"It's no big deal, Giselle, really." You looked at your maid with a heartfelt smile. "I'm happy that you're happy, and so long as you can smile like that, it means I've done the right thing." You then reached down and hugged the woman, who freezes up a little as you embrace her. Your hug with the maid lasts for some time before you let her go again, and she looks just a little bit flustered as she rises to her feet once again.

"W-well, then let us make our way to Lady Illyasviel. I am sure she won't mind officially recognizing me as your personal maid at this point." Giselle attempted to maintain an aura of professionalism, but the fact that she was unused to the weight of her tail made her movement quite awkward as she kept nearly tripping up as she tried to keep herself steady. She'd adjust to it soon enough, you knew, but it was still kind of cute to see her coming to terms with the new appendage.

"Alright, lead the way then Giselle." You smiled at your maid and she smiled back at you before she led you the rest of the way to Illya's room. Inside you saw a somewhat odd scene. It was by no means a small room, but there seemed to be a few more people in the place than there should have been. Illyasviel was sitting at a table next to her bed with Kiritsugu to one side and Shirou to the other. Saber was next to Shirou. EMIYA was standing in a corner, Sella and Leysritt were both standing by the door and Taiga was sitting next to Kiritsugu.

Illya noticed your arrival first. "Oh! Shinji! You got my invitation! I wanted to invite you to a private tea and breakfast prepared by Sella and Leysritt as a thank you, but... well, I may have invited a few more people than I was thinking I would, ehehe~" Yes, but you couldn't really blame her for inviting her family to the breakfast, and uh... Taiga, for some reason. You don't exactly know how Taiga got an invite, but whatever.

"Well, thank you for inviting me regardless, Illyasviel." You hadn't exactly gotten to see much of her recently, and sometimes it was just nice to be in a room full of women who you were pretty sure weren't going to start fighting over you. "But... was there any specific reason you invited me to this breakfast?" You were curious, of course, and Illyasviel was one of those people who was nearly impossible to read. She was excellent at disguising her ulterior motives behind that cheerful child-like exterior of hers.

"Specific reason...? Do I need to give a reason to somebody who I am indebted to?" Illya puts a hand on her chin. "I did want Giselle to try to find that Ninja of yours as well, but... I wasn't about to waste Giselle's time by making her look for a-" Her eyes widen massively when she looks at the maid properly. "Eep! G-Giselle? What happened to you? Why do you look so... different?!"

"It is Makiri-sama's doing. He used his abilities upon me, and now I am... different." She looked at her hands. "Better, even." Your maid explained to her previous Master, who nodded.

"I... I see. That power of yours is... really kind of terrifying, Shinji." Illya looked a little worried about something as she looked at Giselle, before she turned away from the maid and back to you. "Putting aside the matter of Giselle for a moment, take a seat and have some tea! I want to talk." Illya smiled again as she gestured for you to sit down and you do so. Sella pours you a cup of tea and you drink it slowly as you look at the subdued mood of the room. Looks like nobody really wants to initiate conversation right now. Saber and Kiritsugu look especially uncomfortable whenever they meet each other's gaze.

>Just have breakfast quietly.
>Say something to somebody (Who and what?)
>Offer to apply a concept to somebody (Who?)
>Write-in...

>>4921062
>Say something to somebody
>>Mentally contact Chiyome, tell her to reveal herself. She's almost certainly in the room
>>Tell Illya about you giving Giselle a concept
>>Ask Illya to officially recognise Giselle as your personal maid
>>Ask Giselle to show some of her new powers to demonstrate how strong she is now but keep it to just alchemy
>>Ask EMIYA to stop being so stuck up and properly join the breakfast
>>Ask Shirou how he feels
>>Ask Taiga/Alaya how is she feeling about this whole situation
>>Ask Kiritsugu how is he feeling being back into his body
>>Ask Illya what she wanted to talk about
>>Tell everyone in the room that you are going to help putting an end to Acht`s schemes and save homunculi after the war
>After the breakfast remind Illya about your previous talks about concepts, ask Saber to tell how is she feeling after being granted concept and offer to apply a concept to anybody who is willing to take one

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>>4921062
Support >>4921068
This covers everything

>>4921062
>>4921068
Support.

>>4921068
>>4921062
+1
Also a vote for us to refer to illya as illya, "illyasviel" sounds too formal.

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>>4921059
Also, welcome back.

>>4921062

+1 >>4921068

Might wanna ask Kiritsugu to briefly tell what happened after he was Avaloned, not just about body. He might reveal some info on what Acht is up to. He surely saw or heard something before being made into a teddytsugu. However, it will surely sore the mood, so ,I guess, it is not an option here.

>she kept nearly tripping up
CUTE snek

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>>4921097
Seconded

>>4921098
That too

>>4921061
>>4921068
Support

>>4921097
Yeah, we are being too formal with Illya.
>>4921099
>However, it will surely sore the mood, so ,I guess, it is not an option here.
I agree. Unless somebody bring it up we are better off not starting talking about Acht`s experiments or anything of that sort during breakfast.

Seeing as we've only just come back, gonna give you guys another hour to get things together.

>>4921062
Just have breakfast

>>4921062
>>4921068
Support.


MAN it feels good to be back. Whilst this quest was on Hiatus I found and ended up reading a fanfic by the name of “Path of The King”. It’s a Medea route fic and I’ll admit it’s written quite well. I’m currently caught up having read all 60 chapters.

And yes Shirou and Medea fuck. Twice actually. No realtua nua shit here, the smut is written as such and isn’t skipped over, not to mention theres no weird dragon or anything like that. Gotta give the author credit for actually writing it as opposed to just setting up the scene and leaving the rest to the imagination…apologies for all this coomer talk by the way. Seriously though its a good fic. Just don’t question why Dojima and Adachi are there…they just…are. For some reason.

>>4921163

>>4921062

>Non-combat autism, check post for details
>>4921068 (+refer to illya as illya, "illyasviel" sounds too formal. with >>4921117)
>>4921087 (+refer to illya as illya, "illyasviel" sounds too formal. with >>4921103)
>>4921092
>>4921097 (+refer to illya as illya, "illyasviel" sounds too formal.)
>>4921099
>>4921110
>>4921249

>Just have breakfast
>>4921165

>>4921062
>>4921097
Support.

>>4921249
Medusa/Gorgon will be added to Shirou's harem soon

>>4921249
I have read path of the king, i liked it.
The author somehow got salty because of the comments on fanfiction net, the faggot.

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Dead quest

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>>4921622
Indeed she will. I fucking hope this Medusa Retrieval Arc ends up being good.

>>4921634
Yeah thats a faggot move but he’s still continuing the story, it’s just on his blog now. So at least he hasn’t abandoned it.

(Pic of Quetz unrelated, though I would LOVE to see the Lucha Libre and Aztec goddess herself in this quest. As of late she’s become one of my favorite servants.)

>>4921908
>I fucking hope this Medusa Retrieval Arc ends up being good.
It's a quick one, it's dealing with Rider who was bathed by grail mud that will take time.

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>>4921908
>Quetz
It is funny how over the course of quest we ended up almost perfect match for her.
Similar attitude towards humanity, snake-dragon connection and sun connections as well, passion for martial arts and her personality is a good match for Shinji as he is now. And plenty of our allies like Karna, Tamamo, Nero, Vritra, Eresh, Alcides, Pollux, Miyako and Giselle are in a good spot right now to interact with her over shared interests.
A lot of potentially strong concepts too.

>>4921062
Huh. No Alcides at the party?
That's sad, I was hoping he and Illya were becoming a thing considering folks don't seem too keen on Illya joining the waifu collection anymore.
I wouldn't want her to be lonely.
Then again she has almost her whole family and then some, so I guess she's happy without a man, but still.

>>4922134
He's on watch.
Also, god fucking damn my ISP cutting me off for like an entire day.
then to top things off I got an awful nights sleep too!

>>4922136
Then, maybe, no update today?

>>4922136
Had a feeling something this update was probably going to end up cursed the moment captcha made type NTR to vote, good luck boss.

>>4922136
Well, damn. Maybe your break wasn't long enough?

'Chiyome, would you mind revealing yourself if you're in the room? Or if not, would you mind coming to Illyasviel's room? She wants to thank you for helping her, I think' You mentally reach out to the ninja, and don't have to wait long for your reply, which comes in the form of Chiyome just materializing in the opposite corner of the room to Archer and bowing respectfully. She... really doesn't mess around when it comes to being your shadow, does she? Illya's eyes widen a little as she notices that Chiyome was in the room the whole time and she didn't notice her presence. Though to be fair, nobody else did either. Chiyome is pretty fantastic when it comes to hiding. Sella and Leysritt are obviously alarmed at the fact that the Assassin so easily snuck past them.

"Good morning, my lord. Lady Illyasviel." Chiyome greets both you and Illya before she takes a position at your side. Illya gets over her shock pretty rapidly and smiles happily at Chiyome, glad that the ninja who saved her life was in the room all along.

Still, you can't focus entirely on Chiyome, there are a few things you want to talk to everyone else about, first off Giselle. "You've already noticed, but... I have given Giselle a concept that has empowered her greatly, in addition to fixing the short lifespan she would have otherwise suffered from." You squeeze Giselle's hand as you say that, and the maid looks happy. "With that in mind, I want you to officially recognize Giselle as my own personal maid, and to sever her contract as a maid for the Einzbern." You make your request, and Illya nods.

"Of course, it's only fair that Giselle becomes your maid. She's clearly wanted it for a long time now anyway." Illya seems genuinely happy to be surrounded by her family, and you kind of feel like patting her on the head, but you feel like that might end up antagonizing Kiritsugu.

"Thank you, Illya." You are glad that she's not going to oppose your request, you think that Giselle at this point much prefers the idea of being your personal maid anyway. "Now, how about a demonstration of your new abilities, Giselle? Use your Alchemical skills on..." You pick up a clean plate before handing it to her. "Use them on this plate, show us what you can do."

Giselle nods as she starts to focus on the china plate, before the plate starts to change color. First to a metallic steel, then to a shining gold, then it disintegrates as it turns into an orb of water floating above Giselle's hand before it turns to gold once again. An orb of gold that she places upon the table with a smile. "W-will this do?" She didn't seem entirely confident in her new abilities yet, but her miraculous usage of alchemy to transmute and control an object with very little effort had made Illya's eyes go wide for the second time in quick succession.

