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Sing, goddess, the glory of Nikandros Hippomedion, who journeys far from home alongside famed companions to entreat Ilion’s sacred citadel. Sing of the wrath of Menelaus, of the folly of Paris, of Zeus’s plan which even now comes to fulfillment…
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The order came – “Silence!” – and the frightened globe fell still.
Lofty Jove began (and his hallowed speech has a grave,
immutable weight, and Destiny follows close on his word):
“I complain of Earth’s offenses, of human nature
that craves ever more revenge. Must all my efforts go
to punish guilty men? It’s exhausting to vent my rage
with the glittering bolt, the Cyclopes’ overworked arms gave out
long ago, and Aeolian forge fires flicker and fade.
I did allow an imposter to drive the Sun’s horses
once – they ran wild, the sky caught fire as wheels careened,
and the world was smutched with the ashes that had been Phaëthon;
nothing achieved then – and nothing when you, Brother, shook your
sturdy trident and flooded forbidden land far and wide.
this time, I descend to punish a pair of houses
I founded myself; the one branches off through Persean
Argos, the other flows from the source – Aonian Thebes.”

“Human nature! It never changes. Who doesn’t know
the deaths Cadmus caused, the troop of Furies so often
called from the Pit to do battle, depraved maternal delights,
fanatics roaming the forests, divine crimes that must be hushed up?
Scarce in the space of a day, scarce in that of a passing night
could I tally the times this race has shown its knack for sin.

this man – the impious heir – even hungered to clamber
into his father’s bed and defile his innocent mother’s
womb, to thrust his way – monstrous! – back to his own begetting;
still, he’s paid Gods Above eternal atonement – light
cast aside, he now no longer feeds on our air.
But his sons---! Crime without precedent! They’ve ground his fallen
eyeballs under their heels. Now at last your prayers are answered,
you grim old man! Your darkness has earned, yes, earned you the right
to hope Jove will avenge you. I’ll embroil the guilty
realm in fresh hostilities --- I’ll pull up the whole
deadly race by the roots!
Let Adrastus as father-in-law,
let his daughter joined in ill-omened wedlock serve me
as seeds of war.

It is further decreed that the clan
of Tantalus too shall incur punishment, for, deep within
my breast, that traitor’s savage banquet rankles yet.”


-Zeus Ὑπατος, before the Seven marched against Thebes
Statius’ Thebaid, Book 1
Translation by Jane Wilson Joyce
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[bold]LESCHES’ NOTES[/bold]

A word of explanation – this is Homer’s quest, and I am not him.

I deeply enjoyed Total War Quest as one of his players, and I was heartbroken to see it go. In fact, I was so heartbroken, I ran myself through a crash course in ancient Greek myth, read the Iliad and the Odyssey, Hesiod’s Theogeny/Works and Days, and am chewing into Jane Wilson Joyce’s excellent translation of Statius’ Thebaid. In the process, I ran a spin-off quest about Deianira Hippomedion, Nikon’s sister, set in the Trojan War Quest universe to build my expertise in QMing. In short – I’m serious about restarting TWQ and doing the best job that I can, even if I am not a trained classicist like Homer.

At any rate – I plan to run Trojan War Quest intermittently, unless Homer returns to deliver a “cease and desist”, Nikandros dies in his quest for eternal glory, or Nikandros successfully survives until the end of the Trojan War.

This quest is likely to garner several trolls and dedicated shitposters – responding to trolls only encourages them further – so resist the urge if you can. If you feel the need to provide these barbaroi with (YOU)s, I suggest a variation of the following phrase:

>“THANK YOU FOR BUMPING TWQ, STRONG-GREAVED ANON”

or perhaps

>“FLOWING-HAIRED ANON, WHAT WORD HAS ESCAPED THE BARRIER OF YOUR TEETH?”

[bold]VOTING REQUIREMENTS[/bold]

One-post ID votes will be ignored, unless they back-link their previous posts, to claim them for identification.

Players must “register” by posting within the thread within 48 hours of thread creation; only “registered” posters will have valid votes.

Players who miss initial “registration” window may choose to provide six lines of original poetry in Homeric style OR an original TWQ meme of high quality to register.

I reserve the right to call upon suspicious voters to verify themselves in a manner I deem fit.
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Recommended Reading:

Trojan War Quest #1: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5579585/
Trojan War Quest #2: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5610431/

Optional Reading:
Trojan War Quest: Deianira’s Sidestory #1: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5644134/
Trojan War Quest: Deainira's Sidestory #2: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5687242/
Trojan War Quest: Deainira's Sidestory #2.1: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5725902/
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Nikandros (Νίκων)

Level Two

Height: 6’10”

Kleos: You’re almost famous! +0 to Kleos checks. Deeds below.

Major:
• Petteia Champion of Skyros, He Who Found Achilles (+5)

Minor:
• Royal Guard Rectifier, Revealer of Mediocrity (+1)

Timae: That of a typical impoverished country lord. -5 to Timae checks. Riches below.

• Mycenean Chariot: Courtesy of Electra.
• Ancestral Arms and Armor: Bronze Panoplia, Spear, Sword, Shield, all of Royal Quality.

STATS

Strength- (18/24) (+6)
Agility- (13/20) (+1)
Constitution- (14/24) (+2)
Willpower- (12/20)(-2) (+0)
Intelligence- (17/24)(-2) (+3)
Charisma- (11/20)(-2) (+0)

Regional Alignment: Thessalian (+3 STR, +3 AGI)

Epithets:

• Bouleeis: Of good counsel (from Military Genius)

Traits:

• Dutiful: You get an extra stat point per level.

• Military Genius: +6 INT, +4 INT cap, +4 skill at relevant matters. Creative military write-ins can be accepted. Previously known as Tactical Genius.

• Giant: 4 to STR/STR cap, as well as +4 to CON/CON cap.

• Disfavored of the Rivers: -1 AGI, -1 STR, -1 CON. 1 automatic failure per thread on rolls pertaining to these deities’ interests: these are understood to be divine intercession IC. -3 when interacting with all aquatic daemons. This trait may be later upgraded to Enmity.

• Fresh Olympian Blood: +1 to all stats, regenerate 2 health per turn of combat. +3 when interacting with daemons. You can see and talk to supernatural entities without assistance.

• Sympathy: +2 to social rolls with suffering persons, may later upgrade to Empathy.

STATUS

HP- (10/10)

• Concussed: For a limited time, you suffer a -2 to all social stats.

Skills:

• Petteia: +4 to the game. (Military Genius)
• Command: +4 when commanding your troops personally in battle. (Military Genius)
• Sympathetic: +2 when interacting with suffering persons. (Sympathy)
• Divine Aura: +3 when interacting with daemons. (FOB)
• River Gossip: -3 when interacting with aquatic daemons (DotR)
• Divine Regeneration: Heal 2 health per combat turn (FOB)
• More skills to be uncovered as circumstances and traits necessitate.

Inventory:

• Two charges of Nepenthe, a potent drug. Purgation of all sadness, all grief, and more importantly, any curse of the psyche. Worth a kingly sum.
• Ancestral Armor: +2 to wound rolls
• Ancestral Shield: +1 to wound rolls
• Spear: 1d5 + Str + Spearplay damage
• Sword: 1d5 + Str + Swordplay damage, -2 to hit against a spear user, -2 to wound against a shield user.
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Your Forces Presently not with you

• Second In Command: Argyros, veteran of the Second Argo-Theban war. An experienced campaigner who is utterly devoted to your family. He can be trusted to command the men in your stead but is a commoner in every other sense. When he is independently commanding your troops, they receive a +3 bonus in combat and another die. His bonus (but not the die) adds to yours when you directly command.

• First Platoon: Your House troops, fifty picked men from your home estates. Exceedingly well trained, experienced, loyal, and high morale: some of the best troops in the whole Hellenic Expedition. However, poorly armed in rural Hellenic style: smallish wooden shields with leather overlay, linothorax armor, no helmets, short spears. (Tier Three Troops: +1 for Thessalian, +1 for Argyros, +1 for Military Genius. +0 equipment bonus in fighting.)
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Ajax opens the assembly.

“Gentlemen, we have four unknown ships sailing towards us. We must assume they are pirates, and act accordingly. Any objections?” Castor speaks up.

“Lord Ajax, how can you be sure they are pirates? To my eyes, they appear merchantmen all.” Teukros responds on his brother’s behalf.

“Lord Castor, merchants do not sail in packs typically. And those who do, would not fan out in a formation designed to deny us any easy way around them.” This strikes you as odd, and you say so.

“And why can we not avoid them? If they are merchant ships crewed by pirates, they should have no shot at catching our galley with our crew.” Ajax responds.
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“Because Nikandros, the island is leeward of us. To keep something even approximating our current heading while avoiding the formation ahead of us would require us to row into the wind- which, even should we take down the sails, would still render us easy to catch.” You suppose you cannot contest that. Pollux then speaks up.

“In that case, we should take the initiative and attack. If we maneuver correctly it should be possible to take one of the merchantmen in the side with a ram, no?” Teukros gives immediate reply.

“In theory, yes- however, if we do not extricate ourselves from the stricken ship fast enough her sisters will be able to surround us. It would be a treacherous action.” This brings to mind an anecdote of Pollux’s about a naval action where the Argo successfully made off with gold of an entire tribe through interdiction. You give voice to your idea.

“Then why ram the ship at all? We could use our superior speed to get into boarding position, and our superior manpower to quickly slaughter the pirates.” Pollux nods at this and voices support for the idea. Thus far silent, Andocides speaks up.

