hindsight, if you went after Kirei, you could've given him the concept of compassion.
Though he would've tried to kill himself.
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>>4756314
Asha concept Kirei for Zoroaster Pseudo that raises Angra Mainyu to be a good boy as a Carnival moment?
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>>4756315
Yeah, maybe.
Also, to keep things fresh, I'm going to impose a restriction on concept application.
You can only use each concept a single time.
So no repeats for overpowered concepts.
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>>4756317
Honestly I thought so anyway for concepts. Since we never reused them iirc.
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>>4756317
This brings up a question for me, is there a limit on how esoteric a concept is based on etymology or meaning or complexity specifically?
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>>4756317
Using the same ones wouldn't be fun anyway, so I'm fine with that.
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>>4756323
Try to keep it to things that Shinji may have a decent understanding of.
Simple adjective style concepts are perfectly fine though, as are major concepts from cultures that he may have studied in preperation for the Grail War.

He's not got a encyclopedic knowledge of every single obscure concept in existence, after all.
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>no Altera
No fun.
Well, maybe watching Suzuka interact with other members of our faction would be.
And nobody mentioned that Okita Alter can kill things like Maxwell`s Demon?
>>4756317
But why would we even do that? Each mythology has it`s own concepts and every person we tried to do that for has very unique problem that has to addressed in specific way.
Plus you already addressed that slapping unmatching concept will fail or it will wear off and rapid concept using will erase person.
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>>4756325
Would something like Myohi work? It's the japanese word for a Wisdom Queen, which is a basically a Wrathful (or Worldy, Protective) manifestation of a Buddha or its protector.

Was hoping to use Ragaraja originally, as usually its a name but its translated from sanskrit as "Love-Stained Wisdom King", as transforming passion to spiritual stuff, without abandoning it.

I am hoping that using Myohi or Ragaraja on Suzuka can make her go Deva without disqualifying her from interfering in wordly affairs due to enlightenment or just monofocusing her on saving all the sattvas.

Its buddhist and japanese concepts, and pretty widespread as a concept in buddhism in japan.
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Hey guys, whatever happened to Sasaki?
Because I just got an excellent concept that we could apply to him.

The Concept of Susanoo.

Think about it. Susanoo is said to be the origin of Japanese swordfighting. And Ganryu (Sasaki's swordstyle) is supposedly fluid and unpredictable, much like how you would expect the Origin of a fighing style to be.
Sasaki is also considered a dragon slayer ever since since FGO.
You know who else is a famous japanese dragon slayer? Susanoo.
If Shinji applies the concept of Takehaya-Susano-no-Mikoto to Sasaki we's get an imitation of said storm god. Just what we need to slay Orochi.

I just wish I thought of this sooner.
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>>4756330
I seem to remember Susanoo only slaying Orochi via trickery and WhatIs may have said that even rolling max on the gacha and summoning Susanoo wouldn't be instawin, but you're right in that it would be an interesting and good concept.
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>>4756330
You need to have a pretty firm and perfect understanding of a concept in order to apply it to somebody. Actual understandable concepts like perfection or immortality or even Asha are fine.
But you'd need to have a perfect record of Susanoo.
This would be entirely possible if you had access to a record of everything like the Moon Cell, which can provide all of the information about anything you want, basically.
But as things are, the most you know of Susanoo is from reading about him.
Also, applying the concept of "A person" or "A god" who actually exists to another person will either fuse them together if you have a perfect understanding of them, or just completely overwrite whoever you apply to concept to, unless you're doing it to a high-servant, then it's a crapshoot.

>>4756332
And yes, Orochi was dangerous enough in life that even somebody as powerful as Susanoo had to cheat to win.
Which only really worked because Orochi was kind of retarded.
He didn't just unga bunga his way through.
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>>4756340
Myohi works? Its a category of beings Suzuka has connection through the potential to buddhafy by using her NP
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If the Lesser Grail uses parts of the Rhinegold in it, and Alberich named himself after the nemesis of Siegfried who has the Rhinegold taken from him by Siegfried...
Does that mean Alberich was destined to be NTR'd by Sieg all along?

What a twist.
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>>4756348
Update soon WhatIS?
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>>4756350
I am writing it.
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>>4756348
I recall some big brain thinking about using because it is "german Oberon" since he is king of fairies and Circe would be his "Titania" since she has wings and AoG magic.
Or something like that. Hardly makes situation any better from mythological perspective.
Playing as nameless would have been much funnier.
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>>4756341
Sure, I suppose.
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>>4756314
Kirei crying and shitting his pants at everything he's done before an heroing in front of Rin would have been a fine outcome too imho.

>>4756317
We were kinda already doing that. No fun to have repeat power ups when there are so many options.

>>4756325
Zoroastrianism is fine, though I kinda doubt we'll get to flex again. I assume Japanese too. How about Greekoid? We have a lot of these guys around. Indian?
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>>4756354
Honestly the funniest option would've been for him to give a 6 world long entire google translate latin name in the car.
Also this was when Mystic Eyes of Whisper (?) worked on a Servant with Magic Resistance: B and made them immediately reveal their true name right?
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I am brainrotting. Just slap "Deva" on her. Hindu versions can interfere ez and arent emotionless and some easy as fuck common syncretism and etymology connects them. Deva, God and Bodhisattva is basicallly the same thing translated across Hindu/buddhism/Shinto and languages. For precedence look at Amaterasu/Tamamo's ingame Dakini-ten and Vairocana syncretism chain. Suzuka herself in True Form was actually one before coming onto the earth, as her father was the Demon King of the 4th Heaven.
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>>4756360
We already brought back the AoG with fucking Eternal Vritra and Dragons and co. Alaya can suck up having to leave one more God be for us, with making her an ultra dragon jannie
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>>4756360
What's the difference from slapping "divinity" on her, something that we know has been a bad idea any time it was offered?
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>>4756364
Specific divinity rather than a general divinity.
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>>4756153
>>4755412
>>4755266
That double vote from Big Mac voting for two different things.
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>>4756359
It was some players wanting to flex with cool german sounding name I think. He was still Yumigawa before that. "You can see the exact moment..." yada yada.
I think Alberich got outright charmed by her mystic eyes after waking up in not!Illya bedroom with her watching him right in the eyes. But I can`t recall who beated the crap out of him before that. Was it Sonichu?
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>>4756364
We want her to have her Deva powers without being disqualified as a HS, but then I remembered we dont give a fuck about those qualifications look at Enkidu, Vritra etc.

Suzuka when going Trichiilo which is her godform isnt any worse than normal, except shes a bit more serious and looks at her JKism as a kind of "ughh did I do that" kind of thing.

We see Astrea as a True Divinity in GO someewhere and shes fine. So are some of the Mechachads, etc.

I think this is a good idea. Her not being a divinity is basically her father sending her down from a Heaven to do shit, not a change in attitude like Tamamo.
>>4756366

Also yes, a specific kind of Divinity thats not inherently shit as far as we can see.
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>>4756359
Even Touko's infinitely reflected and thus infinitely boosted Charm Mystic Eyes didnt do shit to even Aoko and only do shit to the vegetables she de-Crested. Lmao.
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>>4756368
Man he got his shit wrecked almost every fight so it's hard to remember.
Wasn't it where he hit a space warping Caladbolg Arrow from Shirou with his portal sword and caused a huge reality marble destroying spatial distortion to open up right in his face that for some reason didn't kill him outright?
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>>4756370
Just let Suzuka do big think and apply concept after she come up with something for herself.
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>>4756375
Fucking genius. I autism'd some concept herr so she may think they are a good idea, maybe.

Also, SF Grail War is a fucking meme. Alcides' master is fueling him by liquifying 25k normies using Atomic Gatorade's stolen tech. I completely forgot about that.
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>>4756363
You don't know what AOG is. We haven't ran it back yet because the gods haven't come back from the reverse side. When we bring it back and mystery becomes powerful again they are going to run up on us.
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>>4756370
How about Wisdom? Her Noble Phantasm making her wise is why she regrets her usual jk self. Why not have her be wise all the time, to fix her life as she would have wished and for the extra hacking synergy?
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>>4756374
Yes, I think it was that moment.
And Ayaka just went home afterwards.
I hope Sweets learn from that.
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>>4756375
Yeah, you're right. Big brain Suzuka can come up with something good.
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>>4756378
If she accepts it sounds good, but her wanting to turn Wisdom off fast makes me question it. Maybe the situation warrants it enough for her.
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>>4756378
This is the sort of conceptual application that would obliterate somebody's original personality.
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>>4756383
Yeah, we'll ask her. Nobu's Supremacy was better than the Progress we came up with. If she wants to be Wise she'll tell us.
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>>4756386
Enkidu could've gotten Wisdom'd tho. Did you decide to change it.
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Can someone post some big honking tits? Need a cheer up
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>>4756386
Oh fuck, let's not do Wisdom then.
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>>4756390
Enkidu is a bit of a special case considering what he is.
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>>4756398
Thanks m8
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>>4756391
Gochu senpai
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>>4756388
I kinda like Deva but I guess we can ask her. Its not dangerous like asking Vritra.
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>>4756401
Also duality of Asura Vritra gaining Asha and daughter of a demon king gaining Deva status
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>>4756391
Just look how big they are comparing to Hakuno!
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>>4756406
Pathetic.
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>>4756415
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
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>>4756406
>>4756413
im sad that no altera
maybe later.
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>>4756386
just realized that this sorta concept used on Cu would turn him into Odin
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>>4756286
It's baffling that anyone could even say what's on that screencap with MINIMAL knowledge of the VN because the fictional Sasaki Kojiro was summoned way back then. That headcanon gets even worse if you've read Fate/Complete Material (which is a material book for F/SN)
>Birth of Heroic Spirits
>It's been explained that Heroic Spirits are beings that heroes whom belief has been gathered upon become after death, but heroes of myths and legends can be born by the gathering of belief even if they didn't exist. Also, there are those who those who make a contract of some sort with the world when they were alive and as compensation become Heroic Spirits after death. In the Fifth War, Hasan Sabaha was a hero that actually existed, and Herakles and Medusa are ones of legends. Also, Emiya and Altria are beings that became (or will become) Heroic Spirits after their contract with the world. Those who have become Heroic Spirits are freed from the constraints of time and are moved to the Throne of Heroes, existing to the outside of the World.
Not to mention Rin says OBJECTS AND WEAPONS can be Heroic Spirits in the first few hours of the VN. Obviously weapons don't originally have a sense of self or a personality from which the summoned Servants can be based on, and yet they still are Heroic Spirits.

>Because the setting introduced purging fucked/doomed timelines and then just completely ignores that so it can show off some fucked/doomed timelines because Woah Cool Dystopia?
Requiem doesn't fit the requirement for a doomed (read: stagnant) timeline though. The humans are still humans, and technology is still advancing. Hell, the story takes place in a bumbling city. I think you misunderstood what a "doomed timeline" actually is.
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>>4756427
>misunderstood what a "doomed timeline" actually is.
A doomed timeline is one that has no variance and/or ability to advance, wasn't it? So in Last Encore humanity getting culled down to really small numbers is not as bad as in Extra/Extella where the nations stagnated earth intentionally.

That is my understanding and what I've said about Requiem, so who knows if I remember right. Plus some Clairvoyant stuff from KnK about Hope(Oscillation) something something.
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>>4756432
civilizations that reach a utopia can also be considered doomed because they become stagnant and can no longer advance
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>>4756433
Thats why said I variance. Hope was described as opposed to certainty by means of Future Confirmation/Calculation exhibited by the bomber dude.
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>>4756427
I guess it's not totally doomed?
But hell if it isn't mostly doomed.
Maybe Requiem is going to end up with the planet actually being unfucked.
The problem is though, there are two problems that the Requiem timeline should be facing.
One is the potential summoning of Types due to making Gaia mad and turning the surface to a wasteland, which they should have no real answer to.
The other is getting their timeline pruned by Alaya for their being no room for advancement anymore, I guess you could say that Alaya wouldn't prune them.
Gaia should be pretty pissed though.
To me, the planet being reduced to a "shell" kind of implies that it's worse than just the Surface being ruined too.
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>>4756435
The right one sure
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>>4756435
Certainly. We should send her a letter when this is done.

Taunting her
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>>4756437
>Gaia mad and turning the surface to a wasteland,
Isnt a thing. Reality as seen by humans is just one Texture including the laws of physics. Reverse doesnt even have a true arrow of time and you can use it to timetravel and do paradoxes like Merlin and Dr.Heartless.

Also, Gaia only gives a shit if she dies and you survive it. This obviously hasnt happened because there is no Grain and a blue sky exists.
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If we are talking about concept for her.
I would have went for Indomitability.
It is something for will, mind, body and spirit.
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>>4756443
Extra verse fucked World harder than Requiem with the shitty Aylesbury. It wounded the Planet's Soul according to stuff. Thats a lot worse and the reason of pruning danger is from Alaya and lack of variance/advancement.
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>>4756443
I guess so, but then why would they specifically mention Earth being a shell?
The planet being reduced to a shell kind of implies that the topmost layer of Texture is all there is left, and that's a wasteland.

But it might just be a misinterpretation on my part.
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>>4756449
I mean, it could be a turn of phrase. "He was a shell of his former self" etc. Peoticaally "we bombed the fuck out of it bro"?

But also. The Texture being the Surrface doesnt mean if you dig down you stop beeing in the Texture. Thats what fucked Albion. Its this Texture EVERYWHERE. Even the Planet's "core" of magma. Like how the Moon we see is Human Order overlay and not the real moon. Lower Layers are super different in laws.
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>>4756451
>doesnt mean if you dig down you stop beeing in the Texture. Thats what fucked Albion.
Then why is it that digging down gets you closer to the Reverse?
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>>4756455
He's a retard and the only reason he's "alive" is the magical energy in his eye thats dragging his head down and trying to dig into the Texture which is impossible. Even his heart is dead and fused to the leylines. His head is a bit on that side, his body isnt, he is mostly dead but his head is kept alive and he csnt back out or go further and only his eye keels him "alive" dudes tragic. Its like death-spasms, but dragon I guess.

And yes the head is the Caryllion observatory(sp?) The CT uses to house Sealing Designates and monitor worldwide shit. Its how they knew a hole to the Root opened at the end of HF.
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>>4756455
I think I misunderstood. Because thats what it USED TO do. Like how yyou got to Underworlds because you went under. But that was AoG physics. Its changed. Like how Aphrodite isn't love, its a faceless phenomenon. Agni isnt fire, its a chemical reaction.
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>>4756457
Well, I guess healing him is something you can do if you just want to immediately destroy the Clocktower at some point in the future.
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>>4756460
We were kinda planning on having him be our daugher's first minion, I think. Even if his a bit stupid.
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>>4756460
I do wonder how the fuck is it Spirit Tomb Albion. Is it Albion as in England? Because Vortigern drank the blood of the White Dragon.

Also yeah, I think the greatest change from AoG to AoM isn't just the Laws of Physics instead of Gods and Authorities. It's that there is ONE texture, ONE cultural sphere.

If you went down in Mesopotamia you got to Kur, if you went down in Greece you got to Hades. But topographically, both stretched into/over each other.

The Venus of Mesopotamia was different from the Venus of China.

The Sun of one country different from another.

It's better to think of Textures as less like the table cloth analogy and more like, as I mentioned with Para, spatial matrices.

Current Texture still uses a spatial matrix set up like actual modern physical models do sometimes, but it uses them for Aspects. Every being, as far as we know in Nasu, exists on "layers" of these Aspects, and they together make a being.

We know 5.

1.Corpus, Body
2.Psyche, Mind
3.Soul, Spirit
4. Unknow
5. Ether (True or Fake is weird)
6. Demons (Ideation or Wishes or Curses)

This is illustrated when Aspect with a capital A is used, or when Hakuno got split into Corpus, Psyche and Soul on the Moon Cell.