"Yes, great work Giselle." You pick up the orb of gold and inspect it. It's absolutely flawless, no imperfections at all. Giselle's grasp on her new abilities might be restricted right now, but she did with ease what many thousands of alchemists once spent their entire lives trying and failing to do. You then look over to EMIYA in the corner. "You know, you should stop being so stuck up and actually join the breakfast, Archer. You wouldn't want to upset Illya, would you?" Archer frowns before he walks away from his corner to take a seat at the table without saying anything else. With the unruly Archer taking a seat at the table, you turn to his younger self. "So... Shirou, how are you feeling, anyway?"

"Well, I'm feeling a little apprehensive about things. That girl... she's too strong." The boy seemed worried about Manaka's appearance last night. You waited for him to continue. "Saber... she told me just how powerful that Goddess who showed up was, and that girl... she really just defeated her in a single strike without any mercy or hesitation." Shirou was worried, it looked like. "What if... what if she can do the same thing to us? To just instantly kill anybody in her path?"

"Don't worry, I won't let that happen, Shirou. Besides..." You manifest Rhon in your hand. "Rhongomyniad lives on inside this spear. Manaka wasn't capable of killing her... I saved her." You allow Rhongomyniad to disappear once again and you look at Shirou. "But... besides Manaka, how are things?" You don't really want to focus entirely on that girl, after all.

"I guess I'm feeling alright...? It's a shame what happened last night, I was looking forward to seeing how the contest ended, but... I guess now that's going to have to wait until after the war, huh?" Shirou just shrugged, you were a little disappointed as well, you were indeed looking forwards to seeing who was going to win the tournament but you supposed that it didn't really matter at the end of the day, it's not like there was ever any goal or point to the tournament other than to waste some time.

"Yeah, it's kind of a shame, but... well, we couldn't have predicted what was going to happen." You just shook your head before turning to Taiga. "So... Taiga...?" The woman looked you in the eyes. "How are you feeling about this whole situation anyway?"

"A little confused, but... everyone is helping explain things to me, and I think that I'm getting it... slowly." Taiga was clearly the one in control of the body right now, and you were happy that Alaya wasn't taking the reins at all times. "I never knew that stuff like this was happening in Fuyuki!" Looks like she was taking it pretty well, all things considered. As expected of Taiga, such a carefree woman. "I'm glad that Kiritsugu is back too!" She hugged the arm of the man, who looked a little exasperated, but didn't speak up.

"Speaking of... Kiritsugu, how are you feeling about being back in your body?" You want to make sure that everything was in order and he wasn't missing a portion of his soul or something.

"Yeah. Much better." He kept his words short. Clearly embarrassed about the whole situation, so you didn't want to press him on things. Even if it was totally his own fault that he got turned into a plush toy for years. Impatient idiot that he is.

"Finally... Illya, was there something that you wanted to talk to me about in particular?" You turned to the girl who organized this breakfast, and she smiles at you.

"It was mostly just me wanting to thank you and do something nice for you, Shinji. Even if you didn't show up personally to do it, you and Chiyome saved my life, and I'll be forever grateful for you doing that." You didn't really need her praise. You doubt you'd ever have been able to forgive yourself if you allowed Illya to disappear like that. "I've heard what sort of person you are from Shirou. You are the sort of person who never rests when he has a goal in mind, and I don't want to you to be miserable." She smiles at you, and you can't help but smile back at the girl.

"Thank you for caring about me, Illya... I actually wanted to take this as an opportunity to talk about something I want to do after the war." Illya looks interested in what you have to say next, and you smile just a little. "After the war, I'm going to put an end to Acht's schemes and save all of the homunculi under his control once and for all. I don't believe that there are going to be any objections to this?" The room was silent. Good. The room didn't have much to say after that, and everyone just enjoyed their breakfast without many more words being exchanged.

After the breakfast was about finished, you looked at Illya again, and then to Saber and Shirou at her side. "I used my powers to increase Giselle's powers a great deal, and... it might be crucial that I do this for as many people as possible before our final attack against Manaka. We know that she's going to be tremendously powerful, so... that's why I'm going to offer a concept to anybody who is willing to take one... Saber, how are you feeling since I applied that concept to you last night?"

"Stronger than ever, but I still doubt my strength against that girl." Saber spoke truthfully, and though you agreed, the empowering she has received might mean the difference between life and death if she does end up confronting Manaka alone for whatever reason.

"If you're offering to make people stronger, than do it to me, Shinji." Shirou stepped forwards. "I want to be able to stand at Saber's side and fight with her." Looks like Shirou is determined.

>"OK, just hold on then. (Apply what concept to Shirou?)
>"Hold on, I'd prefer to concept somebody else first. (Who and with What?)
>Write-in...

We had a lot of suggestions in past threads about what concept to give to Shirou. I want to say that irregardless of what we pick for him, we need EMIYA to outright tell Shirou about UBW so he has that for certain going into this final fight.

>>4922203
>>"OK, just hold on then. (Sword)

>>4922206
What if this turns Shirou himself into a sword? I don't want to do that to him even if it would make him erect forever

>>4922203
>>"OK, just hold on then. (Apply what concept to Shirou?)
>>Mastery
I`ll go with Niggerman`s idea from >>4904750 with few of my own thoughts on it >>4904778 and to add to this idea some more I would imagine it could also potentially increase his quality as a Master and help him finish developing his UBW properly and make best use of wiki upload we gave him.
If it ended up working with helping him be better Master, Saber would be able to utilize her powers and energy better.

>>4922211
Support
>>4922206
WE NEED MORE SWORDS

>>4922203
>>4922211
Support. And we should remember to tell Alcides to give the sash to Shirou, he can make better use of it.

Hey WhatIs, doesn't Shirou already have Sword as a concept. He has it as an Origin, he has it as an Affinity. How do concepts work again?

>>4922203
>>4922211
Support

>>4922203

+1 >>4922211

How about applying a concept to Kiritsugu or Redman at least while we are at it?

Nigger-Man suggested Kintsugi fo Kiritsugu (non combat one) and Redman can get what Shirou gets, I guess. I don't want him to change personality-wise. He's fun to tease.

>Captcha - TN KYS

I guess not.

Speaking of concepts, maybe we should start thinking on what to to with many people without one? We are, supposedly, going to apply a concept to everyone, or the majority.

Applied
Sakura (Nullification to INS)
Ereshkegal (rejuvenation)
Vritra (Akasha=eternity)
Chiyome (Purification)
Suzuka (Determination)
Rhongobongo (Endless)
Nobunaga (Supremacy)
Artoria (Arthuriana)
Giselle (Ouroboros)
Tiamat (Progress)
Nero (Salvation)
Mordred (Time)
Obeithon (Hope)
Beaky (Knight/Paladin)
Medea (Agape)
Potential Concepts
Shuten (Potential transformation or Onikuya)
Monica (Potential Electromagnetism)
Aoko (Potential exergy or cycles)
Ilya (Potential Materialization)
Kiritsugu (Potential Kintsugi)
Sella (Potential Mahābhūta)
Leysritt (Potential Neidan)
BB (Potential Metaverse)

Everyone else

Casters

Merlin
Morgan
Medea-Lilly
Paracelcus
Tamamo

Daughters

Betty
Abby
Alithea
Ourobora
Tetsuka


FSN
Rin (Prime)
EMIYA
Shirou
Medusa

Heavy-hitters

Alcides
Karna
Gilgamesh
Scathach

Tsukihime

Satsuki
Lugh
Ciel
Arcueid
Shiki (applied to the mystic eyes)
SHIKI

Other

Billie the Kid
Sasaki
Sun Wukong

Argonauts

Jason
Atalanta
Caeneus
Castor
Pollux

Ell-Melloi gang

Waver
Renes
Gray
Flat
Svin
Kairi
Luvia

fucking niggers

>>4922211
>>4922203
+1

>>4922290
>Nigger-Man suggested Kintsugi fo Kiritsugu (non combat one)
Yes, this one is really good for him.
>Redman can get what Shirou gets
If he receives same concept it would be pretty nice but if not I suggest Resolve for EMIYA.
It would work well with his personality and should not alter it at all.
His Independent Action, Magic Resistance skills would benefit from it a lot and he should get some mental protection from it as well.
His Clairvoyance, Mind's Eye (True) skills would also see an upgrade from it as Resolve can be applied to their mechanics too.
I can see him getting Determination of Steel from it too.
>>4922304
Some things I remember from previous threads which were discussed to some degree.
>Sakura (Nullification to INS)
It was Nullification and Indomitability.
>Vritra (Akasha=eternity)
It was Asha.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asha
>Suzuka (Determination)
Self-Determination. Not sure if it is matters or not.
We also used Purity for our Pure Eye, Poison for bottle of Alcohol and I think Perfection for Shiki`s eyes.
>Shuten (Potential transformation or Onikuya)
I am leaning towards Dharmapala for her now. It has same idea as Transformation and Onikuya but also taps into myths of benevolent onis like Yama.
Since Dharmapala is used as description of her Magical Girl skills and Noble Phantasm it is definitely stronger one.
>Rin (Prime)
Flow probably the best one.
>Medusa
Arete.
>Alcides
Telos.
>Gilgamesh
Primacy/Prime or Kettu.
>Ciel
Theosis.
>Sasaki
Mushin.
>Tamamo
Eclipse for Tamamo.
Temperance/Generosity for Ammy.

>>4922338
Sympathy for Merlin too.

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And Satsuki could benefit a lot from something like Exalted/Exalt/Exaltation.
She has a lot of Truth connection in her due to drinking our blood, it works really well with her Limitless Potential and we are aware about Ultimate Satsuki.
>>4922348
It was about making him being able to feel emotions for humans properly, correct?
We also aware now that Morgan is really strong herself so it could be worthwhile to give her something really good too.

And we also promised to find some solution for Dioscuri and Caenis.

>>4922290
We offered to concept everyone in the room who wants it, and that includes Redman and Kerry. Kintsugi is great for Kerry. I'm not sure what we should give Redman, but it can't be Mastery. Concepts are one-use only.

