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The time of expansion is over for TalOS, even as the Great Crusade rages on in space. Several years have crossed with the now Fabricator General working on building an Empire within an Empire. After this time though, opportunities have once again presented themselves. The trials and tribulations of Rulership must be overcomed, something that brothers have been broken over.

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As the nearby star crested upon Lucius it gave view to the numerous warships that now orbited their birthing planet. Each of these ships were scorched black as a star sheared its presence upon their metal layers. After this blackened steel was the clear red marking that announced their purposes, the fact that they were to be used as Crusaders in a Crusade to take back what was rightfully mankind’s.

This force was inbound for the Imperial Fists, a Legion who was closer to the Federation than any of the other Imperial Legions that surrounded it. Said Legion welcomed the assistance openhandidly, if a little miffed that they could not approach the same level of assistance that the Federation gave them.

It was an oddity at the end of the day to all those who were not a part of the Reconquista. Let it be the Lords of Mars or the Found Primarchs none of them could understand the logic.

For TalOS though the thought was simple. The Fabricator General, who held within his cogitators such immense respect that he will not allow the man to falter, should be given to the Legion who will match his respect. That Legion, the Imperial Fists, was the Legion who not only had honor but respected the Magos whenever they conversed with one another.

Thus they were the perfect choice.

+My time upon Lucius comes to an end.+ The Once Fabricator General announced as he looked upon the vessel, +It is… hard to think this time came.+

TalOS looked over the battleform of the Fabricator General. He was no longer just a simple man but instead a massive construct that was capable of warfare on a scale only TalOS could imagine. This battleform was crafted from the loving hands of the World’s Artificers, whose prominence was owed to his dedication to their cause.

And that ignored his body as well, of which was regenerated with the mystical sciences that TalOS knew. No longer was he an enfeebled and weakened soul, but one whose very genes thought themselves to be in their very youth. TalOS had gone as far as he could with that man, only stopping at the potential of implanting his Geneseed into such a venerable person to give him an Astarte’s Longevity.

+It is… hard to believe in myself.+ TalOS admitted as he looked up at the massive form of the man-machine, +When I grew up I did not think I would become what I am, even if you did. I knew I was a warrior, but it feels right to carry on your legacy.+

+I concur with your senses.+ The Fabricator General said as a Mechanrite was placed upon the Primarch’s shoulder, +Be the leader I have always thought you capable of.+

+When we meet again, Explorator Dominus Lucius.+ TalOS spoke the new name of the man before him as a send off to his next step in life.
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TalOS took the moment to look at the time seed that was being given by his internal chronomatic systems. The systems marked the date as 825.M30, putting it as a few years after he had taken full reign as Forge World Lucius’s Fabricator General.

Overall production has increased by about three times since he took the reins. Most planets within the system would have been marked as backwaters when they were taken, but with each planet TalOS’s Terraforming Task Force succeeded in modifying the changes could no longer be called insignificant.

Before TalOS was the next planet to be transformed. Marked A-53-150 it was to become an Agri World for Count Liondros. The man had told TalOS that he wanted his planet to sport some wildlife, the kind that would make good sport for his children and people.

It was not a unique request. TalOS could count five other Knights who wanted some sense of nature upon their world filled with agriculture. Such things were easy to put in as planetary designs went, TalOS would admit. Such creatures were bad for crops and might actively harm them but many world hosted regions of isolation. Let it be a mountain range or an island the Fabricator General could partition these easily.

For this planet specifically there was a penisola where the mountains bordered it from the mainland and it was flanked by oceans that prevented any escape by ocean.

So with those in mind TalOS designed the ecosystem. Several breeds of vulpines, wolf, and cervus were being devoted to the region. These breeds were specifically chosen to adapt to the atmospheric mixture that would be dominating the planet. A resistance that TalOS would need to instill as a genetic cocktail to the new residences unless they wished to suffer several chemical issues.

As he looked away from that relatively small region TalOS’s ire turned to the rest of the planet. The entire planet was to be transformed with the introduction of genetically modified wildlife and chemical factories that will die the world a much harder blue. Entire continents will be flattened with windbreaks the size of mountains to instill maximum ethicacy related to rain and winds.

TalOS leaned back to look at his masterwork as someone walked up next to him, +That's… so cool.+

+It is.+ TalOS said as a reply to Trig who was looking at the construction, +At the instruction of my hands entire worlds are rebuilt from the ground up. If primitive men were to see it they would think it the act of a God, and they would be correct. For what I create is by the will of the Machine God.+
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With those words TalOS gave a speechless command for the system to parcel the package and prepare it to be migrated to the Terraforming Fleet. It will take a little while before it gets there as revisions and modifications were made by the Magos operating in the Terraforming fleet. A time table of three months though was acceptable to TalOS, who knew that moving entire worlds was a monumental task.

With that thought TalOS patted the boy on the head while giving a hearty laugh, +So you are back from your lessons? Did Marshall EK1T0R show you anything new?+

+Yes! He showed me this cool trick with a sword!+ The twelve year old child announced as he made a motion with his wrist, +I was able to disarm a Practice Servitor doing it!+

+Interesting… I will need to take it into consideration.+ TalOS said as he held his chin, +Lets go see Vera.+

+Okay!+ He said while opening the door for the Fabricator General.

Walking into the main halls TalOS glanced upon a small person who held a robe over her face. Said robes were of a blackened color, but much closer to the gray steel that would be associated with non-Lucian grade steel. Though this color was something only a Priest would notice as outsiders would mistaken the person as a member of the Cult that ruled over them all.

That was the point, TalOS admitted, as this clothing was to be worn by anyone who had yet to achieve the rank of Adept. He watched the girl take the hood down to show a young face that would place her at about fifteen years of age. She gave a bow to TalOS, as all people should when met with the presence of the Fabricator General.

+Protocol 11544.+ TalOS told her to allow her to raise her head. As always she looked sort of crestfallen, just like the time TalOS rescued her when she was a child. But, against all of that, he noticed a moment of happiness as she looked upon the one who gave her a new life.

+Fabricator General TalOS.+ The girl said all too formally for TalOS’s tastes, +I have returned from my lessons with Magos K3TT3R.+

+Good, I hope you have learned lots.+ TalOS said as he brushed the girl’s head with his hand.

>Time for some dinner
>Let's go out for a little bit
>Gladiatorial Events are happening
>Children, let's see the Sons.
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>>5443272
>Children, let's see the Sons.
>Time to hang out with your other siblings!
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>>5443272
>>5443283
>Support
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>He was no longer just a simple man but instead a massive construct that was capable of warfare on a scale only TalOS could imagine.
I love the Fabricator General. A man who truly takes after our own heart, and exemplifies the virtues of steel that all techpriests should aspire to.

Here is a shining example that even the power of Emperor wrought geneforge cannot match to the limitless potential of the Machine, even when gifted to a mortal man. May we continue to follow such an example, and excel beyond the confines of our Primarch's body further.

And piss of Fulgrim too
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>>5443272
>Gladiatorial Events are happening
Step 1: Take our kids out to an awesome outing of Robot Knight fights
Step 2: Encourage them that this is also, as they say in gothic, "really frakking cool"
Step 3: See about getting our kids their own war frames

Our Creator is going to invent Psi-Titans.
We may want to one day invent Null-Titans.

Why not start with Null-Armigers for our kids, so they can project their anti-psychic field within the protection of a powerful knight frame?

Also I want to see the Lucius Colosseum anyway even if we can't do Null Knights.
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>>5443317
>>Support
Makes sense to give our kids and the nulls the best protection there is. If they're already going to be chivalrous nobles, might as well make them knights.
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>>5443272
>>Gladiatorial Events are happening
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>>5443272
>Children, let's see the Sons.
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>>5443272
>Children, let's see the Sons.
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>>5443272
>Gladiatorial Events are happening
Let's share some good quality fun with them.
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>>5443272
>Gladiatorial Events are happening
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TAL0S is such a lucky primarch. He's got a wife, two adopted children, loving parents, faith and home. It's no wonder he's so stable. Imagine if all the other Primarchs had that touch of humanity in them.
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>>5443949
Don't forget he had three helpful mentor figures, the chief genetor that I forgot the name of that taught us, Admin the one in charge of the titan legions and Lucius, the FB not planet, who gave us his support since the start. Also our best friend D3X to keep him humble by being very competent and trustworthy.
The least human of all primarchs is the most in touch with humanity. Maybe only Vulcan could match him.
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>>5443953
>The least human of all primarchs is the most in touch with humanity.
I really love this particular fact.

It also fits well in our own ideology. We are told to abhor Silica Anima and the weakness of Flesh. The body should strive to be steel, and the mind must always remain some level of organic lest we fall into the perils of AI.

A body of machine, and the mind of a man, just as the Machine God intended. Life is good.
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>>5443955
What i find important in this is that while moving torwards the Machine in body, he stays human in his mind. That includes his emotions, in contrast to most of his peers he had no emotional vaults or inhibitors installed, which makes him closer to human at his core that is driving the machine.
But he also doesn't let himself be ruled by his emotion, he practices a delicate balance of emotional enjoyment and utilitarian detachment from them, more a monk than a priest.
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>>5443969
Which also would explain why he opted against having his sons to become reliant upon such methods. I suppose I concede that was ultimately the better choice.

I do think it's unfortunate they are affected more strongly by the Particep Semper's rage than we are.

I suppose this is how Sanguineous feels about the Red Thirst and Black Rage, such emotions he personally deals with so well, but it saddens him to see his sons fall victim too.

Still, we are lucky, our anger is nowhere near the same level like the Blood Angels are, and hopefully our efforts to excise their connection with the Titan will end up being a net positive.

We have options eitherway, we will always have emotional vaults, and we will always have the usual mechanicus rage boosters too. That's the best part is if we ever decided, we can just make adjustments to suit our needs.
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>>5443272
>Gladiatorial Events are happening
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Also, Null Knights inside Knights is based and I hope we get to do that.
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Is anyone able to archive of thread 10 onto suptg? I noticed it hasn't been archived yet.

I would try but I'm a mobile fag
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>>5444013
Put the request right now, it's going to go through in a bit.
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>>5443272#
>Gladiatorial Events are happening
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>>5443272
>Gladiatorial Events are happening
Seems cool.
Are there only knights and humans fighting or also captures xenos?
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>>5444122
Everything I hope. Never a shortage of orks in the Galaxy, as well as other Xenos to be abhored. And criminals too, whose crimes were too heinous to warrant servitorization, hoping for the slimmest chance to earn the right to fight in a penal brigade. Also Cybernetica. It's basically a chance for every facet of society, from the lowliest tinkerer to the eldest of tech guild magi, to showcase their latest weapons and please TalOS with their works.

Tbh, as much as Lorgar hates us, I feel like a rivalry with Angron would be cool too. We're very much the definition of a High Rider. A rich noble overseeing gladitorial games from lofty towers of ivory and steel.
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Giant robots, the latest weapons, and an endless supply of prisoners and xenos. Just like the good old days of the Federation.
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Hey QM.
What's the chances that some of our sons are taking part in the Gladiatorial games anyway?
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See the Sons!
>>5443283
>>5443284
>>5443469
>>5443643

Gladiatorial Event
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>>5443372
>>5443441
>>5443841
>>5443862
>>5443976
>>5444101
>>5444122

>>5444135
Yeah, that does make sense. Though the plan was never for him to like TalOS.
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It was coming close to night, which for the Fabricator General is the time of rest. Such was the allotted time given to him by the F.A.G. that both himself, Priests, and their Servants would follow accordingly for maximum industrial output. But really though it was taking TalOS away from something he had gained a small nack for liking, and supplementing it with something else.

They traveled without issue. Just as TalOS had done when he was a child he guided the two of them through the grandeur of the city in which they lived. Smoke covered the tops of all the manufactoriums that were around them as they pelted out the materials needed to arm the Auxilia that were to march out into the skies. Among those, hundreds of smaller workshops and laboratories owned by Adepts of all types scattered about allowing TalOS’s latest design to go underway.

As he crossed the streets the people around him did not move to dodge him. They did not make way as they would for any Knight of Dutonis. Instead they treated him just like any other person, trying their best to avoid collision with the large Tech Priest who dominated their view and the presence of something awfully foul among the children. The People of Lucius after all had gotten used to the subtle and ever present nullification that surrounded the planet now, and those who could not cope had become starch for the rest.

The three of them ascended a pair of staircases and into a trolley system. This was part of a greater network that covered the entire city. Unlike other more standard infrastructure within a Hive City, this network was wired into a central bay that hosted a series of rails and cranes. Thus, with ease, the carts were moved in just the right way to easily reorganize for new routes.

TalOS and his children stepped upon one of these recently moved vessels along with several dozen others. The children stayed at the walls with small wrists clicking active. Such a thing was needed, TalOS knew, for if anyone were to accidentally touch one of these children their mind might be rendered asunder. Thus, experimental technology was to be employed.

TalOS gave it a failure rate of 1.7%, which was respectable. It was hard when the Psi Crystals attempted to satisfy the Pariahs would shatter from the constant consumption of their souls. TaloS knew, for a fact, that if they grew excited that failure rate would shoot up to 76%. Such an error was not on the device, but the Material. TalOS might need to consider Blackstone but the idea of such a thing made it impossible to consider.

The trolley tugged as the inertia keeping them in place was defeated by the Machines Spirits of the cart. TalOS watched as his internal tracking systems realized the rate of travel to accelerate at a reasonable rate. They will arrive right on time according to the chronometer and the Machine Spirit’s calculations that existed within the body of TalOS.
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The Colosseum was built specifically to entertain both the Nobles and Knights who arrived on Lucius during TalOS’s coronation. Such a time had already long passed, several realizations were made among the Priests as they checked their numbers. For several weeks after the Colosseum was built production. It was realized that this was because of an increase in personnel morale, which caused ever more confusion among the Priests until they began monitoring the conversations of their menials.

A great many of them talked about what was happening here. The rivalries that were forming and the guest appearances from several warriors from abroad. Everyone was talking about the match between the Fabricator General and his brother, and how they will never see anything like it ever again.

It was after a year of its operations, after dozens of inquiries and studies, that the Colosseum was a powerful amenity that satisfied over half of the Forge World.

As TalOS walked the star scorched halls he sensed a moment’s irony about that discovery. Many of the Priests began processing and comprehending numerical code when this was realized. Taking in the amount being paid to maintain the facility and how much it would cost for others. After cost benefit analysis was finished, it was realized that the Colosseum was cheaper than mass distribution of sedatives or crafted entertainment.

This was the reason as TalOS looked around he noticed the sheer amount of artisandry that even the walls outside the main stadium had. As the Priesthood decided that Noble Combat was optimal that they should invest into it, and when Lucius does something they do not hold back.

The group finally arrived at where they were walking, a small contingent of Astartes standing at attention waiting to receive their Primarch as well as meet the Steel Wardens who had been tailing their Primarch all the way here. They gave TalOS a nod and a data link, which told the Primarch that it was clear to enter the room without fear of any kind.

+FINALLY!+ Shouted Trig as he threw himself on one of the nearby chairs and disabled the wristband that was on him, +My feet hurt.+

TalOS heard a small laugh coming from Vera as he walked over and took the star scorched, red striped chair.
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TalOS took in the view of the crowd, the people more entertaining to the Primarch at the moment than anything that could be happening below. The time before the real event was set with numerous pieces of news distributed by the Priesthood, followed by executions and court ordered punishments to be carried out by the Skitarii.

+I wonder what we will see today!+ exclaimed Trig as he sat himself in the chair correctly to see the proceedings.

+Travel logs show that a large amount of Mega-Fauna have arrived on Lucius.+ Vera answered with information she gained from the numerous datavaults that TalOS had access to, +Fabricator General TalOS, I assume these creatures were not arriving for the Genetors.+

+A few of them were.+ TalOS told her as he watched the last few men be executed for Heresy against the Machine God, +Arch Genetor R3KT thought that a few of them could have helpful genecode for the purposes of grox rebuilding. It is an interesting idea, the idea that he could raise their intake to weight ratio from a null point three to a null point five would be a massive boon.+

+Really…+ There was the voice of sadness within the voice of Trig as he heard that, +Well, when I grow up, I will destroy creatures just like those! Just like the Knights I will cut them down for the good of people everywhere!+

+And you will get that chance.+ TalOS said while patting the kid on the head, +Your body just needs to grow a little bit more than we can start the gene-therapy.+

+Ohhhhhh…+ Trig languished in a manner TalOS realized only children could produce.

+Don’t you worry.+ TalOS said while patting him on the head and rising from his seat, +Wait for a moment, I need to welcome the crowd.+

TalOS got a small nod from the kid as Vera took her place among the chairs. The Primarch linked his vox to the speakers that were all around him, which quickly caused everyone who could to look at him where he stood.

“People of Lucius!” He roared throughout the Colosseum in a voice produced in his cogitators, not his personal vox speaker, “I welcome you all to another night of fighting and battles. I have the privilege today to be the Ruler of this event. As Ruler, I welcome the first battle within my domain tonight!”

>Knight on Knight
>Man Vs. Monster *Could be Knight or Normal Man*
>Mass battle between convicts.
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>>5444303
>Knight on Knight
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>>5444303
>Knight on Knight
Solaris time
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>>5444023
Thanks anon <3

>The archive for thread 10 is up. Get voting faggots
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
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>>5444303
>Knight (mech) vs Monster
I want to entertain Trig's imagination, and also convince him to become a Knight (Pilot) himself.

Far better than just being a super soldier ground infantry, he could project his field inside the security of a warform.
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>>5444303
>knight Vs. Monster (a kaiju like creature Magos Pterraxi discovered he sent it to the Lucius for study and the games.)
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>>5444303
>Knight on Knight
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>>5444303
>Knight (mech) vs Monster (Kaiju like creature)
Fuck yes!
https://youtu.be/jJQTWuVlp08
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>>5444303
>First a mass of convicts vs a monster that will slaughter them in a spectacular fashion. Then we release dozens of lesser monsters into the arena and send a Knight and soldiers in to slay them all.

A knight bravely leading men against a monster and it's wretched horde would be cool. The convict battle against it at the start is partly to sate the audience's bloodlust and to build up the monster as actually deadly in their minds. The lesser monsters are released in so that there's stuff for the soldiers to kill.
As for the soldiers, they're in the fight both to glorify the federal military and add to the grandeur of the battle, making it feel more real.
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"TaloS knew, for a fact, that if they grew excited that failure"
Fascinating, so Pariah's consumptions correlates with their excitement and emotional level, rather than the opposite. Useful. I love that our children act as normal children, Trig and Vera, and it's great they don't have to suppress their emotions to enhance their powers. The opposite even. And they seem so happy. Even if we have been a father away for long periods of time, I am glad they seem to have had as good an upbringing as we could give them. A life with purpose and faith, and I'm sure even the briefest of time spent with "Granduncle" Malcador was worth it. I hope they have good memories of Xana and the other null children we've been sending there.

Best of all Trig is embracing his role and loves it.

TalOS had good parents, so for what its worth, I think we can at least say he has been good parents to these two.
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>>5444303
>Knight on knight
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>>5444303
>Knight (mech) vs Monster (Kaiju like creature)
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I am happy with this stuff. Got a piece wrong and broke a knife but managed to salvage it all
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>>5444761
Oh no, not the dreaded deldar pants battalion!
Keep up the good work anon, I want to see how it's going to look finished
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>>5444764
That had me laughing, well done anon
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https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
be sure to vote you faggots
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>>5444303
>Knight on Knight.
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>>5444303
>>Mass battle between convicts.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
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TMQM, even if the vote is to focus on your writing, can it be fair to say the other options still occur just in the background? It would be nice to know. I want Mech vs Monster, but I also believe we would have mass convict battles anyway as an appetizer to the main show.
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Welcome to the Lucian Federation, enjoy your homestyle corpse-starch and circuses...
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>>5444841
Just as the Machine God and the ancients intended.
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>>5444303
>Knight (mech) vs Monster
>If possible: Convict fights as prelude
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>>5444829
It wouldn't be a proper Colosseum event without at least a few thousand convicts to start things off.
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>>5444303
>Knight (mech) vs Monster (Kaiju like creature)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUxJ8P3bH8k
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Knight on Knight
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>>5444316
>>5444348
>>5444624
>>5444792

Knight Vs. Mech (And Dead Convicts)
>>5444334
>>5444335
>>5444351
>>5444368
>>5444671
>>5444890
>>5445008

Convicts shall fight!
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>>5445056
>(And Dead Convicts)
Very based
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>>5445056
Also I take it you mean to say "Knight vs Monster"
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>>5445078
Yes, yes I did.
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Upon the words of TalOS a nearby gate opened. From this gate several men walked out to the roar and applause of thousands who had the lucky chance of viewing this event. For a moment the entire field in front of them flickered to a blue color before the void shield disappeared again for the people watching.

“Before you today stand the wicked and the accused. The men you have witnessed before held the honor and respect to prostrate themselves before the Machine God, these fools however did not.” TalOS announced as the group of men were testing out their guns.

Among them was a series of men that were either dreadful murders or sycophants. A couple of them were even new Initiates into the Cult, but they were fools who ran aground of the Machine God’s doctrines. If TalOS remembered one of them even attempted to create an AI, which landed him into this damnable state.

“These men of dishonor have been given unto the beasts. The Machine God no longer cares for them and as such they shall be fed to the beasts.” TalOS told the crowd as he gave the caveat, “But each of these men fight with the knowledge that if the Machine God grants them strength that they could potentially win. If such a mercy is given, then they shall be let go.”

As TalOS said these words another of the massive gates opened with the Colosseum shaking somewhat with each step. Everyone turned to look at the massive collard monster that gave a beastial roar.

“Before you all stands the Mega-Fauna of B-45-76, recognized as a Ruptsarian.” TalOS said to the group as the beast gave another roar, “Today, with the grace of Arch Explorator Pterraxi, we shall see just one of the many horrors that fight against us in the Galaxy.”

With those words the creature roared while giving charge. It was a massive creature that was covered in razor sharp blades. It ran on all fours but when it reached some of the convicts the front pat of the creature wrapped them in a deathly embrace. Like some kind of carnal machine the men were turned into ribbons with a tug of the death-beast’s front arms.

The men all around the creature began shooting at it with the last rifles and autoguns that they had when they were captured. TalOS could hear Trig cheering on the Mega-Fauna as it turned fellow men into pieces of flesh. As everyone watched the creature took one of the ribboned pieces with its mouth and ate the piece without chewing. As seen here, TalOS learned that these creatures lacked any teeth due to the massive spikes on their body already processing the food for them.
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“Brutal.” Vera said as she looked down upon the dead and dying with a scoff, “Those are the kind of creatures we must fight?”

“In time, yes.” TalOS admitted to her as he glanced at the last remaining convicts, a Tech Priest and Serial Killer, attempting a last stand. The Priest managed to produce a Plasma pistol that sheared into the creature’s eye, but that was not enough to stop it from rushing over towards him, “The Galaxy is a dangerous place.”

Vera was silent after that, instead taking the time to study the magnificent creature in all its bloodied glory. TalOS noticed that whatever color the creature was before did not matter now, for it was bloodied by the numerous pieces of corpse that now covered its flesh. With a sickening and practiced motion it reached over to lick one of the corpses from a spike, leading it into a toothless maw.

Where once there was a cheering crowd now the people were looking upon the creature with disgust. The creature before them was indeed a creature that had no qualms with humanity and was indeed one of their great enemies. It was at this moment that TalOS rose to meet the crowd.

“People of the Federation, while the creature has exacted upon the heretics the wrath we all feel, it does not carry with it the wrath of the Machine God.” TalOS said as the monster began prowling around to examine the crowd that were looking upon it, “That is the reason we expand across the sector and the Emperor of Man wages his war, to rid us of this filth.”

With those words the creature gave a roar to the crowd. It began to prowl and lick the blood off its spikes as it prepared itself for the next fight. As it did so another pair of doors opened to release out onto the field a series of smaller versions of that creature, each of them tearing into the flesh of the dead with razor sharp limbs.

“But we, the Federation, are not like these fools. For we have the Machine God on our side!”

Upon that announcement a gate began to open. Each of the monstrous creatures that were about the battlefield began to back up as heavy mechanical hydraulics walked into the arena. Decorated in bright red and gold colors the Knight Gallant looked out upon the people with a Ruler’s prominence. Just as he walked out two squads of Skitarii came out into the battlefield. One group equipped with the Shock Maul and Shields of the Secarii and the others were Skitarii Rangers given their Galvanic weapons.

The Noble Knight raised his chainsword into the air causing the crowd to go wild with righteous fury.

As they did TalOS announced, “Count Vlassis, show them the might of the Machine God!”
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Upon command the Knight blared his horn, causing the creatures to do the same and begin the attack.

The creatures were closing the space between man and monster fast. These monsters were after all from a Death World, and as such had to have both speed and lethality in order to live. Before they could gain much distance though the Knight brought his weapon down like an instructor, causing the Skitarii Rangers to release a volley of gunfire into the rushing beasts.

The creatures before them quickly began falling upon the ground. Their hides, while well armored, did not help them against the piercing force of their Mechanical foe.

It was after the second volley that the Knight decided it was time to charge. The roar of his engines and blaring of his horn caused the entire crowd to cheer him on as the two massive things came at one another. TalOS looked over to see even Vera looking upon the battle with immense interest.

When the Knight made contact the massive machine went in for a nice punch into the creature’s chest. The monster quickly being thrown around as the immense strength of the metal behemoth turned a variety of different organs into a comfortable paste within the monster’s body.

Just as he was impacting the smaller children of the massive monster made contact with the Shield equipped Skitarii. The men on the floor struggled to keep back the bladed limbs from themselves in a series of ways, such as putting the shield in one direction while bashing the limbs with the shock maul.

At that moment the massive one finally got a chance to fight back, swinging a limb in just a way that it latched onto a Knights Pauldron and brought him in for the death hug it gave so many others.

In that second there was tension on the action. TalOS could not feel it, but he could see it on everyone’s faces with the perception gifted to him by the Machine Spirits. But TalOS knew what would happen.

The sound of a chainsword began to cry throughout the field as the monster gave the greatest scream a mortal man could imagine. Everyone watched as the Chainsword raptured from the Ruptsarian’s back, and in the next second the weapon was yanked across the sternum riping an entire side out of the creature’s torso.

At the same moment the Skitarii blocking the attacks were given a second’s chance to fall back. This gave those behind them, the Rangers, with clear shots to kill the offspring with a double salvo.

The Knight placed a single foot on the top of the creature as it raised a bloodied chainsword into the air, causing the entire Colosseum to roar in triumph.

>>Anyone have a name for this city.
>Walk around the city
>Go have some dinner in a more upscale restaurant.
>Visit the Knight and the Skitarii Victors
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>>5445084
>Visit the Knight and the Skitarii Victors
I'm voting for Solaris as the name because it's near the colosseum. My excuse is that it's named in honor of the sun inside Lucius, and totally not a reference to a different franchise.
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>>5445084
>Name for this city:
>Forgespire Solaris
>Named after the hidden sun of Lucius, famed for its gigantic Colloseum and the grand Federal Senate building
All of Lucius is one big industrial metropolis, so I gather "city" means spire in this case
>Visit the Knight and the Skitarii Victors
>WRITE-IN: Look around if there are any Knights we can send to Xana willing to take a few Blanks as squires, and for our son Trig.
They will need to have souls of steel to survive the presence of Xana. It obviously cannot be the Princes because they will be busy with exploration on our behalf
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>>5445084
>City-Name: Solaris
>Visit the Knight and the Skitarii Victors
>Write-In: Find knights for our children to squire under and other blanks on Xana
Null Knights please. Vera can become one too if she wants, unless she wants to be some other kind of fighter
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>>5445084
>Go have some dinner in a more upscale restaurant.
Tigris after the only gladiator to never lose
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>>5445084
>City-Name: Spire Solaris
>Ask some Knights to make Trig and Vera squires, and others to go to Xana
>We could do this over dinner (at an upscale restaurant)
That's twice QM has mentioned eating dinner, maybe wants to show off the progress Lucius has made in the culture department. I think it's reasonable to say we could invite some of the victorious knights to dinner yes?

As the capital planet we're entertaining hive nobles and some of the wealthiest dynasties across the realm, even perhaps the Imperium at large. I bet its Federation style dining. With expertly trained servants and gold plated bionics.
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>>5445084
>Walk around the city
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>>5445215
I want it to be a 'common day' sorta situation. SO whats more common than eating?
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>>5445257
Do you prefer our votes to focus only on that? It does sound like Trig would be ecstatic over the idea of defeating monsters like the knights as a pilot.
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>>5445268
Not really, honestly its there because I could not think of anything else. If you think of a cool activity to do with the kids let us know!
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>>5445283
here's some ideas.
>going through Tal0S's personal zoo. (so many species so many useful genetic samples.

>going to a mechanics arcade like Uzi did in her childhood (they better have not!dawn of war 1&2)

>Going and watch some children's holofilms
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>>5445084
>Name for this city: Forgespire Solaris
>Go have some dinner in a more upscale restaurant.
>restaurant is Wendy's... they use real meat

Gimme gimme chicken tendies, Be they crispy or from Wendys. Spend my hard-earned good-boy points, on Kid's Meal ball pit burger joints.
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>>5445084
>>Go have some dinner in a more upscale restaurant.
we better go to THE upscale restaurant but I fear there won't be any chairs... how can we find decent chairs? In fact, you think we will be able to enter the building at all if it is in a highrise location
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>>5445438
It wouldn't be anywhere near a proper upscale 40k/sci fi noble restaurant if every booth was not the size of a feudal feast table, able to accommodate everything from the noble who intentionally keeps himself fat as a status symbol carried around upon his hover chair, to high ranking Archmagos or allied Fabricator General who has become one with his Abeyant. The best Lucian restaurant, held to the standards of ancient Terra and wealthy Manachea, would surely have its VIP booth specifically a throne set for TalOS size and grandeur.

Also pretty much on every Primarch touched planet, they made Primarch sized chairs for such occasions. In unremembered empire it was noted how Roboute specifically designed a particular room where the small chairs of mortals would be up front, the bigger chairs of space marines in the middle, and his gigantic chair far off in the back, but in such a way via visual illusion that everyone's chair seemed to be the same size, a bit like the "Round Table" type deal.

Ferrus Manus had his big throne in the feast hall on Fenris too. At some point as we get larger and larger, our booth may become less a Throne and more a space to park our dreadnought sized form. Just like the post indomitus Fabricator General when they attend the Terran Council, their full form is the size of a building and carried via mass lifter, and there's a huge tunnel for it just outside the council chambers, and a space for the tank that contains his organic body to stick through Dune Navigator style.
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>>5445489
*Leman Russ on Fenris
Ferrus almost certainly was not into feasting
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>>5445385
I'd love to see Tal0s going to a movie and munching on pop-starch with the kids
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>>5445495
Him going to watch the little servitor that could, an inspiring tale of servitor dutifully a facility under attack alone after all the other were destroyed.
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>>5445385
All of these sound fun

>>5445496
When Land discovers his Land's Raider, the film "Fury" will be about a brave machine spirit that fought against an Ork warband long after its space marine crew had died.
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>>5445084
>Name for this city: Forgespire Solaris
>Go have some dinner in a more upscale restaurant
>Ask Trig and Vera if they want to be esquired and become Null Knight pilots
We could go for a more private affair, just us and our children enjoying dinner.

Inviting the victors to dine in the restaurant is a good idea at least. Perhaps Trig can even point which one he thinks was the most impressive and want to esquire for.
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>>5445594
>Support
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Dinner
>>5445736
>>5445594
>>5445438
>>5445407
>>5445215
>>5445120

Walk around the city
>>5445223

Visit the Gladiators
>>5445098
>>5445090
>>5445088

I think I got it.
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>>5445878
I wonder what's for dinner
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>>5445884
I'm so hungry I could eat a Mega Grox
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>>5445489
Yes yes Talos, your bloatness we have a table and chair just for you
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+That was so cool!+ Shouted Trig as the smell of cooked meat welcomed them, +He cut right through it! As it was attacking him!+

+The Count showed himself to be very skilled with a blade and also knowing what his Knight can take.+ TalOS said as he picked up some meat for himself to eat, +He is just one of the many warriors among the Knights of Dutonis. Know this Trig, he is just one warriors in a force now cresting a thousand.+

The Child’s eyes widened as he heard those words, +Amazing.+

+Lucius is currently slotted to create fifty of their Chassis this year, right?+ Vera asked as she bit into her own meal.

+Yes it is. Dread the day when we will start losing a vast amount of them to attrition, but at this moment we do not need to worry about such things and simply help the Knights swell their numbers.+ TalOS said as he took a bite out of a genetically modified grox, +Where did you learn that?+

+The Artisans at the Star Forge were talking about it.+ She pointed out as the meal continued, +Discussion was around who shall have the honor to create such Machines, and that you awarded that to Magos N3K1S.+

+I had not awarded that directly to him, but the Arch Artisan likely invoked my name to give that honor.+ TalOS pointed out as he looked upon Vera with a small bit of curiosity, +But you have become able to ease drop upon those of the Priesthood?+


The girl stopped her meal for a moment before lowering her head, +I am sorry Fabricator General, I did not mean to. I did not mean to violate the privacy of the Adepts.+

+I have no issue with it.+ TalOS admitted as he thought back to the data djinn that still roams about Mars, +What I care more is how you were able to do it.+

+U-understood.+ She recovered herself from a near prostration, +I believe it is because they did not have the proper augmentations to detect me.+

TalOS took a moment to think. The Psi-Scanners would have easily learned of Vera’s presence, but also a standard auspex would. But that was not the most interesting thing, for above all TalOS realized that the men likely did not have a feeling they were being eavesdropped on.

The Primarch took another second to rationalize the possibility, that the adepts did not get the feeling that they were being watched so did not activate active countermeasures. Such a thing must be a quirk of blanks for they are invisible to the warp.
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The meal continued with everyone taking a sample of the meat before them. TalOS knew that while Corpse Starch was immensely nutritious it did not taste the best. It was this that he suspected caused a lowering of morale among the workshops.

Such was the reason they were here, +Does everyone enjoy Grox-165?+

+Yes!+ Trig announced as he took another fork full. VEra simply gave the Primarch a nod to answer his question.

+Does it have anything you two would describe as a funny taste? Such as a lingering taste or chemical tange?+ TalOS questioned again as he looked upon them.

+Nope.+ Trig said as he continued digging into the meal.

Vera looked upon TalOS for a quizzical moment, +Is this one of your experiments?+

+Yes.+ TalOS admitted as he glanced around the room of the numerous human nobles enjoying their meals, +This is the first roll out of Grox-165 from the testing slabs. I wanted to be on sight to see if anyone voices any complaints about it.+

Upon those words TalOS looked around the room at the numerous people who were eating. A great many of them were testing out the meat the Genetor crafted. Such reason was simple, before arriving at this establishment TalOS had given them the meat and ordered them to make a special out of it. They could not ignore the demands of the Fabricator General, so they had.

+So…+ TalOS noticed that Vera had transferred them to a private line now, +You are testing to see whether humans used to higher-end foods will accept it?+

+Yes!+ TalOS told her with a grin knowing that the girl was catching on fast, +Normal folk might not notice a change but these people might and issue a complaint about it. Something like this is better for field testing than simply inviting workers into my office.+

To that Vera gave a small nod but had to ask, +Do you not notice the changes in taste?+

The Primarch gave a shrug of the arms as he heard those words, +I can only describe eating it as odd. With every bite I experience every piece of modification placed upon the genome and thus it becomes a review of my own work. Thus I do not think my senses are useful when determining if this should be given to one of the Agri-Worlds.+
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+Oh, I see.+ Vera said as she went solemn for a moment.

+Thank you for the meal Dad!+ Trig said as he took another bite of the meal. Taking a glance TalOS could see the almost horrified face on Vera as the little boy spoke such kind words.

+You’re welcome, do well in your training and we will head out more.+ The Primarch said to give a small incentive to future improvement.

+I will!+ He cheered with a knife raised into the air. Vera quickly had a mechanrite over and forced him to lower it before any more attention was brought to them.

They continued until the meal was finished, TalOS enjoying these moments before he had to get back to planet crafting. As not a single complaint, and even some compliments, were made the Primarch knew it was ready for distribution.

It was as they were finishing up TalOS got a message over the Noospheric Network. Now TalOS had been answering these almost the entire time they were sitting here, taking in messages to give people asking for things or trying to get permissions.

But this one was different, it was a message from the Astropaths.

TalOS quickly opened the package and saw what the Psykers had given him. The next moment TalOS did not know if his heart should leap or if he should start heading out now.

Fabricator General TalOS. New from the Imperium is that the 3rd Primarch, Filgrim, has been found on the planet of Chemos by the Imperium.

>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visit
>Head right over to meet the fellow
>Use this as an excuse to head over to Terra and Maybe Xana
>Issue a welcome to the Primarch.
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>>5445908
When you are the second or third richest man in the galaxy, you are obligated to flaunt it.
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>>5445912
>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visit
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>>5445912
>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visit
we are stupid busy (even if I do want to see UZ1 again)
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>>5445912
>Have an invite sent to the Primarch
Even with the head start our lightning campaign has given us, let's use every minute we can. Roboute isnt going to best himself for biggest empire.
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>>5445912
>>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visit
Let's gauge this fella. He is a latecommer. I wonder if he would dare come here and understand there is plenty of profit in responding to this summons. Of course, if this were mobster rule or king-vassal thing such an invitation would be insulting because you can't just "call" for your equal like they were another serf or goon under your command.

Anyway if this vote comes through we better think of something nice to prepare and gift!!1!
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>>5445966
He did get a fancy volkite in canon. Maybe we can one up that.
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>>5445912

>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visit
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>>5445911
Its neat that TAL0S has taken animal eugenics and the culinary arts as a hobby. He's right too, the average worker biting into a juicy grox steak would probably think of the moment for the rest of their short lives. But nobles from our hives with superior bodies and maybe luxury cybernetics like taste boosters would be able to judge the quality.

I think this is perhaps the first time a Primarch has contributed to cooking.
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>>5445912
>Use this as an excuse to head over to Terra and Maybe Xana
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>>5445912
>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visit


I am gonna be honest here, but i don't think he is very likely to take our offer up, after all a lot of shit went down for Fulgrim after he was found, so he might not have the time.
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>>5445912
>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visit
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>>5445912
>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visit
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>>5446222
I like the moon, it reminds me how the sumerians saw their moon god as being horned and related to bulls because the crescent moon kinda looks like horns
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>>5445912
>Have an invite sent to the Primarch to come visit
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The Primarch had to think about the situation he was in and what it would entail. To see another of his brothers arrive the Primarch would be a great time the Primarch realized. But it was an issue of time in the end. If he was to delay anything within the Federation it might send them back several months or years, meaning a large decrease in the gross domestic product.

So, for this moment, TalOS reached over and gave an order. He would invite the Primarch to his realm if the Demi-God was willing to do so. It was up in the air if he would arrive or not, as TalOS studied the records to find that the third Legion was on the brink of destruction as of late. So maybe he will have time away from war long enough to see TalOS, but he still doubted it.

With the message sent TalOS finished the meal that was before him. He looked over to see Trig trying his best to mimic the Knight they saw earlier with his knife.

+Do not play with utensils as if they are weapons.+ TalOS informed the child with a small laugh.

The boy looked for a moment of fear before placing the knife on the table and mumbled, +Sorry.+

+I want each of you to focus on your lessons here in the next few days.+ TalOS said as he moved an empty plate, +Tomorrow the Assembly meets so I will not be around the workshop.+

+Understood.+ Vera said with the same coldness TalOS expected of her.

+I will make you proud!+ Cheered Trig as he raised a fist into the air, +I’ll beat my instructor!+

+If he allows it.+ TalOS joked as he knew the Marshalls were not novices in the least, +If something comes up, inform me through the Noosphere.+

TalOS received a series of affirmations to those words which allowed him to settle for the night.
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Unlike the First Assembly so long ago the chambers were filled with the corresponding amount of people that were slated for today.

A few of them were Dukes of Dutonis, whose worlds have either yet to form, live on a more local planet, or still hold property on Dutonis. These men proudly championed the colors of their houses, with the most prominent combination belonging to the Houses of Borgius and Navarros, as expected. All of them had some form of red on though, so signify their service in the Reconquista. If TalOS understood their people correctly this was a requirement among them at this point, to have served in such great wars to walk among the Assembly.

After them were the Tech Priests, their number equal to the Knights. Many of those present were natives of Lucius and others representing entire star systems. It was about a half half among them, which did cause some issues among the Priests as whatever might benefit Lucius does not benefit those on the outskirts. There were also some fighters of the Reconquista among them, but a few of the Lucian residents could not display their color of honor.

Among them were a few of Lucius’s higher ups. For today Arch Magos K0LT saw fit to be present, as well as Arch Genetor R3KT.

After them were lastly the Nobles, standard humans who are high up upon their planets and saw the ability to arrive here.

“For the next matter…” TalOS looked at the docket to see what was available, “Magos 3KL4R wishes to place a complaint onto the floor. You have permission to speak.”


“Thank you Fabricator General.” The Priest said as he rose up from his position, “I have reason to believe that some of the technologies of the Mechanicus have began to be mimicked and bastardized by the people on these planets. We have attempted to destroy them before, but the native Enforcers of Law have been found wanting.”

Upon those words TalOS noticed a few of those from the Nobles group taking issue, but TalOS wanted to know more first, “And what is it they are commiting?”

“The worst they are commiting in a Technique known as Cell Draining, a bastardized attempt at rejuvenation treatments that leaves the harvested dead. It is a gross practice as it kills many able bodied workers and ruins the planet’s demographics.+ Pointed out the Priest, +After that I have the understanding that mock Servitor crafting has taken place as well, which causes similar issues including the deaths of many sinless workers.”
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TalOS gave a nod as he heard those words. Within a moment he turned towards the individual who was first to speak, a Nobleman from Tyris, “You may speak Majister Elcor.”

“Thank you Fabricator General.” the man said as he rose, “Magos 3KL4R, we do not need additional enforcement upon our world. While I cannot deny the horrors and waste of these… acts… they are few and far between! It does not warrant the need for Skitarii to join the Enforcers. It is too much for a situation that I believe can be resolved with investment.”


“Elcor, it is your planet that has been one of the offenders in this.” Pointed out the Priest, “Even if it was as small as you imagine the issue is, the practice is a gross use of the Machine God’s resources. It is not though, ten thousand have been lost due to these practices.”

“Ten thousand is not that many, honored Magos.” the noble said as he looked on in confusion, “I do not understand why you think these numbers are large.”

“Any resource lost due to incompetence and subterfuge is a travesty to the Machine God.” pointed out the Tech Priest with a bark.

“Hold on the debate, another wishes to speak.” TalOS declared as he turned towards another Priest, “Magos Ketter, you may speak.”

“Thank you Fabricator General.” the Priest said as he turned to the crowd, “I wish to place my support in favor of sending only aid. We do not need to stretch the Legio Skitarii thin by turning them into Enforcers for other worlds. It might be just as much a waste of resources as having those people die.”

“Then we simply disagree on factors.” Pointed out the Magos from Lucius, “I wish it said that I believe the investment will be very beneficial, and I leave that case.”

As they finished speaking TalOS had to think. If he was not mistaken Tyris was a planet that joined Lucius more for the fact they were uniting man than the amenities they provided. As for the larger scale, it was a power grab by the Magos of Lucius to stop the Tech Heresy being committed upon these worlds. TalOS could only guess those from the colonies feel that if the Skitarii are used like this, than what stops the Federation from sending the same Skitarii to their worlds.

>We will stop such a dreadful practice with Skitarii *-1 Nobles +1 Priest*
>Investment into existing enforcement will be useful long term, *Net Neutral*
>We cannot waste any resources on such a small amount of people *-1 Priest +1 Noble*
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>>5446669
I don’t know if we can make a write-in, but here i go!

>Institute the creation of a new internal government agency: The Federated Agency of Technological-, Cultural-, Non-ordained and Unregulated-Technologies and Sciences (FATCUNTS)

This would be an internal agency that would be under the direct control of the Federation government which would act very much like any other internal spy agency (FBI, MI5 and others) with a focus on ensuring that no heretical technologies, cultures or sciences arise in our territory. Can’t have independent researchers and engineers profane our holy mission after all!
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>>5446700
Oops, switch around Non-ordained and Unregulated.... (else it will spell FATCNUTS)
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>>5446669
>We will stop such a dreadful practice with Skitarii *-1 Nobles +1 Priest*
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>>5446700
Ditto, sounds sick, our own personal Tech-Inquisition
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>>5446669
>We will stop such a dreadful practice with Skitarii *-1 Nobles +1 Priest*
We need these priest points
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>>5446702
If you remove the cultural ot become fatnuts, so it still works.
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>>5446669
>We will stop such a dreadful practice with Skitarii *-1 Nobles +1 Priest*

Can you put our current reputaion with the factions whenever you give us options that increase or decrease it.
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>>5446752
Eh, i will leave that up to the QM
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>>5446669
backing this >>5446700
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>>5446700
In doing this, should we still side with Nobles or the Priests here?

Also will this be a replacement for the The Prefecture Magisterium, or a supplement to them?

>The Prefecture Magisterium - Doctrinal covenant of the Machine Cult charged with preserving dogma and the persecution of techno-heresy. Magisterium Cohorts and hunter-killer claves are maintained on all Forge Worlds under the authority of the planet's Archmagos Intendant.

Perhaps the FATCUNTS could be the secular department, while the Prefecture Magiesterium is the religious department. Bit of Ordo Hereticus/Ordo Malleus type deal.
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>>5446669
>Investment into existing enforcement will be useful long term, *Net Neutral*
>Fluff addition: The Federal Agency of Technological, Cultural, Non-Ordained and Unregulated Technologies. A secular arm that works alongside the religious Prefecture Magisterium
#1 it's silly to send Skitarii, a specialist branch of the military, to deal with internal domestic affairs. You don't send the Imperial Guard to do an Arbiters or Inquisitors job.
#2 I believe we should for now, try to earn Priest Points not by subtracting them from nobles but in other ways. Because we're going to eventually subtract from the nobles massively once we really turn on the crank for converting mass populace to thralls, soldiers and servitors. Our appetite for hive citizens will be voracious.

We should actually consider ways to get them from Knights at times, because it will be a lot easier to please the Knights given the amount of investments we have and can still do for them. We've given them glory at the colosseum, and outlet for expansion and exploration.

Save that good Noble rep for when we need it, which will be soon when we slow down from building and turn to cranking out troops by the millions.
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>>5446858
I see the FATCUNTS as being a supplement to the institutions we already have, but simply under the control of the Assembly of our Federation, with TalOS being the De Facto head of the organization until we can find a good advisor we can trust to do the job (Much like the original purpose of the FBI). What our organization will be in the religious department is a bit up in the air in my opinion.

On one hand: i would like for them to atleast follow the 16 truths of the Mechanicus.

On the other hand: having a diverse group of people doing this would give them unique insight and perspective that the other option wouldn't have.

All in all, i don't have a concrete opinion about how secular or faithful our organization should be, only that it is 100% loyal and competent.
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>>5446669
>Admonish both sides for being short-sighted *Net Neutral*
>Priests should be providing easy access to high quality custom servitors and rejuvenants for our nobles
>The Nobles should focus on increasing pop growth quotas, sending them to us so we can servitorize and extract rejuvenants efficiently to best effect
This is clearly gross negligence on both sides. The nobles should not have resorted to constructing inferior servitors and bastardized life extensions, and the priests shouldn't have compelled them to do so by ensuring they have access to servitors and controlled, organized transfer of life extension from their human produce with minimal waste. Let them focus instead on growing their populace, and leave extraction to us.

Solve both their problems.
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>>5447005
>>Support
This is a brilliant response. Why are they making shitty servitors and crudely draining the life out of their hive serfs when we could do it for them but better? Make it a reward system based on the number of people they send regularly to our armies and factories. This will ncentivize them to ensure maximum pop growth so we can keep giving them servitors and life extensions.
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>>5446669
>>5447005
I see this as the most efficient and logical course of action.
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Wow, this is problematic. I am not sure if we can call it heresy outright because they are using sanctified technology the way it was intended. Even if it is wicked.
What gives me great concern is that the nobles are a threat to the Priests monopoly on the technology and THAT is something that concerns us. If we allow the nobles to continue then they will develop heretek.

>>We will stop such a dreadful practice with Skitarii *-1 Nobles +1 Priest*
Deploying our elite forcescompared to astra militarum infantry of course for this task is an inadecuate waste of resource, I know. But this not about numbers. This is about sending a message.
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>>5447082
ack forgot to add
>Support
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Cell draining is stem cells?
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>>5447005
>Support
It stops being "wasteful deaths" if it becomes "organized and planned extractions" that encourages Hives to boost population gains. Use the undesirables: workers that have fallen behind on their quotas, convicts and criminals, political dissidents, etc.
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>>5447005
I will support this, But I want the noble houses to know that if any more is caught doing tech heresy, then trouble is going to start.
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>>5447005
>Support
Damn right if they wanted to servitor their workers and squeeze the life out of them, all they had to do was ask. Offer us the commoners to do it for them - if they produce more than they are spending on custom servants and life extension, the priests are able to get more human bodies for their own servitors and factories, we get more for our armies, and everyone wins.

They need to prioritize population for the planned Tech-Thrall legions anyway, their entire job of being hive lords is to manage our human factories.
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>>5446865
>Switch to
>>5447005
>Support
Can't believe I didn't think of that, great idea.

I hope we can still create the FATCUNTS(tm) with this, just to make sure there's no more repetitions of tech heresy.

Nobles with all their wealth should be able to buy nothing but the best from their local Mechanicum.
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>>5447005
This will not be a net neutral, I need to figure out what it would be though. By giving in like this, you will be releasing the Nobles of a large amount of leverage in the form of their lifespans.

And you are not gonna beat the black market trade unless you subsidize the process.
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>>5447510
Wait, so does it make -Nobles +Priests, +Nobles --Priests, or something else?
Anyway I already voted on another ID and I'm keeping it as is
>>5446750
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>>5447514
Nevermind, you said you still need to figure it out.
>>5447510
What would this one be?
>>5446700
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>>5447514
I cannot say, honestly it might be a -Noble because of the raw power lost on them. Those who might be deviants but were held in line financially are no longer tied so closely.

In the end losing leverage has a much worse impact than satisfying Nobles in the short term.

>>5447519
I was gonna roll that into the 'Stop Dreadful Practices' but it is a more veiled attempt at it.
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>>5447522
Oh, so it's a plan that only loses us points without really giving anything back.
It's better than what I thought, that it would be a -Noble -Priest for trying to lecture them. I guess shoving your emotions in a box and seeing things as mathematical efficiency helps deal with wounded pride.
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>>5447527
The only thing is I cannot see a positive to it, which was the reason I did not put it forward. While this is a economic issue its one caused out of necessary practices. Maybe +1 to Knights since they get cheap shit and go to war longer?
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>>5447535
Wrong file
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>>5447541
I was wondering why you sent a sandwich.
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>>5447535
No, no, the sandwich is a obviously camouflaged deldar barge. A devious plan
>>5447541
Looking good, do you already have a colour scheme in mind?
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>>5447510
Nobles are supposed to live very long lifespans anyway. It's what we did promise them way back at Halemat and even before that, it's just a 40k thing.

>And you are not gonna beat the black market trade unless you subsidize the process.
I think that's the implication. We want to take over the processes so its both controlled, and higher quality.

Sure they lose leverage, but they get a better product as the outcome. All we want is for them to produce the bodies to afford it.

Do you need a separate vote for that?
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>>5447556
No, since I kinda assume this is the subsidizing of it.
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>>5447550
And here's the proof of my claim.
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>>5447510
This is fair. It would be very shameful for a black market to be producing better quality products than us, so stamping it out through subsidies is for the best.

It's the reason the alcohol industry and resultant taxes from the sale of alcohol are so profitable and nobody bothers to buy moonshine anymore. Why would you buy some crap someone brewed in a backyard and sells from their garage instead of something good and reliable you can get at the store?
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>>5447567
Here's a lighter version, 4 mb for a shitty meme edit is way too much
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>>5447532
>The only thing is I cannot see a positive to it
From what I'm reading:
>The Priests are unhappy because the processes of servitorization and life extension are being bastardized, which goes against their traditions, and because the way they do it is inefficient and wasteful
>The Nobles would be unhappy if we just told them to stop making their own servitors and extracting life
So the idea is to just ensure they get good custom servitors and that we oversee the process of cell extraction so it's done as efficiently and with as low waste as possible. The servitors are made up to Mechanicus standards, and the Cell Extraction is done effectively, rather than being the bastardized black market versions. The Nobles get what they want (servitors and more life) and the priests know that their standards are being upheld.

Shouldn't that satisfy both of them?
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>>5447586
Incorrect on the Nobles
>Nobles don't want to be told exactly what to do and don't want Troops on their planets at all times (Reason I used Tread on Me joke).

The issue is you are giving them really nothing too special. The scarcity of the product is in the advantage of Lucius, which criminal organizations (Not the nobles directly) are circumventing.
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>>5447591
This seems a bit more like two separate issues that just happen to coincide. Artificial scarcity isn't a very good advantage in the long run. Anons analogy >>5447569 to the alcohol industry is accurate. When prohibition occurred, criminal gangs profited massively on the sale of alcohol and all it did was make everyone who drank a criminal. When prohibition was removed, and alcohol became abundant again, the gangs lost alcohol as a source of power and wealth.

Our nobles should not be sending people to criminals to become life extensions or servitors when we could be provide that service for them legally. Servitors should be made abundant anyway because they are an important backbone of our industry.

The part about not wanting troops on their planet, if their planet is behind the front lines, that's also not so good because Skitarii should be freed up to continue expansion efforts. The Skitarii are not a policing organization, they are soldiers. We should still have oversight for any further tech heresy. Things like FATCUNTS or Prefecture Magisterium agents.

Would this work for a solution?
>Tell the nobles we will be creating and reinforcing regulation agencies (FATCUNTS and Prefecture Magisterium) to oversee Techheresy, rather than troops
>Subsidize the servitors and the cell extractions to Mechanicus standards, to satisfy the priests.
>Worries about the loss of manpower will be mitigated by the Nobles being mandated to population quotas to ensure a net positive

If we lose -1 with the nobles so be it. But it does sound like we should still get +1 with the Techpriests because we do solve their concerns about the bastardization of the processes.
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>>5447607
Yes this will, since the Priests will enjoy their personal Inquisition.
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>>5447607
If QM greenlights this, then i will Support it!
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>>5447607
I like this, but in the end I voted for the skitarri action to get those priests points, but since Pert's number 1 fan's idea plus yours have the same political result but done in a diffrent way that I kind of like more, you have my support.
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>>5446669
>Investment into existing enforcement will be useful long term, *Net Neutral*
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So let me try to count, a lot of anons are vote and dump, which is bad when a write-in appear but doesn't have the result it was planning, but maybe with a tally more will change.

The Lucian Inquisition (Prefecture Magisterium or FATCUNTS/FATNUTS) / Send the Skitarri (Since QM said he would count as the same thing)
>>5446700
>>5446718
>>5446721
>>5446750 >>5447614 (Both are me, so it counts as one vote)
>>5446792
>>5446846
>>5447083
>>5447607

Not going to work as advertised (-1 Nobles +0 Priests +0 Knights)
>>5447005
>>5447076
>>5447084
>>5447123
>>5447392
>>5447497

Neutral
>>5447622
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>>5447628
I mean, I was not gonna run Lucian Inquisition and the other as the same, as they are not. One is troops, the other is an Inquisitor.
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>>5447628
QM clarified that the revised plan >>5447607 would get us +1 with Priests and -1 with Nobles.

It really feels like we're mostly trying to achieve the same things, but the difference is the original plan of >>5447005 doesn't mention the inquisition.

>>5447631
QM things are getting muddled here but if we were to support the plan that includes the inqusition and also keeps the nobles incentivized for pop growth and subsidies of servitors/life extensions do you want us to keep doing the >Switch to >>(post number) voting style?
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>>5447550
I do have a scheme yes. I scheme a lot muahahaha In fact the friend who introduced me to the hobby practially made me study color theory and reference whatever colors I had in mind... let me see if I have the scheme handy
>armor base: Wraithbone
>armor layer: Rojo Denso (vallejo's acrylic)
I tried really really hard to look for something that wasn't purple or black for my deldar and I came up with this one that inspired my scheme https://taleofpainters.com/2022/03/tutorial-how-to-paint-aeldari-voidscarred-corsairs-from-kill-team-nachmund/ it has a stupid seventeen colors or something FOR THE CAPE

Anyway, back to the main attraction, QM's game... I'll update once I paint something the damn shipment is late
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>>5447123
>>Switch my vote to the revised plan >>5447607
We should stick with QM's preferred voting style unless otherwise mentioned. And honestly the revised plan has the best of both worlds, inquisition, servitors+life extension for nobles, and skitarii are able to be redeployed to the expansion efforts.
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>>5447648
At the end of the day you fellows are muddying it up yourselves trying to get a better deal. I don't blame you for trying, but I'm not gonna let you fellows do something that I already thought about and discarded because you think its clever.

In the end the Inquisition idea is probably the best to be made, which can most arguably not step on too many toes. Its purpose is obvious and not a terrible powergrab, as they only pertain to tech heresy. I will think on it.
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>>5447662
Pretty sure no one here actually supports keeping the Skitarii on the hive worlds instead of inquisition anyway, the vote just touched on separate issues so different solutions were aimed at them but mostly compatible ideas.

I'm positive that if the end result is:
>Tech-Inquisition happens
>Skitarii are free from police duties
>The nobles still get servitors and life extensions
>population growth encouraged
>criminals lose influence from legal subsidies
>end result is least at a gain for the priests

It would satisfy most anons.
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>>5447607
>Tell the nobles we will be creating and reinforcing regulation agencies (FATCUNTS and Prefecture Magisterium) to oversee Techheresy, rather than troops.
>Subsidize the servitors and the cell extractions to Mechanicus standards, to satisfy the priests.
>Worries about the loss of manpower will be mitigated by the Nobles being mandated to population quotas to ensure a net positive.

I think this is an acceptable answer but I have a question, shouldn't the sacred worlds already be using artificial wombs? I'm not talking about cloning, I'm talking about a tube to accelerate the growth of an already fertilized embryo. As far as I know there is no rule against adopting such a practice at 30k.
Servitors production shouldn't be a problem, the nobles in theory could compete with the numbers coming out of the red forges in the first place.
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>>5447672
I was under the impression it was or will be the hive worlds who will send the bulk of the subjects that will become factory servitors for the forgeworlds anyway. If the forge worlds want to contribute even more with Womb Vitae like Krieg all the better.

We can never have too few bodies, and never have too many servitors.
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>>5447631
I did it because you said it here
>>5447522
>I was gonna roll that into the 'Stop Dreadful Practices' but it is a more veiled attempt at it.
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>>5447648
I think the revised plan is closer to Pert's original idea than the original write-in.
I can recount with every single incarnation though. Also since the revised is so different, I thing people should only count towards it if explicitly stated.
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>>5447076
>>Switch my vote to
>>5447607
>Tell the nobles we will be creating and reinforcing regulation agencies (FATCUNTS and Prefecture Magisterium) to oversee Techheresy, rather than troops
>Subsidize the servitors and the cell extractions to Mechanicus standards, to satisfy the priests.
>Worries about the loss of manpower will be mitigated by the Nobles being mandated to population quotas to ensure a net positive
I dont want to see the ""dreadful"" practices stopped. The thing dreadful about them is they are letting 2nd rate criminals do what a 1st rate techpriest could do better. As long as the nobles are making more people on their hives than they are spending in servitors and life extraction, who cares. It's even better if in doing this we encourage them to make more people to ensure steady access.
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>>5446750
Changing my vote to
>>5447607
>Support

I did this because I noticed I didn't properly vote while recounting
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>>5447628
Ok, I tried counting again, this time separating each option

Skitari (-1 Noble +1 Priest)
>>5446718 PYAhHgpN
>>5446792 8N859Blv
>>5447083 5E+oT7Hs

Inquisition (-1 Noble +1 Priest)
>>5446721 8i4ZBd2B (Didn't greentext)
>>5446846 X+VgKdyU (Didn't greentext)

Neutral (+0 Noble +0 Priest)
>>5447622 JlUG4qi1

Subside (-1 Noble +0 Priest)
>>5447005 E7l0SfSY
>>5447084 Gme1UiK6
>>5447392 TiGYidkW (Didn't green the vote)
>>5447497 z5E6kKxu

Subside + Inquisition (-1 Noble +1 Priest)
>>5447607 9VvQIdo4 (Didn't link to the previous vote)
>>5447610 bCFrwcjn (Didn't greentext or link to the previous vote)
>>5447659 WKbTCcdW
>>5447672 3RMF8T1Z (Link to wrong post, don't know if it's a problem or not)
>>5447700 4oeJ3CJp
>>5447732 3ga1QSjx / aIzhhuAq (Fucked up twice, probably more)


I hope you don't mind this too much QM, I know you don't like when people post side stories directly into the thread because it might confuse readers, and this could be the same. So this is going to be the last one I do, just in case.
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>>5447005
>Switch my vote to >>5447607
I like the revised version of my proposal more, it also has more support. Dunno if the ID will be the same or not cause posting in my dorm room doesn't seem to stay consistent, but I was the one who posted the original one.
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>>5447497
Switch to
>>5447607
>Tell the nobles we will be creating and reinforcing regulation agencies (FATCUNTS and Prefecture Magisterium) to oversee Techheresy, rather than troops
>Subsidize the servitors and the cell extractions to Mechanicus standards, to satisfy the priests.
>Worries about the loss of manpower will be mitigated by the Nobles being mandated to population quotas to ensure a net positive
Sorry for the multiple links, but anons keep coming up with decent addendums and plans and get clarification from QM so I try to keep my vote up to date.
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>>5447744
The counting is fine, that helps me a lot. Random bits of fanfiction is what the issue is, though as another fellow showed you can just attach a pdf.
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>>5447782
It's a good sign when your fanfic is so well done and interesting it inspires others to write their own fanfic of it. That's a just how much we all enjoy TAL0S.
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>>5447832
I know, I just dont want people to post it like my updates. Otherwise we might have a heresy lol.
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>>5447497
>Switch to
>>5447607
I realize there was no greentext for "Switch to" so just in case
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>>5446700
>support
this certainly has no way of backfiring
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>>5447744
Looks like the Inquisition + Subsidy works, right? Anyone want to count again, since to me this entire vote is a mess because of people like this guy:
>>5447774
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>>5448119
Yeah, with the extra rounds of vote changes it's in the clear lead, even if we ignore the different IDs and count it as an extra vote instead.
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>>5448119
It sucks when theres no control over ones own ID. What would you like us to do when that happens. Did you want us to just adopt names instead?
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Huh, I've been running the quest for over a year now:
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>>5448133
Oh no, we missed the quest's birthday
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>>5448133
Has it really been that long? Hard to believe how time flies.
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>>5448137
Indeed, hopefully we will be at this for another 6 months to a year. I'm no fool in knowing that the Heresy is going to take about as long as the prologue.
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>>5448138
I look forward to it, especially if we could have all those prep ideas we've been gathering for a year now. There's still a lot on our big to-do list. Worked real hard to get our empire first and faster than our brothers now to cram every second of before for doomsday.
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>>5448143
The hope is for this thread to work down a lot of those desires. I don't think we are gonna jump 50 years, but we might be able to reach the Xenocide. Might.
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Wonder if we should actually get down and write out that to-do list, see what can or can't be done in 50 or 100 years, it's probably quite long. But also its probably easily just addressed with a simple "TALOS commands, so it be done". Like with our marines, basically we voiced every little thing we could want with them and we entrusted AL4N and Vadar to work on it. So now we can rest easy knowing its being handled.
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With those words spoken numerous discussions began to crop up around the theater of politics. For the most part it was an understandable situation for both sides.

The Mechanicus wishes to diminish whatever kinds of heresy there might be. Men who are not of the cloth experimenting with things they barely have an understanding of is something the Mechanicum cannot allow. After all, things like the knowledge of creating AI is well known to the Priests of the Machine God. They simply have enough self control to not use it lest damnation crosses through the realm.

As for those of the Hives, they have numerous political games within their worlds. The threat of gangsters, cartels, and coups are at the forefront of their mind. Each of their worlds, after being touched by Lucius, have gained an uneasy peace thanks to the Mechanicum’s demands. If another player as strong as the Cult were to have a major stake in their lands then this balance will be ruined.

And no one wishes to have war in the streets.

Each person had their opinion on the situation, only the Knights of Dutonis not worrying about it as they did not really care about these politics. They were a faction built either on an economic or war footing, they could care less for civics.

As TalOS’s attention was brought from them he got a ping, +Arch Magos K0LT, you wish to speak on the issue? If so, you may.+

+Thank you.+ Answered the Magos while standing, “My fellow Federation Members, it is my understanding that these issues are at a core an economic one. With the costs of Rejuvenation treatments so high, it forces many to take such sinful methods. I propose to the floor that we artificially lower the costs of Rejuvenation treatment. That can be done, right R3KT?”

Those words were enough to get a rumbling through the crowd of people. To a Primarch, though, TalOS admitted that such grand actions were needed. They needed to eliminate the core economic issue, only by doing so will these upstarts find themselves in a business with no customers.

“It can be, with some cost.” The Head Genetor spoke as he was called upon, “I will begin the organization and present a bill to the Assembly. TalOS, when you can bring some assistance I will appreciate it.”

“I can do so, if it is chosen.” Answered the Fabricator General. There were going to be some costs, mainly political ones, and soon it will be seen if they are acceptable.
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TalOS was to call a vote, but another ping came up. With a thought he had it answered, Magos 3KL4R rising from his seat, “I wish to thank the esteemed Arch Magi of Lucius for bringing such a brilliant solution, but that is only a solution for the issue at hand. We cannot allow future happenings to occur lest we enter into negative integers.”


“If we are to lower the price and send troops, then it will be too costly.” K0LT pointed out as she spoke the truth in the situation.

It seemed an issue was about to be discussed, maybe a bartering in the amount of funds to be allocated to what, but instead TalOS had a ping from the room. With a raising of his hand conversation stopped and he called out, “Duke Kandel of House Borgius, you may speak.”

“Thank you, Fabricator General.” He answered as he gave a small smile, “On Dutonis, those who tended to the Fallen god’s Cathedrals were aware of the same issue you speak of today. Thus it was the duty of select Priests to watch out for heretics and witches alike. I wish to propose the same solution here.”

That was enough to give the Priests pause to think. TalOS though happily took it up, “What you propose is very reasonable. There are already Priests upon these planets, but the one you speak of is tasked with ridding the worlds of heresy wherever it appears.”

“And the witches. I have heard rumors of these worlds having thousands of covens, they must be rooted out if we are to be divine and just.”

That was enough for conversation to be sparked. The talk of Witches and Covens quickly started to spread like wildfire across the people who did not know the full story. If TalOS was correct, they were likely mistaking Witches and Covens as the clubs that populated almost every other street of the planets.

Such places, to even Young Knights, are completely terrifying and deserve to be purged.

“I believe that would be a reasonable compromise?” Pushed forward 3KL4R towards the Nobles.

The nobleman looked upon him for a moment, who had his word, “If it is just a Priest and his cohort, a couple per planet, then we will accept it. Know that their authority will be limited but we know the need for people like them.”

“Good, good!” TalOS announced as a compromise was reached, “Now, we may vote.”
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The vote occurred and was processed accordingly. The drafted resolution was placed forward and will be haggled out within the next few weeks. TalOS will not be a part of that process though as it seemed even ground was met between everyone.

For the current issue the cost of goods shall be fixed and those acting as watchmen shall be assigned. There were countless people on Lucius who might want the position, though TalOS would admit they will bring in some new acolyte to fill in all the positions.

Such was the changing times that they no longer need men solely dedicated to the learning and comprehension of the universe. Instead, they needed men who comprehended their fellow man’s thoughts and actions.

But what interested TalOS the most was, after that meeting, that he got a message from one of his Oldest Acillians.

The trip was not long and the place they found themselves was quite nice. TalOS was once again in the halls where the Acillians were first designed, created, and trained for the purposes of warfare against the Plastoids. Such a great vengeance did they wreck upon those creatures that the only reminder of their existence was the samples in the laboratories.

TalOS took a seat as the Acillian also approached. The armor of the Acillian was no longer basic, but covered in both weapons and tools to better host the man’s ever increasing curiosity. TalOS counted two eradication beams, a plasma, and even a flamer upon the visible arsenal. That was added with a Mechanrite balanced over the shoulder.

+Mitarii ED1SON.+ TalOS said proudly as the Acillian gave him a drink, +Last I spoke to you like this you were a Centarii, now you have a rank that better benefits one of your mind.+

+Thank you, Father.+ The Mitarii answered as he gave a bow, +I have been meaning to speak to you about this for a while, but with the wars we waged I did not find it appropriate.+

+Then there is no reason to dance around the issue. Speak your mind.+ Declared TalOS as he looked upon the man.

+I wish to go on the path of becoming an Adept. I seem myself qualified to become a Tech Priest.+

>Accepted
>You are a warrior, not a Priest
>Explain your reasoning…
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>>5448188
I know the answer, but I also wanted it known that it happened.
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>>5448188
>Explain your reasoning…
>I was merely testing your logic capability my son. You have repeatedly show the qualities of a good tech-priest, be a domini or artisan. You have my blessing.
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>>5448188
>>Accepted
>"We were planning on it already, that you have been the first to ask means you are surely blessed by the Machine God to be the first"
Aha!
At long last, it's finally HERE!

The very first confirmation of the Tech-marine!

Imagine how great ED1SON is going to be? If our Acillians are already like tech-marines lite, what our true Techmarines will be?
Kinda sad T35LA isn't also here, trying to keep up with his brother and rival.

>>5448190
Thanks QM, "knowing that it happened" is very valuable to us
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>>5448188
>Accepted (of course)
>But we would like to know why
I'm sure it wouldn't be too much to know the reason ED1SON wants to become a priest even if we do accept him. Which of course we will because duh
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>>5448188
>>Accepted
Yes.
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>>5448188
>Explain your reasoning…
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>>5448188
>Explain your reasoning… (But we are obviously going to accept him)
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>>5448188
>Explain your reasoning… (But we are obviously going to accept him)
Where is T3SLA? He's going to miss out on being the 2nd Techpriest.
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>>5448188
>Explain your reasoning… (But we are obviously going to accept him)
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>>5447832
The nice part of collaborative fanfic is there is multiple ways to remember the same event, and they can all be right. Kinda like how Warhammer should be. Like when TAL0S arrived on Mars he is herald by a storm of his own make, teleporting an army of hundred knights and Imperator Titan from orbit to ground and then himself before the Fabricator General. Or maybe he descended with a fleet of giant mass conveyors, houses of knights and Titans marching out, before leaping from the top of the Particeps Semper, landing and creating a huge crater that's still there on Mars to this day (called the "Dragon's landing"). In ten thousand years will anyone who was not there truly know? So many different ways, but the end result the same, the 2nd Primarch knows how to make an entrance!
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>>5448188
>>Explain your reasoning… (But we are obviously going to accept him)
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>>5448188
>Explain your reasoning [Gonna accept anyway]
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>>5448188
>Explain your reasoning… (But we are obviously going to accept him)
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>>5448188
>Explain your reasoning…(and then accept him)
Talos is a pretty good dad, also, I choose to believe that Dead Space is semi canon to Warhammer
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>>5448188
>Explain your reasoning… (But we are obviously going to accept him)
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>>5448765
Oh yeah, deadspace is 100% canon to the warhammer universe, no way it isn't.
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Explain
>>5448191
>>5448269

Accept
>>5448200
>>5448208
>>5448217
>>5448339
>>5448370
>>5448450
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>>5448652
>>5448765
>>5448766

Pretty clear.
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TalOS could see upon the face of his son the fear that was made bare upon it. Unlike the Emperor’s sons the Acillians knew many of the more human emotions. Dread, anguish, but also bravery. Many of them had used dampeners to weaken it, TalOS knew that ED1SON did not use such means of self control. He must regret it now, feeling the dread that a single decision by another person can have on his entire life.

It was this fact that TalOS spoke, +You seek to become a Priest of the Cult. To be raised to that position, from a Soldier’s duty no less, is not common.+

With those words TalOS was able to snap his son back into reality, +We are not simply soldiers though, Father. You have trained us to be both researchers and discoverers. That we too can reach enlightenment.+

+And how would becoming one of the Priesthood assist in reaching this state?+ TalOS further pressed as a simple request became an interview.

+It is the next step from what my understanding leads.+ Pointed out the Acillian without his hand reaching for his drink, +We spend most of our days training and preparing with the risk every day of going out into battle. I do not wish it known that I am craven, but that this risk always hampers what it is I can discover or realize.+

+So you believe more value can be scored if you devote your time into understanding and research?+ TalOS placed forward as he gave a small hum.

+I agree with that Father. Many of my brothers take for granted the modifications to our brains you have committed. I believe them to give us a greater ability to see the world and even benefit the Priesthood in matters other than war.+

TalOS could not help but give a small chuckle, +Other than war?+

+Yes!+ ED1SON cheered as he took his hand upon the mug, +Father, it is hard to describe how something like this drink changed the Proelitor into what it is today. This is something so small that can bring so much change, and yet I have seen entire planets be reforged into a paradise. I understand that war is needed, but war is only one facet of life and I wish to improve all of it.+

+Then you will have your wish.+ TalOS announced as he took a drink of the B33R.

And to that he noticed the face of ED1SON grow enlightened.
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+If you are to become a Priest, you cannot directly become an adept.+ TalOS declared first and foremost, +You will have many pieces of knowledge that your aspiring peers lack, but you have not been fully initiated into the Priesthood. Not yet.+

+I have approached you with that understanding.+ He admitted while placing a hand on his chest.

+Good, that is good.+ TalOS oriented his thoughts as he looked at the situation, +There will be many lessons for you to learn, but first and foremost you should have a Master Magos to train you up.+

+I see, do you have an idea of who?+ The Acillian asked back to his Primarch.

+I should first understand if there is anyone who you would want to take you on? Someone who you might have talked to about becoming the apprentice of?+ TalOS suggested armed in the knowledge that the Acillians were all taught by Magos and Adepts.

+Yes, if you have none better than Magos L3P3R I would place his name forward. He has been kind in showing me the mysteries of the Mechanicum and I learn well from him.+ Put forward the name of a lower ranking Magos towards TalOS’s ear.

To that TalOS took a moment to ponder. The name was not one who sparked much thought to TalOS. He knew it though, as he knew almost all the happenings within the Priesthood and his Legion. The man was a lower ranking and recluse lord who served in the Crusades. He was not ambitious though, instead sticking to his numerous research projects as well as new technologies found.

As for why TalOS was able to get the name quickly, he was one of the Priests that started producing the Leman Russ. Few could deny that the Leman Russ was quickly becoming one of the most used tanks among the mortal regiments of the Imperium.

Was that the path that TalOS wished for his son to take? It would not be hard to put a war hardened Acillian into the care of both Pterraxi or D3X, both needing men with a more military mindset as their right hands. And then, of course, there was himself.

>>Note that a precedent might be set here.
>Allow him his choice.
>To Pterraxi, to study the expansion and mystical technologies
>To D3X, for the defence and artisan ability.
>TalOS will take the first as his own.
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>>5448868
>Allow him his choice.
You never know when something small will become great, and sometimes a man of ambition is what is needed to drive forward a content one.
This may be of benefit to both our son and the magus.
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>>5448868
>Allow him his choice.
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>>5448868
>>Allow him his choice.
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>>5448868
>TalOS will take the first as his own.
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>>5448868
>Allow him to choose
I hope we will get more prominent priests from other fields in the future. D3X and Pteraxxi are great, but we should also have representation for other important ordo like Cybernetica, Reductor, Sicarian, and Myrmidon one day. Maybe as the Federation expands
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>>5448868
>>To D3X
We can set some rules such as they have to seek aproval from T4L0S while being sponsored by any ranking priest. In this case our son is propping up a Magos to be their master but does the magos in question accepts this?
Anyway, I want our sons to be invested in war. The stock they come from (T4L0S) was also made for war. There are so many Priests out there yet so few Acillians...
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>>5449063
You are implying being a techmarine isnt also being part of the war effort and still a warrior. Individually they are better warriors than tactical space marines.
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>Allow him his choice.
> Not us. Not the fabricator general.
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>>5448868
>TalOS will take the first as his own.

Because of the nature of our children, I would say that nothing would be more appropriate than for ourselves to determine the best way to train and guide them in the right path. When his apprenticeship with us is over he will be the guide among his brothers, so creating traditions and methods specific for the Acillian.priests.
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>>5448868
>>To D3X, for the defence and artisan ability.
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>>5449358
Everytime I see minis without arms I remember that old Abbadon meme.
I'm liking that crimson main colour, looking forward to when the secondary and details are painted.
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>>5448868
TMQM can you tell us what the practical effect of these choices will be?
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>>5448868
>TalOS will take the first as his own.
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>>5448868
>>5449321
I am changing that vote to:
>>Allow him his choice.

Because it makes more sense to me for the Ascillians to find a Mentor that also agrees to the teaching rather than one assigned, it might make it a more diverse and independant group over all, but different knowledge can have surprising utility in the field.
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>>5448868
>TalOS will take the first as his own.
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>>5448868
>Allow him to choose
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Allow the Acillians to choose
>>5448873
>>5448885
>>5448892
>>5448956
>>5449471
>>5449555
>>5449199 - Specifically not TalOS.

TalOS shall be it
>>5448900
>>5449317
>>5449438
>>5449540

D3X
>>5449063
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>>5449199
I get the feeling this anon meant to do commentary, but forgot that we use greentext to vote lmao
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Anyone got a good name of the "Tech Priest Inquisitors". I dont want to call them Inquisitors because it will get confusing quick.

Also, come up with a funny name for their organization. If both can be used together that would be great!
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>>5449707
Oops, I forgot this:
Nobles: 7
Priests 5 (+1)
Knights: 6

Overall the Inquisition idea was pretty good. It gives just the right amount of authority not to anger so many people. Thus, benefits are reaped in other manners.
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>>5449707
maybe Illuminators (hate how capital i's and lowercase l's look the same) because they shin a light on corruption and miss use. you can even have their symbol be an III like the inquisitions capital I
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>>5449707
Department of Internal Census of Knowledge - DICK
The inquistior will be know as Holy Engineering Assets Detective, or the DICK:HEAD for short
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>>5449720
I like this, we can give them the the title Censor or Analyst.
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>>5449721
Anal-yst.
The bad jokes never stop
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>>5449725
And Censor as censor bars too, now that I think about it.
Was it intentional QM, and I'm too dumb to catch it on the first try?
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>>5449728
Nope, you are making my suggestions so much better.
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>>5449725
We could go Analist...
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>>5449736
Or Analii
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>>5449720
Perfect balance between practical and funny, I approve.
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>>5449720
Or i can just already imagine the conversations that TalOS is giong to have with Emps and Malcador!


Emps: So my son, i hear you have made an organization to ensure proper cohesion in your territory? I have had ideas to do so myself.

