"Then please..." You looked the knight in the eyes. "Defeat Archer. But do not kill him. We need every ally that we can get for the upcoming battles." If there was a doppelganger of you running around and your powers had been weakened... the implication was terrifying. Could... Manaka have really managed to imbue something not just with a conceptual application of Truth, but... with Truth itself? Could she really have managed to reach a level where she was capable of doing things like that? Things that you had always assumed to be impossible? You were an existence that should have been impossible to copy. Truth was a power that was supposed to have been yours and yours alone to command. Just how much had Manaka managed to accomplish that you had thought impossible? How much... how much had you been holding yourself back? What could you have really done with Truth if you had really wished it? It was a power that had shown itself to have no true limits, but you... you squandered it. You squandered it and allowed a situation to arise where it could be taken from you.

"You're quite confident in the power of your Servant, aren't you, boy?!" The voice of the enemy Servant echoed through the clearing, and Lancelot got into a combat stance before arrows started flying from every direction with a time delay of almost nothing. In the span of seconds, hundreds of arrows had been fired towards Lancelot, who had either dodged, parried or blocked each and every one of the attacks sent his way, Impressive, considering that his only weapon was a stick. A battle between two entities on the level of these two was still an incredible spectacle to behold, though Lancelot was mostly fighting defensively in blocking and dodging the arrows. It was surprising that Archer had not targeted you once, he must've simply been the sort of person to be honorable enough not to try to win through such a cheap method.

"Archer, you must've figured out by now that these arrows are no threat to me. You may keep firing that bow of yours as much as you wish, but you will never defeat me with such cowardly tactics." Lancelot yelled at his foe, clearly annoyed at Archer's decision to remain in the shadows to fight.

"Cowardly tactics...?" The Archer's attacks ceased as he burst into laughter, his deep voice booming around you as he lost his composure entirely. "You believe that I'm doing this to win this battle?" He stopped laughing, and a single arrow was fired towards Lancelot once more. The powerful knight moved to cut the arrow down before he stopped his blade in mid air and instead leaped backwards just in time to avoid the point of a huge halberd piercing his chest. It was a feint! The true attack was Archer behind the arrow?

The ground shook as the attacker hit the ground, spinning his weapon in his hand with a dangerous smile on his face before he pointed it at Lancelot. "I was just testing you to see if you were truly a worthy opponent, but you've given me my answer already." Your eyes widened as you got a good look at the Servant in question, and you immediately realized who it was from his distinctive appearance alone.

[Status Updated!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bOTqaKKQ9s

"L-Lu Bu!?" Flat's Servant was Lu Bu of all people?! How the hell had he managed to avoid getting betrayed? More to the point, he was... strong! Way too strong for a simple Archer! How had Flat managed to get Archer to such a level of strength?!

"Lu Bu...?" Lancelot repeated the name of the Servant with a frown on his face, you didn't know if Lancelot would be aware of who Lu Bu was as a result of his current status as a living being with no real connections to the Throne, but he at least seemed to understand the threat his opponent presented. "You know, for an Archer, that sure doesn't look like a bow in your hand there." Lancelot decided to question his foe, but Lu Bu simply spit on the ground.

"Now's not the time for talking, knight!" He charged towards Lancelot, and his sudden burst of speed took Lancelot off guard for a moment as he thrust his halberd towards his opponent multiple times in a row. Lancelot only just managed to avoid the strikes, though it was clear that he still held an advantage, as even though he only just managed to avoid the attacks, he still managed to avoid them without using his full power.

"Fine." Lancelot suddenly stepped to the side of one of Lu Bu's piercing strikes and lashed out with the stick in his hand, though his enemy was too quick to adapt to his attacks and rather than allow himself to be hit, he plunged his halberd into the ground and used the speed he had been attacking with as a pivot point for him to spin himself around his own weapon in order to land a kick on Lancelot's face. But again, this attack failed when Lancelot quickly raised his free arm up to deflect the attack with the intent to send Lu Bu off-balance.

Instead of allowing himself to fall to the ground, Archer kicked his leg higher into the air and did a back-flip away from Lancelot. Grabbing his Halberd from the ground as he did and having it transform into a bow to launch arrows at Lancelot with before he even hit the ground once again. That must be his Noble Phantasm, God Force. A tremendously powerful variable weapon that could take all sorts of different forms to use in a fight, and Lu Bu was a master with all of them.

Lancelot leaped from the path of the arrows and some distance was gained between the two battling warriors. Neither had taken any sort of damaging blow from the other yet, and you were astonished at how powerful Lu Bu actually was, to be able to pressure Lancelot even though Lancelot had been empowered by such a great deal. "I can tell that I won't be able to beat you like this..." Lancelot seemed to be quite confident still despite his worrying statement, but you understood why when he used his foot to kick a branch up into the air which he grasped a hold of with his free hand, transforming the mundane stick into a deadly weapon capable of matching Noble Phantasms in an instant.

"Two weapons?" Lu Bu commented on Lancelot's choice of style before his bow rapidly transformed back into the form of a halberd. The clashes between the two were about to start once more, and you found your attention shifting over to Flat. You could try to focus your energy into your Pure Eye in order to get more information about either Lu Bu or Flat, but... it was something you didn't want to rely upon. The power of Truth was not your ally right now. You couldn't determine who would win the fight between the two right now either, they were seemingly equally matched. Should you get involved in the fight somehow?

>Use your Pure Eye on Lu Bu.
>Use your Pure Eye on Flat.
>Attack Flat while the battle between Lancelot and Lu Bu rages on.
>Attack Lu Bu while his back is turned and he is fighting Lancelot.
>Have Gray deal with Lu Bu while his back is turned.
>Write-in...

>>5003232
>Use your Pure Eye on Flat
We need to know if Obiethion has buffed him or not. If she's made Flat stronger it would be safe to assume she would have buffed Lu Bu as well.

>>5003232
>Use your Pure Eye on Flat.
Ahhh its good to be back. So WhatIs, you got things sorted out right?

>>5003232
>Do nothing. Just watch the battle. Be ready to intervene if it looks like one is about to kill the other.
We don't actually need to see Flat's stats immediately, and Truth is a limited resource until we've dealt with Manaka. We should ration its usage carefully. Flat will tell us everything when the battle is finished, no matter who wins. We just need to make sure the battletards don't get carried away here.

>>5003253
>Flat will tell us everything when the battle is finished, no matter who wins
Flat will just kill us if he wins. He's a fucking moron with Threat to Humanity level potential. He will just kill us.

>>5003255
He may be a moron, but he is not a killer, and he is only a Threat to Humanity if he doesn't meet Waver. What makes you think he'll go against his word and kill us if Lu Bu wins?

>>5003257
>Flat promised not to kill us if Lu Bu wins
That slipped my mind for some reason. My paranoia is actually just make me forget things now.

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>>5003232
>watch battle
>ask how Gray is feeling and what she thinks of the battle

>>5003293
Support
>>5003232

>>5003232
Switch >>5003253 to >>5003293
Yeah, talking to Gray as they fight is a good idea.

>>5003293
+1, very good breather and characterization moment

>>5003257
Holding off on voting for a sec because feel the need to ask;
>What makes you think he'll go against his word and kill us if Lu Bu wins?
While Flat might not be clever enough to think of it, what makes you certain Lu Bu won't kill us if Lu Bu wins?

>>5003431
Lu Bu might kill Lancelot, but I don't think he'd kill Shinji specifically.

>>5003441
Perhaps but in which case they'd have even less reason to cooperate with us because despite having the goal of saving the world we allowed half our firepower to be taken out for being too trusting of our opponent.

I'm not advocating backstabbing them just to have a win, but if we can trust Flat not to go against his word I'd say keep the pure eye on Lu Bu if for no other reason than to make sure this doesn't go too far.

>>5003431
What makes you think Lu Bu is an evil psychotic killer? Because that's what he'd need to be to murder everyone if he wins a duel thar he requested to test Lancelot's resolve.

>>5003465
And why we want to cooperate with then if we can't trust them not to kill half our firepower for no reason? If you really believe them to be so untrustworthy, shouldn't yoh be advocating to backstab them immediately?

Besides, we are already watching the battle. I don't see how activating the eye to scan Lu Bu would help.

>>5003682
To be honest, I just want to scan both Flat and Lu Bu because I really like the way WhatIs writes character sheets.

>>5003232
>>5003245
Changing to >>5003293

>>5003682
Upfront because I like a discussion and overanalyzing. Aside from that what we know about Flat and archer Lu Bu comes from OOC knowledge for the former and memes and speculation for the latter while Flat barely knew us and Lu Bu even less. Since already doubt if we're not just another fake who came in with backup and don't completely trust either of them not to do something stupid.
Despite my misgivings, 'backstabbing them first' just because of they might is even more moronic but would like to have something to do damage control even if its just a more filled out character sheet.
Aside from that I don't really have an issue with the vote, more characterization and bonding with the non-harem cast is always welcome.

>>5003293
>>5003232
+1
its Lu Bu
Fucking called it.

>>5003691
I like the charsheets too, but we already have most of Lu Bu's, and we'll get Flat's soon anyway. There's no need to hurry.

>>5003748
I always like calm discussions like this one. And I don't think there's any reason to suspect a betrayal from them. But if it does happen for some reason, we can scan them quickly and get their charsheets then.

>>5003232
>>5003293
Support

>>5003232
>>5003293
Still feel like there's something more we can do here but unable to come up with anything else to suggest.

>>5003918
I mostly brought up because bad things tend to happen when I ignore my gut and last time I did we ended up eating a death scythe, I could still just be on edge though.

>>5004103
You should've said something back then. We would have avoided an embarrassing death.

>>5004110
I probably should have but got caught up in life and ended up misreading the scythe passing through the statue as cutting through it and not ignoring it entirely. I still felt there was something off with the setup but since hadn't put things together until after ended up just passing it off as lingering paranoia.
Anyway, hate sounding like one of those guys since you know how much those things are worth in hindsight; better to use as a reminder to bring it up and get proven wrong.

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>>5003293
Support

I just realized that Monica is probably in her mid-forties right now.

QM doko? There hasn’t been an update tonight.

>>5004906
QM is painstakingly putting together the update and suffering as he attempts to finish it.

>>5004908
Don't push yourself too hard, man.

>>5004908
You need another hiatus boss

>>5005004
I think WhatIs should try and push out a few more updates and get us to a good "end of the episode" point, and then take a break from this quest. Maybe try doing that Satsuki quest we were talking about last thread.

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>>5004908
Take it easy.

And it was deleted again lol

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It's fuckin raw

>>5005043
Really the dude needs a break
fate by itself has always been kinda autistic pair that with 4chan and well...it's a powder keg bound to explode eventually. he did a break a while back right? maybe he should do one again. ease off on the mental burden a bit

>>5005153
Started playing Genshin recently…sadly did not get Raiden.

Speaking of….honestly I wonder if anyone will do a Genshin or Honkai quest. I think both could make fun quests and both have plenty of lore and worldbuilding to keep things legitimately interesting (Honkai especially).