>>4922304
Solid list anon. Beaky got Paladin but not Knight, this concept is available to use on someone else if we want. We also used Incarnation on Medusa's sisters and Anthropomorphism on the Argo

>>4922338
I can't find it at the moment, but I'm not sure Kettu was the concept discussed. Otherwise yeah, these.

>>4922348
>>4922362
Should we really concept Merlin and Morgan? Since they both have Independent Manifestation it might lead to creating a Lostbelt, just like with Tiamat, and I'm not sure the Lostbelts lead by their past selves would be as nice places as the one lead by Tiamat.

We promised Castor we would give his Divinity back, and that's what we should do. We haven't really talked about Pollux or Caenis though.

>>4922338
Support
>>4922203

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>>4922369
I mean, making Merlin understand people would make him less of an ass. It might improve things somewhere.

>>4922420
I prefer concepts that aren't geared to be as OP as possible, but concepts that are geared to help the person solve their problems that would be unsolvable on their own, such as Sympathy for Merlin

>>4922338

Thank Allah for gachagods, studying myths related to servants and research in general.

>We also used Purity for our Pure Eye, Poison for bottle of Alcohol and I think Perfection for Shiki`s eyes.

Thanks, these go to the list
Also that is why we used Immaculate on Touko, Shiki already consumed one.

>Self-Determination. Not sure if it is matters or not.
Probably, related concepts should still count as separate and can be applied to other beings as far as I understand.

>>4922369

>Concepts are one-use only.

Yeah, that slipped my mind because I am used to considering them the same being.

Then again about the rules of concept application. It might have been discussed earlier, but I skimmed a good chunk of discussions.
On our current level we can apply specific and general concepts.
However, is there any restriction on the word count? Or the word count does not matter as long as they denote/relate to a concept or just add meaning and do not directly infringe on the territory of already applied concept? For example, self-determination and determination or endless expansion and endless.

It is one use per being. However, similar concepts can still be applied to several beings. Otherwise there are pretty much no restriction as to what apply to who? Except the cost of application and potential personality shift.

>Incarnation on Medusa's sisters and Anthropomorphism on the Argo

Not that important, but they need to be added as they consumed a concept.

>Should we really concept Merlin and Morgan?

Manifestation is one thing. I am more concerned about the prospect of at least Morgan relapsing on bad habits and that conquering the world thing in the future if she'll get new abilities. We may very well create a villain for post-war arcs. Unless we give a concept with personality altering in mind. If there will be any arcs, that is.

>Caenis
We promised to do something with that Poseidon blessing, don't remember if there was a concept though.

>>4922001
Yeah I know that. I’m kind of combining Medusa Retrieval and Medusa Alter/True Incarnation Medusa into one arc mostly because I know that Medusa Retrieval itself will be short.

>>4922130
Yeah, honestly I’m a little surprised she hasn’t been summoned already at this point. Wonder what we could concept her with anyways.

>>4922211
Support

>>4922203
>>4922211
support

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Called?

>>4922420
>>4922447
Yeah, Merlin would benefit from this. We should just be aware and discuss possible unintended consequences.

>>4922459
Well, concept application did not exactly come with a manual. One-use only is the only firm rule we know for sure, including the fact that we can't cheat by using direct translations. Otherwise we're in uncharted territory, with potentially terrible and irreversible consequences if we fuck up.

>word count
We don't really know. Self-determination proves we're not restricted to one word, but my gut feeling would be that "Endless Expansion" would not be valid.

Otherwise yeah, no restrictions we're aware of.

>Morgan
I was very worried about her faking it, but the new information about LB6 put those worries at rest. She genuinely turned a new leaf and tried her best to make her world a better place for thousands of years. Shinji doesn't have access to this information, but I'm no longer worried about her.

>If there will be any arcs, that is.
There will be several post war arcs, unless WhatIs decides to abandon the quest early for some weird reason.

>Caenis
We haven't really discussed a specific concept, no.

I'm having a bit of difficulty focusing today, had a hell of a headache.
It's like I'm cursed or something.

>>4922568
Better go rest then for as long as you need. We won't run anywhere.

>>4922568
Take another break then and get well soon!

Regarding giving Morgan concept, our main goal should be more to help her continuing on path of redemption. Her main obstacle is her fairy nature and we have living example in Obeithion that general nice concepts tend to work rather well to channel fairy moments into positive influence rather than making fairies falling down the scheming ladder during them.
For Caenis iirc we told her that we or Illya will get rid of Poseidon`s influence and give her equal power in exchange.
>>4922512
She likely was in elemental chambers gacha in Grandpa`s snake cave.
I would probably go with something to empower her more benevolent aspects as a nice gift since she has no need for special concept to fix something for her or help with some personal issue.
>>4922568
Don`t push yourself if you have those problems and just take time to rest.

>>4922568
go rest

>>4922568
Take as long as you need, just look out for yourself.

>>4922568
The curse strikes when you least expect it.

>>4922568
>"It's like I'm cursed or something."
>he doesn't know

>>4922568
go to sleep and do it tomorrow

New boy(girl) just dropped and Kouma confirmed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loZ0EwjXmEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4BCq07XVo

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>>4923641
>Satsuki nowhere to be seen.
>Instead here's Jannu
I hate you so much, Nasu.
So god damn much.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>4923659
i'm on copium and telling myself its just because this is Ciel's trailer and Satsuki only becomes relevant in Far Side

>>4923671
Easy on the copium.
Remember that if Satsuki is going to be a relevant character, it kind of has to be a near-side plot and not a far-side plot.
Arcueid sort of has to be in the story in some way for Satsuki to be the main character.
It can't be far-side and related to the mystery of the Tohno family like the other far-side plots because outside of being turned by SHIKI/Roa. she has nothing to do with the Tohno.
She's directly related to the vampire aspect of Tsukihime's plot, so would have to be Near-side.

Basically, we've been betrayed once again.

>>4923641
>Satsuki route never, ever
NAAAAAAASSSUUUUUUUUU

>>4923659
>>4923680
WhatIs. Tell me something. Do you remember when they said that TsukiRe was going to be split into two games. Near Side routes and Far Side routes. Why else do you believe we aren’t seeing sacchin.

>>4923707
I get that you lads are angry. But unless Nasu EXPLICITLY SAYS “yeah no this isn’t happening lmao” or “yeah I changed my mind TsukiRe is Near Side only lmao”, presume it is happening but has yet to be properly revealed.

Tldr; just calm down and be realistic here.
It’s happening, just not right now.

>>4923747
Where does this hope come from, I wonder?
Two decades for an unfinished game?
You realize it's been a decade and we're still waiting for Mahoyo chapter 2 and 3 to come out right?
I also remember that interview also had Nasu actively shitting on FGO and calling all Mobage forgettable games to turn your brain off to, and then saying that you need to play TsukiRe on a console for that CINEMATIC experience and it wouldn't feel right on PC.
Despite the VN releasing on the Switch.
Nasu is full of shit.
Also, in what world would Sacchin be a Far-Side route? The Far-Side is all about the Tohno family and their secret past and it is very much seperate from Arcuied and Ciel and their business. Why do you believe that Sacchin could fit in the Far-side if we are ever getting it?
She has nothing to do with the Far-Side and no connection to the Tohno family outside of having a crush on Shiki.
If she was in the Far-side as a major character, she'd just be out of place.
The ONLY way it could work is if it were some sort of FULL MOON final story which combines aspects from both the Far and Near side, but I don't imagine Nasu will do that.

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>>4923750
Nasu saying that a fucking VN wont work on a PC is so retarded holy fuck.

"Alright, then hold on just a moment, Shirou." You started to think of just what sort of concept would be good to apply to one of your best and oldest friends in this world. You really didn't want to give Shirou a weaker concept, yet you had to ponder for a while just what would be the best to apply to Shirou... there were many potential concepts that could be applied to him, but which would serve him the best...? Would you be able to apply a concept to both him and Unlimited Blade Works separately, like you did for Sakura and her internal world? Honestly, you'd need him to manifest Unlimited Blade Works first to see if it was possible, and now... well, it just didn't feel like it would be a good time to ask him to do such a thing, not to mention you didn't even know if he was capable of doing it at all at this point.

You approached Shirou and placed a hand on his shoulder. "Do you have any specific requests as to what you want applied to yourself?" You wanted to make sure he didn't have anything specific in mind, but he shook his head.

"Not really... it's your ability, so you're the one who knows how it works the best, right?" Well... your power didn't really seem to have any consistent rule to it, so you couldn't really tell what was going to work best yourself half of the time, though Shirou wasn't wrong. You didn't think that anybody knew how your powers worked better than you did. Or at least you hoped that was the case anyway.

"Yeah, pretty much." You smiled at your friend before you hardened your gaze. You knew that whatever Shirou's internal conceptual world was, it was certainly not going to be a cakewalk like some internal worlds were. Not when the most integral moment of Shirou's life is stained in trauma and self-loathing.

The ten second pre-requisite had finally ended, and you allowed your consciousness to drift into the deepest part of Shirou's being. Immediately, the first thing to hit you was the intense heat of roaring flame, and you had to shield your face mere moments after appearing within the world to protect yourself from the flames, it seemed like your empowered body wasn't any protection against the conceptual flames of this world.

Focusing on getting yourself out of the flames for a moment, you soon found yourself on a street, pooled around your ankles was a caustic black goo that tried to corrupt and tear you apart, but it was merely a reconstruction of Angra Mainyu's Grail Mud. It wasn't the true thing, thankfully. Still, it did sting a fair bit, so you traversed the streets by leaping from wrecked car to wrecked car, avoiding touching the corrosive mud flowing across the ground as well as the bursts of flame igniting everything around you.

You kept exploring Shirou's hellish internal world for a while until you found something out of the ordinary in the rubble of a collapsed house. A sword shoved into the ground. You examined the sword in great detail, finding the design to be nearly identical to Excalibur. Your heart skipped a beat for a moment when next to the sword, in addition to a sheathe that looked nearly identical to Avalon, was a twitching human hand poking out of the rubble! You had to stop yourself from immediately trying to help the person out of the rubble by reminding yourself that this was a conceptual world, and that despite appearances, nothing here was actually real... you think. After Tiamat, you aren't so sure anymore. Then again, there's no way that Avalon and Excalibur could've been here, so your mind was put at ease. Still, you had to determine which of these three things was Shirou's conceptual core.