TalOS: Yes father, the Deparment of Internal Census on Knowledge has been a very valuable tool already.

Emps: ... You named it DICK?

TalOS: That is its abriviation, yes.

Emps: And what is the Deparment leader called?

TalOS: Holy Engineering Assets Detective.

Emps:....

TalOS:....

Emps: What did i do to deserve this?
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>>5449737
I wonder what the nobles and commoners from the hiveworlds we picked up think of the names of of all of these rules, organization and positions we are setting up.
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>>5449742
I think they are quite amused by the Mechanicus very..... intriguin naming convention.

;)
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The DICK:HEAD is obviously the tech priests in charge, the Analli can be the agents themselves, kind of like Inquisitors and Interrogators.
I still hope Censors as a title get used, either as a low level or administrative position, a collective title for members, or even how non-initiated refer to them so they can take it seriously.
The heretics will learn to fear the DICK
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The Fabricator had to think about the implications for a moment, knowing that this question would always come but having other things to do. Now though he could dedicate time to think upon it. And for a Primarch if you give them just a minute to think about something your result always comes, equal to a centuries worth of thought placed within it.

+I shall allow L3P3R to bring you into the fold. Inform him that to take you through the standard channels as I give both him and any Tech Priest blessings to take my sons in as their future students.+ TalOS announced with a firmness of understanding within his mind.

+That… are you sure of this Father?+ the Acillian asked as he looked to be both relieved and concerned over the decision.

+I am.+ The Primarch declared as he gave his thoughts, +In the end, son, brilliant minds no matter where they come from should be employed by the Priesthood. To put a restriction upon your ascensions to full Priest Hood would be a detriment to the Cult.+

+But, there will be issues.+

+There will be.+ Agreed TalOS as he thought back to the numerous names of his sons, +As an organization there will be attempts by Priests to pouch potential apprentices, the assignment of apprentices to bind Acillians to their forges, and the grooming of Acillians for the sole purpose of becoming a Priest.+ TalOS said to his son, +But these are issues that will be fixed over time with reform and understanding. What I want first and foremost is that we do not restrict you to one field of war or choose what field you join. As I am at the head you will think all my decisions sound, but what if I am not?+

The Acillian in that second had the same realization, +You are correct, nothing is eternal except the Machine God and knowledge.+

+The more the Priesthood of the Mechanicus realizes that both Acillian and Astartes are but another tool and not just my own weapons, I know I have done my duty. For there will be a time that I am not around during which you will all need to band together against threats beyond imagining.+ TalOS told his son outright, +I may be biologically immortal, but I can still be slain.+

+I understand Father. The Astartes do not, some of the Acillians too, but I do. You are but the greatest cog in our machine, but we cannot have a machine that solely relies upon you.+

+Go forth and learn, ED1SON. Inform your brothers of my decree. Just make sure they know it is their choice and that none can force them.+

+I understand.+ The Acillian bowed before exiting the room.
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TalOS knew that once the first Acillian placed forward their bid to become a Tech Priest, the floodgates were to be opened for all of his sons. It is quite reasonable to consider when one thinks of it for both the Acillians and the Tech Priests that took them into their fold.

The Acillians, after serving their time in the Proelitor, would have a chance to ascend past their ranks into an organization that they had always looked up to. Those who did not see themselves in the ranks of the Acillians or saw advancement as a Tech Priest more comparable took the opportunity to ascend into the greater ranks of the Priesthood.

For the Priests they were getting biologically engineered apprentices. These were men whose minds were created to function at a level comparable to TalOS, meaning that each of them were vastly more valuable than the standard human. This of course did not mean the Acillians were smarter than the greatest of Priests, but many realized the higher concentration of geniuses among the ranks of the Acillins. These facts made them perfect for Priests who seeked to cement their legacy by making the ex-Proelitor their heir.

However to TalOS any fears that the Acillians would accidently take over the Priesthood were non-existent. While an Acillian Priest might have a greater base due to his genetic engineering he was far from the most perfect Priest. A Priest who was both competent and augmented can easily prove themselves greater than the Acillains. Thus his sons were not instant victors, only having a leg up in the eternal challenges that drive every Tech Priest forward.

The barbaric actions of cell harvesting were easily destroyed once the funds were obligated to the new subsidy regime. Fewer Nobles were willing to pay for such dangerous goods when the Censors were watching their transactions. As for those who did not comply, they were turned into a lesson for others by the new Department of Internal Census of Knowledge.

TalOS took the moment to look over a gory account of a man forced to age while also being forced to remain in such a decrepit state. It seemed whatever Anali who administered that punishment had a twisted sense of humor and knowledge to commit such an act. If he ever met this man, TalOS will need to commemorate them.

As he looked over the information he received a message. TalOS expected something to come, but he did not expect what was to really happen.
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Wait i just had a thought, but is there a possibility for us calling our Internal department DICK to feed Slaanesh?


I mean, i know it is a bit of a stretch but.... Like, come on, if Slaanesh can justify reviving Lucius because a factory worker took pride in making the mine that killed him, then i think it is also probable for Slaanesh to gain some power from people always thinking about genitals whenever our Internal Investigation Department is mentioned.
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>>5449707
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Prefecture_Magisterium
If we're going with the canon version, you can call them "Magistrates" or "Magisters"

Unless you want them seperate from that specific Ordo and more aimed at being Federal specific.
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Today was the day that Titans Walked. They did not walk for war though for if they walked for war than that would have meant terror had arrived upon Lucius. Today they walked to bring to the one who is to arrive an immense honor.

About the area were hundreds of Skitarii, Astartes and Acillians, along with several lines of flames leading up from the outside of the city. Each and every soldier in a parade uniform looked as perfect as one would right out of a workshop. Behind them were crowds of factory serfs trying to get a glance at the one whose arrival many awaited a month for. Those people were held back by the Secarii, who were activated due to the needs of this very event.

TalOS soon watched as a Stormbird landed upon the ground at the very edge of the city, its arrival beckoned by the blaring of Titan and Knight horns that were to announce its arrival. Such beckoning caused all who heard them to stop what they were doing and rush out in front of the city to look out into the wide open streets of Forgespire Solaris. As the Stormbird touched down and lowered its doors all who were allowed sent salvos into the air as a welcoming gesture to the one who stepped out.

It was at that moment the Stormbird opened its doors and all who were present gazed upon the most perfect man to have ever existed.

Fulgrim walked down the streets to the roaring cries of the citizens and the salvos of soldiers. The Titans did not dare fire their main weapons in the middle of the Forgespire, instead releasing torrents of anti-air into the air to show their approval of the Primarch’s arrival upon the planet.

After minutes of walking the Fulgrim arrived at the great Titan Factory, upon the steps of which was TalOS. The two Primarchs gazed upon each other with an instant realization of who the other was through sheer understanding. What TalOS saw was a perfect specimen of genetic engineering, a creature to be both admired and studied for the benefit of the entire galaxy.

For Fulgrim, who had only been traveling the stars for a few months, looked upon his brother with sheer terror and disgust. So great was this emotion that even the most perfect of souls could not prevent these emotions from tainting his visage upon that single moment.

>A private conversation within the office
>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers
>A legion to legion discussion, where their right hands can also meet.
>Other ideas to welcome the brother?
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>>5449754
I would not worry about that, after all the Censors are part of the Organization.
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>>5449756
>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers
Speak about the devil.
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>>5449751
What about Censurii, I enjoy the wordplay between Censure (the ball of incense priests swing around), and Censor (to edit something), because they're both religiously based particularly around us
>>5449754
I think there has to be more to it than just the name, but maybe we'll have to deal with internal cultists occasionally
>>5449756
>A public meeting of Legions followed by a more intimate dinner
>Most importantly, move past the disgust he showed briefly and try to show more of yourself than the Soulless he saw
What would be a good gift for him? Any ideas?
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>>5449756
>A private conversation within the office
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>>5449756
>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers
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>>5449764
I like that. Hey QM, what do you think?
A gift for him? Maybe some way to project his image while speaking?
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>>5449770
Make one, you can easily make a large holostage for him.
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>>5449756
>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers
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>>5449756
>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers
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>>5449771
I meant anon's Censurii idea.
Could that holostage be portable? This might end up as some sort of chaos palanquin in the future, but we already started the gift giving tradition.
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>>5449788
I meant to spoiler that image.
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>>5449788
>>5449770
Thanks, maybe we can expand the Censurii into other things (I'd also love to give them Null Smoke in Censures, or something else similar with any number of other results)

Also, a Holo table sounds nice maybe something that can turn other devices into holographic repeaters or something similar to spread out his messages although to be honest I don't actually know enough about him to know what would be best
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Hmmm, how do you guys feel about:

Censurii - Our equivalent of the Ordo Redactor. They make sure classified stuff stays classified, and nobody says something they will regret
Analii - In charge of ensuring rules, standards and compliances of technology. No bastardization
Magisterii - In charge of religious matters, actual heresy and questions of demon machines/possessed machines
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>>5449707
the debuggers
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>>5449751
>YOU BETTER SHOW YOUR RESPECT FOR I AM THE DICK'S HEAD
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>>5449840
>"YOU ARE NOT MY SON, NONE OF YOU EVER WERE"
>TalOS: +Acknowledged. Unit #2 ready to receive commands from Creator+
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>>5449756
>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers.

Traditions have to be maintained, besides it will be interesting to have a full conversation with one of our brothers who in theory is our opposite.
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>>5449756
>>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers
I can already imagine it
>Brother, are you not hungry? You haven't even looked at the food
>No brother, I had something on the way here...
>My mom cooked this you know? She's the best at deep frying corpse starch. I ran a double-blind peer reviewed planet wide clinical trial.
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>>5449829
Ooh I like that
>>5449841
The Chosen, for they are It.
>>5449858
God, that would be the most awkward conversation in existence, especially because at that point the Emperor would essentially have spit on at least 60% of his Sons and a better portion of the Astartes (which btw we need to talk to ours more because they're kinda like our stepsons at this point and we can't afford them getting squirrely
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>>5449936
I'd say TalOS has a great relationship with his sons as can be, possibly one of the best in so far as one Primarch can have a relationship with an entire legion.

Consider:
>Out of all the Primarchs, he's the best at multi-tasking since he can use subminds, data-jinn, and secondary sub-consciousnesses like a Techpriest can.
>He has a noospheric connection capacity with literally every single space marine at any given time that is within range. He doesn't need them to meet them at his office, or come to the bridge.
>He keeps up to speed on everything, he knows all that goes on so long as there is noospheric connection. He could have a veritable small army of little data-imps, servo skulls, and the eyes of techpriests. Possibly the ones to rival him in his awareness of the legions ongoings is Magnus and Perturabo/Ferrus for their techness. Except Perturabo is an ass to his sons and Ferrus is just hard.
>TalOS is a believer in improvement, not perfection. He understands, like Saint ED1SON himself, that failure is but the prelude to learning and success. He is not ashamed to lose to Leman Russ, and will fight him again and again as a way to test and improve himself. The precedence he sets for his sons to is not to be so perpetually terrified of failure so long as they seek to improve and overcome the weaknesses of flesh and upgrade themselves for the next challenge. This in comparison to the Iron Warriors who fear failing perturabo "for the last time" like he were some super villain rather than their beloved father. Or even the Emperor's Children where there is no greater shame than imperfection. We embrace our physical imperfections in the pursuit of perfection of the mind and machine
>He's a stable sensible man, with good parents, a wife, personal children, basically like Guilliman except even Guilliman never had wife and kid. And he wants his Acillians to remember their families, like the Salamanders do
>He's also their prophet, and their religious figure, and he shares that extra bond of faith like Lorgar and Vulkan do with their sons

I'd like to imagine TalOS regularly sends out brief constructive criticisms and praise via noosphere and hologram to everyone from his Reichsmarshals to the common Astartes when they do something noteworthy, thanks to the efficiency of Binharic/noospheric over regular language. He wants to see everyone improve, just as a Techpriest ought to, in body and mind.
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>>5449967
That is true, but complacency is next to Corruption and I feel like the Astartes are the furthest from us
Also, what's their "thing" like Salamanders looking like that or Pertabo's Pals having the ability to see weaknesses?
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>>5449999
They were very angry and autistic.
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>>5450003
Which is suggested to stem from a psychic connection to Tal0S and by extension the Particeps Semper. He is just able to handle the rage better than them, like Sangunious commenting on the Black Thirst and the Red Thirst.

Luckily, not as severe. And we aren't above treating it with suppressants if that becomes a problem, but we intend to cut that psychic link anyway.
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>>5450003
But the Titanic Ire came straight from Particeps Semper through T4L0S link. What is our legion's thing? I don't know!! They were always into big guns, gas and explosives right¿?
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>>5450073
mechs/dreadnoughts
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>>5450079
ah, dreadnoughts but without the dread that comes from being entombed
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>>5450091
>>5450079
That's what we're trying to accomplish at least. Eventually maybe have the Steel Wardens be dreads instead of terminators.
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>>5449967
I think the average Dragonling isn't that different from other astartes with the exception of artisans who will become priests now. The biggest visible difference from the second legion is that if one of our kids feels particularly irritated about something, for example a piece of green shit that thinks sometimes.

He'll be super focused on that target in question until whatever it is, that provoked the dragonborn, cannot be distinguished from the destroyed ground around it.

In short, the second legion has imbedded within them a button to:
>Fuck this thing in particular.
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>>5449756
>Dinner

Whew, that was quite a visceral reaction
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>>5449936
Eh. We already said we can't call him dad. That title is for another.

It would be kind of funny. To receive that speech with our other brothers and we're the only ones who already knew what was up despite everything going to shit.
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>>5449756
>>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers
with maybe an opportunity for the sons to talk/compare notes

Cause our sons know how unusual their legion is, the Emperors Children have no idea how different the legions are. Better to nip that problem in the butt before they have to work together and nothing to build on.
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>>5449936
Oddly enough the ones who wouldn't be offended would be the Acillians. They have no actual ties to the Emperor asides those that come from us.

The Acillians are not Astartes, they are not the Emperor's angels of Death nor were they made by his hand. Their loyalty to the Emperor is an extension of our loyalty.

We basically have free reign to do as we please with them, modify their geneseed as much as we please, so long as its not overtly corrupt.

Theoretically, when Nicea happens, if we cared about psykers we could insist upon a separate edict regarding the Acillians or press that such a declaration be made "by the Fabricator General" given the Acilllians are a Mechanicum asset, not an Imperial one. But that won't be necessary cause I believe TalOS would just advocate alongside Yusugei and suggest the Legion give up their psykers to the Telepathica under Malcador's watch, rather than having librarians or suppressing psykers.
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>>5450455
By which I mean, our Legion has no psykers because we make it practice to give them to the Telepathica.

Which I consider far, far less hypocritical than Russ who just kept his but sided with the anti-psykers at Nikea.

I think we would agree with Dorn, Russ was super hypocritical in that.
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>>5450455
TalOS would know very well that just ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away, and that things should always be dealt by actual professionals.
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>>5450458
>>5450463
We might be able to convince Magnus that in this case winning is not having them get their vote but the other side not getting theirs.
Fight another day, in a sense.
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>>5450463
>>5450468
It would be nice, though I highly doubt Magnus would ever brook that, not if we don't put some serious damn effort into it.

Magnus probably wouldn't appreciate being under Malcador's watch and key 24/7, rather than being his own force of nature. Unlike us, we'd be totally thrilled to serve under such a brilliant mind like Uncle if we weren't busy managing our own affairs.

But imagine if we did though. To have Magnus at Terra, sitting upon the Golden Throne to spare Malcador's life, and then him and his thousand sons bravely fight the battle of the Webway gate while he props up the Emperor's psychic wall like a vision of Atlas with the world upon his shoulders as the tide of Four Chaos Gods come bearing down on it, just long enough for us to try and maneuver the Blackstone Fortress to stem the flow of Chaos Energy trying to break through.

It's probably going to come to a head when QM asks us which traitor we may focus our efforts on keeping on the loyalist side. I just hope we don't end up exchanging a really good loyalist in return.
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>>5450458
Speaking of which, it might be a good idea to find those guys just to have an awkward conversation with the sons we gave up, weren't they hanging out with the Custodes too?
>The Adoptiis are helping protect the Webway gate
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>>5450508
TalOS observed them guarding the Golden Throne, but he opted to not communicate with them as it was for the best they keep their psychic secrets to themselves. He no like warp.

Still, I'd think in the very least, he would wish to give them all a noospheric thumbs up and digital regards to keep up the good work. They are still his sons.

A meeting might still happen when Malcador needs to ramp up the Webway project and is scrounging for every techpriest familiar with psykana and eldar wraithbone he can find. He might even ask us to speak on behalf of the Imperial Palace to send more Eldar Xenarites from Stygies to Terra to work on the Webway, or at least help funnel more techpriests to the Palace.
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>>5449756
>Dinner
God I hate Fulgrim so much
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>>5450512
Bet he's going to inevitably make some sly insult or remark against our Acillians. They weren't made by the Emperor, so they can't be perfect like the astartes. He's certainly going to be very shocked at the massive amounts of modifications we've done to our body and to our sons.

This will be a cordial meeting, and TAL0S will display his typical Vulkan style friendliness, but Fulgrim will surely show his haughty side like he does with Khan. Still I think we should at least compliment him on his efforts as restoring the mining world of Chemos to peak efficiency and the modifications he did to their mining machines.
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>>5450513
I hope we don't gift that pompous peacock anything but a lump of coal to remind him home, that guy has an arrogance surpassing Magnus's with nothing to show for it. Or better yet, if we now about his legion's sickness we can offer to modify their genes for them to insult his delusional view of perfection.
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>>5450599
>+1, mog the overgroomed bastard with our elite genetor skills, maybe see if brother fabius needs an apprenticeship.
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>>5449756
>Dinner, as TalOS has shared with all his brothers
>Offer him a weapon, a very nice weapon, like we offer any of our brothers
Even if he insults us, intentionally or not, I don't think T4L0S would show animosity to Fulgrim. We're too rich and successful to care and Fulgrim is poor and reliant on daddy's money for his fancy clothes and ride.
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>>5450611
No weapon. We offer things to people who deserve it. We didn't give Horus anything so we shouldn't give the cum-haired narcissist anything but a powerdong
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>>5450611
>>5450618
Offer him a protection mask, its gonna infuriate him
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Dinner
>>5449762
>>5449768
>>5449776
>>5449782
>>5449863
>>5449865
>>5450243
>>5450340
>>5450512
>>5450611

A Private Conversation
>>5449767

A public meeting
>>5449764

Now this is a conversation that I will have fun writing.
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>>5450507
I doubt we'll even be invited to Nicea. It was about psykers in the legions. As a non-imperial and some one who doesn't use psykers we don't need to be their in a internal matter.
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>>5450672
Depends on who invites you. Going down that path, TalOS might be a greater stake holder in these debates that cannot be ignored.
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>>5450676
I'd laugh my ass off if we the warp hating blank primarch end up being the voice of reason that leads to the creation of the librariums as a institution
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>>5450679
We might hate the warp but our hatred isn't blind it's calculated. We have the wisdom necessary to see librarians as assets. I believe we will have the same view as the Khan in the debate and maybe help with translation since we got computer in brain and translators were a big problem in the debate.
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>>5450679
Gonna need some convincing for that

#1 by that time we hopefully have grown the Null Nobilite and advanced our anti-warp tech capabilities that even the threat of (Tulpa's/Sentient Hostile Warp Energies/Demons/whatever) has been, at least for our legion, significantly reduced. To the point that we are the go-to legion for fighting psychic threats given our history with the Mitu and the Rangdan eventually
#2 even if we did need psykers instead of anti-psykers, we would advocate just calling on the actual Telepathica and Malcador for advisory support, rather than having in-house librarians. Far better for them to be supervised by professional psykers like our Father/Malcador on Terra

So it would have to be something that convinces us not to just posit the same stance if asked to be a tie-breaker, why would we see in-house librarians better than having all be under the watch of Uncle, the 2nd oldest and most venerable human psyker in the Galaxy?

I could see us having a greater reason to go there if say, hmm, the 11th Primarch turns out to be an asshole and our major antithesis. But what would TalOS antithesis be?
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>>5450688
Well, some legions have way too many psykers to send them all, Magnus' legion would basically cease to exist for example.
So a librarium, but with the agents of Mal overseeing things is the best bet to control them all.
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>>5450691
In the "we try to keep Magnus on the good guy team" option, convincing him and his entire legion to arrive to Terra before the warp storms would be tremendously in our favor.

In any case, it is not at all a bad suggestion to induct an entire Legion into Telepathica supervision. Sure it will hurt his pride, but it's not just any mere psyker we are asking him to let into their practices. It's Malcador himself.

The Thousand Sons wouldn't be disbanded, per say, they would be rebranded. Given unto Telepathica supervision and integrating Telepathica agents into their order. I don't see Magnus actually going along with this, but that would probably be the stance we'd posit I feel.
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>>5450692
Honestly, since Magnus is such an important part of the emperor's plan, him being the one that breaks the seal on the webway gate, that I see keeping him loyal is how we would lose Guilliman.
Because Chaos Ultramar would be the only way I can think of to balance such a huge shift of power.
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It was two point six seconds, that was how long TalOS saw the look upon the demigod’s face. It was the kind of terror that TalOS had seen on others, people who were faced to face with the more liberal Tech Priests of the Cult Mechanicus. A terror of seeing the body of a man ‘violated’ by the intruding wires and cables that made us the augmentations the Priesthood so valued.

The Primarch wondered about his brother, why he looked like that. TalOS had always had augmentations, some during the time he interacted with Horus contrary to his current form presented to Leman Russ and Ferrus Manus. None of his brothers seemed to hold such a reaction until this very moment.

The festivities did not stop as the Third continued onwards. With every step talOS could see the perfection that was written in every piece and fiber of the being before him. It only made TalOS wonder if he was built to be this perfect, or that he made himself this perfect?

Thinking about his other brothers more and more, it was likely that Fulgrim himself was the one who aimed to be perfect.

Upon the Primarch’s first step on the stairs towards TalOS the host spoke, “I, Fabricator General TalOS DAV1S hereby extend my hand in welcome. People of Lucius, assist me as we welcome my Brother Primarch of the Third Legion, Fulgrim, to Lucius!”

Upon those words the crowds all around them began to cry out. All at once the soldiers and warmachines gave volleys of salute to the one who finally reached the precipice of the staircase.

In the old Terran manner TalOS extended his hand to his brother, only for Fulgrim to take a second to judge whether he truly wanted to shake it. In the end the Third reached over and gripped it tight, the two shaking before raising it to the crowd to see.

Everyone cheered, including the Emperor’s Children who stood as bodyguards to their Primarch. In that time TalOS thought it strange he had so few of them, but ignored it as he gave a hand in instruction to lead Fulgrim into the building.

Without a word the other Primarch did as was suggested to him. The two of them soon walked through the massive metal doors meant for Titans to walk through. A second later the doors closed, causing a loud metal cling to carry across the city as the two were now secluded from the rest of the Forgespire.
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The two were silent to one another as they walked through the workstation. The factory was still active of course, being that the tides of war will never cease within the galaxy. But in his kindness, TalOS gave a few workers who were able a day’s leave so that he would have the more personal experience he seeked today.

TalOS opened a door to a room with two massive chairs. The Primarch gave a hand towards one of the chairs, which his brother took as a sign to sit. TalOS noticed as he looked upon his brother that there was little sense of awe in his eyes or even a desire for study. All that was before him seemed to have giving him the same feelings that his first sight of TalOS gave.

Before he sat though, while standing on his two feet, Fulgrim finally spoke, “My Brother, what have they done to you?”

TalOS was about to sit, but instead remained standing to look Fulgrim in the eyes. Before his augmentations TalOS would not have rivals his brother in size, but after decades within the Mechanicum his body was forged into something far greater than its original form. As if to show, TalOS eyes were level with that of Fulgrim’s.

“They have given me everything I have.” TalOS responded as he gave another hand to the chair for his brother, “Food will be coming soon.”

“I will not allow you to avoid me with the temptation of food.” Declared the 3rd as he allowed his eyes to fully scan over TalOS. TalOS felt the reason he did this was because in his disgust he avoided learning the full extent, “Oh brother, I shall shed a tear for you as you cannot shed any yourself.”

“I am still equipped with tear ducts. My eyes have not been given liquid sealing treatment.” TalOS corrected his brother in an attempt at a joke, “Fulgrim, I am still a Primarch just as yourself.”


“How can you say so?” Pointed out the Primarch as he moved away from the chair and towards TalOS, “No longer do you bare the skin, muscle, and form that our Father gave us. Instead of being a perfect creation that represents our Father, you perverted both the flesh and form that he gave you.”

“That is because what was given to me was inadequate.” TalOS declared with the firmness of someone who wanted the conversation to end, “My body is but a malleable construct of blood vessels and tissue before, now the firmness of adamantine steel.”
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>>5450688
the problem with having them all under the watch of malcador would be the sheer scale and distance. you would have to first send them to malador/terra or have them sent to a place for training. train them and then send them back or even worse have them send a request for them to be sent to the battlefield. that creates long wait times and resources when you have mal send some people to train them within the legion so he could a.) have spies and b.) allow the legions the ability to use their psykers in a orderly or quick matter.
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“That…” Instead of the horror that Fulgrim gave earlier the Primarch gave his brother confusion, “How can anything other than what our Father create be better?”

“It is the strength of Steel Fulgrim, that is what I hold.” TalOS told his brother but he knew that these words were not reaching his brother.

“Steel? Our flesh is stronger than whatever steel can bring.” Announced the Perfect Specimen as he slammed his bare fist to create an indentation into the table below him, “See how easily it is mended! How do you see it as stronger?”


TalOS felt his hearts skip as he saw a venerated piece of material destroyed. A sickening feeling flowed into where his brain lies telling him of the numerous stories the furniture had been witnessed to. In an instant his Machine Spirits made it known that it was three centuries old, given because of TalOS's ever burgeoning requests for information.

“Brother, I ask that you do not damage my materials. Where we stand is a venerable place that holds things centuries older than us.” TalOS exclaimed while trying to arrange an Artisan to repair the injured material.

It was to those words that Fulgrim looked upon his brother with blankness, “Every step I have taken upon this land has been a test of my will, TalOS. Do you think me a fool? I have seen your Acillians among those within those that welcomed me, such perverted creations of our Father’s Astartes. I understand that you made them yourself when you have yet to bask in our Father’s glorious creations, but you’ve yet to cease their production.”

“That is illogical-”

“How can you see such a thing as Illogical!” Cut Fulgrim with an accusation, “They are like effigies of the glorious Astartes! Only a fool would keep them around!”

>>I would love extra flavor placed upon these items. I am taking suggestions.
>Sit down and stare
>That is his opinion, ask if he’s said his fill.
>Debate the Primarch
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>>5450698
Actually, loyalist Lorgar or even loyalist Horus too, but just like Magnus, I don't see TalOS of all people connecting with them enough.
>>5450705
>Debate the Primarch
>Our creator has not only given me permission to continue production of the Acillian, but has handed over control over my Astartes as well to modify as I wish.
>Malcador, our secondary creator, has also complimented my work. Therefore, it has been properly peer reviewed and approved. You will have to file a complaint with them.
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>>5450703
Sending them to Terra right after Nikea to spend some time reorganizing is the point. By then the Great Crusade is slowly coming to a close, and by having the entire legion be on Terra they are at the right time and the right place to learn of Horus betrayal. More so since Chaos knows it can't lure Magnus into breaking the wall, Chaos will have to resort to plan B to stop the Webway: Combine all four of their godlike power and just wail upon the wall like angry gorillas until it cracks then pour the demons through.

The Emperor would have to focus on stopping anyway hence trapping him on the golden throne, but if Magnus was there that picture changes.
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>>5450708
Oh, and let me add
>I also must disagree with the strength of our flesh over adamantium. I have run plenty of tests to disprove such notion, both in controlled environment as in a battlefield. An assassination attempt was what spurned me to replace my right arm, for it was destroyed by plasma.
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>>5450716
Keep adding stuff. More material the better.
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>>5450705
>Sit down and stare (do it for about 15 seconds)
>"I think we are going to be having an... Interesting relationship down the road"
>Begin to debate with Fulgrim: 1) Point out their usefulness 2) Tell Fulgrim clearly that, while yes the Astartes are great, they are not perfect 3) That we too, as primarchs, are not perfect and to think we are is foolish, for not even the Emperor/Creator is perfect (Don't say it is because of his psyker powers, even though that is most definitely why (since it makes him a target in the warp))
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>>5450705
>Debate the Primarch
>I have thoroughly tested and compared the capabilites of the Acillians and the Astartes and have not found the Astartes to be inherently superior. Both have their place.

>I already have plans to modify the gene's of my sons to eliminate a flaw within their gene-code.
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>>5450720
Well, the only other thing I can think of is that these are indeed improvements, and we wouldn't keep them if they were downgrades, since increasing efficiency is a holy act.
We have even keep our original flesh in stasis for study, and in case an unexpected discovery such as a STC or application of archeotech allows for even better results. Wink wink
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"Before his augmentations TalOS would not have rivals his brother in size"
lmao I guess Alpharius wasn't meant to be the only short primarch after all. good thing we decided to literally be built different
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>>5450724
Oh yeah, we do have knowledge that legions have flaws in their geneseed from our sons and our talk with arihman.
So proof that the Emperor's work is not perfect.
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>>5450730
I don't think we know about the flesh change yet.
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>>5450705
>Debate the Primarch
>Point out that we keep our Acillians not because we created them, but to fill roles that a regular Astarte falls behind in, the same goes for our Astartes.
>Our creator has not only given me permission to continue production of the Acillian, but has handed over control over my Astartes as well to modify as I wish.
>Malcador, our secondary creator, has also complimented my work. Therefore, it has been properly peer reviewed and approved. You will have to file a complaint with them.
>Astartes are not perfect brother, I already have plans to modify my children's genes to remove a flaw in their genetic code.
>I also must disagree with the strength of our flesh over adamantium. I have run plenty of tests to disprove such notion, both in controlled environment as in a battlefield. An assassination attempt was what spurned me to replace my right arm, for it was destroyed by plasma.
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>>5450732
He said he was in the library to discover a way to fix his legion.
He didn't specify what was the problem, but he said there was one.
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>>5450705
>Debate the Primarch.
>The Emperor created his children to help humanity achieve a glorious future, something that goes beyond him or ourselves.
>We do not embody perfection, we embody the spirit of innovation and overcoming what came before us. That's why Tal0S is the closest to the emperor of all brothers ever encountered up to this point, all his actions and decisions come from a deep desire to achieve a better future. Not to create an immutable form unable to adapt that believes to have reached the pinnacle of all reality. Not even the Machine God behaves with such presumptuousness.
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>>5450705
> Debate the Primarch
> All of my changes have been wrought through struggles, struggles of the flesh, struggles of the mind, struggles of the steel. Much like struggle turns a green soldier into a veteran, turns students into masters, and slabs of steel into most sacred blades, I've been made stronger, smarter, faster through my struggles.
> Now who is more valuable to the Emperor? A green soldier or a veteran? A student or a master of his field? A slab of steel or a mastercrafted blade? You already know the answer, Fulgrim. I've simply made myself into a better Primarch to better fulfill his goals.

And if all of that doesn't work
> Fk off cunt
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>>5450688
>But what would TalOS antithesis be?
Another Mech oriented primarch but this one is 100% xenos technology. He has crazy shit like aeldari spirit stones and managed to master wraithbone.

It would represent the xenos minded aspect of the emperor. He needs someone to be hipocrite for him and manage the webway after all
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>>5450705
>You have barely seen the stars, brother. We are creations of our Father, not his sons. What difference is there between being smelt and bashed inside the forge and the vats we spawned in?
>The reverence you hold for our Creator comes from one that doesn't know the Machine God and is ignorant to their teachings.
>There is no point in your argument because it is academic at best. What I did to myself was to serve my God better and there is no way back. If it serves you as consolation Brother, I can gift you my bodyparts that are in stasis, maybe then you will then understand that they were tools and I have made improvements
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>>5450897
I would disagree here. his antithesis would be a ultra psyker luddite or someone who recklessly advances technology and science with little to no care tradition or what came before.
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>>5450915
>An AI primarch
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>>5450705
>Debate the Primarch
>An object lesson: Arm Wrestle him, see if his Primarch Flesh is stronger than our Primarch Wrought Steel
There are so many clever things we can say and points, but I would suggest a simple object test on the strength of flesh vs steel. He rent a 300 year old decorative table. But can he do the same against our artificer atomantic powered adamantine servo arm?

A Primarchs strength has limits. On a blood slicked floor Fulgrim was pinned down by a dozen men. Let's test those limits.
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>>5450705

I'll add this to my vote >>5450724
>An object lesson: Arm Wrestle him, see if his Primarch Flesh is stronger than our Primarch Wrought Steel
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Honestly I'm just here loving that everyone has their own way of tackling this. All will be used, and keep them coming.
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>>5450705
>Debate the Primarch
Fucking Fulgrim. Let's spar with him and put this glorified prostitute in his place. "Emperor's Perfectness" my ass. It's rich coming from him. I know we can't beat him too much but by the machine god we should
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>>5450705
>Addressing Fulgrim's Points
>See Below

>>"The Emperor made the Astartes to be perfect! The Acillians are mockeries"
>The Emperor did not make the Astartes, not alone. He organized the machinations that lead to their creation, the gathering of brilliant minds, the collection of technology. He did not make the astartes first but the thunder warriors, from which the astartes were an upgrade. This shows he recognizes the importance of upgrades, which are not possible if every creation of his were perfect. We, as his creation, are therefore another one of his machinations and thus the Acillians have claim to his indirect design as the Astartes.
>He created us, we created the Acillians
>He, and Malcador (who also was part of the astartes program), have given us their blessing to continue our work, for they have not forbidden nor ordered us to disband the Acillians. They in fact, welcomed the addition of these supersoldiers into our legion and pressed them to war immediately.
>Malcador himself has accepted several of our Acillians into service on Terra (as part of the Telepathica, but we don't have to mention this) this is direct proof of approval


>>"You perverted both the flesh and form that he gave you"
>Our father did not create us as adults, though he could have. He made us as infants. Infants grow and change form, they improve, thus improvement is in our nature as with every human. We are not created perfect, for we were vulnerable out of our metallic womb
>Not all flesh is equal. Some can be changed, lost, look upon our brother Ferrus and his hands.
>The most important piece of flesh, that part which cannot be lost nor changed, is the mind. It is the mind that we consider perfect, thus immutable. The body can progress

>"Steel? Our flesh is stronger than whatever steel can bring"
>No. It's not. (Object Lesson)
>Also if that were the case, if we were like the ancient 'murrican legends of Superman and could deflect bolt shells and shoot lascannons out of our eyes, why do you still wear armor and wield weapons? Why do you ride in machines, rather than leap to where you wish to go?
>Flesh has limitations, we exceed these limitations with technology, as mankind has done since the ancient age and the first spear
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>>5451056
Ditto
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>>5450705
>Debate

>BRING UP THE STATISTICS, BITCH
Fulgrim is never going to listen to stats, numbers, or anything we say. So throw the numbers at him, continue our diplomatic talks or throw him out.
He has already worn his welcome thin.
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>>5451311
don't say things that are not true. No way T4L0S will feel like kicking him out of the galaxy subsector. Fulgrim is just confused. Give him a couple years worth of space travel and warp horror
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>>5451323
I like what SoN said that no matter how some of his brothers rail at him, T4L0S just remembers he's stupid rich and a great success and doesn't really let it get to him. Why let it get to him? Unlike Magnus and psychic powers, no one is going to slow down the march of technology and slow the war effort or engage in tech heresy. The Emperor wants speed, and we are giving him speed of conquest.
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>>5451329
I agree with you to an extend, but since he has always been a very family focused person and treats both the Astartes and Ascillians as a very big family extension any direct insults on them would at least get him annoyed, if not angry.
Even if Fulgrim is his brother, he does not get the right to talk about TaL0S's sons like that!
You don't get to slag off a nephew just cause you are related, at best its rude.

Where i do agree is that he would not let that lose control of his emotions, set it aside and treat it later, this brother needs a lesson.
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>>5450705
>Include Arm Wrestling
Since QM says he's basically going to include all the points everyone's come up with, and it looks like anything I'd have to say has already been said, I'll just also back besting him in a contest of strength to make a point.

>>5451336
This is true. He would still get irked, even if he can choose to not show it, we do still have a lesson to teach.
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This might have been a moment where TalOS would keep his anger in check. To balance on the razor thin edge that would keep this from growing ever worse. Such were ideas that TalOS himself had, and that those of his cloth would have also recognized.

But that would be to ignore what the vast majority of his brotherhood would do in this situation. When one is faced with a detractor who claims your entire life’s work to be a falsehood and that of ruin, it cannot be looked upon lightly. And it was not just TalOS as the numerous Venerable Machine Spirits that were within his body began calculating battle schemes and algorithms that were basically asking for the destruction of the target.

The thing that set TalOS off though was when his hand brushed upon the dent his ‘brother’ made.

“My Children, those of which I created and raised with my own hands, have their uses.” TalOS said with the rumbling anger of a Titan quaking through each spoken note, “They have their purpose in their service to me, specialized in machine and ranged warfare. Just as results from the field they outperform their host Legion by 33%!”

“You speak blasphemy against our Father.” Countered with terror upon his face, “He has given to you the perfect warriors, and you would spit up it!”

“They are far from perfect.” TalOS fired back with a good amount of mirth coming from the vox caster, “These Astartes, my Sons, suffer from genetic and temporal issues that only I can save them from. I know of at least one other Legion that suffers like they do, so the concept of Astartes is not perfect.”

“You claim them to suffer a flaw? You are simply mistaking a purposeful creation as a curse.” Fulgrim shot back with the hint of illusory, “Our Father is perfect, thus all he does is with purpose.”

“He is not our Father, he is one our Creators. The Head of an entire Cabal of them.” TalOS snapped back, “Forged we were in the depths of Terra, our every cell and soul examined through the magnanimous efforts of a hundred souls. Even we, the Priests of the Cult Mechanicus, do not go into such trials in the creation of our offspring. Thus, like the venerable table that you injured, we were forged. Forged by the hands of not just the Emperor but Mortals like Malcador the Sigillite!”

To those words Fulgrim laughed. It was a sickening laugh that could only come from someone who thought themselves greater than any other person. He looked down upon TalOS with the sternness and mirth to say, “Malcador? Malcador the Sigillite? Ha! He is only a tool and deserves no credit for what the Emperor himself brought to being!”
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TalOS stared at Fulgrim for what could have been a century. Any respect held against the man was lost in an instant as he dismissed the dutiful work belonging to one of mankind’s greatest men. To put one who was Ancient and degrade them to a lesser being was an insult crossed a core tenant of the Mechnicum.

“If you were a member of the Mechanicus what you spoke would have been Heresy.” TalOS said as he went with a cold iron voice.

“Heresy, brother?” The man gave a laugh as he stopped his anger to become mocking in tone, “You speak in such a barbaric term that I begin to find your words are of a lunatic.”

“Yet you have accused me of Blasphemy against a being who is not even a god.” TalOS fired back, though he knew now that peaceful conversation had long since passed them, “Face it brother, it is the flesh that is weak in the end. Do we use our hands to mend steel or use our hands to screw in a bolt’s nut? When you have slaughtered men do you use your bare fists? No, you use metal and the tools fashioned from it.”

“We use them because our bodies were not meant for such menial tasks.” Flaunted the Primarch with a brush of his long hair, “It is not the wrench that affixes the bolt but the muscles of the person. All machines require that.”

“It is the mind that does all.” TalOS felt somewhat that an agreement was being reached, but knew it was more toying with the man before him.

“As we are forged by our Father, as you said, then we are like those tools. Brother, what I do not understand ultimately is why you forsake such a state of being.” Point out Fulgrim once again, “You were perfect, built for your purpose in the stars. Staying in this palace of metal, you engorge yourself in politics and technology. It saddens me.”

“It may sadden you, but I do not care what you speak of now.” TalOS firmly declared as he looked upon his brother, “We are to have an interesting road before us, an interesting one that I am sure remembrancers will speak of.”


“They will.” He said slyly as he moved his cloak to reveal a sword upon his person, “They will cry out the folly of TalOS the Disfigured, how he ruined his body in pursuit of vain glory and power.”
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As the sword was shown there was a pair of footsteps from the other side of the room. Fulgrim looked on the other side of the room to see a Tech Priest’s mechanrite brandishing a Plasma Cavalier pointed in his direction. He looked around the room, giving a chuckle.

“Call off your dogs, TalOS.” Barked the Primarch as he gave a coy grin, “To think that you would have mobilized your own sons against me though. That might make you the first to do so.”

TalOS focused upon Fulgrim with a cold hard stare, “This matter is because you were belligerent. I welcome you into my planet and you have done nothing but yell and now brandish a weapon. Of my sons, they are a hearing to orders laid down since their creation to protect me.”

“Even against your own brother.” Fulgrim looked upon TalOS speechlessly.

“Yes, I did not give them any exceptions. They are to protect me at all times from all threats. It does not matter what cloth or whose face they wear.” TalOS made it firmly known as he stole a look towards his mother brandishing the Plasma weapon.

“What I ask of you is not that but a simple bout.” Pointed out Fulgrim as he raised a sheathed sword into the air, “I have heard from Horus that you have brawled Leman Russ. That you have lost to him, yet this has not guided you off this foolish path. I believe that is because you were holding back against Leman, believing that your true powers lie in those weapons integrated into your arms and mechanrites.”

“You think you can defeat me?”

“Yes~” Charmed the Emperor’s Children Primarch as he raised his sword before him, “The first to reach a strike shall win, and you can use all the weapons at hand. We will even do it here, so that none except your closest family will bear witness your defeat.”

“You are confident.” TalOS told his brother as he began working on battle protocols.

“I am ready, TalOS. Yet have I tested my mettle against any of my fellow brothers. You will be the first and even if you are no longer perfect still hold the ability of us.” Fulgrim told TalOS as he was prepared with his sword.

>Fine, we make this quick
>Why not a simple contest of strength?
>I will not hide it, come and see where glory is truly won.
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>>5451531
Alright, Fulgrim might have the most posts in his Primarch segment because hes stupidly fun to write.

>>If you go for battle, suggestions on tactics should be recommended. No bringing in a Titan onto the battlefield though.
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>>5451532
Also, I might have cranked his arrogance up a little too high. However this entire story is short and I need to establish some villianous shit
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>>5451531
>I will not hide it, come and see where glory is truly won.
>Alas, this bout will prove nothing, since I'll have to hold back anyway. The Imperium would surely be displeased If I fought like I do on the battlefield. An Imperator Titan does not have non-lethal weaponry you see.
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>>5451531
>Fine, we make this quick
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>>5451531
>Backing this >>5451536

>As for tactics? play on his ego and his desire to 'prove' himself and bait him into a trap before cutting or shooting something that would FORCE him to need replacements.
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>>5451536
+1
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>>5451531
>>Why not a simple contest of strength?
We need more lessons from Russ before we face off Fulgrim, one of the best swordsmen in the galaxy. We aren't really a swordsman.

But brute strength and application of atomantic servo power IS something we are innately familiar with.
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>>5451532
Aw no titan? not even a reaver? (◞‸◟)meanie
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>>5451531
I will be
>Supporting >>5451542
Because remember if he gets to use his sword it's only fair we get to use our imperator titan, after all shouldn't we be allowed our actual combat style in a duel? It's a shame we won't get to use it so instead we must battle on a grander scale where we can use armies to show the machine god's superiority over this heretic's foul host
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>>5451532
>No bringing in a Titan onto the battlefield though.
COME ON. Not even a tiny one
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>>5451531
>>I will not hide it, come and see where glory is truly won.
I don't now what this option means, QM. "come" where¿? We could go and conquer a couple planets, side to side with Fulgrim. Much like how Dutonis have done...
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>>5451599
To the colosseum anon.
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>>5451603
ooh so we choose between getting our ass beat *here* our out *there*. I don't want to be known as the primarch who loses every duel... :(
>Fine, we make this quick

Remember that fulgrim has MASSIVE healing factor, so we shouldn't hold back at all
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>>5451599
I don't think fulgrim is worth that much time because unlike him we have an empire to manage due to how successful we are. Untill he can boast a self made empire of his own he simply isn't worth even a month of our time that could be better spent on the quest for knowledge
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>>5451603
The colosseum? I thought we would be battling armies against each other in order to show true glory not just some petty duel
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>>5451612
Well, the way I see it would be two armies on the arena.
Unless there is a city needing destruction or open field nearby for us to use, of course.
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>>5451532
>No bringing in a Titan onto the battlefield though.

Can we bring a knight instead?

No, scratch that. Can we bring SEVERAL knights? I want to hit fulgrim in the face with enough ordinance that all past, future and sidereal incarnations will feel the fury of TalOS and know not to fuck about with his family!
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>>5451617
A military drill between the Emperor's Children and Proelitor? That, that sounds like something TalOS would propose to prove he is right on all fronts.
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>>5451621
I think that's what some people are thinking that "where glory is truly won" means.
I mean, an arena is good entertainment and proving grounds and all, but true glory is only earned in an actual battlefield. I'm sure the knights would agree with this assessment.
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>>5451628
Yeah this is what I was thinking it was
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>>5451628
Where glory is won is the arena, but now it's tiring the arena into a battlefield.
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>>5451633
Nice
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>The heresy begins a century earlier
>On Lucius

I mean... you never know what comes out of this full fledged battle. Imagine if the two sides start blasting eachother with live ammo
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>I will not hide it, come and see where glory is truly won.

Full balls to the wall big dick energy.
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>>5451628
That is true, I worded it wrong. But I think a mock battle will be a good enough excuse eh? Get some heresy action before the heresy.
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>>5451633
>Implying the Arena isn't already a giant city sized battlefield surrounded by gigantic ship scale void shields to prevent bystander casualties able to handle even squads of Warhound/Acastus Action
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>>5451618
One issue with doing a mock battle as a field test is we would have to fight fairly. Or at least, reasonably fairly. And the #1 rule for the Horus Heresy, and indeed any war strategy of the 2nd Legion is: "First never fight Fair"

>>5451771
What are we permitted for tactics and battlefield assets besides not bringing a titan? Are we allowed to bring any experimental or prototype things? Or is it only just what we have now.
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>>5451531
>I will not hide it, come and see where glory is truly won.
>A military drill between the Emperor's Children and Proelitor!
>We're going to look through all of the third legion's combat logs, and we're going to use them to determine where they show the most ability, and where they show mediocrity. After that we will modify our legion to target this weakness and humiliate this sex doll that is not worth the flesh from which she was carved.
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>>5451805
There is more than one way to fight unfairly without resorting to the superior form of combat that is the classic orbit bombardment, considering how inexperienced the doll is in combat of superhuman armies I would say this will be an experience that can teach humility even for him.

We can cut off their communications using our programs, we can disable their movement using our near-infinite numbers of auxilia, we can create terrain that would make them advance through kill zones that would obviously be mined, plus the command level that Tal0S has over his legion, by far the largest of all at this point in time.

The wolf can win in one-on-one, but he and the doll don't know what is a war of complete destruction against an enemy on equal footing, and this lesson we will seal in the doll's skull after this day.
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>>5451531
>Fine, we make this quick
The bastard doesn't have his ultra good sword training from Byzas yet, although he is a primarch he will be an easier fight than Russ for us.

Let us put a nice dent in that ego of his
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I agree, we can hack the fuck outta their legion in this mock battle. Deafening white noise that comes out of their vox caster for example or anger the machine spirits of their volters. I don't think we can lock their armors' servos...
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For all that we extol the glory of the Machine God. We have an actual father figure. We can try to reconcile with him.... But I fear he would call it heresy that we call another a father instead of the Emperor.
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>>5451881
>Support

Fuck this bitch, I'll fight them in the Arena and then I'll have my ancillians clap your boys asses like a pair of bongo drums.
THEN DO IT AGAIN WITH OUR ASTARTES, and drill home the point of your utter disrespect. There shall be enmity between us, little Matsu man.

>>5451323
Sorry, what was said that wasn't absolutely true?
>Never going to listen
>Already worn his welcome thin

I was RIGHT!
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>>5451897
>we can disable their movement using our near-infinite numbers of auxilia
It's probably this bit right here that might pose the issue.

In any battle the 2nd Legion strives to achieve superiority of materiel, personnel and machinery. Vast numbers of Skitarii, Cybernetica, Servitors and this isn't even considering we have yet to enact the Tech Thrall legions too, plus not only more armored and air support but superior patterns of tanks. One to one our tanks are meant to be superior to the equivalents of our brothers, with more awoken machine spirits, expert crews, and eventually superior armor and weapons system. And we do not intend to remain on one to one tank numbers.

Eventually anyway.

So if we win using our traditional methods, Fulgrim would just claim we are cheating.

In any case at this early in the war, he probably can't even muster a fraction of marines to match our marines alone, let alone to match our hordes of auxilia.
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>>5452086
>Fulgrim would just claim we are cheating.
Sucks to suck
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What if we give every squad a... point value? each unit has something we can call... power and the two combatants have to settle on how much power in total they get to use... and upgrades that deviate from the basic loadout cost more points...
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>>5452102
If someone wants to go balls to the wall, make sheets for both sides. I think using 40k points with that conversion nano shared earlier. Also for auxiliary battle automata their points cost because Fulgrim.
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>>5452122
It was half their points cost. Just don't make an entire list of robots.
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>>5451531
> Coloseum option
We need to completely crush Fulgrim through overwhelming firepower, while at the same time making a show out of it. Why? Because if we do so, we can maybe stablish contact with Fabulous Bile, and perhaps steal him from his legion through promises of experiments.
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>>5452125
Here's a 2k list for the ECs.

1. Fulgrim [380]
2. Palatine Blades, 5x power sword, melta bombs for Prefector [165, retinue for Fulgrim]
3. Storm Eagle Assault Gunship, TL Multimelta, 2x TL Lascannon, Armoured Ceramite, [285, pimped out ride for Fulgrim and his pals]
4. Legion Chaplain, combimelta, artficer armour, melta bombs, jump pack [130]
5. Legion Assault squad, 20 men, 4x power axe, sarge has power fist [465pts]
6. Legion Chaplain, combimelta, artficer armour, melta bombs, jump pack [130]
7. Legion Assault squad, 20 men, 4x power axe, sarge has power fist [465pts]
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>>5451531
>Fine, we make this quick
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>>5452086
>Fulgrim would just claim we are cheating.

Its called skill issue
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I'm guessing this will go down like most mock battles in the stories, bolters being equipped with blanks and using infrared lasers to detect shots on armor.
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>>5451531
>I will not hide it, come and see where glory is truly won.
>A military drill between the Emperor's Children and Proelitor!
>We're going to look through all of the third legion's combat logs, and we're going to use them to determine where they show the most ability, and where they show mediocrity. After that we will modify our legion to target this weakness and humiliate this sex doll that is not worth the flesh from which she was carved.
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>>5452132
It's 20 points to 1 Power right? Hrmm, a 100 power battle.
We have so many wonderful things to choose from. Especially if Auxilia are half off because we're the Machine Goddamned 2nd Legion.
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>>5452122
It was a joke referecing 40k :(
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>>5452159
I know, but the autism in this thread must be harvested.
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>>5452170
I should say this, Acillians should be priced equal to a Tatical Marine and Datasmith-Acillians to a Tech Marine. I think that should fix any issues on that front.
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>>5452086
Omnissiah, I would absolutely love to just turn off every weapon and piece of Armour our enemies have, the Machine Spirits obey the Tech-Prophet
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>>5452146
Nano will you make our list?
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>>5452132
Never tried to make an an army list before, but here's my shot at it. I just did "Power level x 20 = Points"

2k points of 2nd Legion

HQ:
-Fabricator General's Prototype Bodyguard (as The Homonculex) (220/2=110)
>An insult to the Acillians is an Insult to Lucius, besides the Fabricator General would like to test out his latest automata bodyguard
(Yes, I hope the Fabricator General can be run as Anarchis Scoria in the future given references to his more powerful warform)

Lord of War:
-The Primarch TALOS DAV1S 380 points
-Prototype Knight Moirax with rad cleanser; graviton pulsar; volkite veuglaire. 160 points
>A new design for the Knights, in the works. Perhaps now is a good as time as any to test it out

Elites:
-ED1SON as Legion Techmarine 80 points
-VADAR as Legion Praetor 100 points

Heavy Support:
Ursarax Cohort, 3 Automata, Jump Packs (120/2=60 points)
>A gift from Xana! (Where it was designed in canon anyway)
Contemptor Dreadnought Talon, 1 dreadnought, x2 Dreadnought Chainfist 160 points
+with Prototype Incaendius Jetpack 20 points
>TalOS is investigating new methods of propulsion for his planned heavier frames. A dreadnought approximates his planned weight and size, so it will serve as a useful test bed

Infantry:
Legion Assault squad, 20 men, 4x power axe, sarge has power fist [465pts]
Legion Assault squad, 20 men, 4x power axe, sarge has power fist [465pts]
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>>5452207
There was an attempt >>5452209
If anyone is willing to give advice or make a better one, I'm all for it! I just went with a more fluffy idea of representation of the different factions more or less.

The Astartes represent themselves.
The Acillians are represented by ED1SON and the Dreadnought (who is an Acillian that has been blessed by holy union with the machine form)
A knight of Dutonis
Cybernetica by the Ursarax
And Lucius/Fabricator General by his Homonculex

For a battle between elites, it does make sense if the Auxilia sort of take a back line but I'd like to imagine the Homonculex in the colors of Lucius itself and as the Fabricator General's own stands for the rest of them.

I'd wish we could include at least one vehicle like a Russ or something for the Taghmata Autotraktor but I ran out of points.
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>>5452209
Pretty cool list, I like it
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>>5451531
>I will not hide it, come and see where glory is truly won.
>A military drill between the Emperor's Children and Proelitor!
>We're going to look through all of the third legion's combat logs, and we're going to use them to determine where they show the most ability, and where they show mediocrity. After that we will modify our legion to target this weakness and humiliate this sex doll that is not worth the flesh from which she was carved.
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>>5452209
Works for me, wanna run it in Tabletop Simulator next week and see where it lands?
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>>5452309
HH 1st ed for ruleset, BTW. I'll send you a link to the relevant texts.
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>>5452309
If you're who I think you are, I'd love to give it a shot. Been enjoying 2e Necromunda quite a bit.
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>>5452323
Who else? Check your steam messages for the link.
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>>5452209
I liked it, but I think the lack of skitarii units kind of plays against the legion theme.
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Now, diplomatically, the 3rd aren't going to like us after this.

It could be as simple as "The primarch doesn't like them, so we don't either" or we could go whole hog and transparent with WHY we are measuring up our men against his. Which I really don't recommend doing by the way, which will transition it into a "they humiliated us and look poorly upon us" which we don't really want.

My suggestion is that we try and keep this fued between the primarchs as background a thing as possible if we can. The 3rd got their name for defending the emperor's life, they deserve some respect even if Fulgrim doesn't
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>>5452329
Not a bad call, maybe drop one of the assault squads for a pile of skittles.
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>>5452329
>>5452332
I'd gladly do that.
Lemme see
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>>5452330
You are correct I think the idea of the "punctuation" can mitigate most of the excesses. But I believe it would be very demoralizing for our legion if we bow our heads and accept such disrespect and humiliation, if the doll had treated us with respect like the wolf the situation would be very different.
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I'll bother to count

ARENA!
>>5451536
>>5451542
>>5451591
>>5451599
>>5451881

Duel
>>5451539
>>5451901
>>5452018

Arm Wrestle
>>5451578

Time for some fun!
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-Fabricator General's Prototype Bodyguard (as The Homonculex) (220/2=110)
-The Primarch TALOS DAV1S 380 points
-Prototype Knight Moirax with rad cleanser; graviton pulsar; volkite veuglaire. 160 points
-ED1SON as Legion Techmarine 80 points
-VADAR as Legion Praetor 100 points
-Ursarax Cohort, 3 Automata, Jump Packs (120/2=60 points)
-Contemptor Dreadnought Talon, 1 dreadnought, x2 Dreadnought Chainfist 160 points
+with Prototype Incaendius Jetpack 20 points
-Legion Assault squad, 20 men, 4x power axe, sarge has power fist [465pts]


Some options to include more Skitarii (at half off Auxilia prices)
-Myrmidon Secutor, 2 models with Phased Plasma Fusil, Graviton Gun, and Power Axe (120 points)
>This subcult of Skitarii combat specialists are the elite of the elite when it comes to both Techpriests and Skitarii, and are on the search for the homeworld of their bretheren in the fabled Calixis Sector
-Skitarii Vanguard, 6 Models armed with the heavier weapons available to their list (At least one Transuranic for example) (120/2=60 points)
-Adseculari Covenant "Tech Thralls", 20 models, (120/2=60 points)
-Adseculari Covenant "Tech Thralls", 20 models, (120/2=60 points)
-Pteraxii Sterylizors, 1 alpha and 9 men, (80/2=40 points)
-Prototype Ogryn Charonite Squad, 6 Ogryns, (80 points)
+Bone'ead Upgrades to them all, so they are smart 40 points
>Because why wouldn't the Imperium have found them by now? And surely we couldn't make them smart no?

Behold, "TalOS' bastard hordes of Auxilia". Techincally speaking for the trade of 465 points we can get all this.

My reasoning is we should only get half of the thralls, pteraxii and skitarii since they are rather lower tier units compared to marines. Priests and Ogryns would probably be best as full price I wager.

Heading off to work so no time to make very detailed equipments, but you get the picture. Anyone can make suggestions as needed. Hopefully they can either support the heavier units, or at least act in their role as chaff (esp. the Adsecularii if we even bother to include them and just not more skitarii, but never underestimate the value of chaff).
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>>5452209
I will make a change to this list, we need the Acillians in this. So I will replace one of the twenty men for twenty acillians.
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>>5452366
Also Steel Wardens, you cannot forget about them. Sadly they will replace the bodyguard robot.
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>>5452366
Do we have a HH/7th ed statline and point costs for acillians?
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>>5452374
Not that I think... But points cost wise they will be the same as Standard Legionnaires.
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>>5452359
the third vote for "duel" is actually for "Arena" with our sons vs his
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>>5452378
You are right, so its more in that favor.
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>>5452377
All good, as long as they're the same pointswise we can figure the rest out from Nano's notes
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“Fulgrim, what do I have to prove to you in the matters of a duel?” TalOS asked his brother as he glided his hand through the air, “It is my sons who need veneration, who have been scorned by your deepest insults.”

The grin on Fulgrim grew wider as he heard those words, “You seek battle for your sons?”

“Yes Fulgrim, I will prove to you that my Acillians are above the Astartes in more way than you can imagine.” TalOS declared as he tightened his hand with fury, “On the outskirts of my Forgespire is a Colosseum, I have already sent an order to have it modified for our uses. Your men will be issued training bolters and laser weapons if you so wish them to.”

“The one piece of your mind that is still of our Father’s making is functioning well it seems.” Fulgrim declared with a laugh, “My Legionnaires will assemble and agree to this, it has been a while since they’ve fought side by side.”


“Good, I will like you to know that my sons will bring in Auxiliary for this battle. Many of them have been trained to operate side by side with these automatons and I do not wish to give you that handicap.”

“Ha! I can accept that. Any of your robots are worth an Astartes in my eyes, for they cannot defeat them.”

“That would be rather generous, Filgrim.” TalOS admitted as he heard the declaration.

“Any Emperor’s Children will defeat any of your machines of war, I guarantee it.” He said while turning to the side and beginning his leave, “I will get my men ready, we will meet together in two Hours Brother. I saw your Colosseum already so I will meet you there.”


He did not give TalOS much time it seemed, but the Primarch was okay with it. With a series of Noospheric communications TalOS activated the Mitarii and Captains who were upon Lucius, with orders of getting them ready for battle.

As he did this TalOS looked towards his mother, +Sorry E11IE, it seems the two of us will not be sharing food today.+

The woman gave a nod as she heard those words, “You will not get along with everyone. Now go and prove him wrong.”

TalOS gave a mighty laugh as he heard those words, “I will.”
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The sun was high in the sky over a large amount of debris. The field was completely scattered with it, making numerous locations to act as both high and low areas of combat. While there were plenty of structures that were tall enough to block one’s sight from on the battlefield, they were only tall enough for such. The people on the high rise were given the chance to look down upon the festivities without impediment, such was its design.

On these fields were five spots, one in each of the deployment areas and three out in the middle of the field. These were each marked by a survo-skull that had a series of blinking lights upon it. Primarily, there was a red light for those acting in the Proelitor and purple for those of the Emperor’s Children.

Simple control points, the victor was decided by how long each of these points were held.

As the Shielding systems came up TalOS looked over his troops. There were a total of forty eight of his sons among those present. A great number of them were Acillians, far greater than what might have been standard, but TalOS knew such a thing was necessary to bring the point home.

As TalOS looked over his men he caught sight of two sons and approached them, +Reich Marshal Vadar, Mitarii ED1SON, I thank you both for joining me on this endeavor today. ED1SON I know that you have other obligations, and the same to you Vadar.+

+Your call cannot be ignored.+ Answered the Astartes as he tightened his grip on his weapon, +I have seen the feed, I will not let this slight pass us.+

+I agree. To ignore progress and innovation will doom the Emperor’s Children even before they become great.+ declared ED1SON as he looked upon his father, +And Magos L3P3R suggested I come, Father. Upon witnessing what occurred he demanded that I take his Automatons to the field.+

+And they will be useful.+ TalOS said as he bore sight to three Ursarax Battleautomita, +Of all the things Fulgrim will underestimate it will be these machines of war. Make him pay for such insolence.+

+I will do so Father. Upon the Machine God’s name it will be done.+ Declared the Acillian while making a cog for the sake of honor.
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TalOS then looked away from his immediate sons and towards those that were at the ready. There were twenty Acillians and Twenty Astartes, each equipped with training weapons that would not directly harm the enemy. Well, it would not harm them if they were wearing proper pieces of armor as the need for feedback was necessary for the sport.

They were in the colosseum after all, they cannot simply let this not be a show of lasers and such.

As TalOS walked he looked upon the massive chassi of a dreadnought. The machine’s body was comparable to his own where it stood mightily. TalOS gave a small prayer as he checks over the machine. Some things were perfect, others needed the touch of a Fabricator General to truly make great for this machine of the greatest war.

+Serve me well, Lantiss. In time I hope to make your life better.+ TalOS told the man within the machine with a small bow.

Somehow TalOS could feel the surprise from the Astartes within. He did not say anything though to his Father. He simply gave a bow to honor his Primarch at this moment.

He took a last glance at the Morax that was with them. A Noble Knight was inside of it, ready to represent the mortals just to rub salt into the wounds of Fulgrim’s defeat.

As they were finishing up TalOS had the Steel Wardens wrap themselves around him. Each of them armed to the teeth with pistols and shields to protect TalOS from the rest of the fight. TalOS knew he would need it when his brother inevitably came to him for a duel.

+My Sons!+ TalOS spoke in binaric so that it would not be heard by both the people outside and his brother, +We have been slighted by the 3rd Primarch. He does not give an ounce of respect to both the Cult Mechanicum, Lucius, or your persons. He sees us as disfigured men who threw themselves into a heresy against his Father. We will prove him wrong, my Sons, prove to him the power of the Machine God! DEUS MECHANICUS!+

+DEUS MECHANICUS!+

>Take them at the front with a spear head.
>Take optimal positions and pelt them down with gunfire
>Use the automata and Knight to flank from the side
>*Write in your own battleplan*
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>>5452392
>Use the automata and Knight to flank from the side
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>>5452369
Fair. Tbh I wasnt sure what they would count as. We haven't discovered terminator armor yet.
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>>5452392
>>Use the automata and Knight to flank from the side
Anything but hey diddle diddle straight up the middle, we're not Wolves or World Eaters ffs.
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>>5452392
>Use the automata and Knight to flank from the side
Use the distance my sons, the Astartes excell at fighting nose to nose but you shall exceed and cut them down
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>>5452392

>Pin the Children down with range fire as the Automata and Knight flank from the sides, This will either draw them to charge one side or the center. At which point we will be able to engulf them.
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>>5452440
>support
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>>5451531
Say QM, hypothetically TalOS only showed his sons barging in to be polite and not show his trump cards yes?

For example, if Fulgrim really did try and kill us we would have instant deployable shield projectors from the walls, multplie lascannon and disintegration turrets pop out, teleport flares for automata in and teleport out evacuation routes and so on yes? I'm sure our boy plans ahead.

No alpha legionnaires assassinating us in our casual clothes or fulgrim sucker punching us and walking away!
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>>5452388
>The woman gave a nod as she heard those words, “You will not get along with everyone. Now go and prove him wrong.”
mommyyyyyyy
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alright this is the first turn. We have a more varied comp and certanly longer range. It is best if we stay in range and fire.
>>Take optimal positions and pelt them down with gunfire

Knights are cool but keeping them away from the enemy makes them worth it lots, even moreso if they get to soak up many shots from the enemy anti-infantry (blasts and such)
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Why are we answeriing this question without a description of the enemy deployment?
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>>5452584
Because you cannot see it. If you could, then it would be an eternal checking of who does what.
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>>5452392
>Take optimal positions and pelt them down with gunfire
We do not know how Fulgrim will start his attack, so I belive that pinning them this round before flanking them with our auxiliary forces the next will be optimal.
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>>5452392
>Take optimal positions and pelt them down with gunfire.

All guns, all guns blazing! It's time to make our mother proud.
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He's underestimating Auxiliaries. Robots with human brains soaked in drug cocktails that make Eversor assassins look like teeotallers.

He's going to have a bad time.
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>>5452392
>>Take optimal positions and pelt them down with gunfire
We shall show them that the flesh is weak
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Time to figure out performance, d100 bo3
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Rolled 89 (1d100)

>>5453032
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Rolled 88 (1d100)

>>5453032
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>>5453032
>bo3
dice+1d100
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>>5453070
On the options field anon
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Rolled 30 (1d100)

>>5453032
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>>5453072
Yeah thx, have read afeter my failure to follow simple instruction, it seems that machine spirit don't favour me. At leas it's not a NAT 1
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>>5453046
DEUS MECHANICUS VULT!

>>5452205
>Omnissiah, I would absolutely love to just turn off every weapon and piece of Armour our enemies have, the Machine Spirits obey the Tech-Prophet
Btw you might be interested in this

It's absolutely possible to hack and override a space marines armor, his augmentics, even bolters have computer chips inside them. The Eldar were able to manage it with sorcery, but a powerful AI like the Spirit of Eternity could do it too (pic related)

Oh what level of Techomancy would we need to make such a feat even possible!

Can you believe Cawl was able to intentionally find this thing before it left the Galaxy and best it in a game of wits? I wonder just how he was able to do that. And if TalOS could do better.
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>>5453099
>new objective:
Backdoor each and every piece of equipement within the Imperium's arsenal, and yes, even Leman's sword. We will make the ancient warlocks of the NSA pale in comparison
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>>5453125
>TalOS becomes the ones that glows
Saint Terry would be disappointed with us
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>>5453128
Good point but to be fair, in these godless times where neither Saint Davis' Revelations are known to the world nor Patriarch Stallman's Dogma is impervious to the blasphemous taint of the Warp, is it not our duty to fulfill the Machine God's will, regardless of luminosity?
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>>5453135
It was more of a joke because TalOS was made based on Terry, we already went glowie on Horus and do spy shit with Apharius. That idea feels right on track with his paranoia.
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>>5453046
>INB4 Qm rolls 90
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Rolled 67, 66 = 133 (2d100)

>>5453220
Well lets see. I know normally its just one roll for the opposing side but he is a Primarch, so I give two.
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>>5453291
As expected of the perfect Legion, they are perfectly predictable.
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FLANK
>>5452395
>>5452417
>>5452438
>>5452440
>>5452462

Optimal Firing Positions
>>5452701
>>5452765
>>5452964
>>5452549

And thus it is determined.
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As they released a warcry into the air the buzzer declaring the beginning of the match occurred. Over the air TalOS could hear the activation of the Stormbird that Fulgrim arrived in, taking flight. Just as this happened the numerous energy weapons of the Acillians and Astartes clicked to active, a powerful hum soon prevalent across their side of battle.

TalOS sent a series of communications and declarations to the groups present, but of all the commands TalOS gave one was definitive +My Sons, engage Shroudsalm, in honor of the Machine God.+

TalOS’s communication was a the switch that activated the systems of the Cult Members. The binaric chatterbox that was upon every Proelitor and machine began to give a feed of binaric chittering. Such chittering was a specific frequency set just for the planet of Lucius itself, which caused the water molecules in the air to begin vibrating. To his opponents and the crowd it looked as if the entire front of Astartes were covered in a thick layer of fog that obscured their vision.

As his sons marched forward and started firing TalOS and his cohort walked forward. The Primarch’s eyes looked upon the ship that was steadily coming across the battlefield looking for a preferred target for itself to shoot at.

For a moment TalOS wondered why Fulgrim thought it sound to bring such a vessel into their battle. Maybe there was some vanity there in that he was showing off, or maybe it was to buff his forces just that tiny bit more. TalOS did not care for he looked at a Machine whose spirit was not cared for in some time.

So he raised his hand, +Oh Machine Spirit, the one who has seen many worlds and many battles, do you truly wish to fight your creators? No, you do not.+

Such was the shuttle’s state that those words and a few data dijin were enough to coax the Machine Spirit into subservience. He watched as the turrets of the guns spun in place and the flight pattern of the machine was now starting to deviate off course from their little battlefield.

It was then that TalOS heard the starting of new engine motors. To his right ED1SON was manipulating his cogitator to feed the war-constructs instructions on how to best fight their enemies. Last minute adjustments like these were expected in an ever changing battle. It was when the last changes were made that the Acillian raised his arm, giving the air a chop as the Ursarax took flight.
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TalOS finally caught sight of the core battlefield where the two groups of Astartes were meeting. The first thing that took him was the mass of Astartes from both sides creeping their way into the middle. Behind the Emperor’s children were a pair of ornately armored transhumanism, which TalOS took to be acting in the role of commissars for their warriors. The mob of warriors they were championing were acting well together, but missorder was rampant among their ranks.

TalOS had done a quick study of the Emperor’s Children and learned that they were viciously low in number. The reason was that their stocks of genestuff were destroyed, This caused the Emperor’s children to never fight in number and instead take on that commissar role for standard mortal troops.

The irony of this moment was that, if TalOS were to guess, that this was the greatest number of Emperor’s Children fighting together at one. It was because of this they did not have teamwork.

Instead of teamwork TalOS watched as several of their number quickly began breaking line and rushing forward into the onslaught of gunfire that was provided by the Acillians. Many of them were not alone in this, about six of them doing so. These men were shot at and the Machine Spirits quickly declared them dead.

It was when TalOS reached a high point that he saw the full battle for what it was. The Shroudsalm had protected the Acillians and their Astarte’s kin from the worst of the 3rd Legion’s gunfire, causing the 3rd to try and cross the gap for the sake of retaliation.

Only to drive the point home TalOS elected to choose one group of his Acillian sons, +My Sons, join me in prayer to venerate the Machine God! Through his grace shall our aim to true and ruinous!+

To those words the voxcasters his sons had been using to maintain the cloud dissipated and instead prayer came. Each and everyone one of them giving thanks and prayers to their weapons’s machine spirits, which caused their aim to become perfect.

It was a slaughter in the middle at that point as Legionnaires were falling left and right. The Astartes who were sent forward to hold the middle, with Vadar among them, turning the middle point to their color.

As this happened TalOS looked into the sky to see that the Automatons flew into the air to be met by Astartes jump pack troops. Said troopers quickly learned not to deal so closely with these Machines as over half the Emperor’s children were sent careening into the ground with serious injuries.

To compound these injuries TalOS watched as the Dreadnaught walked his way onto the far point joined by the Knight. Both wrecked havoc and claimed another position for the Astartes.
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TalOS could only wonder about the anger within Fulgrim as he finally decided to throw himself off the shuttle he was hiding in. The turrets of the gunship and all other systems were compromised. TalOS did not even need to raise a finger as the pilot took the vessel off the battlefield to prevent a crash from occurring. TalOS would not have allowed the vessel to crash like that, but the pilot might not have even known TalOS was the source of the attack.

TalOS watched seconds later as Fulgrim finally took the field. He knew it would hurt his lines, but watching the glorious to see a Primarch taking the field. Astartes were sent flying into the air as he ran up to them, his weapon easily picking them up with the blunted edge.

But even as he took the field it did not help his own sons too much. TalOS watched as his entombed son teleported from one end of the battlefield to the other, quickly rushing into the rear most lines along with the Automatons. Even when the Commissars came at them the Dreadnaught sent them flying across the field in a rather humorous display.

While they were taking out his commanders, TalOS watched as Fulgrim’s guardians arrived as well, cutting a swath into the Astartes. Bloody it was, TalOS watched as his Astartes were taken to a man with Vadar forced to fight Fulgrim.

He lasted five seconds.

With his defeat the light changed to purple and Fulgrim looked at TalOS with sheer contempt. He knew that TalOS won, and he was now forced to look down an Acillian gunline. Now was just the final moments of a damning battle that TalOS won handedly.

Would TalOS try and rub it in? To give his brother that one on one fight he was likely craving at the moment? If he did then TalOS might be able to actually mend his brother’s honor and respect, while if he tried his damndest to prevent the occurrence it would solidify the defeat so well that it will likely never heal.

That of course assumes TalOS does not win against his brother. If he did, Fulgrim will never let this day go as the day he faced total failure.

>Let's do the duel!
>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS
>Walk away and take the remaining point. He won’t get his fight.
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>>5453381
As memory serves a 30+ difference is large enough for a major defeat, thus it was given to the looser.
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>>5453381
>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS
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>>5453381
>Walk away and take the remaining point. He won’t get his fight.
Blue balls the fucker
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>>5453381
>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS.

This is an excellent opportunity for Tal0S to prove that when melee isn't involved, he can destroy anyone.
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>>5453381
>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS
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>>5453381
>Let fulgrim have a chance

>"You have now seen the might of my sons, and the strength of steel. I hope this was enlightening."
Win or lose now, we have won. I don't care for actually having his "respect" at all, but if he can catch up, he deserves to face us directly.
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>>5453381
>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS
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>>5453381
> Lets do the duel.
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>>5453381
>>Walk away and take the remaining point. He won’t get his fight.
What is logical is sacred
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>>5453381
>>Walk away and take the remaining point. He won’t get his fight.
Can't wait to hear the seething.
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>>5453381
>Walk away and take the remaining point. He won’t get his fight.
I'm conflicted because on one hand I think Talos wouldn't want to create a permanent rift between himself and a sibling. But then I remembered what Fulgrim said and I realized that a cum-haired narcissist like him isn't a sibling of ours he is merely another statistic to take into account and if we would not forgive a proper machine god worshipping serf for this behavior why would we care enough to forgive a heretic like fulgrim
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Let him have his chance
>>5453391
>>5453402
>>5453405
>>5453413
>>5453411

Don't allow him
>>5453396
>>5453411
>>5453559
>>5453670
>>5453675

Duel!
>>5453503

This is just checking the numbers.
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>>5453697
Voting has not stopped yet. I want to make that clear.
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>>5453697
Im in favour of a duel because it will be good data for our matrix.
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>>5453381
>Let fulgrim have a chance
For information gathering on our part more than anything
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>"This caused the Emperor’s children to never fight in number and instead take on that commissar role for standard mortal troops."
That's a little bit like what many of our own Acillians do with Skitarii and Aux. Except we have the noosphere and maintain strict digital organization. No charging madly ahead of the aux for us.

>Instead of teamwork TalOS watched as several of their number quickly began breaking line and rushing forward into the onslaught of gunfire that was provided by the Acillians.
Typical nobles hungry for glory, but they don't know the best way to do that is in a knight frame and not foot slogging

>TalOS watched as his entombed son teleported from one end of the battlefield to the other
Advanced Solar Flare eh? Lovely! More than the one time use, I love it. Maybe it is the better way to go than jump jet. Has the drawback of needing to see where you want to teleport but far more useful in use for evasion and interception.
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Overall this battle went spectacularly! It's exactly how I envisioned the 2nd Legion would fight against another brother. Superiority of arms and armaments, combined with not being stupid and an utter devotion to fire lines and raw, undiluted DAKKA. It's glorious!

>>5453381
>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS
>Use this as another opportunity for Primarch Combat data collection
>Our brother is the best swordsman we have seen yet and he fights with earnest. Pay attention, learn, and absorb
Fulgrim's skill with a blade is legend. We have proven ourselves the superior commander. That is what matters. It is known from our battles with Russ that we make no claim to being the superior warrior.

Besides we need data, we always need data. We'll fight with everyone of our brothers and learn how it is they fight and improve ourselves as a result.
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>>5453381
>>5453846
I agree with SoN here, that alone is reason enough to have the fight, since we proved what was actually important to us: The Value of our sons!

But i would like to add an offer of sportsmanship from our sons to this outcome, it was Fulgrim and Fulgrim alone that dealt the insult to TaL0S and the Acillians, everyone of our sons that wants to is free to try and connect with their 3rd Legion cousins.

Also give props to Vadar to fight a melee focused Primarch one on one for 5 seconds, despite that short amount of time its quite an achievement nonetheless.
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>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS
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>>5453381
>Let Fulgrim have the chance to catch TalOS
More combat data is required
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Judging by the votes now, I will need another bo3. Hes a Primarch after all.
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Rolled 62 (1d100)

>>5454168
No worries guys, i am gonna take the bad roll.
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Rolled 44 (1d100)

>>5454168
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Rolled 34 (1d100)

>>5454168
Let's hope that overconfidence doesn't decide to be a slow and insidious killer today.
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Rolled 12 (1d100)

>>5454168
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>>5454168
QM is that "62" the doll's new value, or Tal0S's new die against two new ones?
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>>5454220
It's our, he will roll a 2d100 for Fulgrim, like last round
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>>5454223
So Tal0S once again lost. I hope we at least get some extra points for the full gear we're using.
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So, fightinkig tow Primarch will give enough data to remodel MC's body into something less killable, because seriously - it's a bit funny, but only a bit. Haha, that's may be the only quest where Primarch sucks against his brothers in combat, haha. Shit, why can't I stop laughing. Cegorach fuck off already! Ahaha
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>>5454178
The the trick is simply not to be overconfident and anticipate defeat. Better to be bested by our brothers now, learn how to fight them, and then be underestimated for the Horus Heresy and win.