“My lord, such an action is not without its own risks. We could get stuck to the pirate ship by accident and there will be losses to the crew if the pirates manage to pose a meaningful defense. A good ram does not present those risks- in the straits my ship sunk five Heraclid ships in just that way.” Castor speaks again.

“And simply turning around to avoid them presents no risks at all aside from a minor delay. You all forget that the Spartan vessel is just behind us- they do not have nearly the same experience in ramming or the same faculty in marine actions as we do. We must keep them in mind.”

>cont
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With this, Ajax speaks up again.

“In any case gentlemen, we must decide on a course of action now. As captain I’ve the final say, but I’d like to hear your final counsel.”

>How exciting, the first military council of the quest! Here’s how they work: in all cases someone (normally on the basis of status in the hierarchy of nobles) will be in overall command. That man will generally have to listen to the majority suggestion of his council of war, although he is not required to by anything other than custom. Lesches Note: This vote will close at 9pm EST tomorrow night.

>You, when a voting member, can choose to support an action- this may convince your friends and allies to take your side just because it’s yours. You will also have the option to try and convince others to take your side after choosing a stance. Choose wisely…

>Pollux has the right of it about ramming a target of opportunity- support his proposal to initiate combat with the pirates. (Pollux and Andocides favor this approach while Teukros disapproves. Castor's stance is uncertain.)

>You still think that your suggestion of a boarding operation is the best way to initiate hostilities. (Pollux approves, Andocides disapproves, and you don't know about Castor or Teukros.)

>Castor may be right about turning around to avoid the fight in the name of your less-able compatriots; you’ll support him. (Castor favors this, Pollux and Andocides likely do not, and you don't know about Teukros.)

>Abstain: you have no firm opinion on the right course at sea, which is not your expertise.
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>>5742371
It's been so long, I've forgotten which option I had voted for.
>Pollux has the right of it about ramming a target of opportunity- support his proposal to initiate combat with the pirates. (Pollux and Andocides favor this approach while Teukros disapproves. Castor's stance is uncertain.)
I'll go for this I guess.
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>>5742371
>Abstain: you have no firm opinion on the right course at sea, which is not your expertise.
>A word of explanation – this is Homer’s quest, and I am not him
aw
>I ran a spin-off quest about Deianira Hippomedion
ναι, σκύλα!! Nice for you to take over
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>>5742371
>>You still think that your suggestion of a boarding operation is the best way to initiate hostilities. (Pollux approves, Andocides disapproves, and you don't know about Castor or Teukros.)
Gimme your shit, pirates.

Also it may be worth noting, Silver-tongued Odysseus is on the other ship. And he is a renowned captain and marine himself, hailing as he does from Ithaca. Though the men on the ship may not be mariners, they will not be without good counsel.
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>>5742371
>Pollux has the right of it about ramming a target of opportunity- support his proposal to initiate combat with the pirates. (Pollux and Andocides favor this approach while Teukros disapproves. Castor's stance is uncertain.)

Glad you're taking over, though I still hope Homer comes back one day.
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>>5742371
>Abstain: you have no firm opinion on the right course at sea, which is not your expertise.
Finally, been waiting on this since you started Deianira's side story.
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If only there was a significant number of rocks aboard
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>>5742371
>Pollux has the right of it about ramming a target of opportunity- support his proposal to initiate combat with the pirates. (Pollux and Andocides favor this approach while Teukros disapproves. Castor's stance is uncertain.)
If we ram one enemy ship is almost certainly to sink, then it is a matter of holding on against the enemy as the spartans arrive to reinforce.
Which will turn the battle in our favour as the allies are better fighters than sailors and won't have to do fancy manouvers, just sail up and board the enemy.

>>5742392
Odysseus may not be given the command of the ship as it is not his.
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>>5742446
He is silver-tongued for a reason. I'm sure he can convince the captain, or Menelaus to give him the helm. And even if he isn't given outright command, they'd still be fools not to heed his advice.
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Reserving a spot for shitposting I guess.
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>>5742371
>Pollux has the right of it about ramming a target of opportunity- support his proposal to initiate combat with the pirates. (Pollux and Andocides favor this approach while Teukros disapproves. Castor's stance is uncertain.)
RAMMING SPEED, I still miss Homer but I'm glad you've picked up the torch
>>5742431
I mean, pottery is really just man-made rocks and I'm sure we have an amphora or two aboard
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>>5742371

>You still think that your suggestion of a boarding operation is the best way to initiate hostilities. (Pollux approves, Andocides disapproves, and you don't know about Castor or Teukros.)

"Since victor of thy fears, and slighting mine,
Heaven, or thy soul, inspires this bold design"
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>>5742371
>Pollux has the right of it about ramming a target of opportunity- support his proposal to initiate combat with the pirates. (Pollux and Andocides favor this approach while Teukros disapproves. Castor's stance is uncertain.)
We are much faster than them, if we can ram and deal with one ship quick enough, we can probably scare one or two off.
Nobody wants their remains to be condemned to the sea after all, eternal limbo.
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>>5742392
>>5742446
>>5742455

Nikon can reasonably assume that Pollux will be advising Ajax and similarly, Odysseus will be advising Agamemnon. These men are sailors of myth and legend, Ajax and Agamemnon can and will heed their advice!

I’ve worked out a system where a ship captain does receive a fraction of the command/sailing bonus of a friendly hero on board (although only if the hero has relevant traits, and not both at once)
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>>5742371
>>You still think that your suggestion of a boarding operation is the best way to initiate hostilities. (Pollux approves, Andocides disapproves, and you don't know about Castor or Teukros.)
we didn't take military genius just so we can listen to brainlets
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>>5742502
I didn't think Agamemnon was on the expedition but I may be misremembering. I thought he sent his brother to do the pre-war negotiations.
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>>5742371
>You still think that your suggestion of a boarding operation is the best way to initiate hostilities. (Pollux approves, Andocides disapproves, and you don't know about Castor or Teukros.)
Let's see how this goes. I hope our concussion clears up by the time we reach Troy.
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>>5742549
Ya, I'm pretty sure the high king is supposed to be chilling at his palace right now...unless he cloned himself
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>>5742549
>>5742582

Honest typo on my parts lad - my brain thought Menelaus but my thumbs typed Agamemnon, my apologies. I’ll post the ship sheets for each vessel when I get home tonight for a refresher.

As a general rule, I’m trying quite hard to maintain the canon of TWQ, so please notify me promptly if you spot inaccuracies!
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>a quick reminder for everyone who doesn't want to dig through archived thread

Ship of Spartans

Heroic Crew: Menelaus, Odysseus, Palamedes. Mariner bonus from Odysseus.

Sailing Crew: Spartan Soldiers (Well-equipped and experienced spearmen, but average sailors)


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Ship of Warriors

Heroic Crew: Ajax, Teukros, Castor, Pollux, Nikandros. Mariner bonus from Pollux.

Sailing Crew: Elite Salaminian Soldiers. (Well-equipped and experienced marines, but truly phenomenal sailors)
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So we have an overall +6 to Kleos from our deeds? Wouldn't that put us at +1 Kleos as we started with -5 Kleos?

Also, uh, Lesches misspelled Deianira as Deainira in the option reading.
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>>5742693
wait nvm, I forgot that we got yelled at by geriatric kings
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>>5742700
Calling Nikon "the young" as a backwards way of saying "foolish" or "yelled at by his seniors". I wonder what nicknames and epitaphs we'll pick up along the way.
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>>5742371
>You still think that your suggestion of a boarding operation is the best way to initiate hostilities. (Pollux approves, Andocides disapproves, and you don't know about Castor or Teukros.)

"Here again, came Many-Fisted
Nikandros. Rising from the
briney foam!"

Not sure if I did that right. Hail Lesches! I'm flattered you used one of my shitty AI images! I mean no offense, but I didn't really have any interest in the Woman Quest.
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>>5742371
>Pollux has the right of it about ramming a target of opportunity- support his proposal to initiate combat with the pirates. (Pollux and Andocides favor this approach while Teukros disapproves. Castor's stance is uncertain.)
Ram is like rock, must smash.
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RAM THEM!

>>5742380
>>5742417
>>5742446
>>5742464
>>5742498
>>5742509
>>5742965

Abstain

>>5742386
>>5742424

swashbucklin'

>>5742392
>>5742471
>>5742577
>>5742881

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Seeing as we've had no new votes for the day and there's a clear frontrunner, closing vote now!

I don't think I fucked up the count, but in general, never hesitate to let me know if I've gotten it wrong.
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As the men discuss the plan of battle, seated upon the stern deck, you listen to the relative merits of each approach; your mind, cloudy from the head blow you received from the best of the Epigoni, is nonetheless able to eagerly digest their statements… A new world of warfare is becoming known to you, and you are thrilled at the prospect of an unexplored arena for your talents! Stories of naval action previously told to you by Pollux take on new meaning, and you look upon your ship’s rigging, sails, keel, deck and rowing benches with fresh eyes - these now represent elements of your battlefield.

You rapidly invent and discard a variety of scenarios for ship defense that the Salaminians might possibly employ, as you turn to watch them rowing below you – the ship itself provides some natural elements of defense, you realize – the external walls of the ship rise above the deck by two or three cubits, and men crouching, shield on the shoulder, may be able to shelter in relative safety from thrown missiles from another vessel side-by-side. However, you see how a boarding action could become a bloody enterprise – the galley deck itself is narrow – combatants would need advance or retreat along the central axis, or instead risk an awkward, shambling advance over the rowing benches – all the while, they’d be exposed to deadly javelins and arrows from above, from the elevated stern and fore-decks. Studding the deck itself, trapdoors provide access to the storage chambers below, although for a man of your size, it would be difficult to move quickly amongst the bound amphora and other sundries there. You wonder how many men might be able to hide underneath or where the trapdoors could -

“Young Nikandros – what say you?” – Ajax asks, interrupting your train of thought. He leans forward – bearded face stern and framed with curly hair, pale eyes alight with interest. The conversation around you dies down. “What does the champion of Skyros have to contribute to our plans? Let me see if you are well-named, Nikandros Bouleeis!” Ajax announces, with a wry look in his eye – he is clearly poking fun at you – but no matter, he will learn of your true value in time.