>Avalon.
>Excalibur.
>The hand.
>Write-in?

>>4923975
>Avalon.
Saber called Shirou her sheath, Avalon is the thing that changed his origin into Sword, its Avalon man

>>4923975
>The hand.
My guess is that hand represents his life motivation, survival`s guilt and all other emotional baggage Shirou is carrying with him.
Avalon is likely second best option as it is represents change in his Origin and Element.
Excalibur should be his new strong connection with Saber. Very important to him but not a conceptual core.

>>4923975
The hand

The hand is the shirou that had the will to survive the mud, its him in his raw state
Avalon was what forged him as the sword he is today
And excalibur is what he may become and represents his connection to artoria.
Probably.

>>4923975
>The hand

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>>4923975
>the hand

It's very likely that this is his deepest form within his very being. Being the survivor of that tragedy made him who he is, it turned him to Kiritsugu, which in turned gave his desire to be a hero.

If this works, we might permanently stop Shirou from ever heading towards the fate of becoming EMIYA ever again via applying this concept.

>>4923975
>The hand.

>>4923975
>>The hand.
When we apply the thing, grab the hand and pull upwards, like we're pulling him out of the mud.

>>4923975
>The hand.
>Pull him out of the rubble and mud before applying the concept.
Maybe this way we can help him overcome his survivor guilt syndrome.

>>4923975
>The hand
The moment that defined his life was when Kiritsugu saved him. It has to be the hand.

>>4923975
>the hand

>>4923750
>I also remember that interview also had Nasu actively shitting on FGO and calling all Mobage forgettable games to turn your brain off to,
Its weird cause he put an absurd amount of effort, worldbuilding and wordcount into Avalon le Faye

>and then saying that you need to play TsukiRe on a console for that CINEMATIC experience and it wouldn't feel right on PC.
Takeuchi should've bullied Nasu more into accepting PC, Nasu convinced him to release it on consoles only

>The ONLY way it could work is if it were some sort of FULL MOON final story which combines aspects from both the Far and Near side, but I don't imagine Nasu will do that.
I think its fair to remind everyone that Tsukihime didn't release with all routes when it first came out, Near Side and Far Side were separate

>>4924260
>Its weird cause he put an absurd amount of effort, worldbuilding and wordcount into Avalon le Faye
I wouldn't exactly call it an absurd amount of effort.
He has had literal years to write this.
>I think its fair to remind everyone that Tsukihime didn't release with all routes when it first came out, Near Side and Far Side were separate
Yeah, it's a fair reminder, but Satsuki doesn't belong on the Far-side.
That's my point.
The only way she gets her route is if we get a route that combines both Sides into one mega finale.
Which honestly?
Is probably what would have to happen considering that the unseen Satsuki Route is the prelude to Melty.
But hey, that's very wishful thinking.

>>4924272
The new teacher Noel seems to have taken Satsuki's role of the normal person who gets killed. So at least Satsuki won't have to suffer.

>>4924294
She doesn't die or get changed in the manga either.

>>4924306
Huh never read the manga that's neat.

>>4924314
I can only praise the manga. It's an absolutely excellent adaptation.

>>4924294
She's gonna be Ciel's psychopathic boss, just watch

>>4924357
Narbareck?
Seems like it would be strange to have her show up in addition to Ciel.
You'd think the #1 of the Burial Agency would have better things to be doing.

>>4924366
yeah why would the #1 of the Burial Agency bother going to this shitty small town with 3 DAA and the True Ancestor Arcueid Brunestud

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>>4924492
There's like 1 Dead Apostle Ancestor (unranked) in the town, and it's the one that Arcueid cleans up by herself before going back to bed.
Roa is basically a non-problem to the Church because Arcueid kills him immediately after he reveals himself.
Ciel just has a massive grudge and wants to try to get rid of him for good.
Nobody could've predicted Nrvnqsr was gonna go after Arc, and I don't know what the game of the new asshole is.
Also we've got a picture of Narbareck and she looks nothing like Noel.

Update?

>>4923975
>>The hand.

>>4924504
Wouldn't they go and double check the info considering they have no boots on the ground?

>>4924509
I'm writing it.
I'm still recovering from my lack of energy lately.

>>4924518
There are priests in Misaki Town so they in fact do have boots on the ground.
Having Narbareck go is like having the secretary of defense go on a scouting mission.

I'm not entirely discounting it though. The modern Nasuverse can be that stupid, after all.

>>4924519
Cool, take care of yourself though. OK?

honestly the spookiest fucking thing about the new Tsukihime is that Mario and Noel have normal names

>>4924504
she could get a redesign, its not like it hasn't happened before, Touko went through two design changes

>>4924522
its gonna be more shoneny just watch

>>4924560
>Touko went through two design changes
Touko's design changes are a result of her puppet bodies though?
She can choose to appear however the hell she wants.

>its gonna be more shoneny just watch
Just kill me now, thanks.

>honestly the spookiest fucking thing about the new Tsukihime is that Mario and Noel have normal names
Is it though?
A character just called "Noel"?
Mario might have a normal first name, but MARIO GALLO BESTINO is certainly not normal.
Need I remind you that Roa's actual name is fucking Micheal and everyone just uses his far cooler middle name?

>>4924563
her puppet bodies look more or less the same barring her hair style or if she wear glasses or not, her two previous designs don't look like her

>Need I remind you that Roa's actual name is fucking Micheal and everyone just uses his far cooler middle name?
I forgot his first name was Michael honestly

>>4924570
>her puppet bodies look more or less the same barring her hair style or if she wear glasses or not, her two previous designs don't look like her
Touko is still a special case when it comes to designs though, considering that she can theoretically just have her puppets look like whatever she wants to a degree.
I strongly doubt that it's going to be Narbareck, considering that her normal role is to keep the Burial Agency in check. It might be another agent or somebody else though.

You reach down and grab the twitching hand. While it could be the sword or the sheathe, as those are both objects that have tremendous significance to Shirou. The most crucial thing and important thing in Shirou's life was undoubtedly this moment in time. There can be nothing that would be more suited as Shirou's conceptual core than himself at that very moment. You took the small hand poking out of the rubble and began to infuse it with a concept as you did. The concept of 'Mastery'.

You infused the concept into the arm as you pulled the boy it belonged to out of the rubble, it seemed as if the conceptual application had started to have an effect on the world around it. The fires had been extinguished, and the rubble was disappearing. You continued to pull the boy upwards, and the mud coating the streets boiled away into nothing. Finally, you finished pulling the child version of Shirou free of the rubble, and at the moment you did, the world around you shifted and changed one last time. The wrecked part of the city you were standing in had completely recovered from all damage now. Leaving you standing just outside a house, dangling the unhurt sleeping body of the child Shirou from one of his arms.

You didn't get much of a chance to look around any further than that, because moments after you had finished the application of the concept, you felt yourself being pulled out of Shirou's conceptual world, you took one last look at the restored part of Fuyuki City before allowing yourself to leave entirely.

Status Updated!

You took a deep breath as you found yourself staring at Shirou once more, before you took your arm off of him. "Well as far as I can tell, it was a complete success, Shirou." You smiled at the boy, who looked alarmed at the new powers he had been granted. Yes, they were mighty powers indeed, but you got the feeling that he'd need to be this powerful if he wanted to help against Manaka and fight at Saber's side.

"That... was surprisingly easy, actually." Shirou sounded amazed at how much your powers had helped him to get more powerful, and how easily it had occurred. Of course, you didn't really like to brag, but there was no denying that your abilities really were incredible. With all that you've done with your powers so far, you had started to wonder just where the limit with them actually lied. Where was your peak? Did a peak even exist for you? Because you still felt like you hadn't even started to approach that peak.

It hadn't taken an incredible deal of energy to apply the concept to Shirou, but it turns out that even with your dragon core, more powerful concepts like Mastery were still relatively expensive to apply, though you felt like you could easily grant more than a few more before having to stop for fears of your energy running low. You looked around the room to see just who was around...

>Ask who wants to be next. (What concept?)
>Choose the next person to apply a concept to. (Who and what?)
>Ask Shirou to try out his new abilities.
>Write-in...

>>4924696
Write in, sleep with our harem.

>>4924694
Yo QM, can you please give a reminder how concepts work? If Shirou's Origin is Sword and his Elemental Affinity is Sword, then how come he doesn't count as Sword being his "concept"? Can you clarify?

>Thanks to being shown a perfect blueprint of a great deal of weapons that he would otherwise never have had the opportunity to see and having been imbued with the concept of Mastery, this skill has reached the absolute peak of projection magecraft, allowing for the perfect unranked down recreation of practically any weapon he can physically create.
>>>>>>>>>>>perfect unranked down recreation of practically any weapon he can physically create
>Blessings of Avalon (Copy): EX
>A skill representing that Shirou has a copy of Avalon within his body. It is a skill as he is unable to actually wield the power of the Noble Phantasm himself. So long as Shirou has Avalon within him and it is activated, he will be able to survive any wound that isn't immediately fatal, in addition, his body will not age so long as it remains active.
>>>>>>>>>>>a copy of Avalon within his body
Guys while we're here right now, why not get Shirou to remove the Avalon copy inside him, make perfect Avalon, and shove THAT inside him forever?

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Ilya is probably the next most important person in the room, because if Manaka gets to her she has the lesser grail + Alcidies + Jason and through Jason, can hold the entire Argo crew and Argo-chan herself hostage.

Materialisation was the current frontrunner for her iirc. But there might be something better. I have some ideas but I'll articulate them when I've got some free time.

At this stage I'm actually thinking Anima, in relation to the soul. Seeing as Ilya is now a gbj for divine spirits and the third magic centred around achieving materialisation of the soul. It's a powerful concept, but it fits her thematically too.

Also funnily enough, as POWER focused Time was for Mordred, with new LB6 revelations about Morgan's capabilities it's actually really kino retroactively.

As is Longinus being wielded by Ceil, seeing as it costs the user's lifespan to use and not mana, it's kind of a cheat meme weapon for her.

>>4924725
TWO?!