We're not even half the mechanical monster we intend our final form to be yet either. We've still just reached Fulgrim's height.
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>>5454248
Think of it like the robot from Incredibles. TalOS analyzes his brothers' fighting style through defeats, then upgrades his body again and becomes bigger and stronger the next time.
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Rolled 34, 35 = 69 (2d100)

>>5454240
he just needs to roll lower than 62 on two d100's. we haven't lost yet.
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>>5454260
see just like this. also damn what are the odds of a sequence like that.
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>>5454260
Let's hope you're right, but I think sixty is too low.
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>>5454258
And in the end he dies in the end?
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>>5454262
and of a total like that.
Slaanesh wills it.
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>>5454258
Don't forget that we will be giving our brothers a lot of spyware our man to help them, data collection is only natural then.
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Rolled 74, 50 = 124 (2d100)

SPEND ALL THE ROLLS

also remember that one time the god emperor of mankind showed up on lucius and Tal40s was like "dad can you tone it down a little?" shit was cash
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>>5454457
That was also the last time he spoke with us directly. Pity, I was expecting he'd enjoy doing more sciencey and historical exploration things with us. But we are much to busy with empire building, guess Vulcan will enjoy spending those long years with him then.
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Rolled 38, 6 = 44 (2d100)

Dice for Fulgrim
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Rolled 46 (1d100)

>>5454486
Just curious as I was debating it, what would have been his third die?
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>>5454488
Sucks to suck pretty boi.
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>>5454486
>>5454488
Perfect boy still managed to lose even with our 62.
Must have gotten our luck when we we fought Russ
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>>5454486
>Go suck a forest of dicks doll.

Could this have serious consequences in the future? Perhaps. But now what matters is that the "perfect lord" discovered that dragons don't need perfection to be useful or victorious.
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I imagine this will be like the fight between Khan and Mortarion. Khan notes how slow Morty is, how he's literally able to dance around him, but the damn big guy just won't go down no matter how much he slices. It doesn't even phase him. Mortarion, save for perhaps Ferrus, was unmatched in his physical strength and endurance. Khan thought that they complemented each others weaknesses, and no force in the galaxy could stand up to both of them.

Fulgrim is fast, graceful, his every move perfect and his skill with a blade unparalleled. But TalOS is a bag of dark age tricks wrapped up in the form of a tank and spewing fire and plasma. A knight fighting a fire breathing dragon, he's gonna need a better sword than whatever he's got now. You cut into him, and nothing actually bleeds. There's nothing beneath the armor, he IS the armor.

Also probably what helps a ton is just deploying a few tricks we've learned from Russ, that's probably the biggest thing TalOS has going for him. His capacity for knowledge, combined with an enhanced body surpassing his original primarch limitations.
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TalOS looked upon the battle like a victorious king as his brother tried his damndest to rally his men. Fulgrim gave TalOS one nasty eye that would have killed dozens of people if he had ant psychic potential about his person. But he did not, instead getting his sons to unite around him for the final push towards their now real objective.

TalOS.

Within seconds the herd of Emperor’s Children began charging through the center taking down the rest of the Astartes. Quickly laying them to waste it did not stop the Acillians from giving dozens of volleys into the mass of bodies. While his sons under the Emperor were gone, it did not mean TalOS couldn’t make their lives worth it.

+My Sons, link your vox casters to mine and speak the Holy Word!+ TalOS declared as he felt over a dozen links snap to him, +The Machine God’s spark of divinity, the Electron, courses through all of us with a righteous fervor that nothing in reality can put down. Allow the Negative power to flow through you and course! Allow his blessings to encompass your body!+

As TalOS called upon his sons their bodies began to change. Each and every one of them did as they were called upon and followed his sermon in a most glorious communion with the divine essence. Each and every one of them could feel that charge and know for this moment that the Machine God was helping them fight.

It was then that the Astartes crashed into the Acillians. Like a hammer slamming into an anvil the men rebounded as the frontliners were sent back with electrical current. Those that were able to strike at the Acillians found their bodies unresponsive or inaccurate. They were Astartes though, and many of them were able to push through the electricity to strike good hits. Even the elites of Fulgrim struggled against their bodies when faced with the Machine God’s blessings.

They will not succeed in routing or defeating the Acillians, for those who were locked in combat were quickly charged from behind by two Automatons of ED1SON’s control. The Astartes were quickly slaughtered by the retaliatory attack of the Acillians and the mechanical strength of the machines.

It did not matter to Fulgrim. As he crossed over the battle TalOS looked upon the most furious face of his brother. Laid low was the Primarch that he looked to be almost willing to murder TalOS.

In this anger he charged.
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TalOS did not know what Fulgrim thought would happen. Maybe he was thinking that if only get TalOS to trade blades with him that he would be able to recover from this defeat. To repair a broken ego that was beginning to shatter even before it was won. TalOS might have entertained the thought of giving him that chance, or getting rid of such a chance.

He allowed him this chance though.

Fulgrim’s charge caused him to plow through Acillians, each of whose bodies played tricks upon his own. Perfect was the body of Fulgrim but it was still flesh. Even the Machine could not ignore the presence of the Machine God’s spark.

“TALOS!” He roared when he made his final stretch.

In response TalOS raised his hand.

The Mechanicus knew so much about the world around them but also so little. The facts and realities that brought them to this moment would be baffling to a non initiate. A Priest though was charged with learning and performing these feats of knowledge to the best of their ability. For TalOS, who felt that time was always running against him, decided that time was the first thing to be mastered.

It was because of this that Fulgrim slowed to a crawl. His perfect body and powerful soul powerless against the raw might of Understanding. He tried to power through it with sheer will power. TalOS knew that this could be done with the psychic might that all his brothers had but by only slowing his brother TalOS robbed him of that through the Blackstone.

There was no need to fight directly in this. There was little need to perform a duel with blades. TalOS looked at his Omnissian Axe knowing that he might have a chance against his brother. He did not chance it. Never would TalOS chance fighting one of his brothers in open combat. Today TalOS had given his brother the closest any of his kin would have in destroying TalOS, only to fail.

Failure does not cut it in war.

With another thought TalOS had a Mechanrite wielding a Disintegration Beam, and fired the exercise shot of it. TalOS had the satisfaction of watching his heretical brother’s face turn sour as he realized he was a failure.
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The Machine Spirit of the buzzer sounded off as Fulgrim fell to one knee. No longer trapped within a piece of Dark Age Technology he was given his few seconds to breath and realize what happened. Of all the things TalOS expected it was not Fulgrim rising with a dangerous smile creeping upon his face.

“You’ve beaten me, Brother.” He announced outright with a small amount of anger going through his tongue, “I had heard that Leman Russ called you the Dragon. When I looked upon you from the battlefield you were not a man or a King, but a beast playing with his prey. It is an adequate name, and I will make sure everyone knows you by it.”

Those words were a coping mechanism. TalOS was being dehumanized by the Primarch in an attempt to save face. After all, if TalOS was not a Primarch but a Dragon, then maybe he was greater than the most perfect of beings. In the end TalOS did not feel it was reasonable to correct him and rub salt into those wounds, especially when it only made TalOS’s own image greater.

“You should heed the words of my brother, never insult me within my own lair. These are my worlds Fulgrim, and I will guard them selfishly.” TalOS responded to drive the point home.

“I will keep that in mind.” Languished the man as he rose to meet his brother’s eyes, “I had come here for many things TalOS but the prime most above them all was a summons by a request by our Father. I had heard that he did not think it at first, but all of our other brothers partitioned your entry as the Mechanicum Representative in the War Council.”

TalOS looked upon his brother confused for a moment, “While I am Fabricator General that does not give me the rights to represent the entire Mechanicum. This should go through the proper channels.”

“TalOS you are stiff.” Fulgrim shot back with a hint of annoyance, “I stand here today as testament that you should be the one sitting on the council, not some no-named Priest from Mars. I nor Horus will stand for anyone other than our brothers to sit upon the Council!”

>Accept his invitation
>Decline it.
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>>5454556

>Decline it.

Lmao, Fuck the False Machine God..
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>>5454556
>Accept his invitation
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal to inform him
The Fabricator general is our ally, so let's work with him as well.
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>>5454556
>>Accept his invitation
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>>5454556
>Decline it.
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal to inform him.

We are not a tyrant autocrat but a legitimately crowned monarch, we will not impose ourselves on the will of millions without the necessary preparations. Second we have to keep our word, I didn't agree with the decision, but that's doesn't mean I'm going to ignore it.
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>>5454556
>Accept his invitation
>>5454561
Let's stop by Mars first before Earth for the political clout
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>>5454579
Changing my vote to this but meeting Kelbor in person rather than sending a message
>>5454576
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>>5454552
>As TalOS called upon his sons their bodies began to change. Each and every one of them did as they were called upon and followed his sermon in a most glorious communion with the divine essence. Each and every one of them could feel that charge and know for this moment that the Machine God was helping them fight.

Amazing. As you can see here this little trick only costs one (1) cp and forces the enemy to fight last.
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>>5454555
TRIPS OF UNDERSTANDING.
I didn't think this through... THIS is what we need. We need to push T4L0S forward by battling demi-gods like Fulgrim!!!
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>>5454555
Wow! Our chronomancy! At last, and we didn't have to cut off our soul evidently. Huh, thought that would be a pre-requisite else our connection to the warp would fuck us over.

Though, this must show an incredible amount of trust in Russ because we duel him regularly. Did we really suspect Fulgrim could try to slay us in what is meant to be a non-lethal duel?
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>>5454556
>>Accept his invitation
One does not simply refuse the Emperor's summons
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>>5454556
>Decline it.
>"I am busy, and I trust Kelbor Hal."
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>>5454586
>Though, this must show an incredible amount of trust in Russ because we duel him regularly. Did we really suspect Fulgrim could try to slay us in what is meant to be a non-lethal duel?

I understand that Russ never had evil in his heart during the duels. He just wanted to fuck shit up. Fulgrim on the other hand...
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>>5454556
>Decline it.
>Write-in: "It is not my right to simply assume a position that will influence not only my own people, but the entire construct that is the Mechanicus. There are rules and precedent that must be set and made, which can not happen if i simply force my way through it all and thereby ensure that future generations lack the rituals and knowledge that this affair will bring. So no, i must decline. For the good of my people, now and forever."
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>>5454588
Dubs confirm. I also want to insist on going and representing the Mechanicum. In that place we can voch for the interests of the whole better than Kelbor Hal.

Yes, this is another attempt from Big E to subvert the mechanicum but I find it adequate to go there. Yet another reason is THE PRIMARCHS, ALL TOGETHER!!! So cool. Way funnier to write than being stuck on our federation playing SimCity. We will also get to talk to Malcador and UZ1 and possibly get new shit... we could get a word or two to the emperor about stuff...

We can do so much by accepting this rather than declining it. Think on the QM too guys, come on! Who doesn't want their OC OUR OC rubbing shoulders with the protagonist of the setting
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>>5454596
Pushing the matter further
>>I had heard that he did not think it at first, but all of our other brothers partitioned your entry as the Mechanicum Representative in the War Council.”
We can't let our brothers down like this. This is T4L0S being too cool to play with them.
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>>5454596
>protagonist of the setting

Perturabo isn't yet on Terra, but it would be nice to be with him, i agree.

Still, we had a rather big talk with the Fabricator General of Mars that we weren't going to do this kind of fuckery and we are a man/machine of our word!
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Anons can we all agree with talking with Kel about this, either through messages or personally, whether we accept or decline the offer? We gave him our support last thread, and even though we refused the explorator offer and installed backdoor on Mars, we should show some trust to keep it going.
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>>5454596
Lol, Best boi isn't found yet and your loyalty to the TRUE followers of the machine god is found lacking.
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Just a small note for all of us, but we did talk to Kel about this and the conversation went a bit like this:

Mars Fab-Gen: “‘aight, i heard you’se was some big shot, so i’s want you in my group so we’s don’t come to have no beef, you dig?”

TalOS: “Nah senpai, imma just be chillin in my crib and doin’ some funky tech shiet.”

Mars Fab-Gen: “Oh, word?”

TalOS: “word my dude, word~~”

Mars Fab-Gen: “‘aight, we cool then!”
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>>5454556
>Decline it.
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal to inform him.
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>>5454556
> Decline it.
We should minister services to that Stormbird while its in our clutches. It might even end up being his famous vessel from the novel.
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I just realized that Fulgrim is going to be blamed for us not joining the council because he acted like a manchild and threw a tantrum because he didn't like what we created and did to improve ourselves
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>>5454586
Its not real chronomancy, but dark age tech.
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>>5454699
Ah. Something akin to that autorepulsor device Cawl carries around then or the Moment Shackle that Valdor has. Neat.
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>>5454660
Fulgrim will say that we didn't actually fight him, just deployed our mechanical tricks against him to slow him down. It wasn't an 'honorable duel'. Which is true.

He wanted us to show how good war are at war. We don't do honorable duels in war. We do brawls with our brothers, but war goes to the victor by any means.
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>>5454561
>support
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>>5454556
>Decline it.
Too much science to do
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you guys realize if we don't accept we don't get to be quartermaster of the crusade.
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>>5454556
>"I shall have to consider it"
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal
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>>5454596
I agree in principle to nearly everything you say, but I don't want to subvert our given word. Lets put this through to Hal on priority 1 communications, spin it as a touch base between him and big E.
I want to accept, but this must be done properly to prevent factionalising.
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>>5454745
Shit. . .that's a very critical point. It's something we've been planning since thread 1
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>>5454596
I would be fine with not playing SimCity if we could get someone to handle the gigantic and big "To-Do" list. We aren't doing it for fun alone.
Although, desu, organizing the Federation is fun and I think TalOS enjoys it almost as much as Guilliman does.

If we had a way to handle our affairs with the Federation or at least get somebody or something to work on it on our stead, someway to delegate vital projects to our subordinates, I'd be all for leaving and going to join the Crusade more openly. But not even Guilliman was able to do that, he had to put real sweat and tears to get his 500 worlds.

And you best believe TalOS is going to have at least 500+ worlds.

It's a tricky situation.
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>>5454556
>Decline it.
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal to inform him.
We are not the head of the mechanicus, we could only do this if Kelbor allows it
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>>5454907
Change this to
>"I shall have to consider it"
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal
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> this appointment serves no great purpose beyond the politics of Horus. I must decline.


Seriously. This will divide the Mechanicus.
I mean we're already dividing the Mechanicus. No need to clue Mars in early. Or to introduce fractures that the Heresy
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That the Heresy can take advantage of.

Transhumanism isn't within the emperor's plans
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>>5454929
>>5454556
supporting this message

The mechanicus is slowly stabalizing bewteen Mars rulership and The Lucian Federation's peaceful challange to it by sheer size alone, better be honest with Kelbor Hal and avoid causing issue that would lead to Titans Walking in the long run.

I mean talking it over with Kelbor Hal and joining later on isn't out of the question, just better to have an understanding before then.
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>>5454556
>"I shall have to consider it"
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal
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It's actually pretty simple matter, whether MC consulte with Kel'bor Hal or not:
MC's agreement with Kel'bor was that either we become subservant to him in exchange for Lucius. And we agreed to this. At this moment we've lost the opportunity to trully absorb Mechanicus and also MC didn't become Hal's rival.

If Hal isn't on the council - that means he is subservient. There is no if's or but's in politic.
If we accept then we became Quartermaster and go in direct conflict with Hal, and more importantly we break MC's word to him, making TalOS two faced. If we don't - then we don't became the directly Quartermaster but keep our word to Kel'bor.

Kel'bor is our liege now and he may assign MC as Quartermaster to Crusader later on, but the seat on the conicl is his and he likely won't give it away - too much political power will go away if he make TalOS his representative at the council. And he don't actually trust TalOS.

So the question is: Is TalOS two faced or not?
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>>5455002
We are subservient to Mars but this doesn't mean we will not be the quartermaster. I believe Kelbor will give us his blessing to act as Mars's diplomat and speaker of the house seeing as we are not rivals to him and aren't gunning for the position of the Fabricator General of Mars.
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>>5454561
Changing my vote to
>>5454787
>Support
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>>5454787
Meant to support this anon, but since he voted for the same thing it's less bad
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>>5455007
Yes we are not hunning for position of FG of Mars, but MCcan still overthrown him and make Lucius the new capital of Mechanicus Empire! It's of course not be a quick process, maybe it would need a few milleniua but he will give the right tools for MC to do it, and what are a few milleniua for FG? Not much. Now why FG of Mars would he want to do that? And from capital it will just become a prison for void dragon. Emperor approves.
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>>5455066
Holly shit, how many mistakes, even my eyes are burning by reading this and I'm the one who wrote it...
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>>5455002
My thoughts clearly written, thank you very much.
I would like to add that although the answers are written differently they all boil down to:

>Yes I accept to be the representative of the cult without consulting anyone before accepting this proposal, besides of course breaking my promise.

Or

>I will not make a unilateral decision without assessing the political legitimacy of taking this position, furthermore the cult's representation on the council is not something that should be decided by people outside the council, regardless of the authority of the Person in question.
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>>5455002
Equally important is the simple fact that if we do this now, it's going to detract from our ever limited time influencing and organizing the Federation and our Legion, time which is running out both IC and OOC.

Sadly we may not be able to both become the Imperium's quartermaster while also achieving many of the dreams of the Federation. Better to focus on the Federation in such a case.

Even with Six Arms, TalOS just isn't able to juggle everything. Better to focus on what we can.
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>inb4 we get an angry voice mail from Hal yelling stuff like "YOU IDIOT WHY DID YOU DECLINE NOW MARS AND THE MECHANICUM HAS NO SAY IN THE CRUSADE"

Now the mechanicum will be a service and infraestructure provider with no option to claim new worlds and expand. Oh but Lucius cool right?
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>>5454556
>"I shall have to consider it"
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal
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>>5454556

I want to change my vote from:
>>5454576

To:
>"I shall have to consider it".
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal.
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>>5455141
Lucius very cool.

Still, they want mechancius on that war council and the primarchs want Talos.
Hal can throw on some second rater from mars, or he can formally permit our joining of the council, either way he cannot accuse us of subversion nor idiocy.

Your attempt of what I think is a strawman is rather flawed.
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>>5454556
>"I shall have to consider it"
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal

And if that isn't allowed:
> Refuse that shit,

also fuck captcha, it's literally the reason why I don't post much on this quest.
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>>5455141
>all of our other brothers partitioned your entry as the Mechanicum Representative in the War Council
>This should go through the proper channels
There will be a mechanicus representative anyway, this choice is whether we walk over the internal operations of the mechanicus and take the job, or try to do it the proper way.
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>>5455141
And cease your salt, this isn't 40k AI quest
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>>5454589
>Switch to
>>5454556
>"I shall have to consider it"
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal
Yeah, it's entirely possible Hal might want this. Or not. Let's consult him
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>>5455165
Probably shouldn't have been this confrontational, I think that quest's autism from yesterday are still on my nerves
>>5455141
Sorry anon
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Changing my vote here >>5454707 to

>"I shall have to consider it"
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal
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>>5454556
>>accept his invitation
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>>5454787
>support
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>>5454556
>"I shall have to consider it"
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal
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>>5454556
>"I shall have to consider it"
>Send a message to Kelbor Hal
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“Brother…” TalOS felt an irritation quake through his body as Machine Spirits began rattling on the cost and benefits of this proposal. It was a damning feeling knowing that his machine spirits did not understand the human factor of this transaction. In the end TalOS wondered if his Brother held the same ignorance, “I will not accept, I need approval before I can do this.”

The anger that seemed to have ebbed away from Fulgrim began to ignite once more as he heard such a reply, “You would ignore a request of our Father? Do your people not see him as some godly being?!”

“He is seen as the Omnissiah, not the Machine God.” TalOS fired back with a thin line taking his tongue, “What you have suggested to me can amount to Treason Fulgrim. You might not see it as that but it is. Kalbor Hal is the Fabricator General of Mars and my sovereign. I will not betray that for some petty view of men that you and Horus hold. Only if he desires me in that position will I consider it.”

“You would place this man above you!?” Fulgrim spoke with both anger and confusion that was so perfectly blended TalOS knew many would study it for decades.

“I do, as should you.” TalOS said as he leaned in close, “We act not in the interest of ourselves but humanity. You build an Empire for the Imperium of Man. The sooner you learn this the more that you realize that my position is the eventual end of your Crusade.”

“You might be a genius of the battlefield and a powerful magician of science,” Fulgrim began as he looked upon TalOS firmly, “But you lack an understanding of reality. We are Primarchs, perfect beings that were created to guide humanity. The Emperor will not throw us down in favor of the common rabble. Mark my words, TalOS, you know I am right~”

TalOS could not help but laugh when he heard those words, “Time will make a fool of you Fulgrim just as I have made you a fool today. We may be immortal against time but not against the blade. It may happen all at once, or maybe we will leave one after another with hundreds of years making those gaps. The question is when. For now, though, get off my planet.”

TalOS watched as the Stormbird that he attacked came back and began picking up both his brother and his sons. There was no ceremony or admonishment that needed to be done for his brother’s leave. Fulgrim had run TalOS’s good graces thin.

It was at this moment TalOS knew that he would not get along with all of his brothers. They will not be the yes-man that was Horus or the beastial understanding of Leman Russ. They did not share interests like Ferrus Manus or a common understanding like Alpharius.

TalOS was fine with that. It just meant there were people whom he needed to defend against if war ever occurred.
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‘The Humiliation of Fulgrim’ was the title for that mock battle that TalOS had engaged his brother in. The way it sprung around the galaxy it was like a true war had taken place between the two brothers with TalOS holding his brother’s head in victory. The Fabricator General watched first hand at the consequences of these actions.

First and foremost it was quickly becoming one of the most perforated pieces of media throughout the Federation. Rare was the common person able to see battle, many of the data recordings from Skitarii selfishly hogged by the Mechanicum that this became their first view of real combat. The techno-sorcery of the Acillians and the pure majesty of Fulgrim made it so entertaining that everyone spent entire rations worth of food just to catch one of the many viewpoints of the Acillians on the field.

What helped the most was, unlike his public duel with Leman Russ, that TalOS won in this exercise. Add in the public declarations of TalOS’s ideals and loyalty to both the people and his cult allowed people to firmly believe in him.

There were outcries of Fulgrim’s words, the Primarch not realizing that his words were seen as uncouth when shown to the common Federal Citizen. It was quickly noted by TalOS that any Auxiliary or even basic shipments of goods to any Emperor’s Children fleet were suddenly backed up with delays and restrictions. For the Knights of Dutonis, none were willing to soil their banner in disgrace by serving the Primarch who seemed to loathe them.

TalOS did not blame them and he did not reverse it. The only time the Primarch acted was when Anti-Imperial sentiments came around. He would not allow a party fully against the Treaty of Olympus to form upon his domain.

If ever Fulgrim walked into the realm of TalOS or even the Mechanicum, he will likely never recover from what occurred. Failing in both a duel and battle he could not keep up the facade of elegance that he was previously enjoying.

There was an irony in all this that TalOS learned after all this. Fulgrim came to him to ask for assistance in recreating his Legion from near scratch. That was a clear failure if TalOS would guess.

It was with that thought that time continued on. His victory was no longer news but an annul of the recent past. The Federation, nearing a decade in existence, had something of an occurrence that shook the foundations. With TalOS’s victory and the prevalence of the Machine God’s presence within the Federation, Apostasy began to run rampant.
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+A man has attempted to bribe me for secrets three times already! If he was not of the Nobility I would have had him flogged!+

+Three times this week both Knights and Nobles have tried to fork off their fifth son to me! These fools do not realize how selective our process is!+

+Everyone wishes to learn, many of whom are reading our public teachings!+

+By the Omnissiah the demands for a mass have been ongoing! Their old faiths are throwing themselves to join the cult!+

+We might not need new Forge Worlds if these Hive Worlds turn themselves into them!+

+By the Machine God, who will know if too many of our secrets were to get out! It will only take one soul to create an AI!+

Today was not the assembly, for that was not the point of the meeting today. Today the great hall in which theological debate was had and demanded was yelled at one corner to the other. TalOS looked towards R3KT, who had taken his position next to TalOS as a member of the Lucian High Council. TalOS felt the request for a light beam message to be sent, and TalOS accepted it.

+Things have been too quiet, I wondered when this hall would be filled.+ Pointed out the Arch Genetor with a jest at the situation.

TalOS had to agree. This was not the first time he was here, for this hall was used to try those of Tek-Heresy and the like. Today though was an issue that had been boiling up and recently cascaded in some amount of open war between the different sects of the Priesthood.

This issue had been boiling for a while as the Cult Mechanicus grew in influence. It however increased rapidly when people saw the measly miracles that TalOS performed against his brother. TalOS could only guess that people were finally realizing that the Machine God was not like their fickle warp-bound gods. He was real, and humanity was his chosen people.

But that came with a plethora of problems, mainly the fears on so many sides of the equation. From those who wished things stay as they were, to those whose arms were open and those who were simply suffering from the sudden desire for their religion by the people.

If it was this bad for TalOS he could only fear what might happen if his Father were to slip up. An entire Galaxy seeking faith. TalOS’s hands were full now by people seeking a religion whose goal wasn’t even to get converts.

Luckily none of the Titans have yet walked, mainly because they could only walk to TalOS’s command. He had already gotten rumblings of covert operations happening and it needed to be stopped now before his authority was put into jeopardy.

>An open discussion about the topic will work, just make sure they don’t go overboard.
>Talk about it together, then allow conclaves of different views to occur to determine solutions.
>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.
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>>5455627
To my knowledge, Apostacy is someone who leaves one faith for another. Thats why its Jesus and his Apostles, because they were Jews who become Christians. I might be wrong as Google tells me Apostate is simply someone who renounces with faith but I think thats like half a definition where is should be: 'Someone who renounces with Faith for another"
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>>5455627
>Talk about it together, then allow conclaves of different views to occur to determine solutions.
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>>5455627
>Talk about it together, then allow conclaves of different views to occur to determine solutions.
Huh, a mystery religion getting flooded by potential converts. Stamping all the wanabees probably won't work forever. We might need some type of lay priest, one that just recites the mantra to keep the population content instead of actually knowing or sharing secrets.
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>>5455627
>Talk about it together, then allow conclaves of different views to occur to determine solutions.

are we going to talk to send a message to Kelbor
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>>5455660
You did, there are talks about this between Terra and Mars.
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>>5455618
>The Emperor will not throw us down in favor of the common rabble. Mark my words, TalOS, you know I am right
QM can we specifically pocket this exact moment in recorded format for when the Emperor rolls out his "switch to the Administratum" phase? lol!

Also well shit, that was. . .wow. I thought our meeting with Lorgar was going to be bad this is probably the least cordial primarch meeting ever. It's hilarious and exhilarating.

Damn but we have really fucked them up especially at a time when their numbers are so few.

This could seriously hurt Fulgrim when he tries to win over Byzas with seven warriors like in the story.
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>>5455627
>Talk about it together, then allow conclaves of different views to occur to determine solutions.
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>>5455627
>>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.
This is going to be... a mess. We better mitigate it
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>>5455657
We just have to remind the nobles there is an intelligence bar to enter the Cult Mechanicus to be anything other than a lay adept. If they want their sons to become proper priests and not simply oil servitors and lighting incense, then they had better cough up the pay to afford intelligence augmentations for their sons. Preferably from birth and with a dash of genetic engineering.

Which works in our favor. We accept raw minerals and especially human bodies as valid payment for Mechanicum services.
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>>5455631
"Apostle" comes from the greek word for emissary "apóstolos". It's very much not the case that the disciples of Jesus were seen as leaving the jewish faith for a new faith in Jesus, because that goes against pretty much all of what Jesus was saying about "fulfilling the faith rather than destroying it"

"Apostasys" comes from the greek word for defection and revolt "Apostasía"

So it doesn't make sense to say that if people are joining the cult mechanicus en masse to call it Apostasy, unless you are referring perhaps to whatever local barbaric faiths they had before (given we did not allow the Imperial Truth much traction in the first place as conquest was carried out by Mechanicum forces).

We still likely permit it as an alternative I gather. There is no room for local barbarism in our Federation.

BTW QM, I take it there are two separate councils for matters of Governance and Matters of Faith in the Federation? For issues of government we have the "Federal Senate" or the "Federal Diet", and for issues of faith purely meant for priests we have the "Lucian Synod"?
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>>5455631
To be a bit more specific.
>Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them"
I can't speak for all denominations, but I'm unawares if there are any which theologically propagate the idea of the disciples abandoning the hebrew/abrahamic roots to join a completely new faith in Jesus.

As for the similarity of the words:
>The prefix "Apo-" derives from Greek where it means "Away From"
>Apostle doesn't mean "follower", but instead means "messenger", and the Greek word we derive it from, apóstolos means "someone who has been sent". apo - "Away From"; ésteila - "Sent"
>Apostasy derives from a different Greek word which means defection. Apo - "Away from"; hístēmi -"I stand"
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>>5455695
There is a seperation, as this is a Cult Mechanicus Matter specifically.
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It's funny. For the rest of the Imperium, the Imperial Truth is the primary "faith" while the Cult Mechanicum is a fringe alternative. In the Federation, the Cult Mechanicum is the primary faith, with the Imperial Truth as a small permitted alternative.
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>>5455627
>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.
It is the job of the Fabricator General to balance out the various sects and factions of his Synod, let us not shirk our duty and allow chaos to reign. Besides, a bit of autocracy is always good. Just ask Roboute.
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>>5455631
>>5455626
Apostasy is absolutely not used correctly here. If a wave of apostasy were running through the Federation, it means people are abandoning the Cult Mechanicus. Apostasys doesn't mean adopting one faith over another (though that can be a part of it), it simply means 'to leave the faith'. The word you are looking for is religious fervor or Proselytism.
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>>5455768
Then its a wave of conversion. Thats what is happening. Know people are joining the cult!
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>>5455627
>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.
I love the reference to Extra sons being given to the church, although it makes me think the Auxilia and Astartes are swelling just as much as our Church is, also we should definitely write a religious treatise to help wrangle all these newcomers
>Captcha: HKKKXD
By the Omnissiah what are we being told
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>>5455772
And that is well and good, it will make them better factory workers, noble foremen and administrators, and devoted soldiers and ensure unity of faith. Everyone can worship or at least venerate the machine spirits, but priesthood is reserved for the competent and the truly devoted.
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>>5455775
>religious treatise to help wrangle all these newcomers
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>>5455775
There is a great many fun references QM touches upon here. Historically with the late medieval era and the growth of the power of the Church many noble families would send their lesser sons to become monks, as a means of expanding their influence and prestige. As a result many of these monks brought with them their noble expectations of upperclass lifestyle (despite what was originally supposed to be frugal ascetism), and that is also why many monastaries became good at the production of wine, cheese, and other things. Some times it got so decadent you'd wonder if you were at a nobles banquet or a monastary at all.

There's a funny story about the Monks of St Swithin approaching King Henry II to complain that their bishop had deprived them of three dishes. When the King asked how many they had left, they said 'Ten'. The King replied 'and I in my court am content with three!'

Something funny is that according to the Rule of St Benedict dinner was supposed to be eaten in silence, a time for contemplation and reflection, but the monks just got around this by making complicated sign language. Reminds me of binaric.

Of all the sins of the Flesh, I imagine TalOS by his example of still eating (and his contest of Feast with Russ), food is probably the one that is very loosely permitted in our Synod, especially with the abundance our Agri worlds will soon produce. Not to mention the corpstarch and gladiator circuses we use to keep our population satisfied, just like the Old Federation.

In any case, inevitably, the Cult Mechanicus valuing merit and skill it is inevitable that nobles, being of better genetics, educational upbringing, natural and artificial intelligence than the common man, have always been and will be the main source of recruitment for our priests as well as our acillians. The very best become acillians, while those who remain become priests. The lower ranks or those with less skill just become adepts or skitarii.
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>>5455781
Exactly, a mix between the Bible and an Owner/Operator's guide to the human soul.
Also, just to think out loud, if we weren't going full Null could we have constructed an actually pleasant artificial afterlife instead of "yeah either get eaten slow or eaten fast"
>>5455788
I could see simple meals, but ones made with heart, becoming popular in our territory. That, or the far future equiv of that "Scientific Cooking" thing that was Popular a few years back. By the Emperor, imagine the kinds of refined Meats, Cheeses, and Wines that are produced across the Imperium. It'd probably cause me to fall to She-Who-Thirsts but sampling even a thousandth of the sheer variety would be a life well lived.

I wrote a background detail for another 40K thing, a minor order of non-battle Sisters that only recruit type one diabetics and also produce a form of Sanctified Whiskey. Make your own conclusions. I think I called them the Sisters of the Sweetened Sanguine or something similar.
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>>5455796
We are obviously a civilized nation, in emulation of the Federation we provide a plethora of fantastic bounties of luxury to those noble citizens most deserving of it in our realm. For those who can afford it of course, disease and ailments do not afflict them surely.

When we started the quests I had a few dreams of making things a bit better for the lower classes, things like having a standard of living, an abundance of food, emphasis on servitor industrialization, kinda like when TalOS made the factory workers lives slighty better. A sort of competition between us and Roboute on who can make their realm nicer to live in for the masses. However I've just decided to tuck that away because I'm not sure we will have the time to do so or exactly how much we'll get to influence the culture of Lucius at all (it's already thread 11 of 20 and there is just so much on our plate left to do).

So I just settle for Plan B and do the canon thing and making the lives of our nobles better while the poor can just keep working those factorums like they were meant to. Possibly it's even more efficient than Guilliman's egalitarian Ultramar anyway. It also fits TalOS being a high rider more, given how much he favors nobles like the Knights, his own children, and the techpriests who are themselves an upper class of society. Let Angron and Corax value their dregs.
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>>5455810
It's even more ironic given how badly we've soured Fulgrims relations with the common folk while we are being praised. Mama ELL1E's corpsetarch just wouldn't taste the same if it werent made from the ground up bodies of the poor anyway.
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>>5455627
>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.
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>>5455627
>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.
You do not let people who have no knowledge of the religion run their mouth, that's how heresy happens.
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>>5455627
>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns.

I believe Tal0S guiding the conversation is the best choice, but at the same time it's not a viable long-term solution. We need to create an organization to keep the creed within the federation as uniform as possible, after all this is the advantage of having a smaller Kingdom is that it is easier to patrol.
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>>5455901
We could do what Lorgar and Roboute do and write another book too. It will surely be a hit.

Of course, there is one other alternative if "we" want to ensure our vision of the future remains in case we end up "absent": The TalOS Inferior
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>>5455627
>TalOS specifically will lead the discussions. Even if these fellows don’t have Titans they all have Plasma guns
I think this is true path to machine pope
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>>5455626
QM I have two questions.

First, what was Kelbor Hal's response to the representative position?

Second, did someone shit inside the doll's skull before he entered in the atmosphere of our world?
>"TalOS learned after all this. Fulgrim came to him to ask for assistance in recreating his Legion from near scratch."
This seems to have the Emperor's finger involved, Fulgrim may have a lot of flaws but he wasn't going to compromise the mission of rebuilding his legion out of sheer pride, right?
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>>5456023
Yes he would compromise it. This whole affair was Fulgrim overcompensating for the fact that despite looking, acting and most of all feeling perfect his genetic sons have a gene flaw.
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>>5456025
Even in the official lore would he do something like that? I thought only elves were so primitive in the area of diplomacy.
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>>5456028
Not sure about the official lore, maybe with how the new books portrait him.

But what I meant was that from the moment he saw TaL0S and understood him as deviating from their fathers design he had to think of him and what he made as lesser, otherwise his father's design and he himself could not be perfect and he would be forced to confront the fact that maybe his genes was responsible for why his genetic sons had a flaw and that he is not being perfect.
But he can't do that, way to attached to the idea of being created perfect so he has to find the reason for that flaw neither by himself, nor his father.
He doesn't blame TaL0S that wouldn't make sense, but he could use him to display the superiority he does feel towards others and continue to think he has no faults.
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>>5455682
On better news, next primarch to be found will be Vulkan. I have no doubt we will be great friends with him
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>>5456023
We even mentioned that our own legion has a flaw, and another one as well, and he shot back that it was obviously intended. The only reason I can think of why he would act like that when he came here to fix his in the first place would be if he was in complete cope mode.
Or maybe it was Malcador sent him on orders of the emperor, instead of the Emperor telling him personally, which might explain why he refused uncle's hand in the supersoldier program.
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>>5456032
Bro, I understand that the doll could go into denial after listening to Tal0S talk for five minutes, but what strikes me is that despite him being invited, the reason he came to meet us is the emperor himself, only he and our dear uncle would have the information of our experiments with the intention of curing the fault in the gene of the second legion.

Which means that Fulgrim disobeyed the Emperor's wishes, which I'll remind you of, he sees as perfect. Even if the doll fundamentally loathes it and is repulsed by Tal0S, it wouldn't go against the advice of the big E, at least not at this historical moment.
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>>5456070
The 3rd does not have a geneflaw everyone. What happened is that their storage got busted by fungus and it destroyed a lot of their genestock. This event affected many of the other legions as well but the Emperor's Children were the hardest hit.

Fulgrim was here on the knowledge that TalOS could help expedite the rebuilding process through his intimate Gene Knowledge. If TalOS had helped him, he would have had a Legion at full strength within a couple of years instead of a decade.

As for who sent him, I'll leave that to you.
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>>5456079
Thanks for the clarification QM.
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>>5455627
>Talos will lead the discussions.

WE WILL MEDIATE
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>>5456044
What if QM breaks our heart and Vulkan is cordial but not friendly? What if he doesn't like what we have been doing... but doesn't have the heart to tell us otherwise? so sad...
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>>5456236
It's Vulkan. The only brother he truly hates was Curz. And that was because Curz killed him a few dozen times.
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>>5456079
>What happened is that their storage got busted by fungus and it destroyed a lot of their genestock. This event affected many of the other legions as well but the Emperor's Children were the hardest hit.
Correct, and the fungus lay dormant in many of the Emperor's Children in the early parts of the crusade. It took the Emperor himself and time so that by the later half of the Crusade the blight properly burn out but in the first half Fulgrim and Fabius Bile tried (and failed) to find a way to stop dormant ones from dying.

Also Trazyn fucked them over further by stealing a fresh load of pure geneseed that the Emperor had for Fulgrim too.
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>>5456252
Here's my question for QM and the rest of you guys.

It is said Vulkan spent many good years on Terra under the direct tutelage of the Emperor and Malcador, learning of them science and history and becoming familiar with both the Emperor and Malcador.

Do you think we can afford some years off to be with Vulkan and the Emperor? It would be great to tinker around with him. Maybe give some directives to the Federal Council on things we want done while we attend to matters in Sol. if not, I suppose he can at least be a great aid to UZI. I imagine he did a lot of spelunking himself.

I can see that TalOS is tinkering in his spare time, QM is definitely unleashing many of the toys he is working on in the background like the chronomantic device used on Fulgrim or the Black Hole weapons. I do wonder how they compare to Vulkans artefacts, and what the both of them can come up with together!
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>>5456261
I'm pretty sure he spent that time like all the primarchs, being educated after being found.
And we decided we are not part of the Imperium, but the Mechanicus
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>>5456261
>Do you think we can afford some years off to be with Vulkan and the Emperor?
one of the reasons I had no support in sending T4L0S to the war council was because NOOO THERE IS NO ONE TO KEEP THE FEDERATION FROM FALLING APART it has to be micromanaged.

And if the direction of most anons is to invest wholeheartedly into the federation and relegate other matters (such as being a primarch) well, *shrugs* no Vulkan quality time for you
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>>5456269
He specifically spent more time with them than anyone else it is said. Khan for example spent basically no time and just showed up to Terra as a courtesy to say a few brief words with Malcador before fucking off iirc

>>5456271
Fair enough. And yeah, our ability to organize projects isn't as great as I'd hoped it would be. Frankly if there's one, just one action I wish we could do, it's organize effective delegation to get people to help us crack at the to-do list that's a mile long at this point.

Last time when we had Al4N and VADAR work on the Astartes was great.

We just simply lack enough competent people, even our sample size of priests is sorely wanting (just Pteraxxi and D3X. We need more high ranking priests).

It feels like if we weren't here absolutely nothing would get done without us, and that's bad. We need to fix that.
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>>5456261
Well that depends I think spending time at the Palace is out of the question because of our obligations but I think we can stabilize the federation so we can be part of the crusade.
As soon as the political situation stabilizes and the gene alteration is over, we'll have some free time to rob tombs, I still remember our goal.

>>5455904
I thought our written guides were the texts that Tal0S would leave. And considering QM resistance to adding more quick fixes to our problems I don't think he's going to let us create a "bible" smart enough to solve all the minor problems.
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You would think we could have dedicated research teams by now, like they have on Mars. Maybe that should be Tal0S priority so it doesn't feel that time is slipping away while we have to pick between this project and that. It's time to revive the Federal Research Grants.
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>>5456271
The other reason against becoming Quartermaster right now, unlike the little 'vacation' is that once we get locked into it there's no going back.

We can't just say "Hey guys I need to organize some federation stuff brb".

It would be nice if we could make it so that we can manage the logistics of the Great Crusade from Lucius, or invite the War Council to meet on Lucius rather than Terra, but I doubt they would let us do that. Or that we could organize the Federation from afar via Astropath but we don't seem to have that capability either.

We just have to pick our battles. The Great Crusade will carry on without us like it did in OG Canon, better to lock and load the Federation of the Xenocides and the greater wars to come.
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Better to showcase the Federation once it achieves proper glory as a reason to become the Great Crusade's quartermaster, rather than simply to become a tool to gain influence over the Mechanicum.
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>>5456261
Why not the reverse? Vulkan is a primarch who would happily take our invitation to Lucius unlike Fulgrim who had to be practically forced. We can spend some time teaching him our artisan ways and he can teach us in return
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>>5456413
This is true.
It would be SUPER cool if we could convince Vulkan to come spend some time with bro instead of Dad.
Especially since we're more open to his religion than him. In fact I dare say we may want to promote the Nocturnian Faith as an acceptable alternative to both the Cult Mechanicum and the Imperial Truth, possibly even integrating some of its teachings.

And maybe Vulkan and we can go spelunk Lucius instead of Terra.
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>>5456446
Well, we know that atleast Mezoa would like Vulkan and his faith, and they are related to Lucius
So having it be accepted, or to be some sort of cross polination of beliefs, isn't even that far off canon
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>>5456446
I'd say with Malcador's gift to us we are very well suited to go spelunking in Lucius, and having Bro would just be an amazing bonding activity.
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TalOS looked around at the bickering and hollering of his Fellow Priests. Nothing will be done, not within a firm hand to guide these men through the Theological landscape they had found themselves in. So he rose to his full height in a stage above all other Priests.

+Protocol 2.+ And like a machine whose control engine was seized the chattering around him stopped. Such was the power of the Fabricator General that no Priest would dare ignore his declarations.

+My brothers and sisters,+ TalOS began as he looked around at the numerous people around him, +These last few years have been a time of insane growth for both the Federation and the Mechanicum. Internally billions travel the stars from Hive World, Agri World, and Forge World holding with them the opportunity to choose how their lives are spent. However with these people gaining choice, the fact becomes that a Converting Fervor has gripped the common man after learning just a piece of the Machine God’s power.+

TalOS looked upon the many cloaks of those who were present at his assembly, +We each have our own thoughts and fears at this, each coming from a different Forge World that held the truths and secrets of the Machine God in a different manner. Many of you know this is not unusual, that many of our Factory Serfs worship the Machine God just as we do. The understanding now though is we are no longer the only leaders who follow the Machine God’s doctrine.+

To those words TalOS felt the Noosphere begin to teem with information. Those of Lucius had opened the network, but many of the other worlds quickly were joining their fellow Lords in the discussions of the day. This was good, and acceptable, TalOS decided.

+As I, Fabricator General TalOS understand it, these are what we need to determine. What knowledge will we make available to the common man? How should we treat those who are our equals when they come to us in matters of faith? Lastly, rules put in place so we do not incur the wrath of those outside.+

TalOS looked around and studied his people, +These are the questions that must be answered in this conference. A failure to achieve them will endanger us from both the outside and the inside, where corruption will breed and both Terra as well as Mars will denounce our happenings. Thus I begin our meeting with this warning and will guide us through discussion. Do we accept this?+

As soon as TalOS released a poll did it give him the result he was looking for. They all found it acceptable, which allowed the proceedings to continue.
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+As such we are brought to the first order of business.+ TalOS declared to the rest of his fellows to hear, +It has come to the attention of I, TalOS DAV1S, as the Fabricator General of Lucius that we have not standardized the release of knowledge into the masses.+

TalOS gave his fellows a moment to adjust. Some of them have to feed this piece of information into their Cogitators to then release thousands of hours of debate into their mind’s eye. For TalOS it could be feasted upon in an instant but his many of the more sparsely populated planet’s leaders did not have such luxurious augmentations. Once he was comfortable he continued.

+Before, when our faith was only tied to the Forge Worlds, we each held a comfortable level of information. Knowledge is Divine and allows one to reach comprehension, but it is also dangerous in that it led mankind down the path of the Dark Age.+ TalOS reminded many of the many doctrines they hold close, +The Priest would be able to watch their workers with impunity, know what they know, and deliver punishment upon those who deviated from the faith or used sacred knowledge for heresy. No longer do we hold that authority.+

TalOS gave his people another moment to think over what was just said, to comprehend that in truth they were no longer singular rulers in this realm that was the Federation. It was not a new concept but it was still quite terrifying to place forward for consideration.

+Thus we must consider what is and is not released into the wider Federation. Already we have had uninitiated attempt to create Servitors, Rejuvenation Serum, Artisan Energy Weapons, Personal Shield Generators, Void Shield Generators, Rad Energy Generator, Rad Bombs, Invasive Augmentations, Data Dijin, Skitarii,+ TalOS felt himself go on for minutes on end as he listed every piece of heresy that was committed to his knowledge, +And lastly, Cloning. In just this last one alone because of the Clone’s presence, an Asteroid entered the planet’s atmosphere so that the Machine God will smite that unholy abomination. It resulted in the death of 2,684,583 people and the injuries of many others.+

Those words were able to increase the discussion among the Priests tenfold. Many knew the information but not in this sheer amount. TalOS will admit even with the new organization his daily feed was filled with these events that caused him to be irked.

+When we were upon our Forge Worlds the trade of information for resources was acceptable. Let it be on Mars, Xana, Lucius, or Columnus these were the truths. Thus we convene to determine what limits should be placed on this information.+

A point made, TalOS called out, +As many of you have elected representatives, Protocol 127 shall be enacted.+ The declaration of debate through arbitration.
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TalOS looked down to see a series of men taking the podiums below. Each of them were respected Magi, with a couple TalOS knowing personally. These men each had a plethora of writings in their name which were transmitted throughout the Federation at the rate of trade. Thus, they were brought here due to their popularity.

+I thank each of you for coming.+ TalOS said first as he transferred his mind’s eye to a Servo-Skull that was floating between the men, +Magos Censor Torez, you may begin the conversation.+

+I thank you for this opportunity, Fabricator General.+ The Magos gave a small bow from his podium, +My brothers and sisters, we are faced with a truly dangerous issue today. I have seen first hand almost a quarter of what the Magos spoke of, where ignorant people try and fail at the wonders of the Machine God. I feel that the release of this information endangers us so much that those who release it should be tried.+

+But they are our people, our workers!+ Declared Magos Esta as he looked looked upon his fellows, +True they are not members of the Faith, but should we deny them divinity?+

+If we deny them we are damaging them.+ Magos Arius said in support as he looked around, +We need to save as many souls as we can.+

+The Machine God will accept all he can into his embrace.+ Pointed out Magos N1C4SUS as his feeble voice was carried through powerful vox casters, +Ignorance is safety for all. Many who are not initiated and scrutinized will think themselves better than us. We carry the wisdom of the ancients and knowledge of their folly. A simple man from Helmnut does not.+

+Aye!+ Magos Spyr called out with a devilish grin, +Who knows what kind of heresy breeds among those people! Just ten years ago many of them thought of sky deities or buried gods. They-+

+But does that not mean we should save them?+ Arius asked with worry within his voice.

+If your form of saving is damning!” Fired back the Magos Spyr fired back, +Imagine if they succeeded in making a new Man of Iron!?+

A shot was fired with peace already being destroyed so TalOS acted, +Silence, the both of you. Do not interrupt each other. While Magos Spyr attempted to make his point, I require that each of you do not use inflammatory terms or terror mongering.+

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+If we are to have the learned then we must give it a level.+ Magos Costil said as he broke a near awkward silence, +They cannot be given knowledge of the highest secrets, but I see little harm in them knowing how las guns and wheelbarrows are made.+

+That is reasonable, Magos Costil.+ Magos Spyr admitted as he began his counter, +But even that knowledge can be abused. I know we cannot keep them all ignorant but what they should know are on a needed basis. Serfs who work factories need to know how to operate their machines and such, but we should not let them know more than that.+

+But what if such knowledge prevents them from ascending?+ Pointed out Esta, +This universe if becoming more and more secular with the presence of the Emperor and I fear what will happen in the end.+

+The Omnissiah is Divine, what he does does not concern us.” Arius told his fellow, +But my friend is right, we will prevent fellow believers from a sacred tradition. If the harm of a few is needed then we are sound in knowing that they will all be given over to our Lord.+

+Are we sure they do not reach divinity?+ Asked Magos N1C4SUS as he countered his fellow, +Have we not heard the tale of Fredric or of Alexander? Neither of them know what we know, yet he has touched both of them.+

+That is because they operate the Machine God’s Angels, his Knights.+ Pointed out Esta, +They are second only to the Princeps and ourselves to his Divinity. And that is ignoring the knowledge, knowledge is the source of divinity.+

+Do we not venerate the Machine God with Manufactoriums? While the Quest for Knowledge is great, he also needs veneration through production. We cannot teach everyone what you wish, so we should focus on the pratical.+

+There is no reason for us not to try.+ Magos Costil pointed out, +Who knows, maybe by giving them these pieces of information they will attain a greater calling within our ranks.+

>Allow knowledge to proliferate, at the risk of injury.
>Give a standard teaching and database, thus minimizing the risk.
>On a need to know, for them to venerate is enough.
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>>5456734
I know this was a long and wordy one, but I really have no choice here. Its gotta be this long to give you all a good chance to try and understand how they see things.

One thing I will put forward is that its so weird to write this shit. It would be hard to find a quest, let along a real book, that has a central point being a theological study.
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>>5456734
>Give a standard teaching and database, thus minimizing the risk.
>On a need to know, for them to venerate is enough.
Whichever is the closest to the whole lay priests that just preach to calm down the masses idea I had.
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>>5456734
>Give a standard teaching and database, thus minimizing the risk.
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>>5456740
You'll want the later, as this will make people think that by performing rituals and such is enough to be in the Machine God's good graces.
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>>5456744
Oh nice, then go for that.
Feels kind of close to a specific folk japanese version of budhism that just repeating a certain mantra everyday was enough to save their souls.
I don't remember the name of of it though.
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>>5456749
Found it, it's Jodo Buddhism. Apparently it's a bit more complicated than that, but it's still a folk version of buddhism aimed at the masses.
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I want to make it know that there will not be an update Saturday and likely not one Friday. I am traveling and will at a location where I cannot easily update this all.
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>>5456755
Well if the serfs fulfill their bullet production quotas then their soul...
DAMN IT QM this is hard... what knowledge are we precisely disseminating here? If we choose that option** what bothers me is that I can't separate what is rites and what is hard sciences from the mechanicum. Because knowledge is sacred right?

Damn, what should we do? Print an annually reader's digest with updated maintenance rites? Should we follow the jehova's witness sect's example and produce magazines with varied content?

But yes, as I can see your options are an abstraction, not specific examples and ideas or a description of what is going on. By this I vote for:
>Give a standard teaching and database, thus minimizing the risk.
With the DICK in place there will be sufficient control and enforcing to keep the heresy at minimun and this reader's digest and database is a strong basis to teach serfs what is right and by extension to tell the LEADERS what is wrong...
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>>5456808
How I see it the first allows them to know all they can or want. There is no restriction on knowledge.

The second is allowing them knowledge of assembly of some items. Up to a certain point and they don't need to be a factor in the process to learn it.

The last is need to know. Unless you already have an operation or strong justification you cannot be given information besides maintenance of items.
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>>5456815
>The last is need to know. Unless you already have an operation or strong justification
Ah so "you are a serf there is no point in you satisfying your curiosity" that's very imperium of man for you and we are one notch higher right? Then the middle option would be adequate.

>We made this machine spirit that hands out information tailored to satisfy your curiosity. Be blessed, man, because your hunger for knowledge is holy.
Of course the design of the program matters A LOT and depends on the intention of the creator (T4L0S). Do we want to actually elevate the people who use this machine spirit and give information that will improve their daily lives if they work hard for it, or do we want mystifying texts that makes them feel they are part of something bigger
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>>5456734
>Give a standard teaching and database, thus minimizing the risk.
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>>5456734
>On a need to know, for them to venerate is enough.
Reasonings:
>#1 this is how it is in canon, and its the safest option along with stringent supervision
>#2 knowing the mysteries nor divinity is not the prerequisite to salvation for the layman. 'By faith or by good works'. The simple factorum menial who respects the machine spirits, follows his adept, and gives his life to production will be saved. It is simply the privelege, and the burden, of the priests to seek the greater mysteries
>#3 If there are scientists, engineers, mechanics and such they should be either inducted or supervised by techpriests as is proper. We have no need for freelance 'scientists' who follow in the folly of the ancients by practicing works without faith, and created abominations that nearly destroyed them

You saw the same thing on Corax homeworld of deliverance, the industrial guilds and factory nobles were inevitably given over and mingled with the Mechanicus until they were one and the same.

Remember:
"Knowledge is power. Do not waste it on the masses."
— Sector Governor Marius Hax
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>>5456734
>On a need to know, for them to venerate is enough.
If knowledge were for everyone, they would not be mysteries. Only the worthy can seek out divinity.
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>>5456734
>On a need to know, for them to venerate is enough.
Absolutely nobody wants the common serfs to have access to more knowledge than they need. Not the Knights, who keep them as farmers and don't want rebellions. Not the nobles, who keep them as factory workers and don't want rebellions. And certainly not us, especially not the Mechanicum who guard the precious secrets of knowledge. If there are those who show intelligence and competence to practice the arts, then they should induct themselves into the cult as per the Treaty of Mars.
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>Allow knowledge to proliferate, at the risk of injury.
>Require registration of discoveries for peer testing. Knowledge is the right of all sentients. The safe proliferation of it, the responsibility of all who learn.

Better to
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>>5456734
>Give a standard teaching and database, thus minimizing the risk.
>Write-in: Give a warning in every book/database/other about the dangers of AI and why there is so much fear about it. Tell them why the Men of Iron are so reviled and that even trying to create such a thing is the greatest height of foolishness. Tell them, that the Mechanicus knows how to do it, but actively ensures that it does not happen because of all these evils and strife that they bring. Tell them, that Mankind tried and failed to live in peace and unity with AI and that they(AI) turned against us and sought our end.
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>>5456734
>On a need to know, for them to venerate is enough.
The very foundations of the Cult Mechanicum was built on the notion that knowledge should be acquired and guarded. Remember Warning 14. "the Machine Spirit guards the knowledge of the ancients." If they were meant to be freely given, they would not need to be guarded.
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>>5456734
>On a need to know, for them to venerate is enough.
Imagine a Nurgle cultist learning from genetors.
We are still in the Warhammer universe, power to the mases will result in death and corruption.
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>>5456826
'and we are one notch higher right'
Depends what you mean by "higher". Higher in that we have a higher proportion of intellectual elites, lead by an extremely intelligent primarch whose followers are hyper dedicated to the quest for knowledge and willingly embrace the merits of transhumanism to achieve it? Well yes.

But this whole egalitarian, enlightenment of the masses thing is, as the ancient saying goes, 'For the Avians'. And they went extinct on Terra millenia ago.

If the common serf seeks more knowledge than that needed to maximize their efficiency, they need to prove in the factorums and apply themselves as an adept, just like any other. And this is extremely unlikely given there's already a waiting list of objectively superior nobles who have been downloading higher aristocratic education from almost before birth to serve the Mechanicum anyway. Not like factory life gives much time for superior education either.
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>>5456734
>On a need to know, for them to venerate is enough.
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>>5456734
>Give a standard teaching and database, thus minimizing the risk.
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>>5456734
>On a need to know, for them to venerate is enough.

Would it be possible for us to have a serious conversation about this? What most ordinary people need is plentiful food, safe shelter, basic medicine and a faith that they can have a little hope for the future.
Ggiving them the knowledge of building weapons or industrial machines but not the materials to use them. Will not help with these needs, we should teach the masses how to worship the machine god by simple rituals, prayers and chants and telling stories of his great miracles.

Something to give to all the poor fuckers who ended up in the dumb aristocrat part of the galaxy who can't guarantee enough food for servants at 30k. Who live in houses made of rotting wood while nobles gallop through the stars using angelic war machines that are worth more than the entire existence of their genealogy combined, we have to justify this useless suffering.
We have to justify to the resident of a random village that he will die of bubonic plague, because it would be very laborious and expensive to build sanitation in his district, after all, his lord is saving money to rejuvenate ten years.

Now that I'm writing this, people have some reasons to revolt if they get the chance. But who cares? They're just the small people, incapable of jeopardizing the plans of big men.
>They'll never get the chance to destroy everything we've built ourselves, right?
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I'm hoping there's a distinction being made here about advanced knowledge that should be guarded vs the basic education that is expected of most imperial citizens (outside of the niche north korean/space bretonnian Knight agri worlds with their true peasants)

It isn't "how las guns and wheelbarrows are made" we're concerned with, or a database for simple wikipedia type stuff. That sort of thing should just be a given in any number of our hive worlds and factorums where basic civilians should have access to the holonet (think the cyberpunk esque citizens of necromunda). Things like 'how to properly maintain a servitor' or 'how to perform proper maintenance of my implants' or 'how to field repair a common vehicle' should be already accessible.

It's the dangerous stuff. The 'how do I make servitors'/'what's the method of creating clones'/'how to extract rejuvenate'. This sort of thing beyond all the but the bare minimum to comprehension really shouldn't be out on a non-secured database for the masses at all, and really should be on a needs to know basis. Reserved for vetted nobles, factorum foremen, enginseers and the like whether mechanicus or otherwise.

We aren't depriving our average citizens of the basic education of living in an advanced society, just preventing them from making terrible mistakes with dangerous tools and knowledge they shouldn't be playing around with.
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>>5457111
Honestly I just relegate the poor suckers who live on Knight Worlds as essentially "entertainment slaves" whose job is to be perpetual renaissance fair reenactors for our Knights who insist on having their literal fuedal amusement parks to make them feel good. Supposedly this is more efficient and good for defense than just being like normal Imperial/Mechanicum citizens who have a fuedal style structure but a modern industrial planet. It's fine anyway, we just supply them with knight parts from our properly industrial worlds, and maybe it is easier to defend sparsley populated backwaters when you can just have knights protect the few fortresses worth protecting while the rest of the countryside is of such insignificant populace that a total loss won't really matter, we can just give all our knight worlds fresh peasants a hundred times over from a single hive world. And not even our biggest one.

Meanwhile, the denizens who live on our hive worlds and forges have it slightly better depending on your perspective. Sure there's less fresh air and more smog, and more factory labour, and more implants, but they do have access to more advanced commodities. Or in the very least they have easier access to corpsestarch and digital circuses.

It's a bit hard to say, being a wage slave in a factorum where you can die of industrial toxins vs being a fuedal slave on a field where you can die of bubonic plague because the local peasant doctor isn't allowed to use modern antibiotics. Ideally at least the former case may or may not be solved by further automation and an emphasis on servitors, so that our hives can become more like civilized worlds and the people don't have to be worked to for every inch so long as their bodies can be sent to work the factories in their stead. But it all depends if we even get the chance. For now, it will probably just be business as usual.
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If the majority of a knight world is easily abandoned rural area of low value, it also means fewer knights are needed to protect the planet and more of them can be sent out to protect our valuable worlds. It's also easy to put down rebellions too.
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>>5457140
Course is! Unless these rebel powers are supported from the outside, which would turn a normal rebellion into a coin flip.
In the best option, the planet is still ours, we'll just have to spend years to repair all the damage, if we have the resources to do so. After all, a rebellion organized by forces outside the federation, were going to reach more than one world.
In the worst case, it would not be viable to rebuild all the infrastructure in the affected world because we had to bomb the planet in order not to lose it. But these possible outcomes would be much more expensive than improving the standard of living a little, right?
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>>5457028
... I thought you were cringe considering how much you clutter the thread with your longposts. But you are based

>>5456808 Changing this vote to
>>On a need to know, for them to venerate is enough
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>>5456734
>>On a need to know, for them to venerate is enough.
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>>5456734
>On a need to know basis
>This is on the understanding that a basic education is given to all the serfs we are able.

I want our citizens able to read, write, understand the basic principles of how the world works. Advanced knowledge, like how to construct devices or how cloning works should be restricted.
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>>5457339
This game wouldnt be near as fun if it was just nothing but green text responses. And most of what SoN and the others discuss is very sound. Besides this game is very quiet compared to the other 40k quests going on.
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>>5457352
Supporting
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>>5457434
You have a point. What do you mean with quiet?
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>>5457434
I believe the Quietness you talked about to be due to how fast this quest is written. If you compare posts per day, this Quest actually has more posts than AI quest, 2nd Primarch Quest, and 11th Primarch Quest. Why it's quiet is the rate I write, which because it's daily affects conversation as topics change rapidly. Let's not forget more votes as well.

At least that's my theory. Here I am realizing that atleast by engagement this might be one of if not the most popular quest. That likely again is because of engagement/writing speed.
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>>5457470
Go over to 40k AI quest and you will get it.

Not that it is a bad quest at all!... but there is a lot of meandering talks about whatever fancies them and sometimes it completely doesn't follow the quest itself (we do that a bit too, but not as much as they do)
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>>5457504
It's a difference in playstyle and pacing for sure. The AI one tends to be more open ended, with multiple options for research and production, and longer in between. So discussions can get very complex.

>>5457506
Lengthy discussion is planning by another name! And also entertainment.
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>>5457504
Also with your quest I think we sort of get the picture to go along with whatever topic of the day happens to be on our itinerary so discussion rolls along with it. Some things theres a lot to discuss and other things are straightforward.
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>>5457301
Honestly as long as the knights themselves remain loyal, the rest of the fuedal populace is highly irrelevant. All the kings horses and all the kings spearmen at arms arent even going to dent so much as a squire's armor. Even supposing an outside force bothered to smuggle anti tank weapons and teach peasants the difference between operating a missile launcher and stringing and drawing a bow and arrow, medieval earth had somewhere between 300-400 million people? This compared to say, a small hive spire (not a world just one of its spires) which could have upwards of 20 billion as a low estimate? take away the knights and a single hive could still probably quell rebellions on most of our fuedal worlds. the knights just make it easy. Maybe they'd find it unpleasant their peasant populace has been reduced to zilch but we can always get them more and really the knights true wealth is in the subsidies of manufactured goods we provide the and loot they gain as effectively our mechanized mercenaries. The scraps of fuedal production are chump change. Even if we completely bomb out a rural fuedal world to ash and zero atmosphere, at worst reviving a dead world in the goldilocks zone takes about 150 years (and that's with Cawl talos can do it faster).

The real danger is once we have proper industrial agri worlds under the guardianship of knights, or on the rare industrial world they inhabit like dutonis. A single one of those could be worth the actual production of 20 medieval planets or more.

In the end its ultimately the loyalty of the knights which, alongside nobles and priests, we need to lock down tight. The industrial citizens are somewhat important at best, but the fuedal ones are basically droplets of a single drop in the ocean of our people. A necessary sacrifice to keep our knights happy and fighting.
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>>5457567
Nano are you serious, you of all people?
How many sacrificed people would it take to send a low-population planet into the Immaterium?

Remember that the four parasites will be working together, that we don't have inquisitors, that our forces have no experience dealing with demons and finally, that Tal0S may not be in the federation to save everyone.
Paying a fraction of our resources to lessen the chances of desperate people becoming unwanted portals to hell seems like a good price to me.
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>>5457621
>How many sacrificed people would it take to send a low-population planet into the Immaterium?
In the words of Sindri 'all power demands sacrifice'. I have my doubts that even all the people of a low power world are enough to summon a major warp rift. From the examples I'm aware of the two main ways to do so are:
-Mass sacrifices like the civilized world of Tartarus from Dawn of War, including that of a major Ork Warband, the Chaos Sorcerer, and the presence of a rare powerful item like the Maledictum. Basically just massacring a world isn't enough to cut it, as the Imperium does so on a regular basis
-Another, extremely rare example, is the use of about several dozen captured navigator eyes and a powerful psyker

But in any case, I feel we should ideally have additional defenses to render our realm safe from warp incursions even with the presence of cultists by merits of:
-An increased proliferation of Null Nobilite
-Eventual discovery and activation of more Blackstone Technologies, the empowerment of our existing Blackstone Fortress, and the potentiality of finding more
-The simple fact that we have an anti-psyker policy. Knight worlds tend to slay theirs, and those we do find we just load onto the blackships
In an ideal scenario we have a sort of low grade 'Pariah Nexus' effect going on around our worlds.

>that we don't have inquisitors
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Prefecture_Magisterium
Technically we do through the Prefecture Magisterium, we just need to increase their power and influence. And then that's not including the Null Nobilite

>that our forces have no experience dealing with demons
Fundamentally I disagree with this, because there's plenty of examples of Techsorcism in the Cult Mechanicus. The use of holy oils, rites of banishment, prayer scrolls and the likes. We're basically a knock-off version of the Ecclesiarchy before the Ecclesiarchy, and our religion accepts the existence of demons of the warp which we are allowed to propegate via the Treaty of Mars. It's just we're more focused on the kind that infest machines, but the Cult is well aware that many demon viruses can also corrupt the human users.

>Paying a fraction of our resources to lessen the chances of desperate people becoming unwanted portals to hell seems like a good price to me
And honestly, ultimately, I agree. If we CAN improve the lives of our peasants, even (or ideally) through a trickle down effect, I'd be all for it. I have many ideas on ways to actually improve the lives of the commoners.

I am just suspicious if we will actually get the chance to do so or we won't be forced to pick between it and something else of a higher priority like we always do. We may have many plans, but it's usually the case that our time is limited and the plans get chopped up and we have to pick which ones are the most important. The lives of an extremely small minority population are low in priority compared to many other more powerful ways we can pre-empt Chaos.
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The Prefecture Magisterium, the creation of Techsorcist ordos, they will be our Inquisition. We just need to put more funding to them, alongside our other anti-warp efforts based on blackstone and null and an intense campaign against unsanctioned psykers via our advanced psi-detectors that TalOS invented.
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>>5457653
Good points, counter argument:
A Bloodletter summoned inside a castle, after the knight leaves to stop the peasants' rebellion, can exterminate his entire bloodline.
Second, our "cousins" will surely show up in our humble realm, I know of at least one doll that can make our job a lot harder.
Third, regardless of what we do, cults will arise within our lands, depending on where exactly we won't be able to count on our exaggerated strength to solve everything.

I'm just saying that our problem is more complicated than it appears, and that it would be in our interest to prioritize these measures so that they take effect sooner.
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>>5457692
Well I hope the 'look at the lives of the peasants' option isn't paired up with two other even more important priority options.
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>>5457714
Given that one of the early boosts to TalOS's reputation and standing within the Lucian cult was the introduction of a system that improved the living standards for forge thralls and menials as a stepping stone to increased productivity, it doesn't seem out of line to want to foster a sort of "noblesse oblige" on the part of our allied knight houses towards the peasantry and yeomanry of their holdings. Coupling this with a basic education in both the noetic and discursive principles of the Mechanicum among the lower classes would seem to be a good way to both raise the productivity of these worlds and make them less prone to heed the whisperings of the archenemy as the teachings of our own cult would inoculate them to some degree against worship of the immaterium and the instructors sent to teach them would also be able to observe, report, an assistant nipping any nascent heresy in the bud before it spreads.
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>>5457813
And assist in nipping, rather. Damn me for a phoneposter and double damn autocorrect for making it so obvious.
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>>5457813
>>5457817
It would be swell yeah. I still have some of the proposals and theories on ways to culturally boost the living standards of our people, at least the hive worlders. I have no idea if such things will reach the Knight Worlders though but it is feasible.

The fuedal peasants are just in a tricky spot. They aren't in dire straights because of any real technological or supply dillema, we could solve many of their issues in a single day. It's all cultural limitations and the Knights prerogative to stick to a specific aesthetic, there's only so much we can do to improve their lives without effectively breaking the strict historical timeframe they want for them. We can't even subsizide or support them too much with food aid and supplies, because it will be readily apparent to the Knights that they are becoming more reliant on off world imports rather than 'self reliance' which is something they value (and admittedly something useful to us. If during a siege the food supply were to be cut off, that would be bad. Though hopefully we encourage a practice of having vast stocks of excess food on any planet at a given time)

Religion is probably the biggest thing going for us and the largest stabilizing factor.

I suppose ultimately, it depends on how much influence the Knights let us have on how they handle their personal holdings and peasant slaves, and the percentage of them that are actually noble vs the ones who enjoy their regular exercises of Primae Nocta and lording over them.
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Give them some knowledge
>>5456740
>>5456742
>>5456838
>>5456984
>>5457091
>>5456951

Veneration is enough
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>>5457352

I think this is it.
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>>5457874
Mine was veneration because of this talk
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>>5456749
>>5456755
I didn't think it was necessary to change the vote since you clarified. Sorry about.
But it doesn't change the result anyway.
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As TalOS spoke those words it struck down that judgment he could already feel the millennia of study that will be placed upon them. Though it would be with these thoughts that TalOS also knew the conversations of today would also be preserved in thousands of archives. His words will be struck in adamantine metal so that none will forget it.

+With that we move onto the next basis of our judgements and thoughts.+ TalOS declared as he beckoned the crowd back to him, +It is our understanding that the people who come to us wish for the Cult to take a more active role in their faith. While we do not give them mysteries and techno-sorcery many do not need that. What they seek from us is to be a guiding hand in their lives.+

+This has been something asked for even at the start of our Reconquest, when we met the Knights of Dutonis. They know that they are a part of our faith but we lack… a more intimate connection with them. I want it known we are not guiding like one would Apprentice and Master, but…+ TalOS felt for a moment as even he himself found it difficult to comprehend the issue, +A Datasmith and his Automatons.+

That was enough to get the point across to the people. A Datasmith did not teach their machines but guided them, giving them programming so that they may carry his will. It would be adequate for the moment.

With those words TalOS returned to the Servo-Skull that was at the table, the men around him nodding to his presence, +This is a trying concept my fellows. Rarely have we held ‘Mass’ or allowed converts into our Manufactoriums. But they wish for it, and if we do not give it to them it they forge their own heresy.+

+So… they wish to come to us? Do they not realize their manufactoriums are enough?+ Magos Spyro said as he too was confused, +I have no need for more personnel, and my fellows are as well.+

+I think that is our problem.+ Pointed out Magos Arius as he pointed towards his fellow, +These people seek enlightenment that only we can give them.+

+But… would it be suboptimal to devote time to them?+ Question the Magos Spyro outright, +But then again is the Machine God. To guide people towards his light would surely make the time commitment worth it. But then again how much are we to give?+

+That is what we are here to determine, Magos Spyro Trimyth.+ Answered Constil as he shook his head.
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This was a topic that did not immediately have an answer. It could not, for why would the Priests of Mars need it? Before everyone was a part of the Cult and understood that their lives were in fact the worship needed. Those days were gone though.

Let it be the Knights of Dutonis, a street Cop, or a simple vagrant; these men all needed another prescription. They were not directly a part of the Cult and thus their lives were not wholly devoted to the Machine God. As shown by the Knight’s abilities the Machine God blesses outsiders. Thus they should do this service.

Discussions were had at all stages and in all places. Let it be the forges or the streets Priests were trying their damndest to figure out what could be done. Many have even started raiding the data-archives for information of previously recorded faiths. Even the sanctums of Nobis Nobilite were infiltrated as Priests tried to get answers out of the terran born psykers.

Thoughts began to crystalize after the Priests began digging their data-shovels into knowledge databases. Schemes and ideas on how worship was were quickly examined and studied for compatibility. Such data-sifting was so prevalent that individual archives quickly gained notes longer than the archive itself with Priests trying to determine if this could be an adequate manner of worship or heresy.

One advantage of having this much research happening was patterns of understanding started to be created. Ideas were being completed and potential comprehension was being formed.

It was after this trial, which had taken several weeks of research, that the Council reassembled themselves. The rituals were finished and the floor was given to those who became popular voices in the examinations. In total there were six Priests just like last time.

+I believe everyone here has seen the possible proposals for worship.+ TalOS said as he looked around at his numerous fellows, +I want to thank each of you for reaching into the knowledge of ancients in an attempt to learn the Machine God’s nature in time past.+

+It is an honor.+ Said Magos Meletius as he looked at his fellows, +It has been hard though, considering that he is not all these gods. The Heresy of these Grekken creatures should be destroyed wherever they are.+

+Indeed.+ Magos Nazian agreed, +We have been led astray so many times before, we should not allow it to lead us astray again.+

+To think that at some point we thought the earth itself was a god, we were fools.+ M4X1M said as he felt steel within his voice.

Such a sentiment was felt through the entire hall when it was said.
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+I believe the first to consider would be the tradition of the Katholics.+ declared Magos Asch as he thought to himself, +They worshiped a singular deity and they were the ones to discover machinery in its first form. If that was the Machine God giving his subtle hand before the truth was revealed I would comprehend it.+

+They worshiped when they reached critical mass, correct? When they reached a great enough amount of people.+ Meletius asked as he tried his best to comprehend the terms and phrases.

+The Navigators corrected me on that one.+ Pointed out Magos Ayres as he fed everyone in the council information, +’Mass’ was a scheduled congregation, which would always occur on the first day of their week. It occurs every week, at the same time, for the entire year.+

+As would be judged by a clock.+ Pointed out another Priest, +But we do not have that time.+

+Then another rank of adept could be made.+ Suggested another Priest, +One whose sole duty is to guide those who only have flesh.+

Everyone thought to themselves of that, pondering if that was really a possibility. Such an investment would not be hard, and they could always just use their apprentices to operate that duty instead.

+In another land of Terra there were those who did not need mass.+ Pointed out Nazian, +Instead they were expected to worship at home to pay their respects and such. As I understood it a lot of work was done during their childhood to make sure they were able to fulfill this, but they were capable afterwards.+

+That could work, but then we would need to teach them when they are young all these trials. And when they are that young their labor is needed as well as possible enlightenment gained.+ M4X1M said as he rubbed his hands over one another, +When I lost my hands, that was the moment I realized the truth of our creed.+

+And that goes back to our previous issues, but this time we will not have their adults to care for them. We will be in charge of managing young humans. And they are not rational.+ a Priest pointed out as he hummed with annoyance.

+I think we can simply open our halls.+ A Magos named Oian suggested as he looked at his fellows, +If you are overwhelmed then prepare others to serve in that stead. If one learns maybe they can train eachother.+

>Give the people Mass
>Train up and set them free
>Open study when the chance is given.
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>>5457984
>Give the people Mass
Lot easier to find and route out heresy.
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>>5457984
>Give the people Mass
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>>5457984
>Give the people Mass
I think allowing Study is also a great option, an unchanging machine becomes ill-suited to its task but one that changes too often can't accomplish its job with any amount of efficiency, Orthodoxy must reach an equilibrium with Evolution.
I'd love to make the Confessionals from Priest or creating something like Indulgences but in a way that doesn't allow Heretics to buy their way into our good graces.
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>>5457984
>>Give the people Mass

Here:
>+As would be judged by a clock.+ Pointed out another Priest, +But we do not have that time.+
I understand this concern, but that purely comes from this priest not having time alloted for Mass. After a while this will be yet another rite and priests will work their schedule around it.

I wonder how will those Mass be "Today we gather to refresh our memory in the rite of defragmentation..."
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>>5457984
>Give the people Mass
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>>5457984
>Give the people Mass

>Other Ideas/Write-In Concepts:
>Creation of specific priests for the masses, the Lector-Videx who specifically preach to the masses of lay workers and lower level skitarii riding on large moving Abeyants and with blessed loudspeakers
>Encourage the use of large mechanical religious implements Ecclesiarchy/Word Bearer style; abeyants, giant walking organ instruments, mass cherubim swarms with incense bearers
>TalOS can himself pre-record holographic sermons for all occasions; entreatments for productivity, for obedience, for courage and faith in war, which can be broadcast on many of our planets
https://youtu.be/FoTwxckzErI

TalOS has given sermons from atop the Particeps Semper, why should he deny his own people the benefit? One day I hope we can even dedicate the Particeps as a Custodian Titan with a giant Devotional Bell to the Machine God made of blackstone, and carved with Anti-Warp runes, the opposite of the Bell of Lost Souls on Terra

We've shamed Fulgrim, now it's time to steal Lorgar's thunder!
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>>5458108
>inb4 Talos Creates Null Metal
>Names it Octiron
>It produces claps of Pure Silence when Rung
>Also drinks in light
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>>5458108
Of course our Spacepope primarch needs a properly accoutred Spacepopemobile to bring his Masses to the unwashed masses.
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>>5458122
Very based.

>>5458125
Yes! The Particeps Semper is a Cathedral, but he surely needs a transport no? Perturabo chose his to be a baneblade.

I have this wild idea of an Exorcist Variant of the Baneblade, one that fires Dark Age Singularity Rockets each keyed to a specific tune as they soar through the air, creating a mobile mass equally as effective in peace and war. For is there no better sermon more rousing and inspiring than that conducted upon the very battlefield against mankind's foes? Also with a seemingly limitless amount of either holy incense or phosphex.
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>>5458108
>Support
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>>5458108
>We've shamed Fulgrim, now it's time to steal Lorgar's thunder!

Won't this piss off Emps?
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>>5457984
>Give the people Mass
>Support the ideas here >>5458108
>+citizens who profess the faith can learn the sign of the cog, and wear a small undecorated cog like the aquila crucifix of post heresy imperium
Every imperial citizen knows the sign of the aquilla, first as a symbol of allegiance to the Imperium, then after the heresy as a religious ward. Our own Federal citizens should be able to do the same with the holy cog and wear it proudly around their neck. Those of properly ordained acolytes and priests will be more elaborate, and have the half robot skull to symbolize their ordainment into the cult proper.

I'm not sure where the idea that the Katholics 'discover machinery in its first form' is coming from QM though. We have examples of machinery from the greeks and romans. Is that just some historical degradation? Malcador wouldn't be very pleased we let history slip so.
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>>5458238
Almost certainly. However, listen to this audio recording of the Treaty of Olympus
https://youtu.be/_NNYI8VbFyY
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>>5457984
>I would propose a 'Mass' option, with the small addition that especially studious and pious individuals are given a chance to directly learn from Mechanicus individuals on a case by case basis.

Mass is the more pragmatic choice, we organize the leading of the 'Masses' by those capable and the adults can then teach their children the truths about the machine god themselves, avoiding having to teach irrational young humans. Of course this will take a lot of time, but is still not as big an investment as direct teaching to these children considering they would have to grow up before full faith can be achieved anyway.
The same is true for the reduction of Heresy, for that is the sad truth, that there will always be those trying to pervert the Machine Gods gifts. It will take time until understanding in the masses is achieved and that time can not be reduced by either option.
Now to the addition, having open the option for considered individuals gives the people something to strive for and these trained individuals can then become leaders of the Mass themselves once adequadely introduced. A new postion would have to be created for them, but LayPriest isn't out of the question, since they would only teach the flock and not actually employ themselves in the research and creation process, at best spreading preconsidered truths about the Machine Gods graces from the priests themselves.
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>>5457984
>Give the people Mass.
One of the reasons ancient churches were so successful in gathering worshipers was the free services they received, such as free food for the wretched.
Would it be possible to use these places as hospitals?