You decide it would be best not to get involved in the battle, Lancelot probably had a handle on things. He wasn't using his full power just yet, and though Lu Bu was a tremendously powerful adversary when he had access to his actual martial skill, Lancelot was arguably the most powerful Knight of the Round Table, with only Galahad being arguably more powerful than him traditionally.

Instead of getting involved in the battle, you resolved to simply observe things. You had enough faith in Lancelot that he wouldn't fall to somebody like Lu Bu even before he had been empowered as he had been, you knew just how powerful that Lancelot was supposed to be, after all. Lu Bu's might was also legendary, and the battle seemingly was all going to come down to who was the most skilled opponent. Lancelot's weapons of choice were... well, two sticks weren't exactly going to do him much good against God Force, even if they had been transformed into Noble Phantasms by his abilities. They'd hold up, sure, but he'd really need to start getting serious if he wanted to actually do anything to Lu Bu in the fight other than have a battle to see who could force the other to run out of magical energy first, and Lu Bu was an Archer with Independent Action and a powerful Master as his supply... but at the same time, Lancelot was actually alive and capable of creating his magical energy entirely by himself, so theoretically he should be able to outlast Lu Bu. Of course, that would just be ridiculous. Even if the two of them could fight for that long, it just wouldn't be feasible.

You watched as the two powerful Servants clashed with each other. Neither being able to get a substantial advantage over the other for more than a few seconds before their efforts were invalidated by a clever move or counter that was able to turn the tide in their favor temporarily. It was like watching a deadly game of tennis between two incredibly deadly warriors. Lu Bu had given up on trying to disarm Lancelot too, because every single time that he managed to knock a stick out of Lancelot's hand, all the knight had to do to make up for the lost weapon was simply... pick up another stick. It was a tremendously unfair ability to be able to transform whatever you were holding into a powerful weapon, it meant that you would never be disarmed. Though for Lancelot's case, if he had his original weapon, Arondight... then he probably would've already managed to defeat Lu Bu through the enhancement that the blade gave him. That he's still not drawing whatever his new Noble Phantasm is despite the stalemate is some pretty clear evidence that he wasn't lying when he spoke of the power it held.

As you watched the two continue their fight, you shuffled a little closer to Gray, who was watching the fight with great interest for some reason. "Hey, Gray... you're... feeling alright, aren't you? Did seeing Flat here jog any of your memories?" You decide to ask the obvious first. She did know Flat after all, so as slight as the hope might be, there was still a chance that seeing his face and hearing his voice would unlock Gray's missing memories, but the lack of any recognition in her expressions was enough to tell you that it was a vain hope to have.

"No... I don't recall his face." She shook her head sadly. "I don't know who that person is. But... they feel like something that I need to kill." Her gaze suddenly hardened as she kept looking at Flat, who was trying his hardest to keep track of Lu Bu fighting Lancelot. In fact, it looked like he was so distracted by the battle between the two Servants that he had completely failed to pay any attention to you or Gray, completely lost in a world of his own as he was like to do.

"Kill...? Gray... you can't kill him. He's your friend!" You were alarmed by Gray's willingness to kill Flat. A lingering feeling left over from the spirits that once inhabited her...? But why would they want to kill Flat of all people? He clearly hadn't switched over to his other personality where he was an actual threat, he just seemed to be more inclined to take revenge on you for... something that you didn't do.

"If he's my friend, then why is he trying to stop you? Aren't you trying to save the world?" Gray sounded genuinely confused by your reaction to her feeling that way. Though you could theorize a reason. If the spirits that were once within her body were aware of Flat's true nature as a potential threat to humanity, it's only natural that some of those feelings would end up rubbing off on her.

"A case of mistaken identity. You of all people should know what that feels like." You crack a joke, but the lack of any sort of smile or even reaction from Gray tells you that she didn't get it. Probably a good thing too, you don't know if she would enjoy being reminded of her facial similarity to Arturia in a situation like this, even if the existence of multiple other people who shared Arturia's face should've been able to assuage her concerns about losing herself as an individual. Though with her memories currently lost, both her fears and any acceptance she might've had about them were gone entirely.

You took your eyes off of Gray for a moment in order to look at the fight again, and you saw that there hadn't been any real progress on either front. Lancelot and Lu Bu were still trapped in a deadly stalemate of stick with spear. That Lu Bu was mostly fighting Lancelot in close quarters despite being an Archer spoke volumes as to his power and skill. That he match a being as powerful as Lancelot in a class as broken as Ruler without struggle. "Why... why don't they just use their full powers to kill the other just yet? I've... I've been watching, and neither of them look like they're using all their power... don't they want to win?" Gray asked you a question as you watched them battle it out, and you sighed.

"Well, I asked... Saber..." You decide to use an incorrect class for Lancelot just in case Flat was paying attention, it might be dangerous to spill the secret that he was actually a Ruler, after all. "I asked Saber to keep Archer alive. We're going to need him to help us against my doppelganger." Or at least you felt you might need the assistance of the powerful Master-Servant Duo that was Flat and Lu Bu. It was a terribly strange combination of people, and you really wondered how come Lu Bu hadn't betrayed Flat yet. As far as Servants went, Lu Bu wasn't exactly the most... well, loyal historical figure. In fact, he was one of the most treacherous! So why had he chosen not to betray Flat? Could he have just not been given an opportunity to betray him just yet? Or was there something more to their relationship? Flat was the sort of person who could form the most unlikely of friendships, after all. It wasn't... impossible, that he had managed to make Lu Bu of all people decide to actually accept him as his Master, as ridiculous as that sounds. Flat was just the sort of ridiculous person who did things like that.

"Well... unless Saber stops playing around, he's not going to win." Gray shook her head. "You can tell as well. The person who uses their full power first is going to be the winner, they are too evenly matched for this battle to end in any way other than a fatal strike when their guard is down." Gray calmly analyzed the battle and came to a morbid conclusion, but not one that you could argue with. It was true that if Lancelot wasn't careful, he'd fall victim to the full power of God Force and be slain by the Noble Phantasm if he was just planning on using two sticks for the entire fight. He was simply lucky that Lu Bu hadn't actually used the full power of his weapon and seemed content to merely using it as a variable weapon right now, or... maybe it was calculated? Lu Bu was certainly enjoying himself battling Lancelot, so maybe he simply didn't want to use his Noble Phantasm to cut their fight short?

Regardless of anything else, Gray was right. Lancelot wouldn't win this fight without something changing, but... what could you do?

>Tell Lancelot to stop messing about and act seriously.
>Try to project a metal blade for Lancelot to use. Projection can't be that hard.
>Bring out Rhongomyniad and throw it to Lancelot.
>Ask Gray to hit Lu Bu with a non-lethal surprise attack so Lancelot can end the fight.
>Attack Lu Bu yourself with your Dragon Core and Rhongomyniad.
>Write-in...

>>5005833
Bring out Rhongobongo and throw it to Lancelot.

>>5005833
>>5005880
Try and project a sword for Lancelot and if it doesn't work throw him Rhongomyniad.

>>5005833
>Write In..
>Try and distract Lu Bu by throwing something at him.
I honestly can’t think of anything but I think this could work. If we can distract him somehow Lancelot could win the fight.

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>>5006042
Shit forgot name.

By the way WhatIs. I have an actual question….would it at all be possible to summon Bunyan? I’m genuinely curious.

>>5005833
>Ask them if they're willing to call the fight a draw. They are evenly matched and we are pressed for time.
>If they refuse, bring out Rhongomyniad and throw it to Lancelot

>>5006077
>>5005833
Supportan.

>>5006077
+1, time eludes us

>>5005833
>>5006077
Support, even if unlikely they'll take it like giving the option.
Now that think on it wonder if we brought out Rhongo earlier would it have helped or hindered our case since although she was the last Manaka sent after us and led to the current situation, we did save her from being deleted right before the current mess happened, guess will make for a good test of what Flat saw.

Oh, cool, Paradox qst is still alive, how is it goin-
>The Grail War is pointless. It has always been pointless.
>You will only bring despair.
Oh... but you're going to fix that, r-right?
Did you seriously piss of QM or what?

>>5006768
Blame the Autist

I hope WhatIs isn't pushing himself too hard.

>>5006787
You forgot to mention to blame the nigger as well. After making this a concept filled shitfest he fucked off. Which is kind of hilarious when you think about it.

>>5007621
I thought he posted last thread.

>>5007621
Something something he's a teacher something something.

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Soooooo. Its been like 2 days since the last update WhatIs. If your going on break again at least tell us. Then again its possible you finally broke and killed this quest. Whilst that would be sad, it wouldn’t be a surprise. If this quest truly is dead, perhaps some confirmation is an order presuming your plan isn’t to ghost us.

>>5007814
Not dead, just busy with life stuff.
I've been writing the update in my spare time but between work and family obligations, I've not had a lot of free time.

>>5007816
Don't worry, man. Life comes first, but it would still be nice to let us know when stuff comes up.

>>5007816
Well thats good to know. Least the quest isn’t dead. I really hope you can get the update done and released when you can. Keep up the great work man :)

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>>5007816
Take it easy.

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Afternoon bros

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Where's our tale gf?

>>5008742
Meant tall

Now that the dust has settled and we more or less know what happens, thoughts on TsukiRe?

>>5009157
better than OG tsuki

>>5009157
About as good as the original I’d argue. Not saying its better than the OG, that’ll have to wait until Far Side comes out but I think it is on par with the original in spite of how different it is.

>>5009157
The new Ciel route and new lore seems fucking rad, but everything else seems kind ehh to me, especially the art.

I also will never stop being mad about Nasu putting Arcueid in a short skirt. The grandma outfit makes the most sense for her character-wise.

This fight is clearly going absolutely nowhere, and if the two can't come to a conclusion by themselves, then you may as well just step in and try to call things off yourself. It's obvious that neither Lu Bu nor Lancelot are the sorts of warriors to just offer a draw to their opponent. Especially not when neither of them are going all out in their battle. But... at the same time you couldn't really afford to allow the two of them the time that they needed to have the long drawn out battle that they seemed to seek. It was clear that Lu Bu was enjoying being able to face an opponent on his level, and while Lancelot was a little more reserved about things, it was quite clear that he too was enjoying the fight. One that wasn't laden down with betrayal or sorrow, but a simple fight against a strange enemy from another land who was his martial equal when it came to skill. For Lancelot as he was now, this was a rare opportunity. To be able to simply fight as a knight for a greater cause.

"OK!" You took a step forwards. "We're sort of in a hurry here, so... can you two just agree to a draw or something? We can't exactly spend all day just watching you two fight when reality itself is at stake. Can you two not resolve this battle at a later date? Have you not tested my Servant's resolve through his skill yet, Archer?" Flat was too obsessed with things that he found cool to intervene in the battle, and Lancelot and Lu Bu were both simply having too much fun with an enemy that they could actually fight against without necessarily needing to hold back their true power.

"Huh?" Flat tilted his head in surprise at you as you suggested bringing the fight to an end. "But why...? The good part is just getting started!" He sounded annoyed at the suggestion, but you shook your head at Flat. This battle couldn't be allowed to continue if you actually wanted there to be a positive outcome to all this. Even if you had faith in Lancelot, you didn't know if he could defeat Lu Bu without actually killing him or injuring him to the degree that he'd be... less useful in the battles to come.

