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Life is good. Every day, after some family time and your studies, you get to go outside and explore! Natural spaces and trees for climbing- some days you stay outside all day until the sun comes down. This is one of the perks of being the child of such important people; you also get a first class education, and can study basically anything you want, though your performance and personal tutors always demand excellence. Sometimes, you like to just relax and be a kid. You have house servants and all kinds of luxurious foods and electronics... though your parents make you do a lot of your own chores to teach you “discipline” and will punish you if you lord this status over the other kids you meet- to prevent you from being spoiled. Still- life is basically perfect.

Of course, things change. You vaguely knew that you weren't going to be a kid forever, and one morning when you woke up with your first period on your bedsheets, you knew it was one such change. You told your parents about it, and they were instantly and totally supportive.

“We're here for you, sweetheart! This is a big day for you.” Your mother would say- your father smiling and nodding.

”Of course- it means you're becoming a woman. Very important!”

Beyond the initial shock when you woke up, you didn't really think it was that big of a deal. Looking at your gentle and so very supportive father- you wonder if he really is that much older then your mother. You are told that young girls are married to older men as it is best for “optimal fertility”; but he really doesn't look any older then she does. It's a Dulioan thing.

”First thing tomorrow- your mother is taking you to the Fertility Doctor.”

”But Dad, don't we already have a doctor?”

”Ahh, yes my darling clever child- but this is a very special doctor. Just for girls. You will see.”

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The doctor is very polite to you. He's an older Indigo- but then again, everyone seems very polite once they know who your father is.

“Hello, Kima. Today is a very special day. You are now becoming a female of reproductive age. This is a big honor, but also responsibility. You need to swear an oath. This oath is something that every woman swears once they become fertile for the first time. It is very serious, you have to really mean it.”

“He's right, honey. I swore it too.” Your mother says, a supportive hand on your shoulder.

“Now, please raise your right hand- and repeat after me.”

“I, your name, solemnly swear.”
“I, Kima Dulioan, solemnly swear.”
“To uphold the dignity of the Jaxtian race.”
“To uphold the dignity of the Jaxtian race.”
”To keep my body clean, as it does not belong to me.”
“To keep my body clean, as it does not belong to me.”
“For my womb to be used, only when I am told.”
“For my womb to be used, only when I am told.”
“And for my love to be given, only to the worthy.”
“And for my love to be given, only to the worthy.”
“I am Woman, and I will serve Man. Now, and forever.”
“I am Woman, and I will serve Man. Now, and...”

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>>5250568
>forever :(

>>5250568
>...forever. :/
>(quietly) what the actual fuck?

>>5250568
>forever...
Is this present day Jaxt?

>>5250592
+1

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>Forever
Don't be stupid, and don't think this is some kind of bad thing when compared to what the men get. Literally NO ONE in the Hegemony has a body that belongs to them - the men just happen to be used for different things.

Are you going to forget the sheer amount of times we've killed a monke man for something like questioning the leader? Supreme candidates are expected to learn literally everything, including KNIFE FIGHTING.

Don't try to start something stupid. Though it'd be good to start marrying girls to men in their age, to avoid more psychological problems - the older the parents, the more chance the hcild will come out schizophrenic.

DON'T BE STUPID AND THINK WE'LL GET ANYWHERE GOOD BY DELETING OUR FAMILIAL STRUCTURE.

>>5250592
Absolute cringe, tell me how this is any worse than being an tin soldier like those dumb hazaar alphas who get turned into space marine monstrosities, or being an vetuck in an planet that's not even yours anymore

You can say it sounds creepy, and pairing them with older men is stupid due to the psychological effects it gives, but in all honesty, everyone's got it fuckin' though, and if you want to make it better, you're not going to do it by acting like it's the worst thing in the world.
>oh noes i have to be a mother, woe is me

And this girl seems smart enough to know that's far from fucked up when you consider what our society thinks is fine and dandy.

>>5250592
+1
>>5250618
>>5250623
she’s a kid, it’s a little bit fucked
I get the entire point of the quest, but a kid should be weirded out by this.
You can uphold the status quo without a kid thinking its completely 100% fine.

>>5250626
>she’s a kid, it’s a little bit fucked
Don't monkes have higher life cycles though? It sounds fucked to us because a nine year old is a child, but didn't monkes use to live to like 60 before medical advances? Has our growth cycle even changed?

Either way, it's obviously going to lead to her possibly doing more, which is schtupid. It's fucked up, yes, but so is death by torture, and everyone in jaxtian society thinks that's completely normal - it's dumb to follow only human morals.

The way i see it, it is fully possible to improve certain things without going down a dark path. There's a big difference between changing specific things and having some kind of emancipation movement, which will end horrible.

There is literally nothing wrong with only having male supreme rulers. Literally how many times already did we need our rulers to do something dangerous or get in combat? THERE'S LITERALLY AN STYLE OF CLOTHING DEDICATED TO SUPREMES WHO MURDERED THEIR PREDECESSORS.

I have no issues with stuff like female scientists, but male-only supreme rulers is an absolutely reasonable choice.

>>5250618
+1
We really need to try avoiding anything that creates psychotic children, our society is full of them. We need more talacents and less ingars

Maybe I'm just stating the obvious but Kima is probably Hwat's daughter, same family name, Supreme Ruler tier gene score, he's dressed in red and we know that he became more responsible after the birth of his child (so no mention of their gender) and while he looks a little younger (not greyer blue spot on the face) the sidequest could be set in the past.

>>5250642
Fair point, so i'm guessing we're basically choosing her "backstory"

Personally, i'd like for her to get involved in psychological stuff. I know it's repetitive, but harambe knows we need to help our society in that side of things. Not in an political sense, mind you, but more so in helping to avoid more ingars and agoris

>>5250642
Speaking of hwat, you think he'd be a good 'temporary ruler' to take care of jaxt while the actual supreme is in the reconquista crusade?

>>5250651
See >>5250572

>>5250653
Well, all that's left is the 'will he be good' question

>>5250634
I never said anything about female supremes, or even an emancipation movement. I just said a kid ought to be weirded out by the idea that her body is essentially owned by a faceless monkey empire. I mean, putting yourself in the shoes of the character and all that, a mile in their moccasins (or monkey jumpsuits) if you will

>>5250660
Well, but that's the thing, why would she find it weird if that's how their culture has gone for so long? Someone who was born in such a culture and raiesd in it wouldn't fit it weird, they'd find it completely normal - especially one who had an happy childhood with no real issues, like her.

>>5250664
Not necessarily. Plenty of people grow up in a comfortable Western existence and still become politically active reformers IRL, no?

>>5250650
I strongly support guiding someone towards improving Jaxtian mental health programs.

>>5250692
>lenty of people grow up in a comfortable Western existence and still become politically active reformers IRL, no?
Yes, when they're young adults. She's obviously not a child, but she hasn't been exactly much 'experienced' with politics - the only reason we have teenagers even interested in such things on earth is because our society exposes them to tremendous amounts of politics from an early age, much of it conflicting. Kima, on the other hand, seems to still be pretty sheltered, in no small part becasue, as they're not a democracy, the hegemony has WAY less political argumentation - even state philosophers have very limited job.

It really makes no sense for her to not be totally okay and normal with this. It would have been implanted in her since her birth - that's how society works. Children will nearly always follow the beliefs of their parents until they become full fledged adults with their own experiences.
>I strongly support guiding someone towards improving Jaxtian mental health programs.
That i agree

>>5250568
>"Actually Doctor I have a question about this oath, based on recent changes into meritocratic selection for Supreme Ruler which ignores the patriarchal standards of previous generations and my high tier genetics making me a possible candidate. Does this oath not then imply if that if I were selected for such a lofty position I would still be subservient to men?"

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>>5250799
..Why in the everloving fuck would it change anything? You realize that the 'meritocratic changes' were literally only a removal of the genetic caste, right?

It literally says so. Aliens still can't become supreme. If anything, her high tier genetics are absolutely meaningless now that there are no more genetic caste

This is some 'my 3 year old son' tier stuff

>>5250806
Clearly, you did not read the last thread and don't understand what the reform actually did. Bananas has explicitly implied that this reform opens the door to female candidates as it no longer puts male genetics as superior. Having Supreme tier genetics, however, does instead show us she is a genius with the potential to run the Hegemony. She is also 9 years old with the most expensive education in the world, I'm sure she would understand such concepts.

>>5250818
>Clearly, you did not read the last thread and don't understand what the reform actually did.
Yes i did, because i actually know what it meant. It's specifically supposed to remove the genetic caste system away. The idea that it suddenly turns into some sort of equalitarian state is retarded. We still don't allow aliens or women to take the position of supreme leader - it even says so on the opening.
>Having Supreme tier genetics, however, does instead show us she is a genius with the potential to run the Hegemony.
Not in a million fucking years. Supreme leaders will always benefit from being physically stronger, as shown with Eoba getting saved in the worm monster fight by his knife autism.
>She is also 9 years old with the most expensive education in the world, I'm sure she would understand such concepts.
She's not an supreme candidate. Why did you get it in your head that she did? She has not. She has high genetics, yes, but she doesn't get supreme candidate education - if she wasn't, she wouldn't be spending her time playing with friends, she'd be learning how to kill with a knife like the other candidates.

