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It is time for your grand voyage.

You are Cijan Anak, the Supreme Ruler of the Jaxtian people and the Hegemony. As your predecessor did before you, you have decided to go on a little adventure while you're still young and to aide your nation and people in a ever more hostile universe. You are surrounded on almost all sides by enemies. The Esaal, the Consortium races, and the mysterious “Cyte”. There is only one neighbor who has had no contact with you for the longest time- the Galactic Society of Aristocrats.

With your culture of merited aristocracy and rich culture, perhaps you can make a good impression on them and become steadfast allies?

You organized this mission- the finest warships and support vessels are grouped together. With FTL and hyperspace travel, you can comfortably reach your destination within a year's time; and your journey back will be about the same. You took much of the Hegemony's space military with you to protect yourself and to keep yourself safe.

Beyond meeting the GSA, you have two other objectives. The first is to take back the Hazaar homeworlds from the Baalathi aliens, and the second is to recover a Baalathi computer core from their gas giant homeworld- to do so will complete your secret long term empire project- the Threemind computer system!

You are joined by two fellows; Farro Val, a high ranking pilot and skilled captain who will help lead the fleet, and Jale Berax, a rags-to-riches Alpha Jaxtian who played a covert operative on the big screen and in real life. You three are the triumvirate who will bring success to this mission, and glory to the Hegemony!
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“And don't forget about me! Reconquistaaa!”

Previous Thread- https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5207039/
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Outfitted with the latest technology, this powerful warhost will be capable of easily defeating the Baalathi that inhabit both systems- as long as they are the only threats you will face there.

You actually ordered and helped design the first generation of Crusiers- your heaviest ship class. Mass produced in the Nan shipyards, these vessels are many times more powerful then your old solar-system defenses that you once made to defend yourself from the Baalathi capsule all those centuries ago. But these ships are also going to be your home for quite some time, so you've made sure the largest and most powerful flagship of the fleet has a little extra.

”Gentlemen! Allow me to show you to the inner sanctum of this ship- the Supreme's own quarters.”

”Oh wow, this is so fancy!” Jale says, seemingly excited to be in the presence of such privilege and prestige.

”The both of you are, of course, welcome to it whenever you wish. I tried to keep it a surprise- but I couldn't stop the captain of our vessel from snooping if he so wanted...”

”No, your Majesty. I have done no snooping. I am as curious as Jale is. Lead the way.”

>Show them with grace
>Show them with gusto
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>>5284679
>>Show them with gusto
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>>5284679
>Show them with grace
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>>5284679
>Show them with gusto
Good, we're back. I wonder how much the consortium expanded in our cluster
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>>5284679
>>Show them with gusto
Get in here boooooys!
Also lol Bluey.
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>>5284679
>Show them with gusto
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>>5284686
Bluey is the only good hazaar to have existed. The moment he dies the whole race will be sent down the gutter.
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>>5284691
Sunshine is a fine bug. Shame he got pair-bonded to Yaun'tul.
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>>5284679
>>Show them with gusto
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>>5284679
>Show them with gusto

>>5284702
Would’ve loved a Bluey/Sunshine pairing, I think it would’ve been adorkable.
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>>5284742
I still don't think Bluey would ever mate with a Hazaar.
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>>5284745
Still would’ve been a nice pairing mefeels.
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>>5284679
>Show them with grace
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>Show them with grace


New objective parameters established.

Terciary mission objective: Liberate the hazaar homeworld, acquire balaathi technology and contact the GSA.

Secondary mission objective: Protect as many vessels and crew from the jaxtian fleet as possible.

Primary mission objective: Protect Bluey.
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>>5284679
>Show them with grace
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>>5284702
Sunshine is an accomplice to him. He saved his skin before already, too.

Bluey is the only good hazaar because of his origins. He actually knows how stupid the original hazaar are because he saw it first hand, and doesn't resent the monkes for keeping them alive when they didnt need to like yuan does.
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>>5284679
>Show them with grace
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>>5284986
Even after the last thread, the protagonist-centred moral myopia is back in force, I see.
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>>5284986
I’m pretty sure the vast, vast majority of Hazaar are just trying to keep the lights on, and Yuan is the only one who’s about to go full genocidal.

Sunshine, particularly, just wanted friends, which isn’t exactly the actions of a monster. Also, equating our Hazaar with the Red Hazaar seems unfair when there’s less genetic similarity between them than us and bonobo monkeys.
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Also, we’re the one who literally put them in concentration camps and used them for medical experiments.
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>>5285038
>I’m pretty sure the vast, vast majority of Hazaar are just trying to keep the lights on
Hazaar don't have an inborn sense of morality unless they're half-breeds.
>>5285039
We put everyone in concentration camps and medical experiments, anon. We literally had a choice to kill a guy for no reason other than "1 dollar"
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Also, we’re committing drawn out genocide on the red Hazaar by not allowing them to have pure blooded children, and we enslaved their children from the moment of birth to their dying day, and their children will always be second class citizens with only enough rights as so to keep them subdued… unless it’s more convenient to feed them alive to a space worm.
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>>5285043
Fair. But our hybrid bazaars are ok.

Also, medical experiments, fair enough, but the concentration camps thing isn’t true. The Jaxtians have many, many more freedoms than any other species in the Hegemony. The Hazaar, until recently, couldn’t even decide where they lived, what they ate, who they slept with, where they went, had mandatory labour duties, were basically on a featureless death planet, etc.

The Hegemony is dystopia for everyone, but it really is dedicated to a decent quality of life for Jaxtians. Same isn’t true for anyone else.
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>>5284679
>Show them with gusto
WE BACK ONLINE NETORARE BROS
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>>5284679
>Show them with gusto
WE BACK BOYS!
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You show them the inside of your inner sanctum.

”This is like a Class Two or Three Mansion back on Jaxt...”
”It basically is! And with the many support ships going along, we have some room in the flagship for this little extravagance. It's going to be my home away from home for the next few years. Might as well enjoy it.”
”This stuff is from all around the colony worlds. Vetuck grain wine, Andoen skull... Is that a Swall egg?”
”Indeed.”
”But why, your majesty, are we bringing along such luxury with a warhost? It may not be in my place to ask why his grace is to have such luxury but...”

”No Farro, I'm glad you asked. The truth is that luxury is not inherently bad. Things gain value based on their rarity- the exclusivity of a thing is what grants it its value. We could easily mint billions of golden rings or amulets for Hegemony citizens to wear- why don't we? Why don't we allow everyone to wear a golden band? Because doing so would make them worthless. Rare, fine, expensive items- these are not inherently bad, nor is collecting or displaying them as a mark of pride an Anti-Social behavior. To be surrounded by fine things as a result of one's own actions that brings satisfaction and reward- it is only when the desire for these things alone, not as a reward for accomplishment, does it lead to degeneracy.”

”You also probably want to share our culture with the Aristocrats too, your Highness?”

”Yes, exactly right, Jale. From what little we know of the GSA, they seem to value the finer things in life, and have a highly hierarchical society like our own. They certainly practice some form of imperialism and eugenic control- if we arrive there as a spartan collection of warships we'd be thought of as a primitive race at best; and possibly a band of mercenaries at worst.”

”I see. Thank you for explaining, your Majesty.”

”But I'm not quite finished, Farro. I was about to shift the discussion to yourself.”

”Me?”

”Yes, and specifically, about your Space Suit!”
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”My suit? What's wrong with my suit?!” He asked, as though suddenly wounded.
”Nothing! But, ahh, were you not paying attention to anything I was just saying?! You wear the same suit that the astronauts and pilots do, the same suit originally derived from Jale's light armor “battlesuit”.”
”But I am a pilot!”
”Yes, but you are also a Captain. For the longest time, we have not had a real symbol of office- of military ranking. On the one hand, it shows a degree of comradely and humility, which I can always appreciate, but we never really created this symbol of office. It's important.”
”Isn't a pilot flightsuit our “traditional” dress?”
”In a sense. The greatest star pilots in our history are Shintar Val, your ancestor, as well as Kimnan I and II. But they were all pilots, always more comfortable in a tiny fighter or bomber fighting enemies with their own wit and skill. You are a commander, a new, special uniform for all Starship Captains going forward will give your position a rise in status. With larger and multi-crewed starships becoming more and more important and core to our space military, captains and commanders will be more important then ever.”
”Hmm, well, I suppose you are right then.”
”Any suggestions?”
”Oh- me? No no, please your majesty, I am no artist or uniform designer! This is too large a decision to be left to me. Just please make sure it is practical for work...”

You have decided that Starship Captains of the Hegemony will need to start wearing a unique uniform- and you must decide on what that uniform will be- from now until the end of time! This will be a chance to show off the Hegemony's military might and traditions as well- which is something you value highly. You have just enough time to commission a design before you leave on your scheduled voyage- naturally teams of both AI and Jaxtian artists could help you iron out pretty much any design you could want and could take care of the details and keep it "practical". You just need to give them a prompt. What will be your criteria for this new special captain uniform?

>Simple
>Flashy
>Other (Write ins will only be accepted with a drawing!)
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I think we should get something following the hegemony's overall simple style without being *too* spartan
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>>5285075
>Flashy/Other

Fashy Fashion
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>Other
Sorry for the shitty drawing, my proposal is a modified version of the uniform Eoba I used, with an hegemonic symbol and epaulettes.
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>>5285116
I like it, +1
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>>5284677
>the crusade has come
H Y P E

>>5285116
I like it. Nice callback to our history.
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>>5285109
Powerful "Are we the baddies?" Energy.
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>>5285119
Maybe this could be a good compromise?
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>>5285075
Too lazy to draw this rn
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>>5285075
>Flashy
>Other
Blue Monke Power Ranger.
Not gonna draw, cry about it.
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>>5285116
+1
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>>5285218
Hmm, looking good, +1 this!
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>>5284691
He set up illegal black ops rape camps.
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>>5285406
Rape is how his species propagates
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>>5285043
>Hazaar don't have an inborn sense of morality unless they're half-breeds.
Depending who who ask NO one does. (Or rather "inborn morality" is a name ascribed to various unconscious instincts developed for the preservation of the species.)

In any case it's illogical to say any life form is biologically good or evil.

Also the Hazaar aren't amoral, they Red Hazaar from the mine for extreme extremely defensive of the fetuses of their young.
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>>5285412
> extreme extremely defensive of the fetuses of their young.
Yeah. so they could use them as literal meatshields after they were born

Red Hazaar are amoral. Their entire society was basically ancapistan where you just did whatever the fuck you wanted on your own. That's how they ended up dooming themselves and causing the Balaathi Crisis.
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>>5285410
No. Sex is. Sunshine consensually had sex with Yuan. Just because individual Hazaar are rapists doesn't mean the entire species is built on rape.
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>>5285415
>Yeah. so they could use them as literal meatshields after they were born
The Hegemony used those very same children as plantation slave labor and also fed them to a space work. When they were like ten or something
Having a different set of values doesn't mean they have no values.

From a Human point of view one could see the Hegemony's extreme "pragmatism" as amoral, but we know they have a series of core values.

The Hazaar are no different
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>>5285419
Aliens aren't people
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>>5285416
There is literally an entire sub-species centered around shooting people with their pricks. Soldiers, forgot?
>>5285419
That is completely different. It's one thing to use grown hazaar to terraform a planet, it's another to use children as meatshielsd
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>>5285218
+1
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>>5285425
Nobody in this quest is "people" by a standard which excludes aliens.
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>>5285428
They weren't grown. The Hegemony enslaved children and used them to work harsh land. Now it's fine if you ooc or ic are cool with that but you can't claim the Hazaar are evil because of geo they treat kids when the Hegemony does the same type of stuff .
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>>5285442
Jaxtians are people, Migrators are people Blue Hazaar are like 10% people
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>>5285443
>They weren't grown
Hazaar grow very fast
>you can't claim the Hazaar are evil because of geo they treat kids when the Hegemony does the same type of stuff .
I feel like there's a difference between working light but mostly danger-less labour in the fields (they weren't even doing factory work, just planting stuff to terraform) and putting children infront of live gunfire
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>>5285075
should be something with more worked into functions then the usual suit, style should have a function
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>>5285448
Migrators are barely sapient.

>>5285450
We fed some of the Blazaar to the worm, as pointed out.
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>>5285119
Considering this is the closest we seem to have to a 'Traditional' ship command uniform - the Vul's Revenge being specifically built as a flagship for a fleet of far smaller vessels - it makes sense to use this outfit as a basis for a 'traditionally inspired' Hegemonic uniform.
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>>5285218
Seconding!
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>>5285218
+1
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Seems we have a good candidate. Changing my vote formally from >>5285109 to >>5285218

>>5285075
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>>5285218
I like this design, but i wish it was done like an jumpsuit, since that's how most jaxtians dress
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>>5285582
Robes are popular, too, and this is meant to look more artistocratic, right?
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>>5285584
Those aren't robes, they have pants.
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>>5285592
A robe OVER a jumpsuit. But very well: have some variants?
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>>5285614
Maybe give it a cape?
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>>5285614
I like the second one, it looks like an jumpsuit.
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>>5285675
NO CAPES
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>>5285614
I like this.
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>Let players design new uniform because the Azuirum "flightsuit" model is too complex and I'll need to draw Farro Val a billion times this thread
>>5285218
>becomes the most popular suggestion

Looks great by the way! I dig the aesthetic.
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>>5285714
Did you expect any better when you allowed write ins?
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>>5285714
>giving players a write-in option for uniform selection and expecting low complexity
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>>5285614
We could remove the tassels from the epaulets and do without chest circles and the hat.
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>>5285714
At least it wasn't >>5285109

But like >>5285727 i said, we *could* remove the epaulets.
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>>5285714
Does this help?
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>>5285742
Maybe even this? Less tassels, fewer little details?
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>>5285748
Nice.
I like this but without chest circles.
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>>5285675
Capes are for getting stuck in turbine engines
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>>5285748
this looks good
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>>5285116
>>5285218
>>5285614
>>5285742
>>5285748
I love the fash aesthetic. It's a shame because it just barely doesn't fit the monkies- I drew the old Swall general uniform as being more similar to this kind of uniform.

Here's a quick teaser- look good? I can't update today obvs but I'll get on it as soon as I can.
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>>5285790
I like it
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>>5285790
Works for me!
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>>5285790
Glorious.
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>>5285790
Perfect.
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>>5285681
>>5285775
A robe is just a cape with sleeves though
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>>5285681
>>5285775
I see your point, but isn't a robe a cape with sleeves?
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>>5285790
Gives me TNG vibes. I dig it
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>>5285865
>>5285871
Doesn't billow as dramatically (or as far/dangerously)
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>>5285865
Isn't that a snuggie?
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>>5285938
Snuggies are just glorified, commercially-branded robes.
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>GSA certainly practice some form of imperialism and eugenic control.

With the jaxtians, essal and swall, that's already 4 factions practicing eugenics. Guys, Imma be level with you: I'm getting IRL concerned about what the moral of the story is in this quest.
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>>5286033
Real life doesn't have a moral either.
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>>5286033
>eugenics le bad
Mutation degrades the gene pool and must be counteracted, whether through natural means (unfit individuals dying because the society isn’t advanced enough to keep them alive) or artificial means (eugenics). Otherwise, after several generations, it turns out that most of the population is incapable of contributing to society, at which point the civilization collapses in one way or another
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>>5286033
Eugenics work. Like, it's just a fact. I don't support eugenic controls in real life, but that's only because I don't trust the government or the private elites to evaluate things dispassionately, to distribute them fairly so as to uplift all peoples, or to treat those people and populations who fall by the wayside compassionately. But... Like, if evolution is real, and genetics can be directed to achieve specific ends (dog -breeding and crop development certainly suggests this is the case), there is no reason eugenics couldn't work and every reason it could.

Now, let's get back to this well-written and politically-dubious adventure, together!
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>>5286071
Eugenics don't work. Momentarily disregarding that the traits considered desirable by proponents of eugenics are phenotypical rather than genotypical ("he's bigger and stronger, so that's better, right?"), a species that is apparently fit may carry recessive genes that do not immediately exhibit themselves that will be passed on. This fixation on genetic purity for the purpose of producing "desirable" traits in offspring causes biodiversity to diminish. The resultant genetic similarity means that offspring will suffer the same disadvantages as though they were inbred, a problem that animals free to engage in unconstrained breeding do not face. This phenomenon can be observed in purebred dogs, which are overall simply less healthy than mutts of mixed lineage. And this is all completely disregarding the entire field of epigenetics!

Or to put this in non-science speak: strict eugenics policies will turn a species into inbred sibling-fucking aristocrats. Which is... fitting, considering everything else about this quest.
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>>5286097
Jaxtians have genetic modifications and their actual eugenics are pretty light, you basically just have to not be medically mildly mentally retarded to get a breeding license (the dumb hyperspace scientist was born with an IQ in the mid 80s and that was noted to be slightly above the minimum to be allowed to reproduce).
Obviously nazi-like eugenics are just retarded but a focus on negative eugenics with genetic testing would work IRL.
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>>5285790
Pretty sweet duds! Still think a Hegemonic symbol somewhere would look good, though - symbolising the authority of the state and the position of authority the Captain here holds. Unless... that's the purpose of the golden belt?
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>>5286101
There's no use for eugenics in real life either, however. Research is already being done to find ways to identify and quash genetic diseases via therapy, and animals that are apparently unfit still contribute to the biodiversity and by extension health of a species, so the main draw can't be "health." One could argue for beneficial phenotypical traits, which, again, disregards both their complex relationship with genotype and the field of epigenetics.

That leaves biological determinism, which is based in erroneous assumptions motivated by elitism, not pragmatism.
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>>5285790
Looks good!
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>>5286033
See. One of the things that makes this quest great is the fact that unlike most media in the last 20 years, it isn't thinly disguised propaganda. Stories used to, gasp, be about telling an interesting story.
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>>5286221
I am going to argue that most stories have morals in them just by the virtue of how they portray their character arcs.

Like let's look at something like Ricky Bobby. On the surface not that political but the character arc clearly portrays his actions in the first half of being a self centered ego driven asshole as being a bad thing.

Or Jaws where the villain is wanting to keep the beach open for the sake of tourist dollars.

Or any given cartoon built about "the power of friendship."

You would be hard pressed to find a work of narrative fiction without ANY sort of moral message in it. Even if it's as basic as "Don't be a dick."
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>>5286071
The issue is that selective breeding is a brute tool. It results in life forms specialized to serve very specific purposes that don't at all hell with the natural instincts of the source animal. Bananas can't reproduce sexually, pugs have breathing problems, Cauliflower and Broccoli are basically deformed by natural standards....
To make Eugenics work you would have to find a semi objective rubric for the "right" traits you want in society. (Which is a huge hurdle in of itself that may not actually be possible.)

Assuming you do that you would have to breed them off over a period of many many generations, which in the case of life forms like us is a timescale so large you wouldn't see benefits beyond the marginal for something like a century at least.

And if course that assumes the traits you are trying to select for are mostly genetic as opposed to environmental or sociological.

Finally finally, assuming all those other bits work , due to the nature of how selective breeding works you are gonna have a ton of people with all sorts of side effects and mutations that aren't "ideal."

The only really "practical" way to do it irl would be to sterilize anyone who falls below a certain "threshold" (Which is what various IRL entities have done.). But that just looks around to the subjectivity inherent in such a "culling" and the fact that it can't account for non-biologic issues.

I think the best you could do is ban people with inheritable diseases from breeding but given how many of those are based on carrier genes or merely pass down *chances* of getting it (think Diabetes) the impact of that would be marginal at best.
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>>5286106
>>5285790
I too really like the gold triple ring.
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>>5286109
>>5286097

Your argument against eugenics essentially boils down to "we don't understand the complexity of genetics enough to select only the good stuff without the bad, or to counterbalance the decrease in diversity", to which I say "the Hegemmony has a better understanding of genetics than we do, and deliberately maintains a degree of diversity in their eugenics program".

>>5286263
Your example of broccoli and cauliflower actually demonstrates how eugenics can work just fine if you know what you want and understand the organism enough to get it. broccoli an d cauliflower don't understand that they are "deformed", nor do we consider them such, but we know how to turn them into something useful fro our purposes. If a society knows exactly what it wants, even if it's somethinga s simple as "height, health, and a lack of inheritable neurological conditions", a society with a good-enough understanding of their own genome can achieve that.

>The timescale
True, that's pretty immense... Until you also have sufficiently-advanced genetic engineering and cloning pods and such to speed the process up. The Hegemony is well set-up to utilize eugenics, as are their rival space-nations.

>To make Eugenics work you would have to find a semi objective rubric for the "right" traits you want in society. (Which is a huge hurdle in of itself that may not actually be possible.)
This and compassion for the suboptimal is the only strong argument agaisnt eugenics, in my opinion. I don't trust any real-world government to be benevolent, dispassionate and holistic in their assessment of desirable traits, and evenhanded and kindly in their approach.

Jaxt's government doesn't meet those criteria, either, but they also don't value egalitarianism, compassion, personal freedom, or any of that shit that I care about, and they passed the rubicon of sterilization and culling long ago.

>>5286221
>Stories used to, gasp, be about telling an interesting story.
This is almost never true. The vast majority of stories convey values in what their characters do, and whether in doing so they are framed positively or negatively. The notion that stories have just gotten too dang political/moralizing, and that this is a modern phenomenon, is a notion that doesn't stand up to close scrutiny. For most of human history across most cultures, the most popular stories were cautionary tales, religious stories, and actual government propaganda about how great the king's ancestors were.

>>5286264
>>5286106
I DID intend for the belt, the loop, and the circle on the hat to represent the three rings even without the symbol in my first mock-up of that design... The belt alone probably can stand in for the gold band, which itself is a Jaxtian symbol hearkening back to the three rings of the Supreme.
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>>5286290
>Your example of broccoli and cauliflower actually demonstrates how eugenics can work just fine if you know what you want and understand the organism enough to get it. broccoli an d cauliflower don't understand that they are "deformed", nor do we consider them such, but we know how to turn them into something useful fro our purposes. If a society knows exactly what it wants, even if it's somethinga s simple as "height, health, and a lack of inheritable neurological conditions", a society with a good-enough understanding of their own genome can achieve that.
The biology involved is so complicated that even if you COULD directly link a specific outcome to a specific genetic pattern (which is a very large if to begin with) breeding for that one trait is going to give you someone with that trait and a bunch of random genetic nonsense outside it. Like sure you have a tall person, they also have half sized lungs and bone density issues
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"Seems a little... flashy. Don't you think? So many colors... Most Jaxtains just wear one or two. And I feel a bit awkward at having a more decorated outfit then the Supreme Ruler."
"Well, humility is a oft-desired trait of Suprems. Besides, I have bling, I just left it at home with Hwat... I like the design though; you have elements of the old ceremonial dress of Eoba I and his sash, Eoba II's golden dueling belt, and some new designs too. Plus it still has all the smart materials, just woven into the fabrics and painted over. Here, put on the hat."
"The hat? I'm not wearing a hat. Jaxtians don't wear hats."
"Sometimes they do."
"Can you name even one great Jaxtian that wore a hat? Even one?"
"...Are you denying the greatness of our all powerful and terrible founder, Akule the Unspeakable?"
"W-what!? No! Wait- that's a mask, not a hat! That's different!"
"I'm just yanking your chain."
"...But was it really necessary to change the uniform of every single flight suit and pilot in the Hegemony just to match my new uniform, your majesty?"
"...I'm not changing out of this battlesuit. It was literally designed FOR me...."

You did go along and change the flightsuit regulations for everyone in the Hegemony. With how stable and secure your starships are now, a different uniform for astronauts and pilots is suitable. Plus, you can call be to history- you want your starship crews to match their commanders.

And with that final preparation- the fleet leaves! Your powerful fleet of cruisers, frigates, and support vessels leaves Jaxtian space. You will stay here and command the fleet from the largest and most impressive ship of all- the Bite of Batool, an old Jaxtian legend of a creature whose bite venom grants eternal life, but its bite is so powerful that no one can survive it. It's a very common sort of theme in old Jaxtian religions.

"Onwards!"
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Suspension is a very interesting thing.

You've been in hypersleep suspension before. To enter the state, one eats a tablet of a synthesized protein, you go through a time of drowsiness, your internal body temperature is cooled down, and then you get into a life support pod. Just like going to sleep, you aren't awake for any of it, and you essentially wake up the moment it is over. But unlike regular sleep, there is almost never dreams. It is more like being right on that edge of sleep and wakefulness, where the mind wanders, and the moment when you feel like you're about to slip under, the pod gently warms you and rocks you to wakefulness, and tells you that months have passed...

The Hazaar star cluster is 50 odd light years away. Once an insurmountable distance of space, now shaved down to just 50 days in flight. Still worth a trip into suspension-sleep, but given its minor negative health effects on the sleep cycle and muscle cramps from long periods of not being used- it may one day become unnecessary.

You feel a little odd being one of the first of the crew to enter sleep; but you must let the captain run his ship the way he sees fit. The Bite has one of the best Migrators and Jaxtian Starsight navigators, you have nothing to worry about...
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And just like that, you're here. Within the first of the Hazaar systems- the Baalathi are here as well, naturally very propagated in any system containing a gas giant. They still do not appear to have made any significant scientific progress, despite this system having been colonized and the Baalathi here ingesting a different gas composition; you think this would change their behavior...

“Master.”

It's Bluey. He's on this journey too, naturally. Once the Reconquistia is complete, you intend to leave him in charge of the vassalized Hazaar state. The details will have to be worked out- if any other major powers have claimed this space, or if there are even any Hazaar left to rule..

“I know that, because of my origin and being, I am barely suitable to be along with this journey with you.”
”Ah, don't speak about yourself in that way, old friend. You are one of the Hegemony's greatest assets. Eoba II saw that in you.”
“Thank you, your Majesty. But still, I may request something that will overstep my boundaries, even as your overseer...”

You listen closely.

“I am but 10% Jaxtian. Which means, to me, I am only 10% victim to the Baalathi. I am 90% the perpetrator, much to my eternal shame. But for the longest time, I have wanted to set my people on the right course. The Hazaar, as duitiful, rightful, good little bugs of the Jaxtian species...”
”Spit it out, Bluey.”

The way he is acting is strange. Like he's been rehersing this, or is getting in some strange way emotional; it's hard to read what he's feeling or thinking on his unusual alien face. You don't even like thinking of him that way- after all, he was around and helping run the Hegemony before you were even born. You don't even want to think of him as a 'xeno'.

“Alright- here goes. My Royal Majesty, my Supreme Ruler- Venerated Cijan Anak... Will you allow me the unprecedented honor of ordering the first attack against the Baalathi invaders? I know, it is far above my station, and I fully accept any punishment you deem fit for asking for such an honor...”

>Allow this
>Deny him (gently)
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>>5286333
>Allow this
How can you say no to that?
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>>5286333
>Deny him (gently)
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>>5286333
>Allow this
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>>5286333
>>Allow this
Make sure he doesn't plan or know the timing of the actual attack though. This'll make great propaganda footage, but I don't trust it one damn bit.
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>>5286333
>Allow this
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>>5286333
>Allow this
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>>5286333
>Allow this

"When this crusade is won, you will no longer be Overseer of Xenointegration - you will instead stand as Overseer of the Haazar species and their space within the Hegemony. I could think of no better being to give the official order of the first attack that would bring the Haazar world a liberation from the Baalathi occupiers."
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>>5286333
>Allow this

>>5286400
Making Overseers FOR xenos species is a horrible idea, such a position will either be held by a xeno, which will bring with it desires of autonomy and independence, or by a jaxtian, which will lead to contempt and dissatisfaction.
It's better to have all xenos under the catch-all-department of xenointergration than divide our administration by species.
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>>5286412
As our Hegemony grows and incorproates mroe disparate species in greate rnumebrs and with wider dispersion, that may beicme untenable.
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>>5286421
First thing first, you are a phoneposter, aren't you?
Secondly, those species don't need their own administration, they could be broken up in smaller subdivisions within the Xenointegration Department yes, but it would be better to have them ruled by a bureau of faceless admins and scientists then give them a rallying point.
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>>5286437
>phoneposter?
yeah, and was making french toast with my other hand.

>As our Hegemony grows and incorporates more disparate species in greater numbers and with wider dispersion, that may become untenable.

>Use bureaucracy instead
As someone from a former colony IRL, I assume you: they do not need their rallying point to be a nominal cabinet member or aide of the king. A local manager/governor or state office will do.

If Hazaar start to resent being under the Hegemonic thumb, they won't care about the exact structure of the hand to which that thumb belongs.
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>>5286412
It's more an impressive job title for the new job he's going to get anyway if the 'Reconquista' succeeds, allowing him to be gracefully moved out of the position of Overseer of Xenointegration without any perceived loss of status or position, and allowing us to put someone else into that spot.
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>Deny Him (gently)

Look at the clues folks, the Baalathi here haven't done there usual build up tactics. That tells us the gas here has made them potentially docile.

Remember the last time we fought with Baalathi they were non hostile.

I think we should communicate with them before attacking. Since their tech isn't that advanced they're shouldn't be much potential for backfire.
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I argue over time the position of overseer for Xeno integration won't be needed. We really should just lump all the species together under the same merit based system
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>>5286455
You mean caste system, since that is what it will end up becoming. You ain’t gonna get a Ventuck Scientist or a Baal Marine, so all you’d be doing is essentially creating a caste system with a merit-basis to it all.
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>>5286491
Which we already have. It would just be one without demarcated species-exclusive spacial territories.
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Exactly. Let people serve the Hegemony based on their measured value as opposed to their assumes value.
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>Not having a Baal- Marine
>Implying people wouldn't shit their pants at the thought of a Soldier a trillion times their size
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>>5286453
What gas here?

Didn't the Haazar basically use up their own supplies of Argon? Isn't that why they were so desperate for the gas from elsewhere, desperate enough that they purchased/took from the Baalathi homeworld enough of a quantity to change the atmospheric composition and send them into this galactic murder-rage? If they were desperate enough to basically drain the Argon from a gas giant in a far-off star system it suggests their own supply of the gas had been long exhausted.
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>>5286587
The Hazaar knew how to synthesize rare rocket fuel from Argon. The miners would go to races that were less advanced, buy large tons of Argon for dirt cheap then turn it into fuel and sell it off for profit.
They tried the same trick on Jaxt but the Baal wiped them out before they could collect the Argon.

This doesn't necessarily mean every planet in Hazaar space has no Argon.

>They still do not appear to have made any significant scientific progress, despite this system having been colonized and the Baalathi here ingesting a different gas composition; you think this would change their behavior...

This is the clue.
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>>5286704
That's a clue that they DON'T have any Argon, though.

Abundant Argon - Genius Baalathi happy on their super-smart scientist world, cooperative but not constructive.

Average Argon - Standard intelligence Baalathi, no real drive and willing to follow build orders.

Absent Argon - Dumb Angry Baalathi, no science advances but plenty of construction going as they focus on producing cylinders and war-machines to known designs without innovation.
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>>5286333
>Deny him (gently)
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>>5286704
Its... a trap? Looks the same... but isn't. Is... dangerous?
>Allow this... after sending smaller ships on scouting and analysis missions to gather further data for both military and scientfic purposes.
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Also... is anyone else getting kickass Ender's Game vibes?
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>>5286453
Good call.
Let's
>allow it
but only if we fail to establish communications first.
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>>5286791
>>5286756

Supporting these. Changing my vote from >>5286376

>>5286333
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>>5286333
Supporting>>5286791
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>>5286791
okay +1
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>>5286752
Speaking of I really wish we got to see more of the Baal in Hegemony space.

We have seen more of every other species in the Hegemony but them. Max-Mind I wish won the overseer vote because they are so INTERESTING
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>>5286968
I'd like to see what they're up to, but I think it'd be worth seeing some results on ANYTHING from Max-Mind. Even aside from their Alien nature, they haven't exactly provided any reason to promote them.
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>>5287191
Baalathi factory world sidequest next thread anybody?
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>>5287191
>>5287194
Last thread people complained about lack of consistent narrator because of all the jumping around, so this one will probably only focus on the crusade which will go on for who knows how long.
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>>5287207
I don't recall anyone complaining about that. Maybe I blocked it out as a silly complaint to direct at a "side-quest".
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>>5286333
>>Allow this
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You want to give Bluey a chance to lead the charge- if only as a reward for his many years long service the Hegemony. You imagine he's probably dreamed of this day for a long time- taking back what he considers his “homeland” as a Hazaar, but Jaxtian in mind and spirit- a newly forged Hegemony controlled Hazaari race...

But you have to be sure first. You order your technicians to read in on what the Baalathi gas giant's gas compositions. While it is impossible to tell what any individual Baalathi might be saying in the cluster of billions upon billions- it is possible to see what kind of gas exchanges are happening. Perfect translations are not possible, but...

FEEL CRAMPED – MUST SPREAD FAR AWAY
<I AM RELEASING NEON>
<I AM ABSORBING ARGON>
WHERE IS THE ARGON?
THERE IS NO ARGON
<I AM RELEASING NEON>
BUILD “CLOUDS” TO SPREAD TO THE VOID
<I AM ABSORBING KYRPTON>
<I AM RELEASING HELIUM>
NOT ENOUGH MATERIALS ARE FOUND – THEY ARE ALREADY EXPENDED
<I AM RELEASING NITROGEN>
THERE IS TOO MUCH NITROGEN HERE, WE ARE OVERCROWDED
FEEL CRAMPED – MUST SPREAD FAR AWAY
<I AM RELEASING NEON>
<I AM ABSORBING ARGON>
WHERE IS THE ARGON?
THERE IS NO ARGON
<I AM RELEASING NEON> ...


It becomes apparent the Baalathi here are the same as the expansionist gas bags from their homeworld; but coming to the Hazaar gas giants already stripped and mined of their precious Argon gas hasn't satiated them. They seem to be caught in a loop- wanting to create new colony ships but being unable to, probably having already built and sent several colonization capsules to far away systems- possibly the Consortium territory or even the Seekers- or perhaps a long range vessel to the outer rim...

”Bluey... you know what to do.”

He relishes the opportunity.

“To all fleet captains and commanders- under the authority of the Supreme Ruler, prepare your weapon systems! Power on all shields! Engines to throttle! Strike teams ready! Bomber's armed! Weapons armed! All systems go! ATTACK!”
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The powerful shields and ships of your fleet easily stop the meager counter attack the Baalthi can push upon you. Last time you fought them, with Kimnan II at the helm of a single frigate, they were of no threat. This is purely for your own enjoyment- like a kid smashing a city of defenseless blocks.

“Yes! Go!”

You don't mind if he makes a mess.

There is no real challenge as you blow apart the Magnetic-Ring Superstructure that acts as the Baalathi's primary energy and construction nexus- even the dreaded magnetic feedback wave that crippled Kimnan II's ship and made him first desperate enough to learn the powers of Starsight has no meaning anymore, as your ships circuits have since been shielded from such a catastrophe. The Baalathi cannot stop you, you have already won.

It appears that the Baalathi here have used up most, if not all, of the useful resources and materials they use for construction and space colonization with little ability to grab more; leading to an endless loop of hunger and desire for conquest. If you could, a quick genocide of the Baalathi on this world would be a mercy to them. This is just the first of many Hazaar systems to be liberated; you are almost disappointed! They didn't learn any new tricks!

But at the same time, you have scout ships sent to the four corners of this solar system to inspect the damage and state of affairs- after all, this was once prime real estate for the Hazaar. All over the systems, tiny asteroids and bits of space junk seem to hint at the infrastructure of a bustling space civilization; though the Hazaar never unlocked FTL before being wiped out by their own greed.

One scout ship penetrates the dark atmosphere of an ashy, dead planet to get better scanner readings...
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“Your Majesty! Discovered intelligent alien life! I repeat, first contact made!”

Amazingly, the Hazaar seem to have survived, at least in small pockets. On this planet, only underground bunkers remained standing- though it was doubtful this place ever had a full ecosystem like your Jaxtian planets; even the Hazaar need spacesuits and pressurized bunkers to live here.

Of course, these Hazaar are or are the descendants of only rich and powerful Hazaar who managed to buy a spot in an underground survival bunker- the rest on the surface or in vulnerable space habitats were utterly destroyed. Given their strong ability with biotechnology, recyclers and closed loop ecosystems support the colony, with energy absorbed from the sun filtered through the thick atmosphere or slow-burn radiation batteries being their only source of energy. It appears the Hazaar here have adopted a very strict culture- still filtered through their Hazaar individualism, but this time mostly to avoid punishment from higher power in the colony. Interestingly, they do not even seem surprised to see intelligent life visiting this planet again. It has been a few hundred years since the Baalathi takeover of this system and subsequent purging of the Hazaar space stations, infrastructure, and on-surface colonies. Some of the beings in the colony may have even been alive before the attack, and the Keeper-Type Hazaar have kept the knowledge of things from before the fall alive and in the community- the same type of Hazaar that Bluey is. Most of their ability to communicate with each other has been cut off- since computers are either hacked and destroyed by the data prion, which the Hazaar have no defense against, or they are reliant on radio transmissions and other slow methods of communication; meaning each colony is more or less cut off from all the others. There is no way to spread the news to make way for the Hegemony liberation fleet.

But now is the time to fully decide on what you intend to do with the liberated Hazaar. The Hazaar on these planets, moons, and other orbital bodies in Hazaar space are fully Hazaar, they have not been indoctrinated in any way- and they are not even genetically prone to the same things that blue, green, and yellow Hazaar hybrids are- such as building “families” or belonging to a “nation”.

What are you going to do with the liberated Hazaar?

>Begin the installation of Hegemony control and infrastructure, adopting these colonies as Hegemonic colonies
>Enslave them and adopt all Red Hazaar as second class citizens in the New Hazaar hierarchy
>Kill them and cleanse the entire system for your Hazaar colonists to have a clean slate
>Other (Write In)
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>>5287386
>Kill them and cleanse the entire system for your Hazaar colonists to have a clean slate

Do what Talacent could not. The red Hazaar are the least useful to us and the biggest potential liability.
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>>5287386
>Kill them and cleanse the entire system for your Hazaar colonists to have a clean slate
Inshallah, we shall destroy the space vermin
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>>5287386
>>Begin the installation of Hegemony control and infrastructure, adopting these colonies as Hegemonic colonies

We out-tech them by a lot and have "evolved" members of their own species with us as associates and trusted underlings to show them the benefits of cooperation. Surely we can integrate these remnants peacefully to the benefit of both Monke and Hazaar.
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>>5287405
>Surely we can integrate these remnants peacefully to the benefit of both Monke and Hazaar.
Why, so we can have another pirate outbreak the moment we suffer any kind of crisis? Red Hazaar are selfish.

Burn it down.
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>>5287386
>Let Bluey decide what to do with his erstwhile kin
If he's going to be overseer, it's only fair. These hazaar should've learned from their mistakes.
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>Let Bluey decide what to do with his erstwhile kin
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>>5287407
Take that shit and turn it to our advantage. Our enemies should enjoy dealing with flotillas of Hazaar privateer squadrons while our main fleet goea about its bloody business.
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>>5287386
>Kill them and cleanse the entire system for your Hazaar colonists to have a clean slate.

A good start.
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>>5287426
I agree, this is an opportunity to have our own pet deniable aggressor group. And besides, if we can indoctrinate them via sexual conquest (aka let the blue haazars lance the reds) we'll gain more workers, thinkers, and generally fresh new Hegemonic citizens.

>>5287386
>Begin the hegemonic colonization of the Haazar

Also, wanna bet that the Baalathi homeworld is similarly starved of argon?
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I initially like the idea of extermination, but I've thought of some problems with it. First, exterminating them is that we brought the Hazaar with us here, didn't we? They would know we exterminated Hazaar, and be more likely to form some kind of revolt or insurrection. Also, these Hazaar have a "more strict" society, so incorporating these might help temper our existing Hazaar, especially if these new Hazaar view us as liberators.

If we decide on not exterminating them, whether they are second class or not becomes a question. On the one hand, if we make them second class citizens by enslavement, it invalidates my second point about them tempering our existing Hazaar, since they would definitely not see this as liberation and might even renounce or otherwise reconcile their strict ways to fight their common enemy - the Hegemony. On the other hand, these *are* red Hazaar, with all their problematic tendencies, and I'm not sure if I like the idea of just adopting a whole bunch more of them.

As much as I like Bluey, I don't trust him to make the wisest choice here for us, that's not his role, so I disagree with letting him decide what to do.
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>>5287480
>First, exterminating them is that we brought the Hazaar with us here, didn't we?
Should be
First, a problem with exterminating them is that we brought the Hazaar with us here, didn't we?
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>>5287480
Do we *really* need even more red hazaar? Red hazaar are completely selfish. What's stopping them from shanking Bluey and selling us out to the Consortium the picosecond we turn our backs?
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>>5287490
No, we don't, but my thought was that maybe these ones' strictness might temper our existing red Hazaar some.
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>>5287386
>Kill them and cleanse the entire system for your Hazaar colonists to have a clean slate
They are a liability that will hardly acclimate to our society, more xenos will do us no good and we already did a lot for Bluey, it's time to act like the Supreme Leader.
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>>5287386
>Enslave them and adopt all Red Hazaar as second class citizens in the New Hazaar hierarchy
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>>5287398
>>5287437
>>5287498

Destroying the Red Hazaar is a waste of resources in murdering them all and the lost potential labour pool. We simply need to create a system much like the one that exists within the Hegemony and abuse the individualistic nature of the Reds to put them in competition with each other. We can have our loyal caste of multi-colour Hazaar while forcing the Reds to compete with each other to join the better caste of Red Hazaar.
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>>5287530
What good is potential labor if it's sure to betray you? Red Hazaar are already dangerously disloyal, imagine how it'll be without Bluey
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>>5287386
>Kill them and cleanse them all
>Grant exceptions only to those who join the blue/green/yelloe breeding program
It's narratively the most interesting choice, I think, and very in-character for our current Supreme and for Bluey. I want to see how this plays out.
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>>5287386
>Kill them and cleanse the entire system for your Hazaar colonists to have a clean slate
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>>5287386
>Let Bluey decide/Begin colonization
Can we not kill off the civilizational offshoot of an interesting society? Like fuck, think of the scientific potential of investigating how such an anti-social race they created an intergalactic civilization, not to mention other juicy tech they invented that we could gobble up. Like, the R&D potential is off the scale here lads.
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>>5287618
>interesting society
debateble
>scientific potential
We still have their computers and the other hazaars, the only thing these guys have is a better self-sustenability system.
>how such an anti-social race they created an intergalactic civilization
Intergalactic implies more galaxies, for all we know they didn't even leave their local neighbourhood.
>the R&D potential is off the scale here lads.
You overestimate them like the xenophile you are.

>>Verdict
pic rel.
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>>5287655
These surviving Haazar developed a strict hierarchy all on their own. At least it’ll lead us to a way to tame and socialize our Red Haazar in a more effective manner, with incentives.
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>>5287375
>Baalathi speak in green text tweets
They are my new favorite race I am now and for ed more Baalanon
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>>5287386
>Other
Set up a parallel to Hegemony society but for Hazaar.

Bluey will be the Supreme stand in and then make Hazaar mirrors of Jaxtian systems . Set the Hazaar breeding scores based on their utility, this will naturally weed out the castes less useful to the Hegemony.

The Hazaar culture has already been pre disposed towards authority. They will for sure listen to us, especially since even class ten conditions will seem like paradise to them.
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>>5287386
>Let Bluey decide

If he has no direct preference...

>Begin the installation of Hegemony control and infrastructure, adopting these colonies as Hegemonic colonies

There's only a few of them left. We bring in 1% of the upper percentile of the 2% of Jaxtians who wouldn't otherwise get Hegemonically granted breeding rights to use as base stock for a new Blue Haazar population, and we'll have them vastly outnumbered. But by sparing them, we might get ample opportunity to plunder whatever remains of their technology for the greater good of the Hegemony.
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>>5287386
>Let Bluey decide what to do with his erstwhile kin
>If no preference, begin the installation of Hegemony control and infrastructure, adopting these colonies as Hegemonic colonies
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I want you guys to know given Bluey's history voting for him to do what he wants is probably a vote for exterminating them.
>>5287845
>>5287768
>>5287618
>>5287418
>>5287412

We know it's Argon starved. Hazaar miners bought all their Argon and it caused them to grow wild. It's what led to this mess in the first place.
>>5287443
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>>5287936
Honestly? I just jumped on the Bluey decide train because I thought that had the best chance of beating out the extermination vote. Killing off Haazar would be .001% of the population, I just want to subsume their technology and culture.
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>>5287987
Bluey makes Uncle Ruckus look like Malcom X . If he doesn't wipe them out totally he strikes me as the type to basically use as livestock.
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>>5288021
We should ask Bluey if he wants a child. If any hazaar deserves offspring, its him.
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>>5288025
No, thanks, i don't want a sequel to that thing on the previous thread
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>>5288025
Can we mandate his reproduction has to be consensual and not cooerced? Like nothing like "Let me poke you or it's straight to the mines"
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bluey would commit infinite war crimes to make the supreme like him because of his daddy issues/hazaar guilt
he doesn’t give a single fuck about the hazaar
I kind of wished that had a personality beyond “supreme pleaser” but he doesn’t
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>>5288065
Eh, he also has a passion for subjugating xenos, and a flair for playing soldier.
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Looks like we have a pretty fair split of votes; with a small majority for the genocide option.

I want to give this one a little more time because it's important, but I like how close it is.
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Crank up the propaganda machine. Send out the interactive movies. Take that top-shelf wine.

Even the most self-serving prick learns when to bend the knee when you are promising the literal stars.

>Begin the installation of Hegemony control and infrastructure, adopting these colonies as Hegemonic colonies


Um, also, if it is not too much trouble, BananasQM, could we have an in-universe calendar at a later point in the quest? Or, if that is more work than it's worth, a timeline of events?

As the centuries progress through the game, it is becoming not only good for worldbuilding, but also almost necessary.
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>>5287386
>Begin the installation of Hegemony control and infrastructure, adopting these colonies as Hegemonic colonies
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>>5288239
While running the very first thread of the game I thought to myself "You know, I really should make a timeline/list of events for the future. I will regret not doing so later." I did not do so, and now I regret it.
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>hegemony integration
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>>5287727
>>5288268
To clarify my other vote. This is how I would like hegemony integration to go. Can also use elements of

>>5287530

But have the pyramid be based on assessed merit rather than race.
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>>5287936
Then that's his choice to make. I don't mind if that's what he wants to do, but he is best placed to know if these Haazar can be Hegemonically integrated or if they'd be better just ended.
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>Kill'em all
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>>5288303
> but he is best placed to know if these Haazar can be Hegemonically integrated or if they'd be better just ended.
No he isn't. He has zero experience with Haazar outside being Talacent and the others let's house bug.

He has a massive sense of Bazaar self hatred that frankly compromises his judgement.
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>>5288415
>zero experience
He spent decades living among Red Hazaar in our penal colony, fecades as Overseer of Xeno Integration, and he oversaw the creation if two new Hazaar hybrid subspecies.
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>>5288466
> two new Hazaar hybrid subspecies.
who were made entirely for the sake of pleasing the supreme without even talking about them first
but what am I saying it’s clear that the majority of the thread wants to genocide an entire people who have been living in misery for centuries because “lmao fuck xenos”
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>>5287386
>Kill them
Fuck cryptobros
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>>5288472
Fine by me. I don't play Fascist Monkey Empire to be benevolent all the time, and it's not out-of-character for the current leadership. Blue Hazaar will be easier to keep loyal to us. Yellow Hazaar are smarter. Green Hazaar are better workers. Red Hazaar have little to recommend them to a utilitarian dictatorship.
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>>5287768
Changing vote directly to:

>Begin the installation of Hegemony control and infrastructure, adopting these colonies as Hegemonic colonies
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>>5288466
Fair point on him having the work experience running Red Haazar.

I just question his personal temperament. He run the Red Haazar because we ordered him to. I imagine left to his own devices, Ingar or Eoba or Agori tier shenanigans.

Him running the Haazar state is acceptable but him actually making his own decisions I am strongly against.
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Alright it's been 24 hours so incorporating the Reds into the Hegemony is the winner, by one vote. Update will probably be in 10-12 hours. Thank you for your patience.
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>>5288633
This is the beginning of the end.
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Let the sperg-out begin.
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I can already see the red hazaar try to rape-stab people and cum in their veins.
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>>5288662
Inshallah, I will create the ideological foundation for the most xenocidal ideology one could make and spam it in every single thread if the faggotcious mixture that is this playerbase will still slurp's xeno penises like the homosexual trekkies they are.
Mark my words, if there is still a beating hazaar heart in the Hegemony after Yuan's memetic war is over, I will make sure that the first space xeno genocider quotes me.
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>>5288703
Put me in the screenshot.
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>>5288703
Based
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>>5288668
This is kind of scenarios is what we have larger-than-life top-notch sci-fi level technology for. Such as chastity belts, electrified cattle-prods and 110 mm. bullets.
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Because you have decided to accept the Red Hazaar into the Hegemony, you will have a much easier time rebuilding these systems. Of course, natural controls on their population, social ability, and control over critical resources will be in place to prevent further problems down the line.

”Bluey, how do you plan to indoctrinate these Hazaar into the Hegemony if they have no concept of community?”
“I have thought about that, your eminence. The Red Hazaar have no patriotism and only care about themselves; but if we present joining the Hegemony willingly as a “trade” of higher quality of life and freedom from alien aggressors like the Baalathi in exchange for obedience and a tithe, we can profit! Plus, the Red Hazaar still understand punishment; so any who rebel can just be punished in the traditional Jaxtian way. If you wish, I would gladly flay a few troublemakers myself to show the message that even a Hazaar like them won't tolerate any resistance.”
”Perhaps, when that opportunity comes, I'd like to see that...”

The fleet moves on, from system to system, destroying the Baalathi utterly from these worlds. Naturally, the Baalathi still exist in the gas giants, but in a primitive state without their industry or technology to put forth any resistance in the first place. It is impossible to truly clear them out; and without Argon, these Baalathi probably wouldn't be very useful for construction or science- any material you dip in these gas giants will be consumed and made into drones or colony ships unless their gas-consensus is altered in some way.

The next few weeks follow this pattern; to keep ready for battle and because of the short distance of travel between the worlds; you find no need to enter Suspension. In fact, you spend the time enjoying a bit of luxury and relative ease; communicating easily with the homeworld- but with Hwat currently in charge of the Hegemony you use the time for yourself. In truth, you might even be getting a little lazy. The Baalathi pose no threat and the new Hazaar society is mostly being built by Bluey...

Hwat checks in with you and you speak briefly about the state of the Hegemony as you left it. Of course, since you're in the communications room, you can hear Bluey declaring his love for the Reconquista to his men.

”Cijan, there is one more thing. Three books have recently been published by a high ranking State Philosopher- it's stirred a lot of discussion. These are seminal works. You've always been better at this sort of thing- and I know I can't ask you to read them when you put the responsibility on me to handle things at home, but perhaps if you have some downtime...”
“Ahh, I'd be more then happy to give them a look over when I have time. Send me the files.”
”Understood. Thank you, your Grace. Hwat over and out.”

But you do have time- and these dense treaties are like light afternoon reading!
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Doesn't make what you find any less baffling though.

The strange thing is that all three books are written in such a way as though the author's voice is very strong. Each one reads as though a very specific person wrote them; you can pick up on it through the usage of words and just how it is written- but it reads as though each book is written by a different person.

The first book is The Supremacy of the Jaxtian Species, is written in a very strong voice, recalling the victories of the Hegemony as a patriot would. Several topics, such as the planet Jaxt or the tradition of knife dueling, are written with an almost sacred level of importance. There is a strong word association here; every passage with the word “sex” also includes the word “blood” or “rip” within it- the violent and overly sadistic domineering voice of the author comes through here. While that does fit a Hazaar, it seems more like it was written by an Alpha or military-male of the Hegemony.

The second, Phenology of Capital is written in a very analytical sense. It's dry. Bone dry. The entire book deals with statistics and relationship graphs, but it is very good and very well researched. You imagine this is the only one that Hwat probably liked- it seems to appeal to people like him. Government bean counters and the analytical, “on the spectrum” types would probably find this book appealing if interested in the subject matter.

The final, Virtue of Utility & Pragmatism, is the only book that establishes the author as a Hazaar or living on a colony. As a result of your life and Supreme Ruler training, this one appeals to you the most, but you are careful to read between the lines and not be easily swayed by what it suggests- still, you can't deny it. In the loosest sense, it argues that the Hegemony's absorption of alien DNA, cultures, technology, has been its recipe for success and makes several and repeated mentions of the success of the Indigo program. It seems, of the three, this one has become the least popular.
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All three books deal with political topics and how to steer the mechanisms of state, that makes sense. It is the context of the books that matter, and you find strange. All three books are written by the same author- something only the Supreme Ruler would know- as books of political thought are heavily restricted and made anonymous by the publishing system to prevent cults of personality forming around strong figures. But you know that the books are all written by one person- the Blue Hazaar known as Yuan'Tul Scholiander- a long lost descendant(?) of the Supreme Ruler known as Qet the Greater.

But why? Why is it written in such a way?

If you didn't know the author yourself, you would easily assume that all three were written by different people, people who didn't necessarily see eye to eye, just based on background context you can infer from the books themselves and how they are written. It's extremely interesting from an authorship perspective; it is undoubtable Yuan has great intelligence and skill- most SP's only publish one work in their lifetime; and while he has extra 'lifetime' to work with, three books is still quite a feat. But why all at once? Why with such conflicting 'voices'?

In a way, it's almost like an avant garde work of art. Like the real subject here is the reader, or to see how the author can somehow pretend to inhabit different people to write these tomes, like a display of writing prowess or exercise in embodying different personas in writing. But the only people who would ever know who wrote these books would be the Supreme Ruler. So there is no audience. Almost like its a little show just for you.

Frankly, you don't see anything wrong with the books themselves, just the tonal whiplash from moving from one to the next. Each one has valuable information that you can absorb and use for yourself- and several predictions and assertions about the nature of political power are enlightening even for you. It's just the context of how they were written and released that you don't quite understand. After all- due to their release, the current landscape of state philosophy is constantly shifting. Their true effects on the Hegemony cannot yet be known. And besides, your captain is pinging for your attention on the bridge.
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”I am sorry to bother you at this time, your Majesty.”
”No apology needed, Farro. What is it?”
”We received a distress call from a Hazaar ship- one disabled by damage done by Baalathi drones. I know your instructions on absorbing Hazaar survivors, but this one isn't an underground colony. His ship cannot be repaired and he is requesting to be picked up by one of our vessels so he can be dropped off at one of the surviving Hazaar colonies.”
”Interesting, patch me through.”

On the computer screen, you can see the Hazaar, waving to the camera and speaking his request. Apparently, he was a deep-space Hazaar astronaut, lacking FTL speeds, and he was returning from his mission when suddenly struck by Baalathi drones and put into this situation. Logically speaking, he must have left hundreds of years ago- though with the communications network destroyed by the Baalathi, it makes sense he wouldn't know about it before he arrived.

“Thank goodness, a space ship! I've been stranded here for decades! I'm so bored- I am willing to trade some of my deep space data for transport to a safe colony.”

The damaged ship has a pretty advanced AI which is communicating with your own Threemind network. The trip and time data is all solid- and it lists out details and schematics of the damaged vessel- no way to repair this without a massive resource and time investment. He'll need transport by one of our own ships. Only the life support and recyclers are still functioning at all.

”What should we do, your Majesty?”

>Accept him on board and take him to the nearest Hegemonic colony
>Leave him there and move on- let the Hazaar figure him out when they get spaceships again
>Other? (Write In)
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>>5289253
>Other? (Write In)
Capture him as a prisoner, extract information, and never let him return to his people to pollute them with talk of the way things were before their fall and the Hegemony's taking charge.
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>>5289253
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>>5289253
>Accept him on board and take him to the nearest Hegemonic colony
>Make sure he isn’t a spy or saboteur first
I don’t mind helping this lad out, we just need to make sure that he isn’t a spy/saboteur before we allow him to become a citizen.
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>>5289253
>Accept him on board but quarantine him and his ship until we can be reassured he, his AI, and his ideology conforms with the Hegemony

Also be on the lookout as you approach, there could be pirates using him as bait.
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>>5289253
>Accept him on board and take him to the nearest Hegemonic colony...after making sure he's not a spy or saboteur. Or to make sure if it's a trap or not.
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>>5289253
>Accept him on board and take him to the nearest Hegemonic colony - on the condition that he takes a personal oath of service and loyalty to the Hegemony.
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>Accept him on board and take him to the nearest Hegemonic colony
But also offer to pay him to be an advisor to the crew on Haazar culture. He is pretty much the only we know who has Intel on pre -Baalathi Haazar space. That is Intel too valuable to waste.
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>>5289248
Question, if none of these Baalathi even have the capability to build ships why are we bombing them? Isn't that basically shooting cavemen?
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>>5289361
Destroying cavemen and taking their territory for better Hegemonic citizens is all in a day's work for the Reconquistadores.
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>>5289361
We're bombing them to destroy their industry and their capacity to build ships. That paragraph describes the status of the Baalathi remaining in the Gas Giants AFTER the Jaxtian fleet has been through their star systems and destroyed their defences and wider industrial capabilities across their captured worlds.
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>Accept the offer but make sure whoever greets him onboard is wearing protective gear against pricking
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You know... you kind of don't trust this guy.