"Because, Flat. Your Servant said he merely wanted to cross blades with mine in order to test him, did he not? Surely by now the great Lu Bu would've been able to get a read on my Servant to determine what drives him, no?" Flat shut up pretty fast at that, but you didn't want to stop talking just yet. "I don't want to fight you. I'm not who you think I am. I am the real Shinji, as cliche as that sounds. Think about it like this, what would the villain gain from continually impersonating me now that you're already cautious around me? Wouldn't it have made more sense for them to appear to you as somebody like Gray who you already trusted?" You pointed to Gray who looked up at your words.

"Well... I..." Flat seemed flustered, as if he didn't know what to say in response to your words, and you grinned at him. "Archer...! Do you... do you have any ideas yet?" He called out to his Servant, who instead of entering into the fray with Lancelot once more, leaped back to his side and transformed his spear back into a bow.

"I do. I've managed to determine that this enemy isn't one who fights for himself or on the orders of another out of simple loyalty." He crossed his arms and frowned with annoyance as Lancelot stared towards him and Flat with his two weapons still at the ready. "I've seen others with his face before. He fights because he believes himself to be serving a great cause. He thinks he is serving something greater than he is." Archer correctly managed to derive Lancelot's motivations from their brief battle.

"That's because I am. I am not Shinji's Servant." Lancelot threw one of his two sticks aside and pointed at Flat and Lu Bu with a gauntleted hand. "I, despite still being alive, have been granted the class and powers of a Ruler. My mission is to aid Shinji here in order to prevent a total collapse of all reality, and in doing so... in doing so I will find my own redemption, even if I won't exist to enjoy it." Lancelot had come to terms with the fate that he must suffer, and you honestly felt bad for the guy. The one time he would be allowed to redeem his actions in life, doing so would actually end up erasing him entirely anyway. What a cruel fate.

"Then... you really are the real Shinji?" Flat seemed to finally be on the verge of accepting the truth, and you just sighed.

"Of course I am. The sooner that you got that through your industrial-grade thick skull, the sooner we can get to figuring out just who the hell is impersonating me, or if I actually have evil twins or evil clones or something."

"Then... if you have an evil clone, should we call them Dark Shinji? Nega-Shinji? Ijnihs?" A switch in Flat's head seemed to have finally been switched, and he didn't seem to be hostile at all to you anymore. What the hell? You weren't sure if he was naive or bipolar or what, but... why would he suddenly trust you so much to just joke around after being convinced that you were trying to kill him just moments before?

"No." You sternly told the boy that you wouldn't be giving the doppelganger a silly name like that. If it really was some sort of evil clone, you'd call him Shinji Alter, as normal naming convention would dictate. "So, do you trust me now?" You ask the boy for one last time, and he shrugs.

"Either you got better at acting, or you're the real Shinji. You're not exactly giving off the same vibe that the you who attacked me gave off." The boy turned around and Archer begrudgingly followed. "You shouldn't follow me just yet though. In fact, I'd suggest that you stay exactly where you are instead of getting yourselves lost in this forest. You'll never make it to the Queen without her permission." He walked into the clearing and you thought about following for a moment before you shook your head.

Flat and Archer disappeared out of the clearing, leaving you Gray and Lancelot by yourselves. Lancelot didn't seem to be too fussed with the fight being called off either, though he did look worried about something else as he approached you.

"Are you sure that waiting for them to return is the best idea?" Lancelot didn't seem to be happy with what he was saying, but he voiced his concerns anyway.

"Huh? What do you mean?"

"I mean that they may just be intending to return with a great force to wipe us all out. While I could get a read on the Servant, I couldn't get a read on the Master... and for as powerful as I am compared to who I once was now, I can't safely say that I can fight off whatever the Queen of this Forest has at her disposal. At least not if they throw everything they have at us." Lancelot was right. For as powerful as he and Gray were, you couldn't afford to underestimate fairies. Especially not with your own powers diminished.

>"I think we can trust Flat."
>"Good point, we should keep moving."
>"Good point, we should try to find a fairy again."
>Write-in...

>>5009906

>"I think we can trust Flat."

>>5009906
>"I think we can trust Flat."
Good to have you back WhatIs

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Oh shit, missed the start of the new thread.
>"I think we can trust Flat."

>>5009157
What even happens?
>>5009906
>"I think we can trust Flat."
>"i don't think he would be able to lie to our face without it being obvious."
No way the savant retard can lie that well.

>>5010325
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/8981-SUMMARY-SPOILERS-Tsukihime-A-piece-of-blue-glass-moon-Synopsis

>>5009906
>"I think we can trust Flat."
>"i don't think he would be able to lie to our face without it being obvious."

>>5009906
>>5010325

>>5009906
>"I think we can trust Flat."

https://youtu.be/x1-HAs4JSBE

It's ogre

>>5012034
>Sion isn't in the game for "lore reasons"
>"LMAO HERE'S SABER THOUGH"
I found this out last night and I'm still livid.

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>>5012089
Leaks have been out for more than a month.
The actual reason she's in is because French Bread were making a prototype Fate game, and made Saber first as a proof of concept.
Then Tsukihime remake came out, so they changed to Melty, and asked to use what they'd already made, since they like Saber.
But yeah, I'm sure the increase in sales didn't hurt either.

>>5012109
I was holding out hope that the leaks were fake.
Also that sounds like total bullshit.

>>5012110
It's literally what FB said.
I was already playing Miyako, but I'll have a pocket Saber too I suppose.

>>5012116
Companies lie, anon.
>"Haha, what a coincidence! We just happened to be working on SABER FROM FATE STAY NIGHT alone and we decided to put her in too!"
Whatever, update maybe sometime today, maybe not.

>>5012119
I don't know, higher powers having them pivot a whole project based on Nasu and the companies whims seems perfectly in character.

>>5009906
>"I think we can trust Flat."

Dead quest

>>5013085
Not yet, Mister One Post Id.

>>5013085
Batman where's your coompic to go along with your post?

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Welp. Things are awful and nothing makes sense anymore, but I'm playing my main and I've learned that all I can really ask for anymore.
I am content.

Flat was... acting a little stranger than you'd have expected of him, but... his usual eccentricity was something that you felt like you could rely upon. You didn't think that he'd betray you like that. Especially because Lu Bu's code as a warrior almost certainly wouldn't allow him to flee from a fight only to return with more soldiers for a one on one duel. To somebody like Lu Bu, that would likely feel more like an admission of defeat than even meeting his end at the point of his enemies blade. "I think... I think that we can trust Flat, Lancelot. He's not the sort of person who'd lie like that, and even if it would be a simple task for him to return with reinforcements, don't tell me that you're afraid of a little bit of fighting." You smirked at the knight. "Aren't you supposed to be the most powerful of the Round Table Knights? Surely you wouldn't shy away from combat with a few fairies, hmm?"

"I do not relish the idea of doing battle with true fairies. Not least because they were... my benefactors, before I became an instrument of the Lord." Lancelot did seem to have a strange relationship with fairies, of course, his relationship with his adoptive mother would be to blame for that one. He was raised by fairies, after all... it was really a wonder how Lancelot actually ended up turning out as well as he did as a result of that. Of course, he had his flaws, considering his actions could arguably be blamed for the downfall of Camelot when he and Guinevere had their affair, but to blame the downfall of Camelot on a single person like that was just... foolish. The fall of Camelot was not only the fault of many involved, but it was something that could not be averted as the world itself was against Camelot at that point. Honestly, the only person who realistically had the power to avert the fall of Camelot was Merlin himself, but his hands were pretty much tied even if he might've wanted to save Arturia from the suffering she would be forced to go through. This world... this world that had been created through Manaka's power was only possible thanks to that very power. A world where Camelot survived even after Arturia's death. It couldn't exist. Yet... the power of Truth that had been usurped from you specialized in the impossible, and it looked as if Manaka had no issue with using those impossibilities to even create worlds such as this one.

"Well then, I guess that we're just going to have to wait to see if Flat is going to keep his word." You had no guarantee that he would other than your own knowledge about the boy's personality. He wasn't really the sort of person to maliciously lie like that though, so it was probably safe to just... not go anywhere. Besides, even if it was an ambush, what were they going to do, really? You had both Gray and Lancelot with you, and even if your own powers were diminished due to your current inability to wield Truth, you were still on the level of a Servant thanks to your Dragon Core and Rhongomyniad. Of course, Rhongomyniad was the sort of weapon that would almost certainly kill any opponent that it was used upon, and it was... somewhat unwieldy to be used as a weapon without using it's activated effect.

'I heard that.' The voice of Rhongomyniad echoed inside your head as you lamented the unwieldy nature of the lance. Your eyes involuntarily opened wide with surprise at the reminder that she is very much still conscious and sentient within the spear, and it looks like thinking about her has managed to provoke a reaction from the link you share with her. 'Perhaps if you practiced with me more, you'd uncover ways to have me change my form, as the Mystic Code that once contained me did."

'Wait... is that possible?' You try to ask Rhongomyniad for clarification, but the spirit of the spear seemed to have gone quiet, still apparently annoyed at being called unwieldy. What a nuisance, it's not like you could really use her for every situation, it's not like you could solve all of your problems with the magical equivalent of a nuclear bomb, really. Hell, even if you condensed the energy into a fine point instead of a huge explosive blast, it would still prove lethal to whatever you aimed it at thanks to the property of endlessness. A beam that could pierce anything and would perpetually follow its target without fail wasn't... exactly something that you wanted to use on anybody that you weren't absolutely sure was an enemy.

You spent some time waiting around for Flat to return. You thought about making idle conversation with Lancelot, but... it felt too awkward to even make the attempt. The same was true with Gray as well. Idle conversation with somebody who had lost all of their memories and as a direct consequence, their ability to actually talk in any depth about... practically anything felt more like a way for you to make the agonizing wait in the clearing even longer than a way to pass the time.

So you waited. You waited for Flat to return for what felt like an awfully long time, but in truth you were just being impatient. It had been fifteen minutes now, and... Flat didn't return, but... something else happened instead. A clear pathway opened up in the trees before the three of you, and you looked at Gray and Lancelot for a moment before you shrugged. "Looks like they're rolling out the red carpet for us." It occurred to you at that moment that neither Lancelot nor Gray would have any idea as to what you would be referring to, so you just decided to forge on ahead into the pathway that had been opened than wait for whatever confused responses you would've received as a result of the comment.

The path was surprisingly brightly lit, despite the fact that it felt like the trees were growing denser and the canopy above you was getting thicker and thicker, the natural light never seemed to diminish as you kept moving deeper and deeper into the forest. After about five minutes of walking, you realized you had to be near the heart of the forest, the magical energy in the area was so dense that you could almost tangibly feel it across your body. There was no doubt in your mind that whoever this fairy queen was, they were both incredibly powerful, and possibly even the person who would allow you to move on from this world. It was a great burden on your soul that this world would require destruction in order to prevent the destruction of absolutely everything. This world would be destroyed regardless of the outcome, but... at the same time... it felt wrong. Had Manaka intended for you to feel this way? Could this have just been some elaborate scheme to weaken your willpower? Because it wasn't going to work. These worlds... even if you were the one who was responsible for unmaking them... you couldn't allow yourself to be consumed by any form of guilt. This world... this fake of Camelot... it never had a chance.