Essentially Para was closer to the truth than most think in Nasuland.
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>>4756464
The most similar to this would be to thinking in dimensions. All beings would be 6 dimensional in this analogy, so all creatures would have parts in all 6 "directions" or "dimensions" or "Aspects" even if they only perceive maybe 1 directly, Corpus, a second indirectly, Psyche, and speculate a lot about a 3rd, soul.
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>>4756464
For extra autism. 5th Imaginary Aspect Ether and Ether as an Element probably both exist separately. As Aspect is translated from youso and Element from genso. Cursecraft and Demons probably have the same relationship, and explains why Demons trying to "re-enact" themselves unto the corpora of a human during possession is invariably lethal. They are truly an alien Aspect.
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>>4756464
>>4756466
>>4756473
Can we just tell all of that to Touko while we explaining to her Orochi`s plan?
And mention Asha to her.
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>>4756473
As an extra final bit of autism, this is probably why the First Magic was so super special. It didn't just create Ether as fuel. It may have created Ether as the "5th Imaginary Aspect" to replace the "5th True Aspect", essentially creating an entirely new layer/Aspect of existence as is, instead of providing fuel for thaumaturgy when we know pseudo-Spiritrons exist everywhere and are as light, even unto different galaxies as far as we can understand. They are just unused and not "proven" like how souls are not "proven" even if most Magi most likely believe in them.
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>>4756464
>>4756466
>>4756473
>>4756478
Interesting theory
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>>4756464
>>4756466
>>4756473
>>4756478
Interesting
I can't stop thinking that we can very well come with better explanations for the things on the nasuverse than nasu himself.
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>>4756484
We know a bit about Aspects from Extra/Extella, Mahoyo and KnK stuff, such as the japanese word distinction between Aspect and Element making them different things, the different phrasing of Imaginary and True Aspect of Ether, the way they can be split into 3 without dying, but only on the Moon Cell ala Hakuno, that Ether as an Aspect is necessary to thaumaturgy and Ether dying off from AoG wasn't just a question of "what to fuel it with".

The Aspects thus also extend apart from bodies, as thaumaturgy is not always done on or in the body, or by a living beings. Spell formulas can also do so, and automata such as Touko's curse based perpetual motion machine puppet.

Spatial matrices/dimensions fits with Avalon's description of shutting down all assault even up to the sixth dimension, with a Materialized Soul and Gods described as "higher-order" and sometimes "higher-dimensional" beings and other circumstantial evidence.

We may get a random nasuism that suddenly disproves it somewhy but its the best we got rn.
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Looking at the poll, Rin and Satsuki did way better this time, had no idea Tamamo and Shuten were so popular and Medea and Sakura reign supreme as they should
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>>4756498
Anon, do you think we could use it as our own method of Apotheosis? By combining Touko`s demons and puppets, idea behind Matou`s magecraft and Truth? To become self-reinforcing living concept and avoid degraiding? Would that makes us good and sane TATARI?
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>>4756507
Shuten has always been a good girl. Folks cried out for her appearance and were excited to see her when she showed up.
Tamamo is a useful caster...so there's that.
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>>4756498
It's matter of time really
The shroom changes fundamentals on a whim
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>>4756508
If we base it off Touko's puppet and Roa's thing maybe. Touko was the puppet continuously cursing itself and deriving more power from being cursed than actually casting curses. Roa was seeding his Directionality, what is usually translated as Origin afaik into people and somehow forcing it to recreate his soul and mind

I can see two methods. Force the Aspects to aways recognize and "prove" the Truth of our existence to always exist as long as Aspects exist. So as long as physical reality, minds and souls and wishes as long as any exist.

Another would be to somehow use our Truth to combine our existence across all Aspects into one Truth and make it one with our Origin/Directionality. Whenever Change, Creation and Destruction exists, that would be the proof of the Truth of our existence, and as proof, recreate it like Roa but from these concepts?

That would be big brain "get to the Root" grade Magic, but I can see it if we have nothing better or more urgent do, but autistic speculation is fun by itself.. and may impress Touko.

One is more TATARI but not shit, one is more Roa but not shit.

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>>4756510
I wish I could've liked that doujin but the clear raceplay and horn snapping has never once appealed to me in any of asanagi's works. What a shame, I miss the tentacle purity
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>>4756513
Also, maybe get the info from Ishtar how the fuck she instantiated a version or bunrei of herself in AoM. That may help.
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>>4756460
Have my latest autism.
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Three Swords. A visualization of three swords. One of steel. One of silver. One of gold. Through that visualization, you call out into the abyss beyond you, out into the void of Imaginary Number Space, and you receive the answer quickly. A flash of red light engulfs you a Vritra, as a Servant is revealed standing in the center of the now defunct circle.

"Servant Saber has arrived! Responding superbly to her summoning! You're my master, or something, right?" A foxed eared girl suddenly bounds out of the circle with a smile on her face, before she stops and looks around for a moment, before her gaze fixes on you and Vritra. "Well, I guess you have to be my Master, because... like, there's nobody else here? And what sort of dingy place is this anyway? You planning on summoning more Servants, or something?" The fox-eared girl doesn't seem amused to be standing on a single defunct summoning circle in a sea of them. "I came when I heard that the world was like... in danger? So, I'm gonna guess that the Servant standing next to you isn't somebody you want me to kill for you, right~?" The air-headed JK has quite the overwhelming personality, and you have to suppress a sigh.

[Status Updated!]

"Yes, that's right, I'm your Master, Suzuka." You immediately reveal the true name of the playful girl, and you feel a little bad about things. She might already be aware that the world is in danger from the request, but she may not realize just how imminent that danger actually is. It's not like she's been summoned in a safe area, you're currently very much in an active combat zone.

The perfect innocent smile of girl fades away in an instant. "H-hey! That's not fair! You're not allowed to just... guess who I am... and you're especially not just allowed to guess who I am correctly! I was planning on having it be a-" You can't deal with her acting like this right now, while under normal circumstances, you'd be more than happy to play along with her highschooler act, you simply can't allow the distraction right now.

"Suzuka. The entire world and potentially beyond is in great danger." You interrupt the JK. "We're currently in the fortress of a Beast Servant plotting to use a large scale summoning ritual to form four primordial divine spirits in order to gain unlimited power and authority over the entire Planet. There's no telling what he might do with that level of power, so I'm sorry, but... I'm going to need you to be a little more serious... at least right now, OK?"

"W-well, that's fine, I guess. What do you mean by imminent danger anyway?" Suzuka begins looking around the room until her gaze settles on Vritra again. "You don't mean from that fat snake standing next to you, right? Because she doesn't really look like she's threatening you right now." Suzuka casually disrespects Vritra, and you already know that the dragon woman isn't going to take that well.
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"I suggest you watch your tongue." Vritra's eyes narrow as she looks at the woman you just summoned. "You may be a Servant of my sweet, but I won't hesitate to devour you if you dare insult me again." She slams the butt of her spear on the floor at the same time her tail flicks downwards, causing cracks to form in the rock. She's calling you a strange name again. How did she even end up feeling like that about you anyway?! All you did was... Oh right. Give her the capacity to feel compassionate emotions after telling her you were the greatest of humanity. Yeah, now that you think about it, you can definitely see how she might've ended up feeling that way about you. Though you're really not that happy about it.

"Ohhhh~ Scary~" Suzuka mocks Vritra, apparently not caring that if Vritra actually wanted, she could almost certainly follow through on her threats, and there's practically nothing she could do to stop her, considering Vritra's invulnerability and immortality. Even if she could bypass the damage resistance that Vritra has as a Dragon with her B+ ranked Noble Phantasm, it's not like it would actually do more than temporarily annoy Vritra, and her other two Noble Phantasms are more for... self-enhancement, if anything. "Anyway, Master, if things are really so serious, then what are we waiting around for? Shouldn't we go... like, actually save the world or something? Or do you want to try to summon another Servant from this place or what? There's like... a load of those summoning circles you could use, you know? Wouldn't it be good if you had a bunch of Servants instead of just me and... Lancer..? Over there?" The overly cheerful JK asks, and you do wonder just how much you could get away with here without Orochi or Paracelcus realizing. You have no idea if Suzuka has tried to use her Mystic Eyes on you or not, but you'd be immune to such things anyway, you think.

>"No, it's too dangerous, instead, Suzuka, I want to ask you if you'd allow me to apply a concept to you in order to make you more powerful."
>"I suppose that it couldn't hurt to summon one more Servant, could it?"
>"No, and before we do anything else, I want to get out of this chamber and to one of the connecting tunnels, I've got a bad feeling about remaining here."
>"Suzuka, do you think that if you were to use Blessing of Wisdom and Trichiliocosm together, you'd be able to overwhelm an enormous Photonic Crystal Supercomputer that is being used to interfere with all sorts of natural laws?"
>Write-in...
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>>4756525
I love it.
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>>4756525
Brilliant! Clocktower Harry Potter arc here we come!
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Bad feeling is bad, and probably due to our anemic EotM, so we should go to another chamber at least or try using CS now.
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>>4756535
>"No, and before we do anything else, I want to get out of this chamber and to one of the connecting tunnels, I've got a bad feeling about remaining here."
>"Suzuka, do you think that if you were to use Blessing of Wisdom and Trichiliocosm together, you'd be able to overwhelm an enormous Photonic Crystal Supercomputer that is being used to interfere with all sorts of natural laws?"

We need to gtfo right the fuck now. We know the supercomputer was actively managing the summoning circles, it already knows something went wrong. I'm sure we don't even have the 10 secs we need to apply a concept before alarms start blaring. Let's tell her what we summoned her for as we run.
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>>4756513
>>4756515
I think we few another thing to consider in mind about both application of it. Namely:
Our Blessed Circuits can drain magical energy around us and perfect conduit and we do not even have Dragon Core yet.
Our Reality Marble always restores us to perfect condition.
If Ishtar can set up specific curses with triggers to create a curse bunrei we have very interesting usage of it. Chiyome`s previous Noble Phantasm was her channeling Orochi and being a bunrei from which his powers were manifesting. She is Assassin of Truth and we are Truth as far as we are aware and our Reality Marble consirned. With that in mind she exist like that within Throne. Across all timelines and worlds.
And if we are talking about conceptual merging with things made out of our Affinities and Origins of us we have Alítheia, a being made of out Truth. Perhaps to a lesser purity of Truth as a concept if you compare her to us but Truth still and if we were to tie ourselves to concept of our powers we would be effectively be already mentioned by somebode else above Finé from Symphogear. With ability to exist as long as our Truth as power exist somewhere and be called to it as pure manifistation imposing itself on the world through established part of it.
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>>4756544
But what if the bad feeling is good?
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>>4756544
Further on this, do we have telepathy to Suzuka when asking about the capacity of her NPs so we arent potentially overheard?
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>>4756551
She's our servant, so yes.
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>>4756551
>Master: Shinji Makiri
>True Name: Suzuka Gozen
We should have it.
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>>4756551
You can use Telepathy if you want.

Also, I probably should've mentioned this, but your magical self-replicating Command Spells got another three dots.I don't know why those don't concern you more.
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>>4756556
We KINDA have bigger things to worry about than our screwy seals.
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>>4756550
Uh. Like it would advance our goals but personally be bad or so good it overflow'd into bad or what. Thats shady as fuck, unless it was a joke
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>>4756556
I does a little.
But the fuck do you want us to do? The one that could tell us more is our current enemy.
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Fun set aside, how is Shinji coping 4 servants anyway?
I thought our limit was 3
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>>4756556
We have bigger problems usually and I am pretty sure itss Outer God bullshit. Either because Crawling Chaos or because we summoned Aza-Betty who created "living" Demon Seals instead of Curses or something.
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>>4756563
There's no hard limit. Each servant just takes more of our mana regen. Ares's sash helps with this problem currently. We might have to rejigger contracts after this is over.
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>>4756560
It was a joke.
Bad feelings tend to be bad feelings.
Good feelings can also be bad feelings in excess.
Though in excess, most things are pretty bad.
Excess in general is kind of bad.
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>>4756563
We should be comfortable with about five after we got upgraded.
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>>4756569
We need to teach this to loli kiara.
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>>4756563
1000 - 1 time dilation.
Right now, if your magical energy limit was 3 Servants on the outside world, you could sustain 3000.
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>>4756569
>Bad feelings tend to be bad feelings.
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>>4756560
Could the bad feeling be EotM glitching because of her Mystic Eyes+Suggestion but we are immune? I am making myself paranoid.
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>>4756576
I'm pretty sure bad feeling is EotM telling us the Eye of Sauron is about to look our way.
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>>4756535
>"No, and before we do anything else, I want to get out of this chamber and to one of the connecting tunnels, I've got a bad feeling about remaining here."
>Use telepathy to ask Suzuka about her capabilities in the following ways:
>"Suzuka, do you think that if you were to use Blessing of Wisdom and Trichiliocosm together, you'd be able to overwhelm an enormous Photonic Crystal Supercomputer that is being used by the God Orochi and Paracelsus to interfere with all sorts of natural laws?"
>If she answers in the negative tell her we can do conceptual Truth alteration and ask if shes okay with thinking of something to buff her.
>If she dislikes the idea give examples of what we used it for to make her impression better.
>Watch out for ambushes from the surrounding energy itself.
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Also, should we put on Gil's bracelet already so we dont get TPd again or did we already? Its only half but its something. Maybe Truth roid it.
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>>4756535
Switching >>4756548 to support >>4756582
We still need to gtfo, this is better than simple walk and talk.

>>4756585
Shinji put it on automatically in one of the updates.
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>>4756535
Supporting >>4756582
And I think it might worthwhile to go into Wind Chamber while Orochi`s jannie vision focused on Fire Chamber.
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>>4756535
Supporting this.>>4756582
It covers our bases well.
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>>4756582
>>4756535
He definitely noticed already so may as well run for it and stall for Suzuka to big brain it
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>>4756535
>>4756582
+1
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>>4756535
No, it's too dangerous, instead, Suzuka, I want to ask you if you'd allow me to apply a concept to you in order to make you more powerful
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>>4756588
We should keep moving. Orochi will probably check on Vritra's room once he realizes something went wrong. It'd be better if he doesn't find us there.
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Best case scenario, he sends someone after us cause he's too busy calculating, Vritra can play offense while Suzuka charges up
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>>4756574
So a lot of Gods to amalgamate or... we're gonna accidentally Requiem this worldline by blowing up Orochi and letting loose all the shit he summoned while we murderized him. My prediction.
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>>4756535
>>4756582
Support
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>>4756535
Gotta go get some good old groceries so calling in 30-40 minutes.
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>>4756598
Well, avoiding your prediction is why we went with Suzuka hacking instead of Altera smash.
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>>4756604
Now I'm paranoid about the Command Spells. They were like that before Orochi, right?
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>>4756607
They've always been screwy, yes.
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>>4756607
If anything, them being screwy helps against Orochi hijacking them. Probably.
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>>4756607
they always where a gif, yes.
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Alright. My guess is Betty/Azathoth's Authority of Life made them alive. So they may be a sort of True or Primordial Demon due to Outer God Authority in the worst case.

I am basing it on CS being Curses and Living Curses being Demons. They are material and real without a Unit Designation or Name, and are made by an Outer God. Gilles' Cthulhu thing is also TLed as Water Demon sometimes.

Have a theory..
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>>4756618
Best theory we have at the moment. I've firmly been in the "dunno" camp regarding our seals. Might be something to do with Manaka though, she's had control of the Grail for a while now. Possibly years if our dreams are something to go by.