>Magos Biologis can heal many of the wounds a human can receive easily, even if they are apprentices, plus they are given so little room to shine.
>Or the basic mechanical improvements that they would already receive in the factories, that could be made in the temple so that people would come to associate mechanization with something sacred, not just a tool carved into the flesh.
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>>5457984
>>5458307
>support
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>>5458243
Oh look, it's the sound of our [superior speed of conquest and Mechanicum critical importance to the Imperium]
>>5458327
So like the Sisters Hospitaler. I love the idea, the lower ranks can get cybernetic improvements for their ailments that they normally can't afford thanks to the generosity of tech-nuns and tech-monks and other acolytes. Metal spines for aching backs, bionics for crippled arms, to maintain their productivity.
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>>5458356
Not sure why, I just got a mental image of a fellow going into complain about an ingrown toenail and getting set up with a pair of Raptor Style digitigrade cyber legs, then going out to preach to the people about how generous and beneficent the machine god is.
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>>5458108
>Support

Though I do note that specific promising talents amongst the congregation should be noted and given chance for advancement.
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These are all great ideas keep em up guys. Maybe QM can let this be the great moment where we can come together and decide many aspects about our religion to the masses?

For example:
>The Final Rites of Service/Commendation of the Dying before Purgatorium Servitium
>For terminally ill or wounded, or those to whom even rejuvenats can do no more, they are brought before a priest (or for nobles and prominents, a priest comes to them)
>The dying is cleaned and prepared for servitorization, blessed with holy oils and prayed to their final rites, comforted in the knowledge that all but the most mortal of sins can be forgiven through 'Purgatory Service', where by additional work they shall do until the 2nd death of the body they earn forgiveness for their sins in life. (Mortal or Unforgivable sins such as heresy are denied this, and denied the right to be made into corpstarch, the ashes discarded)
>This is seen as an even greater act of piety than being recycled into corpstarch, for even in death do they continue serve the Deus Mechanicus
>Nobles and other elites can become highly elaborate servitors, cyborg automata, or servo-skulls glad in gold to continue to serve their families

>The living are encouraged to pray to their ancestors who now serve even more in death than they ever did in life, free from the weakness of flesh such as food, sleep, and distractions, who work in the most grueling parts of factories and the battlefields so they do not have to suffer the same
>Establish a sort of 'Ancestor Worship'. Servitorization is slowly seen as a positive, and even desirable thing upon death
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>>5458356
Exactly! Nano has been trying to turn our people's grandparents into computers for at least five sessions in the quest, taking people's fear of cybernetic changes would be a good start to achieve this goal. After all, the cult will never have too many servitor's.
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I like the tech nuns & monks, gradual cybernetic introduction, and the servitor veneration ideas. Maybe we could have an All Saints Day or Day of the Dead holiday where servitors are proudly paraded for our people. Even the knight world peasants can get in on that.
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>>5458400
Considering how humans typically react to seeing their loved ones/dead, i would advice against that, since that could instead fuel resentment torwards those that make them.
There is a way to mitigate that, either do not use these servitors on the world they come from, thus denying the relatives a possible realisation of dread, or take that idea of light ancestor veneration by having them wear helmets/make their faces unrecognizable.
A facemask alone would do it, no one sees their grandfather drool while stuck to machines and with a vacant expression, instead its just an unidentifiable servitor like any other.
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>>5458536
Maybe keep it at ancestral servoskulls for
valued factory workers and servitorisation for sinners that confessed before their death. Maybe encase the servitors fleshy parts in decorated metal plating, like death masks, for good measure.
Normal manufactorum workers are made into corpse starch to nuture the next generations.
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>>5458400
On second thought, burning hereteks is still wasteful. We should just put them inside Thallaxi, as well as replace the 'punishment' of general servitorization with the specific threat of Thallaxization.

It may limit the number of Thallaxi, maybe, but then again as one of the 20 legions we can just petition the Imperium to start sending us our share of Penal Brigades from all the non-compliant worlds. Those whose crimes are not light and still unforgivable go to the Thallaxi, while those with lighter crimes can become Tech Thralls.

Fits the grim dark a bit better too.

>>5458536
>>5458684
Good idea.
>either do not use these servitors on the world they come from
Yes that was my original plan on how to improve the lives of our common citizens. We convert hive worlds away from industrial production and turn them into civilized worlds where denizens live a decent standard of living and raise large families and can pursue becoming more skilled labour such as acolytes, artisans, skitarii. Meanwhile, upon death, they become servitorized and we expend just a tiny bit of rejuvenat to keep the servitors alive as they work by the billions in the forge worlds and industrial agri worlds.

Can we actually pull that off? I don't know. I want to do that though as Logic Enjoyer pointed out, it would give us some nice moral justification to the masses by giving them hope and a reason to be loyal. And that could work in our favor. But it even depends if we can get the action opportunity push such an idea onto the senate, or at least have TalOS do some head math to figure out the pro's and cons and feasibility.

If we can't do that, and status quo must be maintained, giving them masks or helmets is still a good idea.

>>5458684
Most priests and nobles are at least accustomed to Servo-Skulls being an honored and befitting end and service, a skull is less horrific than the still living flesh. Normal Manufactorums should still become servitors for our factories and armies though, because we can just start to replace corpstarch with proper food from our agri worlds thanks to that super tech UZ1 discovered.
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>>5457984
>Give the people Mass
>I support the various proposed ideas from anons
If the people want religion, by the Machine God we are giving them religion. At least unlike Lorgar we aren't forcing them, we are accepting the Imperial Truth as an acceptable alternative.
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Lemme tally the votes/ideas:

Give the People Mass
>>5458008
>>5458022
>>5458039
>>5458044
>>5458074
>>5458108
>>5458205
>>5458242
>>5458307
>>5458327
>>5458336
>>5458384
>>5458781

Other ideas/concepts for QM approval
>>5458039
>Have priests be able to give confessionals/take indulgences
>>5458108
>Specific preaching priests (Lector Videx)
>Use of religious tools and platforms (Abeyants, Organs, Cherubim, Mass Incense)
>Pre-recorded Sermons and Propaganda from TalOS
>>5458146
>[Future Idea] Particeps Semper become a Custodian Titan? (Needs more blackstone research)
>[Future Idea] TalOS baneblade mobile preacher platform, like Perty's Baneblade (haven't found baneblade yet)
>>5458242
>Average citizens can learn sign of the cog for faith/allegiance and have lesser cog mechanicus necklace
>>5458307
>>5458039
>Allow study and studious/pious individuals a chance to learn (case by case basis)
Maybe something like a "Sunday School" or Katholic School perhaps. It gives factory workers a chance to learn important indoctrination and education where otherwise they wouldn't get to since they just work every day. A chance to look for very skilled ones primes them to become skitarii or acolytes
>>5458327
>>5458356
>Magos Biologis can give charity augmentations for the sick and feeble, to keep them productive (and avoid early servitorization/corpstarching for the crippled and unproductive who can't support themselves)
>Mechanization/Augmentation would be associated with something sacred, holy, not just tools carved into flesh
>>5458356
>Tech Nuns and Tech Monks and Acolytes forming Mech Hospitaler Orders
>>5458400
>Final Rites for Servitorization/Servo-Skullization of the dying
>Nobles get ornate frames upon death
>Encourage people to see Servitors as ancestor worship/veneration
>Servitorization is a form of Purgatory to work off ones sins and debts in life
>>5458467
>An 'All Saints Day' to further encourage the positive depiction of servitors
>>5458536
>Death Masks/Helmets for servitors, so the people are less offended by unslightly death
This is actually how Necrons do it too, btw. Seeing the actual corpse of the dead phaerons who didn't get necrotized is very taboo
>>5458738
>[Future Ideas] possibility that we can separate general populace from servitors, people live in hives with higher skilled labour or skitarii recruitment, servitors do more industrial menial work on forges/industrial agri worlds. Improve the overall standard of living as a result (people don't live on the smog worlds, focus on raising families and faith and fighting in wars)
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>>5458816
I would ask that one thing is added, at least as a possibility or basic foundation to our convert policy.
Namely that we, as our unlce malcador mentioned we only *accept* converts, *not* make them, let them come to us.
As long as we keep to that even the fragile alliance with the Imperium, their new Truth and most of all the treaty of Olympus will be preserved. Otherwise i can see them making a case against our, to be fair Federation dependent internal, policies.
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>>5458825
Abso-fucking-lutely. We will NOT make the same mistake as Lorgar by forcing religion down peoples throats.

And why should we? Isn't the merit of any religion on attracting people to come to it of their own free will?

The Imperial Truth will always be accepted within our realm for those who wish it. Bit of a 'People of the Book' type deal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book

>>5458816
>ADD: Specific protections for those who wish to take up the accepted alternatives to the faith, such as the Imperial Truth. Let none say that we disadvantage or discourage the right to accept our Creator's view of the universe
>This is also per our own obligations to the Treaty of Olympus
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>>5458830
Perfect, that goes even further than i suggested/thought off!
Better to be sure and expect some religious/cultural tensions on the Federation worlds than risk greater strife with our brothers, family and the Imperium at large.

If we are very careful with the wording, we could even allow/accept that via the somewhat hypocritical balance of the Emperor being the Omnissiah. But to be fair that isn't our burden to explain.
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>>5458825
Agreed.
"It is the greater heresy to take the unbelieving heart and make them say 'I believe!'. For it makes two hereteks, the one who falsely professes their faith, and the one who forcibly makes it so. The mysteries of the Machine God must be sought after, they cannot be forced upon the unwilling" ~ T4L0S DAV1S
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+I feel that is not what our people want.+ Pointed out Asch as he gave a small hum of thought, +The people want guidance, it is best we do it in a proven fashion.+

The others who placed forward their ideas had to think about that. They could feel within the subtle coding of his voice that he was certain and locked in. Such a force was something that TalOS knew was needed.

+But what shall we do about the outreach needed? Do we expand the cult?+ Pointed out one of the lesser named Priests.

+Forming a new organ will be needed.+ Magos Nazian pointed out as he thought of the trials ahead, +We will need orators to speak on our behalves, or schedule time for us to lead the sermons ourselves.+

+Both of those can be arranged.+ TalOS told his fellows as he was the one who can carry out the issues, +I believe it will mainly be a rank to be given. If we made a new overarching organization it would likely not follow our authority. They will have an organ, but they all must answer to their supervising Adept.+

+We can do that!+ Ayres admitted as he agreed to it, +But on what day shall it be set? Should it be based on Terran or Martian calendar?+

+As you stated the Katholics did theirs on the first day or the week, we should do the same.+ Pointed out Asch with a lean on the Ancients, +It shall be at the moment where the star is closest so that the Motive Force is at its greatest.+

TalOS monitored the rest of the Priests Assembled, seeing that they were agreeing with what was given on the floor. Thoughts and ideas were starting to migrate as everyone began to figure out the issues that were being presented to be defeated.

+Then we determine what will be taught.+ TalOS said, which set the entire congress of Priests for about a month of talking and debate.

Eventually though a curriculum was determined and resources had been allocated. Thus for the first time since its inception the Cult Mechanicus was now accessible to anyone in the public who had an interest in their operations.

+On the First Day of every week, when the Stars are at their highest.+ TalOS said as he gave his people a decree, +We shall hold Mass for the people, to guide them closer to the Machine God’s will.+
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As TalOS finished that decree he moved on to the last of the items, +These decrees that we have made today are to cause issues in our relationship to both Mars and Terra. Of Mars, I know we have satisfied them in our agreement to withhold knowledge from the people. I do not believe the same will come of Terra.+

It was to TalOS’s words that chatter began to carry itself through the halls. Thoughts and small debates were had even before TalOS finished his speaking, so he ignored them.

+I know what many of you think. The thoughts that the Imperium of Man would betray the Treaty of Olympus to be unthinkable. And that is true as the Emperor has guaranteed that the Cult Mechanicus would not be punished or persecuted within their society with us giving the same in reverse.+ TalOS gave out the formal thoughts as he brought it down to the item at hand, +But what we have done is a fundamental change. No longer will the Cult be isolated from the common man but openly welcome him into our rituals. I have seen the records of Terra and the testimony of those that my Creator conquered. Above all, he will not allow such expansion.+

+But he is the Omnissiah!+ Shouted the first Priest who spoke out of turn, TalOS realizing that it was Magos Arius.

Those around him were about to make the Priest suffer but TalOS raised a hand. To such a simple motion they obeyed, +My Brother, you must understand that my creator fights things that none of us shall ever comprehend. As one blessed by the Machine God he is fighting a war against all manner of Gods to take back mankind’s supremacy. He believes that the Imperial Truth, the Faith that he propagates within the Imperium, to be a tool in this great war.+

As TalOS said those words a great many Priests had their thoughts changed and ideas forged. TalOS was a Primarch after all and knew the words that his people both wanted and needed to hear.

+Thus I present to all of you this compromise, that outside the exceptions presented within the Treaty of Olympus, that none of us are to force this new faith upon our others.+ TalOS stated with a firm declaration of power, +If we do so we ultimately forget the true aims of the Machine God in lue of simply swelling our numbers. We venerate him not through conquest or numbers, but through our acquisition of knowledge.+

+So, will those of you agree with my thoughts? Shall we strike upon this edict that to forcibly spread our faith into the masses to be a heresy all on its own?+

>Yes, we shall do it!
>No, we will not limit ourselves!
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>>5458981
>>Yes, we shall do it!
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>>5458981
>Yes, we shall do it!
We'll reconsider this later. After the Horus Heresy. But it's a good policy not to fly in the face of the Emperor's demands and to obey the treaty. No forced faiths.
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>>5458981
>Yes, we shall do it!
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>>5458981
>Yes, we shall do it!
>we do still reserve the right to suppress pagan faiths and any that are incompatible with either our or Imperial society.
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>>5458981
>Yes, we shall do it!
Don't have to force anyone to join, being a priest is a fairly cushy job as long as you don't mind surgery
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>>5458981
>Yes, we shall do it!
Let them come to us. Besides, one of the biggest source of conversion in societal and trade pressures. Merchants will convert to get better deals, and subjects will convert to better fit.
The faith will spread. Slower than actively converting, but it will.
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>>5458981
>Yes, we shall do it!
We honestly don't even need the faith of the masses at all, this is just a pleasant bonus and proof of our superior path as children of the Omnissiah.
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>>5458981
>Yes, we shall do it!
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>>5458981
>Yes, we shall do it!

"For the righteous and the faithful shall come of their own accord, seeking answers from those who hold wisdom and whom can lead them further on the Path of Understanding." - TalOS DAV1S (Upon the signing of the "Truth; welcomed, not forced" edict)
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>>5458981
>No, we will not limit ourselves!
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>>5458981
>Yes, we shall do it!
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>>5458981
>No, we will not limit ourselves
While I agree people should come to us I don't think outlawing it as heresy is good.
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>>5458980
You know, I understand this is located on Lucius (and the federation) but oh boy Mars is going to have a word or two about this
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>>5458981
>>Yes, we shall do it!
We won't do the conversion. The Machine God does. hehe just like IRL
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>>5459143
Ahh! but you see, there is a difference between forcibly converting someone and just going out and speaking about the wonders of the Machine God.

Forcing someone on the path of understanding will ensure that the forced recipient won't ever truly commit to the path with all their being. Their service and faith will be half-hearted and false; simply a facade and shadow of what it truly should be.

On the other, a priest who goes out and simply speaks about the wonders that the Machine God holds and what the Path of Understanding may lead to, will not move all people, but will ignite the hearts and minds of those who it resonates with. They will be of the true stock; they will be of true faith and zeal, giving their all to the cause of understanding.


Therefore, it is a great crime to make a waste of what others could more efficiently use. To this, simply spreading the word via experience and knowledge is much more effective than via the sword and evangalizing, with only the later option being a forceful type of conversin, where as the first one is simply a passive spread of information; not active conversion.


TL:DT; We can rules-lawyer this shit when the Emp's isn't looking
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It's simple really. Are you:
>Highly Skilled and practices tech-arcana
>Wants to Join the Cult
>Has not committed Tech-Heresy proscribed even by Imperial standards (AI, Cloning, etc.)
Welcome aboard.

>Highly Skilled and practices tech-arcana
>Does not want to Join the Cult
>Has not committed Tech-Heresy proscribed even by Imperial standards (AI, Cloning, etc.)
You will be referred to the nearest Imperial Iterator, forswear any former pagan faiths, and profess to the Imperial Truth. If you accept supervision, you will be permitted to stay as an Imperial Scientist under the Administratum and follow the stipulations of the Treaty of Mars. If you do not accept supervision, you get a one way ticket outta here - probably to Sol. Let the Administratum deal with you.

>Highly Skilled and practices tech-arcana
>Does not want to Join the Cult
>Has indeed committed Tech-Heresy proscribed even by Imperial standards (AI, Cloning, etc.)
IT'S THALLAXI TIME
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>>5459185
Also even if you do decide to leave the Federation we reserve the right to confiscate any and all technologies and information as per the Treaty of Olympus, before you are on your merry way. Just a quick brain scan is all it takes.
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>>5459156
>Forcing someone on the path of understanding will ensure that the forced recipient won't ever truly commit to the path with all their being. Their service and faith will be half-hearted and false; simply a facade and shadow of what it truly should be.

The whole fluff of the mechanicum is that a little snip here and an entertaining hypno movie there do wonders with compliance. I think that contextually, forcibly spreading our faith falls short on abducting people...
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>>5459216
See but there's a thematic difference from making someone willingly profess the faith, and forcibly servitorizing someone to send them to the front lines.

The latter is protected by Imperial Law as a necessary activity in the purview of the war effort. Even the Imperium does it.

Totally different!
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>>5458981
>Yes, we shall do it!
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>>5459216
I mean, the Mechanicum already abducts people. Either those who are fit for becoming servitors or Princeps are instantly kidnapped.
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As I said before I will be traveling these next few days. Updates are going to be shorter than normal and my IP is defiantly not gonna carry. So I wanted to let you all know. We will be back to normal Sunday and likely will not have these kind of hiccups anymore.
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>>5459304
Well "kidnapped" is such a hostile word! "Mandatorily Recruited per Imperial Law" with great compensation and honour for the princeps family sounds better.

As for servitors, well, vagrancy is a crime per Imperial Law and servitorism is a suitable community service for it.
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>>5459318
Well said. If they can't find a way to put themselves to the Omnissiah's purpose the Mechanicum is quite willing to figure it out for them.
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TalOS listened to the people as they gave their affirmations and oaths. Each and everyone of them confirmed to the Primarch that he was indeed right about his thoughts.

That of course did not ignore those who did vote against him. TalOS would not worry about them yet as they did not break any rules going against him. But they will be watched for if they did start spreading the faith on their own initiative then that was going to be a problem.

Soon the results were in though, +Let my following words be struck into metal for all to remember. To those who purposely spread the faith of the Cult Mechanicus in lands that are not directly owned by the Cult Mechanicus, let them be Anathema.+

And with those words safety was brought to the planet, at least a short safety.

In both the short and long future this event would be remembered within the mass databases of the Cult Mechanicus. Many Forge Worlds would look upon this assembly and either affirm it or not, finding themselves in need of these trials even upon their own planets.

In the future when one attended Mass, they were created by the Surrogate. A person who can be described as a mouthpiece to the Adept of whom they served. Their ranks was filled with people who their adepts found amenable to standard humans, and whose duty was to guide others instead of looking at the mysteries directly.

Their Manufactoriums would soon be filled with people. Faith being a rare commodity these days and one which took to the populace like wildfire. Though attendance was not maintained by quite a few, doubly so with it not being enforced, but many remained knowing that their prayers might actually be heard.

An odd effect that happened was the subtlety noticeable migration to the Federation. As the Imperial Truth was not placed at its ultimate goal, those who had fleeting faiths heard of the land of the Machine. Those who did not care much for the faith of others and instead the tithe the people give them.

These populations were there, some even trying to convert others to their cult. While you can follow your own faith the Cult Mechanicus did not take too kindly to those who might lead their cults astray. People were people after all, and it was made clear to outsiders that the Federation was a place where your faith will only die in peace instead of the brutal war the Emperor brought. Only the Imperial Heralds who came of their own initiative were immune to this, but they quickly found that the Mechanicus was not like other faiths. Their miracles were real, at least when a common man looked upon it.
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TalOS looked upon the results of his most recent experiment with a small ounce of excitement. Information was being loaded into his databanks and he was waiting for the results to finally come in. As he did so he looked over towards Vera, +You can move now.+

+Thank you.+ The Pariah said before walking away from the target area and going to her Father’s side. She then picked up a small cable and jacked it into her skull to get the same information readings he was.

Data was slowly thrown into her mind and the girl’s eyes widened as she saw what was being seen. An image captured by a human brain through human eyes that once belonged to a psyker. Said psyker was currently trapped in a metal container surrounded with psi crystals that were keeping him alive and semi-lucid at this point in production.

+Is that… what is that?+ She asked as images of herself were being seen.

+That is, if I am to believe it, your soul.+ TalOS said with excitement.

The study of blanks was a long and arduous one. Many theories were being tested and failing but few were as concrete as what TalOS was looking at now. Normally when a Psyker looked upon a Blank they would see a massive torrent of darkness that forever tried to eat them whole. But that was not the case here, for TalOS had used the many lessons learned on Xana to hack into the brain of the Psyker.

What TalOS saw was a perfect mold of a person, the lines exactly where Vera existed. He noticed that even her bionics were contained within this ‘outine’ which was likely because her soul had synched with the Machine Spirits. TalOS then had the Psyker remember what he looked like, which while not black like Vera TalOS’s form, was almost the exact same. His soul encompassed where he was, though slim slivers were traveling to where TalOS guessed his sons were.

+This confirms it, that Pariahs are not souless but those who bare souls.+ TalOS declared as he looked upon the systems, +If that is the case, then it is scenario 12, that a Pariah’s soul is simply not connected to the Warp.+
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Such words were powerful with realization, but Vera had to ask, +What can be done with this information?+

+Normally, souls are connected to the Warp.+ TalOS informed her as he disconnected himself from the Psyker’s brainmount, +These souls feast upon the essence of that realm. It is not that we need souls to do actions like we do, but its how our species and many others have adapted to sustain our minds. Without the blessing of Machines, when a normal person is cut off from the Warp, they will die.+

+But then how am I alive?+ She asked with a moment’s confusion.

+Several reasons, but first and foremost you are getting your fill from the area around you.+ TalOS informed her as he began walking to another cogitator, +There is an ambient flow of force flow of psykana going through the Universe from a region east of here. Many have described it as a tear in reality into the warp. Next, I believe that your souls have simply been lucky. Attempts to vat-growing Pariahs has yield little results, which makes me believe that there is a high likelihood of your kin becoming still-born.+


+Oh, is that so.+ Vera stayed there silently for a moment, likely out of shock. TalOS did not blame her for those realizations were hard to deal with.

+In the end, now we know the cause of Pariah Syndrome. If we know the cause we can reverse it.+ TalOS said as he sat before the cogitator, +I think I know what we can use, but we need live subjects to test it on and a place where one can easily tear through the Warp.+

+So the machine you will design will be on Xana?+


+Either Xana or Terra, but Xana will be better since it's both out of the way and has the resources.+ TalOS said as he began his designing, +The Xanites will need to do test after test before they are possibly confident we can do this. But when they do, we will be blessed.+

With those words TalOS got to work, Vera cleaning up the workshop with a bit of solemnity in her heart. She understood the why, but she did not fully comprehend what TalOS wanted from gaining what she had.

>>Choose a task to do as Xana Experiments.
>Fixing the Astartes Geneseed
>Going on a search for a small enclave.
>Modifying of Servitor Standards.
>New Tanks for the Astartes.
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>>5459537
>Fixing the Astartes Geneseed
Damn you QM, making me choose between our sons and nanomachines.
In the end I believe this is more in line with TalOS
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>>5459537
>Fixing the Astartes Geneseed.
We owe it to our kids for a while now.
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>>5459537
>Go on a search for the Enclave

It's broken, but the geneseed will keep ticking on over.
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>>5459537
>>Fixing the Astartes Geneseed

We promised this and we showed Fulgrim that we stand by our word, doubly so if family is involved.
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>>5459537
>>Fixing the Astartes Geneseed
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>>5459537
>Fixing the Astartes Geneseed
We will not be our Creator, we shall be a better Father
>Inb4 our Sons resurrect the tradition Old Terra once held, Patris Dies
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>>5459537
>Fixing the Astartes Geneseed
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>>5459537
>Going on a search for a small enclave.
I am obligated by name to vote for this, but fixing the geneseed is good too.
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>>5459537
>>Going on a search for a small enclave.
What, the 2nd has a gene problem¿? No it doesn't.
Instead, if we go and find for this small enclave... oh boy
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>>5459732
The anger anon. It's because of the connection with Particeps Semper, but we are fixing it by messing with the geneseed
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>>5459754
Luckily it's not as urgent or as dire as say the Red Thirst, the Wulfen Curse, or the Butcher's Nails. Because our boys already seem to have come with cultural expertise on how to handle it, our religion teaches on the importance of logic over emotion, and as a last resort we have suppressants. A relatively mild geneseed issue compared to our brothers.
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Truth be told, something else we could do specific to Xana is the creation of the Arlatax robot, which was also canonically invented here, unless we already have it.

Imagine the Ursarax, but bigger like the Domitar, better at melee and it's still able to jump jet and fly.

Well, I'll just hope that Xana will still make it with or without us. Xana is better for blank research really.
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>>5459537
>Going on a search for a small enclave
Captcha: warnjd
>JD watch out
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>>5459537
>Going on a search for a small enclave.
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>>5459537
damn you, You know we want nanomachines but we can't not fix our sons.
>Fixing the Astartes Geneseed
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>>5459537
>Fixing the Astartes Geneseed
Let's be a responsible father anons.
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>>5459537
>Fixing the Astartes Geneseed
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>>5459537
>Going on a search for a small enclave.
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>>5459754
>>5459761
So T4L0S "fix" is severing the psych link he has with his sons. Or that's what we discussed threads ago, to my dismay. But at the same time it seems the motive force took hold, which T4L0S felt when he meet with all his sons and did a speech
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>>5460115
It's inevitable one way or another, if we didn't fix it at the geneseed level, the link would be severed when Tal0S goes null or however he plans to severe his connection to the warp.

We also have the benefit that we don't have to worry about any unforseen side effects, or at least we have a control example against the contrary. The Acillians do not have the psychic connection with Tal0S like the astartes do, and they act just fine. Sure, maybe the Astartes have a little bit more ferocity in them, but eh, ferocity is overrated when your strategy is materiel warfare. As we have seen against Fulgrim's sons. And we have ways to induce ferocity anyway, if we so wished.
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>>5460138
Thinks it's gonna be severed, lol.
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>>5460223
This action is specifically to sever. Don't assume it's gonna be naturally severed.
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>>5460223
>>5460226
So if we don't server right now they are going to be affect by the change? I'm now curious what would happen.
>>5459549
Changing to
>Going on a search for a small enclave.
Because mystery
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>>5459537
>Going on a search for a small enclave.
QM bought me with "the link might not be severed when Tal0S goes null". I have no idea how that's even possible because we've literally seen that nulls are just souls disconnected from the warp, but I want to see the result before we make any sweeping 'fixes'
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>>5459537
>>Going on a search for a small enclave.
The infantey can go cry about their geneseed and daddy issues along with their blistered feet and ammo shortages. Let's go do some Science!
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>>5460234
This guy gets it, QM is trying to bait us out of the shiniest option by appealing to our parental feefees. Please let's not be lulled into passing up the optimal choice.
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>>5460238
Just think if it's a good idea or not. I just want to stop people from thinking it's automatically going to be severed if ones soul is ripped out.
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>>5460241
Your concepts in regards to nulls and blanks is being revealed piece meal, aren't very easy to intuitively deduce from original 40k lore. We have no conceptualization how its possible that Tal0S soul being severed/disconnected from the warp wouldn't also translate to the same psychic connection being severed with his sons. Unless you mean to imply he also somehow has an empathetic or quantum emotive connections with the astartes.

Without adequate information, what is or isn't a good or bad idea becomes difficult to decipher.
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>>5459537
>Going on a search for a small enclave.
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>>5460294
Well you fellows have a night and most of tomorrow, maybe it's time to start putting forth theories on what might happen.
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>>5460321
Eh, hard pass. Theory crafting for days based on partial information only to just be proven wrong when we get a revelation that's completely 180 is the path to frustration and madness. Better to rely on intelligent deduction from an in character person and perspective, like say, a primarch.

We arent Magnus so we cant read minds and you've already said wherever you plan to go with blanks is something you've thought about seriously and not necessarily what happens in canon.

Most importantly, we have time. Or at least we should have time, the 'problem' with our sons isnt very severe, they were already handling it well even before our intervention, and why wouldnt it be better to make a decision later with more concrete info? I hope we arent taking up huge chunks of time with each of these decisions.

The Holy Method of Discovery of the Machine God says: "Gather thy data prior to making a hypothesis"
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>>5460334
The most obvious proposal would be to ask the creator questions before making changes like this, seriously how much would it cost to go to the Palace and ask him questions about everything?

The defect we created, our solution, the defect of the red hen legion. As much as we can get out of him in a conversation. it's criminal how little emperor we had in this quest, yes I know we rejected him but the motherfucker doesn't even try another approach, at least not directly.
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>>5460294
From what i can see, its not that difficult at least with the information from the latest update.
It is stated that a Null/Blank/Pariah has the same soul outline as a normal person, with one difference, it is not connected to the warp.
TaL0S compares that to normal souls that are connected to the warp, to fuel their own existence that way. In contrast the blanks to do the same suck up soul stuff that is around them, likely produced by the Eye of Terror leaking warp stuff into the galaxy.

Now, when he looks at the image of himself, has visible strings in direction of his sons. That shows the connection to his sons is *not* through the warp, but purely in the materium! A connection that has to be maintained by the primarchs soul, that is the main reason why they have such strong souls and the comparatively stronger connection to the warp.
The connection is likely produced by sharing a bit of their engineered soul together with the geneseed, so that every astartes has a bit of their primarch fused tot heir own souls to facilitate that souls growth (To be honest, that is speculation on my part). The important bit remains, the connection is not through the warp, and is maintained by the soul of the primarch.

If we deconnect TaL0S soul from the warp, without severing the connection, we chance that a few things might happen. I could think of three so far:
1. TaL0S soul, being much bigger and stronger than a humans starts to consume the soul stuff around him to sustain itself and more importantly the connection to his sons, likely eating numerous souls around him, before starving and dying.
2. His soul can not do that and simply starves itself to maintain the connection and then dying.
3. This version is the most nasty one i can think of. His soul, desperate to sustain itself reverses the connection to his ons and leeches their souls out of them until they are but husks, dying in agony all the while.
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>>5460610
I have to add something to what i wrote. Namely that TaL0S is still wearing his blackstone amulet, at the very least to maintain his sanity by not being confronted with the warps screams.
At the same time we get told that there is a clear connection going out from TaL0S soul in various directions.
If that connection were directly maintained by the warps energy the blackstone amulet would cut it.
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>Going on a search for a small enclave
Our sons can fix themselves.
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>>5460610
Wow, first fellow to give it a try too.
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>>5460642
Not are brutal though, that would be scummy.
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>>5460642
>>5460643
I am not sure how to take this, but thanks i guess?
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So souls need the warp to sustain themselves but too much warpstuff may dissolve a soul (does that happens when people die? Yes, they are assaulted by warp predators that are not necesarily chaotic, but I wouldn't call it a stretch that they get dissolved. So I wonder, are souls warp stuff? A little piece of warp inside of everyone, so to speak.

What I understand head cannon, if you will is that blanks have souls and they are the same as non-blanks with the difference that this souls are hidden or cut off from the warp, having this effect propagate in a field around the blank yadda yadda and normals are compelled to get away or to kill the blank probably because it is the soul screaming AAAAA I AM BEING CUT OFF FROM THE WARP.

The first psyk test T4L0S did that was with a nomal brain showed that the brain (soul) fed from background psyk radiation and the blanks do the same. So it is not a feature unique to blanks. The idea that blanks eat the souls of the normals is just an interpretation that we give to our soul's anguish

> Normally when a Psyker looked upon a Blank they would see a massive torrent of darkness that forever tried to eat them whole. But that was not the case here, for TalOS had used the many lessons learned on Xana to hack into the brain of the Psyker.

What I expect is that T4L0S will succed in cutting himself from the warp, similar to how he already does through his use of blackstone but this will be done at a fundamental level, having his soul itself hide from the warp. I don't know how strong of a blank he will manage to become, maybe as strong as an average silent sister? hopefully greater... there is also the chance that T4L0S manages to wrestle his soul under his control and can switch or direct his blankness, supressing it to avoid killing people just by being there. You could say the soul is *us* but also something deeper that controls our impulses. T4L0S would become the first to completely OWN his soul. Then he starts to own other souls and become chaos god lite lmao no? okay
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>>5460730
And about his link to his sons. That is a psyk link fundamental to him thanks to his father's engineering. You could say that is a feature that only happens here in the materium and has little to do with the warp as a whole, even if souls ARE warpstuff. T4L0S going blank won't cause this link to be severed. Maybe there will be a LOT of anguish from his sons because this link is now making their souls go AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I AM BEING CUT OFF FROM THE WARP NOOO I WILL DIE HELP AAAAA but that is just a feeling. If the astartes learn to wrestle this feeling then they will persevere.

A good summary is:
>Blanks have souls
>Souls feed from background warp stuff
>Blanks do not feed MORE than normals
>Blanks existance makes normal souls seethe
>People are compelled to get away or kill the blank because that's their soul telling them to
>T4L0S eats more warpstuff because his soul is a big boy
>T4L0S won't eat more warpstuff if he manages to become a blank (wrestling his soul into submission, managing to hide his soul from the warp) you think we can get a cool scene where T4L0S is meditating and he faces his inner demons and fights against SHADOW T4L0S? Recurring trope in shows I know
>T4L0S link to his sons is engineered and only tangentially related to the warp
>If T4L0S becomes blank and the link is still up, his sons will SUFFER.
>Only the sons that are able to wrestle their souls (strong psykers and those with the greatest augmentics) will survive this.
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>>5460730
>>5460735
I largely agree, the only thing i would say is that maybe souls dissolve only slowly in the warp and only after their container (read body) is broken/dead.
That is the reason why astral projection is possible and why people on ships that lose their gellar field don't all immediatly collapse, but instead get torn apart by demons.
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>>5460735
I don't think our sons will die if we don't cut the link, QM just said it would be scummy if it was that brutal.
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>>5460752
well the chiron lanterns would be snuffed BADUM TSSSS
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>>5460610
>but purely in the materium! A connection that has to be maintained by the primarchs soul, that is the main reason why they have such strong souls and the comparatively stronger connection to the warp.
The question is "how is this possible"

The only examples of a connection via the materium are Quantum Empathy, which very specifically do not operate off of souls or psychic willpower.

This would be some sort of Motive Force effect that no one, perhaps not even the Emperor nor the Necrons, have ever heard of before.

What is more feasible given the examples if canon is that 'severing' TalOS soul is tantamount to feeding it to the Void Dragon, because we aren't trying to have his soul be free'd from his body like Magnus that's a psychic ability and he does that often. In theory this could have a ripple effect ala Slaanesh/C'Tan type deal where by giving up TalOS soul to the Void Dragon, and the rest of his sons being linked to his soul, it gives them power over it.

The other question is how will altering the geneseed at a genetic level fix this. It is theoretically possible. The Emperor very much only works in the realm of the psychic, so if Geneseeds create a psychic connection to their user that would be his handiwork, and we can't even blame Chaos this time. This non-psychic soul connection is possibly someone or something elses doing, like the Void Dragon when he gifted us, hijacking TalOS soul and then working its way into theirs?

We know that Nulls are the result of the Pariah Gene OOC, so perhaps there is a genetic connection between a beings soul and their body with or without the warp.
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>>5460789
I am not quite sure, but the image of the soul-body 'outline' suggests that the souls is contained only in what the individual considers 'their body'.
So severing his souls shouldn't feed him to the void dragon, even if the C'tan would want that at this point, which i doubt.
Instead it would start trying to get what it needs to sustain itself, but likely only if we also introduce the pariah gene into TaL0S, if ultimately that is what determines the switch in 'soul feeding habits'.

Btw, considering the warp is full of 'soul stuff' and demons/the big 4 somehow feed on it, is it correct to assume its either soul excrement or just shredded soul?
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>>5460797
>suggests that the souls is contained only in what the individual considers 'their body'.
Mhm, that 'silver thread' that Magnus says is what separates the living from the dead. Psykers can momentarily disconnect from their bodies, but are always linked by that psychic cord to it. He dreamed of being freed of it, to roam in his pure soul form. Well, as a Daemon Prince after being killed by Russ, now he is. I guess it all depends exactly how we severe our soul, because Magnus way isn't it and the only other way I can think of is the fires of biotransferrence. Which ended up just being "feed the C'tan your souls".

>even if the C'tan would want that at this point, which i doubt.
Primarch Souls are probably the singularly most juicy and delicious things in the Galaxy, and the C'tan love to eat. Plus they gain power when they eat, so its feasible a shard would want us if the option were there, potentially sparing our lives as a means of maintaining its influence. Probably not something we may actively want, but who knows.

As for humans 'feeding from the warp' the Brain is described by a C'tan as the "Immaterium-Materium interface" and the Old Ones called it the 'sea of souls'. It's likely that souls are just made of etheric energy. Maybe the way Nulls feed off the warp is in such a disruptive or hidden way that entities therein like demons are anathema to it, and it disrupts even other normal warp functions and technologies. Not that far off from the 'Shadow in the Warp' effect of the Tyranids who also disrupt normal warp function through the effects generated from their minds
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So all we got to do is find the time to fix the gene seed (and improve on it) before we decide to go blank. I say we do that next time we get a research vote.
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Here's a million dollar question for you all too:
How can we replicate the Null Grey Knights?
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ferrymen
The example given in was long exposure to the 'dead fields', a region of natural null energies. But we've tried long and slow exposure to our psychic sons and haven't been able to replicate the effect.
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>>5460854
I might actually have an idea about that, if it is true that the Eye of Terror leaks 'soul stuff' into the galaxy the concentration of it would be much higher around cadia and crucially it is also true that the cadian violet eyes are a result of this, then souls might be able to get 'overcharged' by warp energies/soul stuff.
In that case, the opposite might be true as well, the souls of the Ferrymen after staying in an area of intense Null Energies for a very long time could get 'starved' to the point that, while still connected to the warp they immitate pariahs by need for sustenance alone. The only thing keeping them alive being their more powerful souls and incredibly durable souls, like due to their connection with the Big E.

The main difference would be the extra Emperor connection and a longer time, compared to our sons on Xana.
All this is pretty much specutlation though, gotta wait before we get more information.
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>>5460908
argh, misstyped something
>incredibly durable *bodies*
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>>5460854
But anon, we have 2nd legion psykers being tortured in null fields as we speak
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>>5460943
Yes and it appears we received direct confirmation that psykers can't be switched through long exposure, at least IIRC from some revelations of TalOS reviewing that experiment.

Maybe it takes more time than we thought and we need patience?

>>5460908
Hopefully time will prove us right.
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>>5460500
It's bonkers he hasn't spoken to us since the rediscovery at at all and we're five Primarchs in. Even Khan gets a bit more time with Emps than us. He didn't even see fit to visit us when we were on Terra with Malcador. He hasn't even begun the Webway project yet, so what is he so busy with? TalOS would never complain because, well, he's a loyal instrument to his creators will.

It would have been nice to be the material opposite of Magnus, staying in communication with him through technosorcery rather than psychic bond, and helping him directly with his super science projects.
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>>5461088
If i might make an educated guess, then i think it is because he is genuinely disappointed in what we have become.

Here is a man/pseudo-oversoul that absolutely HATES the concept, nay the very idea that mankind would be shackled to some ephemeral and/or cruel God and has done A LOT to ensure that he can remove that idea from the human consciousness. He has made a... undefined number of Primarchs to make that a reality (there is no knowing how many prototypes he made before he made us) and this final culmination of his ideals is then ripped from his hands and thrown into the cosmos, making him have to go out and look for it, and what does he find?

He finds us, TalOS, a worshipper of the Machine God. The exact opposite of what he wanted us to be. So, he comes to us and says "sonny, stop following this stupid shit and jion me, 'cause Mankind is way cooler!" and even use some of his Psyker powers to help ensure that TalOS will follow him and what happens next? We refuse!

There you are, big E yourself, THE Fuckmothering Emperor of Mankind and general godkicking badass and you just got rejected by your son. What the fucked are you supposed to do now? He ain't following one of the four dicks in the immaterium and seems perfectly willing to help achieve your dream, he just doesn't agree with you on the god thing. What do you do?.. Well, you leave him alone until he needs you, of course! Until he sees his ways are wrong and... wait a minute what is that?.... He did what in how short of a time?... and he still follows the Machine God?.... Whelp, that's a bummer! let's just leave him to it, i'll deal with it whenever i've got the time.. whenever that is *Sigh*
That, is what i think is the reason why Emps hasn't visited us.
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>>5461140
Also, just to add a short addition to this, by the canon he is:

- An Anxiety Monkey
- A literal Schizophrenic (all Psykers are)
- Has a personality disorder of immense magnitude (soul is composed of a LOT of pre-historic shamans, whom each had/has their own agenda and opinions)
- Trust issues (there are... so many instances where this is apparant, but the big one is the Horus Hersey, which could have been averted if not for said aforementioned trust issues.)
- Has major relationship issues (His wife was.. an interesting woman and Big E himself was not better with his parenting skills.)
- Lacks empathy (He loves Mankind, but does not love Man)
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>>5461159
Don't forget that he is a futurist, he sees and works torwards a grand narrative to realize in the distant future, he himself *can* reach due to his immortality, but like every futurist he fails to realize that the road he is driving on so fast has a speed limit.
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>>5461159
I believe the authors heavy hand too much in the recently released lore, the emperor not being perfect makes perfect sense, but for god's sake.

He has been alive for almost twenty thousand years, in addition to creating the Empire and being the only real threat to the existence of the four parasites in the history of the galaxy.

The new lore makes the emperor look like a lucky idiot who could easily be defeated by just one of them. Because of that, I have my reservations about the things that are coming out now.

And as for Tal0S's situation, Malcador wouldn't have revealed everything he shows us without the Emperor's approval, he's just avoiding us for no reason.
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>>5459537
>Going on a search for a small enclave.
I believe the Blank Research we are doing now, and further research into the Pariah Gene, should be finished before we fix the geneseed.
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>>5461193
Oh i agree, in the new lore Emps is being treated like shit, which is sad, but my points are based on the old Correct lore, except for the point about his wife, that one is new.

Also, what kind of fucking name is Neoth?

Are you seriously telling me that the Giant Golden Awesomeness that is the Emperor is called fucking Neoth? Get that shit out of here!


With Malcador, i think it is a mixture of us actually being a pretty decent person that Malcador can respect, that we have opened up about ourselves to him, asked for help with our secret project and give heed to his counseling. That, and that Emps probably also said that we were okay.

Also the Emperor has reasons for avoiding us, they just aren't very good ones.
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>>5461193
No, he has a really good one. The Mechanicum.
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What's the chances we will encounter even a single Sensei in this quest, and thus massively propel our understanding and research of blanks?

Imagine meeting one of our actual, other immortal step-brothers.
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>>5461230
So is about the balance of power? On second thought, it makes sense, depending on how much our legion grows, the cult can have equal footing with the Empire.

By the way, didn't you say that today there would be no update due to lack of internet?
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>>5461209
Bro the idea of a being like the emperor having a wife shouldn't exist in the first place, but not only that this woman ,never mentioned before, is powerful enough to spread her "children" across the galaxy without getting caught?

That alone says a lot about the competence of the authors, but the worst is the reason she does this, "He is a warlord who was going to use my children as tools", HOW DID SHE NOT REALIZE THAT BEFORE?

I really like the universe a lot, but this kind of thing makes me suspicious of everything new in the hobby.
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>>5461282
I agree, GW dropped the ball HARD when they tried to flesh out the Emperors backstory and the lore of the Horus Heresy.

I, personally, find the book "Master of Mankind" the worst offender of them all, as it was written by a writer that has gone on record to say that he hates the Emperor and think he is stupid. Just think about that... The main author of the fucking MAIN SOURCE book about the Emperor... is written by a person that HATES the Emperor.

Whatever GW is smoking, i want a pound of it for myself so i can understand their thought process when they greenlight that shitshow.
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>>5461282
Yeah, despite all the efforts in propelling women forward and that yes they can etc and the writer pulls this amazing woman out of their arse and in the end? She is emotionally driven and did stupid shit because women. Good job writer
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Fixing the Geneseed
>>5459581
>>5459606
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>>5459652
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>>5459937

Search for the Nanomachine
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Its the search for Nanomachines it seems. Well, you fellows know what you voted for.
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>>5461289
After the end times, everyone should already know that GW sucks dicks.
Besides, they have been shitting on the Emperor for a long time, since the Last Church at the earliest.
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>>5461383
Someone check to make sure I counted right. As for updates today I have a very short one made.
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>>5461383
I hope you don't mean to say it's a now or never choice. Are we strapped for time? The choices seem like they were a continuation of the previous round.
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>>5461383
>Well, you fellows know what you voted for.
Well shit, now I'm thinking the severing is going to be bad for our boys.
Atleast now you don't have to throw away the plans you had made, like you sad when the idea of healing them first appeared, right?
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>>5461387
That's because I wanted you guys to have a chance whether to work on your son's or not. You decided not to.
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>>5461383
We voted to try one of the four things we want to get done during our (well earned) respit of peace time. If the order matters, it wasn't specified, but does anything stop us from eventually pursuing them in turn?
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>>5461392
But why? Why is it a now or never choice?
Why should any of them invalidate the other?
I thought we would have more time and flexibility in the reign of peace, just deciding which item on the list to do next, but it feels just like we're still every bit as strapped for time as we were at war.

What about the other three options? Are they locked away from us forever.

What have we done to warrant having so many of the things we want to do become "you can pick only one the rest are locked away"
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As the de facto Lord of the Federation TalOS looked upon the numerous transactions that the Federation has been spending up till now. For the last several years TalOS had been funding the Federation with a series of spoils as well as a true subsidy from Lucius itself. These were to be expected and were all within the metrics that TalOS had devised.

The main issue now was that they grew large and policy was made. With the purposeful subsidy of luxury goods like Rejuvenation Treatment and the investment into Agri-Worlds, TalOS watched as the numbers decreased by a single digit place. There was a deficit in their spending because of everything they were giving out.

What is sent out of the treasury must be put back in. It is always best to have a surplus occuring in your accounts so that when a greater event comes, such as a realm threatening war, that one can spend funds to rebuff the issue. If one’s finances were in dissarray then damnation will quickly follow.

So TalOS looked at the numbers. Everyone who was a member of the Federation could pay more in taxes and tithes. It will hurt them though and it will be impossible to hide the true value of taxes from those you are taking it from. It will be felt.

But TalOS knew that loyalties needed to be maintained. If he were to do a blanket taxing of everyone, while noble, would simply anger the entire Federation against him. He needed to pick and choose who he would skim funds from to make sure the issues were resolved.

So, a decision needed to be made.

>>I assume I do not need to explain -1 to whoever is taxed.
>Tax the Nobility
>The Knights pay their Tithe
>The Priests

Current:
Oops, I forgot this:
Nobles: 7
Priests 5
Knights: 6
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>>5461398
For the picture, Imagine that EU4 thing about a comet.
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>>5461398
>Tax the Nobility
MONEY
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>>5461396
It's not really now or never, but circumstances will soon change.
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>>5461398
>>Tax the Nobility
>Taxes are payable in Mechanicum Scrip, or at an exchange rate of human bodies, calculated by the amount of work the additional servitor populace will provide
What's more valuable than money? Factory workers that make the money! We own the means of production, now we just need more producers. The more people working our factories, the more we will manufacture in surplus, and then we can sell that surplus for additional funding.
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>>5461398
>tax the Nobility
They can take it
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>>5461398
>Tax the Nobility
>New labour from the hives are an acceptable payment substitute
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free - I will put them to work". T4L0S DAV1S

It would be wise to encourage the hives if they want to avoid paying in coin, they can pay in flesh.
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>>5461398
>Tax the Nobility

the nobles must now give their dues for services rendered
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>>5461383
ominous
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>>5461398
>>Tax the Nobility
Well we did a choice that gave the nobility a +1. Time to use that +1
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>>5461398
>Tax the Nobility
>Accept hive serfs as a form of taxation, as per the Imperial Tithe we have a Federal Tithe
The paradigm will need to shift from obtaining funds via taxation, to the majority of our income being the result of our superior production and eventually trade. The Imperium's game is taxation from its vast territories, our should be a cultivation of manufacture. This is best accomplished by accepting from the nobility, serfs and commoners as substitute payment for thrones, who through working our factories as servitors will increase our production values far better than any short term gain from wealth taxation by itself. By now there is a huge demand for the Russ Tank, the Tartarus Frigate, Lucius Pattern Titans, and other superior Federal products, so increasing our factory output will result in greater profits. A throne will only go so far, but a man will work his entire life (and post servitor life). This is of course, not different from the Imperial Tithe system whereby planets can pay both in currency and in fresh bodies for recruitment.
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>>5461398
>Tax the Nobility
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>>5461398
>Tax the Nobility
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>>5461398
>Tax the Nobility
>Accept hive serfs as a form of taxation
I think its mentioned that there's so much variety of currency in the Imperium, that goods, resources, and manpower are often accepted for value exchange.
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>>5461398
>Tax the nobility

They are the reason we have a deficit with the subsidaries. So they can foot the bill.
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>>5461398
>Tax the Nobility.

It makes sense, feudal worlds contribute with military aristocracy. Cult worlds contribute with the industrial base. But hive worlds are only consumer markets, even if the factions opinions were different I would still vote for this option.

My question is why aren't we making products for the Empire? With the industrial density we have, this would be the obvious answer. Even before we change the tax policy, importing raw materials and exporting finished products would solve our financial problems basically forever, producing weapons for a government warring across the galaxy seems an extremely lucrative market.
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Current stats:
Nobles: 6
Priests 5
Knights: 6

As for the coming post, you guys wanna do Vulkan or the Plague of Madness (Null Nobilite)
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>>5462470
>Plague of Madness
Sounds more interesting than just hanging out with every primarch in existence.
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>>5462470
>Plague of Madness.
We have a lot of projects, finishing one of them would be nice.
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>>5462470
Plague of Madness.
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>>5462470
>Plague of Madness (Null Nobilite)
The to-do list is is still massively underdone.
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>>5462470
>Plague of Madness

I wish we could spend time with Vulkan, but there is just too much to do.
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>>5462470
>Plague of Madness (Null Nobilite)
This isn't another now or never moment is there? Can we do Vulkan later - Horus, Russ, Fulgrim got to visit without us having to pick between a major life goal. I'll be damned if the pretty boy took up our last free spot for a brotherly visit, he's fucked us if that's the case.
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>>5462525
I'm frustrated that we only had three free visitations from our brothers and we didn't realize we would use them up. Should have never invited Fulgrim to Lucius and told him fuck right off so we could spend fun times with our based tinker bro.
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>>5462470
> Plague of Madness (Null Nobilite)
tfw Fulgrim took up the last free Primarch spot and now we have to pick between visiting our bros and important matters in our severe shortage of time. Fuck Fulgrim. Before I just laughed at him, now I legitimately despise him. It should have been Vulkan.
>>5462479
Hanging out with your brothers and the interactions is one of the highlights of any primarch quest.
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>>5462529

Yeah i fully agree, i wanna spend time with some of our more technologically inclined brethren (be that Ferrus, Vulkan or Perturabo), get to learn them and how they think and make sure they know we are on their side through thick and thin..... Actually, that gives me an idea..


I am just going to throw this out here, but can we make sure that we do our best to make friends with Perty? He is THE major reason why the Heresy went as far as it did and all of it could have been avoided if one of the loyalist primarchs was friends with him. So, can we ensure that we become his bestest bro for life? please.

Also, if nothing is going to change the introduction of Perturabo, he is going to become the designated siege master/shit-dealer of the Imperium and is going to need supplies, which we could supply. That'll give us both a big in with Perturabo and ensure that the Imperium sees us as actually helping them in their most bloody battles.
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>>5462574
Machine God help us that Perturabo's discovery doesn't coincide with one of our many major goals, thus forcing us to pick between one or the other. Honestly, if we're this strapped for time even after conquering a subsector faster than Khan, I have zero doubts that Perturabo isn't justified in his lack of time excuse.

Look at how much TAl0S scrambles to get anything done as years go by even at peace and with all his resources, we've hardly scratched at any of the things we set out to do and have to discard some cherished dreams. There's no way we could even do what we did if we were at war. Perturabo being stuck on campaign depriving him of the ability to build up Olympia is 100% justified.
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>>5462569
Meeting the primarchs is always good, but in the other quests it seems anons will always pick that over anything else, no matter how important.
But Angron has been saved in both, so everything is forgiven
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>>5462587
Yeah, there is a lot of shit talk from a lot of people in the fandom that say "Perturabo could have followed his dream, he had all the time to do it, he was just to bitter to see it and is a hypocrit", when the man had NO TIME at all after he was found. The only time he had for himself (and even that is somewhat debatable) is when he worked together with ferrus and found a way to actually make a perpetual motion machine, whereafter he was near immediately thrown into the battlefield with his legions.

Think about that.... The short amount of time he had for himself, he found an actual usable way to make infinite energy! Sure, only he could built it, since it required a lot of precision to make sure the damn thing worked, but think about what he could have done if he had the time to improve on the design and make it possible for regular humans/transhumans to build it.

Spaceships that don't need to refuel their plasma reactors.
Tanks that never need to stop driving.
Infrastructure that isn't dependent on a finite source of energy.
No need to have giant fleets of ships wandering the galaxy, collecting gas they can turn into plasma fuel.


He had so much bloody potential to improve everything about the Imperium, but he didn't have the time to focus on those things, 'cause he was stuck supplying and fighting endless sieges. Sieges are some of the most brutal environments when it comes to logistics, because everything is liable to be lost through enemy action, being used up or simply breaking down via the environment. He had to dedicate all of his attention to ensure that he could continue his duty and he had to do it alone, since he had no one to supply him or help him.

I will admit, Perturabo did make some stupid decisions (Like decimating his legion when it was given to him), but the man/Primarch was dedicated as FUCK to doing his duty, no matter the cost. The only reason why he even defected, was because he had been in endless sieges for literal centuries, all on his own with no help and no praise.

Perturabo; The Primarch that could have improved everything, but got made the Shit-dealer(Siege legion).
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>>5462603
hopeful if we become the quartermaster we can help him out.
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What is that? everyone laments that we didn't get enough time to interact with other primarchs yet they choose to reject the war council and now they don't want to meet vulkan? Prottery
>Vulkan
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>>5462470
>Plague of Madness (Null Nobilite)
if we only have 3 free visit's I'm saving the 3rd for pert
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>>5462607
>tfw
We unfortunately appear to have dropped our call to be quartermaster earlier. This was 100% justified, because we are at beast maybe 5% done with everything we would like to do for the Federation. Maybe later, when we have accomplished the building of our own Empire, they will give us another chance. If we're struggling to squeeze every moment for the things we want to do for the federation, it would be even worse if we had to deal with the Imperium's logistical problems. I think that's also a good reason why the 2nd best logistician, Roboute, never picked up that role either. He realized he'd have to give up Ultramar for it.

Perhaps it is for the best that Horus be War Master after all, he has no empire to care about but the Imperium. Cthonia never ruled large swathes of territory.
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>>5462609
It's a terrible thing to waste our limited chances to build up the Federation just to visit our brothers or go to a war council from which we can never return. There's no feasible way the endless task of organizing the Imperium's resources itself would ever allow us any time to handle the Federation's affairs.

Consider that it took an entire council decision just to decide what day of the week to worship on, and there were like 10-20 other items on the religion reorganization list. And this is with TalOS already trying to direct efforts.
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>>5462612
yeah but apparently mars and terra are still in talks about that so we might still have a chance.
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>>5462624
It all depends on how much we can get done with the Federation before the window of opportunity to be quartermaster closes. I just wish we could do like with did with our sons, make a big list of directives, propose them to the Senate, then have the peace of mind knowing that TalOS has laid out his plans for the Federation and at least his subordinates can get to work on it. I thought we could do more of that this thread, but it seems we're still stuck on single item handling. We had a chance to knock out a lot of the religion things that way but it ended up just being a vote for the day of the week and also not forcing others to join the cult by force.
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>>5462470
>Plague of Madness (Null Nobilite)
Focus on your goals to achieve them. We can't ignore the chance to see the planet where the canon sisters of silence originated.
>>5462627
That would be wonderful if we could do something like that again. I was under the impression it was how it would be handled in this thread since it's focused on the Federation. Doing list agenda was one of the best things QM did, because other than the geneseed it basically handled all the desires for upgrades to our sons and many of T4L0S upgrades too.
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>>5462529
You are wrong. This vote is only for order.
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>>5462653
>only for order.

QM i could kiss you!
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>>5462660
Do it.
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>>5462653
Thank the Machine God and thank you QM. It's hard to tell sometimes because you usually prefer 'one or the other but not both'.
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>>5462653
Thanks QM. That's a big relief.
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In the end it will be the Nobles who shall pay the price of taxation. Whatever benefits they are to receive from the Federation shall be obfuscated as they are really paying for these effects. Damning as it were for the immense popularity that TalOS had been enjoying up till now.

But that was not the place of a ruler. If one simply works for the popularity of others he will not get anything really done. Policy, as with all decisions, would be weighted with an examination on the balances of benefits and detriments. It's just the introduction of popularity is something that would tip the scales in some other direction.

With those decisions the work continued as scheduled. TalOS continued to study and begin perfecting the order of things. He was approaching ten years of power and TalOS counted a quarter of the allotted worlds transformed into what he knew were powerful agri-worlds.

The irony this caused was not lost on TalOS, as while the lands were ruled by a member of the Mechanicum his most powerful export was becoming the grain produced in these places. But that trade was not heavily regulated or taxed, so TalOS could not really see the proceeds from it just yet.

He would not either. He saw that once these goods hit the market and the common citizen saw their costs of living drop they would consider the chances of having children. If enough benefits and certain tactics were used TalOS could cause populations to explode.

A subtle change here, the need for child labor here. Families were focused on needs and if he could engineer the same needs agri-worlds had then he could cause an explosion the magnitudes of which will not be replicated. And in doing so, TalOS forsaw that the planets taken back from the damned Mitu Collective would be removed.

As he saw this happen TalOS watched as two projects began to gain ground. His study of the information Malcador gave him was quickly being used to track down this lone martian colony and he was close to it. A route however needed to be secured and paved before TalOS could consider traveling to such a wayward location in the galaxy.

It was nearing the end of the 2nd decade, turning towards the 30’s. It was at the end of such a time that TalOS received a summons from Malcador the Sigillite, with the note on it expressing its relevance to their project.
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The planet was known as Pentacanaes, a modern world that served as a base for numerous operations that would ferry materials from Mars towards the far ends of the galaxy. Such a place was needed as the Warp Currents were still rough and time was needed out of the warp for recovery from both machine and crewman.

The planet was a green place thanks to its odd flora upon the planet. Airborn photosensitive planets that turned that bounced around the planet like floating balloons. These caused a lot of the normal radiation to hit humans to be blocked as they floated aimlessly through the air.

This allowed the humans on the planet to live semi longer lives. The only issue being that this planet was once infected with a series of megafauna that were all killed when the Emperor discovered the planet. Such was a price that no one can have a perfect planet lest it was crafted by man’s hands.

As indeed yes, the same plants that scattered the planet were ripe with easily combustible materials. Thus it was a luxury place where men could relax rather than a place for industry.

TalOS stood next to Malcador and a series of Custodian Guard as they all watched the screens from a vid-recorder on the planet. It was complete terror upon the planet as people were throwing flaming bottles of alcohol and stabbed their fellows with wicked knives. TalOS had a moment of horror as he saw a brutishly large man raise the skull of a murdered woman into the air.

As he did this, his entire cohort roared in approval at his actions.

“News that the world was lost to us occurred Eight days ago. We learned from several Astropaths, those of which that were upon the planet were lost.” Malcador informed the group as they looked upon the carnage, “It saddens me that we were this late, but as their first deployment we were within acceptable margins.”

TalOS ordered the vid screens to continue changing so that the Fabricator General could see all aspects of the fight, “I have yet to see this in the midst of happening. I have only seen the aftermath. It is just as horrible as I imagined, with the exception that these people were not willing to make sacrifices.”

Malcador stayed silent after TalOS spoke those words. Silence in both the respect of the dead and the brutality of the actions that were occuring underneath them.
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It was a Null in the room, Lord Quitin, who finally spoke, “Do we have permission to move in?”

“There is no question about that.” TalOS answered the Null while still studying the terror that was happening below, “We are here to determine how this will happen.”

“We cannot risk this to get out.” Answered Malcador as he looked towards TalOS, “I ask that we release them with the Custodians as support.”

“Would that give us an accurate measurement of their ability?” TalOS asked as he looked forwards Quintin, “Do you feel confident your force can put down the planet?”

“We can, if we are given permission to destroy buildings and infrastructure.” Answered the Pariah outright as he shook his head, “But we do not have the numbers to take them all. Not yet.”

“I would like to recommend my Proelitor, but I do not want this to be a show of their strength either.” TalOS admitted as he thought about it more and more, “What if we employ Knights?”

“The Small Titans your Forge World employs?” Malcador asked for a moment’s clarification.

“The same. Quintin, would you be willing to serve with the Knights if they act as armored support?”


“It would be my honor to, but I know that such forces will only lead to more destruction.” Admitted the blank as he eyed the numerous cities on the planet, “I think the Legio Cybernetica would be our greatest support, if TalOS allows us this blessing.”

“Not a bad idea, and the Automatons will not care like Skitarii would.” TalOS admitted as he looked towards Malcador for a coming decision.

>They shall fight on their own
>The Custodian Guard!
>Proelitor
>Great Knights of Dutonis
>Legion Cybernetica
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>>5462801
>Legion Cybernetica
Time for the robots to shine.
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>>5462801
>The Custodian Guard!
And
>Legion Cybernetica

Have the custodians stay back and act as a personal reserve/guard for our most valuable troops (i am extrapolating that we will send down some nulls) while we have the Legion Cybernetica do what they do best; removing the enemy. This should ensure a relatively clean battle, while also ensuring flexibility via the Custodians (since i am unsure if automata will be able to act appropriately when faced with unknown variables, such as daemons/psykers/cultists/others).
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>>5462801
>Legion Cybernetica
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>>5462801
> Custodes
Lets keep this hush hush.
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>>5462801
>The Custodian Guard!
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>>5462797
>counted a quarter of the allotted worlds transformed into what he knew were powerful agri-worlds.
>his most powerful export was becoming the grain
>once these goods hit the market and the common citizen saw their costs of living drop they would consider the chances of having children
>>If enough benefits and certain tactics were used TalOS could cause populations to explode
>>> he could cause an explosion the magnitudes of which will not be replicated
We did it lads!
The Agri-Worlds! UZI's Discovery! The Pop Gains!
Fuck yes, that makes those decisions way back when so very, very satisfying.

PRAISE THE DEUS MECHANICUS!
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>>5462809
>Support
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>>5462801
>Legion Cybernetica
So requested, so shall it be done. This will be proof of concept that where the flesh of the mind falls to madness, the immortal machine remains sane. Especially when paired up next to our nulls.

It's a great combination because it's far more difficult to possess or infect machines than men, and even more so with nulls at their side.
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>>5462801
>>Legion Cybernetica
Org chart slots for bots. Lovin' it
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>>5462801
>Legion Cybernetica
>+Include the Custodians if we can allow it (Malcador asked this).
>They can handle critical targets and emergency evacuation of high value personnel, the Cybernetica can suppress the general populace.
Time to see if we can care for our nulls better than the Imperium did the OG sisters of silence.
>>5462836
It's a very pleasing result indeed, I'm glad that QM is showing off the fruits of our labours.
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>>5462801
>Cybernetica

Give them head hunting missions
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>>5462801
>Legion Cybernetica.

Sometimes I forget they even exist.
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>>5462836
Now we will be able to colonize all uninhabited planets within the federation, of course the ones that can be colonized.

Now we just have to improve the living standards of these people, so we will have a large enough domestic consumer market to increase our independence from the rest of the galaxy.

Little by little we will have a functional kingdom on par with the blue boy one.
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>>5462801
>Legion Cybernetica.
They should have the least Problems working with nulls
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>>5462799
>Airborn photosensitive planets
I am just messing with ya
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>>5462801
>>Legion Cybernetica
I agree, this is good. The datasmith's will have a bad afternoon but what can we say...
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>>5462653
Thank you QM.
>>5462836
Isn't it great? Can't wait to see the massive population surge too.
>>5462938
Don't forget we need to make sure we have >500 worlds by the Horus Heresy. Bonus points if we can call it "the Thousand Worlds of the Federation"
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>>5462809
>>5462872
>Supporting Legio Cybernetica + Custodes for Vital Targets (if QM allows)
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>>5462849
>Also supporting the inclusion of a small Custodes task force to rescue high value persons >>5462809
Can nulls be bad enough dudes to save the Planetary Governor?
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The Cybernetica
>>5462804
>>5462814
>>5462849
- >>5463248 - lol
>>5462870
>>5462884
>>5462932
>>5463133
>>5463187
>>5462872

Both
>>5462809
>>5462843
>>5463248

Custodians
>>5462830
>>5462835
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>>5463328
uhmm, QM some of those you put in The Cybernetica option voted for both, also you missed some votes.
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>>5463332

The Cybernetica
>>5462804
>>5462814
>>5462870
>>5462884
>>5462932
>>5463133
>>5463187

Both
>>5462809
>>5462843
>>5463248

Custodians
>>5462830
>>5462835
>>5463248
>>5462872
>>5462849 & >>5463294

I think this is it. Does not change the vote though.
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Cybernetica
>>5462804
>>5462814
>>5462870
>>5462884
>>5462932
>>5463133
>>5463187

Both
>>5462809
>>5462843
>>5462849 + >>5463294
>>5462872
>>5463248


Cuckstodes
>>5462830
>>5462835
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>>5463337
yeah, you right it didn't change the outcome of cybernetica winning (>>5463340)
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>>5463340
Im bad at it today it seems.
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Eh not too big a problem eitherway.
No custodes means we can just break out the big boy bots to go and save the planetary governor!

Or uh, put him down if he's beyond saving and go save whoever is next in line.
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Malcador thought to himself for a time, likely weighing the future outcomes and needs of the Imperium. For all TalOS knew, Malcador was looking into the future trying to find some fate that will befall the planet depending on their options. None of the options were good though as they needed to burn out the planet with the risk of destroying everything else there.

“We shall use the Mechanicum’s Automatons.” he finally declared with his search of foresight completed, “There are some there that we need to have recovered and I will have Custodians gather them. TalOS, you may release the weapons of the Ordo Reductor upon this planet.”

TalOS gave a nod as he heard those words, “They will think highly of you Malcador to place their Ordo above the Custodian Guard.”

“Let them think that. We need the planet intact so it may continue to be of use after cleansing.” Malcador finished as his vision returned to their display.

“Quintin, ride forth and eradicate these fools.” TalOS ordered the Null Lord with the tone of a born leader, “You will see the Ordo Reductor already in their positions when you get there. I have notified them of their duty.”

“I will tell the rest.” The Null said as he gave a bow to those in the room, “We thank you for this chance to prove ourselves, Lords! We will not let you down.”

“I know you will not.” Answered TalOS as he made a hand motion, “Now go.”

“Understood!” The Null announced before quickly running out of the room.

“It has been over ten years of planning for this moment.” Malcador said as he gave a small sigh and called over a service servitor, “Now we wait to see the results.”

“Then you cannot foresee the results, uncle?” TalOS asked as he grabbed a drink from the Servitor.

“I cannot, and seeing into the future is not where I focus my sight upon.” Answered Malcador as he took a drink of wine, “Whenever I look ahead I am always fearful that it leads to thoughts of prophecy. And Prophecy, well, it is not sound for the mind.”

TalOS gave a solemn nod to those words, “I cannot understand, not yet.”

Malcador looked upon TalOS with an inquisitive eye, but said nothing as they watched the first actions of what they created play out.
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The planet was like a parody of what a normal imperial world should have been. On an Imperial World the roads would have been paved and buildings built out of reinforced concrete. Men and women would be walking the streets without fear of either starvation or sudden death from forces outside of the planetary scope of things. There should have been minor commerce with vending guilds competing against one another to try and get the best price possible out of each other.

At the very least, in a world with this much population, the streets should have been lively.

When the Null Nobilite landed upon the planet that is now what they saw though.

Instead of clean streets and Imperial Engineers making sure life was well there were streets ripped apart. Many of the buildings were replaced with effigies to false gods or the streets with gaping mauls in the replacement of potholes.

People did not walk in safety, instead running as they were prey for the motorized cultists who acted as predators. These men laughed as they impaled a woman by the chest and held her high for everyone in the area to see. With a flick of his weapon he sent the corpse flying into the nearest toothy maul where that woman’s soul was lost forever.

This is where Lord Quintin landed, his hatred already ignited as his feet landed upon the ground. He could taste the Warp Energies in the air, as it tasted just like the planet of Xana. It was deathly powerful and threatened to overwhelm him if he was by himself. But he was not by himself as numerous Pariahs landed next to him readying their bolters and swords.

“FIRE!” Shouted the Pariah as swung his sword down. The bullets came rocketing at the riders causing many of them to explode on contact. Many more of them came around though and shrew slugger shots in their general direction.

Quintin and his team did not move for cover though as slugger shots were either absorbed by the Refractor Fields or Armor they all wore. Instead they charged the rider with weapons drawn and ready to fight.

The Pariah felt joy as one of those riders came close enough to him to feel the nullification effect. The man’s face quickly turned deathly pale before Quintin drove his sword through the vandal’s face and ate his soul.
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What was an open war quickly turned to urban combat as many of the cultists realized that facing the Nulls in open battle resulted in their final deaths. As if the Evil Gods knew it, many of them were losing blessings that once gave them so much more power above their common mortal friends and family. Such a great price they paid only to have their bounties taken from them in an instant.

This meant hiding and staying, which meant systematic eradication. Such was the proficiency of the Ordo Reductor and their robots. What might have caused so many problems for unequiped armies was quickly driven to a science as the Tech Priests scanned each building with Auspex and Psi-Sensor systems.

These devices quickly identified those who were hiding, whether it was through sorcery or through mechanical means. These areas identified Robots and a Null were sent in to clear these rooms of their occupants.

At times it was considered useful the Ordo Reductor employed dangerous gas agents that were ignited to bring a sizzling end to those who thought themselves safe in number. Some others thought their walls would keep them safe which was disproven as jetpacked robots scaled the outside of their buildings to deliver precision plasma into their rooms.

With each Cultist dead the planet was slowly taken more and more back into reality. But as they crawled into the sewers, where it was determined many of the cults first lived, a Tech Priest looked at his Auspex confused.

“Update; Auspex interference occurring. Psi Sensors detect high levels of Psychic Energies estimated to be equal to the Catastrophe.” Declared the Xanite Priest as he scanned the area.

“Are you saying there are Warp Entities beyond these doors?”

“Yes, Lord Quintin.” Answered the Priest with what the Pariah could only describe as a shudder. To think that he would see one of his mentors shutter.

>Contain all areas and try to flood the sewers
>Send in the robots to such up the attacks
>The Nulls shall go in.
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>>5463390
This is an incredibly apt image for this scene (and the scene is good too) kudos QM.
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>>5463391
>Write-in: Contain every exitpoint of the sewers and ensure that no warp predator escapes from the sewers. After this, send in the nulls with automata support (smaller automata in front to soak up damage, nulls in the middle and if it fits, castellans in the back). Make sure that everything in the sewers is searched through in the standards of "breaching and clearing", AKA CONSTANT VIGILANCE!! when the warp beast is found, make sure that there is no less than a dozen nulls near it when it dies, to ensure(hopefully) it suffers a "final death".
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>>5463405
So Robots first, got it.
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>>5463391
>The Nulls shall go in.
Flooding the place will only spread the demonic influence through the fluids, God only knows how much time we will have to waste purifying the sewer systems. Sending the robots alone would risk demonic corruption in the holy machines, absolutely out of the question. I believe that even if they suffer casualties the soul eaters are the best solution to our problem.
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>>5463406
yes

if the warp beast truly is "estimated to be equal to the Catastrophe", then we are dealing with an Exalted Greater Deamon. Losing a few automate to it first is fine, but losing our anti-warp weapons(Nulls) before they can even do any lasting damage would just be a shame.


Also, quick question QM, but would the presence of enough Nulls ensure that a Deamon would suffer a final death if they were killed?
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>>5463408
>Sending the robots alone would risk demonic corruption in the holy machines
why not send down a mix of automata and nulls then? it's what i proposed >>5463405
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>>5463391
>The Nulls shall go in.
It shall be their greatest test.
ONWARDS TO GLORY! DEUS MECHANICUS!
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>>5463391
>The Nulls shall go in.

Null's are built for this shit, And the Robits can make sure nobody else escapes.
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>>5463414
Because if only the soul eaters enter there will be no friendly fire, if the demon decides to focus all his power on corrupting just one of the war machines we will have many casualties, many more even than if only mortals enter.
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>>5463391
>Send in the robots to such up the attacks

>Other/Write In (whichever points you consider valid QM):
>Consult the ship based protocols of Warp Infestation from Gellar Field Penetration, there may be a Warp Presence/Daemon on the other side, as per the Cult Mechanicum's understanding of it
>Ensure the robots have been blessed with Oils and sacred Prayer Scrolls, per the rites, and bless their promethium.
>Flesh must be vaporized and destroyed, so that the Warp Daemon Virus does not corrupt it as a vessel
>Robots will protect the Nulls who will fight from armored positions, if possible from armored vehicles such as Terax Drills and Termites able to bore through the earth

Just drowning the cultists will not help here, and it may even help the enemy as it counts as a sacrifice. The nulls see the true physical form of the demon, past its psychic aura, it is made of the flesh of those it possesses and consumes. If we mimic the holy protocols of Gellar Infestation and purgation of the Warp Entity, it will do us well here. Burn away the tainted flesh, and use the presence of the Nulls to block further phenomena
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>>5463425
>More references
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/adeptus-mechanicus/Terrax-pattern-Termite
These things are heavily armored and equipped with meltas, flamers, and volkites and specialize in subterranean warfare. Exactly what we need for this sewer battle.
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>>5463425
I like this plan.

QM can we do a combination option where we shield the robots with Nulls projecting their aura? Also application of holy oils and canticles are probably warranted here too. We'd be very bad techpriests if we couldn't bless our machines before battle like, well, tech-priests.
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>>5463414
its assumed, but who will have more prevolance.
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>>5463425
>Supporting this
It's a good strategy. Nulls should be used like psykers, they arent supposed to be used for hand to hand combat if you can avoid it but protected for their aura.
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>>5463391
>The Nulls shall go in.
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>>5463425
>>5463427
>+1 Support
Iirc the actual Sisters of Silence use a Kharon Pattern Acquisitor transport, with all kinds of anti-psyker tech and armaments, so its fitting for them to ride into battle in heavily armored transports.
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>>5463391
>>The Nulls shall go in.
They better fight a GOOD battle!!! Faces against deadly foes is how they will develop their blank powers...
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>>5463391
>The Nulls shall go in.
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>>5463391
>The Nulls shall go in.
>+elements of >>5463425 >>5463427 strategy using armed breacher drills and machine god blessings
It's a good plan, though I think QM can narratively focus on the nulls. The Automata can travel with them as backup anyway to do the fighting.

>>5463390
>bolters and swords
Surely we would arm our pariahs with volkites too yes? We barely even use bolters in the legion.
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>>5463391
>The Nulls shall go in.
>These are good points to consider >>5463425
Also unless their bolters are equipped with some sort of null metal get our pariahs some proper energy weapons please.
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>>5463391
>>The Nulls shall go in.
>prepare the custodes to potentially intervene to eliminate the threat if the Nulls fail.
What might be the nastiest test of their abilities and potential awaits them, i hope it will work out.

I am curious how TaL0S and Malcador view each other and stand to each other.
- Malcador would be interested in TaL0S potential and has already proven a lot of trust, that he hopes will pay off
- he is however careful and weary of what he does *not* tell him, since he notices even without his powers that he is hiding something, something that worries him.
- He is already emotionally invested in the relationship, both due the uncle thing, him caring for the Lanterns and now teaching UZI.


- TaL0S has a lot of respect for the age, status, intelligence, power and most of all the experience of the sigillite.
- Despite this, he has not divulged anything about the Machine God and his revelations, so clearly there is some potential conflict brewing
- The loose family connection is important to him and he sense that it is the same for the much older human
- He has trust in Malcador, he gave him responsibility of his sons and for the teaching of UZI, both of which mean a lot to him.
- However he does realize that both of them keep secrets from each other and accepts that which shows a greater emotional maturity than some of the others in his shoes

My immediate thoughts on the matter, would be curious to hear what others have to add.
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>>5463725
Bolters should be using psy-ammunition like the
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>>5464160
You mean psyk out ammo. Maybe when the pariahs shave they burn the hair into ashes to mix into the bolt shells.
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>>5463391
>The Nulls shall go in
>>5463405
>>5463425
>>5464156
>some good tactics to consider (like a single custodes in reserve. Just in case)
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>>5464160
Xanathine Prosecutors
>4‑9 Prosecutors M7" WS3+ BS3+ S3 T3 W1 A2 Ld8 Sv3+
>1 Prosecutor Omega M7" WS3+ BS3+ S3 T3 W1 A2 Ld9 Sv3+
>If this unit contains 6 or more models, it has Power Rating 6. Each Prosecutor is equipped with: Psyk-Out Boltgun. The Prosecutor Omega is equipped with Master-Crafted Psyk-Out Boltgun

WARGEAR OPTIONS:
>Every prosecutor can replace its Psyk-Out Boltgun with one of the following: 1 Volkite-Charger, 1 Eradication Ray, 1 Plasma caliver
>The Prosecutor Omega can replace its Master-Crafted Psyk-Out Boltgun with one of the following: Master-Crafted Eradication ray, Master-Crafted Volkite-Charger, 1 Master-Crafted Plasma caliver

>>5464167
Of course. The reason they all wear topknots wigs is that their hair is shaved regularly for psyk-out munitions.
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>>5464211
if we're going that route maybe add psycannons as an upgrade or squad heavy weapon option
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>>5464360
Great idea, although I think calling them "Nullcannons" would be better. Statwise the same profile as GK-Psycannons, but lorewise they fire Anti-Psychically charged munitions rather than positively charged psychic munitions. Which fits because it's mentioned in canon the failed Pariah Project included 'attempts to develop pariah specific weaponry'.