“I concur with the recommendation of both Pollux and Andocides, who are my betters at sea; it would seem best to ram the enemy ship to begin the strong encounter – we are outnumbered, yes, but we must reason that these pirates do not have access to sailors of comparable mastery to Pollux –“ here, you nod politely at the blonde boxer, who returns the favor, “- and Odysseus. We can quickly gain advantage in this way.”

The other men of the expedition make their votes known: Andocides, Pollux and yourself in favor of ramming. Pollux sends a meaningful glance to Castor, and you sense that much is communicated between the brothers in an instant.

>cont
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Castor, frowning in consideration, states:

“Evasion of an enemy is preferred, when possible, but perhaps we cannot avoid it, with the wind driving us together – these sea raiders are unlikely to respond to our entreaties. Thus forced, we strike hard and fast with a ram, and extinguish this conflict swiftly.”

All aboard the stern deck then turn to Teukros, sitting beside you, who seems a bit anxious under the combined attentions of his elder brother and the Dioscuri. He quickly realizes that even should he vote against ramming, he is outnumbered. He nods his head in recognition of this, and he calmly states, “I abstain, Lord Ajax – instead place me and my bow where I can be best utilized.” Clearly - he would rather not vote than create dissension amongst the council, a humble gesture on his part. He finishes his statement with a nod, but you catch something muttered upon his breath as all heads turn to Ajax - laat me schieten en klaar ermee.

Ajax, regarding you all as a group and extending his thickly-muscled arms widely, says cheerfully:

“Then it is unanimous! I happen to favor a ramming attack as well – a boarding action would risk the isolation of our companions and combat on unfavorable terms for Menelaus...Although it is a shame – whatever wealth is present amongst the pirates’ hold will likely be lost under the waves.” He stands, and you’re once again surprised at his height – he is one of the very few men you’ve ever met with a height and build similar to your own. His booming voice echoes out over the water, and in response, the Salaminians produce their arms and armor. Rather than bronze panoplia, which would be prohibitively expensive and impractically-heavy for those who expect to inevitably receive the briny embrace of Ποντος, they favor double-layered linothorax jerkins, and broad wooden shields braced with a double-layer of ox-hide. As for armaments, they use bronze-tipped spears that are somewhat shorter than you are used to, and knives of bronze. In short, they are agile, dangerous and well-equipped for the cramped combat of naval combat, and would probably make for fearsome skirmishers and ambushers on land. Finally, you see several Salaminians using ropes to draw up a crimson flag on the rope line (a forestay, you later learn) between the mast and the fore-deck – Ajax is communicating to Menelaus, you understand, and turning, you see that the ship of Spartans have raised their own flags of communication: red and blue.

>cont
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>>5743544
I vote to board the Spartans and rape Menelaus
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>>5743544

You’re eager to ask Ajax of their meaning, but see that you don’t have the time – the hostile vessels are rapidly growing larger on the horizon, and your crewmates are busily donning their bronze in preparation for combat. You take their cue, and with the help of some Salaminians amidships, rapidly equip your own polished panoplia, complete with horse-hair crested helm.

>Nikon is now fully armed and ready for combat!

You see Teukros join his brother upon the stern-deck, shieldless and carrying his bow. Ajax himself has taken the keel personally, angling the galley towards the southern-most hostile vessel, farthest from the coast of Syros. Pollux and Castor take their places amongst the foredeck of the ship, to repel any boarders who might attempt the ascent of the bow-steps or to leap into the ship itself - Pollux with spear and shield, and Castor with his bow. Already, you hear Pollux shouting words of encouragement and counsel to the Salaminian sailors, helping them draw every last bit of speed from the winds.

But what will you do? Ajax and the others have left you to your own devices, it seems, and you are free to exercise your best judgment

>Join Ajax and Teukros at the stern-deck – from this high vantage point, you will be able to cast Salaminian javelins at any pirates within view, and punish enemy boarders if they attempt to scale the sides of the ship. This is likely to be amongst the safest locations on the ship, and farthest from any melee combat.

>Settle into position amongst the rowing benches and assist the Salaminians in their efforts. This is a less-glorious role, but with your mighty physique, you may provide a noticeable boost to any ramming effort, and thereby deliver a mortal blow to the hostile merchant vessel. From amidships, you would be relatively protected by surrounding Salaminians, although somewhat exposed to hostile missile fire.

>Join Castor and Pollux at the foredeck – this may be the most dangerous location on the ship. Assuming you don’t lose your footing when the ships collide, you will be both clearly visible and potentially within melee range, as the external bow of the ship itself is laddered with planks – pirates may attempt to scale the bow in large numbers, leaving you, Castor and Pollux as the first line of defense. Needless to say, if you commit yourself well, you may further impress your crewmates.

>Something else I haven't thought of?

>>5743548

now you're thinking like a pirate, anon
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>>5743555
>>Settle into position amongst the rowing benches and assist the Salaminians in their efforts. This is a less-glorious role, but with your mighty physique, you may provide a noticeable boost to any ramming effort, and thereby deliver a mortal blow to the hostile merchant vessel. From amidships, you would be relatively protected by surrounding Salaminians, although somewhat exposed to hostile missile fire.
Come on lads, row like you've got a spine.

It's a shame we're in a rush, otherwise I'd wonder if some divers couldn't fish up some of the plunder that comes loose from splitting these fuckers in half.

Also a shame we didn't bring any rocks. Pinning a man to the mast with a javelin would be rad, but sinking a ship with a boulder to the hull is even cooler.
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>>5743555
>Join Castor and Pollux at the foredeck – this may be the most dangerous location on the ship. Assuming you don’t lose your footing when the ships collide, you will be both clearly visible and potentially within melee range, as the external bow of the ship itself is laddered with planks – pirates may attempt to scale the bow in large numbers, leaving you, Castor and Pollux as the first line of defense. Needless to say, if you commit yourself well, you may further impress your crewmates.
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>>5743555
>Join Castor and Pollux at the foredeck – this may be the most dangerous location on the ship. Assuming you don’t lose your footing when the ships collide, you will be both clearly visible and potentially within melee range, as the external bow of the ship itself is laddered with planks – pirates may attempt to scale the bow in large numbers, leaving you, Castor and Pollux as the first line of defense. Needless to say, if you commit yourself well, you may further impress your crewmates.
I think if we've got enough strength to boost the speed of the Ram, then we'd be outputting enough to throw off the aim.
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>>5743555
>Settle into position amongst the rowing benches and assist the Salaminians in their efforts. This is a less-glorious role, but with your mighty physique, you may provide a noticeable boost to any ramming effort, and thereby deliver a mortal blow to the hostile merchant vessel. From amidships, you would be relatively protected by surrounding Salaminians, although somewhat exposed to hostile missile fire.
Javelins are not rocks, so I'll pass.
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>>5743577
It's all about timing. You wanna lurch just before impact. The last five strokes are when you really put the gas on. Or ten, if you've got a big ship.
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>>5743577

I'll clarify that Ajax, a man of incredible physical strength in his own right, is guiding the actions of the Salaminian rowers from his vantage point on the stern-deck, and there would be no penalty to accuracy of the ramming action with Nikon assisting.
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>>5743577
Join Castor and Pollux at the foredeck – this may be the most dangerous location on the ship.
I think you've got the right of it
Rowing needs parity between the tow sides otherwise it goes into a spin, by taking up on rowing nikon would only embarass himself, let us do what we do best and slaughter the pirates.

>>5743582
>>5743564
I remember an anon in the TWQ that said there are rocks used for balancing the ship.

Also going diving into a sinking vessel will kill you as it drags everything close down with it.
That's why you need to hurry to abandon a sinking ship and swim away.
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>>5743607
Fucked up my vote there

>>5743555
>Join Castor and Pollux at the foredeck
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>>5743555
>>Settle into position amongst the rowing benches and assist the Salaminians in their efforts. This is a less-glorious role, but with your mighty physique, you may provide a noticeable boost to any ramming effort, and thereby deliver a mortal blow to the hostile merchant vessel. From amidships, you would be relatively protected by surrounding Salaminians, although somewhat exposed to hostile missile fire.
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>>5743607
Oh I wasn't meaning to grab stuff from the ship as it sank. That's a death trap. I do mean to snatch things up that come out through the hull from the impact as air escapes and the ship pitches and yaws on the way down. But we have places to be so I wouldn't want to stop and try anyway.

And if we do have some sort of stones as ballast, it's better to not throw them. Because they're being used for something kind of important.
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>Join Castor and Pollux at the foredeck – this may be the most dangerous location on the ship. Assuming you don’t lose your footing when the ships collide, you will be both clearly visible and potentially within melee range, as the external bow of the ship itself is laddered with planks – pirates may attempt to scale the bow in large numbers, leaving you, Castor and Pollux as the first line of defense. Needless to say, if you commit yourself well, you may further impress your crewmates.
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>>5743555
>>Settle into position amongst the rowing benches and assist the Salaminians in their efforts. This is a less-glorious role, but with your mighty physique, you may provide a noticeable boost to any ramming effort, and thereby deliver a mortal blow to the hostile merchant vessel. From amidships, you would be relatively protected by surrounding Salaminians, although somewhat exposed to hostile missile fire.
play to our strengths
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>>5743555
>Join Castor and Pollux at the foredeck – this may be the most dangerous location on the ship. Assuming you don’t lose your footing when the ships collide, you will be both clearly visible and potentially within melee range, as the external bow of the ship itself is laddered with planks – pirates may attempt to scale the bow in large numbers, leaving you, Castor and Pollux as the first line of defense. Needless to say, if you commit yourself well, you may further impress your crewmates.