I'm sure Shirou can do something in the background while we headpat Ilya. If it's not possible then I guess he just dojos trying? Functionally though, is his current fake any different to the original?

>>4924746
I know anima has to do with souls, but what exactly it means, i forgot.
Also, about souls, what are we going to give to eresh? I feel like having her make the afterlife already may be a good idea.

>>4924725
That sounds meta as all hell, but If it works he will be juiced up.

>>4924721
Concepts are something different from Origins and Affinities.

>>4924746
Illya is definitely the next most important person in the room, and not just for power purposes. She is an important character, an important person in Shinji's life and the person we most want to empower and protect out of them.

So, Anima instead of simply Materialization? It seems like a strictly better concept for her, and even more fitting. Materialization applies to other things that materialization of the soul and it would only tie to the Third Magic. But Anima also ties to her unique nature as the daughter of a homunculus and a human and the unique, powerful soul she has because of that as well as the changes she underwent due to being briefly possessed by Ishtar.

And we should also ask Shirou to try out his new abilities before we concept Illya. It won't cost anything.

>>4924903
We have already concepted Eresh with Rejuvenation. Kur is something we should try to do before attacking the temple, yeah, but it's not so easily done.

>>4924916
Add asking Shirou to try out his new abilities and I'll support.

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>>4924696

>Choose the next person to apply a concept to. (Ilya and Anima)
>Before applying the concept, activate your Blessed Dragon Core and recite the full Aria.
>Ask Shirou to test his newfound capabilities however he thinks could best assist with preparing for the coming conflict

It might be big, but seeing as we're currently handing out concepts we should really be making best use of our abilities to ensure that they all work, and come out as best as they can.


Anima shilling:

Really obvious Third Magic links with materialisation of the soul, anima is the latin term for soul. However it also has links to a lot of other stuff that the simple translation of soul doesn't.

>an individual's true inner self that in the analytic psychology of C. G. Jung reflects archetypal ideals of conduct
>also - an inner feminine part of the male personality

Feminine aspect of the soul, as well as the true self.

The term was also used in old pharmaceutical and alchemical practices, for the homunculus foundational links.

>all living things from the smallest bacterium to the largest of mammals are the souls themselves (Atman, jiva) and have their physical representative (the body) in the world. The actual self is the soul, while the body is only a mechanism to experience the karma of that life. Thus if one sees a tiger then there is a self-conscious identity residing in it (the soul), and a physical representative (the whole body of the tiger, which is observable) in the world. Some teach that even non-biological entities (such as rivers and mountains) possess souls. This belief is called animism.[5]

Anima gives links to all things through the soul directly. Which means through Ilya using the Third and materializing souls, she could theoretically materialise ANYTHING, making Anima a hard upgrade to Materialisation AND being something that directly connects to her magic, her origins as a homunculus AND, specifically, enables her to function as her True inner self, which is kinda kino and ensures she doesn't get disfigured as a character.

>>4924696
Support >>4924922

>>4924696
+1>>4924922
Redman and Kiritsugu should be next. The concepts were already listed in the thread, for the maids too.

>>4924696
>>4924922
+1 but do it by headpatting illya

>>4924696
Supporting >>4924922
With powers Illya got out of Ishtar we have a lot of interesting possibilities with concept of Anima.
Her Divine Core of the Goddess (Grail) and Wishcraft as well as listed above things have solid connection to animism in general and all other everything-have-a-soul beliefs. With Third, Lesser Grail status, Divine and Homunculus connection to the world being known value, we can draw a solid guess from Anima to Anima Mundi. It plays into Gaia theory and Panpsychism from our World which directly translates to connection to both Gaia and Alaya, potential power over Human Order. Potentially drawing power from it and further helping to mend relationship between Gaia and Alaya.
If she ends up getting something akin to Hegel`s Weltgeist, I would not rule out Illya being able to just access the throne to get powers from Heroic Spirits. Not unlike how Class Cards works in Prisma or how Argo can do now with her crew.

>>4924696
>>4924922
Support

>>4924922
+1
Really refreshes my mind on the criticism that anon had in last thread, where you have to asspull obscure write-ins to progress in the quest because all the regular post options are trap options that will kill you or have other unwanted results. Which does bring up the question: Why does WhatIs even bother giving us regular post options if he's encouraging exactly what he doesn't want, unless his real purpose is for the players to fuck up and die or make things worse for themselves? What do you think as the prime mover write-in autist of these threads, Niggerman?

>>4925263
This criticism makes no sense you dumb niggermonkey.

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>>4925263
This update specifically was pretty open ended. I just like giving evidence for stuff so anons can see how I came to conclusions. The actual vote is literally three lines. Personally if the mindset a player has is "thing long, me feel excluded, thinking hard" in a text-only format then their opinion really doesn't matter imo.

Honestly, quests enable you to run a VN style story where the MC isn't limited by author prompts, and the audience being able to actually think and direct the story in interesting ways is good. But the extent write-ins happen here is only valid in a metaknowledge quest. If I ever actually have time to host my own quest idea I'll be pretty restrictive on certain write ins because the MC is an already defined character. Shinji however started as a random TM autist isekaied into said universe. It's completely in character for him to be overanalysing things and drawing from his TM wiki knowledge + polymath gigabrain to come up with solutions intelligently. Write-ins have to pass a "is this in character?" filter, which I think WhatIs manages fine here I guess?

We could have easily picked a default option here, and it wasn't exactly worth QM's time to do a pre-existing prompt for the literal room full of characters here and their possible concepts.

Honestly, majority of the writeins are really just the default prompts with a few extra steps, or a few mixed together with a "and add x and or y for safety" option. For a recent example of where default prompts are just fine, Touko's puppet concepts had Kensei, which was actually better than the write-in proposal option and was a default prompt.

For QM motivation, I feel being able to post an update that specifically baits discussion like the cliffhangers left intentionally to generate thread discussion and plan a response is good for both players to feel like they can get involved in a story, as well as enabling the QM to return and find almost an update of content reflected back on them and know their story is engaging to the readers, and also, to generate ideas and entertainment for themselves that maintains motivation. Kind of like a back and forth of, QM writes update, audience plans through ideas and comes to a conclusion, QM gets to read through a pseudo quest in itself as a reward for getting players invested enough to talk things over.

Metaquest + polymath gigabrain MC is kind of the only setting this would work as it does here, but I recall older fate quests that would actively include the anon voices in MC's head as a council of ideas in story as a familiar. So I've seen it help a few quests along. I think that's the one issue with reading through a quest you're far behind on and skipping all the anon commentary, it's part of the quest experience. Otherwise the QM may as well have written a VN or fanfic. Audience discussion is part of the reason you write things as a quest.

>>4924696
>>4924922
Support

>>4924922
>>4924696
support.

"Alright, Illya. Do you have any problems with being next? Or would you rather I applied a concept to somebody else first? I don't want to rush you at all, because we do have all day long before we'll have to go and attack Manaka, but..."

"No, I don't have any problems with being the next person after my Onii-chan. I trust you... how could I not? You were the one who saved me after that goddess tried to steal my body, and... well, most of the time, you've shown yourself to be highly capable." Most of the time? "I... I mean... well... ehehe... I heard about what happened the other night..." Illya started looking around awkwardly, as if she was looking for a way to escape the situation she had just trapped herself in.

"Don't worry, Illya. I know what you meant to say. There's no need to worry about me though. I may have lost it a little back then thanks to the constant unrelenting stress, but I can assure you that I won't be suffering any breakdowns like the one I had the other day in the future. I can't afford to do that." You promised the girl that you'd remain reliable from now on, and that you wouldn't just freak out and do something ridiculous... even if it did end up having a relatively positive effect on Nero herself, you can't exactly justify flipping out mentally on the fact that Nero enjoyed your little performance with her. There's a time and a place for everything, after all, and your song and dance with Nero was something that could've at least waited until you were in private.

"I believe you. I just want to tell you that you shouldn't push yourself too hard. You have Servants like Assassin there who would happily take some of the burden you carry." Illya clearly cared about your well-being, but you just smile at her. Is everybody going to give you this speech? You knew that they cared for you, but you didn't need to be constantly reminded about what happened with Nero.

"Alright, alright. I know, but... I can't justify taking it easy at all today. Not after what happened last night." You dropped your smile and instead put on a stern face. "If we had been more prepared yesterday, we might've been able to put an end to this entire conflict then, rather than be placed on this time limit like you have. Ah well... it's not like it was completely hopeless. You still had today to put a stop to Manaka's machinations, and you had faith in yourself and in your friends. "Now, hold still." You approached Illya properly, before you placed your hand atop her head, causing her to flinch slightly, though she quickly recovered from her surprise.

"I don't know what you should give me... I just... I want to be able to fight at everyone's side!" Illya sounded brave, but the reality was that she was already strong enough to do just that. Her initial transformation into a goddess because of the actions of Ishtar has already made her strong enough to fight on the level of a Servant. Maybe she just didn't realize how strong she had become yet? It was also quite strange, surrounded by her family as she was, Illya seemed to be flipping between acting her age and acting her appearance. You don't know if you found it cute or off-putting, but it probably wasn't worth thinking about too hard. She was obviously just happy to finally have most of her family at her side.

You didn't respond to Illya, instead closing your eyes and allowing yourself to enter the conceptual world of the homunculus turned goddess.

It's cold. Freezing, even. You look around to find yourself standing in the middle of a snow blanketed forest. A blizzard roars around you as you try to come to terms with your current surroundings. The freezing winds and chilling snow is in a way even more inhospitable than the burning city that made up Shirou's internal world. You were about to start looking around, but then you heard it. A low growl from behind you. Then another growl. Slowly around you, the silhouette of dozens of wolves made themselves known to you. If your experience with Shirou's conceptual world taught you anything, it's that these wolves weren't things you should take lightly.

>Form a Sword of Truth and cut them down as they attack.
>Use Mana Burst to blast them all away.
>Use your martial arts to strike their vital points when they go to attack.
>Run from the wolves. No point trying to kill them.
>Write-in...

>>4925565
>Use Mana Burst to blast them all away.
>Use Gandr to kill those who survived the blast
>If the get into melee range prioritize not getting bitten by them as they managed to hurt Berserker
>After wolves are gone try to use Berkano rune to search for Illya
I assume it is either recreation of that scene where Berserker saves Illya from wolves or we are near Einzbern castle in Austria and we have to find her room or something like that.