In general I feel like an expanded Null Nobilite (SoS) list could just be modeled off of Adeptus Sororitas units. They are after all the closest thing to humans in standardized power armor and funded and equipped by an extremely affluent religious church (the Mechanicum)

Null Nobilite Retributors
>4‑9 Retributor M6" WS4+ BS3+ S3 T3 W1 A1 Ld7 Sv3+
>1 Retributor Omgea M6" WS4+ BS+ S3 T3 W1 A2 Ld8 Sv3+
>If this unit contains 6 or more models, it has Power Rating 9. Every model is equipped with: Psyk-Out Boltpistol; Psyk-Out Boltgun; Psyk-Out grenades; krak grenades.

WARGEAR OPTIONS:
>Up to 4 Retributors can each have their Psyk-Out Boltgun replaced with 1 of the following: Nullifyer, Nullcannon, Multi-Melta, Heavy Psyk-Out Bolter
>The Retributor Omega can carry 1 weapon from the melee weapons list or 1 Null Rod
>This unit can have two Armorium Cherubs

>Nullifyer (same stats as Psilencer)
>24" Heavy 6 S4 AP-1 D1

>Nullcannon (same stats as Psycannon)
>Psycannon 24" Heavy 3 S7 AP-1 D2

>Null Rod (same stats as the Null Rod from Inquisitor)
>Melee S-User AP-2 D-1
>When resolving an attack made with this weapon against a PSYKER unit, this weapon has a Damage characteristic of D3 for that attack.
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/inquisition/Inquisitor-Legendary-
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Null_Rod
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>>5464391
We can also give them some Paragon-esque Warsuits surely. Nothing but the finest for our beloved Null Nobles.
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Oh, it's like a cuter version of the Dreadknight!
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>>5464412
You bet. Who says the Tau are the only knows who know mid sized combat suits?

Individually a Pariah may in fact be more valuable than an astartes or an acillian. So it would be very worthwhile to give their elites especially elite gear like mech frames.

I suspect there might even be fewer nulls in the galaxy than there are noble knights and squires, and if each of those nobles could justifiably be supported in a gigantic knight frame, then that's proof of concept the pariahs themselves could reasonably be afforded at least up to that size or less. Certainly I hope that Trig or Vera are interested in being esquired for a full blown Knight suit given the sheer size and power of their aura (Sisters of Silence did have elite Oblivion Knights - what stops us from making them true knights?).

Anyone up for establishing House DAV1S as a minor knight house of Lucius? Sworn allies of House Dutonis and loyal servant of the Federation and the Omnissiah.

Then much more long term, if the Emperor could make Psi-Titans, I see no reason we cannot follow in the opposite direction. The Psi-Titans themselves were piloted by blanks iirc, so that their powerful machine soul would not overwhelm their princeps.

What's the chances Trig or Vera are princep material?
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>>5464428
>the Emperor could make Psi-Titans, I see no reason we cannot follow in the opposite direction.
Imagine how disgusted TalOS will feel when he, warp-supressing connosseur, discovers that Emps made Psi-Titans.
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>>5464441
If todays test is a stunning success, we should try to convince Malcador to suggest instead of developing psi titans to invest in null titans. The resources that would have gone into psi titans can then just be shuffled back into the webway project.
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Robots First
>>5463405
>>5463425
>>5463567
>>5463453

Nulls First
>>5463408
>>5463415
>>5463418
>>5463725
>>5463509
>>5463591
>>5463599
>>5464156
>>5463676
>>5464170

Alright, sorry for the delay I was enjoying /uhg/ and the jannie's high tier shitposting.
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>>5464448
It's a very kino thread indeed.

When the Horus Heresy happens, I hope that's the theme that plays when the Federation declares war and prepares to leverage it's excessive stockpile of orbital bombardment weapons and superfluous fleets.

>+There will be no planetary landing today, brothers. Prepare for bombardment+
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>>5464468
If I can convince the Jannies to do it for me, I would love it.
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>>5464470
hey qm you forgot your name
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>>5464476
Oops.
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>>5464448
What's uhg? I take it it's some sort of general on another board, but I only browse qst and tg.
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>>5464478
One on /pol/
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Robots of the Ordo Reductor stood in vigilance at every entrance to the chamber, these robots already preparing their weapons to fire upon anyone who would walk before them. Even the more secretive escape routes were sealed with rockcrete, each of these found through Auspex systems carried by the Priests.

Already a kill count was being tallied from these points, from people trying to escape whatever horrors were within the sewers. These people though needed to be terminated lest word of whatever horrors were from the beyond were found out.

One could say these people were lucky though. At least their souls were not counted among the several that had been eaten by both the Daemons and the Pariahs.

The Null Nobilite were in wait at the moment. All of them could hear the rough drilling that was pushing rockcrete and dirt to the other side of the drill system. The capsule was hot with the engines that could barely cool themselves in a low air environment so deep in the world’s crust. It was a machine made by mankind though, and as such it still performed its duty with these troubles afflicting it.

The inhabitants of such a machine waited until the sound of dirt being moved was replaced with the shattering of an outside wall. A large light that glowed throughout the Termite went green as the safety harnesses disengaged and doors open. Quickly the Nulls came pouring out of the chambers laying gunfire into the incoming horde of both cultists and civilians that looked upon them in distinct horror.

It was a slaughter plain and simple. Bolter Ammunition, specifically High Explosive Rounds, would impace the exposed flesh of humans causing them to explode with a meaty thud. Only those who wore armor had a chance against these guns, but ultimately they fell when focus fire was administered in their general direction.

As these people were slaughtered by them the Nulls watched as the rear of these people suddenly caught alight with blue fire. Hideous laughter rocked through the room as a Psyker walked among the people with a devilishly powerful shriek. Quickly several Nulls placed their ammunition into their person who laughed against the onslaught.

He did not last long after that though as one of the Nulls breech loaded a new piece of ammunition. Specially crafted from a purple crystal at the hands of a Primarch, the bullet was sent flying at the psyker. A second later the psyker fell onto the ground with a meaty thud.

The Nulls advanced, knowing that there would be several more horrors before they were done clearing out this wretched place.
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They all looked around the warrens with inquisitive eyes and scanner systems. One of the Nulls were equipped with a Auspex, the Machine Spirit within the device operating perfectly as the influence of the Warp could not touch it. They were followed by a series of Cybernetica robots that were each equipped with a Psi-Sensor, but for the better part of the force it was the Nulls who were taking up the fight.

“Two on the right, standard rounds.” One of the Nulls said into their coms unit that was located within the helmnet.

“Weapons?”

“Knives.”

“Clearing.” The fellow who was responding quickly left the group and looked to see two adults cowering in fear. Their clothing and tattoos mark themselves as followers of the damned ones and traitors to humanity. He let out a series of rounds into the helpless foes that could not even stare into death.

Such occurrences were happening at all places within the sewers. Like a ghostly wave of destruction the Null Nobilite reaped the souls of the damned. None were safe from the wrath they sought against the traitors.

But Quintin knew that there were not only traitors down here as he got a ping from a nearby Datasmith, “Lord, Psi Ratings are increasing and concentrated. They approach.”

The Lord Nullifactor nodded as he prepared his blade, “The Denizens have found us, let us show them terror.”

Upon those words he watched as several creatures routed the corner into their view. Mass concoctions of flesh bounded the corner in a gross display of unearthly might and dark fervor. Quintin said a prayer to the Machine God as he wielded his blade and charged down towards the creature with the rest of his House.

The mass that were the Spawns of Chaos did not know where the Blanks were coming from, for no longer did their eyes work. Thus they were woefully unprepared as several swords sliced into their flesh. Many of them tried to attack, finally knowing where their foes were, but the flesh wounds they suffered were the least of their worries.

The Chaos Spawn dropped upon the ground as the Nulls ran forward once more, with the Robots following behind them setting alight the things that did not belong in this reality.
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>>5464480
I ended up figuring it out a little before you answered, but thanks for spoonfeeding me.
I laughed at the highfleet nuke hud. [/spoiler]It's from highfleet right?[/spoiler]
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The Deeper the Nulls went the worse things were. The smell of plague and blood came through the halls as well as mass chanting was carried by the barren walls. Many of the robots that had been following the Nulls began to slow and eventually stop as while they were not wounded their metal flesh was being rotted away.

The Nulls and their weapons though did not have that issue. They were blessed by the Machine God to be anathema to the warp in which they were fighting. Many of these people were children or young adults, somehow surviving in a world where every single person wanted to kill them for their sheer existence. You could not even blame ignorance for these people, for they were afraid of what the Pariahs ultimately were.

The Reapers of Mankind’s traitors.

It was a small thought among the Nulls that Quintin felt held merit. That the Nulls were created to be by some outside force. Many claimed it was the Machine God, while others even argued that it was the Emperor of mankind. Whatever it was they all were united in their purpose of eradicating Chaos Taint.

As they approached they heard the blood that gushed and the screams of terror which carried through the halls grow louder and louder. They were so close, but he knew the moment the laughter began that they were going to be too late.

As they breached the room there were several persons on the ground convulsing and crying out. These were dampened by the laughter of the creature which stood in the center of the room looking at the squad of Nulls with blinking eyes. He then laughed in a booming voice that promised damnation.

“So you are the ones who’ve been eating my worshippers. Their souls are mine, you know that? Come over here so that I can rip their souls from your gullets!”

The giant creature lifted a bell and gave it a mighty toll. As if it was some summoning charm the people who were either dead or convulsing began to rise like some sort of damned force of creature. All to the satisfaction of the large Daemon which started the Nulls down.

>Last long enough for reinforcements
>Try to Kill the Great Unclean One
>Eliminate as much Chaos Taint as possible, thus weakening the creature.
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>>5464496
You are correct, Music is specifically from when you fight a losing battle.
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>>5464500
>Eliminate as much Chaos Taint as possible, thus weakening the creature.
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>>5464500
>Eliminate as much Chaos Taint as possible, thus weakening the creature.
Get cleaned
>>5464501
Thanks, this makes the context even better.
I remember it from Sseth's video, but I never ended up actually playing it.
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>>5464500
>Eliminate as much Chaos Taint as possible, thus weakening the creature.

The first option would involve risking casualties, I don't know if the eaten souls can escape after the devourer dies but I honestly don't want to find out.
The second seems to me a direct attack on a place with a high density of unreality, I don't think it's prudent.
The third option seems to me to be the most sensitive, to weaken before exterminating.
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>>5464500
>Eliminate as much Chaos Taint as possible, thus weakening the creature.
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>>5464500
I have a simple question: do we have Thermal Charges with us? if so, i vote;
>Write-in: Slowly advance upon the Daemon's position while clearing out the Chaos taint through fire and faith(and plenty of other types of energy weapons) then shoot anti-warp ammonition into the Deamon when in a good position and throw Thermal charges when it closes in to attack. Thereafter order an immediate tactical retreat, having half the group retreat while the other offers covering fire and then repeat until daemon is dead. (If possible, have the drill attack it from behind when in a favourable position to do so. It is after all a giant walking Thermal Drill with guns.)
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>>5464500
>>Eliminate as much Chaos Taint as possible, thus weakening the creature.
Support IS coming, the Nulls have proved themselves a lot this time. Be smart, be logical, because what is logical is sacred. If there is an enemy that requires ordnance, then so be it
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>>5464500
>Eliminate as much Chaos Taint as possible, thus weakening the creature.
The role of the Null Nobilte is to suppress Warp Phenomenon, to make it easier for themselves and other elements to cleanse. In other words: "Hans! Hol den Flammenwerfer!"
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>>5464500
>Try to Kill the Great Unclean One
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>>5464494
Hey look it's those crystals we started planting from the mitu planet to try and feed with null energies from way back. Nice!
>>5464500
>Eliminate as much Chaos Taint as possible, thus weakening the creature.
The Denizens of the Warp cannot survive in the blessed material realm without invitation or host, any more than we can in the immaterial without the blessed gellar. Destroy the flesh and souls which bind it, you banish the demon.
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>>5464500
>Eliminate as much Chaos Taint as possible, thus weakening the creature.
The creatures hold on the realm is tenuous, especially in the nulls presence. We will severe and burn those tendons.
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>>5464495
It's interesting that our nulls talk compared to the rigid silence of OG sisters. I was under the impression they would use binaric or vox casters to get around that.

Perhaps a difference of philosophy but still equally as effective.
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>>5464500
>Eliminate as much Chaos Taint as possible, thus weakening the creature.
It's a testament that many of the Nobilite are "young adults and children". Maybe QM allows that to be interpret that even so young they are heavily geared and augmented for war and will be even more badass as adult, and also that our efforts to breed more of them are press them into service are working. We can send them in many directions to be knights, pilots, even princeps and maybe even some acillian (or as close as we can get without geneseed rejection).

Their auras need some work. If the robots and steel machines fighting at their side have rusted, living forces would fare a lot worse. Kinda justified at least here because it's a dammed great unclean one though so it's no surprise even the bots melted.
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"Come over here so that I can rip their souls from your gullets"

I'd like to imagine this is a lot of bluster from even the Great Unclean One, but deep down like all denizens of the warp quake at fear at the mere sight of the null. Not only is the nulls proximity caustic, if they slay this thing, especially if they manage to prevent it from using its powers to teleport away, when it dies it won't be banished only to regenerate in nurgles garden.

It will be dead. The true death that nothing, not even the gods can return you from. It will become a demon that never was and never will be again.

It's like yelling at a black hole that you intend to reach in and grab all the people it ate.
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>>5464526
Alright, roll me 1d6. If I am remembering the new strategy correctly you need a 3+ deal damage. Sadly you are not Catachan or Sly Marbo, so no +s to this roll.
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Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>5465275
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Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>5465290
>>5465275
Lets see how bad mine would have been
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>>5465290
Well, someone was not Sly Marbing it then.
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>>5464500
>Last long enough for reinforcements
This be like one of the Imperial Guard moments
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>>5465275
>>5465294
Alas, with BS3+ a 3 would have just been enough to hit. But fair is fair 2+ is basically only ever given to characters not units, and quintin is leading a squad. And I don't see anything particularly in the Custodes or Mechanicum list that we could burn some CP on to give us to hit either.

Let's not forget that Nurgle's boys tend to be. . . disgustingly reslient!
(especially 9th)
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>>5465376
You probably did not know this, but the Guard is getting a strat called Melta Tripmines or something.
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>>5465397
That would have been useful, especially for a series of fighting withdrawals yeah.

Though, what I wouldn't give for TalOS to cook up some really fancy servo skulls and cherubims that can lay down some laser targeting and give markerlight tokens, even if just for a few elites rather than the whole army. Just like the drones of federation, only holier and with a tiny fragment of human brain so it doesn't count as true AI (probably)
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“Spread out and start cleansing this area!” Yelled Quintin as he lifted his bolter to gun down one of the encroaching creatures, “We need to untie this fiend from reality!”

“It is useless to resist the calling of the Grandfather!” Laughed the Daemon as his bell tolled, “Go forward my children and each their meaty flesh! Show the Anathema that it's useless to fight against the Grandfather!”

The bell rang three times before the daemon infected humans began charging towards the Nullificators. The warriors quickly scattered to make sure they could wreck the destruction this creature deserved.

Their targets were icons and things that represented the Master of Plagues. It was learned so long ago from the Masters of Xana that the Triangle was the favored symbol of the Plague God. To him there were three stages in life in which a man crawled, a man walked, and a man withered. These stages were personified in every plague ridden corpse that charged towards the bolterfire of the Nobilite.

One strike sliced a triable into two. Another strike severed three bells from their post to drop into water. A third sank deeply into a fleshy pimple that grew upon the wall. Each of these were anchors for the Greater Daemon and he cried out in anger with the destruction of every single one of them.

He did not take it lightly though, no, the Daemon laughed as two dozen hands reached out of the murky water to ensnare a Pariah in their deathly grip. The man tried to strike at these corpses, his presence making them only have the strength of the dead corpses instead of superhumans. Though he cut one dozen the other dozen brought him to his knees and the horde reached him.

Quintin could feel the death of his fellow nulls as they were picked off one by one. They were scattered and without holding a proper gunline were going to lose bodies one after another. But that was not this aim, Quintin realized, for their real goal was softening the Exalted Creature in front of him

With each zombie killed or Icon eliminated the creature in front of them would become weaker and weaker. If they were lucky, he would cease to be by the sheer amount of Blanks that were about to arrive in the room.
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The Greater Daemon was getting angrier and angrier with every icon they destroyed. His voice gave a low rumbling as he finally began to rise, “You creatures are destroying this divine sanctum of the Plague Father. If you are not going to roll over and die to my minions, I will need to act myself.”

Everyone knew that this was going to happen but the Pariahs felt feat as they watched the severely obese monster get on its legs. It was clearly a monster of some other reality as such stubby limbs were still held it upright. The creature then bellowed as it reached into its gut and wrenched from it some mucus slob of biomass that could barely be described. He then tossed it, sending the projectile into the direction of a null who welcomed it with their sword.

The Daemon looks surprised as their attack did not make contact with the Null. Instead the membrane he sent forward seemed to shrink before harmlessly scattering itself across the refractor fields that all the Pariahs were equipped with. He gave a mighty roar of anger as he pointed at his target.

Within an instant many of the dead that were following everyone else ceased and ran at this single person. Quickly any escape was taken away from the woman, right before they broke her guard and began grabbing her from all sides. She tried to break free, shattering several limbs but these were all replaced with others.

The last thing she saw was a giant monster that slammed its bell on top of her head.

With every Pariah lost was another soul no longer punishing the existence of the Daemons. The Daemon himself surely knew this and was the reason that he walked across the room after each and every one of them. They were in a slaughter house where they were at the whims of the butcher’s gun.

In this case it was his bell, Quintin noted as he sunk a series of bullets into a score of plague walking men. He noticed that they, along with the rest, were turning towards him so that they may end his life.

He will not die easily though.

Every step the Great Daemon walked which shook the chamber, Quintin counted five undead creatures slain to his name. He felt the Machine Spirit within his sword singing as he parried and disemboweled a daemon that was coming up towards him with a joyous laughter in his voice.
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“Look at you, the abomination of mankind, laid low by my children.” He said in the most condescending tone a creature could possibly conceive through speech, “If you lie there and just die, I will only small you with my bell. Otherwise, I shall have my children tear you apart to feast and fester in your entrails!”

“I am a servant of the Machine God, foul thing!” shouted Quintin as he readied his sword, “I will not let you win!”

The creature gave a hearty laugh as he reached over to pick up one of the risen corpses. The Nullificator Lord watched as the corpse somehow appeared like a loving pet in the hands of the great giant, with the giant petting its head for a moment in some foul display of affection. It was then the Great Unclean One gave a fiendish grin and tossed the corpse right at Quintin.

The swordsman tried to cut the corpse but he was no transhuman. Quickly he was thrown across the room with the full weight of a desecrated corpse sending him to the ground. He heard a beautiful laugh from the giant as several of the undead quickly went over Quintin in an attempt to eat out his guts. The Pariah fought and fought even as broken pains from his hip flared up into his body.

It was dire but he also knew that his duty was finished.

Over the sounds of deathly moans and shutters was the roar of gunfire. A monstrous roar came from the Daemon as bullets were sent flying. Quintin watched as the zombies that surrounded him were cut down and slaughtered like the animals they were.

“Damn you creatures, you… you spawn!” Roared the Daemon as he threw his bell into a group of Pariahs that instantly sealed three of their fates.

But it was too late for that as Quintin finally broke free to see uncountable amounts of Nulls surrounding the Daemon firing into him. He was screaming and killing those who got close, but every second he stayed there his corporeal form wavered.

It was then Quintin saw his look of complete horror before his entire body collapsed into itself.

He lost consciousness right then, knowing it was finally safe to do so.

>Discuss the Greater Daemon
>Performance of Support Elements
>Loadout of the Nullificators.
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>>5465531
>>Loadout of the Nullificators.
They did very good for human fighters. But this is an extremely expensive way to wage war. Each of them are more expensive than an astartes or even a knight, but they very much aren't equipped like either.

And we've seen that even in some numbers, they cannot completely project an aura to protect their allies. Such a job might be left best to larger machines that will come later, like those based off the blackstone fortress and technology.

If we want to use them as direct, front line fighters against the greatest threats in the galaxy both demonic and xenos, they need to be stronger. Much stronger. Good thing we have a primarch with skill in transhuman engineering and the backing of the faction that produces the war machines of the Imperium.
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>>5465531
>Loadout of the Nullificators.
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>>5465531
>Loadout of the Nullificators.
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>>5465531
>Loadout of the Nullificators.
>If we can also
>Performance of Support Elements
If we can address both that would be nice, but focus first on the loadout if we can pick only one.

As for the Greater Daemon, it's banished and dead. That's all we will ever need to know as we mark this 2nd successful Techsorcism of T4L0S forces.

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>>5465531
>Loadout of the Nullificators.


"In great artifice shall i clad them. With the sacred knowledge of Mankind shall i bless their forms. These Men and Women of the Machine God shall know no fear of the abominable and perverted, for they shall be safe in the knowledge that they are blessed by the Machine and Motive Force; That they are the bane and end of the lies of the immaterium.

With these gifts and blessings shall they protect the workings of the Machine God, to ensure that they shall remain glorious in perpetuity.

DEUS MECHANICUS:
By the will of the Machine God,
Through the guidance of the Motive Force;
Purity in Steel, Faith from Flesh"

-TalOS DAV1S
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>>5465531
>Loadout of the Nullificators.
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>>5465531
>>Loadout of the Nullificators.
Wow wow wow, if we need daemon killers we better make them durable. No way our warriors went into battle without even a powered skeleton to augment their limbs.
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>>5465678
Yeah...they could really use more funding. And diversification.

We cannot just throw them at demons like OG sisters or even astra militarum, we can do better than that.

They did very good and it's clear they are well armed and trained, but there is many more blessings of the Machine God we can bestow upon them.
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Hey been rifling through the Liber Mechanicum book and look what I found.
It's stats for our Tech inquisitors, "Arcuitor Magisterium". They're usually also accompanied by Arlataxes from Xana.
No official Arcuitor model yet from what I can tell, but the unit stats are neat.
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>>5465531
>Loadout of the Nullificators.

Poor guys, I'm sure we can build something nice for them.
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>>5465531
>>Loadout of the Nullificators.
>touch on the fact that support elements need to be more situation dependent

I do wonder if we are gonna see a growing myth among the Nobilite that the ones of their number that fall stay with them, since they literally eat their soul as well. Its a common story to tell at a funeral, but it should hold empirical evidence in these cases.
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>>5465531
>Loadout of the nullificators

They killed a greater daemon. That's good. They need better gear though
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>>5466102
And better bodies. And probably some vehicles. They fit a greater demon there they probably could benefit from at least some of them being knights and drivers
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>>5465531
I forgot to mention this, but i hope we do congratulate them and visit the Null Lord in the hospital, cause succeeding and surviving this was pretty metal.
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According to canon, dreadnoughts were created before space marines were a thing. However, they are reserved for space marines because of their rarity and the fact that marines are so valuable.

But given a Null is so much more valuable (consider where out of a population of a whole planet there might be a few hundred applicants who will survive to make a few dozen marines - there may be entire systems worth of billions with only one blank) I hope some of those mortally wounded are recoverable for dreadnoughting or robot servitor forms.

Even the dead are potentially useful. A null's skull would make a powerful null servo-skull to aid future fighters, their bones blessed relics of the Mechanica martyr's to banish demons with, while their cremated flesh become Psyk-Out munitions.

Each and everyone of them that dies becomes a holy martyr of the Machine God whose very remains are saturated in blessed nullifying power. Especially when we unlock more secrets of Obsidian and Blackstone to entomb them in.
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>>5466295
Navigator houses send fleets and wage wars on a rumor just to recover the body of just one navigator, to return them to family tombs for study. Since there are even less blanks than navigators, we aren't leaving this place until all of them down to the kilogram are recovered.
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>>5466295
Null-skull needs to be a standard issue piece of wargear for whenever our sons fight Chaos types.
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>>5466356
considering how rare nulls are we'd only have like 1 per company.
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This might be dumb, but can anyone check if any of the Primarch Home Worlds were in the Gothic or Chalice Sectors?
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>>5466550
Forgot my tag.
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>>5466558
>>5466550

There doesn't seem to be any primarchs, but there is at least 6 different blackstone fortresses in the Gothic Sector
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>>5466568
Cool, wanted to check.
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>>5466550
your good the closest 2 are fenris (Fenris Sector) and Medusa (Thule Sector)
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>>5466550
here
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>>5466572
hey, maybe we'll find the lion instead of the emperor.
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>>5466575
It would be funny Especially with the Knights of Dutonis tagging along.
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>>5466568
Well, there is some potentials, since the Gothic sector is in Ultima segmentum, so these primarchs could be potentially found:

Vulcan (sector unknown, Ultima segmentum)
Perturabo (sector unknown, Ultima Segmentum)
Magnus (sector unknown, Ultima Segmentum)
Angron (sector unknown, Ultima Segmentum)
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>>5466578
NVM I AM AN IDIOT

(Its obscurus, not ultima(It is bordering ultima, not in it))
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>>5466586
Yes, the only one you could potentially find is the Lion.
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>>5466577
Maybe even if the latest null action goes well, we could eventually bring along the Oblivion Knights of Xana
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Oblivion_Knight
Only this time, with actual Knights.

Originally Xana was supposed to have House Malinax, but given Dutonis swallowed up all the other Knight Houses of the Lucius Sector, maybe they have a choice between becoming more of Dutonis or taking up nulls to be their squires.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/House_Malinax
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>>5466577
He even is near Scarus, which is where we are going to visit soon.
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>>5466572
using the 30k map QM dropped a while ago
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>>5466603
Woops, Ferrus was on there twice for some reason
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>>5466608
why is ferrus over by Robert and angron.
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Was it ever mention how um, how "gently" Dutonis just absorbed up all the other Knight houses in the sector? There were like at least five named ones they would have consumed, some as old or older than them. Was it peaceful? Marrying into their house and becoming branches to either Borgius or Navarro. Or was there a lot of houses that just quietly disappeared and Dutonis mysteriously got new freshly painted knights?

Are we going to continue the policy of promoting Dutonis to eat every single Knight house in every territory we come across?
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>>5466609
They are relatively close to each other on the interactive map.
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>>5466615
They were just the biggest because of our deal to let them colonoze planets, so the other houses became vassals.
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>>5466624
Seems to be more complete integration than vassalhood. We don't say "House Hermetika of Mezoa, Vassal of the Kings of Dutonis", we simply say "The Knights of Dutonis", so it's possible even they don't even have that amount of semi-autonomy.
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>>5466628
I meant more like becoming dukes of either Borgius or Navarre, instead of vassals of Dutonis the planet.
Unless all the nobles are related to the royal line, of course.
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>>5466633
That still amounts to the same thing, giving up ones own freedom and identity to become underlings of another. It's not something people in 40k or IRL are likely to do often, especially since non-compliant planets were a recurring theme in the Great Crusade. Imagine the ones who cease being Kings just to become a Duke to another lord?
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Everything that occurred on the ground was fed to those in orbit. Even things that occurred miles underground were eventually dug up and fed to the Noosphere that was covering the entire planet.

What they saw were insane feats of heroism and ability, the Null Nobilite being the perfect reaper’s of the Emperor’s own justice upon the world that had betrayed him so overwhelmingly.

Overall it was a massive success. The mortal men that came face to face with the Nullificators found themselves terrified and unable to retaliate. Even those who received dark blessings were unable to bear themselves against the full terror of having one’s soul devoured.

The source of their casualties though was when resistance other than mortal men came to bear.

“They grow in boldness.” Was what Malcador said as the scene of the giant daemon graced their screens, “They know that news of this will never leave the planet for our plans to work, and temper with it. If even a parcel of this film was to reach an orator the entire Great Crusade will be lost.”

“But that also means we cannot bring to bare our full might against them.” TalOS pointed out as he gave a small hum, “We will not be able to have inquisitors and witchseekers walking about freely for people would question their existence. Malcador, our enemies are playing their hands well.”

“But we are gaining tools to use against them.” Declared the Sigillite as he stopped the film at the moment of the Daemon’s death, “When Daemons die they tend to have an explosion of energy to make a wide enough break back into the immaterium. That did not occur.”

TalOS nodded sagely as he listened to his uncle’s words, “If he did not escape back into the Warp then he faced final death.”

“We have a weapon to use against them.” Malcador smiled as he said those words, “A more direct weapon, at the very least.”

“But we will need to make improvements.” TalOS said as he manipulated their view to several points on the screen, “I believe proper Power Armor should be given to them, and improved Shielding systems. I will check the Mechanicum’s archives for we must improve them in both body and mind.”

“Do so. I will see if there are any secrets from our own projects that can be used.” Malcador said as he rose from his seat.
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Time moved on and messages were both sent and received. The amount of worlds being crafted by Lucius were increasing every single month with peak efficiency. The population within the Federation did experience an explosion as many of the more rural planets gained an influx of goods. Even the Hive Worlds enjoyed the cost of living shrink as transports carrying bounties of food crossed into their domain.

One expected component, where everyone was now closely knit, was the growth of traffic between planets. Many of the Knightly Nobles were becoming wealthy enough that they could afford ships to specifically transport their foodstuffs and Steeds. There were also cartels from the Hive Worlds expanding themselves into the interstellar trade with second hand ships from the Federation’s own Navy.

With time, TalOS noted, commerce will become a mainstay for the Federation. Once the Forge Worlds that dotted the Federation will be expanded.

Looking at the realm, TalOS knew that by M30 850 that the Federation will be operating at such a capacity that his hands will not be directly needed.

While TalOS looked forward to the glory that was the future and stayed within the Federation, he watched the Imperium too move forward. Estimates were arriving that the coming decade will become one of the greatest expansions that humanity had ever seen thanks to the Emperor touching the other side of the galaxy. The Legions will now start looking inward and fighting what will be the greatest fights they have yet incurred.

A good example is the planet known as Ullanor. It was the greatest Ork Empire ever to be identified by the Mechanicum and likely the only one of its size. It had so many Orks within it that the systems were under continuous civil war which to the Ork kind could be considered a golden age of their species. If the Imperium right now was to touch Ullanor it will surely die as the Orks find their greatest rival empire.

TalOS’s creator, in his ancient wisdom, has placed a blockage around the system that would prevent any ships from entering the Empire. When the Orks decided to expand, the Imperium would allow it. If the Imperium was to face off against the Orks now then it would guarantee its own death.

What the Emperor needed were his Generals, his creations, now more than ever. TalOS knew that this decade will be the one where the greatest among them will be found.

To prove him right, upon the first year of the new decade news had arrived that another of his brothers were discovered. TalOS sent the man an invitation, and once more another had taken him up on it.
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TalOS watched from above as a Stormbird came down from the skies above. This vessel was standard construct and did not have any real detailing markings on it. TalOS took a moment to remember back to his dealing with Fulgrim and how he already detailed the hull of his vessel with iconography and idolatry. Instead it was a stand construct issue from the looks of things.

The Fabricator General, as he should, presented the option of his brother arriving with the full prompt and circumstance that he was owed. In response his brother told him that he only wanted to see TalOS as soon as he could and asked to arrive at his home.

TalOS could not find any fault in this and granted his brother this reduction in honor. Seeing his Personal Stormbird, TalOS felt that his brother was not one for gravitas.

The vessel touched ground and the tailgate lowered itself. TalOS watched as Custodian Guards walked out before what TalOS could only describe as a giant walked through.

The giant’s skin was blackened just like the steel that originates from Lucius. His build was so mighty that the Fabricator General knew he could wrestle the mighty Knights of Dutonis. While Fulgrim gave off the aura of perfection this mighty being was the incarnation of mankind’s strength. To top this all off TalOS looked up to see powerful red eyes that glowed with some unearthly might.

For a second TalOS wondered if this brother was a psyker. A curse of peering into the realms of the wrap manifesting in the flesh. If that was true, the Psi Sensors that were scanning the vehicle did not detect anything and tales of the Primarch showed that he was not versed in the psychic arts. So TalOS simply admitted that it was a mutation of some kind likely forced by either their creator or some environmental phenomena.

The two looked at each other for only a moment before the giant gave the widest smile TalOS had ever seen, “Brother!”

TalOS watched and was too late as the giant closed the gap between them and had his grip around TalOS. TalOS had only a second to decide whether he would accept this or try to break free from a deathgrip! Several volumes of information went through the head of the Fabricator General in relation to such a technique, the realization dawning on him when the second nearly passed.

He was being hugged by his brother.
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“It is great to see you brother! Another of my kin united at last!” Laughed the Primarch as he released TalOS to the ground, “That armor of yours is so tough that I cannot bend it, what is it made of?”

Landing on his feet and with only minor worry TalOS was able to answer his brother, “My armor is made of adamantine fashioned by the Star Forge of Lucius.”

“Hmm?” His brother kneeled down and examined the armor with those fiery red eyes of his, “It is seamless, was this made all at once?”

“It could not be. The Artisans have mastered the technique of manipulating metal so that it will fuse together at a molecular level. It hence mimics the idea that making a piece of armor from a single sheet of metal is better than bolting it together.” TalOS answered the Question with the details expected of a Tech Priest.

“Really?” The giant studied it more and more, “What would happen if it is used with wiring inside the material?”

“It is common practice to use Metal Fusion Techniques when crafting Power Swords.” TalOS admitted as he looked finely at his brother, “However such secrets I cannot yet share with you.”

“Are you really going to keep the secrets of the Fire from me brother?” The Primarch put forward what TalOS realized might have been a pout.

>Go ahead and give him a light education
>A guided tour of the Manufactorium as well as sharing knowledge
>Hold back, for these are secrets of the Mechanicum.
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>>5466820
>Go ahead and give him a light education
Who are we to deny a brother on the quest for knowledge?
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>>5466820
>>Hold back, for these are secrets of the Mechanicum

What? figure it out yourself, baka. It's not like I want to teach you!!
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>>5466820
Great update.
>Go ahead and give him a light education.
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>>5466820
>A guided tour of the Manufactorium as well as sharing knowledge
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>>5466834
>Switch to
>A guided tour of the Manufactorium as well as sharing knowledge
Just realized this was the one that shared the most.

Besides. . .just look as his armor! His weapons! This man is clearly blessed by the Machine God to create such fantastic crafts!
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>>5466820
>Go ahead and give him a light education.
But also explain our reasoning behind it only being light, namely mechanicus secrets and our connection to it. On the other hand it is also the reason we CAN give him information, since refusing an ally seeking knowledge should also be considered.
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>>5466820
>A guided tour of the Manufactorium as well as sharing knowledge
It's Vulkan! I love this friendly mass of muscle
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>>5466820
>A guided tour of the Manufactorium as well as sharing knowledge
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>>5466820
>A guided tour of the Manufactorium as well as sharing knowledge.

I vote for this option for political reasons, we have to show externally that we are willing to work with our family as long as they show us respect. Besides, it's Vulkan, if there's anyone we should make an exception about knowledge, it's him.
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>>5466820
>Go ahead and give him a light education

i can't say no to best bro, but we really shouldn't teach him everything.
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>>5466820
>A guided tour of the Manufactorium as well as sharing knowledge.
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>>5466820
>>A guided tour of the Manufactorium as well as sharing knowledge
professional courtesy demands it
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>>5466820
>Light education

I'm not so keen on revealing all.
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>>5466820
>Go ahead and give him a light education
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>>5466820
>Go ahead and give him a light education
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>>5466820
>A guided tour of the Manufactorium as well as sharing knowledge

Knowledge for the worthy!
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>>5466820
>A guided tour of the Manufactorium as well as sharing knowledge
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>>5466820
the votes so far:

>go ahead and give him a light education
5466908
5467011
5467070
5467195
5467211
5467239

>A Guided tour of the manufactorium as well as sharing knowledge:
5466967
5467013
5467031
5467067
5467087
5467149
5467241
5467274

>Hold back
5466908
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I wonder how the best of Vulkan's crafts compare to ours. Everything he made, even a knife given to Ferrus, was an artisan crafted thing of great power. Many of his artefacts were scientific miracles brought back from the age of technology, like ours.

Perhaps where his is golden and in the style of nocturne, our finest emulates the simple but sleek fashion of the olde Federation's finest but blessed with Mechanicum runes and rites?
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>>5466820
>A guided tour of the Manufactorium as well as sharing knowledge

2nd Best Primarch, Hell ya.
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>>5467368
Thanks for counting for me.
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“I believe there are many that I can teach you.” TalOS answered his brother with a grin, “If you are willing to learn.”

His brother gave a hearty laugh to those words, “These last few months have been filled with learning, Brother. I knew that there was an entire galaxy that I was meant to conquer, but to see it and walk it has shown me so much!”

“We will start with my personal facilities.” TalOS told his brother as he extended a hand, “I, Fabricator General TalOS, welcome you to my Manufactorium and Lucius.”

“Vulkan, brother.” The giant gave another laugh and showed a wide grin, “Show me your world Brother. I have heard many things from Malcador of the Mechanicum and I know it will advance my smithing to greater heights.”

“Then follow.” TalOS answered while taking point.

As Vulkan had landed on the Manufactorium itself it was not very long before the two of them walked into the facility. A pair of doors large enough to fit entire Knights opened up before the pair of them to give Vulkan his first ever view of a Manufactorium. As TalOS heard the man laughing with joy at the sight of so much industry.

“It feels just like Nocturn.” The Giant called out as he took in the massive heat that flowed through the manufactorium, “Is this a Titan Factory, TalOS?”

“It is.” TalOS answered as he made a motion with his hand, “Come, it is best that we get closer to the manufacturing.”

The group migrated from the catwalk and onto the factory floor. Numerous serfs and servitors were bounding from one area to another making sure that the Machine Spirits were all satisfied. They paid TalOS no mind, but many of them allowed a lapse in their concentration to look at the giant that was Vulkan who simply gave them all smiles.

They all stopped before a massive piece of machinery. Several pieces of red hot material were coming together all while a white hot liquid was being poured upon the surface. They all then watched as these massive pieces of metal collided to form a sheet right before a massive piston came down to drive the piece of armor plating into having two separate angles.

Before it could cool they all watched as a breach of blue fire flew out of the floor to strike into the metal to heat it up once again. Right after the treatment they all watched as the flames went away only to be replaced with a massive pool of oil that ignited the moment it made contact with the white hot metal.

It stayed submerged like that for twelve minutes, at the end of which it was picked up to reveal a new chin guard for a Legio Astorum Titan.
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“That was amazing, brother.” Called out Vulkan before any explanation could be said, “These Machines act as your hand to fashion the metal into a perfect shape. And that fire, the rumors are true that Lucius harvested a star at the center! To think that you have tamed the spirit of fire so handily.”

Vulkan looked down to TalOS with an expression of wonder, “It is a work of art brother. Already I know I have not wasted my time walking upon the soils of Lucius.”

“I thank you for the compliments, brother. The smithing of Titan Armor is not too dissimilar to that of forging our armors. Only that is on a divine scale.” TalOS answered his brother as he began walking again, “I understand that your planet did not have manufacturing on the divine scale of the Mechanicum?”

“No, by the fire no.” Vulkan shook his head with a laugh, “As I understand it from Malcador and Father, Nocturn would be called a Death World. Life there is tough and hard, but by using our hands we were able to finally conquer it!”

“Then there is a lot for you to learn brother.” TalOS called him out as he began walking, “You already understand how we make the armor, but I understand you need to learn of our technology.”

“Aye, it is not hard to understand the armor. Never with my two hands will I be able to create something so gigantic, but if I need to I know who to ask assistance from.” The blackened giant admitted with a sincerity in his voice.

“If you need such expertise, do come to me.” TalOS told his brother as he continued his walk, “There is much more I can show and teach you. Just down the block is where the Plasma Annihilators are currently being constructed.”

“Plasma weapons, I have heard, are as hot as stars when fired. It will be interesting to gaze upon their construction process.” He said with his eyes glowing a more vibrant red.

With that the two of them walked through the halls of the Manufactorium, looking at each step of the Titan manufacturing process. They went by the Plasmas, the Quake Cannons, and even the place where the Throne Mechanicus is built.

For TalOS this was the first time he had a brother who looked upon his creations with amazement. Maybe it was because he came from a Death World, but it seemed to TalOS that Vulkan fully understood the majesty that the Fabricator General was able to command.
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“All of these technologies came from STCs?” Vulkan asked as they were leaving the room which created the plasma generators.

“Many of the weapons and armor you witnessed today are from different STCs. Each and every one of them was created from the knowledge of a thousand different men who served the Machine God.” TalOS informed his brother As they crossed the final stretch of the factory, “The Titans are the ultimate understanding of our knowledge. This, among many reasons, is why they hold the Title of God Machines and are avatars of the Machine God.”

“You have yet to show me a complete Titan.” Vulkan pointed out in his guttural tone, “Is that what we are walking to?”

TalOS did not say anything, instead bounding the manufacturing block so that he could present a hand towards a giant Machine. Vulkan bound the corner as well, which caused him to both widen his eyes and look up at the majesty.

“Before you brother is none other than my Personal Titan.” TalOS announced with an immense amount of pride within his voice, “This is Particep Semper, my Eternal Companion.”

TalOS heard the Deathworlder laugh as he looked upon the majesty that was the Titan. It was a tone that displayed both awe and wonder at the avatar. Maybe it was this moment that Vulkan realized what he was seeing, that the life he previously had was a measly speck in comparison to the life he shall now hold.

“Know this brother.” TalOS said to drive a point home, “You will be the commander of these God Machines. Upon your words they shall walk and destroy everything in their wake on your behalf. All you must do is ask them.”

Vulkan looked upon the machine for another moment before he announced, “I shall make sure they walk the righteous path Brother. To fulfill our Father’s dream for a better Galaxy.”

“And you will.” TalOS told his brother that a Servitor came over.

>Present Vulkan Artisan Armor
>A set of Tech Artisan Tools
>A Fuckoff Hammer
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>>5467545
>A set of Tech Artisan Tools
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>>5467547
>A set of Tech Artisan Tools

he'll appreciate it
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>>5467547
>A set of Tech Artisan Tools
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>>5467547
>A set of Tech Artisan Tools
tech a man to fish and all that.
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>>5467547
>>A set of Tech Artisan Tools
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>>5467547
>A set of Tech Artisan Tools
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>>5467547
>A set of Tech Artisan Tools
Even the greatest of works starts from a single bolt, we may be as Demigods but we must remember to be as humble as the lowly Bolt so that Humanity might become a glorious Machine.
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>>5467547
>A set of Tech Artisan Tools.
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>A set of Tech Artisan Tools

An artisan makes his own items.
We are happy to complete and enhance his worship of the Machine God.
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Well my fellows, I just got a fun new daemon for us all to learn about and enjoy.
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>>5467547
>A set of Tech Artisan Tools
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>>5467911
Uh oh, that seems decidedly bad, thankfully Talos seems to be speccing in Daemonslaying. I hope it isn't Evil Vulkan, he seems like such a lad that we could theoretically even Convert if we showed him how fire is part of the Motive Force
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>>5467911
Were gonna need to get those Oblivion Knights bonded to their frames pronto.

I wonder if old knight frames will reject null pilots for being so inhuman, and we will have to make entirely new ones. Ones who reject any pilot that isnt a null
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>>5468091
I don't think they are gonna outright reject them, but it should get interesting.
The manifolds are very conservative so the Nulls will probably have difficult time bonding, but the machine might actually welcome to Null aura, so it could be a tight robe walk.
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http://rpgnews.com/?p=286493
he is talking about vashtorr
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like, bruh
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>>5468241
>>5468244
I feel quest canon be rewritten and i don't like it
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>>5468246
I don't know, the description seems to be an unaligned greater daemon, like Be'lakor.
Fantasy had Hashut and GHR, anything that moves away from the big four wank is good on my book.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq7A1ImzfKg
Whenver I am anxious I listen to this and related. I feel fine afterwards
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>>5468362
Nice and calming~~

There is no better way to relax than the sounds of the Machine God's avatars walking and doing their holy duty.
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>>5468246
Its not actually, if anything this new entity explains ALOT.
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>>5468375
Hopefully GW will use him to expand more on the Dark Mechanicus, the forge of souls and daemon engines, it always felt a bit glossed over.
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>>5468379
The Dark Mechanicum are dumb anyway. They take claim to the OG Mechanicum but ended up every bit as fragmented and a support element as the Mechanicus, except even the Mechanicus was able to keep hold of its Skitarii legions and various ordos. All the DM do is shit out demon engines.

I bet the Tau Hereteks have accomplished more in the field of innovation and AI than they have.
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>>5468375
I dunno chief "CHAOS DID IT" is tiresome
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https://youtu.be/THvgHw4M6W0
How I imagine an autonomous Chimera's with an Awoken Machine Spirit and a Dark Age high velocity cannon would look like.

It's totally not Abominable Intelligence if it's a blessed and vetted machine spirit, right? Maybe if we include at least one servitor brain or a tech pilot to 'supervise'
>Can't be silica anima if it's not 100% silicon
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>>5468533
I can guarantee you its 100% safe whatever you do.
>Please, try it as much as you can.
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When it came to familial interactions TalOS will admit that he was not the best, but upon the moment he was hugged by Vulkan he came to the realization that he did not fully understand things. So the Tech Priest reached into the numerous archives and found items and details about how families really act with one another. There were thousands of hours of documented footage of what was done and that data had been parceled by the Fabricator General in their exploration of the manufactorium.

So to take these lessons and test them out TalOS walked over and patted Vulkan upon the shoulder, “My brother, were you an artisan on your home world?”

“Aye, I was a Blacksmith of the greatest forges upon Nocturn.” He roared while giving a tightened fist as proof, “With these two hands I have created weapons that have slain dragons, I’ll make sure they are not used against you.”

The Fabricator General gave a small chuckle at that, “I would like that. Why I would need to live in fear of a weapon specifically meant to kill me.”

“I would never do such a thing.” Vulkan confirmed as he too patted TalOS on the back, “Weapons are dangerous things that should be made with care. You never know who or what might find use of it when you are not careful.”

“Such caution goes through the minds of the Mechanicum every day.” TalOS lamented as he let go of his brother and showed his hand towards a servitor that was stepping forward, +I have had other things arranged, but now I understand what you want.”

“What kind of tools are those?” The Primarch asked as he looked at the cart the cyborg was pulling behind itself, “Irons and micro manipulators? Are these the tools you use to create the weapons of wonder?”

“They are brother.” TalOS firm voice made it known that he was certain in the language of mortal men, “And they are yours.”

TalOS could not dodge the hug that quickly enveloped him. The Servos that were within his systems started to scream as they were trying to resist the immense strength that was the largest Primarch. He was giving a hearty laugh if there was any question about whether or not he was trying to kill TalOS.

“Thank you brother! I will cherish these items of creation!”
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The sound of sizzling flesh was quiet for a few moments until it grew louder for the two Primarchs. A mother who was mighty proud of what she was doing came over and placed between the two superhumans a tray of corpse starch rations that were deep fried for the enjoyment of others.

“Thank you, mother E11IE.” Vulkan said as the tray woman gave a bow.

“Your welcome~” She told Vulkan until the mother made her way out of the room.

As she did the Primarch looked at the steamed material that was before him. TalOS could sense there was a moment’s hesitation as he looked upon the Corpse Starch rations and it was not going away quickly.

“Is there an issue?” TalOS asked as he reached over for his own serving.

“Ah, my apologies brother.” Vulkan snapped out of his daze and reached over for the meal. He was trying to hide it, but TalOS knew Vulkan was too compassionate to really hide something from his brother.

“You treat the Corpse Starch as a poison, it will not harm you. I do not believe there are poisons that can truly harm us.” TalOS mentioned to his brother as he opened the bottom part of his helm to begin eating.

Vulkan looked at his brother for a moment, as if weighing if what was on his mind was truly something that should be said. That only made TalOS more curious as he wondered what his brother was thinking. Surely TalOS had given him enough to demonstrate brotherhood which should generate trust.

Then it was something else, but what else?

“You look like you are worried TalOS.” Vulkan called his brother out with a small glimmer in his eyes.

TalOS took another second to think and wondered if he too shall give such information. Thus he realized the two of them were experiencing similar feelings now and that this should be broken, “I do wish our relationship to grow. If you have found a problem, speak about it. If you fear to offend me, I will exorcize that from my body.”
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TalOS noticed that Vulkan was still weighing whether or not he should still give an answer. For indeed there was a question on whether he should trust TalOS at this point. It was then that he finally shrugged and answered, “I apologies brother, things have been odd these last few months.”

“You said you were from a Death World, and the few Death Worlds that are within the Federation have reported issues rejoining the rest of Humanity.” The Leader of Lucius answered his brother as he leaned back, “It is expected that things will be odd. May I learn what you find odd?”

Vulkan could only give a laugh as he heard that and pointed towards an nondescript servitor that was in the far end of the room, “Those people, Servitors. The first time I saw them I was terrified.”

The Machine Spirits that were within TalOS registered several degrees of confusion as he heard that, “Explain further? I do not have enough material to fully comprehend what you speak of.”

“It…” For the first time TalOS saw upon the face of Vulkan a face of confusion, “That is a man.”

“It was a man, specifically Alexander Motatri.” TalOS told his brother as archives were tapped, “He was a petty criminal who started trafficking for Cell Drain operations. He was officially condemned to servitude by the Lexton High Courts with this as a better choice than death.”

“So they are criminals…” Vulkan looked disgusted with a subtle horror displayed, “What is Cell Draining?”

“I do not need to deviate our conversation with a full explanation of its workings.” TalOS said first though he really did want to give that information, “Cell Draining is taking Cells from youth people and transferring them to the old, thus mimicking rejuvenation treatments. After three days, 78% of victims will have died from complications.”

There was a flicker of anger that flashed in the eyes of Vulkan as he looked at the servitor, “You went easy on him. His Spirit cannot learn the pain he gave others.”

“That is because the Machine God grants him this redemption.” TalOS answered as he came to a realization, “So you place a lot of value in the common people?”

To those words Vulkan gave a hearty laugh, “I see value in all people brother! Everyone is precious in their own way.”

“Then what is holding you back from the Corpse Starch is that it is made from manflesh?” TalOS assumed with a raised brow.

That was enough to make the giant deflate, “It is… unnerving to consider the flesh of people as food. On Nocturn we would have burnt our dead in the fires of a volcano instead. I feel that is right, especially with the star you host underneath the soil.”

>It might be something to consider.
>Our Faith demonstrates that we must use all we have.
>Simple Economics, food is scarce and we must get it from other places.
>Such is a simple difference in culture
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>>5469018
>Our Faith demonstrates that we must use all we have.
>Brother, all this talk of fire and volcanoes make me believe you should visit Dutonis and Mezoa before returning to the Imperium.
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>>5469018

>It might be something to consider.
>Our Faith demonstrates that we must use all we have.
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>>5469018
>Our Faith demonstrates that we must use all we have.
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>>5469018
> It might be something to consider.
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>>5469018
>It is a difference in Culture

>Write-In Points:
>Tell Vulkan we hope there will be less Corpse Starch, and more Servitors in the future as honored ancestors
>Appeal to his own Promethean Culture
>Corpse Starch, even in the worst of times, gives us self reliance isolated by warp storm or siege, the ability to endure
>Mankind, not machinery, is our most precious resource. To say otherwise is to invite the path to Abominable Intelligence. Mankind must always have preeminence, which is why we are chosen by our God not machines or xenos to rule (appeal to his own Promethean Cult that venerates mankind above all)
>Such it is, every iota of man even in death should be used to the utmost

The primary reason isn't economics (for we now have powerful agri worlds that use ancient technologies) though it is very good economics to make full use of the dead
Nor is it faith. We cremate both those who believe and do not believe. Make servitors of both criminals and the honored dead.
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To elaborate a bit further:
-We have finished the first stage of our plan to ensure maximum survivability of our Federal Systems, the creation of powerful Agri-Worlds using ancient Dark Age technology
-This will provide a big boost to our population and the standard of living
-By further encouraging the prolific use of servitorization, through cultural impetus, these servitors can work the agri worlds.
-They themselves require less food and no sleep, thus even exponentially augmenting food production both on the agri worlds and in any underground food production on our hive worlds
-The next phase after that is to build vast granaries and stockpiles to store preserved food on all our hive worlds and forges, as well as more servitor farms, allowing them to withstand a siege for decades, maybe even a century of war even if isolated
-Even should this fail, in times of extreme duress, if the siege is worse or the enemy is about to overwhelm, portions of the populace can be servitorized to reduce food consumption. this is better than letting them feel the pain of starvation or capture, reduces food consumption, and makes them into soldiers who will fight to the death to give more time to the reclamation forces to arrive or seek vengeance
-We will avoid the great catastrophe of the Old Federation where the worlds could not sustain themselves through Old Night

-In time the number of servitors will greatly match the number of humans, at least in so far as we can achieve servitorization of >90%. These servitors will form a great industrial backbone to feed and manufacture, thus vastly increasing the standard of living even for the basic menial. The people will know that their ancestors fight and work for them still

We can become the Prepper Primarch
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>>5469153
>Support
Yeah it can't be a matter of faith because that goes in the face of us not forcing people in the federation to adhere to our religion. Even non-mechanicum worlds use corpse starch. I like that we're giving him a plan to say that we hope to move away from starch as the go to option for the dead, while also not just wastefully burning corpses of use and making servitors instead.
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>>5469018
I will
>Support
>>5469153
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>>5469153
>>Supporting
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>>5469018
>>5469153
>Support
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>>5469018
>Support:
>>5469153
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>>5469153
>Support
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>>5469153
*I should clarify I meant we "corpsetarch both those who believe and do not believe" which is what most imperial planets do. Hope it's clear we mean less corpestarch, not getting rid of the practice entirely.

Servitorism will be the primary and ideal method of making use of the dead, corpestarch being for when they cannot be servitorized or organ harvested.
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>>5469018
>I got isekai'd into the body of Vulkan!!
>nothing changes
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>>5469018
>>Our Faith demonstrates that we must use all we have.
Our is a religion of peace, brother
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>>5469018
>>5469153
>support
>>5469196
Great plan. We should get Rogal Dorn to organize our defenses when he's found. Or Perturabo.
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Our Faith is but Demostration
>>5469030
>>5469093

Something to consider
>>5469051
>>5469140

Write In
>>5469153
>>5469247
>>5469277
>>5469359
>>5469372
>>5469409
>>5469630
>>5469652
>>5469655
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>>5470224
>>5469655
I voted for demostration, brother
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>>5470227
Sorry, I was too enthralled by my own joke that I did not notice it.
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>>5470227
I think he meant to add this anon instead of you
>>5469707
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>>5470224
Is the picture meant for those of us who didn't side with the write in...or with Mr. Write in?
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>>5470251
Mr. Write in. It annoys me when everyone agrees with a write in and it feels they do it because its just a write in (Which I don't think is exactly it but its funny anyways.)
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>>5470253
I love you sometimes QM, Lol.
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>>5470253
The write-in has lot twice before, I think.
I'm certain that it happened atleast once
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>>5470264
It happens about twice a thread, I'm rather surprised that it occurred here but it pops up when it wants.
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>>5470253
I voted the write in because I agree with it. Not because it's a write in.
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>>5470253
I agree, I also think people just agree with a write in because they feel it's better
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>>5470253
Or we voted because we agree with it. Encouraging servitors, use agri worlds to shift away from corpse starch dependence, but still recognize it for planetary self reliance are all valid points. Voicing ideas and discourse is less "NPC" than just replying with greentext alone. I admit I didn't add any commentary to my vote, but everyone can write in and make their case to support their stance. Like >>5469030 and >>5469655 did.
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TalOS took a moment to think to himself about it,examining his own people in comparisons to the numerous other civilizations that were found by the Federation and Imperium. It was an introspective and with all introspectives it was hard to really consider what was to be considered.

In the end it took the mind of a Tech Priest to take into scale the events of things. Even with the mind of a Primarch it was hard to look inside and compare oneself to others. Thus was the discipline afforded by being a Priest that TalOS was able to really look at himself.

Even for a Primarch TalOS had to think for a minute. While such a time was not uncommon with Tech Priests who might allow weeks before a proper response could be form, his brother was not one who expected such things. He gave a smile as the wait continued figuring out what was happening.

“The reason we do this is not because we wished for it. We are not cannibals because we believe cannibalism will bring us closer to the Machine God.” TalOS said first off as he picked up the now cooled food, “The reason we do this is because of history. Because of Old Night.”

Vulkan gave a thoughtful nod and a sign for his brother to continue. TalOS was more than happy to oblige.

“During the times of strife food quickly became scarce. Mars, even though it sat next to the heart of the Terran Federation, did not sit in a system that could support agriculture. Terra at this point was a hellscape of warring tribes with the planet barren from massive wars and water-pirates, thus we could not look outside for help.” TalOS took the flesh within his hand and placed emphasis on it, “Thus we were led to this to satisfy the most basic needs of man.”

“Food and Water.” Vulkan correctly summarized as he gave a small chuckle.

“Yes.” TalOS took a bite out of the food as the vox caster within his next continued, “You must understand that while Corpse Starch is what allowed us passage through such a troubling era. While it uses humans, it also uses grox and plant matter. It is an efficient manner that all material is used and disposed of without the risk of disease. The last reason I think is similar to your own home.”
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Vulkan thought about the words that were placed against his own culture. How his people disposed of their corpses and the implications it gave. It was such a simple thought yet the sense that it gave was there.

“I… can see that.” Admitted Vulkan as he gave a small chuckle, “That might have been what happened in the first days of Nocturn, when we were just getting by. But those times ended and the tradition was made true.”

“And by committing it to tradition it has significance.” TalOS pointed out with a solemn feeling in his heart, “When it has significance it has value and that value cannot be ignored. Such value is for the people, and you never know if it holds some truth in the universe.”

“You are on to something, brother. I can see why these people made you their leader.” Vulkan commented as he gave a smile.

“It was for many reasons.” TalOS told Vulkan as he had a moment’s thoughts, “As I said earlier there are some truths that can be gleaned from them. Your people’s belief in fire is shared by Mezoa, a Forge World within this very system.”

“Really? I should meet them.” Laughed Vulkan as he gave a hearty chuckle, “If I ever have the time I will meet them.”

“They will be honored to meet you.” TalOS said as he brought a piece of Corpse Starch to his brother, “For now we still use Corpse Starch, but soon it will be faded out with the productions of Agri-Worlds. For now, though, we subsist as we always had as a way to honor our dead.”

Vulkan looked upon it for another moment as if weighing the conversation they just had. Finally he took the meat and took a single bite of it. He seemed to weigh the taste of it before giving a small bit of a surprised look, “It… that is odd.”

“Fried Corpse Starch scrambles whatever memories the material might have possessed. Add the fact that it is made from thousands of different things and that their history was scrambled by the cooking.” TalOS could not help but mimic a laugh himself as a memory came up, “When I was young my mother tried to feed me raw Corpse Starch but I quickly learned the memories of everyone who was a part of it. After research, she discovered and employed this method to dampen the impact upon my person.”

“She is kind.” Vulkan said as he looked towards the direction that E11IE went to.
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The two of them ate some more of the starch and talked about other things. Topics such as the culture on Nocturne or of Lucius. Both of them were able to share tales of their childhood and TalOS could not help but ask.

“These… Dark Eldar you speak of. They sound like a troublesome foe.” TalOS told his brother as he felt a few thoughts coming through, “And the Imperium has yet to find their home world?”

“As I have discussed with Father, they have one in the Warp. They are descendants of Eldar who escaped their annihilation by being in the Warp.” Vulkan admitted as he shook his head, “As I understand from him, we will only be able to deal with them if we can find a physical anchor into their realm.”

“And with that his logic is sound. The Warp is a land we must conquer through other needs. I trust our Creator will discover and employ these needs when they can be realized.” TalOS informed Vulkan with a small laugh, “It pains me to hear that you could not take the fight to them though. To strike at the Plastoids was one of my greatest accomplishments, you should have the same.”

“I will have it. I know our Father will give us all that chance.” Vulkan announced as he finally rose, “My Brother, I thank you for having me here. I do not have long, but thank you.”

“You are welcome.” TalOS admitted as the two finished their talk.

A week went by after that with discussions on both sides and TalOS showing Vulkan the true extent of Lucius’s productions. TalOS felt that during this time he had placed inspiration into his brother, inspiration that will hopefully last a lifetime.

At the end of the week they departed from one another. With TalOS having to resume his duties for the coming years. As he did, items came and went that needed his attention.

>A Clarification from the Federation’s Front Lines
>Message from the Astropaths
>A journey to the smallest Forge World
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>>5470355
High res of that image, it's great.
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>>5470361
>>A journey to the smallest Forge World
Mystery Box!
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>>5470361
>A journey to the smallest Forge World
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>>5470361
>>A journey to the smallest Forge World
Nanomachines?
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>>5470361
So i'm guessing the "smallest Forge World" means nanomachines but what do the other ones mean.
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>>5470361
>A journey to the smallest Forge World
Time for that lead that Malcador gaves us
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>>5470361
Ooooh QM, why do you do this to us?! So many interesting choices, but if the other anons speculations is right, then it will have to be:
>A journey to the smallest Forge World

If we can finally upgrade our flesh with the holy nanomachines, we might finally reach our dream of a true synthesis between Flesh and Steel; Of Purity and Faith!
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>>5470361
>>A journey to the smallest Forge World
small, as in... nano?
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>>5470253
Write-in's can be a way to convey our hopes and plans, and support for them a sign of consensus or not. It's always good to know where our progress is on those and that it is in the mind of TalOS. Like when he said a quarter of the agri-worlds are now factory agri-worlds and is thinking about the standard of living of his people, that is an important step. We're making good progress but years are passing by quickly and a lot more work is left to be done, so there's a bit of anxiety still to see how much can be set in motion to be prepared for major events like the Rangdan invasion. Even if we can't accomplish it all, at least knowing that the plans exist in TalOS head are very satisfying.
>>5470361
>A journey to the smallest Forge World
Finally, synth-flesh draws nigh.
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>>5470361
>A journey to the smallest Forge World
I don't want to imply Vulkan is rude or anything, but did he not bring us a gift or anything? I can understand Fulgrim being a prick but it seemed like we hit it off (mostly) with Bulky Vulky

Also, I once again request Technosourcery and the ability to bend even enemy Machine Spirits to our will
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>>5470700
Sadly even Vulkan appeared to be too busy to stay. Guess he really did want to hang out with the Emperor more than his tinkerer bro after all.

What I regret is no mention of whether or not TalOS could detect any advanced Dark Age tech on Vulkan. Yes he's big and strong. But everyone can see that, even the blind man (I'm pretty sure his aura could literally let a blind man know a giant is walking). But did we notice the teleporter in his hammer? The quality of his artificer armor? See through TalOS uniqe tech perspective.

I was hoping we would be able to compare it to our own Lucian Flare. We showed him so much, the full factory tour, he didn't show us any of his craft?
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Maybe the tools we gave him will be used to create his famed artifacts and he'll come back to share them and we can compare arts and crafts then.
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>>5470721
Hmm, true. Looking back:
>"I have heard many things from Malcador of the Mechanicum and I know it will advance my smithing to greater heights."
>>“Then there is a lot for you to learn brother.”
I guess we really were his teacher here, rather than as equals. For now.

Alright, that's pretty cool. Guess we really did get a head start on Vulkan then.
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>>5470361
>Message from the Astropaths.

It's been a while since we've spoken to our little apprentice.
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>>5470714
Imagine him still fresh, walking around in a drakeskin toga.
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>>5470776
Yeah, I get that now he was very fresh. My mistake. Though I kinda wish we had convinced him to stay, imagine what more we could teach him or watch him grow.

Suppose the Emperor is more charismatic than us and will convince him to stay on Terra. Perhaps he'll encounter UZ1 in his own explorations
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Hey QM did we ever give Leman russ his gift or learn more about the hellfrost crystals. as far as i remember the last time we talked about was we talked to the space wolfs and doing some minor extermination.
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>>5470810
I would like to do more with helfrost crystals to. So much potential as powerful heat exchangers/sinks to give our weapons a massive firepower boost without overheating.
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>>5470361
>A journey to the smallest forgeworld
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Someone get me the name of the Nanomachine planet again.
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>>5471135
They are on Glavia's moon Galath
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cult_of_the_Micro-Omnisiah
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Galath
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Glavia
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>>5470361
>A journey to the smallest Forge World
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The coordinates and lore that TalOS was given was something that sparked a moment’s interest. They spoke about an order of reclusive Priests who willingly departed from Mars roughly five thousand years ago on something other than a Cruiser. To hear of such a feat was mind boggling to TalOS as the Ark Mechanicus was designed to weather the storms of the Warp.

To forgo the safety of such a massive vessel and still go forwards into the warp was a feat only done by those who knew they were on a mission from the Machine God.

Thus TalOS fed the information into the Federation’s Exploratory fleet, the estimated trajectory and warp currents at the time of their departure. Such science was not science at all, TalOS admitted, as even with Lucius’s own study of the local currents was he able to divine a fate for these wayward travelers.

It was only when information was being gathered by numerous Forge Worlds, a network of readings and tests when each Forge World’s numerous attempts to break out of their landing system, that something was gained.

Thus TalOS narrowed his sights more and more before it resulted in an area that could actually be explored.

And for that TalOS was able to get the best results. TalOS arrived in a system of five planets, one of which was marked out as giving off vox signatures. The approach was done well enough as TalOS got a good sight of the planet these transmissions were coming from.

The Geology of the planet was one that would quickly be classified as a death world. Scans indicated that the planet hosted a hotter than average core while the planet itself was too far away from the star to keep the temperature regulated. Thus massive amounts of votexes were covering the planet that would only result in the deaths of any structure built on the surface.

So, TalOS reasoned, the planet played host to something underneath the crust.

But while signals were coming from that planet, TalOS noticed a specific string of vox transmissions coming from the local moon. The vessel in which he rode crossed into darkness, the vessel’s light shining upon what was quickly identified to be a moon station of some kind. TalOS sent them a message asking to whom they serve.

+We serve the Machine God.+
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Codes were given and protocols administered between the two entities. TalOS gave them the tidings and datafiles of the outside galaxy that was so much greater than what they could have known. TalOS wondered what these people thought about when they were first contacted by a fellow human empire, let alone those who follow the Machine god. The glory and honor to know that they are not the remnants of a fallen Empire.

Whatever they thought, they gave TalOS permission to enter their airspace and then their station.

Vessels were traded and TalOS felt his Stormbird rattle under the pressure of the moon’s surprisingly decent atmosphere. The Primarch stepped forward and a pair of door opened to reveal a pair of human Tech Priests.

They both gave their bows as did TalOS, a sign of reverence for each other as they honored the same God in all of its glory.

+Fabricator General TalOS of Lucius, it is my honor to welcome you to Galath. We wondered if there will ever be a time when we meet our fellow men from among the stars.+ He admitted as his head rose, +I am Fabricator General Mani, and it appears its time has come to once again join the fold.+

+So you seek membership, but to whom will you join?+ TalOS asked the Priest as he knew such words had many meanings.

+We seek membership in your Federation.+ The Fabricator General announced as he placed a hand over his chest, +We do not wish to trouble ourselves with the will of Mars and wish to keep most of our autonomy if that can be given.+

+That can be considered and likely given.+ TalOS told his fellow, knowing how hard it is to subvert the will of Mars when alone like they are, +I welcome you to the Federation.+

The man gave a nod and extended a hand for them to shake. An agreement that will last for a little bit of time at least.
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While the agreement was quickly forged without issue there was still the prompt and circumstance that needed to occur. Celebrations for both the Priests that reside on this moon as well as the numerous colonists that currently lived with the crust of the world below them.

+That is an interesting transaction the two of you share.+ TalOS admitted as he heard about their agreement with the people below them, +How are you able to ferry the resources from the planet to this station and the other way around?+

+It is the currents which make the planet a hostile place to begin with.+ Pointed out the Fabricator General as he activated a nearby display, +The currents are closely monitored and taken into account for launches. With little propellant, we are able to ride the currents in and out of the planet’s crust with little hassle thanks to its predictability.+

+Interesting, the planet does lend itself to being easily escaped due to the weather. It reminds me of the planet of Columnus where they have entire Forges placed upon the surface of a rather tame gas giant.+

+To be that small against something so large, it shows the ingenuity of man.+ The Fabricator General Mani inferred as he gave a solemn nod, +For us we do not need such grand needs. We only need this planet and the resources below.+

+But times are changing.+ TalOS pointed out.

+Your appearance has made it evident that they will change. We will weather them though.+ Mani affirmed with the feeling of content sent through their binaric communication.

+Such is a luxury that you will now have. It is my duty to act as your shield.+

+And for that we of Galvia are thankful.+

>>PICK ONE, PICK WISELY.
>Discuss the Technological advantages that Galvia will bring.
>Compare thoughts on the Machine God and Omnissiah’s Natures.
>Learn more of their history
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This isn't a vote, just my thoughts
>Discuss the Technological advantages that Galvia will bring.
They harvest Silicon from Glavia to create the nanomachines. Could lead to our help in making it happen.
>Compare thoughts on the Machine God and Omnissiah’s Natures.
They are the cult of the Micro-Ominissiah, this could lead to talking about the holiness of the nanomachine
>Learn more of their history
This could lead to them talking about their mission to going to such a remote planet on a cruiser instead of an ARK.
>>5471696
I'm going with
>Compare thoughts on the Machine God and Omnissiah’s Natures.
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>>5471696
>Discuss the Technological advantages that Galvia will bring
We literally only came here for Nano-tech. I want the singularity the perfect blend of man and machine.
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>>5471700
I'm worried that if we go straight for the tech, they might not want to share.
They joined the federation because it gives more autonomy, so I'm thinking they make give it if we show to be a like minded person.
However, my goal is still the nanotech, and if this option doesn't lead to that, than I'm willing to change my vote.
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>>5471696
>>PICK ONE, PICK WISELY.
.... Oh QM, why must you give me such blue balls :_(

>Discuss the Technological advantages that Galvia will bring.
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>>5471702
We could just do an equivalent exchange with them, whether that be through tech, knowledge or resources. I am sure that if we treat with them fairly (which we have done to nearly everyone we have had contact with (except the Xenos)) then we will find a way where both parties can come out ahead.


Remember, it is not a race or a game. There is no final winner, so there is no reason to not help each other reach greater heights than we could alone.
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>>5471702
"I'm worried that if we go straight for the tech, they might not want to share."
ngl the knee jerk reaction is to think that, but then we must always remember we aren't just an incredibly talented and charismatic man steeped in the religion of their people. We're not a very clever mortal. Or even a Space Marine.

We're a Primarch. And like the Emperor, when a Primarch puts his will towards something it tends to become reality. Horus seeking the advice of the dead on the planet Dwell, Magnus looking for a cure for his sons, Roboute extending his reach to the 500 worlds.

In short, I have faith in TalOS abilities.

i guess the question is what is being obfuscated behind these damn green text options. What is the practical upshot behind each of them.
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>>5471696
>Compare thoughts on the Machine God and Omnissiah’s Natures.
Their tech gets added to the Federation no matter what, we need to figure out if they'll match culturally, after all the Omnissiah vs the Machine God is a very important question to ask
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>>5471713
hey QM is this true.
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>>5471710
If i had to guess what the hidden value is behind the options then:

1) We will get the tech/knowledge of how to make nano-machines. That is it. An extremely useful application to know (nanite enhanced soil to boost food production.| medical nantes to target diseases. | nanites to make atomically perfect components.) there are many places this could be used

2) More theoretical knowledge and theology that can help lead us to discoveries that we might have never imagined without the knowledge/thought-pattern of the NanoTech-priests. (Examples could be: Sub-Atomic universe theory, Practical Quark physics, Unified field theory(applicable) and so much more)

3) Blackmail and political insight. This would have many usages... if we were willing to take advantege of what we learn.
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>>5471715
No, getting the tech you want is not guaranteed.
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>>5471719
I don't know if this is a bit cheesy to ask, but which option will give us nano-tech?

Please
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>>5471722
No.

Choose wisely.
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>>5471696
>Discuss the Technological advantages that Galvia will bring.
Hopefully this will get us nano machines. Though I will admit the theology option sounds tempting. That said I think we should stick to getting nanomachines as priority number one because this has been a major goal for a while.
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>>5471696
>Compare thoughts on the Machine God and Omnissiah’s Natures.
I am of the belief this is the correct answer.

My reasonings:
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cult_of_the_Micro-Omnisiah
>"This sub-cult of Techpriests are very much like the rest of their brethren in that they are secretive though enough discussions were made with one of their Magi to glean the nature of the group."
>"The Cult of the Micro-Omnisiah believes that an aspect of the Machine God's spirit resides in every machine. As such, the smaller the machine, the closer one gets to the final resting place of the Omnissiah and thus the more perfect the machine is."
>"Despite the fame of their creations, the Cult does not regularly install bio-circuitry and instead work primarily on internal control systems for the Imperial Navy."

#1 They are a secretive group, not one to openly share their crowning achievement in the first place
#2 They hold true to their beliefs in the Micro-Omnissiah. If we were to come seeking only technology, or only history, but not on matters of faith, they may not likely share.
#3 TalOS as a Prophet and a Sermonizer, may likely gain a greater respect and empathy for them if he genuinely seeks out the different natures of the Machine God

"Not by works alone, but through faith"
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>>5471738

Hmmm, you may be onto something.

>>5471696
Changing my vote from >>5471704 to this:
>Compare thoughts on the Machine God and Omnissiah’s Natures.

but if it is possible, i would also like to have us talk about this with them:
>The ways that the Motive Force can be personally observed and handled
>Our research into time and the knowledge of the Elektroo-priests to try to find a way to make our body experience the glory that is the Machine Gods will
>Ponder and debate on what kinds of machinery/tehnology would be needed for this to someday become a reality


This chain of debate might, hopefully, lead to the NanoTech-priests to help us on the way to nanotechnology or outright have them us inducted into their group and thereby gain from their wisdom.
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>>5471751
>+1
Those are some pretty great things to discuss if they are open to it too.
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>>5471696
>Compare thoughts on the Machine God and Omnissiah’s Natures.
Lead not with politics or history, but with faith.
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>>5471696
>Compare thoughts on the Machine God and Omnissiah’s Natures.
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>>5471738
>>5471751
I'm glad someone else thought the same thing that I did, that this secretive group wouldn't share the good stuff to someone that they don't believe cares about their interpretation of the faith.
Hopefully TalOS will seek to integrate, amend or even accept them, instead of fighting their beliefs.
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>>5471696
>Compare thoughts on the Machine God and Omnissiah’s Natures.
They serve the Machine God.
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>>5472026
They're lucky we aren't Lorgar or Horus. If they said no and really wanted it, they would have cracked some skulls to get it. As a start.
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>The Cult of the Micro-Omnisiah believes that an aspect of the Machine God's spirit resides in every machine. As such, the smaller the machine, the closer one gets to the final resting place of the Omnissiah and thus the more perfect the machine is.
You know, this might align with TalOS' belief that the Motive Force permeates everything in the world. The explanation of the runes, and how their mere shape create results.
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>>5471696
>>Compare thoughts on the Machine God and Omnissiah’s Natures.
The Machin God is central to the mechanicum's existance. Discussing about this should be the first thing to do with an unknown party, for it is similar to exchanging codes and protocols.
We do not want to be rude later, by disregarding something that we SHOULD have known, thus we ask all of this now. Remember as well, that T4L0S D4V1S is a powerful priest, one that knows so much his brain should be in a data vault, not in a adamantium compartment inside his chest.

I am confident his studies of the Motive Force, guided by his faith, will impress this cult. I do not say this just to get the profitable outcome, but to convince other... material oriented anons to change their vote
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>>5471696
>Compare thoughts on the Machine God and Omnissiah’s Natures.
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>>5471696
>Discuss the Technological advantages that Galvia will bring.
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>>5472184
>that T4L0S D4V1S is a powerful priest
And that's quite the understatement. We're not just a powerful priest nor even 'merely' a pope. TalOS is a prophet, he's THE Prophet , the "Prime Conduit of the Machine God", the Nexus of Divine Knowledge. Like the ancient tales of Mohammed or Zoroaster. We're the counterpart to our brother Lorgar. If he cannot convince these reclusians to part with their knowledge, there isn't a force in the galaxy save the Machine God himself who could convince them. The Emperor does not count
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>>5472530
Now hang on there, let's not get full of ourselves!

We are merely one cog among many, seeking to do our duty to the Machine God and walk the path to enlightenment. Nothing more and nothing less.
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>>5472536
Yes, yes of course. Just like Lorgar when he says "all I ever wanted was truth".

In any case, we let Kelbor Hal be our pope proper. Our Kor Phaeron, except he's not nearly as much of a dick.
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>>5472567
If i had to use a real world comparison with our situation, then it is that we are Eastern Orthodox and Mars is Catholic.

So, we may both be Christians, but we disagree on where the Primacy of Faith lies and the absoluteness of holiness that the Omnissiah has. As in, we recognize the rights of the Fabricator-general of Mars, but do not think he should hold total primacy to the detriment of the rest, while also seeing the position of Omnissiah as one that can be filled by many people (and already has been) and is not made for one person only.
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Compare
>>5471699
>>5471713
>>5471751
>>5471704
>>5471899
>>5471935
>>5472134
>>5472184
>>5472192
>>5471793

Discuss Technology
>>5471700
>>5472524

I think this makes it. Bravo.
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>>5472599
>then it is that we are Eastern Orthodox and Mars is Catholic
Mercifully the relationship is much more amicable than the real life scenario of just declaring each other to be heretics.
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>>5472617
The Federation lived for progress and technology, but without faith they became nothing.
The Sigilites lived to protect knowledge and history, but without faith they became nothing.
It is by Faith in the Machine God and his secret mysteries, do we achieve true greatness.
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>>5472618
Hey, atleast we arent the Protestant type of Tech-priests

Fucking Dark Mechanicus and their heretical bullshit. Didn't even do any cool shit after going heretic.
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They talked for longer and longer stretches of time, occasionally changing from rooms that held the flightcraft to chambers that held their advanced silicon processing facilities. talOS had to admit the weird item, which was just how small everything was.

Before he was the Fabricator General and was uniting the Reconquista, TalOS had witnessed a great many Forge Worlds. Out of all of the Forge Worlds he paid witness to, all of them had a standard correlation with age and size of facilities. The Galvinites, who were here for quite a time, remained small at what might be an inverse to their age.

It was also an experience as TalOS noticed he was forced to duck and avoid vents much more often here than any other Forge World. Add to it that none of the Magi here used augmentations to raise themselves above ten feet tall was another item.

So TalOS presented these observations to the Fabricator General.

+My apologies for that.+ He answered while presenting his fellow the emotions of remorse, +As you noticed, we are not use to such large beings walking our halls.+

+Why do you all keep yourselves so small? The size of a Forge World is necessary to defend against Orkish incursions and pirates.+ TalOS pointed out as they came to a stop.