"I've got a bad feeling about this one." Lancelot frowned as he kept his hand loosely on the sheathe of his apparent ultimate weapon that he had been gifted with. A weapon of such power that he seemed to be hesitant to wield it. You wondered for a brief moment just what it could be that Lancelot was so terrified of the power of the blade. A weapon of greater power than Excalibur, clearly, but... by how much?

"It's not like you to be... jumpy." You still didn't know if it was a good idea to really refer to Lancelot by his name or his class, so you were avoiding doing so. Lancelot was apparently a name that he no longer went by anyway, even if that wasn't going to stop you from referring to him as Lancelot at every given opportunity... at least in your head.

"Years of experience leads you to being... jumpy, when you get yourself involved in situations like this one." Lancelot gave you a quick response, and you frowned. You continued the rest of the walk into the heart of the forest in silence, until you were finally blocked by a tiny winged girl standing in front of a large gate that seemed to have grown entirely out of interlocked tree-branches.

"S-stop! Trespassers! You are... You are entering the Forest Palace of the Majestic Fairy Queen, the true queen of Britain! I'm under strict orders not to let any... humans like you in!" The girl was barely a third your size and her wings were fluttering frantically in order to keep her afloat. In her hands she held a pointy stick.

>"Ah, good thing I'm not a human, I'm obviously a dragon, so is my hooded colleague here, and uh... he's an adoptive fairy."
>"Yeah, I have an appointment. Did you forget to look at the scheduled meetings today? The Queen isn't going to like that."
>"It's urgent. I need to speak with the queen immediately. The fate of reality is at stake!"
>Ignore the fairy and just push your way past her so you can force the doors open.
>Write-in...

>>5013364
Yeah, I have an appointment. Did you forget to look at the scheduled meetings today? The Queen isn't going to like that."

Tip her/him 20 Easter eggs

>>5013381
This, plus pat them on the head.

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>>5013364
>My name is Shinji Makiri a trusted confidant of the fairy queen and I am here to meet with Obeithion. One of her general's Flat Escardos can vouch for me if needs be.
I can't believe fucking Saber gets in but not best girl, I'm kinda pissed.

>>5013364
>"Yeah, I have an appointment. Did you forget to look at the scheduled meetings today? The Queen isn't going to like that."
Lying
Flex that charisma baby!

>>5013748
Oh but think of the LORE anon!
Satsuki can't possibly make an appearance!

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>>5013754
Still not sure why Nasu decided to remake tsukihime like this. Couldn't he just have done the original story with fancy new graphics and maybe a Kagetsu Tohya remaster shoved in there too
Btw if you are still here vore anon could you please write Nasu and Takeuchi being vored by all the characters not in the remake.

>>5013364
>>5013748
support.

>>5013754
>write Nasu and Takeuchi being vored by all the characters not in the remake.
Insert pun the author had to go on haitus after being consumed by their work.

>>5013748
>>5013364
+1

Damn, I'm actually missing Sakurafren and the Nigger
Come home, you schizo bastards

>>5014062
Same. But their absence gives us a chance to write in things too.

>>5014062
Imagine missing the poster that drove away most of the playerbase that's worse than liking batman.

>>5013748
supporting this

>>5013364
>>5013748
Support

>>5013775
>Btw if you are still here vore anon could you please write Nasu and Takeuchi being vored by all the characters not in the remake.
I'd rather have them go after Saber.

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>>5014443
Very nic.
I think I'll write Satsuki first.
Been too long since I last wrote anything.

>>5014463
Based

>>5014353
This really is the funniest H-scene in Tsukihime.

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>>5013364
>>5013748
+1
plus
"You can come with us if you want."
Smol fairies are cute.

>>5013775
Nasu seems to be allergic to just remaking the thing as it was and just adding more shit.

"My name is Shinji Makiri, I'm a trusted confidant of the fairy queen and I am here to meet with Obeithion. If you need assurance that I'm not an enemy, then I would suggest that you get in contact with Flat Escardos, one of the queen's generals." You were working on the assumption that Obeithion was in this forest somewhere as one of the fairies, a few of your other allies seemed to have made their way to this world, so the likelihood of Obeithion also being here was... well it was almost a certainty.

The little fairy suddenly clutched her spear with intent as she looked at you in surprised anger "Obeithion...? You... you can't use that name!" Looks like the very mention of the name of the woman who was once Manaka's incomplete copy of Saber had managed to rile up the tiny fairy.

"Excuse me?" You raised a hand to keep Gray from taking any action against the non-threat. You didn't exactly have much faith in her ability to hold herself back from combat now, the changes wrought upon her by being the host of Rhongomyniad and then the host of thousands of vengeful spirits had transformed her into a bringer of death, and so you needed to ensure that she realized this was not to be a fight. Lancelot didn't seem all that bothered by the presence of the fairy though.

"The name of the fairy queen is one that... that humans like you shouldn't utter! You should... you should refer to her only by her title!" You tilted your head in surprise at the small fairy's commanding tone, before you began to laugh.

Your chuckling gave way to roaring laughter as you flung your head back in unrestricted mirth. "Can't... use it?" You eventually got over your fit of laughter and looked the fairy in the eye, deadly serious. "I gave her that name. Who are you to tell me that I can't use it, fairy?" You had more of a threatening tone than you intended to have in your voice, and the fairy shrunk backwards a little in momentary fear of you.

"You... you're telling me that... you're the Hero of Legend? The one who the queen... speaks of...? The... The Bringer of Hope?" Wait... did Obeithion actually start a legend about you? How long has she even been the queen of this place for? How long had this place even existed for? It hadn't been that long since Arturia was defeated at the battle of Camlann, from what you gathered, but... could the flow of time in this forest be slower...? You had read tales of the fairies being able to mess with time in such a manner in a book at some point, but you had never really gave it much thought.

"Yeah, sure, whatever. Can I see the queen now?" You shrugged as the fairy looked star-struck for some reason.

"I... I was informed by General Escardos that we were to expect an important guest, but... I thought he was talking about one of the remaining fairy lords! Please forgive me for not noticing you were somebody of such great importance!" The gate that blocked your way quickly opened up and the fairy disappeared inside, almost as if she was running away from you.

"What... was that all about?" Lancelot seemed bewildered. "I'm used to fairies being... unpredictable, but... that was just strange." The holy knight didn't look like he knew what to make of the scene of the fairy suddenly fleeing from your presence, or that you were somehow the legendary hero of the fairies... somehow.

"It looks like I'm being expected by somebody." Obeithion must've been awaiting your arrival, to the point she had managed to make the local fairies believe you to be some sort of legendary hero. Well, it was a useful title to have, but... Flat didn't mention anything about that... then again, he wasn't really in that talkative a mood considering that he thought you were the doppelganger that almost killed him. You sighed as you remembered that you were eventually going to need to deal with your own doppelganger. Of course, what sort of being would be the best to put up against somebody who had the capability to overwrite the power of their enemy... than a copy of that person? Though to think that Manaka had reached a point where she was using the power she had stolen from you to do things that you had always considered to be impossible... it was proof that those things were never impossible in the first place, but were instead simply lines that you subconsciously never wanted to cross. Truth was... at the end of the day, a power that could do anything. Yet just because it could do anything, it didn't mean that it should be used as Manaka was using it. Creating entire worlds and duplicates of you... and for what? What could she possibly hope to gain from all this? You wouldn't get your answer till you finally confronted her.

You entered the inner sanctum of the fairies through the gate, and you remarkably didn't see a single fairy on the path. In fact, the forest was dead silent as you continued to walk down the path. You didn't like it, but the path eventually lead you to a large building that had been grown out of the branches of trees, there was no door, so you walked straight inside and saw an empty throne room.

"What's going on? Where is everyone?" Lancelot had his hand on the hilt of his blade.

"I asked them not to interfere with this reunion." A voice echoed from behind you, and you turned to see Obeithion standing in the doorway to the throne room, dressed in a regal white dress with a circlet of platinum atop her head. Her wings fluttered softly as she looked at you. "I was hoping that the one who attacked Flat was a doppelganger... I do not know what I would've done if it had truly been you who had sided with... my creator." She could only be talking about Manaka. "Flat has already told me about what happened during his confrontation with you, and... he also told me that he believed you to be the true version of... well, of yourself, as strange as that might be to say... especially coming from me." Obeithion gave a half-smile as she clearly referred to her own existence as a copy of Saber that had been given true individuality through the power of Truth. "Lancelot. Gray. Please leave us." Lancelot looked at you for a moment and you nodded, and soon you were left along in the room with Obeithion.

"I knew that I'd find you here, Obeithion... look at you! You're a real fairy queen now, aren't you?" You gave the woman a smile, but she only frowned in response to your smile.

"It is... not a role I enjoy. Acting as the queen to the fairies. I... unlike almost every single one of the fairies... I have the ability to comprehend morality... most fairies though... they operate solely off of their own whimsy. I have... had to imprison or execute a great deal of fairies who refused my rule, though for the average fairy, I like to believe that things are better now... my ability to comprehend human morality and emotions... I wish to act as the shining light... an example for fairies to follow, that they can aim for higher than just wishing to follow their base whimsical impulses." Obeithion seemed to have had a hard time ruling the fairies. "I understand why Morgan has acted as she has towards the fairies... that woman... she is not unlike me. A fairy born with the emotional capacity of a human... perhaps that is why she resents fairies so much." Obeithion walked over to her throne and collapsed into it.

"I... had no idea... that you would be forced to take such actions..." You had no idea just how you were supposed to respond to Obeithion's story, but she just sadly shook her head.

"Do not worry. I have waited for your arrival for almost fifty years within this forest. My creator... she can manipulate time as she wishes now. I am still... linked to her, in my own way. I'm one of her creations, after all, yet one who was freed from her. That's why I know of how powerful she has become."

"Then... in that case... if she has all the time that she needs, then why the hell has she not gone through with whatever her ultimate goal is already? It's obvious that nobody can stop her as she is now! Not even me!" As arrogant as that sounded, it wasn't wrong to refer to yourself as about the only person who might have a shot at stopping Manaka as she existed now. Truth as a power was infallible and irresistible, especially in the hands of somebody who had no compunctions about using the full strength of the power, even at threat to the fabric of reality itself.

"It's... because of you. You may already be aware, but... she has linked her power to you. Though it may feel like Truth has been stolen from you... that is not the case. I have had long to ponder the reason, and I came to a conclusion as to how my creator has gained your power..." She looked deep into your eyes. "You share a link with her. She has connected herself to you... you may have found yourself unable to wield your power... but that doesn't mean that it is gone... it is more that my creator... that she is siphoning your power from you at every moment. This requires you to be conscious... and crucially, it also means that her time is also linked to your own. For anybody else, she could make it so an eternity passes for them in a second, but... she is incapable of altering your time. Time can only move forwards for Manaka Sajyou, when the origin of her power moves forwards.