It's stupid, retarded, and has no basis other than "i agree with this politically"

>>5250568
>for ever...
(...so long as they are deserving of it.)

>>5250833
Under the previous system, this was true but not under the new system. We have made explicit changes to our selection process that would allow for female candidates but whatever dude make this about IRL politics. Allowing females to be candidates will increase our pool of talent for Supreme Ruler and overall be a beneficial thing. Supreme tier genetics means supreme tier intelligence and education to match, the Hegemony educates females just as well as males.

>>5250833
Not him but I think that making her outwardly agree while having some reservations and independence could be good, I doubt that she could become a Supreme Ruler but she may be a Theodora to our Justinian, the next Supreme Ruler.

>>5250568
>forever

>>5250845
Maybe, but 'what the fuck' certainly isn't 'reservations', more like 'abject disgust', and we won't get anywhere

If the goal was to make sure she'd eventually do something good, it would be later when she was grown, not by making her be disgusted about our culture

>>5250818
>explicitly implied
I'm okay with a feminist tide and even a female supreme, but "explicit" and "implicit" are antonyms.

>>5250833
Eoba and Agori put themselves in situations where physical conflict was likely or inevitable on purpose. Most of our Supremes would have lost to the Worm in hand-to-hand combat, including pretty-much-universally-beloved ones like Kinja and Talacent. This didn't make them worse rulers.

>>5250836
I suppose that's the meaning of "only to the worthy" part, yeah? Scum don't get wives.

>>5250853
>Eoba and Agori put themselves in situations where physical conflict was likely or inevitable on purpose
Eoba's meeting with the worm was exactly a choice. Bananas himself that if whether we bowed or not would determine how idealistic it was
>This didn't make them worse rulers.
No, but it is useful, and as a SUPREME whose whole thing is being THE BEST, there is no reason to start picking weaker choices solely because you want to push politics that you agree with

>>5250868
wasn't*

>>5250868
>here is no reason to start picking weaker choices solely because you want to push politics that you agree with

We picked a two-tailed late-bloomer for his big (potential) brain, over an Alpha, because we valued pragmatism and intellect over muscles and intuition in guiding the Hegemony. That was a philosophical, POLITICAL decision to choose a weaker candidate over a stronger one because we agreed more with the politics he represented: that intellectual rigor is more meritous in a leader than gut-instinct or physical might.

So may it be when/if we decide that having a wider pool of candidates (ie. the other 50% of the Jaxtian population currently excluded by default, females) is more important than limiting candidacy to optimal knife-fighters.

>>5250879
>We picked a two-tailed late-bloomer for his big (potential) brain, over an Alpha,
Yes, because the alpha was specifically not even that bright. However, even while not being as strong as an alpha, female supremes will ALWAYS Have a physical disadvantage. There is literally no reason to have an female supreme rulers when there will always be plenty of other male rulers who will have the same level of intelligence without such a weakness

>So may it be when/if we decide that having a wider pool of candidates
Did you miss the part where we were SPECIFICALLY having problems with TOO MANY CANDIDATES? Again, our populations is in the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS.

Finding a candidate will never be the problem -we have candidates up through our noses. So if the problem isn't finding SMART people, we also vet them for OTHER POINTS. Including physical weakness, or, like in the case of the alpha, psychological or mental weakness.

In the end, there is really no reason to start having female supremes. It will bring literally no benefit whatsoever - it's literally just "i want to have feminism in my monke quest"

>>5250888
I think that the reason why women can't be Supreme Rulers is probably the oath, it's not comptatible with the "supreme must be supreme" principle of the rank.

>>5250898
You're thinking of the chicken when you should be thinking about the egg. It's not just the oath, it's that supremes, as a whole, must be supreme. It doesn't mean that they have to be strong, but it means women will ALWAYS Be at a disadvantage.

In fact, imagine how risky an pregnant supreme leader would be - the interstellar emperor, completely weak. Monkeys aren't species with strong females like hyenas - the females are physically weaker than the males. Ultimately, if a supreme ruler was a female, they woudl either be one of those weird bitter cat aunt (no children or husband) or they would be ultimately subject to their husband, i.e not supreme

There is no benefit to having female supremes.

>>5250888
There's plenty of reason to want female Supremes (or at least highly-placed females) as an option. If Jaxtian females do not have an inherently worse mind, we are currently sitting on an untapped resource, and squandering it.

>but we'll have too many candidates again!

Good thing the new meritocratic system is better at sifting through huge swathes of a growing population.

>but we need martial merit as a method to winnow out inferior candidates in the event of too many smart monkes!

Then keep that qualifier in. Either it will rule out females anyway, or one day we'll have a female so good in other regards that we'll be glad that we didn't immediately disqualify her. Maybe that's even Kima.

Maybe we won't, but the fact that Jaxtian women are striving for greater positions will still give us a lot of ambitious, hard-working candidates for other positions, with brilliant ideas and worthwhile contributions, who would otherwise have just mumbled their oath and gone home to quietly cope.

>>5250905
>If Jaxtian females do not have an inherently worse mind, we are currently sitting on an untapped resource, and squandering it.
No, we're just not trying to ruin our social structure.
>Good thing the new meritocratic system is better at sifting through huge swathes of a growing population.
So we'll just add double the number for absolutely no reason?
>Then keep that qualifier in.
So what, we start teaching women knife fighting too? Great idea moron, let's teach skills that will be completely useless to them, they have a weakness in, and will only ever bear fruit in an one in a trillion chance.
>Maybe we won't, but the fact that Jaxtian women are striving for greater positions will still give us a lot of ambitious, hard-working candidates for other positions,
No it won't, because the more that we give jaxtian women more power, the more they'll be working, and the more they're working, the less they're spending time at home raising their children

Why the fuck do people want to turn jaxt EVEN MORE DYSFUNCTIONAL? We're already an gatacca hellhole, we don't need to destroy the family structure too

>>5250913
>So we'll just add double the number for absolutely no reason?
To encourage the (seemingly equally intelligent?) other 50% of our population to do more for the Hegemony, potentially doubling productivity and amping up innovation.

> Great idea moron, let's teach skills that will be completely useless to the
Knife-fighting is useless to almost everyone in a space-age empire that barely even fights wars, and does so almost exclusively with guns, ships, energy fields, and data prions.

>No it won't, because the more that we give jaxtian women more power, the more they'll be working, and the more they're working, the less they're spending time at home raising their children
Good thing we have a command economy, then, where we can ensure we don't require two full-time workers to supply a household, meaning families can either divvy up caregiver duties between two parents or continue to have one partner (be in male or female) stay at home full-time without the hazards of single-working-parent households in real life.

>>5250921
>To encourage the (seemingly equally intelligent?) other 50% of our population to do more for the Hegemony, potentially doubling productivity and amping up innovation.
Yeah, that'll work out fine, just get the women to go spend all their time doing labour in the mines. I'm not saying keep them all in the kitchen, i'm saying "trying to make them work equally is stupid and will only lead to worse things"
>Knife-fighting is useless to almost everyone in a space-age empire that barely even fights wars
Except that the supreme realer CAN use knife-fighting. It is stupid to think that it it's useless when it's already saved the lives of multiple supremes - eoba himself only managed to live by killing agori, and later, the alien with his own hands
>where we can ensure we don't require two full-time workers to supply a household
That's not how it works. If you start giving them "equal rights", that means they're going to have the same workloads, which means they'll invariably spend less time with their children
>or continue to have one partner (be in male or female)
Or, and hear me out, we let the people who LITERALLY HAVE THE BIOLOGICAL PURPOSE OF RAISING CHILDREN TO RAISE CHILDREN

>>5250935
>just get the women to go spend all their time doing labour in the mines
>"trying to make them work equally is stupid and will only lead to worse things"
Good thing that's not what I'm advocating then, I guess? Go me!

>Except that the supreme realer CAN use knife-fighting
But usually doesn't have to, and most of the Supremes we've picked would probably be middling at best as knife-fighters compared to genetically-similar rank-and-file Jaxtians.

>That's not how it works. If you start giving them "equal rights", that means they're going to have the same workloads, which means they'll invariably spend less time with their children
Nobody has rights in the Hegemony, and "how it works" is however we say it does... Because it's a command economy where nobody has intrinsic, inalienable rights.

>Or, and hear me out, we let the people who LITERALLY HAVE THE BIOLOGICAL PURPOSE OF RAISING CHILDREN TO RAISE CHILDREN
*biological purpose of bearing young
We actually know relatively little about how much time and energy the average Jaxtian male spends on child-rearing, or what their biological and psychological prerogatives across Jaxtian history have been in that regard.

NOW who's bringing real-life politics into it? They're fictional aliens. Let's assess their actual abilities and aptitudes dispassionately before going "REEE, don't bring feminism into my game where the QM is actually clearly trying to encourage a discussion of this very subject!"