>>4925591
Support, also when is illya joining our harem?

>>4925599
On the one hand Illya clearly cares about Shinji and his wellbeing and Shinji is one the few people she has emotional connection with who is not her family.
On the other Shinji in-character saw that she is fully emotionally overwhelmed right now and have no idea how to act with her whole world changing rapidly around her. I would guess getting her family back made her wanting to have a proper childhood which was denied to her before and she getting into more childlike behavior as her repressed emotions surface.
As >>4924922 said her concept of Anima should also empower True inner self and we do know that her actual age is 18 and she is pretty determined person if needs be. And would have looked her age if not for her scuffed and undeveloped body due to all modifications she went through to serve Acht`s goal better.

>>4925565
>>4925591
May have gone for spear + armour but it doesn't matter much. Shinji mains the Truth sword as its a main character weapon

>>4925630
I just want to hug her so anything is fine.

Whatis you should do a snoot game quest or reincarnated as a slime one.

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>>4925599
Never, we don't need her in the harem.

>>4925565
>>4925591
Support. A reasonable plan.

>>4925599
Never

>>4925733
Based Vergil

>>4925738
Ha we're still getting fox wife and dragon and snake wife

>>4925591
>>4925565
+1

>>4925591
+1

>>4925591
+1, straightforward enemies to deal with is a nice distraction from endless retarded anime asspull bullshit thrown at us literally every day

I'm trying to get this written, but I'm not having much luck here.
I'll have to put it off till tomorrow, it's too late.

>>4926191
go rest

>>4926191
Sleep well QM.

>>4925591
>>4925565
Support.

Haven’t been nearly as active in the threads as of late. I’d try and be a bit more active now but I’ve become a wagie so that isn’t as possible as I’d like.

Think I’ll just become one of those namefags. Obviously going to vote/support shit when I can (or when I actually remember to)

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Soon

>>4926298
Nice art. Soon indeed. Soon we will fuck them both at the same time. It’ll be real nice.

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>>4926305
Not if we allow the multiverse to perish.

Reject coom, return to POWER.

>>4926632
Cringe

Just as the wolves pounce upon you, you release a great deal of your magical energy in order to blow them away, and the effect of the usage of Mana Burst is incredible. In an instant, the half dozen beasts that were moments from sinking their teeth into your skin had been blasted away, half of the beasts dying instantly upon being carried directly into the trunks of trees with enough force to instantly bisect them before they faded into wisps of shadow. You should've guessed that these beasts weren't normal animals considering that they were present within Illya's conceptual world.

Looking at the remaining wolves as they struggled back to their feet to pounce on you once again, you just shook your head. You weren't going to take any chances with these things, so instead you infused a Gandr shot with the concept of decay and then shot it at the largest of the remaining wolves, causing it to rapidly decay into shadows. It seems that for attacks, it was possible to imbue concepts into things multiple times, but only if the object that had been granted a concept disappeared without a trace as was the case for your Gandr shots.

The wolves didn't last long against your onslaught, one after the other you erased the wolves, causing their physical forms to decay with well-placed Gandr shots, until you were eventually left all along standing in the freezing blizzard once again. Glancing around to make sure you were alone and that there weren't any more of the wolves lurking about, you allowed some of the tension to leave you body, you still needed to hurry thanks to the cold, but you were no longer in a true life-or-death situation.

You looked around the forest for a while, the snow dusted floor obscured practically everything underneath it, but it didn't take you long to find what you were looking for after you burned away some of the snow with a fire rune drawn in the snow. All you were looking for was a simple average generic pebble, and you had found it. You didn't hang around though, and you quickly engraved a Berkano rune upon the pebble and imbued it with a magical command to point in the direction of Illyasviel von Einzbern.

The stone floated above your hand and spun around for a while before it settled on a direction, and when you knew where Illyasviel was, you raced off in her direction. You were expecting to find her in a clearing in the middle of the forest surrounded by wolves, but instead what greeted you when you were close to her location was a huge castle. The Einzbern Castle, undoubtedly, but... why would Illyasviel be inside it?

An explosion suddenly rocked your senses, and you looked to the side slightly in order to see that a massive hole had been opened up in the walls of the Einzbern Castle, and plumes of smoke were billowing out of the destroyed wall. This... isn't right, is it? What's going on here? How could this be Illyasviel's internal world?

Your eyes opened wide as you saw what happened next, as a black shadow of speed started to race towards the white garbed guards that raced out of the breach to confront their attacker, wait a second... what's going on here?! There's no doubt in your mind, but... that's Kiritsugu! What's going on here?!

>Observe from a distance, see what happens.
>Help Kiritsugu.
>Ignore Kiritsugu, make your own way into the castle.
>Use Rhongomyniad to punch a hole into the castle.
>Write-in...

>>4926950
Observe from a distance, see what happens.
>Help Kiritsugu

>>4926950
>Join Kiritsugu`s assault
>Use non-lethal takedowns and Svefnthorn rune
>After guards are dealt with tell Kiritsugu that he should have waited for you, you didn`t save his ass so he can get another chance to throw away his life and he has a family to care after
>Tell Kiritsugu that all those homunculi are as much victims of Acht as he, Irisviel and Illya are. Difference is that they don`t have their own hero to show up and save them. Their luck that you are here now.
Time to test Niggerman`s rune from >>4889982
And this looks a bit too complicated for a conceptual inner world.

>>4926948
>>4927000
we are fucking time travelling arent we?
fuck.
Also, +1

>>4927000
+1, same deal as with concepting Tiamat
going in to concept divinities and real deities seems to take us back in time, as being divine their conceptual origins lie in the far past and not quite mentally
it's time to change history and make a new branch... again

>>4927016
I like to imagine Chaldea being in a constant state of meltdown due to our actions. It really makes me happy.

>>4927016
Not Eresh tho.

>>4926950
>>4927000
+1

>>4926950
>>4927000
Support.

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>>4926950
Yo WhatIs, have this image you can hopefully hear in your head

>>4926950
>>4927000
Support

>>4927216
I'm looking forward to actually meeting them. We will be their worst nightmare.

>>4927240
Yeah, Eresh proves it's not about divinity. It's weird.

>>4927559
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
BURST ATTACK

Tin Men weren't even the worst part of that dungeon.
It was those Double Hammer motherfuckers.

>>4927810
I played all the worthwhile Castlevanias so far, ending with Order. That includes the two PS2 ones. Didn't try any extra modes or anything though. Maybe one day.

>>4926950
>>4927000
Support

>>4926950
>>4927000
Support

>>4926950
+1 >>4927000
WhatIs, can you tell me what would have happened if we used Rhongo to punch a hole through the castle?

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Dead quest

…..no update today?

>>4928635
QM has what we in the business call, writer's block

>>4928635
Maybe an update.

Maybe not.
I've been suffering major writer's block lately.

>>4928642
Do you need another break WhatIs? Maybe you need to go through with that Elegy of Emptiness reboot/retooling you had thought of. Maybe that’ll cure your writers block.

>>4928642
Have sex

>>4928642
Maybe its time to take another long hiatus QM

>>4928658
based batman

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>>4928709
Thanks

>>4928710
Damn it putting a picture of her when she's not possible anymore is cruel.

Correct me if I'm wrong but she disappears in FGO?

>>4928642
Take it easy.

>>4928716
Bugmong moment

>Caring about DATALOST

>>4928927
Oof

>>4928642
Take a break. A longer break than those you've been taking. You came back refreshed after the previous hiatus, a second one should do you good.

>>4928642
Just let Manaka win, ok?

>>4929008
This

You decide in a flash that you should join Kiritsugu's assault, you can't just allow the man to fail again. If this really is a recreation of the past, or perhaps somehow the past itself, you don't want to allow him to fail again, even if you didn't go to help him the first time, you didn't want to repeat that mistake again. While you didn't have the power you needed to assist Kiritsugu the first time around, this time, things would be different.

And so, joining the black shadow as it charged towards the homunculi was a golden blur of speed, you rushed towards the guards with speed far surpassing even Kiritsugu's under the effect of Time Alter, and before anybody even realized you were present, you were at the breach. You had some time before Kiritsugu arrived, so you spent that time using your massively enhanced speed to knock the guards out in non-lethal fashions. Be it through striking vital points that would send them spiraling into unconsciousness or drawing Svefnthorn runes on their foreheads before they could properly respond to your presence, you soon dealt with all of the guards with little difficulty. Before Kiritsugu had even made it to the breach, even. Ten halberd wielding guards had fallen unconscious around you. For whatever reason, it seemed you had access to your full strength now too, even the cold of the blizzard wasn't effecting you anymore.

"Good evening, Kiritsugu." When the Magus Killer had made his way to you, you greeted him with a cheerful smile, and he froze.

"...Shinji? What are you doing here?"

"I've come to help you out, obviously. You should've waited for me, you know? I didn't save your ass so you could get another chance to throw away your life. You have a family that you need to care for." You remind the Magus Killer of his obligations, and he looks guilty. He knows that he shouldn't have just gone racing after Illyasviel at the detriment of basically everyone, but you can't hold it against him. He knows that he needs to save her, and your plan... well, you can see the problems in your plan for somebody like Kiritsugu. Still, it would've been nice if he brought his concerns up with you instead of just racing off to die in this border forest.

Kiritsugu doesn't say anything in response to your words, he knows that you're right, and isn't even going to attempt to argue with you about it. You wonder just whether this is the real Kiritsugu, or a highly accurate recreation of a conceptual world. It's strange, but you can't really tell, even the Eye of Truth seems to have limited effect on discerning things in these worlds suffused with Truth as they are.

"All these homunculi are just as much victims as you, Irisviel and Illyasviel are, Kiritsugu. The difference is that unlike Irisviel and Illyasviel, they didn't have their own hero to show up and save them. They all have the capacity to function as true human beings, just like Irisviel did. They were just never taught how to do so by Acht." You reminded Kiritsugu of the cruelty of the golem, and he clenched his fist at the reminder of just what he had condoned for the sake of an impossible wish. "But their luck changes today. I'll be that hero. I won't just allow things to keep going as they are." You looked at the breach and prepared yourself for the next stage of the assault. "Now, follow me, I'm going to take care of things, and I don't care if you don't want to follow me." You told Kiritsugu in no uncertain terms. You didn't really want to talk to this particular version of the man, and it's clear that he didn't want to talk much either. A combination of guilt and shame, you suppose.