I'm sure our experienced rowers will guide us safe and true; let's whet our appetite with blood or something
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>>5743555
>>Join Castor and Pollux at the foredeck – this may be the most dangerous location on the ship. Assuming you don’t lose your footing when the ships collide, you will be both clearly visible and potentially within melee range, as the external bow of the ship itself is laddered with planks – pirates may attempt to scale the bow in large numbers, leaving you, Castor and Pollux as the first line of defense. Needless to say, if you commit yourself well, you may further impress your crewmates.
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>>5743555
>Settle into position amongst the rowing benches and assist the Salaminians in their efforts. This is a less-glorious role, but with your mighty physique, you may provide a noticeable boost to any ramming effort, and thereby deliver a mortal blow to the hostile merchant vessel. From amidships, you would be relatively protected by surrounding Salaminians, although somewhat exposed to hostile missile fire.

Ram 'em, and move up to the foredeck if things get hairy.
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>>5743555
>Settle into position amongst the rowing benches and assist the Salaminians in their efforts.
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>>5743616
>>5743732

Thanks for your votes, anons, but voting restrictions are now in effect.

Give me another post or else these votes will be discounted!
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>>5743930
Er, testing 1,2,3?
Good to see someone reviving this quest with all the drama that happened.
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>>5743932

Thank you, thank you anon.

I've been on /qst/ since the split and this quest was good enough that I felt compelled to take action, and give back to the board, although of course, I don't compare to Homer. Maybe in time I can build enough knowledge of the classics to put up a comparable effort, but this seems unlikely.

Anyways, update later tonight - I'm very happy I took the time to run Deianira's Sidestory and develop a spreadsheet for tracking purposes - I'll be handling most of the crunch behind the scenes rather than making the players roll for every element of the battle (like I did for Deianira's Centaur Raid), it ended up being pretty arduous.
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grab oars!

>>5743564
>>5743582
>>5743610
>>5743704
>>5743787
>>5743893

hang with the bois

>>5743573
>>5743577
>>5743609
>>5743719
>>5743732


one-post id

>>5743616 (your next vote will count, anon)

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Rowing with the Salaminians wins!
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Rolled 5 - 3 (1d20 - 3)

Your decision made, you spring into action – you move to the bow-ward region of the rowing benches, on the starboard side, and make your intentions clear to one of the Salaminians. He’s only too happy to relinquish his rowing oar, and scampers off to assist his crewmates in lowering the sails and removing riggings – in a ramming action, the sails should always be withdrawn, you recall Pollux advising you, but this is best done in the moments just prior to the attempt.

Turning behind you, you raise a fist to Ajax’s hulking figure, and you catch his eye – he nods at you in acknowledgement, his own horse-head crest waving in the breeze, and you join the Salaminians in rowing, keeping the beat to Ajax’s clear direction. Your previous experience at the oars, as you sailed to Salamis, comes in handy here – you are already familiar with the basics of oarsmanship. At the bow of the galley, you see Castor assembling several spare javelins for Pollux to cast when the time comes. Around you, the sea is relatively calm, and the sky is clear above – only a few scattered clouds of white mar the azure realm of Ouranos. To your left, the isle of Syros, golden with waving grain and pastures, is hazy in the distance.

Given your height, even while seated, the hostile merchant vessel is clearly visible and fast-approaching, and its own signal flags are flapping in the salty breeze – dirty brown and linen white. Perhaps three or four stadia distant and rapidly closing, you’re able to make out a figurehead on the prow of the vessel – a gaudily-painted shepherd, complete with shepherd’s staff and white-painted lamb. The copper taste of adrenaline wells up in your throat, as you push hard, breaking a sweat - it evaporates as quickly as it comes, under the fierce heat of all-seeing Helios.

Pollux, hands to mouth, howling over the breeze, casts his voice to the stern:

”They dawdle to adjust, Ajax Telamonios – we are swift!” Pollux nods, clearly in response to a signal from Ajax, and you watch as Pollux and Castor lie flat against the fore-deck, bracing themselves – interesting, you wouldn’t have thought to do the same, but no doubt this will prevent them from being cast overboard. You feel the galley shift, and the muffled sounds of cargo thumping beneath you, as Ajax angles starboard, past the advancing prow of the merchant vessel, and you intuit that Ajax is feigning a boarding action - that the galley will sweep wide, catching the pirates from behind, with the wind at your back.

We will surprise them with a lunge at the critical moment. you think…

Ajax’s beat quickens – he roars to you: “Nikandros – not yet!” The moment comes faster than you can believe, just as you can make out the panicked shouts from the pirate vessel – calls of alarm unheeded, oars withdrawn too slowly on their port-side…

”NOW, NIKANDROS!”

>players, roll a dice+1d20+10 for initiative!
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Rolled 4 + 10 (1d20 + 10)

>>5744213
Swift as the wind.
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Rolled 10, 18, 13 - 3 = 38 (3d20 - 3)

>>5744213
>>5744216

>14 vs a literal 2
>Ajax's Galley wins initiative!

Okay, boys, now it's time to roll for damage!

I'm still using Homer's system - he adopted a Bo3 format before he went on his highly temporary leave of absence, and so I've adapted this system for use in naval combat.

From the players, I need THREE rolls of dice+2d20 to determine the success of the ramming attack. First die = to-hit at a manual +10 bonus, second die = wound at a manual +10 bonus.

For the enemy ship, I'll be rolling dice+3d20+-3 to determine dodge and block.

As you might have noticed, the pirates may have bitten off more than they can chew here...

One additional comment:

Degrees of success matter in naval ramming attacks, although I don't believe that this was the case in Homer's hero vs hero combat system. Basically, the better the wound roll, the less likely your galley will become tangled with the enemy vessel's hull.
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Rolled 4, 19, 17 - 3 = 37 (3d20 - 3)

>>5744219

Oops, I fucked up my own roll - that was the enemy ship's dodge, now I'll rolling for block.
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Rolled 10, 7 = 17 (2d20)

>>5744219
>the pirates may have bitten off more than they can chew here...
>rolls an 18 and 19
Rrrrrrriiiiiight.

Well, here's hoping the un-reinforced hull of a merchant vessel can't withstand the hardened prow of a proper warship. We'll crack their keel yet.
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Rolled 12, 9 = 21 (2d20)

Nike, guide my dice!
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>>5744224
>>5744239

While we’re waiting for the last player roll, could one of you guys roll a dice+1d24 for me? It’s more fun when you guys do it
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Rolled 12 (1d24)

>>5743787
>>5744219
At work phone posting, this is me. I'll do my duty.
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Rolled 8 (1d24)

>>5744270

Sure thing.
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Rolled 12, 19 = 31 (2d20)

>>5744219
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>>5744271
Perfectly balanced,

>>5744274
>19
That's a good hit right there homie.
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>>5744276
Yippee!
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>>5744224
>>5744239
>>5744274

>22, 29 vs 15, 16

>Ajax delivers great but not perfect contact with the pirate vessel
>you guys tear them a new one

I should be able to put out another update before midnight tonight.

>>5744271

Thanks!
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>>5744290

Oh and I almost forgot - I need one roll of dice+2d3+6 to determine ship damage
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Rolled 3, 1 + 6 = 10 (2d3 + 6)

>>5744294
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Rolled 2, 3 + 6 = 11 (2d3 + 6)

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What horrible luck for the pirates to essentially be taking on 8 heroes and their well equipped and skilled troops.
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>>5744410

>implying that Poseidon isn't having a giggle by setting them up against two kings, the Dioscuri, the offspring of mighty Telamon himself, and one concussed "literal who"

post will be out shortly!
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>>5744412
>Hey bro, check this out. I had the currents drag these retards into a fight with four of the biggest motherfuckers alive today, and two of them are yours.
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You beat against the sea with every ounce of your strength, and for a wonder, you feel yourself wrenching the galley’s bow violently to the left, causing even the experienced sailors to sway on their rowing benches. Pollux is whooping wildly in excitement, and the cries of the pirates gain a terrified edge as you swing close. The pirates, a blend of Hellenes, barbaroi and foreigners - men of all builds and colorations, scatter out of their loose double-line battle formation along the side of the ship, tripping over another in a desperate bid to remove themselves from danger.

On the stern deck of the enemy vessel, you see a leather-helmed archer waving frantically, shouting commands - and to your surprise, the pirates fall into a reasonable facsimile of order in the last few moments before contact, grabbing their starboard oars to reorient their ship - this accomplished, the enemy captain leaps nimbly to the stern deck, raising a shield as he settles into a crouch. For all this effort though - they shift their hollow-bellied vessel only marginally. Some brave souls even cross the port-side, to hold their oars up against your onrushing galley - thin reeds to stave off a spinning boulder.

A futile effort.