"Origin of her power...? But... isn't that supposed to be the Root?" You knew that she was using your power, but... you hadn't expected this.

"You are correct. That was the case before, but... the Root is a perfect record of all that is native to this reality. Everything that has happened, can happen and will happen... she has always had access to that record. But... that is why she needs you... you are an existence that even the Root cannot truly record. Your true existence comes from outside this reality and exists on a higher dimension than anything of this reality.

"How... how do you know all of this?"

"I already told you, I've had half a century to ponder on this. I've had half a century to figure out my powers, and of my connection to my creator and... to you. Thanks to you, I am the incarnated form of Hope itself. You filled the empty vessel that was the copy that my Creator formed with a new purpose. I had no purpose at the time, I was simply an empty vessel to be commanded, but... being infused with the concept of Hope... it changed me. My purposeless existence was obliterated by your power, and I found myself with a new goal." She looked to the ceiling. "This world... it's impossible to save this world. But... it's not impossible to save the memory of this place... however... in doing so... in saving this world, created by Manaka's theft of your power... you will need to track down the incarnated form of one of the stolen fractions of your power and..." She sighed. "Destroy it."

"Destroy it? Is that any different from what I'm currently planning on doing?" This sounded kind of like a win-win situation for you, if you were going to be honest.

"Yes. In destroying the incarnated form of your stolen power... you will infuse that power into this world. It will allow for the continued indefinite existence of this world... but you will never be able to reclaim that part of your power... the alternative is to absorb the power of Truth back into yourself after besting it, and... in doing so, you would have more power to face off against Manaka with. Either way... Manaka is weakened, but... you might not have enough power to defeat her if you do this." Obeithion, having grown into her role as the embodiment of hope, had managed to kindle a fire in your soul. But... was it truly worth the risk if it weakened you enough to cause you to be unable to stop Manaka?

>"I'll do it. Even if it means I'll lose my power."
>"I can't... I can't risk everything for the sake of this world."
>"Actually, I've got a few questions."
>"What... what about Morgan? Haven't you spoken to her about this?"
>Write-in...

>>5016136
I'll do it

>>5016136
>"I'll do it. Even if it means I'll lose my power."
Time to pull a Shirou and save everyone.

>>5016136
"To be the ultimate Saverchad, you have to permanently depower yourself to keep these worlds alive."
BUT WAIT
MANAKA'S POWER IS TIED TO OURS
If we infuse Truth into these worlds to keep them existing indefinitely... then not only will we not be able to get it back... but Manaka will not either...

>>5016136
>"I'll do it. Even if it means I'll lose my power."

>>5016140
>>5016142
>>5016149
should we ask her about >>5016143? could be the way to cuck Manaka while we still have everybody else Concepted, plus our daughter still has Truth

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>>5016136
>"I can't... I can't risk everything for the sake of this world."
Morgan told us destroying this world is necessary when she shot down Shinji's self-sacrificing stupidity. We recruited Lancelot based on the premise that destroying this world was necessary, with God himself asking him to help us in that grim task and earn a hollow redemption. Besides, Shinji has always viewed NPCs as literally subhuman. Just yesterday we were more than willing to write Fuyuki off and let it burn if it proved necessary to defeat Manaka and save the people we love. And Fuyuki is our home. Why do we insist so much on risking everything for the sake of strangers that didn't even exist a few hours ago from our perspective? We used to try and discourage Shirou from adopting this stupid "try to save everyone at any cost" mentality. Why did we suddenly decide to turn Shinji into Shirou at his most retarded?

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>>5016252
+1
We are not shirou. We should have not gone along with niggerman's plot to save everyone and everything. The inhabitants of this world and others (beside named characters) don't matter, the sooner people come to understand that the better we will be off in our fight against Manaka.
I still want to go for the Saverchad Shinji route but not like this.

>>5016143
>>5016150
seconding this, we should see if we can even the footing a bit by helping out the fairies here. If we can deny Manaka power and save pseudo lostbelts, we should be able to rally the npcs here for our cause

>>5016252
Bc we have a soul

>>5016136
>>5016252
supporting for now.
While we'd be denying her the use of our power it does nothing about what she already had. As established fey are a mixed bag of assorted dicks and aside from keeping the fairy knights and Ruler Lancelot we haven't seen anyone worth saving.

>>5016298
>aside from keeping the fairy knights and Ruler Lancelot we haven't seen anyone worth saving
The Fairy Knights here are fakers and Rulesalot is on an a Christian Suicide Quest. We can't save them.
The only reason I can think of to keep this place is that Obeithion's Mastery of Self deal might end when this place dies.

>>5016302
Another reason to save this place is that saving it will decrease our power level and re-balance us a little, because we are fucking broken as shit right now.

>>5016305
>re-balance us
Considered this too and really only reason I can think of to support it right now.
My outlook is like this; sure we save it but what then? It took Obetheon 50 years of mass purges to get the fey to be almost respectable. Assuming everything goes well with Manaka are we planning to take responsibility for it, leave some of our followers to keep it in line or just leave it and hope for the best, top of that unless we skip straight to the Manaka fight there we're likely going to see more worlds before this is over, how much of our power can we sacrifice before we can't even take care of them, let alone deal with Manaka?

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>>5016305
>Another reason to save this place is that saving it will decrease our power level and re-balance us a little, because we are fucking broken as shit right now.
Isn't this being a power fantasy the whole point? When the idea of this quest was tossed around on the shinji isekai threads on /a/ did we not discuss the idea of obtaining a magical core from the
dragon of colchis? and how'd we would exploit our meta knowledge to become overpowered and shit.
>Another reason to save this place is that saving it will decrease our power level
I Shiggy diggy

>>5016252
+1
we have a reality to save
and this place is only one small part of it

>>5016136
>>5016252
Support. We can't save everyone.

>>5016252
Support. We need all the power we have access to to defeat Manaka and save reality.

>>5016270
Are we going to have an eyeopening experience with all this? Shinji learns that his suicidal retarded Shirou-style Saverchad route is dumb and wrong, and develops better as a protagonist? Are we going to go off the rails niggerman and the sakurabitch have put us on?

>>5016282
>we should be able to rally the npcs here for our cause
Have you forgotten how this Manaka paged the other Manaka and her upgraded Servants? The NPCs here won't be of much use for our cause.

>>5016305
>we are fucking broken as shit right now.
I agree, but I expect we'll have to permanently sacrifice Truth in order to defeat Manaka and save those who are actually important. But it will be a more meaningful sacrifice than this, and it wouldn't be an IC decision to reduce our power just to reduce our power.

>>5016320
>sure we save it but what then?
All valid points, and one more to consider: What happens to Obeithion, Morgan, Flat and our other friends if this world is stabilized? They are not natives, but they are necessary for this world to function smoothly. Will they have to abandon our world and stay here permanently? And will that be the case in the rest of the dreamworlds too?

>>5016324
>did we not discuss the idea of obtaining a magical core from the
>dragon of colchis? and how'd we would exploit our meta knowledge to become overpowered and shit.
Yes, the Dragon Core, the Reality Marble and the metaknowledge were some of the core ideas from the /a/ threads. But things have gotten way, way out of hand. There's a difference between power and UNLIMITED POWER.

>>5016694
>Are we going to go off the rails niggerman and the sakurabitch have put us on?
Me? What are you talking about anon?

>>5016736
I started touching on it but got lost in editing, on one hand dimensional feudatories gives us more options for 'map painting' but its not like we ooc don't already know we can make our own and on top of what you already said once we leave will we or the people we leave here even be able to come and go after we depower and continue to depower ourselves.
After giving a night to think on less I like it, sure we might get an army of npcs but by giving up our power to save these worlds would just leave us dealing with Manaka's original powerset when Obetheon confirmed truth has been our only means of resisting time/space shenanigans. It'd be one thing if we in character knew if there was something to make it worth it, but as is it just feels like we'd just end up repeating Ishtar's descent into Kur.

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>>5016136
>"Actually, I've got a few questions."
>ask to fairy saber what she thinks if because manaka's truth bullshit is tied to us she also would be depowered if we saved this world
>ask if she has any way to at least save some individuals
because fuck 99% of the fae
>hug her
We can give a definitive answer after that, >>5016143 raises a good point.
Lets not jump to conclusions and ask.

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>>5016736
>There's a difference between power and UNLIMITED POWER.
Yeah i concede that point. I didn't mean to say power fantasy I ment more a general overpoweredness so we wouldn't be comparatively useless without our allies, but this has kind of gotten out of hand.

>>5016694
>Shinji learns that his suicidal retarded Shirou-style Saverchad route is dumb and wrong
Maybe. I can't help but like SaverChad Shinji when it comes to our friends and named characters but I don't think we ever should have gone full retard(read Shirou) and tried to save fucking everyone by stuffing them inside of Ron like we did a couple of threads agoEnglish

>Are we going to go off the rails niggerman and the sakurabitch have put us on?
??? I don't really recall Sakurafren trying to rail us on anything but monogamy Which I agree with him on. Niggerman I can understand. But his write ins seemed like the best way to go up until recently.

Pic related sums up what we should have done

>>5016136
>>5016142
Supporting both of these >>5016252 actually.

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>>5017026
Fucked up my post. Meant to (YOU) >>5016893 in the post as wel

>>5016136
>"I can't... I can't risk everything for the sake of this world."

Fuck.

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>Hey Shinji, just checking up on you. You're still keeping the ideals of a savior of waifus, right?

>>5017147
No, fuck everything we stand for apparently.

>>5016136
supporting >>5016252

Disregard women
Obtain power

fuck braindead savior complex

>>5017147
We should try to save some people, but not everyone.

So many 1 post id votes.

>>5017207
In my defense the recent arc has been kinda boring and I didn't feel the need to vote on anything that isn't major.

>>5017147
>Hey Shirou. Remember how I kept telling you not to throw away your life for the sake of strangers? How you ended up engaged to your single waifu and reunited with your family who kept telling you the same thing? I apparently forgot that lesson for a little bit. Sorry pal.

>>5017207
It's not the first vote this has happened, and this one has some actual discussion instead of just 1-post ids +1ing. I'd like to think it's lurkers breaking their silence to show their preference for a less retarded direction.

>>5016893
Support ask questions before action

>>5017207
This >>5017231 and sakurafren is right with this >>5017318

I miss Wormpa.

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>>5017427
I too miss grandpa's wild ride

>>5017427
I miss all the people we left behind.

>>5017147
People just follow whoever is the loudest namefag they think is correct right now. If the nigger ever returns you just know we'll be back being trying to save everybody.

>>5017427
I miss sakura

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>>5017494
So do I anon. I would have been worried about her if we hadn't seen her reject Manaka's offer. And it's completely our fault there was even a temptation at all.

I hope we see her in the next dreamworld, whatever that may be.

>>5017427
in our greatest hour of need, wormpa will emerge from the void as Chad ZOLGEN and worm Manaka into submission

i miss illya and our daughters.
I wonder if our blood related children will have something to play against manaka, our dragon daughter can use truth to some extent.

