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Within the chamber incense came out of every vent available to the Priests of Lucius. Around them the clicking and clunking of metal rang throughout the place as the Tech Priests of Lucius came to assemble themselves for what was one of the greatest trials in history. Many would even say it was not the desire to see the event, but their obligation as Tech Priests that brought them to this stage.

Many on the planet of Lucius would not be able to attend. Even with the full effort and might of the planet it has yet to create a stadium that could accompany all Tech Priests of any side to this post. Thus the entire event was broadcasted through both official hard data link channels and unofficially through the numerous Noospheric broadcasts created by those in attendance.

The Noosphere was alit with activity and thought as all gossiped and wondered about the coming event. Many felt a support for the Arch Dominus while many others have lost their lands, manufactoriums, and bodies in the second incursion that struck the gleaming heart that was Lucius.

As these souls came the High Court that was coming into attendance also came in. The first to appear was the Arch magos ADM1N. Said man could be called the third strongest Tech Priest in military power thanks to his dominion and administration of the Legio Titanicus Legio Astorum. A veteran of all the Plastoid Crusade and passive supporter of the Expansion Crusade the man has seen levels of fighting few who stayed upon the Forge World have. The man’s emotions about the coming topic is mixed and tense as he has mixes of annoyance, surprise, and respect for the person on the trial today.

The next to come in was Arch Magos R3KT. Leader of the Genetors he had worked closely with the person on trial today for several years to the point that they could roughly be described as apprentice and master. Though if one were to ask the Arch Magos these days he would claim them as partners in advancing the human genome. Indeed, the subject of today proved himself even his superior in genecraft.

After then several others began to tunnel into the room like the horde of Tech Priests below. One of these Tech Priests was Arch Magos K00LT. ‘Mother’ of the apprentice to the subject, this held the esteemed authority over everyday Naval Activities. She thought to herself about things, about how her power was hampered by the subject here today.

The ebb of Tech Priests, due to their habits of organization, seemed to cut off in an instant as they found the most efficient means to arrange themselves in this sacred hall.

With the Tech Priests, both of the High Court and of the lower masses, finally arriving in their positions the highest ranking of all stepped forward.

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The Fabricator General was a small man whose flesh slowly withered throughout the years. It was not because he neglected bionics but instead it was the sheer age of the man. His body lacked the majority of his original limbs as instead the Genetors opted to graft upon the old one a series of organic augmetics. That however to the man was before the time of the current High Council, before the current cropping of Arch Magos Genetors came to propagate. At last, he kept his sanity for long enough by employing a method of steady replacement recommended by those of the past.

He finally sat himself upon the Throne of Lucius, an item that he had commissioned around three thousand years ago. The name of the maker, Adept Artificer L0G4N, was a good fellow that earned such patronage by exhibiting a talent the Fabricator only saw in two others.

One of those men was the subject of this Court Session today. To a normal human it would have been an hour ago but to the Fabricator General he recognized it as fifteen years ago. As an infant spawned from the Warp through a teleportation array by the esteemed Magos C4R and his assistant E11IE. He ordered the Genetors to scan the boy for any forms of teleportation induced taint or mutation but instead they found the next stage in human evolution.

That day the Fabricator General realized the truth of the matter. How the boy, sung by the Machine Spirits, would become the greatest figure of the Galaxy. From both shadow and light the Fabricator General gave support to the boy in the form of securing rights to Particep Semper and building the next generation of humanity. Upon giving the boy his Omnissian Axe, the one who lost his own name decided to help the boy create his own.

Abhuman Superior One proved himself to exceed any thoughts or expectations the nameless one gave him. Not only had he exact his revenge but thought effort reunited the remnants of the Federation into a cohesive whole that proved monstrously useful the day Mars finally came back. It gave them enough ability to threaten Mars into giving his old position back.

The Fabricator General could not express his thanks to the Arch Dominus enough. That was something that could not possibly be mistaken.

The Fabricator General looked upon the assembly of bowing Tech Priests for a moment, +Protocol 11544; you are all permitted to raise your heads in my presence.+

The Trial would now begin.

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+Today’s hearing is for that of the Arch Dominus TalOS DAV1S. The Arch Dominus, under his authority as the highest ranking Tech Priest within the system, declared Protocol One. In accordance with the Protocol the actions of that Tech Priest are to be reviewed and scrutinized from that moment forward. Before its declaration the Arch Dominus would be expected to submit grand strategy plans to his lessors for cursory review. Upon invoking that, he revoked one of the core tenants that Lucius and the Mechnicum was built upon.+

Upon giving that Speech the Fabricator General paused for a moment as TalOS guessed he was waiting for any slow cogitators to catch up.

+This in itself is not a crime. I myself during times of great strife took direct command of Lucian forces to fend off unwanted invaders. What matters is the situation that caused the invocation to happen and were the actions taken reasonable during that time.+

+Arch Dominus TalOS, I call you to the floor.+

With orders given TalOS stepped forward onto the floor welding within his hands the Omnissian Axe. There were minor laws against carrying large scale weapons into the Court but the Omnissian Axe was a symbol of his achievement within the Mechanicum. It was a badge of office and declaration of what achievements he had done. TalOS specifically brought it just for these facts.

+Arch Dominus, can you affirm that on 10.560.813.M30 that you declared Protocol 1.+

+I do affirm that declaration.+

The Fabricator General nodded as he heard that, +And what was the reason for this action?+

+It was to instruct our fleet to flee into the Orkoid held territories in what recently was declared the Grail System.+

+And your reasoning.+

+We had determined that the Mitu were capable of foresight through warp magics beyond anything we could have known.+ TalOS stated the circumstance, +As shaking them off would not succeed, and splitting off the fleet would have resulted in destruction of our ships, I determine that if we were to enter Orkoid Space that the Orks would attack the much larger Mitu Collective and give us a moment to flee to Lucius.+

+Did it work?+

+Better than I possibly could have calculated.+ TalOS told the Fabricator General.

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With that done the Fabricator General turned his attention towards those directly underneath him, +At this moment the High Council is allowed to question the plaintiff. All questions must stay relevant to the matters presented by the Court.+

The first among those to stand up was Arch Magos ADM1N who spoke the words TalOS knew was coming, +As I understand it these actions led to the devastation of visiting Lucius. Do you believe this action led to destruction wrought?+

+I do not, Arch Magos.+ TalOS told the venerable Magos outright, +While we did infact lead the Mitu to Lucius through our actions, the Orkish Warband was already well on its way towards attacking this planet.+

+And why were there no defenses to protect Lucius from that event?+

+The plan was to keep fighting in the most recently conquered regions of space. The reason is unknown as to why the Orks had a single minded pursuit to attack Lucius.+ TalOS stated while sending a series of documents to the Arch Magos and the Court.

+That is my thought matrix finished.+ Declared the Arch Magos as he sat down.

TalOS admitted things could have been worse, but the Arch Magos said everything that needed to be said. TalOS couldn’t really hold it out against the Arch Magos as ultimately he was right in hindsight. It was hindsight though, and that was the reason he did not pressure TalOS on the issue. Though judging from the feeling in his voice ADM1N was no longer holding it against the Arch Dominus.

After those words the rest of the High Court waited and processed the information. TalOS could tell a majority of them were not really able to come up with any subtle or powerful rebukes to TalOS’s plan. It was a plan that only the greatest of minds could make realize, and TalOS in fact did just that.

+Your defence to that, Arch Dominus TalOS.+ The Fabricator General declared.

>Point out what happened afterwards.
>Put pressure on the facts of the time. How cornered they were
>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.

>>5255413
>Point out what happened afterwards.

>>5255413
>Put pressure on the facts of the time. How cornered they were

I don't really know what this is trying to say. is the point that no matter what we did the Mitu would have followed us home?
>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.

>>5255430
Essentially, if you put defenses in the way of Lucius that Lucius would have been noticed.

>>5255409
Upvote the archives you fags
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM

>>5255413
>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.
The reason we went ont he raids was to distract the Mitu so they would take longer to attack, wasn't it? And it worked, the attack took long enought that the fortress was ready.

>>5255413
>>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.
Any concentration of force would certainly have drawn the attention of the Mitu psychic choirs. In fact we kept the xenos occupied with our own fleet actions and allowed Lucius time to build up critical infrastructure and production capacity, largely in part due to our optimization of manufactorum policess and consensus building among our vassal planets. (Displays spreadsheets proudly)

>>5255443
I can't since I was the one that did it, Machine QM or whoever usually does the archiving will have to do it in my place

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>>5255413
>Present everything via a mathematical proof solution that all other options not taken by us would have resulted in inferior probabilities of success

Words and arguments of speech are a human invention and an inferior defense. But the holy mathematics of the Machine God is writ into the fabric of the universe and predates mankind, and speaks in a voice older and with more authority than any other form of logic.

There's a canon line that when every forgeworld goes to war, they have already factored in each probability and have only chosen to do so when they have ensured the best victory percentages among all available data. And so it is with Talos.

Let the numbers be our defender in the court.

>>5255465
Also if this fits an existing option I'm totally fine with folding it into the closest thing.

>>5255465
>support

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>>5255465
>Supporting
This is very fitting for a techpriest

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>>5255410
>Thus the entire event was broadcasted through both official hard data link channels and unofficially through the numerous Noospheric broadcasts created by those in attendance.

+++---+++ Reacting to Arch Dominus TalOS Trial LIVE +++---+++

>>5255433
in that case my vote is.
>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.

>>5255465
This is not a write in that can replace the others, desu. It can reinforce the argument but I don't see it being an argument by itself.

I wanted to put the Black Swan Theory as a write in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory but this is not enough as well. QM did mention it through ADM1N's thought matrix; everything is being reviewed in hindsight. And I am inclined to believe the Arch Magos of the Legio Astorum was supporting us by stating the obvious for TalOS to answer.
>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.

The main beef is that TalOS actions lead to Lucius' invasion by the Mitu. Even if the Orks were the ones that did the largest damage AND were 100% going there. Damn, the Arch Dominus risked EVEYRTHING to save Lucius

"Even though I did lead the Mitu to our planet, it was to save it." Orks being the real threat, I took all the measures possible to take ADVANTAGE of having the two sworn enemies fight each other...

Known as the "Hollow Forge," a name earned by the artificial sun that sits within the hollowed-out centre of the planet, all born upon the Forge World take pride in achieving that which others deem impossible. The burning star held within the centre of Lucius is perhaps the greatest testament to its people's success beyond expectations, for the artificial sun provides near-boundless power to the Forge World while also sealing its fate, for all, including the Tech-priests of Lucius itself, know that a day must come when the artificial sun's containment will fail and the Forge World will be consumed by its fury. Where some might view such a construction as careless, those that hail from Lucius hold firm in their belief that death in pursuit of innovation is the greatest sacrifice one can offer the Omnissiah.

Amongst the many ancient Mechanicum sects that called Lucius their home, all held the unchangeable belief that the eventual consumption of Lucius by solar event will ascend its people to walk alongside the Omnissiah and, with such a path laid out before them, failure before such a prescribed time is impossible. Until that moment, the servants of Lucius are bound to stride forth across the galaxy, bringing His glory to the ignorant and malcontent.
based...

>>5255619
>This is not a write in that can replace the others
> It can reinforce the argument
I'm fine with that desu, I'm just not sure which argument it may align with specifically is all.

If I were to hazard a wager it would be
>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.
As showing that any proposed alternatives were considered and deemed inferior. and we have the Machine God's proof to back it up.

In this case, literal mathematical proofs.

>When Mars and Lucius were reconnected, the Titans of the Legio Astorum were moved to the forefront of the Great Crusade, where the Titan Legion's preference for swift spearhead assaults saw it become a valued part of many expeditionary fleets. Supplied as it was by a vast network of engine forges constructed across the surface of Lucius, the Titan Legion was readily split across the galaxy, offering aid to many who requested it. Unlike those Titan Legions that proved loath to separate its forces too greatly, the Warp Runners held no qualms towards forming dozens of smaller battlegroups, retaining only a singular demi-legio numbering 50 god-engines in close vicinity to Lucius at all times.

Wait what? https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Legio_Astorum
Well Horus personally requested the Knights not the Titans... I didn't take in account that we had such a powerful unit.

>>5255634
I agree, that is the option that is the closest to an... eeh... integer? yeah numbers

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Last spam post from the night. Look at this COOL AS FUCK banner. I want this in my wall

>>5255647
I think you missed the most awesome part. They teleport.

>>5255653
I imagine that makes for some very useful opportunities when it comes to Capital ship warfare with big huge open spaces inside.

Not to mention defense of the Blackstone Fortress, when you can teleport them around to critical locations.

>>5255635
The Titans and Knights of Lucius are best known for their teleporting anon. When they fought off an entire Nid Fleet solo they mass teleported entire armies(titans included) into and out of the battlefield back into their safe fortresses to be repaired/rescued and scorched all the nid flesh before recycling all their own fallen to rebuild their fallen forces(see denying the nids their own biomass and using their own strategy's against them) is how they won that war. Well that and entrenching themselves. It's how Lucius did what was previously thought to be impossible and fought off an ENTIRE NID HIVE FLEET SOLO.

Lucius fighting against the Nids was definitely one of the most badass Nid vs Admech Wars ever.

Lucius combat doctrine as a result stresses mobility(see teleporting fucking everywhere ESPECIALLY their titans). Lucius really loves their mass and supersized teleporting.

>>5255627
Lucius admech was always the one with the biggest balls. There is a reason why they were the only ones who ever challenged the position of Mars.

>>5255413
>Any solution would have revealed lucius, the enemy were heading there anyway. These attacks bought time for the fortress to be constructed.

>>5255465
>supporting

>>5255413
>Any solution would have revealed lucius, the enemy were heading there anyway. These attacks bought time for the fortress to be constructed.

>>5255465
>+1 Support

>>5255413
>>Elect the point that ultimately such a solution would have brought attention to Lucius.