We should PROBABLY investigate.
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>>4756621
Well damn.
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>>4756621
Big Brain Suzuka with Photonic Crystal can take a look imo.
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>>4756623
Her, Touko, Medea, let's put everyone together. After we kill Orochi, I'd say. Big Brain Suzuka has limited time as big brained before she gets desummoned.
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The characters for 'Asha' in Avestan aren't displaying on my lappy so it's kind of a crapshoot for the thing in the halo.
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>>4756629
Very nice.
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>>4756629
Based. Very.
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>>4756629
For a second I thought that symbol said uwu, I was about to scream.
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>>4756629
Good. Good.
Now draw her giving Shinji a headpat.
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>>4756629
your services are deeply appreciated, drawfriend!
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>>4756535
>>4756582
Support
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>>4756582
supporting
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I had a stupid idea. JK Clocktower Student Suzuka. Its school, she stays close, everyone wins. She can call herself a Policies member as the great work of a Spiritual Evocations family.

Policies is the CT police and internal affairs. Well, and paperwork but meh. She can just stomp some Enforcers for credentials.
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>>4756635
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>>4756644
She'll charm a reverse harem for herself. The strongest Stacy
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>>4756647
Her giving Shinji headpats is a nice touch.
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>>4756647
Local Truthman still as smug after being headpatted himself.
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>>4756644
>>4756648
Clocktower Harry Potter arc will be so much fun!

>>4756647
rofl
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If our CS became Demons, we gotta ask Touko, and Merem if we can swing it with Arc, for advice. They have been very useful. If we have aa Demon living on/in us thats not only a Touko similarity but a Solomon one.
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>>4756655
https://youtu.be/JGCJwWsRdVs
DAA hunting arc.
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>>4756655
Wait a minute.
Why not feed one of those demons to Orochi?
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>>4756668
We don't know for sure if its Demons but...thats a really good idea if they are.

CS Demons would be either the Wish for a Miracle or a Wish for Obedience/Subjugation personified. or both.

If we get one into the computer and it still connects to us as the originator/source of Wish/Ideation it may just subjugate it for us? If we Wish on one and infuse it woth magical eenrgy I guess. Hey, we'd be doing Cursecraft finally.
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My long quest for groceries has reached a thrilling conclusion.
For a moment, all seemed lost for our hero as I was almost forced to pay more than was listed for an item, yet through skillfull negotiation skils, and the power of trading standards/false advertisement, I got my Dr. Pepper at a reasonable price.
Uh, anyway.

>>4756629
Very nice!
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>>4756655
Now, if we're thinking about old unexplored threads, I'm still wondering who might have killed those boys in the warehouse. Archer told us they had been cut in four pieces after dying from excessive blunt force trauma to the head, and that they had been used in a ritual. Monica told us all the murdered boys were younger brothers. My chief suspect is Gilles, but mostly because I can't think of anyone else who might fit.

>>4756675
The conquering hero returns home, just in time to write the next update.
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I want to know just who exactly you're planning on taking along with you for a theoretical Harry Potter Arc in the clock tower.
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>>4756674
And if they are demons it is confirmed that he is very afraid to eat them >>4753032
And we know their lovecraftian nature born out of Azathoth will fuck him up even harder. That was our bait plan afterall.
>>4756675
You have to make her headpat us now, you know? Look at >>4756647
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>>4756679
I mean...could it be Prelati? There is no Zouken to BTFO her and Touko wasn't aware of her before the war, but she could be here now? Shes kinda obsessed with them.
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>>4756682
Shirou, Sakura and Rin are required picks
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>>4756629
damn nice
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>>4756682
Medea for General Studies, Tamamo for Curses, Suzuka for Policies, Sakura for Individual Studiies and Rin for Mineralogy are all I got who could fit in. I think Morgan would start murdering people too fast but she can come if she wants. To Individual Studies and Teach Obeitheion.
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>>4756682
>Waver will hire Medea as a teacher.
>Rin will want to study too.
>Shirou might pick up something useful.
>Sakura is never leaving our side ever again.
>Suzuka will become the local Stacy
I'm sure we'll think of more as the time approaches.

>>4756684
Maybe, but what about the crime fits her MO? I haven't read SF.
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>>4756693
Shirou is our student and bodyguard we need to drag him to places
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>>4756692
No love for Chiyome?
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>>4756693
If you speculate Gilles same applies to Prelati, they were bros. Also she let Buzzcola liquidate 25k people to fuel Avenger Alcides and imported the Angra Mud for him.
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>>4756697
Oh, shit, yeah. Our ninja will be perfect for sneaky shenanigans.
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>>4756697
She can come but I don't think her priestess like anti-curse counts as Cursecraft if she only breaks it. Maybe as a retainer for us as a Lord.
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>>4756698
I see. Yeah, I'll add Prelati to the list of suspects then. We should go interrogate her at some point.
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>>4756700
A) She's a ninja. They don't have to know she's there
B) We can bring along people who won't be studying as retainers or something. We can afford to live somewhere nicer than the basic dorm.
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>>4756647
The sad reality is that Vritra is actually the exact same size as you are.
and SHINJI would be even taller.

However, as a result of Asha, I shall offer you a choice.
1d6 from 6 players. The sum of the rolls will be summed up and added to her height in centimeters
Yes or no?
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>>4756708
Yes
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>>4756708
nah
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Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>4756708
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>>4756708
Yes.
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>>4756708
Yes give us snek mommy.
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>>4756708
Yes.
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Rolled 1 (1d6)

>>4756708
YES
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>>4756708
Count my vote as an extra for whatever the drawfag says. He's my favorite drawfag ever, he must be kept happy.
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Rolled 4 (1d6)

>>4756708
Yes
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Also she's apparently somehow only 55kg despite having that pretty damn long dragon tail. What the fuck is it made out of?
Helium?
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>>4756703
We can have Assassin smuggle out stuff from Albion. Usually a lot of the good stuff is taken by the Lords.
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Rolled 6 (1d6)

>>4756708
yes
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Rolled 4 (1d6)

>>4756708
sure
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>>4756733
And she can help us sneak at night with the Shroud for fun nighttime adventures. There's absolutely no way we're leaving her behind.
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>>4756732
"spiritron particles lmao"
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Rolled 6 (1d6)

>>4756734
Easy there anons, I hadn't called it yet.
Now you can roll from here.
Bonus roll from QM
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Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>4756740
rollin
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Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>4756740
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Rolled 6 (1d6)

>>4756740
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Rolled 1 (1d6)

>>4756740
ok
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Rolled 6 (1d6)

>>4756740
ayylmao
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Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>4756740
Alright let's do it.
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Rolled 6 (1d6)

>>4756740
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Rolled 4 (1d6)

>>4756740
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Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>4756740
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>Half of the rolls were sixes
Asha was on Vritra's side today.
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169+28 is 197cm.
She's 2 meters tall.
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>>4756740
yuge snek gf

now Gorgon calls her mummy

As for clocktower, Chiyome, Medea, Touko, Morgan, Mordred, Obeithion, Rin, Sakura, Shirou, Tamamo, JK and maybe Karna and Ciel because I want more of Karna's deadpan serious autism in more SoL situations and a lie detector is never bad. Ofc Shirou can always trace fragglerock but that's a bit more obvious and violent.
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I hope we'll get Quetz one day.
>>4756740
>>4756743
>>4756744
>>4756745
>>4756747
>>4756748
>>4756749
>6+2+3+6+1+6+3
>27 cm taller
Not bad. Not bad at all.
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So... another 27cm...
making her 196cm tall...
Or 6 foot and 5 inches tall.
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>>4756761
That's a huge bitch
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>>4756757
and can't forget EMIYA
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>>4756761
So is she going to assert her dominance over the smaller women?
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>>4756761
this makes her the tallest woman in the Nasuverse so far, excluding giants.
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>>4756757
Isn't Touko kind of on the run from the Clocktower?

>>4756769
A verse of manlets and womanlets.
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>>4756757
Oh shit yeah. Ciel with Roa's knowledge. Roa was retard good as a magus. If she remembers his Numerology+Kabbalah RM she can teach bits of it to us.

You can even pass down RMs, so its possible definitely piecemeal to learn principles.
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>>4756761
Great. Not all 6 but I take it.
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>>4756769
Ibuki has her 3 meters tall One Piece character thing going on.

Anyway, taking into account her greater size and her huge tail... I'm gonna say she weighs 126kg
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>>4756773
What are they gonna do about it. They still honor her patents. They'd still want her knowledge if she put her handup to teach
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>>4756778
She's a big girl.

>>4756779
Alright, I'll accept that justification. It'll be fun!
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>>4756778
We can still lift her the Reinforcement just fine, right?
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>>4756758
Pic looks like she grooms middle school boys, and shows up to their school everyday after school to the target's embarrassment.
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>>4756778
you need to be at least this reinforced to ride the dragon
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>>4756781
for you
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>>4756778
>Immortal giant yandere woman shows up after we disappear for 3 seconds, and she refuses to leave our side.
Poor Sakura.
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>>4756784
You're currently being superbuffed due to the environment and Ares' Sash. Physically, you're around about a C-B rank Servant right now. You could lift a car with ease.
Also you don't even need reinforcement, Shinji is physically very fit
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>>4756789
And this is the third time something similar has happened today. She's never leaving us out of her eyes ever again.
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>>4756789
She is also anti-Beast and anti-Threat to Humanity.
And she cannot be stopped.
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>>4756778
hey whatis, does Bedivere exist as a possible servant in this timeline? I wanna be bros with bedi
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>>4756797
Showing Bedi his king found love and settled down would make him happy.

He's also very tall now that we're on the subject. We could fix his arm too.
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>>4756789
being a Tohsaka means being a cuck in this timeline
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>>4756794
Nasuhuman Fit like Kirei jogging 50km/hour casual or pseudo-Mountain Hobo Bajiquan MA user Fit.
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>>4756794
So you telling me we should bridal carry Vritra?
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>>4756802
Yes
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>>4756794
>you don't even need reinforcement
To comfortably carry her around with height difference we have and her huge tail? Well, all good for me.
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>>4756798
EXCAIBA PIMPU SURAPP
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>>4756800
God damn it, Nasu really has no real sense of scale, does he?
Pegasus is horribly slow in the grand scheme of things.
Imagine your body is physically around the level of Kuzuki.
We can always pretend that Kirei was using CHURCH MAGIC/reinforcement to do his crazy bullshit.
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>>4756805
She wraps the tail around to help
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>>4756800
martial arts can straight up turn you superhuman in Nasuverse, nothing magical, literally just punch hard
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>>4756808
Sure, but it makes his usage of CS to reinforce against Kerry weirder...it also makes him not stomping Kerry weirder.

Thanks Uro/Nasu.

Humans stronk.
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>>4756808
He probably was to be fair.
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>>4756808
Doesn't Kirei have both reinforcement and church blessings plus he is the strongest executor of the church. If believe he can run far faster then that.
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>>4756813
Li Shuwen just did MA as a modern dude so well he could delete himself from the World. Iron Plate is just church technique to throw Black Keys like tank shells. Jacob's Limbs exist.
So yeah, true.
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>>4756817
Yeah I think Kirei was just a monster. According to Nasu, Prime Kirei with command seals could defeat Ciel
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>>4756809
It feels kind wrong to fight our good old grandpa now after this.
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>>4756819
>According to Nasu, Prime Kirei with command seals could defeat Ciel
Ciel or Powered Ciel?
Is Ciel Immortal? Because Kirei just gets destroyed by attrition in that case.
Is Ciel willing to use Roa's magecraft knowledge? Because if she is, again, Kirei gets stomped, command spell boosts or not.
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>>4756818
Goddamn it tell me we can get him soon. We should finish our ma and get ground shrinker. MA has been bloody useless this whole time. Get it high enough to get ground shrinker and break human physical limits.

Starting over with another martial art would be hard, considering snake style took three years to get to C+.
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>>4756819
I seem to remember that as Nasuism from how 4th war was Kirei's brightest moment of his life something something themes like Shirou in UBW vs Gil.

But we can take it as powerlevel if we detach it from Nasu's literary romanticism.
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>>4756824
>Mwahahaha! Shinji! fall to unlimited harem works! you'll never kill me if I drown you in increasingly overpowered women Mwahahaha!
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>>4756826
>Kirei Kotomine

>Nasu Kinoko & Takeuchi Takashi • Character Discussion

>Nasu: There were many Command Spells on his arm. In fact, at one point there was this idea to present the effect of the Command Spells consumed to defeat Zouken in Fate/Stay Night with all the bells and whistles. With about ten Command Spells, even a human being can damage a Heroic Spirit. Ultimately I did not get the chance to do so. Mmm, True Assassin was not as reliable as I thought he would be (sweat drop)."

>Takeuchi: Speaking of strength, who is stronger, Ciel or Kotomine?

>Nasu: Ciel is overwhelmingly strong, due to her circuits, constitution and immortality. The strength of Kotomine at the time of Zero was due to his abnormally large number of Command Spells and his tenacity towards Kiritsugu. It was truly the brightest moment of his life. The Kotomine at that time could even win against Ciel.
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>>4756824
he keeps throwing women at us, this is like the 6th woman
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>>4756835
From CM 2 - Character material I have is this.

Nasu: Kirei's role in Sakura's route was essentially the opposite of the whole "wouldn't it be scary if Saber was an enemy?" concept in that we took the guy everyone hated and made him a formidable ally. I believe that particular idea was summed up well in that one scene where Kirei was running with Illya in his arms. While Shirou was the uncertain adolescent in "stay night", Kirei had already dealt with his uncertainties by "Zero", making him incredibly powerful. When infiltrating Einzbern Castle, Kirei asked "You haven't even been rock climbing before?" as if it was the most basic milestone of childhood. It makes you wonder about Kirei's childhood... (laughs)

Takeuchi: Speaking of being powerful... Who's stronger: Ciel or Kirei?

Nasu: Ciel is by far more powerful. Just take her lineage into consideration, and add to that her immortality. Kirei's prowess in "Zero" was rooted in the sheer number of Command Spells at his disposal as much as it was in his obsession with Kiritsugu. Suffice to say, it was his golden age. I believe the "Zero" Kirei could have defeated Ciel."
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>>4756834>>4756837
Dear old gramps just wants us to continue the Makiri bloodline
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>>4756835
But what the fuck does that mean, Nasu?!
She's immortal.
The Church literally already tried everything they had to kill her and nothing worked!
She'd just get up and shrug it off!
And if she's got her Holy Scripture she's even more busted.
And again, if she wants to use her Age of Gods level magecraft from Roa's memories, then Kirei has no answers.
Fucking Kirei with Command Spells couldn't even cope with Kiritsugu with worse immortality.
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>>4756841
Its super obvious what it is. Nasu doesn't believe quite absolutely in power levels. He always goes "what feels right" and "whats a good story" according to him.

Its even a thing in interviews when people ask him shit. He's not good with logic and always goes for storybook romanticism and fairy tale-isms for some reason and THEN justifies it backwards iirc, or at least it was enough of a thing to be talked about in some interview?