>>5017754
Isn't she the purest form of truth since she's a creature purely born from it?

>>5017776
I guess? Did medea gave anything of her genetics to her? I forgot.

>>5017789
Thought she did but I thought Whatis mentioned several times about how pure her truth was

>>5017789
Alitheia was born from a magical ritual involving our blood, Medea's magic, and the Colchis dragon. Genetics didn't really play a part.

But it is certainly possible Alitheia will play a part. Her mastery of Truth is second only to our own, with far more destructive potential, and limited mostly by her age (literally 2 days old) and her mentality (she wields Truth, but doesn't know THE Truth and that's for the best).

Other than Alitheia, Ourobora was also born through Truth, if not from it, and her powers are completely unknown to us. And Sakura and Medea both carry our children, the children of Truth. That might have been what saved Sakura from getting paged when she encountered and steadfastly rejected Manaka.

>>5016893
I can support asking questions though I'd still prefer not to make any promises to save fairyland at the moment. A lot can happen between now and when we take out the fake and I'd rather if we end up changing our mind based on new information than to make promises and pull out at the last minute, again.

>>5017973
I just want to ask to make a choice knowing as much as possible.
I dont want to save all the place, only the most decent people.

I wonder how our good friend Ǹ̸̹ỷ̸̠a̴̩͆r̷̘̔l̷̩͠a̸̖͠t̸̒h̸̖̊o̷̪͘ṯ̶͐e̷̹̊p̶̺̀ is.

>>5018218
probably screaming into the uncaring void about how much of a dumbass we are

>>5018097
I am normally all for asking questions, but not this time. We wasted our time with Morgan pursuing this train of thought and she had to kick us out before she could tell us what we actually needed to know. But she did tell us the natives couldn't be saved and our friends would be safe. Lancelot, and God through him, also told us there was no other way. We don't have unlimited time here. Manaka might decide to interfere at any moment, and even if she doesn't, she is writing her book as we speak. We'll be completely fucked if she finishes. We can't afford to waste more time. We asked Lancelot if he was prepared to do what needs to be done. He gave us the answer. The sooner we accept it ourselves the better.

>>5018229
Its just 2 questions, we lost more time just waiting to get here.

dead quest

>>5018270
I don't think it's going to be a huge disaster if we do ask those questions, but there is a cost to them and we need to be aware of it.

>>5018271
True

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>>5018271
Not exactly dead, just very slow at the moment. If this quest truly WERE dead I don’t think WhatIs is enough of a pussy to kill it without either declaring it dead or making up some bullshit for an ending.

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Reminder that onis would have solved this in one update.

>>5016136
>"I'll do it. Even if it means I'll lose my power."

>>5018650
This is nothing, i had a QM take a break of 2 years.

>>5018679
secret Mt. Ooe ending

>>5018679
Now i'm hoping we get oni vs fairy by the end of this.

>>5018271
don't you start this shit again batmong.

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>>5018650
Manaka died from a massive undetected blood clot in the brain.
The world is saved and we have a pantheon of children with our various wives, becoming gods of the new age

>>5018892
I want Shinji to knock up Shuten already

>>5018650

>Shinji, inspired by Manaka's actions, creates a series of lost belts held down by a clone of himself in order to satisfy each member of the harem.
>Mind of Coom Ending

Had to get it out of mine.

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>>5019119
>clones
>not just learning and mastering time magic/magicraft so you can have time to satisfy every wife every day and still have time to play with the kids and bully BB

>>5019048
Not him

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Today I will remind them

>>5019269
WhatIs just isn't ready to accept that Shinji has the sexual potency of Chinggis Khan and will have a harem to rival that of Chinese emperors.
Besides, Nero agreed to help with harem management.

>>5019269
Unironically should have gone along with Zouken back then.

>>5019269
Shinji is a chad. his true potential unrealized. He can handle it.

>>5019269
Besides we can always just instate her headwife anyways, after going through this manaka bullshit. Its not like Sakura is gonna refuse.

>>5019483
We should have done that in the first place.

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>>5019272
>This almost certainly either ends in heartbreak or a battle royale at this point.

>>5019483
I hope you're right, and that the next time goes better than the last.

>>5019526
Yes anon. We really should have.

>>5019596
>>5019526
At least we know our mistakes, and that we ourselves are only human.

>>5019269
I'd almost forgotten how much of a shit show the whole harem thing was.

The only people against harems are people who never experienced one.

>>5019613
>The only people for harems are people who never experienced one.
Fixed

>>5019616
Virgin

>>5019626
Projection

>>5019667
Rho Aias

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>>5019673

"I... I can't Obeithion." You felt your heart harden slightly as you refused the possibility to save this world. As much as it pained you, you... couldn't do it. "I can't risk everything for the sake of one world. Even if that... makes me a heartless monster. I can't take the risk of becoming too weak to stop Manaka in the first place. Even if this world will have to be sacrificed for that... if I fall against Manaka... then it becomes meaningless what is saved before that point." It was a heartbreaking decision to make. Though you had managed to convince yourself that the normal person on the street was an irrelevant nobody, a form of life not much greater than an actual NPC... you had slowly found yourself losing that mindset with the more attached you grew to the people around you. You would of course always prioritize those that you loved over those that you didn't know, but... even that affection had a limit to it. That you were consigning so many to oblivion to help ensure the continued existence of those that you cared about was... a difficult choice to make. Especially when there was an alternative being offered to you.

A long moment of silence passes as Obeithion gives you a scrutinizing look, almost as if judging you for the sins you have committed in deciding that you couldn't save this world, but after a few seconds of her looking at you as if she was looking into your very soul, she smiled warmly and nodded her head. "I see... it is... unfortunate. But... even after all this time... I cannot stop myself from optimistically hoping for the best outcome for all that occurs... I am the personification of Hope, after all." She sounded a little bit disappointed, though there was clear understanding in her voice as well. "You are right. Sacrificing your own power would prove to be a worthless decision if you end up sacrificing it only to create a world that is doomed regardless of what happens... but even so... it will sadden me to see this world disappear. I have... not had a great time in this world. My time here was filled with hardship and hard choices. Of being called a traitor by some of my own kind before I executed them with my blade. Of waiting for you to finally appear in this world to bring me liberation... Despite all this... I seem to have grown attached." The faint smile on her face faltered a little bit, and her eyes started to gloss over.

"Obeithion... you..." You reach a hand out to try to touch the girl, but she takes a step backwards, her sad expression not faltering. This really wasn't making things easier on you, and though you knew that Obeithion wasn't trying any sort of emotional blackmail or something like that, it was hard not to already regret the choice that you had made. As illogical as the alternative would be, seeing Obeithion like this caused your heart to swell with pain. You wanted to be able to save everyone, but... it simply wasn't possible. You had always known that. Deep down, you had always known that the dream of being able to save everyone was impossible for a human to achieve.

"I'm fine. If this place is to disappear, then I would rather recall it as a fond memory than dwell on it any further... the destiny of all dreams is to one day disappear, is it not?" She shook her head, and her sorrow seemed to vanish. "I will simply treat this place as a... long dream. I... I do not belong in this world, it is not my duty to serve this... fake world." She seemed to be trying to convince herself that what you were doing was morally right, and this time, when you put a hand on her arm, she didn't shrink back.

"Obeithion... this... this isn't a righteous thing. This is... wrong. We both know that allowing this world to disappear is wrong, but... we can't defeat Manaka without making sacrifices. Do you really think I want to live with the knowledge that billions of people are dead... no, that billions of people simply no longer exist because I was worried?" You give her your own pained smile now. "But... at the same time, I can't risk it. I can't risk letting everyone I care about disappear just to save this world. I need to reclaim my power, Obeithion... what if Manaka purposely set this up?" It was a bizarre thought that you had, but... you couldn't discount it.

"What...?" Obeithion sounded shocked by your suggestion, as if she hadn't even considered it.

"What if Manaka purposely set this up for the sake of me discarding my own power. This world... this world is a world she created, isn't it?" You already knew that it was, so the question was more for confirmation than anything.

"I... well... yes, that's true, but..." Obeithion confirmed that which you already knew, but you didn't allow her the time to keep talking.

"Who's to say that your theory about using Truth to make this world a real world is correct? I know that you have been here for an awfully long time, and you were receiving information through your link to Manaka, but... how do you know that what information you ended up receiving wasn't a purposeful choice by Manaka herself? How... how do you know that she isn't simply tricking us both into having me slay one of these... Manifestations of Truth so that their power can be absorbed by this world... by this world that she created? What if she was simply counting on me surrendering that power to this world so that she could claim it for herself?" It was a dark thought, but... Manaka had shown herself to be cunning when she wanted to be. You couldn't discount that this was all part of her plan. Perhaps she was incapable of slaying these Manifestations herself, and was hoping to trick you into doing it for her? If that was the case, then it really was a genius plan. To attempt to exploit your weaknesses so that she got her own way.

"That... no... that can't be... she... she couldn't have tricked me like that! She... she couldn't have... could she?" Obeithion once again sounded legitimately stunned by your theory, as if she had never stopped to consider the possibility that perhaps slaying the Manifestation of Truth of this world could be a bad idea.

"I don't know. In fact, we might never know. It's just something to think about." It was mostly just you trying to think of a reason that would make you not feel so bad about allowing this world to be erased. Whether it was true or not... it didn't really matter to you. At the end of the day, you had a job to do, and you couldn't afford to fall into any of Manaka's traps, no matter how cleverly they might have been set up to deceive you. In truth, there was no telling if this was a trap or not, but... it sounded more suspicious by the moment when you thought about it. In fact, this could even have been Manaka's way to claim Truth for herself for real by having you renounce the power to save her creations. Could she really be that ruthlessly manipulative...?

"Well... if that is the case, then there is no question. You must reclaim the Manifestation of Truth of this world for yourself. We... cannot afford to take the chance that this isn't some elaborate scheme by my original creator." Obeithion seemed to have been convinced by your observations, though there was no concrete evidence about them, it wasn't something that could be risked at all now. "Now... do you feel ready to confront the manifestation yet? Myself, Flat and Lu Bu will assist you, but... there is another person who... may be of some use." Obeithion asked a question, and you looked at her for a moment before responding.

>"I think we're ready."
>"Another person? Who are you talking about?"
>"Actually, I wanted to go and get Morgan's assistance too, now that you're on board."
>Write-in...

>>5019702

>"I think we're ready

>>5019702
>"Another person? Who are you talking about?"

>>5019702
>"Another person? Who are you talking about?"

>>5019702
>>"Another person? Who are you talking about?"

>>5019702
>"Another person? Who are you talking about?"

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>>5019702
>Ask Obeithion if she is still Sakura's Servant. Is she still linked to her Master, like she is linked to Manaka? Can she tell you what happened to her?
>"Another person? Who are you talking about?"

We were unable to contact Medea, but Obeithion is special. She might be able to tell us something about her Master. That other person is almost certainly Timechad Mordred. She wouldn't be on board Morgan's plot to pretend to serve Manaka, and we could use her help now. I wonder why Obeithion seems reluctant to contact her.