"What's wrong, your Majesty?"
"...How did he avoid getting destroyed by the Baalathi entirely? They've occupied the system for a very long time- and it just so happens he comes by and get disabled right before we get here? Something about it is suspicious. I just have a feeling."
"Shall we take him aboard for questioning, my Lord? My torturers will get right on him and quick."

After Jale speaks, Bluey looks a bit nervous.

"Err... of course, the Supreme Ruler and Hegemony have no need for probable cause, especially from a Hazaar. But if I may-"
"What is it, Bluey?"
"If this man could afford his own spaceship back during the height of the Hazaar civilization, he might be very rich. While not necessarily valuable to us; he may still have business connections or at least a good reputation. Best not to spoil that if we are supposed to be setting up the Red Hazaar to become part of the Hegemony. This may very well be the Hazaar Eoba II, if you understand."
"Hmm..."
"Unless... is there a specific reason you're suspicious? I would never question my lordship's judgement."

Cijan Anak is supposed to be one smart cookie. But you're drawing a bit of a blank. That doesn't change your mind- you are still suspicious of this individual Hazaar pilot here. Something about this situation doesn't add up. But what in particular is the reason? If you can figure out the exact thing about this situation that doesn't make sense besides what has already been said- you will come out with a large advantage on whatever plot or situation this man may be leading you into.

What is the reason?
>Write In
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Hmm...someone should go look at the old hazaar stuff from way back when. It might be something we missed...
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>>5289485
How does he have such an advanced AI? I thought the Hazaar didn't have that level of technology at the time of their fall? It would certainly explain why he didn't fall prey to data prions.
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>>5289485
He's one of the aristocracy/consortium g
Or whatever they're called in disguise. In the spin off thread they disguised themselves as monkes remember? Same shit here guys.

Makes sense because this is their corner of space. If they can get their guys on jaxt they can do it here
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>>5289485
Also does his ship look like a known Hazaar design, if you compare it to the design of the colony ship we encountered it has a different aesthetic.
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>>5289512
The consortium aliens had proficiency woth advanced ai and used it to create their personas and hide on jaxt. We're looking at another spy right now.

Also the consortium aliens are a light purple. Just like the outline of the ship.
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>>5289512
We know he's sus, but we need a *reason* why. The event with the infiltrators hasn't happened yet, chronologically - that comes way later, when Kima finds out about them
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I looked into the old threads, and this whole thing is completely suspicious. First of all: Why is he wearing a suit? Hazaar dont wear suits - they're NUDISTS. Why would he have wore a suit all this time? He had no way of knowing we don't like their customs.

SECOND, This is by no meanings an hazaar ship - their ships are more geometrical, and they use PURPLE GAS - That's not purple gas, that's YELLOW.

THIRDLY, How the hell does this guy have an artificial intelligence so advanced? When we met the hazaar - who said their colony ship was THE MOST ADVANCED, they were literally rudimentary compared to our computing - and that was CENTURIES ago. How the hell would this guy - even if he was rich - have owned something centuries beyond the literal last hope of their race?
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>>5289485
>This guy is a consortium agent

>>5289522
Fouthly, that AI may superficially look like a Haazar, but in reality it's made up of a pair of consortium 'i' symbols.

Fifthly... where is everyone else in the crew? And he says the recycler is operating, but makes no mention of what he's been eating all this time.
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>>5289531
Again, anon, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS. The Consortium infiltration doesn't happen until later in the timeline. We don't know they're trying to sneak into our government - CIJAN Has no reason to think of this.

Bananas asked for *the reason as to why cijan is suspicious*. The reason, of course, is that his story doesn't fit at all.
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>>5289485
>His story doesn't make sense. Wearing clothes, unusually advanced AI for a pre-wipe Hazaar, unusual ship design. None of it lines up
I'm ignoring meta knowledge since Cijan isn't a psychic who can see into the future .
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>>5289531
>that pic
Based Schizo
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>>5289366
>The fleet moves on, from system to system, destroying the Baalathi utterly from these worlds. Naturally, the Baalathi still exist in the gas giants, but in a primitive state without their industry or technology to put forth any resistance in the first place.

This says we are bombing them BEFORE they build industry. Which seems kinda wasteful isn't it?
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>>5289485
Holy hell you had to full on Skylock Fox is and TELL us their is a clue we are missing?

I feel mildly insulted but I won't look a gift horse in the mouth


>>5289522
This
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>>5289540
The AI and Clothes would be enough tip off even if he does know about the Consortium skinwalkers
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This is like if Buzz Aldrin sent us some bitcoin. The AI is the clue. (The clothes are also a strong hint but he could have a BS reason. For wearing them but the AI makes zero sense)
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>>5289536
Well, if we're just looking for a single suspicious thing out of the many here...

>>5289485
>The AI is too advanced

Realistically, this is the single specific detail that could effect things in this encounter the most - we want to notice and realise this before this AI can hack our ship(s) and disable our defences.
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>>5289485
>His story doesn't make sense. Wearing clothes, unusually advanced AI for a pre-wipe Hazaar, unusual ship design. None of it lines up

+1 to this.
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>>5289485
>His story doesn't make sense. Wearing clothes, unusually advanced AI for a pre-wipe Hazaar, unusual ship design. None of it lines up
>Besides all that, though... YOU should be the Hazaar Eoba II, Bluey, not some rich individualist
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>>5289485
>>5289612
+1
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>>5288703
why wait?
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>>5289522
>>5289531
Oh shit he's a fucking spy
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>>5289485
>This guy is a consortium agent
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It wouldn't be too beyond the realm of believably... if his AI wasn't so strong. That's a dead giveaway. The Hazaar AI even at their peak of technology was significantly weaker then Alavis 2.0, a current AI roughly compatible with your Threemind just isn't even within the realm of possibility.

”Bring his ship into the Bite. Tell him we're rescuing him, but wait until his AI is in range to fully hack it and take custody of the Hazaar. Something is clearly wrong here; we'll get to the bottom of it. Jale, prepare your security force in case of anything unusual...”

As the Hazaar is brought aboard, seemingly happy you are taking his request, he is suddenly accosted and his AI computer plugged into the mainframe and hacked before it can try any funny business- like self destructing! While it was able to destroy and corrupt a few of its files, the vast majority of the ship and the pilot are both within your custody within the hour.

“Grrr... How dare you do this to me! This goes against the Hazaar way! You are violating the NAP- even after I offered to pay you. I should give you a good poke.”
”You won't be so confident after a few days in the brig. Take him away!”

The captured ship and its AI are quite interesting. The ship is based on an old Hazaar ship design, but actually has a hyperdrive hidden among its regular propulsion systems. Two questions remain; how would a Hazaar gain a ship with this capability and how would he know to come and find you here on your crusade? Both questions don't yet have answers.

But in the meantime; you have finished the Reconquistia. The last Hazaar world, the Hazaar homeworld, has finally been taken back from the Baalathi. It appears that it still harbors life, with the Baalathi drones and ships in constant orbit to take down any threats or build up of technology. The survivors, a few having reverted to tribalism and scavenging among the ruins and caves of the rich living world, are now brought into the fold of the Hegemony. Now is a great time for celebration! None seem more pleased then Bluey, who is already creating his plans to unite and control the Hazaar under the new Hegemonic system.
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But one extra mystery is found among the ruins of the Hazaar homeworld; a very special machine. As the Hazaar are very skilled with biotechnology, this machine is nowhere out of the question for their abilities; however, most of the machines and their fuel supply of BAG had run out.

The Hazaar call it the Reconstituter, and it is essentially a Regeneration Machine. Any living thing placed within can be fully regenerated down to all of its tissues; including neurological cells and the brain. Needless to say, it's a big discovery. Your fleet happens to have a small amount of BAG for research purposes aboard- and after a safety check with minor modifications, it seems like the machine could actually work on a Jaxtian.

”My Ruler.” Jale salutes.
”What is it, Berax?”
”I'd like to volenteer to test the Reconstituter. I am the most disposable among the trimunverate, and since my skills mostly involve physical strength and combat, I would benefit the most for the expedition to be the one to test the machine to see if it has any ill effects on Jaxtians.”
”And the fact you are the oldest and would like a little of your youth back has nothing to do with it, I wager?”
”...”
”Heh, consider it a reward for your service. But be warned, any ill effects the machine may have on you is on your own head. Don't come crying to me if you come out looking like a Blue Hazaar.”

Jale thanks you and, after a few minutes, steps out of the machine on its final charge. And he steps out looking like he did as a young man.

”Woah! This is like Telomere plus! I feel young again!”

This opens the door for something never before possible in the Hegemony- biological immortality. If you are capable of restoring and healing all of the body's cells- it could mean getting rid of the effects of aging entirely- even the GPCS- the killer condition that ends 98% of your race when they reach a venerable old age. You need to consider this one carefully; and as such take the machine with you for your return trip to Jaxt later.
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”Ohh! Is this a.. Classic Cajamat? What a treasure!”

You are currently relaxing in your inner sanctum; after the success of the Reconquistia, you have spent a little downtime entertaining your fleet captains and other high ranking members aboard this grand crusade. He happens to have noticed a very specific treasure; an old and valuable blonde instrument- the two stringed Cajamat.

”Do you know how to play, Farro?”
”Oh yes, my King. I could play an epic blondish poem... Well no, I shouldn't.”
”Hmm?”
”Ahh- I would hate to damage such a priceless artifact- unless my lordship would like to hear it?”

>Ask him to play
>Tell him to put it back
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>>5290722
>Ask him to play
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>>5290722
>Ask him to play
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>>5290722
>Ask him to play
It is his heritage and culture, after all. If it breaks, it breaks - that is the way of things.
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>>5290722
>Ask him to play

If it breaks, we'll have another made back on Jaxt.
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>>5290722
Hmmmm.
>>Ask him to play
Eh, fuck it, let's see where this goes. Maybe have the song recorded just in case the thing breaks.

>>5290766
I feel like if he's even remotely concerned about damaging or breaking it, we can't make them willy nilly.
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>>5290722
>Ask him to play
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>>5290722
>Ask him to play
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>>5290722
>>Ask him to play
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>>5290770
I feel we've no problems making them, but that this particular example is an antique. The work of an ancient craftsmonkey, perhaps even from before the Hegemonic age.

But I also think that having someone able to play this ancient instrument might be more valuable when meeting the Aristocracy then just 'we have this old thing.'
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Anyone getting TNG vibes here?

>Play it
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>>5290722
>>Ask him to play
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>>5290828
Yeah, in best kinda way.
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>>5290741
that is true
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”Well, if my lord demands- I'll give you my best poem. One I remember well from Blondish tradition. Here goes...”

Farro raised up a strong, melodic voice. Humming along with the Cajamat, he strung the strings to add emphasis to the words and silent times of the story.

There was once a great man,
noble, courageous, awarded wealth and land,
this one blessed by gods and tribes brought to heel,
his sons be crushed underneath fate's churning wheel.

He was known as lord, master, warrior, lover, what a lad.
But above all else he loved to be called, Dad!
He had two sons, twins born on the same day-
and both would inherit this man's gift, or as he would say.

“My Sons- nothing to you is impossible,
for my blood's gift, in you, is what is responsible.
To all my victories and fortunes, fate has allowed-
from my labor and strife- the same for you- this I vow!”

And so the two boys grew older still;
one elder, taller, never short of skill,
and the younger, meeker, but kinder indeed.
They found their gifts, straight from their breed.

The younger brother was quiet and devout,
he listened to elders, never laid-about.
The older however, humble was not;
things came easy for him- he reclined on his cot.

With muscles and women, gold and coin,
drink and status, from father's coffer he did purloin.
The elder brother was happy as could be,
but time went on, luck waned, you will see!
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First went his wealth, his father's land,
and then went his friends, a vulturous band.
The elder was shocked- “How could this happen to me?”
“What great evil befell my family's legacy?!”

With father now dead, mother in mourn,
the elder had nothing, only his blood's gift had he borne.
But when that talent seemed to run thin,
the elder brother had to find one to help; bring guidance to him!

He sought an old sage, medium to the Gods-
The volcano priest rolled bones, divine host sway odds.
The brother was shocked when the priest went asleep-
and from the fire a holy visage did creep!

It was a God! Both hands outstretched,
He spoke; “Your fate I see, in your blood it is etched.
This I will tell, for one coin from your purse,
But be warned; each blessing I give is also a curse.”
The Elder brother paid, and so the God spoke;
“Your gift is real, passed when your parents eloped.
But the cup passed once, in one brother it runs.
The talent, the will, the luck; and the other has none.”

The brother fumed as he heard this news;
My younger ward got it?! Am I destined to lose?!
But the God spoke again, calming sensing his rage;
“It can be taken; right where his corpse lays.”
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And so the Elder set off, to find his brother,
He did not stop to say goodbye to his mother.
He felt as though his life a lie, all taken from him-
The man would reclaim from the thief- he would win!

And so the Elder came to a sleepy village,
Rode in to find what was his, not pillage.
He asked around and found the man,
who stole his rightful gift- straight from their dad!

The younger brother stood, both aged and surprised-
“A visit from you, why, do please come inside!
Meet my family, my children, my wife;
It is humble, I know, but this is my life!”

They lived in a hut, a pathetic little shack,
the Elder brother scoffed- hadn't wealth fallen into his lap?
The younger worked hard, picked fruit, gave to many,
and for his effort- a plain wife, frayed clothes, and not a penny.

The elder exploded- “What gives you the right?!
You have our fathers gift- and you build this life?!
Your nothing of a wife, your crude home- what a disgrace!
Why are you smiling? Wipe that look off of your face!”

At his expression, the Elder did froth.
“You hear me? You stole father's gift- and yet you mock!”
The younger brother stood firm, but only look bemused.
“Brother, we end up at the paths we choose!”
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With one mighty blow, the younger was stuck down,
the Elder's rage peaked- chaos all around.
He reached and ran a finger through blood,
smeared it on his brow- the deed was done!

He breathed and felt, this was his day-
he would feel Father's power coming his way!
But the longer he stood over the corpse,
he felt no different- no change, no magic force.

“What has happened?” to himself he thought-
“Did that God lie- what wisdom had I bought?”
And then he realized- it struck him quick;
standing over his brother, who life he had picked.

It was he had was the heir, the gift had been his.
That had always been the case, even when they were kids.
His brother had earned every thing that he had,
where as the Elder just relied on their Dad.

And then a ghostly spirit rose.
No God, but his brother spirit's spirit, with brownish nose.
“I am not angry at you, dear brother-” the spirit said.
“I had labored my life long, and now I am dead!”

“Please oh Spirit-” the elder pleaded,
“Bring your wrath on me, my penance is needed!”
But the younger's ghost only laughed,
“How could I punish you, brother? Are you daft!?”

“It is true, you cut my life short-
But what I earned I earned myself- it was a fair sport.
It was our choices that led to this- that much is true.
But know this, loved Brother, it was always I who was jealous of you.”


*PLINK*

”Oh dear, looks like I broke it. Right at the end there- I played a little too spirited. I am so sorry, my Lord. I know I couldn't possibly hope to replace such a wonderful artifact...”


"That's quite alright, Farro."

"Is my Lordship pleased?"

>Yes
>No
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>>5291611
>Yes
Pretty cool story.
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It's a shame, though, we don't get any more of this stuff because the hegemony is anti-religion and would call such a story primitive drivel if it wasn't so traditional
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>>5291611
>Yes
Another vote where I question why the vote even exists, since I doubt we'll get any serious >No responses
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>>5291611
>>Yes
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>>5291611
>>Yes
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>>5291627
qm is stalling, shorter updates mean less work
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>>5291611
>Yes
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>>5291611
>Yes
Cool story, bro.
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>>5291611
>Yes
it was a delight, things are meant to be used, break eventually as its the nature of things, but it can be fixed as it is with enough effort
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>>5291747
Exactly this +1
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>>5291611
>Yes
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>>5291747
This argument holds water. A thing that breaks in its purpose will be mended, for use again.
>+1

>>5291611
Also, epic Ballard
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>>5291611
>No

Fuc dat gut
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>>5291646
>Shorter
>4 posts, ALL with art
I guess bananas just wanted to write a ballad? These votes don't have any importance, but the song was cool.
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”Yes, I am pleased. Thank you for sharing your culture with me, Captain.”
”The pleasure was all mine, your Majesty.”

It's a strange feeling to see Farro this way; pouring out his soul in an artistic display. He exists in the Hegemony as a typical, successful, powerful man- confident and always marching forward. Yet, he contains this uniqueness that only blondes have; that cultural background that sets them apart. It makes you feel forlorn that the Mainlander Jaxtians just... don't have that same feeling. Of course, both of you are citizens of the Hegemony- both are applied to its values and both were raised in its systems of control, but the blondes are still just ever so slightly different.

You sometimes wonder if you are deprived from a sense of cultural richness because you are not like them; and you wonder why Akule never destroyed them like he did everyone else. Not that you would wish for it- you feel something special from the world would be lost if the blondes were not here with you now.

Over the next few months, the Fleet destroys the last of the Baalathi resistance, puts down what few resistance movements before they begin, and unites and connects the scattered remnant Hazaar underneath your new banner. Technology is divided up- communications arrays, power generators, and basic mining and construction ships. AI cores are dispersed and quickly put in charge of every colony- and the ten thousand strong army of volunteers and colonists- most Blue Hazaar but some Jaxtian as well, are woken up and put into positions of leadership and administration over the Hazaar. It will take a long time for the Hazaar society to emerge back from this- but with the surviving millions put back on the right path underneath the Hegemony's grip, there is no doubt that they will one day become useful and productive subjects of his Supremacy.

You feel as though your work here is done when, finally, there are lights visible on the surface of old Hazaaria once again- civilization back in its craddle. And with Bluey as the Overseer of the new Hazaar Vassal State, you know he will build it into something useful. You can already hear him getting into his newfound leadership role.
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“You! Hazaar! Why did you not report to your scheduled duty in the greenhouse?”
”I already got all my food rations I need for the next month, why would I go back?”
“Because of you, the plants were undertended and will have a loss of 8% crop efficacy. What about your fellow Hazaar? What of the colonial population? You failed in your duty.”
”If they REALLY need the food so bad, they could always trade it from me. In fact, I've been eating less to try and sell my extra if the price goes up because of shortages...”
Disgusting. That's all I needed to hear. Enforcer! Have this man's breeding spike removed. We will have no more like him for the next generation.”

”W-what?! Wait! You can't just do that! Hold on, you're supposed to be with us! Why are you serving the apes?! Help!!!”

With that, the Support Fleet of Frigates will stay with the new Hazaar lands of the Hegemony. Now, you have but three ships- the Bite of Batool and the other two crusiers to keep you for the remainder of your journey to the Galactic Society of Aristocrats! On top of that, countless colony and supply ships from the Hegemony will begin to get this state on its feet.

It is about this time that you get a message from your Supreme-At-Home, Hwat Dulioan. He informs you of the spies found on Jaxt, apparently, Consortium agents in alien skin suits, capable of faking DNA.

”Thanks Hwat, because now, you just cleared up a BIG mystery for us here...”
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No wonder his blood and DNA samples showed Hazaar- he was wearing a skin suit the whole time. Putting him under a full medical scanner exposed the truth; and you have had since the little spy fully revealed. And it's no surprise that Jale's interrogation was mostly ineffective- the suit can apparently relay the sensation of touch back to the wearer, but can be turned off or the pain signals ignored. Now, that will no longer be a problem.

”...I'm sure you realize what awaits you now that your little game is up.”
“Mhmm.”
”So, you work for the Consortium?”
“I am Leraay, yes, one of the Consortium species. It may not be easy for statists like you to understand, but the Consortium is not a political body. It is a collection of the business interests of the Consortium worlds. It has nothing to do with political espionage.”
”But you represent them by working on their behalf. You represent a foreign government infiltrating the sovereign Hegemony. This makes you a combatant.”
“The Consortium is a economic network at best. Under its wings are the most benevolent utopias and dictatorships almost as brutish as yours. The Consortium species understood this; which is why the worms were put in charge of the markets. In the end, everything comes down to economics; wars, racial supremacy, technology- I'd expect your elite Supreme education to teach you this, monkey.”
”...Let me explain something to you, boy. You are already a dead man. Worse yet, you will be tortured before you die. This will happen not matter what you do or say to me. I could make it worse, or I could make it quicker- we have the technology to extend your lifespan at least to its natural limit, if not longer. Nobody is coming to rescue you. I am the last friend you will ever have. I suggest you start behaving instead of insulting the last person who can shorten what left of your suffering.”
“Oof. Can't you Jaxtians kill people the normal way- with a bullet to the brain or throwing them out an air-lock or something?”
”We do that to our own people. But only the loyalists. Most of the loyalists.”
“Oh Mianmi. Just ask, and I will tell all you wish to know.”

You get the feeling you can get three useful answers out of him; but as a spy he probably doesn't know every single thing about the Consortium, or the worms who control them, and their plans. Best to ask things most useful to your journey here and to the occupation...

>Who are you?
>What was your mission?
>When will the Consortium try to take the Hazaar systems from us?
>Where is your home planet?
>Why did you say Mianmi?
>Other (Write In)
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>>5291611
>Yes

I expect you to replace that artifact, be it trophy or deed. Let us see what you can earn.
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>>5291901
>What was your mission?
>Are there other spies you know of along our route or involved with the Reconquista?
>When will the Consortium step up its actions against us from a covert phase to an overt one?
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>>5291901
Bluey is EXTREMELY BASED, as always
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>>5291901
>Who are you?
>Where is your home planet?
>Why did you say Mianmi?
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>>5291903
+1
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>>5291901
>What was your mission?
>Are there other spies you know of along our route or involved with the Reconquista?
>When will the Consortium step up its actions against us from a covert phase to an overt one?
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>>5291901
>What was your mission?
>When will the Consortium try to take the Hazaar systems from us?
>When will the Consortium step up its actions against us from a covert phase to an overt one?
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>>5291899
Wait, what about the Baalathi homeworld?
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>>5291905
>Castration for missing work
Jesus Christ
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>>5291969
And speculative sabotage, and food hoarding, and defiance.
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>>5291899
>Bailiff, smack his nuts!
Kek

>>5291901
>What was your mission?
>What is the Consortium's agenda in Hazaar, and by extension, Hegemony territories?
>Has there been Leerays that did not go into the espionage field?
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>>5291977
Seems a lot a stretch to call that speculative sabatouge
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>>5291988
>quit work before it's complete, leading to an crop failure and food shortage soley so he can sell it at a higher price
He deserved it
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>>5291901
>When will the Consortium try to take the Hazaar systems from us?
>Where is your home planet?
>What are the Cyte?
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>What is the Consortium's weakness?
>What is the Cyte
>Where is their most valuable target?
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>>5291901
>What was your mission?
>When will the Consortium try to take the Hazaar systems from us?
>Why did your people join the consortium and submit to the manipulations of the Aannel?
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Ok we are all posting stuff but what are the arguments behind your picks

I think

>What are the Cyte
Is a must have. We can kinda assume the outline of the Consortium's plan but the Cyte are a total mystery. We need intel here.

>Where is the Consortium's most valuable target
A lot of people asked for a homeworld but remember, it's not a government, it's a trade union. Hitting a "homeworld" could be useless if their economy power isn't disrupted. A bank, a factory, a stock exchange, a mine... All these are possible better targets for our focus. So instead of assuming the home world is where we should focus, cut out the middle man and just be told what to hit.

>What is the Consortium's weakness
This may overlap a bit with the line above but I think this will also be the easiest solution.
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>>5292343
What makes you think this guy would know him?

IT LITERALLY SAID HE WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE WORM'S PLANS. What the hell makes you think he'd know about the Cyte? Or 'the consortium's weakness'

Those are stupid questions
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>>5292360
I'll give you the Cyte
But a Consortium agent for sure would be able to give their professional assessment of it's weaknesses. This is an alien spook. They'll have valuable intel on vulnerabilities. That's like expecting a CIA agent to not know where the Pentagon or White House is.

It's the same idea behind asking the Homeworld but opening it up to possible targets beyond habitation.
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>>5292534
Except he wouldn't, because the Consortium is a very loose confederation. He won't know about the Worm's weaknesses.
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>>5291903
+1
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>>5292574
Not the worm's weaknesses the consortium. Maybe their economy is backed by a precious resource we can compromise. Or their crypto server farms are on some moon somewhere. Or they have a super weapon factory space station.

There could be a tons of things that we would want to hit besides a "homeworld." Hell they may not even have one
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>>5292595
Also it being a lose confederation is another example of the Homeworld not necessarily being the most valuable target.
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>>5292595
Yes, which is why i don't think he'll know said target - after all, the worms are the ones that run the economy.
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Can't update before work today, unfortunately. Will be another 12 hours or so. Thank you for your patience.

OOC Question time- Can you think of a way to improve these "ask esoteric NPC X number of questions" sections?
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>>5292696
>makeup over fur
That seems like it'd get gross in a hurry

>spoiler
Nah, not really, this seems sensible.
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>>5292696
>how to improve question votes

Give categories rather than specific questions as options, with write-ins allowed for specifics. Take the top one if you want, or top two or three, or just use em for inspiration. Always worked for me.
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>>5292696
Make the questions interesting. I want to see some questions about whether Yuan is actually space hitler. I want to see questions about whether anons would have gore sex with the Hazaar if they looked like Pamela Anderson. I want to get to the real meal of this quest, I want the good philosophical shit.
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>>5292760
...Fae Smelter?
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>>5292771
What?
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>>5292844
Nevermind. The writing style of >>5292760 reminded me of a QM.
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>>5292696
I'd certainly like it if it was a bit easier to have an clearer idea of the questions
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”You're a feline right? I was wondering exactly what would be a good punishment for a cat. And then I thought of it- sleep deprivation. Your kind probably sleep for what, twelve, fourteen hours a day? What if I assigned a computer to keep you awake for... Oh but, look at me ramble. Tell me this; What was your mission, exactly?”
“I was instructed to infiltrate your ship as a Hazaar and later, a Hazaar colony. My transponder had a direct connection to headquarters, and was recording everything; your enforcers destroyed it when they peeled off my suit.”

”I see. Tell me about the other spies. Your administration had spies all along our proposed route? I imagine you learned of the reconquistia from the spies on Jaxt.”
“I had no idea there were spies on Jaxt.”
”Why are you lying to me?”
“I am not lying. Why would they tell me the assignments of any other agents?!”
”We could keep you alive you know. Saline and nutrient port put into your body; put a screen in front of you that flashes bright enough to pierce your eyelids. Hook the computer to find the worst sounds it can make for you- probably a screeching kitten or an very low frequency rumble; you wouldn't be able to hear it, but you'd feel it. Possibly an ancient predator. And all of us would be asleep- drifting in suspended animation. It would just be you, in here, alone with a computer. Few months at least; not allowed to sleep at all that whole time, constantly shocked awake with random intervals of bright lights and noise- no social interaction, not stimulation, no movement. You'd crack quick.”
“...But you wouldn't have an interrogator. You would gain nothing from that.”
”I would gain the satisfaction of making you suffer.”

You think your proposed torturous method of execution is working. He whimpers- Oh Mianmi... Unfortunately, it looked like a spy wouldn't necessarily know what the rest of his covert operation would be doing. You're only going to get one more good question out of him.

”One more question for you- think carefully and ensure that what you say is accurate. Remember, you should try to make me like you.”
“Yes.”
”When will the Consortium step up its actions from covert to overt?”
“I-I don't... I don't know.”
”Are you... Sure? If you're done here, we can set up your alarm system and I can get ready to hop in a suspension pod...”
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“W-wait! Let me think. Okay, okay, the Consortium cares only about money and building up their trade empire. Consortium Credits are already a defacto currency for this quadrant of the galactic community. They'd probably only want to attack someone directly if they were a threat to that; the Consortium already borders your empire- some brown dwarfs and distant stellar objects to Hazaar space already have colonies or listening posts. To be honest, I don't know if the Consortium would ever declare war against an equal power; they much prefer to use economic pressures to get what they want.”
”Give some examples.”
“I mean, in the past the Consortium have stolen away small colonies and underdeveloped alien species into the fold from other empires by promising them independence and better living standards. They also like to invite high value individuals to leave their societies and join the Consortium instead as a form of brain-drain... but I don't know much- I'm not an economist, okay?!”
”That's alright. I believe you.” Now then, I think you've been a good boy, so I've decided to pardon your torturous execution- but you need to do a little something for me.”
“Oh, really?! You will! Okay, I will!”
”Look right at that camera- AI good enough to fake video gets good at finding the fakes too, so let's make this a real confessional. Now I want you to admit that spying on the Hegemony was wrong, and that the Jaxtians are a proud and powerful people, and that I am so merciful for ending you with a knife instead of what I could do to you....”

With the spy interrogation finished, you have the body sent away to cold storage. Hwat will have at least two living samples of this species back on Jaxt in much better laboratory conditions- you won't need the extra risk and hassle of keeping this one around. You slip into your suspended animation and after a flight of several real-time months, you finally arrive in Baalathi space, the second length of your journey.

Much expected; the Esaal beat you here. They seem to have had a much longer and more bitter fight against the Baalathi then even you did- and counter attacking them would make sense. In that time, they've spread into the Baalathi systems with military scouting and colonization fleets; but it is still mostly loosely defended space. With territory markers only barely set up or turned off to give the appearance of a “no man's land”, the Esaal were sneaky, but it is clear that this region of space belongs to them now and they won't give it up without a fight.

Your three cruisers will not be even close enough to fight the Esaal fleet. That's a losing battle. Instead, you need to focus on what matters- getting to the Baalathi homeworld and finding whatever precious data you can, before quickly moving on to the GSA. This may just be the last artifact you need to finish Eoba II's secret lifelong project- the Threemind!
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...However, with the Esaal presence, that may be a bit trickier then you thought.

”Farro, what's going on?”
”The system is swarming with Esaal ship patrols, your Majesty. Let me give you the tactical details...”

Because of the powers of FTL and Starsight navigation- you can travel through this system quickly enough to stop these enemy ships from attacking you. However, you are relying on light-lag and your hyperspace navigators, the migrators aboard your Cruisers, you must make your moves as three turn plans. Your goal is to reach the Baalathi Binary Star System- which is marked by a blue circle. Once you reach it, you will need to leave the sector of space by reaching the edge of the map and warping out unmolested for at least a round.

Every round, you can move on space in any direction- including diagonals. You can also choose to stay still. While staying still for a turn, you become impossible to detect unless an Esaal ship moves directly over yours. You can also repair your ships if they are damaged; but not by much. We should prioritize speed.

Each Esaal ship has a sight radius of one square in all directions. If they see you, they will chase you. If an Esaal ship moves onto the same space as your fleet, they will engage in combat and you will take damage!

The majority of the ships on the display are Cruisers. However, the large ship in the Center is a Battleship. Battleships are many times more powerful then Crusiers, and are a massive type of ship class that the Hegemony is not yet capable of building- you should avoid running into this.

Around the map are also green question spaces. These are gravity anomalies that cannot yet be identified. As none of them give off the energy readings of ships or space stations, it can be safely assumed they will either asteroid fields which will deal some damage by moving through them, or a nebula which will allow you to lose ships chasing you.

You also have an alert level. Every time you are spotted by an Esaal ship, it will increase by one.

Finally, there are Esaal Warp Beacons marked on purple circles. These warp circles are where new Esaal ships will warp in if you reach an alert level with a ship or ships marked on it- and they have a vision radius of two spaces. You can also destroy these to lower the alert level by one.

"What's our plan, your Majesty?"

>Give a three step plan (example: Up, Stay Still, Up-Right) for where you want to move
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>>5293256
>Right, up/right, right (the three yellow squares).

Let's start by taking down a beacon, limiting the opportunity for reinforcements to teleport behind us like it's nothing personnel and we're just some kid. Heh
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>>5293262
And what makes you think we can attack them before they spot us? They have a radius of two.

If the cruisers can move three squares every turn, same as us, then i calculate this would be the max range of the cruiser close to us
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>>5293266
Good point. What about...

>Right, up-right, up-right

We'd end up to right of the closest anomaly, outside cruiser-range, and NEXT turn we can sweep in and take down the beacon.
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>>5293268
You're forgetting that these beacons have a sight radius of two. This is why i propose we go
>Right, Up-Right
It's dumb to think that we *need* to use all our movement points *every* turn. Doing this will allow us to stay out of the sensor's range, and there would also only be (3) possible squares in which the ship could spot us - any other one and we'd be clear.

We'd also have a clear shot at the sensor, unless another ship moved in too close.
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>>5293270
Hm, fair. I'll support you.

>>5293256
Changing my vote from >>5293262 to:
>Right, Up-Right, Hold
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Oh sorry, I forgot to mention that the Beacons can't move (but have static defenses)
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>>5293270
I think we need to pay attention to this detail in the top left. It seems to innocuously show what ships come in at what alert level, but something we can notice is they are all oriented the same way, and if you'll notice, some ships on the map are oriented differently, so this probably means we can tell what direction ships on the map are traveling in. The Cruisers look a little ambiguous, but I think it would make sense for the Battleship to be facing to the right. Therefore, if it's being consistent, which I think is a safe bet, those Cruiser images are what it looks like for Cruisers to be facing right as well. which means this Cruiser that is right above us is traveling to the right, and moving to the right and up ourselves would get us spotted.

I propose we either move to the left to avoid it, or stay still this turn to let it pass and confirm their initial patrol routes.
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>>5293276
You said that Cruisers will chase us if they spot us, but you didn't say what would happen if Beacons spotted us. What happens then?
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>>5293292
You will go up one Alert level.
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>>5293298
And then when we destroy the checkpoint, we're right back down, right?
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>>5293285
What makes you think the battleship would be facing right? Why would they make a big hole in the front? Furthermore, why would they make their bridges be on the bigger, flat end? It makes absolutely no sense.

In fact, what would make more sense would be if the shipin question was facing LEFT.
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>>5293300
>in the front
In the back*

A whole in the frount could be a big weapon. But why would they shape their battleships like an flying U?
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>>5293292
It'll increase the alert level. So any space within 2 of a bacon will increase the alert level if we stop in it.

I think our best bet might be to chance on the anomaly to our right, and move two squares to get inside it. Once in there, the next turn we can move out and 'execute' the beacon closest to us and open up a lot of freedom to move around the bottom of the map.
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>>5293300
>>5293301
Check your right vs. left. If it was facing left, then it would be a flying U with a hole in the front. I'm suggesting it is facing right, with the hole in the back.
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Perhaps facing has no bearing on their powers of perception but is instead an indicator of direction of travel?
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>>5293310
That is what I was saying, yes
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>>5293305
Why would a hole in the back be better? An hole in the front could be a giga-cannon or something similar.

The point is, why would they make the flat, broad side of their ship the front? It's stupid and it makes no sense.
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>>5293301
>A whole in the frount could be a big weapon. But why would they shape their battleships like an flying U?
you answered your question already. there isn't any reason not to since aerodynamics don't mater in space. and it confuses opponents.
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>>5293323
>any reason not to
Yes there is, armor. Even if they don't care about aerodynamics, you don't make the FRONT of an military vehicle the large, flat end, because that makes it extremely easier to shoot.
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>>5293320
>>5293331
Alright, let's consider that you're right and it is facing to the left. That means the Battleship is facing down and going to the right and up will get us spotted by the Battleship, and is still the wrong course of action. Can we agree on that at least?
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>>5293339
That would imply the battleship can move three squares per turn, which might not be true. Furthermore, if the cruiser is going left, then there is no space we can reach in the left that would allow us to escape it.
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>>5293344
Not immediately, but we can also choose to wait for it to patrol back to the right and lose out on nothing. The only situation where going to the right doesn't get us spotted is if the Cruiser is patrolling left AND the Battleship patrols less than 3 squares, and that is not good odds. Why do we need to risk that?
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>>5293256
>Right, Up-Right, Hold
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>>5293347
Because if we wait, then also risk getting into a straight up battle - not spotted, a straight up battle. Even if both the cruiser and battleship spotted us, they would not be able to attack us within that same turn.

Of course, we could always risk going into the green question mark, but that could lead to us getting damaged.
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>>5293350
Huh?? How is there any chance at all that we would get into a battle if we wait?? We are not in their path at all, even if we go left. Even if your nonsensical claim that you pulled out of your ass was right, I would still say it's better to get into a battle with a normal Cruiser we can beat and continue on from, than get spotted by the Battleship and Cruiser, which will definitely ruin us. No idea why you are so attached to your initial movement proposition that you resort to random nonsense, but I guess you clogged up the thread enough at this point that most people are not going to read this much and are just going to follow your bandwagon, so I guess you win. Congrats.
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>>5293363
If you want to risk that, it would be preferable to go into the GREEN CLOUD.
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>>5293373
There is no risk involved in going left or waiting. Going in the cloud also can just straight up damage us which is unnecessary given we have a risk-free option.
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>>5293256
>Left, Left-Up, Up
The battleship is moving north, so won't be a problem unless we alert it - for now. The red 'top' things of the battleship are likely the same as our green 'top' things, and the diagram on the side show how that relates in positioning to the cruisers. Assuming everyone moves at the same time, this course will take us around the cruiser's rear. Next turn, we can move north into the green ?, the turn after that we can take out the north-western sensor and head for the system. Turn after that, we might even be able to get to the green ? next to the Balathi system.
The southern route is a trap, even if we take out the southern sensor in 2 turns we'd be RIGHT next to the cruiser when we so it.
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>>5293256
>First Slylock Fox and now a graphic puzzle
We /Sunday Comics/ now?
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>>5293390
We don't know if this is turn-based or not, going up so quickly might alert him.

>>5293256
>Left, Left, Stay still
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>>5293403
We Western Quest(ern) now.
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You have decided to go Right, Up-Right, Hold.

Dealing with light lag and the slowness of your Migrator Star-Seer, you trust that your map will be up to date in time. You travel past a gravity anomaly without getting too close to discover what it is, and stop in place. Your ships are not damaged, and as such, there is nothing to repair.

Unfortunately, just as Farro had said, there are Esaal patrols all over this sector of space! You ended up getting close enough to get spotted, and while you hold in place- the Esaal Crusier moves in to attack!

You have gone up one alert level.

When you see the Cruiser, you get a better look at Esaal engineering and technology- the first time one of their ships have been examined by all multitude of scanners at this close a range. The Esaal ship is very utilitarian, built similarly to a submarine in space, though is apparently equipped with powerful weapon and defensive systems. Their AI technology is beneath yours, so you can steal a bit of intel from their bridge, but you can't disable or mess up their systems- it has been known for some time your technology outpaces the Esaal- except for the military. Despite this, you shouldn't underestimate them.

"There are the Jaxtians! Our intel was right, they were heading into Baalathi space. Send out the alert! PO- drive the ship into range! We're ordered to fire upon them here and now!"
"Yes captain!"

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You have now entered combat. You power up your weapons. While a 3 v 1 fight is greatly in your favor, taking damage here may force you to slow down for repairs, or even cause one of your ships to be destroyed if you aren't careful. If you lose one of your cruisers, some of your combat strength will be lost!

>Roll a d50. This will be the percent of damage dealt to the enemy vessel. The three highest rolls will be combined and used.
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Rolled 42 (1d50)

>>5294026
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Rolled 4 (1d50)

>>5294026
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Rolled 41 (1d50)

>>5294026
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Rolled 23 (1d50)

>>5294026
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Wow, what a surprise! Who could've seen this coming? Totally unprecedented.
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>>5294026
Aim for their stupidly overexposed bridge

If their engineering is so retarded, we'll win easily
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>>5294041
I'm sure this is how things work anon
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>>5294045
>Yes, let's make our bridge in the most exposed part of the ship, and also lets make the front of the ship flat and large
It is literally the easiest part to hit
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Rolled 43 (1d50)

>>5294026
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Rolled 19 (1d50)

>>5294026
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We're already above 100% with the first 4 rolls guys, we don't need to roll more
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Rolled 16 (1d50)

Rolling
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Rolled 31 (1d50)

>>5294026
R O L L I N G

>>5294064
The QM said the highest three. Not Bo3. People won't stop until three 50s are rolled.
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Rolled 24 (1d50)

>>5294026
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Rolled 37 (1d50)

>>5294026
HUWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Rolled 28 (1d50)

>>5294026
Pew pew
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Rolled 14 (1d50)

>>5294026
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>>5294026
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Rolled 43 (1d50)

The enemy vessel fires back- this roll is the amount of damage it will deal.

>>5294029
>>5294035
>>5294051

You have dealt 42 + 41 + 43 % damage from rolls. Your fleet also deals 5% bonus damage from its small fleet of fighters, and the Bite of Batool's advanced weapons granting an additional bonus of +2%.

You have dealt a total of 133% damage! This is enough to destroy the enemy Cruiser. You have also dealt some overkill damage- or damage over 100%. This damage represents the speed and ferocity of your small fleet- and naturally destroying an enemy faster means they can deal less damage to you. Overkill damage reduces the amount of damage you take by the percent you dealt over 100. In this case, you will take -33%, or about 1/3 less damage from the enemy attack.

When you engage the Esaal crusier, your computers and scanners go to work identifying weak spots and inserting programs to hack into the enemy ship. But at the same time, you also get a chance to appraise them more closely.

The Esaal ship shows a fundamental difference in design then your Jaxtian ships. The Hegemony has always viewed space ships as big investments; both for the potential value of their personnel as well as their importance in expanding the reach of your empire. As such, defense is prioritized slightly over offense, and each ship is both a living space, science lab, cargo hold, and carrier all in one. The ultimate multitool. The Esaal ship, by contrast, is a purely military vessel, uncomfortable and focused in its purpose. It's smaller and more compact for sure, and while its technology is lacking compared to yours, its weapons are fearsome. It is also designed for cost efficiency and you can already tell that, for equal resources, the Esaal could pump out many more of these ships at a much faster pace then your own. You find newfound respect from the Esaal when you consider the discipline that must be aboard that ship to fight one against three like this- are they simply stupid and don't know what they're up against? Or is the crew so dedicated that they will willingly risk death to simply wound an opponent when they have the opportunity to attack; instead of retreating and waiting for backup- in which case they may not get another chance?
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Rolled 2 (1d3)

This roll is for which ship of your fleet is hit.
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Looks like the Esaal focused fire on the largest and more powerful ship in your little fleet- the Bite of Batool. Thankfully, the large size, better armor, and magnificent captain in the form of Farro Val reduce all damage taken by the Bite by -2%. The Bite takes 30% - 2% damage.

It's a shame you won't have the time or cargo space to bring along the remains of any of the Esaal carrier. Getting an inside look at how the spaceship functions and its armor would be fantastic for your science, especially against the Esaal if you must engage in future engagements with them, but sadly you don't have the time or the equipment here to do it beyond surface level scans and taking a few Esaal bodies in from space for deep freeze storage. At least you'll get a sample for their genome. But you can't stay long, you need to move so another patrol doesn't happen past you again!

The Left Cruiser is undamaged.
The Bite of Batool is now at 72% Hull Integrity.
The Right Crusier is undamaged.
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"How goes the ship, Farro?"
"To be honest, your highness, poorly. We took a lot more damage in that fight then I would have hoped- and on your flagship. Why did they suicide to attack it? Are they targeting the Bite on purpose?! If the ship would have been destroyed..."
"I know you will not allow it to happen, Val. You are a good captain. I have the feeling that the Esaal crusier just got lucky this time- next time, we will do better. Show me the map- we need to plan our next move."

You took a decent amount of damage from that last fight, but can thankfully repair it by standing still- though this will waste valuable time... and possibly allow the Esaal to send in reinforcements. Now that you've been spotted, the clock is ticking. What is your next move?

>Vote for 3 moves for your next turn, in order
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>>5294597
>Up, Up, Hold
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>>5294599
The nortgern cruiser is patrolling left, rhis will get us into another battle immediately
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>>5294597
>Right, Right, Right
Let's take out the Warp Beacon there, give us more manoeuvring room on the south of the map.
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>>5294597
Take out the warp beacon
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>>5294597
>Diagonal Up-Left, Diagonal Up-Left, Diagonal Up-Left
We may be able to avoid most stuff that way.
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>>5294592
Wait, so we took 33%, overkill reduced that by a third, and armour reduced that by 2%, and we still ended up with 28% hull integrity? Not sure that math adds up.

>>5294597
>Right, right, right, kill beacon
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>>5294625
The damage rolled was 43 (it's all percentile, but raw numbers makes it easier).
>>5294575
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>>5294625
43-14.19 (which is 33% of 14.19) is 28.81. 100-28 = 72 (or 73 if it's a 29 if we use rounding up instead of down)

So, really, we should be looking at having a hull integrity of 74-75% unless I'm missing something since we have a DR of 2% as well.
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>>5294620
+1
My bet is that they’ll go towards the nearest sighting of us.
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>>5294606
Right, right, right.

I have no idea what's going on so I am voting for what's in the lead just so we can move on
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Why wouldn't that work?
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>>5294597
>Right, Right, Right
Going up left was a decent option before, but now that we took damage and raised the alarm, it looks like it would only be a trap. There is not a lot of room to maneuver up there, and once we clear this station, we get a clear path to the objective.

>>5295007
We are playing frogger with space ships and a few static obstacles, but this seems to be too hard for us.
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>>5295026
Because that top Cruiser is patrolling left and has a vision radius of 1, it would spot us and engage us. It would also take a while, and the alarm is steadily going up over time because we've already been spotted.
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>>5295007
Honestly, I just noped out at this guessing game. To many variables for me to really concern myself with trying to solve it. If one autist can provide a side-by-side comparison of the range/speed/direction of these vessels, I’d be mighty appreciative.

>>5295030
No, we’re playing a mobile Battleship with hard points and patrols.
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>>5295060
But there is no hidden information besides maybe when the patrols turn around and how fast alarm naturally goes up. Movement is not complicated and completely plannable to not set off alarm. I can make a basic graphic when I get home in a few hours, but it might update by then
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>>5295097
In the beginning we didn’t know the direction, range, or patrol routes of each ship, which effectively does turn it into a guessing game. Maybe it would’ve been smarter to wait on the edges and map out patrol routes, but anons seemed gun-ho to get moving, so I just didn’t care to participate and let the other anons have their fun with this.

Plus, the stealth mechanics for the plan utterly failed. We were found out immediately, and our holding action allowed for the enemy to attack us instead of it’s main purpose, to keep us hidden from sight.
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>>5295127
I worked out the first and third (mostly) in the first post, and the second was literally given to us. The stealth failed immediately because anons are idiots and couldn't wait but to immediately go into the obvious patrol path. Graphic incoming.
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>>5295127
>>5295060
Ok, so it turns out the Battleship did something a bit different than expected. It went over by one square and is facing the opposite direction. But otherwise, it's looking normal.

What we have is the Cruisers patrolling right to left. All ships moved 3 squares last turn, unless you count diagonals, then the Battleship moved 2 Squares, and I'd need to redo this graphic to accurately represent it. I suspect them to patrol to the edge an then double back, and perhaps change their row by 1. I expected the Battleship to be doing this pattern vertically, and perhaps it still is, but with edges to the route that aren't the edge of the map.

My proposed route takes us to the right, and unless the Battleship does something *really* weird, which we can react to, we should be clear of them.
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>>5295253
Also, looking at the last leg, we might want to divert that a bit to avoid getting spotted by that upper right post, but this should be the general form of it. Of course, subject to change to unexpected developments.
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>>5295246
Well, good job figuring that out. I just took one look at the presented map and noped outta there. The puzzle just didn’t motivate me into autism, and still doesn’t. I honestly expected us to lose this puzzle like all the others.

>>5295253
I think this is reasonable and sound. The only thing your missing though is the fact that when we get spotted taking out the space station or whatever, the patrol boat directly above us is going to change its patrol route and interject itself directly below it’s position, straight at our target, the space station.
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>>5295269
I mean, usually yes, but we haven't seen any difference in behavior so far from what was expected sans the Battleship, which I doubt is due to our behavior (and thanks to the bandwagon ensuring we immediately got caught, we don't have a baseline so can't be completely sure), but I expect them to just follow their routes. QM described them as chasing us only when we enter their sight, and their response to alarm being raised has been defined as them calling in reinforcements.
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>>5295274
But we will be in sight of the watchtower immediately when we move into that zone, which will change the calculus for the patrol boat above us to abandon its course to cut us off and save the reinforcement waypoint. Even if it doesn’t engage us in combat (which it very well might with it’s range), we’d be within their sight radius, meaning the alert level remains the same at best, if the watchtower doesn’t cause the alert level to rise when it sights us. I just don’t see the point in in attacking the station and getting the patrol boat on our tail.
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>>5295290
Again, this assumes they change course at all upon our sightings, which I don't think they will.
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>>5295290
Would this help avoid being spotted by the patrol boat until we can strike the watchtower, then maybe scoot away before the boat engages us?
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>>5295297
Not really, since the tower will spot us in range 2, and it will take them at minimum 2 turns to get down here anyways if they even change course at all, but the input is appreciated.
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>>5295294
Then it’s another gamble based off of interpretation, and I won’t argue it further. This puzzle just doesn’t inspire or motivate me to solving or arguing my case.

>>5295297
It would help if we wait, but then the battleship will just get closer to us, which I also don’t want.

The only way in without triggering a response would be to attack from a blind spot, specifically that ? near the top left tower.
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You move to the right three times in an attempt to take out the Warp Beacon.

The alarm level has raised by one.

You move your ships in closer; the interstellar space station is pretty big. Almost like a small military colony in space. You can tell from your scanner readings its not as well defended as the Esaal would probably hope; most of its design must be for observation and hyper-space manipulation. Because the Esaal use the space worms for navigation, and their numbers are very limited, they can't properly navigate every single ship in their fleets with just the worms. As such, they must use other methods- a warp space beacon like this one makes FTL travel faster and easier by acting essentially as a lighthouse for travelling ships. This waypoint will make it easier for Esaal ships to warp into this sector- taking out this beacon will give them more blind spots and make it harder for reinforcements to warp in.

Interestingly; fighting against a large target like this is pretty close to what the Hegemony has already been used to in space combat- in the form of fighting against the Baalathi space capsule and superstructure. Your understanding of space warfare has improved somewhat over time- Jaxtian military doctrine specifies a large enemy structure like this to be a "hard point", something that requires a squad of fighters and bombers to attack. This way, they can fly under its powerful shield arrays and directly strike its most vulnerable support structures. Interestingly, you think the Esaal are used to this kind of combat already, which is why their energy shields are emitted so flush with the hull in space; they probably have experience from the Baalathi.

Fighter bonus damage is tripled

As soon as you get within range; the Beacon begins charging its weapons and shields. There are probably over a thousand Esaal on that thing; working as part of the military machine. But you have to take it out.

>Roll 1d30 to attack. Highest 3 rolls will be used.
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Rolled 23 (1d30)

>>5295311
We are like little babies. Woe, plague is on thee.
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Rolled 15 (1d30)

>>5295311
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Rolled 28 (1d30)

>>5295311
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Rolled 12 (1d30)

>>5295311
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Rolled 8 (1d30)

>>5295311
Wait, if approaching an beacon raises the alarm, then what's the point? You get one, you lose one
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>>5295334
Beyond denying an entry point for reinforcements? There isn’t one.
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Rolled 10 (1d30)

>>5295311

>>5295334
>>5295336
The point is to move to the right part of the map, and doing so would put us in range of this beacon and raise the alarm. Directly attacking it lowers the alarm back down, partially negating the downside.

>>5295336
Also, wtf are you claiming there isn't a point for like you know what's going on, you've already said you gave up trying to understand this.
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Rolled 23 (1d30)

>>5295311
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Rolled 18 (1d30)

>>5295311
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>>5295339
Not gave up, just apathetic. I just don’t care enough to put forth the effort.

Also, it was never explicitly said that the tower would raise it’s alert level, which was what lead to the confusion in the first place, same as the stealth mechanics. While ambiguity is better for puzzles, for mini-games the rules do need to be clearer.
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>>5295353
Yes it did: >>5293298

And if you don't know what's going on, don't act like you do by saying there's no point to our action.
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>>5295359
I mean, if you want me to be accurate, I’d rephrase it to be less of a point to soothe your autism, but I honestly see no point in attack them beyond an A2/AD strategy, and this fight will only weaken us further and reveal our position to the enemy.
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Use the force!
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Rolled 15 (1d30)

>>5295311
Or just use the diceroller correctly...
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>>5295395
>>5295398
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Rolled 4 (1d30)

>>5295311
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>>5295365
Maybe come back when the minigame is over. Your jimmies are rustled, I get it, but I'm having fun.
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>>5295410
Actually, I’m enjoying the irony of being one of the highest rollers for this mini-game, but I’ll try to be quiet during the planning phase if it makes you feel better.
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Rolled 30 (1d30)

>>5295311
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Rolled 20 (1d100)

>>5295311
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Rolled 1 (1d30)

>>5295311
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Rolled 27 (1d100)

>>5295410
To each their own . I'm basically checking out besides die rolls myself. The game is too confusing for me to meaningfully engage in .
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Update will be at 12 hours so this is your last chance to roll.

I somewhat regret making the fighters so minor. Maybe 5% but 5x or 25% against the Beacons? The idea being if you have them against the beacons they are good but if you lose them... well, nvm
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Current highest three is a 30, 28, and 27. I doubt we're gonna get much better than this, to be honest.
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Rolled 10, 14, 20 = 44 (3d20)

Instead of a few larger anti-ship weapons, this station is equipped with many small weapons platforms- spreading the damage to your whole fleet. This roll determines the damage each ship will take in this order- Left, Bite of Batool, Right.

>>5295425
>>5295726
>d100

>>5295317
>>5295423
>>5295313

30 + 28 + 23 + (5x5) Fighter Power + 2 = 108%

It's a confirmed kill! With the destruction of this warp beacon, the enemy's ability to warp in reinforcements and better control this sector of space is reduced; your alarm has been reduced by one level. Your incoming damage is reduced by 8% from overkill damage.

"Farro! Tell the crusiers to move in to protect the fighters and bombers from the defense platforms! Extend the shield bubbles. We can't manufacture more out here within our limited timeframe- and tell the bombers to target weak points on the superstructure."
"Yes, your majesty! The Esaal's Station will fall in moments!"
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You have destroyed the station and cleared up this section of space; your current status-

The Left Cruiser is at 91% Hull Integrity.
The Bite of Batool is at 62% Hull Integrity.
The Right Crusier is at 82% Hull integrity.


Here is the current map. No new information to report. What is your next order, Supreme One?

>Vote for 3 moves for your next turn; in order
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>>5295762
>Right, up-right, up-right
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>>5295762
I think we should go
>Right-right-upright
And avoid risking being spotted
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>>5295762
>Right, up-right, up-right
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>>5295762
>Up-Right, Up-Right, Hold
This turn is confirmation that the Battleship moves 3 squares. So with this move, we are safely outside of the top right beacon sight range, can get to the system next turn, and nothing can engage us, and it’s highly unlikely we get detected. Small benefit of getting to repair.
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>>5295762
>>5295780
Changing my vote to this
>>5295783
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>>5295783
If we move enough we won't need to repair since we'll be in range of the homeworld
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>>5295835
That’s why I called it a small benefit. Also, my move puts us in range of the system.
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>>5295762
>Upright upright, upright
Then we can hit the goal in one triple diagonal move next turn
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>>5295864
Gets us spotted by the beacon, and we don’t need to go that far to be in range of the system next turn
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>>5295762
>Right, up-right, up-right
Gets us around the flank of the Esaal Battleship, and puts us in a position that next turn we can either take out a second beacon, or - more hopefully - move into the Baalathi system itself.
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Also - if we have any badly damaged fighters, put the Haazar skinsuit-wearing Leraay's corpsicle in the pilot seat of one, and ready to drone-steer it directly into heavy fire during the next engagement. If this 'pilot' is the only evidence the Esaal manage to collect on who actually attacked them here, and then they find out he was a consortium member in disguise...
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>>5295942
+1

Changing my vote here >>5295864 to this
>>5295783
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>>5295762
>down-right, right, wait

Evade detection. Watch their reaction. Repair and play to our strengths.
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>>5295762
Changing >>5295766 to >>5295783
>Up-Right, Up-Right, Hold
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>>5295783
Actually, two things can potentially engage us, and all it takes is one diagonal move from the battleship to spot and chase us.