About who wins things.
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>>4756840
Well, that was why he adopted Sakura in the first place.
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>>4756841
>Age
I think he meant Kirei could trap her or immobilize her and that counts as defeat.
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>>4756843
>Shinji! get down her and fuck your new sister! the matou BLOODLINE must continue! I'd do it but I'm worms
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>>4756840
>SHINJI, I NEED YOU TO CONTINUE THE MATOU BLOODLINE
>I bought Tokiomi's girl off him and trained her just for you
>You've seemed to make her fall for you so you've made my job easier
>Don't worry, in case she's not willing, I made sure she will literally die if she doesn't receive your seed
>DO IT BOY, YOU WILL REVIVE THE MATOU BLOODLINE
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Phoneposting rn

>>4756841
Maybe this is in the context of a casual spar or something

>>4756729
Ehhhhh

Vote for what you want my guy, I don't wanna swing the results one way without presenting a compelling argument for it
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>>4756849
...that is LITERALLY how it went down when we saved her from the rapeworms.
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>>4756843
Nasu is just unfair to Shinji. He has Kirei in HF as a somewhat ally against assassin and in Illya/Miyaverse as a redeemable guy but Shinji gets fucked over in both. The closest we get is Extra and he's an right year old that just dies. In Illyaverse it doesn't seem like he exists. Which doesn't make sense because his parents and Sakura have a cameo.
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>>4756841
I think it was someone analysing his writing on the part where Shiki speedblitzes Arc, then Nero Chaos and all his familiars before Nero notices him move and dotstabs him, then Nero Chaos after he ate a bit of Arc and powered up in another route or something. Then gets blitzed by Nero Chaos familiars other times and blitzed by Arc and SHIKI and...

It came down to themes. The closest solution was something something Shiki represents the acceptance of death and the determination to live one's life to the best ones ability regardless vs vampires who extend their life through any means and forget the goals they did that for which was continued a bit in Zouken.

Nasu is a thematics autist, because Nanaya Training should kick in a lot of times, not just after Shiki has an internal monologue.
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>>4756855
I don't think he is? He seems like he's kind of a fan of Shinji and seems to give him some admirable traits like being a good friend and being a legit polymath who can excel at anything that's not magic. It honestly felt like Shinji raping Sakura was tact on, at least to me
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>>4756853
>without presenting a compelling argument for it
But you did provide a compelling argument for it! I said you'd be my favorite drawfag ever, and I'm a man of my word.

It's not like it's an important story-related vote.

>>4756855
Eh. Shinji is kinda an abuse victim too, but that doesn't absolve him of being a little shit. You could even say the ending to UBW is kinda his redemption, though I kinda hate it.
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>>4756853
>Maybe this is in the context of a casual spar or something
I guess that makes sense.
I could see Ciel theoretically losing in a non-battle to the death.
>>4756857
Nasu isn't a very consistent writer.
My favourite is Rin with reinforcement
>Rin is also proficient with reinforcement sorcery, allowing her to strengthen her legs so much that she can run over one hundred meters in less than seven seconds, fast enough to be perceived as a blur to a regular human.
Which is just above peak Olympic Level.
Very impressive, Rin.
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>>4756855
Something I've always wanted to see is a fanfic that takes place after UBW, Shinji technically got everything he ever wanted and got away relatively unscathed too remember he sort of became the host for angra mainyu for a bit and he's still healthy for some reason
>>4756854
In this thread we learned that the real chris redfields were the wormpas we made along the way
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>>4756864
>Eh. Shinji is kinda an abuse victim too, but that doesn't absolve him of being a little shit.
Thats probably true, but that would also transitive property over to Sakura eating a lot of people in HF so uh. I can accept both and have no problems with either people, but just so you know.

Kirei even called her out it being just her own will and impulse and not Angra and she just went "yeah so what".

She totally got traumatized as shit, but you know.

Or we can just simplify it and you like Sakura and not Shinji and thats okay. I like simplifying "dilemmas" like that.
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>>4756865
Its weird too cause the Tohsaka used to be extremely proficient in martial arts like 2 or 3 generations ago and Rin is straight up better and stronger than Kirei, only losing in most of their matches because Kirei would just goad her and break her down

>>4756868
I remember a fanfic where Shinji ends up regretting everything he did to Sakura and changes his last name to Emiya so he can completely disassociate with the Matou family and because he wanted to have the same name as the person he admired and liked. Also he slowly dies of Angra AIDS and Sakura kills herself to kill Zouken
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>>4756865
TLers and lore autists where I frequently look for stuff also figured out that the scaling between Apoc, Strange Fake, GO and Stay Night is, according to Nasu, not a change.

It was just that he wanted to write an Urban Fantasy story and a single weapon exchange would blow up the city.

So technically, SN Servants also scale to shit like Mordred's clashes in Apoc making the Hanging Gardens hundreds or thousands of feet in the air shake and Hercules' "mountain busting strength" strikes not being hyperbole even tho it hit the ground and didnt explode the city.

Thanks Nasu.
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>>4756864
Ya but if Sakura can be absolved at the end of HF after all that shit then Shinji should be on the same boat. That's what gets me about Shinji, he's a double standard. He's not a romance target, powerful or has tits so no redemption or good timeline for you. While Gil, Kirei, Zouken etc have good timelines.
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>>4756874
>Its weird too cause the Tohsaka used to be extremely proficient in martial arts like 2 or 3 generations ago and Rin is straight up better and stronger than Kirei,

Remember when in Unlimited Codes Rin says fuck it and takes out the Tohasak inherited Gem Grimoire from they got via Nagato from Zelretch activates a "gem type melee formal dress mystic code" and fucking punches Servants out and kills them?

And Tokiomi canonically had this iirc, he just wanted to win "elegantly" to prove his way of life.
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>>4756874
Isn't that letters to tohsaka or something?
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>>4756876
For some reason I strongly remember Excalibur being used at one point and creating a very small and unimpressive crater.
Did that happen?
I swear that happened somewhere.
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>>4756880
yes
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>>4756883
I remember this guy called onetrueemiya he made a pretty decent shinji fic, it blurred the line between crack and being decent but he never finished it
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>>4756879
What the hell? Are the Tohsaka's Jobbers? I feel like Nasu is pulling a StarWars where characters and settings from the OG gets buffed in later works.

Wasnt Kirei better then Rin because his MA was made to incorporate magecraft while Rin's was basic?
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>>4756882
and in Nu-Anime version Excalibur being activated made a city-sized light cross in the entire sky. How the fuck do you cover that up.

Also, Excalibur should blow bigger holes than Karna's nuke memes.

Well, Excali can be tuned, so that makes sorta sense if she made it work like that? Its effects depends on how much you put into it, as it has no "mystic code" like basic effect except one, which is as a "Sword of Amplification" with the attributes of Convergence and Amplification, so the output depends on input and it scales until it breaks, but not even Planet Defense Mode breaks it. It probably has some other effects we don't know because Marmyadose says its only stronger than Excali in "combat power", so it should have other powers, and Merlin says some shit about it having a will.
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>>4756879
>And Tokiomi canonically had this iirc, he just wanted to win "elegantly" to prove his way of life.
No fucking way, source?
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>>4756887
Before the Tohsaka stole Gemcraft from the Edelfelt Family in the 3rd War by marrying a woman from the Edelfelts and basically running away back to Japan, the Road to the Root the Tohsaka sought was "becoming one with the universe via martial arts" based on chinese martial arts.

This comes up in Apoc where they go back to that instead iirc, when Sakura is sent to the Edelfelts? Or some other work this happens, but it does.
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Say, how old is Caren now? Set her up with Rin (lol

One-up the guy who killed your dad by banging his daughter too
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>>4756890
Rin
:
Archer... Why are you hiding on the premises? You didn't even ask me if it was OK.

I don't know if you're just being overprotective, or if you just don't think I have it in me...

Fine. I'm not going to rely on you, anymore.

I hate being on the defensive, and it's not in Tohsaka blood to just hole up somewhere, waiting and watching.

Hmm... I could have sworn there was something about thaumaturgic jewel close combat formal dress in Great Teacher's grimoire.

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Kirei
:
To be honest, I'm quite surprised that you've gotten this far. I knew that you were still fighting, but I had no idea that it was without a Servant.

It appears that Tokiomi-sensei had a powerful book of thaumaturgy hidden away.

Rin:
Dad was such a genuine magus that he probably didn't care for such a book of such uncivilized thaumaturgy.

I guess I don't need to say this, but the reason I've made it this far is because of my apprentice training. So you could actually say that you're the reason that I've done so well.
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>>4756889
>How the fuck do you cover that up.
Aurora Borealis?
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>>4756895
Also she punches out Saber too

Saber: Rin!? What are you doing all by yourself!?

Rin: Can't you tell? I'm winning the Holy Grail War! Archer isn't doing what I say and it's really annoying me. So I figured I would show him what a Master is made of. So, do you mind going head-to-head with me, Saber? Don't worry, I'm more than skilled enough to give you a good fight.

Saber: Do you even know what you are saying? It is very dangerous for you to be here alone. Please get back to Archer immediately! It does not matter whether we are enemies or not, there is no chivalry in fighting you all alone!

Rin: God, you are so stubborn. I guess there's no use, huh? I didn't think Great Master's grimoire would have worked this quickly though... ... OK. I can definitely get a hit in if Saber slips up... Alright, listen up, Saber. I'll go back to the manor if you defeat me. But... If I win, then you'll be my Servant from now on.

Saber: Rin!? Please stop fooling around. My sword cannot turn down a challenge!
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>>4756894
13

>>4756889
Excal has been wanked so hard as the strongest beam sword

>>4756891
Apoc is the best timeline for Fuyuki, also Shirou is kinda the same, he's still into justice and shit but he didn't almost burn to death
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>>4756890
From Unlimited Codes the Fighting Game.
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>>4756891
wait they married her? i thought they kidnapped her during the third war. Damn it now i got to double check.
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>>4756895
is this in anywhere else or just in Unlimited Codes? Cause they do some bullshit in that game just to make it make sense, like Sasaki somehow killing Herc without a master
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>>4756896
Gas leak of course
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>>4756903
Wasn't Sasaki in that game boosted by Medea's CS just before the fight? I remember that being a thing.
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>>4756903
>Sasaki somehow killing Herc without a master
What is Heracles, if not a larger swallow?
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>>4756902
its left ambiguous as to what exactly happened, the Tohsaka heir at the time likely just seduced her since the Tohsaka are supposed to be "the good ones"
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>>4756903
Also, Melty is canon where TATARI makes a little girl beat up Arc and Aoko with Bajiquan memes, and then gets beat up too, because. You need to accept the truth, even if it hurts.
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>>4756869
I don't see them as REMOTELY the same. Sakura suffered in the rapeworm basement for literally a decade, since she was a little child. She was dead inside until she met her high jumper and silently carried her suffering in order not to burden him or her sister. It took an EXCEPTIONAL set of circumstances regarding her finding hope and having it snuffed out for her to snap. And she did a lot of damage after she snapped only because she had access to a lot of power.

Shinji, meanwhile suffered from some lightweight psychological abuse regarding his worthiness as a Matou heir. Not good for a child, certainly, but it wasn't that big of a deal compared. He was still filthy rich, retardedly popular at school and good at everything he did except magecraft. But he was a horrible friend to Shirou and he raped and abused his little sister just because he could and just because he blamed her for his inferiority complex. He did little damage only because he had little power, and he would have melted his entire school if he hadn't been stopped. Ineffectiveness does not make him a better person

I like Sakura BECAUSE I sympathize with her circumstances, not the other way around. I think our major difference in outlook is utilitarianism. Sakura killed more people, therefore she is worse than Shinji who only succeeded in abusing a single girl. But I count intent and circumstances as well, and both of those go way in favor of Sakura.

>>4756877
Come on, man. UBW. Shinji gets his good ending in 1/3 routes, same as Sakura. I get it, you like him, but you don't need to go far at all for someone to find reasons to hate him. Nothing to do with him being a romance target, powerful, or his tits.
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Also i never got canon Shinji's motivations. He wants to do mage craft that's fine but he never made an effort. Even if he got the power from the grail he wouldn't be able to use it and have to play catch up. He didn't even study formula craft or look for loopholes like using familiars.
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>>4756913
he actually did but he literally couldn't do magecraft, his magic circuits were unusable unless you jam the lesser grail into him. I think he just had tunnel vision and wanted to do just magecraft and be the heir
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>>4756913
I thought he did study formalcraft, it's just a lost cause when you don't have any circuits and have to rely on the pitiful amounts of ambient mana.
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What are we doing atm? What vote won
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>>4756918
GTFO+mentally talk to her about hacking.
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>>4756911
I do judge evilness on a result+intention scale, but intent only matters if it makes it more likely for an actor to arrive at "evil results" again, with actions having more weight.

Shinji would not have killed as many people nor abused as many as thoroughly as a spillage of Angra Mainyu could.

Result wise, its clear.

Intent Shinji is a shit and would freely murder people if it got him what he wanted, but without a Servant and magecraft, which he won't have after the War...

Sakura was broken by suffering and wanted to spread suffering as I understand it. Its a simpler and purer motivation, but it doesn't detract form the result, merely adds less to it.

I probably would have always fallen into Mind of Steel ending desu in HF, so its not a surprise to me.

I am just saying, your interpretation definitely is not universal and its a bit weird to me, but I can also understand my own being weird to you.

Circumstances and motivations do not reduce results and thats that. I just don't care if our allies and friends and loved ones are evil, I just recognize that I would think that of them. I just don't care about it, for example Shuten and co.
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>>4756920
Talk to who about hacking
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I wonder how many people would've wanted a Shinji route if he was a girl, but still a massive asshole.
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>>4756922
Suzuka can hack the Moon Cell. Ergo she can hack a smaller Photonic Crystal Computer. Even Atlas uses them.
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>>4756923
Me
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>>4756923
Would be fun
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>>4756921
In short, I appreciate Sasaki's viewpoint. To him, killing people is evil. So he calls himself evil even if he goes on to sword the fuck out of people. To him its an obvious truth, but who cares.
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>>4756921
I NEVER said my interpretation is universal. I've always said it's my own opinion, as biased as the opinion of any other human being. I don't care if people agree or disagree, but you have to admit your own interpretation is far from universal too. I certainly find your perspective weird though. Too reductive, too focused on raw numbers.

I don't put nearly the same weight on the outcome and number of deaths, because it's so reliant to the means one has at his disposal and means should have no bearing on an ethical judgment. A school shooter who uses an assault rifle to kill 50 people is just as bad to me as a school shooter who uses a knife and kills 3. And a psychopath who kills a single man just because he could is a worse villain than someone who killed 1000 if he had an understandable reason, like snapping, or protecting someone, or an accident or whatever. Case by case basis, always.

And I don't really see how you can admit that Shinji would freely murder people if it got him what he wanted, and not see him as worse than Sakura who wouldn't.
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>>4756923
I would have liked any kind of Shinji route.
Extra proved you can have cool moments with Shinji's personality and motivations, but there have been very few times in the Nasuverse where Shinji wasn't just wheeled out to be annoying or pathetic.
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>>4756923
People like Shuten and other chaotic evil characters so if Shinji had boobs then id bet he would have a route.

>>4756911
If were using scale of suffering as a metric then Shinji had in your words light abuse and tortured one girl while Sakura had a lot so she slaughtered half a city making them equal.

Honestly it just comes down to Shinji doing shit to the heroine that makes him evil. If for example Zouken had a way to be saved I'd guarantee no one would even though his current state was an unintentional result of idealism.
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has it still not been called yet?
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>>4756957
I'm writing it, just been suffering a little bit of Writer's Block
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>>4756944
Wasn't HF basically the Grail giving Sakura the means to make everyone feel what she feels so that last sentence is kinda wrong.

Besides i think what he meant was at least Shinji kills for a reason like all magus but HF Sakura killed out of spite. He's going off the intent and end goals of both characters.
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>>4756944
In HF route the feeling I got from Sakura was that she would continue to kill people not to get what she wants, but for the sake of killing. This is as of her stint as the Shadow, as we dont take reformed Shinji as the argument per end of UBW.