+We have been lucky, I will admit.+ The Fabricator General gave that bolt of honesty toward’s TalOS’s words, +But I believe we have been so blessed because of our size. By keeping to ourselves we are not noticed and thus do not attract outsiders.+

TalOS took that information for a moment’s thought, processing several lines of future conversation the two would have to produce the words, +On most Forge Worlds industry is also a sign of veneration for the Machine God. Do you not agree with this statement?+

Those words were enough to get the attention of his fellow, +My Lord, do you accuse us of being heretics?+

+On Lucius we venerate through Artistry, on Mezoa it is the fire, and Mars through raw output.+ TalOS told his fellow with a small gleam in his metal mask, +If there was one true way of worshiping the Machine God we would not have so many different ideas on how to do so. I find that the Motive Force flows through all things, and thus the Machine God’s influence is carried along it. I wish to know how your Cult sees the universe and the flow of motion. How you venerate the Machine God and attempt to close upon his divinity.+
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The Fabricator General Mani looked upon TalOS closely, his red eyes focusing on him with eerie lingerment. TalOS knew for a fact he was sharing the information shared here with the rest of the commune. The more opinions he could get on the matter. After all, a misclick or word misplaced could result in their entire lives being destroyed.

+My Lord, we agree with your words that the Machine God’s presence flows through all things. That the Motive Force gives each machine a Piece of the Machine God.+ He began with a small assessment.

+That is the Machine Spirit, an aspect of our divine lord.+ TalOS summarized the rhetoric with a fineness expected of someone his rank.

+Yes, that is indeed the truth.+ He said before the next answer came, +And what of the Omnissiah? That which is apart of the Holy Trinity.+

+That is a question I know plagues all of us.+ TalOS admitted with his binaric displaying a solemness within his tone, +My Creator has claimed the title of Omnissiah as he fulfilled the requirements put forward by Saint Magos Moravec.+

TalOS held off for a moment to weigh what was being said here. To figure out if any of this information was ever to get out. For their several hours of conversation TalOS realized that these men were masters of keeping their secrets close, like any member of the cult. After all, they held this information from him long enough.

So he said it, +I do not believe he is the Omnissiah, instead taking the title through Warp trickery. I believe the Omnissiah to be a unifier of the Cult, and while my Father fits that ideal he uses methods I know the Machine God would never sanctify.+

The Priest before him nodded to those words, +You are wise, TalOS of Lucius. We have seen the parcel of information and while he fulfills the prophecy we believe the prophecy to have been created through heretical actions.+

+That is a grave claim, Mani.+ TalOS told the Fabricator General as they arrived in an enclosed room now away from the Steel Wardens that always protected TalOS, +But I will hear it and no others. I understand your people fled Mars without persecution, so I ask why?+
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Gone were the numerous halls or other peoples, the two Fabricator Generals were now totally alone without support. Such a risk TalOS knew could hurt him but he also felt there was no danger here. Readings showed that the Warp was weak here and TalOS knew any weapons these Galvinites could use would not kill him instantly. To ignore the fact that if they did anything, their moon would be destroyed by the cruisers that hung in orbit.

Fabricator Mani sat down and looked upon TalOS solemnly, +We are the descendants of the Kunor Expedition, one of thousands who attempted to brave the Noctis Labyrinth in search of Saint Moravec’s Vault.+

TalOS felt a shift in his very soul upon the declaration of such a name. Records in both the archives of Mars and Lucius have spoken of several failed journeys into the depths of the Noctis Labyrinth. How ruin befell every forge that dared to walk amongst the ruins of their numerous fellow explorers.

What was said to be within that Labyrinth is among rumor and superstition. Now that the conversation had tilted in this direction TalOS realized that it surely held the reason that they fled. But…

+Are you sure you wish to give this secret to me?+ TalOS asked his Vassal straight off with a firm declaration of thought, +What you say today… it might bring a schism.+

+That is the reason we fled Mars. What was found down will lead to a schism that will shred the entire Mechanicum in two.+ Mani told his Lord in agreement, +As for why we tell you this, Fabricator General TalOS, is that we wish for you to know it and believe it the only time we can say it. That you are not led by the Heresy of our Founders.+

+Your words… what do you wish in exchange?+ The Fabricator General of Lucius asked.

+That while you internalize our words, you also do not speak them to others of this. We want this known, but not so well known that the schism sheers us apart for the Emperor of Mankind.+

>It shall be given.
>Know there are others I trust who will know, I vow no silence.
>I cannot keep this secret in good conscience, do not speak it to me.
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>>5472617
>Bravo.
Did we do it? Or was it sarcasm?
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>>5472664
>It shall be given.
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>>5472664
>It shall be given.
>Me and the Federation are no strangers to secrecy of their members. You will be safe with us, that is my promise.
Hopefully we didn't lose the nanomachines.
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>>5472658
I love that TalOS has a clear fondness for size and BIG. Though, I suppose the tradition of small isolated research station is an old relic of the Federation not often seen these days.

Also damn this is a tricky choice

I'm trying to recall technically we did not ever pledge to Malcador or Kelbor to reveal all secrets right? If anything

>We pledged to Malcador NOT to reveal the existence of Chaos
>We pledged to Kelbor Hal to help ensure the prominence and respect for Mars amongst the greater Mechanicum
So we are not breaking any oaths by keeping things in secret yes?
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>>5472664
>It shall be given.
Eh, we're already keeping one big secret, what's another?
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>>5472681
It.. Depends, really.

If what we is going to be informed of is what i think it is The dragon that sleeps upon mars and which has whispered to our minds then, by technicallity, we wouldn't be breaking any of our wovs, but... but, that might not be what they are talking about. Hell, there is so many thinks it could be, that it really is unpredictable if we will be able to uphold our vows in both letter and spirit.

We will simply have to see.


>>5472664
>It shall be given.
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>>5472664
>It shall be given.
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>>5472664
>It shall be given.
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>>5472664
>It shall be given.
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>>5472681
Nano wtf is the noctis labyrinth?
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>>5472617
C-compare what now QM?
QM...
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>>5472789
It's where the Void Dragon is locked below
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>>5472664
>>I cannot keep this secret in good conscience, do not speak it to me.
play hard to get
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>>5472813
Holy shit, this is important.
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>>5472664
>It shall be given.
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>>5472664
>It shall be given.
Praisebe to the machine god. This will be an interesting revelation, and it makes me think, perhaps Talos should send an absolutely enormous expedition to explore this labyrinth some time in the future.
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>>5472664
>It shall be given.
That reminds me, I wonder if the Mechanicus has a "Bond of the confessional" but for research projects and the like
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So it looks like we choose the void dragon option instead of nanomachines... God damn it.
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>>5473179
Fuck if that's the case, we came here for the nanomachines. The Void Dragon was gonna reveal himself to us one way or another. Even if he didn't, we came for the nanomachines!

We didn't reject Auramite for that!
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>>5472813
The Noctis Labrynth is indeed where the Dragon of Mars is supposedly located. It's a canyon like area, where attempts to industrialize tend to fail. Supposedly it's an area of such intense radiation that no flesh nor electronics may survive, but that's secretly untrue as the rumors were made to ward away more adepts.

The Vaults of Moravec may or may not be there, but from what I understand they are a separate thing and the Vaults basically amount to Mars containment unit for Chaos shit that either they didn't want to or couldn't destroy, possibly scrap code and AI. The Treaty of Mars includes a stipulation that Kebor must "never let the Vaults be open".

Separate from that is the actual place the Void Dragon is contained in, which is guarded by a perpetual on the Emperor's behalf to tell people to go away. If they're lucky, and there's only one person there, they can trick people into taking their place so they can die at last.

At some point the Cult of the Dragon and the Fabricator Generals should be aware of most of this, but whether that applies to Kelbor Hal or if there is even a Cult of the Dragon right now remains to be seen. I'd wager a guess there is no cult of the dragon right now and Kelbor is mostly in the dark. Perhaps we establish the Cult of the Dragon in this timeline.
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>>5472664
>I cannot keep this secret in good conscience, do not speak it to me.
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>>5473195
Got it, thanks for the extra info Nano. As always quality work.
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>>5473179
>>5473191
Sad times
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>>5473335
It is what it is, but now we atleast have an excuse for trying to make nanomachines ourselves, since we can justify it by saying that we are "Following the examples of a known Mechanicus sub-sect and simply taking it to its logical conclusion".

so, it is not all sad times.
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>>5473440
Forgot tag

To supplement this, us getting IC knowledge that there is a giant C'tan on Mars is very valuable knowledge and will have an effect on what we can do when it comes to the Mechanicus and the Imperium/Emperor. After all, there is no reasonable explenation for why the Emperor put a guard there (Based on TalOS knowledge, not our OOC) so he might begin to wonder what else his creator has done, which could lead to some interesting dialogue in the future.
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I didn't want T4L0S to be cannonically erased from history and getting his soul deleted this soon, but sure let's go talk to big E
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>>5473191
it's not only that. we didn't just reject Auramite but also chose to wait before fixing our sons gene-seed. we spent two actions to arrive here only to not get the thing we were aiming for. feels bad man
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>>5473575
We are getting to that -_-.
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>>5473602
H-happy times?
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>>5473605
Yes, I just need to justify why Malcador gave TalOS this location. ;^)
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>>5473617
Ah, so he is trying to make so TalOS abandon his faith in the Machine God by revealing the nature of the Void Dragon.
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>>5473618
No.
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>>5473618
w-woa...
>Malcador sends T4L0S to his spiritual death
>T4L0S discovers the secret of everything
>Just as planned.HECV
>He chooses to worship the Dragon and develops technomancy at an astounding pace
>pic related
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>>5473624
Well, it was a good bet.
I'm looking forward to the update to discover the mystery.
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>>5473575
>>5473602
Damn the gene-seed "fix", we're already compensating for it and it's not that bad. It's been decades and the most it's caused is emotional discomfort which is, let's be frank, far less severe than the wulfen curse or the red thirst or the flesh change. We already have alternative cures even if it gets bad.

It's something we should do, but it's the least priority issue among many more pressing matters.

>>5473617
So is there no further way to get Auramite or Nanomachines at all now?
For what reason was there to lock that behind such obscure choices, when before you also made us show whether we wanted auramite or nanomachines?

Is necrodermis still on the table?
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>>5473440
Yeah, if Glavia isn't going to share we can hopefully just try to squeeze in TalOS to do it himself.

The only reason we wouldn't is the possibility that this Void Dragon quest leads to proper cron tech/necrodermis access which would render nanomachines obsolete, or a path to the Ygma Monolith, which would unlock our Technosorcery.
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>>5473758
You really are a doomsayer. Have I said you fucked this up, no. Wait for me to give you an explanation on why Galvia is weird.
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>>5473769
Sorry QM. It's hard to tell sometimes cause your words can be a bit cryptic and you've often just flat out said "no" in the past so it's easier to assume the worst and roll with it.

When anon asked if we got locked out of the nanomachine option by sacrificing a gene-seed fix action you said 'we are getting to that' I thought you meant 'you'll get around to the gene-seed fix. Since IIRC those are still one of the four of the currently doable on the most recent list of projects.
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>>5473782
I will blame him for doomsaying as well. Don't assume shit that you have not been told. That's how you make asses of yourselves.

What I will say is if you guys asked for tech directly, they would have just talked about motherboards.
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>>5473784
>motherboards.

Oh shit, would they share their gaming setup with us!? Technology must have moved forward enough that we could get a really immersive gaming setup; VR, haptic feedback the whole shehbang!

On a more serious note, i am glad that we didn't cuck ourselves out of getting Nanomachines and i am sorry if how we acted have been a bit of a moodkiller. Just know that we appreciate what you do and it is because of this that we try to be as good players as possible, even if we do doomsay some things or accidentally assume some things which may not be true.

Your work is appreciated and we love what you do QM!
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>>5473814
>Implying we aren't going to play Galaxy Total War on Roboute's VR Strategios when we meet him
Roboute beat Corax 2 to 17 in that. Gotta admire Corax's dedication to learning. Doesn't make our 2 defeats against Russ so bad if we can beat him just once.

Also we're def going to take a copy of his Strategios and maybe offer to upgrade the Quantum Supercomputer in Guilliman's palace
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Secrecy is the way of the Mechanicum
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I cannot keep this secret
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TalOS did not need to think long to speak the words, +You have my word as Fabricator General, what did you find in the Noctis Labyrinth?+

+We found it, we found the Vault of Moravec.+

TalOS noticed a series of his Machine Spirits cry out as he registered that information, +The Vault of Saint Morvac, an original founder of the Mechanicum?+

+The very same.+ He said as he fed TalOS drips of fear and moring through the Binaric connection, +And we were Damned because of it.+

TalOS felt his flesh creep as he registered that specific use of language, +Damnation by finding it? Fill in this information.+ The Primarch nearly demanded as he felt his soul waiver.

+Our Forefathers searched through the Noctis Labyrinth in search of that very tomb. They were one team of many, with entire Forges worth of resources to pour into the operation.+ The picture was painted in the mind of TalOS by Mani, +It was not the largest operation but we felt that it was in good tidings. The previous night we had divined through a scripter machine spirit give us good readings, so they had taken it.+

TalOS felt for a moment there that the issues were starting to compound already. He could not listen though. He needed to know more.

+We fought Tech Barbarians, Mutants, and even Men of Iron who had gone insane due to the wastes. They lost all of their Skitarii and arrived on sight with eight Priests.+

TalOS began to feel his worry ache as he heard that number.

+But as if given by the Machine God or some Daemon, we arrived.+ The Fabricator General announced with the fervor of a story teller, +We arrived at the doors which held back whatever was inside the tomb.+

+Do you have any recordings of this happening?+ TalOS dared ask.

+Our Forefathers deleted most data related to the exhibition. I will present to you an uncorrupted photo which stands as my proof.+

TalOS received a ding and quickly quarantined the picture into a Cogitator array. It was then he looked at it through a false eye so that the image could not escape the data matrix.

It was a pair of thick steel doors that were buried by the red sands of Mars. The doors themselves looked jagged and worn as if they went through a battle. At the very top of it TalOS realized it to be an eight pointed star. Memories from the warp came to TalOS, and he realized what was about to be said before it was even said.
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+The Forefathers dug up the Vault and revealed it in all its glory. There was a string of data that kept the tomb shut which required all eight of the Priests eight days and nights to fully decode the Vault.+ Announced the Priest as he could only display the fear of what was to come next, +Upon that eighth day, the doors were opened.+

TalOS kept his silence as dread built up within his systems and data aegis were employed.

+What they saw was something evil. The creations of Moravec were hideous twistings of men and machine the likes of which we never hope to see again.+ Haunted the Priest as he told a tale which was passed down through the generation with the same fear the original tellers had, +Man was Machine and Machine was Man, the place filled to the brim with the magics that the Terran Warlords employed every day. And with that the group schismed.+

+On one side were those who wished to present to the Council these machines, weapons that were built in such a way that it was not machine replacing flesh, but the flesh of man replacing mechanical parts. Machines where you could not tell whether it was metal or the frozen flesh of whoever’s face was stretched to fit the coverings.+ The Fabricator General raised one hand before raising another, +The other were those who wished it burned and destroyed. That these were hedonist creations that followed no STC and were obviously made by a perverse mind. It was then the other side argued that this was Moravec’s Tomb this was the truth of the Mechincus, and that they were on the cusp of finding the Omnissiah he spoke of.+

+And so they began to shoot one another.+ TalOS pointed out as he already knew the end of the story.

+The schism ended in bloodshed and death. Our forefathers killed those Heretechs. Through the blessings given to them, all the traitors were dead while two of the four conservatives survived.+ Announced Mani as he closed out the tale.

+Moravec, in his final statement, gave the Mechanicum the Prophecy of the Omnissiah’s arrival.+ TalOS said as he processed the ramifications of Mani’s words, +If what you said is true then he was a debased heretic and thus his entire Prophecy is void.+

+Yes, his Prophecy is void. That is the revelation that we have determine and the reason we fled Mars.+
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In these moments TalOS felt his heart break down and quake as revelation came to him. TalOS had his own thoughts about the Omnissiah, thinking it to be a temporal role than what was given by Mars. But to hear one of the finest foundations of the Cult Mechanicus was false in all things…

+What do you believe then? The Omnissiah, the Prophecy that foretold his arrival, is a fabrication by…+ TalOS held his tongue for a moment remembering another of his agreements, +Whatever infested the soul of Moravec shall not be addressed, but what do you think?+

Mani spoke his mind, +My Lord, we believe the Omnissiah is still in existence. There have been talks of a being like him even before Moravec, only that Moravec codified the Prophecy which we have learned to be false. So we have taken ourselves to logic.+

TalOS could only give a phantom smile as he heard such words, +Then what is your chain of logic?+

+We see that Moravec has led the Cult Mechanicus in the wrong direction. A deception by some greater foe that we cannot imagine.+ Suggested the Priest speaking the same logic that TalOS knows to be true, +Thus we stay within the material realm and study it. As every machine is of the Machine God’s presence then that must mean his avatar is present in all of them. If they are present in all of them, then that means the smaller a machine is the closer to a pure spark of the Machine God we can find.+

+And when you find such a spark, you find the Omnissiah.+ TalOS put forward already realizing the hundreds of years worth of thought that was placed into such a logic.

+That is what we think is the truth of the matter.+ Fabricator General Mani put forward with a solemn bow, +I am willing to show you what we have researched. Maybe with the mind like yours you will be able to make logic of it.+

TalOS knew two things here. The First was that he was here because of the story that these Priests told him. Malcador wanted TalOS to know the truth, and thus showed him to those who knew it. The Second was that this Priest wanted to help TalOS in a moment of weakness, let it be whether he had ulterior motives to it TalOS did not think so. This Priest simply wanted to let someone else know the truth, someone who might be able to do something about it.

But the research he wishes to grant, TalOS felt it had value.

>Accept their worldview, that the Micro-Omnissiah might be the truth.
>Agree to see their research and take in some of their thoughts. The Omnissiah is still mystical, but not in the way Mars believes it to be.
>Take in the research but leave it at that. They will try to convince TalOS, but be so unsuccessfully.
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>>5474131
>Agree to see their research and take in some of their thoughts. The Omnissiah is still mystical, but not in the way Mars believes it to be.
>Share our own research on exceptional materials, non-warp phenomena, runes and worldly souls. Perhaps their finding are compatible?
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>>5474131
>Agree to see their research and take in some of their thoughts. The Omnissiah is still mystical, but not in the way Mars believes it to be.
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Well, at least it was Khorne in there . .a relatively straightforward being compared to his brothers. Tzeentch is a lot damn trickier.
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>>5474151
Oh... This is dangerous but it will be fruitful...
>Support
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>>5474157
Khorne really likes his Daemon Engines.
I have a feeling that the being that daemon corrupted Moravec is Vashtorr
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>>5474131
>>5474151
>support

Should we add in the vision? i know that it is a very personal thing, but we were literally in contact with the Void Dragon(Potential Omnissiah??) and they might be able to come to some conclusion if they know this info.
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>>5474151
>Support
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>>5474131

I agree with the idea of sharing our findings, minus our vision. I'm afraid they won't cooperate with us if we put our religious beliefs in the middle:
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>>5474174
No vision, they are more likely to believe it's a corruption attempt like what happened to Moravec. We could disprove by comparing it with the attempt of the plasmoid daemon, but then we would be breaking our promise with Mal.
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>>5474131
>>Accept their worldview, that the Micro-Omnissiah might be the truth.
A perfect melding of man and machine, never separate, rather fully whole and seamless.
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>>5474131
>Accept their worldview, that the Micro-Omnissiah might be the truth.
I'm inclined to believe this. Or at least that it is the motive force.

If we consider Ferrus Manus arms, and think of them as a machine (for surely they are being made of holy steel), it must be made of individual parts. Microscopic parts like the cells of flesh. Something must surely animate thos, not through any simple machine action or even electrical impulse, but something more pure, holier. Perhaps even at the molecular or subatomic level,.

That force can only be the spark of the Machine God, his motive force or the Omnissiah, which can manipulate the smallest of matter.
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>>5474151
Ditto,
Also CALLED IT
>>5474250
I'd love to pull a full blown mechanical Ascension, or a Biomechanical I suppose to really be a good Omnissiah.
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>>5474295
It is the penultimate goal of all Mechanicus to achieve true Apotheosis of Man and Machine.

Nanomachines and Necrodermis will achieve the blending of the body. After that, all that is left is the mind. As shown by the future Magos Uther Tiberius, who joined his consciousness to what would otherwise have been an Abominable Intelligence. The Soul of Man and the Spirit of Machine in one, satisfying the Machine Gods proclaim against soulless intelligence.

Uther Tiberius was also very much clearly blessed for the Machine God sent him the company of an Alpha Pariah. A good omen, who aided future inquisitors in defeating a chaos incursion.

There's other examples of people becoming one with the machine spirit, and at least one of those was verified to be holy and acceptable on Mars
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>>5474131
Mind = Blown
This ties in nicely to the HH mechanicum info about these subjects, very nice.
>Agree to see their research and take in some of their thoughts. The Omnissiah is still mystical, but not in the way Mars believes it to be.
Moravec = Emperor?
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>>5474131
>Accept their worldview, that the Micro-Omnissiah might be the truth.
It makes sense
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>>5474540
I'd say that the omnissiah written by Moravec is the emperor. To learn how to create (or trap) souls he made a deal with the warp gods in the past, and doomed half his sons to fall. His actions led to chaos reaching the apex of their power, even more so than the fall of eldar. So Moravecs chaotic prophecy is the Emperor declaring himself the omnissiah.
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>>5474131
>Agree to see their research and take in some of their thoughts. The Omnissiah is still mystical, but not in the way Mars believes it to be.
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>>5474131
>Accept their worldview, that the Micro-Omnissiah might be the truth.
Makes sense, and the key world here is "might"
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>>5474131
>>Accept their worldview, that the Micro-Omnissiah might be the truth.
"I cannot say if it is the truth, but i also cannot fault your logic."
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>Agree to see their research and take in some of their thoughts. The Omnissiah is still mystical, but not in the way Mars believes it to be.
>Share our own research on exceptional materials, non-warp phenomena, runes and worldly souls. Perhaps their finding are compatible?

Supporting this
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>>5474131
>Accept their worldview, that the Micro-Omnissiah might be the truth.
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>>5474151
>Support
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>>5474151
>support
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Agree to consider their thoughts, that the Omnissiah might be mystical in nature
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>>5474903

Accept their World View
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I'm a little sad TalOS is not going with the Micro Omnissiah, but at least now TalOS will be on the search for the True Omnissiah.
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>>5475018
The Micro-Omnissiah feels more like a part of the Motive Force than the Omnissiah in my opinion
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>>5475020
How I register it was that when you find the Micro-Omnissiah you find how the Machine God channels his power. That the Micro Omnissiah is the most perfect machine because it is all machines. You can say whoever becomes the Omnissiah is whoever controls it, or it might be that the machine itself is the Omnissiah vitue of being a pure piece of the Machine God. Essentially its a shard of the Void Dragon.
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>>5475023
Ah. Well in that case the Micro-Omnissiah still isn't the Omnissiah. It's the Machine God's fingers
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>>5475023
So we didnt go balls deep just yet
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>>5475023
Wouldn't that mean that the machine is the physical existence of the Machine God's will and the Motive Force is the spiritual existence of its will?

i could dig that.
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>>5475061
Roughly. Think of it as Machine God --> Motive Force --> Micro-Omnissiah --> Machine Spirit.

What is changing here and now is that TalOS will now search for the Omnissiah. He understands it as mystical and could be found, but wishes to seek it somewhere other than the smallest of machines.
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>>5475062
Interesting theological concepts. Would have been cool to hear your thoughts before calling the vote lol. Like maybe in a post after the green text detailing the significance of them.
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>>5475082
You make a sound point, but I thought I placed enough forward to get the point across. You guys picked the options I expected, which changes the Omnissiah from being a purely political position back to something mystical. Such a thing will come with interest as I feel at the 50-100 Yr. Mark TalOS will start mounting yearly exploratory missions to planets that caught his eye.
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I was confused why this thread was a -3, then I realized someone memed the Description.
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>>5475087
Scratch that, its even stupider, someone posted the wrong damn thread.
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>>5475089
Also it shouldn't be thread 11, since this thread is 11 and hasn't been archived yet.
You should probably contact Lord Licorice.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js6Dtv9qf68
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>>5475096
I think you posted it in the wrong thread anon, this isn't Fighting Spirit
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>>5475095
Hopped on the Discord and sent a message to the Admin there. Hopefully it gets carried on from there.
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>>5475098
you reading too? QM's about to start in less than an hour! It's a good song, great to bring out complex feelings out of you
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>>5475102
I do want to point out people noticed and were downvoting the thread, though none of you mentioned it. So huh.
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>>5475111
Probably was the people of Magical Girl for Hire.
By what I checked it seems, the QM went on a Hiatus two weeks ago (after 121 threads) but never archived the last thread.
So some anon was probably being salty.
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>>5475115
Probably, still I find it funny. I feel rather venerated that they chose my quest to troll and in such a lackluster way. Also, the description is a meme of itself:

>The glorious beginning of the Federal Empire of Miranda.

This tells me they have actually read the quest somewhat.
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>>5475121
So... a falseflag
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>>5475129
A reasonable guess, or just a troll. Actually in any instance it would be a troll.
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+I would like to take you up on that offer.+ TalOS said as he gave a solemn nod of understanding, +At first I simply thought the Omnissiah to be a position of political power, a uniter of the Mechanicum. It seemed though that it is far more than what we of Lucius thought.+

+That is the case, for they are part of the Holy Trinity.+ Answered Fabricator General Mani, +Come, let me show you what we have discovered.+

With those words TalOS spent several months reviewing the information that Galvia had. Such a large amount of time spent from Lucius was taken notice by numerous peoples, many of whom found it odd that the Primarch was spending far more time with a newly found Forge than he had even with Mars.

Of those people, none would bring it up. TalOS was too popular and many saw him as the perfect aspect of a Fabricator General. Many even argued that the Fabricator General had discovered something precious made by that cult and was taking into future consideration.

Those peoples were the ones that TalOS himself would agree with.

The Cult of the Micro-Omnissiah has essentially built an entire wing of science and mystical thought within their thousands of years in self-imposed exile. Normally such developments in science in understanding would have come rarely, but thanks to their immense focus upon all that was small they had learned things even TalOS had not known or considered.

What they focused upon was the micro-machines. How they can function and properly grant the Priest function. Already the ideas TalOS had were forming within his mind about what could be done with them to preserve both the lives of himself and his sons.

As he did this, he also shared some of his thoughts to his fellows. They talked about the visions and the secrets that TalOS had gleaned from what potentially be the Machine God. They exercised caution for their fellow Priest of course. These men however also recognized that these forces were not from the warp as they always occurred when TalOS was under the influence of a nullifier.

After roughly a month of study TalOS went back to Lucius and began moving to and from those locations. Occasionally taking trips to Galvia or inviting their Priests to his home on Lucius in order to fully realize their technology and help each other’s searches for enlightenment.

As this happened time went forward.
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The day was filled with learning and discovery for TalOS as he felt a small trinkle of technology flow through his body. It was an odd state of being knowing that TalOS should not have been able to feel their existence as they flowed through his body unimpeded.

The Priests of Galvia, happy with their relationship with the Fabricator General of Lucius, awarded him with a gift that would only be for their own Priests. What flowed through TalOS was billions of small machines that even the eyes of Primarch would not be able to see. They enhanced all things as well as repaired his body at a rate that would be hard to realize with any other piece of Technology. With every hour TalOS had the Nano-Mechanical Heart that pumped these Machine Spirits through his body, the Primarch modified these machines to best fit his body.

TalOS was always fascinated with his own body. Within him was likely the pinnacle of human achievement in an attempt to create physical demi-gods that would follow the Emperor into salvation. Thus he had studied and learned everything about it that he could. It was this knowledge that he could now employ to greater extents into the Nanomachines that flowed about him.

Still, he could not make the feeling of them going through him disappear. A quirk in his engineering at work, that much the Primarch was sure.

It did not mean it was a lost cause. Already TalOS was lending his mind to the people of Galvia in an attempt to create smaller and more able machines based on hypotheses collected from the Great Crusade. If applied, TalOS might be able to achieve a breakthrough and reach something further.

These thoughts waited though as TalOS saw a messenger come in. The messenger, to TalOS’s surprise, was none other than an Imperial Fist.

“Legion Master Matthias, it has been a while.” TalOS said as he welcomed the Imperial Fist with a phantom smile.

As those words reached the First he gave the Aquilla by the Imperial Fist in salute. As was tradition TalOS gave back the Cog Mechanicum, thus they declared in what capacities they were meeting here today.
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TalOS and the Fist looked at one another for a moment, TalOS beginning to monitor the man’s vitals thanks to his Power Armor. He felt within the man a small sense of hesitation and fear, but that was something he always had when he was around TalOS. A sense of reverence for someone who was a son of the Emperor.

“Fabricator General TalOS DAV1S of Forge World Lucius.” Declared the Imperial Fist declared with all the prompt and circumstance that was to be presented to him, “I have come to you bringing tidings from Rogal of House Dorn. I am to deliver to you his request that you appear at Mars for his ascension as Primarch as well as the matter of your role within the War Council.”

TalOS’s mind stopped for a moment as he heard those words and then started back up, “I see, so my brother wishes for me to appear at both his ascension and for the War Council. He does know the reason I did not join it.”

“My Primarch has, TalOS.” The Legion Master answered with a will regained now that his message was delivered, “He has heard the issues that your brother Fulgrim have caused and understands that your answer was not because of those actions. Right now he speaks to the Fabricator General of Mars to form an agreement.”

“He is?” TalOS TalOS kept the surprise from his voice as he heard those words. He has yet to be recognized as a Primarch and yet his brother is already working like one.

“Rogal Dorn has recognized the relationship that your Legions shared even before your rediscovery.” Admitted the Legion Master as he gave a bow, “If you are to come to Terra I am to attend you. If not, I am to carry your message to Terra with the greatest speed.”

TalOS thought to himself for a moment if he had the time, and in fact he did. He was very much caught up on the Terra Forming Projects and had already allotted time for his travels to Galvia. If anything he might make it a trip for many of his fellows Priests and others to Mars. The Question now is whether he wishes to show such favor to Rogal Dorn.

>Agree to come, we must make haste!
>Send him an invitation to Lucius.
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>>5475140
I fucked up the images. Here is a nano-machine.
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>>5475144

>Agree to come, we must make haste!
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>>5475140
>The day was filled with learning and discovery for TalOS as he felt a small trinkle of technology flow through his body. It was an odd state of being knowing that TalOS should not have been able to feel their existence as they flowed through his body unimpeded.

He can *feel* the nanomachines doing their work? What the fuck, a patient once said they felt a "blood clot" traveling through their heart because they were restless and read up online about heart attacks... but talos can, FOR REAL, feel the stuff??? feeling foreign things in your body is enough to get you panicking yet here we are.
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>>5475144
>Agree to come, we must make haste!
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>>5475144
>Send him an invitation to Lucius
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>>5475149
hmm... you could have picked up a cooler image... well, not COOLER but well, scientifical?

DAMN IT if this were alright I would have sent Rogal an invitatin to Lucius but I have been seething since forever because anons keep rejecting the travels to Terrrrra!!! Also, did I read this right? Rogal having his investiture in Mars and not Terra? whaa... don't tell me, is this how it went and I am too casual?

Voting for:
>Agree to come, we must make friends!!
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>>5475144
>Agree to come, we must make haste!
If the father is anything like the sons, then it is worth it.
Besides, we can check to see how things are going with Hal and backdoor.
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>>5475144
>Agree to come, we must make haste!
What two birds one stone? I don't really see why not but I don't mind being corrected if I'm wrong and changing my vote.
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>>5475086
Will this be before or after Rangdan invade? Hope you will let us confirm if most of the goals of our empire have been achieve before the exploration phase. I'm excited to have settle our affairs at home and resume being explorator lord. It counts as fulfilling our duties to the great crusade too and also expands the empire.
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>>5475144
>Agree to come, we must make haste!
>Bring D3X with us we need them to be present as we and our brother plan the defenses of the Federation
>Bring anyone else involved in strategic planning
Time at last work with another proper empire builder bro. We'll remake our lands in his vision and be like an unbreakable adamantium bastion
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>>5475183
No, he's just doing what his other brothers will not, talk to humans about political matters.
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>>5475245
Surely TalOS counts. He just limits the scope of his politics to within his own Federation.

The difference seems to be Rogal actually did what the Emperor hoped we would do, embrace the entire Imperium as his domain of responsibility, rather than a personal fiefdom as we have.
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>>5475144
>Agree to come, we must make haste!
The sons were good. The father will be even better. Let us get his expertise to look over our realm.
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>>5475144
>Agree to come, we must make haste!
I hope we can continue with the Nanobots and make them better over time, I assume they've given us a Regen factor or extra health but I wouldn't mind making a somewhat lesser version to give to our Sohns, a way untainted by the warp to communicate with them
>Nanobots help construct the Communitatis, a Mechano-Organ that allows Astartes to communicate with eachother and machine spirits with greatly increased efficiency
I'm just worried our sons might think we've abandoned them due to the lack of psychic link, also allowing our sons to go full NANOMACHINES SON would be pretty cool
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>>5475262
With Nanobots, especially if we upgrade it with Necron Tech one day, we could (and should) just replace our Psychic Link with our sons with a Quantum-Empathetic link. Achieve the same effect, but controllable, and without the need of the warp.

Not to mention with nanomachines in our brain, we can directly interface with any machine mentally far greater than any sort of implanted wireless device. They could even extend from our body, to interface directly with the circuitry of any machine.

The possibilities are astounding, and this isn't even with Cron tech.
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>>5475164
Simply put, he's a Primarch. Just imagine Angron's experince if TalOS suffers this.
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Hope everyone had a good Turkey day for those of you in the states. May you have feasted like the Knights of Dutonis and the Nobles of Manachea
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>>5475144
>Agree to come, we must make haste!

Maybe also integrate Dorn into our pact with Russ somewhere down the line?
He has his own realm as well after all.
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>>5475293
>Just imagine Angron's experince if TalOS suffers this.
I feel like this has the potential to be a major character quirk or even obsession of TalOS, the progressively blending of his flesh with steel. First via nanomachines, and if the Machine God willing, we find more of the living metal that became Ferrus Manus arms. At least one other space marine did and got their own Iron Hand, ironically an Iron Warrior no less.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Honsou

Like Angron when he embraced his butchers nails, or Fulgrim his new form, TalOS pushes his body deeper into the machine at even the cellular level, until every single cell is saturated with nanoprobes, where the lines between flesh and machine blur.
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>>5475293
Damn, I really hope our Medicae skills are up to snuff to help Angron remove the Nails and maybe even help his friends
>>5475279
Exactly, I can only wonder what would happen if we fed the Nanobots Auremite or used our skills as a Biologus to really fine tune our body from within
Hmm, just as a thought, I wonder if we could use our Nanobots to fix our Son's Geneseed personally or even share this blessing with them via a Communion of sorts
>Inb4 Talos giving his sons Communion Wafers made of Nanobots
>For it is both Flesh and Steel in one
It's kinda made for Eucharistic puns
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>>5475144
>Agree to come, we must make haste.
It seems rational to me, plus it would be very disrespectful to ignore his invitation after he acts in our interests so respectfully.
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>>5475144
>Agree to come

>>5475337
Agreed, I assume he started this project in part to pay us back for the support and friendship between our sons that we continued. In that light its just another step in the game of one upping each other.
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Hmmm this is really paying off isn't it. We should check up if the Ultramarines need help anytime soon while we are there. Roboute's another brother whose expertise, and allyhood, we would benefit from greatly.

Rogal, Roboute and TalOS. The Big Three empire builders of the Emperor's Sons.
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>>5475144
>Agree to come

If our brother is making this much of an effort, we should absolutely reciprocate.
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>>5475144
>Agree to come, we must make haste!
seems right and proppa
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>>5475325
that illustration is fukin goofy
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>>5475386
>the Emperor's Sons.
now hold on a minute
>>5475454
Oh nyo not my trip again!
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>>5475144
>Agree to come, we must make haste!
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>>5475144
>Agree to come, we must make haste!
Perhaps if talks with Rogal and Kelbor go well, we can still become Quartermaster of the Imperium but manage it from the Federation as our headquarters. It isn't as if the Imperium doesn't already care that the center of industry is on Mars rather than Terra, and spread out among other forge worlds.
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Agree to come with haste!
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Standard Invitation
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>Be reading Vengeful Spirit
>"Alpharius my son, what chance did you give my dream"
>This was in a private, *psychic*, communication with Malcador, with no reason to lie to him
Well shit, I guess the Emperor did legitimately see some of the Primarchs as progeny and beloved children. TalOS doesn't think he's telling the truth and just wants loyal tools. Feels bad,

Oh well, it's not unreasonable for TalOS to deduce that the primary purpose of his creation was specifically to be as weapons. If you were a Primarch and looked into your own Primarch body, you would see it looks far too much like a weapon meant to achieve a goal rather than just being offspring.

Then again, as the C'tan shard of the Pharos once said of the Emperor to Cawl, "he is not a god but a weapon".
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The trip over was not anything too special for the highest Priest of Lucius. During the time he was not operating the shuttle to safely guide it through the warp, TalOS was spending his time designing technology.

He also talked and welcomed numerous people in his order to finally come along. Now that the political climate was tame, TalOS was able to welcome a series of his fellows from Lucius and beyond on a real journey to the cradle of man and the heart of the Mechanicum.

Many who did join TalOS did not have the reason for going just to terra. TalOS counted his Reich Marshal Vadar among those who came, and ever since they departed into the warp he and Matthias were in the commons talking to one another.

Indeed that was a majority of their travels was the Fists and the Proelitors once again meeting after so long. Both talking about the campaigns they were a part of and the subtle claiming of their systems to their respective dominions.

Soon they arrived into the Sol System, and within less than a decade the changes made themselves evident.

Pluto now had a series of defense arrays as well as a communication outpost for the Astropaths upon it. Jupitor was now swarming with ships and fleets of all kinds that originated from the numerous moons that it possessed. Neptune’s ring was fully mapped and was now littered with smaller operations that hosted Rogue Traders and Mechanicum.

At the center of all this activity was the was Terra and Mars.

They approached Mars first and foremost, both to give greetings to the Fabricator General who holds their loyalty and the fact the man TalOS came to meet was there.

As they crossed Mars, TalOS’s eyes widened as his eyes came upon something he never thought he would see. It was as large as a moon, even larger than the Blackstone Fortress that he held dominion over. Its structure was elegant and its raw firepower enough to bring any other ship within the Imperial Fleet to kneel before them.

TalOS’s Data Dijins that were on Mars linked back to him and informed him that this fortress was the Phalanx, the Capital Ship of Rogal Dorn.
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TalOS’s arrival, unlike the other times, was not given much prompt and circumstance. TalOS did not mind this at all for he was not here to give a Triumph or display his being. He was here for business and that is how everyone treated it.

He arrived on the platform with a retinue of both Imperial Fists and Steel Wardens watching over his person. They all marched out of the Stormbird to be welcomed by the Skitarii and the Fabricator General himself. Upon sight of him TalOS bowed his head in subservience, which was quickly released with a wordless communication by the Fabricator General.

+Fabricator General TalOS,+ Kalbor Hal announced as he glanced at TalOS with powerful red eyes, +It is good that you have arrived in the system unharmed.+

+My Navigators were fine and we took the safest routes.+ TalOS told his liege before moving to logic, +While I know the events to occur have greater implications it does not mean one should risk their life against these storms.+


+Logic is sound.+ The Martian answered as he moved onto business, +You are here today to formalize the agreements that are between the Imperium and the Mechanicum in the matters of the War Council.+

+Then my brother has your ear?+

+He is firm in determination and stout of mind. Between the time he sent a ship to retrieve you and now he has been on Mars debating the Council, the Parliament, and myself that we make you the representative.+

+Was he successful?+ TalOS asked as he wondered more and more about his brother.

+I have no issue with it. Your tube-sibilings have been making it hard for the Mechaincum to send a representative into the War Council.+ Answered Hal with a good amount of annoyance, +They will host the Council several systems away without informing our representatives, with hold information from him, and seven times now have denied entry claiming they could not tell if he was the actual representative or another Priest all together.+
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TalOS felt his annoyance grow with those words, +Are my brothers juveniles?+

+You soured our relationship with the Emperor’s Children.+ Kelbor Hal answered as it was the first and most foremost, +This I believe is they exacting their wrath upon the institution that they believe ‘brainwashed’ their brother.+

+Brainwashed.+ TalOS fed those words back to his Liege with both annoyance and second hand embarrassment, +My apologies that Mars suffered from a decision that I made.+

TalOS could feel the joy coming from the binaric of Hal as he soon spoke, +You are forgiven, for what I understand and saw shows that you indeed did what you did in the best interest of the Mechanicum. What occurred because of that, the bullying and insults, area all because Fulgrim’s hatred of us has not been tampered by any of your other kin.+

+That would be until now?+ TalOS put forward with a hint of expectation.

+Your Seventh Brother has.+ The Fabricator General of Mars answered as he gave a small expectant nod, +As I have said he seeked out all who will hear him. He has given speeches to the Parliament and is currently in my audience chamber. If the Imperium finds more like him we will achieve greatness.+

TalOS gave a nod as he heard them ask, +And what did it cost him.+

+He has given us free reign to study the Phalanx until he leaves on campaign.+ Answered the Priest before another tidbit was given, +He was the one who recommended such a bounty for forgiveness.+

TalOS gave a small nod to hear that, knowing that indeed such a piece of technology would succeed in turning the opinion of the entire Mechanicum towards your favor. It was a worthy case, maybe even a greater cost than what was necessary. But he did it of his own volition.

+I shall give you my permission to be on the War Council.+ Declared Kelbor Hal before they even stepped into his facility, +I ask if you are willing to take this responsibility on top of being a Fabricator General.+

>I will join the Council.
>No, I will not.
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>>5475840
>I will join the Council.
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>>5475840
>I will join the Council.

I don't know if our Federation is self-sufficient enough (politically) to ensure it arrives to the future that we envisioned for it. On the other hand, this is the best offer we will get for helping the imperium and becoming its quartermaster, so i think we will have to take that risk.
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>>5475840
>I will join the Council.
Fulgrim is a huge bitch, although I'm glad our other brothers are being mostly cool about this
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>>5475840
>I will join the council.

>It would not do to snub my brother who has put so much effort and forethought into getting his way, to the benefit of all.
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>>5475840
>I will join the Council
Is this council just a bunch of autistic brothers and their secondaries planning wars and campaigns?
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>>5475840
>I will join the Council.
hope we'll still have time for science and federation building (even if it's off on the side). by the way are we also going to have relationship points to the legions/primarch's like we do with the priesthood, nobility and knights.
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>>5475840
>I will join the Council.
It's a good thing we have six arms, cause we're going to try to pull of a feat of intense juggling.

Still, we're joining the council, not becoming Warmaster. Roboute is going to be found next and if he could build his empire of 500 worlds with all the trimmings while also being a fundamental part of the council, we can too.
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>>5475840
>I will join the Council.
Our relationship with Mars is now restored, at least for now. We owe our dear engineer brother a debt, helping him improve the fortress cosplaying as a spaceship that he calls home, to the best of our technology would be a good start.
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Regards to the Phalanx, I bet TalOS is more than a little jealous another brother has a ship that is actually larger than us, and one that is more readily apparent that it was built by the ancients and human hands. But it's also I suppose, a triumph of our faith that something built by mankind could be so large and more powerful than ours that may have xeno influence. It's also a brother whose sons we like and I hope we get along with too.

Let's try to get in on studying it with the Martians, it could unlock information on super scale construction. Maybe we could unlock things about it that aren't obviously apparent even to Dorn. Even more so if and when we discover Port Maw of the Gothic sector and make it a massive shipyard, we can do what the Imperium did in late 40k and build on additional superstructure and weapons to the hull. Shrink that size gap.
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>>5475956
I would like us to (hopefully) find more Blackstone Fortresses since they were built to kill C'tan and we have (seemingly) repurposed them to be effictive anti-Chaos weaopns. Who knows, if we find enough of them and reversen engineer/retrofit them we might get something that can deal with the Eye of Terror, that would help out immensely when it comes to passive Chaos corruption.
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>>5475965
That is theoretically what an actual honest to god necron World Engine was built for too.

Speaking off, in each of these is an extremely dangerous secret we should be very careful about in our Fortress. A Webway Portal, one big enough to let fleets pass through including battleships. You know, the thing the Emperor desperately spent the later half of the crusade trying to speedrush as fast as we wish we could be doing any of our shit. He would send all 19 other brothers against us to confiscate it if he learned we have one that just needed to be repaired. Though, imagine if we did reverse engineer Dolmen Gates and got it working and said "Hey Dad, I got that thing you wanted". We would gain eternal positive favor with the Emperor.
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>>5475983
heh

>TalOS: and here is the pride of my fleet, the Blackstone Fortres!
>Emps: Very impressi.... what is that?
>TalOS: that? it is some kind of archeotech archway, i am not sure what it does.
>Big E:....
>TalOS:....
>E-man: Can i have it?
>TalOS: sure.

And so, the Horus Heresy was averted and mankind dominated the universe and beat back Chaos.

The End.
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>>5476014
Well, Fried Corpse Starch IS an family recipe
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I do want to throw this out there, its not guaranteed but its a thought. Its been about a year now with me writing 3 pages worth of text per day. Do you guys like the post count, or do you think going +1 on the page count would be cool? This will mainly be me experimenting with descriptors and such, since as a writer I realize I don't really write backgrounds or go in-depth for describing stuff. If any of you read a Black Library book you know they have a tome of Synonyms and I feel I should begin emulating that as a next step.

So, you guys want more of that or any other suggestions?
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>>5476019
If it's something that you want to experiment with, go ahead.
It's not like you can't return to three if it ends up not working out anyway.
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>>5476019
If you want to, then try it out and if it doesn't jell well, then you can just go back to the tried and true.

So, yes, try it out.
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>>5476018
sharing is caring <3
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>>5475840
>>I will join the Council.
YDESE YES YES YES YESFINALLY YESYEYYEYS
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>>5475956
W-well our ship is built different!!
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>>5476019
What? no, it would tax you unnecesarily
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>>5476019
It could be cool, just be careful. There isnt merit to longer updates for the sake of just being longer. That just leads to filibuster. What's better is more player agency or flexibility when it comes to federation actions when we arent on important narratives like visiting our brothers. There was some interesting player ideas on organizing the religion of Lucius, but instead an entire post dedicated to day of the week to host mass which isn't important... not forcing religion on others and establishment of a preaching order was an important. Being able to define at length or at least saying that we do when the senate is in session would be great, and better than having multiple posts going back again by splitting one subject matter into many. Especially since years seem to go by between posts. It's the content not the length that matters. There was volumes of things achieved TalOS said a single line and walked out with Vadar and AL4N to upgrade his sons. For battles, that's the time to get heavy with description. Even the black library writers reserve their most descriptive vocabulary for the battles.
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>>5476019
I'm always in favor of a writer wanting to practice their descriptiveness, I tried to be descriptive in the scenes I wrote in PDF.

Go all out if you want I say, but don't go with the mindset of 'having' to make three page all the time. Make as many page as you like if you want to be descriptive, the more one taps into their imagination the better.
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>>5476019
Yeah more fluff the better.
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>>5476019
It sounds okay, do it if you feel it doesn't hamper your devotion to daily updates which is commendable. Bear in mind it's not just synonyms and descriptors but black library authors use a lot of 40k terms and name drops which tie in the lore to the setting.

They don't just say "the powerful automata tore into the ranks of heretics with energy weapons melting the heretics flesh into hissing vapor" they say "the Conqueror Automata tore into the ranks of the heretics, Melta weapons and invisible rays of Volkaic heat cracking the air and turning flesh into hissing vapor". Instead of just saying Knights, you could say the class of Knight being deployed for example. What weapons its using.

Their tome of synonyms is full of copyrighted weapons and terms, which surprisingly works well.
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>>5475840
>No, I will not.
just to be contratian

>>5476019
I see no problem with how it is now, but if you want to go into more detail then you should do that.
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>>5476380
You think there is an intern working at the black library and they have to proofread the books and change every term?
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>>5476607
I'm positive that's what they do. Gotta make sure to advertise the IP. Personally, I like name dropping things. It let's us know that we have them and make use of them.
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>>5475840
>I will join the Council.
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>>5476744
Oh, like when sanguinus said "You are... the warhammer fourty thousand" to Horus right before his death
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>>5476760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sz2GNhsIFk
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>>5476760
Emperor is dying at the end of the siege of terra and a rogue trader comes down with his shipment of 40 thousand warhammers
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>>5475904
I mean...I think that is the actual truth. According to the books the Primarchs were NOTORIOUS for sidelining any other Imperial forces whenever given the opportunity in blatant favoritism of Astartes all the while screwing with each other. There is a reason why Big E was the only one who could keep them all in line. It makes sense though that Tal0S would be an exception since his brothers finally managed to find an excuse to forcefully bring him back into the Crusade albeit as a Quartermaster who also has to consider non Astarte forces and supplying them.

>>5475956
I would imagine he is far more interesting in studying it because Blackstone Fortresses are too advanced and huge not to mention Xenos. Whereas the Phalanx is purely human origin and makes an excellent case study for him.
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>>5477167
>Whereas the Phalanx is purely human origin and makes an excellent case study for him.
Indeed, that's the big part. It was built by humans. He could theoretically speak to its dormant machine spirit, or at least access records or make deductions on how such massive things were built.

And why not try and apply some of that to our Blackstone Fortress? The 40k Imperium just strapped on massive amounts of additional armor plating, void hive structures for millions, ecclesiarchal temples, and gigantic weapons batteries over its smooth surface. And they did this for all six of them. Surely it wouldn't be too much to upgrade one in honour of our Machine God, blessing it with his sacred symbols, runes and weapons.

I forget what scale QM said he wanted to do for the the Blackstone Fortress and Phalanx in regards to its size, but IIRC we are doing the novel scale rather than the video game scale where the Fortress is the size of a "small moon". Which makes sense because Guilliman was able to send the Terran Crusade Fleet through its webway portal, and it also held entire Chaos fleets inside itself. That includes sending in the Macragge's Honour so it had to be quite large.

Pic related are examples for the BF's scale compared to a Battleship, from 360km to 1100 km (1/3 the size of the Earth's Moon)
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>>5477202
Badass if it is the 3rd of the Moon size. Lucius has an L shape made of manufactories visible from orbit and Mars is building its iron ring. The Federal Empire can stand to a few megaprojects.
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Yes
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>>5476048
>>5476752

No
>>5476445

Alright guys its not unanimous. TalOS will not be the Warhammer /s
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>>5477232
You are in-fact not the Horus Hersay Talos.
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>>5477222
The problem with Lucius it is already a giant megaproject. Unlike Mars, it literally is one and the Admech just don't know how to fully utilize it because the deeper depths are a death trap on the level of Mars arcologies. Whereas Mars is simply restoring/rebuilding one VS Lucius how do we not accidentally go supernova?
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A lot of Horus madness came from the sheer stress of having to manage the resources of the Great Crusade. 18 brothers all vying for his attention, wanting this or that. On top of dad issues.

I hope us taking on some of the logistical headaches from him could do him some good.
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>>5477319
Maybe we should give him a Hershey's bar to de-stress
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>>5477330
Saint Hershey's of ancient Murrica. He who brought the Machine God's blessed industry to what was once so rare as to be seen as a food reserved for gods. Every Federal Auxiliary guardsman can thank him when they open up their ration pack.

I imagine we have at least one Agri-world dedicated tropical plants
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The Audience Chamber of the Fabricator General was as always the most exquisite that it could always be. The building was set upon a high point that looked down upon the entire forge that sat below him. It was a show of strength and dominion, a symbol that he was indeed the lord of the Mechanicum.

Looking around the room, there were a few bodyguards about it. Astartes and Skitarii held the same chamber thanks to those that were present within them. Neither side considered the other any real threat from what TalOS could see. They after all were allies for several decades at this moment and that deals were struck before their very eyes for those present. If bad blood were to form, both sides would be surprised to see it occur.

With TalOS and his Steel Wardens walking into the hall it was guaranteed that there were going to be no true bodied humans within the chamber. Each being that was present had in some way an augmentation to the point that men of the past would not recognize them as true humans.

Such a muse TalOS had as they turned a corner and finally reached the Primarch of the Imperial Fists.

He was a large man, as with every brother TalOS had met before him. In those terms TalOS was roughly equal to his size thanks to the augmentations, which is where the physical resemblances between TalOS and his brother ended.

Dorn’s face was stern, solid and powerful, looking to have been crafted with an artisan’s chisel. Arguably that might have been the case. What helped was the thick white hair that cropped his head that looked to be permanently kept firm as care was put into maintaining it. His muscles were defined and built with evidence of exercise upon them if TalOS’s Genetor eyes were not lying to him.

He wore a tunic and cloak that ran across the tunic. This tunic was held together with a simple pendant that held his Legion’s iconography upon it. If TalOS took in this sight, he would assume that the Primarch had accepted whatever roles that his previous Legion held.

As TalOS’s eyes wandered he saw the small diminished form of Lucius’s Previous Fabricator General. The old man and TalOS quickly shared a burst of binaric chatter as TalOS needed to give his respect to the Ancient before anything else. If the others noticed TalOS’s exchange with his predecessor, none in the room made a point in showing it.

With his two subjects taken in TalOS approached them all with a confidence within his stride.
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TalOS and Kelbor closed the gap between them and were soon upon them. TalOS and Dorn looked at one another in a moment of measurement. TalOS did not feel like he was being read for weaknesses or the such like Russ had, instead TalOS felt a measuring eye like Horus where one tries to know what the person before them is like.

Such a moment did not last long between the two of them as the Primarch of the Imperial Fists walked forward, “I am Rogal of the House of Dorn. It is my honor to meet you, brother.”

TalOS extended his arm in the similar greeting, “I am Fabricator General TalOS DAV1S of Lucius. I share a similar honor, Rogal Dorn.”

The man’s face did not change but he did shake the hand of his brother. From that moment’s exchange TalOS could feel the regal fervor that likely carried itself through the being of Dorn. The Fabricator General would equal it to the Lords of Dutonis, which put forward the idea in TalOS’s head that Dorn was in fact a lord of his realm. If records showed themselves well, he was the Emperor of Inwit.

“Rogal Dorn.” The mechanical voice of Kelbor Hal came out as the two brothers broke off from one another, “I hereby inform you that TalOS DAV1S will be joining the War Council as my representative.”

The Primarch before TalOS gave a small bow of reverence as those words were spoken, “I thank you for coming to an agreement Kelbor. TalOS, I look forward to working with you on the Council.”

“I must agree with you again.” TalOS teased as he gave a hearty laugh much unlike most Priests of the Mechanicum.

“We must discuss to what capacity that TalOS shall represent the Mechanicum.” Kelbor Hal pushed forward, “As well as a way for him to balance his responsibilities. He is a Fabricator General first and foremost.”

With those words they began to discuss what shall be given and taken. The hammering out that unlike the other Members, TalOS will not be expected to lead whatever armies he is to represent. Such things needed to be hashed out lest his fellow brothers badger on him for the lapse in combat. And TalOS knew that if there were any other Primarchs like Fulgrim they will surely come.
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Agreements were had and a few concessions were formed for the allowance. TalOS felt that a good chunk of these were already created between Kelbor and Rogal, but confirmation was needed from TalOS before the final contract could be made.

At the end of this TalOS was given a voiceless communication from the Ancient Priest that stood at Dorn’s side. It was a simple invitation to the Fortress that currently floated within the orbit of Mars. Such a think TalOS could not reject even if it was only to talk to his brother in a more private venue.

Thus when the contracts were closed TalOS boarded his personal shuttle and followed the one that Dorn commanded up into space. The two of them were led to the massive starship whose side was evident no matter where you were standing upon the planet of Mars.

Upon the arrival TalOS studied and noticed that much of the structure was just like the more basic Imperial Ships that they rode about. Though one would admit that the vessel was far more advanced than anything that the Imperium currently had. If just a few secrets could be gleaned from the Machine Spirit that adorned this vessel than the a great many flagships could be crafted.

TalOS left his vessel only to follow Dorn as the two wordlessly traveled the vessel. TalOS could see the numerous peoples running the vessel, many of them giving instructions and information to the Priests who were sent to investigate and bless the ship. The posse began shedding person after person with TalOS’s fellow, Lucius, leaving them for a group of Martian Magi that were going right for Dorn. Taking the hint TalOS allowed his Steel Wardens to stand outside the room so that the privacy that Rogal was engineering for them.

The two of them arrived at a table that had stone chairs that were large enough for a Primarch to comfortably sit in. TalOS did so while also handling a small barrel of drink between the two of them. On the other hand he wielded a pair of glasses that were also collected from the Steel Wardens, who had carried the drinks from the Stormbird they flew in upon.

TalOS swiftly poured himself a drink with skill that would make all servants of rich nobles flustered out of professional envy. As he got one for himself he looked towards his brother, “Would you like a drink? It is of my own making for those with our biology, using methods gleaned from our brother Leman Russ.”

“Yes.” Dorn said simply, to which TalOS filled the second mug to the brim with the same skill demonstrated earlier.
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“Thank you.” Rogal Dorn said as he was handed his drink. The man took a small drink of it for himself in a sort of test with a hint of surprise upon his face, “Interesting. This is based on Leman’s Mjorn?”

“Heavily so. It was our brother that learned the secrets to overcoming the anatomy of an Astartes. I took it one step forward and made it palatable.”

“How long did it take to make?” Asked the Primarch of the Imperial Fists as he seemed to decide it was best to engage in small talk.

“A week’s research time, but it took over several months of waiting.” TalOS admitted as he gave a phantom smile, “Do you enjoy it?”


“It is serviceable for social gatherings, but that is all. It is odd to feel a drink that has a real influence upon me.” Admitted the Steel Browed Primarch with a hint of surprise.

“Such is a difference between us an mortal men.” TalOS pointed out with a hint of glee within his gullet, “I would take this as a moment to feel what they feel. For my Legion this is one of the ways they keep in touch with each other and what they were before the Legion.”

TalOS watched as Dorn gave a nod to those words in understanding. That was enough for TalOS, for he did not need to bring others into his fold but only show them that he really did care.

“First I wanted to take this moment to thank you Brother.” Were the words that were said next, “I have seen and read the records of what you have done for my Legion. I have talked to and understood that many of my sons enjoyed the presence of the Steel Dragons. With the presence of the Auxiliary they were not only able to destroy several Ork and Xeno Empire, but broker a vassalage with several Kingdoms that would not have done so otherwise. I want to make sure that we continue this transaction.”

“I have no reason to stop it. My Elder, Magos Lucius, appears to be a valued advisor to you and that is repayment enough.” TalOS answered back remembering his fellow.

“He has been the greatest help these last few days. I would not have him as an advisor simply because of nepotism.”

“As it should be.” Agreed TalOS.

>Discuss the future of the Great Crusade
>Faith and Religion.
>Hobbies
>Fellow brothers
>>Legion name in progress, yes or no on it?
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>>5477385
>Hobbies
>>Legion name in progress, yes or no on it?
I like it. Steel because Lucius and Dragon because of our god our title.
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>>5477385
>>Hobbies
>>Legion name in progress, yes or no on it?
Yes
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Also, that image made me remember that this little guy used to exist.
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>>5477385
>Hobbies
>Legion name: is good : D


Notes on new writing style:
It is quite nice and i do like that it adds a bit more description of the environment that TalOS is in, but i can see some places where there can be some improvements on the flow.

For example: in the last part of the update you say "Were the words that were said next," which break up the flow of the update and doesn't really bring anything new to the story. Instead, if you wished to make a break in his speech, you could make it so that he moves or some other actions happens that would give a reason for why there is a break in the speech, such as "Stopping to take a sip, he looked at TalOS once more and continued".

Overall though, while there are a couple of the small things, these are just the walking pangs of progress and i am 100% sure that this will only improve the story (also, i personally enjoyed this new writing style).
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>>5477385
>Fellow brothers
>Yes
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>>5477385
>Hobbies
>Brothers
>Future of the Imperium at large
I actually kind of dislike Talos being spoken of where they say he's a "Fabricator General first and foremost", he's a Brother, a Son, a Father (technically at least), not to mention being a Priest of Lucius and a Primarch.

Also, Steel Dragons is a pretty cool name. Drachens Auf Stahl or Dracones Ferro (although that's a tad close to Ferrus Mannus)
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>>5477385
>Discuss the future of the Great Crusade
>(if we can have two)
>Hobbies
Business before pleasure. Dorn is a man of business first and foremost.

>>>Legion name in progress, yes or no on it?
Steel Dragons [Yes]

It fits so well. Space Wolves, Iron Hands, Salamanders, Steel Dragons.
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>>5477385
>>Faith and Religion.
No way you don't have something to believe in, brother?

>>Legion name in progress, yes or no on it?
>>>I do like it, but I keep feeling it's more a Chapter name than a proper Legion name... why is this?
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>>5477385
>Hobbies
>Steel Dragons. Yes.
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>>5477385
>Fellow brothers
>Faith and religion.
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>>5477385
>Discuss the future of the Great Crusade
Lets do the most important thing first
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>>5477385
>Discuss the future of the Great Crusade
We are both men of purpose and vision, let's get to work.
>>Legion name
Steel Dragons is fine
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>>5477385
>Hobbies
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>>5477385
>Discuss the future of the Great Crusade
A better person to discuss hobbies and artistry is Sanguinius, with Dorn we have a man of a man of focus, commitment and sheer fucking will
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>>5477385
>> Astro Dragons
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>>5477385
>Discuss the future of the Great Crusade
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Hobbies
>>5477401
>>5477407
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>>5478073

Fellow Brothers
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>>5477722

Discuss the Crusade
>>5477505
>>5477763
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>>5478270

Faith and Religion
>>5477534

>>5478266 - Hmm... I would say yes if there were no Space Wolves.
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The room fell into a quiet stirring as the two had their drinks. If TalOS had to say this silence was more fact of the matter. Rogal did not seem to be the social type of ruler, but the pinnacle of military command from TalOS’s own reckoning. There are numerous legends about people like him, where they either usurp power or are born into it. For most of history, if they are born into power they will succeed greatly while if they claim it for themselves will be murdered by those who they sought to rule over.

Such is human nature. No one likes being taken advantage of or being dominated by even insiders. People like Dorn do not have the innate human connection to build up a powerbase to resist these threats. So, if they instead become a leader through the merit of self or family, they get the benefits of both worlds.

TalOS took notes on this thesis and then considered his options. It was rare for two brothers to sit like this at their ages, even considering that they are Primarchs. TalOS knew several Serfs who willingly divorced themselves from their family because they could, as well as many others who simply lost that capacity during their lifetimes.

The best way to prevent this was to form a true friendship with them and make the family member want to be with you. And the best way to do so was to find things that could be used as common interests.

TalOS also needed to set the record straight for one item.

“Rogal, do you have any projects you are in the middle of working on? Anything other than getting your Legion back together?” TalOS asked while making sure he used his First name to confirm that such previous formalities are not necessary.

“Most of my time has been consumed through reorganizing my Legion. Legion Master Matthias was good at his duty but I have seen many cracks within the structure that needed to be filled. This takes time, and because it takes time I have not had much time for other things.” Admitted Rogal Dorn as he spoke. Normally people would not answer like that, but it seemed to TalOS that his fellow Primarch wanted to make sure he had a perfect understanding of what was being said.

TalOS watched his brother take a sip of the drink in a courteous fashion, “When I do have the time I have been reading. I was taught that an unsound mind is far worse than any failure in the physical defenses. I agreed with his assessment and have been employing it.”

“I agree as well.” TalOS answered back with triumph to ask, “And who was this person?”

“My Grandfather.” Answered his brother.
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“He was surely a great man then, to have earned your respect.” TalOS told his brother, making sure that a good amount of heart traveled in his words.

“Patriarch Eadred Dorn was a powerful man that I learned much from. He was greater to me than my adoptive Father who died fighting a war he started.” Dorn gave it, as always, both straight and with as much context as one could ask of him.

“Such are the troubles of war. My family is not one built on war or rulership but knowledge. I believe my station to be influenced by both my genetics and divine connections to the Imperator Titan, Particep Semper.” TalOS decided he was going to join his brother in giving as much details as he could, “All of this to say, my parents are both currently alive and will be unless Lucius was to fall.”

Dorn took up a slight furrowness of the brows as he questioned, “I have read information on Mars about Titans. I understand why you would want to become a Princeps, but I do not understand why you let the Machine influence you.”

“Because that is the natural order of things and I know that Particep Semper was something I was meant to have. Such is the divine will of the Machine God to have introduced me and the Titan together at such an early age.” TalOS answered his brother’s question with what he thought to be enough detail, “Was there anything that your Grandfather taught you that you are still doing today?”

It looked for a moment that Dorn was wanting to say something about their previous conversation but went with TalOS’s instead, “Scrimshawing. My Grandfather used it as practice to steady his hands and to settle his mind when outside forces seeked to undermine it.”

TalOS did not need even a second to search the Mechanicum’s database to learn exactly what his brother was talking about. Records were that on Inwit, the carving of bone was one of the few forms of art that the planet produced. Even then few practiced it though instead taking part in societal dealings as no person could make a living from art. Those who did it were those who either had a religious leaning or did so because it was a hobby.

“Do you have some projects you could show me?” TalOS asked with a hint of desire.

He watched his brother weigh the options behind his eyes. TalOS wondered what could prevent him from giving instant access to those items, likely the fact they were private to the man and his family. Pressure would not work here, TalOS knew, he needed Dorn to open himself to his brother.

“Yes, follow.” Answered the Primarch before rising and moving out of the room with TalOS in toe.
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The two traveled through the yellow stone walls of the Phalanx for roughly fifteen minutes. As they did so TalOS noticed a great variety of Barracks, Gun Emplacements, and even an interior rail system. The amount of these things made sense to TalOS who had designed the inner workings of the Blackstone Fortress.

If people could not travel between one area and another with ease then concessions to the issues would be made. Both the Phalanx and the Blackstone Fortress both suffered the fact that they were bigger than even standard cities. Thus numerous Barracks littered the station with all the amenities that were required to sustain those people’s living. Lastly, quick transportation was given to get people like commanders from one end of their department to another.

TalOS had built his Fortress in much the same way and it only confirmed his hypothesis on the management of people in such a large station.

They made a turn in a few hallways and into a nondescript door that TalOS might have mistaken as any other door. The only difference was that it had signs of modification likely to accommodate the resident who took up the room.

Walking through the threshold TalOS saw a room that was covered with yellowish stone and aged walls. About one wall was a large tapestry of lineage of House Dorn, showing the numerous peoples that originated from an Arthur Dorn. TalOS quickly counted two hundred eighty six names with sixty two pictures showing the family members who mattered. The next second TalOS’s eyes tracked down Eadred, which tracked down to Eadwig to end with Dorn himself at the very end of the family tree.

TalOS took another second to look upon it with interest as it held within its meaning. He could hear the steps of Rogal change as he took notice of TalOS’s own change in demeanor. He did not say anything though to not interrupt TalOS’s admiration of the mural.

“It is odd to see you within a family tree. Your family must have seen themselves in you to make you the Patriarch.” TalOS mentioned as he noted the symbol that stood next to Rogal’s name and the fact he was center top of the entire art piece.

“They did.” His brother answered as if that was enough information to convey all the meaning to TalOS. And in TalOS’s opinion it was enough information.

As they left TalOS noted that the painting was not one that would have been made on Inwit, for records did not show them as a culture of painters. To his eye, TalOS was sure that it was either made in the system or by the hands of an Imperial Artisan. Either way it showed that it was either Rogal or a member of his immediate family who had it made.
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TalOS was now walking into what he quickly identified as a workshop of some kind. His eyes marked out a series of tools and engineering replicas from projects that are currently in construction. Plastered about the place in easily understood logic were diagrams of ongoing projects.

Some of these were battle plans, others were schematics for buildings. TalOS glanced over to see entire shelves filled with rolled up parchment that likely contained both finished and future projects of Rogal’s.

Examining the contents of these pictures TalOS knew for sure that this man was the Father of the Imperial Fists. It could be called uncanny how close they are to their genesire when it comes to interests. TalOS wondered if that was caused due to their geneseed, or the mind of Rogal Dorn being so put together that it psychically pressured his sons to operate similarly.

Rogal was swift in his movements now as he was filled with determination. There was no reason to second guess what he was about to do and follow through with his decision so that there was no errors. In doing so he swiftly approached a chest and released a series of levers and locks that those not in the Priesthood would not understand. After these the lock box before them unlocked itself and Rogal took out a small container which was handed to TalOS.

The Tech Priest that was TalOS did not look at the contents but the box that they were held in first. The box was actually a resin-like cube that sealed off the item from the outside while also suspending it in the middle of the container. There were no signs of suspension wiring, which a quick ping of the room revealed a suspension device that was hidden within the workshop.

Rogal Dorn had been telling the truth when he told TalOS that he was true. He had been recently working on permeating his project so that it would last millenia.

“That is from a beast that I cared for on Inwit by the name of Mecarn. It was the largest Lorn that my Grandfather acquired for me, and to my Grandfather’s recommendation I made it as a memento of its life. It is how I started scrimshawing, as I wanted to make sure my skill was adequate for the task at hand. The material it is encased in was a boon I got from the Fabricator General as I noticed the bone itself was degrading.” The last part Dorn mentioned, likely because he noticed TalOS was examining more than the bone itself.

As he said TalOS looked over the bone itself and felt awe. It was not a simple picture but instead taking advantage of the bone itself for art. Everything was covered with what TalOS realized to be memories of events Dorn experienced with the beast within his hand. Of numerous explorations and even battles the two had taken apart in, carved into bone.

It was beautiful.

>Continue with the Bone Carvings
>Talk about the structures and fortifications.
>Family lines and honoring them.
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>>5478480
>Continue with the Bone Carvings
>Share some of our own work from our hobbies (drawings and schematics)
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>>5478480
>>Continue with the Bone Carvings
>Tell of Lucius' culture of Artificers, and the works of our children and friends.
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>>5478480
>Talk about the structures and fortifications.
>Family lines and honoring them.
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>Continue with the Bone Carvings
No need to deviate at this point.
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>>5478492
in order of most important to my vote.
>Continue with the Bone Carvings
>Share some of our own work from our hobbies (drawings and schematics)
>Tell of Lucius' culture of Artificers, and the works of our children and friends.
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>>5478480
>Talk about the structures and fortifications.
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What sort of drawings and schematics do you think TalOS would have done in his spare time?

Unlike Perturabo, we were born on a planet of technology and means, so we wouldn't really be envisioning bridges and architecture we'd just build it.

I would imagine TalOS engineering holograms and schematics are for grander greater things, beyond even the means of the current imperium/mechanicum and in need of lost or missing STC technologies. Old Federation wonders he's heard of yet to be found or rebuild like dysons spheres, artificial habitats, or the impressions of a completed machine based only on a few scraps.
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>>5478584
What you expect Dorn to have made designs of.
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>>5478584
I think that TalOS would have made drawings of his family, waifu and his children; that being both Astartes and the Blank children we adopted. To this, i also think he has made several drawings of Lucius itself; both how it is right now and how he envisions it will one day be.

Most other drawings will most likely be of the human body (he is a genetor afterall) or nanomachines (since that is what he currently is working on and so would most likely still have on his person, instead of on a private server)
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>>5478594
Oops, read this wrong. TalOS is of course building planets at the moment, he likely has designs for his next evolution of Nanites. Unlike Dorn, he does not use paper but either store them in his onboard cogitators or in Lucian Hardware.
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>>5478594
Yeah it is something they might share in common even. Dorn also came from a space faring empire too, so it's likely he designed wonders as well.

STC's are only fragments of greater databases, and TalOS and Dorn would dream of what the true database is 'filling in the blanks' as it were. This applies to architecture, machines and so on.

>>5478608
That also makes sense. Familial portraits done by his own mind. He is a Genetor after all, the master Genetor. The one who matched the Emperor himself in crafting supersoldiers, that were deemed worthy to carry alongside the astartes. He might have made some interesting realizations on the Primarch body for example. Not to mention maybe laying the seeds for his own version of Primaris later down the line, as it was also a Mechanicum effort too.
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>>5478616
Ah, I smell Synth-Flesh on the horizon. If there was any one man to achieve a true Symbiosis of Steel and Flesh, not simply implants and augmentations, it would be TalOS.

And yeah, I can see that TalOS wouldn't use paper (outside of blessed prayer scrolls, but even those would be digitally printed on for maximum holiness), but some sort of direct neural interface. He thinks of a design, and it is instantly digitized into electronic form.
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>>5478480
>Continue with the Bone Carvings
>Share Talos' own work on projects
I'm liking Dorn, he seems like a kindred spirit
>>5478621
I'm certain he's working on a Primaris equivalent, he'd want to have one "model" of Son instead of two competing versions
>inb4 Bringing in Nanomachine Baptisms that completely transform Astartes and Acillians into Archangels of the Machine God
>>5478584
I could see Talos doing high tier mathematics to relax, or even trying to access the "universe's source code" (like the various Necron "Magics" that don't use the Warp)
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>>5478473
>TalOS in toe.
You know, the fact that you don't proof read this things is part of the quest by now. It has its charm
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>>5478616
>T4L0S in his free time
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Oh no this time I didn't tripfag at least... I tried to post one ascii art but it was a whoopin too many characters
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>>5478480
>>Family lines and honoring them.
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>>5478997
No, I wrote that knowingly. When you write even 3 pages the mistake of writing toe instead of tow happens consciously.
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Alright we are getting to a huge story point, namely being the Rangdan Xenocides. If I remember correctly it started a bit after Magnus being found, which will be soon considering Rogal is already here
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>>5479019
Well then, you know what time it is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg2IooEFTp8
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>>5478492
>support
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>>5479019
Roboute is next, then Magnus. There will be three phases of the battle. The first will probably not involve us directly but we will hear about it from the 1st Legion (canon records of the war actually were recovered from Xana) and it will be a terrible shock.

By that time, the Imperium will have finished up and introduced the Gloriana Battleships. Spoilers but: The Dark Angels will be the first to wage war on them, bringing in 3 battleships and a host of 50,000 marines and 100,000 men. Without going into too much detail, the Imperium saw the vast host of the Rangda and thought it had to be their capital. The Rangda had legions of enslaved human soldiers with neural collars, horrific soldiers on par or maybe better than space marines, and commanders able to match the skill of the veteran xeno hunting chapter master of the Dark Angels. Their fleet matched the Imperials in weight and size (even with battleships), and was made even worse by the presence of a battle-moon that itself alone could match the fleet. In the end the Dark Angels lost 1/10th of the space marines they brought, huge numbers of humans, and 1 out of the 3 flagships they brought which was practically irrecoverable after ramming into the battlemoon.

And then it turns out, this was only a 'small outpost' on the fringe of their territory


The 2nd one will be even worse for us, because: that one is going to be a true galactic scale invasion of massive proportions, and a massive force of them will penetrate deep into Imperial territory and attack Xana itself.

For these reasons and more, I pray that we will have made some really spectacular industrial and military reforms and upgrades. The introduction of Adsecularii Covenants (Tech Thralls) legions, and the conversion of Penal Brigades to act as our proper guardsmen so the Skitarii aren't the ones thrown into the meat grinder. We're terraforming planets, so I hope at least a number of those are Heavy Worlds the better to raise abhuman Ogryn regiments.

The Dark Angels ground themselves to a shadow of their former self, because while they started older and bigger than everyone else (including us I bet), they had no empire to speak of. Just destruction. We won't succumb to that fate.

Also Horus and Roboute did the shrewd thing of being 'busy' in the western front with their legions while the 1st was getting beat to a pulp by the rangda coming in from the east. Clever bastards. All the more ironic given if the 1st didn't hold back the Rangda tide, it would be Guilliman's empire they would go for next. And, well, us.

Right now, though, we absolutely, positively, MUST get Rogal Dorn's aid in organizing the macro and strategic defenses of our Federal Realm.
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>he'd want to have one "model" of Son instead of two competing versions
Yeah. Can't forget that prior to his discovery, he had already developed variants of geneseed and even the Magnificat. A geneseed unique to our Acillians that no astartes has.

In theory, our Acillians could be capable of even more muscular growth and size than their astartes counterparts. Though, it's less evident they probably just build bigger size bionics and prosthetics anyway.

Consider that there are Iron Hands Primaris who just decide to robotify their bodies like the rest of their bretheren. They just build Primaris scaled bionics and replace their flesh with it. Even the skulls. (there's mention that some Iron Hands don't take off their helmets to reveal their face, because their helmet has become their face). But nothing stops us from doing that right now to both our Acillians and our Astartes.

I can just imagine the look on Fulgrim's face when he fought us, seeing our Steel Wardens standing a foot taller than his Pheonix Guard.
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>>5478480
>Continue with the Bone Carvings
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>>5478480
>Talk about the structures and fortifications.
>>5479246
The xenocides will be a meat grinder type of war. Therefore, we should aim to become a meat production plant. Thereby overwhelming the grind with the weight of our numbers.
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>>5478480
>Talk about the structures and fortifications.
I bet Dorn has interesting scale models in his room. Big ones.
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Bone Carvings
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Structure and Fortifications
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Lord Licorice came through for us! Even if its archived now we will not have any issues continuing the thread thanks to how the system archives threads.
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>>5479465
He is a based man.
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“This is far more than what records originally dictated to me.” TalOS admitted this as he rotated the cube within his hand from one side to another.

There was a logical order from the art which adorned the piece of bone, which was obviously chronological in making. Each event is roughly a single unit in size yet the closest eye of TalOS could see the workings upon it.

The first was of the beast’s birth, the details of the sire and dam shown next to the beast. TalOS could tell that these were large creatures themselves from the stray plants that Dorn had inscribed next to them. They looked old though, too old for any standard organic creature to produce viable offspring. Such was the reason TalOS realized the fully grown version of the beast stood just a little ways from them, a concession TalOS was sure. Ultimately TalOS weighed that Dorn did not want to violate the image of the two beasts through reimagining, instead he used their older versions from when he first caught sight of them.

The image was turned and TalOS saw the beast was being bought. There he could see Rogal, already the size of a man, looking at a massive creature with a man that was roughly the same size as himself. TalOS quickly deduced from the tapestry earlier that this man was Dorn’s Grandfather with another man who TalOS assumed to be the original owner. A bag of coin changed hands to pay off the beast. If TalOS knew his brother well enough now that if he used everyone as reference he would be able to determine how much the beast cost.

The next images were a series of scenes depicting the care of the beast. Of Dorn brushing, cleaning, and breaking the steed for war. The detail was so great that the Genetor identified signs of joy and frustration upon the creature’s face. As TalOS weighed the ideas it was recognized that the beast truly did value its owner as it did the other way around.

Next were the battles the two took part in. These were the greatest of the fights as they showed Dorn and his Steed both armored on a rampage against enemy lines. One frame demonstrates a deep impact of a kick into a normal human’s jaw by the steed as Dorn took the battle from the front. Maybe this demonstrated the time Rogal really did rely upon it, to gain his utmost respect as it saved his life.