>if we can, back it up with numbers
>>5255465

>>5255668
>>5255653
>>5255719
but what I don't underatand is that the wiki says that they are known for stressing their titans to the limit and going FASTA. Of course! believing
>the wiki says
is definitely a mistake from my part and I should be reading some books about it. What books feature Lucius awesome balls? Does Tal0S have balls? It doesn't matter if they work or not, we just gotta have some to Tea Bag Mars with

>>5256073
Their teleportation is in the wiki too, just that it's in the Lucius page instead of the legion's.

>>5256073
This is also why I go to extended length to look up the citations of the Wiki and then find the specific book/novel the information is from, even if they aren't there specifically.

That being said, Teleportation is going to need to be one of Talos greatest assets one day.

Not just teleporting himself (which is cool) but also teleporting reinforcements in when he's under risk of assassination. It's the next best thing to having tesseract pocket armies (something else he'd certainly be interested in if we ever happen upon it).

The main issue is Imperial Warp Technology is still, being a warp adjacent tech, vulnerable to warp interference. That is, until we learn Necron Quantum teleportation tech, which is not.

>>5256107
https://youtu.be/-6TR4PfVJGI?t=11
TalOS vs The emperor of mankind, colorized

>>5256110
Exactly.
Only maybe more relevant to Angron or whoever Horus sends against us.

>>5256113
but I wanna fight big daddy :(

>>5256114
Maybe one day we can battle him in duels of wits and strength.

Testing out new armor models and pitting them against his
Doing robot battles
Discussing and uncovering ancient history together

We've bought him some time to breathe and have accelerated the Great Crusade. And it is evident he is capable of spending free time and having fun. (Just look at all the Sensei he left behind)

Point out what happened
>>5255422

Facts of the time

Elect the point would have brought attention to Lucius
>>5255589
>>5255446
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>>5255634
>>5255980
>>5255765
>>5255946

-_- Yeah its admech but thats kinda lazy and the person who pointed it out was correct that it does not erase the previous ones.
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>>5256570
I mean, I could try to write more but you mention wanting write-ins to be short and sweet so finding the balance is difficult. It's also why I ask you if you ever want some clarification or additional elaboration for it to be a viable option, otherwise silence usually indicates its okay so it's kinda hard to make changes when its like, right for the time of the vote. So I'm caught in a predicament.

I'm thinking maybe a good compromise is making a
>Short-green text write in
and then following it up with a much longer elaboration post? So what you see on your screen is an easy greentext but you'll have a more detailed post to refer to. I'm mostly irked that it's written as the lazy option rather than the fluff option because I am definitely willing to write more on it.

Tbh I like to think Mathematics and Computive-Logic are likely a preferred form of speech for many techpriests, rather than the archaic human tongue. Maybe acts as a form of legal language too. What is law, after all, but a series of protocols. A program.

In any case, I'm quite I'm fine with any of the three pre-set options. I just wanted to be able to disprove, with the addition of the blessed mathematics and the equations of war, those who insist on why other alternatives were not taken.

>>5256599
Exactly what I want! It makes it easier to understand what you want for both myself and others. My only issue with your write in is that it did not have any meat in it. Yeah TalOS could present his stance in numbers, but that only gives limited understanding and TalOS was trying to justify coming up with those numbers. After all, without the Protocol, those numbers would have caused immediate mutiny.

>>5256600
Alright! I'll do that from now on.

Truth be told I think what i wrote still fits the "any solution would have revealed Lucius". The Orks were confirmed to have already been headed for lucius prior to our interaction with them, thus the visitation of the Orks upon Lucius was not our fault. We did in fact propose to the High Council an operation to attempt to buy further time by limiting Lucius void signature and creating a decoy, but time and resource constraints foiled this alternative.

Given that, we chose the option which resulted in the most interference between the Mitu Fleet and the Orks while concordantly resulting in the highest number of ships survival to fight in the battle.

It follows then that we could show via actual percentages and projections, how much more damage Lucius would have suffered if the fleet we arrived with was diminished in size or the Orks arrived here sooner due to other alternatives, as well as the increased probabilities of total annihilation if the Blackstone Fortress or ourselves were not available for the battle.

The arrival of Horus and the Emperor was an incalculable variable that could not be predicted into the calculations at the time. Had we known their arrival immiment it is likely our calculations and actions would adjust to that, but it it is as the Magos says, hindsight.

tl;dr "any solution would have revealed Lucius" is still correct. And we have the math to prove it.

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We can probably even cook up actual holographic/mental projections of how much more damage Lucius would suffer had we chosen alternatives to Protocol 1.

"And here is what the planet would look like if I had been lost or delayed in space due to scattering the fleet. Likelihood of total subjugation by Ork/Mitu increases by 98%, with a 2% likelihood of them managing to detonate the core"

>>5256611
Alright, thats kinda cool, but I already finished writing that part of the update. Sorry.

>>5256613
Darn. I mean, you could just add a line or two right? It's not that hard to say "and Talos was even able to display via noosphere exactly the outcome of any alternatives"

I'll be extra clear on asking if any clarification is needed next time, I shouldn't have taken silence for granted.

>>5256628
I am aiming to get this all written before eight my time. So you don't feel too slighted, I am writting four pages worth of material tonight.

Have faith that our fellow techpriests are smart enough to see Talos' reasoning and do the numbers themselves.
Woe to whomever is stupid enough to ask a techpriest Primarch "prove it". Talos could bury them in a mountain of calculations and shame.

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TalOS took a moment to think to himself and planned out the defence. Though TalOS also wondered to himself if he was just doing it for show or genuinely trying to figure out what he should declare. TalOS had to place weight in the former category though as he was surely trying to verify that the defence that he was going to present to the Court and the Priests of Lucius was a good one. The last thing that TalOS wanted to do was cause his people to despair at his answer.

Ultimately he kept himself calm during these moments. The smell of incense coming across his senses helped more than anything else the Primarch could have hoped for.

+Ultimately, my plan was to keep Lucius hidden from the outsiders.+ TalOS declared as he finally solidified his argument, +Lords of Lucius, it had come to my understanding that the Plastoids were by proxy a protector of Lucius for they were corrupted xenos from what might have been an age ago for the Xenos. The Mitu were not yet aware of their ultimate demise at our hands.+

TalOS took in a breath and allowed the incense to cloud his mind for a moment, +The tactic that the Plastoids used against Lucius when we turned to attack them was something they used in the entire region. Attacking wayward ships in the warp through teleportation as if they were daemons themselves.+

To those words chatter began to erupt within the numerous chat rooms of the silent assembly. The Tech Priests did not speak a single word lest they ruin the defense of an ultimately respected member of their society.

+The Mitu Collective feared this tactic. Such a fearsome way to attack your enemies at the moment they were most vulnerable and calm. The Mitu, aware of such a threat, had cordoned off our part of the system in an attempt to keep the dreadful Plastoids from reaching anything more than their desolate planet. The chance of them testing this case was at 1.3%.+

TalOS gave a wave to the room after those words, +We had destroyed the Plastoids. We had survived their attacks and brought armageddon to their world. The Mitu however did not know of this and continued their cordon of fear. If I were to act as the Arch Magos suggest, then they would have learned of the Plastoid defeat and Lucius’s ascendence. The chance was in our favor.+

TalOS allowed himself a moment to allow everyone to understand his words. It was a long moment that TalOS knew would decide his fate but he trusted his own words and the minds of Lucius. He was not some charlatan trying to hide his crimes but a direct touch into his thoughtprocess.

+My actions that day revealed that the Orks were driven to Lucius for no reason other than their insanity. Maybe they felt their doom at the presence of the Blackstone Fortress or the prowess of Lucius. Either way, I delayed both sides from arriving at Lucius long enough for the Fortress to activate and the Machine God to bless us with the Imperium of Man.+

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TalOS finished his words to a silent court. However the chats within the Noosphere demonstrated that TalOS had indeed awakened a congratulations and applause from his audience.

+If that is your defence Arch Dominus TalOS we will move on to the vote by our Brothers and Sisters of the Mechanicus.+ Declared the Fabricator General, +Initiating Protocol 146.+

Upon those words the Noosphere created a polling system that instantly began recording the votes of the numerous Tech Priests that attended the session today. TalOS knew for a fact this was not just those here in the flesh but those who had watched it from afar in their Manufactoriums. After all, Lucius could not stop rebuilding for a single trial now could it.

As data flew over TalOS’s head he could not help but take a moment to awe at what was happening. That an entire world in an instant discussed with one another the situation and determined it with their own logic matrixes.

It went on for twelve minutes. While Noospheric transmission was instant across the planet it gave the Tech Priests to debate and confirm what it was they would vote for.

TalOS knew for a fact that he was safe now. It was just a feeling he got listening to the singing of the Machine Spirits recording the thoughts of all upon Lucius.

The twelve minutes finally ended and the Fabricator General began his speech. His tone was as always that of an old man but the hint of satisfaction laid within it, +Lucius has spoken, the majority declared that the Arch Dominus has done what was determined logical at the time and shall not be charged with any crimes for what happened upon Lucius. I had talked to him before his moment, and the Arch Dominus has informed me that he will remain at his position for the foreseeable future.+

Upon those words TalOS’s fate was saved though that was not the end of the Fabricator General’s speech, +We of the High Court have conversed and agree that it is time we start talking to our fellows throughout the Galaxy. As we prepare for war the Arch Dominus shall visit our sister planets among the stars and make allies of them. Upon his return, we will strike at both the Orks and the Mitu who have scarred our world so profoundly alongside our brothers and sisters of other stars.+

With those words the trial was over. Lucius has spoken of their desire to see TalOS stay his position.

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+You suceeded.+ Declared UZ1 as TalOS slowly made his way into the halls where she awaited her Master.

+That is correct. I have read some of the propaganda that was distributed by the Martians and I find it is deeply wrong. My kind can still feel the horror of chance, when all that you have worked for could be destroyed in the matter of twelve minutes.+

+If our understanding of Horus Lupercal is correct it is deeply evident why that is the case. He would try his best to make them think that.+ Declared the Apprentice as she joined the master in their walk.

+Have the data engines determined our path yet?+ TalOS asked the Adept as they made a turn through the halls.

+Indeed, we will be visiting what the Imperials declared to be Segmentums Pacificus and Solar. They currently hold the highest density of known Forge Worlds and due to the Astronomicon’s presence it is the fastest region to travel through.+ She admitted as she gave TalOS a data package, +My conversations with the Navigator Houses has been… odd.+

TalOS accepted the package and looked over it himself for a few moments, +Their rooms are… gaudy. Wouldn’t that be a subjective fact.+

UZ1 gave a small nod to that inference, +It was to the extent that it was an objective fact.+

+Can you share with me a data parcel for example?+ TalOS could not help but feel his curiosity start to overwhelm him. A second later the Arch Dominus saw something that shook him, +So much gold. Does it by chance have relation to their arts as ephetic links to the Astronomicon?+

+An act of emulating the one who operates it so that they tether closer to the ideas?+ UZ1 spoke out TalOS’s thoughts before giving a subtle confused nod, +I do not know. I have however been given a complaint from the Head of House London. He wishes that we develop a manner to which his household members could survive the presence of the Blackstone Fortress.+

+Are they issuing a Work Stoppage because of that fact?+

+Not yet.+

+Then it will not be of immediate concern.+ TalOS declared as they walked through the halls, +There are a variety of other matters that need our addressing. Someone who I have been needing to visit but did not have the time yet to.+

The two of them took another turn, this time towards the highest grade Medicae.

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TalOS was given a smell of incense and sterilizer in the air. It was a mix that TalOS did not fully agree with but knew it was necessary. The destruction of the micro lifeforms that threatened all of human existence needed to be wiped out in such a vulnerable place after all.

About the building were the numerous Skitarii, Adepts, and Serfs that had proven themselves noble in Lucius’s greatest hour. Under the care and repair of Arch Magos R3KT they were all given a new lease of life that would be impossible at any other place in the Empire. Such powerful wills was something Lucius could not lose.

As he helped the Arch Magos occasionally TalOS was aware of each and every one of their fates. For their service each and every one of them would be fitted with mechanical limbs and given a raise in standing among their fellows.

TalOS here today was to visit what might be the greatest of all present. The one who single handedly saved Lucius from disaster.

The curtains embroidered with the sigil of House Borgius were moved away and TalOS looked at the once burnt form of Fredric Borgius. The Prince looked at TalOS with his one good eye with a moment of stunned fascination before making a wave at the Servitors working on him.

TalOS gave a quick burst of binaric orders that forced the Servitors to abandon their current station and stand aside for the Arch Dominus. Giving the person a bow TalOS declared, “Prince Fredric Borgius, I cannot express to you in the words of flesh how much I can thank you. Through your actions Lucius stood victorious and will now usher an age of revenge against those that have scared our planet so.”

The Prince gave a subtle laugh as he heard those words, “Thank you, Prophet of the Machine God. I did not think anyform of apostasy would result in this though.”

“Flesh is weak, that is what we say. Though I know many that would resist such a sudden change knowing that it can harm the sanity of the soul.”

“Its… something to get use to.” Admitted the Prince as he slowly began to move his newly forged bionic arm, “But those people never rode a Knight into battle. It feels just like that.”

“I can agree, but just like a Knight or Titan it takes time to get use to the new limbs.” TalOS told the Prince with a small lamentation, “My Kind, the Priests of the Machine God, sometimes misunderstand the truth of some matters for they have few references for it.”

“Well, at least one of you do.” The Prince Told TalOS with a subtle but pained smile, “But I really don’t want to hear the jests at court, Prophet. I have lost a certain limb and guaranteed the lost of my family’s line. My Father was never able to sire another son after all.”

“Do not worry, the Cult Mechanicus have found ways to fully replace such pieces of flesh.” TalOS joked much to the Prince’s relief.

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>Dominus Borgius shall be reforged as it was, such a noble machine.
>As reward the *Insert Knight* shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.

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>>5256648
>As reward the knight: "Pride of Borgius" shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
Can Talos reward him with a custom designed Acastus sized Knight? Maybe one that has arms so it can also hold melee weapons if the Prince still wants to be able to fight in melee?