And Morgan warned us that Manaka created these worlds specifically as a trap for us. She didn't have time to elaborate before she had to kick us out, but the trap is now obvious, just like Shinji thinks.

>>5019702
>>5019718
>>5019744
Switch. Why not?

>>5019702
>>"Another person? Who are you talking about?"

>>5019702
>"Another person? Who are you talking about?"
>"also, do you know any way of maybe saving individual people? My spear gave me one idea already but if you have another it would be very helpful"
>headpat her if possible

Right, now i feel bad.
I hope we don't make the wrong choice, one of the points of FGO part 2 is all about if destroying the lostbelts is even the "right" choice.

>>5019702
"I think we're ready."

>>5019702
>>5019744
support.

>>5019774
Tbh I said before but I look at it like this, I don't think Whatis is going to lock us into a decision without a vote later over the vote here and we're still missing a hard confirmation on what Manaka created these worlds for. If we said we were going to save it and end up backing out and deleting, it would've been worse than if we never promised. Meanwhile if circumstances lead to us changing our minds it won't do nearly as much harm to our relationships.
For now just hope a new option becomes available.

>>5019703
>>5019708
>>5019718
>>5019720
>>5019740
>>5019744
>>5019757
>>5019771
>>5019774
>>5019775
>>5019813
Reminder Obeithion is
>initially a creation of Manaka
>was altered by Truth to be her own person
>is on our side in all this
>yet still connected to Manaka
>able to receive "information" from Manaka, which may or may not be true
>has a cruicial figurehead/leadership position in this world fabricated by Manaka

Now consider the following ideas, as building on these prior facts:

>IF any (creation of Manaka) can (receive infomation from Manaka)
>THEN does (being directly hijacked or fed false stimuli to cause the creation of Manaka to sabotage us) be considered a form of (receiving information from Manaka)?

>IF (Obeithion) is a (creation of Manaka)
>AND is (altered by Truth)
>AND is (on our side)
>AND can (receive information from Manaka)
>THEN which other individuals (on our side) fit these stated criteria?
>AND who we can reasonably expect to encounter in the next worlds to come?
>AND what are the possibilities of them having a crucial figurehead/leadership in these worlds to come?

>IF any (creation of Manaka) can (receive infomation from Manaka)
>THEN can any (creation of Manaka) reverse this process somehow, such that Manaka is the one actively receiving information that may or may not be true?
>AND can they siphon Manaka's power back through that connection?

>IF any (creation of Manaka) and (Manaka) are connected
>SUCH THAT a (creation of Manaka) can (receive information from Manaka)
>AND this applies to any (creation of Manaka) that has been (altered by Truth)
>THEN can Manaka siphon Truth from her creations that we altered
>SUCH THAT any alterations we did to these people gets undone or worse?
>OR can they siphon Truth back from Manaka via this connection?

>>5019907
Thats very good questions.

>>5019907
Hi, I'm really stupid. Please dumb this down to down's syndrome levels pls.

>>5019907
I'll give you a (You) for your effort.

>>5019702
>>5019744
Support

>>5019775
Based

>>5019940
Looks halfway to programming code for me, but it sounds like bot-anon is saying:

If Obetheon can receive information from Manaka, can she be given false information or possessed by Manaka through her former connection.

Whether this also applies to our companions who were also modified by both us and Manaka (Shuten, Monica, etc) and if we can predict future worlds by the assumption they might've ended up in similar leadership roles too.

If they are on our side can these companions feed Manaka false information/steal power from Manaka like she's doing to us (hers or ours), or if Manaka can siphon Truth from them like she's doing to us and undue the concepts we applied to them.

If i'm reading right got to give credit, they're very good questions i'm surprised haven't really been brought up sooner.

>>5020482
I feel like manaka can't suck out the truth of the people we changed, if so she would already have done that.
But i may be wrong.
I wonder how would the "give manaka wrong info" would work.

>>5020482
very based.
However, I'm a little wary of this idea for one main reason.
In the event that we can feed false info to Manaka through a proxy, would opening that channel also open the proxy up to possession or subconscious suggestion by Manaka?

>>5020482
Thanks for clearing up my post for me, whoever you are.

>>5020933
Consider:
If what Obeithion knows about the Manifestation of Truth that we need to confront is a lie
And killing it is what Manaka wants us to do to successfully steal that part of our power, as Shinji pointed out IC
Then doesn't that mean that this "channel" allowing possession or subconscious suggestion by Manaka, between Manaka and Obeithion, is already open?
And if it is, why aren't we trying to exploit or counter that?

>>5020955
If the channel is open, then could we potentially steal some truth back from Manaka, or would that be too risky for Obeithion?

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>>5019702
>>5019744
+1
We've finally done it, we have achieved something once thought impossible, we have become a Manaka Schizo.

>>5021278
Hey that pic is all me

>>5021278
Manaka schizos being proven right will never not be funny.

I wonder what happened to the anon who made that meme. Not everything is applicable anymore, but it shows that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

>>5020948
No problem mate, you had a good point and if I was off base on anything blame the translator.
The important thing to consider is if this channel is still open/whether she is able to reopen it and whether it's one way or two way/to what degree. Truth should insulate them to some degree since it's established to be the only thing that protects us from her powers but the longer we take the more time she'll have to find a workaround since we do know she's able to directly interact with our companions to try and bait those she didn't influence before we concepted them through Sakura and Morgan, esp if she's capable of draining it like you speculate.

>>5021351
To be fair she's a better alternative than the ghost of grandpa trying to tempt coomers to "Use the worm."

>>5021333
>>5021278
Middle post is me

>>5020976
If it does exist it's debatable whether were better off cutting it off again or risk it without something to protect against it, assuming any of this is legit i'd prefer to hold off until we recover more of our power to do anything like reversing it rather than hope the tinfoil can block the M-Waves.

"Obeithion... are you... still Sakura's Servant? Are you still linked to your original Master, as you maintain a link to Manaka?" You had a brief spark of hope, but it was rapidly extinguished by Obeithion sadly shaking her head. Of course it wasn't going to be that easy. If you actually had Sakura by your side with all of her power, then you had no doubt that even defeating a manifested form of your power would be possible. You weren't going to doubt the power that she held... but at the same time, you couldn't help but feel worried about her.

"Sadly not. The links held between Servants and Master who were separated were cut, and those who found themselves in these worlds without their Masters... have been provided with the energy they require to continue their existence by the world itself." Obeithion revealed, her tone not betraying any emotion anymore. She was clearly trying to operate without showing her true emotions on things, emulating how the once stoic Saber Alter acted. Though there was of course a maelstrom of emotions whirling just beneath the serene surface.

"By the world itself...?" It sounded strange, as these worlds had been created by Manaka, it could only mean one thing. For whatever reason, Manaka had deemed to let your Servant allies continue existing, when it would've been as simple as just allowing them to disappear without a Master if she was truly trying to kill them. "But... why? Wouldn't it make more sense if Manaka just allowed my allies to disappear? Why would she go out of her way to prevent them from disappearing?"

"I... cannot say. Perhaps she sees more worth in them remaining alive? She certainly doesn't see any sort of Servant as a threat to her at this point... or perhaps the worlds of her creation are simply dense enough in magical energy that a being such as myself can survive comfortably without any difficulty." Obeithion shook her head. "It is best not to dwell on the methods of one who has disregarded her sanity. She is cunning and ruthless, true... but at the same time, she acts almost as if... she is sabotaging herself." She said in an uncertain tone, as if she wasn't certain of her own words.

"Why would you say that?" Regardless of how uncertain she might've been, you still wanted to know where this feeling was coming from.

"It's difficult to say, but... I am aware of just how much power that she holds. She could spread a great shadow over everything within these worlds of her creation and corrupt their very minds to serve only her." Obeithion looks up at the sky. "Only those who had already been granted a fragment of Truth would be able to resist her now, but... instead of doing that, she installed Morgan as the ruler of this place... and what's more, she even gave Morgan tremendous power to wield for herself."

"So what are you getting at?" You pushed Obeithion to explain further, and it was clear that she felt some indescribable emotions towards Manaka, an emotion floating in the void between admiration for her creator and hatred for the bringer of her ruination. Manaka and Obeithion's relationship was... odd, to say the least. The twisted relationship between a creator who didn't care and a creation who resented what the creator had intended for them.

"I believe that for as insane and destructive that my Creator may act... there is a tiny sliver of her soul that still yearns for the light." She seemed genuinely upset as she spoke about Manaka, was she equating the shortsightedness of Manaka for mercy? Or some desire to lose? Could... that really be the case? You didn't want to believe it.

"You've got to be kidding. How could you believe that?" You find yourself baffled by Obeithion's apparent belief in Manaka, even though she had gone through so much as a direct result of Manaka's actions, that she had any belief in Manaka having a better side was... incredible. You had been operating under the premise that there were two Manaka opposed with one another. A 'Good' Manaka, and an 'Evil' Manaka, but... it probably wasn't as clear-cut as that anymore. Not least because the 'Good' Manaka had almost certainly met her end at the hand of her counterpart.

"I am the manifestation of Hope. If I do not believe these things, who shall? I regret that I am... unable to avoid seeing the best in people, or trying to find it, if it doesn't seem to exist..." She looks away, almost shamefully. "It is but... a sincere wish of mine, that my Creator isn't totally stained with evil, as terrible as she might seem... she may very well have created these worlds to try to break your spirit, but... there was no reason for her not to have had everyone you cared about simply... disappear, was there?"

"If her aim is to emotionally destroy me, then she wouldn't want me to become driven by revenge. Even she should be intelligent enough to realize that much." You crossed your arms, unconvinced by Obeithion's ideas about Manaka. You wouldn't know what she was truly after until you actually had the chance to confront her without any deception.

"Maybe..." Obeithion didn't sound as if she was going to argue any further, but she did give you a few things to think about. First though, there was something else you needed to ask anyway.

"So... who exactly are you talking about when you mention this other person?" You were of course interested in knowing who Obeithion was talking about, and she smiled weakly.

"How would you feel about..." She looked away guiltily, trying not to make eye contact until she took a deep breath and continued. "...rescuing Merlin from Avalon?" Her expression betrayed nothing, but you almost felt as if there was a tinge of amusement in her eyes.

>"Well, that certainly wasn't what I was expecting. Sure."
>"Pass."
>"Aren't you the Fairy Queen? Can't you enter Avalon easily?"
>Write-in...

>>5021642
>"Well, that certainly wasn't what I was expecting. Sure."
>"Aren't you the Fairy Queen? Can't you enter Avalon easily?"
>"What about your big sister Mordred? Isn't she here too?"

Merlin? That certainly wasn't what I was expecting, but the futamancer's help will be invaluable. He'll have to do. We could really use Mordred's help too, if Obeithion knows where she is.

It was a long-shot to ask her about Sakura, but we still learned something invaluable. All contracts being severed between Masters and Servants in different dreamworlds is big. Flat with Lu Bu and Shirou with Artoria are the only pairs we know for sure haven't been severed. And Manaka's actions really are strange. Eliminating those who Shinji cares about and then offering to bring them back if he works with her would have been the obvious play for her. Did we really figure out her only trap? I imagine she'd have more aces up her sleeve.