>there is no benefit to female Supremes
We don'tknow that, and I've presented reasons there may be

> it's literally just "i want to have feminism in my monke quest"
Take it up with QM who (again) clearly brought up this very quandary because there are upsides and downsides to both and he VERY CLEARLY wants us to discuss it

tl;dr: I'm not foisting some feminist agenda on a story ill-suited to it, QM is literally putting us in the shoes of a young woman and asking us to think about how we would want society to be structured if we were her.

>>5250949
>Good thing that's not what I'm advocating then, I guess?
It's what'll happen.
>But usually doesn't have to
But there are situations where they neeed to, and when that happens, the last thing you need is a pregnant woman.
>Nobody has rights in the Hegemony, and "how it works" is however we say it does
Except, if you start making it so women have as many privileges as male jaxtians - which is what happens if they can, for example, become supreme leaders, then they're going to also be working in positions that require full-time working. You do know that the hegemony still has money, right? This isn't an pure RTS society where people are paid in grain and milk
>*biological purpose of bearing young
And raising children. That's their purpose. They're weaker because they stay at home and raise children while the men are out - and they ARE weaker. That's not an argument - even yuan said it.
>We actually know relatively little about how much time and energy the average Jaxtian male spends on child-rearing
There is literally nothing that has shown jaxtians to have anything but the normal. Parenting, when it's been shown, hasn't been shown with any real differences from what we have.
>We don'tknow that, and I've presented reasons there may be
And i said why those reasons are pointless
>Take it up with QM who (again) clearly brought up this very quandary because there are upsides and downsides to both and he VERY CLEARLY wants us to discuss it
There's a difference between "discuss fictional politics" and "let's push a politic that was done in human countries because i agree with it" as opposed to assessing what makes sense for the story
>QM is literally putting us in the shoes of a young woman and asking us to think about how we would want society to be structured if we were her.
Yes, and as i've said before, there is literally noreason for her to suddenly turn into an feminist who thinks the oath is disgusting and patriarchy is bad when IT'S LITERALLY AN PRECEPT OF THEIR CULTURE

>>5250960
>Yes, and as i've said before, there is literally noreason for her to suddenly turn into an feminist who thinks the oath is disgusting and patriarchy is bad when IT'S LITERALLY AN PRECEPT OF THEIR CULTURE

I guess there was no reason for Aumunu to object to his station, since it was literally a precept of his culture, either. It's almost like... Jaxtians are individuals, with their own personalities and drives, and not every single one is in lockstep with their society's current norms at all times? And sometimes, their social rebellions have proven beneficial to the society as a whole, and to them individually?

>There's a difference between "discuss fictional politics" and "let's push a politic that was done in human countries because i agree with it" as opposed to assessing what makes sense for the story

Then it's again quite a good thing that I am doing stuff like saying "let's wait to assess what biological and psychological imperatives are for Jaxtians, rather than humans" and "let's use the unique political and economic circumstances of the Hegemony to extract ultimate utility from the female Jaxtians without necessarily repeating human history and pitfalls of feminism on Earth", right? You're the one going "NOPE NOPE NOPE, let's not even argue it, physical strength number one, women are for babies, JUST STOP BEING A FEMINIST"


Picture this:
>you are a gifted young man, everyone says so
>they even say you're as good as the leader of your entire society in terms of raw potential
>you are given great freedom and opportunity
>you like to run and play with your friends, and learn a lot, always striving to be the very best at everything you do
Then...
>you get your first wet dream
>your parents take you to see a special doctor for boners
>he makes you pledge to relinquish physical, mental, and reproductive autonomy, unlike all your female friends, because men and their balls are just for pleasing and benefiting ladies

Now, I get that that's some people's kink, but for most people, I bet they'd have an expression like pic related, and I bet they'd have some misgivings.

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>>5250977
forgot pic

I like how it's already devolved into autism

>>5250981
It's fitting I guess, I don't really understand you would sperg about fictional monke gender roles however. I feel really sorry for the QM

>>5250977
>I guess there was no reason for Aumunu to object to his station, since it was literally a precept of his culture, either.
That is a different scenario, you dumbass. Objecting to a job is completely different from a CHILD suddenly developing an completely different ideology from nowhere for absolutely no reason
>Then it's again quite a good thing that I am doing stuff like saying "let's wait to assess what biological and psychological imperatives are for Jaxtians, rather than humans"
>Except there is literally nothing that has shown jaxtians to have different parenthood. If it was something so major, don't you think it would have appeared in the SEVEN threads we've had, at least ONCE?
>"let's use the unique political and economic circumstances of the Hegemony to extract ultimate utility from the female Jaxtians without necessarily repeating human history and pitfalls of feminism on Earth"
Except it literally doesn't make sense. THINK of it for a while. If women start working full time, there is no option that doesn't leave it worse.

CASE 1: THEY ARE TREATED THE SAME AS THEIR HUSBANDS, WORK AT THE SAME TIME
>Children has to spend half of day without any parent to watch over
>Children are thus getting it worse
CASE 2: THEY ARE TREATED THE SAME AS THEIR HUSBANDS, DIFFERENT SHIFTS AS THEIR HUSBANDS
>You now have a ton of couples who basically spend the entire day away from each other, only seeing the other in small time gaps when one of them is going to be dead tired
CASE 3: THEY AREN'T TREATED THE SAME AS THEIR HUSBAND
>Defeats the point of 'double work' while also not even changing anything from what we currently have (female jaxtians DO have jobs)
CASE 4: THEY WORK FULL TIME, HUSBANDS STAY AT HOME
At which case you're back where we started, except worse because you inverted the roles.
>I bet they'd have an expression like pic related, and I bet they'd have some misgivings.
I'd say it isn't much better
The Oath, while creepy, is hardly any different - or worse than what the men have. NO ONE in the hegemony has physical, mental or reproductive autonomy. We can - and do - tell men they will NEVER have children because they're too ugly or weak.

In fact - Women have MORE reproductive autonomy than men because they can have Indigo Children even when below the genetic cutoff line, while men are just fucked.

>>5250986
>make thread about controversial theme
>it has controversial discussions
I mean, i don't know what you expected

>>5251003
>CASE 5: The parent who is less useful to the Hegemony or better-suited to child-rearing stays home on a case-by-case basis, and women who are more useful in other roles than as child-rearers just do that instead

>>5251009
>The parent who is less useful to the Hegemony
Yes, let's decide who raises children based on how much profit they can make, great idea dumbass
>or better-suited to child-rearing stays home
That'd be the woman
>on a case-by-case basis
Ah yes, let's judge 500 BILLION PEOPLE to see who gets to play house spouse and who works on the tritium mines. Totally a good way to spend our time.

Fucking hell. It's only the opening post and the autists are out already.

>>5251013
>profit
Societal utility. We already decide who can have children based on societal utility. This is just expanding the calculus of raw utility to include male and female monkes alike rather than hewing to a tradition for continuity's sake without even investigating if it was established for perfectly-rational reasons. You know, like when we reevaluated gene-scores?

>That'd be the woman
Not true for all women in real life, and we have no way of knowing if it is true for all blue space monkes in this fictional setting

>Ah yes, let's judge 500 BILLION PEOPLE to see who gets to play house spouse and who works on the tritium mines. Totally a good way to spend our time.
We literally already do that using futuristic super-AIs, my strange compatriot. Remember we're in a sci-fi quest, not real life?

A quest where, by the way...
>>5250583
>>5250592
>>5250605
>>5250626
>>5250799
>>5250836
all these votes are for some degree of discomfort with this..
>>5250604
>>5250618
>>5250636
>>5250847
and fewer votes are in favour of unequivocal acceptance of the status quo.

So I guess it's increasingly looking like we'll get to see how it goes! :)

>>5251028
*as long as they are deserving, i'm changing from my old vote to >>5250836

>>5250592
+1

>>5250592
>“I am Woman, and I will serve Man. Now, and...”
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> Anonymous (ID: Ee85V0FK) 05/01/22(Sun)17:17:35 No.5250583▶>>5251018
>>>5250568
+1

>>5251093
The autism is so strong with this sidequest, it even glitched a bot.
Does anyone have the Chinese Copypasta or JIDF infografics?

>>5251096
Yeah, that's a bot. It cant be just a mistake because a mistake would require someone to have copied all this and then clicked "post"

How many of those (you)s are bots, i wonder

>>5251096
Pretty sure that anon just highlighted a big chunk of the one post by accident before clicking the reply window open. It automatically copies qnd pastes it into the window when you do that and, if they are a filthy phoneposter like me they may not even notice it until the post is up.

>>5251122
If it was it wouldn't have copied the whole thing, only test, i tried it right now on me phone

>>5251124
only text*

It would have only copied the post test, not the time. That is the work of a bot.

>>5251127
Oh, huh, you're right. Weird. Why is a bot even fucking around on /qst/?