It's about the size of a Scout Titan, while not being an actual titan, so it cannot be said we are overly favoring Borgius too much if Navaros complains . At the same time, he doesn't have to believe he is no longer a knight by being a princeps which I can imagine isn't exactly what he or his fathered planned. He's earned an upgrade for slaying a Gargant.

Lol I was thinking today how much the knights have been a very large and valuable asset to us, and ways we could reward or improve them.

>>5256648
>>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.
He got his arm and his pecker shot off holding the line and remained cheerful throughout the process. In the Omnissiah's name if that's not worth a promotion to Princeps I don't know what is.

>>5256648
>As reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
The knights keep calling themselves angels, so it fits that their leader is an Archangel, right?

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>>5256662
Quit lowballing. Our guy deserves a geneforged replacement tallywhacker worthy of Ron Jeremy, a bridgeful of the sexiest Moderati we can find him, and a close combat specced Reaver to lead the line from.

>>5256648
what kinda titan would he get. Personally, I think the Warhound would suit him best.

>>5256678
Seeing what you guys were gonna suggest, but my default was gonna be Imperator.

>>5256681
Shit on me that's OP as fu... I mean, Yes Mr. QM Sir, I'll happily rescind whatever I said before for a proper lancemate.

>>5256681
in that case, I will support
>As a reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
My reason is that being a Princeps is a huge strain and the larger the machine the stronger the machine spirit. with a connection that strong he might be unable to continue his duties as a prince. also, we can't elevate his house that much above his rival.

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"Ultimately he kept himself calm during these moments"
"TalOS took in a breath and allowed the incense to cloud his mind for a moment"
"My kind can still feel the horror of chance, when all that you have worked for could be destroyed in the matter of twelve minutes"
I'll never not be impressed by Talos humanity, despite being both Primarch and a Techpriest. Most of his other brothers would deny knowing what fear is (except of Curze) and put on a face of utter self-confidence, while other techpriests would simply delete the sense of anxiety and not bother with lungs. But Talos is ready to admit when he is afraid and face it with faith.

No matter how metal he becomes on the outside, he'll always have a humans heart. Two of them actually.

>>5256670
It's worthy, but is it what he would truly want? It takes years and a chance of death to become a Knight pilot, it would take just as much education to become a Princeps. He'd have to get entirely new implants, undergo extensive retraining at the Collegia Titanica, and at the end of it. . .he wouldn't be a Knight of House Borgius. He would be a son of his father, a noble of the House, and bring much honor being the first of their number to become a Titan pilot. But he would never be a Knight. No more gathering with your fellow Princes, Lords and Barons on and off the battlefield, part of the gallantry glory in the feasting halls. He might gain new friends and comrades in the Collegia Titanica school and his fellow magus crew, but the Collegia Titanica is not the Questor Imperialis.

It's like changing from being a Tank Commander to a Helicopter Pilot. Its just as honorable, but you aren't really gonna be part of the same crew or unit.

More importantly, he'd never be able to compete with Prince Alexander on equal standing and best him on the field. And that might be the worst thing of all!

It'd be like if a very young guardsman were somehow able to become a space marine or acillian. He'd surely bring honor, might even be lucky to come back and chat up with the men from his old squad and previous life. But he'd never be part of them again, know what I mean.

We would gain an excellent Princeps, but lose the finest Knight Prince we have. And we only have two very good ones, so that's losing half! Plus, he's the main motivation to convince Alexander to match his feats

>>5256692
It'll grant honor to his House and give the upstart Alexander something to catch up to. Eventually we'll have two feudal badasses leading Titan Maniples with their respective Knight Housed nipping at their heels. Think Bigger. If we want to keep expanding and take the war to the Mitu and Orks, we'll need capable subcommanders in durable chassis. Also I don't think your analogy for the jump from Knight to Titan works. It's not even tanker to Mech pilot, more like starfighter pilot to corvette captain, mostly the same shit you've been doing but now you have a bridge crew and a smarter Machine Spirit to interact with.

>>5256694
A well driven Titan is worth a pack of Knights all day.

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>>5256692
>>5256694
Make Alexander a princep too. But Frederick gets his first so he gets the title of first Princep of Dutonis, Alexander becomes Second Princep. Not like he was sitting around doing nothing in the battle either.

>>5256699
>itlphfX8
make him earn it in the field though

>>5256694
Please don't tell me we can't promote him because he's too good at his job, this is why people shoot up their own offices.

>>5256699
wouldn't that kinda cheapen the honour though? "I lost my dick and arm killing a Gargant what the fuck did this asshole do to get the same reward?" I'd sure as fuck be a little bitter about that.

>>5256702
Agree 1000%. Princeps is a hell of a carrot. Let the other guy single handedly save a planet (which he likely will eventually) before raising his rank to match his rival.

>>5256700
Did you put your own ID on the post? I seem anons accidently write the captcha there before, but that one is new.

>>5256707
not a clue, hit reply and started typing

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>>5256696
I mean even in that analogy, a corvette captain isn't going to share the same sort of stories about the awesome sorties and dogfights with the old fighter crew. He'd be part of the bridge team and naval officers. Not to mention having to be taken away be trained for ship command.

>>5256699
>>5256699
>Plan for both of them to become Princeps
That's. . .a brilliant idea. Let Alexander know he can also earn the same title. Frederick will have someone to work forward too.

>>5256701
I don't know if you can call a Princep a promotion over becoming an entirely different thing. Knight Houses and the Collegia Titanica are entirely separate organizations with different cultures. But that is fair.

I suppose the real question is if we can be sure Frederick is up for the task of mastering a Titan machine spirit. Titans are an order of magnitude more ferocious than knights, something like only one in a million survive. Perhaps Talos can accurately tell that Frederick will pass.

>>5256648
>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.

>Geneprint him a fix for this line issue.

>>5256705
what makes you think he will save a planet by himself. we are gathering an overwhelming force and going on the offensive. he will just be a peace of the war machine. he won't be given a chance like this. probably not until the rangdan xenocides or the heresy (assuming he lives that long).

>>5256713
>I suppose the real question is if we can be sure Frederick is up for the task of mastering a Titan machine spirit. Titans are an order of magnitude more ferocious than knights, something like only one in a million survive. Perhaps Talos can accurately tell that Frederick will pass.

Best counterpoint I've heard so far. Titan Machine Spirits are notoriously feisty. I think experience driving a multistory killing machine with a mind of it's own might prepare him a bit better for the experience (grant plusses) but we can't feel even a bit aggrieved if QM makes us roll for MIU compatibility or whatever and we end up losing him with a critfail. Doesn't mean we shouldn't let him try.

And honestly, if there is even a likely chance Talos can see Frederick surviving the trials to become a Princep the mere fact of saying this would likely guarantee he would become one.

The Collegia have waged wars and sent fleets to scour planets on the slightest chance of a lost pilot having survived, so rare they are, and would probably pay ungodly amounts of resources to poach him from Borgias anyway. Not everyone, not even every knight, can just up and become a Princep.

So ultimately, yeah, if he can become a Princep we probably should go ahead and make him one. Because if we don't, someone else is going to figure out he can be one and push for him to be one anyway.

Perhaps Talos already knew Frederick was princep material, but kept it hidden from him until now knowing this.

>>5256717
I wants to bleev. If he doesn't save one of ours he can exterminate one of theirs for equivalent course credit, OK?

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>>5256648
>>As reward the *Insert Knight* shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
>Borgius Impaler

And it will have a Tungsten pic related as a CQC weapon! And oh boy you will KNOW when that thing is punching through heavy armor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rftGYQ5y2bA

>>5256724
le meme piledriver... I'd really rather a proper chainfist, as this is 40k and not Evangelion or whatever.

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>>5256719
>Talos "You know, I think you would make a good Princep."
>The Collegia Titanica, 0.001 nanoseconds later:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UPKAULKa_Q

That's the stuff! "oh so you have a superb thick armour impervious to most ranged weaponry?" *CLUNK *
>>5256725
Come on, only the whole situation is a meme. And chainswords are cool and all but what is better "muh monomolecular teeth" or "CLUNK"

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Oh so it's PILE BUNKER

>>5256725
Come ooon it's not like I am suggesting replacing a Chainsword with a Power Drill. Way meme-ier

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>>5256724
So a Knight Valiant?

>>5256728
Tell you what, we can mount it under the Melta cannon on the ranged arm as a bayonet surprise, but we really do need the chainblade to fence and parry (also rip and tear) with.

>>5256730
Isn't that more of a harpoon gun though?

>>5256734
But it can be used in CQC since the Knights are so huge.

>>5256719
Can we at least agree to let him test for Princeps?

>>5256739
If we are including one let's make it a fuckhueg version of the taser lances the Sydonian Dragoons carry.

>>5256740
Well, you see, this is a quest. If you vote for it, it will likely happen unless I was being an ass.

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>>5256730
Alright, this is a compromise accept!
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/imperial-knights/Knight-Valiant
Alright so this is Dominus class... but could it be BIGGER?

>>5256743
I did vote, I'm trying to persuade Nano to switch his.

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Look at the STATS ON THAT THING

>>5256648
>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.
Nano has a point. If we notice Frederic can become a Princep it's a matter of time until the collegia will too and try to make him one even if we dont. He would already be a Princep by now if Dutonis wasnt isolated.
Were just fulfilling his true destiny now that we have the time and resources.

>>5256746
Now that's some tasty 'poon. Change your vote to Titan and let's get a twin-linked version set in a carapace mount on a platform with actual void shields and a higher wound count.

>>5256743
But now I wonder, if we don't pick it, does that mean he didn't have the potential, or he had it and it went to waste?
Is this some kind of reverse quantum ogre situation?

>>5256757
Only one way to really know for sure...
(Vote to let him test)

>>5256757
It would mean he does not. You don't have to worry about protocols reversing your decision.

>>5256753
Oh damn you ARE convincing me... but a titan with one makes little sense...
UNLESS IT'S MANY TIMES LARGER AND IT'S MADE TO SHOOT AT A TZEENTCH DEMON ENGINE
Changing my vote from >>5256724 to:
>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.

QM Please give us a apartment sized thundercoil harpoon, please please please QM please please please
please

>>5256759
Unless of course down the road a schismatic Dark Magos shows him what could have been and since we failed to promote him we end up having to fight one of our own (formerly) loyal mooks at the head of a Traitor Maniple backed up by a horde of Iron Warriors and corrupted Automata...

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>>5256763
I mean, it already kills them.

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>>5256763
dare we dream it... carapace mounted Gatling Electro-Poon with pintle mounted autostubbers?

>>5256767
luddite

So I will say this now, think of choosing the Titan Option as starting of a Legio Titanica. Mars afterall has two Titan Legions, so why can't Lucius? One of legendary Princes/Nobles and the other made of those selected specifically by the Tech Priests from the common rabble.

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>>5256773
As for the other, it will be a start in adapting Teleportation Technology into the Knights of Dutonis. Also it will give Borgius what will become the strongest of their warmachines. If I had to default for the Knight, it would of course be the Magera.

>>5256771
If you weren't so desperate to try to convince everyone, I would have, but it's funnier this way.
>>5256773
That sounds a way better than deal, I thought it was just his reward.
However, since I'm sure that option will win, I can be stubborn for the meme.

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>>5256773
Let Them Walk

>>5256770
come on, the whole COOL of the thing is that it is ONE shot! What next, an angry marine is cowboy riding the thing while shooting his bolter? cool
>>5256766
Hmm... yes it does... Damn it, I think I will stay with my vote change... Borgius will experience a religious awakening, I tell you.
First, he proved for himself that the Machine God is watching over their battles and will now be made into an Avatar.
>>5256777 Amen

>>5256774
Well nevermind, having our knights be able to keep up with our teleporting legion is better than just having an extra one.

>>5256776
I'm not sure why I got so invested in this, I just think that losing an arm and a wiener is a hell of a sacrifice, and Particep Semper should never lack for properly scaled battlefield companionship.

>>5256781
That's completly understandable, and it's the good kind of quest autism on my books anyway.

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>>5256648
Switch to
>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.
Thinking it over, Borgias can't really complain. We can justify it by saying that looking over the medicae files it struck us by display of his willpower that he is princeps worthy, a one in a million chance.

Even if he hadn't been honorable and had been just a kid we found on the street that survived a fist fight, if a Primarch notices you can become a Princeps you are going to become a Princeps. Him being a knight and being able to bring honor to his house is a bonus. Like being a psyker or a null, you don't just leave that you find the black ships or the black ships are going to find you.

It will mean more years of training, more surgeries, it will mean Frederick will be away from the war for a time and leave about his Knights from the high throne of a Titan chair but never truly stand at their side again, a chance to make new friends and new comrades in the college but not be a Knight no longer. It may even mean his son will need to be trained to be a knight by another man other than himself, as he will need to focus his efforts on his skill as a Princeps. But we can give him the consolation, hopefully, by secretly telling him we have notice that his rival Alexander is also Princeps worthy.

And if he isn't going to become a Titan Pilot, is he going to let Alexander become one before him?

>>5256773
It may set a dangerous precedent in our case. We aren't just making two Titan legions from scratch, we are also showing that its perfectly okay to take members of a Knights house and induct them into the Collegia. In the best of case, it will encourage more collusion among the houses but in the worst case it might encourage the Collegia to start trying to recruit or even poach knights away from their houses.

But, typically, knight houses are more than capable of defending themselves and truth be told I doubt there would be many knight houses who would reject the opportunity for at least one of their members to earn the honor of becoming a Princeps.

>>5256774
Is there no love for the Acastus? It's the biggest knight of all! Sure its standard format is for long range firepower, but who says Talos has to follow standard design when it comes to anything.

We're already integrating teleportation technology into them.

It also probably kills gargants better.

>>5256778
>come on, the whole COOL of the thing is that it is ONE shot!
Missing the point. The cool part is we can use the tether to electrocute/EMP targets and retract them into chainfist/melta range. A gatling electro-poon would still be single shot, like a revolver, but we can afford to take more shots and cut tethers as needed. High fire rate on something like that would just result in tangled tethers and lethal feedback.