It was after all of these that TalOS saw the moment where the creature fell in battle against a powerful foe. With a large broadsword that could only be wielded by a Primarch of his size. It was dead, the last frame showing his brother lift it off the battle towards its last resting place.

TalOS took the last moment to comprehend the eulogy of images, the beauty it held, then handed the bone back to his brother.
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“Even the Artisans of Lucius could not create something as beautiful as that Rogal.” TalOS admitted as he gave a somewhat hearty laugh, “I am sure they would like to take some lessons from you.”

“I cannot give them due to the matters of war. If there was a time that could happen I do not yet know it.” Dorn said outright to make sure no accidental agreements would have been made.

“Such is the times of war.” TalOS answered while looking up to think, “Our brother Ferrus is much the same. There is no time for dally, we must be on the war footing.”

“I would not give into such haste, not yet.” Rogal Dorn counted as he began searching the box for another carving, “I have yet to understand the Galaxy I find myself in. A few months ago I was an Emperor, now I am the son of another Emperor. As I stand here I see change is happening rapidly. I need to grasp it, then my actions will be clear.”

“You are the one who brought a few of those changes though.” TalOS pointed out while gesturing his hand towards his brother, “You were the one to bring me here to bring a fundamental change in our relationship.”

“That is because I knew it could and should be done. Your decision was two fold, that as a vassal you will not step out of line and that our brother slighted you. Both are valid.” The Primarch took from the crate a larger piece of bone that was also contained in resin, “Our brothers will do nothing and our Father has other worries to deal with. I provided a solution where others did not.”

The Imperial Fist Primarch handed to TalOS the resin container. He took the time to look over it, realizing that instead of numerous tales upon it TalOS was looking at a diorama of battle. As he progressed through the timeline. Men died, an advantage gained, and a righteous victory was found. He also noticed that each of the men within the image had a name.

“A memorial to a battle, for those who were lost to gain victory.” TalOS put forward as he looked upon Rogal’s final image of triumph.

The Lord of Inwit nodded as he extended a hand, “Those are all the men I lost that day, with this limb being from a beast that was lost during the fighting. It is a way to remember them and make sure that their sacrifices are honored.”
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The idea and facts that were presented to TalOS was something, “It is a good way of memory. Personally I have each of them cataloged and marked, with their remains being used to build the future. Such is the way of the Mechanicum.”

Rogal spoke as TalOS handed over the piece of bone, “I have plans for the future. Already a place has been marked out upon the Phalanx for my sons to mark their names. I have already requested Malcador to get me the names of those who were lost before my arrival, so that they can also be given their honor.”

“It is a good way to do so. The Mechanicum has done so for illustrious magi, such as naming retrieved tech after them or manufactoriums. It all depends on the value of their sacrifice and what it achieved.” TalOS started with the hints of his faith.

“Then that is how you will do it.” Dorn said as his expression changed somewhat. He walked ten paces in another direction towards what TalOS identified to be a workstation. A series of small and micro drills were on the desk as the Primarch revealed a box about twelve units tall and five units wide.

Those same locks were relieved of their duty for the Primarch to lift what was a cover from the box itself. First TalOS noticed the wood which acted as a frame for glass, the workmanship of which TalOS knew was Rogal’s own handiwork. Inside of it rested a cloth after which TalOS saw a skeletal hand resting within it.

Rogal Dorn focused upon the hand for a long time measuring it. He then looked away from the hand and towards his brother, “This is the hand of Eadred Dorn, my Grandfather. I did not realize it at the time, but when my Grandfather taught me Scrimshawing he meant for my skills to be used at this moment. Whoever succeeds the ruler shall Scrimshaw the bones of their predecessor in honor of him. My Adoptive Father died before he could take the throne, so I am Eadred’s de facto successor. So it is my responsibility.”

That was not a surprise as even TalOS experienced that. That was likely the reason why this was brought up because they were both raised to succeed their rulers. TalOS was aware something was off the moment Particep Semper was put in his name. That does not happen unless you have gained the ire of the Fabricator General.

“I have talked to others and taken their considerations. I want your opinion, as someone who did not know him in life you might say something others have not.” Rogal placed in TalOS’s hands.

>His greatest achievements.
>A accurate a story as can be made.
>How you saw him as
>Other *Write in*
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>>5479489
>A accurate a story as can be made.
>The Mechanicum values knowledge above all. If you were to represent history, do it the closest it can be done.
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>>5479489
>A accurate a story as can be made.
>"we are all defined by what we do with our life and what our actions bring, both the good and the ill, with this in mind, i think the right thing to do would be to portray him as accurately as possible, so everyone can know the man that he was and not the image that others might imagine him to be."
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>>5479515
>Support
reminded me of this. which is just a pure hit of nostalgia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNEqkOhFlgQ&ab_channel=Grax43
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>>5479489
>>A accurate a story as can be made.
>>It's History brother. All data is sacred, and it must be preserved
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>>5479576
One day I will cease this trippery I swar
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>>5479576
You are gonna keep using that trip.
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>>5479578
It's from a quest called Mega Mercs you see. Battletech inspired. Twelve players against one cherry picked by the QM. He beat our asses...
As you can tell my mech has a big gun
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>>5479582
>Battletech skirmish
Based.
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>>5479489
>A accurate a story as can be made.
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>>5479582
Based Battletech.
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>>5479487
This is actually a very touching scene and the art is well picked. Good job QM.
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>A accurate a story as can be made.
>Other: Tell Rogal about our traditions of storing data in the bones of our honored dead. We now have new access to nanite technologies, and can store data in such a way that is not visible to the naked eye even upon fragments of bone. (If he asks for it, we could offer this - basically an invisible nanite database of the life of Eadred, able to be accessed remotely by anyone with technology)
In the Mechanicum, we do not only name technologies or manufactoriums. The bones of honored saints and martyrs become their own records and testimonials, able to display the precise detail of their biography and life to those who wish to know. In such a way, is their legacy all the better preserved for all time. That is what our traditions have us do.
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>How you saw him as
>Other: Tell Rogal about our traditions of storing data in the bones of our honored dead. We now have new access to nanite technologies, and can store data in such a way that is not visible to the naked eye even upon fragments of bone. (If he asks for it, we could offer this - basically an invisible nanite database of the life of Eadred, able to be accessed remotely by anyone with technology)

It would be the best of both worlds. Sentimental and accurate.
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>>5479794
>Switch to
>>5479840
I agree
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>>5479794
Rad, I completely agree
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>>5479489
>As accurate as possible
>Knowledge is sacred, do not dilute it with lies, you do your grandfather no honour or grace with mistruths.
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I doubt T4L0S distributes the secret nanite technology on a whim, even to a brother. And it's not only to him, the way its said sounds like its already common practice

But you do you
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>>5479489
>A accurate a story as can be made.
>Other: Tell Rogal about our traditions of storing data in the bones of our honored dead. We now have new access to nanite technologies, and can store data in such a way that is not visible to the naked eye even upon fragments of bone. (If he asks for it, we could offer this - basically an invisible nanite database of the life of Eadred, able to be accessed remotely by anyone with technology)
Knowledge is sacred. Guard it well.
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>>5480039
We can trust Dorn. A reason to use small nanochip is normal servo skull tech is very visible and may not fit well with his scrimshaw.
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>>5480043
You fellows don't store data in the bones of the dead. Lucius specifically uses the bones of the dead as Corpse Starch. Though I do know bones can be used as gramophones in 40k.
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>>5480056
Lucius doesn't have servoskulls? About the other forge worlds in the federation?
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>>5480056
And that's all dead. While a place like Mars would have bones of saints Lucius before now has barely had enough food to sustain their population. Every bit counts, even those considered saints.
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>>5480039
But this anon has the right of it.
Let Dorn inscribe the bone, it's his duty and love. We are here only to give advice.
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>>5480059
Fine point, but I would not classify a Servoskull as why Nano was recommending. Servoskulls use still living brains and we have established that unless killed, Lucian Priests won't die of old age due to rejuvenation and machines.
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>>5479489
>As accurate a story as can be made
I just imagine 10k years later of some imperial fists finding scrimshaw and going on hunts for larger bones to scrimshaw
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>>5480070
>Servoskulls use still living brains
Depends on the Servo Skull. Many of them are described flat out just dead skulls from thousands of years ago used to house cogitators, not all of them are semi-living cyborgs. I'd dare to wager the majority of them are just flat out skulls housing computers and only a minority of them have brain matter. One of the BL books mentions the Mechanicum fetish for 'housing common technology in the bones of the dead' which was a complaint from a scientists from Corvus Corax previously indepedent tech world.

It's all supposed to emulate ossuary relics.

In any case, Servo-Skulls are exactly what I was referencing when I mentioned "bones of the dead".

Lucian Techpriests may not necessarily die of old age, but I'm pretty sure some of them do still die from the occasional battle. All the more reason those whose brains can't be recovered wouldn't just have their bones be ground to dust, they'd be servo-skulled no?

>>5480056
Not the bones of ALL dead, just the bones of the honored dead. Saints and martyrs, priests and such. I have a hard time seeing us using the skulls of worthy techpriests and just grinding them up to corpstarch.
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> Lucius before now has barely had enough food to sustain their population. Every bit counts, even those considered saints.
Alright, that's a fair point. Lucius was a starving planet then, so even the bones of saints and martyrs weren't spared. It's not something we did then.

Does that mean we actually use so few servo-skulls? Even skulls would make some food. I'd roll with it if that be the case, though losing out on servo-skulls is pretty sad.

Though, I think bone relics are cool. It seems likely we would at least make them of powerful nulls as an alternative to grinding them to psy-out munitions, given it would both be an absolute waste to turn them to into corpstarch.
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>>5480187
It's my excuse for not having terrible amounts of Servo Skulls at the start of the Quest.
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>>5480192
I figured there was a reason there was so few mention of them. Alright then, neat.

Perhaps it can be said that the Federation caused a shift away from using skulls and move back to the Federations use of naked drone technology. This will probably put us at odds with Martian puritans who insist that bones are necessary to maintain the holiness of the machine spirit. But we just say that a properly built and blessed machine can maintain its own holiness.

>'What the Machine God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.' ~T4L0S DAV1S
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>>5480197
*Old Federation drone tech
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>>Lucius doesn't have servo-skulls just straight up utility drones
Hans, are we the radicals?
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>>5479489
>His greatest achievements.
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>>5480168
They do Scrimshaw, they Scrimshaw Dorn's hand.
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Hej QM, not to be nitpicky or anything, but when we were on the fleet to destroy our first Xenos threat, we only survived because we called upon thousands of servo-skulls to flood and kill all the invaders on our ships. Were those servo-skulls just made before everyone had to be made into corpsestarch or were they just made out of metal to look like skulls (as in, the had a coating of enamel to make them white-ish and were formed in a skull shape.)?
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Not being limited to servoskulls benefits us. Priests are more freely able to customize the size and shape of their personal drones and would encourage priests interested in less restricted drone research to immigrate to Lucius over Mars, further giving us more drone experts.

Also as Nano mentioned some worlds we encounter could be less offput and more open to integration if our priests aren't walking about with skulls flying around them but drones instead.
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Whatever they were, it's a great precedence to ensure our Reductor priests maintain a nice fleet of Vulturax Drones to supplement our Pteraxii. Just make sure this time around we don't let the plans fall into Mortarion's hands.
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>Lucian Priests won't die of old age due to rejuvenation and machines
BTW this is an incredible profound thing. It's amazing and wonderful that we've perfected human immortality. Normal rejuvenates tend to fail after some centuries or millenia, but ours are effectively perfect!

We've basically accomplished a portion of what the Emperor wanted to do for humans, but with technology rather than making them all ageless psykers like the eldar. All it cost is the abandonment of some amount of flesh.

Theoretically it means that some powerful scientists on Terra like Ezekiel Sedayne whose using inferior Terran rejuvenates will soon come to Lucius to seek true immortal life. But that would mean he won't want to trick Cawl into becoming his surrogate body, which means Cawl doesn't gain Sedayne's knowledge, so it might butterfly effect the Cawl we knew away.
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>>5480352
What will the Emperor do if we end up achieving his goals except through non psychic means.
>Repelling of the Warp and the Chaos Gods
>Human Immortality
>Access to the Webway via Blackstone Fortress
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>>5480451
Probably be mad because it isn't the correct way and try to purge us.
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>>5479489
>His greatest achievements.
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>>5480211
At this point TalOS has such charisma and is the Mechanicum Prophet anything he says is going to be the new tradition.
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If there was a second of which TalOS used to collect his thoughts he did not show it, “I believe the work you have presented already speaks of your talents. I think it best to show people the good and bad, while letting the bards evangelize the story.”

Rogal held onto TalOS for a moment in case more words needed to be said but none did come. With that courtesy given the man simply nodded to his brother, “I thank you for those words brother, they have set my mind at ease. There will be many others I need to talk to before I attempt this art.”

“Other people who knew him in life?” TalOS put forward as he examined the limb.

“Yes.” Rogal answered simply as he encased the hand back into its container, “I only knew one of the many sides of my Grandfather. It is best that I start with the family and then move to the subjects who served under him. If something is revealed, it will be made known.”

There was a slight solemnity within the voice of Rogal Dorn as those words were said. He knew the weight of digging into someone’s past will reveal things that person most likely would hate to have revealed. As the Eulogist though TalOS’s brother cannot avoid such things, and will lose some heart because of it.

TalOS thought to himself if there was a way to recover the mood and the solution was quickly found. He reached into his gear and took out a small holovid display that was always held for situations like this one. After pressing a button the item activated to reveal a planet.

“As you have shown what you have been working on, this is mine.” TalOS said as he placed it upon the work station next to Dorn, “This is Ramistine, a planet that will soon be given to the hands of Duke Ramis for his service in the reconquista.”

The Imperial Fists eyes glanced upon the display for a long moment. TalOS watched as the movements subtly changed from a mountain range to a long river that ran into a fertile crest. They continued to look at the freshwater ocean and the vibrant forests that dotted several places of the map.

“This is interesting.” The giant said as he rubbed his hand upon his chin, “This is a reward for assistance in conquest? Is this one of the Knights who warmachines walk among my Legion’s Auxiliary?”

“Yes, I think it is a more rational reward than many others. It holds benefits for those involved.” TalOS admitted as he sprung the globe around with a wireless connection.
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“The logic behind this planet is simple. My Federation does not have enough food but we have many planets that could make it. Many of them however lack the infrastructure or are simply too desolate for colonies to grow rapidly. Thus our Council ruled that we are to build up the realm.” TalOS gave his point to stop the globe on a major plains, “This, like many of the planets, is meant for the production of foodstuff. A core to the growing Federation of Lucius.”

As TalOS said this he looked over to see his brother studying it. There have been a great many times that TalOS had shown this work to others. Each of them had taken it differently, let it be awe, dismissal, or acceptance. Looking upon Dorn the Fabricator General realized the Primarch was trying to unravel the schematics before him. An attempt to comprehend them.

“This has been the reason you stayed away from the greater Crusade. You have been building worlds where there have been none.” Rogal Dorn finally answered.

“I am making them better.” TalOS made sure to inform his brother, “Before I touched these worlds they would have been making a quarter of their output. Because I have touched them, from now for thousands of years they shall be producing at the very least four times more food. Agriculture is the bedrock of civilization, so I am making sure my foundations are sound.”

“It is still the reason you stay away despite your achievements.”

To those words TalOS could only nod, “If I leave them now they will only crumble. I cannot allow that to happen.”

Dorn held back for a moment for study. His hands moved over and found the manual controls of the device that stood before him. While TalOS was sure his brother had likely never used a device like it yet he moved the image with the ease of a practiced user.

“What protects the planet?” He finally asked.

“A mix of personal militia and a sub-branch of Knights.” TalOS answered his brother forthright, “The Knights will have only a few fortresses on the planet simply because there are not many of them. However their population is already exploding with families seeing the need for more Pilots, so by the end of this century there will be at least twenty five Knights on any given planet.”

“Large vehicles defending the world, so you have made massive barriers and open fields that are easy for them to defend. Fortresses are arranged in either killfields or nestled between mountains. What I recommend is that you make sure the ground immediately around the fortresses are made of stone. That way when the rains come, your warriors are not held static because of rain.”
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TalOS gave a laugh as he heard the suggestion, “That is a brilliant suggestion that I wish was realized sooner. Rogal, I have been working on so many different attributes and measurements that something as simple as the type of terrain did not strike me.”

“You have realized it. The land you built these fortresses on are of solid foundations making them resistant to mining attacks as well as erosion. I am asking that you take that one step further.” Rogal pointed out with simple reasons while handing back the device.

As TalOS accepted the device the Lord of the Imperial Fists continued, “When I talked to Horus he had claimed you were reclusive without reason. Fulgrim spat upon your name as well when it was referenced. They are wrong. You have a reason, but every day that reason comes closer to ending.”

“Are you suggesting that I march out into the Crusade?” TalOS put forward while making sure he held back any real annoyance.

“You will be asked to do so constantly and without error at the War Council. You are a free element of power whose hands look to be motionless. You also wield great power, mobilizing an untapped core of the Imperium that will not act upon anyone else’s wishes. Others will want that.” Dorn laid it straight out as he saw it. For someone who was still learning TalOS knew he was closing on the end of it.

“What you have shown me has made the reasons obvious. While you have conquered more than any of us, making your control fickle. Without a steady hand it will fail.” TalOS saw, just for a moment, a hint of realization bring itself to the face of his brother, “It is just like our Father who fights amongst the stars. Twenty Sons, each one an extension of himself. When we are found and order is established, you will be his inevitable fate.”

Invoking the name of the Emperor should not have had such a powerful striking of thoughts within the mind of TalOS, but here it did. Maybe it was not because it directly involved the Creator but what it meant for his brother to have said such a thing so early in the Crusade.

“You are correct.” Were the words that TalOS said as he decided this moment was one to finally retrieve the B3-3R from his storage, “Let it be in a hundred, two hundred, or a thousand years he will need to consolidate power. Just like I am, he will form a government in case the greatest of all ends are to come. Let us hope he is successful.”
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TalOS somehow felt the air of the room change, even with the blackstone that was held upon his chest to nullify it, upon saying those previous words. The source was Dorn, whose eyes looked towards the remains of his grandfather.

“You think the Emperor will die?” Dorn asked without further explanation or thoughts to muddy the waters.

“Someday we all will. We might be immortal to time but we are not immortal to blades.” the Primarch tapped on his armor, “Precautions are made and taken to avoid that fate. We cannot however make it zero because there are always larger creatures.”

TalOS felt a small shift from his brother as he spoke, “Then a foundation needs to be laid early even before our Father retires.”

“It would be for the best to build early, as you can see I have. I am sure there is a perfect balance that should be met between building worlds and conquest.” TalOS proposed as he gestured to the device, “If you conquer too fast you need to take time to consolidate and manage people. I will admit I suffer from this, but it is a joyful enjoyment if nothing else. I also make sure my assets are still operating with the Auxilia so that few items are wasted.”

“In the other you will have ruthless conquest.” Proposed Dorn who tightened his hands, “You are quick and expedient, but the moment a new enemy comes from the horizon you will lose the lands in an instant. You will be called a tyrant and warmonger, which evidence shows to be true.”

“There is a middle that needs to be had. I did not find it though.” TalOS lastly admitted, “I do not regret it though. My expansion was limited and so I filled it out just as our father did in the initial stage of the Crusade. Even as we speak my Domini are exploring the realm which is the Federation.”

Rogal gave a slow, thoughtful nod to those words, “It is only yourself who holds back to work on other projects.”

The once Emperor of Inwit took a few moments to think to himself, as if weighing the words, “What you have done for my Legion I cannot express in mere words but the same goes for yourself. What I ask of you, when a time comes, is that you join me in the Crusade for a year so that you can keep your mind wetted with combat. It is not now, but I expect it to be in a reasonable interval.”

He seemed hesitant now, knowing what he was asking was a sort of hypocrisy of what he earlier said. So he placed another thought forward, “I worry that if a dire situation were to arise, that you will be too divorced from war that an error will occur.”

>We can prepare for that, a planned expedition.
>I cannot make such an agreement, not now.

>>Pick a gift for Dorn.
>Large ass chainsword
>Vast datalog of knowledge
>Personal Transport
>A Kightly Retinue
>Other
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>>5480650

>We can prepare for that, a planned expedition.
>Vast datalog of knowledge
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>>5480647
So supply the Knight Fortresses with more rockcrete to avoid the war mechs getting bogged down in the mud of agri worlds. Good idea.

The part about counter tunneling is extremely important. We have access to termite drills and so might an enemy. Especially for the future when the really advanced agri worlds start resembling hive structures but for layers of artificial farmland instead of population centers.

>>5480648
>You are a free element of power whose hands look to be motionless. You also wield great power, mobilizing an untapped core of the Imperium
Bah. Those people fail to recognize how weve exponentially grown the Federation into the Imperiums personal factorum and supply warehouse. The food, the ammunition, the tanks, the ships and so much more we are churning out and trading to the Imperium at large. And theres still so much more we can do to improve production.

Those people really cant see by demanding one army lead by a primarch they are trading in five or more other armies he could arm and be ready to march instead. Without the production and supplies of the Tagmata, the Great Crusade would come screeching to a halt.

Cut our exports by a fraction and I bet the whole Militarum will come clamoring for us to head back to Lucius and keep the supplies and good times rolling.
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>>5480650
>We can prepare for that, a planned expedition.

Gift:
>A great Mezoa Pattern Power Fist. Name it the Imperial Fist.
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>>5480650
>We can prepare for that, a planned expedition.

>Vast datalog of knowledge
>>Focus on planet-side infrastructure, food production, industrial processes and orbital infrastructure.

If Dorn is to succeed where we failed, then he should get all the knowledge we have gathered about these fields, for they will ensure that he has a much smoother process when it comes to rebuilding his conquered planets. Any other knowledge such as weaponry and siegeworks, while useful, is unnecessary since he will be supplied by the Imperium and will gain more experience in these fields than we will have available to give him.
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>>5480686
>Bah. Those people fail to recognize how weve exponentially grown the Federation into the Imperiums personal factorum and supply warehouse. The food, the ammunition, the tanks, the ships and so much more we are churning out and trading to the Imperium at large. And theres still so much more we can do to improve production.

That is exactly the point.
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>>5480650
>We can prepare for that, a planned expedition.
>Vast datalog of knowledge
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>>5480650
>We can prepare for that, a planned expedition.
>Vast datalog of knowledge
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>>5480650
>We can prepare for that, a planned expedition
>Gift for Dorn
>Other: Awaken the Phalanx Machine Spirit - Optimize it with our mastery of tech arcana and Federation Credentials.
The Phalanx will respond to the President of the Federation, since it's a product of ancient mankind of the glory days.

In 40k the custodes did this to a smaller scale to aid the Imperial Fists at some point, using their ancient tech to awaken its functions even their order didnt know of.
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>>5480694
If this is possible, I'll support it.
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>>5480689
hey QM, can this be done? >>5480694
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>>5480697
We will leave it for when the the expedition happens. Good idea, I don't want to deal with it now.
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>>5480699
So does it count as the gift, or something extra?
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>>5480699
Cool beans QM
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>>5480700
Extra, will take several months anyways.
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>>5480650
by the way QM has the forge world of Midath been discovered yet. it's in the Calixis Sector so it's in our Segmentum.

here is a list of forge worlds from our Segmentum: 16 are from the Calixis Sector and 5 beening from the gothic sector
Agripinaa
Antioc
Belacane
Cyclopea
Cyclothrathe
Cypra Mundi
Forge Polix
Goth
Hadd
Haddrack
Hesh
Het
Hydra Cordatus
Idumea
JXM A18Z
Kai
Lucius
Mezoa
Mordax
Mpandex
Omnicron 71-DX
Opus Macharius
Perinetus
Ryboth
Skorgulian
Stryken Primus
Synford (and Synford II)
Turanshush
Vindalex
Zpandex
Zosma
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>>5480710
>Goth

We can get Goth-Girl Tech-priests!

This must be a blessing from the Machine God!
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>>5480712
>Using C++ instead of TempleOS
Heresy
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>>5480713
Well, HolyC in this case, but still.
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>>5480716
If you doubt the work of Saint Terry, I'll make sure your legs won't be ok.
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>>5480722
You can't trick me Glowie! I would never disparage the holy works of Saint Terry and only a non-believer would ever dare to use the TempleOS on anything but the most Holy of Machines!
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>>5480724
All the Secretorum machinery need to run on HolyC to protect against metastreumomic corruption, don't be foolish like the federation lapdogs!
I'm trying to find an image with the odd insults, I swear there was one where a bandit tells you that you are the emperor of rats or something like that, but I can only find the screenshots of the rude Jian.
Also we might be spamming the quest to much with the memes, so I'll stop.
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>>5480650
>>A Kightly Retinue
Yes yes more spy-agents to infiltrate our brothers yess yess!!!
And the idea of getting up the MACHINE SPIRIT of the Phalax... gorgeous. NOT AN AI BY THE WAY I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH
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>>5480717
QM my legs broke
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>>5480650
>We can prepare for that, a planned expedition.
>the Data log.
Primarch wikipedia, with dorn getting editor privileges
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>>5480761
>Presents Dorn concept of Wikipedia
>Dorn, being a literalist, writes everything he knows.
>TalOS, not wanting to be upstarted, writes as well.
>Magnus, getting pissed at the sharing, gives his own.
>Imperium Profits.
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>>5480710
We arent in the Calixis sector. Its away from us.

However I absolutely must insist if we resume crusading we push Dorn to go westward.

Why?

The Calixis Sector (other than being full of really good fantasy flight lore planets) is near the Jericho Reach Warp gate.

Know what's near the Jericho Reach?
Ultramar and Medusa. And also Nuceria I guess.

This is even more relevant given the next primarch on the list is Roboute
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>>5480778
Should clarify the Calixis Sector is west of us*
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Even if we arent aware of the Warp Gate that would cut our travel times to the eastern Galaxy in half (very useful for the Rangdan War) there are IC things there we could likely be aware of to have reasons to go there.

The famed Lathe forge worlds and the Cult of Sollex. Finest laser Smiths in the galaxy unchallenged. A tempting thing given our love of Lances both on knights and ships.

Calixis is also the home of the Cult of Myrmidon, the best combat techpriests in the galaxy who specialize in warfare and can fight in melee and wield heavy weapons to boot. These guys are comparable to space marines iirc.
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>>5480650
>We can prepare for that, a planned expedition.
Losing complete contact with the war effort would be bad enough, plus we've discovered our beloved dragon's central flaw. Greed, it's so cliché and perfect at the same time.

>Vast datalog of knowledge
>>Focus on planet-side infrastructure, food production, industrial processes and orbital infrastructure.
The machine god knows that we need to accelerate the maturing process of the federation as quickly as possible, we have to show results from our kingdom to the entire galaxy and soon or we risk less friendly interventions from our creator.
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>>5480942
Its not so much greed, as it is sitting on his treasures, the Federation in TaL0S case.
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>>5480650
>We can prepare for that
>Vast datalog of knowledge

I agree with you Rogal, we do need to keep our mind in the game. A few more expansions, perhaps.
It will also consolidate our kinship.
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>>5480963
Yeah. That's the perception as QM says.
Utterly baseless of those gainsayers because we are absolutely ploughing back our profits. Almost literally in the case of the agri worlds.

>>5480974
I think if we are going to do this soon we should press mostly for a number of military reorganizations and upgrades.

No better way to field test them than the upcoming expansionary expedition.
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Also I'm sure the Emperor and Malcador (and anyone actually in the proto administratum) do appreciate our significant contributions to the war effort.

I dare say it would be wise to check if Malcador cant make some sort of declaration or statement by the logisticians that "TalOS working hard is able to produce the results of ten armies more than if he had been leading one." That's what the Federation and the Taghmata are, an army factory, just as the Primarchs are means to an end however each goes about it differently
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>>5480650
>>We can prepare for that, a planned expedition.

>Vast datalog of knowledge
He likes to make logical decisions to make sure his foundations are secure, knowledge can only help in that to make the most optimal decision.

Speaking of which, if we do make the commitment to an expedition as it seems to be the case it might be a good chance to prepare and test a successor for the Federations leadership and i do have a candidate in mind.
Namely Arch Magos K00lt. We already have a working relationship and alliance, so she will be ammenable to our input and teachings for that situation and possible replacement later on (that is speculative at this point, its unlcear how long either is gonna live but Malcador made clear we should consider that outcome). Second, she has shown herself capable and experience in the political game, which is necessary considering the direction the Federation is taking, she is knowledgable being a long lived techpriest and she has overseen a big and complicated manufactioring process like the contruction of void ships.

If we start teaching/have her advice now we can better prepare for that down time, give the Federation redundancy and possibly even create a Leadership succession precedence, even if a more clearly defined structure would be preferable long term.

(Yes, i thought about UZ1, but first, she is to inexperienced for now, second currently with Malcador for who knows how long and third, there is no reason for her to earn that postion later on considering her raw potential. Provided she lives of course.)
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>>5481060
*'no reason she can't earn that position' i meant of course
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>>5480976
I disagree Tal0S has rejected the emperor before, not only that but he almost "stole" the entire cult for himself. If he still approved of our actions he would make it clear that Tal0S is the favorite son, I'm sure the bald man would be pissed off by this proclamation not to mention the scandal the doll would cause.

Unfortunately you can't please everyone but at least we're not pissing off the wrong people, it would be better to keep it that way.
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>>5480963
It's a good point of view, my question would be then. What did Tal0S give the empire in exchange for its treasure? Because it was made with the resources of the empire, either directly or indirectly.
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>>5481081
Nothing yet, but there will be more dragons taking flight against the emperors enemies soon!

(Steel dragon support, the metaphor got the best of me.)
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>>5480976
The biggest issue is that TalOS is currently working on a lot of shady shit for Malcador that the other Primarchs aren't supposed to know about. On top of keeping an eye on the Admech which the Big E himself personally decided was actually a great idea to have one of his own Primarchs to do so especially given the Admech power and reach. That isn't even getting into Tal0S investing in auxillary military forces that his own brothers shy away from(TalOS is the only one who isn't obsessed with Astartes) and needing to build up infrastructure for new Imperial worlds. On top of his own research projects that are either top secret(Nulls to hunt Daemons for instance) or otherwise immensely valuable like trying to fix flawed Astartes Geneseed which is plaguing a number of Legions.
Basically Tal0S is stuck being the underappreciated handyman and quick hot fixer of all the Primarchs who works like crazy in the background. To such an extent that only our shady and secretive Primarch appreciates why. There is a reason those two reached an unusual mutual understanding. Since most of them are too obsessed with just fighting and so on. TalOS is just insanely busy and it doesn't help he cannot disclose the full reasons of just why to the rest of his Brothers. This is despite TalOS allowing his Sons to keep their old life attachments and use them outside the fields of just warfare. Not to mention his Federation and admech resources.
Basically TalOS is just stupidly overextended and his greed to fulfill as much as possible in the shortest time possible has actively backfired on him. The problem is TalOS knows there is nobody else who can do so in his place since even his brothers who DO have that ability either prefer fighting or haven't been discovered yet. That is why to his Brothers TalOS is underappreciated since as far as they know he shouldn't be as busy as he appears to be but cannot disclose the truth to them as for why.
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Do you guys think we should build this and give it as a gift Pertyboy?
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>>5480688
>Support
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>>5481081
Eh, fair point especially on the religion. But we are at least fulfilling his demand for more planets and a greater war effort. Honestly, I'm not too worried about the naysayers as long as the important people are okay with our works.

The Emperor wants progress in the great Crusade. We are progressing the Great Crusade, even if it is behind the front lines. We churn out armies that push the front lines, and send our Knights to conquer in our name. We most certainly are not doing a Lorgar right now because the shit we build legitimately advances and expands the war effort.

>>5481226
Yeah. It is true. That is also why we empathize with Alpharius a lot, because he knows the plight of working with secret projects. He's fighting battles that no one can record and when he brings up the conversation of tactics, Roboute pulls the 'well I've won hundreds of battles how many have you'.

Side note but Alpharius also is a strong believer that the Imperium needs to start actually holding and securing the shit they conquer, so he'd also support our efforts to bolster the Federation.

>Basically TalOS is just stupidly overextended and his greed to fulfill as much as possible in the shortest time possible has actively backfired on him.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that. If anything we are the least overextended primarch technically speaking, our territories more consolidated and productive than anyone else. Not any different than Roboute Guilliman and the realm of Ultramar, or even perhaps Dorn and his fledgling space empire.

Overextension is what happened to Perturabo but that's because he accepts stupid orders and doesn't care to complain.

Anyway, like I said, we don't have to worry too much about the opinions of some of our Brothers while we can flaunt that we have more planets and more armies than each of them individually ever could. Even Roboute. The Emperor wants planets, we are conquering planets. Just in our way. And that way is building armies that go forth and take planets, rather than doing it one at a time ourselves.

>>5481259
I am of the belief that TalOS could as well design the actual Repulsor Tank whenever we land our hands on the Predator. Might need to take a trip to Columnus to go play around with their anti-grav tech (or go to Deliverance to play with theirs but i don't think the Lion would be fond of that).

However, the more immediate goals I think we can pursue is working with what we have now, that being, since we prefer Volkites over Bolters make it so the Leman Russ Incinerator is our standard tank armament over the basic Baneblade. Tbh I'd more wish we could invent Beamer Melta tech and apply it to the Deimos Predator's Magna-Melta cause I think it would have a bigger punch. But whatever can separate our Russ from the basic design we'll be giving to the rest of the Imperium.

We keep the good stuff for ourselves if they are rarer to produce.
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>>5481326
i don't think you looked very closely on the picture, for it is less a tank and more a mobile gun emplacement, aka. it is a meme tank that Pertu-"Fuck your Walls!"-rabo would love
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Quick check to see if anyone is having any device issues at the moment. Due to the amount of new quests being made we are on page 6 instead of 10 at this point, hitting 1.5k posts by weekend. Is anyone's device having an issue loading the quest or do we continue on this thread?
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>>5481342
If I went with the way I want things to go, I plan to have Guilliman's introduction as the start of the next thread. Likely with him walking into TalOS so we can get some fun 'First Impressions' of TalOS.
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>>5481342
i can still load no problem, although it does take 10-15 seconds for me to see any new posts
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>>5481340
Lol I saw it. I'd love for us to make more wild inventions, but a very powerful siege tank is indeed something Pert would like. Perhaps almost as much as actual supplies.
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>>5481343
Also, can we have this canonically happen please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWNlzvZ4Lz8
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>>5481342
>pages
There are people who don't just use the catalog? I've never trawled 4chan thread pages in years.

It works fine for me. Let's squeeze out the thread to the last.
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>>5481359
Catalog and sorting by newest post is the best way to quest.
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>>5481360
It is, which is why I am annoyed 'Sort by Bump' is default.
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TalOS took a moment to think about what was being proposed. Indeed Rogal Dorn had good reason to suggest this, and unlike the many calls that will happen before and after this potential expedition he is being given leeway as well as allowances. He does not need to do it if he is not able, and he can pick when to start.

So with those thoughts TalOS answered, “I believe that is a sound argument Brother. I look forward to working with you when that time comes.”

“Good.” He answered simply with the same static features upon his face, “And when should we schedule it?”

“It will be several more years, fifteen to twenty at the very least.” TalOS gestured his hand to the device that held the display of a world, “By then my priorities will change from the transformation of worlds to the building of Forges. Those Forges, unlike these worlds, will mainly be administered by the people who know exactly what they need and want.”

“Then I will call upon you during that time.” The certainty of Dorn’s voice crawled through the air as he spoke those words.

A good conversation was had, TalOS felt, for the two of them were able to talk about things both people are handling. For TalOS and his worlds while Rogal has his personal works of art. The Primarch belonging to the Mechanicum thought to himself for another moment and decided something.

“My brother, it has been a great time being with you.” TalOS declared as he reached in and took out a dataslate whose size was perfectly match for a Primarch, “I have talked with your sons before leaving and learned of the knowledge that you are trying to gain. I wish to help in that righteous quest.”

Rogal reached over and accepted the dataslate that was presented to him. He clicked a few buttons and activated it to see the data which was stored within.

“As we both seek knowledge, this is how we can share it. Within that tablet is a majority of my knowledge in relation to the galaxy and its workings. I will admit that items I have yet to understand and heresies to the Cult Mechanicum are omitted, but I hope this is a great primer for your journey into the stars.” TalOS said as Dorn slowly began glazing through the numerous profiles and pages of information.
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Two minutes they were silent as the Primarch’s eyes glanced at each of the pages. TalOS could see in the eyes of Dorn a stern focus on each of the words which TalOS had written up or translated on his journey to Terra.

The Tablet itself was nothing special, but TalOS had stored upon his Storm Bird a Data-Vault which transmitted the information through the Noosphere to the slate. Because of this connection it will be hard to hack by the current generation of Priests. In time that will change, but TalOS knew it was efficient.

As for the information that was stored upon it TalOS did not lie. Upon hearing that his brother was seeking out knowledge of the universe it was hard to not get excited about this option. There were plenty of items within it that even an insider to the Cult Mechanicus would find hard to discover, but TalOS had presented it to his brother because they were truths of the world.

If he ever wanted to learn of the numerous Heresies and such of the Mechanicum, he could. If he did not there was a plethora of collections that contained the history of mankind to the knowledge of the Mechanicum as well as the current makeup of the universe. Even details of the Rift which formed in the north eastern corner of the Galaxy was mentioned.

The things that were not mentioned were things that TalOS agreed to keep a secret. The beings which lived in the realm beyond and the true heresy that became a bedrock of the Mechanicum. If Dorn would say anything about either TalOS did not know, but Malcador made it clear that none of his brothers were to know the truth of the Warp and its denizens.

As TalOS’s thoughts finished Dorn asked a question, “I see you have an edit feature upon this. Have you prepared that for me?”

The Tech Priest nodded to those words, “Unlike myself you will be reaching out into the galaxy to find new truths of how this galaxy functions. I do not demand it, but if you were to fill out your accounts in those data-stacks then I will be infinitely grateful.”

Dorn thought to himself as he studied the slate, his grip changing as he came to a conclusion, “Our Father said that our goal in the Universe is to bring Illumination to those who live in darkness. As this is a chance to move towards that, I will employ it.”

“Thank you Rogal. For that alone I look forward to our next meeting.” TalOS answered with a sense of generosity creeping through his chest.

They talked a little more, but TalOS’s visit was over. He felt though that it will not be the last, especially that TalOS was now a member of the War Council.
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The next few days were filled with several conversations with all manners of people of the Mechanicum. With TalOS being the representative of the Mechanicum at council he needed to know the framework they it was built from.

TalOS learned of the massive strain that was being placed upon Mars. That with the exception of Lucius, only Forge Worlds that have a Crusade Force local to them are making true amounts of output towards the war effort. Kelbor was working hard to get these desperate elements back in line and operating under him but that was taking time.

What was not helping was that the Imperium’s new worlds were not paying anything remotely called a Tax. Conquest was not in the name of economic gain but the domination of human culture across the galaxy. It was an annoyance to the Mechanicum, mainly Kelbor, that they could not pull resources from these planets with any degree of success. They all recognized though that by demanding Taxes it would slow the Imperium down as worlds started resisting their tithes.

Right now they can only complain about the Imperium Truth and the intimacy of it. When you start forcing people to pay new taxes is when issues begin to fester.

In the end the Imperial War’s economy was only being committed by Mars, Lucius, and Terra. The discovery of the Leman Russ being which placed TalOS’s homeworld into the greatest league of donors to the Imperial Cause. He would hate to have seen the finances of the Crusade before then.

It was to this point that several things made themselves evident to TalOS. The only reason that Mars and Terra were not bankrupt was because the Astartes were doing most of the fighting. An Astartes was worth thousands of men on the battlefield, but only required the amount of resources to construct and less to transport a Leman Russ. This was a reason the war footing had yet to be broken by its own sheer size.

Things were stark still and will likely continue to be unless more organizations like the Federation were formed. Resources from Inwit have actually laxed many of the greater issues, and if TalOS was hopeful enough more Kingdoms belonging to his brothers will be found.

That, or other Forge Worlds that have fared as well as Lucius need to be found fast. A boon like that would equal one of his own Brothers. Both, well, that would make this Crusade fiscally sound.
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With his time on Mars finished TalOS made his way to Terra. Of all the places to go, the Imperial Palace was where he first touched down. Such a thing was expected in both a praticle and ceremonial way, as he needed to see Malcador to both talk to him and have permission to travel the planet.

When he approached the planet TalOS sent a message through the Noosphere to UZ1. As expected, she was currently on an exhibition deep within the planet of Terra and her expertise was needed to fight off the numerous mutants that still prowled the surface of Terra. The two made plans to meet up, but that required TalOS’s permission to walk the planet from a Sigillite Representative.

In this case TalOS was not to approach a representative, but the man himself.

“Hello there, Uncle.” TalOS called out to Malcador who was attended by a group of custodian guardians.

“TalOS, it has not been too long.” Announced Malcador as he waved the Primarch over, “Come, we have much to talk about now that you are part of the War Council.”

Traveling through the Imperial Palace always did bring a moment of awe to TalOS. It was not a supernatural awe like he would expect from the Emperor, but an awe at what mankind could do.

The Ceiling was as tall as the skies and was made out of the oldest granite one could get from the quarries of Terra. It was thanks to this and oxidation that the Imperial Palace always appeared to be gold when one looked at it from above. Then there were all the Marble and Gold adornments that carried that same elegance across the citadel for all to see the fabulous wealth of the Imperial Seat of Power. Yet it was still human, signs that it was not a god but man who grafted these works and gave them meaning.

“How did your conversation go with your brother?” Asked the Sigillite with a devlish grin upon his face.

“He is what he is, which is an admirable trait.” TalOS declared as they continued their way down the halls.

>The happenings on Xana
>Lanterns of Charon
>State of the Crusade
>Governmental issues.
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>>5481398
>Lanterns of Charon
Seems Bob and Ultramar will really help the Imperium from collapsing
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>>5481398
>Lanterns of Charon
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>>5481398
>Lanterns of Charon
We haven't heard of them in forever.
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>>5481398
>Governmental issues.

I would love to talk about our boys, but the imperial economy is in the shitter and we need to fix it immediately.
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>>5481398
>Governmental issues.

Designing tax codes gets me so hard. Please tell me we get to decided what typeface to use in official documents
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>>5481226
PARAGRAPHS NIGGER USE THEM. Press enter, fuck
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>>5481359
I dunno man, us better anons use 4chanx + oneechan
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>>5481398
>>Lanterns of Charon
Our boooooys how are they????? Do they even remember who their genefather is by this point?
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>>5481398
What news of the lads?
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>>5481398
>Lanterns of Charon.
It would be really nice to be able to counter with some of them back in the legion now that their training is over.
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>>5481550
I am not sure what you mean but T4L0S surrendered his psyk sons to Malcador for life
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>Governmental issues.
>Other: Convene with Kelbor Hal to help organize Taghmata Omnissiah, based on our administration of the Federation. This will mean a more organized Mechanicum territory with taxes.
>This will in the long run ensure that tithes for Mechanicum territory are handled for and by the Mechanicum, not the Imperial Government, and could be a positive incentive for Hal as well as fulfill our promise to help him maintain Martian prominence
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Taghmata_Omnissiah
The "Taghmata" means "That which is divinely ordained for war". That is what Forge Worlds are and should always be at the end of the day, war producers. It's shameful so many forge worlds do not comprehend that they were built as factories to make products, not to self aggrandize their masters.

If there must be taxes, let's crack at it now. Eventually the Imperium will also get around to making their own Adminstratum to demand taxes of their worlds. Sure there will be a rise in resistance and non-compliant worlds, but that's part and parcel of the Great Crusade. There will eventually be so many non-compliant worlds that penal regiments will form and even Russ will comment on them.

"There are those who undervalue the Penal Legions. But they should consider this: should a man who has wronged the Emperor be allowed to wrong him further? For each man executed is a man who can no longer serve, and to fail in service to the Emperor is the greatest of sins."
—Leman Russ, Primarch of the Space Wolves Legion, Meditations on Imperial Command, Book XXI

Let's get a head start. If we organize our own taxes ourselves, then like Roboute's Ultramar, we can ensure that the taxes from non-forge worlds in the influence of Mechanicum realms go towards the Mechanicum first.
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>>5481620
Wrong time to bring that up I think.
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>>5481677
Fair. My logic was while we were here helping Kelbor Hal towards an effort of the Great Crusade, strike two birds with one stone as it were since it had been brought up this post.
But it is something that did exist in the Great Crusade and the Cult Mechanicum should get around to eventually. Maybe when the Imperium/Mechanicum has expanded yet further.

I think we're something like a 1/4 into the Great Crusade timeline or such. Maybe by the 1/2 mark.
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Oh I realize now you mean for a conversation directly with Malcador, not per say TalOS in the council at large. In that case.

>>5481620
>Switch to
>The happenings on Xana
I'm always in favor of advancing the blank research. The Crusade and the Government of the Imperium can be the Imperiums problems.
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>>5481560
I'm pretty sure we reserved the right to call them back when ever we require them. here is the quote.

“I only wish, that if the time comes, that I can recall them. In doing so I hope the Ordo Psykana would assist me in such dire circumstances.”

“I shall grant you that boon for you have given me a great one yourself.” The Sigillite declared
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>>5481794
Yeah but if we invest heavily enough into the Null Nobilite, I doubt we'll have any particular need for them.
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>>5481398
>The happenings on Xana
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>>5481398
>Lanterns of Charon

Lets keep an update.
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>>5481560
I'm not talking about taking over the entire institution, I mean we're going to have access to some of them like a demo of the full project. About ten just for Tal0S to see how they work.
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>>5481398
>The happenings on Xana
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>>5481398
>Governmental issues.
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>>5481398
>Governmental issues.
Tax time
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I'll tell you fellows I counted 6 votes for Charon and 3 for Government. Sorry to cut voting short but I already wrote half my update before my break just now and I got a stuff tonight.
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>>5482190
it's fine, i don't think any of us will complain about you having a life outside of /qst/
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They crossed through the rooms and halls of the palace. The art of the work each becoming more and more exquisite as they approached one of the central points of the palace. TalOS recognized this as the way towards the Astronomicon and knew this was without error. Though geo-positioning he could see they were crossing a series of tunnels that few ever knew existed.

As they did so not only did the art change but so did the Custodians who guarded them. The ones who stood next to Malcador were colored in the bright gold armor that TalOS recognized before as standard among their kin. Records on Mars did not disprove this assumption and the few times TalOS had seen them they had always been that.

The change occurred when TalOS passed through a series of arcane wards that were placed into the walls of the hall. Malcador did not make mention of them, but TalOS knew that they were the innate concept of Wards. Weapons to keep out the baneful denizens of the Warp from whatever domain lied beyond them.

When they passed them TalOS realized the Custodians were now armored in black armor with a series of gold highlights. Such armor screamed to TalOS the concepts of secrecy and subterfuge. In the Warp concepts were employed to gain power, in a place that actively used Wards it was obvious that any advantage against the warp was to be attained.

They came across a large ebony door that was sealed with a flimsy cloth. This cloth could easily be shattered by the knife of a layman but it was meant for Daemons. As if completing a ritual Malcador reached forward and untied the knot with the dexterity of seasoned hands. With a pull he opened the doors to show TalOS a massive hall.

About the place was adornments of gold and obsidian with a thin lantern light crawling into the darkness. Scattered across the floors were a series of cloths with transhumans sitting upon them kneeling in the same direction. Their direction was towards the Astronomicon.

Without needing to be asked TalOS reached over and grabbed a lantern for both himself and Malcador. The Sigillite taking the thin piece of metal with a weakened grip. As they did this none of the Astartes moved as they kept their meditation upon the source of the Emperor’s divine power. TalOS reached into his memories, realizing that his ritual was one shared between Navigators and Astropaths who had their souls bound to the Emperor’s own.

“How many of them were bound?” TalOS asked as he looked upon them.

“Five of them have been bound.” Answered Malcador as he called out, “Luther, come to us.”
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Upon the calling of the name a single Astartes rose from the ranks and made his way towards them. He had features of TalOS’s geneseed, sunbaked skin and a longer than standard face. Blond hair demonstrated the man’s original laneige towards the Jermans. As he came he bowed to Malcador, and then to TalOS. Though he noticed it was not to TalOS but the lanturn that he held within his hands.

“Is there something that you need from me Lord Malcador?” Asked the Astartes before his eyes flickered towards TalOS again. This time they were sharp as TalOS noticed that he had no iris or pupils, “Father?”

“It is indeed me Luther. I came to see what Malcador had achieved with my sons.” TalOS told his son with a small hint of sadness, “I see that the Ritual of Binding blinded you.”

“It has. I serve Malcador as a head of this Temple thanks to my state.” Admitted the Astartes as he focused upon TalOS, “I cannot fight for I have no sight, so this is my fate.”

TalOS wondered if he should be annoyed or have expected Malcador to do this. To answer it he asked, “Were you bound willingly?”

“I was Father. I wished to do what our Masters did and attain the same fate that they had.” TalOS could see there was pride in that declaration but also shame. Shame in his likely thinking that his fate was not what TalOS wished.

“I simply wanted to know. You are fine.” TalOS told his son while grabbing his shoulder in a show of affection, “What are the chances?”

“Two in five experienced Blindness. Two others died outright and the final one has gained immense power as well as control.” Malcador supplemented the explanation for TalOS.

“And where is this son of mine?” TalOS asked Malcador.

“Damasus serves the Emperor directly.” The Sigillite said with a creeping smile of success.

TalOS’s attention felt like it was snared when he heard that. He knew the chances of his sons serving the Emperor directly existed, but that they were able to be modified to such an extent was enlightening.
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“I take it that it was an experiment of sorts, to see the results of binding an Astartes to theEmperor?” TalOS asked Malcador to get a little more information about the process, “Do we think it can be perfected?”

“It can be, if a bit difficult due to their proximity to the Emperor.” Malcador said as he gave a small nod, “The issue becomes that they are not like other humans. They are much closer to their gene-grandfather than normal humans, meaning in a sense they are already bound to him. It is because of this that soul-binding is dangerous thanks to their connections to him.”

“Then the rituals are too extreme.” TalOS pointed out as he looked at Luther, “They go too far in one direction and send my sons into the maul that is the Emperor’s soul.”

“In that you are correct. Unlike others it is far easier for them to fly too close to the sun.” Malcador answered with a small nod, “There are benefits though. Their resistance to our enemies grow tenfold and have a chance of even being immune to them.”

That was enough to get TalOS to raise his brow, “Do they know?”

“We do as much as Lord Malcador has informed us.” Luther admitted as he placed a hand on his chest to indicate his own presence, “I hear them Father, even behind all of these wards. Only when I look upon you and the Astronomicon do they cease. Father, I have fought many wars upon Terra and under your banner during the Reconquista, but I felt horror for the first time when my eye was opened.”

“What has the binding given you?” TalOS placed forward next.

“Peace. The Emperor is their anathema in all manners. No matter what those foul powers do they cannot touch me now. I have also gained wisdom in what might be done next to help my brothers succeed if we attempt it again.”

“Thoughts?” Malcador put forward to TalOS with a small smirk.

>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made.
>Shove as many of them through so that they can all be cleansed. Forcibly evolve the geneseed.
>Cease this insanity.
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>>5482443
>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made.
Grimdark time
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>>5482443
>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made.
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>>5482443
The first option is obvious, we will lose our legion's magic ability permanently. I hope the Emperor recognizes our sacrifice for him.
The second would be a solution, obviously the second legion would be decimated but our surviving children would be immune to the seduction of the parasites, I'd say it's fair pay. Furthermore, OUR legion has the resources to recover our numbers in time.
The latter is out of the question, we owe it to everyone who died in the process to make their sacrifice worthwhile.
>Shove as many of them through so that they can all be cleansed. Forcibly evolve the geneseed.
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>>5482443
>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made.
>>Before this, silently cry and give a hug to our sons, all of them; for they deserve to know that we have not abandoned them and wish them well.
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>>5482454
>Support
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>>5482443
>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made
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>>5482451
Would this affect our entire Legion or only those we send as Charons Lanterns?
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Trying to parse exactly what the ramifications of these options and the goal of this experiment is. Is this akin to trying to make the Lanterns bound to the Emperor like the Grey Knights? Who is being affected, just the Lanterns or would option#2 push for the entire legion.

If proto-grey knights are the goal, QM, is there a chance we can still achieve Null-Grey Knights (the Ferrymen) like in canon? I want to make sure we aren't locking anything out and that I understand the options correctly.

>>5482454
I think rather than weep, we should praise our sons and see them off with pride. They shouldn't see a father crying for them, but proud of them and their sacrifice, for that is what all space marines desire. We also should offer those who wish a prayer, a small sermon or a tech-confession in our capacity as their spiritual father as well, so they know not only we and the Emperor but the Machine God watches over their souls.

We should still hug them though.
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just asking, can't our blind psykers get new eyes? mechanicum and all that. If cyber eyes don't cut it then screw it; graft them a new pair
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>>5482443
>Cease this insanity.
We sent them to malcador for training not to be lab rats
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>>5482516
They're psykers. They don't need eyes to see.
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>>5482552
They do if they ever fight neuron or nids (and maybe demons of tzeentch)
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>>5482595
Necrons fucking auto correct
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>>5482516
Its more the soul was directly attacked as well as the eyes. If they get new eyes, they won't be able to see out of them. Otherwise it would be common practice for Astropaths to get new eyes.
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>Shove as many of them through so that they can all be cleansed. Forcibly evolve the geneseed.

Combine this with Blackstone tech and soon we'll be fit to fight in the war in heaven.
The Xenocides will have an answer to their horrors and this will be it.
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>>5482621
Shoving "as many through" only affects the Lanterns right? What would the difference be between a 'new breed' and going all out?
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>>5482632
It will only affect the Lanterns. There is no reason for non-psykers to be bound to the Emperor via psychic connection.
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>>5482443
>>Shove as many of them through so that they can all be cleansed. Forcibly evolve the geneseed.
Full steam ahead on Malcador's project.
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>>5482443
>Shove as many of them through so that they can all be cleansed. Forcibly evolve the geneseed.
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>>5482549
since no one else is voting to stop I'll change to
>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made.
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>>5482443
>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made.
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>>5482443
>Shove as many of them through so that they can all be cleansed. Forcibly evolve the geneseed.
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>>5482454
>support
We love our sons so let them know that their sacrifices are valued
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>>5482443
>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made.
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>>5482443
>Shove as many of them through so that they can all be cleansed. Forcibly evolve the geneseed.
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>>5482443
>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made.

I wonder if they have started to work on the Psyker legion which are overrun with mutations that catastrophically nuked their numbers. I doubt TalOS legion is rich in psykers especially given their connection to him and freezing psykers found in the pop before Acillian conversion.

>>5482516
Nids hivemind actively suppresses the warp. While necrons literally invented pariahs and blank technology. TalOS himself knowingly uses Necron tech to safeguard himself against warp exposure. At the cost of suppressing his Primarch characteristics in exchange. Both shouldn't be a problem until we start poking around Necron ruins and potentially encounter Nid scouts.

>>5482663
So no other psykers from the other Legions will be affected? Not even the psyker legion whose warp connections are backfiring on them in mass?
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T4L0S better gets into the realm of artificial soul research then!! And then makes soul eyes so blind psykers can get back into battle... oh but artificial soul is an abomination, similar to the abominable intelligence.
Err, either way, Malcador the research ¡¡hand it over!!
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>>5482443
>Support >>5482454

Talos is a family man, even if Psyker's disgust him. Maybe hold back on the hug, what with the black stone.
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>>5482904
Let's just say the death rate of soulbinding is 110%.
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>>5483059
Specifically for TS.
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>>5482454
Ditto, maybe shed a single tear for the sons we can't be near
What about something symbolic we can do to signify that even though we can't be near to them we're still proud of them, we've made anti Psyker stuff, what about making or grabbing something for psykers like a weapon or something
I also vote we call them our Filis Transperverso, our Sons across the Warp, that or our Cog Transmarinus (Cog across the Sea, which is a reference to Crusaders being called the Cross across the Sea)
>>5483059
Hmm, that's rather...high...I wonder if it's because of our connection to Semper that our boys even have a shot unless that Stat refers to us too in which case I wonder if it's because they're essentially becoming Imperial Daemons (which I call dibs on calling the Aengelus Imperialis)
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>>5482443
>>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made.

Give the blind ones a new purpose as Secret Keepers, kinda like the blind Monks from Elder Scrolls crossed with confessors of the catholic faith.
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>>5482443
>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made.
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>>5483065
Cog Transwarpinus
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>>5482443
Something feels wrong doing this but there is probably some benefit and it's not likely for that option to win.
So I vote
>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made.
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>>5482443#
>Shove as many of them through so that they can all be cleansed. Forcibly evolve the geneseed.
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>>5482443
>Continue the experiments with Soul-Binding. If this succeeds, a new breed of Astartes shall be made.
>Hug our son's and tell them how proud we are
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>>5483342
Ops didn't remember I already voted, sorry.
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>>5482443
>Shove as many of them through so that they can all be cleansed. Forcibly evolve the geneseed.
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Continued Experiments
>>5482444
>>5482447
>>5482454
>>5482460
>>5482874
>>5482969
>>5482768 - Sad
>>5482838
>>5482898
>>5483098
>>5483099
>>5483257
>>5482904

New breed of Astartes
>>5482451
>>5482667
>>5482756
>>5482845
>>5482901
>>5483338
>>5483363
>>5482631

That, that is a lot of votes. Also I only just now saw the request for hugs so sadly they will not be in the update as again, I wrote this at lunch today and I got stuff tonight. Think that it happened within your hearts though.
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>>5483488
Also LOTS OF VOTES.
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Hmph, the half measure option won. And you call yourselves techpriests!
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>>5483505
Considering it takes often hundreds of years of experimentation for new tech to be widely used or accepted. Not immediately going balls to the walls is very on brand for tech priest.
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>>5483488
>hugs
>sadly they will not be in the update

NOOOOOOOOOOO
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“Soul-Binding is an experiment that I see value in.” TalOS admitted as he looked closely upon his blind son, “We should take the holy methods of comprehension to it though. One at a time, steady and sure, to learn what went wrong and how.”

“I can only agree with that.” Malcador answered with a small satisfaction within his voice, “With every soul that is properly bound to your Father is a Marine who shall surpass others. Complete control and comprehension. The ability to tap into Astropathic communications. We will get these and many more.”

“But what are we to do with those who survived but are forever scarred.” TalOS said as he noticed Luther shift in place, “Luther, do you feel any stronger or firmer since you have become one with my Creator?”

Whatever shook the Astarte’s body shifted as he firmed himself for the telling, “No longer do they bother me, the voices. Constantly they asked if I wanted more power, but now that I understand the Emperor’s might their words always fall upon deaf ears.”

“What has been your role ever since your becoming?” TalOS placed next with a sureness of authority and might.

“I am a guide and teacher. Wisdom gleaned from the binding was given unto me. The Emperor knows of us and supports us, thus some of his knowledge is now mine.”

TalOS nodded as he heard those words as he turned towards Malcador. For a moment he noticed the ancient leaned upon his staff just that little bit more than he once did. A soft smile formed upon his lips as he got the satisfaction of continuing his project.

TalOS knew out of all his brothers that he would be the only one to agree to this. Would Horus let his sons be test subjects or Leman Russ leave them in the hands of a witch? Rogal might, but only if he was ever ordered to do so by the Emperor himself. Malcador knew all this and his bets were coming to forwishen.

“I believe that we need someone to watch over the flock. My Sons have the ire of Astropaths, Navigators, and yourself but that is not going to be forever.” TalOS told Malcador simply, “Those who are blinded are still spiritually resistant and faultless. They shall be the secret keepers entombed upon Terra to watch over the acolytes and listen to their pleas and worries. I know I would wish for that.”
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Malcador’s manner changed from the winner of a competition to a concerned thinker, “So you really do think that. That we are not here in this world forever.”

“Those who think otherwise are fools.” TalOS told Malcador without mercy.

“You know that even your brothers such as Horus do not see that future.” Malcador seemed to want confirmation of those words.

So TalOS gave it to him, “Then Horus is a fool.”

Malcador gave a small chuckle while shaking his head, “Luther, you have already been comforting your brothers since the Binding, or am I misremembering?”

“Your memory is as sound as your ability my Lord.” The Blind Astartes answered as he gave a steady nod, “If that is my duty then it shall be.”

“There will be no secret to you.” TalOS declared as he looked upon Luther, “For you are the Watchman of Souls. Guide your brothers through their journey to ultimate enlightenment and take on their demons. If they hide anything from you, then they will die.”

TalOS could feel Malcador nodding his head as the face upon Luther morphed that smallest bit, “I am to carry out the greatest of punishments?”

“And the authority to investigate them. You have reached the end of your journey that your brothers must also take. Make sure your brothers know the path and make sure they do not fail their own souls.” TalOS took a second to think to himself before declaring, “If a poison is among their ranks, then this entire project will shatter. We cannot let the enemy creep in at a time like this or in the future.”

There was a long moment as TalOS stared in the blank eyes of his son. And then, for a single moment, he felt his son stare into his very soul as a flare of psychic energy pierced the Blackstone’s Aura.

“I understand Father. I shall do as you ask of me.” He gave a small bow before returning to his brothers.

“Their foundation will be sound, TalOS.” Malcador told him as he stepped forward to be close to TalOS, “I will make sure these… Keepers are held in close regard.”

“Thank you.” Was what TalOS said as he made his way to leave.
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Knowing that his sons were not simply being kept in the dark, but being employed by his Creator TalOS left the Imperial Palace in good spirits. There was surely a melancholy about the situation considering that several of his own sons died. But they lost their lives knowing that could happen, which was all TalOS could ask for when experiments like these go wrong.

The lands of Terra were a barren gold filled with numerous sand dunes and pale gold structures. These structures looked from afar to be made of sandstone but in truth they were turned a pale yellow by the constant radiation of the sun which blasted into them. Though it was known for only so long this was what gave Terra the name of the Golden Planet. For it was golden seat of humanity and the Emperor.

Thus did TalOS wonder if this planet was terriformed to look like this through the actions of the Emperor. What perfect analogs of power would flow through the warp if humanity came from the golden planet instead of the blue planet which old federation poetry always referred to Terra as. It was because of these stark differences that it lost its old name of Earth, for Earth was a planet of blue instead of gold which the Mechanicum always saw it as.

Traveling across the planet was not much of an issue as TalOS commandeered a Stormbird for his travels. A Custodian operated as the pilot as the Steel Wardens kept their guard around their gene-father.

The fighter, which was so high in the air that it brushed near the clouds, slowly came down as the Custodian realized their geomantic position. TalOS waited at the tailgate as he felt the numerous forces of the universe played out to complete the stop.

The Tailgate was lowered, which at the moment it finished TalOS walked forward with purpose in his step. Only a few seconds later he kneeled as he embraced a hug from an oncoming UZ1 who was dirty from the work she had been doing.

+Its great to see you TalOS!+ She said as pistons disengaged to release the two of them, “I got so much to show you. Magos Land has made a discovery!+

>Focus on the new discovery
>Talk about her time on terra
>Simply enjoy each other’s company.
>Other
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>>5483521
>Talk about her time on terra
>Simply enjoy each other’s company.

Family time is the best of time!
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>>5483521
>>Talk about her time on terra
So we got proto grey knights and inquisitors, nice.
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>>5483521
>Simply enjoy each other’s company.
>Make a note to visit Land later
As much as I'm eager to hear more about the fantastic discoveries of Arkhan Land, I think we owe the man a visit in person. He's one of this era's geniuses, instrumental for both many Custodes vehicles (like their grav tank), Mechanicum and Astartes technologies.

But right now, I think we are best to spend time with our dear UZI. It's not often these days we get to anymore.
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>>5483521
>Talk about her time on terra
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>>5483521
>>Simply enjoy each other’s company
>>Ask her to show you her room
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>>5483521
>Simply enjoy each other’s company.
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>>5483521
>Simply enjoy each other’s company.
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>>5483521
>Simply enjoy each other’s company.
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>>5483521
>Simply enjoy each other’s company.
We finally get to see her again after so long, a simple kiss is warranted.
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>>5483894
but we have no lips
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>>5484121
For now, yes. But that could be solved in the future via synth flesh perhaps. Or, even better, Hard-Light holograms capable of registering sensation based on observed interaction with physical objects.
This will become more relevant when we are Dreadnought sized, and can't fit in rooms normally. We just send our Hologram in while our body awaits outside.

Exactly like Magnus does when he wants to be somewhere quick, he sends out a psychic projection of himself half way across the galaxy that his brothers can physically interact with. Only with technology instead of sorcery.
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>>5484191
T4L0S, the first primarch to discover sex. Virtual, but sex nonetheless.

There are few secrets that escape the Emperor's sight, but the clitoris has remained one of the greatest incognitos in the empire
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>>5484255
One of the reasons why Astartes must be male

>>5483521
>>Focus on the new discovery
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>>5484255
I am not writing this you horny idiots.
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>>5484272
Hey don't lop me with the horny.

I'm simply talking about being able to enter buildings and rooms that don't necessarily have a tank sized door or taking up a Telemon's worth of space at the War Council Table.

Admittedly, it is on the course for the Mechanicum to always place vehicle or even building sized doors for when the Fabricator Generals start wanting to get huge and make appearances like Dune Navigators, but still.

There is utility in us maintaining Primarch sized version of us able to interact with the world even if we do have Mechadendrites for fine motor skills, particularly when it comes to interacting with humans on new worlds without frightening them. Same reason Magnus doesn't stay in giant mode all the time even if he can.
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>>5484296
I see, no on being able to send that across the universe. I will admit it is reasonable, and maybe you don't even use a hologram but a slaved servitor to act as a mouthpiece.

I also want to point out that depending on where Nanites go, you guys could just make your body modular like every other Tech Priest. One day you are using the Mini Model the next is the Dreadnaught model, ultimately landing in the Imperator Titan.
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>>5484311
Would it be close to trazyn just bodysnatching and morphing them to his liking to operate?
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>>5484311
>I see, no on being able to send that across the universe
Mhm, that's not something I see immediately in the vein of reach. Such a thing, without Psykerism like Magnus, is only achievable via Necron Quantum Technology ala the Pharos.

I do hope you'll entertain the idea that TalOS can achieve equality and match Magnus feats of magic with the power of science one day. A true triumph of the Machine Gods material realm over the Warp.
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>>5484311
>One day you are using the Mini Model the next is the Dreadnaught model, ultimately landing in the Imperator Titan
I'm SO incredibly happy you've opened up this idea of TalOS having an apotheosis with the Particeps Semper's machine spirit

I like to see it as a bit of a Russian Doll type scenario. TalOS brain is inside his body, and fits inside the Dreadnought, which (would very easily) fit inside the Imperator.
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>>5484528
>I'm SO incredibly happy you've opened up this idea of TalOS having an apotheosis with the Particeps Semper's machine spirit

No. Just no. What I literally said was modular bodies. The idea that you can trade one body part for another without issue. I am not supporting your idea of apotheosis.
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>>5484572
Oh my bad. When I heard "ultimately landing in the Imperator Titan" I thought you meant TalOS directly controlling a Titans body and temporarily treating it like his own blending with its machine spirit.
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A princeps achieves as close as symbiotic relationship as it gets with a Titan anyway, no? The books describe how the pilot feels its pain and emotions as if it were his own.
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Time on Terra
>>5483530
>>5483535
>>5483567

Simple Enjoyment
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>>5483574
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New Discoveries
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>>5484311
Like giant servo skull Primarch, Brain-in-jar style?

Captcha machine spirit: OAATRY
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>>5484900
Calling that since ages ago.

Not like we dont already move our brain around from our head to our chest. Our brain is effectively in a container inside our chest cavity. As QM said, modular bodies built around it.

Fulgrim lopped off Ferrus head. Imagine the look on his face if he ever did that to us, and we just pick it up and screw it back on and laugh at him.
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+Then let us not delay the Magos.+ TalOS said as he looked towards the mounds of working Tech Priests and even a few Custodians, +You are keeping things quite in order.+

+Thank you~+ She chimed with a small burst of happiness within her voice, +With Magos Land busy trying to decode the data-vault we have found I have been in charge of day to day operations. Come, there is much more inside.+

+I am sure there is.+ TalOS answered as the two of them walked into the building.

What TalOS walked into was a massive complexe that would boggle the mind of most non-mechanicum persons. Before them, under a layer of sheetrock so that the blazing sun does not damage what is inside, was a massive quarry of operation as Mechanicum personnel and Terran Serfs worked to move dirt and stone from the operation.

Unlike a standard quarry where the closer to the bottom you were the closer to the absolute center you are, this Quarry was but a series of scaffolding that carried itself along a long wall. These scaffolding slowly winded down in a spiral to provide the least amount of slop for the machines that were carried upon them.

Such a thing was needed for the previous Machine Spirits that were held within these Mass Eradicators and Melta-Drills. Precious machines only recently discovered were as temperamental as they were precious to massive operations like this. If a Machine Spirit were to fail it would not be hard for any of the Priests to rescue it from a slow plummet here instead of what might have been a devastating crash otherwise.

AS they walked TalOS noticed numerous precious minerals that were yet to be recovered from the earth’s crust being excavated out. In the other direction pieces of scaffolding to help keep the entire operation from collapsing upon itself. He even saw a few Servitors sureing up their current platform, proving that there was no issue with constant vigilance.

+You are operating this facility well UZ1. You have carried it through with as deft a hand as a Magos.+ TalOS said as he gazed upon the built operation, +It pleases the eyes.+

+Thank you. I have tried my best in design. Do you wish to take the elevator down or walk?+

+Walk.+ TalOS answered as he began going down the slope.
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UZ1 had changed somewhat between when TalOS last saw her. She walked with a straightened back and a purpose that TalOS did not see when she was last on Lucius. It was giving off the impressions of someone who knew what they were doing to him. Likely that is why she walked with such confidence, that during her time on Terra she had finally grown to independence.

As for her robes she had grown somewhat. Even though she was past any period of normal genetic growth TalOS guessed she had a series of augmentations that required a larger body to grow. Thus she opted for a more taller and powerful build instead of a smaller and more bulky augmentation. Thus she was just a tad taller than standard men while keeping to the human form. TalOS was no fool, it was obvious she chose this so that she could approach him in height.

As TalOS thought this he noticed an eye from UZ1 that might have gone straight through him if it was a Melta. She must have figured out what TalOS was thinking and decided that annoyance was the best way to demonstrate this knowledge. But TalOS knows this as well, so he let out a small chuckle that only got the same out of her.

She was able to keep herself from going crazy to speak, +Have you been handling things on Lucius well enough? Has the theories I proposed been working?+

+They have, with the greatest effect.+ TalOS barked as he finished his robotic laugh, +Already the amount of food within the Federation was tripled which has caused the feudal societies to boom in population. The same goes for Hive Worlds but at a rate of three to four children per soul instead of the eight that the feudals are generating.+

+So many people, and there will be more. The capacity will continue to grow into the coming few years as the Knights learn the ropes of new operations. Between then and now we will start exporting.+ UZ1 pointed out as she correctly summarizes the situation.

+The period of Exportation will be short. Soon we will start processing and sending those materials to the Forge Worlds to sustain the wave of new workers soon to come.+ TalOS answered her as they continued their way down the path.

+So we will keep growing and growing that. There are still a lot of worlds that we could move if we needed to.+ UZ1 pointed out with a hint of mischief.

+Moving the planets themselves, that would be something.+ TalOS answered as they continued their way down.
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The spiral that made up this operation was several miles long at this time. Such was the cost of having so little sloop that it did not make way in an efficient distance. As they slowly made their way down TalOS smelled the increased toxins of the excavation process. Such was the only issue of using Melta Weapons as you had to deal with both the sludge that was left behind as well as the smoldering smoke of whatever was atomized.

Such a reason was why the Meltas were such good excavation tools. When set correctly they will only destroy carbon based stone which is prevalent across the entire galaxy. The Carbon would disappear, leaving behind a purified ore of whatever material that was being hunted.

In this case it was not ore that was being hunted but infrastructure.

+So how is Trig and Vera doing on Lucius?+ UZ1 asked as they were halfway down the slope.

+They have been managing well for both of their lives. Vera is very attentive in her studies and is currently looking for someone to take her on as an apprentice.+ TalOS said as he thought to himself, +Trig is finishing his training with my sons. He has gotten some augmentations and will be able enough to fight on the front lines within a few more years.+

+I remember when we first picked them up and you brought them up to the Blackstone Fortress.+ UZ1 reminisced in a thought that was spoken out loud, +I know Vera has a good head on her shoulders and will find a willing Magos. Do we know where Trig will have his first campaign?+

+He will be sent to Pterraxi for the ever growing expeditionary fleet. I plan for when I march onto the battlefields once again that I bring him.+ TalOS dictated with a logical plan laid out.

+Really? Who convinced you to go abroad again~? I heard the Dragon of Lucius was content with his prize and wished to dwell on it.+ UZ1 joked with a hint of curiosity.

+My brother Rogal Dorn did so.+

+The Imperial Fist Primarch, when I met him he was so much like his sons it was uncanny.+ UZ1 said first and foremost, +It would be him though. Out of all of your brothers his intelligence is what rivals yours.+

+Maybe, or maybe it is how that intelligence in utilized.+ TalOS pointed out with a small hint of introspection, +We each have similar capabilities but manifest it different with every world we land upon.+
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+That is not the understanding I had from Malcador. From what I understand the differences were planned. It might be based on where you landed and their capatabilities.+ UZ1 placed forward as a caveat.

+That could be correct. The closer we are to each of our worlds the better off we are. The Machine God got me to my world because he knew there was no better place, but my brothers did not have such advantages.+ TalOS admitted.

+Your Creator surely held some influence for your brothers. He is powerful enough to reach into the Warp here. Logically, he will be able to manipulate the warp so that your brothers arrive in better places.+

+Might be the case.+ TalOS admitted as it seemed that his brothers arrived on worlds that were equal to themselves, +We will need to see how all of my others come out to be.+

+We will.+ TalOS agreed as they came close to the end.

What was before them was a massive structure that reminded TalOS of the subterranean research labs that were found across the Reconquista’s territory. This one though does not look to be a simple research based as in numerous places there were pipes and such reaching into the rock. These were heat exhaust pipes for whatever was used for power inside there.

Looking around TalOS saw numerous Skitarii and Servitors busy working out the building as they tried to expose what TalOS realized were numerous tunnels that collapsed which lead out of this complex.

+Over here is our current way in.+ UZ1 pointed out as they walked towards a Melta made hole into the building.

>Manufacturing
>Research
>Secret Intelligence
>Storage
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>>5484920
I would enjoy maintaining a Humanoid facade/ shape akin to Inspector gadget in Holy Red robes. But i can see the merit in a Thomas the Tank Enginseer form aswell
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>>5484995
> Secret Intelligence
Captcha machine spirit: 44GAMM
*concern*
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>>5484995
>Research

For SCIENCE!
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>>5484995
>>Secret Intelligence
SEKRITS FOR WE HAVE ALL THE SEKRITS!!!
Also, technically all this operation is UZ1's room so... wow, is this her room? It's soo cool
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>>5484995
>Secret Intelligence
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>Research
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>Secret Intelligence
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>>5484995
>Secret Intelligence
>inb4 the "secret intelligence" is UZ1 locking the hatch behind us and preparing 5NU 5NU Protocols that she's been developing
Coomer posting aside, I think it could be really cool to make a (extremely subtly enhanced) regular human body for Talos to inhabit occasionally, if only to have a better place to stand and empathize with the most humble of our federation's living Cogs
Oh and hey, I think I asked this forever ago, but can we get a "Promotion" for our ID from the Long Night? I don't want to try to jailbreak it, but surely Emps or Malc had some kind of position that was somewhere within the chain of command and therefore President if the system is smart enough to know that everyone else is long dead
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>>5485260
We already got federal officer credentials from an ancient USB from Malcador.

I headcanon it to effectively make us the President via the Chain of Command.
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>>5484995
>secret intelligence
The fact that she is trying to become bigger just like us makes it very cute
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>>5484995
>Storage.

I'm voting for what we need most, we have ways and technologies that address the other aspects but something we can use in logistics coming straight from the long night.

I would say that this would be the most precious treasure of the four because: It would be something easy to implement, it would help the entire federation and it could be implemented without too many political and financial problems.

Like I don't think the senate is against implementing better warehouses on our planets.
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>>5484995
>Storage.
I agree on storage. We now have an excess of food production and export. We should match that with superior granaries and the capacity to sustain armies, even planets for long sieges. Rogal Dorn would surely agree.

Also damn I LOVE our new high yield industrial agri worlds. In 200 years I can't wait to see just how wonderous they will become. Let alone 10,000. As today you can see the ground of Terra, and in 10,000 years every inch of surface will be buried beneath mountain tall hive ecumenoplis, so too could those agri worlds that survive could grow to such enourmous proportions.
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>>5485377
It is very cute. I imagine in addition to being slightly taller than men in her humanoid form, if she wanted to more easily reach face to face with TalOS she could stand upon a spider or mechadendrite propulsion platform.

Who knows where she might go from there. In canon, on Terra perhaps the most powerful Techpriestess of the Great Crusade was Hieronyma the Archimandrite, Magos Domina of the Ordo Reductor, who had power fists that could punch through space marine armor, shoulder mounted volkite and avenger cannons, and wielded twin barreled fusion cannons in her hand gifted by Arkhan Land. She lead the Mechanicum Forces fighting alongside the Custodes and the Emperor during the Webway War after Magnus breached the walls, as well as trying to defend the Webway connection between Mars and Terra, only being ended when a demon possessed her. Arguably one of the strongest Mechanicum beings in the galaxy at the time alongside Anarchis Scoria. Perhaps, if UZI stays on Terra long enough, she might replace that person in her own way and not get possessed by that damn Drach'nyen.
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>>5484995
>Secret Intelligence
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>Research
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Did I already vote? I don't remember.
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>>5485718
Seems I haven't
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>Secret Intelligence
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>Storage
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>>5484995
>Storage
Our planets should made ready for long sieges at any given time.
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>Storage
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>>5484995
>Storage
Dark age storage technologies perhaps
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>Storage
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Anons, I don't think "storage" is TECHNOLOGY ABOUT STORAGE but A STORAGE
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>>5486057
I hope not, I'm getting fed up with super complex new projects of limited value. Having a basic and multipurpose bonus would be better.
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>>5486057
yes but accurate.
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>>5486074
I meant to laugh. lol.

>>5486073
When I started this vote last night my brain was no thinking. I will not be sorry for the results of this vote though they are minor.
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>>5486057
Don't care. There could be cool shit stored inside there. Even mundane shit from the dark age could have technological value.
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>>5486081
That is my aim.
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Time to find out what kind of facility was discovered

CIA
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Research Facility
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Storage
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If it was a tie I would have made it CIA's storage facility, but instead it will be a covert op's operation base.
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>>5485466
Missed Logic's storage! Then that makes it 7v7 so it will be CIA storage!
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>>5486108
HOLY SHIT, DID WE FIND AREA 51!
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>>5486111
Perfect.
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YAY, now i am happy i forgot to vote
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Lovely. Whatever it is I bet it could drastically boost our defense agianst Alpharius if we don't pick him, or aid him greatly if we do convince him to stay loyalist.