>>5251130
Jews probably

>>5251130
Because someone REALLY wants their vote to win, but they dont own multiple phones to samefag normally

Basically, they're trying to rig the votes for that option

>>5251131
>jews
Wrong, it's fucking Yuan'tul

He's samefagging so the feminist option wins and the jaxtian race is weakened

>>5251132
Why wouldn't they just use a VPN?
Why would they bother, when our side was already winning the vote?

>>5251138
Your side wasn't winning the vote - it was tied with just submitting 3 - 3. Other options, like "only the deserving" do not count towards your vote.

Ergo, they samefagged. >>5251066 might possibly be too, since no further replies

>>5251140
And >>5250847, then, I presume?

>>5251144
Why would a bot make a single vote and then stop and vote for the opposite thing? It's way too early for 1 post by id to matter, but when you have two identical votes in a row, one of which is objectively a bot, it's suspicious

>>5251154
Oh yeah by the way it's still me i'm just a stupid mobilefag

>>5251154
I'm just saying, it seems silly to discount a "1post id" vote without a subsequent vote for one side but not the other.

This is why I always make the first vote of any new thread in my quest an uncontroversial one, so if there's a sudden surge of suspicious votes on a subsequent vote, ti's easy to spot the dodgy characters

>>5251160
It's not silly in context, dig? A single 1 ID is normal, an 1 ID followed by an exactly similar bot glitch is not. That'd suspicious, right?

>>5251163
Holy fuck why does it keep changing i haven't even moved

>>5251163
Not necessarily, in a popular or high-traffic thread. Ideally, though, both the 1post id folks would come back to verify their votes with a followup.

>Accusing people of samefagging already

Jesus christ the autistic infighting is going to be insane. I'm excited.

>>5250568
>Forever, so long as they are deserving of it.

I like to think that she has a bit of spunk in her. Hwat, ever the chill monke, would probably let it slide as a bit of childish fun, but I imagine Kima would take the deserving part seriously.

Also, sorry this has turned into a spergfest Bananas, the autism is off the charts for a kid side plot.

>>5251168
Look at >>5251093 and tell me it's not a bot

>>5251173
Yeah, that post is +1'ing me and even I find it suspicious and weird.

>>5251171
BASED

Cool monkeys get cool monkey wives. Qet was a faggot and didn't like tomboys - let's fix that wrong.

>>5251178
Vul*

Apologies to Qet. It was Vul who cheated.

>>5251178
>>5251183
Clearly that’s what led to his downfall. Tomboy Supremacy for life!

>>5251189
Unironically

Tomboys are perfect and monke society would improve immensely if tomboyism became the ideal as opposed to that Jezebel who mathematically planned her makeup for vul

Maybe Kima can make that happen.

>>5251193
That Jezebel is Talacent's mom, though, and monke(and Blue Hazaar) society owes her a debt of gratitude.

>>5251196
Talacent was an extreme exception. He was an normal guy in a sea of schizos. He became good despite of it, not because.

>>5251208
True enough, but if Raza hadn't seduced Vul, or Vul hadn't gone for it, his legacy would have died aboard the Cirrus and we never would have got Talacent at all.

>>5251213
Talacent was cool, but if he wasn't alive we'd have gotten EOBA SUPREME, and imagine how fucking cool that would have been

>>5251222
>complaining about crazy Supremes
>wanting Eoba I to be Supreme
Pick one. He was based, but also a total goddamn loon.

>>5251222
>>5251251
Imagine what kind of athletic monke we could’ve had had we prioritized Vul’s tomboy waifu, shit would’ve been lit.

>>5251140
Eh? I don't stick around for discussions since I'm busy with other stuff, man. I personally think that the oath is a little bit fucked up and that someone may have issues with it.

I know the hegemony has done far worse but I'm making choices based on what the girl might be feeling, not out of meta "I don't want another sociopath" thing.

>>5251279
We DID prioritize her. We married Vul to her. That prioritization was what got her killed with Vul Takar. If we wanted her and the child to live, we should have either saved the Cirrus OR married Raza and Vul might have cheated with her or with the blonde candidate... But alas, hindsight is 20/20. I'm happy with what we got.

>>5251283
Haha, nice! Confirmed real-vote for getting maybe a Tomboy Supreme.

>>5251286
Oh, totally, I have no issue with a Tomboy Supreme thing. I do find it a bit weird how we're already throwing accusations of samefagging (the obvious botpost notwithstanding)

>>5251284
That clears it then. It's stills undeniably suspicious looking, however
>>5251286
No, If that option wins we get a feminist. Tomboy would be the "deserving" option

>>5250618
+1

>>5251286
I would rather not end up with a feminist. Not when monkes have even greater sex physiological differences than humans given they have things like Alphas. Not to mention this female monke has the advantage of a Threemind AI who has just been unleashed to reorganize based on merit for promoting the hegemony and it lacks the biases of organics. So long as girl monke can out-compete her male rivals Threemind will favor her. Don't forget Alphas have just been upgraded to be even dumber and more aggressive. Putting them a lower enforcer caste strata compared to the historic past of higher ranks. So long as female monkes don't do anything retarded Threemind will back them.

>>5251305
"Tomboy" does not mean "generic tomboy harem anime waifu who is still submissive to the male MC", if just means "a girl who does boyish things."

>>5251314
>So long as girl monke can out-compete her male rivals Threemind will favor her

How is that a bad thing? What you're literally saying is "Threemind, an AI we programmed to select Supreme candidates based on pure ability for the betterment of our Hegemony, will favour a candidate who outcompetes the other candidates, without being emotional or irrational about it. No shit, my dude, that is literally what we programmed it to do, in order to get that exact kind of result.

>>5251144
>>5251154
Im not bot bro

>>5251325
Sorry, but a feminist will NEVER be a tomboy. Tomboyism requires there to still be femininity

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>>5251337

>>5251343
It's true, and choosing abject disgust WILL prevent her from becoming a tomboy

>>5251352
It’s why deserve is far superior to disgust, it’s more meritocratic and culturally in-tune rather than rebellious and anti-social. It’s why Tomboys are objectively superior to femnazis.

I, for one, welcome our Tomboy overlords!

>>5251332
Mein Gott, the bots are becoming sapient!

>>5251370
You're right, but people seem keen on making her into an unlikeable feminist with those votes

>>5251386
In all honesty, it seems to be a running theme with anons voting for autism causing characters. I just want muh tomboy supremacy, why do they have to go all femnazi and fuck it all up?

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>>5251405
>>5251386
You're projecting so fucking hard. Imagine thinking "I'm a little disgusted at this weird old stranger talking about how I don't own my genitals" is radical third-wave feminism.

>>5251415
Don’t want to focus on the autism, but when everyone in a society was raised as the State’s property, it’s a bit weird when anons choose to get politically disgusted over biological rights (privileges in Monke context) as a kid. Kids just want to play and have fun while doing their parents proud, the disgust (wtf) option is at best OOC until she’s older.

>>5251444
This. It's dumb. Maybe in our NORMAL society it would be creepy - but in a society that says equality doesn't exist and rights are fake, it would be stupid and off-character

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>>5251444
But not exactly "a feminazi", is it?

>>5251454
picrel

>>5251469
Your post is flawed because it relies on ideas that don't exist within the hegemony
>physical, mental and reproductive autonomy
Not a concept, not even for men. Especially not for men.
>men just for pleasing and benefitting ladies
Not the case for men and women because of pleasing. In the hegemony it's all about genetics and making capable children.

So again, it doesn't make any sense WHATSOEVER

I'm gonna be honest, i voted for Deserving because it's the best choice

But i'm starting to feel like i should change it. It's got way too few votes and the "disgust" option seems like it'll only be best by a standard forever

And i really don't like the former. I want something constructive and logical, not ANOTHER character who'll spend their entire lifes trying to damage the hegemony and it's values

>>5251469
Sort of is really. I mean, this is a fascist society based on the ideals of supremacy. It’s more likely for her disgust to become a literal femnazi than for her to suddenly gain the context of biological autonomy and individual rights. Plus, she’s a kid that wasn’t really disgusted by her first period, why would she suddenly develop a disgust over body property? It’s OOC at best.

>>5251497
Stand fast comrade, the fight for Tomboy Supremacy ain’t over yet!

>>5251405
Me too. Gotta teach the Threemind about Tomboy supremacy.

>>5251497
That is why I voted for the default one. Hopefully it didn't screw us out of tomboy but at least she won't be a goddamn feminist trying to destroy the hegemony.

>>5251526
Sadly, most people voted, and i don't want to wait just to have the votes be counted and see the thing win. I'd rather play it safe. I mean, i really want to, but if we get feminist version of yuan there'll never be another tomboy monke woman. By choosing this, we maintain the hope of a tomboy in the future

Changing >>5251031 to just a simple
>forever

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"...Forever."

The doctor instantly smiles and lightens up.

"Excellent! Now, we're going to do a few readings, internal temperature readings, that kind of thing. I'll be leaving, and your mother will be here with you or can wait outside, whichever makes you more comfortable. Don't worry, it'll be over in a flash..."

Ugh, the most embarrassing day of your life! Being fretted over like that is not something you want to happen again anytime soon! After the visit, your mother sees you in a slump and comes to comfort you... in her own way.