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>>5256786
Omnissiah bless you for your consideration and the logical reassignment your sanction, kind Magos.

>>5256786
The idea of a Titan Legion staffed with former Skitarii Alphas and battle hardened Domini is way too sexy to pass up, and will be a serious morale boost for the rank and file.

>>5256774
WAIT
You're also tying in some research options for the knights in this?

If we pick that option, we will get teleporting knights faster? Holy hell that beats out getting a new Princeps by a longshot.

>>5256803
If it were that easy the Collegia would keep recruitment to within techpriests.

Its mentioned that they would prefer to but are compelled to search far and wide for suitable candidates because its just so hard to find even one person who could hopefully become a Princeps.

The rates or survival might be lower than even space marine aspirants

>>5256806
we do have quite a large recruiting pool though...

>>5256788
okay I missed the point... So Gatling Arc Thundercoil Harpoon.

>>5256808
Yes, this exactly. for all teh zapzaps

>>5256806
Also, we're kind of a really good Genetor. If we can figure out the genes that determine compatibility we can start a breeding program like we have for Acillians and Navigators

>>5256815
compatibility for what. Aspirants are all about MUH WILPOWER and the power of friendship

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>>5256774
Looking at the stats on Wahapedia the Magera is certainly a better all arounder than the Acastus, but that extra Toughness is juicy.

And movement doesn't matter when you teleport, just like Terminators.

Nothing stops Talos from designing a Knight that has the armor thickness of an Acastus, but the weapons and shield loudout of a Megara right QM?

Really tempted to change votes again because holy damn teleporting knights and titans is a major breakthrough, where as we can always just recruit more Titan legions from other forge worlds or build them conventionally anyway

>>5256820
I mean here is a really dumb idea. Take the Harpoon Gun from the Valiant and put it on the Magera to replace the Lightening cannon. Then when the Magera start reeling in the target it slaps the target with its massive siege claw.

>>5256820
>And movement doesn't matter when you teleport, just like Terminators.
Assault Termies or Melee Knights have an almost even money chance to 'port in, fail their charge, then get wiped the next turn. Titans can orbitally insert and have void shields to survive the next round until they get a guaranteed charge. Deep Strike is Deep Strike, I vote for survivability.

>>5256824
True, but the Knights have the Machine God on their side. He gives them a 3d6 drop the lowest when attempting a charge (lol).

>>5256821
I was thinking basically the same thing for the Reaver carapace mount, except multibarrel and we bake then shake with the melta and chainfist once in close quarters.

>>5256828
Never again will I underestimate GW's willingness to cheese rules to sell a profitable new model line.
-My buddy Dave,circa 1997 upon getting cornholed by massed Darklance fire for the first time

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>>5256821
Yes but QM the armor! The size!
Ya gitz, BIGGA IZ BETTA
I'm totally fine with say, uparmoring a Megara variant and the weapons aren't too important to me so much as just us being able to objectively say our stuff is bigger and fancier than anyone else's. What's the point of making Lucius rival mars in production if we're not using it to give our boys bigger toys than everyone else?

Sure its heavier and a bit slower, but they really aren't going to need to be fast when they are teleporting. We can even give them good shields.

The difference between 30 wounds and 24 wounds is somewhat significant in game isn't it? If it isn't, then it's least significant fluffwise to me.

That's doable isn't it?

>>5256835
When looking at rules think of them as like, 10 or 15 what is said to be the fluff version. So yeah 6 wound difference is significant.

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>>5256835
I'll just leave this here for reference.

>>5256837
The Castus is evidently comparable to a "Scout Titan" which usually refers to the Warhound.

The Maegara doesn't appear to be as big as that from what i'm reading.

So yeah, if we're gonna upgrade Frederick's steed, let's at least give him the biggest damn chassis we can.

>>5256841
>"Scout Titan"
This phrase certainly gives "recon by fire" a new meaning.

>>5256845
Well that's why Warhounds officially are.

>>5256774
With this new information, I would like to switch to
>As reward the *Archangel Borgius* shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
I dont much see the point in getting two titan legions when we can just double the size of our one, like Horus did with Legio Mortis. New technology is always more valuable.
>>5256845
How in depth do you want us players to go when it comes to specifications for the new knights?

>>5256853
Question meant for >>5256847

>>5256853
If you make Variants than they will simply be special cases rather than the rule.

>>5256847
Not disagreeing, just commenting on how bad things have gotten if we need to send out small office buildings to have a quick nip around the perimeter to see what's what.
"Moderatus 890724578, motion 11 o'clock, range 370 meters, declination 22 degrees, fire for effect." "Firing, my Princeps... Target neutralized, m'lord. 2 gretchin with a looted mortar and a ferret-shaped loader squig, out of the fight! Omnissiah be praised, we've made the difference today!" "Oh bugger off, 890724578, I didn't mean the spotters, I meant the bloody Mega-Gargant cresting the hill behind them!" "Recalibrating...."

>>5256862
By Arg, do you mean the presidential palace of Afghanistan, or something else? Genuinely confused here. Might actually make a case for it to be still standing on Terra as some sort of Techno-barbarian or renegade Thunder Warrior stronghold though.

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>>5256862

>>5256648
>As a reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.

>>5256692
>As a reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
Sorry to switch a third time but I also think that teleporting knights is more useful than trying to start a second titan legion (when as was pointed out we can just make our existing one bigger instead)

Archangel Borgius is actually a better name desu

>>5256860
Guess Lucius is still limited in R&D department.

I imagine it will cost a lot of effort just to invent prototype a teleporting knight in the first place, let alone making one that can be produced in numbers to be called a variant rather than a rare prototype. We can work on a variant later.

Talos will just have to gather the means to research and develop new things to use Lucius vast industrial potential. If Lucius is to challenge Mars, it's got to be more than just rich. Any industrial world or manufactorum planet can be rich or produce a lot of common designs. It's gotta get smart if truly intends to challenge the Martian pre-eminence in all fields.

>>5256901
That's also why we are going to meet up with the other forges. No one planet, not even Mars can be good at everything.
Lucius has its teleporters and solar ore.
Ryza has superior plasma tech.
Stygies has its stealth tech and xenos studies.
Metallica has its infantry guns and tactics.

Every forge world is a cog that forms the greater machine of the Admech.

>>5256907
Agreed, just because Mars is the origin or axis in this metaphor, doesn't make it more important than any other forge world.
We/TaL0S don't want to supplant Mars, even if they will likely take it that way, the forge worlds have to be reminded that the Mechanicum isn't a Monarchy ruled by Mars or Terra, but a symbiotic relationship.

In that same line of thinking, i propose that we take a few Magos from the other forgeworld in the Federation with us to demonstrate this in praxis, better not be hypocritical from the very start. We could even take some representatives from the forgeworlds that agree with us to the next ones, an ever growing alliance.

>>5256648
>As reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
Teleporting Knights Ahoy.

>>5256773
How many Titan and Knight Legions can we even support? We already made deals with the Knight Worlds to supply them with new Knights. Of the Knights we have newly started manufacturing we requisitioned many of them and their pilots for the war efforts. With the resources and manpower we are getting from the new worlds we could consider making more Titan Legions. Yet isn't the pilot standards easier to meet with the Knights vs Titans? Then again we do have a lot more worlds to filter for the needed talents.

>>5256774
Holy shit nevermind. Teleporting knights is far more useful and less resource demanding to be able to derive that upgrade.

>>5256815
Would the Navigators even trust us to do that? We kinda overpowered all opposition and the other Genetors also agreed with the family planning when they confirmed it was the only viable way to increase Astarte gene carriers population for recruitment purposes. As for Princips recruiting was it ever even mentioned to be gene related? I thought it was some special rare neurological conditioning which is why there is such an absolute pain in the ass to find. Navigators tend to be an extremely paranoid and possessive bunch despite Tal0S being a top tier Genetor. I don't even know if we can fix the recruitment issues with Princeps. Apparently Knights don't have that kind of problem but even they have side effects in how their pilots are conditioned and groomed over generations.

>>5256648
>For such actions, you will become House Borgius’ first Princep and a Titan to match such an honor.

>>5256648
>As a reward, the noble machine shall be remade with the latest in C4Rs technology.

I'd like to upgrade Dominus Borgius rather than make a new thing wholesale.
Just to maintain that sister link to fredericks knight.
Preserve the spirits.

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>>5257029
No one says we can't use the old machine spirit from his previous knight (if it survived) in making the brand new one.

>>5256968
>>5256815
Well we know that to become an acillian or a princeps is reliant on willpower. Theoretically, while I doubt Talos can make humans that perfectly succeed every time, with such advanced knowledge of human neurology he could attempt to create a breed of humans or at least modify a class of them to be more likely to succeed by having a genetic predisposition to willpower.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4175917/

We know in canon that willpower can be increased genetically by 40k by merit of the genestealer cults. The offspring of downtrodden serfs become even more fanatical and utterly devoted to the cause than Chaos cultists, who only rely on the supposed promise of power or a better life. In almost all the books genestealers cultists are portrayed as being altered to be fanatical at the genetic level, never giving up even at the hand of torture, because their brains have been hardwired to be incapable of despair and have unshakable belief in the "cause"

Talos could theoretically try to improve the chances of Princeps dynasties aspirants surviving through some neural adjustments, combined also with his own superior spiritual knowledge of how to tame machine spirits and become one with the machine. I'm sure he could write a book that actual Collegia students would find supremely useful as Guilliman's codexes of war.

It would be yet another thing to add to our to-do list which by my reckoning for us players is already well into the hundred. In character I imagine Talos own To-Do list reaches into the thousands of items on a daily basis. We're probably like the Emperor in that same regard, we can just forsee SO much to do but are so limited in our capacity to do it

>>5256648#
>As a reward, the noble machine shall be remade with the latest in C4Rs technology.

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A man is comprised of three parts, a mind, a body, and a soul, each of which are reliant upon the other and all of which can be understood via the Machine Gods science and faith.

We know a mans body is weak if deprived of food, sleep, rest, but even the fittest natural body pales to those augmented and provided the best environment to train it. Enhanced genetic sinews, Catalepsean/Cybernetic sleep replacers, artificial food dispensers, plus rigorous physical endurance training. Genetics can result in a far stronger breed of body such as Ogryns or Astartes.

The same is proven true of the mind. Through education and determination a man becomes smart. But even normal human limits can be exceeded through science. Cybernetic augmentation, brain tissue enhancements, hypnomat and information uploads. These are the things that separates the smartest man from the smartest techpriest.

Even the soul. Courage and bravery are a combination of hormones as adrenaline and cortisol, cultural upbringing and history, and the genetic neurological makeup of his mind that predisposes one to fight or flight, bravery or cravenry. As we have seen from Skitarii and Astartes, these too can be augmented, with either cybernetic fear suppressants or genetic ones as the Astartes who "know no fear". As the mind can be educated, the soul can be taught via faith, rites and the religion of the machine cult.

Talos is a Techpriest. He is at once genetor of the body, neurologist of the mind, and psychologist and preacher to the soul. I'm sure he could come up with many ways to boost the chances of Princep aspirant survival from both science and faith.

Perhaps he could offer the Princeps families to make their aspirants a little bit like psudo-acillians, so their bodies are less likely to reject the implants and minds enhanced and educated by knowledge and faith with direct insight to the nature of machine spirits by Talos to give them the best chance to not be overcome by the machine spirit. It would give them more material to work with higher chances of survival.

We are the only Primarch to truly become one with a Titan's machine spirit and speak to it. Something not even Perturabo, Ferrus or Vulkan did! Imagine what knowledge or improvements to the training program Talos could impart as perhaps the greatest Princeps the universe has ever seen. I mean, unless the Emperor ever wanted to drive a Titan for fun in the Dark Age.

Hmm, how about instead of Archangel Borgius we can it Borgius Seraphim or Archangelus Borgius to avoid the English.

>>5257106
That's good for me, but if we are trying to avoid english than we got to go for Archangelus instead of Seraphim.

>>5256648
Whatever the vote is
>Preserve the machinespirit of Dominus Borgius if possible.

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but what hierarchy would Borgius be. Just the third?
Well it fits if TalOS is "just" a Dominus...
No need to worry about english, just call it Angelus! and Archangelus of course

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>>5256648
>Proposal as to the design of the Archangel Borgius
Information in next post

>>5257185
The Acastus Frame is the largest knight frame there is, but we'll call it a Magera Version to note that it's still capable of melee combat up close rather than being a long range hitter.

It would be armed with:
Volkite chieorovile - For a knight this appears to be the hardest hitten AP weapon among the various variants, it's a heavy 5 weapon with AP -3. If someone else knows a better Gargant killer lemme know
Twin rad-cleanser - Shoulder Mounted, where the Heavy Stubber and Rondel would normally be. Perfect for getting rid of the ground chaff and auto-hits
Helios Defense Missile - Has more AP compared to ronstorm missile pod, and if he's teleporting forward to enemies he isn't gonna need indirect fire much.
Hekaton siege or Reaper Chainsword - If he wants to sword he can sword, but the Hekaton Siege Claw seems really good for cracking open other titans and knights because Crush has -4 AP

Ionic Flare Shield - Better than Ion Shields because it protects against both ranged and melee
Empyreal Preysight - The enemy cannot hide
Occular Augmetics (31st Millennium Only) - Well, it is the 31st Millenium. never know if you're going to need a night battle or a battle in fog!

And of course, it will have an installed Teleportarium beacon protoype.

Trying to come up with a quick Blender display of what it would look like but no one has released the Asterius Arms stl file unfortunately.