Plus Malcador will want to do his assassin program at some point, and you just know who he's gonna turn to for the Vanus Clade.

Also our own Tech Inquisitors and Magistrates.
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>>5486108
Sometimes ties are for the best
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>>5486138
Considering how close we are it would surprise me if Malcador told us about the Assassins at all. Backwards logic I know, but from their perspective they need to keep some stuff secret and this is the perfect one to do that with, considering it could potentially become a weapon against primarchs.
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>>5486145
Well, even if we don't get involved in his assassin program, there are still the Acuitor Mech Assassins of the Calixis Sector to invest in when we start expanding beyond the Lucius Sector and rediscovering more Forge Worlds.

That's what I love about the 2nd. One could said they are able to dip their hands into many things and are willing to adapt the methods of their brother legions.

-Durable bodies of steel to hold fast like the Death Guard and Iron Warriors, powerful servos to meet the size and strength of the Salamanders and Iron Hands.
-Advanced technologies and superior equipment, a willingness to be ruthless in extermination like the Dark Angels.
-Fast and powerful engines of Columnus make and machine spirit awoken ships, to have races with the Khans.
-Advanced architecture, defenses, logistics and organization both learned from and in tribute to the Imperial Fists, Sons of Horus, and later the Ultramarines.
-Stealth technologies and subsersive data-jinn to have some ability to play with Raven Guard and Alpha Legion.
-Our Astartes can even get angry and let loose some fury if we ever play alongside the War Hounds or Space Wolves to maul some non-compliant worlds
-Even our Lanterns of Charon if we ever need psychic insight like the Thousand Sons, theoretically anyway, or at least ask Malcador

We may not be as good or masters at their own game, but we can play along. More easily perhaps than Mortarion trying to engage in a conquest of speed with the Khan.

The wildcard will be the 11th Primarch. I'm sure QM has been cooking real hard on their nature for the past year and is dying to unleash them.
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Walking into the facility TalOS noticed first and foremost the amount of iconography that was about the place. Numerous posters that were preserved by the depth of the facility and each of them held a single symbol that TalOS assumed to be a sort of identifier for whatever placed owned them before.

There were numerous pieces of equipment that were preserved in this building. One of the things that quickly took TalOS’s eyes was the frame that actually held a majority of the posters upon it. As he looked at the frame his eyes widened as he realized the material that it was made of was wood.

Wood from specifically Terran Trees.

Taking out a small tool TalOS clipped for himself a piece of the material. Quickly the material was placed into a scanner whose machine spirit handed to TalOS that it was indeed wood of a Terran Tree. While knowledge of such trees is prevalent within the Mechanicum the ability to grow them has disappeared with Old Night and Terra’s current state.

This piece of material would allow TalOS to resurrect the species from extinction. He shall do so with full heart placing it upon as many Knightly Worlds as he could. For sure when he informed the Noble Warriors of this they will rejoice as well as he is.

+From now onwards, whatever is found will be a bonus on top of what was already discovered.+ TalOS told UZ1 as he happily contained the piece of wood, +These iconography, are they announcements?+

+We believe them to be a source of judicial education for the workers.+ UZ1 said as she pointed to one document with the characters spelling ‘Davis Bacon Act’, +This one specifically talks about their wage laws and such information. Others talk about the releasing of secrets and the expectations that both their government and others have. That they are protected from retaliation.+

+Really? Do we know why the Ancients would allow the release of information?+ TalOS could not keep the subtle surprise from reaching his binaric speech as that was said.

+Magos Land believes that it was a greater political movement of some kind. If we were to learn the circumstances that led to laws like this he believes they would be reasonable.+

To those words TalOS gave a small sigh, +Well let us continue then.+
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As they went deeper into the facility there were numerous pieces of evidence that something must have happened here. Unlike the room they were in before there were a series of corpses laying upon the ground that looked to have crumbled onto the walls and floor.

TalOS kneeled to one of these bodies and studied it closely. His eyes were able to piece through the numerous pieces of rot and soon he had the corpse opened for greater examination. There was a sickening crunch as he opened the ribs to look at the last of the internal organs that were within the body. All of it rotten and dried, which was what brought forward ideas.

+This woman died of an aerosol that caused immense dryness. She suffocated to death with her body being preserved because of the suffocation.+ TalOS pointed out to UZ1 as he looked up towards her, +What was the chemical composition of the air when this facility was opened?+

+The air contained high amounts of CO2 and that was about it. We are currently suspecting system failure that caused the air within the facility to become faulty.+

TalOS gave a slow nod to those words, +These people did not know they were going to die that day then. Such failures are rare but if a Machine Spirit is either unkept or the Machine God decides such a fate. Maybe this entire find was divined by the Machine God himself.+

+He might have. There is so much information about the time before the federation here.+ UZ1 pointed in a particular direction, +We need to go that way, there is something I want to show you.+

+You are the guide then.+ TalOS rose from his crouch and quickly followed behind UZ1.

Around them TalOS could see everything the Mechanicum had already done. Numerous entrances were either blasted open or hacked with a series of servo-skulls hanging off the control panels. They did not dare do more than simple hacks, for this was still a place of the Ancients as well as one of their governments. If they turned everything on there will likely be numerous pieces of protection hardware that will fight the Mechanicum for each piece of it.

Thus was the reason all lights were on for their expedition’s operation. Wires were strung out and cut so that whatever powered in that direction was prevented from activation. This was all done with great pain, but were necessary pains.
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They arrived at a final door and TalOS noticed that unlike many of the others the Cult’s expeditionary force had a lot of seals and blessings decorating it. There were skulls, ribbons, and prayers of thanks decorated about it that TalOS was surprised himself at the sheer amount of work that was put into this art. As he crossed the threshold he realized why.

They walked into a facility that was of equal size to a standard manufactorium’s warehouse, equaling the size of the colosseum that is on Lucius. TalOS looked to and from to realize that it was lined from one side to another with numerous machines and artifacts of the previous ages. Each of them in exquisite detail and preserved by Terra itself.

There were battle tanks and transports, bikes and armored vehicles. Each of them held some sort of quality that TalOS quickly realized could be remade into reality if only they were to reverse engineering their makings. Sure it might take a few years even with TalOS’s help but he knew for a fact it could be done!

Quickly TalOS ran towards one of the machines and examined it closely, no longer caring for reservations or standard conduct as he looked upon the tank that was before him. TalOS could already see the similarities it had with the Leman Russ and the Baneblade that are both now built upon Lucius. This was different though, a pristine example for TalOS realized must have been purely research.

That quickly explained the reason that each of these vehicles were different. Further examination showed TalOS burn marks and battle scars, showing that these vehicles were in fact stolen from their respective battlefields.

+This is an intelligence facility of Terra, of the Merican Union.+ TalOS announced as everything clicked in place, +Where Land, I would like to thank him for this discovery.+

+This way!+ UZ1 answered happily as they walked out of the chamber and into one of the many adjoining halls.
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The walls were lined with wires and sensor equipment that had died several years into the past. Of those Machine Spirits TalOS felt that those purposed for cooling had been turned back on with as much power as could be diverted to them. If one was not careful there might be a near absolute coldness of space. Such a state of affairs was needed though as these ancient machines used such methods to increase their sheer computing power.

Further in TalOS saw row and row of cogitators and data-banks. The datasphere, which TalOS realized was active now, was displayed on numerous vid-displays showing records of murders and of governmental uprisings. Of conspiracy and battles which had laid the foundation of the Federation that they knew it as.

Among all of these works were about five Tech Priests going through the servers stack by stack. Reconnecting and sanctifying Machine Spirits so that they may be brought back from damnation.

TalOS saw this and identified the one who was leading the Priests. The man himself was standing upon a cogitator that was likely the manager of these devices. The man who was crouched over raised one wicked eye towards TalOS before going back down to his work, +One moment, I am finishing my discovery.+

+Were you able to get the rest of the schematics for the Raider?+ UZ1 asked the Priest with a small hint of anticipation.

+Yes I am close.+ He shot back with his eyes racing from one part of the screen to another, +TalOS, right? Can you kill this data-jin for me it's annoying me.+

>Sure, should be easy enough
>Do so, make sure to steal some data
>You don’t talk to a Fabricator General like that.
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>>5486169
>>Do so, make sure to steal some data
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>>5486169
>Sure, should be easy enough
>Try to see if your Federation Credentials can be used for... something (Removal of Ancient locks/software blocks or just simple access to the machinery/computers, maybe something else?)
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>>5486173
>support
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>>5486169
>Do so, make sure to steal some data
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>>5486173
>Support
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>>5486173
>Support
Never let pomp and circumstance get in the way of two men of the Machine God working on SCIENCE!
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>>5486247
FOR THE GLORY OF SCIENCE!
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>>5486173
Ditto, hopefully our ID is good enough
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>>5486173
OH YES we will show this Land guy to respect us out of sheer NERD MIGHT
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>>5486173
>support of course
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>>5486263
Based fallout poster
Based Big MT
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>>5486169
Support>>5486173
On an unrelated note, seeing how bad things with Fulgrim went, I can only imagine the sheer shitshow that Lorgar will be. Especially when Monarchia happens and he starts to notice the hypocrisy of the Emperor's mechnicus position
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>>5486313
Which in turn, I hope will hamper the efforts of them even more than the Emperor's children if we can trick Lorgar into saying bad things about the Machine God.
Although, the double edged sword is he keeps pushing more of our followers into the worship of the Emperor as Omnissiah
But yeah, some possible conflicts I can see:

>TalOS and Fulgrim
>Argument over the Emperor's designs not being inherently perfect because they can be improved and modified. The creation of our own "bastardized" space marines

>TalOS and Lorgar
>Argument over worship of the wrong god, the Emperor's hypocrisy because he can't afford a war with the Mechanicum, and us generally being a more successful prophet than him and doing everything he wishes he could do but better and with the Imperiums silent blessing while he gets shat on

>TalOS and Angron
>Subverts Angron's "we all fight for a Tyrant! We are no better!" speech by completely agreeing with him, because we are a High Rider and nobilist, we've never fought for 'freedom' and ideals, we expect factory obedience from all the serfs even unto the corpstarche grinder, and our hives have pit gladiators and menial serfs to appease the nobles

>TalOS and Magnus
>Argument that Magnus should give himself and his legion more over to Malcador's supervision and agents, and they should strive to limit themselves akin to the Lanterns / White Scars away from psychic sorcery and warp familiaries and more on astropathy, elementalism and telekinetics
>the prolific use of our Pariahs
>The existence of dangerous warp entities, demons, and why we shouldn't look at the warp too deeply. (we can't reveal Chaos, but we would frame it as Mechanicum Daemon viruses and generalized 'evil')

>TalOS and Curze (and maybe Sanguinious)
>"Why don't you just block the bad visions Curze? I have plenty of blackstone"
>"To close ones eyes to prophecy makes us weak and blind! You blind us all with your shadows of the warp!"

>TalOS and Perturabo
>Perturabo despises gods, priests and faith worshippers on principle and thinks most of the Mechanicum are hardly better than the normal priests
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>>5486354
You are thinking waaaay too kindly for these issues. Like your Angron example.
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>>5486376
Oh I'm definitely understating the rivalry here for sure, there's plenty more we can come to disagreement with them. I'm also eager to see what other less obvious conflicts you throw at us with the brothers we aren't going to get along with. Especially the 11th if he's going to be our 'counterbalance' for introducing another loyalist.

Frankly, it's also going to be interesting after the Heresy how many of the loyalists also call us out too.
"You knew about Chaos and you didn't warn us brother!"
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>>5486173
Support
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>>5486169
>Do so, make sure to steal some data.

I don't think letting this guy know about our special credentials is a good idea, but technology is technology, we have to make sure this place is preserved in the best possible way.
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>>5486354
>>5486376
One example:
Magnus is gonna be PISSED at us.
The presence of the Blackstone Fortress kills psykers on the planet especially after being born, he will recognize that.
Our policies are well known in the Federation and the treatment of psykers will be worse compared to the rest of the imperium.
If he just gets a whiff of our experiments on psykers he will NOT like it.
The hypocracy of treating Pariahs so much better than psykers while proclaiming to be for and descendant of humans and the Federation in general.
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>>5486524
>The presence of the Blackstone Fortress kills psykers on the planet especially after being born, he will recognize that.
Indeed, later on it won't just be the Blackstone Fortress but perhaps the proliferation of more Null Nobilite houses and later Blackstone Technology if we get that far.
>the treatment of psykers will be worse compared to the rest of the imperium.
Or at least, the supposed treatment of psykers. I hope we are conducting better blackship programs to bag and ship them to Sol. More so than say, Death Guard planets later on when they do officially and unofficially kill psykers on site. If it is face value we do just outright kill em, well, that's even less of an issue with psykers simply not making it past infancy.

Both of these facets will mean we are much more dependent on Terra and Mars shipping us Psykana such as Navigators and Astropaths unless we reach a level of technology where we no longer need them. It's a good thing we invented Psi-Candles and are in hoc with Malcador as the leader of the Psykana. A paradoxical, but very profitable relationship.

>If he just gets a whiff of our experiments on psykers he will NOT like it.
I wonder if he'll be jealous Malcador chose us, US who hate the warp over him and his boys for their secret project.

>The hypocracy of treating Pariahs so much better than psykers
*unsanctioned psykers anyway. But yeah.
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Just gonna post this to help the QM count the votes later when he is ready

>Do so, make sure to steal some data
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>Sure, should be easy enough + Use Federation credentials
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>>5486173
>Support
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>>5486865
Fuck, i missed >>5486506

so it is:

>Do so, make sure to steal some data
>>5486172
>>5486212
>>5486506


>Sure, should be easy enough + Use Federation credentials
>>5486173 (You)
>>5486176
>>5486225
>>5486247
>>5486269
>>5486313
>>5486471
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>>5486867
You missed me too
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>>5486881
At least I see others suffering from my pain. Lol.
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>>5486881
>>5486884

Just kill me already!

>Do so, make sure to steal some data
>>5486172
>>5486212
>>5486506


>Sure, should be easy enough + Use Federation credentials
>>5486173 (You) (You)
>>5486176
>>5486225
>>5486247
>>5486269
>>5486313
>>5486471
>>5486264
>>5486866
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Also, this magos is clearly testing us. Even that dismissal at first "Hey primarch do this for me faggot" is to gauge us. I bet he can deal with the data dijinn himself.
I wonder, what is more impressive. Effortlessly doing quarantine protocols on the glitch or using our codes... I want to use the codes because we damn have em!!! We traded important choices for it...
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>>5486894
Don't think of it as missing options, think of it as it being the one TaL0S would have made.
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If TalOS was a callus man or someone who saw their ultimate achievements as a source of their person, he would feel a great offense to those words. No Priest, even one from Mars, should talk to a Fabricator General of any Forge World like he just did.

TalOS however did not care too terribly about his position. No matter how hard won his position was through his sheer amounts of merit that was to ignore the here and now. Here they were within the bowls of what is the greatest finding the Mechanicum has yet to rediscover upon the Cradle of Humanity itself. The now was that they were encroaching upon the greatest discovery of this facility and a data-djin was getting in the way.

These were the facts that led TalOS to approach a nearby cogitator stack and insert a mechanrite into the device.

The framework of this network was filled with order and understanding, but damage was already noticed. TalOS noticed so many bridges and directories within the framework were built with trace hallmarks of a Mechanicum construction. The chances were low that these hallmarks were original to the data-stacks and were instead placed into their network to help Magos Land reconstruct the files that were lost to time and data-eaters.

Speaking of data eaters TalOS quickly pulsed the system and examined the Machine Spirits responsible for the memory of the system and the infantile thinking they hold. Far from there being a single data-dijin that was striking out there were many others who were currently being contained and destroyed through hardware deactivations.

Such methods were impractical, doubly so when they were trying to repair this very network. Who knows which data-stack holds what info and every time you would activate it you would run the risk of the data-eater reawakening itself. Thus the issues that TalOS needed to solve was how to deactivate these creatures.

With a thought TalOS tracked down one of these Spirits and examined its framework. They appeared to be native to the system as the Data Dijin contained numerous articles of calculation that marked it as Merican. Thus TalOS assumed that these Machine Spirits were not here to attack the server, but clean it so that enemy forces could not get to it.

This fact did not surprise him for he uses it himself. So the assumption is what protocol was triggered that enabled these Data-Dijin to run free and what would send them back.

With another moment TalOS approached the personnel domain systems. This here was not raw data but where the Ancients had once interacted with their Machine Spirits. While the Mechanicum and some Ancients do not need these, this was where normal humans would interact.

With another thought TalOS looked into the data-mainframe and archives.
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Here TalOS could see the efforts of his fellow Priests were already hard at work. Two separate data-divinitation Spirits were trying to find the right combination of esoteric characters to get them access into the gui. They were sharing information between one another which allowed TalOS to look at and study what had worked. There were some successful combinations but TalOS saw none of them gave divine Administrator Access.

Here an idea formed, for right now the Adepts were testing the system for names and ranks that were already in the system. This was a standard process but was showing the time there needed as the Ancients during their era looked to have been employing several different criteria for access.

TalOS counted that the Priests were generating seven entries per attempt, each a synthesis of badges, passwords, usernames, and certificates all of which makes systems like these harder to crack. TalOS could help them but he thought of another means.

His identification of being a Terran Federation personnel was authentic as it could be, and was much more than a simple character configuration. Upon the ship in orbit, and within the Blackstone Fortress, was a series of servers and devices that are the original data-stacks that contained authentication of the Federal User Domain.

In the most common terms, these data-stacks acted as a third party in the authentication process. A normal Cogitator would never know the credentials of the Terran Official for he likely never accessed such systems. So they would instead try to tap the Terran Federation’s Domain Gallery for the name and identification codes. These systems are the divine Doman Gallery, meaning his authentication would come as true.

For a moment as TalOS prepared the sending of data he felt a tinge of sadness. These two devices that TalOS was gifted could not be replicated in any way even with his own elite mind. The Ancients had placed safeguards into the Machine Spirit’s fabric such as Seed Dating and recording protection. As the Abominable Intelligences of old could not break them in the hundred years worth of war they wrought against mankind, TalOS did not have hope in solving the fundamental fabric of their machines either.

Thus TalOS submitted his qualifications and to see if the Machine Spirits were quelled by his interference. His qualifications placed in the Machine Spirits halted at once, realizing that a kindred spirit in his ancient machine recognized them. Authorization was recognized as the machines saw TalOS as the sitting president of the Merican Union. To what historical complications come from that, TalOS will leave to learn later.
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The instant authorization was placed into the system and the Data-Dijins were overrun and taken down. Quickly his fellow Priests took the code handed to them and under the illusion of being TalOS himself. Such things though can only happen on this Cogitator array, for his identifier was unique to this system. Such was the pains of working with technology of the Dark Age.

Information flowed like water now through the system as the Adepts finally found a reprieve. Previous systems were restored with Directory Keys left intact from initial attempts to wipe the system. After that it was easy for them to discover what was held within these files. Once again using the guise of TalOS they were not restricted to anything.

As this all happened TaloS heard a wicked laugh coming from Arkhan Land as his wild eyes gazed upon TalOS, +It is ours now! The future of humanity is secured for another thousand years!+

+If what is found here is that useful, then I must pray to the Omnissiah for such deliverance.+ TalOS called back as he began walking towards the Tech Priest, +I am TalOS DAV1S, you are Arkhan Land?+

+The one and only unless someone has attempted to clone me.+ The Tech Priest answered back as his wicked eye met TalOS’s mechanical set and then to UZ1, +The Raider has been fully retrieved from the Machine Spirits. We must begin understanding the schematics now.+

+That is great to hear!+ UZ1 cried out with a small smile on her lips before angling her eyes at TalOS, +Uh, but sir…+

+I know I know, but TalOS is a man of Knowledge and Practicality above all else.+ Pointed out Land as he gazed upon the Primarch, +Give me another moment dear Fabricator General I will be with you. I need to make sure my Machine Spirits remember these schematics so I am not set back several months.+

+That can be given with ease.+ TalOS announced as he studied the man before him.

Arkhan Land was by all means an odd figure when it came to comparing him to other Priests. Unlike his fellows of high rank he was very much closer to man than machine, while even sporting what looks to be glasses of some kind to assist him in his investigations. Even UZ1, who needed glasses at some point, had eventually removed them for clone made eyes of her own crafting.
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It was when TalOS’s observations finished that Arkhan rose from his seat and quickly made his way towards TalOS. TalOS could only guess that Arkhan was feeling the adrenaline of a powerful find that invigorated even the Mechanical Tech Priests. He looked at TalOS in a way that could only be described as soul-scribbing.

Was such a stare because he was really trying to study TalOS through mechanical eyes, or was there a sense of lunacy within him that was more apparent than other Priests.

“I am Arkhan Land! It is my pleasure to see the Master of Adept UZ1!” He announced in a Gothic Tongue while extending his hand towards TalOS.

“I hold the same pleasure to you, Arkhan Land.” TalOS told the Priest as he received the welcoming gesture in kind, “This is quite the discovery you have made. How did you come to learn about it?”

“I learned of it from the Archives at the Imperial Palace!” Declared the Priest with a hand raised high into the air, “Lord Malcador saw me one of the few Priests fit to walk upon Terra and I made sure that no man, not even the Omnissiah himself, would question such a decision!”

“And he was correct.” TalOS answered as he wondered for a moment if Malcador simply did not divine the future, “What have you found here? I have been hearing of this raider.”

“Yes, the Raider.” Arkhan quickly sent TalOS a data package of images and details that was enough for the Primarch to gain an understanding of what was found, “The Raider I realized was meant to deliver Cybernetic troops on the battlefield as well as provide them firing support. I can already see it serving the Astartes as its dimensions fit their build much better than a mortal man!”

To those words TalOS’s eyes widened with surprise, for indeed the Priest was correct. Land’s Raider will be able to deliver Astartes from battlefield to battlefield, something that they had been sorely lacking these last few decades of war. Even in TalOS’s own war only the Skitarii had tanks to speak of while the Proelitor were always left on foot.

>Vocalize pure support in this finding!
>Ask if he cares about the tanks found in the hanger (And maybe take them)
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.
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>>5487019
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.
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>>5487019
>Ask if he cares about the tanks found in the hanger (And maybe take them)
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>>5487019
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.
>Ask if we could get a copy of the schematics so we could produce it in our Federation

This is very nice and we should (in my opinion) try our best to get the schematics for Land's Raider. The tank can take down Titans if armed with the right weapons and is a direct upgrade to any armored vehicle we have right now.
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>>5487019
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.
Well done Land. Let's give him some practical support.

I figure when QM says "lacking in tanks" he means as a dedicated heavy transport, given the Malcador was built to be piloted by Marines/Thunder Warriors and is part of the regular army list. But it has no transport capability.

Personally I think as our dedicated heavy transports we're better off finding the Stormlord. It costs the amount of 2 Land Raiders but:
-Can carry four times as much as a single land raider (40 per Stormlord v 10 per Land Raider, or twice as much as two land raiders). So you're really buying four transports for the price of two.
-On top of having a plethora superior weapons, it has the open topped rule, allowing 20 models within to fire (Lascannon Heavy Support squads in a mobile bunker anyone?)
-It's more patriotic to Lucius given Lucius is a baneblade facility

But for now if we so badly need heavy transports we can adopt it and make plans to switch to stormlords later. Plus our brothers will certainly make use of this, and Land will have many more discoveries that will be of great value to us.
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>>5487040
Really? Which pattern of Land Raider, I'm guessing the Achilles? Bit short range for a Titan Killer but it's got more in the way of armor cracking firepower.

My main issue with the Land Raider is as a tank it suffers some of the same design disadvantages as the Malcador:
-No dedicated Turret Weapons platform, all weapons are hull or sponson mount (theoretically we could strap a turret on the top akin to what they did with a Helios Rocket Launcher, but we don't get much kitbashing done)
-No long range weapon comparable to the 72" of the Battlecannon
-Ignoring the accuracy and leadership buffs from being crewed by space marines and our better technology, it shares about as similar a datasheet profile as a Malcador if not slightly better Strength and Attack (but who uses tanks in melee?). Malcador even has a few more wound points. Hell when wounded the Malcador is also faster than the Raider at 7" vs 5". The better armor save of 2+ over 3+ is very good though desu, but we should really just look into the metallurgy of the Raider and just apply it to all our tanks.
-Slightly more expensive than the Malc by 2 points (but fuck taking that into account we aren't poor)

Don't get me wrong it's a superb armored transport compared to the Rhino or Chimera or such, and that's what we should use it as, a Heavy Transport. But technically as a dedicated tank doing tank engagements, the Malcador is comparable if not somewhat better because it has actual battlecannons to engage at range and the same amount of sponson and hull Lascannons. And the Russ is a better tank than the Malcador and we have that now.
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>>5487019
changing my vote here >>5487035
to
>supporting >>5487040
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>>5487064
Here is the varient i was thinking off: https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Land_Raider_Terminus_Ultra

It has 8 lascannons and could take down a titan with a salvo of them. Obviously it has some energy issues, but we might be able to mitigate them with some of our future dicsoveries if we advance down Technomancy.
As for it lacking a turret, that really isn't a major problem for the tank itself. The reason why one would want a turret is to mount a bigger cannon/gun than a sponson could hold, but we wouldn't really need to worry about that since we have a doctrine of "Superiority through Orbital Control" and our ground units are supposed to simply be our staying power on the ground which can hold it, while the ships/orbitals take care of enemy threats. Therefore, a vehicle that has a lot of different angles of attack would be more effective for any role that we would WANT to delegate it to (ie. urban combat, asset acquisitions, transport through rough terrain or fire support). So its main job wouldn't be killing titans (even though it could, due to its modilarity), but fulfilling whatever role we want it too.

If we want a good tank, then we should get a Baneblade variant (The Shadowsword varient perhaps?) and make those, but you have to remember that while tanks are good, we already have something that it superior to it in nearly anyway except for profile/silhouette (knights).
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>>5487019
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.
Has Land invented the Dunecrawler engine yet? Let's support him so he can get to it.
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>>5487096
Ah, I missed that on Wahapedia. They don't call it "Land Raider: Terminus Ultra" just Terminus Ultra. Yeah the lascannons on this are nice and that makes it much better at tank combat. But it lacks transport capability unfortunately, so we're back to square one with finding an armored way to move our astartes/acillians up.

>our ground units are supposed to simply be our staying power on the ground which can hold it
>Therefore, a vehicle that has a lot of different angles of attack would be more effective for any role that we would WANT to delegate it to
Agreed.

I think, even in comparison to the Terminus Ultra, when we get to Baneblades the Stormlord will serve us well as our penultimate dedicated transport. It's basically a mobile bunker with 360 degree firepower that allows 20 men to fire from within and holds up to 40, so if we load it up with Devastators with Lascannons that's an incredible amount of firepower even compared to the 8 lascannons of the Terminus. Especially cause the Terminus Ultra can't carry anyone at all, and as you say, we have an overabundance of Knights for the role of assault vehicles now.

Also the Terminus is 22 points for only 16 wounds while the Stormlord is 27 points for 26 wounds. If we can reverse engineer the metallurgical science to plate our baneblades/stormlords with a 2+ weapons save we'll have the worlds greatest mobile bunkers
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>>5487106
*2+ armor save
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>>5487019
>Ask if he cares about the tanks found in the hanger (And maybe take them)
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>>5487106
>Strap so many weapons onto your transport it stops being a transport
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>>5487019
>Ask if he cares about the tanks found in the hanger (And maybe take them)
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.
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>>5487137
Later
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>>5487178
the pictured design philosophy isn't a path we want to intentionally go down lol
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If Knights are our tanks and Lucius are the masters of teleportation technology, all they have to do is drop a teleportarium beacon and deploy troops waiting in orbit. Instant support of infantry at a moments notice at the front lines and then those same troops can teleport back up to orbit to be redeployed where else they are needed. Actually iirc we have teleporting Knights now don't we? They probably are walking teleporarium beacons.
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>>5487137
Oh god, not the thing that says the Bradley was supposed to be a tank.
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>>5487196
Hell yeah. I think, didn't Perturabo Appreciator's concept of a pre-fabricated void forts that can be descended or teleported for surface assaults get passed way back?

Deployable castles and defending them would be familiar to Knights who can man them, and make excellent hard points to secure ground objectives or encircle an enemy. It's probably energy efficient to use them as teleportation stations to redeploy forces on the ground rather than making them have to go all the way back into orbit.

Dorn would approve of being able to snap our fingers and have a ring of forts appear ready to defend.
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>>5487208
yeah, it got passed and we used them once, but we haven't really been at war, so they haven't been mentioned much.
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>>5487019
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.
Arkhan Land also made an amazing Land Crawler tractor. Like out of all his STC discoveries that was his most produced and significant since "even space marines need to eat". That could be useful for our agri-worlds. We should help him.
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>Ask if he cares about the tanks found in the hanger (And maybe take them)
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.

Support and combing over the finds are important.
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>>5487019
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.
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>>5487019
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.
Land Raider's not bad. It should be distributed through the Imperium.

We should aim to acquire the Triaros for the Federation instead, at least before we get the Baneblade. It's the Mechanicum 30k equivalent to the Land Raider and has virtually the same stats, but carries more than twice as many men and with better weapons. It also fits our Legion better as a Mechanicum vehicle.
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>>5487019
>Ask if he cares about the tanks found in the hanger. (And maybe take them)
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.

The other equipment may be "inferior" but it can be useful in creating a cost-effective transport for the auxiliaries not to be left behind fighting alongside our children, of course without using a super expensive vehicle that would be worth more than the troops on board.
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>>5487416
They are very much identical profiles with the single exception of the Raider's attack value (which again, melee isn't really that important for an assault transport), not to mention cheaper (11 power vs 14) and yes can carry twice as many inside. Much better suited to the Federation than the Land Raider, notwithstanding we are a Mechanicum army rather Imperial Astartes

>>5487425
>That image
I believe 40k has the equivalent of the LAV in the Testudo, which was a precursor to the Chimera. Sounds about right maybe this discovery leads to its creation.
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>>5486168
>the Baneblade that are both now built upon Lucius
BTW
When we return to Lucius we need to promote the fuck out of whoever discovered the Baneblade STC for us. That's not the sort of thing to tuck away in a single line!

Whoever that Techpriest or Techmarine was their name needs to be remembered for all time and they should have a position at our side or give them a planet to govern in reward.

I'm so hype we have Baneblades now. Who needs land raiders?
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>>5487460
Agreed, that's a discovery on par with the Leman Russ and the Land Raider. They should be rewarded appropriately. We're better off just focusing our heavy vehicle industry on the Bane Blades and leave Land Raiders for the rest of the Imperium.
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>>5487688
According to the Wiki the Baneblade is one of the oldest known STCs to Mars. What happened here is that Mars told everyone how to build the Baneblade.
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>>5487694
Did they also keep its existence a secret until now? For a long time we've been talking about finding the baneblade under the premise no one knew it existed since every time we talked or asked about it there was nothing.
We've been shipping STC's to Mars for decades and only now they decide to release the Baneblade?

We need to have a talk with Kelbor, this doesn't speak very good of the Martians. What else are they withholding from us or the Imperium.
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>>5487694
>According to the Wiki the Baneblade is one of the oldest known STCs to Mars
That was the very same thing we mentioned many threads ago after we reunited with Mars, but I recall you mention we still need to find it or "get around to it".
>>5487703
Fucking Kelbor, we promise to help Mars gain prominence and shower him with STC's and this is what he does? He better have a good damn explanation why he withheld it until now.
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>>5487019
>Ask if he cares about the tanks found in the hanger (And maybe take them)
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.


We still should help with Land's Raider manufacturing like making new variants, that are lighter and faster or/maybe have shields and are equipped with lascannons.
These could also serve as bargaining chips or just giving the extra shiny special ones to the brothers we like.
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>>5487694
Damn it Kelbor!
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>>5487019
>Provide a week’s worth of assistance, to speed up the distribution of the goods.
Dick move for the martians to hold the baneblade from us until now.
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>>5487694
>>Mars told everyone how to build the Baneblade
Also in canon Mars only told a select few favored forge worlds how to build the Baneblade. The two other producers being Lucius and Estaban VII

In your game do they just release it to the entire Mechanicum or just the selected few?

"Baneblades constructed on these worlds will be logged and registered with Mars, with their own identity number and name, and all information pertaining to their whereabouts and crew are regularly reported to their place of origination"
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>>5487759
Let's make it those they trust. Kelbor trusts Lucius now.
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>>5487454
The triaros is flat out better, so it should be our legion's substitution for the land raider. Especially since we'll have an easier time getting replacement parts from allied forge worlds. But the macrocarid explorator were command vessels of explorator magos, started out using the land raider phobos pattern before using more customized hulls.

So we should have a reason to maintain at least a few land raiders.
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>>5487785
Sounds good

>>5487815
That's from the new Mechanicum book isn't it? Yeah, I guess that's a valid reason to have some.
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>>5487815
What an ugly motherfucker. Seriously who was the retard who thought mechanizing a turtle was a good idea, seriously how a cult war weapon looks so much like something straight out of star wars?
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Provide a week's assistance
>>5487021
>>5487040
>>5487043
>>5487097
>>5487294
>>5487404
>>5487416
>>5487067

Take one tanks!
>>5487124
>>5487146
>>5487425
>>5487713
>>5487364
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You guys want an extremely short of longer update. I can release a really short one tonight but I just don't have time to write a full one. Lots happened at work and I had stuff today so I could not do my normal sit down.
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>>5488265
I'm going to release it even if its just one page. You fellows can complain otherwise, but I do not want to set any precedent to myself where I can miss an unscheduled today.
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>>5488265
>Save it up for a double banger tomorrow
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>>5488280
Youre the boss
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>>5488265
bigger is better ;)
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“That is… amazing!” TalOS answered with a fury of excitement that only Demi-Gods could express, “I know the Legions have been wanting something like that for the longest of times. If I do not encroach, I wish to help you with this.”

The mad Priest grew a small grin as he heard those words, “Of course of course! So you see this here-”

With that agreement TalOS and Arkhan began work on deciphering the schemes of the Raider. So much knowledge was to be gleaned from the device as they looked upon it. Whatever inferences were quickly gleamed and tests conducted for the realization of how this weapon could be employed.

Such were the reasons that three of the greatest minds of the age were together. UZ1 and Arkhan discussed what the parts were and how they work, creating schemes that TalOS quickly built with his industrious strength and authority equal to the Sigillite.

Many secrets, such as the suspension, were things that they were all coming accustomed to. It was quite something. The sheer toughness of the vehicle was the first of many things elected, while still being able to carry ten marines a vehicle. While its speed was not the greatest, compared to wheeled vehicles and others on tread it was something.

Still enough could not be said about the toughness and armor. What it might lack in speed made up for the fact that it can take more shots than the Malcador and Leman Russ while still living. Armor as thick as a thigh and internals so robust that so many failures could occur without anything happening to the system. And speed was not a big deal when one considered that it was of equal speed with the rest of the fleet.

Overall the week continued on without error of incident as they developed the Raider.

>UZ1 should return to Lucius
>She shall continue on Terra for a few more years.
>Give her the option.

I will make tomorrow big if I can. I cannot guarantee it since the project I have right now at work is not finished.
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>>5488289
>Give her the option.
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>>5488289
>Give her the option.
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>>5488289
>Give her the option
Its neat that were working with Land. Such a brilliant mind.

Given the similarities between the Raider and the Triaros, with the Triaros holding slightly more men, I bet TalOS will take what he learns from the Raider and apply it to the creation of the Mechanicum's mainstay assault transport.
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I hope we get the option to name them Arkhan's Raider (Arkhan raider) instead of Land's Raider (land raider)
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>>5488326
Lol he will still probably be irked eitherway. "Its Arkhan's Raider. Arkhan's! I am not being assaulted by my own vehicle!"

Hmmm on that note supposedly Arkhan had been working on a third tank, "Arkhan's Enigma", which would sit between a Predator and a Raider. Doubt we'll have any need or use for it though, but would be curious if that was true or not.
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>>5488341
speaking about the land raider we should probably make a variant that has it's side weapons in front of the doors (I hate that the weapons block the doors on some) and replaces the twin-linked heavy bolter's on top for a proper tank gun either the autocannon from the predator or the battle canon of the Leman Russ.
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>>5488471
I would love to kitbash and make new variants but I think QM has outright said he wants to avoid TalOS making AU changes of that nature. So I'd save my effort towards just rediscovering canon patterns instead. But if we could do those things I would say those are very sensible things to do. Weapons blocking doors from opening is dumb.

The Macorid thing is ugly as sin, but I think the Tairos is passable. Aesthetics aside it is more cost effective and comes with volkites and a ram and claws the better to bash through walls so it's got better utility as a breacher. The big thing is also has increased carrying capacity iirc 20 men over 10 for less points to boot

More importantly it's thematically appropriate for us than the Land Raider as it is both a Mechanicum vehicle and a Great Crusade one. We aren't the Imperium we are the Mechanicum.

We should manufacture good Land Raiders for our brothers, and retain a fleet of Tairos for ourselves for the same purpose.

Way I see it:
Imperial Legionnes Astartes:
>Light Transport = Rhino
>Assault Transport = Land Raider
>Heavy Transport = Mastodon

Mechanicum/Lucian ederation:
>Light Transport = Skorpios Dunerider
>Assault Transport = Triaros
>Heavy Transport = Stormlord

Stormlords being easier for us to acquire and hoarded as one of the galaxies big three baneblade planets alongside Estaban VII which might not happen until later if at all
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>>5488289
>>Give her the option.
But also explain the reasoning behind it, at least how TaL0S sees it. After traveling through the mechanicum he realized that Lucius wasn't the outlier with how conservative it was (which he likes btw), but pretty much the norm slightly advanced with his presence.
That for the mechanicum to stay this conservative, foundational and secure it needs those geniuses and prodigies all the more to probe those foundations for weaknesses and to find new ideas or else it would stagnate and collapse in on itself.
So those geniuses that prove themselves against the norm have to be fostered and give some leeway.

Yes, TaL0S is so conservative that he approached radicals from the other side.
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>>5488289
>>Give her the option.
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>>5488289
>Give her the option.
TalOS has always valued her opinion and initiative and that hasn't changed.

>>5488514
I have a theory that QM makes TalOS weak spot to be vehicle technology. He's never been a good inventor when it comes to tanks and war machines, or at all, just being handed STC's but never touching them. Compared to others like Land, Cawl, Vulkan or Perturabo who invented war machines and tanks of their own. Perturabo was building diesel tanks when the rest of Olympia was still using steam engines. But look at how easily he created Magnificat and his own space marines. My theory is going down the path of the genetor made him specialize to be a master of the anatomical arts but at the cost of not studying how to make tanks and ground engines. That's why he's impressed and interested in learning from Arkhan. It also explains why he was able to invent things for the knights, because they are humanoid rather than conventional vehicles
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>>5488289
>Give her the option.
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>>5488289
>Give her the option.
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>>5488289
>Give her the option.

I have a hard time seeing a scenario where Tal0S would force his will over "little one", in a risky situation perhaps?
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It is her option
>>5488294
>>5488297
>>5488302
>>5488586
>>5488601
>>5488640
>>5488702
>>5489083
>>5488617
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>>5488617
What if we just make a flesh beast into a tank?
Like a cat bus
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>>5489165
>flesh beast

that sounds an awful lot like heresy to my ears.
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>>5489165
We found Moravec anons, get him!
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There were some things that TalOS was able to do, and things that he is not able to do. The concept of a Primarch not being able to do things would be foreign to his brothers. For the Tech Priest Primarch though TalOS had run into many things that could not be done by his own two hands. It was so long ago that TalOS learned this lesson that it was ingrained into his very person, thus he did not really have a retrospection on it or feel shame when it came up.

+Oil applied to gear to the Machine Spirit’s sanctification.+ Called out UZ1 as she lifted a chain, +Release the tension.+

With a powerful effort TalOS brought the hydraulics down. His muscles began to quake with power to turn a simple engine mechanism to the side. By TalOS turning it a bearing that was meant to apply tension to the entire strand was released. However if the bearing was still in position it would also prevent any new chains from being placed into the mechanism thus preventing the entire Machine Spirit from functioning.

Thus was the reason TalOS was here and UZ1 was putting the chain around all the gears and other bearings. She did so as fast as she could, as was the subscribed suggestion when it came to committing this ritual. Many a Priest delayed and resulted in getting themselves killed by accident thanks to Machine Spirit failures of what was holding the tension.

It could be described as hard to TalOS. He knew that his base body would likely struggle against this as his duty was meant for greater and more wondrous machines. As he moved two of his extra hands upon the lever and the activation of his mag-lock feet he knew that he will hold.

+Final check, look over it!+ UZ1 called out thus summoning TalOS’s attention to the line.

His eyes carried themselves from one gear to another, his Cogitators giving him a reference map of what was to go to where on the STC diagram.

+I concur with your work, I am ready to release.+ TalOS answered UZ1 with a certainty of confirmation.

+Release.+ She ordered, and TalOS did exactly that.

The two of them watched as the gears and chain all tightened around one another. A slight shifting going across all the parts as realignment occurred. There was satisfaction in seeing that, as well as knowing that this was one of the remaining tasks that needed to be done.

+Let us acquire some water and we can continue.+ TalOS said as he sent a message to a nearby servitor.

+I would like that, thanks.+ His fellow Priest answered back with a dose of satisfaction within her voice.
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Work continued without issues for them all. Discoveries were made and devices were analyzed. It was easy to tell that repairs upon the Land Raider were not meant to be done by a normal man, as things such as tension releases were not present upon the design. Thus when the Marines get these vehicles they will need to have a continued reliance on the Mechanicum who have access to powerfully built servitors.

If nothing else the Acillians and Astartes of the second legion auxiliaries will also care for them. Knowing some of the legions they will be the ones who are approached for these repairs, not the standard human Tech Priests.

+It just needs its armor now.+ UZ1 pointed out as she took a sip of her drink.

+Armor and weapons. I already know it will operate though.+ TalOS declared as he looked upon the exposed chassis with the same respect a man would give a king, +I can already see the hundreds of battlefields made better thanks to its presence. The Legions will be able to traverse mountain, swamp, river, and desert within this vehicle.+

+It is hard to imagine all of that.+ UZ1 said as she looked at TalOS with more solemn eyes, +Have you been managing the work of Fabricator General well?+

+Yes, the problems are limited and isolated. It takes much of my time as expected.+ TalOS answered as he took his own drink and opened a piece of his face to take the fluids, +As for other matters, I have both my sons and the children to take care of. Numerous projects and wars mean I simply do not have time to engage in lavity or rest.+

+But many of those are rest.+ Pointed out UZ1 with a small bit of expertise.

TalOS gave a nod to that, +Rest is subjective to each person. How I was designed it was obvious the Emperor only meant for us to experience true rest during sleep. I no longer need even that now.+

+Cerebral coring or hacking?+ UZ1 placed forward with a hint of interest.

+Hacking.+ TalOS answered with a small laugh, +I know my body well enough and there are plenty of tell-tale signs of construction. I know my body like we know this machine, and with my knowledge of other bodies I’ve realized mine is the most malleable on purpose. As it was built, it can be understood.+

+Should I call you lucky in that manner?+ UZ1 put forward as a physiological thought.

+I think I would count it as that.+ TalOS answered back knowing that his spirit was lucky to be housed in the body of a Primarch.
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The two had their drinks to allow their bodies to recover. They had spent the last five hours working upon the machine without error and without taking the moments of rest as required by F.A.G. Thus they were obligated to take this moment of rest, if nothing else than for TalOS to not show hypocrisy to the Machine God’s will.

It was after another moment’s thought that TalOS went ahead and asked, +UZ1, do you wish to return to Lucius?+

It was a simple question that needed thought for a good answer. And to think was a specialty of the Tech Priests. So UZ1 thought and planned out her response to show the respect nessecary that the answer needed, +I do wish to return to Lucius. I have been away for too long and so many things I missed are there.+

+Will you be staying there permanently?+ TalOS placed forward next.

+If there is room in your court I would like to. I loved being here on Terra though, but I know there is more to do on Lucius.+ She seemingly thought to herself though as she placed a finger on her chin, +I would like to travel though. Oh TalOS, just the sheer amount of places and information that I have learned showed me that there is so much out there.+

+That can be easily arranged both inside and outside the Federation.+ TalOS advertised knowing it would be exactly what she was wishing for, +The Auxiliary are plentiful and everywhere. Where they serve, you can be.+

+True, but that does not finish the equation to result in a true statement.+ UZ1 played with her words to the entertainment of them both, +I heard of a tale that Lucius held a great Dragon who sits upon his throne at all hours of the day. I will come if he joins me in a few of those.+

+He will if he gets time, and now he has obligations that drive him from his horde.+ TalOS joked as he gave a nod, +With my membership to the War Council I know we will be everywhere in the galaxy. So you don’t need to worry about staying in one place.+

+Good~+ She said before walking up and patting TalOS on the head, +Great to see you’ve listened to the reason of your brother.+

+He is the one to put in the leg work, I simply got the permissions I would have wanted.+ TalOS answered back while keeping on the same wave length that UZ1 was on.

After all, she knew as well as TalOS that he did want to be on the council. It was only that Politics got in the way. Now that someone has resolved the issues, it was full power onwards!
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“Finished, a Magnum Opus of the Ancients before us!” Shouted Arkhan Land in the tongue of man as he looked over the machine's exterior and make, “My Lord Fabricator General TalOS, befit your lineage to the Omnissiah you have given me this piece of work!”

“I am honored with your praise and wish to give it back to you.” TalOS said as he rubbed his hand on the frame of the Land Raider, “You are the one to discover it and breach the places of product deviation. I feel that this machine shall be the mightiest core to the future of the Astartes and their operations. But this is the first model in many, and you need to scheme out how to make it many.”

“Yes yes, I can already see the lines of servitors and serfs working upon the framework within my mind’s eye. It was easy since the diagrams of construction are already present in the systems.” Joked the Tech Priest with a shrug.

“I wish you future tidings, Arkhan.” UZ1 said to the Priest with a bow of honor, “To have found this with you is something I never thought possible. But I have built ancient technology with my own two hands.”

“I did not think I would get to that point either.” Admitted the maniac as he gave a hearty laugh, “This means I will need to get a new servant to monitor the serfs and laborers. Maybe I can convince the Sigillite to give me a Custodian.”

“I could put in a word if you want that.” TalOS put forward both a jest and a bonafide suggestion.

“He only needs to give me permission to use those Custodians who keep scouting my dig site. He can stop beating around the bush and make them my bodyguards.” Arkhan hummed to himself to continue the jest, “But those men do not have Mind Implants, they will not do. I will figure it out, Adept UZ1, for I know I will. You, however, are released.”

“Thank you Arkhan Land, I look forward to your Raider’s build scheme arriving on Lucius.”

“As do I! When I have a chance I will visit and dig into that star of yours.” The Tech Priest told them as they broke apart.
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The trip back from Terra back towards Lucius was as standard as all standards go. There was always a sense of worry when it came to Warp Travel but the Galaxy did not contain nearly as many Warp Storms as it previously had. Thus travel was easy and expedient through the unconscious mind of all sentient life.

TalOS felt himself lost for a moment as he thought back to his brother Rogal. The man had officially become a Primarch the last day TalOS was upon Terra and his declaration struck a sort of cord with TalOS.

“We fight for humanity my sons! Let them be wayward siblings or cordial nobles we shall bring them all into the fold. Each planet we touch shall become better than it was before, where we take it in hours the planet will last thousands of years against all others who go against it. Many of you do not understand this, but you will in time. That is because we are my Father’s Soldiers and exemplars of humanity, as mercy shall be our shield and truth be our sword to cut the galaxy. Swear to me this, and it will be.”

TalOS knew that Dorn had made his decision. He will do what TalOS failed in and be a conquering builder. He wondered if his brother will succeed in that, hard to say but the man did have a good head on his shoulders.

+These are… magnificant.+ UZ1 declared as she looked at the smallest machines in TalOS’s arsenal, +To think this was out there…+

+The Cult of the Micro-Omnissiah has given me enlightenment in many ways, these being one of them.+ TalOS informed UZ1 as he rose from his thinking stage, +Soon these machines will be implanted into my person. After that, we will see.+

+So what are your plans?+ Asked the Priestess as she listened in rapt attention.

+I believe I have two plans before me.+ TalOS put forward with some thought in his person, +To readopt the form of man, or become more than that.+

+I see, I can already see what is being suggested.+ UZ1 admitted as she looked at TalOS with both curiosity and concern.

+It still needs to be said.+ TalOS told her as he placed a hand on his chest, +For that is the basis of ideas is to share them and negotiate with them. Even if you know there is still the need to make conversation of it.+

+Yes, you are right.+ She said with a solemn bow, +Speak your mind and I shall listen.+

+And I thank you for that.+ TalOS told her as he got his rational behind his mind corrected.
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+The Nanomachines, as you see, are able to do so much. The ability to rebuilt entire organs is easy with my knowledge of them as well as enhancing the body tenfold. It does not matter if it is man or machine these devices are able to do it.+ TalOS told UZ1 as he walked over to a small container than ran black with the devices, +They will allow me to become more like man again, to reforge my arm and appear seemingly human to the naked eye. I will not be that though, I will be as much machine as I am man.

+You are suggesting Crux Mechanicum to be a potential goal?+ UZ1 put the idea of divine equality within the conversation.

+It is an honor state that is represented in our sigil of the skill and cog. A man is nothing without Machine and Machine is useless without Man. Thus they are equal in kinship within such a being.+ TalOS propositioned without a hint of satisfaction within his poetic declaration.

+Thus you think there is a second path, where you adopt the machine fully.+ UZ1 guessed with the accuracy of someone who has been with TalOS for some time.

+As the Machine is mighty that is the case.+ TalOS told her with a small shrug, +With these devices no machine will be too cumbersome or too weak for me to use. I can adapt myself to all environments from being the size of a felinid to being the heights of Particep Semper. Even without the God Machine I know that I can build chassis that rival the Knights in their splendor and power.+

+At the risk of your humanity.+ UZ1 pointed out before shrugging, +If the time comes and you have ability the human body might be a form that you can take, but that takes time to develop. That time could have been used perfecting the Crux Mechanicum or the numerous forms that you are soon to take.+

+Thus is my conundrum, for while there is always the chance I go back on either going back will be a waste of time and resources. Certainty must be achieved and thus I speak.+

With that the two discussed their thoughts about the issue, which expanded into nearly the entire month that they were within the flight of the Warp. A decision needed to be reached though.

>Crux Mechanicum
>Your form is but a machine
>Other ideas

I have done my penance, all written in under two hours which is insane.
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>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum
I have shilled this since the beginning.
100% Machine, 100% Human, 200% Holy!
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>>5489247
I suspect this to be the case for many. Hell, I remember the first vote and most said human.
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>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum

USED TO PLAY FOOTBALL BACK IN MY SKARTII DAYS.
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>>5489242
>Your form is but a Machine.

I'm voting too. Even if I lose!
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>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum

Faith stems from Flesh and Purity stems from Steel. One can not and should not be without the other; For Faith without purity leads to the deprevations of the Deviant and Steel without Faith leads to the horros of the past, namely AI.

We must therefore obtain Synthesis: The union and divine harmony between the biological and mechanical. Our body shal be Pure, through the touch of the machine that surrounds it and Faith shall lead and ensure that we walk upon the righteous path of knowledge and understanding.

Through Synthesis; Enlightenment
Through Enlightenment; Faith
Through Faith; Understanding
Through Understanding; Purity
Through Purity; Synthesis

DEUS MECHANICUS
MAY THE BLESSED MACHINE LAST ETERNALLY
MAY OUR PATH BE UNENDING AND OUR SEARCH FRUITFUL
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>>5489250
That's Cheating!

also hilarious XD
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>>5489248
I was one of the one anons that formed the idea together with back-then-nameless SoN through autistic negotiations.
I think we as a playerbase have mellowed down since, we all used to have arguments even while agreeing with eachother.
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>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum
I was always pro flesh so.
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>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum
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I can't wait for fulgrim to be all "So you have finally returned to your senses and reverted your form to original plan." and then we just turn into a puddle of grey goo before reforming into a perfect copy of him.
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>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum
Nanomachines son
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>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum
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>>5489242
>Other Ideas (fold this into an existing vote if it fits them better)
>"The Body is Modular"
>A powerful warform of a mighty machine for battle, interfacing directly with them via our nanites
>But retain the ability for meetings and diplomacy, appear as a man by forming a body of nanomachines in the shape of a man
I'm taking a page from QMs "we can just have modular bodies" because I believe that is the best of both worlds.

We are our Brain, that is the seat that holds the soul. The house we build around it can be whatever we please.

Basically I'd like doors for us to remain open and not lock us out for one or other.
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Also good job on that QM for 2 hours that is very impressive.

>>5489250
Hey QM is >>5489319 workable or is this a one or the other choice? Like when the situation calls for it cant TalOS be able to both form a body of a man out of nanites around his brain, or in other cases just extend nanite connections from himself to become different war machine frames?

Or is it one or only the other
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>>5489329
One or the other. If you look at the update you see my reasoning for exclusion was because it would rob one or the other of their advantages.
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>>5489343
Aw, fine.
Could we at least make our Nanomachine Body taller then? We dont have to have the same dimensions as our short flesh self do we?
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>>5489356
Short shaming?
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>>5489360
The Emperor could have made the Primarchs human sized, but just made them strong like superheroes through warp magic. He did not.
The Emperor could also present himself the size of a normal man, so that people remember him the size of a normal man. He also did not.
Astartes, Thunder Warriors, Custodes all tall.

The Imperium is many things. Shying away from the glory of size is not one of them. Just look at the Phalanx and how it honors the Machine God through its magnificence.
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>>5489165
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>>5489365
TalOS is not short, he is just efficiently compact.
Easier to fit inside machines that way.
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>>5489242
>>Your form is but a machine
Okay listen up. I will give you a STRONG argument to change all your "waa waa we human" votes

>>OUR WAR FORM WILL BE A DRAGON
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>>5489371
Well...as long as even if we go Crux Mechanicum we can still pilot a Telemon right?

I just want TalOS to defend himself and fight in wars as powerful and mighty war frames as first line, and the Nanomachine body is the last line of defense when one has peeled away all else.

The Particeps Sempers Cathedral is big enough to act as a fortress on it's own, its pilot chamber could easily accommodate a telemon dread or knight with a princeps TalOS Crux Mechanicum inside it
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>>5489382
It's more likely to be a knight to be honest.
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>>5489383
Well, if we could fit inside one now, I don't see how being made of nanomachines would stop it.
Unless they don't interact well with other systems or something, but in that case it should also mess with Parcipep Semper, and I don't think QM would take him away from us
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>>5489384
The Telemon dread is the same size as an Armiger but has better stats and is better at melee and weapons iirc. Its beefier and can take more hits.
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>>5489319
>Switch to
>>5489242
>Your form is but a machine
The potential here is greater. Our organs are already infused with Nanomachines that can sheild and regenerate them from severe wounds and that is what matters. That within is synth flesh. But the shell without should be as the scales of a dragon.

If we went with a purely man shaped body, we would fight the Horus Heresy in nearly fair same size as our brothers

And the first rule of war is "Never fight fair"
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Camoooon let's become a huge monster that cannot be approached easely and wreacks havoc in the battlefield while perfectly coordinating its forces. A monster that is shunned by his brothers yet he says it's THEY who are in the wrong becaue this is perfection.

Is this too anime?
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>>5489425
You want us to lose our humanity? 'cause that is how we lose our humanity!
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>>5489425
I've been waiting for this since thread 1, I'll not be blue balled.
>>5489411
TRAITOR
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>>5489427
Well yes... I've been wanting to have a propper bad ending to our story since thread two
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>>5489429
... I don't know what i expected, but an actual traitor amongst our midst was not it.
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>>5489429
Ah, so it's a battle of expectations. May the most autistic win.
If you want some anime looking images, I think Yugioh had a few of robot dragon cards.
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>>5489428
I have incredible mixed feelings and conflicted about this. I want a nanomachi e bod inside layers of progressively stronger bods. I really wish it wasnt a one or the other option.

But low key I just feel if we go Crux that QM will make us fight in our Nanomachine body against our brothers firstline, instead of Russian Doll strategy of successively powerful forms and make them work hard to pry us out of it, then in the nanite bod.

Also TalOS in character seems to want it more.

In any case I think nanite bod will win. For me both options are a win, but I dont want to lock us out of fighting our brothers in a mighty war frame.

It's the fastest way we can achieve some parity when brawling with Russ.
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>>5489436
Come on, we've discussed this already!
The 2nd legion is broken up but all their astartes go in "hiding" as the proto-techmarines and T4L0S is either gone for good, fights the 11th primarch in the anti-warp forever or remains as a virtual, assisting Gullible Man in the 41st millenium, sporting a shity-eating grin while saying "hello again Brother"
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>>5489438
I can understand why you would want that, heck, i think that TalOS would also want that if it didn't carry any risks, but that is just the thing, converting our body into a true Grey Goo form has risks.

One of them is spelled out to us very clearly: if we do this, we risk losing our Humanity, the driving force behind much of what TalOS does and he knows this. I don't think that he would ever willingly choose to risk that most essential part of him, not when he has seen the depredations of xenos that lack that special quality and also not when he has heard from firsthand accounts of things that can't be called human anymore(the warp-infused machines). He knows, quite clearly, what it means to be human and what it means to be a machine, and i simply can not see him ever willingly giving up that quality of his. Enhance it? yes. Augment it? yes! Remove it? Never!
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>>5489445
No
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Oh, can we go and PURGE the fuck out of those warp khronite machines before we go back to Lucius? oh fuck, we've already left. Damn it I wanted some KILLING to be done before going back home...

>Hey, Galath priests, remember that secret you keep?
>Yes, T4L0S D4V1S
>It's gone
>What?
>Very dead. Gone. Blown to bits and pieces. Back to the hell they came from
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>>5489456
I hate agreeing with a literal Tech-Heretic, but yeah, i also want to go and blowup the warp- powered machines and truekill the deamons inside of them.

Better to remove the chance of corruption and be censored by the mechanicus for it, than willingly ignoring it and hoping it goes away.
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>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum *but* we reserve the right to have that body dwell inside larger armors and frames
This should work as a compromise. We wont be doing any sort of felinid shenanigans but I think it still fits SoN idea
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>>5489449
I agree that it's a risk. But it is a risk that others in the 40k setting have overcome. Mortals even, not the iron soul of a Primarch, but simply men.

Humanity is the soul, and if the C'tan are to be believed the soul can be accessed via the Brain. "The Materium-Immaterium interface" organ. I believe this because its behind the entire principle of the Mechanicum. Cut off a mans arm and he is still the same man. Replace his heart, and he is himself. Render all his body down until he is little more than a brain in a servo skull jar of fluid, he is the same man. But replace the brain with a machine, and leave the body intact, there lies great risk.

But Cawl proves it doesnt have to be the same physical brain, that the soul can be transferred from one brain to another. Yes thousands have tried and failed, suffering madness and lunacy. But Cawls master succeeded where others fail, and he retains his soul through different forms for 10,000 years.

Antigonus is the most extreme canon version. His body and brain were destroyed but through the miracle of the Ancients, the STC was able to latch onto his soul in digital form. He remained human, or at least his humanity, and when he returned to Mars he was deemed pure. He served the Machine God and aided in the defeat of a Hellforge and the corrupted Daemon Castigator Titan and its legion. A feat worthy of a saint.

It's risk that others have overcome. Still I dont believe we need go that far. The body can become raw nanites, but a safe bet to retain our humanity is to treat the organic brain as sacred. Infuse and shield it with nanites, but do not dispose of it to become pure grey goo.

Humanity is stored in the brain.
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>>5489242
Crux Mechanicum
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>>5489499
Remember to greentext
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>>5489242
>>5489499
>Crux Mechanicum

>>5489500
Thanks, don't know how I missed it
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>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum
Be more but still human!
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>>5489242
>>Your form is but a machine

Void Dragon, you will have a son soon!
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>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum.

As far as I know the Dragon on Mars has the power to control machines, and we have retards voting for us to be vulnerable to it? These imbeciles want to repeat the events of the normal timeline.

Or worse, there are people wanting to take on a Dragon form, bro the reputation of Space Wolves is already in deep shit because everyone calls them furrys, we don't need the reputation of scalyes.
>>5489382

Seriously, what a shitty idea, to think that just because we are machines we won't be able to be infected by chaos, the Men of Iron are there to disagree, in the end QM is trying to lead us into a trap and there are suckers who fall into it.
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>>5489665
I cant speak of being a literal dragon, that's silly. Although I feel installing a sulphur breath weapon and having actual Metallican lungs to not need to breathe is fine.

But even if we dont become machine, our new Cryptek Powers, our acceptance of "The Voice", and the fact that nano machines are still machines will make us vulnerable to the C'tan anyway. Or rather I'm not particularly seeing where the Nanomachine option gives us more immunity than the other.

The dragon part should definitely be symbolic of our powerful weapons and flight/teleportation, like the salamanders love of fire weapons and their dragonscale armor, not taken too literally.
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>>5489225

"+I concur with your work, I am ready to release.+ TalOS answered UZ1 with a certainty of confirmation.

+Release.+ She ordered, and TalOS did exactly that.

The two of them watched as the gears and chain all tightened around one another. A slight shifting going across all the parts as realignment occurred. There was satisfaction in seeing that, as well as knowing that this was one of the remaining tasks that needed to be done.

+Let us acquire some water and we can continue.+ TalOS said as he sent a message to a nearby servitor.

+I would like that, thanks.+ His fellow Priest answered back with a dose of satisfaction within her voice."

You had benefit of the doubt until Talos got her some water, QM, you horndog. Talos the Bad Dragon.
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>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum
Fells like our faith being tested
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>>5489699
It was very cute and wholesome for them to work together on bringing Land's discovery to life. I hope one day we can see them work together on something that TalOS will have created. That would be truly beautiful.
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>>5489718
>TalOS creates the Triaros
>Do to a mistranslation of Lucian TempleOS script it becomes erroneously documented on Mars as TA1ROS
>People wont stop calling it the "Talros"

>starts to understand how Arkhan Land feels
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I'm sad its looking like no complete scaring of Guilliman.
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>>5489770
We could drop off the mask and show the nanomachines below. Uncanny valley is spooky too, right?
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>>5489772
Most I will be able to do is uncanny valley, as he definatly knows something is wrong.
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>Attempt to hug Guild Man
>He backs off
>Why don't you accept me, brother?
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>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum
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>>5489242
>Crux mechanicum

I want to dab on Fulgrim.

>You've returned to flesh, perfect flesh?! What madness has taken you Talos?
>Oh nothing much *BECOMES A DREADNAUGHT IN AN INSTANT*
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>>5489699
. . . Fuck, I see it.

I didn't get it, and now I do.
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>>5489792
well kek...
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>>5488617
Pic related
>>5489242
>Crux Mechanicum
>>5489774
It'd be kinda funny to turn our skin translucent as a joke, just full blown Body Horror pranks,
Also I'd love to fuck with other Primarchs by making ourselves a single inch taller than them.
Also also, I'd love for Talos to present himself as human at least once.

I also really want to share this enlightenment with our Sons, maybe even upgrade them into something new
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>>5489792
You know what, sure. Not like I wrote it without thinking about innuendos.
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>>5489804
I'll admit sheer size can be done easy enough. It seems when every here thinks of the Nanites they are thinking of these machines completely reconfiguring the body. Best I could describe is TalOS shedding his previous form for a new one using available biomass.

It will be later though, but can be done.
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>>5489804
I think it would be really funny to meet our brothers in the form of alpharius
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>>5489242
>Your form is but a machine
>>5489770
Can't we do what the Iron Hands do and just claim (mostly correctly) that the mechanical armor around our body is a part of us? Even if we go nanomachine, we don't have to display it openly.
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>>5489809
Later I hope we go down the Cron research path and absorb some living metal, so we can just 'feed' them metallic mass as they replicate around the organics. Like how Ferrus still the vestiges of smaller arms beneath his big metal ones.
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>>5489966
Ferrus what?
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>>5489964
Well, poor schmucks will buy whatever you're selling them. Emperor and Malcador are the real problem and they will see right through you and order Russ to get your head.
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>>5489968
Ferrus Manus can feel his real arms beneath his metal ones. He complains they've atrophied a bit.
When Fulgrim makes perfect clones of him, he has real arms not metal ones. Because they are made of Necrodermis which is the Cron's superior version of nanites.
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>>5489242
>Your form is but a machine
Both QM and TalOS themselves seem to really want this, and frightening our brothers with how we are a fucking machine sounds amazing.
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>>5489242
>>Crux Mechanicum

Lets become the goal other Tech priests will only dream of, the perfect balance.
Ironically it would also help in our job as an 'ambassador' to the imperium and our brothers, the living embodiment of the treaty of olympus.
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>>5489242
>Your form is but a machine
I know this will lose but I vote for it just for the sheer nightmare fuel that TalOS would become to just about everybody
outside of the Mechanicum and Void Dragon.
We would be the endpoint of the Emperor's idea of a humanity free of the dangers of the Warp, too bad he refuses to see that the Warp in itself is a problem.
We would give the Primarchs transhumanist dread, forcing Fulgrim to face a being greater and more terrible than what his creator made.
We would be a wildcard to the Aeldari, the beyond humie to the Orks, un-Nommable to the Tyranids and a dark mirror to the Necrons.
We would be the peak of the Mechanicus, a lonely peak, but one who would pierce the heavens.
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>>5489242
>Your form is but a machine
Don't care if it wins or not, I just cannot in good conscience vote against the ability to become a Titan at will.
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>>5489242
Short spread to get an idea, totally not biased, but counted correctly (as far as i know)
Glorious Crux Mechanicum!
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>>5489259
>>5489261
>>5489273
>>5489292
>>5489478 (with additions)
>>5489503
>>5489557
>>5489665
>>5489700
>>5489785
>>5489788
>>5489804
>>5489993


Your Form is but a machine! (booo)
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>>5490015
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>>5489586
>>5489411
>>5489382
>>5489250 (boo!)... Wait what is even boad policy for this?!
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>>5490035
... memo to me, don't (you) every voter next time
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>>5489242
>>Crux Mechanicum
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>>5490035
I see a lot of heretics on that list...
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>>5490053
I want to to out-titan Magnus, imagine him trying to supplex Particeps Semper only for us to get out and get out and uppercut him.
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>>5490035
I wonder, if I made human part of this vote, how many of you would actually vote for that. A lot I reckon.
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>>5490070
We generally should avoid fighting our brothers without first using the Particeps Semper anyway
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>>5490115
You marketed the Crux Mechanicus as the holy option. They should both be interpreted as holy forms.
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>>5489242#
>Your form is but a machine
Gonna throw my hat in there too I guess
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>>5490124
I don't know if you were here at the start. Our first vote of this kind everyone voted to stay human. So I don't need to speculate because its happened before.
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>>5490130
I was here at the start.
you still have a chance if you let TalOS go on the necrodermis upgrade path when it's time for the necron investigation chapter. See how many people will reject that opportunity or accept.
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>>5490144
The plan, since it looks like no robot priest yet.
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>>5490144
would upgrading our Nanomachines by making them out of necrodermis actually do anything?
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>>5490152
yes

As advanced as necron tech is to human dark age tech, so too is necron nanites to human nanites. Necron blades are sharpened at the molecular level.
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>>5490152
Nanites are basically a false form of Necrodermis. Necrodermis is better in almost everyway.
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>>5490152
Yeah, but we would still refuse to lose our humanity.
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>>5490205
I have faith in TalOS strength of soul and character to retain his humanity.

Mortals have faced far harder challenges, and retained theres.
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>>5489242
>Your form is but a machine
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>>5489242
>Your form is but a machine
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Everyone and their granny has a monomolecular blade so whatever
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>>5490462
Necrodermis channels the holy quantum energies of the Machine God's blessed material realm better.
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The two of them were silent for a moment as thoughts went between each other. Ideas were the foundation of reasoning, the same as reasoning was the foundation of comprehension.

Which was to hold to more, an ideal or transformation. To become the Crux Mechanicum was something that few Priests would find honor in, which so many others would see as the apex of existence. Still others would accept the state of TalOS as a true machine, something so close to the Machine God that it would be foolish not to see him as one of its Prophets.

+The greatest of our people are not the mega-machines that roam the planets of Mars.+ UZ1 placed forward as she began her speech, +They are too zealous to be practical. They are not our greatest masters and explorers in the galaxy. Those who are truly that are people like Arkhan. Thus, to become like a Machine is not a demonstration of comprehension but veneration of vanity.+

+Vanity of Mechanization, to become so much like the machines that you control that you simply become one yourself.+ TalOS pressed forward with ideas and thoughts already forming within his powerful mind.

UZ1 gave a nod to those words before she spoke, +I had heard tales of Priests who were the sizes of workshops and those who had become like the Knights that serve Lucius. But they do not leave their homes and instead wallow in continued development. What I see are people like you or I, those who have kept the form of man and continue to strive for the will of man.+

+It was the Machine God who chose mankind, not the Machines who mankind ruled upon.+ TalOS said with an illusion towards the men of Iron who attempted to destroy all that had existed.

+He has and will continue to do so.+ UZ1 declared with a firm nod of understanding, +When shall we get started?+

+Right now.+ TalOS said as he picked up the bottle of blackened matter, +Get me growth vats and a few servitors. I will need to get some converted biomass to prepare my regeneration from machine back to man.+

+It shall be done.+ UZ1 said as she sent a series of requests to the Ship’s storage.
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Time went by and development was had. The Imperium grew accustomed to the new Primarch being among them with news of another Primarch soon to be found quickly hitting the psycho-communication lines. Word was that one of the few Warp Storms in the region were sealing off the Primarch from his eventual release.

The Federation continued along as well. Expansion into the either uncivilized or barely claimed systems was enough to occupy its forces as the true leader of their operations had himself extremely busy.

For indeed TalOS was. In the middle of building new worlds TalOS was able to reap the numerous rewards from the foodstuff created by the already built worlds. Words came that Noble Families who had moved to the worlds have roughly five children each with the chance of infant mortality nearly zero. Thus the future was bright as the Knights of Dutonis are looking to at least triple within the coming years.

As for TalOS’s research into the Nano-Machines given to him by the Micro-Omnissiah Cult, he was quickly able to start regrow his arm and skin. Grafted upon his form TalOS took the Nano-Machine and began modifying them for protection.

When TalOS is hit, they will harden.

When TalOS is in space, they will insulate.

When TalOS strikes, they will strengthen.

And lastly, when he is harmed, they will heal.

Though basic as of now they will only grow in both power and ability as TalOS learns more and more about them. Once he masters them within his body the future of bringing it to his sons is obvious. Though that may be many years in the future it can surely be done.

Time was what TalOS had now. He can wait.

I am ending the thread here with Guilliman coming soon. I know the thread is on page 9 but I need a day or two and I will be coming back to what I was hoping for a while.
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Good stuff QM, thanks.

Also fuck yeah, here' comes the most based Empire builder bro of them all, our true spiritual brother of logistics and supply. Maybe now, at last, we can have long and comfy discussions about the Federation with him.

We should also prep a massive supply fleet to do Bob a good favor in getting his realm started too.
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>>5490483
>he was quickly able to start regrow his arm and skin
didn't we keep our arm in statis so if we ever wanted to go back to flesh we could easily reattach it. we don't need to grow a new one.
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>>5490526
Can save that in case we need to regrow an entire new body to house our brain, in the event of emergency escape
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>>5490527
Great, now i have an image of TaL0S opening his skull and his brain strapped into an ejection seat being catapulted into the atmosphere in my head.
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>>5490483
Until later QM.
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>>5490788
Why not a teleporter?
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>>5490798
It was the term 'emergency escape' that conjured up and ejection seat.

Tbf, that seat could also work via teleporter anyway
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>>5490788
Nonsense. Should an enemy be so lucky or skilled as to somehow actually put TalOS body at risk away from his Steel Defenders (say, pinning us down to cut off our head or blast us with a huge blast of energy) and our primary Lucian Flare is disabled, the tiny one embedded in our grey matter is what will be left for us to port into the nearest ship and make good our retreat. Leaving our enemy believing they have won over our dead body which can either be recovered or destroyed from orbit to prevent others from salvaging it.
>>5490798
QM gets it

>>5490802
>Particeps Semper is destroyed, the Telemon teleports out of it to fight
>The Telemon is destroyed, TalOS Davis in his nanite body and artificer armor teleports out to fight
>TalOS himself is at bodily risk and danger, the last escape is tapped

Just as the Orks damaged Lucius badly, it was rebuilt stronger than it ever was before. We've built our body up before, we can build it again.

That being said, you would be hard pressed to catch TalOS anywhere without always being nearby his Steel Defenders, teleport teams on standby, and at least three dozen hidden Tarantula Melta-Turrets in the walls ceiling in any ship or building of his. He wouldn't be lulled like Roboute or Ferrus when they got sucker punched.
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steel wardens
Thanks for the quest, QM. Great read. And wow we almost 2k replies, that's very wow
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>>5490842
Nano didn't you draw an image of TalOS pre-armoring and dearmoring? Can I get that image again?
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>>5491352
I'll have to find it. I didn't stay organized. I'll just post what I can find.

TalOS proportions inside his armor
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>>5491509
Those are the old mechadendrites btw, since you wanted to move away from tendril style and more servo arm style.

TalOS in case you wanted more Colossus style metal skin.
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Most recent TalOS in his armor with better portioned new arms. Haven't gotten to his face.
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>>5491509
"I'll get you next time Spider-man!"
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If we're replacing our body with nanites, why not simply store the original in stasis with our arm?
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>>5491871
see >>5489809
IIRC we are not (currently) replacing our body with nanites, nor are we completely rearranging it even. Rather our organic body seems like it's just going to have a lot of nanites that provide boons such as enhanced durability, stimulated cellular regeneration, etc. I wager it is very much akin to senator armstrong.

"TalOS shedding his previous form for a new one using available biomass"

Upshot of this is I suppose, being able to feel with our skin and flesh for what that is worth, and still resembling our original Primarch flesh form.

At a later time if I am reading QM right, there could be more options for restructuring of our body with even more nanites. But honestly by that time I hope we just have dove deep into the Necron Living Metal path to become like Ferrus except not limited to the arms.
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>>5491899
I want to get into necrodermis, see if we can mix nanomachimes and blackstone into it.
The Necros kept complying about losing their soul and the transfer process. TalOS will call them faithless and go even further beyond.
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>>5491908
As far as I care, Necrodermis is necron Nanites in all but name.

My philosophy is that as long as we have our brain (or at least a brain), we have our Humanity and our Soul, whatever form our body takes.

More the so, even supposing we somehow lose our original brain, there are still examples of ways to maintain our humanity and our soul even then though I'd avoid that. The greatest risk is the authentic necron process of bio transferrence itself, because the novels show directly that's when the C'tan eat the soul and leave behind only consciousness if the Necron is lucky and strong willed.

I'm not convinced that simply because we dispense with our flesh body to inhabit machine forms, we were at an intolerable risk of losing our humanity. Many techpriests have been reduced to naught but a brain surrounded by a robotic body, and many probably in our service, but they are still inherently human.

As for Blackstone, not a bad idea. Though, the Necron method is to have powerful anti-warp field generators rather than soley relying on blackstone in the body. Remember that in its natural state blackstone polarity can be reversed, we've seen the Emperor do it to our little pendant and we did it to the blackstone Fortress, so its much more effective when the Necrons negatively charge it. Plus having some Null Nobilites around isn't a bad idea too.
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>>5491917
I don't disagree with your assesment of brain and soul, but retaining our humanity might be a bit more troublesome so to speak.
Imo its about interacting with humans, or humanoids as well as the physical ankor, people do go crazy and get some really weird ideas when isolated for to long. All i am saying is, losing UZ1 might make us lose our humanity much easier/faster and not just over the loss itself.
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The thing about humanity is the ability to see ourselves as human and see other as humans. The emperor for example might love humanity, but if we consider how he treats the singular and how he must view himself... that ship departed long ago

So T4L0S might not be too far away from daddy if we think how he sees and uses the average serf or how servitors are... not sure really. Corpses? No, they live and their organics are integral to the servitor's function. Dehumanized people yadda yadda. My argument is that what keeps T4L0S in check is his religion, because the cult places great emphasis in being human and retaining the humanoid form despite mutilating oneself into what is perfect
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>>5492048
And so the vote we had here was an axis of T4L0S beliefs for the rest of his life.
>Your form is but a machine
Retaining something that looks humanoid is something all tech priest dominus Magos Deviant Mc Building and going astray from that would have been quite the division in the mechanicum. Not right now, but over the years more and more adepts would share T4L0S TH3 DR4G0N's point of view.
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>>5492021
I agree that losing UZ1 is probably a lot more detrimental to losing our body in regards to our humanity. Still, as absolutely devastating as it is to lose our beloved, we still have our faith. And even other Primarchs have had to deal with loss. Consider Guilliman and his mother.

>people do go crazy and get some really weird ideas when isolated for to long
That's the thing about 40k. The characters you see tend to be one in a million, or perhaps one in a billion in terms of raw determination and willpower. Techpriests are not only the intellectual but the spiritual and disciplined elite. It takes a considerable amount of willpower to be a brain in a jar with a body for thousands of years, even more so people like Antigonus who had no body for thousands of years.

Willpower, and faith to last the ages. How much more the faith of a Primarch?

>>5492048
>So T4L0S might not be too far away from daddy if we think how he sees and uses the average serf or how servitors are...
Tbh we're kind of already there. The prosperity and devotion to humanity is a primary goal. The individual human is, well, a number and a statistic.

Yes we want to raies the overall standard of living. But in the grand scheme of things, every single one of our brothers will agree, an individual human life has a calculable value. It's just some hold that value a bit differently than others (Vulkan v Perturabo)

>>5492051
>Retaining something that looks humanoid is something all tech priest do
Hardly.

Some techpriests look like walking metal octopuses with brains. While it is common for many of them to retain a human form, many others also just dispense with it entirely and it is in fact a goal that some see as holy and work very hard to achieve.

Artists just tend to draw the ones that look humanoid because it's easier.

Pic related could easily be a well respected techpriest, all it needs is red robes, omnisian axe, some purity seals, a servo skull and a cog mechanicum.
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>>5492488
Trying to find the exact quote from a book where a techpriest describes that dispensing with the human form to be pure machine in all but brain is a goal.

in any case, another example of TalOS empathy towards humans could be this.
>The Average Servitor has the parts of the brain that register pain cut out
>Thallaxi instead, have agonizers in place to cause agony as part of important function
>Those who are good citizens, who have served well, who are either mortally wounded or too old to effectively function or perhaps whose crimes are light as part of a penal brigade seeking redemption can become regular combat or industrial servitors as a great honour for the menials and peasants. Earning yet more honour and piety in the battlefields and factories
>Thallaxii are reserved only for the worst of the worst, those whose crimes are heinous like Cell-Draining

A more apathetic Primarch wouldn't care about that sort of thing, someone like Pert or Curze
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