Someone like that, to me, is more evil than a killer of greed. Someone who kills to acquire or take or be feared can be theoretically satisfied and will stop. Someone who commits such acts from a broken worldview or suffering or such, as to the degree Sakura suffered and got mudded extra, probably wont. This makes her expected negative value way higher. For one, even if their desires escalate it has a human ceiling even if its horrific. Sakura as per Angra+Wormabuse+eating souls probably wont ever stop escalation as of my understanding.
Sakura in HF does more evil,
and I expect her to do even more later, compared to the mundane, relatively, of Shinji's evils of abuse and murder.
This would not apply to a realistic abuse story I reckon. But bro. She is doing All The World Evil a favor and will continue.
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>>4756958
Oh no
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>>4756958
quest over
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>>4756956
You don't understand my point at all man. I'm saying the opposite of what you think I'm saying. That you can't reduce it to pure math. It's not "Abuse suffered"-"Abuse Inflicted"="Final moral value" at all. It's a case by case value judgement, where the reasons are more important than the outcome.

Perhaps you should try a little harder to understand people before you try to judge them and dismiss their opinions entirely as resulting from boobs or "doing shit to the heroine"?

>>4756960
>make everyone feel what she feels
Is an understandable motive to me. The abuse victim couldn't take it any more and snapped. A perfectly human motivation. She's not killing to get what she wants, because all she wants is Shirou and she knows she can't get it by killing.

>Shinji kills for a reason like all magus
That reason is personal power and advancement, and it's reprehensible to me. It's how a psychopath thinks. It's what I call Evil.

>>4756961
We see it the same way RE: Shinji's and Sakura's motivations. We just disagree on how to judge and interpret them. I see someone who kills to acquire or take or be feared as way worse than someone who commits such acts from a broken worldview or suffering or such. I see the first as Evil, willing to put himself ahead of others and harm them to get what he wants. I view the second as a tragic victim of circumstances. Not Good, but certainly not Evil either. I don't care nearly as much about escalation and outcome, because, again, those depend on the available means and means should have no bearing on an ethical judgment.

>>4756958
That is surprising, our current course of action has been pretty much set since yesterday, and you helped convince people about it when you confirmed Suzuka could hack the supercomputer.
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>>4756980
It's not a problem of knowing what I want to write, it's just thinking of the right way to actually put the words to paper that's doing me in.
Probably reallllllllllly doesn't help me that I'm working on less than 4 hours of sleep right now and have been up for 15 hours now.
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>>4756988
But I thought you had transcended the human limitations of sleep. I feel as if I looked behind the curtain and learned that my god is actually a mortal...

But I don't think any of us will blame you if you head to bed and come back to write tomorrow with fresh eyes. Not every night has to be autism night. Give the other QMs time to try and catch up,
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>>4756980
Very simply, instead of trying an absolute scale which would fail to make judgements on valueless, or rather invaluable objects, like lives, I take a relative value. I cannot calculate the worth of a life, but I can say 2 is greater than one, even if measuring infinities. Thus 2 killings are worse than one.

Since I cannot calculate the moral value of a motivation, because I cannot calculate the future, I place less value on them.

If I were to go case by case, I would abandon amy formalized system and just go with what feels right. Which would be, people I like=good, people I dont=bad. For everything.

For me, I cannot say there is such a thing thats not good or evil in this sense, but also no absolute in either direction, there is always higher/lower.

It does lead me to some weird calculations, GO example being that I was kinda OK. With Goetia's plan, as 1 eternal human would have the same value as an infinity of normal humans if I take joy as the positive value over infinite time and Kirschtaria too, as his God Humans would have a higher quality of life and experience.
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>>4756997
I still have Coffee.
Beanjuice will empower me.
Also, it's kind of not something that Shinji noticed at the time, but one of the people in Verde when Shuten did her mask thing was picrelated
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>>4757003
Disregard spooky pleasure paperclip-maximizers those are retarded in value calcs.
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>>4756980
Shinji was born into a magus family where that stuff was normal. plus i wasn't talking about you when it came down to the boobs comment but most of the fandom because when you look at FGO a lot of the heroes have done worse yet get a pass.
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>>4757005
I forgot. What mask thing.
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>>4757005
fuck, Rin is gonna be so fucking pissed at us
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>>4757013
Rin still has to find out we brought back the AoG, or are on the way, and said fuck secrecy at this point. Dr.Heartless BTFO, we did it by accident.
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>>4757012
>>4757016
Your Servant may have turned Rin's best mundane friend into an Oni. Rin is not going to be pleased.
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>>4757016
We haven't really done that yet. We seem to intend to but to do it immediately after teh war would be foolish without some sort of agency and defenses set up to deal with the changes.

For example literal gods will be coming back and we need defenses so they don't go back to being dicks. Plus calm Gil down considering he did a lot to start there fall in the first place.
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>>4757019
Huh arrow girl gonna be relevant? thank you for introducing a draw back for bowing to Shuten.
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>>4757019
Chiyome can maybe undo it? Otherwise its like free healthcare in new AoG-AoM(Age of Myth? Age of Truth?)
So she can protect herself. Use our Charisma and Investment skill to sell it.
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>>4757019
gonna need to speech check this one and blame Manaka while also promising to fix things
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>>4757003
>Thus 2 killings are worse than one.
And here's the basis of our disagreement. For me, the value of a human life is incalculable. Infinity + Infiity = error. And since I can't judge infinities, I try to judge everything else

Perhaps I should illustrate my point with an example
>A bus driver wants to kill himself and crashes the bus with no survivors. 20 people die.
>A pilot wants to kill himself and crashes the plane with no survivors. 100 people die.
For you, the pilot is worse because he killed more people. For me, they're both exactly as bad. If the pilot was driving the bus then he would have killed 20, and if the bus driver was piloting the plane he would have killed 100. The number of people they killed was only a result of the accident of their circumstances and available means, and so cannot be used to judge them.

Or alternatively, I see a soldier who killed a hundred people to defend his country and home as a hero and an invading soldier as a villain, even if he didn't kill a single human before he died.

Anyway, I think we understand each other well enough that we can agree to disagree, so I intend to drop this. Have a happy Sakura! May her smile never falter in our timeline!

>>4757005
Oh shit. At least we were already planning on asking them if they wanted to stay as Oni. I assume she'll say no, and a week-long vacation as oni won't be TOO bad for her.

>>4757010
He went to a normal school though, he was surrounded by normal kids, and even had a completely selfless best friend whom he exploited for free labor. He could have easily been a better person. His family is an excuse.

And I'm sorry for misreading your boob comment, I assumed it was connected with the rest of your post and addressed at me in addition to the others.

>>4757024
Hell yea, AoG is long-term plan.
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>>4757032
No, we will say the Truth while promising to fix things. Lying is beneath us.
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>>4757034
I mean, in my post I said I abstract away an invaluable thing to X and then calc. There ARE differences between infinities.

The infinity between 1 and 2 is smaller than between 5 and 10. Both contain between them an infinity of fractions, but their scales differ. Lets not even get into actual high grade math which does this non retarded like I do, but fuck actually using those calcs for anything.
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>>4757035
i mean Manaka literally is the reason why Shuten did it and we took the best option when we told Ibaraki to deal with it so they don't go around killing people. She might not like our idea of letting some of them stay that way though
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>>4757034
Also yeah its a different value system but we understand each other kinda. Sakura is fine as long as Tiamat is happy, I guess.
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>>4757035
Aren't the Oni controllable considering Shuten and her sister.

After this we really need to learn item creation. Looking at Vajra's NP i wonder if we can make that on purpose.

Also wonder if our new Saber can find a way we can keep the time dilation chamber or build a new one. It's a godsend for time management and we are going to need it if we intend to train/ learn while juggling the girls.
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>>4757042
I wrote this before I noticed the finished this line. RIP me
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Though, I am up for leaving Mitsuzuri as an Oni if she wants. It IS her choice, just as being a magus is Rin's...even if she inherited it. Archer girl even inherited it from a Great Progenitor you could say.
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>>4757046
feels like this would be a story breaker, 1000 to 1 ratio, we'd figure out how to dab on Manaka in like a day
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>>4757044
Manaka is kind of an excuse. We know it's mostly ours and Shuten's fault. Let's eat our lumps without trying to shift the blame. Rin won't blame us too much.

And their body their choice. If they want to stay as Oni, they'll stay as Oni. Rin has no say on the matter. She'll cope.

>>4757046
The oni are controllable by Ibaraki, yeah. And we have so many allies with busted item creation, that we'll be able to do absolutely busted stuff with some prep time.

I'd recommend against being too greedy and trying to keep grandpa's time dilation chamber. Even if Para can't build us a new one, we'll manage.

>>4757047
Don't worry fren. S'all good. Have a Tiamat!
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>>4757056
its not though, Shuten was forced to act a certain way, may as well blame Medusa for liquifying people too even though she didn't want to
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>>4757056
The reason why i want Shinji to learn is to see if we get a mutation of the ability like healing and magical surgery did.

If we get an item it has to shorten our cast time for runes/truth and extend range. Those are our two bottle necks.
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Also RE:Kotomine's absurd stats
In Strange Fake the Overseer Priest, probably also Executor, does this casually, not as an attack, but to throw some money as a demonstration of rando human kid he picked up in the mountains after his village got DA'd. Not Hobo trained, not assassin trained.

"You want some pocket money?"
"Can I?"
"Yeah. I'll give it to you, if you can 'take' it," the priest said without looking at him... and launched a foreign silver coin with the force of a bullet.
Good grief. The bishop must not know my other face, or he wouldn't have asked so nonchalantly...
That silver coin should have passed by about a meter to one side of Hansa, and embedded itself in the wood inside.
Still, I'd definitely feel guilty about dragging a child into it.
Dilo's acquaintance apparently assumed that, if he startled the boy a little, he would refuse on his own. However...
At the same time he fired, the boy leapt towards the silver coin, and neatly caught it. The coin that had been launched with enough force to penetrate wood. With his bare hand."

They also fight DA Jester by speedblitzing him Jester is casual bullet timer.
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>>4757060
The difference is, we could have stopped Shuten if we'd gone to talk with her alone like she asked. We couldn't have done anything to stop Medusa from liquefying the prison.

I don't blame either Shuten or Medus. I blame us. That was bad wording on my part.

>>4757061
I wonder what Truth item creation would even do.
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>>4757062
Executor are absurd. Kirei was prob also just busted. No reinforcement just Church Techs.

"Without taking a breath, Hansa kicked off the floor, and met the rubble head-on. The priest's arms swayed like heat haze. A moment later, the rubble buckshot, which had included chunks of concrete a meter across, turned to mist and blew through his body."
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>>4757066
Well actually my bad. This dude at this point is 7/10ths a Church Cyborg, apparently. Mountain kid grew up to be a cyborg vampire hunter priest.
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Apologies, one of the anons in my quest got a little rowdy and fucked with the suptg archive.
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>>4757068
Go to sleep. Take care of yourself man.
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>>4757068
Hopeman would have been so based, but I'm kinda digging JK fox as Clocktower's Stacy.

>>4757077
What did he do? I don't see anything wrong with the archive.
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>>4757081
Of course you don't.
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>>4757081
eh, check the archive of Joffrey Quest
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Still. Cyborgman does give us some Church Info.

"Jester made the police special forces weapon, which he must have borrowed without anyone noticing, spit out a hail of bullets. At the same time, he let loose with a shotgun — also police equipment — in his left hand. A quantity of projectiles sufficient to make mincemeat of any ordinary man closed in on Hansa.
Just then, however, Hansa's body seemed to sway like a heat haze. He evade most of the bullets without even using his Black Keys, and batted some of them out of the air with this own hand. "

""The Burial Agency...? Me?"
The priest shook his head in apparent disgust, as if to say, "You don't know anything."
"You say some funny things, corpse. The likes of me doesn't hold a candle to them. I can't have you putting me on the same level."

Ciel should be Burial level. How would Kirei come close if Top Exceutor Cyborg can mist concrete rubble explosion shrapnel and bullet dodge? While Ciel should be vastly above. Nasu hurts.
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>>4757081
Oh excellent, they misarchived this thread.
So now I'm going to need to get in touch with the guys running Suptg to get it fixed.
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>>4757081
We'll get Hopeman and we'll reunite him with his waifu
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>>4757090
>Nasu hurts
You are certainly giving it way more thought than he ever did.

>>4757093
Amen
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>>4757092
Fucking hell. Some people are way too autistic.
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>>4757094
Its even worse because based on interviews Narita on SF always asked Nasu "Is this too OP?" and got either its fines or make it more OP.

We'll see how OP stuff will be in TsukiRe. We're also getting a remade DAA List.
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>>4757096
I'll fix it tomorrow anyway.
Or maybe I'll just leave a link to it in the next thread's description if I can't get it properly fixed.
I can't believe that I'm probably going to actually need to archive threads the moment I create them to avoid this autism in the future.
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>>4757100
I think he said something about Marvel superhero OP, so I'm guessing quite a bit. I have low expectations and I'll probably be disappointed.

>>4757103
Just dab on the haters. Their tears are delicious.
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>>4757100
We know Narita asks him, he got the ok from Nasu to make Enkidu OP and Alcides was a comprimse so Nasu can use Archer Herc later. TsukiR is gonna have some absurd shit going on, u guarantee it, Shiki is gonna be killing buildings and running faster than sound
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>>4757113
Shiki already blitzed Arc, Chaos and killed Nature in Tsuki Manga locally. Scale from there.

Shiki can kill Velber, discuss. when
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>>4757119
I can kill Velber
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>>4757144
He can kill Velber
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I could kill Veber if I had prep time.
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I already killed Velber, sorry
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What would happen if we got our hands on ORT and tried to apply the concept of Type Earth on it?
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>>4757219
>>4757230
Mechazeus Gigachad of Truth already killed Velber, sorry.
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>>4757247
How do you know that anon is not Zeus shitposting with us?
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>>4757250
Because Είμαι ο Δίας
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>>4757258
Ξέρω ότι αυτό δεν είναι η Αλήθεια.
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Alright, the archive is fixed.
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>>4757267
what about the update?
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>>4757280
Coffee flows through my veins.
I'm on my third cup.
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>>4757286
Sooooo. In a new thread?
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>>4757317
No, in this thread.
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"No, and before we do anything else, I want to get out of this chamber and to one of the connecting tunnels, I've got a bad feeling about remaining here." You really don't want to push your luck by remaining in this chamber for much longer than you have to, you've got a terrible feeling that if you do, something will end up going horribly horribly wrong for you, and for as much as you're tempted to use one of those spare summoning circles to try your luck at summoning yet another Servant, you should probably count yourself lucky that you managed to get somebody like Suzuka. She's pretty much the perfect way to counter somebody with a supercomputer like Paracelcus and Orochi have built thanks to her frankly busted calculatory abilities when she's using her second and third Noble Phantasms at the same time. While it might not be possible to completely hack and take control of ELIXIR entirely, she should very much be able to take control a few of the functions of the giant supercomputer, and that ought to be enough to avoid the whole automatic deletion aspect of it. In fact, it might also be enough to end the time dilation effect that is preventing you from properly meeting up with your allies. If time is allowed to flow here on a 1 to 1 ratio with the outside world, then you could hopefully leave it up to your allies to find their way in! Of course, if they were to simply enter in through the access point, that would put them in a great deal of peril as well, so perhaps it's for the best that they can't follow you just yet. At least not until you've managed to mess with ELIXIR somewhat. Having them all pop up right in front of the almighty magical supercomputer that can replicate basically any effect that it wants sounds like a dreadful idea. "Come on, let's get to the next tunnel along, before we get seen."