>>5295835
>>5295848
I think you guys underestimate the value of repair, even a minor percentage boost could make the difference between life and death for Bite of Batool.
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>>5296522
It's first move was to go up 2 and over 1, skipping the diagonal, I don't think he's going to, and I doubt he's going right anyways.
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You travel Up-Right, Up-Right, and Hold for your final move. You barely skirt by the patrolling battleship, and have a spare moment to repair your ships.

"If we are attacked unexpectedly, your Majesty, we won't have time to bring in the astronauts repairing the hull on the outside of the vessel- otherwise we will have to rely on the AI self-repair systems."
"I am well aware of this, Farro, which is why I requested a dozen low-priority technicians to be brought along in suspension. Wake them up and get them in suits."
"Understood."

You held still one turn and repaired 10% Hull Integrity of each vessel. Your current status;

The Left Cruiser is at full Hull Integrity.
The Bite of Batool is at 72% Hull Integrity.
The Right Crusier is at 92% Hull integrity.


It has also been three turns since you entered this sector. The Alarm has naturally risen by one stage.

It's bizarre having a peaceful moment out here in open space; eventually considering how close you are to detection by the nearby patrolling Esaal and their ships. But its even more bizarre is the distances involved; you are actually tens of millions of miles away from anything else in the vast empitness of space; it is merely the ability of your technology and the AI to make it possible to ever find anything. Without Starsight or advanced computing the Esaal would never find you and you would never find them; you are both nothing but dust motes in the cosmic vastness...
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"Woah! Near collision! Status report!"

While in your bunk, you overhear a commotion. You are drawn to the bridge and find the small fleet of cruisers holding in place a celestial object. It's a comet.

"What happened?"
"A comet, sir. Probably one gravity-tethered to the Baalathi home system on a very long elliptical orbit. Probably only visits the system once every hundred years- if not more."
"And it... almost hit us?"
"Yes."
"You mean to tell me that a tiny rock, traveling incredibly slowly compared to our own journey, just so happened to naturally orbit in 3d space that it happened to be on a collision course with our three vessels whose gravity well and presence is so small we can barely even be detected with the finest of sensor arrays?"
"...It appears so."

What an unlikely occurrence. The probabilities of such a thing happening are... almost unthinkably small.

"Perhaps this is a turn of fortune."
"Hmm? Are you adopting to a blonde superstitious mindset while being in my proximity for so long, my lord?"
"No no, it's a comet. That means it contains ice- water. Deuterium. We can use it to top off our fuel reserves. It literally came straight into our lap. Computer- estimate the amount and give me projections on usefulness."

"Affirmative. We see two projections for the comets use; the first is to feed the comet's deuterium contents into the reactor core of the Bite of Batool. This will grant a small but permanent increase to the ships power and defense for the rest of the journey- the reactor core is slightly under its maximum mass for stable reaction due to the ship using a retrofitted reactor core from a standard cruiser. The second option would be to split the comet into three equal pieces, and give one to each ship for emergency fuel. It could then be used to speed the ships up for a short period of time; allowing you to escape one combat encounter OR gain an extra "boost" move on the map, which does not cause enemies to move- essentially moving two map spaces in one turn."

Interesting. Against all odds and likelihood; a source of tactical benefit just sauntered into your grip. Might as well make use of it- and you aren't exactly sure how much resistance may be within the Baalathi home-system, so the combat boost may not be a bad idea. But at the same time, making a speedy getaway before you attract any more Esaal ships may also be good... What's the call here?

>Feed the Deuterium into the Bite to increase its power
>Split the Deuterium and give each ship emergency fuel
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>>5296544
>Feed the Deuterium into the Bite to increase its power
We're as good as gone in our current position, we should get the one that buffs us after this map rather than the one that only buffs us for this map.
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>>5296544
>Split the Deuterium and give each ship emergency fuel
Reach the Baalathi, get in, get out.
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>>5296544
>Feed the Deuterium into the Bite to increase its power
The Baalathi home system is going to have a base, I’m fairly certain of it. What’s gonna happen is when we reach it there will be a fight, the alert will go up one, and we’re going to be surrounded by patrol ships that may engage us straight off the bat after we jump outta the system. We’ll probably be forced to fight one, maybe two ships, and assuming we’re at the end of the system, we can jump out a turn after we complete our mission objective. Combat utility outweighs maneuverability in this situation.
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>>5296544
>Feed the Deuterium into the Bite to increase its power
It's the most important ship, ergo, it warrants the upgrade.
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>Feed the Deuterium into the Bite to increase its power
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You have decided to feed the Deuterium into the Bite of Batool, increasing its power. If there are more vessels to face before you leave this wretched Star-Cluster, this will help you greatly. It doesn't take very long to grab the comet and break it down for processing- one round / time unit has passed and all enemy vessels have moved one space.

"Your Majesty, a word."
"Yes, Jale. Speak."
"Please understand, I would never question my Lord's decision. But I humbly ask this- is it so wise to be angering the Esaal like this?"
"Hmm?"
"I'm simply worried. Every time we have fought them here we fought at a great numerical advantage, and yet they fight back hard. They're ruthless and disciplined- I have this unfortunate sense that if we would have left the moment we saw them here it would have been for the best- could this expedition bring war upon the Hegemony by angering the aliesn? It would be a very destructive war..."
"Your concern is noted, friend. No, as far as politics go, the Esaal are not going to escalate this conflict. As long as we do not break the NAP we agreed with them before Eoba II got us blacklisted from the worms..."
"...Does this not count as "Aggression"?"
"The agreement with the Esaal was as follows; you leave us alone, we leave you alone. But that only applies to regions of space marked and patrolled by territory beacons and infrastructure. The Baalathi systems still have not been officially claimed by the Esaal. Everything they are doing here they do in secret, possibly to make the Consortium or neutral forces think this region of space is still patrolled by the hungry Baalathi. No, this is no man's land, the Esaal are simply engaging with us in a minor conflict away from home. Or international waters, as the degenerate capitalists would say..."

You now must plan your next move- your next 3 turn plan. Entering the Baalathi system is possible and within your reach, but it may also be prudent to repair your hull while you are in a safe place...
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Hmm...maybe we could repair our hull to wait for that other ship to keep movigng westward, and then quickly move into the system

Of course, the battleship is moving upwards now, so we'd be giving it more time to get close to us...BUT, even in one turn, they wouldn't be able to arrive within reach of us.

It depends whether we want to risk a close call with the battleship or risk going into battle with damaged ships
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>>5297088
>Up-Left, Up-Left, Up-Right
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>>5297088
>Up-Left, Up, Up
We can repair when there aren't Esaal buzzing all around and we don't have a timer bringing more into the system. We need to complete the mission and gtfo.

>>5297097
The Battleship is patrolling in a vertical circle, and won't spot us unless we move to the left. The only thing we need to worry about spotting us is that top left patroller, who might come back on the line he is on and become adjacent to the binary system, and that can be best mitigated by going into the system immediately.
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>>5297111
+1
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>>5297111
Yeah, fair enough, lets just do that
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>>5297111
>Up-Left, Up, Up
The Battleship is the only true problem, we will survive if we have to fight a cruiser when leaving.
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>>5297088
>Hold, upper-left, up
We need the health.
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You decide not to waste time and move Up-Left, Up, Up, and move directly into the Baalathi system. Your ships fly into the system and drop from Hyperspace as you float into the system. The Baalathi homeworld- the home of the first alien race to fight the Hegemony- their binary star system feels as hostile and mysterious as that first capsule did all those years ago.

You expect resistance but the system is strangely... empty? Devoid of most asteroids, the planets and moons are small and seemingly broken apart, and there are no beacons or space stations. Only the drifting remnants of the Baalathi superstructure show any sign of civilization.

“Where is everybody?”

It's strange, you'd expect the Esaal to be crawling all over this system. This is the home system of their most hated enemy- the Baalathi. While the Baalathi sent a few capsules to your own home cluster, they sent many more to the much nearer Hazaar... but the lions share certainly went to the Esaal. Not only from distance; but you must consider that the Esaal probably expanded from their home system much earlier then you did- using sub-FTL colony or generation ships. Who knows how many colonies were attacked, how many lives were lost, how many setbacks they suffered. But there is nothing here.

”Perhaps it makes sense. There are no habitable worlds, and no resources- the Baalathi likely stripped almost everything of value from this system during their expansion craze. Even the trace elements in the gas giants were likely stripped away- except perhaps for a large amount of Tritium from the twin stars produced in the gas giant...”

”Hold on! Our scanners found something! Your Majesty, look! There is an Esaal facility here! And it's... unarmed!?”
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”Unarmed? You're kidding right?”
”Energy signs show, no, it is not a weapons platform. Or even a defensive structure.”
”Esaal janitors are more heavily armed then our Enforcers for fuck's sake. What is it then?”
”It appears to be a civilian base- likely a port or containing support staff for the nearby fleet activity.”

It makes sense. Early colonization effort, a nearby place for soldiers to unwind or have their families close at hand. But totally undefended like this? It seems strange. Or were the patrolling ships meant to be all the protection it needed?

”Your Majesty, if I may...”
”What is it, Jale?”
”This base will detect us if we come any closer to the system- we can't get our samples without it getting in the way. You and I both know that they will obey their instructions- and raise the alarm. Threatening them won't work- We can't afford to draw any more of the attention of the Esaal's military fleet-”
”So-”
”Destroy them! This is about survival- we have bombing capabilities in this fleet- we can flatten that installation. Your Majesty- I learned all about the Esaal's culture while studying espionage- the Esaal don't believe in civilians. All enemies are combatants- this is what they believe, turn it back on them!”
”Enough.”

The truth that Jale did not mention is that this isn't a belief of the Esaal- the belief that there are no civilians in war. It is a belief both your nations share. The Hegemony does not believe in civilians in warfare either. There is no such thing as a noncombatant.
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Once a certain point of cultural and scientific cynicism and sophistication is reached; the belief in “innocents” or “bystanders” belonging to a certain faction no longer exists. It is only the product of a weak, ignorant culture that believes anything else. There are no civilians in war. The base below has women and children; families of the soldiers fighting abroad; these are the replacement and breeding stock of the enemy. The elderly and priesthood, if the Esaal had any, are moral support and sources of wisdom. Even pacifists or criminals belonging to the Esaal are still supporting the war effort- as the product of their labor is taxed and collected for the war effort, or even their punishments further drive the rest of the people forward to march.

Perhaps in a very primitive culture, a culture of the same race and religion as each other, perhaps there can be bystanders. Little people who are raided and forced to provide for whatever feudal lord owns their land- perhaps they are innocent. But in a mechanized, industrialized society where warfare is an economic feature of their society, a battle between races- much less two different alien species- there are no innocents or bystanders. There are no civilians here; only a support network for the enemy ships.

The irony of course is your hesitation to order the bombardment. You've already blown up a ship and a starbase; sending hundreds of men to their deaths. But suddenly you feel some kind of strange empathetic, moral compulsion to not attack the “innocent” below- but you know it isn't real. It is an animal empathy that has no place in your position, or in your society. The truth is simple. If you do not destroy and kill the Esaal civilians here- they will call for help, and it will raise the alarm level. There is no question of that. If you destroy them quickly- you can silence them before they call for help. The Esaal would do no different in your position- but it is not to punish their “hypocrisy” but pure pragmatism. But even if they accept this, that doesn't necessarily mean they are going to just gloss over this either- they'll be pissed. Hypocritical or not, your relations with the Esaal will suffer if you do this, that is for certain.

Your ship is approaching short range scanner range of the base. It's time to make your decision.

>Bomb the Base (Relations will worsen)
>Do not Bomb the Base (Alarm Level will raise)
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>>5297870
>Bomb the Base (Relations will worsen)
Our "relationship", if you could even call, is only held together by a NAP and even then. I'd say we should just bomb 'em.
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>>5297870
>Raid the base and destroy the beacon with an armed force, and plant the dead agent to shift blame to the Consortium
Might as well make use of that dead body, right?
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>>5297877
That would just lead to them firing the alarm.
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>Do not Bomb the Base (Alarm Level will raise)

We can use the dead consortium agent to help throw the trail (false flag a false flag attack), and we’re literally about to warp out anyways. We don’t need to destroy these people, and worsen diplomatic relationships with a peer- or even superior- military power.
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>>5297877
Sending down ground troops is a LOT slower than dropping a bomb. They'll set off the signal and the relationship will get worse because of what the ground squad did.

This probably isn't a great idea.
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REMINDER That If the alarm raises they will spawn reinforcement and most likely attract the cruisers close by
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>>5297870
>Bomb the base
>but only their offensive capabilities
>plant the Consortium agent on a damaged fighter or something, make it seem we can't hit them worth shit

Time to lay on some Maskirovka
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>>5297981
They don't have offensive capabilities, that's the whole point here.

>>5297980
They have not deviated from their patrols any time the alarm has been raised so far, I really don't think they will do so if we raise it now. But yes, the reinforcement spawn is something to consider.
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>>5297870
>Bomb the Base (Relations will worsen)

The Esaal stopped talking to us, without good reason, after a previous amicability. Perhaps they need to be reminded why it was a good thing to have a dialogue with us.

Additionally, the Esaal ships are purely military craft, not multi-functional. If we destroy this base, they may no longer have the logistics required to support their fleet here in this cluster. If we can force them to withdraw from the Baalathi cluster due to lack of supply, we might be able to just move on in afterward - though to do this, we might have to take out the warp beacons as well.
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>>5297974
+1
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>>5297870
>Bomb the base
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>>5297870
>Bomb the Base (Relations will worsen)

We should destroy the rest of the warp beacons before leaving this area of space. If we can't be loved, we'll be feared.
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>>5298041
>We should destroy the rest of the warp beacons before leaving this area of space.
Banannas has stressed we should complete this mission as quickly as possible. So let's grab the core and GTFO, no cunning plans, no lingering any longer than we have to.
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We really need to step up our military production, we don't even have Battleships yet

We're gonna need a whole lot more ships in the close futuee
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>>5297870
>Bomb the Base
Sucks to have to do it, but our Supreme Leader and the Threemind project are ecah individually worth more than a few aliens.
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>>5297870
>Bomb the Base
It's sad and all, but if we don't, those ships might get us, and we can't risk letting our country be attacked while in an leadership crisis.
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Just a quick reminder that by committing to the Bombing Run, we are effective putting the Hegemony on track to fight a two-front war with Esaal and the Consortium, with the Cyte also coming for our ass. You lads should take some short term pain over long term problems.

>>5298041
No, I agree with >>5298052.
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>>5298196
And you don't think the Esaal are going to attack us regardless of what we do?
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>>5298248
I actually think they won't. It was explicitly said we had an understanding not to attack each others' marked territory, and this system is neutral ground. There is something to be said for not worsening relations.
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>>5298258
By the letter of that agreement, though, this isn't their marked territory.

And technically, they started this! They approached with orders to fire upon us in officially neutral space and initiated the first combat, everything else is on them.
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>>5298263
exactly, so this is free ground, but I don't expect them to attack our territory after this is over
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>>5298248
No, the way I see it is that they are a neutral party diplomatically. This won’t result in an outright declaration of war, but it will focus their hate and ire onto us instead of one of their neighbors, which will put us on the track of outright war. Considering the Consortium will always hate us due to the Worm influence of their society, pissing off another neighbor will only lead to a hot two front war instead of Cold War with the Consortium, and this doesn’t include whatever happens when the Cyte finally reveal themselves. We need more friends, not more enemies.
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>>5298316
Exactly we need to choose our battles here.

Hell, worst-case scenario we can hail the attacking ships and invoke the NAP to get them to back off. As we said our nations are similar enough they should also want to avoid a multif front war.
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>>5297870
>Bomb the Base
The mission is too important.
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>>5298316
Conversely, showing that we have the strength and determination to carry out this sort of operation might have them end up respecting us more.

It might be meta-knowledge, but don't forget that our relationship with them severely deteriorated just after their 'kidnap-probe' of our space and the worlds within it - possibly because the Jaxtians of the time were unable to detect or stop a violation of their claimed space. It might be that they respect all forms of strength, whilst 'weakness' earns their scorn.
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>>5298565
Doubtful, since it says “Relations will worsen”
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How are people liking this minigame with the map? Is it getting tiresome?
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>>5298608
I mostly listened to other people but it's fine.
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>>5298608
It's maybe going a little long, insofar as it is slowing the pace, but I honestly don't mind it.
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>>5297870
>>Bomb the Base (Relations will worsen)
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>>5298608
It's a bit long, and I think doing something like putting us in a position to raise the alarm immediately was never going to go right with the ineptitude that comes with such a large audience as this. Otherwise the puzzle made sense, and I appreciate that it was solvable if you observed the patterns which weren't very complicated.
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>>5298608
I dislike it.

As a flash game I could see it as fun but running it through votes makes it a long drawn out annoying process that makes me want to just get back to the main game.

It reminds in the quest thread what they said about how unlikeable a tcg quest would be where you actually play a tcg.
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>>5298608
It confuses me and I'm sitting out the voting until it's over.
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>>5298608
Took getting used but I voted this round finally
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>>5298608
Apathetic. I can see the point of it, and maybe it can be improved to be fun, but I originally saw this as a puzzle to even understand how to play properly, which turns me off to a mini game, and I saw it as a bit of a time waster, though battling the cruiser and station was neat. I really liked the damage mechanics though, it was intuitive and simplified instead of the usual DnD HP mechanics.
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>>5298702
>>5298773
>>5298776
Maybe it would help if next time, rather than step-by-step combat, each round we were given a more narrative selection of options like
>hold+observe+repair
>proceed stealthily
>shoot straight for the objective
>inflict maximum damage
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It only takes a few minutes. Your Crusiers are equipped with planetary bombardment modules; using the super-heavy Thorium kinetic rod weapons- each with the destructive force of many explosive or energy-weapon based warheads. Your Cruisers swoop in and flatten the base before they are able to get off the alarm; reducing it to a flattened pile of rubble.

”My Lord- life signs are negative.”
”Good. Let's move on to our target.”
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Your fleet approaches the Baalathi homeworld- the gas giant. Strangely enough, you don't even need a gas sample- as you had a sample of this gas from hundreds of years ago- it's surreal to see the source from which your first space war sprang; especially now that it is so silent. The super structure that surrounds the planet has been broken into pieces and is now merely floating by- excluding the stuff that fell into the planet's gravity and was lost to the clouds.

Thankfully, the superstructure here appears a little more complex. New gas-based computing systems are quickly scanned and added to your data banks. You also send a shuttle down to the gas giant to check on the Baalathi themselves.

”They must be really angry down there.”
”Hmm?”
”Well, their brains are fucked up, right? Totally ravenous and focused only on expansion because their planet has none of the Argon they need to feel happy and peaceful, or something like that? So they're just stuck down there without any means of expansion.”
”It would appear so... Except, wait a second...”

Where are the Baalathi? There aren't any. Readings are negative; the planet is dead. Not even a single tiny magnetic pulse that indicates a cluster of them. How is this possible?

The Baalathi are like a planetary virus; once they infect a gas giant, they can't be removed again. The Baalathi reproduce faster then any other living thing your species has ever discovered; they have to. Gas giants are massive and volatile- every day, planet-sized storms ravage gas giants and lightning storms hundreds of thousands of bigger and more powerful then anything on a terrestrial planet ravage the depths of a gas giant. The Baalathi would go extinct if they couldn't replace themselves by the billions very very fast. The only explanation as how they aren't here is if... they were never here to begin with, which seems unlikely, or the Esaal wiped them out. But how?

Even if the entire Jaxtian fleet flew through the clouds blasting 24/7 with all weapon systems, combing the atmosphere for every trace of them, the Baalathi would reproduce faster then you could kill them. Even if you made a thousand thousand nukes and blasted the entire planet with deadly radiation all at the same time, there is no way you'd get all of them unless you had enough to literally blow the gas giant apart. It's chilling. What are the Esaal capable of?
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You have returned to the map. The bombing and research of the Baalathi homeworld is now complete- and did not take much time. One round has elapsed. Now you must leave the system by reaching any edge space of the map and being able to charge your ship's engines for one round without moving- meaning you can't easily leave while being chased.

>Vote for your three move turn
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>>5298833
Oh look, raising the alarm would have effected nothing. Bombing the civilians was entirely irrelevant.
>Up-left, up, repair and jump
I just want this autism over with. I don’t want to hear any autistic moral ramblings after anons effectively voted to murder children.
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>>5298831
>It's chilling. What are the Esaal capable of?
Ah shit, and we just made them mad.

>>5298833
>Up-left, up, repair and jump

>>5298852
>anons effectively voted to murder children
Welcome to the horrors of war,e specially between two fascist space-empires that don't believe in no-combatants. Please enjoy your stay.
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>>5298858
I’m referring to their moral hypocrisy, not IC rationale. I will say that from a utilitarian perspective what they did was also retarded. Pissing off a rival space power with an superior military? Yea, you should’ve just taken the damn alert level and contained this incident diplomatically.
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>>5298831
>Up-left, up, repair and jump
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>>5298868
I don't vote to maintain moral consistency, I vote for the way I want the story to go or that seems sensible for the characters and their situation. What Supreme Leader worth his salt, who passed the sorts of trial Kima failed, would risk himself, his species' future, and his flagship and fleet for alien spawn from a rival empire?

Keeping the Esaal more amenable makes some sense, too, but I chose to put the mission first. It seemed like what our reconquista's leadership would do.
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>>5298833
We did repair while in the Baal home system as well, right? I don’t see why we wouldn’t take the opportunity to so.

>>5298872
Think though it logically. We are one turn away from jumping out, all the other ships would’ve still be the same distance away, and reinforcements wouldn’t have been within range of us anyway. We literally just mortgaged our future for a non-advantage, and we will be have to pay it back with interest.
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>>5298833
>Up, Up-Left, Halt (prepare to jump)

>>5298858
>>5298870
Up-left first puts us in scan range of the warp beacon and raises the alert. The final placement is fine, but we need a direct up first off.
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>>5298833
>up, up, up
Let's get this over with.
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>>5298913
You smoking something anon, because I think you mean Up-Right instead.
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>>5298925
...Oh, derp. NVM, you're right, I got my directions confused.
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>>5298913
>Up, Up, Halt (prepare to jump)

Changing my vote because apparently I was a retard in making my original choice.
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>>5298833
>Back to Mapmek again
Oh come on
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>>5298858
It's one thing to role play as an amoral empire. It's another to roleplay as an amoral empire AND act morally superior to the people you enslave.
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>>5299015
Amoral empires tend to do that, anon. They have to, to justify enslaving, exterminating, or otherwise abusing people.
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>>5299015
>amoral and moral behavior are mutually exclusive
kek
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>>5298913
>>5298872
>>5298858
>>5298852
Going Up-Left at all will get us spotted by the Battleship on its patrol route. It is now at the start of its route again, and it goes to the spot just left of the (?). Also, going Up-Left first is especially silly since it might make us run into asteroids and take damage for no reason. Meanwhile, just going Up is perfectly safe. I would highly recommend reconsidering your votes.

>>5298833
>Up, Up, Hold (For Charging Engines)
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>>5299033
... That's what the suffix "a" is for, they are by definition mutually excusive.
You know what anon, you just won the golden medal for mental gymnastics.
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>>5299034
(also you) >>5298870
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>>5299034
The question mark anomaly may also speed our retreat. We'll see!
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>>5299035
>text definition means they must be mutually exclusive in this context too!!!
kek
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>>5299037
No, it objectively will not. It isn't a mystery box, we've been told it is either a nebula to throw any currently pursuing enemies off our tracks when we enter it (we have none currently), or an asteroid field that will damage us. Zero reason to go in, it can only hurt us.
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>>5298833
>Up-left, up, hold
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>>5298608
Another thing I've realized of relevance to puzzles: people don't read, especially for anything of any significant length. People constantly are confused as to what things represent and how things operate despite them clearly being worded out in your posts. I think for future puzzles, as silly as it seems, they may need to be even simpler than this, or otherwise have the explanation be much shorter.
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>>5299121
I mean, I'm a little annoyed because I thought this would be like a centerpiece of this thread and I very specifically make everything as visual as possible, which is a unique advantage I have over a text-based quest, so I can do things like board game puzzles, I'm just a little disappointed nobody seemed to like it or engaged with it in an interesting way. Oh well.
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>>5299126
Yeah I can understand that. I think the main thing throwing people off of it is the length, especially when they don't want to read how it works. Previously puzzles would be just one post long, and then we'd move on. This is a significant shift where we have many posts in a row as we traverse through the puzzle, and it didn't allow for a lot of creative expression outside of where to go, especially with a soft time limit (even if said time limit absolutely makes sense in-setting).

It really does confuse me how people seem to not even try to understand this puzzle, it is literally frogger with a few other elements. I think people have been conditioned to not even try to understand the puzzles because of the difficulty, complexity, and vagueness of the previous puzzles encountered so far. Either that or people are just dumb, not sure.
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>>5299126
I think if you had introduced a few side objectives it would have been more interesting, as the current version just had us go straight for the Homeworld. I suppose we could have tried fighting the battleship but that woulda been super risky. It's overall not terrible just coulda have been better
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>>5299126
I feel it was a good idea, just poor execution, the updates between moves took too long, and the space anomalies couldve been cool side objectives to find potential undiscovered balaathi tech or even a pod of Space Whales that our blonde could have a moment of bardhood, each of our advisors we brought have had special roles that will be in future Hegemony history books, Bluey started the reconquista, Jale ordered the Essal outpost destroyed, and Farro couldve been one of the first space bards/ develop space shanties for our fleet, pipe dream I know but I like little lore things, and this whole mission if it goes smoothly will be a major Jaxtian Milestone
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>>5299126
It was an interesting concept this just isn't the right platform for it.

If you had the time and effort next time you do something like this maybe have it be a link to a flash game and talky the scores of players for the "votes."
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>>5299132
Because playing a game meant to be real time with instant feedback and total control becomes harder to engage with when every move has to be voted on and you need to wait a day for the results.
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>>5299191
Yeah if you wanted it as a centerpiece of the thread you could have done it like a Mario/Breath of the Wild/Pokemon "over world." An overarching puzzle for the thread to be anchored on . The mistake was having a week straight of just voting on directions.

Had he done one or two direction votes. Then returned to the role play format and then after leaving a system returning to the "over world" set up it could have worked

You could have added random encounters and such as well.
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>>5299126
I liked it. Just needed a little time to figure it out. Ive been busy.
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>>5299236
I'd be curious then to hear why you're voting to potentially give us free damage in an asteroid field instead of just going up.
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>>5299041
Well, not speed out escape then, but cover it.

>>5299252
That's why I'm choosing it. If reinforcements arrive or a foe does skemthing unexpected, this will cover us.
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>>5299256
It won't cover us though. First of all, if we just go up, no patrol will be in range to spot us. Second, the Battleship patrol puts it just left of the Question Mark point, which will spot us when we go Up-Left, Up, regardless of if it is a Nebula or not. Therefore, that option is strictly worse, in that it risks damage, and guarantees us getting spotted, as opposed to a guarantee of not taking damage OR getting spotted.
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>>5299126
In all honesty I don't think that it's you, we're just not very intelligent.
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>>5299256
Plus, reinforcements only come from the beacons, and even if they spawned *right now*, it wouldn't matter, because we would be able to get away in time provided we don't get delayed by a fight. No enemy ship has acted unexpectedly this entire time, they followed their patrol routes regardless of whatever we did, except for the one Cruiser in the beginning that we got in range of that pursued us according to what the QM said would happen.
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>>5299252
To avoid potential detection by the two nearby ships who may move closer as they can spot us if they become adjacent to us... unless that is a nebula. That's how I think it works though I have read disagreeing posts and taken the time to go back and reread the first set of map posts.
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>>5299281
The Cruiser to our right has been doing a circular patrol around the System we are in the *entire* time with no deviations. This turn it will go down and to the left. The Battleship to our left will go up 2 and over 1 as per the patrol it has been doing this *entire* time with no deviations. Nebulas don't help us unless there is someone currently chasing us (there isn't) or if we are in them when something is next to us, which we wouldn't be. We would be one square above it, and be spotted by the Battleship that goes next to the Nebula. Just passing through a Nebula doesn't help us if no one is chasing us.

We already avoid detection just by going up. Even if I was wrong about the Nebula and the Battleship (I'm not), there is zero reason to suspect the Cruiser to our right would do anything other than what it's been doing the entire time, therefore there is no reason to risk going into the Question Mark point and risk taking damage when we can just go Up and avoid the Battleship anyways.
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>>5299285
Okay, I'm sold.
Revising my choice to....
>up,up, hold(for charging engines)
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>>5299126
Considering with our first turn we unintentionally waited for the patrol boat to catch up and attack us, this seemed more like a guessing game than anything, at least in practice. After that, we were on the clock to get this over with rather than really explore the mini-game or mechanics.

On an semi-related note, I find it interesting that the supposedly intelligent Cijan keeps fucking up on the puzzles. Would this be considered the Worf Effect for intelligence narratively?

>>5299132
This played out more as a vague multi-turn mini-game than it did an extended puzzle, with us more acting like a submarine avoiding sonar than any convoluted frogger you keep referencing about, with us guessing and hoping that the patrols don’t change course just to fuck us up. Saying it’s just a puzzle is a reductionist and misleading.

>>5299268
>No enemy ship has acted unexpectedly this entire time
>except for the one Cruiser in the beginning
Lol

>>5299285
Wouldn’t the alert being raised and our position telegraphed to the enemy affect their patrol routes and actions? Why would they continue on the same patrol route with the alert raised, a patrol ship down, and a warp beacon destroyed? You’d think they’d start taking some unexpected action at this point.
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>>5299386
>we unintentionally waited for the patrol boat to catch up and attack us
I fervently argued against this course of action specifically because it was predictable and I knew it was going to happen, no guessing involved.

>with us guessing and hoping that the patrols don’t change course
Again, I've constantly been saying the patrols have been constant, and we had no reason to suspect patrols changing course.

>>except for the one Cruiser in the beginning
If you read the words literally immediately after that you'd understand why I said this. It's not a contradiction or failure on my part, I even predicted on the first turn that it would run into us and chase us. And note, ***IT DID NOT RANDOMLY CHANGE COURSE***, it left its route because *we entered its sight range*, as it was stated to do in the rules for the puzzle, not for any random reason.

>Wouldn’t the alert being raised and our position telegraphed to the enemy affect their patrol routes and actions?
No, because the only specified behavior changes described by the puzzle rules was if we entered their sight range. The effects of alarm being raised was described as bringing in extra ships at certain levels, nothing else.

>Why would they continue on the same patrol route with the alert raised, a patrol ship down, and a warp beacon destroyed?
Because this behavior is consistent with the wording of the rules. Ordinarily, yes, you would expect them to change course, but in this context, no, they would not.

And on the note that we've established that they have not and will not divert their course, could you please change your vote to just going up instead of going Up-Left? It is strictly worse to go Up-Left as I've described here: >>5299034, >>5299041, >>5299260, >>5299268, >>5299285
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>>5299410
>Because this behavior is consistent with the wording of the rules.
Do the rules state that the enemy will follow their patrol routes without fail, or is this simply a rule by omission?

Regardless, sure. I’m not really invested in my course of action anyway beyond finally utilizing the [?] game mechanic, so I’ll just change my vote.

>>5298833
Changing my vote >>5298852 to
>Up, Up, Jump
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>>5299498
It's closer to a rule by omission. They state what will happen when we raise the alarm level, and how that happens, and the only time mentioned where they pursue us is when we enter their sight range.

Also, thank you.
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>>5299512
And how does a rule by omission help us understand the rules of the game? We could have easily inferred the opposite, that the enemy is not on set patrol routes and that by alerting them to our presence we also reveal our location to the local forces to affect their patrols. It’s one of those mechanics that would’ve benefited from clarity right out of the gate.

No problem.
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>>5299531
Yes, it could have been communicated more effectively. The way I got it was that we were provided circumstances for the enemy to react to us and how the reactions would look like, and nowhere in that was them moving in response to alarm raising.
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Incomplete information can be a source of challenge. The direction and patrol logic made for a hard but solvable puzzle, even if that second part went over my head. Good puzzle.
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>>5299410
The virgin min-maxer.

>>5299037
The CHAD explorer of the unknown.

Update is in production
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>>5299721
>The Virgin get out scot-free
>The Chad take damage and potential encounter with Battleship to let the QM show off the Question Mark
you got me
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>>5299729
Watch, that gravity well was some wicked artefact of Balaathi Precursers or something.
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>>5299729
Nothing shameful about being a virgin. I live in seething envy of the wzardly might you shall soon obtain!
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>>5299731

from >>5293256:
>As none of them give off the energy readings of ships or space stations, it can be safely assumed they will either asteroid fields which will deal some damage by moving through them, or a nebula which will allow you to lose ships chasing you.
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>>5299736
I promise, it's okay, we all still think you're very cool and smart.
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>>5299736
>the Baalathi likely stripped almost everything of value from this system during their expansion craze
But sure, the Baal would totally just leave unused resources right next to their home system!
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>>5299752
...are you arguing that the narrative presented to us by the QM that they could be asteroids, and the mechanical consequence of us encountering them, is false?
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>>5299754
I’m arguing that narratively the Baal would use up any resources nearby to help themselves aggressively expand, especially one so close to their home system.

Also, if there was a mechanical consequence, there would be a dice roll to determine if it was a nebula or an asteroid cluster.
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>>5299762
Who's to say there isn't a dice roll? We haven't had the update yet.
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>>5299768
You’d think the roll would come with the Bananas production update, virgin min-maxer.
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>>5299772
Your option might not have won, or otherwise he could have decided which anomaly was an asteroid or nebula beforehand with no need to roll.
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>>5299774
If Bananas already decided, then it would make more narrative sense for it to be a nebula, because the Baal would have likely stripped any nearby asteroid clusters clean in their expansion phase.
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>>5299784
That's a nice theory. Whatever the case, even if it was a nebula, it wouldn't help us at all because of reasons I've specified previously, it would just mean we wouldn't take damage going through it, which we wouldn't need to risk by just going Up.
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You travel Up, Up, and Hold to escape this sector of space. As you are not being persued, you have no trouble charging your Hyperspace engines and leaving the system. You spend the few moments of time repairing your ship hulls-

The Left Cruiser is at full Hull Integrity.
The Bite of Batool is at 82% Hull Integrity.
The Right Crusier is at full Hull integrity.


”And now... onto the GSA.”

The Baalathi Home System was in the middle of their local cluster- you must simply pass by the others on your way out of the area of space and towards the GSA- the tiny sliver of space not yet occupied by your two rival empires; the Esaal and Consortium. You reports your findings, both scientific data and your personal activity logs, back to your homeworld along your secret quantum entanglement communications line. In the meantime, you have a nice chat with Hwat.

“How goes the journey, your grace?”
”Excellently. We encountered minimal resistance. Soon we will enter suspension and allow the ship's autopilot and Starsight Navigator to make the rest of our journey. Even with the new FTL drive, it's still going to be almost a full year in suspension just to reach these aliens. I do hope it is worth it.”
“I'm sure it will be, my lord. Not only for the data you have already sent us back home- except for the “Reconstituter”, our scientists need that in person- the impression will go well. You yourself are a paragon of Jaxtian nobility!”
”To be honest, I feel as a Dulioan like yourself would be a bit more fitting of the “high culture” the GSA claims to have...”
“Nonsense, Cijan!”
”...Speaking of which, your appearance has changed. Is that makeup?”
“Oh, this? Yeah- it's a show of solidarity among some State Philosophers. Some have been physically assaulted during some really heated debates- I'm wearing the same spots as them to show they aren't to be trifled with.”
”...?”
“Don't worry, the offenders have already been punished. I warned them the next infraction will mean twenty lashes...”
”Well, I'm sure you have a handle on things. Goodbye, Hwat.”
“Oh wait- there is one more thing my Lord...”
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“It's about the Hazaar. The newly found Hazaar vassal states.”
”Hmm?”
“I know, I know. You put me in charge of things back home- but as this has to do with your Reconquistia, and you're better suited to this political stuff then me, I am unsure how to advise Bluey on setting things up over there.”
”What is the issue?”
“It's not a problem- moreso just an open question. You see, Hegemony space is marked with territory beacons; that's how all FTL species do it. But the Hazaar space is newly conquered and still in no-man's land. Most species probably believe it is still under Baalathi control. The question is this; should we set up territory beacons of the Hegemony there? Doing so will essentially publicly announce that we own the systems. We may appear as violent expansionists, and may be considered more of a threat simply from the size of owning two star clusters then just one; but at the same time, it may also protect the fledgling state from unwarranted aggression.”
”And what of the Overseer?”
“Oh, Bluey very much wants to fly the Hegemony colors, so to speak. He's been pinging me almost every day requesting territory beacons be manufactured and sent to him via FTL freight. I've been dragging my feet on such an important decision because I'm unsure- I think I'll rely on your input instead. Should we mark this territory as under Hegemonic control?”

Publicly and officially marking the newly created Hazaar vassal state underneath the Hegemony would be a landmark in your species history- and to your reign. But at the same time, there are some minor reasons as to why it may be best to avoid- you'll have to go with your gut on this one.

>Mark the Territories and officially expand your empire
>Deny Bluey's request for a while longer
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>>5299797
>Mark the Territories and officially expand your empire
If we don't, I see a good chance the Esaal come knocking looking to take some new territory from the Baalathi and find us there instead, and because of our little bombing stunt, be more than happy to take it from us, and there would be nothing we could do to stop it. We should make it officially ours to mitigate this likelihood; I doubt they'd be willing to just up and declare war, not yet at least.
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>>5299806
>Mark the Territories and officially expand your empire
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>>5299797
>>Mark the Territories and officially expand your empire
>Ask Hwat to specify on the heated debates
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I’m surprised we can so easily repair everything.
>>5299797
>Mark the Territories and officially expand your empire
>Ask Hwat to specify on the heated debates
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>>5299797
>Mark the Territories and officially expand your empire
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>>5299797
>Deny Bluey's request for a while longer
>Instead ask Bluey to lay a fat sack inside you.
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>>5299797
Expanding our control/influence will put the Esaal’s focus squarely on us, but I’m wondering at the GSA’s interpretation of our expansion. They wouldn’t snub us diplomatically over this, right?
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>>5299797
>Mark the Territories and officially expand your empire
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>>5299867

We exploit resources on an imperial model. They exploit resources on an ancap model. I'm sure if we express a willingness to enter their trade league, agree to mutual non-aggression, and express our xenodia for their friends the space worms, and our desire to get our hands on some sweet widely accepted currency, it will all go fine. Mustache wax and monocles aren't required here, although snazzy suits and a cool sax and cello ensemble shouldn't hurt.
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>>5299797

>Mark the Beacons, Light the Fires, and set watch against the cold dark clutches of entropy and ennui.
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>>5299794

Dude, since when does a Supreme show empty solidarity with anyone, much less philosophers? A Supreme lives solidarity. A Supreme eats the same food cubes as everyone else. A supreme explores the frontier at the bleeding edge of a colonial wave. A Supreme takes the helm of a warship as conflict looms on the horizon. Sympathy is hollow Hwat. Get out there and debate against these offensive philosophers, if that is what needs to be done. Don't just paint your face like a G2 larping to feel a connection to the holovid they're watching. Be Boss Bro.
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>>5299797
>Mark the Territories and officially expand your empire

It's hours, and we took it by driving out an aggressive conqueror and theoretically 'liberating' the indigenous inhabitants. Fly those beacons.
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>>5299916
He already punished the offenders so this isn't empty solidarity. Also we will not legitimize their views by engaging with words when they have resorted to physical violence. If they want to be considered within the arena of ideas they must fight only with their ideas.
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>>5299797
>Mark the Territories and officially expand your empire
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>>5299797
Also, let's create a 'limited permitted breeding program', directed at the 1% of Jaxtians who were only just under the mark and missed out on getting official breeding permits within the Jaxtian species by only a percentage point or two. They sign up, we ship them out and send Bluey 'help' in repopulating these desolated worlds by growing Blue Haazar rather then reds.
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>>5299797
>Mark the Territories and officially expand your empire
We LITERALLY just saw what haplens when you leave it unmarked
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You give the order to set up territory beacons in the Hazaar space- this will officially transmit your civilization's signal to all nearby and passing FTL receivers, letting everyone know that this is indeed yours.

The Hazaar region of space isn't the most rich in the whole galaxy many of its resources have already been exploited and infrastructure is scarce due to the Baalathi blasting everything to pieces, and the general decay after three centuries... But it does contain several habitable worlds, many already with Hazaar on them, and a few that appear to be partially terraformed from the past that could become livable to Jaxtians with not too much effort...

Thinking on the matter again; unlike the Esaal and their secret expansion into Baalathi space; you realize that the Consortium and their spies already know that you are within Hazaar space. Naturally, that information will be avalible to anyone else with a worm connection; which includes the Esaal. Your closest rivals both would already know you are colonizing this star cluster, so you feel that making it public and not even attempting to hide it is the objectively correct choice.

Even better; this gives Hwat the confidence to begin sending in more ships more quickly; fleets of colony ships with Blue Hazaar trained as administrators, caravans, construction ships, and more will begin to travel to the Hazaar space, and exploit it fully. Bluey, your current Overseer of the entire Hazaar star cluster, is also empowered to further the Hegemony's control over the region, and finding ways to consume and control the existing survivor colonies into the greater Hedgemony. Let it all be known; the first aliens to ever threaten the Jaxtians are now under heel. Let's see if the Esaal and Consortium learn from that!
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But now, the only question is; what will happen with the Esaal? You're having a hard time predicting exactly how they'll react.

On the one hand, you never violated your treaty with them, nor did you do anything that went against their own beliefs. You could even argue that the red aliens will be pleased in a strange way; perhaps you've proven your “strength” to them, in the same way your culture has an honorable dueling tradition, so to does theirs have an honorable maritime tradition. But then again, they are a pragmatic species as well- and prone to anger as any other. Given their closeness to the worms; if they are seeking a war they'll use any excuse to do so and the Consortium will not be their first target. If you piss off both of them enough, they may even join forces and devour you whole?

Perhaps depending on how the rest of your reign goes, and perhaps depending on your negotiations with the GSA- you may be in a position to rival these two larger and more powerful star empires; the Esaal on the military front and the Consortium on the industrial front- but never could you compete with both at once. And both have a common enemy- in you.

Thankfully, you are now taking leave of this cluster. ”Fire up the warp drive! We enter suspension in four days time! Finish duties and leave the rest to the AI for self repair and diagnostic!”
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However, you don't quite enter suspension on schedule. While shooting towards the farthest and last star in the Baalathi system- plus the last solar system until you reach the GSA as you travel through a vast stretch of black interstellar space- you receive word that something is wrong with your Migrator Starseer. The information is relied to you through Farro Val.

”Farro, what happened? Is our Hyperdrive functional?”
”Yes, it is but... Deep Currents. Something is wrong.”
”Such as?”
”He says he's starting to feel... bad. Not that he's sick, but that something is “tearing” at him. He's in pain. He mentioned something about a “presence”.”
”Grr... Can't you force his tank up a few fractions of a degree in heat to make him fly a bit faster?”
”He's already well above sweltering for his native habitat sir, any more and he could go into shock- it would take him two weeks to die...”
”Perhaps if we had a frigate it would be easier for him to drive... Alright, scratch that plan. Let me just...”

How very strange. You are aboard a starship with artificial gravity. In the same way your home planet of Jaxt travels with incredible speed around its star but yet you feel as though you are standing still while on the planet's surface; so to should a starship feel rock solid despite it traveling three hundred and sixty odd times the speed of light. But you can almost swear you feel the ship lurch to a stop.

”Farro. Report on the anomaly?”
”...Do you mean the fact we've stopped moving, Sir?”
”No, I mean the giant pair of red tits out of my window.”
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You've apparently been caught in a sort of insidious Hyperspace trap. You have been forced out of Hyperspace and are now within the farthest out solar system once belonging to the Baalathi- but now clearly owned by the Esaal.

”B-B-Battleship?!”
”Quick! Shields up! Scuttle!”
”They must have an Anti-Hyperdrive Blocker here! It's like we fell into a pit!”
”The Esaal don't have access to that technology... The Seekers I know for sure, but the jar heads...?”

The Battleship looms. It truly is an impressive vessel, you'll give them that.

The Battleship is the largest hyperdrive ship class your civilization can currently convince of. In the same way Crusiers are many times more powerful then Frigates, a Battleship is many times more powerful then a Crusier. Even three on one, these are not good odds. The Esaal Battleships appears designed from a hundred campaigns against the Baalathi- your early AI predictions of this crusade had marked the Baalathi homeworld being infested with millions of potential drones- this ship must be designed to destroy infected systems all on its own.

”How is this Battleship capable of stopping our hyperdrive?”
”There must be a worm nearby. But I wouldn't think a ship, even of that size, could generate an Anti-Hyperdrive Blockade powerful enough to stop us...”
”Your Supremacy, what do we do?!”

>Send Fighters to bomb the Battleships weak points
>Full power to shields and evade (no attack next round)
>Full power to weapons (you will attack next round)
>Other? (Write In)
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Given their anti Baalathi tactics, let’s not try a swarm attack.
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>>5300119
Of course, but we need to use the bombers to actually kill them - our cruisers alone will do nothing. We need to find a way to use our numbers and allow our bombers to get close enough to destroy their weak points.
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>>5300102
What's that little station we can see in the background of the picture? A Esaal Warp Beacon, right... and though we wouldn't think a ship, even of that side could generate an Anti-Hyperdrive Blockade powerful enough to stop us... these Warp Beacons might have that capability?

>Full power to shields and evade (no attack next round); HEAD FOR THE WARP BEACON so we can destroy it.

Perhaps if we take out that beacon station, we can destroy it and open an escape route.
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>>5300148
+1
yeah not looking great, we kinda have to gamble on that beacon being important, no way realistically we can do much with weapons or bombers
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>>5300148
+1.
A headon conflict with this thing will only result in heavy damage to us. Our goal is to get outta here, after all.
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Alright, so this is a….well, it’s certainly an idea.
I propose we go in to ram and board.

The idea is that we put full power to shields and weapons, blast electronic warfare and screening chaffe, and close in like drugged up berserkers, using our superior numbers and tractor beams to force the battleship to fight us. We evacuate the points of impact, arm everyone to the teeth, smash into them from multiple angles, depressurising huge areas of their ship, then board what’s left- a rapid lightning strike while they’re stunned to enrage them, before luring them back onto our ships in a feigned retreat, then ambushing and slaughtering them and sweeping up what’s left, while our smaller craft take advantage of the distraction to provide Fire support and bomb the battleship.

It’s an insane plan, but I have several arguments for it.

1. It’s unexpected. The Essal are fanatical militarists, but they don’t seem to be blue sky thinkers, and so they likely have by far the best countermeasures for what they’ve provably faced. The Balaathi seem to deploy many swarming smaller craft backed by a few peer ships- they *don’t* seem to engage in suicide runs and ship-to-ship firefights.

2. It plays to our advantages. We’re smaller, slower, and less armed and armoured, but in terms of crew size our three cruisers combined don’t actually seem physically smaller than their one ship. Additionally, the Jaxtians are very strong and agile for humanoids (as we picked in the first thread), and their three dimensional verticality will be an enormous advantage to us if we fight them on our ships, designed to be manoeuvred through by literal apes. Also, we have Jale Berax and Farro Val, to get us there and then crack skulls.

3. An more intact battleship would be an amazing source of tech, intelligence, prisoners and supplies.

4. It’s terrifying. We have to win here anyways, and the Essal respect strength. A terrifying execution and reputation for going absolutely berserk when our backs our to the wall are in our favour.

5. It’s in character. We’ve seen several times that the Jaxtians espouse high minded ideals, but when pressured often default to brutalising the issue until it goes away. Taking big game about rationality before going on like Imperial Japan seems very in character.

6. It’s a massive propaganda win. Think of the films! The reputation! CIjan’s glory-lust! How better to prove our supremacy than crushing these supposed militarists literally under our heels?

Ergo, I propose, instead of trying to dance about and slowly being chipped away by whatever incredible herd hitting attack they must have to obliterate the Baal, we go in and strike at their heart! May the Hegemony last ten thousand years!

>Full power to shields and evade (no attack next round). Arm everyone we can spare! Deploy the chaffe, ready the electronic warfare, rally the enforcers! We’re closing in! Banzai!
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>>5300157
Do you really want to risk an ramming action with a fucking battleship? We will literally just crash and explode
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(Disclaimer: This anon recognises this is a silly idea, and if it somehow wins and we’re promptly blown out or orbit it’s frankly all of our collective fault. But it is *very* cool.

Also, I think it’s a bad idea to attack the station with a battleship at our backs. That’s like trying to plan an escape route with the bear in the way without preparing to take out the bear first- a good way to get absolutely mauled.)
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(Disclaimer: This is a ridiculous idea and I don’t think it’ll win. But it would be so, so cool.

But taking out the station yet leaving the battleship at our back is a really bad idea though. That thing is heavily armed, and we need time to warm up the warp drive- can’t do that and fight the ship.)

>>5300160
Haha! Worry about getting there first!
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Ah. Whoops.
Sorry, thought the first disclaimer didn’t send for some reason.
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>>5300163
>Haha! Worry about getting there first!
Yeah, that's the main issue here. You're asking to charge directly into the line of fire, headfirst, against a thing far stronger than our ships. In a suicidal attack, by your own admission.
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>>5300166
Alright, in my defence anything we do will get blasted. This really does minimise the time in which we’re being shot at, especially if they have no bloody clue what we’re doing.
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>>5300148
This is probably the only idea we have that doesn't result in a lot of death, +1
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>>5300157
>”Esaal janitors are more heavily armed then our Enforcers for fuck's sake."
In no world does a boarding action go well. We'd need overwhelming numbers and probably other influencing factors to have any hope of success. As it stands, we have no advantages other than their unfamiliarity, and the 3-D Maneuverability of Jaxtians, which is irrelevant if *we* are boarding *them*.
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>>5300182
We'll probably need to use Alpha Marines to be able to fight Essaal on an man-to-man basis. Speaking of 3D Maneuverability though, maybe we should invest more heavily in fighters in the future.
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>>5300182
…….
Yeah, good point.
I refer you to the feigned retreat plan, but I completely forgot that the Essal are military fetishists as well as militarists. Alpha marines are excessive, but still…

Ah well.
*This* close to shock and awe.
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>>5300148
+1
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>>5300102
>>Full power to shields and evade (no attack next round) and get Deep Currents to check for Worm Infestation.
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>>5299866
>>5300100
>Grr... Can't you force his tank up a few fractions of a degree in heat to make him fly a bit faster?”
Holy shit is torturing Migrators to make them fly faster common practice?
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>>5300148
+1
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>>5300102
>Full power to shields, evade, target the warp beacon

As >>5300148 proposed.
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>>5300148
+1
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>>5300102
>Send Fighters to bomb the Warp Beacon
>Full power to shields and evade (no attack next round)
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>>5300102
> Support Plan 5300148 to defend self and target beacon.

Also:
> Open comms. Roleplay Kirk, not Picard. Stilted accent optional.
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"We cannot fight this battleship head on, Sir."
"I know- but what of the rest of the system? There must be another installation; a variation of the warp beacons that can stop our Hyperdrive?"
"Yes! There is a beacon here. It may be modified from the original-"
"Go now! All power to shields and evasion!"

Your ships begin to move as you receive a message from the looming battleship.

"We do not know why the Supreme Ruler has sent you dogs to do his bidding- but know this, your master has sent you to your death. Ready weapons!"

With that, you can see the power fluctuations charging all over that enemy ship- not concentrated into a single powerful cannon but into many, many small weapons. There are almost a thousand photon emission weapons armed on that vessel, firing in unison, designed to take out tiny Baalathi drones and destroy larger ships in death by a thousand cuts. In retrospect, it was probably a good idea not to send the fighters out against it.

"We'll need time- Left Cruiser Captain! We need you to keep the Battleship away from the beacon, else it will destroy our capabilities. You're at full hull integrity- let it focus fire on you!"
"Yes, Admiral Farro!"
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Rolled 86, 78 = 164 (2d100)

With all power to shields; the Left Crusier will block a flat 30% of incoming damage.
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There are now two cruisers remaining.

"We are at the beacon, your highness."
"Your Majesty, if I may..."
"What is it, Jale?"
"We should consider a boarding operation."
"What?!"
"You said yourself the source of the warp-blocking was from a Space Worm, right? Only a powerful Star-Seer could block our ability to enter Hyperspace? Our capabilities to destroy this station outright are reduced with the loss of our Cruiser- and when the Battleship returns, we may lose the Right Crusier as well. This way we can bypass the damage needed to destroy the beacon with our ships and weapons. Esaal military intelligence suggests a stationary beacon or rear base like this will have less of their trained soldiers then a functional battleship. I will lead the charge personally, if it is your wish."
"If you get on that station, we may not have time to extract you before we need to leave."
"That is a risk I am willing to take."

Now you must make a choice. You can either attempt to bomb the beacon and destroy outright- or you can attempt to board it, which has a chance of losing your Alpha friend forever. The battleship will arrive in a single turn either way, likely meaning the destruction of the Right Cruiser as a sacrifice to save the Bite. Which one do you choose, Supreme Ruler?

>Board
>Attack
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>>5300794
>Attack
Did you people forget the part where they said their fucking janitors were better armed than our enforcers? What's stopping them from just locking a door and keeping him stuck?

Blow them up. Use our bombers, damnit.
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>>5300794
>Board
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>>5300794
>Attack
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Can we get deep currents to identify where the worm is, and blast that part?

The issue with boarding without the kind of teleportation we need to do an assassination is obvious, but the issue with blasting is that worms are fully capable of surviving the vacuum of space- it’s the sun that gets them. If we blow the station up, but the worm hides amongst the rubble, we’re still screwed.
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>>5300801
>Attack

Boarding the probe is a suicide mission. The vote is framed to see if we would trade a crewember for Intel with the worm. I personally don't want to fuck up our Alpha Monke Jedi friend even more by killing his dad.
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>>5300830
Yeah, well, even if it *wasn't*, it wouldn't just be a suicide mission, it would completely fail. Boarding a station takes a thousand times more than blasting the thing into pieces.
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>>5300794
>Attack
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>>5300794
>Board
I trust Jale more than than I trust the Cruiser damage dice, we need results and we needed them yesterday. If Jale survives, we get intel, maybe even on their battleship design. If Jale doesn’t, he saves the Supreme Leader.

>>5300798
>>5300830
Did you fuckers forget about our Alpha Marines? We didn’t commit 20 years of genetic alterations for them to be useless.

OOOHHHHRRRAAAAAA!
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>>5300794
>Board
Honor or the void. I put my faith in Jale.
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>>5300794
Deploy the Alpha Marines. They might be better armed but we have Azurium Body Armor.
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>>5300794
>>Board
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>>5300794
>>Board
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Can’t believe it’s alright to assault a station but not a battleship.
>Board
….but looking at the odds? 2d30+25+? Just isn’t good if we need complete destruction and don’t benefit from Deep Currents pointing out our target.
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>>5300794
Could we do:
>Both at once?
That way, double the chances of one of them succeeding. But if not...

>Board

Killing the worm is actually fairly simple, we only actually need to get some of our UV-light emitting drones - commonplace on our ships - aboard and find the worm with one of them.
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>>5301108
Would support both at once, at least with our bombers.

Also, was Kimnan the Mitigator Protector during his stint as Overseer of Starsight? Told ya having a Monke contingent in Starsight would’ve been beneficial.
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>>5300794
>Board
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>>5300794
I vote attack, because remember that Worms could teleport. Even if we manage to get to the worm and wound it, it'll just tele to the battleship. We want the highest probability the worm is killed, which is bombarding the station. Aim for hull-rending attacks that let outside light in, not to mention vaccuum.

>Attack
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>>5300794
>Both at once
To try increasing our odds of getting that worm fucking killed. If we have to focus on one or the other?
>Attack
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Perhaps I should have given the prompt to board the battleship in the first vote since it'd be a little more climactic, but oh well.
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>>5301331
It's what he said, if we try to board the worms will just attack and it'll all be completely pointless.
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You have decided to board the enemy station; and with the Battleship hot on your tail, you don't have much time.

”Wake up the shock troopers from suspension! Get any extra crew geared up!”
”Yes your Majesty!”

It will have to be as a bombing run- a quick drop of the soldiers while your remaining cruisers avoid the battleship in the system. Hegemony ships are a bit faster then Esaal ships- the Esaal only keep up because of their “fusion ejection” engine which wastes fuel and leaves the tell-tale radiation everywhere that mark where they go- eventually, that battleship won't be able to keep up.

Of course- you could just try to outrun them and get out of the Warp-Blocker range, but that would take a decade of sublight speed. No thank you.

”Woah! Look at you! What are they feeding you young guys?”
“Uhh... Grubs...?”
”That must be a fat grub, damn!”