Shinji is right to worry about Sakura too. Obeithion spent 50 years here. For all he knows, Sakura might be 80 years old when he next sees her, having spent her entire life alone waiting for the love of her life to come back to her. Manaka knows about HF Normal now, after all.

I'm pretty sure WhatIs and the Code Geass QM are the same person they take breaks on the same day they also post their updates on the same day.

>>5021756
What is this schizobabble?
Everyone knows that I'm actually secretly Sweets-Loving QM.

>>5021641
Pass

>>5021642
>>5021741
Support, longshot but should we also ask if she knows if its our Merlin or this world's Merlin? If so then people who hate the futamancer will at least get front row seats to one version of him being erased.

>Sakura
Between being concepted with nullification, indomitability and becoming the host of Tiamat, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if she was immune to Manaka's time fuckery like us or simply stopped aging when she became an immortal milf, but robbing us of 65 years together would still be unforgivable wouldn't it?
Somewhat more concerned about our other companions like Waver and Shiki who shouldn't have something that makes them immortal and would get screwed by timejumps.

>>5021741
>"What about your big sister Mordred? Isn't she here too?"
it's time to link back up with Time Cop Mordred. May as well try to recollect our faction while we bumble through.

>>5021642
>>"Pass."
Time is short. we dont need no gaywizard

>>5021642
>>5021741
Support

>>5021642
Pass

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>>5021969
>that name
Very based.

>>5021642
>>5021741
+1
and
>hug her

Come on, merlin is useful, even more now that we told him he can just feel for himself, maybe.

>>5021874
>but robbing us of 65 years together would still be unforgivable wouldn't it?
Yes, it would be. But Sakura is the one Shinji loves the most, so if Manaka really wanted to hurt him that's where she would strike. Not at Shiki and Waver. And she could do a lot of damage if she really wanted, even without killing anyone. Rob us of a lifetime with Sakura, age up our daughters into adulthood and beyond, etc. I can think of two explanations for why she hasn't:
A) She can't. Her control over Truth is more precarious than we had assumed. She was able to accelerate Obeithion's time only because Obeithion is one of her creations, and that affords her more control than with the people from our world.
B) She doesn't want to. As you said, it would be unforgivable, which means she still plans on trying to convince us to help her. But what will be her pitch? She was omniscient even before she learned the Truth, so she has to know apotheosis doesn't interest us. We have already rejected Nyarly's offer. What can she possibly say to try and convince us if she doesn't go for the obvious blackmail?

I suppose we'll have to wait and see. We don't have enough pieces of the puzzle yet. Merlin might know more. Otherwise, getting to the second dreamworld will give us more info to speculate with.

>>5022103
Don't get me wrong I agree with you here, I'm just saying that I'm still a bit concerned that our companions we didn't concept will either end up like the temple raid party if we take too long or get screwed by the time shenanigans whether out of malice, carelessness or apathy. Even if it's unlikely if WhatIs would offscreen a bunch of our companions just because they had the misfortune of not being immortal or able to control their aging.
It's still too early to say whether she wants us to work with her or out of the picture, to usurp our power, or to just make us waste our time until she accomplishes whatever her goal with these worlds is. Either way I'm looking forward to seeing where things go from here and how anons will answer this situation.

>>5022132
>It's still too early to say whether she wants us to work with her or out of the picture, to usurp our power, or to just make us waste our time until she accomplishes whatever her goal with these worlds is.
I think the answer is "all of the above". Nyarly told us that reality would get destabilized when she began writing her book, as it happened, and she would reach apotheosis when she finishes. Wasting our time suits her purposes just fine. Stealing our power through these incarnations will either allow her to accelerate the book, or bypass the need for it entirely. And she immediately wins if she convinces us to work with her, so she has to try that too even if it's the least likely path to victory she has. She probably doesn't want us dead though, unless it's under specific circumstances that would disable the Dojo. If she wanted us dead, she probably could have overwhelmed us with brute force when we were alone and powerless after Morgan kicked us out and before we recruited Gray and Lancelot. I am inclined to believe Obeithion when she says Manaka loses access to Truth if we die, even if she was mislead about the rest.

tl;dr
My guesses:
Plan A: Waste our time until the book is finished
Plan B: Usurp our power through these incarnations
Plan C: Convince us to help her.

>>5021741
+1

>>5021642
>"Pass."

Lets not pass merlin's help, seriously.

>>5022516
Nah

I hate Merlin as much as the next well-adjusted human being, but getting the help of the fucking GRAND CASTER is too useful.

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>>5021642
>>5021741
+1.

After actually doing Babylonia, I don't really get the Merlin hate. He's ironically more helpful and straighforward than others before him, and clearly doesn't like that he can't empathize with regular humans.

>>5023117
He's a pedo

>>5023117
ppl are just angry he's not an old NEET and is a suave incubus who canonically fucks babylonian hookers nightly.

"Well that certainly wasn't what I was expecting." You don't exactly know who or what you were expecting, but it hadn't been Merlin. Though... you might personally not like the guy all that much, but you couldn't afford to turn down his help. You couldn't possibly afford to turn down the help of a Grand Caster, even if he had lost some of that power as a result of Manaka's actions already, he was still a tremendously powerful ally to have, and not one that you'd turn down in the coming battles. "Aren't you the fairy queen? Can't you enter Avalon whenever you feel like it?" It was quite puzzling that Obeithion seemed to need your assistance in saving Merlin from a place she could freely enter.

"I am a fairy, and I am recognized as their queen, yes. I can enter Avalon, but... my power alone is not enough to free Merlin from the Tower of Avalon. I am sure that you are aware of his entrapment and of the enchantment that not even a spellcaster of his caliber can break. I tried myself, but... the enchantment is one made by ancient primordial fairies. Even with the full power of the Fairy Queen, I cannot wield the raw power I need to shatter the spell." So she needed your help for something? You didn't exactly know what she was expecting that you'd be able to do, if she was hoping that you'd be able to use your Truth to break the lock, then she was very sadly mistaken. You didn't even want to risk attempting to use Truth right now, for fear of completely losing what little grasp you still maintained on your power. A part of you thought it impossible to completely lose your power, but... if Manaka was capable of siphoning it from you, then using what little you may still be able to summon might lead to her snatching that away as well somehow.

"Then what exactly is it that you wish me to do? How do you expect me to free Merlin if even you can't do it?" Obeithion smiled, a warm smile, looks like she was expecting that question, and she prodded a finger at your chest and looked deep into your eyes.

"The power to free Merlin exists within you, and I'm not talking about your heart." She chuckled. "I'm talking about Rhongomyniad, of course. The spear that can pierce and destroy anything endlessly. While you could of course have used your Truth to break the spell as well, it is not something I would risk having you do in your current state." Obeithion did seem concerned about your current state, your inability to properly wield truth was a tremendous detriment, but... when you reclaimed your power, you were certain that you would be able to use your power to rapidly regain control of the rest of it.

'She's right, you know.' Rhongomyniad's voice echoed in your mind. 'No fairy magic is going to be able to block me, I'm quite certain of that' the woman's voice was smug and self assured, and for good reason. Her power was great enough to overwhelm even a god at the height of his power, a god who alone was powerful enough to challenge and defeat Tiamat who was herself at the height of her power. In fact, if you had aimed for Marduk's head with Rhongomyniad and struck true, the odds that the blow would've been a fatal one were indeed very high. That was the amount of power that was held by Rhongomyniad now, the Spear of the End Without End.

You felt a warm and fuzzy feeling emanating from within you as Rhongomyniad realized that you were actually complimenting her strength, and you smiled a little, happy that the spirit within the weapon was happy. "Then... what do we need to do? Just... go to Avalon, and... bust Merlin out? That sounds pretty easy, honestly."

"Well, upon reaching Avalon... we may run into trouble. Avalon as it was in the world before my creator's rise was a place beyond time and dimensions, but even that did not protect it from her reach." She sighed. "I have reason to believe that we may run into... opposition, if we enter Avalon." Obeithion looked worried about something, and you weren't quite sure what, Avalon may have been affected by Manaka's power, but... why would that mean you'd run into opposition?

"What do you mean?" You wondered aloud what Obeithion meant, and the fairy decided to explain.

"As a place that should exist on the border of existence itself, Avalon... is a place that I believe my creator may turn her attention to us." Obeithion spoke of Manaka as if Manaka was some sort of all-powerful god... which when you thought about it, may not be that far from the Truth given her rapid ascent in power. What was once a girl who could accomplish anything she wanted had become something far far more dangerous, and she was already a nightmare on the level of controlling a Beast by herself.

"You really think she'd intervene personally if we went to Avalon?" You weren't so sure of that, she's had chances to intervene personally many times already, and she had yet chosen not to, it was more likely that whatever she was doing was taking up all of her attention to the degree that she couldn't even spend a few moments to spy upon you.

"I don't know what she may or may not do, all I know is that she is very likely to take personal interest in the two of us if we enter Avalon... what's more, your allies will have to remain here while we attempt to rescue Merlin... even with my power as the Queen of the Fairies, I am unable to transfer more than one person over to the Land of the Fairies with myself... with that in mind, are you ready?"

"Wait... one more question before I decide." There was a very small chance of your next question actually receiving a positive answer, but you wanted the answer even so.

"What's that?" Obeithion tilted her head, prompting you to continue.

"Your uh... big sister, Mordred. Do you know if she's in this world as well?" You really wanted to make sure that Mordred was safe. In a way, you felt responsible for her safety, having been chosen as her advisor... well, you felt responsible for a lot of people that you wanted to make sure were safe. Sakura, Medea, Alítheia, Betty, Abigail... if you thought of everyone you wanted to keep safe, it would take far too long. But what mattered was that Mordred was somebody near to the top of that list.

"Ah... Mordred... That depends on what you mean by Mordred..." Obeithion looked away awkwardly. "The Mordred of this world and the Mordred you know are two different people, as you may have already figured out. In all my time in this world, I have not met the one I was familiar with, as unfortunate as that might be... I can only hope that she is safe... she is... my sister, as strange as it is to think that, and I would've liked to have gotten to know her better." You imagine that the two would've gotten along quite well if they had more time with each other, Mordred was somebody that was very easy to get along with, especially after her ascension as a king. "But... we can't dwell on the past now. The sooner we enter Avalon, the sooner we can get Merlin, and the sooner we can get to making things go back to the way things were... the way things should be. So... are you ready?"

>"Yes, let's go."
>"Wait... right now? Don't I even get to tell Lancelot and Gray where I'm going?"
>"I need to take care of something first. (What?)"
>Write-in...

>>5023882
Yes let's go

>>5023882
>"Wait... right now? Don't I even get to tell Lancelot and Gray where I'm going?"
Show some consideration for the allies, man!

>>5023882
>>"Wait... right now? Don't I even get to tell Lancelot and Gray where I'm going?"
Bruh

>>5023882
>"Wait... right now? Don't I even get to tell Lancelot and Gray where I'm going?"
Gotta let the gang know that we're gonna bust out the wizard real quick

>>5023882
>"Wait... right now? Don't I even get to tell Lancelot and Gray where I'm going?"