You start to sprint as quickly as you can, the reinforcing effect of the Sash of Ares' meaning that despite the huge size of the room, it only takes your group a few seconds to cross it entirely, and even that's not really with as much effort as you're currently capable of putting into the sprint. You just don't want to accidentally put too much strength into a step and completely destabilize the entire summoning array. There's a chance of the whole thing going haywire if it is messed with like that, and while that's kind of something you want to happen, it wouldn't do you much good if enough magical energy to blow up the entirety of Fuyuki went off in your face upon a single magical connection being broken. Not to mention the fact that it would likely only manage to totally alert Orochi to your presence and... well, the fact that you're still alive, and Vritra betrayed him. He seems to be too distracted to properly deal with your presence in this place right now, and that suits you just fine.
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When you reach the tunnel, you reach out to Suzuka through your mental link to her you want to confirm a few things with her. 'Suzuka, do you think that if you were to use Blessing of Wisdom and Trichiliocosm together, you'd be able to overwhelm an enormous Photonic Crystal Supercomputer that is being used by the God Orochi and Paracelsus to interfere with all sorts of natural laws? ' It's a relatively simple question, and one that you hope that she'll say is possible, it should theoretically be possible for her to hack into the system with her immense calculatory abilities, after all. 'Like... hack into it, I mean.'

'You're... frighteningly well informed about my abilities, Master. But if the situation calls for it, I will use both of my Noble Phantasms, though I should warn you that using Trichiliocosm for too long won't end well for me. I'd rather it not come to that.' You keep running through the long tunnel as you speak with Suzuka, though you've massively reduced your pace just a little now, not wanting to come out into the next overflow chamber just yet, this tunnel seems to be incredibly long anyway though..

'Well, that's good news, because I was hoping that you could cancel out some of the things the crystal is doing, if you can put a stop to the fact that it is causing time to run at a scale of one thousand times the pace of the outside world, then it would give my allies in the physical world the time they need to infiltrate themselves. Also, this Photonic Crystal: ELIXIR, has a function in which it is apparently capable of deleting somebody entirely five times a second, so if you could also interfere with that it would be gr-' You're about to mention maybe applying a concept to Suzuka, but at that moment, your mental communication with Suzuka is interrupted as Vritra suddenly shouts out in alarm.

"We have a bit of a problem after us!" The tall woman's shout causes you to turn your head back as you continue running, and you can see an intense white hot glow of heat spreading after you, as flames of impossible heat race after you! Damn it! You can't outrun something like this, can you? You only have a few seconds before it catches up to you at your current speed so you better make your mind up fast as to what you're going to do!

>Form a barrier of truth around yourself, Vritra and Suzuka
>Form a wall of truth to block off the entire tunnel.
>Throw the Runic Link at the flames.
>Push yourself to your limits, try to outrun the white hot flames racing towards you.
>Write-in...
Update probably full of errors, too sleepy, just wanted to post SOMETHING
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>>4757455
Suzuka
>Form a wall of truth to block off the entire tunnel.
>Throw the Runic Link at the flames.
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I guess nobody was expecting an update so late compared to my usual.
I'm really sorry about the lack of updates today.
I'll try for my usual four a day tomorrow.
Maybe 5 if I can get votes in fast enough.
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>>4757484
It's fine QM you're already faster than most of the other QM on this board. We are already spoiled by your update speed so a late update isn't a bother to us.
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>>4757484
Try getting a good sleep
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>>4757455
>Form a wall of truth to block off the entire tunnel.
>Throw the Runic Link at the flames.
>>4757019
Now it is her non-mundane friend!
>>4756958
>Writer's Block
Cursed JK enjo kosai fox GF.
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>>4757455
>Throw the Runic Link at the flames.

Glad you could squeeze one last update out tonight!
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I just hope nobody has the stupid idea to erase gramps from existence. I mean we are still technically in the body of his biological grandson. How can we exist if he never did?
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Vritra is one of the best girls because her whole existance now directed into making sure humans improving themselves and overcoming obstacles in their way
She is here for us to make sure we git gud no matter what and she will enjoy every second of it
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>>4757484
There's really no need to apologise WhatIs. Don't worry about it, you could have gone to bed and still been the fastest QM in the board. We'll still love you even if you are only slightly faster than them instead of ludicrously faster.

>>4757743
I want to burn him like we burned the worms from Sakura. I agree I don't want to see what happens if we retroactively erase our grandpa from existence like Roa.

Energy venting in the outflow tunnel means one of three things:
A) This is normal, it happens regularly and we got lucky with the timing.
B) Grandpa knows we're here, he's venting plasma to burn us.
C) Summoning went through, our time has run out.

I don't believe it's C, but mostly because of how utterly fucked we'd be if we hadn't gotten kidnapped. We'd be here hours later with no chance to stop it.

I'll try to think if there's something better we can do than runecancer+bubble. Using a wall to block the entire flow probably causes the machine to blow a gasket and take us all with it.
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>>4757805
C would have actually just melted the whole mountain. Primordial flame is something that just doesn't seem to stop unless something is specifically done to stop it from burning another thing.
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>>4757810
C is what Orochi wants to happen and why he built the place. It would be exceedingly stupid of him if he miscalculated like that. And there's no mountain, we're currently in a structure floating in imaginary numbers space.
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>>4757813
I keep thinking we got into a hyperspace INSIDE of a mountain, my bad.
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>>4757805
>I'll try to think if there's something better we can do than runecancer+bubble. Using a wall to block the entire flow probably causes the machine to blow a gasket and take us all with it.
No wall means no air to breath as fire will consume everything not under Truth barrier
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Actually I don't recommend disrupting it too much by blocking the entire tunnel. I have a feeling its like a heartbeat or breath for the magical eet up with the supercomputer as the brain, and its an unonscious "action" or regulatory effect.

>Push yourself to your limits, try to outrun the white hot flames racing towards you.
>Throw the Runic Link at the flames.

A very basic idea. The Sash+Reinforcement should actually give us enough physical power to outrun it alongside others and throw ourself into another Chamber which should not have the Fire.

I don't want to block it all in case it causes a clogging and ruptures the tunnels and explodes everything, or blocking a bit in case Orochi finds us.

The runes should be fine. Its not as iconic tof us as Truth. Also, if we're lucky the fire spreading wil spread our runes very fast.
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>>4757455
>Push yourself to your limits, try to outrun the white hot flames racing towards you
>Throw the Runic Link at the flames.
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>>4757837
The rest of the facility still has a breathable atmosphere. A few seconds at worst before pressure equalizes and we can breathe again. If the air ignites that is, because AoG rules mean the natural laws are screwy.

Now, if we block off the tunnel, where does all this energy go?
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>>4757855
>few seconds
You think so
>all this energy go?
Chamber go boom and Wormpa got a lot of extra work to focus on
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>>4757852
Running is my 2nd best preference, but the problem I see with outrunning it is where do we go? Ahead of us is an outflow chamber that has to do something to make that energy disappear. I'm not sure we'll be able to exit it in time, and I don't want to be there when it does its thing.

Also, now that I think about it, won't the runecancer array burn before taking effect?
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I'll also throw in my baseless speculation that this line
>You can't outrun something like this, can you?
Means we can outrun it using Reinforcement+Sash, we just arent used to the Sash at all. It gives us like B Stats I seem to remember, with our body.
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>>4757858
>Chamber go boom
We die
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>>4757859
Higher Mystery defeats Lower Mystery, so who knows.

Also, Mystery is ddfinitely not equal to actual power.

You can have a lower Mystery Nuke than a higher Mystery killing technique or something.
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>>4757861
We died without air once already
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If we want to go ultra brain and gamble on running, I may even suggest trying a Mana Burst. Its basically jetting yourself and we havent tried it since we got Blessed and have the Sash. It probably really depletes us but we regen super fast as of right this second.

Not as a combat tech but maybe good for some speedburst? We also regen if we break something.
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>>4757862
Might be worth a try I guess, but it would also notify grandpa we're loose if he doesn't know already.

Also, what do you think RE: danger of the outflow room?

>>4757863
So instead you want to kill us by blowing up a hole in the space station and venting us out? A bold plan, I'll admit.

>>4757865
Do we even know how to mana burst?
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>>4757867
Mana Burst is instinctive to primal creatures like Oni and Dragons, it should be pretty Grug to comprehend. Or just try and fly like Okita Summer/Santa Alter by setting mana out the ass to go fast
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>>4757867
I think outflow obstruction bad. I also think a small bubble around is also bad, as Orochi will recognize the obstruction by calculating the parameters of the flow with his...you know, supercomputer.
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>>4757867
Also, Mana Burst is jetting mana, our Blessing makes us a perfect magical energy conductor, Sash stronk and we drain power from its Divinity to regen too iirc, as it counts as Holy Power?
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>Mana Burst (魔力放出, Maryoku Hōshutsu?, localized as "Prana Burst"EX, EXT) is the increase in performance caused by infusing one's weapons and body with Magical Energy and instantly expelling it. Simply put, recreating the effect of a jet burst by expending large amounts of Magical Energy.[10]

You just cum mana for a short burst

I just read through today's autism and I'm gonna go with run. But it'll have to be buffed run. Seeing as we seem to already be using the sash to run, but not at full throttle

>You start to sprint as quickly as you can, the reinforcing effect of the Sash of Ares' meaning that despite the huge size of the room, it only takes your group a few seconds to cross it entirely, and even that's not really with as much effort as you're currently capable of putting into the sprint. You just don't want to accidentally put too much strength into a step and completely destabilize the entire summoning array.

Shinji's not at max speed yet and we're out of the array, no?

Time for speed of sanic
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>>4757867
Anything is better to staying in vent and maybe we will find Akeldama/Awakening Sakura still floating in INS
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Alternatively if you want a real niggerman moment

>Mount Vrita and use your riding skill to escape the room as fast as she can go!
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>>4757455
>>4757880
Lets do it
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>>4757880
A+ Riding + her base A Agility is faster than our theoretical B Agility and no Riding buff.

If you want speed, this is the solution
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>>4757877
I'll await your full running plan with interest.

>>4757880
Sadly, I think we need to be prepared for that. Maybe next time. We can try if you want...? Just tell her we're doing it and do it?
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>>4757885
She just got yuge so why not give her a go?

Dragon's Blessing + Riding A+
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>>4757883
Technically, you'd be faster if you mounted the JK

Also holy shit looks like I'll be operating under 5 hours sleep again.
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>>4757888
Hmmmm... Tempting.
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>>4757888
We can ride dragons but we don't have Predatory Charisma (JK) to ride school girls
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>>4757885
She's already asking for it, she'll be fine. She already liked our original spontaneity and it's not often you can solve a crisis with a genuine but also complete meme answer which makes the quest more entertaining.

We need to get her use to being our subordinate so we can make her a maid.

>>4757888
She's too small though?

Also I just noticed you actually gave her A+ Agility. She's normally A which is why I didn't think of it.

She doesn't have shapeshift listed but she still can shapeshift, right? Just minor appearance stuff I imagine, nothing combat relevant

My problem with mounting JK is it immediately puts her in a weird mindset and she might spaghetti the gigabrain sword autism later. It complicates a currently fresh relationship.

Vrita is already attached so we can start changing that relationship into something more comical, maybe.
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>>4757880
Please no. Buffed run is fast enough. Imagine her telling Sakura we rode her when they meet. There will be blood.
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>>4757895
Uh, you could also say we rode Lugh right in front of Sakura. Complete with a Bridle. Which we asked for from her Servant.

We're kinda past that point.
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>>4757897
Lugh can turn into a wolf. Vritra is a snake woman. They are not the same.
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>>4757895
We can ride Tiamat too, Sakurafren
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>>4757894
>She's too small though?

I don't thinkk this is a thing with Servants. They seem to have some weird extra leverage and have good STR so she could carry us or be ridden.
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>>4757899
Uh huh. You think she missed how weirdly okay and eager Lugh was? Even Shinji noticed.
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>>4757903
Carry us definitely. Be ridden, It was a stretch in the first place.

Maybe just ask jk to carry us if we want max agility?
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>>4757905
Doesn't matter. Riding a wolf with her is not the same as riding a woman alone.
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>>4757894
Relative Fameboost due to Japan Connection + Incredible density of magical energy in evironment where she was summoned.
Vritra however is still probably faster straight up due to having Mana Burst and long legs.

>>4757877
I remember when players wanted to learn how to Mana Burst in Awakening because it's super simple shit and the players were meant to be playing a magical genius with a huge supply of magical energy, yet it was too difficult to figure out for him. Because it would've allowed him to overcome his jobbing nature.
That was fun.

>>4757897
Yeah but Lugh is a boy.
Sakura hasn't registered him as competition.Yet.

>>4757893
You don't need that to ride Suzuka because...
You're a super fit champion martial artist magic using self-made billionaire highschooler who's going to save the world, anon.
Your only hope of not having Suzuka decide that you're going to be her really cool boyfriend is if she never finds any of this out.

>>4757878
Ha.
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>>4757911
>Yeah but Lugh is a boy
For now. I remember elementals and his shapeshifting
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>>4757919
Yeah but Sakura hasn't figured out he's secretly hiding the ability to become a 6'6 gigastacy with better proportions than her yet
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>>4757911
>if she never finds any of this out.
What are the chances she instantly finds it all out when she Big Brains and plugs into the computer.
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>>4757921
Smh Sakura. She didn't continue learning about the dangers of magic shit? Like randomly encountering a one of a kind 3k year old Golden Werewolf.
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>>4757922
99.999 percent.
She'll probably also witness you first hand saving Sakura from Zouken.
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>>4757926
Based. I'm awaiting it.
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>>4757926
Which means she will also see us kissing her and confessing, right?
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>>4757911
>Your only hope of not having Suzuka decide that you're going to be her really cool boyfriend is if she never finds any of this out.
We are boned and that was Satsuki's gimmick
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>>4757911
>Your only hope of not having Suzuka decide that you're going to be her really cool boyfriend is if she never finds any of this out.
So we are fucked. Again.
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>>4757931
Seeing as ELIXIR is linked to Orochi/Zouken's mind and also his cope and seethe about you, and he didn't see that?
Probably not.
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>>4757931
She also sees us kissing Medea and Shuten and Tamamo if she sees that. Prob gets extra to our ""image"".
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>>4757932
>that was Satsuki's gimmick
No, that's being forgotten.
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>>4757936
Orochi really had such shitty coverage? Seimei is disappointed in his gods.
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>>4757936
How does Zouken know all the other stuff then? He burst into the room after we burned the worms. All he saw us do is princess carry her out the window.
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>>4757940
She's doing pretty well in the latest poll.
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Will she know about our private supersonic airfract?
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>>4757943
Inb4 zouken was mindlinked to Sakura and would've been even when we had sex with worms in her.
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>>4757911
>Your only hope of not having Suzuka decide that you're going to be her really cool boyfriend is if she never finds any of this out.
Sakura is gonna be fuming when we've been gone for not ten seconds only to have two more girls cling on us
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>>4757943
He had worms inside Sakura, remember?

>>4757942
Gilgamesh and Merlin are both making observing ANYTHING that goes on in this forest a fucking nightmare.
Gilgamesh is also randomly scattering around anti-scrying Noble Phantasms

>>4757945.
Speaking of which...
Touko is doing better than Arcueid!
It seems that jobbing to Orochi has managed to harm Arc's popularity.
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>>4757455
>Throw the Runic Link at the flames.
>Run. Run like hell. Push yourself to your limits. Maximum reinforcement + Ares's sash + Mana Burst to go even faster and try to outrun the white hot flames racing towards you.