You race into the breach, and you notice Kiritsugu following you as you do, you have to slow your pace for the Magus Killer, but you do so anyway, it wouldn't be right if you did this all by yourself.

You manage to make it a far way into the castle until a voice echoes around you, and you immediately recognize it. "Magus Killer, I see you have brought assistance for your most recent rescue attempt." The voice was full of disdain, before it turned into a sinister chuckle. "I didn't want to use drastic measures to deal with you, but the two of you have shown yourself to be far too large a threat." The room suddenly began to shake, and you started to look around for the threat. "Go forth and crush them! Berserker!" Suddenly, the floor of the room exploded outwards, and a huge tanned man leapt forth. Oh. Shit.

Immediately, Berserker began to race towards you, and even with your speed, you had very little time to react!

>Shield yourself with Truth!
>Counter-attack with the Sword of Truth!
>Use Rhongomyniad and blow Berserker away!
>Try to evade Berserker's attacks!
>Write-in...

>>4929134
Use Rhongomyniad and blow Berserker away

>>4929134
Summon Rhongoknights and order them to fight Berserker!

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So assuming its Herc, which Shinji should recognise and Acht has access to his stats under Ilya are:

STR: A+
END: A
Agility: A
Mana: A
Luck: B

+ God Hand, which nullifies anything below B rank, A rank Batcon and Valor at A+, coupled with Madness Enhancement, he can't be reasoned with or charmed/intimidated.

Additionally, he has EOTM False at B rank, so trickery will be detected by a spidey sense.

Shinji in contrast has:
Strength: E
Endurance: C (A)
Agility: C (A+)
Magical Energy: EX
Luck: EX
Noble Phantasm: EX

Shinji has Instinct to help him read the situation too, which should help him keep up with Herc in his maddened state somewhat in terms of skill. But Herc is still Shinji's superior in technical ability.

Shinji cannot even touch Herc without using Rhongobongo or the Sword as his STR is pathetically low and gets no sold by God Hand, making unarmed or martial arts used offensively completely pointless. RM is out of the question in case we're inside a conceptual world, that risks killing Ilya.

Blocking his attack with Truth means she just destroys kerry and then keeps belting the dome until Shinji runs out of mana. We could probably turtle with Truth shielding and zerg rush him with Enforcement Knights so Shinji's Instinct gets it's plus modifier, get a read on him properly with the Pure Eye. Probably best to just kill his master rather than trying to deal with Herc directly.

>>4929169
smart anon

>>4929169
+1

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>>4929173
>Shinji cannot even touch Herc without using Rhongobongo or the Sword
I`d say we have few other options here:
1. Mana Burst
2. Gandr with concept of Pierce of Penetration instead of decay. You basically changed it from shrapnel to armor-piercing ammunition. One more opportunity to steal Freischütz.
3. Martial arts can be strengthened by Truth in a way we did to create our version of Kavacha and Kundala. Either an offensive force field or gloves. Something like Truth katar can be utilized with our martial arts too. Killing Arts, conceptual Death weapon and first strike bonus. We killed Touko`s impossible demon before just like that.
4. We can also infuse normal magecraft with Truth making it being able to hit above it`s level. Fire we used to kill Zolgen is prime example of that.
5. Offensive use of Truth barriers to created something close to Truth wires before him and allowing him to cut himself into ground meat with them.
6. Truth boosted Ansuz rune, just with right concept. Main issue that he will be on fire for the rest of the fight.
It is whatever or not you want to go in melee with him. It is probably bad idea and we don`t know how God Hand will interact with him being killed by Truth-based magecraft and attacks.
I like the idea of summoning Enforcement Knights to get him off us and Kiritsugu. And it is likely that Kiritsugu is priority target at least right now. Outright blasting with Rhon is probably the safest default option all things considered.

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Another Big Brain JK Fox GF idea is to combine Berkano and Gandr + concept like Tracking/Homing and just blast Acht with guided rune shots.

>>4929134
>Summon Rhongoknights and order them to fight Berserker
>Use mana burst liberally to hit him and avoid entering melee range with Heracles
>Try to use the Pure Eye to scan for Acht and blast him with Rhon
>Fight Heracles from afar. Use Decay and Penetration Gandr, blast him with Truth Lightning
>Trap him inside Truth barriers
>Melt his legs if necessary, he can grow them back
>Avoid killing him, he can be handed over to Illya later


>>4929296
I'd prefer to avoid killing Heracles if we can help it. Illya would very much like to have him after we're done. And going into melee with him is probably a bad idea. We are faster than him, but one solid hit can launch us through a wall, even if Truth Armor makes us take no damage. Kerry is probably dead by the time we get back.

>>4929296
> Offensive use of Truth barriers to created something close to Truth wires before him and allowing him to cut himself into ground meat with them.
Can we try to chain him with the truth. It should be marginally easier than making truth barb wire

>>4929318
Shuten was able to yank us when we tried using Truth chains on her. Heracles would probably be able to do the same.

>>4929320
Ok. I have even dumber idea.
Remember that dead end when we suffocated ourselves in the room.
I know berserker isn't exactly square shaped and moving fast but could we just separate him from the rest of the world. Absolute barrier that will make him absolutely useless

>>4929331
Anon, my current proposal has us trapping him inside barriers to win the fight if we can't find and blast Acht.

>>4929333
Yeah, I can't read.
Hope barriers will stop mana flow to berserker

>>4929334
We just need him contained until we find and kill Acht. Stopping mana flow is secondary, and probably even detrimental since we want to give him to Illya.

>>4929331
>>4929333
>>4929334
Main problem with catching him a Truth hypercube is that he is very fast and pro-active fighter.
"Just barrier him" is a toss up. It will either come down to making him distracted with knights and magecraft and setting up group of barriers with each new one smaller than previous or stun him first. Something like Isa rune with concept of Freeze might do it.

>>4929338
That is why I have us blasting him with all kinds of stuff before trying to trap him and melting his legs if necessary. What makes you think he'll let us get close and give us the chance to draw a rune on him without tearing our arm off our socket?

>>4929340
I don`t recall Isa rune making a canon appearance so it might as well be ranged attack similar to Gandr but with freezing effect.
We were also warned against using two concepts on one thing so I am not sure it is wise to
>Fight Heracles from afar. Use Decay and Penetration Gandr
If you meant using both at the same time since it could backfire.
Funny mythological option is to him with anti-human fire to burn away mortal part and desummon him due to him becoming divine spirit. But we don`t know exact mechanics with which Acht got him so it could backfire too if something more in play here.

>>4929347
>might as well be ranged attack similar to Gandr but with freezing effect.
In that case, we could use Truth Ice instead. I didn't do it because I don't think it'll be able to hold him. Truth Barrier is absolute.

>If you meant using both at the same time since it could backfire.
No. I meant to mix them up. We're firing more than one shot, they don't all have to be of the same kind.

>Funny mythological option is to him with anti-human fire to burn away mortal part and desummon him due to him becoming divine spirit.
Yes, there's a chance of it backfiring. And why do this to desummon him when we could just kill him instead? We want to have him here after the battle ends so we can give him to Illya, don't we?

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Kind of funny how Alcides was our opponent in arm wrestling tournament whom we never got to fight but now we a get a chance to have a proper fight with him. Shame that no Vritra around for a kiss of good luck. Asha Vahishta power up would have been really useful here.
>>4929134
>>4929314
Going with this.
>>4929351
>In that case, we could use Truth Ice instead. I didn't do it because I don't think it'll be able to hold him. Truth Barrier is absolute.
Stacking slow and freeze debuff makes each following one much easier to apply. But if you believe Truth Lightning will do the work here, we just have to see how it will go.
>No. I meant to mix them up. We're firing more than one shot, they don't all have to be of the same kind.
Very important part to specify.

>>4929134
>>4929314
Support

>>4929365
>Stacking slow and freeze debuff makes each following one much easier to apply. But if you believe Truth Lightning will do the work here, we just have to see how it will go.
Another problem with Truth Ice is that it is easier for Heracles to dodge. Lightning is pretty much instantaneous and therefore undodgeable.

You immediately launch yourself to the side in order to avoid Heracles' initial charge, rolling across the floor and turning to Kiritsugu for just a moment. "Get somewhere out of the way! I'll handle this!" You command the Magus Killer to get away from Heracles, knowing that he wouldn't last half a second if Heracles actually got close to him. You rolled out of the way of another smashing blow from Heracles, it was difficult to avoid his strikes even with your abilities. Heracles was just that powerful, that even with all of your speed and instinctual skill, it was difficult even for you to avoid being hit in close combat.

Heracles seemed to notice that Kiritsugu was attempting to leave, and began to make a beeline towards the man, but you were one step ahead of the rampaging Berserker, and before he reached Kiritsugu, you had drawn Rhongomyniad. You didn't actually intend to use the lance as a weapon however. No, there was another ability that you wanted to rely upon the legendary holy spear for, namely, the ability to summon Enforcement Knights!

Running your magical energy through the spear and wordlessly issuing a command to the spirit within the spear to summon as many knights as it could with the energy provided, you watched as six knights appeared in front of Berserker, colliding with the powerful Berserker before he could reach Kiritsugu. The six knights stalemating the Berserker and preventing him from pushing them back using strength alone. Each of the knights then used their swords to impale Berserker, and God Hand was no defense against the power of the knights, they shared their rank with Rhongomyniad itself, meaning that cutting through God Hand was very much possible for them.

Heracles roared in anger as he was impaled and his strength surged, his roar alone enough to force the knights to back away from him, each tearing their blades loose from his body, but then the powerful Berserker began his counter-attack, crushing the knight furthest to the left with his rocky blade and causing the destroyed armor to fade into golden particles of energy that returned to Rhongomyniad. The Enforcement Knights alone wouldn't last too long against Heracles, for as strong as they were, the greatest hero of Ancient Greece was far more powerful.