Ajax has steered the galley well - the galley’s bronze edge tears into the soft underbelly of its victim, a tremendous crash following by ear-splitting shrieking - the pine of your foe’s vessels rending to splinters as the ram tears a mortal wound through the guts of the opponent. Several unfortunately oar-bearers are ground against the shredding deck, their bodies ground into nothing by the mighty jaws of your galley. Another group of pirates are flung from their benches into the sea – at the moment, a position of relative safety. The rest tumble about the deck as your black-hulled warship smashes forward, prying the stern of the vessel apart from the remainder. The ends of the dying ship hang together by a scattered few planks, but to your surprise, the fragments do not begin sinking immediately.

You find yourself rowing in reverse, your arms responding to Ajax’s commands before your mind registers his shouting- there is a peculiar screeching noise as the combined efforts of yourself and the Salaminians pry your ship free of the wreckage, and break the link between the ends of the enemy vessel – the stern of the enemy vessel drifts close to the foredeck, and the remainder of the ship begins drifting parallel to the galley.

>cont
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Already, Teukros, Castor and Pollux are volleying missiles into the scattered pirates - three of the enemy are dead before they can even stand, their vessel still rocking violently from the impact. About half of the Salaminians drop their oars from the fore-deck area and stumble into a loose double-row formation of shields and spears themselves – yet they are quite slow to assemble and brace themselves. It should be an excellent defensive posture, you note as you stand tall, with the ability to adapt and slide position as the rocking of the ship continues, but the angry shouting from Ajax confirms their sloppiness. The remainder of the rowers stay in place, furiously rowing backwards, but without making much progress.

Turning to the enemy, you see that the dazed pirates finally collect themselves into a loose battle-line, but it is a pathetic, single-lined affair – you’ve seen crippled Illyrians organize and under worse circumstances, frankly. As slow as the Salaminians are, the pirates are even slower, despite the frantic orders from their captain - a young Euboean, by his voice and accent. The first volley of Salaminian javelins is launched at short range, from behind a protective shieldwall - four pirates collapse as their throats and livers are pierced, and six more are grievously wounded. Without thought, your mind is processing these events - the pirates are losing badly here - likely that the Salaminians will put them down with minimal casualties.

The odd shrieking from the boat separation has continued, despite the ships breaking clear - and gazing into the torn-open hold of the merchant vessel, you locate the source - the hysterical and pitiful wailing of perhaps two dozen bloodied and filthy men, women and children behind heavy iron bars - slaves meant for sale in some Cycladian port of another. They will certainly drown if you do nothing - and your heart cries out for their aid. You see at least one trap-door of the pirate's vessel sprung upon, forced out of position by the buckling of the pirate's deck.

Simultaneously, you hear a cry of alarm from the fore-decks, and see Pollux shaking a spear angrily at the Euboean archer - to your alarm, you see a white-feathered shaft protruding from Pollux's abdomen, piercing the lightly-armored side of his cuirass, he has been wounded! He cries out:

"Are you a Bacchant* or a man? Put down your thyrsus and fawnskin and pick up your spear!

Castor grabs his brother and forcibly pulls him down to his knees, lowering his profile.

>cont

*Pollux is delivering some mad trash talk here and accusing the Euboean of being a worthless party slut
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You know you must act, but how?

>Leap across the decks to confront the pirates upon their own central deck in melee combat. The fastest way to route these pirates is to smash their resolve and scatter them into the wind and surf. Needless to say, surrounding yourself with hostiles could be phenomenally dangerous, even if they are men of common birth.

>Continue to row with the Salaminians - the enemy ship is dying and further combat profits you nothing - these men are already dead. Assisting the Salaminians will separate your galley as quickly as possible and begin the race towards Menelaus' ship.

>Charge up to the fore-decks and cast javelins at the Euboean archer, while guarding Pollux - Castor needs time to assess and bind Pollux's wounds and you can grant it to them! If you slay Pollux's attacker in the process, all the better.

>Leap across the decks to the enemy vessel, descend the open trap-door and free the slaves within. Trapping yourself within a sinking ship is exceeding unwise, but if you move swiftly, you may be able to free these unfortunates and assuage your twinging heart.

>Something else I haven't thought of?
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>>5744456
>Leap across the decks to the enemy vessel, descend the open trap-door and free the slaves within. Trapping yourself within a sinking ship is exceeding unwise, but if you move swiftly, you may be able to free these unfortunates and assuage your twinging heart.
A bleeding heart
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>Leap across the decks to the enemy vessel, descend the open trap-door and free the slaves within. Trapping yourself within a sinking ship is exceeding unwise, but if you move swiftly, you may be able to free these unfortunates and assuage your twinging heart.

I want us to be remembered in the far future as the one guy who gave a shit. Our kindness will be LEGENDARY!
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>>5744456
>>Leap across the decks to the enemy vessel, descend the open trap-door and free the slaves within. Trapping yourself within a sinking ship is exceeding unwise, but if you move swiftly, you may be able to free these unfortunates and assuage your twinging heart.
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>>5744456
>Leap across the decks to the enemy vessel, descend the open trap-door and free the slaves within. Trapping yourself within a sinking ship is exceeding unwise, but if you move swiftly, you may be able to free these unfortunates and assuage your twinging heart.

Well, I hope we'll be remembered kindly if we die.
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>>5744541
Hopefully with Nikon's HUGE MUSCLES he can swim in heavy armor. At least for a short enough while that someone can throw a rope at him or something.
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>>5744452
>Leap across the decks to confront the pirates upon their own central deck in melee combat. The fastest way to route these pirates is to smash their resolve and scatter them into the wind and surf. Needless to say, surrounding yourself with hostiles could be phenomenally dangerous, even if they are men of common birth.

If people can swim around while carrying other people, Nikon with his divinely enhanced strength should be just fine.
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>>5744456
>>Leap across the decks to the enemy vessel, descend the open trap-door and free the slaves within. Trapping yourself within a sinking ship is exceeding unwise, but if you move swiftly, you may be able to free these unfortunates and assuage your twinging heart.
my heart BLEEDS RED
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>>5744541
Lol, can nikon even swim?
But fine let's be big damn heroes

>>5744456
>Leap across the decks to the enemy vessel, descend the open trap-door and free the slaves within. Trapping yourself within a sinking ship is exceeding unwise, but if you move swiftly, you may be able to free these unfortunates and assuage your twinging heart.

Btw there is a volcanic rock that floats so there is precedence for nikon to do so as well.
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I mean, he's hated by rivers, not the ocean, right?

Don't tell me that we'll have to dam the Mediterranean Sea?
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>>5744586
>quest unlocked: fill the waters between the pillars of heracles
A labor all our own
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>>5744541

Kek nicely done anon.

>>5744547

Even Nikon cannot swim wearing his bronze, he will sink almost immediately.

However, should he fall under the waves, you guys would be provided with a desperate chance to remove his armor as he is drowning.

So the challenge here is:

1) can you leap across
2) can you free the slaves quickly
3) can you leap back and otherwise organize the slave’s evacuation?

I would also accept write-ins if you guys have any modifications to this plan
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>>5744663
We could probably lose the greaves first at least so the weight doesn't slow us down and it's also the most encumbering while giving the least protection.
I don't trust that a vengeful pirate won't try an underhanded shot at us.
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>>5744702

Sure, removing greaves (and helm) would only take a seconds effort and would raise the possibility that Nikon could swim for a brief time if he succeeds on a challenging swim roll. This would reduce his total armor bonus +3->+2, though.
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>>5744456
>Charge up to the fore-decks and cast javelins at the Euboean archer, while guarding Pollux - Castor needs time to assess and bind Pollux's wounds and you can grant it to them! If you slay Pollux's attacker in the process, all the better.
I don't want to lose dad's armor
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>>5744748
My ID changed
>>5742380
>>5743582
These were my previous posts
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>>5744585
>>5744719
Then i'll add a little stripping to my vote
Helmet and greaves off
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Vote will close in approximately 1 hour at 1pm EST - I’m going to try for another double-update day.

Lurkers, last chance to weigh in!
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>>5744456
>Leap across the decks to the enemy vessel, descend the open trap-door and free the slaves within. Trapping yourself within a sinking ship is exceeding unwise, but if you move swiftly, you may be able to free these unfortunates and assuage your twinging heart.

Whoops, forgot to vote.
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a late bronze age HEROOOO
>>5744458
>>5744462
>>5744505
>>5744545
>>5744580
>>5744583
>>5744585

sink or swim, bitches
>>5744748

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Locked - given the write-in for greaves/helm to come off, I'll include this as well - it's something that a smart warrior would do.
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Rolled 3, 16, 12 + 2 = 33 (3d20 + 2)

The cries of the commoners cut through the crash of battle and the raucous shouting of the Salaminians as they prepare for another volley of javelins against the pirates. It galls you, but the simple fact is this: the piercing cry of the women and children will haunt your dreams unless you move to deny them oblivion. You don’t know whether you are admirable or a fool, but you don’t time to consider further – the merchant vessel has begun to list, as water soaks into the open hold. You may have only minutes – or even less.

At the foredecks, you see Pollux, crouching low under his shield, even as Castor tends to the jutting arrow in his shoulder, worrying it loose from his divine flesh – you are tempted to render further aid, but it occurs to you that Pollux and Castor have survived many and more desperate battles than this.

At a glance, you take in the skirmish between the Salaminians and the pirates – hulking Ajax has imposed discipline on his countrymen, and they are tightly assembled in a modified phalanx, shield to shield, easily deflecting the errant spears returned to them by the pirates, who have failed to unite together properly. You quickly remove your crested helm and greaves, stashing them carefully underneath the nearest rowing bench – where is the pirate’s captain? How could he sit by and do nothing as his men are torn to shreds? You scoff at the pure inadequacy of your opponent – death is only fitting reward for such incompetence.