Back to the topic at hand.
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>Ishtar in a Bottle at 6.
Maybe if my "Sumerian Ishtar" plan works out and it makes her Rinshtar grade its workable? Instead of Babylonian Ishtar. Just use a different facet of the Divinity, they contain contradictory information
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>>4757953
Stay-at-home wife Arc
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>>4757953
So Memerlin wanted to block Orochi from observing and not us? He might avoid becoming a garden gnome yet.
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>>4757926
She would flood her panties if she wore them.
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>>4757958
Not sure about that. I prefer the idea of turbocunt Babylonian Ishtar as Illya's maid.
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Wait and Hope
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>>4757953
>medea winning
as God intended
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>>4757962
you said the name ishtar twice you know
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>>4757963
wait and hope
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>>4757964
God was sending Jeanne for us
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>>4757967
jeanne ain't in the shinjibowl yet
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>>4757967
>>4757968
Jeanne wouldn't be okay with a playboy kissing several women before mariage.
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Is nigg going with the Riding plan then...?
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>>4757961
>Like Caster, she has a tendency to fall in love very easily. She says she fell in love with Kazuhito at first sight and part of her myth is she fell in love with Sakanoue no Tamuramaro at first sight as well.
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>>4757973
I hope she will be our NP if we get summoned as Rider
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>>4757973
I think wageslaving broke him. He said he wouldn't have time for proper autism from now on, and he approve of running too.
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>>4757975
No I imagine Suzuka and Vritra fighting each other for Shinji and not realizing there like 10 other women outside who want his dick too.
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>>4757976
As a Rider, you'd currently get both Lugh with Bellerophon and Alítheia. That is to say, as a Rider you'd be overpowered as all hell.
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>>4757971
She can save him...
>>4757975
Wormpa really wants us to score that much?
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>>4757981
>She can save him...
She'd marry him first before the other girls.
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>>4757455
>>4757854
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>>4757455
Changing
>>4757852
To
>Telepathically tell Suzuka to keep running steady and that you have Riding at A+
>Climb onto her and tell her to run as fast she can
.

Fine, I'll take up the cause myself, Nigg had a good idea. Gotta go fast.

Also, I want to see if we can get Suzuka as a subordinate HS in our Rider form, like Iskander gets Bucephalus who is a whole ass Heroic Spirit itself, or Lu Bu and Red Hare.
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>>4757971
That's why God is gonna send Jeanne, she’ll bash away those filthy harlots who are trying to force dear Shinji into premarital sex
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>>4757455
Switch >>4757881 to>>4757984
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>>4757984
...fucking why go with the weird meme plan? We can run, you said it yourself.
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>>4757982
>>4757985
Her and Alter version are both into dragons too
God is a real chessmaster
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>>4757977
I'm actually not even being paid for the next month and a bit It's professional placement for my master's

>>4757455

>>4757984

Suzuka is used to being ridden by strange men.

I do want this to be Shinji in his least romantic and autistically please understand the necessity of the situation for the spaghetti misunderstanding
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>>4757988
We can run because I think it has the least chance of blowing stuff up or getting us found out. If we can squeeze in more goesfast by this, then its the better choice.

Running by ourself was only the least bad choice, not the best et al.

A+ Riding on A+ Agility, where A+ Agility is a lot higher than our B+Reinforcement+Mana Burst even, with a relative value difference of 30+Reinforcement(10?)+Mana Burst for the first time in our life vs 100+(A+) Riding. If we take the stat ranks at face value as were stated.
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>>4757985
She can certainly try.
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>>4757903
It's not the strength just slightly more awkward. Vrita is large and the piggyback is more natural with the size difference.
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>>4757984
>Also, I want to see if we can get Suzuka as a subordinate HS in our Rider form.
Just cheat the system by riding on all of your allies at some point.
Medusa can turn into a giant snake woman and you haven't ridden on her yet.
You know, halfway through writing this I realized the heavily sexual implications of what I wrote.
Oh well.
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>>4757991
>>4757992
I feel like a lot of the enthusiasm for this plan is due to how funny it'll be if it works.

>>4757995
Not fooling me, you knew exactly what you did.
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>>4757993
How aware Vritra about Kama Sutra? She is from India
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>>4757995
We're gonna get some kind Medb-esque "Riding EX: Riding A+ except in specific circumstances..."
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>>4757995
Medusa suggested it herself so it is fine
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Previously Carnival moment option now becoming mainline story against the secret boss as the mathematically best option
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>>4757997
I'm innocent!
>>4757998
I mean, that's a strange question to ask a dragon.
Speaking of which, she may or may not still be capable of transforming into a colossal dragon that can cut her target off from the rest of the world. Not sure what you want to do with that information.
>>4757999
I was tempted to have Medb get summoned, but you're basically the worst nightmare of any Servant that relies on sexual attraction.
From Medb all the way up to Kiara.
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>>4758003
That be great and I want to meet Kiyohime too
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>>4757991
>>4757997
The best compromise I can make is riding Vritra instead of Suzuka, final offer, otherwise we'll see which plan has more votes at the end.
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>>4758003
What the hell would someone like Kama or Kiara even think of our anti-mindfuck powers? Since resisting them is like resisting an Authority/laws of physics.

Would we accidentally make Kiara think we're also a human?
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>>4758008
We're probably Kiara's hardest hard counter.
Not only do we no-sell her aura of simpitude, we also can reveal the Truth of the world to her and give her no choice but to acknowledge us as another human and potentially stop thinking that she herself is a human.
As for Kama, I guess we just tell her to fuck off and get the fuck out of our Sister.
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>>4758012
Just grab the bitch and concept her with "Singular" or "Oneness".
How much does that defang Mara?
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Completely unrelated but when are we forcing Shuten to wear a sundress?
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Rider Shinji is just good Jason if you think about it too hard
Our ridding recreates effects of Argo and adds people to Rider NP
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>>4758006
I supported yours because I've been drained of enough brain today to be unable to formulate actual responses to persuade people
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>>4758017
As soon as we kill her snakedad.
....
We could probably tease her by referring to her as Auntie Shuten.
Because Zouken is our Ancestor/Grandfather and Shuten is Orochi's daughter.
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>>4757980
5Star buster rider with a massive damage cut and enemy crippling skill + huge heal and some foreginer summoning NP?
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>>4758021
The reasons are already out there basically? its the fastest with no actual downsides except "meme", but its actually the most efficient.
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>>4758017
Nice puffy vulva
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>>4758006
I concede riding the dragon woman who dwarfs us is slightly less ridiculous than riding the jk girl who's shorter than us. Blessing of our daughter applies. WhatIs confirmed Vritra is faster despite her agility >>4757911. Vritra is the correct choice, unless what you really want is maximum memery.

I'm still against the meme riding plan though.
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>>4758027
If you aren't willing to switch even if I change to Vritra, I'll stick to Suzuka, and we'll just see where the votes fall, as it would just split the votes as of right now.
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I wonder which of our concept enhancements to Servants would fuck up the stories they are supposed to be in the hardest.
Liberation Enkidu will totally fuck Strange Fate.
Truth Chiyome dabs on Douman
Supreme Nobu is probably going to dab on Redline.
Vritra exists to cuck Beasts.
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Salvation Redman soon

Real human bean and real hero
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>>4758030
Does Nobu's "tank Zeus' lightning bolts" Skill work on Divine Spirit Zeus or MechaChad Zeus, I wonder? Maybe Mechachad gets cucked even more because it may be older than the Divine Spirit/Planet, and more Mysterious as an alien machine.
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>>4757894
>My problem with mounting JK is it immediately puts her in a weird mindset and she might spaghetti the gigabrain sword autism later. It complicates a currently fresh relationship.

>Vrita is already attached so we can start changing that relationship into something more comical, maybe.

>>4758029
Fine. I will support the meme riding plan. Mana burst might not be enough to outrun the wave, and I'm hoping the nigger is right about the effects to our relationship with them.

You're twisting my arm and insisting on the maximum meme plan instead of amending it for maximum efficiency and trying to convince me. I liked our autism more when it was more collaborative than this.
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Wait.
Won't Vritra start thinking of us as her Rider or something if we do this?
Karna is gonna be so confused
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>>4758035
Dragon Rider or JK Rider
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>>4758033
>Nobu dabbing on Chaos
NIPPON STRONG
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>>4758034

>and trying to convince me
I just remembered you being absolutely adamant on Hopeman instead of switching to Suzuka even when you said you didn't switch because you didn't want Altera to win, even after that was no longer a danger.

>>4757455
Changing
>>4757984
To
>Telepathically tell Vritra to keep running steady and that you have Riding at A+. It's a life or death situation and you're going to surpass it.
>Climb onto her and tell her to run as fast she can
>Tell her in telepathy to also go all out with Mana Burst as long as it wouldn't blow up the tunnel.
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>>4758038
I'm stupid we can't telepathy her.

>>4757455
Changing
>>4758038
To
>Tell Vritra to keep running steady and that you have Riding at A+. It's a life or death situation and you're going to surpass it.
>Climb onto her and tell her to run as fast she can
>Tell her to also go all out with Mana Burst as long as it wouldn't blow up the tunnel.
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>>4758039
Since Vritra has Mana Burst for sanic I am thinking about having her carry Suzuka while we Ride her.

Give me opinions, bros.
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So currently which of our Servants would be best/most fitting for each Lostbelt/Singularity?

I'm imagining Goetia seething hardcore if Vritra cucks Nega-Summon.
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>>4758040
We grab Suzuka and ride Vritra with mana burst
We also create truth shield behind us
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>>4758041
Galahad
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>>4758042
Creating a shield I don't like because it could create enough of a disturbance to detect by Orochi imo, if this is an automated reaction.

Vritra's Burst is Flame aspected, so it should just get lost in it.

Otherwise I don't know the logistics of how we would grab Suzuka while holding onto Vritra...?
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>>4758045
We don't have Galachad.
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>>4758040
Actually, telling her to carry us both turns this plan from complete memery to something completely reasonable for me. If she's fastest, we should take full advantage.

And regarding hopeman, the nigger was adamant on hopeman as well. One case where other considerations outweighed maximum efficiency does not mean people are beyond persuading. Plenty of times in the forest where the plan evolved and was amended into perfection before being accepted by all.
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>>4757455
>Tell Vritra to keep running steady and that you have Riding at A+. It's a life or death situation and you're going to surpass it.
>Climb onto her and tell her to run as fast she can
>Tell her to also go all out with Mana Burst as long as it wouldn't blow up the tunnel.
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>>4758041
Chiyome touches Goetia. He unravels into nothing because Demons=Curses. GG.
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>>4758046
Binding truth chains.
Lets get some JKBDSM going.
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>>4758050
Poor Goetia.
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>>4757455
Changing
>>4758039
To
>Warn Suzuka then grab and carry her and get ready to Ride Vritra.
>Tell Vritra to continue running steadily and don't be surprised.
>Ride Vritra and tell her to go all out with speed, mana burst and everything, as long as she doesn't blow up the tunnel/flame flow.
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>>4758054
>>4758048
This just skips JK and Dragon bickering or being surprised. Just us doing what needs to be done and telling Vritra to sanic.
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>>4757455
Switching >>4757956 to support >>4758054
I thought you meant to have Vritra carry Suzuka in her arms and us on her back, but it's close enough.
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This is definitely ending in our giant dragon GF having sex with us at some point in the immediate future.
Will the fat dragon eat Shinji's precious virginity?
>>4758054
Support.
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>>4758056
I am kind of afraid Suzuka or Vritra having a brain fault at this plan or bickering and every millisecond counts atm.

So we cut out the middle man, we carry one, tell the other to continue running and we mount her mid run, then go sanic.
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>>4757455
Changing to >>4758054
Sweeping Suzuka into bridal carry and ridding on Vritra's back as she goes fast with mana
Perfect
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>>4758058
Yeah, sure. Who gets to do the carrying is a minor detail as long as Vritra's giant legs do the running for all of us.
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>>4758061
>bridal carry
Under arm carry is the only possibility. Or maybe potato sack carry. We need one arm free to ride.
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>>4757455
Changing to >>4758054
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>>4758065
I am sorry autist but Riding A+ means we can Ride using only our legs. Even normie horse archers can. Ride her shoulders or locking our legs around her torso from the back.
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>>4756012
Vore fanart when, vorefagdrawfag?
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Have we tit fucked the dragon yet?
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>>4758065
Train piggyback? We dont need hands to ride with A+ tho
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>>4758070
Maybe we should have a list of in what order Shinji should fuck them.
Sakura and Medea on top of it of course.
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We can assume that interrupting the fire will be detected by the giant brain crystal. Riding Vrita doesn't change much as far as relationships go but as Sakurafren re-iteracted riding Suzuka here may jeopardise our relationship with her.

If Vrita simps to this request it helps establish a hierarchy between us with her at the bottom too.

>>4757455
switching

>>4757991
to

>grab Suzuka and sling her over our shoulder in a fireman carry, as you tell Vrita to continue running at a pace to let us get up on her back.
>Jump and mount Vrita at speed and tell her to run as fast as she can to escape the incoming flame energy, while making use of A+ Riding and the Blessing of Dragons to enhance Vrita's speed as much as possible.
>If the flames get too close to risk, have Vrita activate her Mana Burst to push through and reinforce the your body to tank the flame damage
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>>4758067
Leglocking with Vritra!
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>>4758067
Well, damn.

Potato sack or underarm would still be funnier, don't you agree?
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Would not believe how hard it is to string sentences together right now. I'll probably be around maybe 30mins to change and support similar if it's not called but then I'll be gone till tomorrow so try not to die

>>4758075
based MOM id poster
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>>4757455
Switching >>4758056 to support >>4758074
Nigger delivers, even when he's wageslaving for free
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>>4758074
>reinforce the your body

just end me
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>>4758074
>>4758054
>>4758079
Switch to mine or? I already made it and I think we can afford to Burst at that point not if we're in danger. Blessing of Dragons is auto, Shinji can decide with his brain how to best carry Suzuka.

Warn Suzuka so she doesn't do something in surprise.

Also warn Vritra to not be surprised.
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>>4758080
I'm about to go to bed, it's mid evening for me. My longer absence earlier was real jannie hours
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Bridal prob the best since it will be harder for Suzuka to catch her tail on fire and we and Vritra more resistant to it
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>>4757455
grab Suzuka in bridal carry, as you tell Vrita to continue running at a pace to let us get up on her back.
>Jump and mount Vrita at speed and tell her to run as fast as she can to escape the incoming flame energy, while making use of A+ Riding and the Blessing of Dragons to enhance Vrita's speed as much as possible.
>If the flames get too close to risk, have Vrita activate her Mana Burst to push through and reinforce the your body to tank the flame damage
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Why don't we use Riding A+ to surf on Vritra's FAT tail?
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>>4758082
Vrita already showed she likes spontaneity, Suzuka is already addressing us as Master and has likely tried and failed to simpify Shinji with her mystic eyes which has done two fifths of fuckall, and then been told her True Name and her complete hidden NP set + an advanced method of using them to deal with it.

She knows he "chose" to summon her. She also only ever dated strong chads so it'll be doki doki schoolgirl brain just letting it happen as chad masutah carries her

>>4758085
She's a servant, she'll be fine.with her A rank Magic Resistance
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Only reason I opted to leave hand free other than making it less affection point gathering for Suzuka is so we have a hand free to do, well, anything we might need. I don't know if projecting a sword or something will be necessary but it becomes a possibility with a free hand

Link this post though as I will just default swap to support whatever the winning Vrita ride option is if I'm gone and vote is yet to be called and still evolving.
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>>4758092
Ehhh, I'm not too convinced by that, but its not different enough from mine for me to argue against it.
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>>4758093
>>4758092
You anti-convinced me somehow, I'll keep my version I think.
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>>4758092
Is there a single female Servant that Shinji couldn't somehow seduce?
He said it himself.
He's the greatest of humanity.
Move over Apex and UNRIVALLED.
There's a new chad in town.
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>>4758095
it's all minor details, outright Riding JK potentially caused actual issues.