Of course, your shock troopers are Alpha males; several were stored in suspension with easy access to armor and weapons. With top of the line battlesuits and Vetucker DNA, these soldiers have both the strength of a Jaxtian along with the size and endurance of the bovine alien race.

”Ready for drop!”
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The Hegemony Soldiers are untested as of this time- but have powerful weapons and armor to accomplish your goals. Much of their equipment is based on the same as the civilian Enforcer unit- as the police and military are one in the same in the Hegemony. Your species retains some of its wild strength from before they became intelligent; and is naturally very agile from their days swinging through the trees. This will be a great opportunity to test your strength against another alien race.

Your primary weapons are the Slugthrowers; magnetic weapons that fire powerful slugs. They fire slowly, but blast apart basically anything they hit, designed to kill in a single shot. Your shock troopers are equipped with Heavy Sluggers, which are a more powerful, rapid-fire version of the Slugthrower which can also be loaded with alternate ammo types- like grenades or thermal paste canisters.

All of your boarding party is equipped with either Azurium spacesuits, proofed against microasteroid impacts and very heat resistant. Your shock troopers are further protected with heavy plating, and are essentially walking tanks; with the endurance to fight on for hours at a time without being exhausted. Though this does trade off some of the natural Jaxtian mobility in exchange for protection.

Finally; along with the raiding party, come with MKIII drones, also plated with Azurium. These drones have the ability to fire small caliber bullets, electronic interference, deafening sound and blinding light from the ports, small voltage gravity beams, and also a UV light projector- which may be invaluable to killing your target- the space worm Starseer aboard this vessel.

Your historic weapon is the Knife.
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And finally; the Esaal. These are your opponents.

Physically, the Esaal are nothing special, as far as you know. Beyond a fast rate of reproduction and a very high sense of innate morale; they are not as strong or agile as Jaxtians, nor do they have the same stamina as Vetuck- but they do have thick skin and very dense bones and muscles- they may be much tougher then expected. Thankfully, the Esaal's fighting force of Grenadiers seem to be absent on this support platform. Even so, you are certainly outnumbered.

As for their weapons; the Esaal's primary military force is equipped with “Triangle Guns”, which are rapid fire flechette weapons guided by a computer. Unlike Jaxtians, who have personal AI hosted on an AI core in the home or on a PDA at work, the Esaal don't have individual AIs and only use AIs on equipment- and wouldn't you know, they are almost always hosted on a gun.

The Esaal don't seem equipped with heavy armor here at all- their spacesuits granting minimal protection.

Their most common sidearm is an energy weapon called a Concussor, which has multiple firing modes and seems to be used as a multitool as well as a stunning weapon. It has the ability to fire very strong kinetic blasts which can harm objects even when encased in metal.

Finally; the Esaal are also supported by defensive Auto-Turrets, guided by AI. As they are used to fighting many different alien races; these autoturrets are one-size-fits-all and are equipped with high caliber bullets designed to kill intruders on their space vessels.

Their historic weapon is the Sword.
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The boarding actions begin with the first ship-pods landing in the damaged hull of the Space Station.

Even now, the Jaxtian soldiers are in constant communication with the Bite of Batool.

While the battle has only just begun- it's important to give good battlefield advice. Jale's life could be on the line here- all we have now is our current collection of intelligence and information listed above.

If you can correctly identify the main advantage or threat of the Esaal defenders have aboard the station, we will be able to account for it and suffer less losses.

>What is the biggest advantage/threat the Esaal have in this engagement aboard the station?
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Bloody hell, if this is the infamous Essal resistance maybe we should have tried to slam the battleship before one of us got shot out of the sky.

I don’t know how the worm’s star seer powers work, but do you think it’ll be their ability to, through technological and psionic means, be able to predict where we are and where we’ll be going on their ship?
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>>5302045
Azurium armor can't protect against the concussers.
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>>5302045
The biggest advantage the Esaal have is their static defense within the cramped confines of the station. They have auto-turrets, flechette weapons, and large numbers to flood chokepoints. Compared to the more mobile Jaxtians they are better suited to fight in these corridors along with their natural stacked eye which is adapted for fighting in caverns and ravines.

With our superior AI hacking their Auto-Turrents would be a smart idea to turn the tables on them.
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>>5302045
Yeah it's probably the concussors. Concussors don't care about armor (at least in its current form), and everything else they have is inferior. The flechettes are pitifully unlikely to penetrate anything, our AI's are better and more numerous, and provide lots of utility, and even firepower given these guys have no armor. The Autoturrets are unlikely to due much to Azurium, especially if electronic interference from our AIs comes in.

They have time on their side, but I don't think they're really using it that well, going by >>5302038, how they're neglecting the use of venting and locking bulkheads for the opportunity to fight.

It could also be the worm itself, which has been shown to mysteriously disable technology around it like that one that met Eoba (?) in person. If that can disable the drones, and therefore the UV light projectors, making it much harder to kill the worm.
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>>5302072
>The Autoturrets are unlikely to due much to Azurium
The Autoturrets are unlikely to do much due to Azurium

>>5302068
The autoturrets don't matter much at all, you even provided easy countermeasures that we have plainly available
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>>5302045
>The Concussors- perhaps we can arrange for some hacking or shield projection to counter them
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>>5302045
>Concussors will be very effective against the armor of the shocktroopers.
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>>5302045
>Numbers
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>>5302045
>The Concussors- perhaps we can arrange for some hacking or shield projection to counter them
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>>5302045
>What is the biggest advantage/threat the Esaal have in this engagement aboard the station?
Their traditional weapon being a sword rather than a knife. There’s no other reason to bring that fact up
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>>5302045

it is their ability to shapeshift obviously
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>>5302283
Yeah this is gonna be it. Our commander is gonna bring a knife to a sword fight and die
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>>5302045
>The main Essal advantage ironically is in CQC. Their concussors seem like the only handheld weapons that are a real threat to us. The auto turrets look like they pack enough punch to hurt our boarders too. Yes anons have pointed out that we can use our superior electronic warfare to neutralise them, but that doesn't negate the fact that they will hurt if they actually get shots off.

I say, try to engage essal troops in medium range gun battles and where turrets are found supress them with a combination of electronic warfare and grenades. Don't expect our alpha marines to just tank every hit.
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>>5302045
>The concussors seem to be the most obvious direct threat to our Azurium-armoured troops. The biggest obvious weakness in their forces is their weapon/AI integration - if our systems could crack that we could break both their 'Triangle Guns' and Auto-Turrets.
And let's not forget that the Esaal are the defenders and know the station layout.
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>>5302072
Whilst I don't doubt that the worm COULD disable the technology around it, I think to do that it'd have to stop the anti-Hyperspace projection. Which would allow us the withdrawal that we're truly after for free.
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>Concusors
They can pierce metal and put armor is metal based.

Our ai is superior, our physical strength is superior and we shouldn't get into a swordfight unless Jale goes full MUH MONKE HONOR.
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>>5302583
Even if Jale got into a fight, he'd probably beat that guy with his gigantic monke strength
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>>5302590
Right so the armor piercing rounds are their only advantage
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Though isn't shooting guns on a space station really dangerous? Decompress the whole hull?
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>>5302593
Well, there's also the Worm's psychic powers...
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>>5302595
I think that the gene transplant project said that an Alpha 2.0 would be physically stronger than a larval worm so they can probably kill it.
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>>5302593
>>5302594
The concussors fire energy in such a way as to bypass armour and hit stuff inside of it (ie. monkes). They don't actually pierce anything, just ignore it.
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>>5302751
Yes, but if he were to turn off our weapons in the middle of a firefight, they could use the concussers to kill us
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To be entirely honest, i still think the alpha marines concept was a misplay on our part. Cutting into our talent pool for… bigger soldiers? We could already make effectively tougher and stronger using machinery; support weapons, more drone support, superior armour and armaments. The other two were more passive benefits, but at least they benefitted everyone equally,
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>>5302785
Klingons gonna' kling.
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>>5302785
Machinery...eh. You can only put so much machinery on a normal man. And power armor, in reality, is basically a walking metal coffin. Having giant, strong soldiers is always going to help.

"Just give them more stuff" isn't magically gonna make them better
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>>5302822
Yeah, but making more war drones and heavy weapons is something we could already do. Cutting down subversion or expanding our dietary range and increasing our health and lifespan was’t something we could already do.

(And with the right technology… I suspect we couldn’t actually put on more than enough if we applied ourselves.)
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If nothing else, a horde of war drones would make decent shock troops in themselves- fast, fearless, impersonal, extremely distracting, and inherently armoured.
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>>5302828
The other options sucked.

"Herd" mentality is literally a retarded gene. Why the fuck would we want to make our people stupid and docile? We already control their lives in every single conceivable way, we don't need to make them stupider. Expanding our dietary range is completely useless on an national level because it's still something we'd need to plant anyway

The way i see it, Monke Marines are an upgrade. They can probably hold ten times the machinery an normal alpha would.
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>>5302834
Herd mentality wasn’t going to do anything about our intelligence though- it’d just make us more communal, less likely to rebel. It would, ignoring the questionable gene editing ethics, literally save a lot of people time, blood, suffering and treasure on both sides of the fence. Where retardation comes from I’m not sure; the alpha marines, though really did put a hard cap on their maximum intelligence.

Expanding dietary range would have increased the amount of effectively arable land we had, since we could eat more kinds of crops that could thrive in different areas, but also increase our lifespan by another five years and make us healthier.

Alpha marines are an upgrade, but they’re an upgrade we could already simulate by more heavily mechanising our forces with fire support and drone swarms, and it was the only one to come with a downside- in the future, all alphas will have a cap on maximum intelligence in some way or other. The other two didn’t have a downside at all (barring ethics).
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>>5302837
The herd mentality would have made them docile, less independent. Do we really need to turn our populace into children who can't survive five minutes without the government telling them what to do?

The dietary range would have only only barely helped. Arable land is arable land, even if we can't eat certain xeno products, we're still going to eventually be able to produce jaxtian food in it.

The Alpha Marines, like i said, are still an big upgrade. "Just add more mechanics" is stupid unless you want every single one of our marines to be carrying some overly expensive, overly complicated mecha-suit. Bigger soldiers allows them to carry heavy ordnance without that.

Fuck's sake, there are literal psychic worms that turn off technology. The idea that "muh technology" is the solution to everything is retarded.
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>>5302851
You overstate the effect of the "herd mentality" gene, inferring details and extremity of effect beyond what QM stated... But it's also not terribly relevant, because we didn't go that route, so whatever.
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I agree with monkedeathbot anon
The Spess Marines are silly
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>>5302860
Again, the idea that mechanization and drones is the answer to everything in an universe where technology has time and time again failed due to special circumstances, like, i don't know, our greatest enemies having psychic powers that mess with machinery, is pretty retarded
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>>5302851
Firstly, I refer you to the original prompt. I have no idea where you got the whole ‘infantilise our people’ thing, and the dietary range actually sounds a lot more efficient than trying to turn the crops that can live on one planet into crops we can eat, rather than slicing the middle man. (Beyond just our good health and longevity, which is never bad).

I’m not saying the alpha marines are useless, just that they’re less useful once you account for alternatives and opportunity cost. There is a significant minority of population of Aphas who we just cut right out of the elite intellectual talent pool, and bigger + alphas in return for it to fight for us isn’t terrible, but just isn’t great either. It’s only a proportion of our military- the shock troops- we already had alphas, they’re just bigger and brawniest now, designing our entire military to fight one opponent better is excessively paranoid when we could instead be benefiting our entire society, and the worms have shown no capability to shut down our guns- so logically, well supplied infantry support weapons and anti-worm heavy weapon doctrines on top of better mechanisation to best fight everybody, not just the worms, still sounds almost as good as having really brawny shock troops.
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(FIrst of all, bloody hell my type spelling is terrible.
Secondly, I refer you back to Agori- an insanely strong alpha- and his own experiences with modern combat. His strength isn’t useless, but as he pointed out- it’s definitely not a major factor anymore. Not with guns.)
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>>5302893
"Well supplied infantry support" is a meme, and the logic that "just give them more equipment bro, more equipment" is going to solve the situation is Raytheon Investor-tier. Literally all you're doing is making our armies more complicated, requiring much more resources and constant repairs.

To get an normal jaxtian to the strength of an alpha marine, we'd need not only expensive armor that would be easy to break due to the sheer complexity of making an exoskeleton that fits our complicated monke movement, it also has a hard limit in transport, unless you want to bring fucking mechs everywhere
>>5302896
Agori was an self-hating bipolar bitch who literally ripped off a man's arm with the least bit of effort, and bigger soldiers are able to carry bigger ordnance and better armor without needing expensive, complex technology
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>>5302903
I don’t know about you, but when I say ‘infantry support’ I was thinking giving the monkeys machine guns and explosives.

You know. Like our actual infantry IRL have, that shouldn’t necessarily be a great logistical strain for an interstellar empire. That we don’t have, because somewhere along the line in this timeline the military tech diverged wildly.

And why do we need to match them in strength? Wars are not won by muscle in the space age, but by firepower, information, resilience and organisation. Physical strength and size helps, but it’s definitely not the be all end all; and if it was then frankly the alpha marines are still a waste of time because in another two or three generations we’d have Ventucker line troops to provide a lot more of what they have more naturally in great numbers, and the only thing we’ll miss is their ability to climb.

Forget exoskeletons- just put more lead and more drones in the air!

And regarding Agori, he wasn’t always a reliable source, but there’s likely a reason why the elite enforcer squad storming the building with him didn’t prioritise physical brawn, but instead speed and accuracy. Bigger soldiers can carry more, and it is an advantage, but for our entire society is that more of an advantage than just developing more concentrated firepower and letting everybody live longer, more healthily, and without slightly retarding some of us?
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>>5302914
>machine guns and explosives
We already *have* machine guns and explosives. Did you forget that our marines are literally equipped with heavy sluggers? Which are specifically mentioned to be not only rapid-fire but able to be fired with ammo types like grenades or paste canisters?
>And why do we need to match them in strength? Wars are not won by muscle in the space age, but by firepower, information, resilience and organisation.
Retarded idea that is objectively wrong - not only because of psychic shenanigans, but because you need strength to carry the "firepoer" to the frontline in the first place.

Alpha Marines are superior to vetuckers because they possess Jaxtian advantages like their general better mobility sense.
>MORE DRONES MORE DRONES MORE DRONES MORE DRONES
I know you're obsessed with drones, but they are way more unwieldy than an normal soldier who can actually think for himself, carry heavier guns (like the heavy bolter) and can't get hacked/EMP'd/turned off
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You've all correctly identified the threat as being the Concussors. Didn't have time to update right now- in 12 hours or so. Sorry.
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>>5302925
Do you remember Black Company Quest, by Forgotten?

I want machine guns that can put out so much lead as so to be demeaning. I want access to rpgs that can fill a corridor with fire and shrapnel to absolutely punish anyone trying to hide around the corner. A better battle rifle that can fire grenades, until shown otherwise, is not equivalent to either of those.

> Retarded idea that is objectively wrong - not only because of psychic shenanigans, but because you need strength to carry the "firepoer" to the frontline in the first place.

……..o…..k?
Why though? We have spaceships and vehicles to move things, and in the fight itself we could just… do what I said. More support weapons. If we already have light explosives and multiple kinds of battle rifles, we could do it.

As for the Alpha Marines, you know what Ventuckers have? Numbers, because it’s their entire population, not a minor subsect, a herd mentality to keep them in the fight, and nothing better to do because of our speciest, imperialist policies. Unlike our alphas, who did and do, although less so now.

And if the ai vs person thing was true, we wouldn’t entrust enormous power to our ai already. If they can manage *handling our eugenics and societal manipulation*, they can manage a firefight.
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>>5302947
>More support weapons
We already HAVE support weapons. Do you not even read the updates?
>Numbers, because it’s their entire population,
A population of *Xenos*

>And if the ai vs person thing was true, we wouldn’t entrust enormous power to our ai already
Our AI is literally gigantic and runs on our national power source - and even then, it is easily tricked, gets things wrong all the time, and forgets basic-ass facts, as shown time and time again.

Good luck getting something good on those any drone small enough to fit in a hallway.
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>>5302594
I meant our guns
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>>5302950
Like I said, a better battle rifle that can fire grenades is not an equivalent. We can make better. If there is something I’m missing, please tell me instead of taunting me.

And yes. The Ventuckians are xenos. The migratory are xenos and we rely on them for *FTL.*. Bluey is a xenos and they’re one of the most important people in the empire; the Hazaar are xenos and we send them to do our dirty work on inhospitable planets. Being a xenos is no impediment for sending them off to die in our wars- if anything, it’s a benefit!

And they likely can’t rebel, because asides from themselves and their guns… we control the AI to everything else, and definitely won’t need to give it to them.

As for the ai drones, if that’s your standards then our biological soldiers, with fairly regular capabilities of foresight and memory, are incompetent too. We already field war drones. Just put in the infrastructure to get more to do what they already do- distract, scout, screen.
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>>5302960
>Like I said, a better battle rifle that can fire grenades is not an equivalent.
What better? It's automatic, it's powerful, and it uses different ammo types
>Vetuckers are xenos
Yes, and we don't *want* xenos to make up our elite fighting force - if we replace everyone with xenos, you fool, we will die out like the romans. What will jaxtians even do? Once the Swall Join, they'll have intelligence.

Migrators are safe - what would they betray us for? They have no concept nor need of wealth or power, they just swim. Bluey is completely loyal to the point it's an obsession.
>We control the AI
We won't if every part of our society is carried out by xenos.
>Are incompetent too
Flying Drones need extensive space to fly and maneuver, whereas big marines just need to walk. They can't be turned off by psychics, EMP, hacking, and how do you plan on taking an AI in any operation that isn't extra close to our AI's operation range?
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Jale Berax leads the charge onto the enemy station!

The Anti-Warp station is boarded by your soldiers. Pretty quick, it becomes apparent that your heavy shock troopers and their armor is more then a match for the triangle guns and the gun turrets- all of your battlesuits are made with shock-absorbing smart materials that transfer force away from the sight of impact; meaning a bullet converts its kinetic energy into a light squeeze across the whole body.

Your more lightly armored boarders, the non-Alphas, must be more wary of the gun turrets.

In the meanwhile, your Crusiers run away from the battleship- it won't fire on the Anti-Warp station as its the only thing keeping you here, so like a venom, you must let your soldiers do their work.

The Esaal begin putting up a tough fight. Indeed, their weapons are no match for your soldier's armor, but they are clever. As the situation evolves, they become better at defending. Every corridor is hard fought. Despite their inability to pierce your battlesuits, the Esaal flechette weapons have a monomolecular edge, making them insanely sharp. They can scratch even your advanced materials, gum up the gears of your heavy sluggers, and sometimes inhibit the movement of your troops- though no kills are yet confirmed.

“Those razor guns started shooting at my helmet. My viewpoint is so scratched up I can't even see- maybe I could lower the visor...”
”Dumbass! If you open your visor, those blades will scratch up your eyes next. Trust your AI to guide you!”
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It's true that your weapons easily destroy the unarmored Esaal- but even heavy armor wouldn't help against your powerful slug throwers and the slow rate of fire means that the advantages of numbers means that the Esaal can often overcome a firing Alpha with their momentum! Not that they can hurt him when they get to him...

The Esaal are indeed very tough fighters. It is hard to understate how strong their morale is; an almost comical disregard for their own safety and willingness to charge a superior opponent- you thought Hegemonic soldiers were well trained. For a moment, you consider that the Esaal must be bred out or genetically altered their own species to remove their fear response, or perhaps their self preservation instinct, but the Esaal's genetic tampering technology is even less advanced then your own. They must just... be like this.

All over the station; little stories erupt. Heavily armored Jaxtian shock troopers are overwhelmed on mass and shoved out an airlock. After emptying their flechette guns, the Esaal turn them into clubs and charge your troops, trying to bash the weapons from their hands.

However, your clear technological edge with computers also pays off here. Your drones, trying to stay in reserve until needed against the alien worm, can flash and blind an odd Esaal troop here and there, and their gun turrets are soon hacked. However, because your Crusiers are darting in an out of range while being persued by the Battleship, the Esaal get a chance to reclaim their turrets and turn off automatic firing mode, turning them into stationary defenses once again.
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Your have the advantage of mobility and climbing; but the Esaal eyes are almost designed to catch those climbing above in the act. While your military intelligence predicted that the Esaal would be inferior marksmen to your own due to their vertically stacked eyes- but this doesn't seem to be the case. In fact, their vertical binocular vision may actually be better at fighting a bipedal, upright opponent. At the very least, they have an advantage in such an enclosed space. Jaxtians are superior shock troops; but the Esaal are better at absorbing shock. It's like fire and water.

”This place is like a maze!”
”Follow your navigation HUD, Jale.”
”It's not that, it's the gravity that's screwing me up. I expected this base to be like the Jaxtian space stations- vertical gravity with a central microgravity shaft for easy cargo and transport- similar to climbing a great tree. But these Esaal have their gravity sideways; it's like the whole base is a big long corridor with little offshoots. It's like they're crazy people!”
”Jale- Concussor! Watch out!”

You have successfully identified the Concusser to be the biggest threat of the Esaal's arsenal. Usually wielded by the slightly more competant officers, these weapons emit an energy blast capable of getting around your armor- once the Esaal figured this out, they started to use them more and more exclusively- pinning down shock troopers and firing many strong blasts at them in close range to liquefy their bodies inside their suits. It's brutal, but you are still winning the battle. Jale is getting closer and closer to the mission objective of killing that worm!
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Soon enough, Jale comes face to face with the highest ranking Esaal on the station; the Major. Armed with a sword and Concussor- and also some armor, surprisingly. It won't do much good against Jale's magnetic slug-thrower rifle however...

BLAM!

With a powerful blast, the Major is struck in the chest and drops his weapon and falls to his knees. Bleeding purple Esaal blood, he's a goner. But then, impossibly, he begans to rise to his feet, still clutching his sword.

”W-What... There's no way... This gun can kill a Gnarra in one shot, or a Zhark...”
”Jale? Why are you hesitating?! Take him out!”
”The loss of blood pressure alone should have knocked him down. How is he still standing? His organs are barely in place. How?”

Despite how shaky he was on his feet, the Esaal roared with his sword raised.

“You want to end me? Come here! END ME LIKE A MAN!

You can see Jale begin to lower his weapon, and reach for his belt- for his combat knife.

>Order Jale to shoot the Major again
>Allow this to happen
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>>5303238
This feels like a trap...it should be so obvious to shoot him it feels the option is a trick.
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>>5303238
>Order Jale to shoot the Major again - in the head this time.
As much as I'd like to duel this guy if we didn't have so much riding on this; you don't bring a knife to a sword fight. And Jale's a gun-man, anyway, that's how he got his alien-killing reputation - I'm not even sure we've seen him using combat knife before. He's certainly not a Supreme-quality duellist.

What could be causing this, though? Could the 'armour' be a regeneration system of sorts?
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>>5303255
Yeah, I agree, seems weird. Maybe this is more of a flair choice than an optimization one?
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Which one is more likely to get us surprised and killed by a giant worm?

On one hand, our guns are slow firing. Perhaps we empty into him and the worm seizes the moment. On the other hand, perhaps we close in- and the worm seizes the moment.
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>>5303268
The guy has weird veins then I think that it's pumping him with some weird regenerative fluid.
I don't think that trying to kill him again would work, his suit must be disabled first.
>>5303238
>Order Jale to cut the brown part of the Major's suit with his knife, that may be a regenerative fluid reserve
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>>5303292
Alright, this is way overthinking it, and might be the one way we can actually lose this. Intentionally targetting his armor because he didn't immediately die, when Esaal have been described to be more resistant do damage due to their biology is insane and suicidal. Just shoot him.

>>5303238
>Order Jale to shoot the Major again
There's nothing unmanly about shooting him.
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Maybe he could shoot him in the head? It's very exposed. Just blow it up.
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>>5303228
>If we replace everyone with xenos, you fool, we will die out like the romans.
The "Romans fell due to integration" is literal Breitbart ahistorical memery
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>>5303298
It could work, but really I think any other shot on this guy will take him down. It's not like he tanked our first shot and was fine. This guy is barely managing to stand.
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>>5303238
>Order Jale to shoot the Major again
Retard, we're here for the worm. You can honor or the void yourself then.
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>>5303238
>Allow this to happen
Maybe having a high value asset die because of MUH MONKE HONOR will convince them to change that part of their culture.
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>>5303310
Or it will reinforce it because a famous fighter "died honorably" and is to be looked upon in awe and emulated. I'd argue having him do the practical thing would be a more potent force to changing the honor culture by leading by example.
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Sod it. It’s not the major that’s the threat, it’s the worm, and I have no idea what the hell the worm wants us to do here. May as well make it interesting,

>Allow this to happen
>>5303228
Lightly armoured enemies could rush down a corridor and physically manhandle us out an airlock, enough for it to be a pattern. The guns may be automatic, but there’s definitely a place for support weapons and explosives- as we can see, more lead in the air is something we can use.

And the flying drones worked fine here (and we use a similar version to sweep buildings, so tight confines is no obstacle). And yes, they’re not invulnerable. Regular soldiers can be vented or poisoned; that doesn’t make them obsolete either. If we can trade drones for lives, that’s a good deal.

As for the whole replacement stuff- firstly, there was a lot of things that killed the WRE, and foreigners being accepted was fairly low on the list. The ERE worked with foreigners fine for a very long time with success- notably the infamous Vangarian guard- so trusting others with important roles is not some kind of death sentence. We can retain control of the AI by… not giving the keys to anyone else, and we can retain control of the aliens through gene-modding them to suit our needs, on top of the terrifying authoritarian suite we have storied up already from centuries brutally crushing our own people. Swalli are an issue? Make them paranoid or docile or what have you. Etc.

Not only will these aliens be supplements, not full replacements- there will still be Jaxtians non-alpha soldiers, still be Jaxtians researchers, still be Jaxtians explorers and engineers, and alien races being useful supplements- but by your own admission other alien species have capabilities we lack. Failing to utilise our real skill of brutally and ruthlessly forcing people in line and trying to have Jaxtians do everything will put us at a disadvantage to our multi-species rivals due to our own xenophobic paranoia.

Anyways, the real elite military is the navy. Not the infantry. And we have a natural talent for that, so that should be a comfort to you.

I’m not trying to say alpha marines are a detriment. They’re provably working out. I’m just saying that they don’t seem provide a such an amazing or unique benefit (infantry power), given the drawbacks, to justify having taken them over the more civilian and eligitarian, less militaristic and stratifying alternatives.
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>>5303238
>>Allow this to happen
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>>5303238
>Allow this to happen
Dueling culture is goooo
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>>5303320
>Lightly armoured enemies could rush down a corridor and physically manhandle us out an airlock, enough for it to be a pattern.
This "corridor" is literally fucking up Jale. It's an extremely specific scenario - how many times will we be fighting in narrow space stations with no support, extreme time constraints and small knowledge of an enemy who seems to be purpose built to fuck us over?

You keep saying "support weapon" like it means anything. Support weapons are things like machine guns and mortars - we can't use a mortar in a fucking space station, but we already have grenades, and a machine gun and an assault rifle serve the same purpose at close range. Furthermore, the only reason why they manage to do is because these are literally insane martial artists that charge into live fire banzai style
>And the flying drones worked fine here
You mean the ones that were able to temporarily distract a few esaal and failed at their task of hacking the turrets?
>The ERE worked with foreigners fine for a very long time with success-
The Varangian Guard was a small unit - the Roman Empire *literally* fell because an foreign mercenary didn't get paid. Foederatus fucked over rome so much it's not even funny- it was not the only reason, no, but it was an major physical factor because these foreigners kept betraying and invading them.

Replacing everything with aliens will lead to the same fate. It doesn't matter that there'd still be a few token Jaxtians, if 99% of all soldiers are Vetuckers, then our army *belongs* to the Vetuckers.

Alpha Marines were the best choice, and dietary range or sheeple genes were stupid.
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>>5303238
>Order Jale to shoot the Major again

We owe no honor to those outside of the Hegemony. Honor exists for those within the Hegemony to shame each other if they don't uphold its values, not as a tool to be used against us by outsiders.
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>>5303238
>Allow this to happen
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>>5303238
>>Order Jale to shoot the Major again
SHOOT THE FUCKER DEAD. DEATH TO THE XENO SCUM!
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>>5303238
>Order Jale to shoot the Major again
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>>5303346
>Empire *literally* fell because an foreign mercenary didn't get paid.
That's not
>Foreigners bad muh ethnostate
That's Rome screwing itself over by its own corruption for the five billionth time. The Roman empire was multicultural for the cats majority of existence both during it's "good" and "bad times." The generally considered greatest Roman emperor of all time was born in Spain.
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>>5303346
Also Ventuckers aren't foreign mercenaries, they're hegemony subjects.

Segregation species legally like that makes the Hegemony WEAKER not stronger.

It's not "an army that belongs to the Ventuckers" it's "an army that belongs to the Hegemony"

All species within the empire must serve the state equally.
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>>5303435
>The Roman empire was multicultural for the cats majority of existence both during it's "good" and "bad times."
And yet, Legionnaires were, for the majority of the good time, Romans. Foederati were a stupid idea because handing over your army to foreigners is stupid
>>5303436
>they're hegemony subjects.
They're xenos. They're as much citizens as barbarian within their borders were.
>It's not "an army that belongs to the Ventuckers" it's "an army that belongs to the Hegemony"
Jaxtians ARE The Hegemony. The Hegemony is Jaxtian. The Hegemony follow JAXTIAN Ideals - their autistic anti-theism, their innate hatred of nukes to the point they were going to genocide the Swall if they had met them even a few decades later, their obsession with genetics, that's all Jaxtian.

If Jaxtians no longer *own* and control the hegemony, then the hegemony falls.
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>>5303456
Ventuckers aren't foreigners and neither were the myriad of non-Roman citizens the Empire has across it's lifetime.

Associating ethnic origin with citizenship or subjectdom is an arbitrary choice. The only think that makes Ventuckers not Hegemonians is you saying it is.

Separating and isolating them is exactly how the Uchiha tier shit you are talking about happens.

An army that is 80 percent Ventuckers is only an issue if you make being a Ventucker sociopoliticallly matter anymore so than, say fur color.

Ethno national governments are an outlier across history, stop assuming that's how every system is set up. It wasn't true for Rome and depending on how we vote that's not true for the Hegemony.
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>>5303523
Vetuckers are a different species, and it is foolish to assume they work better. Vetuckers need different houses, have different psychological profiles, different capabiltiies, they are by no means Jaxtian.
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>>5303436
I agree with you that Rome didn't fall because of a lack of ethnic purity... But xenos aren't anither ethnicity. They are a fundamentally alien species. You can acculturate or interbreed with another ethnic group in your empire to integrate them, but not another species. It isn't the same.
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>>5303523
Also, the Hegemony is actually set up on ethno-nationalism, to the point that almost all non-Mainlander Jaxtians were genocided, and in hundreds of years there ahs never been a blonde Supreme.
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>>5303527
Not recognizing all species within the Hegemony as equal assets is counterproductive to the optimization goals of the Hegemony. We saw this with the Migrators for our hyperdrive and the Max-Mind project. Xenophobia hurts the Hegemony it doesn't help it .
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>>5303567
Migrators and Max-Mind are STILL not deemed equal. They're tertiary citizens at best.
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>>5303567
>Not recognizing all species within the Hegemony as equal assets is counterproductive to the optimization goals of the Hegemony.
Do i have to repeat it in this thread too? The Hegemony was not, is not, and hopefully never will be, some multicultural universalist state. It is quite literally entirely based on Jaxtian culture and it's values, as set by Akule the Unspeakable
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>>5303567
The Hegemony IS elitism, it IS xenophobia you consortium spy.
You are deing disingenious if you think that all species are equal or that the Hegemony would be better if it treat everyone equally. Would you put a navigator in charge of administrating a ventucker colony? Would you put a Balathi as a teacher for jaxtians? Would you have a hazaar as a Supreme Ruler? Of course not. Every single species in the Hegemony has its place and use according to jaxtians, the rightfully dominant group, you take the jaxtians out of the Hegemony and it will not be the Hegemony, its backbone of totalitarianism, absolutism and pragmatism, AKA the things that define it, are the byproduct of jaxtians, there is no hegemonian, there are only jaxtians and usefull species.
Also, your understanding of history is flawed, overreliance on foreign warriors which leads to said warriors becoming the rulling class is a common trend in history, just look at the turks.
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>>5303611
Also, forgot to ask, anybody here know where's the best author to read to better understand xenophobia and the idea of competition between species or do I have to ask /lit/?
I though of starting with Mein Kampf but jews still have human DNA in them so it doesn't fit with xenophobia.
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>>5303621
What's the best author*
I'm going to sleep.
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>>5303346
I’m not going to keep doing this if you keep moving the goal posts and using hyperbolic claims on me.

The Essal are not built to screw us over, you know full bloody well what I mean by infantry carried support weapons, I do think we should include dedicated machine gunners and sappers in our squads because they’d be very tactically valuable on a space station, I’d remind you of the last century of warfare with regards to guns and melee charges, and the Essal are not martial artists or bullet sponges- just extremely naturally daring- and a dedicated sapper with explosives is not equivalent to giving some infantry grenades.

The drones weren’t tasked with hacking, were specifically held back here for fear of worm, and an expendable scout/ single target reusable flash bang/ bullet sponge/ source of suppressing fire does sound wonderful, thank you.

I refer you to what the others said about the Roman Empire, and even at its height only a portion of its armies were actual legionnaires- a great amount were also foreign auxiliary- and I brought up the Guard in reference to elite units like you said, not an entire army like you did not.

And infantry is not our army. It’s an add on. Our military is space ships.

Xenointegration is a different topic for another day, but I will only argue in good faith.
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MONKES GO BRRRRR!
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>>5303611
Your understanding of the nature of the Hegemony is flaws because the Xenos within the Hegemony are not foreigners. The whole of Ventuck was annexed. Xin and Max are planets within the Hegemony. These aren't citizens or agents of a separate state contracted to work for us, they are people fully under the Hegemony.

Saying "Ventuckers shouldn't be in our army because they are foreigners" is inaccurate. And citing real life as an example is a stretch at best. It would be one thing if we were paying the Esaal or Consortium to do that but a Ventucker in the army is just as valid as a Jataxian. In fact limiting the roles of people in the Hegemony based on species even when said species is better suited for the job, is literally compromising our effectiveness for a counter productive sense of blood loyalty.

If we treated the Migrators the way you are suggesting to treat the Ventuckers, our entire space travel system would be far less effective because Migrator navigation is the backbone of it. We don't BAR monkes from doing it, but Migrators are the cast majority of our navigators and it didn't cause any "foreigner dependacy collapse"
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>>5303724
>The Essal are not built to screw us over
They, quite literally, are. They are almost designed to catch those climbing above and bipedal oponents, as well as having an sense of gravity that fucks up our upwards-climbing primates
>I do think we should include dedicated machine gunners and sappers in our squads
Why the hell would you bring machine gunners and sappers to a bloody space sation? They're *marines*, if you use high-yield explosives they'll literally get vented, and machine guns are too unwieldy to use in such tight corridors when the entire point of machine guns is suppression and cutting down vast swathes of charging opponents in an open field.
>Essal are not martial artists or bullet sponges
They quite literally are both, they are bullet sponges with martial autism
>and I brought up the Guard in reference to elite units like you said
The Marines are the Elite of the Army, whereas Varangians were bodyguards.
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>>5303736
Migrators, you fucking moron, are literally unable to rebel because they don't even have the necessary biological necessities to have things like material wealth and power - the fuck is a fish gonna do with money? Buy gold-encrusted aquarium gravel?

You're a goddamn idiot who's bought into way too much propaganda if you think literal alien species have completely equal psychological processes.

The Hegemony is JAXTIAN. Our values are QUITE LITERALLY, ENTIRELY, COMPLETELY JAXTIAN. Our culture is Jaxtian, our Politics are Jaxtian, EVERYTHING we do is modelled after the Jaxtian People.
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>>5303238
>Allow this to happen
A space opera dueling scene? Why the hell not!

>>5303255
I think this is a flavor choice, not a trap choice, same as Eoba fighting the Worm instead of submitting or Kimnan choosing to blind himself.

We should also take some prisoners for some Esaal-Haazar hybrids.
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>>5303621
Could read stuff on the "Dark Forest" theory of intergalactic relations... Or just grimmer aci-fi and fantasy works that emphasize the danger and incompatible mindsets of the truly alien. If you want to stay in the realm of politics, David Icke and the like would work -- they just take Hitlerian ideas and filter them through the lens of "but what if some or all Jews, and some gentiles, are actually secretly shape-shifting lizard people?" They do this not as a sci-fi premise, but as an actual thing some of the authors in that sphere believe.
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>>5303769
>The Hegemony is JAXTIAN.
The Hegemony is whatever the anons decide it should be via votes. If the anons consistently vote that it should be universalist, that's what it is; If they vote it to be Jaxtian dominated then that's what it is. If they flip flop between the two because the aggregate opinion of the anons is making the Supreme act schizo... well that'll be a thing.
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>>5303320
I generally agree with you, and we should try and include the other genes in the future, especially the socialization one. We’re going to need it for the two front war.
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Voting is currently tied. If no clear majority is reached, the result will be determined randomly.
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>>5303238
>Allow this to happen

Sure, why not.
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>>5303897
Madlad!
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>>5303769
>the fuck is a fish gonna do with money? Buy gold-encrusted aquarium gravel?
Buy food, shelter, fish sex, drugs, laborer fish to do work it doesn't want to. Same thing any rich lifeform would really. You don't need thumbs to conceptualize desire.
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>>5303238
>>Order Jale to shoot the Major again
Put him down quick and stay on mission, like a good militant Monke.
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>>5303921
You’re thinking too much like a mammalian. What purpose would money have to the Baal?
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>>5303921
>what's neural divergence
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Tied again. Lol.
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>>5303960
If Bananas wanted a quick and dirty resolution, the last shoot vote is a 1-poster in comparison to duel’s 2-poster.

I don’t really care who wins btw, I think this is more of a flavor vote than a optimization vote.
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>>5303333 is me on mobile, if it helps.
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>>5303965
Balls to that.
>24Tl23Vx is also me posting from work, I swears it!
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>>5303935
If they're smart enough to build space ships they are smart enough to know money can be exchanged for goods.

They're a culture resolved around chemical acquisition, you think they wouldn't buy Argon ?

Hell we know they have knowledge of economy because the Hazaar bought all their argon up.
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>>5303992
Wonder what they got for all that Argon?
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>>5303992
>They're a culture resolved around chemical acquisition, you think they wouldn't buy Argon ?
>the Hazaar bought all their argon up.
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>>5304008
Right?
Like. What did the Hazaar sell them that was so rad?
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In fact, the ore I think about it, the more I realise not having an explosives and demolitions expert on hand in terrain where our opponent can open and close doors and bulkheads at will and then do horrible things to the people on the other side is a horrifying doctrinal error.

>>5303935
To be honest, I’d love to know how we can reward migratory and Baal when they work for us. Motivating them by literal torture is ridiculously evil and actually will get them to betray us at some point.

We need torture *and* something else.
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Like, Imagine if the Essal Major, instead of being a glory hungry fool, immediately locked down and deactivated every door and bulkhead in the entire station and used security cameras to track where we were, and then flooded those parts with nerve gas/ vented all the air.

Then what?
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>>5304020
I see the politician fights are the anons, cute detail bananas
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>>5304021
I don’t think they sold them anything, I think the Haazar took advantage of their compliant nature in exchange for some baubles or trinkets, and that’s if they traded anything for it.

>>5304023
I mean, we only warm up the water-tank when we need the Mitigators to speed up in an emergency situation, and we don’t really torture the Baal, they simply respond to the gas concentration of Argon in their environment. Best bet for the Baal? We simply need to figure out how we can synthesize and mass produce more Argon to make the Baal chill and productive.

>>5304029
We’d blow them up instead. It isn’t rocket science lad.
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>>5304046
Alright, fair, the Baal really love their argon.
Something nice for the migrators would be good though, especially since we don’t actually know how often we put them in harm’s way OOC.

And yes. We should. And hence why we should have a dedicated sapper on hand, because right now we don’t seem to.
And, for that manner, gunners, medics and techies too. Forgotten’s squad system sounds more reasonable with every engagement.
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>>5303736
Just because we conquered their worlds doesn't mean they are citizens, again, there is no such thing as a hegemonian.
The Ventuckers and the Migrators are to disimiliar in their use and characteristics to use as an example, we've seen very well how the migrators operate and think, they are in the best position for their specie, even the QM said so when we decided to use them as navigators, and even if they weren't, they have the same capability to rebel as a potato, we have jaxtian navigators that coupd replace them if the need arises.
I'm not saying that Ventuckers should be banned from the militaty, I'm saying that it's foolish to create an entire army made out of them, a species that we recently conqered after a proxy unification war and what I can only assume to have been a world wide Cultural Revolution. Creating more than a cuple military units would even be redundant as our largest specie by population is jaxtian, and giving the aliens full on "equality", especially now in the middle of Yuan's memetic war or immediatly after, is a bad idea.
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>>5303809
I'll check those out, thanks.
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>>5304055
Not giving them equality sounds like the exact sort of thing that justifies a memetic war.
And why would we make an only Ventuckain army? Line and assault infantry aren’t an army onto themselves. They’re tough, strong and work together, they’re not fanatical enduring soldier-survivors like the Essal.

I don’t fear us not using the Vetucks, I fear us basically pigeonholing them into only being pioneers, labourers and soldiers and completely ignoring any other potential they have. Something something entire species does not define the individual, and if we let that happen we’ll be very obviously rubbing our oppression into their faces.

And I’m still not convinced they’re somehow dimmer insomuch as they don’t have the advantage of eugenics and the Hegemony is very speciest. They seem perfectly normal to me.
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>>5304023
We once trained Dolphins with hand jobs. The idea that the Migrators aren't capable of sentient complex thought is just IRL bias to the aliens that are more Human-like.

Even Horses have favorite food, you don't think a Migrator wouldn't be incentives by God tier fish food.

Also the obsession with Xenos rebelling is humorous given we have had something like three or four Monke led assaults on the government.
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>>5304060
>I don’t fear us not using the Vetucks, I fear us basically pigeonholing them into only being pioneers, labourers and soldiers and completely ignoring any other potential they have. Something something entire species does not define the individual, and if we let that happen we’ll be very obviously rubbing our oppression into their faces.
Honestly the Hegemony is getting really close to a xeno uprising if they don't chill out a bit. It's one thing to have a boot on the neck for the greater good, but if you get a steel toe while your neighbor get a slipper, it's gonna breed some resentment
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We really are hoofless Tau, aren't we?
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>>5304091
I never said migrators weren’t sapient, though if they weren’t it would make our lives much easier.
They are, and so we treat them (or we should) as they deserve, which should be better than semi regular torture sessions.

I’d just like to know what they really want, beyond their good health and not being tortured.
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Rolled 1 (1d2)

1 = shoot
2 = duel
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>>5304119
A shame, I was hoping for a duel so epic that would make Eoba blush.
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”Jale- Jale! It's a trick! Take him out with your rifle, now!”

*POP*

With a quick shot, Jale fires a second magnetic slug into the head of the Esaal commander- and he falls down dead. No amount of physical resilience can stop that. Still, the fact he ever survived a single shot is already impressive enough.

”...Feels like a shame.”
”What was that?”
”He was a brave warrior. I don't think his sword could have even penetrated my armor- he seemed to want an honorable end.”
”Focus on the mission. The Esaal fought us almost down to the last man- bastards. But we've won this day. The station is almost totally ours now- the drones are on their way to your location. You're right near the control room where the worm is hiding. Destroy it!”

Jale continues onwards.
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“YOU!”
”M-Me?!”
“Not you, you Jaaxi! The Cyte has already marked you for death. You just don't know it yet! It is traveling to you now; slowly, extinguishing every light in its path- Soon your species will be extinct. The Cyte will take your people- but this one will take YOU!”

The worm gets down on all fours, beginning its charge towards Jale- the freight train of a hostile alien. You know how resilient they are- if there was any advice to give Jale at this moment; this would be the time!

"Jale! Shoot it in the..."
>Head!
>Legs!
>Chest!
>Other (Write in)
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>>5304155
>Other
Stomach
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>>5304155
You can't trick me again, bananas - you can't kill this thing normally. Eoba himself said it - no nervous systems. If we can't vent him, trucidate him with our knife - our alphas are supposed to be able to do that, right? Or only the new Alpha+s?
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>>5304155
>Legs
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>Legs

Even if it’s not lethal, it can’t move as fast with a hole in one leg. We don’t need to kill it ourselves, just hold out until backup arrive.
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>>5304155
>Limbs! And then, Stomach!
No mobility means it's going to either slither their way to us, or tele somewhere else - but I trust Jale isn't going to just stand there. Take the knife! Plunge it deep into the worm! RIP AND TEEEAARRRRR
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>>5304201
>RIP AND TEEEAARRRRR
I mean, it IS huge, and that DOES imply it has huge guts.
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>>5304155
>Stomach
>>5304173
Their digestive system is their nervous system.
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>>5304112
I was making a point that a "Ventucker army "wouldn't be an existential threat given the backbone of entire Navy is xeno based.
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>chest
Nervous system in the stomach and all
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>>5304155
>Legs!

Capture time.
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>>5304219
Yes! Thank you! I’ve been trying to tell them, but they keep going on about ‘elite units’ and the like.
Goodness sake.
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>>5304155
>Mouth

Let's hit that interior digestive lining through the most obvious cavity.
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>>5304240
Stoopid, we literally already fought one an shooting his head is pointless
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>>5304241
The only way we killed one in combat before was by getting to it's internal organs through the mouth, stupid.
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>>5304155
>Other (Stomach)
"You carve the inside of the worm up, cutting a hole for your escape before you asphyxiate. It falls to the ground, its last gasps, though surprisingly tough. Probably can't go into shock. Didn't the worms say their stomach lining is the most sensitive parts of themselves? Similar neuron count to a cock tip? Good. Get fucked."

That's the most sensitive, debilitating injury they could be hit with. Shooting them in the head did nothing. Legs would be the second best choice but only to slow it down enough to gut it.
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Anons raise a strong point.
> Stomach
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>>5304247
Weapon description: Heavy Sluggers, which are a more powerful, rapid-fire version of the Slugthrower which can also be loaded with alternate ammo types- like grenades or thermal paste canisters

>We need to get a grenade or thermal paste canister into it's gut - through the mouth, if open?
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>>5304246
>>5304247
It doesn't have a 'stomach' per say, just a long gut the length of the body.
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>>5304155
>legs
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>>5304155
>no UV grenades

>>5304219
>>5304231
Actually, the Alpha population is probably bigger than the Ventuck population, considering the Monkes are in the hundreds of billions compared to the Ventuck millions.
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>>530516
True. With our cultural hatred of the worm you'd think that we'd include the capacity for UV lights on our space suits, especially since we can't see in the dark. Something to have the engies look at. Not sure that a single UV flashlight would roast it though.

>>5304155
>Jump on the stomach bandwagon. Maybe a fun fire a grenade down it's throat and watch it go boom. Can't capture the thing by shooting its legs because then it will still prevent warp jump.

Re: The Marines - The marines trade meat, which we have in abundance as our society is basically at organic carrying capacity, rather than material. It allows us to exploit an additional resource compared to mech suits or drones. This is a significant purpose of the IG, to use meat and cheap weapons and armor rather than trying to do everything with Skiitari Style Steel.
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”Jale! It's stomach is its weak point! Especially the stomach lining, though its skin is very strong...”
”Don't worry, I know exactly what to do!”

Jale stands firm and brave against the oncoming worm, which opens its mouth to swallow him whole- before Jale shoots it down the throat, blasting holes through the back of the creature through its sensitive gut. It falls to the ground, with Jale giving several more follow up shots to its abdomen. While its unlikely Jale would have been killed by the monster given his advanced armor- it still doesn't hurt to keep the monster down until the UV drones can come in and finish the job.

The worm now lies dead- though your computers recognize the apparent slowness of your UV drones in “burning” the worm compared to a real sun. Either way, the primary threat to your ability to access Hyperspace is now gone! Your navigator already perks up- time for extraction!

Jale and the other marines reach an Esaal docking bay and are loaded onto the remaining cruisers- your ships engaging their engines and outrunning the exhausted battleship. Finally, time to leave.
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“Good fight, Jaaxi!” The Rear-Admiral's voice booms on your comms. With you clearly about to leave, his ship is in no position to give chase any more.

“We can see you are formidable warriors- and ruthless. You refused to give my Major his warrior's death- if you couldn't tell, we Esaal don't exactly plan for retirement. We never thought you'd actually have the guts to board a station- perhaps the worms were wrong about you. You trounced us this time- but next time, we'll be ready! Next time Jaaxi!”

And with that, you finally manage to warp out of the system. You have finally left the Baalathi cluster- now controlled by the Esaal, with nothing left between you and your destination. Only the better part of a year's worth of suspension.

”Your Majesty, a small report.”
”Hmm?”
”While we were waiting for Jale and the boarding party, the computer had some spare cycles it used to scan the system- you saw these blue asteroids around that Baalathi star?”
”Yes, what of it? I assumed they were ice.”
”So did we. However, as it turns out, that system is extremely rich in Azurium- those are Azurium rich asteroids. Our intelligence suggests that almost every system with Azurium will have a red giant star, but that system seemed to be the exception. There is more Azurium in that system then in all of Andoen-II, which is our empires entire source of the wonder metal.”
”Hmm... That explains so much. No wonder the Esaal were so secretive about the move here. And if Azurium asteroids are common in this sector of space, it would make sense how the Baalathi got their hands on so much during their colonization wave...”
”Yes, but unfortunately, the Esaal now have control over it. There is more then enough Azurium in that system to heavily armor the entire Esaal space fleet- battleships and all.”
”And just after we pissed them off- or made them like us. I don't know which would be worse...”
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You are now Hwat Dulioan. You are the current acting Supreme Ruler. While Cijan is busy on his crusade across the stars, you are on your homeworld of Jaxt, managing the affairs of the empire.

”Thanks again for letting me burrow your fur-dye for this silly black spot thing we've been doing, my love.”
“Aww, it is no trouble at all, my dear husband. You seem so stressed lately!”
”Well, I AM stressed. I've been thinking about things recently- you know how old our daughter is getting, right? We're going to need to... go on a manhunt soon. You know? I'm just so nervous about the whole thing.”
“Hehe, don't worry about it.”
”Hmm?”
“Like I said- don't worry about silly stuff like that- you're busy managing the whole empire. I'm sure the right man will appear soon enough. Let your wife take care of the home front...”
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Currently, Cijan's reconquista of the Hazaar star system has made huge waves- not just in the cultural and political side of the Hegemony, but the economic as well, which is more your forte. Even now, your meetings with the various heads of state and space trade departments of the Hegemony have been almost exclusively based on what has been getting shipped back and forth between the new star cluster. The Vetuckers only barely joined the Hegemony and already people are looking for the newest novelties...

You meet with the head of Homemaking and Family Affairs department- a rather high position in the Hegemony. She has some new things to show you.

”Oh- oh wow! These sheets are phenomenal! So soft! My wife would love these...”
Every women loves them, darling. They're a real luxury- fibers grown and spun on only one planet in the Hazaar home systems. Mostly an agricultural world.”
”I see. But they're too limited to be given out regularly. Possibly only for the elites on Jaxt- can't just charge a high DM markup for a luxury good like this- it would cause too much capitalist sentiment...”
“That's actually what I came here for, your Grace.”
”Hmm?”
“You see, the fabrics are all made by Red Hazaar on this planet- mostly because of how grueling the work is, and the amount they can produce is limited. But if the immigration department had a few million Green Hazaar produced and sent to that world- they could create a lot more. It'd allow this luxury to grace many more Jaxtian households- a further incentive to loyal and hardworking citizens.”
”...I see. I'll keep that in mind.”

While a few million Blue Hazaar have been transferred from Xin already to serve as the administrators and Hegemony loyalists in the newly formed Hazaar vassal state, other forms of immigration have been limited to allow the colonies time to grow and adjust to Hegemonic control. However, the idea of bringing over more loyal and productive Green Hazaar to work on this rare luxury fabric-planet seems like a great way to get more value out of both the Vetuck and Hazaar populations of the Hegemony at the same time. What do you think?

>Order Green Hazaar to be made and shipped to this new planet
>Perhaps not
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>>5305318
>Order Green Hazaar to be made and shipped to this new planet
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>Order Green Hazaar to be made and shipped to this new planet

What’s the point in being a horrible fascist empire if we can’t enjoy the fruits of slave labour?

>>5305314
…..and in our defence, being shot in the head after refusing to wear a helmet is an extremely warrior death. Not that it would have helped him.
Wonder what would have happened if we knifed him…
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>>5305340
take off the name faggot
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>>5305016
…..that’s a good point.

Millions of Vetuck (and/or Green Hazaar) should be more than enough to form a solid infantry corp, but if we suddenly desperately need an absolute swathe of infantry I’ll likely eat my words.
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>>5305340
My guess, if we agreed to the sword vs knife duel?
Jale will still kill the Major, but he'll lose his armor's integrity. Then when we fight the worm, he'll be more vulnerable, since his armor is broken in places. Depending on how it goes, we'll be less likely to have an intact Jale Berax back on our ship.

And oh
>>5305318
>Order Green Haazar to be made and shipped
Just not so many at once. Trickle em at first, see how the Reds react, and then increase production/immigration over time until that planet's population about 1/3 greens.
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>>5305314
Knew we should have checked out the question mark space.

>>5305318
>Order Green Hazaar to be made and shipped to this new planet
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>>5305318
>Offer Green Hazzard the choice to immigrate to the Vassal colonies
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>>5305318
>Perhaps not

No more hazaar created. That's the solution.
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>>5305318
>Perhaps not
>>5305340
>Wonder what would have happened if we knifed him…
we would have been more respected by the essal
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>>5305318
>Order Green Hazaar to be made and shipped to this new planet
We need more loyal population in the system, more economic activity, and a population that can be militarized when fighting the Esaal. Undoubtedly, we cannot let the Esaal keep the Baal cluster, so we will have to fight them for it within this generation.

>>5305314
>could’ve gotten a relationship buff with the duel
First the unnecessary civilian bombing ruining our relations, and now this. These missed optimization opportunities are really starting to grate on me.
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>>5305318
>Order Green Hazaar to be made and shipped to this new planet

There should be as many green Haazar as there are reds, and as many if not more Blue Haazar as well.
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>>5305318
>Order Green Hazaar to be made and shipped to this new planet
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>>5305347
Firstly, rude.
Secondly, why? It’s useful.
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>>5305537
>Order Green Hazaar to be made and shipped to this new planet

>>5305537
>Why
Because it goes against, not just board culture, but the culture of this entire website? Because it outs you as an obnoxious newfag?

>It's useful
Are you the QM? No? Then it isn't useful. I agree with that other guy: take the name off and never put it back on.
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>>5305560
Just like, close your eyes

But really, the only time namefags should be denied is when they're doing bad stuff or has a reputation of doing bad stuff etc. But here is not the time or place to discuss this, shelve this for another time. Here we're (blue) chimping out.
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Hmmm....it seems like an good option,but do we really need to create more hazaar? Hazaar suck. They're disgusting.
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>>5305616
Only the red ones are really bad.
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>>5305618
They're still disgusting parasite bugmen.
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You have decided to begin to build the labor force of the Hazaar vassal systems- and this time, with Green Hazaar. This direct infusion of new citizens, some Green Hazaar already living on Xin and Vetuck II and some who will be newly bred among the Vetuckers, will be a large boost to the planet's farming output- and in turn, to the luxury returning to the homeworld.

Of course, it isn't really about sheets. It's about the precedent. As the Hazaar systems grow and begin to output useful goods and taxes for the empire- the transfer of useful citizens around them will be of the upmost importance. You tell Bluey the news, and he makes it his mission to begin settling these new Green Hazaar laborers on the planet- and spreading the news to the Red Hazaar who already live there.

”This planet will become home to many billion Green Hazaar- they will be the ones working the land to produce these special fibers your planet is known for. You will teach them your methods, along with Hegemonic improvements to your inferior technology.”
”If the Green Hazaar are working the fields and living on the farmlands; where will we Reds live? What will we do?”
”You will leave the farmlands in droves- you will be crammed into the cities. You will become the servants, craftsmen, social workers of the Green Hazaar. You will build the infrastructure and support network. The Green Hazaar will be rewarded as the primary producers of this planet; you will be the secondaries who keep it all running.”
”B- But I bought this farmland with my own money, before the Baalathi even attacked. I restored its soil to its fertile state now! How can-”
”Shut up you little knifecock! You are a conquered race, a conquered people! You are a maggot! You are and own nothing! Twice the Hegemony almost exterminated your filthy kind, and both times they pardoned you. Every day you live is a blessing, a gift you don't deserve! The Hegemony owns you- the Jaxtians own your very life! You will shovel sewage, you will live in the most squalid of conditions, and you will worship them for allowing your pitiful existence to continue yet one second longer!”
“O-Okay! Please don't hurt me!”
”Worthless bug. I will have you assigned the most loathsome little cupboard I can find in the new settlement. I'll make sure you have a window view however- overlooking your precious little farm- and you can see the Green Hazaar who have come to replace you every single day! Mwahaha!”
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Over the next few months- things are going swimmingly. With Cijan quietly flying through hyperspace, you've been on your own for the time- and you've been making great strides.