>>5256774
>As reward the Archangel Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
I'm gonna join the others and vote this, this is much better than another Titan legion.
>>5257145
>>5257185
>Supporting
We should recover and preserve the machine spirit of the Original Borgius. Also if this is the best kit we can give Frederic to make him extra tanky so he can hunt more enemy titans, I'll back it

>>5257145
>Agreed

>>5257106
Oh I like the seraphim name, that's quite poetic

>>5257106
>Supporting this name too

>>5256648
>As reward the Archangelus Borgius shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
>>5257145
>>5257185
>Backing these

>>5256774
>As reward the *Borgius Seraphim* shall be made with the latest in C4R’s technology.
>a start in adapting Teleportation Technology into the Knights of Dutonis
We shouldn't pass up this opportunity
>>5257106
>+1 Support
It is a good name
>>5257145
>+1 Support
The Machine Spirit of the Dominus Borgius absolutely deserves the honor too
>>5257185
>+1 Support
Love the stats and the weapons. It's should be able to fight in melee and ranged.

>>5257187
>Volkite chieorovile - For a knight this appears to be the hardest hitten AP weapon among the various variants, it's a heavy 5 weapon with AP -3. If someone else knows a better Gargant killer lemme know
But my harpoon... AP -6... bonus to hit against large stuff.... absurd strength.... AND BADASS
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>>5257185
>>Volkite chieorovile - For a knight this appears to be the hardest hitten AP weapon among the various variants, it's a heavy 5 weapon with AP -3. If someone else knows a better Gargant killer lemme know
But what about the HARPOOON >>5256746
way better

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>>5257334
>>5257331
TADA!

Because even Talos and Frederick can appreciate the value of glorious variety!

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Some concept art.
I unfortunately could not find the actual arms for the Castus Asterius on google, so I jurry rigged it a bit.

>>5257353
mmm... Avatars of God... excellent
>>>/gif/22596330 very heretic

>>5257353
No no, you didn't jury rig anything, it's just a unique design of the Lucius pattern Castus Asterius

>>5257353
Frederic's steed reborn looks awesome my man. I bet he'd like the harpoon, if a knight is gonna teleport right up to an enemy might as well hit them hard. Plus he can pull them close and crush them with the siege claw.

>>5257106
I like Seraphim.

>>5257106
Borgius Seraphim

>>5257145
>>5257341
>>support write-ins

>>5257353
The harpoon and siege claw is likely to be the prince's preferred loadout. The Volkite has more range and fires more, but trying to gun down an enemy titan from range isn't his way. He has balls.

Well, had balls. We'll get him some new ones.

Knight
>>5256662
>>5256675
>>5256691
>>5256724
>>5256891
>>5257029
>>5257061
>>5257145
>>5257547

Titan
>>5256670
>>5256716
>>5256747
>>5256969

Maybe just Arch Angelus for the name. Adding Borgius seems a little weird and I would point out this Knight is not for his Household, but Fredric himself.

>>5257557
Oh come on, at least go with Arch Seraphim then

>>5257561
Let the Seraph be the gigaknight for Navarros if they ever get one.
Turns out Seraphim is the plural form.

>>5257557
sorry QM, things got messy with all the mindstorming but I ended up changing my vote to this other one right here desu, them titans
>>5256763

>>5257573
This is the reason I need you all to link your previous vote and only that vote when changing them. Its in the rules.

>>5257557
Arch Angelus is good.

But ideally, Alexander also gets his own Arch Angelus, so there would be some identifier.

Calling them both Arch Angelus would make it seem more like a variant pattern than the name of their personal rides

Arch Angelus Patronus Fredericus Regulus, "The Arch Angel Patron of Prince Frederick"

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“The talks of the flesh however is not the reason I am here today, Fredric.+ TalOS spoke the name as perfectly as any other man of the flesh would, “What I am here today is to present to you a great honor. One that I hope is remembered through Generations.”

The Prince looked at TalOS with a quizzical look about him. He took his one good flesh hand and rubbed the numerous pieces of metal that now inhabited his flesh, “What would that honor be?”

“Your engine kill, the destruction of an Ork Gargant, saved Lucius from what would surely have been many more years of brutal war waged by whatever Warboss was in the system.” TalOS gave the preface in a style befitting of a preacher talking to the anointed, “As I cannot exclaim my thanks in words alone it is through action. We, the Priests of Lucius, will present to you a new steed.”

“A… new Knight?” The wonder within the boy’s eyes gave TalOS a moment’s smile.

“Indeed. After talking we have agreed to give you the strongest possible steed that we can muster from our forges. Our goal was to create a Steed that would extinguish the virtues of the Mechanicum for all that see it. A mighty creation that would be able to face against lesser God Machines if the circumstance was right.+ TalOS declared all outright and without any need for subtlety, “Our aim was to create an Arch Angel. A Knight that could rightfully stand side by side with the God Machines and call itself among their kin.”

TalOS reached into his cloak and brought out a dataslate that had a design upon it, “This was the result of our creations, Angelus Dominus. Using the data of STCs found on Dutonis we have been able to decode a new pattern of Knight previously unavailable to your people. It shall have a chassis twice the side of a Dominus Chassis and have the tools of the Knight Valiant and Magera upon it.”

The boy looked upon the display with clear wonder on his face. TalOS could not help but feel his sheer desire in the fact that he was about to ride the future.

“With its Chassis being so large, we were able to integrate the Teleportation Matrixes of the Warhound God Machines into it.” TalOS declared as he pointed out an integral piece of the engine, “While the Chassis will be slow, it will be able to fly through the battlefield like the God Machines.”

“Th-thank you… Prophet.” The Prince said as he looked upon the display, “I, Prince Fredric of House Borgius, accept this award.”

“Good, and as an additional note we had recovered as many pieces of Borgius Dominus as we could. Your new warmachine should feel similar to the one you previously had.+

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TalOS could not describe the sheer wonder and thankfulness upon the face of Fredric at that moment.

+That went well.+ UZ1 told TalOS with a good sum of happiness within her speech, +I documented the event and prepared pictures in case you wish to distribute it.+

+Give those to D3X for later.+ TalOS told his assistant as they exited the building belonging to R3KT, +I don’t wish the Prince to be bothered by many folk until he recovers.+

+Then it shall be.+ The Adept answered before giving a solemn sigh, +A pity he could not join the ranks of the Legio Titanica.+

+Indeed, but even among the Nobles there were only three who seemed capable. A higher ratio than many other populations but simply having a line of Knights does not mean they can operation Titans.+ TalOS too lamented as he gave a small hum, +When will the Navigators be ready for us to depart?+

+As our fleet will be so small the Navigators will be ready to venture out in a week.+ UZ1 told TalOS while giving him the roster of who will be piloting their ship.

+What do you think of these people?+ TalOS pointed out as he looked over the roster himself, +They are as young as us from the demographics given. Do you think Mars is slighting us or helping us with such inexperienced Navigators.+

+IT can be seen as either.+ UZ1 admitted as she looked over the roster too, +From my experience with them I would think the latter. Though I also wonder if that is simply how these mutants expect to be treated in general.+

+I cannot say.+ TalOS admitted as he shook his head, +They want a way to stave off nullification technology… its possible.+

+Surely we could employ the crystals in some way.+ UZ admitted as she thought to herself, +Do you think the current could be changed to go against nullification?+

+Its possible, but I don’t like it.+

+Making a bubble within our defenses is indeed an unwise tactic.+ UZ1 admitted, +Doubly so if someone were to take our research to the other end of the scale.+

+Could be an easy way to detect heresy.+ TalOS pondered as they walked down the halls, +Those tempering with my design cannot be using it for good reasons.+

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The two of them were walking in the open streets now with dozens of people walking past and by them. Seeing so many Priests, Servitors, and Serfs walking around helped the Tech Priests recognize that there was at least some normancy within the world. Even the spewing factories were but music to the ears of the one who spent so many lives protecting them from devistation.

+So I was kinda curious.+ UZ1 began the next leg of their conversation, +Have you been considering new augmentations?+

+It is something that is always within my mind.+ TalOS told the Adept with as must truth as he could place in a sentence, +I take it you have been looking at them yourself.+

She gave a nod upon hearing those words, +I am considering replacing my eyes. Its a minor dream, but I was hoping to rebuild my ocular organs with my own two hands to the point where I would not need glasses. They are after all an impediment in times of crisis.+

TalOS nodded to those words as he heard them, +Whether it be flesh or mechanical, I would be willing to help you with both.+

+Thanks.+ The girl said to the Primarch before giving him a once over, +I mentioned our travels because I was thinking you might be some more augmentations to make yourself more presentable. And I think you can do better than what you have.+

TalOS gave a nod to those words before testing out his flesh, +There are indeed vulnerabilities that need to be cleared. No matter how impressive my flesh is I cannot remain operational in the vacuum of space. While I contain a series of armaments upon my person as I know I am not near the limit of personal firepower.+

+You have just realized something.+ UZ1 pointed out with TalOS barely giving the hint.

+My blood is shared among my children, both Astartes of Acillian.+ TalOS admitted as he opened his still flesh hand, +During our travels it might be time to start research into figuring out the secrets of my creator and that can be used to better my own creations.+

+Oh, that would be cool.+ UZ1 admitted with an ever growing grin, +As I understand it they have improved eyesight too. Maybe I could see about grafting a pair for myself.+

>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
>Work on personal augmentations
>Prepare the genuine research into Acillian and Astartes.

Hmm, young Navigators very interesting. Probably some penny pinching from Mars, but also opportunity to win them over to our side. It would be very useful to have a loyal young branch of navigators.

Oh look, another "Man I really love all these options but we only have time for one!" Damn it.

This is definitely not something I'm going to vote immediately, because wow these are all really important.
We definitely will benefit in our immediate travels and long term relations with our new psykers, which is also important given our investiture in Null tech so making them compatible is something we cannot ignore.

I feel like we should explore more of the Galaxy to find the most cool and nifty stuff to augment ourselves, but everything in small steps too. If we're going to explore a dungeon that has no air or toxic emissions that would make even a Primarch's skin itch, it would help to get tankier. Plus we can help make Uzi some awesome eyes!

Researching the Acillians and Astartes, that one I think we can sort of put off for a little while longer. The 2nd isn't yet with us, we haven't met their techpriests who would be closer to our ideal of what can be done. But we obvioulsy can't and should not ignore that forever.

>>5257599
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
If it's going to be so nescessary, than might as well be us the ones making it.

>>5257609
I'm lersonally, I withholding the TalOS overhaul project until we get our hands on some of that sweet necrodermis and/or nanotech.

>>5257599
>Prepare the genuine research into Acillian and Astartes.
Geneator go. I'm waiting until we can find or make better tech for our arguments. Nanomachines will make all other augments irrelevant I prefer long term investments over short term ones.

>>5257613
Nothing says you can't redo it later. TalOS can just reproduce old limbs.

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In these situations, I like to use a trinity of Faith, Logic and Heart to help decide.

Faith: None of these actions are more or less heretical. In such cases, to be faithful is to be devoted, to be devoted is to be logical. Defer to logic.

Logic: Logic dictates of the choices with limited time, it would be wise to help our young Navigators. Not only because we plan to travel at haste and meet up with forge worlds (thus by accelerating our travels we buy more time for us to do more things) but to ignore them is not only to be less likely to endear them to us, it also risks them becoming less effective with long term exposure to our Null fields. More importantly, by showing aid to our Navigators, we also proof we are not so fanatical to be an enemy of the Navigator Guilds, although we invest in Anti-Psyker tech we acknowledge there are some psykers given value by the Machine God. For now anyway, privately we likely share the Emperors ideal of weaning mankind away from the need for psykers but that's neither here nor now
And as anon mentions, if we do that oursevles now, we will be more easily in control of preventing its tampering and turning against us.
The only slight drawback of this is we aren't actually in connection with the Telepathica or Psykana ordos on Mars, but eh, Talos is smart so he can probably make do.

Heart: Upgrading isn't just a Talos action, it's also an UZI action. We get to give her some beautiful eyes. Maybe we can even chide her by giving them big beautiful lenses so she can easily do both microscopic circuitry and biology as easily as seeing the wings on a fly 10 miles away through the rain, as well as every ocular spectrum we can give her.

And its not every day we get to do UZI actions. Gotta grind those UZI points

2/3 indicators lean towards helping our psykers. But damn, I don't wanna miss an UZI moment.

>>5257599
>Prepare genuine research into ancillians and astartes

>>5257615
To build on this, you guys do realize you can make future improvements on yourselves. Hell, since you have the mind of a Primarch, you can reverse most changes without issue. Even amputation can be reversed.

>>5257599
>>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators

>>5257634
Indeed.

The only thing we can't really replace is our Brain, or the critical parts anyway, but all other things are interchangeable.

A long term goal could be after all, figuring out the best way to safeguard brain from harm while simultaneously allowing our body (or a body/surrogate form) to go out into the world and do the most dangerous explorations.

Maybe one day we should try and install a teleporter in our chest, so that just before our body might die our brain can be ported back to safety. That would truly fool the first Primarch that thinks they've killed us.

>>5257615
>>5257634
The way I see it, is that doing a pitstop upgrade on ourselves taht we would just throw away later measn that we miss researching another thing in that moment, so I prefer to invest time in other more permanent upgrades until we get the resources to start the big project.
But then again I always go for long term upgrades in video games or tabletops, and sometimes it bites me in the ass.

>>5257599
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
This looks most important.

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>>5257599
OH! I just realized something QM.

If Talos could spend some time upgrading himself, does he currently have the Technology and resources on Lucius to develop secondary brains and subconsciousness's?

This could be a game changer if Talos can get some extra lesser brain power to work on side projects, that he can delegate thought experiments to. Exactly like Cawl and very many other Techpriests do. We can multitask, and let some of these projects be done in the background while the story can focus on Talos immediate actions!

Hell he could even try to gather up some Acillians and try to establish his first personal R&D team.

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>>5257652
Wrong image lol. I was about to post for the Navigator option but then it struck me Talos could begin the first steps of a means by which he can delegate small projects or do them in the back of his head, multitasking. That would be supremely useful even on a small scale.

That is a good question, can Talos try to do something to delegate some of this? Upgrading his brainpower is good, and we also have some smart Acillians. Even the Emperor didn't try to do everything by himself.
Maybe we can train UZI to be be something like our Malcador.