The majority of the enemy ship (stern now fully detached) and it is now drifting parallel to your own, the ships sidling against one another – you’ll never have a better chance to cross over. Sprinting thunderously toward the stern of the galley, you gain the momentum needed – and angling sharply to your right, you leap into the air, taking flight – you sail over the open sea, and stumble onto the enemy foredeck, spear and shield in hand.

You hear Ajax shouting to you in confusion – “Nikandros, what are you – the ARCHER! Shield high, Thessalian!” You spin without thinking, bringing your father’s shield up to protect your neck and head...

>players, give me three rolls of dice+1d20+4
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Rolled 17 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5744952
Whatever happens, I'm glad we're a kind man
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Rolled 11 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5744952
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Rolled 3 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5744952
AWARYH
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>>5744961
>>5744969

>18 vs 21 - Nikon blocks!
> To disambiguate, Nikon sacrificed his initiative roll by jumping across to the enemy ship. Per Homer's system, missile attacks are mostly auto-hit, and therefore we only needed to roll wound vs block.

Years of bandit raids in the chilly north of Hellas have taught you the value of reflex without thought, and you find that this lesson serves you well, even here, under the fierce noon-day heat of the Cyclades. You duck as you raise your shield, a bright disc, and feel the jolting blow of a bronze arrowhead turned aside, spinning wildly off into the brine. Advancing, shield high, towards the open trap-door to the hold you had seen previously, you dare to peek your unhelmed head over the rim of beaten bronze.

Past the milling pirates, only a few of which having seen you, their attentions mostly focused on the Salaminian ash* soon to head their way, you see the Euboean archer scrambling over the tilting stern of his ship, drifting further away on his fragment of the merchant ship – perhaps a good discuss toss away. As you descend the steep ladder into the hold, you catch a darkling flash through the air, whistling towards the Euboean, and the crack of Teukros’ bow – a sound you’ve become quite familiar with over the weeks at sea. Teukros’ shaft sails wide, rising unexpectedly on a blast of warm air – the Euboean idiotically stands to deliver a crude gesture to Teukros. His triumph is short-lived, as a second arrow plants itself into his heart with perfect accuracy, the work of a master archer. He topples into the sea, and having seen enough, you duck underneath the deck.

Moving in a crouch due to the low ceiling, you shoulder aside loose amphora, hanging slabs of salted pork, and crates of poor craftsmanship. It takes longer than you expected to thread your way through the hold, and at one point, you narrowly dodge the main ballast-stone of the vessel as it slides unmoored from its restraints, crushing crates and shattering pottery. Reaching the slave pens, the bruised and battered people inside are terrified of you, at first glance – shrinking back into the shadows of their prison. Above you, you hear the wild screams of the pirates – it seems that their morale has shattered entirely, noticing the demise of their captain. You hear the scampering of feet on the deck above, along with loud splashing, this informing you that some of these weakling men are choosing the sea’s embrace rather than death delivered by Salaminians.


*by this, I mean javelins

>cont
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To your delight, you find that the iron cage of the slave pens has already been partially wrenched out of position by the ramming action – the rusted iron having been weakened by years of salt air and poor maintenance. For a man of your strength, the bars, in such disarray, represent no serious barrier –

>Nikon auto-succeeds on his STR check here given his prodigious physical strength

and you are able to exploit the deck’s fragility, tearing apart the cage’s bracketing to the timber below. As you make a passage wide enough for a man to squeeze through, fresh shrieks from the slaves warn you of danger. Your head snapping up, you see that two groups of four pirates, armed with spears and swords, have sought safety from Salaminian bronze below. They look at each other as angrily as they look at you – one group of Hellenes and the other, Phoenicians - division has festered amongst the crew here. No doubt, each group had planned to push out the ballast-stone from the hold, until rescue from their compatriots arrives.

You have spoiled their plans, an unaccounted-for variable – but what now? The ship is sinking, the slaves are soon to drown, and you are separated from your allies. You risk ambush and worse - an obscure death. But perhaps there is another way?

>Address the pirates as a whole with winged words, and offer them clemency aboard the ship of Ajax if they assist you in the transport of slaves to your vessel? Explain that upon delivery to Delos, they will be free to travel as they see fit.

>Offer a temporary alliance to the Hellenic pirates – you will help them slay their Phoenician rivals in return for safe passage from the hold for yourself and the slaves, leaving them to survive as best as they can.

>Strike without warning against the pirates, casting your spear into one group and charging the others with your sword (currently sheathed on your belt – you are not so foolish as to have left it behind). They’ve scattered once already – they should shrink from further combat.

>Something else I haven’t thought of?
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>>5745011
>Address the pirates as a whole with winged words, and offer them clemency aboard the ship of Ajax if they assist you in the transport of slaves to your vessel? Explain that upon delivery to Delos, they will be free to travel as they see fit.
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>>5744545
>>5745011
Hi, it's me phoneposting from work again.

>Offer a temporary alliance to the Hellenic pirates – you will help them slay their Phoenician rivals in return for safe passage from the hold for yourself and the slaves, leaving them to survive as best as they can.

Maybe it would make more sense to attack, but I think this is the best choice for the sake of giving us more time to rescue these people. If it works.
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>>5745011
>>Something else I haven’t thought of?
>Tell them their captain is dead, and a fleet is arriving shortly to sink the other ships, their best chance to survive is to flee now and attempt to swim to the nearest shore. Take hold of some flotsam now while they have the opportunity to find a good piece.
They're already scared, maybe yelling a semi-command at them to flee will work. Be authoritative.

Or we could just kill them. But the more time we spend the less time we have.
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>>5745035
>+1
Their morale is broken and an angry giant is telling them to fuck off, I think this is a good idea
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>>Something else I haven’t thought of?
>Tell them their captain is dead, and a fleet is arriving shortly to sink the other ships, their best chance to survive is to flee now and attempt to swim to the nearest shore. Take hold of some flotsam now while they have the opportunity to find a good piece.
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>>5745035
Roll to intimidate!

They already don't trust eachother they won't risk battle with a stupidly brave giant while risking to be stabbed in the back by another pirate.
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>>5745011
>>5745035
This
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>>5745093
>>5745117

Beautiful work, anon - will pilfer this for the update if the intimidation vote wins!
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>>5745126
My IP change very fast, so I try to post a meme to compensate, like up there
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>>5745028
>>5745035
I'll change my vote to this.
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>5745011
>5745035
Might as well
>Backing
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>>5745142
>>5745035
>>5745011
Fumbled my vote.
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>>5745035
>>5745011
+1 support.
It's bad to offer clemency on someone else's ship, so intimidation is the way to go. Leave Nikon and live, or fight him and die. A very simple choice. Who in their right mind would try and kill the grandson of ever-rising Athos?
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>>5745011
>>5745035
+1
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turn on the charm

>>5745025

Invert the Sympathizer and fire!

>>5745040
>>5745035
>>5745042
>>5745132
>>5745143
>>5745196
>>5745225


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Virtually unanimous for a smart to write-in, love to see it. Vote is locked.
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Rolled 17, 8, 3, 18 + 5 = 51 (4d20 + 5)

The pirates warily regard you, and you them – there is a fragility to them; a savage, tremulous quality – they are sweating furiously, their eyes open too wide, mouths open and panting. They remind you of starving foxes.

And you are a wolf.

As a lone stalker, huge and with matted fur, might range down from the high foothills of Thessaly, letting the scent of rich flocks and yearling oxen guide its expert passage through underbrush and field to the warm coast, jaws slavering with hunger for the yellow marrow of cracked thigh-bones, you have followed your will to the salt sea. As the wolf might find a fallen stag gnawed upon by lesser creatures – barely worthy of notice - so too you find your path blocked by vermin. The wolf may idly growl in dire threat at this momentary inconvenience – the utter confidence of violence sublimated directly into the fluttering hearts of its inferiors, before the vermin scatter in all directions.

You stand as tall as you can, face exposed, glancing left and right at each group of pirates slowly. The scent of pitch is overpowering in the hold - sunlight streaming into the hold through the gaping wound rent by the galley. The pirates shift anxiously.

You are calm. Your youthful baritone ripples with utter self-confidence, the timbre of your voice conveying the very same promise of death that the ranging wolf delivers -

“Your captain is dead.”
“Your ship is dying.”
“Leave now, or I will send your shades to Πολυδεγμων, the host of many*.”

>players, I need THREE rolls of dice+1d20+3

*Based on my reading, Greeks of the Late Bronze Age preferred not to name Hades directly, using euphemisms such as these.
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>>5745298

Derp, please note that this was meant to be a -5 modifier, so you guys need to beat a 12 and a 13.
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Rolled 2 + 3 (1d20 + 3)

>>5745298
Damn, they get a +5? Too stupid to truly understand their situation or are they that bad at swimming that they don't want to?

>>5745300
Nevermind, kek
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Rolled 6 + 3 (1d20 + 3)

>>5745298
The ancient technique passed down throughout history: diplomacy
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Rolled 10 + 3 (1d20 + 3)

>>5745298
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>>5745310
Thank fuck.
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>>5745310
That was too close to failure.
I blame it on out proximity to water.
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>>5745310
Nice. Nikon in his concussed state almost got a bit too into thinking that he was a wolf.
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>>5745310

Kek, another razor-thin margin of victory for Nikon.

>>5745320

My poor attempt at an extended Homeric nature simile, but hopefully with practice I get better....

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Okay, next update will be sometime tomorrow.

However, I do need a general roll to help determine the larger state of affairs in the naval engagement.

Could I request a dice+1d20 from a player?