It isn't just the projects you're undertaking now- its everything to do with the Reconqusita. Despite how early it is in the process, the Hazaar vassal state essentially just doubled the size of your empire. Newly found habitable and minable worlds- though many of those worlds have already been stripped, a few are heavily polluted from the Hazaars own economic endeavors from many years ago- regardless, just the boon of territory and population increase is going to have massive impacts down the line.

Already, you can see it starting. The massive increases of profit. While there are some strong critics, especially in the State Philosopher circles, your new plan of taxation and wealth concentration is going to change everything for the Hegemony!

In the Hegemony, Jaxtian citizens aren't exactly “taxed”. This is because everything they buy, work, or do is already weighed and calculated to generate profit for the state. Since the state controls all industry, and knows how much everything costs to produce and supply to everyone, it sets prices accordingly to generate profit. Workers are paid slightly less in disposable income for their time then their time at work produces for the Hegemony- with further reductions based on the cost of schooling, training, building and maintaining infrastructure, and so on. Money is just a shorthand for this “extra value”, and is an incredibly powerful tool that, you often feel, has been underutilized in the Hegemony's past.

Of course, Jaxtian citizens are used to this system and it works well. But Hazaar citizens are newly added, and have different ideas and behaviors and you can work that accordingly. Due to the Hazaar's innate sense of greed and desire to hoard wealth, their long lifespans, and their lack of traditional forms of spending from family and so on; you already know that the Hazaar will be skinflints of the highest degree. The solution is simple- taxes! Drain the Hazaar workers at a much higher rate then Jaxtians- or better yet, put digital codes that sets their money to expire so they can't even hoard it. Perfect!

“My lord.”
”Oh great, it's Kerjak again. Come to complain about how my new money market is “capitalist perversion”?”
“...Err.. no. Though I still strongly advise against it- the value of currency without work or material benefit is empty- it is merely an inflator...”
”You are not an economist, Kerjak. You are not qualified to speak on this. What do you want?”
“It's about your Homemaker & Family Department head- that woman named Aleed. I have reason to believe she is a Consortium spy!”
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>>5305318
>Order Green Hazaar to be made and shipped to this new planet

>>5305537
How exactly is it useful?
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”This is absurd, you have no proof of this accusation, Kerjak.”
“No! It is true! She is a spy! She is manipulating you to send more manpower and resources to Hazaar space- making it more ripe for the picking!”
”What!? What ever gave you that idea!”
“You have to listen to reason my lord- her position is very high in the Hegemony but seldom watched over by Enforcers and central control- it's all domestic, but she is abusing it to get you to perform actions in space! It's perfect cover- and you are falling for it!”
”Bite your tongue, Kerjak.”
“No! It's unacceptable! Look at her face- she has a damn man muzzle!”
”How... How dare you. This muzzle is why I never qualified for a breeding license. I'll never have children. You insensitive jerk!”
“Pfft- no, it's to avoid having to invent a new genetic test result and sneak it into the AI network! The Consortium probably doesn't even have any female Jaxtian DNA to work with- hence shoddy craftsmenship on the skin suit! Shove her in a medical scanner, you will see!”
”I will hear no more of this. I will not dignify your request by giving her a test either. You are out of line.”
“Dammit! I knew this was going to happen! Just because you signed on with the damn Market-Cultists and are in their wheelhouse- you've got the fucking marks on your head too! Your own motivations are suspect!”
”I am the Supreme Ruler! You will not speak to me in such a way!”
“You are NOT the Supreme Ruler!”
"YOU DARE-"
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Before you can even react, Kerjak has gotten Aleed around the neck, his black knife up and against her skin. So many State Philosphers are carrying them now, your security measures have slacked around it- you knew this was going to bite you in the ass some day...

“I'll prove it! I'll prove what I know!” He begins pushing into her face, bleed suddenly oozing forth as he cuts her skin away from her skull.

She screams.

”Oh m- my god! Please help! Hwat! Anyone please help!”
”Enforcers!”

Truth be told, you could disarm this man yourself, if you needed. But a knife is still a knife, and given his questionable mental state, you might be risking your own life to save this woman. The Enforcers will be here in seconds- but still, her face being torn- poor girl. She wasn't much of a looker to begin with, and a nasty scar won't help.

...You can't just stand here and watch her get mutilated like this, can you?! What are you going to do?

>Intervene
>Wait
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>>5305650
>Wait. Throw them both in medical scanners, regardless, once enforcers arrive.
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>>5305388
Wouldn't have changed anything. We might have found out earlier if it was an asteroid field, but we would just take damage, and knowing that it's azurium 1 turn earlier wouldn't have magically made us able to take the system from the Esaal. We also would have risked an encounter with the Battleship.

>>5305652
+1
Witch hunts aren't really all that bad when we can conclusively observe who is a spy with a medical scanner, we won't really be harming innocents.
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>>5305648
It helps me hold conversations over multiple days, since I can easily go and check what I said and what others said in return. It also means I can steer well clear of vote-inflation scandals, especially since my IP changes semi regularly (I think the site just does that naturally).

If it actually upsets people though, I’ll drop it. My writing voice is fairly distinctive on its own.

>>5305650
>Wait
If disaster strikes and Hwat is actually taken out of commission, that’d be really bad. We can take both of these people into custody and examine them far more humanely, and if the scarring is an issue we can fix it with our sci fi plastic surgery (….at least, I think we have that.)

We don’t need to worry about reputation overmuch anyhow, hopefully, being just a regent.
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>>5305650
>Wait. Prepare to defend ourselves if needed but wait. Throw them in medical scanners once the enforcers arrive.
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>>5305650
Are you people retarded? You do know we have literal medical scanners, right? This guy isn't just paranoid, he's straight up mentally impaired.

We have literal fucking medical scanners, i mean come the fuck on.
>>5305652
+1, just try to talk the guy down. If we try to intervene, he'll just murder here. We also have extensive medical power, so she can just get fixed up anyway.
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Also, can i add how impossibly based Bluey is? He *really* doesn't like the Red Hazaar.
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>>5305663
...you are calling people retarded, when the majority vote so far has been what you are voting for?

also, to be fair to the guy, we did just say to him that we wouldn't medical scan her, making him desperate to out what he sees as a spy
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>>5305665
I'm not calling the voters retarded, i'm calling the monkes retarded. Kerjak for acting like an schizophrenic and Hwat for not just giving her a stupid test.
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>>5305663
Bluey’s a bigoted and unstable enforcer, is what he is. He’s a short tempered and abusive monster, but he’s a monster on our side.

Oddly, he’s also the first hybrid Hazaar ever. Thank goodness the rest seem to have grown up more stable, otherwise the rate we commit horrid warcrimes on our own people would be a lot higher.
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>>5305667
Oh, I see, continue on
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>>5305668
>Bluey’s a bigoted and unstable enforcer
>implying that's a bad thing with the H*zaar
Bluey is actually the best hybrid because he was raised by Talacent, aka Mr.Goody Two Shoes.

He's the only Hazaar we're able to fully and completely trust on ruling the star cluster. Any other hazaar could have very well just defected to the Consortium the moment we turned our backs - but not Bluey, because he the only thing he likes more than oppressing Hazaar is being oppressed by monkeys.
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>>5305670
When you think about it, I'm surprised we don't have more Hazaar collaborators. They are super selfish, and should in theory be fully willing to sell out their race for personal gain.
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>>5305672
Because they would be just as willing to sell out *our* race for personal gain? Bluey is special because he not only hates the Hazaar enough to sell them out, but he loves Monkes enough that he'll never be at risk of selling us out.
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>>5305677
Perhaps we should try what we did with Bluey to a small number of Hazaar: have them grow up in Jaxtian society and supervision. Maybe we can get some more loyal Hazaar.
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>>5305680
If we find another Talacent-quality parent who will love and treat their child equally even if they’re an alien, and the means to prevent our societal xenophobia bleeding into them, that sounds like a good idea.
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>>5305650
>Wait. Throw them both in medical scanners, regardless, once enforcers arrive.
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>>5305684
Well, the thing about Bluey, was that his situation was special - not just because of Talacent, but because he was saved solely by Talacent in a situation where the Hazaar, by all meaning, could have been completely exterminated, and we would have been completely right to do so.

Nowadays, an Hazaar would just look at our society and see centuries of Jaxtian domination without really knowing why.

I mean, you do know that *Yuan* was raised by a Hazaar, right? And not even a bad family - an family that has already had supremes in the past.
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>>5305628
That's just your anthro bias acting up. I am sure from the pov of a fish, human sexual reproduction is disgusting and violent.
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>>5305646
I fucking told you guys Bluey was too unstable to run a government. The man is like one weekend away from torturing subjects to death for fun.
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>>5305737
They are literal chestbursters that drug their hosts
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A question, how are we making these green Hazaar? Are we compensating Ventuck for having sex with bug people? Or are we using Bluey style rape camps?
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>>5305628
Don't let your visceral, emotional get in the way of rational decision-making. Though there ARE rational reasons to not support the green hazaar program, too...

>>5305646
Like, uh, this.

>>5305650
>Intervene
No uppity philsopher can be allowed to insilt the Supreme, or even Acting Supreme, without brutal consequences
>But scan her afterwards
May as well.
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>>5305680
Bluey isn't really loyal to the Hegemony, he is loyal to his own internalized self hatred. That manifests as abusing Hazaar and taking actions that satisfy his feelings even if they are counter intuitive to our goals or even against them.
He ran the Hazaar rape camps under our noses, including in territory we we signed a treaty not to go into . He risked an international incident to satisfy his own warped need for approval.

And he's using the Hazaar space as an uncle ruckus playground instead of a vital engine of the empire.

We are okay with it because his clear mental health issues have had benefits for the Hegemony but it is only a matter of time before he does something that screws us over.
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>>5305692
Yuan was also raised on what was effectively a plantation and fed constant propaganda about how he was a lesser being while he people were used as slave labor from birth. That's not a recipe for a well adjusted person
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>>5305741

Let's look at Human sex from the pov of a species that externally fertilizes
>When aroused their minds go into an altered state where they value sex over better judgement and then they stab their reproductive fluid directly into their partners
Any type of sexual reproduction seems gross froma different perspective .

The "drugging" was even explicitly said to be the same thing that drive sexual desire and pleasure in monkes, just backloaded instead of front loading.
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>>5305756
Heck, Yuan himself pointee this out last thread, didn't he? Hazaar sex is violent, but brief and eglitarian. Monke sex invovles, as he sees it, a pernanently-oppressed underclass (women) who are constantly being abused and coerced by their partner or the state... Such as we saw with Kima.
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>>5305756
The difference is that you don't have literal rape darts that they shoot from their body that impregnate anyone they hit with tumors that burst out of their chest.

Furthermore, Hazaar reproduction (and it's lack of children) is what leads to the lack of families which turns them into complte individualist.
>>5305766
>being abused and coerced by their partner or the state
Kima isn't being abused and coerced because she's a woman, she's being abused and coerced because the Hegemony is an totalitarian states that doesn't belive in rights

And before you say it, Yuan *literally agrees with this*. He agrees with the Hegemony's totalitarian, despotic behaviour - literally all he doesn't like is Jaxtians. That's it. If it was an vetucker woman being manipulated, it would be fine, if it was a swall woman it would be fine, if it was a hazaar it would be fine, all he cares is that the monkes did it so it must be bad because he hates jaxtians.
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>>5305769
>Kima isn't being abused and coerced because she's a woman
True, she's being abused and coerced in specific, gender-related ways because she is a woman. Or, well, a female monke.

>Yuan is a hypocrite
Yes, quite probably, but that doesn't render his points moot, let alone invalidate the idea tht other species finding one another's reproductive methdos gross is just a matter of subjectivity, which is what we were actually discussing.
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>>5305790
>True, she's being abused and coerced in specific, gender-related ways because she is a woman.
No, because she has an specific gene that is extremely valuable
>Yes, quite probably, but that doesn't render his points moot, let alone invalidate the idea tht other species finding one another's reproductive methdos gross is just a matter of subjectivity
No, it's not the same thing. Hazaar are literally paraistic, they have an entire subspecies dedicated solely to rape. They are disgusting individualists without family.
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>>5305652
>Wait. Throw them both in medical scanners, regardless, once enforcers arrive.
This

I'm actually suspicious now - perhaps she might not naturally qualify for a breeding license - but that WOULD NOT MATTER BECAUSE SHE IS FEMALE. The Indigo Child program is designed to make use of vacant wombs, and she's certainly of high enough status to have qualified for the Indigo Child program if she actually wanted a child; allowing her the option of carrying and delivering a baby without passing on any perceived flaw in her own genetics. That she hasn't, but is using this 'genetic defect' as an excuse is suspicious in itself.
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>>5305652
+1
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>>5305646
this is what I feared, that we would piss off the hazaar. it will lead to rebellion soon.
bluey has too much personal hatred for the hazaar to do his job properly, I suggest he get demoted.

>>5305649
>Intervene. Throw them both in medical scanners, regardless, once enforcers arrive. make a point of telling kerjak that they will both be scanned and he will be executed if wrong. Kill him if he doesn't back off.
>Execute the accuser if he is wrong
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>>5305769
The Hegemony is abusive and dictatorial but it's an UNEVEN dictatorship.
Everyone is oppressed but women and minorities more so. Yuan is correct in noting the Jataxian culture is sexist
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>>5305809
>Hazaar are literally paraistic,
So are human embryos. Hazaar aren't morally wrong because of the way their gentials work.

Fuck, the Monkes have multiple state sanctioned rape labs.
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>>5305809
All women take the oath of gender based subservience, that's not just on her for her special genes.

Everyone in the Hegemony is under the Supreme and the government but women explicitly have another layer of submission added on.
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>>5305841
I told anons this several times, I wanted him sacced when he did the illegal rape camps. But anons rally got too imersed in the whole "FUCK XENOS" monkepol thing.
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>>5305842
>>5305847
>Everyone is oppressed but women and minorities more so.
Did you forget the part where the guy interested in kima got gaslighted into thinking he was a loser and the AI tricked Kima into thinking he was a sleaze?
>>5305845
>So are human embryos
Literal subhuman train of thought. That's not how parasites work. Hazaar are parasites because they are literally biologically made for shooting people with their things. They are called 'soldiers' for a reason.
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>>5305652
+1
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>>5305873
Shooting people with your thing and making a lifeform that feeds off the host is how humans reproduce as well.

The only major functional difference is that Hazaar don't have a functional receptive hole, but the principal is pretty much the same.
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>>5305873
The AI manipulates everyone, but the Hegemony explicitly bars women from higher offices
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>>5305650
>Intervene
YOU FOOL! Did you not think I already knew? I was using her as my stooge, to give the Consortium false information so as to confuse them for our inevitable counterespionage and eventual invasion! Now she’s useless to the Hegemony, YOU IDIOT!

(Just enough time for the Enforcers to come in and blow his brains out.)

>Give her a license to have indigo children as recompense
Make it a little Hwat, so that Kima could spoil the fucker when she’s the Supreme’s wife.
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>>5305809
>no it's not subjective
>brings up species-specific gut reaction
>brings up the morality of rape in relation to Hazaar... As an attempt to prove they are inherently morally inferior to a species whose oppresive government made a Supreme candidate rape a woman rather than just taking a sample of her genes by less violent means and cloning her

Okay.
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>>5305931
>inb4 "but humans don't do it as a function of their soldier class!"
Thebhistory of war rape suggests otherwise.

>inb4 "byt monke don't!"
Jaxtians have government sanction rape-camps, rape as a method of testing ruthless utilitarianism in their leadership, their Supreme dueled and cucked a guy in their first contact with Vetuck, and they genocided most of their own species ethnic groups in a massive race-war, so I bet they had war rape.
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>>5305931
>Shooting people with your thing and making a lifeform that feeds off the host is how humans reproduce as well.
No it's not, that's a retarded way of looking at it. This would be like if you could rocket propel your dick at women to get them 100% pregnant all the time
>>5305975
>Thebhistory of war rape suggests otherwise.
War rape isn't done for reproduction, it is by no means the purpose.
>Jaxtians have government sanction rape-camps
Hazaar rape camps.
> rape as a method of testing ruthless utilitarianism
Special situation, the woman had an special gene but didn't want to have sex because she was scared of men.
>their Supreme dueled and cucked a guy in their first contact with Vetuck
Eoba was an weirdo and cijan himself said that he was a weirdo for fucking alien women.
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>>5305977
Yo honestly think that's the only time ten Hegemony forced someone to breed who didn't want to.

Also those rape camps were used by the Jataxian government, hell the HAZAAR probably counted as getting raped to, since I'm pretty sure Bluey didn't give them a choice in the matter
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>>5305977
One of several motives for war rape is as a method of genocide. You rape the people of group A so that their children will no longer be of group A.

>Systematic rape is often used as a weapon of war in 'ethnic cleansing'. More than 20,000 Muslim girls and women have been raped in Bosnia since fighting began in April 1992, according to a European Community fact-finding team. Teenage girls have been a particular target in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia, according to The State of the World's Children 1996 report. The report also says that impregnated girls have been forced to bear 'the enemy's' child.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180320212701/https://www.unicef.org/sowc96pk/sexviol.htm
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>>5305977
>rocket phallus
So your moral objection to the Hazaar soldiers is that they're too virile, too efficient? The process is very much the same otherwise.

>War rape is done for other reasons
Yes, and? The activity is similar. The end result is similar. That Hazaar hope their war-rape produces offspring, and then it does... How does this makenthem morally worse than primates who rape in war, prpduce offspring, and then are indifferent to those offspring? Plus, what >>5305983 said, and every jnstance of taking catouve war-concubines or slave-brides. Wanna' bey the Hegemony's history has many such cases?


>Hazaar rape camps
Are also bad, yes. That's a whataboutism, though. Or do you mean that it absolves the ahaxtian because they use Hazaar for the rape camps which Jaxtian officials sanction and aid, and now are probably EXPANDING on Vetuck, all to serve monke economics?

>Special circumstances
We had the method to steal or buy her DNA, or to artificially inseminate her. Jaxtian officials chose rape as a moral test of fortitude for Hwat, like when they tried to get her daughter to kill an obedient and loyal cop.
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>>5305933
The test for Supreme Rulers is overseen by a woman, also
>your Homemaker & Family Department head- that woman named Aleed
Let's also not forget that Eoba II had a female as an option for an overseer.
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>>5305993
The Hegemony heavily DISCOURAGES females from ascending, albeit less so now, and has been shown to artificially stymie or cap their progress on career tracks. It prioritizes them for matters of reproduction and child-rearing. It hasn't yet been stated in canon if it is entirely justified in doing so -- it may be -- but we KNOW it does so.
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>>5305988
>So your moral objection to the Hazaar soldiers is that they're too virile, too efficient?
My objections is that they're a race literally biologically predisposed to rape. They're disgusting parasites by nature.
>Yes, and? The activity is similar.
It doesn't *matter* that it's similar. The point is that it's not biologically the point - your entire arugment is that the disgusting mpreg bug are "akchsyually okay and we're the same as them"
>Are also bad, yes
Yes, but there are no Jaxtian rape camps - so, unlike what Yuan said, jaxtian culture is *not* built around cucking and raping.
>We had the method to steal or buy her DNA
We also had the opportunity to do the same with Radjo. We didn't because it's an clear oversight that doesn't really make any sense in-universe.
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>>5305647
>Since the state controls all industry, and knows how much everything costs to produce and supply to everyone, it sets prices accordingly to generate profit.
That’s fucking funny, because that would never happen in practice under socialism.

This is how Monke Socialism is meant to be practiced!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RRdIltdDE4A

>>5305668
>implying Yuan is stable and wouldn’t commit horrid war crime against the people

>>5305684
>>5305751
Actually, I think Bluey’s socialization with the Red Hazzar is what led to his self-hatred and love of Monke. The Red Hazzar weren’t the most social or altruistic to other Red Hazzar originally, they must have treated Bluey as a subhuman leper being the sole Blue Haazar they ever encountered. It would fuck up any teenager mentally.

>>5305790
I don’t know anon, listening an insane monster just because you agree with some of his point is what directly led to the worst human disasters in the 21st century. It would be like listening to a anti-Jaxian Ignar, but this time with billions more dead.

>>5305842
>>5305847
Have you ever considered that women are fundamentally different to men, and that the Enlightenment viewpoint on sex was just plain wrong?

>>5305845
>human embryos are literally parasitic
That’s just a retarded way at looking at reproduction.
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>>5306014
>they must have treated Bluey
They actually did, since Bluey was raised along with the Red Hazaar. It was either that or locking him up in a chastity cage (we didn't have those as standard at the time) for his entire life and making him be the literal only free alien within jaxtian soceity.
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>>5305999
Checked
>the Hegemony explicitly bars women from higher offices
>The Hegemony heavily DISCOURAGES females from ascending, albeit less so now,
Moving the goalpost I see.
>and has been shown to artificially stymie or cap their progress on career tracks
There is a cultural barrier that keeps females from being Supreme Leaders, other than that I repeat
>One of the overseers for the Supreme Ruler test is a female
>The head of an entire department is a female
>We had a female as an overseer option a couple of decades ago
For all the monke psychosis, there isn't any sort of institutionalised abuse for jaxtian females, their main use is the propagation of the specie, yes, but it's not Handmaiden's Tale, it's the Hegemony.
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>>5306029
I think socialization played a bigger part in it. First Blue Hazzar, with ingrained values of community, shunned and reviled by the Red Hazzars? Talacent was a kind man, but I think he unintentionally traumatized Bluey by letting the Red Hazzar socialize him.
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>>5306056
Ehh...i think a large part of it is also that bluey grew up seeing the red hazaar as they naturally are, selfish, greedy, and don't give a fuck about anyone other than themselves - i mean, we saw how that guy was eating less and quitting his farm job early solely so he could make a bigger profit once the crops failed because of his mistake.

So, seeing those selfish hazaar, and being 90% hazaar, while also being raised by an kind man who gave him a great position, learning and pretty much everything he could have asked for, he kinda developed an hate for his species. As he's said before, he really wishes he was an Jaxtian, given he basically is one in all but biology.
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>>5306058
>>5306056
Bluey really is the only good xeno... damn shame when he dies.
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>>5306005
Many animals rape. People and apes rape. The monkes rape. It is not unnatural for them, but part of an over all strategy of subjugation, aggression, and reproduction for the species. The Hazaar are just a variant on that model, no more morally permissable or reprehensible for their biology than the others. So long as they repress or directvtheir biological impertives appropriately for the Hegemony, they are no more or less suitable. Your disgust is rooted in your biological and social norms. It is an emotional reaction, not a logical one.

>no Jaxtian rape camps
Jaxtians authorized, sponsored, and recently expanded the rape camps.

>clear oversight
I see you still don't understand the purpose of the exercise of the degree to which the Hegemony fetishizes brutality, domination, and emotional detachment from social lessers in the leadership.
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>>5306074
>The Hazaar are just a variant on that model
No, they are not. The Hazaar don't just rape - they have an entire biological subspecies dedicated to rape. They have no concept of family - they are very much willing to use children as human shields from live fire because of that. Their "reproduction" happens when they use their thing to cause a tumor - an actual tumor - in someone, who then bursts through their skin like a xenomorhp.

"Biological and social norms" is a retarded excuse. Relativility is excuse. The Hazaar are objectively gross - trying to say "hurr durr but it's normal for them" does not make them less gross.

What's next? Is raping a child and eating it totally normal because some birds do it? Is thinking that such a thing is disgusting and an sapient species who does such a thing is disgusting "illogical and an reaction based on biological and social norms" too?

No. Because that's not how it fucking works.
>Jaxtians authorized, sponsored, and recently expanded the rape camps.
I'm saying there were'nt JAXTIAN Rape camps you fool. There were no jaxtians doing the raping. The Jaxtians didn't rape anyone. Forcing random citizens to be raped is not normal hegemony procedure because that's fucking retarded - the woman was literally an special case because she had an extremely valuable gene she refused to share because of her phobia of men
>I see you still don't understand the purpose of the exercise of the degree to which the Hegemony fetishizes brutality
I've literally been in this quest since the first post, and the hegemony was always depicted as being ruthless and cold, but never overly psychotic for no particular reason unless it came to DISHONORABRU OFFENSE (that is, insulting the Supreme Leader)
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>>5306073
That's wrong.

The Migrators are good. They're good xenos - they literally haven't done a single wrong thing, because they just don't have the concept. Again, why does a fish need extremely fancy stuff? They already have food. They already have shelter - their species spent nearly their whole life sleeping, so it's not like he can do a lot physically either. And their only job in the Hegemony is serve as Starseers.

That's why migrators are objectively the correct choice - they're not only extremely effective, they're uncorruptable.
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In fairness, of all the things women have to worry about in the Hegemony, I feel like being blocked out of military roles (I suspect so anyways) and the highest position of power in the entire star empire is fairly low.

The Hegemony is sexist, if not cripplingly so. It’s just slightly harder to see because it’s objectively horrible to everyone as a matter of policy.

>>5306014
Yuan seems more stable than Bluey, at least, who is really starting to get worrying with his bouts of wildly over the top cruelty.

But in the crimes against sentient beings department, he’s probably going to be rocketing up the charts soon enough.
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>>5306103
>Yuan seems more stable than Bluey, at least,
That's because Yuan is more of a psychopath. Bluey is just resentful of the Hazaar, so when one of them pisses him off he just goes wild. Yuan has an deep hatred of Jaxtians to the point he's planned his entire life around the goal of committing genocide.
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>>5306103
I don’t think he’s more stable, he was willing to rape Sunshine to achieve his perfect baby. I think Yuan is just better at hiding his instability, whereas Bluey has no compulsion to do so.
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>>5306084
The Jaxtian givenrment currently forces Vetuckers to be raped by Hazaar. I wonde what they did when the Mainlanders genocided all their fellows (except the Blondes)?
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>>5306214
You do know we're doing that specifically because hazaar have an easier time terraforming, right..?
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>>5305646
God I love Bluey he is truly the best boy.
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>>5306040
>there isn't any sort of institutionalised abuse for jaxtian females
They make the entire gender swear subservience to men.
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>>5306005
>My objections is that they're a race literally biologically predisposed to rape.
How is a Hazaar predisposed to rape any more so than any species with a penis?
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>>5306268
>We're commanding Hazaar to rape Vetuckers in government rape camps because they're better at producing comfy clothes
>But we aren't raping them OURSELVES and it's for ECONOMIC reasons and we could stop if we wanted to, so we're on the moral highground
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>>5306278
Beacuse they have an entire subspecies dedicated to stabbing random people with their quills?

Rape is more so an action...done by animals too, sure, but it's not the ultimate *goal*, it's an action that comes as a possible consequence. Hazaar soldiers are completely dedicated, biologically, to this, to the point where they literally have to undergo extensive training to not rape everyone in sight.
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>>5306090
>Again, why does a fish need extremely fancy stuff? They already have food. They already have shelter -
The same is true for any lifeform. Anything with a sense of taste is going to have preferred foods. Anything with the capacity for exhaustion or boredom is going to have things it would rather have others do. Anything with a sex drive has the potential to violate consent to satisfy that drive.

Fucking Eels IRL will recognize friendly humans and swim up to them for scritches. You don't think a Migrator wouldn't be all for a spa or fish weed ?

They have the capacity for pleasure as we saw from the few pov characters we got from them being aquatic doesn't predispose intelligent thought. Look at dolphins and octopuses
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>>5306073
>Good
>Running Rape camps
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>>5306279
>so we're on the moral highground
I didn't say it was a moral high-ground, the entire argument was that the hazaar "akchsyually aren't parasitic because the monkes rape too!!!"
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>>5306058
>quitting his farm job early solely so he could make a bigger profit once the crops failed because of his mistake.
That's your interpretation. The text didn't have anything that stated he was causing the crops to fail on purpose.
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>>5306287
It's pretty damn obvious.

>inb4 b-but he didn't *literally* say it so it doesn't count!
Silence, Hazaarphile.
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>>5306286
The Hazaar are parasitic, or can be when interacting with rival species. Whether this is disgusting "objecively" or worse than what other races do is what's up for debate.
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>>5306084
>I'm saying there were'nt JAXTIAN Rape camps you fool. There were no jaxtians doing the raping.
If a Jataxian brings Hazaar to Swalli, kidnaps a swalli person and then forces a Hazaar to have sex with them, that is a Jataxian doing the raping. And this happened thousands if not millions of times.
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>>5306117
Just gonna point out that so far Bluey has done way worse shit than Yuan
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>>5306286
I never said the Hazaar weren't parasitic. I was arguing against the idea that they or any living being, is capable of being inherently biologically evil.
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>>5306014
>Sexism is actually okay guys
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>>5306014
It is pretty rubbish that Kima, one of the most talented women in history by the AI’s own admission, thusly gets pigeonholed into the Supreme’s wife when we have gene altering and clone tech.

Going off her mom, that seems to be a full time job too.

>>5306282
Perhaps they’d be happier if we didn’t stick them in a small glass box and let them hang out with their fellow fish when not working.
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>>5306362
Almost certainly. But the Hegemony really doesn't care about happiness.
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>>5306396
Considering how important the fish are, we really should.

If we can make luxury goods for our monkey citizens, we can put aside some luxury time for the fish who keep our stellar empire running.
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“Ah hah! See, I told you!”
”W-What?!”

The department head- Aleed. She actually was a spy?! How could this be possible? And it's a... male Leraay? I mean, you have no eyes for any woman but your wife but like... what the fuck. The Enforcers move in quickly and apprehend the alien. Kerjak looks quite pleased with himself.

“Did you see, Hwat? I told you she was an alien- or he. Imposters live among us, sowing discontent! I told you!”
”Kerjak...”
“And you vouched for her. You protected her.”
”Kerjak- are you accusing me of being a spy?! You will push too far this time!”
“No, my Lord. I do not accuse you of anything- but I am simply telling you the truth. You've allowed your loyalties and politics to cloud your judgment. It is only to the Jaxtian race you ultimately belong! I warn you once more- dissolve this absurd political conglomerate!”
”Leave me now, Kerjak. And if you think you will receive a reward for your psychopathic actions, regardless of what they found out...”
“Yeah, yeah. Of course. I do it for my people. Your Majesty.”

He practically spits the words out as he leaves. But you can't touch him now- he just found out an alien spy. And for his allies in the political world... Bastard.

Kerjak is one of the strongest public proponents of a new movement- a supremacy movement towards Jaxtian purity and racial wholeness. Alarmed by the increasing number of alien vassals and the Jaxtians apparent waning strength against neighboring powers; this political movement has spread throughout the realm of State-Philosphers. They wear the black knives, to represent their battle against the xeno.

They are causing all of your problems right now.
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It all truly started based on a political theory- the theory of the Golden Age. The original idea came from the Phenology of Capital- but has since been picked up by the mainstream. It seemed that during great periods of economic and scientific advancement; culture, happiness, and military strength all bound together in a great surge. Underneath Talacent who created both the first fusion reactors, newfound life extension technology, and so- the first great Golden Age of the Hegemony as a space empire came and went.

Eoba II has since united many stellar systems, and we now have great swathes of territory. Science advances in greater fusion reactors and computers continue; not to mention the huge military victory of the reconquistia and the Hazaar vassal states; who will further increase your empire's wealth and power. And yet despite this... no Golden Age. There is no sense of unending confidence among the common people, just things going along as normal. There is no great expansion of culture. We're missing something; that much is true.

However, the proponents of this idea have been under attack by Kerjak's followers- who are more of the opinion that the Golden Age ended because of our civilizations expansion and absorption of alien races- even as inferior vassals. These State Philosophers had physically assaulted several of the proponents of the Golden Age theory- until you had to start marking yourself with black spots, to show solidarity with them. The black spots are a symbol of wealth and prestige and a worthy symbol; one to match with Kerjak's black knives.

The truth is that the black knives have gone too far- and by allowing Kerjak to unmask a spy who just so happen to be wearing black spots, like you, your entire rule and the group you protect is now under attack- many accusations of spies even in the highest levels of the Hegemony!

You need to do something about these black knives. This cannot continue- the relatively free and open exchange of political ideals in the realm of State Philosophers is extremely important for the Hegemony's political and cultural landscape. Strong arming and militarizing to silence your opposition cannot be tolerated. What are you going to do?

>Have Kerjak's goons silenced and arrested
>Create a new political charter of accepted topics; with racial Supremacy stricken from the list!
>Try to come to a peaceful accord with Kerjak himself
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>>5306410
>Try to come to a peaceful accord with Kerjak himself

Cede to him. He has a point, that something is rotten in the Hegemony. How did an enemy xeno get so high into our hierarchy without detection? It's madness...

>Root out the saboteur enabling these Consortium spies

My guess? Kerjak AND Yuan are among the enablers. How did Aleed rise so high? How did spies enter the Supreme program? And, if they're so skilled, HOW DID KERJAK KNOW?
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>>5306410
>Try to come to a peaceful accord with Kerjak himself. Regular medical scans of anyone in a position of authority are to be made mandatory. The results of these scans are to be publicized and no-one, no matter their views, species, or gene-score is to be exempt.
Forget the interracial politics, the infiltration of an alien spy able to reach the ear of the acting Supreme Ruler has demonstrated a FAR GREATER CONCERN!
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>>5306276
And the actual abuse being...
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>>5306410
>Have Kerjak's goons silenced and arrested
>Try to come to a peaceful accord with Kerjak himself
Banana and stick. You misbehave, you get the stick. Keep the realm of State Philosophers free and peaceful, you get a banana.

>Root out the Consortium and the saboteur enabling these Consortium spies, and institute regular covert medical scans of the population at all levels, to be overseen by Hwat and his family.
So, who are we fighting first? The Consortium or the Esaal?

>>5306302
You got a better argument than a strawman?

>>5306362
If Kima didn’t fail her Supreme Candidate training, I would agree with you. Anons pigeonholed themselves on that front.
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>>5306410
>Have Kerjak scanned
best be certain
>Try to come to a peaceful accord with Kerjak himself
He was right about the spy. I think he's right about the xeno-promotion too. We should talk to him, find out what he knows and if we can use it.
>Discreet, spontaneous, random kidnapping of important figures for scanning
can't let our enemies put up their guard
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>>5305650
Wait a minute
>"Oh m- my god"
This was a hint that he was a Consortium spy, as Jaxtians are materialist atheists.
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Also:
>These State Philosophers had physically assaulted several of the proponents of the Golden Age theory- until you had to start marking yourself with black spots, to show solidarity with them.
>forcing the Supreme Leader to do anything
something really is deeply wrong here
and
>the relatively free and open exchange of political ideals in the realm of State Philosophers is extremely important for the Hegemony's political and cultural landscape.
what is something similar being done wrong is stifling out culture?
What if our tight programming on Jaxtians' lives are stifling the Michelangelos' and other geniuses? We already has an AI life-plan mistake once. Maybe if we backed off on that it would induce a golden age.
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>>5306431

>Have Kerjak's goons silenced and arrested
>Try to come to a peaceful accord with Kerjak himself

Oh heavens, forget the politics for a year or two, *deal with the ridiculously deep levels of infiltration in our society*.

>>5306431
IIRC unless something completely left field occurred, the QM explained how no matter what career path we went down the AI would have put in a lot of effort to make us abandon it, and likely would have succeeded.

Might need to check the last thread though.
And… we’ll probably be fighting the Essal first, while simultaneously locked in a Cold War with the Consortium in which we don’t actually have the means to go hit them back.

And the Hegemony is sexist. By Kima’s own internal dialogue, no matter how talented some positions will never be accessible to a woman due to the inherent failures of the gender.

But of all the sins of the Hegemony, mild misogyny is fairly low on the horrible-ness compared to all the torture and xenophobia.
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>>5306429
Forced subservience, brainwashing, and denigration. Anyway...
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>>5306439
Why are we so shit at these hidden puzzles?

>>5306444
Still, it wasn’t the AI that prevented us from becoming Supreme in the end, was it?

Also, assuming it’s desirable for women to abandon their roles in society to try and ape at being men is sexist itself. You’d think that masculine viewpoint would be called out more for it’s hypocrisy.

>>5306447
And somehow the males aren’t abused like?
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>>5306447
Come on Schwab, you can do better than this
>forced subservience
How many times do I have to prove it to you, there are females in positions of power, they are outnumbered by males but that is true even IRL.
>brainwashing
The AI brainwashed Rodjo in a worse and more manipulative way than it did Kima, everybody, regardless of sex, is manipulated, this isn't a female only problem, or did you imply that the oath itself is brainwashing?
>denigration
Reducing subjects of the Hegemony down to their uses and biological fact? Stop the press!
The oath itself is symbolic at best, and how about you acknowledge the points I made before and your goalposting.
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>>5306458
It wasn’t, but evidence being OOC doesn’t disqualify it. We know Yuan wants genocide and would be perfectly willing to rape Sunshine because Banana said so, and we know that not putting the Baal on that gas planet was a mistake because Banana said so. Similarly, even if it didn’t come down to that we know the Ai would have done so (and probably is doing so right now) because Banana said so in the after credits.

And I never said something as such. I just pointed out that no matter what Kima would have done or wanted to do- and in character she did want to be a gymnast, then take the Elite Training, although her current goals we do not know- the AI would have tried to manipulate her to its own ends. The fact that this immensely talented women will ultimately be tasked with having children so we can have a really, really talented (male) Supreme Ruler candidate when we have immense genetic alteration tech seems pretty sexist to me.

It’s not inherently desirable or not for women to want to have children or not, but no matter what Kima wanted to do because she was a woman, irregardless of her talent, the AI would have manoeuvred her into a very specific, if comfortable, role.
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>>5306460
On the denigration point, the oath is actually really important, because it’s one of the fundamental rules the AI who manages everything runs by, and it’s why the AI is setting Kima up to be a wife and child bearer instead of doing something directly with her own talent.

So the oath is not symbolic, and the Hegemony does treat people differently despite the fact I’m pretty sure we can just outright make test tube children and don’t even need a natural womb.
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>>5306419
>Try to come to a peaceful accord with Kerjak himself. Regular medical scans of anyone in a position of authority are to be made mandatory. The results of these scans are to be publicized and no-one, no matter their views, species, or gene-score is to be exempt.
This sounds a good path forward, if we can get it agreed upon. It's a perhaps necessary counter-infiltration method, even.
- And even if we can't get it 'agreed' with Kerjak, we can delay, stall and buy time with negotiations until Cijan's return.
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Additionally, even if the oath was symbolic, that doesn’t make it not sexist- anymore than American schools often having students recite the national pledge isn’t very patriotic. The words aren’t directly doing anything, but that doesn’t make them meaningless.
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>>5306467
Why don't you adress my other points?
You claimed that females are banned from high positions, I proved that your assumption is false, you goalposted.
You are disingenuous.
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>>5306464
Honestly, those optimization choices bug me. It’s an indirect way of saying we’re shit because we not on the ball enough to find the hidden clues, solve the puzzles, or make the objectively correct choice in situations.

>The fact that this immensely talented women will ultimately be tasked with having children so we can have a really, really talented (male) Supreme Ruler candidate when we have immense genetic alteration tech seems pretty sexist to me.
It honestly sounds pragmatic to me. Would you rather have a great female Candidate during an era where she would be disqualified from contention, or a fantastic mega-candidate at the time that Cijan steps down? I’m still all for a Tomboy Supremacy, but even I recognize that we need Lelouch-tier mega-genius if we’re going to be stuck fighting a 3-front war with the Esaal, Consortium, and the Worm-Cyte clusterfuck with a genocidal Schneizel in Yuan fucking up the home front.

>It’s not inherently desirable or not for women to want to have children or not
I think that’s a confused way of looking at it. I’m all for outlier women taking masculine roles if they want, but saying it’s sexist for women to want children is a bold claim.

>>5306467
And abolish the family? Fastest way to get a societal gameover lad.
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>>5306471
Wrong anon.

I’m this one.>>5306362
You know. Radiance.
You want this one.>>5306447

See, this is why I wanted a name.

As for your other two points, I’m not addressing them because there’s no obvious flaw in them. There is an obvious issue with your denigration argument.
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>>5306090
We need to set up a migrator colony somewhere, if there's a suitable Icy moon in the territories we've taken.
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>>5306472
I think we might be misunderstanding what the other is saying.

And no, it’s not pragmatic because, again, if it’s so important we can make test tube children using Kima’s gene material and leave her alone. And if that’s not a possibility, there’s no reason why she can’t have a job and have kids on the side, but apparently the AI doesn’t want that, and looking at Kima’s mom that doesn’t seem to be an option.

And I’m not saying woman wanting anything is sexist, I’m saying the AI is manipulating her regardless of what Kima wants because the AI is sexist, and in doing so is sexist.

And the oath is not linked to family. Not having the oath will not suddenly make families obsolete- at worst we’ll just have less women choosing to be professional housewives and more in the field doing things, which is less bigoted and hardly a bad thing materially either.
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>>5306460
>there are females in positions of power, they are outnumbered by males but that is true even IRL
Few, is specific female -approved roles mostly, and the AI actively steers them away from it over and above whatever innate "IRL" inclination you think applies to a one-world government of blue space-organutans.

>the oath itself is brainwashing
It is, and males and female are brainwashed differently, to different ends, in the Hegemony. Females are brainwashed to think of themselves as inherently lesser and subordinate to men, over and above their shared submissiveness to the government.

You can pretend it's not the case, but we had a whole thread about it. You're just willfully in denial.
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>>5306473
My mistake then, it's just that some anons argue like they're from the WEF.
My main point is that females are treated the same way as males, as resources to be used in accordance with their biology. Kima was manipulated by the AI because it valued her biological potential to pass her genes into a better Supreme Leader, no more different than how Radjo was manipulated into moving to another planet because of his biological potential and to grow the colony. Males and females are treated differently not out of some cultural bias ingrained in the AI, not that it doesn't exist in the society at large, but because they are different biologicaly.
I agree with your point about artificial wombs, considering our operation involving the hazaars, it seems a bit weird that we aren't using indigo making more.
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>>5306471
Females are banned from the Supreme Ladership. I would wager, base don what we've read, they're "shadow-banned" from most other high positions outside of TRULY exceptional circumstances. We KNOW the AI steers such women back to breeding and housekeeping, and that Jaxtians generally treat this pigeonholing as normal and good. Your counters are:

>A hypothetical overseer who never actually got the job but MAYBE could have
(keep in mind that they also offered us a chance to have a xeno overseer repeatedly, even though xenos are absolutely not as favorued as Jaxtians, adjust as women aren't, and it would be seen as weird and abnormal)

>An incredibly manly-looking woman who still gt shuffled into the VERY feminine "Homemaking and Family Affairs department"... And who turned out to be a male xeno in a skinsuit, who was probably a plant

>A woman who hit the glass ceiling as a test-administrator

Come off it, man.
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>>5306481
….what’s the WEF?

And yes, you are correct. That doesn’t mean the AI, and the Hegemony who programmed it, isn’t sexist. The AI is doing so because it values her womb and genetics, and the AI is wrong to do so because we don’t need her womb and can trivially collect her genetics, and even if we did the means its doing so is wildly over the top, but does do so because the AI is sexist and literally has the oath written into its programming. And it definitely has inherited Jaxtian culture because Jaxtians programmed into it boundaries like the aforementioned oath.

They might be mutually conflicting traits, but we can be and are both pragmatic and bigoted- just like how you can be the enforcer of an evil empire, and a good man in your off time.
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>>5306481
>Males and females are treated differently not out of some cultural bias ingrained in the AI
The Kima sidequest had the AI admit it follows and enforces the Oath, which is an oath of females submitting to males on aggregate. You may think that this is justified in this setting, or even IRL, but that is the AI specifically operating on a discriminatory cultural bias.
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>>5306484
The World Economic Forum, where the "eat the bugs, own nothing, and be happy" controversy originated.
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>>5306490
Kek. Are you insinuating the folks at Davos are trying to manipulate a small collaborative fiction project, with maybe twenty participants, about space monkeys?
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>>5306482
Wether Unila became an overseer or not was our choice, the only discrimination you could claim happened was ours.
Also, are you implying that there is a threshold(manly looks, menopause) that once crossed it eliminates the female psychology and neurology from the AI's consideration?
>>5306485
The AI doesn't follow the oath to the letter, the points are more or less the same, but, again, it isn't enforced ad litteram.
>“When it comes to the Eugenic program, we are guided byfourprinciples- in which they especially are applied towomen. The first, is touphold the dignity of the Jaxtian people; to remove and prevent the development of abnormal sexualities, obstructive and demeaning sexual fetishes, to prevent unnecessary “race mixing” and loss of genetic diversity, and as a tertiary objective, make people happy in their relationships.

>The second is toTo keep their bodies clean, to ensure the next generation is of the highest degree of health; with the highest need of health to the most valuable of genetic material. The third is toFor the womb to be used only when needed, to prevent overly large families, genetic drift, and the prevention of bastard children and growing beyond what the Hegemony can support; culturally, physically, and economically...


>“And the final principle. For love to be givenonly to the worthy. The best of mates only to those worth them. This is the largest problem with your daughter, Mrs. Dulioan.”

The AI was going to make Kima fail not because she is a girl, but because she has the "highest female gene score in the entire Hegemony history", the AI's motives were not based on culture, but biology.
>>5306484
Again, the implications of Kima's oath are different from what the AI enforces. I however agree that females are almost obsolete considering the fact that we can make Indigos.
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>>5306496
I'm insinuating that arguments such as >>5306396 are so detached from the facts that they seem like what you would see on Monke /pol/.
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>>5306490
…..huh.
Bizarre.

>>5306497
Ah, I see.
My bad then, thank you for checking back.
Still, the point stands. The AI is inherently bigoted. It’s a pretty minor thing compared to the rampant xenophobia, but it definitely is.

> The AI was going to make Kima fail not because she is a girl, but because she has the "highest female gene score in the entire Hegemony history", the AI's motives were not based on culture, but biology.

It definitely was, though, being influenced by culture regarding biology. The AI was manipulating Kima as such because she both had a huge amount of potential and is a woman. If she didn’t have talent, the AI wouldn’t bother; and if she was male- try to keep as many things as similar as possible, a small and near identical male, still massively talented- the AI would be a lot more permissive in what M! Kima is allowed to do despite effectively the same required outcome (have kids).

And again, the whole ordeal may have been rather silly and even more bigoted if we never actually needed her real, physical, fleshy womb in the first place, and could just get her genes with a test tube child, which I think is reasonable to expect is possible.

The oath isn’t identical, but it’s definitely there.
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>>5306497
We don't know what would have happened had we selexted Unila, just as we have no idea what would have happenwd had we selected that Migrator or Max-Mind, but social egalitarianism and biological neutrality was never on the menu, I'd wager, just as abluey being an overseer didn't negate an obvious huge bias against Hazaar and barriers to their ascent mroe broadly. Do you believe one or two such women or minorities gaining an opportunity negates the obvious social bias against them?

The points made for the second candidate are that she was a very rare outlier, notably masculine and insuitable for breeding, which is VERY LIKELY part and parcel wo how she got where she did. "Cute and breedable" is a barrier to Jaxtian females' careers, but not to males. Even then, she ended up in a steroetypically-female realm, wasn't even actuall female. and I honestly bet she was steered there by regenade elements within and without.

>the AI was going to make Kima fail not because she is a girl, but becase [of her gene score]
It wouldn't have done that to a male with that gene score.

Further, principles like "the dignity of the Jaxtian people", preventing "abnormal sexualities... [and] fetishes", preventing race mixing, protecting wombs (which are, as you day, sort of obsolete at this point, avoiding bastard children, and ensuring "love to be given only to the worthy" are ABSOLUTELY rooted in culture more than biological necessity.

>>5306501
But >>5306396 is sort of right. The Hegemony isn't AGAINST happiness, but it is a teetiary concern at best... As stated in your own citation. The AI (and hegemony) want people to eat bugs (or biocubes), own nothing, and MAYBE be happy, I guess, if it's economically useful and doesn't get in the way of the first two or make them too soft to execute or rape the citizenry when necessarybfor the culturally-determined greater good (ie. detached and utilitarian ruthlessness in the service of preserving supremacy, the hegemony, and the universe). Happiness is not a core objective or value of the Hegemony.
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>>5306418
So... Golden Age Economists vs Jaxtian Supremacists

...This is because we promoted those two books, wasn't it? If we'd held back the Supremacist book, we'd now be having a Xenophiles vs. Economists showdown instead.
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>>5306510
Yep. Just imagine the all out racewar that would’ve ensued had we had Supremacist vs Xenophiles. State Philosophers would be dying left and right.
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>>5306513
Almost wish we'd done it just for the fireworks.
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>>5306419
+1
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>>5306509
The fact that we could have chosen her invalidates what you implied earlier, jaxtian cuture mattered little since it was us who chose the overseer, you can't say it was cultural bias.

>social egalitarianism and biological neutrality was never on the menu
I never said that it was, it's even counterintuitive to the ideals of the Hegemony, ideals that differenciate between males and females not on the grounds of culture, but on biological essentialism.

>The points made for the second candidate are that she was a very rare outlier, notably masculine and insuitable for breeding[...]
And I asked, why would you think that the manly phenotype and inability to breed would excuse the different psychology and neurology?

>It wouldn't have done that to a male with that gene score.
Yes, because a male would be incapable of breeding with the current Supreme Ruler, thus creating the best candidate. The AI's decision regarding Kima was based on biology, not culture.

>Further, principles like [...] are ABSOLUTELY rooted in culture more than biological necessity.
These stand on that vague line in which biology influences culture, I see them as being rooted in biology as the goal of the AI and of the Hegemony at large is stability.

Your point about happiness isn't true
>The AI (and hegemony) want people to eat bugs (or biocubes)
That is utterly false, we madated biocubes during the AI crisis and then never used them since, we even discovered that, on the long-term, they shorten the eater's lifespan. The Hegemony will do anything to ensure that it's subjects are used to their full potential, we even had camps for their psychological betterment
>During this "camp", young people are physically drilled, practice several "war games", and live roughly, including being forced to live in the treetop canopies making hammocks and beds out of gathered leaves and sticks- just as your ancestors did. Eoba has a hand in picking the games himself, naturally. Beyond being a preservation of your culture, you find those who return from the program more confident in themselves and less materialistic in general.

>>5306507
The AI's goal was to create the best Supreme Leader by mixing the genes of Kima and Cijan:
>The timing, also, works out. When he returns; Kima Dulioan will be of age and around the peak of her physical health and most importantly fertility- with the inheritance gene. Cijan will want to create a worthy heir, and will want to take a wife and build a strong family to solidify his reign and calm any appearances of him being a bloodthirsty warlord. It is almost guaranteed that Kima's firstborn son will be of Supreme stock; with both parents capable of raising a great and powerful Supreme Ruler.”
If Kima was a male, that would have been imposible, thus the situations aren't comparable.
Also, even if she was male, she, or he in this case, still woudn't have been Supreme Leader since the Cijan still has a lot of time before needing an heir.
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Looks like there is a strong majority already, but I don't want to call the voting so early. We'll use this as an obligatory OOC breaktime post.

Have YOU figured out what Yuan's evil plan is?
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>>5306533
Alright, fair, if Kima was male there would be no marriage. The point, however, is that if Kima was male the AI would still be trying to chart out an optimal course for maximum potential genetic children, but it would be doing so in a far, far less oppressive fashion. There is no reason why Kima cannot have both a career and be CIjan’s wife, but here we are.

But irregardless of Kima’s gender I am entirely confident we could outright make a test tube child that had all the prerequisite genes without clipping Kima’s wings or any social manipulation nonsense. Source: Our ability to create Kiman II, with all the traits of Kiman ! *but we directly snipped out the impulsiveness gene*.

And we did that *roughly a century ago* (those two brothers were around for a while).

But irregardless of our capability to do so, the AI is doing this because, again, it is misogynist and assigns value to Jaxtians related to their gender in non-objective fashion considering the technology we have at hand (and also just normal misogyny, like disallowing Kima from having both a career and kids for… reasons?) and it’s like such for the reasons I pointed out in the last post.

(As an aside about the rebuke to the other anon, the Hegemony wants Maximum Efficiency, and that doesn’t always require happiness. Anon is right- people only have luxuries and self improvement because it makes them productive. If we actually prioritised happiness we wouldn’t micro manage every point of their lives, and give them more rights, and if we could get away with feeding them much cheaper without causing mass discontent and malnutrition we 100% would.)


>>5306515
This close.
We were this close to *greatness*.

>>5306561
Actually quite sweet.
Is Yuan’s evil plan to cause such extreme factionalism and radicalisation around the subjects of his books to cause the Jaxtian political body to fracture into civil conflict, and use that as justification and opportunity to sweep us away with the Glorious Revolution?
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>>5306431
How is that a strawman? You literally proposed that the enlightenment concept of gender equality was false.
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>>5306458
Assigning roles in society by sex is by definition sexist.
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>>5306472
I remember one time in this thread we missed a Clue and BQM then literally told us their was a clue we kissed in the next update.
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>>5306475
It think it's fair to assess by their posts that they don't see what the Hegemony is doing as sexist because they personally are okay with it.
Little bits like saying "abolishment of the family" "masculine roles" "the enlightenment was wrong", it's like something out of cpac.
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>>5306418
>>5306419
+1
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>>5306510
I told you guys. We were already almost Nazis and now we have actual Nazis.
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>>5306561
That Ventuck really doesn't seem comfortable with this.

Who exactly gave birth to those kids?
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>>5306571
I'm going to point out the brilliance that Yuan's plan only works if the Jataxians are as violent as bigoted as he thinks they are.

Remember how he was almost disappointed when we showed grace to the Hazaar on Xin? That was the clue.

Like the Joker in The Dark Knight he is introducing ideas to Jataxians knowing they will react as they usually do. With violent vain savagery. The only way to defeat him is to make the Monkes NOT total dicks.
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>>5306419
+1
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>>5306561
I thought that you said interspecies cuckolding was a mistake?
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>>5306600
It's adoption.
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>>5306614
That’s even sweeter. :)
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>>5306561
To hold a debate as to whether the Jaxti are more detrimental than helpful to the hegemony in order to convince Threemind to turn on us?
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>>5306419
+1

Who gives a single fuck about interracial politics right now. We gotta look out and purge the rest of these freaks.
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>>5306533
>And I asked, why would you think that the manly phenotype and inability to breed would excuse the different psychology and neurology?

Because the Hegemony (and its AI, which has ingrained Jaxtian cultural biases) favours the PHILOSOPHY of biological essentialism, which it applies especially stringently to females. What you seem to be missing is that while"females are valuable for reproduction and child-rearing" is a biological fact, "they therefore must be restricted from advancing too far professionally or politically, especially if they have useful genes, and they should swear subservience to males" is a CULTURAL norm. It isn't even NECESSARY anymore, and hasn't been for a couple centuries, since we developed the Indigo program. It is being perpetuated for CULTURAL reasons.

>a male would be incapable of breeding with the current Supreme Ruler, thus creating the best candidate

But any suitable female (or even an unsuitable female, such as the AI seemingly believed our Consortium spy to be) could be implanted with an Indigo embryo that is one-half Kima, one-half Cijan.

>>5306533
>That is utterly false, we mandated biocubes during the AI crisis and then never used them since
We didn't discontinue them, though, did we? We reduced the chunk of the diet base don them. And we still feed the citizens bugs.

>The Hegemony will do anything to ensure that it's subjects are used to their full potential, we even had camps for their psychological betterment
Your LAST FEW POSTS included a line about happiness being a tertiary concern, and you acknowledged how two young people were made miserable through deepfakes and psychologcial manipulation by a machine. The Hegemony also uses gangstalking, social media manipulation, pornbots, and all manner of other tools to steer its people psychologcially, and NOT always towards self-improvement and happiness. And, lest we forget, Supreme Ruler training seems to INVARIABLY involve the abuse of an inferior for shaky economic or philosophical reasons.
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>>5306582
That is the vibe I get, especially when he started bringing up the WEF out of nowhere like a weirdo.
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>>5306614
May I ask exactly how these green Ventuck are coming to be?