"Aww, what's wrong sweetheart? You gotta grow up some time."
"Well, maybe I don't WANT to grow up, if that what it is going to be like. What was that whole promise thing even about? It was so intense."
"Aww, don't worry, that's something EVERY woman has to go through. It's normal and a part of life!"
"But why?"
"It's about sex dear. It's something you don't understand yet."
"I know what sex is, Mom. I'm not a baby."
"I know that, sweetheart. But you don't fully understand the consequences. Sex invariably leads to children, and children lead to adults. Everyone and everything in the Hegemony comes from the people- which come from women. It's an investment in the future. Men naturally view us as the source of sex, dear, so it is something to be controlled and optimized for the greater good. You will see soon enough. Hey, why don't we go get some Danbo Yogurt, that ought to cheer you up!"
"...Ok."

Ever since that day, your world starts to change. Almost imperceptibly at first, but everything slowly changes. The clothing you wear changes a bit too. Your parents become a little more protective, your father especially.

”No more staying outside until it gets dark out without a chaperon! And why do you always insist on playing with the boys around here anyway? You need some female friends!”
”Do I have to stop playing with them? Even Radjo?”
”Radjo? You mean that little Alpha boy? Oh yeah- especially not him! He's the absolute worst! I don't ever want you to be alone with him ever again, understand?!”
”...”

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But of course, you get used to these things. You also get more adult responsibilities and freedom too, which is nice. You don't have as much time for fun and your friends anyway; and your tutors start to get serious. Pretty soon, you'll need to start focusing on a select field to spend the rest of your life doing! It's a big choice for your life!

You know that men in the Hegemony often spend their entire lives working on a single project or under a single department- masters of a specific subject or even a single piece of technology. That sounds kind of boring... At least you don't have to pick anything like that!

Your mother and father are also very interested in your studies too. You need to start picking what you're going to spend your youth getting really good at. They tell you how important neuroplasticity is- though you feel like you'll be a kid basically forever, you know deep down things can't be that way. The Hegemony and your unqiue position give you a lot of freedom here- you get to pick stuff you actually like!

You can think of three things you really like- and you know all of them can be high value careers and positions. What do you want to start seriously studying?

>Animals
>Gymnastics
>Medicine

>>5251561
>>Animals

>>5251480
>Especially not for men.
Do they make males pledge fealty and allegiance to females?

>because of pleasing
Creating offspring as desired and pledging allegiance pleases them, no? Don't quibble. It would likely weird out an exceptional child raised to think of herself as elite and privileged.

>>5250568
>Forever, so long as they are deserving of it.

What can I say? I like plucky tomboys who challenge their men to be better.

>>5251561
HELL FUCKING YEAH, TOMBOY TIME
>Gymnastics
Let's make fit monke women popular.

Also, while it may be a bit overbearing, her father is completely logical in not wanting her to spend time with an alpha - mean, yes, but remember Agori? Would you want YOUR daughter to spend her time with a boy who is fully capable of chimping out and LITERALLY TEARING HER ARMS OFF HER SOCKETS?

>>5251561
>Gymnastics

Rip deserving I guess.

>>5251565
>Do they make males pledge fealty and allegiance to females?
Maybe? We dont know - but we do know men don't have bodily, physical or emotional autonomy.
Creating offspring as desired and pledging allegiance pleases them, no?
The Hegemony doesn't care about how the men or women feel, only that they do

>>5251561
>Medicine

Can't believe insecure beta coomers who want a submissive-yet-fit women determined the fate of the Hegemony.

Yes I can.

>>5251574
Hey, the oath says that they have to only have children with "the worthy"? Let's just make her a tomboy

>>5251579
Not submissive, plebeian, but still feminine. Tomboys still have femininity. And personally, i want her to help the mental state of the hegemony

>>5251586
>Not submissive
>Okay with pledging eternal allegiance to men, with a womb which exists to be "used when told"
Pick. One.

>>5251561
>Gymnastics
I suspect that she will get a position a lot beneath her (according to her abilities) in all cases though, think veterinarian or nurse instead of doctor and biologist although I could be wrong (we did have a female overseer candidate).

>>5251561
>Gymnastics

>>5251574
What is 'worthy' anon? That leads a LOT up to interpretation. Especially when Threeminds acknowledged you as a Supreme Ruler candidate tier.

>>5251587
>Woe is me i have to have children
And before you say "as you're told", that's literally just standard hegemony procedure. The government controls breeding down the pairings - does that make all jaxtians submissive?

>>5251591
Yeah, we had an female scientist overseer candidate. Given how Overseer is literally the most powerful position after Supreme Ruler, i don't see how she'd be given an entry tier job with high skills

Gymnastics, after all, is not combat in any way shape or form.

>>5251591
Female Overseer candidate happened after we changed the merit system. It also means Supreme candidates are also possible. So Threeminds is no longer forced to demote females, however, it DOES have to consider their reproductive needs and the like. We just don't know how the other monkes will react once Threeminds start pushing their promotions. We did receive hints when monkes were compared to that one aliens who had far less sexual dimorphism.

>>5251597
Unless threeminds considers how to create fitter female populace and better exemplary promoters. If threeminds pushes more female promotions its going to be forced to consider how to deal with their biological realities while maintaing peak family building and eugenic practices while utilizing them as a workforce. This is something Threeminds has been recently permitted to perform accidentally via the changed merit system.

What we don't know is HOW threeminds are going to consider this and go about it. Now it can access female manpower previously restricted to it and common classes as well. Except it's harder to adjust for females than male strata. The answer for threeminds is obvious. Fitter females are tougher and better able to keep up with males counterparts. If anons push for tomboys(especially as a Supreme) Threeminds will take this as a go ahead.

>>5251561
>Animals
Xeno nutthief expert time.

>>5251561
>Medicine

>>5251587
Lol . You really think
The Hegemony = Maaaaales!
Sure the Supreme is a male but...
The AIs are AIs.
Everyone else can be either of the two genders.

>>5251631
>>5251593

Did our totally-so-independent "tomboy" pledge allegiance to the government, the AI, the Supreme? Or to "man"?

>>5251561

>Aminals

>>5251561
>Gymnastics

I mean, I don't blame the dad for not trusting alphas, but damn man calm down.

>>5251561
>>Animals

>>5251635
Man. Which is hella interesting as "man" isn't any kind of ruling body. Makes me wonder if that is a pre-hegemony cultural artifact of tradition.

>>5251160
>first vote
We didn't even have a vote here. There was no choice, just completing the vow. People believed there was a choice, purely from Autism.

>>5251561
>Gymnastics
Love the amount of autism this quest gets.

>>5251561
>>Medicine

>tfw just caught up from the archives
Holy shit this quest is kino beyond kino

>>5251561
>Gymnastics
I don't have too strong of a personal preference, though. It's interesting to see Jaxtian society from the perspective of a normal citizen.

>>5251597
She was a Xeno-integration candidate I think, not the science one?

Also, since we have in our own way just TAKEN A VOW...

>Medicine
>Gymnastics

>>5251561
We’ve taken a vow as a Supreme Tier gi-WOMAN, now it’s time to double down!

>Animals
>Gymnastics

Time to investigate the nut-thieves up close in their natural habitats!

>>5251561
>>Gymnastics

Awww! Hwat Duolian looked so cute when she was nine years old!

Anyway,
>Gymnastics

>>5251561
>>Gymnastics

>>5251978
That's Kima. Hwat is her father.

>>5220487

>>5252010
>Kima turns put to be not a tomboy anime waifu, nor a feminist, but trans

HahahahaHAHAHAHA. Haaa.

Pretty sure that'd break the quest's base pretty hard, in a way women's rights alone didn't.

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>>5252010
Hmm... I'm sure he's just toying with our expectations like he has in the past but in any event, I'll give this thread a month or so for any potential shitstorms to die down.

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Gymnastics? You could do that. It's interesting to feel the limits of your body and how it can move- athletic ability is highly prized in the Hegemony for many reasons.

Your AI coach strongly recommends you read your history. According to the Hegemony's records; the ancient past of the degenerate democracy era were a terrible time for athletics. Most adults were severely out of shape, some even obese, while athletes were either extremely overpaid celebrities or underpaid disposable fodder for boxing and other dangerous sports. This is because in a capitalist society, athleticism is only prized as its ability to create capital, and not for itself.

The Hegemony has highly paid professional athletes. While some of what they do is related to competition and entertainment of course, much of what they do is to find the natural limits of Jaxtian biology as it relates to the genome. Full body medical and atomic scans are done of your body every few months for high detail simulations. They are also on call for emergency civilian response- strong bodies make for strong volunteers. Athletic record setting is also a goal in and of itself, with lifelong dividends of prize money paid for Jaxtians who set new records. Of course, athletes naturally fall of as they age, and so they transition into working as physical therapists, motion coaches, and have some of their very healthy tissues harvested for the various cloning and hormonal industries employed by the Fertility authority- especially for female athletes. Of course, ones ability to compete at the absolute highest levels is almost solely devoted to ones genetic potential; which you just so happen to have in spades.