If we start fucking with our brain to make it more efficient could we possibly be in a position to try and fix Angron when we come across him?

>>5257577
I... I did :(

>>5257675
I'll try to look up the exact moment it's in the book. The Emperor did realize that the Archaeotech had gotten in so deep into Angrons head that there was more machine than brain, and thus to remove it would kill him.

Theoretically i've heard it said by fans that if he and Magnus got together, maybe they could have magic'd it out. Gotta also check if they mention just, you know, not making it hurt and keeping the pain off.

BL really never reconciliated exactly what the Emperor's plan for Angron was. He shat on him, harder than any other Primarch, and didn't even acknowledge the fact that Angron was in all but essence a prisoner soldier in his army. Even Lorgar asked "why" and Angron had no answer. I wonder if Talos being one of the more empathetic would try and ask the Emperor. Even if the Emperor tells Talos it's a secret, it'd be a cool bit of personality for him.

Suppose then it would be at least a good opportunity to see if Talos can take a whack at the nails. It's not clear if the Emperor surpasses all his sons in their specialty trait, or they embody his traits to a higher degree and thus are better at their specialty than him. For example if Roboute is a better or worse logistician than the Emperor.

We didn't quite yet get a chance to see how smart the Emperor is or ask him deeper questions, something we should do when we get to Sol.

>>5257686
Lorgar only asked about Angron's meeting with the emperor by the heresy on Nuceria, and he was as close to a friend as Angron could call anyone a friend. It's probable none of the primarchs knew much of Angron during the Crusade other than his brutality, the Emperor wasn't going to let others know.

>>5257686
I wonder in what side of the civil war did Malcador the Bro and the Emperor put us in, in their calculations...

>>5257652
If that is what you guys wanna work towards.

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>>5257691
That does actually make a lot of sense. Not every brother was so open to telling their backstory or the full truth of it.
>>5257692
Well if we we go by canon, we're on the side that doesn't exist. Along with our other brother in the 11th.

>>5257599

>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators

>>5257632
And I agree, this is a decision we definitely cannot take lightly. This text is long so check out the bottom of the post *wink*

Upgrading the boys? to work on getting them closer and into the ultimate goal of fusing the two! So attractive. We also have the personal improvement project which wins us UZ1 points as you presented. This is also so attractive.
The last one are the navigator bros. Having them working at a 100% is a must if we want to go as fast as possible with the Ad campaing, but I wonder, do the navigators NEED the anti-anti-warp tech right now?

I understand that the source of the null right now are the Kids and the crystal-prototypes. Can't we leave both in Lucius? TalOS won't like that, but we should make the compromise if we want the navigators to feel OK about it. Move the research to a nearby moon along the nursery that holds the children, instead of keeping it in Lucius so the guild doesn't feel like AAAAAAAAAAA DEATH AAAAAAAAAAAAA WE ARE BUT LAMBS TO THE COSMIC SLAUGHTER all the time.

Do consider that QM has the good touch to minimize the feelings of people, beacause the story is narrated by the Admech. It is smart if we don't take the navigators so lightly and we adress their concerns, but as I mentioned above, we can simply move the null-fortress away from the planet and put all the null-related research in it!
"Some menials lost their legs. How can we fix that becuase they HAVE to be back to work by monday" or "The navigators are midly inconvenienced because of the nulls. Something about feeling dread and empty and wanting to die all the time" "The not-augmented humans work a 20% better if they are not choking on fumes? why we didn't think about that!"

As a summary, I think we can solve the navigator problems in a non-time consuming manner by moving the null-tech away from them (or the other way around) and use this week of downtime to research the GOOOD SHIT. I have the impression TalOS is weaker than his primarch bros, thus...

>Work on personal augmentations

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>>5257599
>Work on personal augmentations
Operation Bicameral Mind - See Next Post

>>5257711
Okay, so we are literally not going to be able to focus on everything we want to do either OOC narratively or IC. As much as a Primarch is superior to men, even Roboute realizes he really can only shift his attention so many times at once.

But what if we could?

This is a problem that is known and dealt with by many many techpriests. We've moved our brain to our chest cavity yes? That means our head is right now, free real estate. The perfect spot for a second lesser brain, the first of many to come. Or if not a brain then at least maybe some sort of cogitator subroutine.

In this way, Talos can do what many fine techpriests do and run low level thought experiments and research in the back of his thoughts, while his primary conscious mind can focus on the most important task at hand. It would allow Talos to devote some spare brainpower to small tasks in the background while he focuses on the bigger picture.

If we invest in it enough, maybe QM will permit us to assign some projects or R&D to the extra thinking power on the background while we vote on more closer and important matters to Talos, and just get a status update on progress now and again. When there's a problem that would require a lot more brainpower to solve, then we can determine if its a good time for Talos to focus on it.

Lastly, in case of emergency it can act as a neat failsafe. If suddenly our chest brain is shot, we can try to shift our consciousness into it. We'll also give it some emergency failsafe's to ensure it isn't tampered with by psykers like null shields or self destruct if somehow we get decapitated and lose our head so nobody steals our precious data or tries to use magic to steal our knowledge.

EFFICIENCY HO!

>>5257714
I don't think QM will allow an upgrade to meta justify picking multiple options at once.

>>5257724
Fuck, I meant in character not meta.

>>5257708
The problem is we're going to be traveling in our Null Fortress, since it acts as a fleet carrier (in the literal sense) and helps offset our low number of inexperienced psykers. So they're going to be in its presence.

>>5257724
I mean, it's still not picking multiple options at once.

Our secondary Brain will just be able to work on side projects in the background, stuff that wouldn't constitute a full option. Minor R&D and the likes.

The options will be stuff that Talos mind has to focus his primary mind on fully. It'd be no different than assigning a task to an R&D department. Later on we could have our secondary brain maintain a continuous communique with a true R&D department while we focus on matters at hand like politics and the like.

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>>5257684
You didn't.

>>5257714
This is an excellent idea and we should probably do it as one of our first augments.
But delaying helping the navigators might result in more long term damage that will slow down our travels in the galaxy. We save time both ways by either speeding up our fleet travel or enhancing our brain, but the second can wait just a bit longer.

>>5257826
Can Talos predict which option would save more time? Speeding up the fleet for our travels first and brain upgrades later, or vice versa?

>>5257725
How I see an extra brain is that it will be used like a multithreaded processor. The only real use for it is background work and things that TalOS directly does not need to manipulate. Research likely won't be capable ironically it might be mission command that the second brain take over while the primary does research lol.

Still, it won't justify picking multiple options later on. Even with multiple brains TalOS will still need to be in person to do actual research.

The question does become, how you guys wanna get/make these brains?

>>5257831
I mean, probably a no? Honestly two of the options can become massive time sinks while the other has a definite end to take that as you will.

>>5257834
I should say this, the Psi Candles are only because of the Blackstone Fortress. That way you can have sane navigators operate on it.

>>5257834
I see. Well honestly with all the work weve done for the Imperium, Talos really will deserve some time to himself in the future. But heavy research can wait until after weve become fabricator general of the admech.

I wonder how our brothers managed to find the free time to do all their side quests and lead a crusade. Vulkan made thousands of priceless artifacts, while still managing to lead the Salamanders into battle and use them. Roboute wrote a library's worth of books and organized his realm. Magnus looked for psyker artifacts.

>>5257832
Being able to focus on research and not having to pick mission command still sounds like itd be useful. In fact were going to need to keep our Legion fighting even while we do research anyway.

I imagine we can just use our own DNA and grow some empty brains in jars, we are a genetor after all.

>>5257599
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators

>>5257599
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
As much as I want to work on BRAINS we kinda need sane navigators.

Switching >>5257711 to
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators

Damn, was hoping more brains would be a bit like Multiprogramming/Multithreading than Multiprocessors. At least that's how it seemed for Cawl in The Great Work. Ah well, I mostly saw it to pursue side items not necessarily on the list of the three that would be too small to make a complete decision (like designing a new gun or a fighter plane) not pick multiple options.

We really do just need our own Malcador/R&D group one day to delegate projects. Probably invest in UZI or ED1SON&T3SLA.

Anyway, let's at least keep our fleet movement up to speed by helping our Navigators. The faster we travel, the faster we can win over the forge worlds and maybe pick up some good researchers along the way. We'll be able to revisit UZ1s eyes another time I'm sure, she and the Great Crusade are still quite young.

We'll just have to work hard to earn that Talos vacation arc.

>>5257731
just went back into the archives and found out TaL0S's head is not empty. it's basically a cogitator boosting our "processing power"
>TalOS had changed, that much was for certain. Before even opening his eyes he realized the numerous changes that were placed about him. The most immediate of them was that his brain was removed, replaced with a processor chip that was several times more efficient in processing sensory data than even his brain.

>The next thing he noticed was the numerous circuits and connections made about his body. Each of these were meant for different kinds of components ranging from attaching extra limbs to hooking himself up to a Titan.

>Out of all of them, however, the biggest change was where his brain was now located. Removed from the cranium, it was entombed within an Adamantine box at the center of his chest. Impenetrable from even the most heaviest of ordinances, equipped with numerous life support systems, and even of Master Work quality. Well, if TalOS lost his entire body he would still be alive thanks to this box.

I do wonder. Cawl made Cawl-Inferior using psyker and xenos tech from dubious sources.

If Talos were to ever make a Talos-Inferior one day, would he be able to substitute it with cron technology instead. Given he would be especially keen on a helper totally-!not-an-AI not being warp susceptible.

Yet another mystery to investigate one day, but not today.

>>5257879
Well that's useful info. Could always move some of those cogitators into a big backpack type set up, like most techpriests do until they are either hunched over or plant their torso's on some spider legs or alternate locomotion setup. Talos seems quite minimalist for a Techpriest right now. Even Ferrus probably carries more kit on his back.

>>5257878
The Acillians already work as a think tank coming up with new technological variants, tinkering, making their own gear, and research. It's just not a task they are solely devoted to. Currently, Tal0S doesn't actually really have any techpriests working under him except for a military capacity besides exceptions like UZ1 who are his apprentices. It's only a matter of time before the Acillians descend in mass upon the Second Legion and completely replace their entire arsenal with masterwork variants of their own handiworks. I mean it's literally their #1 hobby. While Tal0S also granted them the rights and encourages them to pursue actual Tech Priests ranks as well so they DO have the right and capability to research into more specialized fields if they so desire.

The truth is Tal0S already HAS an entire Legion's worth of master craftsmen and researchers under his banner(his Sons). He just hasn't convinced the Second Legion to join the club yet nor has he convinced the baseline humans to either. As the research club is very much highly exclusive to the Acillians. Even UZ1 had to go through a challenge before they acknowledged her. Admittedly Tal0S only really has himself to blame for lack of influence outside of military matters when it comes to research. Hence the lack of non Astarte derived research manpower under him. It's just due to war matters those Acillian researchers all focus on wargear and their kits. Where do you think all those new variants and masterworks came from? We also know the Acillians are heavily involved in the Genetors and will likely replace the Second Legions Apothecaries. As its how they create and recruit more Acillians which Acillians themselves take part in the process of creating more brothers unlike other Astartes they have a very hands on approach.

So the Think Tank and R&D are already there. We just haven't done anything with them besides letting them dick around with equipment, variants, tinkering, and Acillian recruiting. If we want to all we would need to do is just encourage them to take on more Tech Priest training and specialize. We are already converting them all into de facto Tech Marines and they already have a shit ton of honorary Apothecaries from all the Acillian conversions. What we don't have is the normal human ones. Tal0S influence is limited to warfare, Null Tech, and Genetor. The Genetors already listen to whatever Tal0S says and Null Tech is something he is pioneering. Everyone acknowledges the fact that he is made for Warfare.

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>>5257893
"Where do you think all those new variants and masterworks came from?"
Is our legion using Masterwork pew pew guns as the rule not exception? That we can logistically sustain it and shun the need for bolters? If true and I so want to believe it one of my goals are already achieved. If we can reasonably sustain 100% of our legion using them, with readily available interchangable parts and proper logistical supply for mass production then we're squared away weapons wise. Tbh I was mostly looking into R&D of weapons so that we can streamline production and make it so its easier to mass produce, rather than every acillian having the equivalent of what is a rare custom artificer piece that is tricky to maintain.
But if we can reasonably call on our Acillians and ask them "Hey we need some boys with Beamer Meltas, we're going to need to crack something at range" and they say "sure thing we've got plenty of acillians ready to gear up for that", then by the Machine God that is great!

The only other thing then would be our Taghmata/Auxiliary forces if we can sustain it for them too, would love to equipped not just our Skitarii but mortals just as good as the Solar Aux.

"If we want to all we would need to do is just encourage them to take on more Tech Priest training and specialize. We are already converting them all into de facto Tech Marines"
That's the big question. When can we do that.

We've always talked about trying to train and convert our Acillians into Techmarines en masse, a stepping stone to becoming true Tech Adepts and maybe even Techpriests. Lucius is supposedly rich so we can afford it, and we now have connections with Mars who has already trained some Techmarines. Now the question is when can we start the Great Re-Training?

" What we don't have is the normal human ones."
"Tal0S influence is limited to warfare, Null Tech, and Genetor"
Yeah, what we lack is diversification and inclusion for the forces under our command.

Which, hopefully by traveling to various forge worlds, we will improve. Win over more mortal techpriests with lots of experience, and gather more bright minds to train our boys. In time, we'll have our own very potent R&D team and more connections to other intelligent groups and resources.

Also for being focused on war, I'm not entirely sure how diverse or well supplied our Non-Acillian contingents are. We have seen plenty about our Knights, Titans, and Acillians. But how about big our Cyberneticae forces are, and what models are available or how large our Aux is. We've yet to receive any penal legions.

And our navy. We have got to start doing better than Frigates and Cruiser too.

But for now we are building up defense on Lucius and focusing on forge world politics so that's not a priority for now until we need commence the Great Mitu counter-offensive and reconquista.