Applying the Sash to Vrita would also be possible with said free hand but seriously if it took that many layers to avoid dead ending here then idklol

I'm genuinely indifferent to how as long as it's a general grab suzuka, hop on mummy dragon gf and yeet out at sanic speed or thereabouts
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>>4758099
Removing Sash from us may be worse for not Dead Ending because we'll be cooked by the environment or RIP'd by the G forces of Vritra sanicing. We may be good at Reinforcement and Martial arts memes but Servants are absurd if scaled properly. Especially shit like Vritra moving fastest.
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>>4758097
>Is there a single female Servant that Shinji couldn't somehow seduce?
Saber. Shinji doesn't share with her enough autism like Shirou does. Now if Shirou didn't exist Shirou could probably get her.
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>>4758097
Orion
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>>4758095
We're quibbling over minor details at this point, but I'd think free hand>no free hand in a life or death situation, even if it's ultimately not needed

>>4758101
Yeah, removing sash is probably not a good idea.
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>>4758102
Why bother with her when we can get cowtit Arturia instead?
Also we should apply a concept to Mordred.
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>>4758107
Orion is male.
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The Sash is big enough to share if it ever came to it
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>>4758110
Like what, Royalty? Sadly no TES-memes
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>>4758114
What about "Authority"?
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>>4758114
BOOBA
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>>4758112
Oh yeah technically it is Artemis even though Orion is a Servant and she is part of summon
>>4758110
We sorta did so with her new sword
She is Paradox now
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>>4758115
That would just be brainwashing Charisma.
I think Royalty, as "being qualified to be King, and as per monarchism, being superior" or something more esoteric related to her...

Dragon?
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>>4758118
>>4758110
I mean, we skipped Alter Lancer so...
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>>4758115
>>4758118
What about Dragon
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>>4758110
>Also we should apply a concept to Mordred.
Tomboy
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>>4758114
She's already a got a paradox sword so why not 'Time'?
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>>4758128
She already is a Tomboy
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>>4758129
If we're leaning on "Paradox" for King Mordred, there is only one concept we could apply to supplement it.

Reincarnator
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>>4758124
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>>4758132
Roll credit.
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>>4758133
Give her the Divinity
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new thread pls, potato device dying from loading in 2500 posts
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>>4758140
Same here.
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>>4758140
yeah, same.
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>>4758146
boobers
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>>4758129
Think about it, we'll be able to have her age herself up and down!
Loli Mordred OR Booba Mordred!
Maybe both.
Also potentially Za Warudo or at least Time Alter.
>>4758137
Goddess Tomboymyniad
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Now we wait and hope to conceptually ride Vritra
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Should we save the concept of "Beast of Alaya" for Manaka/Beast VI, or try to use it on Orochi?
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>>4758158
I'm looking forward to Vritra riding us instead.
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>>4758169
Why would you do this? Just kill Orochi/wormpa
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>>4758174
I'm still hoping we can turn him into Ibuki.
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Wait a fuck. I just realized something. It is said Arc is like 7 Heroic Spirits worth of combat power, right? But Tamamo's stuff says her Great Keshou/aramitama mode can BTFO 100 Heroic Spirits.

Is 30% Arc much weaker, exponentially or logarithmically not linearly, than 100%?
Are Sun Divinities special again? That WAS a thing, where they're a bit more connectedo the Universe/Cosmos/Skies than just the Planet.

And there was that bit where Arc only has a chance against Amaterasu on the Moon where she gets special Moon Authority stuff that cuts her opponents power by a lot, discussed in Extra

Shuten/Ibuki is also Great Youkai but degraded from Ibuki like aramitama of Tama. Suzuka can go Solar System Multiverse Deva.
.

It just came together for me how powercreep'd Arc and Tsuki got. Even taking into account scaling shit.

The only thing that can save Arc's position if the 7HS talked of were all Grands in Grand mode but even then...
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>>4758177
We can just turn Orochi into parts and have Shuten drink his Authority. Shuten is already degraded Ibuki.
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>>4758179
But at the same time, massively nerfed EXTRA Arc has a chance at beating Amaterasu.
Lol
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>>4758179
>Is 30% Arc much weaker, exponentially or logarithmically not linearly, than 100%?
Yes.
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I mean at that point Tamamo would suffer ego death. So the comparason is moot because she's an entire other being at that point.
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>>4758173
Sakura is not going to like it
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>>4758179
Nasu doesn't understand how percentage work preasu undastandu.
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>>4758189
Vritra will eat her then.
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>>4758186
Yeah but Arc going all out suffers Crimson Moonitis too. Its the core of her being she actively restrains with a lot of her power.
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>>4758189
Who cares, we have like 6 better girls than her now.
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>>4758192
Vritra will """eat""" her.
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>>4758196
Based.
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>>4758197
Anti-Beast Eternity Dragon vs Beast Sister Dragon.
The outcome is clear.
The vorer becomes the voree.
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>>4758195
We should concept Arc too.
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>>4758196
Only 6?
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>>4758207
Maybe more, I lost count
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>>4758205
With what, Earth to cut her off from Moonitis? Divinity so she can ascend from being an Elemental?
Self or Will so she can keep her "self" even against CM while inheriting all his power?
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>>4758205
Competency? Anti-jobbing?
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Which are the Vorechad waifu choices again?
Gorgon, Shuten, Sakura and Vritra?
Why do we keep surrounding ourselves with girls who might unironically eat us?
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>>4758210
Aren't Planet-Class Spirits meant to be superior to Gods?
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>>4758216
Types yes, Earth doesnt have a Type and Arc is not it, shes just the closest. Type is just the strongest and most representative thing, not a mode of being before assuming the mantle and gaining planet support. The difference between incarnated Elementals and Gods is faith. Gods can degrade into Elementals and vice versa.
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>>4758212
Arc, Altrouge and Satsuki can drink us dry.
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>>4758212
>Why do we keep surrounding ourselves with girls who might unironically eat us?
We seem to have a type, don't we?

And I think Satsuki needing to drink our blood to survive might count too.
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>>4758102
>Now if Shirou didn't exist Shirou could probably get her.
Woah. So EMIYA (Archer) would dick down Saber instead? Incredible.
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>>4758220
>>4758222
Dragon Daughter already tried to vore us once.
Technically so did the Dragon in Obeithion's core.
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Speakng of Prelati who I brought up for a potential entity around, and in Snowfield. Her motivation itself is pretty weird.

""Magecraft, which people can recreate, is fine. But Magic defines human limits. We'd be better off without it. I believe that, and I also believe the folly of facing that wall is human nature."
"Whether it's rooted in bottomless virtue... or malice with no upper limit."

When speaking of wanting to drag the 3rd down to magecraft instead of becoming its Magician. Also something about opposing DAs because shes on Human Order's side not its defiler even if she toys with and destroys humans.


This seems to be close to what Touko thought after witnessing Aoko's Magic. She thought that it was no Miracle but plainly "a crime".

True Magics are getting more ominous every lore bit.
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>>4758227
If we talking like that all other heroic spirits can suck us to death too
Medea had to work hard to stop herself from doing it with our first kiss
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>>4758229
Good thing the 6th will bring happiness to everyone.

I also don't particularly trust Prelatti's judgment on the matter.
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New thread soon-ish, anybody got any preferences/suggestions for the OP image background?
Also what won?
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>>4758237
I think this won >>4758054
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>>4758237
Burned Fuyuki for image and I think >>4758054 won
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>>4758237
This won >>4758054

Dunno about the background image. I'd say Sakura, but she doesn't fit the situation now.
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>>4758237
Considering our newest allies?
Dark Sakura crying.
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>>4758231
That's not the weridest thing Prelati's random talks seem to imply from Strange Fake.

The weirdest imo is that it seems to have, maybe?, made canon to Fate and shit the "The Room of the April Witch" short story Type moon wrote for an April 1st, but its not actually a comedy or joke.

Prelati when listing people who've actually scared her/really killed her, people like Touko, Van Fem, Zelretch:

"the fairy-tale witch who lives forever — oh, I guessed it's 'lived' forever now —"

It was some weird and abstract story about a Witch that lives in a house/room that only opens to visitors every April 1st and she grants the Wishes(Lies) of everyone who asks anything.

She also seems to exist...weirdly? She gets "killed, defiled and mutilated" by a Witch Hunter and remains as a heart in the hunter's box but next story bit just skips over it and she's fine again.

Ends with a "a Fool" telling her that the outside world is dead, there is no people to lie to (wish) and that he will die soon as well.

Interpretation I've seen is that it was some kind of thing like how Notes/Land of Steel had the Six Sisters as a "saving system", then this timeline had this wish granting Witch who was used to reset the World by making the Fool's words into a Lie, reviving everything and everyone and undoing the destruction.

Prelati talking about how she "was" eternal thus has some pretty fucked or weird implications for that timeline, which I'm not so surprised about, seeing as Ayaka is there, Zelretch personally isekai'd her there, the worldline is probably the backstory for Requiem with Prelati's Grail Wars, and both high grade Dead Apostle Ancestors and Heroic Spirit Summoning are possible, which should not be.


I had to leave this autism here, just because it makes Strange Fake and Requiem even weirder imo.
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>>4758237
clearly it must be a happy Medusa
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>>4758248
Not sure I understand the wish(lie) thing. She makes their wishes retroactively a lie? She tells lies and they think their wish has been granted? She actually turns lies into Truth? Or is it just a vague nasuism and you can make your own interpretation?

The more I hear about the SF -> Requiem timeline the worse it gets. We better permakill Prelati before she gets the ball rolling on this stupidity.
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>>4758248
>>4758254
That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die
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>Sakura after we get out with Suzuka and Vritra
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>>4758259
>only Suzuka and Vritra
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>>4758257
Killing Prelati permanently wouldn't even be that difficult for you.
Seriously.
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>>4758254
The April thing, the story, starts with this (its a short story)

"I am April. You are Fool.
The witch April has died.

The people all called her a liar, tortured her, and burned her at the stake.
Even though April had not lied.
"Ahh, I do not want to die. I am a witch."
Though she only lied the once, she received a punishment from god.
May your wish be promptly granted."

Her room, has this property, (or rather her).

"One cannot tell a lie in this room.
Because April will make all those lies come true."

Ends with.

"The aged Fool arrived.
"What I'm about to say is a lie."
With that introduction, Fool began to talk.
The world had perished long ago, and Fool was the last human on the planet.
Any calendar was meaningless now, and soon he would have no one to lie to.
I plan to make my grave near here, so if you feel like it, come visit; so saying, Fool left.

The next morning----

April left her room, and was surprised to see the people living peacefully.
The people had all become immortal, and everyone had the power to grant their own wishes.
Visiting a small graveyard, April found Fool's grave.
He was the last person to die on this planet.
Offering a flower that he had said he liked, April went to her knees in front of the grave.
"Ahh, god. I was a witch. But now I am not."

I am April. You are Fool.
The witch April has died.
Ende"

Seems to reference maybe Gun God (or like the Gun God's situation, or Kirschtaria's even) as the last human who makes it possible to leave behind human failures, such as how after Gun God there are only the posthuman godlike A-Rays and Liners, or Kirschtaria would ascend everyone but he would have to be the last human. So thematic continuity exists.

It seems to be some kind of reverse Wishgranting, which then also ties to Grails, except its a fairy tale like manner because Witches (see Alice).

God also plays some role, and I feel like it has Age of Will references where humanity requires Mystery and Magic to reach that point, but then abandons all such things and all things reliant on it die and fade away.

The Immortal, wish granting people leaving behind the Wish granted who granted them the opportunity to go this far very much resembles such a thing.
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>>4758259
>Sakura after she learns everything we did today behind her back if she doesn't hear it from us.

>>4758262
We know. We have plans.
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>>4758262
that's why we want to do it quickly and be done with it.
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>>4758262
I think Prelati may have Phenomena'd herself like TATARI.

Her(his) Heroic Spirit self is from her first death, but she obviously survived that. Except her soul still got deified into the Throne so??
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>>4758265
>>4752220
>Followed by Medea when she hears what we did with Sakura if she doesn't hear it from us.
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>>4758264
To be more specific.

The Fool had not lied at all.

The World has perished ->Land of Steel/Leaving the Planet.

He is the last human->Everyone else is posthuman

Calendars are meaningless -> Age of Will humans can do Operation of Parallel Worlds, Magic Blue etc, time BTFO

There are no lies -> Probably some other Magic.
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>>4758264
>The people had all become immortal, and everyone had the power to grant their own wishes.
Sounds suspiciously similar to Requiem, right before the world blew up. I can easily see those three being connected.
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>>4758267
For the record, you'd almost certainly annihilate TATARI as well, considering how poorly the Night of Wallachia interacts with you personally.
Materialized fears and rumors against Truth. Not exactly a conceptual battle in TATARI's favor.
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Anyone think we should throw everyone into Satsuki's RM before we start discussing harem shenanigans with all the girls?
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>>4758270
Or perhaps the Fool is Prelati? The old World has perished, the last thing she needed to do to bring Grails to the masses was to use the Witch's power somehow.
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>>4758273
That's... actually a good idea. But we have to choose who we will bring in.
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>>4758274
Only other connection is that the April Witch may be atemporal somehow. Given she "lived" "forever" somehow. Also that there maybe a Sorcerer that only people of at least Cause rank know of, not the general public? Dont have a source for that atm so it may be false but I heard something like it
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>>4758273
Lets go balls infront of Nyrla and corpse of Manaka with everygirl and Gilgamesh watching
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Fun fact, as it's the early 2000s, Suzuka's speaking patterns are slightly different.
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>>4758278
Witches in nasu are weird. I seem to remember Alice from Mahoyo also doesn't age at all.
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>>4758304
Dabbing Suzuka will have to wait a decade or so, eh? Not lit senpai :fire: :100: :laughing_cry_emoji: :100
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>>4758319
Nothing stopping you from teaching her.
Or making it the official salute of a country if you take that route.
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>>4758304
>>4758319
Suzuka take larping requests?
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>>4758327
Suzuka with the power of future memes? Is this the power afforded to a higher order being and the Photonic Crystal: ELIXIR?
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>>4758331
We can memory transfer her all memes and internet culture made before july 2020
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>>4758333
>all memes
Oh dear.
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>>4758339
>Suzuka inundated with Nasuverse memes and doujins
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>>4758339
Her banter skills we reach status of NP
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>>4758339
>master-servant connection fails to reveal anything about shinji's previous life except dabbing big chungus.
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>>4758339
SUPREME drip sip with monster energy cans
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>>4758339
hit her with a caster meme
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>>4758339
OLD MEN OHOHOHOHOHO
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>>4758339
Fuck
She is our Servant so she will dream of it anyway
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>>4758357
What do our Servants dream of anyway? Are they just seeing all the things we "know" or have "seen" of them?
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>>4758357
Technically, Servants don't actually need to sleep.
Under most circumstances at least.
It can be useful if your Master is bad at providing you magical energy, but out of all your Servants, the only one who has really done much sleeping is the one who falls asleep of her own accord.
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If you thought that Shirou being able to potentially Trace Slash Emperor was cool, just wait until you see Unlimited Bla Gáe Bolg Gandr Works Excalibur: Infinite Creation of Barbed Magic Bullet Swords of Promised Victory that Pierces with Death
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>>4758369
>This kills the Shirou.

How many Dojos from Tracing?
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>>4758374
At least once every time there's conflict.
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>>4758377
>At least once every time there's conflict
Can't wait for the next Carnival. And I'm sure he did more dumb shit too.
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>>4758409
I still want Godzilla vs Orochi in the next Carnival.
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>>4758377
How many Saber related Dojo visits?
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>>4758452
Wait and Hope
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>>4758461
What's that from?
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>>4758453
Secret.

>>4758455
>>4758455
>>4758455
It's time to move on.
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>>4758462
Fan series by one guy.



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