1-10: a fat man quails
10-20: it's time for dinner
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Rolled 6 (1d20)

>>5745325
Captcha is WAR8P
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>>5745325
DINNER?
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>>5745328
Boy's goin' hungry
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>>5745326
>>5745328

hehe, double confirmation, anons, thank you

The gods are cruel but this time Nikon catches a break
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>>5745335
There is always the choice of raping them, and choosing not to do so is an act of kindness in itself
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>>5745335
>The Kind
I do believe the option of letting them fuck off is actually leagues above what other heroes would do, that is just kill them regardless.
>>5745338
>choosing not to do so is an act of kindness in itself
Is that you, Zeus?
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>>5745338
>Three thread and we haven't raped anyone.

We are the best man ever? Our grandfather is the God of Goodness? Is the infinite kindness of Athos radiating from our soul as it once radiated from the rocky caves that sheltered primitive men in ancient times?

Big questions.
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>>5745343
>behold, the kindest man in all of greek history!
>"Uh hi, yeah I don't rape people."
>what a MAN
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>>5745371
You've got it a bit mixed up, Anon
>I don't rape people
Could mean that the person would do so if able, but is unable
>I can rape many people but I choose not to
Is a sign of true virtue
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>>5745382
>Could mean that the person would do so if able, but is unable
Perhaps my grasp on the English language is truly as tenuous as suggested, but I was under the impression that "I do not rape people" means that under any circumstance, they will not perform an act of sexual assault. Whereas "I cannot rape people" would imply that there is something holding them back from doing so. Alas my comprehension of the anglic languages is so patchy and incomplete that I am unable to properly convey my humorous escapades. Verily I find myself without the means by which I may project any emphatic denotation of any sort. Beyond of course anger, by which I display thusly, "Fuck you.".

:^)
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>>5745382
>>I can rape many people but I choose not to
>Is a sign of true virtue

This is why Zeus is virtuous.

He can rape everyone all the time, all day long, but choose not to.
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>>5745394
Good argument, poise is great, however by hurting my feelings you have violated Xenia by wounding me in my own home and therefore i have the right to rape you. Checkmate!
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>>5745399
Well shit.
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>>5745399
>you have violated Xenia by wounding me in my own home and therefore i have the right to rape you.

Zeus has the first turn mortal
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There is a long, uncomfortable silence as each group of rivals considers the threat – you note that your words do not produce the instantaneous terror that you expected. Instead, the pirates seem to engage in communications amongst themselves for a deeply uncomfortable minute. The Phoenicians are hissing at each other – a young man saying, “የእሱን መጠን ተመልከት!” and an older, grizzled man responding “እሱ ግዙፍ ሞኝ ነው, እና ሞኞች ሊታለሉ ይችላሉ”- harsh syllables that mean nothing to your unlearned ear.

The Hellenic pirates, however, simply glare at each other soundlessly – until the eldest of them slips away in the dark, without a word. The tension breaks, and the remaining Hellenes follow suit – they retreat to the bow-end of the hold, although whether to flee the ship outright or simply hide, you do not know.

The brownskinned Phoenicians re-evaluate their position – at 8 to 1 odds in tight quarters, perhaps they felt confident at the prospect of combat with you. Less so now – you watch as they scamper in retreat towards the rent opening in the stern hold, where the broken end of the ship opens up to sun and sky.

The matter accomplished, and no longer fearing the prospect of an ambush – you turn to the slaves. They are terrified out of their wits, half-starved and traumatized after their abuses, but they respond quickly as you order them out of their cage and to ascend to the main deck. You step out into the noon-day sun, with the bedraggled prisoners in your shadow. The pirates have abandoned the main deck entirely – a few more bodies are present that you recall, having taken Salaminian javelins in the back, and several more pirates are moaning in agony as they attempt to gather the courage to withdraw the fire-hardened missiles from their guts, thighs, or sides. In your estimation, these wounded can safely be ignored. The deck itself is quite uneven, starting to roll, its death spasms have begun. You have only minutes.

To your great relief, you see that Ajax’s galley has not yet departed – instead, having swung around the dying merchant vessel to the opposite side. Across the deck, in the distance, you see another pirate’s ship departing at all speed downwind, sails high and oars threshing. It seems that the Euboean’s companion had no appetite for a rescue or to risk an interdiction of Ajax’s galley.

You see Ajax’s hulking figure on the stern and you raise a fist to him in signal – he is quick to return the gesture. He expertly directs his oarsman to maneuver his galley quite close to the dying ship, and once the decks are aligned, you and your rescued slaves are quick to make the transition.

Once aboard, the Salaminians pay you no mind, already hard at work to deploy the main sails. Pollux and Castor appear at your side - Pollux claps you on the shoulder, looking no worse for wear – in fact, you see a fresh pink scar beneath the pierced bronze of his shoulder’s armor.

>cont
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“What daimon possessed you, Nikandros? Κοαλεμος, spirit of foolishness or Αλκη, on loan from my father's armguard?” The blonde man has a bemused look on his face, as he inspects the huddled slaves. His gold-flecked eyes flash -

“You may get a few talents for their sale on Delos – are you so impoverished?” he asks wonderingly. Castor, looking wearied, gently intercedes –

“Perhaps wealth is not what has motivated him, dear brother.”

Ajax’s shadow looms, and you stand at attention as he approaches - he is clearly angered, speaking:

“Nikandros, I know you little and must be clear - I will not risk the lives of our crew for theatrics. It is fortune alone that returned you! I agreed to transport you to Ilion at the behest of Agamemnon, but I owe nothing to you.” He doesn’t wait for a response – he immediately orders the Salaminians to stow the slaves below deck, and re-orient the vessel.

He turns back to you, clearly expecting a response.

>Well, you’ve pissed off Ajax – what do, /qst/? Nikandros is bound by honor/respect to any plans specified to Ajax, (currently) his vast superior in nobility.

>Explain the truth – that you were motivated to save the slaves out of sympathy. Honesty has served you well in the past, even when it does not seem the best strategy. Furthermore, you plan to release these slaves from bondage upon reaching Delos.

>Lie that you were motivated by financial gain – that you plan to sell the slaves to merchants at Delos and split what proceeds you obtain amongst yourself, Ajax, Teukros and the Dioscuri.

>Explain that you intend to grant the slaves to King Anios of Delos as a gift, for good will with your future host.

>Something else I haven’t thought of?

Ajax listens to your response carefully, saying only:

“We will discuss further once the battle is won – we must now attend to Menelaus. Nikandros, your help on the oars for the ramming was appreciated, and I’ll ask it of you once again –“ he nods toward the other galley in the distance, clearly having angled southerly from the intended course to Delos. The two pirate vessels are in hot pursuit, and even from this distance, you see that all three vessels have their sails up and oars flashing.

“Menelaus and Odysseus are leading the other pirates on a merry chase, and we must row like we have the Earth-Shaker himself pushing us along.”

You don’t argue with Ajax, despite the demeaning nature of the request. You immediately gather your helm and greaves, equip them and proceed to a rowing bench close to the stern. To your surprise, Teukros joins you as well – he provides you with a sympathetic expression, perhaps having borne the brunt of his half-brother’s anger in the past. You set to rowing, pushing hard, as Ajax belts out commands the stern-deck, from behind your left shoulder.

>Players, I need ONE roll of dice+1d20+11 to determine how quickly your galley can travel to Menelaus’ galley.
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Rolled 5 + 11 (1d20 + 11)

>>5745810
>>Explain the truth – that you were motivated to save the slaves out of sympathy. Honesty has served you well in the past, even when it does not seem the best strategy. Furthermore, you plan to release these slaves from bondage upon reaching Delos.
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>>5745810
>Explain that you intend to grant the slaves to King Anios of Delos as a gift, for good will with your future host.
Freed slaves don't really do well in tribal societies desu
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>>5745810
>Explain the truth – that you were motivated to save the slaves out of sympathy. Honesty has served you well in the past, even when it does not seem the best strategy. Furthermore, you plan to release these slaves from bondage upon reaching Delos.
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>>5745810
>>Explain the truth – that you were motivated to save the slaves out of sympathy. Honesty has served you well in the past, even when it does not seem the best strategy. Furthermore, you plan to release these slaves from bondage upon reaching Delos.

>concede however that as it is his ship and we acted out of turn, it is his decision on what we do with the slaves
Nikdandros is impulsive, bold, and just a bit silly. But he's a good man. And not quite an idiot.
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>>5745810
>Something else I haven’t thought of?
>Explain the truth – that you were motivated to save the slaves out of sympathy. Honesty has served you well in the past, even when it does not seem the best strategy.
>"Prince Ajax, you may have heard about my father's end. The suffering brought upon being carried by the currents is one that weight heavily upon the memory of my family. I could not let the slaves suffer the terrible of fate of drowning as the result of the greed and foolishness of these pirates."
Not going to free the slaves, it's not really how bronze age Greece worked.
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>>5745820
>+1
Ajax does hold authority here, best that we respect it
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>>5745810
>Explain that you intend to grant the slaves to King Anios of Delos as a gift, for good will with your future host.
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>>5745821
This sounds good to me. Support. Besides, I don’t think letting those slaves go free without any wealth to their name is going to end well. Ajax is a bro, so I’m not too worried over the result here, just gotta manage his anger.
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>>5745810
>Explain the truth – that you were motivated to save the slaves out of sympathy. Honesty has served you well in the past, even when it does not seem the best strategy.
Wonder what Teurkos would think
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>>5745820
This
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>>5745966

You might hear from him later on the voyage, if you seek him out.