Are we ordering Blue Hazaar and Ventuck to breed?
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*Du du ding ding*
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>>5306410
>Try to come to a peaceful accord with Kerjak himself. Regular medical scans of anyone in a position of authority are to be made mandatory.
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>>5306678
>>On biocubes:

>We didn't discontinue them, though, did we? We reduced the chunk of the diet base don them. And we still feed the citizens bugs.
From https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5120724/
>You have decided to undercut the real food sellers by mass producing your own real food- and transitioning away from the biocubes rationing. Doing so will require a substantial effort and budgetary cost... but there are some ideas on how to make it cheaper.

And from https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5207039/
>Over much of your reign, the reliance on recycled biocubes has reduced the total maximum possible lifespan of everyone who ate them. While you were assured that the biocubes were safe- the long term health effects were unknown. Thankfully, your swift action to undercut the real food merchants decades ago allowed for “real food” to be the staple of all Jaxtian diets since then. You already knew you had to focus on your legacy- but now it feels even more urgent!

Show me where did the QM said that we are still feeding them biocubes.

>>On happiness and self-improvement


From https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2021/5007154/
>During this "camp", young people are physically drilled, practice several "war games", and live roughly, including being forced to live in the treetop canopies making hammocks and beds out of gathered leaves and sticks- just as your ancestors did. Eoba has a hand in picking the games himself, naturally. Beyond being a preservation of your culture, you find those who return from the program more confident in themselves and less materialistic in general

>You also follow this up with two other control methods; the first being your Talacent Scholarship program, an extra education and achievement project that is targeted towards the depression-prone and underachieving types- to which Al has identified as a large block of the counter-cultural types to put their lives back on track in service of the Hegemony. The second is the more insidious control for those who continue their behaviors- especially those who show a dismissive or antagonistic towards the Hegemony. It seems that males are more heavily affected by gang stalking and unpleasant living conditions, where as females are more harmed by negative social ramifications; but both are useful and effective.

As we can extrapolate the Hegemony uses ganstalking and "overt" psychological manipulation only when necessary.
On average, the Hegemony will indeed do whatever it can to make use of its subjects, but it has a limit on what is permissible outside of special situations, lest the Hegemony ends up with a deficit between what it gained and the psychological strain on the individual.
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>>5306678
The AI values long-term benefits more than it avoids relatively small discontent within the present population.
>they therefore must be restricted from advancing too far professionally or politically, especially if they have useful genes
We had an option for an overseer, one of the heighest ranks outside the title of Supreme Ruler, that was a breeding female, it was even highlighted the fact that she could take maternity leaves and she was passed over because of our choices, not cultural, in game, reasons, fact that you had not adressed.

>>The indigo option

With the informations presented to us, the anons, I do belive that making an Indigo child would be the best option, thus I partially agree with you, the problem is the fact that we are not presented the reason as to why it did not happen, thus you blame cultural reasons. I think that there is a catch to the Indigo program that prevents it from being used in this case, a catch that we are not aware of, probably for story reasons. This has happened before, such as in this very thread when the armament of the esaal were presented to us only after we had chosen to not board their warship. I predict that, like the Threemind said, Cijan will seek a wife when he returns and we will be presented the option, perhaps as a puzzle or with a catch, to use the Indigo project to make that child.
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>>5306571
>if Kima was male the AI would still be trying to chart out an optimal course for maximum potential genetic children, but it would be doing so in a far, far less oppressive fashion
Of course it would, but it will seem less oppressive not because M!Kima is a male, but because you can't breed a male like you would a female. Say that the AI manipulates M!Kima into breeding with the female with the highest genetic score and assume they have a daughter,the problem then would be the fact that Cijan would be too old to properly breed with her even considering the fact that older males are often paired with younger female, he could even be dead before she would come of age. So now you have to find a balance between the availability of the host of the gene and that of the current Supreme Ruler, you see the problem now?
Wether Kima is a girl or a guy is irrelevant, the fact that Kima, i.e the gene, is available at the same time as the current Supreme Ruler is the reason why the AI is so adamant about their pairing, because of biological facts.
As for the Indigo option, read here >>5306817
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>>5306684
I the anon who make the WEF joke, not that guy.
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>>5306475
It is pragmatic because Kima was never in contention of becoming a Supreme even if the AI wasn’t fucking her up. None of the Supreme Candidates that were in training that generation would’ve become Supreme Rulers because Cijan is still too young to step down.

Also, what job on the side? Supreme-lite? Raising children is a job of its own, and the more time you focus on the child’s development as a parent the better off they become.

>I’m saying the AI is manipulating her regardless of what Kima wants because the AI is sexist, and in doing so is sexist
The AI manipulated Raj wayyy more invasively regardless of his wants, and that wouldn’t explain how we promote women to the position of Overseers. The AI isn’t sexist.

>>5306561
Create enough instability to put his child in power as the Supreme Ruler.
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>>5306825
Really, Hwat just needs to make more love to his beautiful monkey wife and give Kima two brothers and three sisters with that same possibility of Gene potential.
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>All these Anons simping for the Hegemony and trying to pretend they aren't bigoted in how they managed careers or operate culturally
>Bananas posts an update where a job posting explicitly bars women and blondes
Hahaha, like pottery.
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>>5306571
>The point, however, is that if Kima was male the AI would still be trying to chart out an optimal course for maximum potential genetic children, but it would be doing so in a far, far less oppressive fashion.
Raj got completely shit on by the system, yet Kima had more oppression in general?
>There is no reason why Kima cannot have both a career and be CIjan’s wife, but here we are.
A stable childhood and better development. This is supposed to be the Supreme of Supremes we’re making here.
>without clipping Kima’s wings or any social manipulation nonsense
That’s the basis of our society (and every socialist society), and saying she couldn’t make Supreme isn’t sexist, it’s recognizing the reality of the situation that it isn’t time for Cijan to step down yet.
>like disallowing Kima from having both a career and kids for… reasons?
Stable and more developed children? Less stressed Kima? Fuck mate, we’re talking about the father being the Supreme Ruler here, is there a better job than raising your children and the next generation of Supreme Candidates?
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>>5306873
Raj's oppression is class-based. Kima's was based on sex. We literlaly just got more official confirmation that the Hegemony bars females from certain jobs.
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>>5306561
I'm guessing to inspire what he sees as contradictory aspects of the Jaxtians and their society and try to inspire them to turn on each other? I'm thinking that problems might have been less severe if we'd chosen to popularise the Xenophilia + Economics books, as the Inclusion of alien races was a thing Yuan was actually in favour of, claiming in his own mind to be a patriot to the Hegemonic nation despite hating the Jaxtian species? Whilst the Jaxtian 'supremacy' was always a thing he loathed, so promoting that book I'm guessing brings us the potential worst consequences.

And of course, perhaps the prospect of verbally demolishing his own flawed 'supremacy' text arguments as a tissue of lies to show his own superiority to them. I mean, Talacent's golden age - there were many contributing factors; but the main pillars that led to it were:
1) Adopting Haazar life-expanding technologies to dramatically increase EVERYONE'S lifespan through Telomere lengthening.
2) The use of Azurium from the Baalathi cylinder allowing the Hegemony to make the jump to fusion power safely and cleanly, effectively doubling everyone's potential recourse allocation and making them significantly better off.
Both of these prime points were direct results of alien contact.

Yuan's 'supremacy' text is a house of cards just waiting for the right breeze to topple it, and he could choose to blow on it at any point.

And let us not forget - in the event of civil disorder, if the situation gets bad enough - Yuan is himself genetically certified as a potential supreme. Whilst I doubt he could win a 'revolution', I wouldn't discount him setting up a 'counterrevolution' to crush the initial rebels and set himself up as the Supreme Leader 'to restore order'.
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>>5306576
Because it is. The Enlightenment didn’t have a women perspective, which is why a bunch of men thought it’d be great if women acted like men as well (fellow tomboy enthusiasts I see). Gender equality never took biological reality or the women’s perspective to heart, it was always about Men thinking Women should abandon their femininity and embrace masculinity in some sort of shitty twisted Utopian ideal of equality. They weren’t enlightened, they were misogynists.

>>5306578
So the gendered roles of Fathers and Mothers are sexist?

>>5306580
Fuck, that just sucks harder.

>>5306582
No, it’s about understanding the history of philosophical thought. I personally think we should abolish more government powers irl instead of instituting a totalitarian socialist hellhole, but that doesn’t make the fact that the socialist horror show of the 21st century came out of the philosophical underpinnings of the Enlightenment any less true.

>>5306585
I think you mean fascist instead of almost Nazis.

>>5306588
Actually, that goes into Yuan totally different tones in his different political works. Raising a jingoistic mindset within people by distorting history and doublespeak is incredibly easy when it’s self-selecting. The reason why these goons are reacting violently is because they were predisposed towards violence and gravitated to the violent ideology.
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>>5306894
>>5306014
Perhaps he wouldn't have thought you were arguing against rqualitu of the sexes more generally if you had elaborated upon your point better the first time? For instance...

>gendered roles of Fathers and Mothers

By this, do you mean having those roles at ALL, or a very rigid traditionalist view where women are valued almost SOLELY as mothers, forced towards those roles and limited from others, and then expected to perform them with an attitude of obsequious subservience and docility (and with minimal emotional support from the father) regardless of their actual desires and personalities? If you mean all THAT, yes, that's sexist. If you just mean males and females pairing up, having kids, and choosing to take the roles in their household's economic and child-rearing tasks that they are best suited to, no.
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>>5306868
>Your career can advance up to and including supervisory roles, high level administrators, civic planners in new systems won by the Reconquistia, and Hazaar crossbreeding and genetic researchers! (Due to high IQ requirements, only Mainlander Jaxtian Males need apply)

We moved the best of the best on Jaxt when Eoba II remade the aristocracy, it's as bigoted as using skilled workers for high maintenance equipment.
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>>5306678
>It is being perpetuated for CULTURAL reasons.
No, it’s being done for philosophical reasons, and has the benefit of being pragmatic for the children themselves.

>We didn't discontinue them, though, did we?
Pretty sure we did, since consumption does have negative long term health defects and we specifically focused on dealing with the black market on real food.

>>5306860
I agree, Hwat’s clearly been slacking in the bed! Shjomae, grab the whip, Hwat’s making more babies tonight!
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>>5306915
>"Women aren't barred from jobs! Look, sometimes one makes it to the upepr echelon! Or, at least, hypothetically could have, or would have if they weren't actually a male alien! Point is: there is equal opportunity. Women just don't go for them because biology. It's NOT sexism."
>Job posting explicitly barring women and minorities from an amazing opportunity as a matter of policy, regardless of ability
>"Well, you know, Mainlander males ARE just objectively better than Blondes or females, so it's still not sexism."

Dude, you're just a sexist who thinks sexism is justified and therefore not bad, and are afraid of the pejorative associations with the term.

>>5306928
Political reasons ARE cultural. It's the political culture. The idea that the children will be better off in this structure is ALSO cultural.
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>>5306881
No, instead of dealing with racial supremacists we’d be dealing with literal Consortium collaborators at all levels of society, including the proto-capitalists we have brewing in our societal brain. It wouldn’t be better, it’ll just be a different kind of worst.

And Yuan would never be accepted by the main population as Supreme Ruler.

>>5306909
I’m against rigid thinking in general, and I believe in the freedom of choice, so I’m fine with whatever suits the family unit best. But I also believe that throwing out tradition wholesale is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, because there is some societal wisdom about human nature that can be learned from.

>>5306932
No, the idea that children are better off in a family unit is based in objective reality, and the culture that formed around that reality was traditionalist. Just because philosophical revolutions changed culture doesn’t mean the same happened when humanity was still dragging itself out of the philosophical mud of the Stone Age.
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>>5306940
A family unit does not necessitate a NUCLEAR family. That is a cultural understanding, a piece of "societal [read: cultural] wisdom about human [read: modern Western human] nature which you have internalized and projected onto space monkeys."
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>>5306932
I think you just gave a couple of birds a heart attack with all that strawmanning.

Fromhttps://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5207039/
>Even changing Jaxt itself, your homeworld, into a sort of elite planet, filled with the greatest intuitions and teachers[...]
It's a fact that mainlanders are at the top of the ladder.

>>5306943
>societal [read: cultural] wisdom about human [read: modern Western human] nature which you have internalized and projected onto space monkeys."
You really want to go there? You really want to try that argument? Because I don't see you quoting the QM, I see a couple of anons, one in particular, who claims that the view he bears, a Western view that originated 50 years ago, is the best for space monkeys. You are doing the textbook definition of projecting:
>Psychological projection is the process of misinterpreting what is "inside" as coming from "outside".[1] It forms the basis of empathy by the projection of personal experiences to understand someone else's subjective world.[1] In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding
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>>5306954
You just quited what would have happened IF we voted for aristocracy. We didn't. We vited to reform the caste system. Remember?

Now stop spazzing out because your cultural ideas aren't universal objective truths.
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>>5306969
First and foremost, I reread and your right on that one.
Secondly, bigotry, sexism, xenophobia, do you think these guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAGjuRwx_Y8 have any notion about them? Or that the men on North Sentinel Island care about woman suffrage? Don't you see that, you yourself hold your own cultural ideas as universal truths while accusing other of doing the same?
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>>5306973

Rearead past posts even MORE closely and you'll find that I never claimed my ideas and ideals are universal or objective. I am well aware they're not.
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>>5306857
>>5306873

Things means I’ll have to address most of it later, but I will point out that there’s no need for Kima to be a full time housewife to raise her children right. Individualised families themselves are a pretty recent invention- for most of history, parents were aided by their own parents, friends, tutors and relatives. It takes a village and suck (and Kima’s mom, who I still cannot recall the name of, would probably love to help raise a grandkid.)

Heck, my parents and the parents of my best friends all worked full time jobs and called in help from relatives and sometimes a child sitter, and we’re all fairly normal. The nuclear family isn’t some biological necessity, it’s an invention we created for socioeconomic and cultural reasons, and it’s not even one we need IRL, let alone one of the soon to be wealthiest and most talented woman on the planet.

Find an accomplished parent ad tutors and let them help raise the kids, and let Kima use her immense talent for things she’s proven to be good at- not being a full time housewife.

The rest I’ll get too later.
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>>5306915
And if we really weren’t bigoted we’d use an aptitude test, not just restrict it to race and gender.

‘Oh, statistics show that on average this [insert race here] generally has the highest socioeconomic class and can afford the best tutors. Ergo, anyone not of that group need not apply!’

‘Also for completely arbitrary reasons, you also have to be a man to supervise some bug people.’
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Is the mainlander/blonde intelligence gap really so wide?
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>>5306747
>Due to high IQ requirements, only Mainlander Jaxtian Males need apply)
I fucking love the sneak diss here
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>>5306915
Why do they have to be Mainlanders and Male then?
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>>5306873
Why are men not forced to pick between there careers and children?
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>>5306881
>I'm thinking that problems might have been less severe if we'd chosen to popularise the Xenophilia + Economics books, as the Inclusion of alien races was a thing Yuan was actually in favour of, claiming in his own mind to be a patriot to the Hegemonic nation despite hating the Jaxtian species? Whilst the Jaxtian 'supremacy' was always a thing he loathed, so promoting that book I'm guessing brings us the potential worst consequences.
I told folks this when the vote came up . Everytime we make an anti-Xeno vote we get hurt and every time we make a pro -Xeno vote it helps but folks still haven't learned.
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>>5306894
Saying your Mom and Dad have to raise you in certain ways because of their gender is sexist yes.
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>>5307023
As is demonstrated IRL, measurements of intelligence are very easily influenced by environmental factors. I'd you give group A more resources and privileges than group B they will on average be wealthier and healthier and have higher IQs.

Which of course in many culture gets used as a self fulfilling prophecy to support said uneven environmental factors.
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>>5307044
>As is demonstrated IRL, measurements of intelligence are very easily influenced by environmental factors.
>measurements
....
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>>5306410
>(figuratively) fuck Kerjak and fuck these black spot philosophers too. I am the economist, and I am supreme, yet I am not a detective. Auugh. Fuck.

> Call a council of the intelligencia and the high philosophers for the following purpose:
1. To develop an entertaining method of debate to allow the philosophical factions to make their case without stabbing each other. I'm thinking family feud debate club. Then the viewers can vote on their favorite who will get a shiny succulent danbo to suck on.
2. (more secretly) to develop a foolproof method to detect these non-native spies. One must assume that there is significant infiltration already, of even the highest levels, including doctors, ai programmers, and medtechs. Maybe a biovirus that makes these foreigners smell strongly of strawberries?
3. A volunteer secret white knife club for philosophers with big balls to stab each other and make fun of loser philosophers too level headed to engage in random knife fights for honor and prestige.

Also, wash that shit off your face dude. The Hegemony is one. Political parties are anathema.
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>>5307062
I mean, they are. Childhood nutrition, edcuation, acculturation... But IRL logic may or may not apply to eugenically-selected, genetically-modified space monkeys.
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>>5307044
So if Group A is better than Group B and you are in Group B, how likely is it that you imagine Group A has a bunch of imaginary privileges to make up for your sortcomings and insecurities?
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>>5307066
Probably pretty likely, but sometimes you may be right. For instance because this ISN'T /pol/ a Blue Hazaar might imagine Jaxtians are given a bunch of gibs by the govenrment, and that they and/or Red Hazaar are kept down artificially. Now, there are deep, fundamental, innate biological and psychological differences that helped determine the fates of those three races, far more than between Blondes and Mainlanders. There are also whims of fate and circumstance, such as the surprise of how the Balaathi responded to the Argon trade and the destruction of most Hazaar. However, they'd also be 100% right that, yes, the state fabours the Jaxtians over them, yhat they are being lied to about their innate intellectual inferiority, that they are being groomed for a lesser station, etc.
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>>5306876
The AI ultimately turned to more directly abusive measures to make Radjo play his part, but Kima’s oppression was far more far reaching- we just acquiesced long before the Ai had to get extreme. As long as Radjo married the right person, he could pursue whatever career he wanted. Kima does not get that privilege.
>>5306825
…….I….? You lost me. Are you agreeing or..?
If it takes less oppressive actions because you’re a man to get the same results, it doesn’t just seem less oppressive, it is actually less oppressive (and more bigoted).

>>5306973
By that logic, Vikings weren’t murderous raping thieves and Romans weren’t patriarchal jingoistic genocidal conquerors because they thought those negative attributes were perfectly fine.

Xenophobia, sexism, aggression and vengefulness are not subjective, they are behaviours people take. Where culture comes in is whether they are acceptable or not. In our IRL culture, xenophobia and wrathfulness and misogyny is bad. For many cultures they were normal, common sense our even virtuous, but that doesn’t change what they are. Whether the hegemony citizens think the hegemony is bad is a completely different argument to whether the hegemony is bigoted.

And if there are men who don’t care about woman suffrage and act in a sexist fashion, they’re still sexist. They just don’t care.

>>5307073
A very good point.
Anyways, if parenting is so important the best move irregardless of anything else would still be to make a test tube child with all the relevant genes and then give that child to a well off couple with a good record in parenting who want another for some reason but can’t naturally have one, because experience and a good track record in parenting matters a lot more than genetic potential or career achievements, instead of whatever nonsense the AI is doing right now.
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>>5307065
Don't forget quality of education is directly correlated to income, and income is directly correlated to racial status.
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>>5307066
The idea of demographic supremacy is literal racist fairytales
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>>5307109
I very much like the superman plan.

Make a bunch of Indigo supermonkes and seed them among the most mentally well adjusting homes.
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>>5307126
Who said the groups were races?
You ok, anon?
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>>5307127
I could get behind that. Maybe when we get our first female Supreme

>>5307142
>pic related
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>>5307157
>female supreme
No, thanks
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>>5307157
no.
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>>5307142
From the social construct and DND game pov of the various species of the Hegemony are effectively races. (The fact that most of them can interbreed just drives that point home.)
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So Blondes must be a little less smart than Mainlanders, otherwise wouldn't our AI be trying to groom and utilize them as much for intelligence based tasks?
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>>5307238
I’m pretty sure it’s widely acknowledged that the species in this game are wildly, wildly different, especially compared to dnd which is getting flatter with every update (to my disappointment). So no, different species are not races, however…

>>5307245
Again, the AI is probably being bigoted. Farro Val is walking proof that blondes can be very capable- being a flagship captain is a much, much more important job than being a genetic researcher!
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>>5307245
Garbage in garbage out.

The AI is programmed based on Hegemony biases and values which means it enforces a demographic caste system with Mainlander Male Jataxians at the top
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>>5307248
Races in the sense of "Roughly hereditary demographic groups within a nation."

It's a pretty well work fantasy and sci Fi trope to have species serve as a structural stand in for races.

As we see in this very thread with the plantations, colonization, institutionalized segregation etc
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Yes, that's the only real way to solve this. To come to peace with Kerjak. It wasn't necessarily your first choice, believe you me, but this is the best way to move past this “disagreement” and move towards actually important matters- like routing out the spies that infest the many levels of the Hegemony! Preparing for potential conflict against the Esaal and Consortium! We can't be wasting time with political disagreements.

Of course, Kerjak is just the face of a larger movement. Many Jaxtians, especially those in the military or Enforcer roles, seem to resonate strongly with the belief in racial solidarity and supremacy. Where as you believe the values of optimizing all resources for the most gain is superior to such primitive thinking. But once again, you are speaking in biases again. Perhaps you have more in common with Kerjak then you think!

”Kerjak. I'm glad you came.”
“Have you finally come to see reason, Dulioan?”
”I believe we can create something here we both agree with...”

But it's true; it's a bit of a danger. Even you aren't blind to the ideological split that has been ripping through the Hegemony in Cijan's absence. People like yourself; administrators, economists, civic planners- all chasing the ghost of the golden age, and then people like Kerjak, more ideological and irrational, but still powerful- potentially a threat. Not just to yourself or your reign- but to your family too. You can't take that risk.

”...But we need to begin depopulation; our population reaches almost 200 billion! We will reach carrying capacity soon.”
“And become minorities in our space? Are you a fool, Hwat?”
”What of this other concept- the restricting Xeno movement to their homeworlds?”
“Ahh, well in that case, depopulation is more agreeable.”
”But the Hazaar crossbreeds should be an exception-”
“Grr... Well, I suppose it should work. But only tightly controlled.”
”Naturally.... We will need a way to make this official, you understand? This accord must be maintained by a third party.”
“Isn't that the Supreme Ruler's part in this?”
”But how do we maintain it?”
“It would need to be a promise then. Something scared- a vow.”
”I see. Like a vow...”
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You are now Cijan Anak again, the true Supreme Ruler of the Hegemony.

You have been awoken from suspension as you near the border of GSA space- the Galactic Society of Aristocrats. While your crusade has hit upon many locations and done many things- this was your true goal all along. Make meaningful first contact with this enigmatic society. The Hegemony needs allies in open space, even if they be merely ideological, and in the GSA you may find this.

”Captain-” Farro Val says. ”We are being hailed by a beacon on the border of their space. It's an automated message.”
”Put it up.”

“You are now on the edge of Fiefdom of Their Royal Majesty, Ully'Andule, Child of Ten Stars. Please state your business here. If you are not of Nobility, please remain where you are until a Knight Errant can collect you for punishment or reassignment to your new life as a serf. Thank you.”

”...What should we say?” Jale asks. Clearly, they are waiting for you to answer. If anyone in the Hegemony is of "nobility", then you guess it would be you.

>What should you say to the automated beacon? (Write In)
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>>5307248
Well, isn't there variation in genetics and other factors that might produce blondes that are smarter than each other? Also, maybe captaining requires a different type of intelligence(of which there may be quite a few) than that research position?

I wonder what types of intellectual jobs blondes get more than mainlanders, or has intelligence been generalized as a stat for gamr purposes?
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>>5307314
"I am the Supreme Ruler of the Jaxtians, Divine Star-King of Vetuck, Conqueror of the Baalathi, Grand Knight of the Order of the Glorious Hazaar Reconquista. I have crossed galaxies for the mutual honour of making the acquaintance of one of the VERY few noble souls with whom I hope to find a measure of equality and kinship. I am here... For High Tea."
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>>5307343
+1 I dig it.
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>>5307311
>Where as you believe the values of optimizing all resources for the most gain is superior to such primitive thinking. But once again, you are speaking in biases again. Perhaps you have more in common with Kerjak then you think!
You fuckers you made Monke Paul von Hindenburg!
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>>5307314
WE ONE PIECE NOW
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>>5307343
+1 kino
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>>5307343
Hell YES brothers, we are here and we intend to indulge in some jolly good cheer
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>>5307343
>+1
Don't forget to say this with a british accent.
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>>5306943
The nuclear family is the bedrock of a successful society, and no amount of reimagining is going to change that basic fact, even as you internalize and project your sexism onto space monkes.

>>5307005
>The nuclear family isn’t some biological necessity, it’s an invention we created for socioeconomic and cultural reasons, and it’s not even one we need IRL
That a joke? We didn’t rationalize the family unit into existence lad, it was born out of biological necessity, which then transitioned into a greater importance when society became a thing.

>>5307037
Because men are biologically and culturally more disposable than women and children. In a tribe of 200, if 100 men die in a war, they’ll be replaced within a generation, but if 100 women die, that tribe will never recover demographically.

>>5307039
You saying your parents raised you in the same way lad? Because I don’t believe that for a second.
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>>5307343
Support
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>>5307343
>support
Your proposal is... acceptable.

What is unacceptable? Dulioan weakness. Hwat, containing the alien to their homeworlds as a principle is foolish. You of all bean counters know this. Those beans, some of them have places to be. Now the migrators, surely you think of them as tools or resources rather than aliens if you intend to contain the alien to its home sphere. And carrying capacity is a guide, a prod rather than a box. Carrying capacity must be ever increased, in order to increase the power of the Hegemony. And when meat is cheap, when meat is in high supply, then one should not be afraid to spend meat. Expend, expand, exploit, transcend. Infirmitas Delanda Est. Hegemonium Aeternum Ultra Noctem.
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>>5307485
The idea that an immediate family can only be one father, one mother, and their children is a societal construct. Families are a inherent necessity, but they take a lot of forms- there’s no reason why any one person has to be a full time parent for a well raised kid.

So yes. The nuclear family specifically is artificial. Not good or bad, but not necessary.
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>>5307314
>>5307343
+1
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>>5307343
>+1 Support

>>5307311
Depopulation? You fools! We have a Hyperspace Drive, we need to explore in more directions, seek out more potential colony worlds to deposit the excess population upon.
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>>5307485
The Nuclear family isn't even a constant across societies. Many work on more extended family modules and that's not even getting started on cultures that practice polygamy.
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>>5307485
My Mom and Dad didn't raise me in the same way but that's because they are different people. The idea that people are assigned parenting styles due to there gender and if they don't stick to their assignments bad things happen is a fiction.
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>>5307563
>we need to explore in more direction
I'm not a big fan of depopulation, but didn't we *just* learn that the only other star cluster within our region of space was taken over? We won't be getting many new planets until we defeat the Esaal
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>>5307319
Considering that they’re outright not even considering blondes for the job when we’ve seen blondes in a wide variety of positions (enforcer, captain, overseer), I suspect they’re just being bigoted.

There being a statistically 5% higher chance that a mainlander is more fitting than a blonde than vice versa (and even that I suspect is really stretching it, and likely isn’t all genetics even if it is the case as much as it is societal bigotry impacting their career orientation) is still a really stupid reason not to consider them at all.


On an unrelated note.. if the hybrid Hazaar breed like Hazaar, can they then create 81% Hazaar, and then 73% Hazaar, and so on?

At what point are they rendered infertile?

Can we make a Blue-Green or Green-Yellow or Blue-Green-Yellow Hybrid?

Hm.
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>>5307612
Well, put that excess demographics to use in conquering the star cluster, then. We getting a little bit of depopulation while also gaining living space.
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>>5307638
Yes, that would be an idea, but we also have to worry about the cyte coming.

Honestly, we've really neglected our navy - our firts order of business when Cijan returns should be turning our shipyard into a proper factory of ships.

We don't even have battleships - we need those, as well as a lot more cruisers and bombers if we want to defeat The Esaal, the Consortium, and the Cyte. Hopefully, not all at once.
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>>5307515
The nuclear family may not be necessary for kids to survive in modern times, but they are needed if you want kids to flourish and not flounder, so they are a good institution instead of normal.

>>5307563
Do I hear… Lebensraum?

>>5307594
I’m not saying it’s constant, I’m saying it’s the bedrock of a successful society.

>>5307595
Wouldn’t they be different people… because of their genders? Quelle horreur!

I’m not saying that they are assigned parenting styles, I’m just saying their gender informs and influences their parenting style.
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>>5307646
good institution instead of neutral*
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If the Galactic Society of Aristocrats likes it hoity toity- then you'll give it to them!

"I am the Supreme Ruler of the Jaxtians, Divine Star-King of Vetuck, Conqueror of the Baalathi, Grand Knight of the Order of the Glorious Hazaar Reconquista. I have crossed galaxies for the mutual honour of making the acquaintance of one of the very few noble souls with whom I hope to find a measure of equality and kinship. I am here... For High Tea.”
”...Entire galaxies? Really?”
”Shh.”
“Checking FTL communications networks. Checking Jaxtian “Hegemony”. Creating timeline of events. Simulating. In the meantime; questions for the Supreme Ruler.”
”Fire away.”
“Were you elected to your position?”
”No.”
“Do you ever perform an honest day's labor to earn your keep?”
”No.”
“Did your family rise to prominence in your generation?”
”What, like the Nueva Riche? Good lord no.”
“These are the answers befitting nobility! So sorry to keep you, your Supreme Rulership! Your species frequencies have been placed on file for easy access next time. Welcome to the Galactic Society of Aristocrats, esteemed guest!”

And with that, the AI beacon emits a signal to put down all security measures and welcome you to their space. Even with a simply flyby of one star system, you can already see an incredible amount of sophistication here.

The GSA has an incredible amount of stellar infrastructure. Every planet and moon has structures, factories, orbital stations. There are large space platforms and huge solar collectors orbiting the sun- they probably don't even need fusion power if they gather it directly from their star! It is clear that the GSA's territories have been inhabited by a space fairing civilization for a very long time; hinting at both their age and level of technological advancement.

“Welcome, welcome! Please come aboard!” The communications comes from a rather gaudy looking Starship. As far as you can tell, it's a little bigger then a crusier, but not quite battleship size. It is very strangely decorated.

”Are those streamers tailing behind the spaceship?!”
”No, wait... those are solar sails, possibly energy collectors as well. But made to look like decoration. The GSA clearly care a lot about pageantry...”
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You are invited inside and enter the ship. You take along with you your two right hands- Jale Berax and Farro Val. While neither are exactly royalty- both are basically your knights. Besides, despite how friendly this Ully'Andule is, and how confident you are in your mission, you still don't really want to go on an alien ship alone...

You enter the vessel to find it sleek. The inside don't much match the exterior- the walls and floors are all slightly curved in an aesthetic, organic shape. The walls and floor are not made of metal, they are rigid but with enough give to be comfortable to the touch. Everything is very slightly warm to the touch- it feels like the interior of this ship is almost a luxury just in how it is designed. Indeed, your air-conditioned carpeted inner sanctum aboard the Bite of Batool is like a stuffy cargo hold compared to this!

“Ahh, they you are! I bid you welcome, fellow Aristocrat!”

W-Wha-

They're a... Hazaar?!

“What is the problem, my friend? Does my appearance concern you?”

You can't believe it! They are a Hazaar. Everything about them is the same as the Hazaar- you deal with them on a daily basis, naturally, as they are a prominent species in your empire. But this one... draped in gold finery, and of a Hazaar-gender-type you can't identify, but unmistakably a Hazaar!

”You're a Hazaar?!” Jale blurts out. You give him a glance. We have no idea of their relations you damn fool! You were trying to come up with a more tactful way to say that very same thing...

“What did- what did you just say? Hazaar-?”
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“Ppffftt- AHAHAHA HAHA!”

The alien starts laughing. You don't remember your Hazaar back home having teeth like that.

“Oh my goodness! Ohoho. It's been so long- those Hazaar!? That must have been, what, two or three millennia ago? I remember when they got those ships and left! Oh, time sure does fly.”

”You know the Hazaar? Are you... not the same species?”

“Oh no, friend. We were the same species. They were an extremist group- Luddites. The Hazaar refused the next stage of our evolution- they continue to use outdated Argon computers instead of the computers we were spawned with; brain-to-machine interfacing! It was no major loss- almost all of them were serfs and peasants, not allowed to leave their home worlds anyway, but a few lesser nobles scrapped together a fleet of ships and left for an uncharted, uninhabited region of space. They even used some biotech machinery to purge their innate desire to serve beings above them, but last I heard they screwed that up and ended up as a bunch of selfish capitalists with no mirror neurons. Hah!”

Is this being saying that it was alive when... when the Hazaar first colonized their space? That was before the Hegemony was even founded. The Hazaar didn't even have FTL technology- or did they actually lose that technology over time? The GSA have more advanced technology then you do- compared to the pre-Baalathi invasion Hazaar at the height of their development; it would be miles beneath them! You aren't sure if this being is lying to you, but you think it's true; that would fit the profile of a luddite...

But you keep getting distracted by another matter- the pink Hazaar's groin. It's totally naked, you're now realizing and there is... no breeding spike? It's just a blank crotch. I mean, you don't exactly like looking at Hazaar spikedicks or anything, but something about this is very weird. There is no genitalia whatsoever. This creature is somehow even more removed from the natural realm then you thought.

“So then, what exactly did you come here to discuss? I'd be more then willing to share our culture with a like-minded aristocrat...”

>Ask up to 3 Questions
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>>5307652
>next stage of evolution
It's pretty obvious what happened here - the "original" hazaar just completely removed any biology they had. They probably don't even reproduce naturally anymore. They said they use brain interfaces, right? They've probably gone full biotech.
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>>5307646
……it seems both cruel and historically inaccurate to say that no culture before, at the most generous estimate, the industrial Revolution could consistently raise their children well because they had people other than the immediate parents helping raise their children, thus enabling said parents to not need to devote a full time job to caring for them.

Or to say that non heteronormative couples can’t raise a child right.

Or to say that entire existent cultures today, including mine, can’t raise a child right because our biological parents trust other people enough to look after their kids while they’re working.

Anyways. Point is, Hegemony is bigoted and Kima got the short end of the climbing branch.
Maybe how their society is organised, how we could work together, and… something psionic?

Or maybe ‘tell me about yourself’. If we’re going full feudalism here personal bonds are golden.
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>>5307660
>Or to say that non heteronormative couples can’t raise a child right.
They cannot.

Also
>heteronormative
So normal?
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>>5307661
First of all, yes, that is normal.

And the assertion that gay couples or non-couple parenting groups can’t raise their children successfully is, in fact, Extremely Bigoted.

Bloody hell mate, really?
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>>5307643
Promote Max-Mind and have them work on pumping out ships. We basically have a mini sentient Star Forge
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>>5307646
>I’m not saying it’s constant, I’m saying it’s the bedrock of a successful society.
Several successful societies did not have it as a bedrock.
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>>5307662
>extremely bigoted
pic related

>>5307663
Good idea...but that's for later. For now we need to think of the questions.
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Yeah, after thinking about, ghost theory can wait until after first contact.

> Tell me about yourself and your glorious deeds! It’ll be the pleasure of my myself and my retinue to trade stories.

> How is your society broadly structured? Not everyone can be as regal as yourself; what of your loyal chivalry and diligent serfs?

> After all is said and done, in your esteemed opinion how could we best help each other?
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>>5307666
Well that’s…
……disheartening.
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Actually, these people are *extremely* old, aren't they? This man talked of events two/three millenia ago as if they were an nostalgic memory. It's obvious they're an old kid around the block.

You think they know about "The Cyte"?
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>>5307671
Is that…. Is that the sort of thing we ask on first contact?

The cute’ s not coming immediately, and we’re not going to be leaving indefinitely (hopefully).
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>>5307673
Fair point. It seems like a waste to talk about "his" deeds, though. We want to know more about his society, about the situation, and about the galactic neighbourhood.
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>>5307674
One of the most important parts of first contact is diplomacy. Getting to know our counterpart- who is the head of an aristocratic society where who you are and who you know is just as important as the what- before further dealings sounds pretty bloody important.

What if we accidentally piss them off, for example, because we go straight to business without knowing their taboos?
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>>5307665
Such as?
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>>5307652
> Tell me about yourself and your glorious deeds! It’ll be the pleasure of my myself and my retinue to trade stories.

> How is your society broadly structured? Not everyone can be as regal as yourself; what of your loyal chivalry and diligent serfs?

>What do you know of the Worms and their "Cyte"?
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>>5307676
The nuclear family only became widespread during the early 1900s, late Industrial Revolution minimum- at least, in Europe, America and Asia.

So, any successful society from that bracket.
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*before that, I mean.
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>>5307679
>nuclear family
You understand that by "non-nuclear" you are talking about "multiple nuclear families under one roof", yes? Do you actually think that "grandparents, parents and children" being an staple is somehow proof that nuclear families are "artificial"?
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cool, The debate is still going.

>>5307109
>If it takes less oppressive actions because you’re a man to get the same results, it doesn’t just seem less oppressive, it is actually less oppressive (and more bigoted).
Let me rephrase it, do you think that, had Kima been a male carrier of the gene, the AI would use the same tactics? No, becasue you can't make males pregnant. Thus, had there existed a male carrier, the AI would still manipulate the situation so that the perfect child existed, but it would have done so "less oppresively", not due to some cultural bias, but because it would not be able to use the direct methode(Kima-Cijan pairing). Is it clear now or do you somehow think that our AI and, by extension, the Hegemony wouldn't manipulate a male into breeding with a woman? Because that already happened.

You second point doesn't make sense to me, your first point is that all those ideas are independent from humanity, like their some mathemathical equation, but then you say that culture merely determines if said ideas are seen as good or bad while implying that they are objectively bad. IF those ideas are independent from humans, and humans only react to them, then how can you imply that they are bad for the Hegemony when you, by your own logic, can only see them through the vail of your culture?
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>>5307485
The space monkeys are sexist and not even ashamed of it, much like theg are afscist and happy to be so. They consider these things good.

If youw any to have a wider debate about familial structures across the ages (something you're clearly ill-equipped for, anyway) go elsewhere. I'm tired of you. We're playing a game and you're barely even botheri g to tie your political debate to the quest at this point.
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>>5307681
Not him but humans are probably naturally tribal, at minimum with intergenerational close family structures to even small villages being quasi-tribes until the industrial revolution.
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>>5307612
If we take the Esaal-occupied Baalathi cluster as 'north' and our own Haazar-cluster as 'east', that still leaves us the options to go 'south' and 'west', even if they might be slightly farther out.
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>>5307667
These are good questions. I'd support all three! Good mix of flattery, intelligence gathering, and politicking. Maybe, rather than the last one, though, we could ask...

>What are your relations with the Aanel puppets, or other unaffiliated space-empires, for that matter?

>>5307652
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>>5307714
>>5307612
One word gentleman: Arcologies, we had the option to build them centuries ago, why wouldn't we be able to do so now?
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>>5307652
>Next stage of evolution
>How is your society broadly structured? Not everyone can be as regal as yourself; what of your loyal chivalry and diligent serfs?
>After all is said and done, in your esteemed opinion how could we best help each other?
Most of what they did to themselves is probably a bad idea but some of it may be useful and while Jaxtians mostly rejected cybernetics they seem to bemore ok with biotech stuff.
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>>5307719
Arcologies aren't really that good with Jaxtians because they're generally pretty connected to nature. Not to mention they prefer buildings that go upwards - like hive cities - not giant, sprawling urban centers.
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>>5307661
>>>/pol/
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>Ask about the Cyte

>Ask about the Consortium
>Ask about the Esaal
We are approaching a three front war. We need all the Intel we can get
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>>5307734
I'm not going to start talking about real politics and show real stats in a story about blue space monkeys, you redditor.
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>>5307731
From https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2021/5053823/

>The arcology.

>First arcologies were proposed and planned by none other then Kinja himself, but his lack of resources and technology to support such a project, as well as the desperate need to bolster his population first, prevented it from moving past the first plans. But now you are reviewing these plans again, and with your newfound building materials and techniques- it is more then possible.

>Jaxt is getting crowded; and beyond your own homeworld other planets will need to be colonized. Until now, small and special colony units were built on planets, using spaceships as the primary means of transporting goods. If an Arcology network was built, the need for open space cities and nature-consuming colonies could be greatly reduced. You could build an arcology on any planet, regardless of if it was habitable or not, making efficient use of space and fusion energy. Transport tubes using antigravity trains could ship goods around, with minimal impact on any local environments or biospheres. And your population density could grow higher with little loss to personal freedoms and quality of life. With your ever-increasing AI ability, a city of such size and population complexity could be managed with little oversight. Shared spaces and resources efficiently recycled and reused- Yes, the arcology may be the next step in habitation for the Jaxtian people.

>However, there is also the issue of funding and the cultural changes that will result. Building the first Arcologies on Jaxt would be a good start, but will take away time from exploring the universe. Your space stations were first built by Talacent as a way to build more habitats for Jaxtians, but its impact ended up being minimal. You hope the arcology ends up differently...

Then, we chose to expand in space, but I don't see why arcologies wouldn't be a good idea now that we are surrounded by aliens.
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>>5307738
Do you honestly tie so much of your identity to websites that you think saying someone visits a different one is an insult?
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>>5307739
I would go for this yes
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>>5307652
>Being as you are a supreme individual of a species of obvious sophistication and class, what measures do you and your society take to strive against the forces of entropy and ennui?

>What foods do you consider most suitable -and most delicious to your refined palletes?

>What relations does your society hold with your galactic neighbours - especially, the ones we know about, the consortium and the Esaal? We have recently come to you from 'Balaathi' spacem where the Esaal have set up many outposts but are not broadcasting them - is it your majesty they are hiding their faces from?

Also.. this revelation means that we'll need to treat that 'Regeneration' device we found in Haazar space with suspicion, it might be the thing that took out the Haazar's original sense of community and obedience.

..This also ALSO means that the Haazar are a non-native species in their own 'cluster'. If any of the 'reclaimed' worlds have a very thin population, we could send the Haazar reds to a different 'red' world to consolidate the populations and move in Jaxtians to the now-empty planet.
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>>5307741
No, but i do know the kind of person that comes from there.
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>>5307739
I think we should make an arcology on our factory planet - think about it. It allows us to have more workers on the factories, it allows the whole thing to expand better, and it keeps our home planet of Jaxt green and beautiful.
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>>5307746
Pretty sure we're doing that stuff anyway, with the hazaar subtypes. But it would be pretty nice to get another planet with Jaxtians.
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>>5307660
You do know that most people before the Industrial Revolution were farmers, right? As in, the family worked together on the farm?
>Or to say that non heteronormative couples can’t raise a child right.
Never said that, and most people don’t use the term heteronormative to describe traditional relationships.
>Or to say that entire existent cultures today, including mine, can’t raise a child right because our biological parents trust other people enough to look after their kids while they’re working.
Never said that either, so you should stop being so defensive, this isn’t aimed at you. High-trust societies weren’t always a thing lad, sometime the world can be a cruel place to live.

Kima has only herself to blame for failing to meet the standards of a Supreme Candidate, it wasn’t the Hegemony the made her choice to fuck it up.
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>>5307845
Saying that the nuclear family is the undeniable bedrock of a successful society and well-reared, flourishing children... Implies that families and cultures not in tat mold will NOT be sucessful or rear flourishing children. The other anon is not wrong to take that as a dig at his cilture and family structure, whether you're ultimately right or wrong.

>ANYWAY

The Hegemony's system for grading Supremes failed Kima for having empathy and respect for a loyal subordinate and productive member of society. This is another case of subjectivity: is she to blame for lacking brutal ruthlessness and having empathy, or is the structure of the test rewarding and punishing the wrong characteristics? Would Kima have been a worse Suprmee than Ingar I would have, for instance? 'Cause that whole process PASSED Ingar, right up to the final selection by Talacent... But gave Kima no chance. I'd argue that shows some obvious problems with the process, IF Jaxtian society wants more ambitious-but-caring Supremes and fewer psychopathic narcissists. IS that what the Hegemony (and we, the voters) want?
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>>5307679
Maybe the term nuclear family became widespread, but that family structure existed since Homo Sapiens became a thing.

>>5307705
A low tier shitpost, really?

>>5307719
Simple- we should. We should also build underwater and space superstructures, as well as start integrating the Swall into the Hegemony.

>>5307746
Or it was the device that kept these Aristocrats young and alive.

And we should already be moving Jaxians in to dig in and prepare an invasion force.

>>5307885
No, it implies that families and cultures not in that mold have a harder time creating a successful society and rear flourishing children. The reality of the African American community under the welfare system has proven that. It’s not to say that it can’t ever happen, nor is it saying that the nuclear family will always bore successful and flourishing children, they just have a better tendency to than the rest.

Kima failed because the Supreme Leader must prove him/herself to be ruthless in dealing with problems. If Kima can’t send a soldier to his death, then how can she be expected to solve problems that will require her her subjects to die? It’s irrational to think empathy, not ruthless pragmatism, should be the Hegemony’s guiding ideal.

In that respect, while Ingar is far from ideal, he would be better than letting a weak willed nut-thief becomes Supreme Leader.
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>>5307885
Low quality bait and larping.
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>>5307961
>>5307966
You can really tell the Americans because when slmeone says "what about millenia-old historic cultures which differ from the moderm Westen norm? Or even the long, long period of time when Western cultures relied on clan structures and community rather than atomized nuclear family units?" they say "welfare ruined the blacks!! too many single mothers!!"
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>>5307967
We ain’t talking about larger societal units like clans or tribes, we’re talking about the lowest common subunit in a society, which is the ‘atomized’ nuclear family. Multiple families creates the clan, and multiple clans a tribe, but all require the family unit to function effectively.
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>>5307967
+1 point to your social credit score?
Fuck off to pol or reddit.
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>>5307967
They'll never admit they are wrong so I will settle for them becoming the thread 's punching bag.
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thank god none of you will ever do anything with politics
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This… blew up.
Right.
Deep breath.
>>5307717
Thank you. :)

>>5307719
You’re a genius!

>>5307681
1. A three generational household is, by definition, not a nuclear family structure, and if you seem that to fall under the roof of acceptable families you need a better name for it.
2. The norm as far as I know in the vast majority of ancient European and Asian civilisations was parents, grandparents, siblings of the parents, family friends, older siblings and cousins, and for the well off tutors, servants such as governors and governesses, and masters in master-apprenticeship relationship (like knight and squire, to use a non traditional version of that). That is not a nuclear family.
3. If multiple nuclear families can work together to raise a kid right, that is no longer indicative of the parental value of raising a kid as a full time mum because of the nuclear family values.
4. By that point, however, there is no reason why we can’t both have we want, and the AI is still bloody stupid. Kima’s mom and Cijak’s and Hwat’s parents- who are almost certainly retired- can all help and I’m sure would love to help raise their grandkids, meaning Kima is still perfectly capable of working a full time job to use her talent to also directly benefit the state and fulfill personal ambitions, triply so if the job can be done at home or close nearby, and we can still get the supposed benefits of your nuclear family. Examples include writer, artist, teacher or athlete, one of which we know she’s good at. Ergo, the Ai is still being sexist.
5.See above, no I don’t, and yes they are.
https://family.lovetoknow.com/definition-nuclear-family
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/nuclear-family-history-origin


>>5307686
Ahh, I see.
My mistake, and sorry again for accidentally giving you the wrong idea or not making sense.
The indicator isn’t with Kima and Cijak being shipped. The indicator of sexism in this case is that that apparently cannot coexist with Kima having a job, which does not seem to be the case for men.

For my second point, to use a more direct analogy….
The Romans, as a culture, were broadly jingoistic, patriarchal, racist, enslaving and genocidal. This is objectively true based off the behaviours they take and the values they espoused in their writings. I subjectively think all of the above are morally bankrupt; a Roman would disagree. However, our disagreement is not relevant to whether the Romans are or are not genocidal, racist, etc.

Similarly, I assert the Jaxtians and the AI are xenophobic, racist, speciest, jingoistic, and, the point of contention, sexist and misogynistic. I also think those are bad traits, and a Jaxtian would disagree, but our disagreements are beside the point to whether they are or are not, hence saying ‘well culturally they think this is fine’ is not a helpful point.
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>>5307845
>>5307961
I am aware that pre 1800s the vast majority of the world were some manner of agrarian or artisanal job. I don’t see what this has against non nuclear families, or why that necessitates nuclear families. Even ignoring multigenerational households that may or may not include multiple same generation families related by blood, farms were typically not isolated from one another, and rural villages and towns did exist.

And I refer you to what the other anon said about your words. If you don’t mean to cause offence, you’re not going about it in a very inoffensive manner.

I refer you to this.
>>5306464

And what you’re saying is still offensive, even if less so, by implying that people who don’t fall under the strict and well illuminated definition of a nuclear family are less able to raise a kid, which I personally disagree with for quite a few reasons.

And yes. We had families before we were even Homo sapiens. I do not see how this is relevant to the actual point here, in that Kima does or does not have to be a full time mom and abandon her career aspirations to have kids.

And if *anyone* should be able to trust their kid to other people, it should be the people who almost certainly have servants and bodyguards on hand. You know. Extremely wealthy Jaxtians, like Kima.

And we’re taking about raising children here, not what the technical lowest demonisation of people in a society here. There is a massive difference in raising a kid as a single nuclear family, and a nuclear family in an alliance with other nuclear families.

>>5307885
I actually think the test makes a lot of in character sense for the Hegemony, and its pretty low on the list of things about the Hegemony we should enforce if our goal is Gains.

>>5308022
And thank heaven for that!
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*sorry, reform. Not enforce, we’re already on that with the still capped jackboots.
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Huh, 10 hours and only about 6 votes. That's less then normal. I guess it wasn't a very interesting prompt for you guys, I'll try to do better next time.
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>>5308036
I liked it a lot.
I think it’s more that we’re all busy brawling abut nuclear families and how to raise the theoretical supermonke kids.
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>>5308036
It's not that it wasn't intersting. This is actually something you can realize the more you spend on /qst/, but people are generally way, way less likely to vote when you don't give them options. Voters are risk-averse

When it comes for questioning times like these, i generally reccomend adding some questions suggestions, and leaving the write in. It's not like an puzzle, that can be solved.

I mean, i didn't vote because i didn't know what was a good idea - so i just decided to let others choose.
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>>5308036
Nah, the retards screeching about nuclear families kinda quickly drowned it out. Your quest has a lot of that. Does kinda get annoying when you post something and then there's fifty posts of unrelated gibbering

>>5307746
+1 to these questions.
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>>5307677
Support this
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>>5307667
+1
Since we can ask about the cyte latehr
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>>5308000
You all just lack imagination. We're dealing with alien races, even the Jaxtians, with fundamentally different norms, psychologies, societies, and histories, and you can't see or dream 100 years jnto the past or 10 kilometers outside your country. You're trying to anchor this fictional society to your perspective, based on your limited understanding, of a small sliver of time and space from real life, specific to OUR species.

>>5308032
I agree that the test makes sense. As to whether it's a GOOD btest to produce WORTHY Supremes, THAT boils down to subjectivity and what Jaxtians and the voters who secretly control their politics from beyond the 4th wall want for the leadership.

>>5308036
Write-ins are tricky for some people, and a few really good questions got asked early on.
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>>5308026
This person is right.
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>>5308036
Anon, I have three voters max in my quest. THREE. Be thankful for what you have.
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>>5307652
Lol. The Balaathi are just runaway ancient computers.
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You know, I know why the Jaxtians love knives, but if they actually expect to go into life and death hand to hand combat, I do wonder why we don’t have other melee weapons. Like a bayonet or a boarding axe or something.

Just because we love something doesn’t actually make it the best in all scenarios, after all.
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>>5308128
It makes sense to them - as we know, Jaxtians build vertically, to the point where literal monke doomguy, Jale Berax, was getting stressed from a long, corridor-based facility. When you're fighting on stairs, trees and the like, knives make sense

To first stop that, we'll need to start getting our soldiers accuatomed to different environments - really, our military doctrine is stupidly obsolete for the space age.
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>>5307652
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>>5307652
OH SHIT. BLUEY EVOLVED TO SERVE! we need Bluey to reproduce NOW!
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>>5308166
Giving Bluey orders like that makes me concerned he will start mass sexual abuse of the Red Hazaar, probably Hazaar in general to be honest.
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>>5308170
He already forces them to breed according to a specific program, makes them wear chastity belts when they aren't doing that, and sometimes takes great pleasure in castrating them.
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>>5308166
+1
Time to lay fat sacs. FOR THE HEGEMONY!
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>>5308176
Good point. Let me clarify. He would start personally raping Red Hazaar. Maybe even to death.
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>>5308036
It’s not that it isn’t interesting, it’s that I’m at a loss at the right sort of questions we should be asking. Are we supposed to ask for an alliance/trade pact now, or is this just a QnA for their culture/history?
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>>5308170
Thats the point. we NEED him to spread his SPIKE everywhere.
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>>5308285
No we most certainly do not.
The Hazaar population is high enough Bleuy's genes aren't unique.
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>>5308146
In that case, I propose giving the officers boarding axes as well as knives!

As I’m sure you’re aware, there are several benefits to a boarding axe over a knife in a duel- reach, heavy impact (especially important for the Essal), can be used in one or two hands, easier to block with, harder to block, and the hook can be used as a tool to break barriers, climb or manoeuvre in zero gravity. (Additionally, encouraging our officers to physically maul people with a bloody battle axe in the space age is the sort of ridiculous savagery papered over with high minded vernacular we know and love).

Also, I want to see Jale Berax duel a power armoured Essal Grenadier in zero gravity with axes and swords, (by far the most compelling reason).
Out of curiosity, how does fighting vertically lead to knives? You’d think it’d lead to hatchets and picks- things you can climb with- before we get down to literal knife range.
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>>5308032
Anon, I already went over this. Without the nuclear (immediate) family, there can be no greater support network for the children. I refer you to >>5307974, but if you want greater clarification of what I meant, the extended family is simply in another category (clan). So when I say that the nuclear (individual) family is the bedrock of a society, I quite literally mean it, and the extended family is apart of a greater social unit, of which relies on many individual families in conjunction to function, but that doesn’t mean that these individual families suddenly disappear as the most basic societal unit. And yes, this is an important distinction.

I know you have your own theory on how child rearing functions, and find views different to your own innately offensive, but you should calm yourself and grow thinker skin about this shit instead of expecting others to give a shit about what you find offensive about their worldview.

What could be a more important job in the Hegemony, other than raising the Next Supreme Leader? Yes, I know you think it’s sexist and that somehow Kima should also focus on another important career doing… something. But let’s be real, Kima has no real skills outside of gymnastics and some dueling abilities, especially since she never progressed past the morality test that she (and only Kima, not AI shenanigans) failed of her's own volition. The pragmatic choice is to focus on the future leader of 200 billion citizens, not some career training a handful of people gymnastics.
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>>5308355
Firstly, I don’t appreciate the backhanded insults, and I suspect you are aware of exactly what >>5307646 insinuates.

Secondly, I refer you entirely to what I said in the numbered part of >>5308026. I have no idea why you think Kima specifically will be an amazing parent compared to the likely several other people available to help her out.
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>>5308340
I think the 'Knife Fighting' is more of an honour duel thing; both combatants agreeing beforehand to use the same weapon - one with a nimble precision-ness to it to base the outcome more highly in skill and ability rather then the vagaries of random chance.
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>>5308365
I understand that, but if we’re going to be fighting hand to hand duels against the Essal for some questionable cause of military ethics, I want to win.

For starters, they won’t have a knife.
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Rolled 1 (1d2)

Vote tiebreaker. One will ask about the Cyte/Worms and Two will be "how can we help each other".
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>>5308363
Neither do I, and I know what you insinuated in >>5308032, even when what I said wasn’t directed at you.

Second, the Kima thing was partially in response to >>5308026, and I don’t know why you think she wouldn’t want to be a homemaker. You’ve been projecting non-stop since you started on this tirade, maybe you reevaluate before you start spreading your unconscious biases all over the quest.
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>>5308430
maybe you should* reevaluate before
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>>5308285
No you stoopid, bluey's genes have literally nothing to do with his subservience. Bluey is subservient because of his unique background as Talacent's "basically adopted son" and the first jaxtian hybrid
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”Tell me about yourself.”

“Naturally- that is why you're here, isn't it? I am an Aristocrat- The Child of Ten Stars, meaning the number of stars in my fief. My name is Ully'Andule, which is not a family name, but chosen by myself and my self alone. I pride myself on my abilities as a warrior, a noble, gourmand, and all around aficionado of all things fine and wonderful. My biggest passion? Music. I love music- on my worlds, all serfs must know how to sing or dance in case I make a surprise visit! I collect instruments, you see, and learn to master every single one!”

”...Are you really thousands of years old? My species only naturally lives to be around sixty- or less.”