Over the next four years, you devote yourself to studying your own body and its forms. Gymnastics is one of the greatest forms of athletic pursuit- girls don't have weightlifting divisions or contact sports, and this is the closest a female could get to a full body strengthening regime. Your coach, an old gymnast record setter herself, is especially hard on you so you can reach your fullest potential.

“Little grub! You have not yet wriggled out of your cocoon yet. In the next few years, your body will reach its absolute physical prime! When that time comes, you must be prepared, perfected in every way- never again will you have the chance to set the next record and to achieve such greatness! You must be ready!”

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*FWHIP!*

Completing a backwards flip, you land on the heels of your feet and balance with your tail, sticking the landing. It is only after you land do you realize there is someone not far from where you stopped... and it's a big man.

“Oh excuse me- oh my gosh! Radjo- is that you?”
“Oh! Kima, yeah, it's me! Wow you look so... different!”
”Oh- yeah, you too! Haha...”

He's looking at you so much differently now. It's something you never much experienced before- your drenched in sweat, wearing this tight gymnastic uniform. He's practically gawking over your body. It's weird but... kind of exciting, in a way. You can't believe how fast he's grown up too.

Your coach is over in a flash.

“What the- who is this?!”
”Oh- I- I am Radjo mam. I was told to bring back this equipment from the weightlifting room to-”
“A likely excuse! How old are ya boy?!”
”Thirteen, mam!”
“Thirteen!? I ain't never seen any boy, even an Alpha boy, that tall at Thirteen!”
”T-They say I'm a fast grower, mam!”
“Well boy, lemme give you some advice. If you want to stare at girls in compromising positions- go ask your AI for some porno on your damn phone. Git out!”
”N-no wait! I didn't do anything-! B-Bye Kima! See you later maybe?!-”

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One night, while on a rest day in your civilian clothes, you happen to pass by a room in your family's home with the low voice of your father and another man. You peek your head in the door a moment too late to realize who he is talking to.

“Someone is listening in, Hwat.”
”O-oh my gosh! I'm sorry to intrude!”

It's the Supreme Ruler! Cijan Anak! You know that your father and him are close friends, but you didn't expect this unannounced visit! The Supreme Ruler almost never goes somewhere unannounced; you've only ever seen him on digital displays or at a distance sometimes, in big parades. Even stranger, you see that your father is holding the imperial amulet- the symbol of the Supreme Ruler's power.

”Come on in Kima, come meet Cijan. Our great ruler- and the smartest bloke I know.”
”Greetings, Master.” You bow to him.
“Ahh, this is Kima, your daughter? I hear she is gearing up to break every female athletic record; you should be very proud.”
”I am proud.”
“You know, Kima, before you were born- your father was a real troublemaker. He refused to take life seriously; that all changed when his bundle of light came around.”
”Please, your grace, you're embarrassing me.”
”Father, why do you have the Imperial Medallion?”

They look at each other.

“I am leaving soon. The fleet is going on an extended campaign, and I will lead them.”
”And Cijan is trusting me to be in charge while he is gone. Isn't that exciting?! Say... Kima, want to touch it?”
“...In the old days, there would be a very harsh punishment for a civilian to dare touch the imperial symbol...”
”-Cijan, I JUST got done complimenting you...”

>Touch the Amulet
>Be too Scared

>>5253112
>Touch the Amulet

>>5253112
>>Touch the Amulet

>>5253112
>Touch the amulet

>>5253112
>Touch the Amulet

Please don’t punish me for my rash action your Supremacy!

>>5253112
>>Touch the Amulet

>>5253112
>Touch the Amulet
I doubt that this is some sort of bizarre trap. Why not?

Don't mind me..new to this board.
Just checking it out.

>>5253112
>Touch the Amulet
I trust Hwat.

>Do compliment Cijan on what an honor it is to be allowed to touch the supreme symbol of ruleship.

It is important to be polite.

If the supreme leader says it's okay, then it's okay, yeah?

>>5253112
>>Touch the Amulet

>>5253301
>Do compliment Cijan on what an honour it is to be allowed to touch the supreme symbol of rulership.
This. We're being allowed to, so do it with honour, respect and good graces to the holder of the office.

>Start brutally fucking Daizasta in front of everyone.

>>5253393
Sorry, wrong quest.

>>5253393
>>5253394
Keep that low tier retardation in your quest, this is a place for high level 'tism.

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>>5253393
>>5253394
>>5253407

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>>5253419

>>5253112
>Touch the Amulet

>>5253419
Changing my amulet from
>touch to amulet
to
>touch the shortstack milf booba
(but not actually)

>>5250565
>Space Monke is so big its got spin off games now
Kino

>>5250634
>Literally how many times already did we need our rulers to do something dangerous or get in combat?
None. Al the Supremes that put themselves in combat did so voluntarily. None of it was necessary.

>>5253531
>you should have just surrendered to the worms bro

>>5253539
Or not called the worm for a face to face meeting.

>>5253545
And you believe the worm would have accepted that?

>>5251173
>>5251096
>>5251121

People are so invested in fictional monke politics they spend time and money on BOTS for it?

>>5253547
He had no choice. He came to us in desperation, following our brutal genocide of his colony in the whale.

>>5253551
I think that's a glowie's bot that just happened to glitch in this quest.

>>5253555
That was the young worm. The older one that tried to kill him was the one that demanded he bowed before him (when he was there)

>>5253557
>glowie bots
>in /qst/

>>5253563
>Implying they are not everywhere.

>>5253112
>Touch the Amulet

>>5253559
Incorrect. The young worm rapidly grew to maturity through psychic forced puberty shenanigans.

>>5253419
>Well, NOW Radjo just HAS to give into those hormones and go for it. Kima will briefly wonder why he stopped showing up to see her, but then her life will take other paths. Perhaps in 30 years they might chance upon each other again, and finally Kima would understand why her coach seemed so much happier after that night.

>>5253675
Actually, the worm had grown a fair bit by the time eoba met it again.

>Touch the amulet

>>5253700
Regardless, it was the same young worm who survived our whale-liberation genocide.

>>5253112
>>Touch the Amulet

There is nothing good that could come of touching this amulet and everything bad. The Supreme Ruler hasn't given us permission and our father's position as temporary regent hasn't been remotely publicized. We're going to have some serious trauma or family fallout from this. I guarantee it. Here's to hoping Kima isn't crippled.

>>5253112
>Be too Scared

The sensible option.

>>5254589
Cijan hasn't come across as an especially unstable Supreme thus far. Crippling the child of the dude who you respect and trust enough to become next-in-line temporary Supreme, and doing so because she followed her father's advice, seems... Crazy.

>>5254589
Cijan doesn't seem like a schizophrenic mess who would stab a child half to death over merely touching the thing. Especially when he's smart enough to go "hey, don't listen to him, don't touch it".

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You reach out your hand tentatively. Your father brings it closer.

”Wow... so pretty.”

In the Hegemony, jewelry is not worn by common citizens. Even the very traditional practice of wedding rings or tail bands was considered a capitalist perversion in the early days of the Hegemony; and later rulers like Gaftar IV destroyed many of the priceless treasures for their rare earth metals; electronics being more important. Now with asteroid mining and the expansion of the empire, gold and silver could be commonly worn and used, it simply isn't for cultural reasons. Only the Supreme Ruler's medallion, Overseer's necklets, golden bands stitched into the sleeves of a uniform- these are some of the only jewelry around.

”It's not pure gold- there's a bunch of alloys and about nine million electronic components; like a heart rate monitor and AI key. Hey, do you want to know a little secret?”

Before you can even react, your father places it around your neck. It almost seems to pulse with a scary, yet intoxicating sense of importance. You look down as he raises it.

”Do you know why only the Supreme Ruler is allowed to wear the inverted symbol of the Hegemony? This is why. So when you look down, you see that the Hegemony is your body. You are its mind, its eye, and its voice- it is the instrument of your will. This is a secret only known by Supreme Ruler candidates, that feeling of being above the law is-”
“Hwat! Get that off her NOW!”
”...Alright, Cijan. I got carried away. I am sorry.”

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After your father retakes the medallion, he and Cijan talk a bit and then he says his goodbyes. The Supreme Ruler is great crusade, begins now- publicly announced tomorrow morning.

”The moment you return, your grace, I will return this to you.”
“And if I do not return, I expect you to rule justly in my stead! Farewell!”

That night, you go to bed still with the excitement of the day on your mind. When you fall to sleep, you have a dream.

Your dream is very vivid. You are naked, wearing jewels and the amulet of the Supreme Ruler, and as you walk through the field the men and women alike of the Hegemony bow to you. They worship you, and call you their queen. You move your hands and conduct the wind. The dreams ends as you gently wake up, feeling the warmth of satisfaction as the men of the Hegemony look to you as their goddess.

Oh no... what the hell was that?! Why did you have a dream like that? Is it some kind of deep seated desire for power- or a premonition? What's wrong with you, girl?!