Actually, I should probably just ask how does a common Skitarii or a Lucian skitarii compare to a Solar Auxilary. They are closer to baseline humans than our cybernetic populace, but the Solar Aux has the creme of the crop of human gear that terra will provide for soldiers nigh short of things reserved for heroes and officers like artificier armor. Imagine Aux void armor is at least on par with Sororitas armor.

It stands to reason that if the Solar Aux troopers aren't as augmented as Skitarii/Taghamta but just equipped with good gear, then our very augmented troops could probably benefit from having said good gear. Or at least giving our skitarii better augmetic equivalents to match, like superior exoarmor onto their bodies.

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Ill go on a limb and say skitarii are absolutely superior to solar Auxilia or even the finest kitted Imperial Army regiment. Especially Lucius' skitarii because how rich we are.
Think of what they use and why. Void armor so they have protection from space and give them more strength. Well our Skitarii have bodies steel and have bionic limbs. They give themselves cybernetic brains to be better soldiers when our people are modified like that from birth.
Who do you think provides and maintains that equipment? The personal teleporters and robot artillery. It is the mechanicum We're the suppliers.

The Solar Auxilia is compensating for the fact that they arent Skitarii. We dont have to catch up to them, they have to catch up to us. And they will fail, because the flesh is weak.

>>5257922
Except Skitarii is a fuck ton more expensive than solar Auxilia anon. Much easier to replace a meatbag and throw him the same kit as the last guy who died using the exact same kit than it is to replace a Skitarii. You also have to keep in mind its unfair to compare with Lucius Skitarii when they have just been retrofitted by Tal0S who tinkered with their manufacturing and training. Lucius Skatarii are also a lot more mobile and rapid deploying. Not including the vast new amounts of wealth, resources, and manpower being poured into development that will even approach Mars.

Ultimately Skitarii is just too damned expensive and hard to replace compared to Solar Auxilia. I mean Lucius Skitarii conversion centers were literally too efficient after Tal0S upgrades that they were endangering of completely depleting the planet of population. We did the same thing with servitors but that doesn't solve the expenses problem just how quickly we can replace losses and repair the wounded. The Auxillia meanwhile are easier to train, heal, and replace in mass. Its a disadvantage that Tal0S is keenly aware of and hence is fondness for logistics and attrition based warfare.

>>5257901
Acillians are. We haven't gotten our hands on replacing all the Second Legion's gear yet. Their arsenal is still standard. Its what happens when ALL your Astartes are knock off Tech Marines. They have a LOT of free time to tinker and replace their arsenals. I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if they had even replaced all their vehicles yet and larger pieces of equipment with mastercrafted replacements that they assembled by hand together.

Trying to streamline their process is the tricky part. Acillian gear is practically all custom artificier masterworks they made themselves, but they DID offer their designs to the Admech with Tal0S permission. The issue is...well how complex their revisions and modifications are. The Acillians are no doubt already planning to replace the Second Legion's entire arsenal with their own stocks. Extending that privilege to others may be tricky as the gear their modifying and making is designed for Astartes since they had none until they made it for themselves. Considering UZ1's interaction with them I do not think they have yet to expand their manufacturing and modifications to service non Astartes. As we haven't instructed them to and they haven't seen the need given how much more baseline humans had at their disposal.

I'm not sure we can get our Acillians to make that much kickass gear for everyone. I mean yeah it's their biggest hobby and who knows how much they have stockpiled already but none of their stuff is specifically meant to be mass produced or easily handed out to anyone else who isn't Astarte. The only reason the Second Legion gets dibs on all their fancy toys is that they are brothers. Although its only a matter of time before the other Legions find out about the all their fancy toys and gear thus want some.

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>>5257922
That does make a lot of sense honestly. Maybe I am underestimating our Skitarii.

>>5257942
IIRC unless I am wrong Skitarii are more like specialists, rather than the Admech's guardsman equivalent. More like Karskins or Stormtroopers. Forge Worlds have their own style of PDF/Guardsmen that have a name I've forgotten and can't remember.

"Except Skitarii is a fuck ton more expensive than solar Auxilia"
Well, my plan was to offset that by merit of having more resources and in that regard Lucius is doing spectacular. But also even if we can't mass produce Skitarii in the same numbers of guardsmen, there are other ways to bulk up our legion. Techthralls, Cyberneticae, Servitors and Cyborg Abhumans (Servitor Ogryns are very close to Astartes statewise).

To put it bluntly, for the 2nd legion it won't matter if we don't have as many Astartes as another legion, or even as many baseline human aux like the Ultramarines. If each Acillian is like a knock off techmarine, and we make ourselves capable of supplying them even with 1 squad of servitors, cyberneticae robot, or a group of guardsmen, we exponentially increase the size of our army. That's what I'm hoping to be the 2nd's big legacy, to be a legion known to be unmatched in the sheer weight of its mass and numbers, and to have perfect integration of Techmarine Astartes with vast quantities of auxilia and cybernetica forces. The truly industrial legion that Perturabo could only dream of. . .and we'll probably have to bankroll Perturabo a lot.

Add to this Lucius is only rich now because we've connected it to so many resource planets, but its not fully optimized. But we haven't even so much as touched increasing its efficiency. If Lucius is already more resource productive than Mars now, just imagine how much more it could be if Talos applies himself to it. We'd have more wealth than we know to do with and w can easily both use it to increase our army, fuel the great crusade, and fund our biggest research projects and the Emperors too.

QM has graciously gifted us with the vast quantities of resource for Step 1, now we just need to figure out the steps to turning those resources into our Legions benefit.

"Trying to streamline their process is the tricky part."
Yeah that's the main thing i'm hoping to achieve if it isn't already. "Can we ensure our Legion can do this for all knew recruits." If we can just produce high quality standardized parts in large number, and then rely upon our troops being able to customize them and upgrade into superior gear, that might be the way to achieve it.

Truly it all boils down to a simple question: "Is Lucius rich enough yet to afford making the 2nd Legion into a legion of Techmarines and what would it take"

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It would be one thing to fight a company or even a platoon of Techmarines, each armed with the deadliest of guns, the finest of self artificed armors, and augmented to be 90% machine.

It's another if you give each one of those techmarines a contingent of combat servitors, whom are sophisticated enough to be useful tools rather than a hindrance.

And then, what if you could make those combat servitors stronger than baseline humans by replacing them with Ogryns.

The amount of force amplification we could theoretically provide to our legion with the amount of resources Lucius is producing is staggering, where the Astartes is not simply our sole primary force but a component and a leader of a diverse and expansive army. It's just turning all this raw material Lucius is making into a refined product, that's the tricky part.

IIRC Emperor actually does this with his Custodes, where some of them are tasked to act as generals who are given command of a sector and an army of Solar Auxilia to defend that front. I'll try to find the specific line.

>>5257960
You are severely underestimating the sheer recruiting prowess of Astarte genome carriers in the population controlled by Lucius. Unlike other Astartes Legions we don't try to kill our Aspirants off because a dead Aspirant cannot have a family even if they're a failure. One of the first things Tal0S did when he got together with the other Genetors was maximize the recruitment vectors and procedures for Astartes Aspirants. The issue of course is the...drop in quality since we don't want dead Aspirants but retired/failed ones who have families instead. Tal0S has already optimized the recruiting for his Legion. Its just only the Acillians are benefiting from this and why we have so damned many of them and we haven't even got the entire Second Legion back yet. Quite a few Lucius Genetors are more than a little obsessed with family building thanks to the failures to come up with other means to acquire Astartes Aspirants. It wasn't just fodder for servitors, serfs, and Skitarii recruits were pillaged from those human worlds. Aspirants were also carefully filtered and if they failed given resources for family planning instead. Tal0S Legion is the ONLY Astartes that actually does have optimized recruitment its just their standards are also the lowest of all Legions as well as a direct result.

Yeah optimizing our worlds is definitely on our to do list but I am not sure how much we can accomplish without Rowboat Girlyman to pick his brain about it. We know how to optimize industries and logistics but the administration is a very different problem. Especially for worlds, we wish to be more...pristine.

Except only the Tech Priests and Acillians have the technological knowhow to customize, modify, and make stuff on fly and in the field. So just making a ton of parts and dumping it on them won't really work. The Acillians work because they have massive custom workshops they built for themselves and utilize to make everything they need. The parts they need and make themselves are all Artificer tier which is why 'standard issue' for Acillians is customized masterworks they made for themselves. That's not really something you can easily shove onto others. The ONLY reason the Acillians getaway with it because 1 special treatment and 2 Lucius is rich enough to afford it. Keep in mind we already lending out our Steel Wardens as VIP guards for other Tech Priests. So the Techpriests and Admech already see Acillians as an upgrade to their previous skitarii guards. So after we burnt our favor with the Fabricator General and proved how valuable they are. The Admech don't mind covering just how expense Acillians are with their hobbies. It's one of those 'suck it up at least you don't have to build all that shit yourself now' kind of problems.

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Can't seem to find the specific quote I'm looking for but here's some excerpts from Watchers in the Throne.

Thee Emperor made the Custodes to be the best of the best, but he didn't rely on them to fight. He designed them to be part of a greater whole, to command and fight alongside mortal troops just as they had when unifying Terra.

That's a model I hope we can follow with the 2nd.

>>5257987
We may not be Roboute, but even Roboute mentions he's only a specialist but every one of the Primarchs had overlapping skillsets. He and Dorn are both logisticians and he could plan a defense, but Dorn is specialized for defense. I'm sure Talos looking at a bunch of planets could do it better than any mortal Mechanicum overseer. Hell I'm sure even Angron could look at a map and if he could get past the butchers nails point out something and say "why the fuck aren't you doing it like this" and it would be actually very good advice.

Plus Talos also has the benefit of being able to draw from the admech's vast libraries.

For that matter, I mean more like implementing some of the plans discussed previously like improving the standard of living by separating human populated worlds from forge worlds, encouraging the forge worlds to be populated primarily by techpriests and servitor factory workers while the human planets focus on producing said humans who will become servitors. This way unaugmented humans can live healthier lives away from the pollution of the forge worlds, and forge worlds can dispense with the need to maintain an biosphere entirely.

>>5257987
However the odds of them and the sheer difficulty/expense in providing that luxurious service to other troops is...astronomical. Even for Tal0S it would be a bitch. Acillians get away with it because of special treatment and they literally make all that shit themselves. So the simple fact is that the Acillians literally make everything in house, repair, servicing, maintenance, modifications, tinkering, etcetera. This means the only actual upkeep for the Admech to house Acillians is simply providing them with the materials, housing, and odd consultation. That's it.

So for the Admech Acillian upkeep is actually uniquely VERY low in everything BUT resources. Unfortunately, the wonders of Acillian manufacturing and logistics really don't translate over well to other forces. You would need an ungodly amount of Tech Priests, servitors, and Skitarii to handle all the tasks the Acillians handle among themselves for FREE. Acillians are honestly hax in that regard because unlike Astartes they are allowed to branch out into other areas and fields of expertise. Besides the rare Tech, Apothecary, or Psyker. Which ALL Acillians do. Even the most martial Acillians the Steel Wardens are a bunch of paranoid duelists to obsess over everything security related. Bastards are probably already masters of Electronic Warfare and can troll the Alpha legion when it comes to hacking.

The downside to that though is also obvious. Tal0S's Astartes are the...well weakest in a fight compared to other Legions. Good luck trying to beat them in terms of numbers, equipment, or logistics. His entire doctrine is about beating the shit out of you with attrition, better toys, and superior logistics.

>>5257967
Acillians already deploy with Servitors, Techpriests, and Skitarii is standard doctrine. I don't think we can afford to send them out with Cybernetica or abhuman servitors/skitarii yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they were drooling over getting their own robots to tinker with though. So Acillian Force Projection is already immense. Unlike other Astartes they actually like having company along. Its what makes fighting Acillians very annoying compared to other Astartes is their love for mixed units.

>>5257992
The issue is they won't be as fully optimized compared to what Rowboat accomplished. He was the best primarch at that. While we could definitely get things headed in the right direction we still gotta get rid of those atrocious Hive Worlds and convert them into literally anything else. While we need to consider how to treat, process, organize and manage those worlds beyond the poor showing of Frontier, Knight and Forge. Mainly due to yeah how inefficient it is. I mean sure we squeeze out more peformance out of them than the Imperium but that is only because we are willing to throw enough tech at it. We could really use a FAG for Planetary Management or something wait I think it was called TITS or something right?

Lowering the quality of our aspirants in favor of increasing the quantity of survivors fits well for us because we acknowledge the weakness of flesh and try to use bionics and technology to make each individual stronger.
failed aspirants are still superior to the regular human populace. some chapters let them return home with honor and pension even if they are mutilated. in our case fix the mutilations with bionics and they can just go on to become techpriests or even skitarii leaders

>>5258002
Failed aspirants are how we make moar future aspirants. Plus good luck convincing the Genetors to go along with it. I'm pretty sure that would literally cause a riot among the genetors while they REEE from sheer rage. Genetors already harvest sperm from Aspirants before Acillian conversion as standard protocol for their experiments, family building, and eugenics practices. Tal0S Astartes are noteworthy in that dead Aspirant is a useless one to them. So good luck trying to convince them to let failed aspirants transition into risky professions. The Genetors want large families from them.

We haven't noticed it yet since not enough time has passed yet but Tal0S Astartes are likely to turn into a multigenerational familial recruiting somewhat akin to how the Custodes work with Terran nobility. Except they would be families who are carefully groomed and tailored by Genetors from birth to maximize their potential aspirant numbers and quality. So the whole thing about Family...should be taken literally once enough time actually has passed. You will likely indeed see uncles, fathers, sons, grandfathers, grandsons, granduncles, ect all having Astartes members and serving together. Really depending on just how many offspring the Genetors can arrange from Aspirants, Astartes(before conversion) sperm banks, and Astarte Gene carriers.