“Ahh, that is unfortunate. I suppose I should not question your skepticism, but yes- I am indeed. Immortality is the dividing line between one of our society and one of another- yours included I am afraid. We do not divide by species lines- only be this biological factor. We do not take offense from a more juvenile species who has not yet mastered morality- we were once the same after all.”

”Of course.”

“I'm glad you've asked though. And yes, Immortality is absolutely its cracked up to be! The timeless power of the stars, serfs who work the bodies cosmic- it means I have absolutely no concerns. No physical or mental strain- all the time in the universe to do whatever I wish! It is living in luxury- nothing less for an aristocrat. The only trouble then is finding a way to whit away the boredom! If you couldn't tell- our species has no need for sex; my life is already sex, though I have intimate knowledge of the gendered kind. We can simply command our bodies to orgasm- or heights your own species wouldn't even yet understand. Instead, are pursuits are all... mental. Cognitive.”

Seems like it really likes to talk about itself. You guess you shouldn't be surprised. ”You mentioned having a fief- is your society run under feudalism?”

“One could call it that, yes. Of course, do you consider your relationship with your livestock or pets to be feudal monarchy- with you as the King, with each providing with you their labor or value in exchange for your divine right and power? Of course not. The Aristocrats are few in numbers; everything else is our belonging or our servant. The Galactic Society of Aristocrats is us, the rulers, the rest of our subjects are not part of this society. They simply are. Most are serfs, never allowed space ships or technology to leave their home planet or installation- and most don't want to anyway.”

”You keep them protected then, the principles of noblesse oblige? From the things in the universe that may want to... eat them?”

“Of course! But your choice of words are so specific. Too specific even. You must be talking about... the Aannel, aren't you? The worms?”
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You nod gravely. ”And they threatened us as well. Something called... the Cyte?”

The noble laughs again, less cruelly this time.

“Oh of course, they love to throw that thing around. It's nothing to be afraid of, dear. Of the worms, of course I know them. They are the oldest known race in the galaxy, as least as far as anyone else can remember. No historical records contradict this. They are, however, incredibly powerful Star Seers. The strongest of all, I'd say. In that way, I'd admit, they should not be trifled with. Each one contributes to some sort of galactic hivemind- not exactly the same as you're thinking, but enough to suppress their own fears of death- a form of mental immortality.

They seem to know everything about everyone; and know the end of the universe. Much more intimately then anyone else. They'd be invited to join the Aristocrats if they weren't so...”

”...Ugly? Malicious? Annoying?”

More soft laughter.

”I hate to be a bother- but please, could you tell me what the Cyte actually is? I have received only half truths and lidded answers- my predecessor Eoba Garastra II never got a straight answer either.”

“It's a solar energy collection device or platform; much like the ones we have right here in Aristocrat space. But that's the rub- it's stationary! It exists in the galaxy as a fixed point around its star! Well, as stationary as anything can get in the Lotus Galaxy! But do not be concerned by their empty threats- it is of not threat to anyone.”

”Thank you for sharing your wisdom with me, Ully'Andule.”
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“...But please, enough about me! No more questions! I should be asking about you- my most honored guest. I heard you have artifacts and relics in your ship-”

”Yes. I am ready to have a shuttle sent over to-”

Something interrupts you. Ully'Andule stops in place, as though alerted.

“My scanner indicate... you have a... Life Machine, aboard your ship?”

”I do not know what that is, friend.”

“Wait- is that the lost Life Machine?! The one the Hazaar upstarts stole- all those eons ago! No way, you found it!”

”We acquired it during our Reconquistia of Hazaar space. We used it to restore Jale here's lost youth to him. I'd like to take it for a spin myself soon...”

“No no no, you don't understand. That is a Life Machine. The Life Machine is the hallmark and cultural touchstone of our people. It is what made us Aristocrats. It does not merely restore youth- though it can do that. If a serf or a pet or an organism enters it; it will restore lost tissues, regrow limbs and body parts, repair the gaps in genetic material, totally deep clean the body- destroy all old viruses and bacteria and keep the antibodies. It restores youth and cures all disease; it reaches into the being's core and pulls out their idealized self. Everything- even mental illness- is cured. But it does more then even this. For an Aristocrat, whose mind may merge with machine, it has the power to bring forth any life that they so wish. I could enter my life machine and come out a man. Or woman. Or Jaxtian. Or fish- and spend a million years in a primordial swamp planet happily munching my time away. Do you understand? It is the Society's greatest creation. It must be returned.”

”Hmm. Unfortunately, I cannot do that. I told you before; my people only have a life expectancy of one hundred years even with our current technology and teleomere lengthening. The ability to restore youth and bring something to their genetically ideal form is paramount to my people's advancement.”

“But you understand its historical and cultural significance, correct? This is the only thing we Aristocrats cannot abide- we cannot share this technology with anyone. It is ours and ours alone. Surely you understand- what is the name of your founder; Akule, the Unspeakable? Surely his mask is of utmost cultural importance. What would you do if an alien collector, say an Aristocrat, had possession of it?”

”We would take it back.”

“So you will give me the Life Machine.”

”No.”

The room suddenly feels very cold. The welcome has run out. ”...I suppose we should be leaving, then.”
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With a sudden click, the Hazaari creature makes a strange noise from its throat that you could never reproduce with your meager vocal chords. Then you feel it- a burning sensation. You itch suddenly, without able to control yourself, you claw at your own flesh- Farro and Jale too.

”Ahh!”
”Cijan! What's happening?!”
”B-Bioweapon?”

The Aristocrat laughs. “Not exactly- just the toxic spores you've been breathing in my ships internal atmosphere since you came aboard. Normally dormant- this is just a little trick to deal with any boarding parties or serfs trying to stowaway.”
”You little... fucking knifecock!”

You look at your body- your body feels and looks so wrong. Pink pustules growing all over, faster then you could imagine a cancer or scab growing- its got tendrils digging through your flesh, ripping apart your own vessels to make its own veins. It's disgusting, itches like mad, and makes you feel weak. You look back up to see that fucking smug pink muzzle.

The Aristocrat smiles.

“I will be having that life machine back now.”

”Farro! Order the ships to ready weapons!”
”Ayy!”

You should have known this would happen. You had a feeling something was wrong- alarm bells, like when you're being watched by a big hungry jungle cat. It's strange how it watches you now, as though calculating something.

“...Hmm, well that is a bother. Your two cruisers are strong enough to destroy my ship. But if they do, they'll be returning home without their precious Supreme Ruler. But I can't trust you to give me the Life Machine once I turn you loose. What an impasse...”
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“...You know, I was just thinking. I would hate to ruin our friendship over something so pointlessly dramatic, wouldn't you? I had a thought- the Life Machine is already gone, right? Accounted for as lost thousands of years ago by the Hazaar- what shame would it be to let this one go?”

You already are starting to feel a bit of relief- but somehow you know this can't be right. The pain in your body is swelling- whatever this is, you get the feeling it will kill you if it progresses far enough. Ordering Jale to overpower this creature won't work- you'll succumb to the disease- and you get the feeling that even your ship's impressive medical equipment won't work.

”What... What do you want?” You hiss.

“A lot of Aristocrats pride themselves on their collections. Myself included. When we do get together, we like to share the newest luxuries, the newest frivolities, and our newest pets. And I'm pretty sure that none of my friends have a Jaxtian yet...”

”You cannot be serious.”

“Oh, but I am. You will return home with one Life Machine- free of charge. Avoid having to make a big show, after all, I did let it slip out from under my nose with the Hazaar being so close and yet never recovering it. This is easier. And I'll get a new pet. The potential immortality of your race, in exchange for my pleasure. Like I said- culture, money, power- all of it is secondary to experience. Lovely, lovely fun! I need some excitement in my life. And this is exactly it. And let me advise you now- pick a pet according to my sensibilities. That way, I'll be inclined to treat them well. So tell me... which one of you will it be?~”

>Farro
>Jale
>Yourself
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>>5308456
Uhhhh, if we’re really forced to choose, Farro would be the only acceptable choice. Cijan is too important, and a Supreme Ruler becoming another aristocrat’s plaything is unacceptable. Jale is of common stock, and so is naturally out. Farro is a cultured blonde, and he looks quite dashing in his uniform. He’d be the only acceptable pick.

The Life Machine would revolutionize our society and technology, so it’s too important to simply let go, but I do hate that we have to sacrifice Farro for it. We *will* come back for him, mark my words.
>Farro
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>>5308456
Another xenostate on our "To rid the universe of" list, anyway:
>Nobody, you can have the machine.
We made it this long without it, we can contiune the same way, and leaving one of our men with the pinky over here is just disgraceful even though Farro would be the best option.

Remember Eoba II's fight with the worm, we do not bow down to xenos.
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>>5308456
>Nobody, you can have the machine.

We could have offered him that instrument if we hadn't broke it.
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>>5308456
Do we really need the stupid machine anyway? It's obvious that it would revolutionize technology, but do we really want our society to turn into these hedonistic fucks that never have to worry about age?

Fucking hell - it's like the universe itself is trying to show why xenophobia is a good thing - there literally hasn't been a SINGLE good species that came from outside our cluster.
>Nobody, you can have the machine.
Disgusting faggot, we can't hand over a Jaxtian to one of you fucks
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>>5308456
this is the sacrifice for the greater good of our society. we have to do it. we need our military leader, and we can't sacrifice ourself as the fleet needs guidance and hwat is doing a shit job back home.
>pick a pet according to my sensibilities. That way, I'll be inclined to treat them well
>Farro
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>>5308456
>Nobody, you can have the machine.
If that's not an option anymore?
>Farro
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>>5308456
>Farro
He's even an accomplished musician! The sinister space-aardvark can surely replicate the traditional instruments of the Blonde people?

>>5308460
>>5308463
>>5308467
Guys, THINK. Even if we don't want immortality, the Life Machine is of INCALCULABLE value to the Hegemony. We are playing a Supreme... A Supreme who PASSED the test that Kima failed. Why would Cijan not sacrifice a low-born subordinate to secure such advanced medical technology?
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>>5308500
It's fair that it's great to have an machine, but do we really need to give that stupid degenerate one of ours?
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>>5308500
>Checked
But let me rephrase your question a bit
>Guys, THINK. Even if we don't want diplomacy, the worms are of INCALCULABLE value to the Hegemony. We are playing a Supreme... A Supreme who PASSED the test that Kima failed. Why would Eoba not sacrifice a few moments on his knee to secure such an advantage?
It is impermissible for the Hegemony to relent to an alien, especially the Supreme Leader, its like what an anon said some previous thread, we are klingons pretending to be vulcans, materialism is only for our domestic front
In the end, no matter what, WE DO NOT BOW DOWN TO XENOS.
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>>5308460
>Nobody, you can have the machine.

Remember, this is the machine that made the Haazar what they are - so clearly, there's something wrong with this flawed device!

Though since we're probably not going to be able to change our mind like that... the obvious choice for a Jaxtian to leave behind would be...
>Kimnam's Useless Nephew
I mean, everyone else on the list came along - he's surely just been dozing in a stasis pod all this time, right?
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>>5308507
Yes, unless you have a better negotiating tactic.

>>5308514
The Supreme will NEVER bow to a xeno. But will he sacrifice the life of a subordinate from an inferior class of monkes? Probably. These are different situations, because the benefit is greater, the cost lesser.

>>5308526
Would the aristocrat be satisfied with such a pedestrian offering, not even influential or important enough to be thawed-out to see him?
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>>5308456
>Farro

Anons, can you please take a moment to stop fucking us up over honor and THINK for a moment. We are facing a three front war with enemies that far outstrip our capabilities, and this advanced technology will likely be our only lifeline out of the grave we’ve dug for ourselves. As much as I like Farro, the Life Machine is way more important to the Hegemony’s survival. Don’t Klingon us into an early grave.
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>>5308535
How is an youth machine going to save us from an three-front war?
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>>5308535
Honor is what separates sentients from animals.
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>>5308532
>because the benefit is greater
Prove it, we are close to a two front war between us and the Cyte and the Esaal, all of this on top of the Consortium spies.
Only an Aristocrat can use the machine to its full potential, and our medicine is good enough as to eradicate most illnesses, that only leaves the youth restoration and do you really think that its usefull to us now, in the middle of a class-memetic war? Do you want to deal with the succesion issue that a forever young Supreme Ruler would bring?
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>>5308537
Well, choosing something other than outright refusal will certainly help with relations with the Aristocats, which prevents another front from opening up. Super-advanced bio-tech is also probably going to advance our society in a lot of ways, even militarily if it can allow us to make super-duper supersoldiers or increase our people's intelligence and aptitudes in a variety of fields beyond the limits of their current biology.
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>>5308546
I can argue for it, but nobody can PROVE it, until the machine is brought back to Jaxt to study and utilize.
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>>5308355
God I Fucking hate you so fucking much.
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>>5308430
She doesn't want to be a homemaker because she wants to be the Supreme.
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>>5308456
>Counteroffer
They are ultra materialistic. Offer to sell the Life Machine to them for advanced technology. THeir tech will be advanced enough we could beat the Esaal and/or Consortium with it.
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>>5308546
The Life Machine doesn't just heal, it can fully transform any lifeform into another. We could have a factory of custom-made hypermonkes with star sight and superpowers.

Fuck we could MAKE entire species for custom purposes. The Life Machine is basically op magic suerhax. I am only not taking the deal because out of universe I am tired of the Hegemony's amorality and want to take the "Paragon" choice for once.
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>>5308456
>Farro
They probably would get along well, they even both like music.
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>>5308674
>For an Aristocrat, whose mind may merge with machine, it has the power to bring forth any life
>For an Aristocrat
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>>5308674
Also
>>Paragon
>Selling our capitan for xenotech
>Wanting to create species for custom purposes
>>Paragon
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>>5308713
I said I DIDN'T want to do that.

I did the write in where we sell the life machine back for access to all their technology.

But that's a morality based choice. Logically the life machine is the clear choice.
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Think of the biofuel microbes we could create. Or microbes that feed on and cleanse an rea of industrial waste.

Or heinous zombie viruses. Or biomeat monsters.
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>>5308577
The machine is not worth the dignity and the problem it will cause.
The only disease that really afects us is the cells one that everyone gets as they age, outside of that there is nothing, and with the Threemind and us making things more secure against Consortium spies, I hardly belive any terrorist organization would try to repeate the Agori plot.
Outside of that, let me make an educated guess: since the machine can restore youth we would face the problem of an immortal Supreme Leader, outside of that, I reackon there would be a choice on how overt we would use it, secretive use would most likelly lead to social upheavel when they learn we had immortality and kept it secret while overt use will make the class-racial war worse.
The worm offered us more for far less and we killed it, have some dignity.
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>>5308732
Again, *an aristocrat* can change into whatever the fuck they want - aristocrat being these disgusting cybernetic monstrosities who are somehow less natural than the fucking space worms
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>>5308734
Exactly, this machine is going to fuck things up massively. You've all seen how fucked these people got from being able to use these machines, right? And the Hazaar, who literally removed their mirror neurons, turning them int othe ancaps of today.
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>>5308760
Let's also not forget that we will soon fight a war, I don't think most of our subjects would take the chance to die once we stop ageing.
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>>5308767
Generally speaking, the only thing i can see that would actually benefit us would be if we learned a way to combat GPCS, but the problem with that is that GPCS comes from the old cells, so it would be hard to do it without just making everyone young
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>>5308734
Out entire philosophy is against entropy. Unlocking immortality is literally the purpose of our nation.

That said I am not selling slaves on principle. I stand by my write in to sell the life machine back to them in exchange for all their technology
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>>5308771
Of course it would be the key to stop GPCS, but we made do with 110 years of lifespan fine enough and our earlier rulers had less than a human's, the Hegmony will go on regardless.
Imagine if we chose the doctor path for Kima instead and she discovered a cure, doesn't matter now, but it's a fun idea.
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>>5308788
>but it's a fun idea.
I doubt it, the AI would have still chosen for her to be changed into doing something else - it was literally going to murder her hamster if she continued to exercise too hard.

Literally the entire sidequest was completely railroaded, when it came to Kima. Bananas said it himself that no matter what happened the AI would have still manipulated them both. I'm pretty sure the only thing that actually came out of it that could have changed was finding about the spies.
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>>5308794
It's an idea, nothing more.
I do wander what POV we will have in whatever side-quest will be next. Their format is perfect for flashing out the world so I expect it to be used again.
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>>5308456
5308456
After reading the arguments, I think I’ll go with…
>Nobody, you can have the machine.
Just take one last scan and hand it over.
The literal Supreme is right out, Jale does not fall ‘within their sensibilities’, and Farro represents invaluable institutional experience in ship to ship combat and captaining we’re going to really need soon enough.
And we’re the Hegemony. Not a single Jaxtian will be made a slave under our watch!

Failing that,
>Farro

(Also, one incredible immortality machine, I strongly suspect, will probably have really severe monkey paw civil conflict style problems down the line as we start murdering each other over it.)

>>5308664
Saying that unfortunately doesn’t prove anything. :(
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Now then…
>>5308430
1. I do not want nor need to back hand or insinuate anything. In >>5308032, I directly called you rude and offensive. If you do not want me to do so, don’t Strongly Imply that entire existent communities, mine included, cannot raise their kids to ‘flourish and not flounder’ because we don’t raise children in the ‘necessary’ strictly atomised families, or that we have a harder time of it either. Similarly, if you want to insult me, don’t waste bandwidth and just insult me, although don’t expect much to come of it without hard proof.
And I don’t know what you mean about the not addressing me part.

2.>>5306362
>>5306444
>>5306475
>>5307109


To repeat my point from the beginning:

I assert, and several others, that the Hegemony and the AI is sexist and misogynistic. To support that I assert that the actions the AI took with regards to Kima, in railroading her into being a home maker, is misogynistic. Again, my issue is not with being a full time housewife, it is with having the choice to be so or not entirely removed; it would be just as misogynistic to remove that option entirely. The reason why I was elaborating on various technological and family-based alternatives to turning Kima into a full time housewife is not because those options are superior (which would be misogynistic in itself, or at least bigoted), but to try to explain why the actions of the AI are not ‘pragmatic’ or ‘necessary’ but simply one option of several heavily enforced because of its inherent biases. Hence ‘could’, not ‘should’.

If you want to accuse me of projecting all over the thread and failing to account for my unconscious biases, provide hard evidence and I will defend myself, instead of just throwing phrases at me.

3. Immediately accusing me of various failings instead of defending yourself is rather unhelpful.
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You know, if I wanted someone to give a precious artefact back I wouldn’t first expound on its miraculous properties, and if I was so important and wealthy I wouldn’t go to meet foreigners in one lightly armed craft.

Strange.
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>>5308887
This thing (and i refuse to call it an man) is an several millenia year old hedonist noble with access to limitless biotech.
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>>5308456
honestly why are they even trading trying to get this machine back if they dont already have access to these and cant we use this machine to cure of us of this aliment
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>>5308924
Its not like the mask of the unspeakable if its not something rare not able to be made i am whats the word peeved there is no attempt to take our own path i expect the replacement machine would be of lesser quality or not function anyways lies are a thing be it white or black lies
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>>5308849
I still am strongly shilling for my "Sell the Machine back to them" write in.
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>>5308963
Good idea.
>Fine…, you can have the machine. For a price.
Failing that.
>Farro
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>>5308924
I think they have a bunch of these lying around it's just that this specific one has cultural heritage.
If that is correct when we sell the Life Machine Back to them we should get a more modern one on return.
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>>5308971
the question is why would this deal be done more then a lie for its amusement
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>>5308969
We can't sell it to them because the fucker poisoned us with his stupid spores
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>>5308456
>Farro
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>>5308456
I believe anons have lost perspective on what this Life Machine technology really means for the Hegemony (up to and including literal Space Marine memes), and decided to do away with the ruthless pragmatic choice (again). I hope Cijan has better sense than them.

Unless the real answer was to give the Aristocrat a replicated two stringed Cajamat, and have Farro give him lessons as our official diplomat. Man, would we be stupid to give up the Life Machine without giving that idea a try.
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>>5308971
I don’t think that plan is going to work anon, still a decent write in though.
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>>5309011
Well, there was no write-in in the first place...
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>>5309011
Chaning my answer to this.
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>>5308971
>>5308924
They also don't want the technology getting out to others, I believe. Like, as a society. This PARTICULAR aristocrat seems to be willing to make a trade because he can save face by pretending he never rediscovered the missing machine, and because he's bored and wants to own a Jaxtian.
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>>5308978
If we can buy the Life Machine with a Monke we can sell a Life Machine for technology.
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>>5309027
I think you forgot the
>This is the only thing we Aristocrats cannot abide- we cannot share this technology with anyone. It is ours and ours alone.
thing.
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"My lord, why are you hesitating?!"
"Be quiet, Farro."
"I can't! Don't you remember the Left Cruiser? My men were on that ship- they died to bring us here safely! Are you really going to come back home empty handed?"
"We are engaged in negotiations now, Val. Please-"
"Please my lord- think about it logically! We have so much to gain from this- this is your dream- for your legacy as a ruler. You're too important and Jale has a family back home; I don't. The choice is obvious. It will work out okay."
"..."
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>>5308500
Anons should also think of the precedent this sets. The Supreme Ruler makes a decision to decline a foreign Xeno’s request, alien then poisons the Supreme Ruler and starts giving demands, and the Supreme Ruler buckles like wet paper. Not only is giving him the Life Machine the worst precedent we could ever set with regards to our foreign policy, I would argue that it’s out of character for any Supreme to give in to an outside power’s demands.
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>>5309064
The obvious answer is to refuse to ever have personal meetings with xenos ever again and just wage xenocide against anyone outside of out clusters

Literally nothing good has come out of meeting with these other xenos
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>>5309057
>appoint Farro as cultural ambassador to the GCPS
>grant Farro a golden ring
>tell Ully to take good care of him, or risk the wrath of a future aggression
>also ask if Ully can fix Farro's traditional instrument

Farro basically volunteered himself, do we have any golden rings to give him right now? Or do we have to give it to him back at Jaxt in absentia? Hell, maybe even give an improptu ring-giving/send-off ceremony, to amuse Ully.
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>>5309068
Several major technological innovations and starsight aside. Also a badass duel with a giant worm.

>>5309070
Supporting.
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>>5309070
Changing my vote to support this.
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>>5309073
The "technological innovations", if you can call it that, came mostly from our cluster. The hazaar had to be conquered, and the Migrators are barely xenos, with them being in our system.

Basically, every single xeno race *outside* our cluster - that is, all races except The Migrators, the Vetuckers and the Swall, have been bad in some way or another.

The Esaal want to conquer everything, the Consortium is the literal (((Worm))) Golem and now the only people left, whom we thought could be possible allies, turn out to be a bunch of degenerate hedonists whose sole purpose is seeking their next hit of dopamine to escape the ennui of immortality.

Like holy fuck, they're all bad. There hasn't been a SINGLE good alien society. I mean, the hegemony is bad, but holy fuck these people are horrible. I say we nuke everything and genocide everyone except the green, the yellow, the blue and the fish.

And i do include the hazaar. fuck them. the only good one is bluey, and even he agrees that the hazaar suck.
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>>5309086
> Ethics shift -> Fanatical Authoritarian Materialists -> Authoritarian Materialistic Xenophobe
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>>5309070
Support
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>>5309057
>Farro
Heroism is willingly sacrificing yourself for something greater than yourself. Farro.
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>>5309086
>Bluey
>Good
He is unstable as fuck and is torturing an entire civilization to get off.
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As an aside, if a supreme ever does become an eternal through the use of gene tech, they'd be a candidate to join the fancy gentleman's club.
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>>5309086
If the Esaal are evil then we are, we're pretty similar.
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>>5309057
>Farro, you are too noble for your own good. Very well. Farro, it is you.

>When we get back home, create a clone of Farro to ensure the continuity of his genetic line. It'll be interesting to see a blonde clone.
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>>5309233
>blonde clone
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>>5309233
We can onky make indigos
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>>5309236
Only*
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>>5309235
>>5309236
The indigo fur color isn't a genetic trait though.
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"Cijan! Jale hissed. "What are you doing?! Are you seriously considering give Farro over to this thing?!"

"Do you see another way?"

"I can't allow this- why are you sending a captain, one of the best in the Hegemony, to be some creature's pet?! Send me instead!"

"Jale... It can't be you. You aren't even of a high birth."

"You know, for "one of the smartest supremes ever", you sure do act like a fucking idiot!"

"You dare to speak to your master in that way?"

"When you're being an idiot, yes! You could literally just lie! It doesn't know shit about us, our people! I could just suddenly admit I'm actually the long lost son of Akule and this creature would be sold! It would do anything to get to keep me. I'm a nobody musclehead- you're the Emperor and Farro is a starship captain. It only makes the most sense!"

"NOBODY knows Akule's bloodline Jale. That's why he is Unspeakable. Besides, you have a family..."

"A family? What family? My Son who decided to move planets when I was away in hypersleep? Not that I blame him- I've been a terrible Dad! Always off doing missions. And look at me, by the time we get back, I'll be the same age as him, at least biologically speaking. My wife will be old enough to be my mother too- and if this life machine is what it's cracked up to be- I might even outlive my son too. Don't you get it? What kind of a father-son relationship is that?! Just tell him I died in battle against an alien threat- that legend would be a better father figure to raise him then me!"

"Enough. I will hear no more of your self pity."

"...What about the other option, what about resistance? My lord- that thing is only as big as a Hazaar, I could take it. I could strangle out its little neck. You could just pretend to choose me, I walk over, and bam!"

"Jale- if it can do this to us, do you really want to touch it? The Aristocrats probably sweat neurotoxins that cause instant death- if not something worse."

"Has my company finished talking amongst themselves yet? I do hate to be kept waiting..."
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>>5309384
Hmm, well, i'm not sure. I mean, he's got a point that Farro is more valuable, though at the same time i do fear that his fate will be far worse than his under this degenerate, due to his lack of musical training.
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Unfortunately, we can’t just threaten to kill them if they go through on their threat. If we weren’t on the edge of a two front war, this ridiculousness would be well worth hostilities.
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>>5309410
True, but Jale does have a point that Farro *is* more valuable than him, especially when we're just about to have an war.
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>>5309416
Yeah…
But there are two issues.
First, IC, Farro is a highborn musician. Jale is not.
Second, Jale has a family, Farro does not.
And third, though not as important as a space captain, a leader for our infantry will also be valuable considering the Essal have proven willing to fight at all ranges.

Ergo, if we want brute practicality, send Jale, but if we want any chance of retrieving the person we send eventually, send Farro.
And we, the Hegemony, *will* come back for our own.

I just hate the fact we’ll have to sell out some of our best and brightest. :(

(And OOC, although I’m not accounting for it, I think Radjo is about to go full Sorcerer on us in the oncoming civil strife and selling his dad might not be a good idea. But that’s metagaming.)
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…….three issues. Three. I can count, I swear.
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>>5309419
I wouldn't count on coming back for them - this trip took a damn long while, through hostile territory, and these fucks are freaks. Whoever we send, we're not getting back.
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>>5309426
For better or worse, I suspect if they like our tribute enough, he’ll be around for a long, long time.
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>>5309430
And yet he probably won't be found easily...
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>>5309432
Depends on what we offer, and how many guns we can point at them. (Once we’re not otherwise occupied, of course).
See how much they want to gamble their precious immortality.
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>>5309384
Jale does have a point here. Hmm.

...Though is part of this the 'regenerator' taking effect, stripping him of some of his reverence for authority?
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>>5309479
>stripping him of some of his reverence for authority?
Yeah, this is what i'm saying - the pink guy said the hazaar literally fried their mirror neurons;
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>>5309384
Jale is wrong. We CAN'T just lie to this being. We never told it of Akule or his mask, did we? The Aristocrat scanned our records and then learned this, probably using its super cyborg brain. Besides, we MAY need to negotiate with this Society again. Farro is the better choice to keep this being and its faction happy and willing tontrade or ally in the future.
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>>5309384
>My wife will be old enough to be my mother too
I thought Jaxtian males married wonen much younger than them. Wouldn’t this change put them near equal in age, or am I underestimating the change in age?
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>>5309530
>wonen
women
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>>5309530
True, but Jale has been getting on his years, and this rejuvenator has turned him *very* young - Radjo's age, ergo, if he's the age of his own, his wife would be pold enough to be his mother.
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>>5309497
I think it's a mind reader.
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>>5309384
Good point, but anons tend not to change their votes after they’ve cast them.
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>>5309784
Honestly, i just feel Farro will be better off with this guy - it's bad and all, but given he's an music freak, farro might be able to at least pass of by just using his music knowledge.

Jale, on the other hand, would probably be dumped in some horrid fighting pit, or some other worse horrid degenerate fate
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>>5309780
It doesn't NEED to read minds, when ti can do this...

>>5307650
>“Checking FTL communications networks. Checking Jaxtian “Hegemony”. Creating timeline of events. Simulating. In the meantime; questions for the Supreme Ruler.”
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”Alright, Ully'Andule, fellow Highborn. I've decided. Farro Val will stay with you; but he is not your pet. He will be our official diplomat with your society- the liaison to the Hegemony.”

“You mean the blonde one? He's so small and cute! But can he please me?”

”Hold on. There is one thing I must do first. Jale, I will need your strength for this. Take Farro's belt...”

Twisted into shape, and pressed into form, the belt becomes a band. Farro raises his arm.

”As the Supreme Ruler, I bestow upon you the right and privilege to wear a golden band on your right arm; to signify your bravery in battle, acts of diplomacy, and upholding the dignity of our race...”

The alien seems curious, but says nothing. But Farro says nothing. And then, a moment later, your captain turns around and for seemingly no reason, begins to sing.
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”There once was a girl, fur so fair-
That all the people loved her, just she twirl her hair.
Every boy courted her, but none caught her eye,
for she had fallen for a lovely little lie~

For each night in summertime,
That down from the clouds, cross starry sky,
There would be a trail- a silver flame!
And it was said this flame could make a love; put all others to shame!”

“And so the girl went to dance,
the silver flame, its magic did entrance,
and in a single night she spun and spun,
and she saw her perfect mate; who loved to laugh and have fun!”

“And they danced and danced until the sun came again;
and he said he must leave, she grinned ear to ear;
only to find in her water's reflection-
that she had somehow danced a hundred years- past her recollection!”

“Her beautiful fur had turned all gray,
her womanly charms had faded away-
But not sad or hopeless was she-
In fact she was happy, content, even giddy.”

“And everyone every did ask-
What could this mean? Is her mind still in the past?
That most never have truest love, not even a chance-
For she never lived a day until she had that dance.”


”SQUEE! Please, please let me keep him! It has to be him! Oh pleasepleaseplease~”

You can see how uncomfortable Farro is- with it rubbing itself all over him. You don't blame him- this creature has the power of a God, practically, but acts like a spoiled child. Greed and tantrums and all.

”...I can also teach you how to play the Cajamat, if you'd wish. Sadly, this one is broken. You'll have to make a new one.”
“Oh don't worry, my lovely little blonde pet. I can do that.”

And with that, you willingly leave your companion here with Ully'Andule, the Aristocrat. It feels wrong, but with the Life Machine in tow, the potential to change the lives of the Jaxtian people forever is in your grasp. You tell your new captain to set a course back home- and needing to avoid the Baalathi space in the event of another Warp-Blocker, it will take a little longer to reach Jaxt. You'll even avoid coming out of Hyperspace as you shoot past the Hazaar star cluster. It's time for the long road home...
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You are now Kerjak Falathane.

You are a Mainlander Jaxtian, and a State Philosopher. You're high enough in the ladder to not only learn and teach high level political concepts, barred from normal citizenry, but you're even considered when it comes to matter of state. Though you feel that your consideration is being less valued then it should be, especially considering who is currently running the Hegemony at the moment...

You live on one of the many hundreds of floating cities- a four leaf flower ocean habitat platform of the planet Jaxt, your species homeworld. While most Jaxtians prefer to live on land, especially in a forest or around trees as your natural habitat, you like the sea. The smell of the ocean spray, the cleanness of the air, and the rocking gentle motion almost totally eliminated by the platforms advanced gravity and shock absorption. Of course, even if you did live on the land among the trees, you wouldn't feel like you were in your natural place.

You aren't actually a pure Jaxtian. You, and your entire species, have been infused with alien DNA- the migrators suspension gene. Soon, a new genome belonging to the Vetuck will also enter the population as well on mass- not just young alphas. There probably isn't a single pure Jaxtian left. You don't even hate the migrators; but it comes down a simple principle- if Jaxtians keep infusing themselves with alien DNA, then there are no more Jaxtians, but just hybrids, inbetweens. The aliens remain purely alien, the Jaxtians not. What does it even mean to be a Jaxtian? The same applies to your entire society.

In recent times, the spread of a new political ideology of your species Supremacy has taken hold. In many ways, you are at the forefront of this spread. This belief, stemming from a political book known as the The Supremacy of the Jaxtian Species, is that your genetic and racial Hegemony is what allowed your government and people's success. Every day, every year, this is threatened and challenged. Soon we will be on equal terms with a Hazaar majority star cluster- the Hazaar Vassal state. Within our own borders, and our own culture. When is enough enough?
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You and the current acting Supreme, Hwat Dulioan, are working on an accord. An agreement, to fuse the ideals of your beliefs with his own; but there is but one question. Do you believe this accord will actually work... or should you kill him? Should you take the mantle of Supremacy yourself? You ask this not out of spite, but out of potential necessity.

You don't want to kill him. The truth is, you have great reverence and respect for the office of the Supreme- your traditions as a people. But the problem is that Hwat's influence is too great- and he is too close to Cijan for him to reign him in enough- they are like brothers. When Cijan returns, the Hegemony will continue to run along the tracks that Hwat has set in place; and with his damn wonderdaughter everyone talks about, it is highly likely he will be grandfather to another Supreme at some point in the future. His influence is too strong- the death of your race's solidarity in exchange for market prophecy- in exchange for some damn golden age myth and capitalist perversion!

The accord you are working on with him; a document to reduce the unsupervised power of the Hegemony, is meant to bridge the gap between you two. It's good- but you are still capitulating. You are still finding a common ground; your people have already given ground too much. Xin. The Hazaar colonies and Vassal State. Alien DNA. How much more ground are you going to give? Would the Esaal give ground to their conquered host species? No? And that is the reason why the Esaal remain Esaal, and not [i\Consortium...

Your allies, the Supremacists, are made up of Enforcers, high level administrators, Hegemonic control officers, and military members. If anyone could stage a successful coup, it would be you.

Do you actually want to?

>Kill Hwat Dulioan
>Give Peace a chance
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>>5309989
>Kill Hwat Dulioan
I want to see what comes of this.
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>>5309989
>Kill Hwat Dulioan
From a totally outside perspective, I wouldn't want to. But c'mon, it's a supremacist.
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>Kill Hwat Dulioan

……IC, this is the only war to preserve what we love.

We can compromise today. Find a middle ground- but we’ll still be further, further from who we are and what we were. Every generation will change us, every new alien and genetic innovation, and every time this conflict will happen again and again.

And every time we compromise, and strike a middle ground, we still inherently stray a little further.

Greed will last forever. With the path we’re walking right now, our identity will not.

So no. There are three things- passion, evil, time- that you should *suffer no compromise with*.

(Oh boy lads. Time for civil war.)
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One one point, i *do* want the Supremacists to succeed, but won't this just lead to Cijan coming back and absolutely murdering them? He'll just kill them all because he has control of the AI as Supreme Ruler.

The point is, would this actually save Jaxt from Xeno garbage?
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In fact, wouldn't this just be even worse for supremacy? Won't Cijan - and whatever super-monkey that kima is able to birth, just be against supremacy no matter how good it is solely on the basis that "they murdered hwat and orchestrated a coup"?

Won't this just lead to jaxtian society going all the other way around and cracking down on xenophiles because they rebelled? Fuck's sake, what'll happen after that? A fucking hazaar supreme?
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We know it’s possible to take Rulership through murder- the AI dismissed Hwat’s wife because it didn’t think her capable, not because it’s impossible.

So yes.
Once we kill Hwat with our own knife, we will be the Supreme, and that’s enough time to prepare.
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>>5310018
Yes, but then what happens? Cijan comes in with an actual navy, and murders them all because he has control of the AI as supreme ruler? He doesn't have an entire fleet like he does.

Even if he murders him, won't Cijan be able to just take him down? Or at least bring an horrible civil war due to his massive military assets?
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>>5310016
Well, the point of a coup is to stop this from happening.
Kerjak fears diplomacy cannot stop the process, just slow it, and there’s a point to delaying a loss by fifty years instead of five- but violence could prevent one altogether, provided they win.

There’s literally a special knife for Supremes who *murdered their predecessors*. The Jaxtians are much more brutal than they let on, so violence is a solution. Ergo, IC I think Kerjak is more likely to get what he wants by doing the former.
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>>5310020
Cijak currently has two ships to his name, and doesn’t know about what we’re about to do.
If we coup and kill Hwat, then what happens next depends on whether he manages to warn Cijak or not.
A. Does not. Cijak comes back with two ships. We kill him on the spot with a space navy before he ever realises what’s going on.
B. He does. Horrifying civil war ensues.

But it’s better than a slow death. (And a good story.)
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>>5310022
You have a point, but at the same time, is it really the best moment to act? Like, if it was just Cijan it would be fair, but my worry is the fact that Cijan is literally coming home with
>two entire cruisers
>an entire army
>probably the ability to command the AI
If kerjak able to take over the AI, then he could win, because the threemind could just take over the ships - but won't Cijan be able to say "fuck no, i'm back, the AI is mine"?

That's my worry - that this would just trigger a civil war that ends with supremacy being reviled.
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And before you say
>he doesn't have the collar
The AI doesn't need to obey the collar - it didn't obey Hwat's wife because it knew she didn't actually kill him. It could very well say "lmao no, cijan is the real ruler, i'll obey him instead"
>>5310024
Hwat can't warn him because he's in hypersleep - literally all that matters is whether the AI will bow or not
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>>5310027
To be perfectly honest, you raise a really good OOC question that I can’t answer. What you’re saying could happen, or they could not, and I can’t say what’s more likely. I’m just throwing my vote based off what Kerjak would want- and someone big on Jaxtian honour would likely prefer a brutal, winner takes all conflict than a slow death.

If Supremacy can’t win a war against the bloody capitalists, after all, then we were never Supreme to begin with. (The trap of all bigots.)
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>>5310029
Yeah….
From the way the AI put it, I think killing Hwat personally actually would be enough. But I don’t know.
But I assume Kerjak and his allies have a plan for that, though I can’t say if its good.
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>Kill Hwat
Because I don't want the Hegemony to compromise with the Supremacists.
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>>5309989
>Give Peace a chance

Holy fuck Yuan is literally playing you Supremacists like a damn fiddle. He created this entire situation with his political books exclusively to promote strife in Jaxtian society. You would have to be brain-dead to think a civil war would be a good thing.
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>>5310035
But even *if* they do, how will they deal with Cijan? He has an entire *army*, not to mention Bluey's loyalty.

Fuck, this is *not* the right time for an coup. Not when Cijan is about to come back - not when he can start a civil war and get us triple invades.
>Can't we just bide our time for a better opportunity?
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>>5309989
>Give Peace a chance
Don't want Yuan to fuck us over.
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>>5310037
Of course you don't, you hazaarphile - were it up to you, we'd have xeno supremes
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>>5310039
Like I said, OOC future unclear and extremely dangerous.
But IC.
What would Kerjak do?
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>>5310039
I agree that it's his plan - but the supremacists are literally right. The thing is, this is literally the worst possible time to rebel because there is a returning army.. But i dont want the other vote to succeed
>Give peace a chance
This is *the only* way Jaxtian Supremacy might win in the end.
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Why isn't my post appearing? I posted
>give peace a chance
Because this is literslly the worst possible time for an coup - when cijan returns, it'll cause a civil war

We CANT strike now, can we? It'll just be worse for jaxtian supremacy in the end.
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>>5310045
All options presented by the QM are valid IC actions, it is up for us the players to determine which is best. Miss me with your gay "muh roleplay" shit. Bananas has overridden things in the past based on character personalities but I doubt this is such a time or this would not be a vote.
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>>5309989
>Give Peace a chance
Committing a coup against the reigning Supreme Ruler and killing the father of the current Supreme Ruler’s life? This will backfire on them, hard. Cijan would never let such a precedent stand, and it will cause a purge of unheard of proportions of Jaxians, to be replaced by Xenos (and that’s if they don’t decide to follow your example and revolt outright). Not to mention destroying the unbroken tradition that has held the Hegemony together since it’s inception. This is altogether a stupid plan to go through with IC.

Plus, if you want to destroy the economy and actually WANT to use the Max-Mind and other Xenos for their purpose, you don’t want to put an racist economic illiterate on the fucking throne.
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>>5309989
>Give Peace a chance

I think the Supremecists are cool but this is terrible timing with war coming.
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>>5309989
Also
>Maybe you should read the Phenology of Capital, just to better understand Hwat and his economists
Hell, maybe he’ll even realize that they were written by the same author and if he was really politically savvy, he’d realize that the only person to publicly state that he’d write more than one political-philosophical works was Yuan. Just imagine the emotional fallout from THAT revelation.
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>>5310050
That’s fair.
I more meant ‘try to put yourself in Kerjak’s place and puzzle it out from there’, but as we can see from the time I proposed to do ridiculous things because I wanted to see that happen, even I don’t think that’s the premiere of decision making, so I probably shouldn’t be telling people otherwise.
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Rolled 16, 95, 68 = 179 (3d100)

>>5309989
>Give Peace a chance

Wouldn't want to pull a Kennedy. Wouldn't be prudent, not at this juncture.
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>>5310043
The office of the Supreme should go to the most qualified talent, regardless of their biological nature.
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>>5310039
Like I said earlier, its The Dark Knight Joker plan. If Yuan is right about the Jataxian's being violent egotistical racists of course they would take the bait and go full Beer Hall Putsch. The only way to stop him is to NOT be total dicks.
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>>5309989
>Give Peace a chance
If we're gonna overcome the heat death of the universe. We need to become more than Jaxtian.
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>>5309989
>Give Peace a chance
The Hegemony is ultimately in our control, as Jaxtians, and we can't let ourselves lose sight of its sacred hierarchy.
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>>5310052
I like how people keep saying there's a mega war coming when Bananas spent multiple posts above during the Esaal part saying that Cijan's actions would NOT violate the NAP they established.
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>>5310043
Hazaar ARE pretty conceptually neat, but I'd still rather pilot monkes.
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>>5310083
The Worms man. Ifthe Cyte encapsulates the Sun that Jaxt orbits around, things are gonna pop off.
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>>5310051
>destroying the unbroken tradition
Seizing power through coups is so acceptable that the Hegemony has a specific style of traditional dress for Supremes who gain power this way.
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>>5309989
>Kill Hwat Dulioan
weak ruler.
Also
>Cijan, Jale, and anyone who has been in contact with them takes a spin in the life machine to get rid of the artisocrat's bioweapon

>>5310040
>But even *if* they do, how will they deal with Cijan?
bow to him. that is enough. we kill for the office of acting supreme, which is enough (otherwise Hwat's bad decisions won't be stopped by Cijan, and if we go too extreme, Cijan will balance that), and if it's not, we duel Cijan.
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>>5310016
>A fucking hazaar supreme?
Bingo.

>>5310027
The necklace controls the AI. Whoever controls the necklace, controls the AI (at least until Cijan wakes up). Even then, you have a couple years to reorder society to your liking. You could do a lot in a couple years (even ruin the Hegemony’s economy to the brink of disaster like Nazi Germany irl).

>>5310040
And you would have an even bigger army with the population and industrial might to back it up. The best time is now, while Cijan slumbers.
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>>5310055
I think the more pertinent question is why Hwat hasn’t told Kerjak that a xeno wrote his ideology. Like, that would neutralize the threat he poses while cause the least amount of damage possible. I’m surprised Hwat would let this escalate to this degree without throwing a wrench into his ideology.

Also, wasn’t Hwat in charge of the Enforcers before he became Supreme-lite? Like, he was the mega-defensive strategy genius that led them? You’d think they would hold more loyalty to him than a rando State Philosopher.

>>5310083
It may not happen during Cijan’s reign, but it will happen after, certainly.

>>5310092
Coup is about the illegal seizure of power. Dueling for it is totally legit (man I miss Eoba II).
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>>5310157
>I’m surprised Hwat would let this escalate to this degree without throwing a wrench into his ideology
I suppose we could have included that in our vote when we were guiding his response to this threat. We didn't. Would he have Kerjak have believed it?

>Coup is about the illegal seizure of power. Dueling for it is totally legit (man I miss Eoba II).
Eoba II assassinated Agori. It was not a duel.
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>>5310165
We could show him the metadata, and if that failed, have Yuan confirm it in person. It would be quite the epic confrontation.

>Eoba II assassinated Agori. It was not a duel.
Eoba II was also named as Agori’s successor by Agori, so his ascendency can be mostly attributed to that little tidbit.
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>>5309989
>Give Peace a chance
Attempting a coup is exactly what Yuan wants. We can bring up our worries for the species' future from the Supremacists' standpoint at the negotiating table.
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>>5309989
>Give Peace a chance
You know, for all the talks about racial unity and supremacy, Kerjak's faction seems to act less like the NSDAP and more like the Codreanu lead Iron Guard, it would be a shame to have them go full retard revolution.
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>>5309989
>Give Peace a chance
Let's please not plunge our society into a pointless civil war when we have so many other threats external and internal to contend with?
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>>5309989
>Give Peace a chance
His ideology sounds retarded and we don't need a coup right now.
>>5310016
>A fucking hazaar supreme?
There is probably a reason why Yuan got pregnant with one of the rare yellow hazaars with superior intelligence, it's obvious that he want an exceptionnal hazaar to take over once the Hegemony is destabilized
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>>5308447
>“It's a solar energy collection device or platform; much like the ones we have right here in Aristocrat space. But that's the rub- it's stationary! It exists in the galaxy as a fixed point around its star! Well, as stationary as anything can get in the Lotus Galaxy! But do not be concerned by their empty threats- it is of not threat to anyone.”
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>>5309989
>>Give Peace a chance
I bet bannans would have Hwat kill him and end out shit. this is the best chance to survive.
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>hurrdurr supremacy is bad
Now, while the book itself is poisoned...literally what the fuck is wrong? How the hell is he not right? How could the hegemony happen with anyone BUT Jaxtians? The Hegemony IS Jaxtian - without them it would collapse.

The idea that the hegemony is "hurrr durr, muh unibersalist transracial blind state" is the most retarded thing i have ever seen and clear fucking ideology from morons who just plain wish to destroy jaxtian culture.

While this is ultimately a bad time to rebel due to Cijan being on his way home with a literal army (thus stopping kerjak from being able to take out everyone with a single attack) the idea that we should let Jaxtians become a minority in their own nation solely because of a bunch of stupid economists is beyond fucking stupid.

Why in the sam hell are we DEPOPULATING? WE LITERALLY CONQUERED A HUGE QUANTITY OF SPACE, AND WE'RE DEPOPULATING OURSELVES, *WHILE CREATING MORE HAZAAR*? What the FUCK? What the FUCK is Hwat doing?
>b-but he agreed to limit the movement of xenos
Yeah...EXCEPT THE FUCKING HAZAAR, THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE ANY REAL SIGNIFICANT POPULATION

What the HELL are we doing
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>>5310378
Kek.
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>>5310378
Almost not one want to make the Hegemony truly multicultural, it's still a "jaxtian first" empire.
Pro-xeno voters just want them as vassals and minorities able to live up to their full potential (except being a Supreme Ruler) to strenghten us, the Hehemony is still and should stay mostly for Jaxtians but loyal aliens have their place in it.
Kerjan is litteraly seething about stupid stuff like muh alien DNA (when cryosleep and super strong Alphas are strong advantages) and the Haazar vassal state, he's not being a reasonable voice against radical xenophilia.
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>>5310414
>being against an gigantic state of rapidly producing, rapidly growing, completely unrestricted (hwant wants to keep hazaar free from movement restrictions) is dumb
>being against not only doing this but actively depopulating your own race while you fill up perfectly good worlds with xenos is dumb
Are you stupid

Golden Age economists are literally trying to turn jaxtians into a minority because "muh profit", Hwat is literally a neoliberal who cares more about profit than improving the jaxtian people's situation
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>>5310417
We always controlled our pop growth, we're not in a territorial expansion phase (the reconquista is for hazaars) so avoiding overpopulation is normal but that's all populations, we're not specifically degrowing the Jaxtians and the Hazaars can only reproduce when the government want it too (and reducing it is something that Kerjan could ask if he is willing to negociate)
Allowing the Hazaars hybrids to move to other worlds is also more productive and less potentially divisive than letting Xin be mostly inhabited by the Hazaars.
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>>5310417
In fairness, I, a voter who’s partial to more xeno integration, actually do what want more xeno integration and less excessive brutality, but definitely have no aspirations about replacing the Jaxtians as the rulers, because that way lies a loss of a lot of things that make the Hegemony unique in sci fi.

But I am also fairly puzzled by what Hwat is doing. Maybe it’s because that planet is literally a plantation world? Or some silliness about the Hazaar protectorate being mostly filled with Hazaar?

Depopulation when we can, at minimum, build deep sea arcologies seems a bit strange too.
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>>5310420
>The reconquista is for hazaars
Why? You're talking about an entire vassal state of rapidly growing, rapidly reproducing aliens who dont need to care about what happens to children.
>we're not specifically degrowing the Jaxtian
Hwat literally said they were going to depopulate - and yet at the same time, they continue to make more and more hazaar hybrids
>and reducing it is something that Kerjan could ask
Except "give peace a chance" is probably just going to lead to Hwat's plan of golden age continuing.
>letting Xin be mostly inhabited by the Hazaars.
Except hwat literally wants hazaar movement to be unrestricted
>>5310421
Hwat is an golden age economist, which means he just wants to LARP as talacent, and hazaar are basically the equivalent of third world scab workers

Furthermore, hazaar are incompatible with "xeno integration" because their growth is so retardedly easy all it takes is a single generation of unrestricted hazaar growth for their population to double, triplicate or even more.
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>>5310424
You seem to be under the very strange assumption that Hazaar breeding is uncontrolled when literally every single Hazaar except Bluey are kept in chastity cages 24/7- so much so the sound of jingling keys turns them on.
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>>5310425
It doesn't matter that it's controlled when they keep fucking making more of them. There is literally an entire industry built around hazaar breeding. And hwat wants to make their movement unrestricted.

The Hegemony controls *everyone's* breeding - jaxtians literally need breeding licenses. And what's happening is that Hwat wants to decrease jaxtians while increasing hazaar
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>>5310267
As a history nerd could you please go I to the iron guard comparison?
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>>5310378
The Supremacy is bad because demographic supremacy is a fundamentally flawed ideology. It would be like putting flat worlders in charge of our space program.
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>>5310503
>The Supremacy is bad because demographic supremacy is a fundamentally flawed ideology.
Why?

Or do you mean to tell me that an fucking hazaar could run the hegemony? Or that we are in any way equal with the worms, or the aristocrats, or those consortium puppets?
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>>5310503
This is your brain on DIE, folks.
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>>5310515
Any member of the Hegemony assessed to be skilled enough should be a candidate for any position. From janitor to nuclear engineer.

A planetary hivemind was a qualified candidate for head of science . A fishstacean was qualifed to run a cabinet department. It is clear that Jataxians aren't inherently better at jobs than Xenos. Therefore favoring Jataxians for positions on the basis of their species rather than their qualifications only undermines getting the job done.
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>>5310595
>Any member of the Hegemony assessed to be skilled enough should be a candidate for any position.
A retarded concept that will lead to our downfall.
>A planetary hivemind was a qualified candidate for head of science
Yes, and the son of a man murdered by aliens was qualified to be head of xeno integration, but that doesn't mena it's a good fucking idea, you stupid retard
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>>5310595
>>5310596
Xenos should be allowed to become even Overseers but not Supremes.
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>>5310596
>Meritocracy is bad.
>This is what Supremacists actually believe.
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>>5310699
Meritocracy would imply that there is no underlying difference between xenos, and that they're all equal and can just as equally carry out a goal, when that is blatantly not true.

You wouldn't assign an red hazaar to be overseer of the economy because he'd fucking steal it all. The only reason bluey works as an xeno leader is because he is an extremely special case that happens to love the monkeys far more than the hazaar.
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>>5310702
>Works
Bluey is so obsessed with screwing over with Hazaar his pointless cruelty is gonna blow up in our faces.

You want someone's whose priority is getting the job done, not someone working out his self esteem issues on a multi trillion dollar venture.
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>>5310709
>his pointless cruelty is gonna blow up in our faces
If pointless cruelty was ever going to blow up in our faces, it would have done a long ass time ago. The Hegemony is pointlessly cruel as a rule.

And, even then, who else could possibly be a better fit? He's completely, 100% loyal to us - any other hazaar would have just turned over to the consortium the picosecond the worms promissed them some rewards, because their territory is basically all hazaar anyway
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>>5310709
Since the debate is restarting, I would like to add the fact that there are biological limitations that prevent xenos from being an option in many fields, do you think a balathi would be a good doctor for jaxtians?
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>>5310713
I mean, Veterinarians exist so we have demonstrated evidence that cross species medicine works.
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>>5310712
The Hegemony (on paper) at least is Brutal with a purpose. It has rape camps and commuted multiple acts of genocide but all the the name of some states greater objective.

Bluey is tormenting the Hazaar not because it helps the Hegemony but because it satisfies is psychological dysfunction.
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>>5310716
>Comparing monkey veterinarians to masses of gas operating on said monkeys
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>>5310717
>Bluey is tormenting the hazaar not because it helps the hegemony
He has, though? Outside of petty but harmless (to us) stuff like specifically assigning that man to an house that would allow him to see his farm being worked by the green hazaar, he has just been working the hazaar into shape.

Because, let's face it, red hazaar need a firm hand to function in society.
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>>5310723
Bluey helping the Hegemony is incidental to his need to cope with his self hatred. Remember how he set up rape labs on Swalli even though the Supreme signed a deal to stay off that planet and our official policy was subterfuge through media, not direct engagement?

For now, his interested roughly align with our own but I truly believe if they were to ever diverge he would choose his hateboner over the Hegemony.

For example in the case of a possible Civil War via a Supremacist rebellion, he is likely to join the Rebels.(though I doubt they would have him )
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>>5310728
>He he would choose his hateboner over the Hegemony.
His entire hateboner is about how he hates hazaars but loves jaxtians, you fool. He gets petty, yes, but his goals aren't just "incidentally helpful", you're acting like all he cares about is torturing hazaar, when that's the stupidest way you could possbily look at it

Bluey hates hazaar, yes, but he also likes jaxtians more.
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>>5309989
Funnily enough, if he’s worried about losing more ground on population, he should simply take from the foreign nations. The Alien DNA may be off the table, but the Baal cluster is empty of life, practically free real-estate for Jaxians.

Also, for you archeology anons, we can always recreate the Cirrius on the gas giants if we need more living space.
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>>5310735
We could have just settled our people on the hazaar cluster instead, you know...

It's going to be a while until we're able to take balaathi space due to the fact that it's being backed by the Esaal, who are pretty powerful, and if we invade the Esaal, the Consortium will come

Not to mention we probably have an literal planet killer coming for us, as mentioned by >>5310359. For all we know, one of these days jaxt will get kaboomed into a thousand pieces and we won't be able to do anything about it.
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>>5310740
Shouldn't the Cyte be relatively easy to deal with now that we know it's just a nicoll-dyson beam? We will need to search for anything that seems like a dyson swarm, filter the candidates based on further observations and then deal accordingly. I would bet that it's relatively close but not near us since light travels pretty slow in an universe where FTL is possible and if it's within striking distance then we can send our fleets to deal with it, however that wouldn't be neccesay if it's far enough since the beam gets weaker the further away it is and if we know it's trajectory then we could sprinkle higly reflective particles or just a ton of dust in its way to weaken it further.
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>>5310763
You're working on the assumption that it's an station, whereas the cyte may very well have already fired - it takes a long time for light to travel, aftr all.

And how would we stop a giant planet-destroying beam of doom, aiming straight for us galaxy gun style?
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>>5310740
>We could have just settled our people on the hazaar cluster instead, you know…
I thought we were already doing that en-masss? I get that we allowed million (not billions) of Green Hazzar to work agriculture on the Haazar Homeworld, but that isn’t indicative of the other worlds in the Haazar cluster, right?

Then we should start with the Consortium first.