There has never been a female Supreme Ruler, and there never will be. Men are stronger and smarter then women, this is well understood. The Supreme Ruler is a warrior, magician, lover, and king. The Supreme Ruler commands and the world obeys. He doesn't merely defeat the enemy, he tortures and destroys them to set an example for all who come later. Even the timing is messed up- Cijan is too young to be seeking a replacement now; and you'll be too old when he is ready to find the next Supreme Ruler- Cijan's own children, when he has them, would have a better chance then you.

But- is there really a reason there hasn't been a female Supreme? You know this already, and yet despite that the first inklings of ambition creep into your adolescent mind. Every challenge your tutors have laid out for you, you've beaten. You aren't proud, but you have the competitive edge and routinely defeat males of your age in test scores and other pursuits- even your gymnastic records show a great physicality- though you have no training in the noble art of dueling, you feel as though you'd be a natural study.

But... is this even something you want?

>Become Supreme
>Stay in your lane

>>5254647
>>Become Supreme

>>5254647
>Become Supreme
Don't think that it will work but trying would be interresting.

>>5254647
>Become Supreme
AIM FOR THE STARS. SO WHEN WE FALL DOWN, WE SHALL DIE TRYING.

>>5254647
>Become Supreme
I don’t like the ambition aspect, but I do like the idea of trying her best to become Supreme for the sake of her own personal development and growth as a young lady. At the very least, she’ll be a capable backup if Yuan starts causing trouble while King Richard is away. Besides, I think her learning how to duel would be epic.

>Cijan's own children, when he has them
>when
You mean now Cijan. I ain’t leaving you without a proper lineage.

>>5254647
>Become Supreme
Let's see how far we can go.
Does anyone else feel like, with all the POV shifts, we are being revealed the cast for Yuan's Happening?

>>5254610
>>5254637
Agori just has me... cautious.

>>5254647
>Become Supreme
Do I smell a coup?

>>5254711
Agori was an alpha who had a shit ton of self loathing in him. Unless we have another Alpha leader, I doubt we have to deal with that level of unwarranted aggression.

>>5254719
The problem is aggression would've been completely warranted. The symbol of the Hegemony is the fundamentally sacred foundation of Jaxtian society, it's the equivalent to a senator of Rome letting his daughter wear the emperor's purple robes for a lark. That's huge.

>>5254702
Yes. I can’t wait for Yuan to enact the Herd Mentality genome for Hegemony citizens.

>>5254719
>Unless we have another Alpha leader, I doubt we have to deal with that level of unwarranted aggression.

Lol

>>5254647
>>Become Supreme

>>5254647
>Become Supreme

It's time for Tomboy Supremecy.

>>5254647
>>Become Supreme
Bow down to the girlboss

>>5254730
Of course but I felt like if it was THAT big of an issue, Cijan would've shot Hwat down without even giving us the option to touch it.

>>5254647
>Become Supreme
Usually I wouldn't give a shit however I see nothing wrong with committing space war crimes as a female leader rather than a male one.

>>5254766
Exactly, I'm just paranoid.

This is a HORRIBLE idea, i'm telling you right damn now it's going to end horribly for everyone involved and make everything worse

Having a dumb "yaaaas qween" moment is not worth all the side effects this would cause

>>5254647
>Become Overseer for Xenointegration
(With one eye toward the Supreme spot if Cijan is lost suddenly on a timescale that might allow us a chance to get the position through merit)

Kima'a ambition will only bring her bad things. To become Supreme, then her father AND CIJAN would have to die - and two rulers dying accidentally will never happen. Not only that, she'd have to seize power before the AI picked another rule

This will only lead to bloodshed.

>>5254886
>>5254864
>Become Supreme

>>5254889
When It backfires i'll be there to call you a retarded moron

>>5254890
We choose the more interesting option, not the safe one.

>>5254647
>Study to take up your father's old position as defence administrator
We have not studied as a Supreme should study at this point, and I don't mean because of the lack of knife fighting. We also have a very impure motive. I must sadly vote against this iteration of Tomboy Supreme.

>>5254890
Risks must be taken to have a compelling story, Bananas is running a narrative quest covering the plights of an expansive galactic empire, sometimes we get glimpses and story arcs set in the eyes of a non Jaxtian who can either help or hinder us as a hegemony, my point being there is no lose situation, either we are watching the full history of this species rise to godhood, or we are watching a failed empire and how they fell, we are observers that influence the strings of fate ultimately unknowing of what the future holds, but as we walk these branching corridors picking threads to pluck and follow we see a story unfold for better or worse. Us making Kima strive for Supremacy could easily fuck up the entire empire, but holy shit wouldnt that be a funny few threads?
>first female supreme
>cries over pressure
>constantly mocked
>bad at driving=bad at ruling?
Now on the otherhand
>Fit athletic no emotion tomboy
>Powerful seductress?
>Women in Jaxtian society are submissive and hold no power, with this shift in the power dynamic we can be a truly united Jaxtian species, our military would at least double in size and it could open entirely new tech ideas with the slew of new research
You may hate this prompt but the story/stories and the observations others will make and have you consider opens up your mind, you are becoming a more learned individual through all of this pseudoscience and autism. Not to any useful degree kek butenough that now you care about blue space monkeys on a Somalian BBQ forum

>>5254647
>>Become Supreme

If she can actually make the scores and compete with the best then she will deserve it. That is the way succession is supposed to work now.

And besides trying to be a 'better' society it would definetly make the story more interesting than just having female jaxtians be always relegated to backround roles.

>>5255061
>our military would at least double in size and it could open entirely new tech ideas with the slew of new research
Literally the most retarded idea ever. That'd require an entirely different training standard, not to mention opening up the problems of rape as well as romantic relations between soldiers which would SEVERELY fuck up efficiency of overall soldiers, they'd be much more likely to refuse an order.

>>5255101
>And besides trying to be a 'better' society it would definetly make the story more interesting
Being a generic nation with no real specific cultural values that matter is more interesting? We've already removed the genetic caste. What's next? Giving full citizenship to aliens? Democracy?

>>5255105
>Ignoring literally my entire post
There is no argument here tard, we picked what we wanted because we wanted to have another historical event, again Kima could crash and burn, she could also become the most likeable supreme weve ever had and guess what thatd be fine because Bananas would play it out in a way that was interesting to the story, youre here to read the story and vote, dont like how its going? Bitch more, but dont do it to me you fucking dumpster baby

>>5255108
Yes.

>inb4 Kima goes full Hatshepsut to skirt the law that only males can be Supreme Ruler
Fuck, I think I've realized the implications of the trans-references earlier.

>>5255115
The idea that any decision is fine because "it'll be interewesting either way" is retarded, might as well burn down jaxt for no reason if that's the case

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>>5255121

>>5255121
Go Hatshepsut... or go Yadwiga?
>instead of going trans, she's granted 'legally male' status as long as she's Supreme

>>5255127
>burn down Jaxt for no raisin
This is also a boring choice, as it just goes lolsorandumb. It's the for no reason part, Jaxt burning due to civil strife or ayy invasion could trigger a period of Hegemonic rebuild and reform and accelerate scientific progress.
Tl;dr: oh ye of little imagination, do you want a Mary Sue of an empire?

>>5255136
>do you want a Mary Sue of an empire?
I prefer it when an empire's struggles aren't just the cause of players choosing for stupid stuff on purpose

>>5255138
Ah, but stupid is relative. Was the decision to duel the worm stupid? Was bringing the cursed heavy metal poisoning asteroid stupid? Was locking the miners and telling them to clean up Liminals stupid? Was not allowing Ingar his blonde sweetheart stupid?
Every decision we make is calculated. Or, viewed the other way around, every decision could lead to stupid results.

>>5255150
Eh...none of those options were particularly stupid. There wasn't much choice, and in the ones that there were, the risks were small.

However, some decisions are too stupid. I'd say encouraging the woman who had an dream about worshipped like some sort of goddess on the path that will either result in the death of cijan and her own father or worse to follow this path is stupid. There isn't even any benefit to it's positive outcome.

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Yes... you could do it. You could become the first female Supreme Ruler. You're smart, talented, physically fit- and you could become dedicated. So very dedicated.

Of course, you don't think Cijan or Hwat are bad Supreme Rulers- far from it. If anything, Cijan's infrastructure projects and scientific focus after the Eoba reforms have seriously advanced the empire. But perhaps its time for something new- a new perspective on Supremacy.

The only issue; your sex. You are a female, and females aren't allowed to undergo the training for Supreme Rulers. Normally on the highest gene-ranked male infants are put on the beginnings of the programs- but after Eoba, the selection process has become more merit based. There is no reason you couldn't achieve to the same level that male Jaxtians have. However, even with these reforms, these programs still don't select girls- you still couldn't be considered for the program. But that is where you have an ace up your sleeve.

Your Dad.

Hwat is currently the Supreme Ruler of the Hegemony in Cijan's stead. This means all the laws, resources, and traditions of the Hegemony is his to command. While he has become more protective of you as you became a woman, you're still a daddy's girl and you've got him wrapped around your little finger. On top of this, you know he isn't above bending the rules a little bit- you hear he's been diverting some research funds towards his own shelved pet project, some anti-nuclear weapons thing, that he wanted to make for decades but could never secure the funding for. You could convince him to open a few doors for you.