Still, with the knights providing a distraction, you had the opportunity to look around the room for Acht with your pure eye, though the results were predictable. He was nowhere close to you. You looked at Heracles as he crushed a second of the Enforcement Knights, and then you got to thinking, while you could attempt to fight Heracles, it wouldn't exactly accomplish much. The one in command of Heracles right now is almost definitely Illyasviel, so all you really need to do is find Illyasviel and get her to call off the assault! With Heracles distracted by the remaining Enforcement Knights, you've got the perfect opportunity to slip away and look for either Acht or Illya! All you need to find is one of them, and you can put a stop to all of this!

>Fight Heracles.
>Look for Illya.
>Look for Acht.
>Look somewhere else? (Where?)
>Write-in...

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>>4929728
>Empower the remaining ENFORCERCHADS with Madness Enhancement to help them stall Herc as long as possible, summon a few more to bolster their ranks too, including Rhon's RULERCHADs if you have the mana to spare, assuming Herc is killing the ME buffed Knights too quickly.
>Specifically summon a new EK without ME who would have taken on the role as a frontline scout/ranger/saboteur in life to follow after Kerry and protect him from anything else Acht has up his sleeve
>Leave the Knights to handle Herc for now and try and seek out Ilya in her room, try the basement if this fails.
>Use your Dragon Core and Manaburst to ZOOOOM through your searching efforts, and a combination of the Pure Eye and tracking runes to assist in finding Ilya.

Kerry would put down the target (Acht) before trying to rescue Ilya you'd imagine. So he probably went for Acht himself.

Fuck I love Enforcerchads. Wouldn't have expected them to have kept EX Mystery rank. Literal pocket army and this is before conceptual buffs, and they play well off Shinji's battlefield analysis fighting style while also being a good use of his massive mana reserves.

>>4929728
>>4929781
Support.

Yeah, I really did not expect the enforcers to be anything more than a minor speedbump to Herc.

Enhancement knights won? Hmm

>>4929728
Look for Illya

>>4929728
>>4929781
+1

>>4929781
easy, let's go

>>4929728
>>4929781
Support

>>4929728
>>4929781
+1

>>4929728
>>4929781
Support

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>>4929728
>>4929781

>>4929728
+1 >>4929781

>>4929728
>>4929781

>>4930573
I hope one of them says this

Dead quest

>>4931299
At least post a coom pic when you post that.

>>4931360
Thanks brother batman

>>4931364
https://youtu.be/QH2p64wF24o

I'm gonna take the weekend off from posting.
I'm struggling to write updates, and forcing it just isn't making it any better.

>>4931371
Damn, truly a
>>4931299

>>4931371
take your time QM me and brother batman will keep the thread alive for (You)

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>>4931371
Take all the time you need.

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>>4931371
Weaknesses qm

>>4931371
Don't try to force yourself, WhatIs. You'll only end up getting burned out entirely.

>>4931371
Its alright brother. We are near the end, remember that. The curse cannot stop you now.

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>>4931416
The only weak one is you anon, relaxation and sleep are the road to POWER.

Only SCHUM force themselves to write, resulting to the loss of quality.

>>4931371
Relax, and take some time for yourself. Rest, and come back with a vengeance to deliver quality

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>>4932764
Other QMs read this?

>>4933247
i seen Sweets-Loving QM around few times, he exchanged ideas with What a lot

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The real question of this quest is... will Lancer's eternal fate of death occur, or shall it be broken?

>>4933292
SchizoVergil? More like SchizoVirgin.

And I'm back, right, feeling a little better about things now, I'll have an update some time after I escape my cage.

>>4932764
>>4931396
>>4931436
>>4932142
Thanks everyone.

>>4933283
Haha, "an exchange of ideas".
Not what I'd call it.

You needed as much time as these knights could buy you, and you knew just how you could ensure that Heracles was distracted for long enough that you'd be able to either get to Illya herself or deal with Acht... you imagined that Kerry had dealing with Acht handled, and you were the one who had to go and meet Illya so you could apply the concept and resolve this conceptual world or fake past or whatever this place was.

"Knights! Go wild!" You granted the remaining four knights Madness Enhancement and watched with satisfaction as their strength and speed suddenly increased greatly and they started avoiding and countering Heracles' attacks, but even with the enhanced abilities, they weren't enough, and Heracles' axe sword smashed through the body of one of the last four knights. You knew that they wouldn't last all by themselves, so you called upon just a little bit more of your magical energy and Rhongomyniad's power in order to summon three more Enforcement Knights, though these three were special, and had the class designation of Ruler. The natural defensive power of the Ruler Class should give you at least some time to try to find Illyasviel before Heracles' could catch up with you.

Finally, as you started to rush towards Illya's room, you summoned one final knight. An Archer class who once had the role of a ranger in life. "Go after Kiritsugu. Make sure that he's not done in by any of Acht's traps." You keep your order to the knight short and continue running through the halls, already having gained a few hundred meters from the battle between Heracles and the Knights. It wouldn't take you long to find Illya's room at this rate!

You rapidly ascended a few sets of stairs upon reaching them, finding yourself on the third floor of the large castle, but you kept running. Never stopping, you could feel that three of the knights had already been defeated since you ran from Heracles, but they were still holding him off for now, it seems.

With those remaining knights, you pushed on, finally making your way to Illya's room and basically kicking the door down as you did.

"Eep!" Illya was sitting on her bed and immediately two maids standing on the other side of the door tried to reach out to grab you, but you were far too quick for them, and you simply drew the Svefthorn rune on both of their foreheads. You don't think that these two maids were Sella or Leysritt, but you didn't want to kill any of the homunculi in the first place. "W-who are you?!" The little girl sitting on her bed seemed terrified of your sudden intrusion, and you looked at her.

>Say nothing, just grab her and apply a concept to her.
>"I'm the man who's here to save you."
>"I'm a friend of your father's."
>"I'm a hero."
>Write-in...

>>4933754
>>"I'm the man who's here to save you."
Third option is a no go.
4th is shady.

>>4933754
I'm your knight in shining armor for the day. Apply our truth armor.

>>4933754
>>4933780
I like it, support.

>>4933761
>Third option is a no go.
why?

>>4933789
she doesnt know who we are, and we havent told her or convinced her about her dad in this conceptual world.

>>4933791
But that's exactly why we should tell her we're his friend. She knows her father and has been expecting him to save her.

>>4933795
She hates her father bro. and her brother.

>>4933797
Because he didn't save her, "bro". Now he has

>>4933803
Well, we are the one inside her bedroom right now.

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>>4933754
>Gently take Illya`s hand
>”Fear not, Illya. You don`t know me yet but we will get to know each other quite well in the future.
Through hell and high water.”
>”I come here alongside your father, Kiritsugu Emiya, to put an end to web of deceit which Acht weaved around you. Right now, Heracles is engaged in a fight with my summons as your father putting an end to the man who envisioned a horrible fate for you, your father and your mother.”
>”Please, allow me to save you and your father. The proof I can give about my honest intentions is this. I only ask of you to use this power to protect people you care about and those who will come to need your help the most.”
>Apply concept to Illya
Time for another Saver moment and inspirational speech.
If this conceptual world we got to do save Illya speech we never got in the beginning of quest. If this Tiamat`s situation then we will be able to inspire this Illya to do good and leave a strong impression on her to be best person she can.

>>4933754
>"I'm a friend of your father's."
>"We're here to save you."
>"Tell Berserker to stop fighting my knights."
>"Please come with me. I'll take you to Kiritsugu."
Just like when we concepted Tiamat, we have created a new lostbelt. We leave when we apply the concept, but we cannot leave yet. We need to explain things properly to them, warn them and our past self about Manaka, and tell them to hire Monica and save Sakura early just like we saved Illya early. We accidentally created this timeline, we have a responsibility to make it better.

>>4933822
I fully trust in motivated and conceptually powered up Illya and our past self.
Every moment here wastes our time in our timeline and gives Manaka more time to prepare or make her move.
We still have a lot of things to do like meeting Tamamo, giving EMIYA power up and so on. If you want to see a stomp here just vote for it in Carnival.

>>4933834
>I fully trust in motivated and conceptually powered up Illya and our past self.
There are a lot of things that could go wrong when changing the past. Manaka might decide to stop playing earlier, Gil might decide to just murder them all before they're read. Why take the chance?

>Every moment here wastes our time in our timeline and gives Manaka more time to prepare or make her move.
Either no time passes while we're here, or it's so massively accelerated as to make no difference. We will spend a few minutes to bring them up to speed, and lose MAYBE a few moments in our timeline.

>If you want to see a stomp here just vote for it in Carnival.
You may not care what happens to these people, but I do. Helping them deal with Manaka easier than we did, saving Sakura three years early, we can do these things at literally no cost to ourselves. Why are you so insistent on leaving things in this timeline up to chance when we can help them so easily?

>>4933754
>>4933822
Support

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>>4933822
>>4933754
If its really the past, then yeah +1 this.
If we are creating more timelines every time we concept some people, its our responsibility to at least explain some shit to then, tiamat's case was too early for any explanation to make sense, but this one probably will.
We also need to see why its only some people.

Also
+
>headpat illya if the opportunity arises

>>4933925
Oof

>>4933822
+1 to this mad autistic cunt's vote
I'm this anon >>4930666 posting mobile

>>4933754
>>4933822
+1.

>>4933780
>>4933785
Samefag

>>4933977
It's funny, you call yourself Batman yet to me you seem to be a clown.

>>4933977
You're not me

>>4933925
>We also need to see why its only some people.
Yeah, I say we IMMEDIATELY try to figure out what's going on when we get back in the present, before we concept anyone else and risk splitting the timeline again. We need to talk to Rin and Touko as they are the experts, and we also need to talk to Alaya. The only reason she's been able to stalemate the other Alayas is because her timeline wasn't split and she retained all the power that would be spread over infinite parallel worlds. Tiamat's lostbelt was split before the earth was even created, so it changed nothing in that regard. But there is a (small) possibility Illya's lostbelt caused our Alaya to split and lose some of her power, which would mean we're very close to the point where the other Alayas will be able to just overpower her and destroy us all. We can't risk it without knowing more.

>>4933754
>>4933822
support, must seek the golden timeline.

>>4933780
support

>>4933977
also really trying to copy batman? cringe much?