Also, we don’t even know where this Lotus cluster is (which we should find out), and space is so incomprehensible vast that trying to aim a super-weapon hundreds or thousands of light years away with a bullet that goes the speed of light is insanely complicated, just if the variations of speed and positions were taken into account, and that doesn’t even include artificial movements of other planetary bodies made by the Hegemony.
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>>5310764
First things first, you would need a star for a Nicoll-Dyson Beam so at least while in firing mode the Cyte should be stationary.
Secondly, space isn't empty, the further the gun is the weaker the beam is. Once we find it its just a question of what can weaken the beam further. I proposed that we lay particles in its path so that the light is further reflected but that is far from the only option, we can create a series of mirror satelites to act as a shield, we could move Jaxt away, just alter its orbit by a little so that the beam misses and them correct it. I somewhat hope that its near us so that it coild be taken by us, imagine what a literal sungun could do against the worms.
Realistically however, what we need to do right now is simply search for anything that resembles a dyson swarm around a particulary bright star since I assume brighter stars would serve best for such a weapon.
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>>5310781
>I thought we were already doing that en-masss?
There has been no indication whatsoever that we have started settling Jaxtians in the hazaar cluster. In fact, hwat actively wants to decrease the hegemony's jaxtian population.
>Then we should start with the Consortium first.
The problem is that the Esaal might attack us while we do it.
>trying to aim a super-weapon hundreds or thousands of light years away with a bullet that goes the speed of light is insanely complicated
Yes, and the worm are the oldest race alive. They probably have that kind of stuff.
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>>5310793
>There has been no indication whatsoever that we have started settling Jaxtians in the hazaar cluster.
That should’ve been one of the first unspoken things we’ve done, considering there’s probably going to be a war there within a generation. We’ll need the excess population to replace losses anyway, win-win.

I think the Esaal would rather have a ‘fair’ fight, considering their overwhelming military advantage, and they’re not really the Worm’s lackeys nearly as much as the Worms are, so Worm influence is less of a concern. We’ll have a better chance of not getting into a two front war if we attack the Consortium first, though the Baal system is probably more important to ensuring our security against the Esaal.

>They probably have that kind of stuff.
I don’t think so, it seems to me that they may be incapable of using techniques, considering we’ve never seen them with any.
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The point of being more meritocratic isn’t to be species blind, there being fairly obvious inherent differences between, say, a Hazaar and a Ventuck, but to try and measure capabilities in an objective measure and assign the best rather than be blinded by racial and speciest prejudice. (Ie. Just because centuries of eugenics means the average Jaxtian is sharper than the average Vetuck, that doesn’t mean Vetuck should be automatically disqualified for science jobs, etc.)

To use an obvious example, only letting Mainlander Jaxtians even attempt to qualify to be a scientist is pretty bloody stupid.

>>5310719
I don’t see what’s stopping a Baal from running a Jaxtian hospital if they have the prerequisite knowledge. Whether you’re treated by a Jaxtian or a gaseous hivemeind, you’re still treated.

>>5310596
Provided we don’t start handing out political power but keep them firmly under our thumb, why not? The work is done no matter who does it.
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>>5310945
Powerful positions ARE Political power you dolt - Kerjak literally has the ability to instate a coup because his friends are in powerful position

Now imagine if we let the kind of hazaar that is willing to let an entire crop die so he can sell his food for profit in an important position. They have no loyalty to the Hegemony

Think for a moment, you dolt. What kind of fool gives important, influential positions to an member of an conquered race? Why the hell would we EVER trust a xeno who has literally no reason to not side with the Consortium or Worms?
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>>5310945
Actually, Yuan could’ve been a scientist, as with Sunshine and Max-Mind. I’m sure when the Swall become integrated within our government structure that they’ll also dominate the brainy disciplines disproportionately. You’d be lucky to get a Ventuck with such fierce competition for intelligence.

>I don’t see what’s stopping a Baal from running a Jaxtian hospital if they have the prerequisite knowledge
Inefficiency. The Baal operate on a hive mind, and are probably better off doing science shit than becoming administrators.
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>>5310967
The Swall are a good reason for xeno oppression. If we give the rights, what'll be of the Jaxtians? Hazaar are quickly produced wagies, ventuckers are soldiers, the Swall are smart...

What, are we just going to sit back and watch them take our every position, turn the hegemony against us and turn jaxtians into servants of their very conquests all in the name of "meritocracy"?
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>>5310960
Well, then don’t open those positions up.
Meritocracy is a scale, not an on-off switch between not letting aliens do anything except hard labour and giving them equal rights to Jaxtians. There are many positions where we could use skilled labour that don’t offer some great power- we’re already going to have Vetuck labourers and soldiers, so Vetuck technicians and teachers and other similar positions would still better enable us to use potential without just giving them the keys.

And if we do it right, in two, three hundred years there’s no real reason why the Vetuckians or hybrid Hazaar should think themselves apart from the Hegemony. The vast majority of xenos are not the treacherous sociopaths you portray them as, and less xenophobic voters aren’t plotting to try and subvert the state or something.

>>5310967
Definitely, but in a population of billions of Vetuckians we could still be missing out on millions of talents if we pigeonhole them ridiculously out of speciesism or xenophobic paranoia,
> Inefficiency. The Baal operate on a hive mind, and are probably better off doing science shit than becoming administrators.
Fair enough, and that kind of thinking is what we want in a meritocracy- everyone being encouraged towards work that best suits their individual capabilities, not a stereotype. (Although being a hive mind sounds amazing for administration, personally.)

>>5310971
First of all, the Swalli are naturally very smart but, due to our time-based head start in eugenics, not effectively smarter than us as is right now. Secondly, again, see above. Meritocracy is a scale, and opening up subordinate positions for everyone and stopping our AI from slicing out chunks of our talent pool out of bigotry will likely be for the better.

Still don’t really understand what the hell Hwat is doing, mind. If he wants to be Talacent encouraging literal plantation labour is a pretty rubbish way to do it.
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>>5310988
>there’s no real reason why the Vetuckians or hybrid Hazaar should think themselves apart from the Hegemony.
Because the Hegemony is entirely built on Jaxtian values. And Hazaar are backstabbing traitors and scum.
>not effectively smarter than us as is right now.
Except they are advancing extremely fast and have zero loyalty to us. Who's to say they won't betray us and side with the Consortium, which is literally following the same ideology they have (capitalism)

If meritocracy is a scale, you're forgetting about the other side. Each little right, each little privilege you give xenos, the more power they have, and the more they'll want

Once they start becoming enforcers, high-level administrators, what's to stop them from deciding "we should become supremes too!"? They'll have powerful positions, after all

Xenophobia is literally just self defense.
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>>5310327
I thought they used birth control?
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>>5310996
Inshallah, Harambe willing, we will perform post-birth control on that alien demon who will threaten our society with his xenophilia

Too bad I can already see anons jaxtian hating enough to support him
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>>5310945
The Baal are the coolest race in the Hegemony and we should see more of them. If we reclaimed Hazaar space for the Hazaar we should Reconquest Ball space for the Baal
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>>5310960
Why are you assuming non-Jataxtians are inherently disloyal?
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>>5310999
Fuck no, any further space we conquer must be for JAXTIANS, we're already giving an entire fucking cluster to xenos. Is our empire going to be literally all xeno reserves?
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>>5310971
If the Monkes are only worthwhile if they're putting their thumb in the scale, were they ever really that "Supreme" to begin with?
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>>5311000
Hazard are disloyal backstabbers and evil by nature
>Yuan
>The Pink Aristocrat
>Sunshine (he could have spared us a civil war, and he's now going to help create some new abomination to fuck us over)
>Red hazaar who almost got us killed by balaathi
>Red hazaar who became pirates the moment things went south
>Red hazaar being greedy fucks in the cluster
I hate hazaar
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>>5311002
The Hazaar literally only exist because of us - the balaathi would have genocided them otherwise. The Vetuckers were primitives, and the Swall are the only ones who had any chance at a bright future in these millennia

Why should the jaxtians literally hand over their nation and culture to the hands of xenos because of "muh meritocracy"? Everyone else puts their thumb when they can - do you not think the Hazaar or Swall would enslave us if they could?

Literally every single species even slightly close to us in power have been nothing but subversive, aggressive, degenerate elements. The Esaal, the Consortium, the Worms, the Aristocrats...literally every single species who has the ability tries to fuck us over

Give me a single reason as to why we should trust xenos other than "Meritocracy and Diversity"
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>>5310988
>billions of Vetuckians
Lol, what? I would believe millions, they recently came out of the medieval age. No way they would be in the billions yet.
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>>5310993
Firstly, when we control everything we teach them and show them via media, there is no reason why we cannot impart Jaxtian values upon them. The great, great majority of our values are not biologically exclusive.

Secondly, the Swali are not integrated. We are still in the process of subsuming their government in a covert ops war. And when we do subsume them, we are going to be committing physical and cultural genocides on a scale unseen IRL- a gun to every head, genetic tampering, purges and complete state control for four, five generations until life outside of the Hegemony means as much to them as Humpty Dumpty means to us. There will be no capitalist ideology because we will take *any* non Hegemony ideology and snap it over our knee and throw it in the furnace and stamp our jackboot into their hearts and minds, forever.

Just like we’re doing with the Vetuckians, and just like we did to ourselves.

But that’s post war.

And once again, they will not have powerful positions if we don’t give it to them. You’re right in that it’s a scale, but the answer isn’t to immediately storm towards one end. If giving them power will threaten us, then crushing every ambition and dream they have to forcibly cookie cut them into stereotypes instead of diversifying their career choices will do so even more. I’m not saying let the aliens hold seats in office, I’m saying evaluate for the majority of non-authoritative jobs fairly and non-subjectively.

>>5311003
Hazaar are not Jaxtians, not all non Jaxtians (or most non Jaxtians) are Hazaar. And hybrid Hazaar are fine; you can’t say Yuan is any worse than, say, Invgar.

>>5311011
Because we’re not handing our nation or authority over, we’ll be completely obliterating their culture and replacing it with ours, because we don’t want to just throw out a massive chunk of our talent pool just to say we’re Supreme, and Vetuckians being caught at an unfortunate point in history is not indicative of incompetence.

We’re giving slightly more trust to the aliens because smashing our xenophobia over their heads every month of their life will make it more likely to rebel, not less and cost us both immediately and in opportunities. Us having complete control over their education and media helps a lot too.

And just because every other nation has tried to screw us over doesn’t mean inter-species collaboration is impossible. See: all our rivals except the Essal. The Jaxtian Hegemony making enemies of literally everybody is a matter of politics and our Hegemony values, and should not be taken as ‘literally all alien life ever should only be trusted while we have a gun to their head.’
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>>5311029
I thought with all the uplifting we’d eventually be getting to two-three soon enough. We’ve been integrating them for one or two of their generations by now… or I might just be misremembering.
Point is, that’s a lot of talent to slice out because of speciesm.
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>>5311011
…..and aren’t you the person who insisted that the other two Vetuck genes were nearly worthless, alpha marines were the clealry objective choice, and physical brawn was the decisive factor in modern warfare?
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>>5311039
Your reasoning makes a lot of sense to me. I'm on board, tentatively, depending how our next civil war goes.
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>>5309989
>Kill Hwat Dulioan
While it’s silly to kill our strategic mastermind, I’m sort of hankering for a massive societal shift. Plus, it’d be funny when Yuan and his baby gets shot by the monster he created.

>>5311039
Actually, considering the context of more Lebensraum and the impending war, the Hazzar Vassal state is more like a buffer zone that will chew up the population while we fight the war. If we win, the Hazzar cluster will probably be vastly depopulated (yet again), which would be a prime opportunity for a demographic shit in the other direction, especially with new territory to utilize. Just because Kerjak is a supremacist doesn’t mean he can’t make smart decisions when it come to planning for the future (even if Civil War is definitely suboptimal).
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>>5311132
I’m not 100% sure what you’re responding too, but that actually makes a lot of sense.
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You decide to give peace a chance. While you think an assassination of Hwat is certainly possible; the damage and fallout such a thing would cause would probably be worse for your race then working with him to a mutual conclusion.

After much deliberation, you manage to finish your agreement. The document that will bring order and fix the problems of the Hegemony- all it will take now is the most powerful man in the Hegemony to come and give it its blessing- once he returns home from his journey.

It will change your society forever, that is true, but at this time, you see no other way forward. Only with radical, complete social force can you possibly hope for restoration of your people's sovereignty. Even now, Cijan is bringing back a very special machine- your dream of ridding the Jaxtian species of its parasitic alien DNA comes closer as well. Everything falls into place; and even if you disagree with him on some things, Hwat has been nothing but open with you. Finally, you can move past this and move the Hegemony into the future- a blue future.
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Hey everybody, thanks for playing part 6 of Supreme Space Monke Quest!

Sorry for the slowness at the end here; I tend to run out of steam near the end of the threads. This issue was also mostly dedicated to getting the timeline back on track and setting everything up for the future. It's been a long time coming, but we finally get to close some of these open plotlines!

In the meantime, a few questions for you if you'd be willing to answer.

>Were you surprised at the Pink Hazaar reveal?

>Do you think the alien races being mostly antagonistic is making the universe too grimdark?

>What do you think the "moral of the story" of this quest is?
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>>5311186
>Were you surprised at the Pink Hazaar reveal?
yes

>Do you think the alien races being mostly antagonistic is making the universe too grimdark?
No, makes sense really. Might be neat to find someone friendly though, but on the other hand, it's fun to justify Jaxtian supremacy by seeing how awful everyone else is.

>What do you think the "moral of the story" of this quest is?
Uh, wasn't aware this had a moral. Kinda seems like "authoritarianism is necessary to produce and maintain an interstellar society" or "Jaxtians are just better", but I'm not going to get into the gigantic philosophical debates in these threads, just how it looks to me.
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>>5311189
>Were you surprised at the Pink Hazaar reveal?
Enormously.

>Do you think the alien races being mostly antagonistic is making the universe too grimdark?
It depends.
I think it makes sense that the Jaxtian Hegemony, being a fascist monster, will be at odds with the majority of other peer-power societies.
It does feel a bit strange though that we haven’t seen a benevolent society though, one which actually takes peace and democracy and mortal rights seriously. Authoritarianism is 100% not the only viable ideology, but apart from possibly some Consortium worlds and maybe the Seekers we aren’t see alternatives. Maybe it’s because the nations we’re coming with conflict with aren’t going to be moderate democracies but similarly power hungry militarists?

>What do you think the "moral of the story" of this quest is?

>What do you think the "moral of the story" of this quest is?
No idea, but personally I’ve noticed three things that I think don’t turn up enough in fiction.
1.Alien ethics is really complex, but that’s not an excuse not to try.
2. Being right doesn’t make might, but neither does being relentlessly fascist.
3. Just because a culture is horrid doesn’t mean it can’t spawn good people, but those good people don’t justify the culture.

>>5311190
A reminder that everything we see is biased through the eyes of the narrator. In the eyes of the frankly xenophobic Jaxtians, ‘the Jaxtian race is the master race that will defeat entropy, and the Hegemony is the greatest thing since sliced bread because it controls everything I’ve ever been taught and seen’ is a fairly obvious bias.
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>>5311189
>Were you surprised at the Pink Hazaar reveal?
Yes! Very neat.

>Do you think the alien races being mostly antagonistic is making the universe too grimdark?
The premise of the thread has been mostly quite grim what with the brutal fascist empire, and a lot of our votes have served to continue that trend. I wouldn't mind seeing at least a few opportunities for collaboration, though... But maybe that's what Vetuck and tame Baalathi and such are for. Maybe even some of the Hazaar and Swall! We'll see how it goes.

>What do you think the "moral of the story" of this quest is?
"Authoritarianism works, but whether the cost to individuals and communities is worth it is up to you," maybe? Unlike >>5311190, I don't see the "Jaxtians are da bes" angle, as it seems to me like you take cares to occasionally frame their failings, hypocrisies, and to highlight that their beliefs and attitudes are sometimes irrational and self-serving justifications for selfish, instinctive drives.
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>>5311189
>Were you surprised at the Pink Hazaar reveal?
Yes

>Do you think the alien races being mostly antagonistic is making the universe too grimdark?
I'm a warhammer 40k fan, the antagonism between species here is nothing compared to that.

>What do you think the "moral of the story" of this quest is?
You need to make sacrifices to get the best oucomes. Sometimes this means sacrificing people and morals, somtimes it means forgoing an immediate benefit for a long term goal.
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>>5311189
Just read this entire quest from the archives

Bravo - what a deep and interesting setting you’ve created!

Also, man is there a lot of unrelated discussion between posts…

This ‘political bomb’ is truly interesting

Stay racially pure and ‘strong’ (while actually being weaker in aggregate) or shun the racial nationalism at the heart of our political system for the sake of imperial strength

A problem many empires have grappled with - with racial purity more often winning out

Given that our empire is too widespread for everyone to visit the homeworld - I wonder how we ensure cultural and societal alignment in the long term…
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>>5311209
Maybe our new biotech revolution will allow us to outlaw genetic drift and reverse it, enforcing genetic purity/stagnation?
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>>5311189
>Were you surprised at the Pink Hazaar reveal?
Completely and utterly shocked, though this does take away some of the Hazzar uniqueness as a species.
>Do you think the alien races being mostly antagonistic is making the universe too grimdark?
No, I find it interesting and realistic. And everyone forgets about the Seekers.
>What do you think the "moral of the story" of this quest is?
Socialism is inherently evil and immoral. If it wasn’t for us as the Supreme Ruler actually caring for our population’s wellbeing, the Hegemony would turn out to be far more grimdark dystopian than it currently is.

Is Sunshine happy with Yuan, or is he slowly falling into an abusive relationship?
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>>5311195
>Authoritarianism is 100% not the only viable ideology
In this universe it is. Remember that ancient film reel? The only societies to become intergalactic power would be Authoritarian and Eugenic by nature.

>>5311209
>Given that our empire is too widespread for everyone to visit the homeworld - I wonder how we ensure cultural and societal alignment in the long term…
You forget that Stargate tech is achievable. Remember the disgruntled novelist turned scientist? He could’ve invested Stargate if we didn’t turn him into such a sperg.
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>>5311223
> If it wasn’t for us as the Supreme Ruler actually caring for our population’s wellbeing, the Hegemony would turn out to be far more grimdark dystopian than it currently is.

Strongly agree with this

Our empire seems to have very very low corruption or the natural inefficiencies inherent to centrally planned authoritarian states.

The leader is always self-less and devoted to the betterment of the people

Most similar societies would likely become dynastic in terms of power transfer, with an elite entrenching their power over time through wealth, genetic improvements to their children and overall influence
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>>5311224
>Remember that ancient film reel? The only societies to become intergalactic power would be Authoritarian and Eugenic by nature.
An ancient film reel by a Supreme Leader of such a power should probably be taken with a grain of salt, bud. Obviously HE'D think that.
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>>5311227
>Most similar societies would likely become dynastic in terms of power transfer, with an elite entrenching their power over time through wealth, genetic improvements to their children and overall influence
That... Happened. Most Supremes come from a very small collection of families.
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>>5311230
Yes…and no.

There has never been a dynastic succession of supremes - from actual father to son.

Vul may have been the first, before his death.

It’s been stated that supremes and the upper leadership do have many children - but these children never seem to hold positions of power - unlike their parents.

A more realistic model would be that all choices for Overseers, Captains, etc - would come from the ranks of a small number of elite families and more often than not, the children of the current or former Supreme - and that this would happen not solely due to merit, but due to the wealth and influence of these families.

Elite families are the ultimate ‘in-group’ - a grouping much closer than our empire or even race. And the history of our race has demonstrated the strong power of familial bonds.

I’m not saying we’d be crippled by this issue - but it’s one very common to centrally planned autocratic states and one which we seemed to have avoided for no specific reason
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>>5311189
>Were you surprised at the Pink Hazaar reveal?
Not especially. The Hazaar being 'the only species on their world with their method of reproduction' was always a clue, if they'd been true natives then you'd have expected at least a few other clade-species around; and as a close but unexplored region to 'Haazar' space the Aristocrats were about the last contender left. It was still nicely done, though!

>Do you think the alien races being mostly antagonistic is making the universe too grimdark?
I don't mind their aggressiveness, though reserving that aggressiveness just for the Jaxtians would make it static - they should be bouncing against each other as well as us! I imagine that Consortium members might sometimes try to leave if they get sick of generations of star-worms eating their children, or that the ruthlessly militarist Esaal are at least as prone if not more so the Jaxtians to the possibility of an occasional violent coup disrupting or threatening to disrupt a transfer of power, and that these can sometimes spark huge civil wars?

>What do you think the "moral of the story" of this quest is?
Something as simple as 'every choice has consequences you will have to live with', perhaps?

>>5311223
Don't forget that the Capitalist Hazaar see no value in their own children and hold no love other thein their own greed, so push them first into the sights of weapons and expect them to work in incredibly hostile and hazardous conditions. I don't think there's a single society advanced enough to hold ideologies that's actively been portrayed 100% positively.
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>>5311039
>There is no reason why we cannot impart Jaxtian values upon them.
The problem with this idea is that it works on the basis that the psychology of every alien is the same. It is not - just like it would be impossible to teach poetry to an balaathi, it would be impossible to teach compassion to a red hazaar because they literally have no mirror neurons - they are biologically incapable of doing it. Jaxtian values were made by Jaxtians for Jaxtians - and even if the Vetuckers are able to follow them because their culture was basically "follow the strongest", their psychology will always be different.
>Secondly, the Swali are not integrated.
Yes, but the thing about the Swalli, is that once they are, they will be able to receive genetic treatment, and once they do, they have every opportunity to shoot up and dominate the areas of research - and what, we'll just hand over our entire technology industry to them? If we work on the basis of 'meritocracy', then they'll get exceedingly powerful.
>not all non Jaxtians (or most non Jaxtians) are Hazaar
Hazaar are literally the biggest 'minority' on the Hegemony.
>And hybrid Hazaar are fine
They are not. They have no family, outside of extremely rare cases like that freak (who also betrayed us) Sunshine, and then there's Yuan who's going to cause a civil war
>you can’t say Yuan is any worse than, say, Ingar.
I can, because Ingar was just a psycho, whereas Yuan is trying to cause a large scale genocide. Ingar massively fucked us up, but not once was he trying to literally exterminate the Jaxtian race, he wanted to *take over*
>Because we’re not handing our nation or authority over
The fact that Yuan was on the brink of causing an civil war because he was allowed to become an state philosopher shows this is a complete lie.
>smashing our xenophobia over their heads every month of their life will make it more likely to rebel, not less and cost us both immediately and in opportunities.
And if you *don't* do that, then they start questioning why the hell they, if you allow them to hold positions of power, are still second-class citizens not allowed to be become supreme.
>And just because every other nation has tried to screw us over doesn’t mean inter-species collaboration is impossible.
How not? If you moved into a new neighbourhood, and every single person you met was a crackhead who wanted to kill you, how could that be taken as anything but a sign that no one in the neighbourhood could be trusted?
>Making enemies of literally everybody is a matter of politics and our Hegemony values
Are you kidding me? It quite literally isn't.
>The Esaal want to conquer us because WAR WAR WAR WAR
>The Consortium want to subvert us because WORMS ARE OUR GREATEST ALLIES
>The Aristocrats are completely degenerated hedonists who literally won't lift a single finger to do anything
Literally every single xeno who could do so, has tried to fuck us over
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>>5311251
>Vul may have been the first, before his death.
Wrong.

Talacent did not succeed vul - rather, Kinja succeeded Vul as an interim supreme, and he later picked Talacent, who was *SECRETLY* The son of Vul (who was cheating on his wife, the bastard)
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>>5311189
>Were you surprised at the Pink Hazaar reveal?
Yes, though honestly it makes sense - how the hell would a species with no sense of community whatsoever who doesn't give a single fuck about anyone other than themselves get to space alone? It would literally be impossible.
>Do you think the alien races being mostly antagonistic is making the universe too grimdark?
No, it's logical, aliens just suck. At least Migrators are cool, but they're basically honorary jaxtians, being from our system.
>What do you think the "moral of the story" of this quest is?
No idea, honestly. You can't apply human morals to an monkey society - in human society, the orwellian nature of the hegemony would have turned it into an corrupt, dynastic hellhole where everyone starved within a single generation, but we can't work on that assumption because we're not *monkes*

For *MONKES*, Authoritarianism works.
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>>5311223
>And everyone forgets about the Seekers.
The Seekers don't really do anything, they only really talk to us because we're the only people who figured out starsight, but they're hardly even so much as amicable.
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>>5311189
>Were you surprised at the Pink Hazaar reveal?
Yes
>Do you think the alien races being mostly antagonistic is making the universe too grimdark?
No, I believe this is how it should be.
>What do you think the "moral of the story" of this quest is?
Expand. Conquer the galaxy. Ethics is more often a hindrance than a benefit.
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>>5311011
Because ethnonational empires always wind up collapsing (British, French, Spanish, Mongolian, Japanese, Portuguese etc.)

A house divided cannot stand. A government made up of different "teams" is fundamentally unstable. The US still engaged with imperialism but it was far more staple than those various Europe powers because it had multiple ethnicities under the shared national identity of American, as opposed to something like Yugoslavia where people identified more with their cultural identities than their citizenship/subjecthood.

A Hegemony where someone sees themselves as a Hazzar or a Ventuck or a Ball before they see themselves as a Hegemonian is a liability. Integration is for the good of the State.
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>>5311378
You just said the Hazaar can't be trusted because they have no mirror neurons but then said the Swalli would be genetically integrated. Any biological issues can be treated genetically the same way we do genetic diseases.

Also the Baal certainly could do Poetry. There basic way of talking is already more rhythmic than most other dialogue we have seen in this quest.
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>>5311186
>your dream of ridding the Jaxtian species of its parasitic alien DNA comes closer as well.

Oh fuck the Life Machine was set up for this the whole time

How did we miss this?
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>>5311473
There is no such thing as "a hegemonian", you moron. It is not possible to have a "hegemonian". You can't compare that with nationalities - different ethnicities are still of the same race. The only close comparison would be Blondes, who are Jaxtian

It doesn't matter how many retarded buzzwords you use, an hazaar will NEVER be jaxtian, an vetucker will NEVER be swall and neither will ever be the same.

There is no "Hegemonian". There will NEVER be an "Hegemonian", and that is a stupid newspeak term that would only make sense to someone who genuinely thought that there is no difference between species

Oh, but you think that, don't you? You genuinely think that an balaathi has the same psychological processes as an jaxtian and that both are "totally equal guize we are the same"
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>>5311189
The Aliens being antagonistic doesn't seem grimdark. Is basic realpolitik.

The Pink Hazaar reveal was cool and surprising at first but then the character seemed to act too much like a "regular" Hazaar for it to mean anything. I think if they weren't materialistic and such like the ones we already knew of the twist would be better.
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>>5311474
>You just said the Hazaar can't be trusted because they have no mirror neurons but then said the Swalli would be genetically integrated
Those are not the same things, you fool. Hazaar literally *erased* their mirror neurons. There are none.

On the other hand, if the Swall undergo the jaxtian-style "genetic purging" that we do, that is, of only allowing the smartest to breed, as well as with other things like telomere lengthening, they would have an big advantage on scientific matters.
>Also the Baal certainly could do Poetry
No, they literally could not, because they're barely sapient - all they do is think about is calculative instincts. RELEASE ARGON, EXPAND, INTAKE ARGON, EXPAND
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>>5311227
>The leader is always self-less and devoted to the betterment of the people

I don't think the leader is selfless. I think our leaders are personally invested in seeing the Hegemony succeed due to their own self fulfillment. It's mutualistic. Talacent was a big hippie but Eoba II and Cijan are both obsessed with their own glory and Helper wanted to be immortal.
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>>5311378
>And if you *don't* do that, then they start questioning why the hell they, if you allow them to hold positions of power, are still second-class citizens not allowed to be become supreme.
So why are you making them second class citizens?
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>>5311476
Different doesn't mean better it worse.

You and I are different it doesn't mean I am fundamentally a more valuable person than you
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>>5311478
The Hazaar erased their mirror neurons with the exact same genetic technology we currently possessed. If we wanted, we could just grow them new ones the same way we introduced the suspension gene into Jataxians.
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>>5311480
Because I signed up to play a Jaxtian, and that comes with it rampant xenophobia.
If it wasn’t the case IC, I wouldn’t mind full integration- but as it is, that is *definitely* not the case.
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*the case
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>>5311478
If the Ball are sentient (which they are, at least en masse in the same way you are sentient despite being a collection of many living cells) they have the capacity for art.

Since poetry is just artistic application of language anything with the capacity for both language and art has the capacity for Poetry.
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>>5311480
>So why are you making them second class citizens?
Because the hegemony is jaxtian? It's values are completely jaxtian. If it isn't led by jaxtians, it will collapse, as other xenos are biologically unable to genuinely believe in an Jaxtian society. Bluey only even does it because he's part jaxtian.
>>5311485
Yet again, you seem to think that jaxtians and other species are all the same, just different looking. Xenos have entirely differently psychologies - and thus, their values are different.
>>5311487
Yeah, sure they did it, several thousand years ago, and with HELP FROM THE ARISTOCRATS. We don't even know how this machine works.
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>>5311488
The Jataxians we're only Xenophobic because we played them as such. The first post had them as Dictatorial. The players chose the Xeno angle.
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>>5311494
Sentient is not Sapient.

Balaathi are incapable of art because they're a hivemind withought any real non-instinctice though. They don't think about the value of life, they don't think about politics, they're completely instinctual

We literally saw how they are. Literally all they think about is ARGON, NEON, EXPAND, ARGON,NEON EXPAND, ARGON, NEON, EXPAND
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>>5311495
If the Hegemony has the tech (even pre Life Machine) to genetically alter the neurotypes of Jataxians what makes you think it can't do that to Hazaar.
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>>5311503
There's a difference between adding basic genes like vetucker strength and significant changes that some ancient precursor race with near-magical biotech did three thousand years ago
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>>5311378
You have a good point, but at least for Vetuckians and Hybrid Hazaar I’m confident once we deepen our understanding of their psyches we’ll be able to synthesise something workable. We’ve seen from their viewpoints, and they’re different but far from overwhelmingly so. If we can govern them, negotiate with them, manipulate them, then we can surely learn to teach them.

Also, that’s not… quite how it works. There’s no miracle treatment that would elevate them past us- the eugenics is already something they do, and it takes effects based off time, not our miraculous medical tech. As it is, assuming we have similar eugenics policies, we’ll perfect ourselves at equal rates for…. A while, at least.

And no, definitely not give them authority in any industry. But we can surely use their skills and offer them challenges without giving them authority. Let them study and theorise all they want, and use equipment only under supervision, challenge their geniuses with the most difficult projects without actually giving them less supervision, etc.

The Hybrid Hazaar are the biggest minority, who are very distinct- and if we want to change that at any time, all we’ll have to do is start committing genocides. And again, alien =/ always Hazaar.

And if the issue with the Hybrid Hazaar is the lack of family structure, just… let them have families. The adoption scene above shows it’s clearly possible- they can have families and raise children without us actually letting them breed.

I don’t actually think Yuan or Ingar is worse. Like Ingar, Yuan wants to take over, and buys the very ideals of genetic supremacy we espouse. The only difference is that coincidentally we’re on the wrong end this time.
But as a threat, yeah, they are more serious than him.

…..The stuff on Yuan is a really good point though.
Letting a xeno go that high was obviously a bloody mistake, and we’ll have to change that.
There are many, many tasks to do that require skilled labour without providing power, and I personally would draw the line at giving the great majority of aliens influence over more than a dozen people at once. Surgeon, engineer, artist, technician, nurse, soldier, explorer, etc. should be made open to everyone- but positions of higher authority, like Overseer, Naval & Ground Captain, or State Philosopher, I agree, definitely not.

Apathy and self interest are far more powerful than terror to keep control, and there exists a middle ground where we can keep most of the talent without giving political power. We just currently have the worst of both worlds.

Regarding inter species cooperation, again, the Seekers and the Consortium prove it’s clealry possible.
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Regarding our diplomacy, it was never going to be Galactic Federation, but our own actions directly contributed to our issues right now.

The worms are terrifying, but not inherently foes. A diplomatic incident and our refusal to kneel soured them to us, leading to the Consortium and the Essal going cold. Then we outright antagonised the Essal- so even though war was probably inevitable, we’ve moved the timetable up significantly. The aristocrats are absolutely heinous, but they’re not our enemies as a state (though Ully can absolutely go do one).

We somehow have the worst of both xeno integration and xenophobia at once. I wanted a lack of bigotry and plumbing the aliens for talent instead of grinding them into a stereotype, not whatever the hell lead to a Hazaar in our ruling class…

>>5311497
We definitely were always going to be bigoted to everyone not a Mainland Jaxtian since forever. We didn’t pick that, and we didn’t pick the demeaning propaganda that influenced Yuan to go down this war path either. The xenophobia is pretty in character.
>>5311380
Well said.
>>5311485
The issue is that the Hegemony doesn’t believe in the moral equality of all people. Some people are objectively more or less capable than others, and as such, not everyone is born equal. Same for aliens.

>>5311501
This is unfair though. Max mind, a hive mind with a lot of argon, could run a department on its own. The respective patterns where for when it didn’t have the gas it actually needs to think- it’s like using a lobotomised ape for proof that apes aren’t sapient. I don’t really know how the Baalathi think, but how they instinctively react when the gas they need to actually function is gone probably isn’t reflective of that.
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>>5311525
>If we can govern them, negotiate with them, manipulate them, then we can surely learn to teach them.
There's a big leap from being governed to being teached. Vetuckers will never possess Jaxtian's innate fear of nukes, nor their fondness for their natural strength, which came as part of their development (that is, jaxtians retained their physique even as they evolved)
>we’ll perfect ourselves at equal rates for…. A while, at least.
No, we won't - as it's been said by characters already, there's only so much normal eugenics can do - that was the entire reason we had to change our way of inheritance, because we were starting to have too many people who were "supreme tier"

Think of it like this - Jaxtians are normally an 50 in intelligence. With eugenics, they became an 100. Swall are naturally an 75 - sure, they're dumber than us *now*, but if they get the same eugenics we did, they'd become an 125.
>And no, definitely not give them authority in any industry. But we can surely use their skills and offer them challenges without giving them authority
We already do that. What xenophiliac anons want is that xenos be able to get any job, even supreme, as long as they're "qualified"
>all we’ll have to do is start committing genocides
Yes, well, we've never quite had the option, because the ruling supreme is a golden age theorist, and cijan just trusts hwat enough to follow his economic agenda.
>let them have families
They can't have natural families. Sure, they can be adopted, but they're adopted by *Jaxtians*. There's no such thing as a Hazaar family because it's just biologically not part of them. Hazaar don't raise their young.
>I don’t actually think Yuan or Ingar is worse
Yuan actively wants to commit genocide, whereas Ingar just wanted to take over.
>Regarding inter species cooperation, again, the Seekers and the Consortium prove it’s clealry possible.
The Seekers are literally lead by AIs, aren't they? Not to mention the only reason they even speak with us is because we're the only ones who don't like worms
>the Consortium
Literally all worm puppets. They're no different than the species under our rule, except we're not as wicked as the space vermin.
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>>5311387
In their defence, I would absolutely want as little as possible to do with the Hegemony as I can manage , just because they commit crimes against sentiments on the daily to keep their own people in line.

That level of institutional brutality is something that I, and I suspect quite a few others who aren’t of a similar mind, would be a *bit* disturbed by….
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>>5311547
Yes, well, you'd think that they'd be more communicative with the one other people who figured out starsight and have any goal of defeating the worms.

That's pretty much the only thing that makes us communicate.
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>>5311552
What we really need to do is take these three 'grey dot' extra-cluster solar systems/extrasystem planetary bodies to get ourselves more of a proper border with and connection to them
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>>5311586
The problem with those is that they'd be generally way harder to controll. Our limiter on size, as of now, is not only our neighbours but the fact that it takes way too long to travel between such long distances
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>>5311604
They're all as far out (or closer for some) then the Hazaar cluster, so any exploration cruiser we sent out to one would be there within a year or less. That's slightly less time then used to be needed to get to Vetuck, so all of them are manageable exploration objectives - it just remains to be seen when we get there if they'd have anything to offer the Hegemony that would make them worth colonisation. Though I'd argue each one should still get investigated - the consortium might be using any or all of them as a forward base for their infiltration missions right now, and we'd be none the wiser until we take a look.
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>>5311620
+1

We definitely need to at least take a look.
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>>5311508
The Hegemony already messes around with brain function in regards. to social behavior.That's literally what mirror neurons regulate
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>>5311525
>Letting a xeno go that high was obviously a bloody mistake, and we’ll have to change that.
The mistake wasn't letting a Xeno get that high. His genius is doubtlessly useful to the Supremacy. The issue was treating the Blue Hazaar so poorly that they Bluey was a natural end result. If Xin wasn't set up like 1860s Alabama we wouldn't have grown up to hate(or Envy in an AU) Jataxians.
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>>5311661
>The issue was treating the Blue Hazaar so poorly that they Bluey was a natural end result.
Are you fucking kidding me? He's literally part of one of the most privileged classes in the hegemony by nature of being a state philosopher.
>hurr durr we should have just given them more rights
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>>5311532
>Some people are objectively more or less capable than others, and as such, not everyone is born equal. Same for aliens.
Right but I argue this policy is more logicality applied on an individual basis, not based on pre conceived notions. It's why we abolished the caste system. I am not arguing the Hegemony should drop the bigotry isn't wrong from a moral point of view, I am arguing is making us make policy decisions based on incorrect beliefs which screws us out by comprising the competency of our labor force across all brackets.
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>>5311665
We put all the Blue Hazaar in a school system that told them that they and any non-Jataxtia is inherently inferior to Jataxians. Not only is that scientifically inaccurate (how do you even verify that) but psychologically fucking up a large segment of our labor force is just asking for it.
Hit dogs and hollering and all that.

I am not arguing to give Hazaar rights. The Hegemony doesn't believe in rights. I believe that the Hegemony running off it's gender, race and species biases is comprising it's functionality.
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>>5311667
>We put all the Blue Hazaar in a school system that told them that they and any non-Jataxtia is inherently inferior to Jataxians.
They are.
>Not only is that scientifically inaccurate
The only reason the hazaar exist is because we saved their asses from the balaathi. They are an flawed species.
>psychologically fucking up a large segment of our labor force is just asking for it.
Why? Because we don't hold their hands and lie about how they're toootally eeequal with jaxtians and how equal and meritocratic our society is?
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>>5311501
That was them when they were starving. You may as well say a drunk person is an animal
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>>5311673
If the Jataxians actually are the master species objectively superior to all others like you claim they are, why do you admit the Swalli are capable of becoming more intelligent than them?
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>>5311789
Even drunk people think more than "EXPAND, ARGON, EXPAND, NEON"
>>5311804
>why do you admit the Swalli are capable of becoming more intelligent than them?
All species that were good enough to survive and become sapient are good at *something*. I really doubt the swalli could beat an jaxtian in a fight, much less an proper alpha, even if you don't include the vetucker gene - not to mention Swalli (though i'm not sure) may have a slower birth rate, due to the fact that their eggs take more resources.

However, if we were to basically hand them over the reins of our research, they'd be able to just turn the hazaar and vetuckers into their muscle.
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Archive Link:
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5284677/

>>5311190
>>5311195
>>5311200
>>5311203
>>5311223
>>5311380
>>5311431
Huh, I didn't think people would be surprised at all. I mean, a space worm told you that at the start of thread #4.

>>5311380
Jaxtians are not humans, but whenever I use the term "primate", I am referring to humans as well.

>>5308806
I think I want to do another "mainline" thread first, and then do another sidestory. I actually have the perfect idea for it- but I don't want to spoil. It will be from an alien perspective however.
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>>5311932
> I mean, a space worm told you that at the start of thread #4.
The Worm said that we had an aristocrat ship in our home system, but he didn't really specify anything.
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>>5311932
>alien perspective however.
Hopefully, it won't be a hazaar

I'm *REALLY* tired of those fucking bugs, they get more "screentime" than all the other races combined. If it's not Yuan, it's Bluey, if it's not Bluey, it's some other hazaar servant...i'm honestly tired of seeing hazaar.
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>>5311954
agreed, can't wait for the Haazarcaust
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>>5311932
It was cool to see the Hazaar twist but I didn't like how it was yet another

>Le happy Knifecock merchant
Character
Would have liked Ully to be a bit more different than other Hazaar
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>>5312020
He wasn't an happy merchant - that would imply he gave a fuck about money.

If Hazaar are 50% selfishness and 50% greed, Ully is 100% selfishness
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>>5311932
>“I know you received messages from the Esaal, and others, after your first test of your FTL drive. I know you were never able to return the messages- they didn't even aim for your homeworld- but they aimed for the nearest FTL communication they could- that Aristocrat ship stuck in your home system.
What the fuck,how do you keep doing this? I wouldn't be surprised if the literal end of this quest has already been spoiled in some galaxy brain clue
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>>5312023
Ully was selfish and obsessed with material goods, that's basically the same as the cliche red Hazaar
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>>5311843
Why are you assuming anyone, not a Jataxian is inherently disloyal?

I am pretty sure the Baalathi statistically are the most loyal species in the Hegemony. Max-Mind has done nothing but help.
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>>5312027
The difference is that red hazaar are ancapistan crpyotobros who are always swindling and think authority is dumb[

Ully is an degenerate aristocrat who thinks non-nobles aren't even living beings, but property, and he doesn't give a fuck about anything that isn't directly related to his lifestyle
>>5312028
>Balaathi
>Species
Yeah, a species of computer. You wouldn't call your computer loyal, it just does what you tell it to because it's a machine.

Balaathi are basically machines. We've yet to see a single example of a Balaathi expressing anything that isn't animalistic instincts.
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>>5312032
>They're machines
>But they're also animals
(?)
Your ethnocentricism is kicking in. Just because they are aliens and not reskinned humans doesn't mean they aren't sentient.
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>>5312045
"Animalistic instincts", you fool. Balaathi are *literally* machines, they're not biological, they're literally living computers that float on clouds of gas.

>they aren't sentient
They're sentient, most animals are. Thing is, Balaathi aren't *sapient*. Again, literally all they think is "FOOD, EXPAND, FOOD, EXPAND"
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>>5311501
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>>5312049
Looks like you guys missed what Maktana was talking about in thread #1 lol
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>>5312049
>>5312049
>Again, literally all they think is "FOOD, EXPAND, FOOD, EXPAND"
That's when they're aphyxiated to the point of brain damage. Baalathi are capable of language and speech, we have talked to them.
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>>5312074
Migrators are definitely sapient, yes. He was right on that.
>>5312075
Yeah, and animals are capable of speech too. I still don't see any Balaathi having an actual conversation. Not "Beep bop we are angry" or "Beep bop expand" or "Beep Bop we are Calm"
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Just read the side quest

We have a real problem with these millions of ‘vegetable’ males in society

Surely getting them to do useless simulation testing is not a good use of resources

It would be better if we sent them all to barely liveable colony worlds to tough it out
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>>5312082
You know what, let's just cut out the middleman


BQM are Baalathi "animals" like nut thieves or space whales or are they "people" like Ventuck or Monkes
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>>5311932
I like the Hazaar fine, but I am msot interested in the Swall or Vetuck, myself, where alien spinoffs are concerned.
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>>5312170
I refer you to
>>5312074
or if you need a direct link
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2021/4854243/#p4889266
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>>5312182
They do communicate, though the migrators definitely have actual meaningful things. Tribes, accents, and they even kowe the concept of friends.
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>>5312211
https://archive.alice.al/qst/thread/5207039/#5213362
>Because you decided to not introduce the Baalathi to Max, your Argon-Rich gas giant in your home system, the fully power of a highly intelligent scientist breed of Baalathi has not been unlocked. In the meantime, they're little more then ambient wildlife.
That doesn't sound to me like they aren't sapient. You fuck anyone brain up enough they will speak like the Argon starved Baal did.
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>>5312218
It compares them to widlife, does it not? Ultimately, i dont think Balaathi will ever develop personalities, or make poetry, or do anything we would say a person could do, even if they have the ability to turn into living GPUs
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>>5312236
It says they are super scientists when they aren't argon starved .

Argon starvation basically lobotomizes them. If you cut off a Monke brain from oxygen it would do the same thing, probably worse.
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>>5312240
Are they actually able to think of a thesis on their own and discover, or do they essentially work as computing machines for scientists with free will?
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>>5312249
How are we supposed to know that when we've never seen them in their prime? We can't extrapolate from limited evidence.
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>>5312250
Did we not put an balaathi in a gas giant? The Max Mind?
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>>5311552
Well, maybe they will once we collectively have a plan to go against the worms, and not before.

> On Teaching
I’m sure we can try. We don’t need them to become exactly Jaxtians 1.5, we just need to give them the sam reverence for the Hegemony and deep seated fanatical patriotism.

> On Eugenics
That’s… no, that’s true and fair.
Well, as I said, if such is the case use them as think tanks and sharply restrict authority and autonomy. Worse comes to worse, we’ll do what we did to Ingar 2 to all of them, genetic tampering included.

> On integration and xenophobia.
Yeah. Yeah you’re right, that is unacceptable.
And we don’t even manage good integration either. Remember the billions of green Hazaar we made to work the plantations? That’s billions of souls whom we will never test for talent for anything else. Sure, the majority may be most suited to labour… but we still probably lost millions of talents.
We need to stop doing stuff like that and instead making aptitude tests where bigotry doesn’t cut out enormous swathes of our potential, and we need to actually enforce a glass ceiling on how far the genius aliens can go. We have… a lot to do.

On the family thing, we don’t actually know that. They’re Very Different from Hazaar (again, we share 98% of our DNA with apes and are very different IRL- the hybrids only share 90%). Until we actually try, I’m not willing to say it won’t work just because the red Hazaar are literally without empathy.

> Yuan & Ingar
Morals wise, again, Yuan wants to genocide because they learnt that directly from us. It just incidentally ends with us on the wrong side, thus Yuan is a greater threat to us directly.

> Seekers & Consortium
Well, easy then. We, the Hegenmony, can have interspecies cooperation where the Jaxtians run things, just like the Consortium and the worms. No need for equality.

>>5311552
Maybe they’ll open up when we start openly fighting the Consortium.

>>5311661
Before I knew more about what State Philosophers did, I’d agree, except Kerjak shows they’re definitely in the ruling class. We can’t realistically defend against a memetic attack and get intellectual talent out of our subjects, but Yuan getting a say in our policies is too bloody far.
>>5311666
That’s what I want too. I’m just pointing out that equality for everyone doesn’t really work out.

Most jobs worked aren’t high authority. These should be tested with aptitude without bigotry on an individual. But there should absolutely be a glass ceiling with few exceptions once you start having authority over more than a dozen people- not because Jaxtians are better, but because we’re the Hegemony and don’t trust anyone but Jaxtians.
We’re just currently in this limbo where we’re self-sabotagingly oppressive but still give people like Yuan the ability to directly punish us for it.
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>>5311673
There’s no indication that the hybrid Hazaar are somehow inherently flawed. They’re about as smart, capable of empathy, not as athletic but much more environmentally resilient and fast growing. The base Hazaar are absolutely stuffed and I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them in our state, but still.
And yes, making it really obvious we’re in a speciest dystopian state every day of their lives is not a recipe for a well adjusted populace, especially since we inherently devalue all of their achievements instead of letting them ride up to a point- so at every point, we have hybrids working alongside less competent Jaxtians in jobs their inherent nature saw them demoted to, wondering ‘why?’.

>>5312263
And Max Mind can handle an entire science department for us, which I still believe is an excellent indicator of sapience.
If they really were just dumb computers, Max Mind would not be an option to give leadership too. (And sufficiently advanced AI should count as sapient too, on that note.)

>>5311658
We… definitely are nowhere near *removing an entire specie’s capacity to feel empathy.*
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>>5312249
They built a space ship armada and a complicated computer algorithm by themselves. I don't think "animals" can do that and if they can they maya s well be considered people anyway.
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>>5312045
We were literally told by this str king guy that the hazaar took the old argon based computrs with them. Its literally just a runaway computer.
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>>5312271
The Hegemony genetics were capable of removing autistic Monkes totally through the gene pool. Given how autistic brains work that would entail an ability to alter specific parts of brain anatomy.
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>>5312271
Given what we now know about red Hazaar I don't think it's fair to see them as evil, they are just brain damaged. We should use generic engineering to cure them.
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>>5312275
It being a runaway computer is an indicator that it’s not organic, not that it’s not sentient and sapient.

>>5312276
The Hegemony genetics were able to weed out autism by selective breeding.
*All* red Hazaar lack empathy (*as far as I’mmaware). Even if we could very, very slowly breed empathy back into them, it would take many generations to see progress.
Better to just replace them with hybrids.
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>>5312277
You forget we’re also morally reprehensible by real world standards. It’s cheaper and more efficient to replace than cure, ergo we will replace, irregardless of whether the red Hazaar are victims or not. (And them being victims doesn’t change my views on currently not trusting them at all.)
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>>5312281
Can't we just Indigo program Hazzar with mirror neurons?
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>>5312283
The Hazaar don’t have wombs, so the Indigo program in any form couldn’t work on them.
And the indigo program still takes from existent Jaxtians- you’re thinking of outright gene editing, which we can do and use the Indigo program to convey the results into the wider populace. But I don’t know if we can ever manage to gene edit empathy back into them, and I doubt the Hegemony cares to research that when there’s a pretty obvious solution at hand.
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>>5312286
They'd be be good experimental test subjects for our new super genetic engineering machine, though!
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>>5312447
Truly, the Hegemony is a place for everyone.
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>>5312467
Hey, if we're integrating Red Hazaar, might as well see if we can fix the social disability they handicapped themselves with.
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>>5312480
No need to.
Replacing them is a magnitude easier than curing them. Simply put, the red Hazaar offer nothing their hybrids do not- a token population can be kept for scientific experimentation and new kinds of future hybrids, but frankly as the Hegemony we don’t have a particular need for any more.

It will take a very long time due to their lifespan, but we’ve no real impetus to not slowly phase them out.

The greatest evils, I feel, will extend not from profit but from practicality.
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*ideology, but practicality.
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>>5312735
Huh, i wonder if we'll see an Naonae soon. I don't think we had any candidate from that family.
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>>5312735
>Naonae family, which loves life, has lost prominence as our decisions have led to a Hegemony dominated by bigoted and self-aggrandizing propaganda

Sad, but checks out.
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>>5312742
No, it's not. That's stupid. We didn't see any "Naonae" in the early days, aka the first thread
>we became le heckin bigots
The Hegemony was literally created by a guy who genocided literally every single race in our planet except Mainlanders and Blondes

The literal first post is about how the hegemony is the best and that we're going to outlive the universe
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>>5312744
Maktana, my dear anon. I forget if it was ever outright stated, but I bet he is a Naonae. The Supreme candidate who discovered Migrator sapience and made it his life's mission to make sure the Jaxtians empathized with and somewhat respected those xenos, their distinct way of life, and their dignity...

And now we use those Migrators as GPS units that we can torture a little for a speed boost. The rest of the xenos aren't treated with exporatory curiosity any longer, but as existenial threats and a political football.
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>>5312749
>And now we use those Migrators as GPS units
No, they're literal navigators whom we literally depend upon for the functioning of our empire. Bananas literally called it the 'best possible option' to use them.
>but muh heckin bigotry
Migrators dont seem to care much of the time, it's when the fucking worms appear that there's a problem because they're way too innocent to face them in a psychic battle
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>>5312758
Look, I get that you're triggered right now, but I'm not against the Hegemony being bigoted. I'm merely pointing out that we have clearly drifted further from "an innate love of all living things."
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>>5312760
"Drifted" would require us being anywhere close to it in the first place
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>>5312749
>The second is Maktana. He comes from a long line of Supreme Rulers- in fact, he is a direct descendant of the very first supreme ruler.

I don't know about the Naonae - but, according to the first thread, he's a direct line descendent of AKULE.
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>>5312765
You said the secret phrase.
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>>5312765
Yeah, i really doubt that Genocideman has "an innate love of all living things", so i really doubt that, if they are in fact his descendants, that they are the only ones
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>>5312749
>>5312765

>You are now Maktana Naonae II and you feel that your life is deeply unnatural.

..So, yes, he is a Naonae.

Does this mean that Akule was 'Akule Naonae'? Even if the Jaxtians don't talk about that.
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>>5312758
It’s the best possible option for us. The inability of the migrators to effectively lobby for better working conditions leads to…

Well, look, we stick them in a three foot glass cube without any contact with any of their counterparts, cook them when we need to move swiftly and risk their lives against the psionic worms. It’s pretty horrible- they just don’t really seem to realise they could try to lobby for anything better yet.

>>5312742
Yeah…
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>>5312769
Don't forget, Vul and Talacent were father and son! But Talacent was raised by his mother with no familial influence, so their characters were very different (And Talacent had a different official family name - Indori, I think?)

Nurture has an affect as well as nature, and every generation is half the mother's line as well as the father's.
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>>5312768
Cool, what do we win?
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>>5312777
>Well, look, we stick them in a three foot glass cube without any contact with any of their counterparts
Would you prefer we put a bunch of them in a single tank for no reason?

Or that we make an gigantic-ass tank and waste space in a military vessel that could go towards keeping the sailors alve?
>>5312780
>Nurture has an affect as well as nature, and every generation is half the mother's line as well as the father's.
Yes, but Akule was *the first*, so you'd think that these Naonae would be either way more present or at least more *violent*, not "literally known for being peaceful"
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>>5312815
If we can have officer quarters and a room for the Supreme and Cultural Artifacts and still have a fully functional Bite of Batool, we can have a room that’s a fish tank instead of a box (which is especially bad for *migratory* fish).

And we can let them video call their fellow fish- we let our soldiers call home, and their work isn’t nearly as valuable.

We just don’t because the migrators work without those incentives, which we likely have not told them exist.
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>>5312847
>If we can have officer quarters and a room for the Supreme and Cultural Artifacts and still have a fully functional Bite of Batool
Those were there for the purpose of the aristocrat mission, were they not?
>And we can let them video call their fellow fish
That just sounds retarded, do migrators even use that kind of thing? What, are we going to drop screens on the seas of caplit?
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>>5312735
Who is the second Duolian supreme. I remember Kinja.

And how is the leader of the Supremacists related to Eoba?
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>>5312758
The one in charge of the Reconquista Fleet was literally being barbecued
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>>5312815
What if what actually happened in Akule's day isn't the same as the "official" story? Thus "The Unspeakable."
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>>5313001
Better to be uncomfortable for a while than to die because you didn't get a speed boost in the right hour
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>>5313005
Well, *someone* genocided all those jaxtian races.
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>>5313000
The second one's Hwat; though not the 'official' supreme right now he'd been wearing the Hegemonic Symbol for the length of Cijan's journey.
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>>5312735
>Scholiandlets left out once again
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>>5313184
Yuan and his Supreme ancestor are litteraly the only high-level members of that family.
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>>5312735
I really think we should have a timeline
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>>5312735
What happened to the Baltimians? We haven't played as a Baltimian Supreme over the course of the quest (unless, you'd count our instructions being interpreted through 'Helper'); but the two Supremes in office before Vantix Garastra were both of the Baltimian line. Is the family still around? Was Ingar of or related to this line?
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>>5312993
I think we always have officer quarters, we just devoted an extra suite to carry the Supreme for this mission. But the point is that those imply we could devote a room for fish withoug losing functionality- just take it out of the artifacts room or something.

And I meant the other navigators; the ones on Caplit sleep most of the time.
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>>5312735
This is pretty cool desu

It prompted me to comb the archive and create a list of all notable characters.

I said above >>5311251 that there has not been dynastic succession in our history – but it is clear that several ‘elite’ families (namely the Garastra) have a very strong influence in our Empire.

Five interesting things to note:
- No Imperial Robe has ever duplicated and we don’t know what either purple or yellow mean
- The Baltimian family fell out of favour and relevance after the rise of the Garastra family
- There was never a mention of Ingar’s family line
- Qet Scholiander was from a commoner family, so I wonder what the link to Yuan’Tul was
- The list of named characters has grown with later generations
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>>5313726
>No imperial robe has ever duplicated
>Gaftar III and Agori
?
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>>5313726
Thanks for this.

Ingar's family name is "Durix" which was mentioned only in the plot synopsis for Thread #4. I had the idea to make him of the Baltimian line to be like the "bad guys" but I decided against it to avoid the world feeling too small.
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>>5313730
Noticed after I posted - nearly never duplicated.

>>5313732
No worries, was interesting to do.

I thought he may have been Baltimian given their affinity for computers and AI, but that's a fair reason.

Wouldn't be surprised if our next Supreme is the direct son of Cijan

Is the Anak family a noble bloodline?
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I did say the next spin off was going to be an alien perspective, didn't I?

New Thread: >>5312778
I have no idea who made this but thanks lol I found it pretty funny
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>>5313730
No player supreme has ever duplicated a robe.

Also when did we find out Gaftar III's robe.

Also Talacent was biologically Takar, not Garasta
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>>5313913
>Quest so fucking big it got its own Spaceballs



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