It is something the genetors are already working on. Yet oh man would it piss them off if you tried to touch those failed aspirants. To the Genetors they are precious genetic resources whose genes need to be optimized, studied, and proliferated into the genepool as much as possible. Especially the failures since clearly they are...lacking but still breedable(of course that is what the sperm banks are for).

All this talk of logistics lol. Always about the logistics he is going to spend weeks of conversation with Guilliman or Perturabo when we meet them

How about since it seems like we might go for psy candles, do you think QM would make a navigator characters we would meet? Wonder if Talos might see in their genetics or their third eye. As captain of both the Blackstone Fortres and the Onis Probandi he should have a good working relationship with his navigator and astropath.

We also didn't get a chance to ask the Emperor about our sight. Is he or Horus still in the system or did they depart abruptly? He didnt leave us much time to talk with him...

/dice 1d10

>>5258013
I mean, that was the plan. Depending on what you choose I will write a session getting more and more into it.

I think a conversation between TalOS and what will (Likely) become his personal Navigator would be VERY interesting.

>2nd legion exists
>Suddenly this trailer comes out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0X1W5p_LaE
Coincidence? I think not!

>>5258120
I think Talos will like Navigators and Astropaths when they tell him that unlike other conventional psykers, they are the "safe" version and have no risk of corruption or opening up a tear in reality (they have no "Psychic Phenomena", and no "Perils of the Warp").

They don't summon the warp or open up rifts, they just look at it. Sure they might. . .or probably will go mad eventually. But that's the end of it. No possession.

Talos will be more enthusiastic to back them than most other psykers.

>>5258140
>They don't summon the warp or open up rifts, they just look at it.
So when are we making three eyed sunglasses out of those crystals for them?

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>>5258144
I think it's likely. In fact, looking at the abilities of Navigators they may be his one exception to designing warp tech. Because they are the PERFECT example of what his ideal a "psyker" should be. A safe, low powered being that is relatively less risky and can be used to even fight or detect more dangerous warp phenomena.

Here's some of a Navigators Abilities:
>Inward View - There are many myths about the Navigators' "third eye", its origins supposedly harking from the ancient past of Old Earth itself. The Navis Nobilite knows that such stories are not wholly mythical, though, and that it is entirely possible to discover hidden knowledge and a degree of inner calm using the Navigators' own unique brand of introspective meditation. Many of the older, more cloistered members of the Navigator dynasties spend prolonged periods in their Reclusiam Chapels, meditating upon philosophical issues and esoteric lore.
>Mind Shielding - By using a rare, ancient relic known as a Cerebrum Cowl, Navigators can tap into their innate mental resistance to the Immaterium and use it to shield others from psychic mental influences. While the archeotech is normally used to amplify the powers of the mutants for warp navigation, it can also be used to disrupt and protect from psychic-based mental attacks and traps and other such insidious threats.
>Obliterating the Immaterial Wake - Using arcane knowledge of Warp physics and even special techno-arcane devices (such as a ship's Warp Vanes), the Navigator can influence tides in the Warp and attempt to obliterate any trail left from his voidship's passing through the Immaterium and even realspace, making it difficult, if not impossible, to track. Using this ability is distracting and physically taxing, however, as the Navigator risks unconsciousness and physical damage.
>Ætheric Disruption - Navigators understand, as few others can, that to perceive a thing is to alter it. By casting their gaze into the churning depths of theAbyss, they disrupt it for any who would draw upon its power. Use at the start of the controlling player’s turn. Until the beginning of their next player turn, all Psykers, friend or foe, roll three dice and discard the lowest result for the purposes of Perils of the Warp results.

A large part of their abilities specifically reduce the threat of enemy psykers and demons!

If we had a Navigator who could help obliterate the Immeterial Wake we leave behind, perhaps the Mitu would have been less likely to follow us. And mind shielding sounds exactly like the sort of thing Talos would want access to for his legions.

The best part? Given that we are currently balling ourselves into one giant fleet, we only really need a few to guide the blackstone fortress. The rest could be used to investigate and even hone in their skills of aiding our legion on the battlefield to detect and repel warp entities.

Perhaps if we find any psychic astartes or start having psychic acillians, we can send them to aid the navigator guilds as psyker-techpriests instead of librarians, so that we can still invest in pariah tech without devaluing our psychic sons.
It would give us better ground to stand on when the council of Nicea happens, and still have a defense against the warp.

>>5257599
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
Investigating those "Cerebrum Cowls" and how they can be used to repel Mitu psykers and Ork Wyrdboyz is something I would think Talos would be interested too if he's going to do Navigator research right now.

>>5258199
Huh, thats actually a really good idea. I like how one person described earlier that the Acillians are not Warriors but Guardians when they were being made and this would only push that. They would be the Guardians of the Navigators and help them incase something like a Daemon Incursion was to happen on the ship.

>>5258203
It's even fitting for their name, since the Ancilia is the shield of Mars, not his spear.

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>>5257599
>Develop the Psy-Candles for the Navigators
Talos still distrust the warp, but navigator and astropath are noblest of psykers. They protect the Machine God's ships and his children, bearing to peer behind the iron curtain where not even he would dare. The ancients were wise to create them. They talk to the ship machine spirit, guide them safely through the realm of thoughts and monsters.

Putting navigators in this light really does make them seem good servants of the Machine God. Talos can realize he's safer having these psykers onboard the ship in the warp than without.

>>5258307
Yeah, i just hope its gonna be a somewhat bumpy transition, TaL0S is both a priest and a scientist, so he should change his mind or rather adjust his dispositions according to reality, but they won't be fast or especially pretty.

>>5257599
>Work on personal augmentations

Psi Candles
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Research into the Astartes and Acillians
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Augmentations
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The idea of traveling two weeks within the Warp to travel to their destination was… terrifying to TalOS. Now a Primarch like him did not expreince terror in the sense that a normal human did. For a human paranoia would develop in the irrational and take over the mind to the point where the false became true to it.

For a Primarch and the current Ship Captain at that, TalOS knew exactly what could happen. It was the reason that he checked the Gellar Field several times. Through his knowledge he was 97.8% certain that there would not be a form of warp incursion upon the ship that he was carried upon. Add into that the Blackstone Amulet that hanged within his room and the chances of TalOS actually experiencing death upon this vessel was low. He also knew though the power of the Gods, those that would see him dead if they could help it.

Thus TalOS’s paranoia was not false in that it was grounded in the reality that there were indeed Gods out there that would seek his death.

This only mounted the reasons as to TalOS’s annoyance at the issue before him. It was not that he could do it but instead the Primarch had to willingly create a device that went against the nullification technology that he was making. Something that caused the area around it to become a positive Psi-rating rather than a negative one like he prefered.

At first the Primarch knew an immediate solution. Using the designs and internals of a Warp Engine TalOS could quickly energize and create something that would turn the crystal positive to whatever he set it to.

Then he realized how dangerous something like that was. A Warp Drive was something that even TalOS barely understood and could be a great risk every single time it was operated. Mainly that was because of a rule TalOS was starting to realize about the Universe.

Electricity, chemistry, and steel. These were the things that were of this universe and were anathema to the warp. TalOS, cursed with the knowledge of a two psyker civilizations, recognized that neither of them developed these things. The Plastoids, while being able to travel insane distances instantly, were still using hoes and beast-driven carts. The Mitu Collective, while seemingly advanced, used the very crystal within his hand instead of try and true electrons.

Instead the Warp and its users ran off of symbolism and drew their power from that. The dreadful Plastoids had their belief in a foul god while the Mitu used the symbols of catalysts to draw on their power. Such unclean arts that did not bow to reality.

The Warp Engine ultimately was an enigma but it made sense. With perfect control it gripped both reality and the warp, tearing a hole in both to allow transition. Same for at a minor extent teleporters and Noospheric communication. The issue was if TalOS created essentially a miniature stable Warp Hole Maker that would lead directly into the Warp. It was one thing his hands will never willingly make.

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As TalOS reflected upon all this he began to hear footsteps. Those steps did not belong to UZ1 for TalOS did not want his apprentice to be tainted by such dangerous knowledge. It was not the Acillians for only the Steel Wardens were allowed to be present thanks to the sheer danger this project might cause. The fewer bodies there were, the weaker the Warp was, so TalOS went for his best guardians to limit that danger.

No, it was the feet of the person who he contacted.

“Primarch TalOS, it is an honor for both myself and House Lancaster to be within your presence today.” Declared the Navigator known as Lawrence Lancaster as he looked at the Primarch’s back.

TalOS made a show of his hand in instruction to the Psyker to take a seat. To say TalOS was wary of this person was an understatement beyond measure. The simple fact that TalOS needed to employ two of their kind was simply a contingency in case there was some matter of corruption or death caused by the Warp. TalOS had seen the records and while they did not have nearly as high of a mortality rate as the Astropaths their risk of death was still very much present.

Finally getting the last of his latest test prepared TalOS turned to see the small and somewhat famish man. Being a Tech Priest and Primarch TalOS towered over the rather meek person. This fact, and likely others, were the reason the psyker looked upon TalOS with several tinges of fear upon him.

TalOS noticed that while he felt it the man did not say it. He was not trying to hide it from what TalOS could tell, but attempting to overcome such feelings.

It was then, for a moment, TalOS realized something.

“My… apologies.” The Primarch said in a somewhat anguished tone as he reached over and picked several sticks of incense, “Do your kind mind?”

“If that is incense, my Lord Primarch, then it is acceptable. We use it many times in our own rituals.”

TalOS felt a bitter comment coming up before smashing it and banishing it to his Machine Spirits. His creator not only trusted these beings, but likely created a large amount of their families. Such a person, TalOS would lastly admit, was blessed by the Machine God with knowledge and thus his sponsorship should not be taken lightly.

That thought along with the present smell of incense started to calm him. He could feel the Machine Spirits agitation lapse and even the spirit of Particep Semper began to sleep once again. An ounce of trust was needed here for him to gain theirs.

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“Navigator Lawrence.” TalOS spoke the name of the Navigator without care, “I have been looking into your request. To develop an inhibitor so that your kind are not troubled by the presence of the Blackstone Fortress.”

The Navigator blinked a moment in surprise with his two normal eyes. At the moment TalOS noticed that the psyker was keeping his third eye close in what was likely an attempt to stave off the insanity of the Warp. It was… wise.

“We did not want to trouble you so much Lord Primarch.”

“It is Arch Dominus TalOS.” TalOS announced without subtlety. The look upon the man’s face was that of clear fear. Like he was stuck within the room with a mutant that would eat his face off. It was human, “I had heard your pleas and realized they were rational. I have heard similar among serfs and seen readings from the Skitarii. The Presence is not pleasant or healthy for a Psi-Positive species like humanity.”

The Psyker opened his mouth for a moment and then closed it. He then looked at TalOS in fear and then became confused. The Psyker seemed to finally find the word he was looking for, “That is a fine understanding you have. I had heard that your kind was intelligent in matters beyond many’s comprehension and you only proved it.”

TalOS looked at the psyker and thought to himself. The wonder if those were buttering words or a compliment swam within his head for several seconds as he weighed the options against several matrices. They arrived that it was a simple compliment addressed by a menial to their better.

As he thought this TalOS noticed subtle changes in the man’s form. Shifting and wavering from to the left until he reached the edge of his seat. As if to realize the studying of TalOS the man blurted out, “My apologies A-Arch Dominus TalOS. It's just your magnificence has no equal.”

A white lie, that is how the Machine Spirits answered TalOS upon analyzing the statement. It was an attempt to disway the Arch Dominus from taking his movements as anything other than that of a fearful man. He did not seem cornered anymore though and that meant something for TalOS.

“Understanding is the True Path to Comprehension.” TalOS spoke as he allowed his mind to work like electricity through a cord, “Comprehension is the Key to all Things. The Machine God knows All, comprehends all.”

TalOS allowed those words to sink and go through his body. He felt an ease of reality crawl through him as the Primarch allowed himself to be taken in by the divinity of dogma.

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“W-wise words. Are they the Universal Laws?” The Navigator said as if the same calm that washed over TalOS washed over him.

“Yes, they are.” The Primarch declared as he felt as much as peace as he was going to be next to a person who can shower him in lightning, “As I understand it you came from Mars. Then you have an understanding of our goal?”

“It's the Quest for Knowledge.” Lawrence pointed out.

“That can be a term for it. We seek to comprehend the universe. Only then can we be one with the Machine God.” TalOS told the psyker, “To work with us further that is what you must understand. Knowing that we are a Psi-Positive species does not mean anything unless you comprehend it.”

“I… understand Arch Dominus TalOS.” The Navigator declared with an emotion that TalOS only saw at this moment. A hint of respect.

TalOS gave an approving nod before presenting the device, “To those complaints I have made this, a Psi-Suppression Regulator. Once the crystal is set to Psi-Positive it will become able to regulate the local area to its specific Psi level. The reason I brought you here is that I need you to raise its presence to that of a standard human.”

The Navigator looked at TalOS with a sense of genuine confusion, “You cannot?”

TalOS narrowed his eyes and made the next few words as clear as he could with the voice of normal men, “I will not.”

The Navigator placed a hand on his chest and took in a breath as a wave of emotions hit him, “ Would you give me a moment?”

“Take your time, but I will not allow manifestations.” TalOS ordered the Navigator with the authority of a king.

“I-I understand.”

And with those words the man before TalOS took in a deep breath, just like when a Tech Priest would begin a ritual, opening his third eye.

>Examine what he does deeply, question it after he finishes.
>Speak with him to understand the Navis Nobility. See how they can work better between one another.
>Increase his understanding of the Mechanicum. He needs to comprehend what he serves!
>Send him back once the job is done.

>>5258977
Dunno if anyone minds the longer updates. I mostly do it to set the scene and try to convey moments like this. A normal human will be flooded with the emotions of a Primarch. Know how nasty it can be to a Psyker especially when the Primarchs rarely interact with human psykers.

>>5258977
>Examine what he does deeply, and question it after he finishes.
this will be fundamental to both understanding their powers, how they interact with the crystals, and trying to figure out how to counter someone trying to turn our blank tech into psy-tech (or allow us to do the opposite).