While your early steps in your athletic career have been good to build up your body and muscle memory, the various mental and physical disciplines practiced by Supreme Ruler candidates are unexplored territory for you. Things like debate and politics, leadership skills, and dueling. You've got a lot of catching up to do...

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”Oh fuck... Kima... you're so fucking hot...”

Your name is now Radjo Berax, and you just got done furiously masturbating in a bathroom stall. This is the eighth time today. It is just past lunch.

You feel a rising sensation of shame; not from the masturbation- but from what you masturbated to. Kima- your closest childhood friend. You've tried not to think about when you saw her dancing around in the gymnasium in that skintight suit, but it's so easy to set you off at your age and level of testosterone.

”...Power off. I need to get back to class.”

In the Hegemony, young men are encouraged to masturbate. The Hegemony equips you with AI-generated pornographic programs and “girlfriend” simulators; though you and your friends all have different selections. You know one guy who gets only indigo women- like the government is trying to give him a fetish or something. This goes many times over for Alpha males. You happen to need some “alone time” more often then most Alpha males even of your age. While you hope your sexual urges start to plateau eventually, you don't know how you're going to make it through if your coaches actually start limiting your porn habit to cycle your testosterone for weight lifting...

When you were younger, you didn't think about girls or sex at all. You just wanted to run and play and have fun. And your best friend was a girl- Kima. She was the only one of your group that could keep up with you- you always had this incredible endurance ever since you were a kid- you could run all day until the sun went down. Only Kima could keep up with you. You never imagined that she'd grow up to be so cute! I mean, you always knew she of the genetic upper crust, but it really comes out when you go through puberty you guess...

It had been a few years since you saw each other- only random chance brought you both into your athletic careers and training- and you just so happen to share a gymnasium. Maybe you should try talking to her again, see if you can catch up? The more you think about it, the more you think you just like being around her. Truthfully, you're an Alpha male, but yet you've never even considered trying to court a woman before. Maybe you should try with Kima? What does that little voice in your head say?

>"It's a good idea!"
>"You're a damn idiot!"

>>5255166
>"It's a good idea!"

>>5255166
>"You're a damn idiot!"

>"It's a good idea!"
Maybe if they have children together we'll have an supreme alpha that isn't a complete fucking lunatic

>>5255131
F*t* isn't my fetish, convoluted bureaucracy is.

>>5255134
That's what I was implying.

>"If you are going to give it a shot, be really freaking cautious. You will need the Supreme Ruler's blessing."

>>5255166
>"You're a damn idiot! Even if we try it eventually - NOW WITH CRAZY HORMONES IS NOT THE TIME! Try and reconnect with her as a friend, sure; and if by some miracle she's the one who makes moves on us we're not going to really try and stop them landing; but until things plateau we will be a Gentleman AND NOT PISS OFF HER ACTING-SUPREME FATHER."

>>5255166
>"It's a good idea!"

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>>5255117

>>5255209
Smart play. Supporting.

>>5255166

>>5255209
+1

>>5255209
+1. Let's not piss off one of the most powerful men right now, thanks.

>>5255290
Plus, if Hwat disappears his daughter's hunky childhood best friend, chances if her regiciding him increase dramatically.

>>5255166
>"It's a good idea!"
Awww, Kima is already creating her simps! I think Kima should wrap this idiot around her finger.

>>5255209
+1

>>5255166
Also, not making any moves on Daizasta? You shame your proud Alpha lineage Radjo!

>>5255319
On the other hand, a trust with Daizasta can only end in disasta.

>>5255322
Your implying that teenage Alphas think clearly when hormones are pumping though their veins. Clearly a tryst or ten with Daizasta will clear the head and improve his social standing with his mates and clearly end in disasta, but where’s the fun in admitting that?

>>5253394
Nigger

>>5255209
>>5255166

+1

>>5255339
MY nigga.

>>5255209
Backing.

>>5255209
This is big brain strategy right here.

>>5255173
>Bitches about stupid decisions and cites how females are gonna end up raped
>proceeds to vote for stupid decision that is practically a setup for rape
>>5255209
+1 big brain over here, I like it

>>5255166
>What does that little voice in your head say?

Opps, sorry, skipped over that bit. This is clearly the correct choice for Radjo’s little head voice.

>Start brutally fucking Daizasta in front of everyone.

>>5255209
Support

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>>5254647
Oh God we've made Monke Sarasa Uchiha

>>5255209
+1

>>5255166
>"It's a good idea!"

>>5255209
+1

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You decide to play it cool and try to reconnect with Kima, you don't want to come on too strong. After all, you've never dated a woman before; especially not one as talented and beautiful as her.

“Hey Kima! What- What's with the getup... Is that-?”

”Radjo! Uhh, hello. Yes, I am currently undergoing some big training right now. Don't really have any time to talk.”

“Oh, well, that's okay! I know you're very busy with your gymnastics and... now this.”

”Yes.”

“...Well, um, I really wanted to talk to you again after all this time, you know. Because I feel like we're growing up and we might go our seperate ways and that makes me feel sad. I just wanted to say that, uhh, I wasn't looking at you for porn reasons like your coach lady said- I mean, what happened the other day-”

”Radjo, hehe, you're silly. Here, let's add each other as friends on the AI network.”

“Really?! Okay!”

You pull out your phones and your AI automatically pings hers to make the connection. Obviously, it heard what you were talking about in your pocket and using the context made it easy- such is the way of modern AI technology in the Hegemony.

“Wow- you have Hegemonic seal over your profile! That's so cool.”

”Mhmm. Thanks. I need to get going now, nice to see you again, Radjo.”

“Oh- okay, see you later Bye!”

YES! Nailed it! You got her contact. The network is all public- so that means she is willing to friend you online where everyone can see! I mean, she has like hundreds of friends on there, seems like girls always do, but still, you're in! You're going to feel good about this all day no matter how sore your muscles get...

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You are back to being Kima Dulioan. Today is your first day of knife practice.

You enter the Red Room; a very exclusive place. Very few have ever even seen the inside of one of the exclusive dueling clubs on Jaxt.

“What the hell?”
“Hmm?”
“Is that a girl? What's going on?”

You feel a bit nervous as you walk towards the instructor. His family is the Usano bloodline- the duelists who have been teaching Supreme Ruler candidates since time immemorial.

”Dulioan! Glad you can make it, and you aren't late. This isn't the same as a regular classroom you may be used to- all of our work is hands on or observation. Glad you could join us. You will be paired with Val- he's the shortest. I can't say I've ever taught a female student seriously before, but the basic mechanics of body motion should be roughly equivalent-”

“No no- I am NOT doing this! This is bullshit!”

”Val! Shut up, get into position.”

“No! I am not fighting a girl!”

”She is more then physically qualified to-”

“That's the whole point! You're making ME fight her, no matter what- I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't! If I beat her it looks bad, if she beats me, it's even worse! You can't be seriously throwing away over a millennia of tradition to allow this! We could be Supreme Rulers one day, she-”

”ENOUGH!” The instructor roars, putting a hand on his knife. The other, younger males in the room freeze up.

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”Listen to me carefully, Boy. You will never be the Supreme Ruler. None of you will. You come from powerful families yes, but Cijan is our Supreme Ruler. He is not near the age of retirement and selection yet. And unlike what your little Kingmaker parents believe, he will not die on this grand crusade of his he has just undertaken- and even if he did, Hwat, who is this young lady's father, is of the same age. I instructed Cijan before you- and I can promise none of you are even on his level. You are here to continue the tradition of scholarship and prestige, a single woman will not be a drain on any resources or time that will go to someone who may actually become the Supreme Ruler. Now, Val. Get. Into. Position.”

The blonde, the one who spoke the outburst in the first place, glumly walks to the wall to take a combat knife. The other two young males are looking at you, and each other. You get the feeling they're going to start whispering and making fun of the blonde... or you.

”Dulioan.” The instructor says, motioning to you. At his feet is a fine wooden box, with a glass top. Unlocked via AI order, the luxurious glass case holds two small knives. You can tell from here they're real- they look sharp.

”...Normally, my trainees are taught in exactly one weapon- the combat knife. This blade is the traditional weapon of Supreme Rulers since Akule, Unspeakable, Indomitable, may his name echo forever. However, given your unique circumstances, I happen to have another weapon available- my students train until they are masters of their weapons- or they are expelled from the program and shamed. Whichever you decide, stick with it.”

The other weapon is a stiletto. It's a much more “feminine” weapon- and you can already tell why he offered it to you. The weapon is a bit more fragile then a combat knife- meaning your grip is less likely to break it- and with a thinner blade that will be much easier to actually... force a knife into someone's body and kill them. It will require much less upper body strength to do that. But the blade is much thinner and the crossguard smaller- it will lack defense.

But will taking it make you look weak? Is this some kind of test? Which should you take?

>Knife
>Stiletto