Homer implied that Teukros has something of a different mindset, even if he doesn’t always speak his mind in formal settings…

Anyways, you guys owe Teukros your thanks - that Euboean dickhead was prepared to camp out and take additional potshots at you when you re-emerged from the hold.
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>>5745982
Pic
>>5745998
What?
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>>5745132
>>5745820
It's me again, phoneposting at work.

All this, and definitely giving our regards to Teukros.
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>>5745810
>>5745880
Switching to

>Explain the truth – that you were motivated to save the slaves out of sympathy. Honesty has served you well in the past, even when it does not seem the best strategy. Furthermore, you plan to release these slaves from bondage upon reaching Delos.

Accidentally picked the wrong one
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Nikandros, Boy Scout

>>5745812
>>5745819
>>5745820 (with concession write-in)
>>5745821 (with another good concession write-in)
>>5745822
>>5745966
>>5745982
>>5746031
>>5746070

I have a poor track record with Kings, best to bring a bribe

>>5745817

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I'm pretty sure the count is correct, but regardless, seems like an overwhelming majority for "tell the truth" with some smart write-ins.
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>>5745810
>>5745820
Late perhaps but i'll cast my vote for this
To let Ajax decide their fate.
>>5745821
Also this write in is good.
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>>5746164
Yeah, letting Ajax decide is good.
His ship, his slaves.
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I'm pretty sure the decision should be Ajax's anyways. He's the captain of the ship, and therefore ought to decide the distribution of captured "goods"
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>>5746166
That's why it's important to acknowledge that we aren't going to attempt to impose our desire upon him. It makes us look like an overeager muppet but not a totally up-jumped rural fucknut shouldering his way past his betters.
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>>5745821
This is nice too
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Rolled 2, 13 + 1 = 16 (2d20 + 1)

>let’s at least handle the Ajax conversation tonight, we can do the second half of the naval battle tomorrow.

Ajax Telamonios, your senior in age, acclaim, heritage, wealth, veterancy – a man of legendary constitution, and one of the very few who stands taller than yourself. He could not be more dissimilar in appearance to silver-footed Thetis, but nonetheless, there is a doubling in your mind – the recollection of your conversation with an angry goddess upon a mountainside in Skyros comes unprompted.

You adopt the same strategy that transmuted a goddess’ wrath into a debt, still unpaid – revealing the truth. You speak your heart to him:

"Prince Ajax, you may have heard about my father, Hippomedon, and his death*, resulting from the unjust revenge of dark-pebbled Ismenos. The suffering brought upon the house of Hippomedon, carried to us by the currents, is one that burdens me heavily, as well as upon my sister and mother. I could not let the slaves suffer the terrible fate of drowning, doomed by the greed and foolishness of these pirates.”

You breathe deeply, and send what winged words you can:

“And yet, I am not in command, this is not my ship, and I have acted rashly. I beg your forgiveness, Prince Ajax. The fate of the slaves is yours to decide, not mine – I have already achieved what I hoped, and offer them freely to you.”

>Okay, anons – beat my roll for Ajax's WILL.

>I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+3 to see if Nikon can salvage his standing with Ajax. His current CHA bonus is 0 (with the concussion, effective CHA of 9), but I’m providing a +2 bonus for the write-in re: concession, and a further +1 bonus for apology/surrendering the slaves.

>Degrees of success do matter here, since I am tracking reputation gains and losses behind the scenes.

Just so you guys know, Hippomedon didn't drown in the river Ismenos - the river water stripped him of his arms and armor and then placed him directly in front of a Theban battalion that turned him into a pin-cushion. Funny that Nikandros is wearing his father's bronze today, given that the Seven Against Thebes lost, no?
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Rolled 14 + 3 (1d20 + 3)

>>5746175
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Rolled 1 + 3 (1d20 + 3)

>>5746175
It's why I mentioned him being carried by the currents instead of drowning.
I just thought it would be fitting because what the river asshole did to Nira in the sidequest.
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>>5746184
...I was one of the anons that rolled one of the crit fails when that happened.
I'm just going to vow to not roll in the main quest as well.
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>>5746187
Dont worry, if crit fall were a thing here, Agamenon and Nikon meeting would have be a thing of legends
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>>5746193
I'm interpreting it as Tyche warning me before any more gods appear to activate their crit powers.
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>>5746196
What happen to Nira on the side quest?
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>>5746176
>>5746184

>17 vs 14 - exactly one degree of success - that'll do.

I'm honestly surprised, I can't recall the last time that Nikon won a social roll. Anyways, Nikon preserves his social standing with Ajax through genuine discourse about his motivations (but Ajax is not exactly having an epiphany about the social compact here).

>>5746190
>>5746193

kek, the memes for this quest are truly top fucking tier

>>5746197

It's too painful to recount here, anon...

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This seems as good a time as any to reveal my true intentions - restarting TWQ has only been Phase 2 of a larger plan to revitalize /qst/ and increase board traffic here. /qst/ CAN be great again!

I've come to the determination that the folks in /qtg/ discord, while being mostly well-meaning people, seem to be incapable or unwilling to band together collectively to advertise the board. This was initially frustrating to me, before I realized: Achilles wouldn't give a fuck about that, he would just do it.

This means that UNILATERAL ACTION is required - and so my question is this:

Would the meme-generating anons be willing to join me in my crusade, and donate their time, energy, and money to design one general banner ad and one banner ad about TWQ specifically, to run on other 4chan boards? If yes, see requirements below:

Positions/Dimensions: 728x90 Leaderboard in both header and footer positions in desktop view, 300x250 Medium Rectangle in both header and footer positions in mobile view)
Format: JPG/PNG/GIF/WEBP

Maybe if we are successful in generating some of these, we can then identify which boards to advertise on?

Regardless of the above, I do plan to continue to run TWQ no matter the outcome of this advertising discussion, so no hard feelings if players decide against supporting these efforts.
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>>5746197
A soldier killed a peasant girl that was giving offerings to the local stream god. We found the murderwe and brought him to god as a peace offering so they would stop muddling the water
The god saw the guy and had a brainfart, ignored the fact the fucker was bound and the pleading we had just done, threw a tantrum, sweep the entire platoon, nearly killed Nira, killed Iudas, and made Pantaleon disappear.
At least the stream god got a beating from their river dad and Nira is closer to join team dam(n) all river.
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>>5746202
I mean, I can do memes with that dimensions, but I don't know about what topics aim them

>>5746205
Fuck
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>>5746202
We're so back.
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>>5746202
>I'm honestly surprised, I can't recall the last time that Nikon won a social roll.
Clearly Ajax understands, big boys stick together, even if the slightly smaller big boy is being kind of a dweeb.

As for the where, I'd suggest /his/, /lit/ or /tv/. I'm sure someone on /tv/ knows about that old Troy movie with Brad Pitt. /his/ would probably appreciate the actual slight amount of effort going into the quest. And /lit/ for the fact that there are already some people there who know about the quest from the Iliad reading group, and general appreciation for the classics.

Although they all have relatively small user bases. No one wants to advertise to the freaks in /a/. Even if this is based on the earliest anime script in history.
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>>5746205
Can't forget that in that process, we also lost a godly relic, Nira's ankle got mangled so badly she needed a walking stick, and she had to struggle through the wilderness at night on a broken ankle back to her home. Then, we had to figure out how to kill the most powerful man in the area. That went a lot better.

Sleepy Social Intrigues in Thessaly.
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>>5746301
The good news is, when Nikon gets back from the war, Nira will have a higher level than him.
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>>5746305
>Gets back from the war

You speak as if Nikon isn't going to die in Ajax's arms having saved his life and forcing him to promise to fuck Nira
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>>5746372
>nikon dies
>nira goes full tilt vengeance witch and swears retribution on hades himself to get her brother back
>wacky dangerous shenanigans ensue
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>>5746396
>The greeks return from the war
>Deianira is in Pythia being crowned queen in the north.
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>>5746396
>>5746402
Lol
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You put your conversation with Ajax behind you, his thoughts hidden to you for now, and you row – the chase is on!

Now seated in the starboard, stern-area of the decks, you have a clear view ahead. The majority of Salaminians, who are almost completely unwounded, break their backs on the oars. For commoner men, they are unusually competent, strong and more importantly, well-trained – they row with proper discipline and haven’t yet expended their reserves. You catch grins on the youngest of them – some of them not so grizzled as to forget the pure excitement of successful battle.

Along the fore-decks, the sharp-eyed commoner who spotted the vessels earlier is placed, a black-haired youth with a squat frame and prominent nose. The squat man constantly flashes hand signals back to Ajax, who makes subtle adjustments on the tiller. The previous flags have been reeling in, and another signal flag has been run up the rigging in their place – this one dark as Nyx’s shawl. Even distracted by the timing of the rowing, you can guess the meaning – we are coming, Menelaus!

Behind you, you catch snatches of shouted conversation between Ajax, Pollux and Castor – they are hotly debating methods to pry the pirates’ vessels apart. You’re too distant to hear properly, and with the concussion still fogging your thoughts, you are content to labor away for the time being. To your left, you catch glimpses of Teukros – the man has surprised you again, and joining you at the oars was an unexpected show of solidarity. He seems at peace amongst the Salaminian rowers, his dark features wearing a smile, and even manages to find the time to wordlessly poke fun at various Salaminians surrounding him. His easy way with the sailors is something to note – other men might be vaunting endlessly about their slaying of an enemy captain, but he seems to have already forgotten his actions.

Before you, the sails steadily grow larger – between Ajax’s hand on the tiller, Pollux’s expert guidance, and Teukros and yourself at the oars, you make good time.

And then the wind dies.

>cont
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It doesn’t happen all at once – but steadily, the gusts become weaker, more fitful. The sails of your galley and of the ships grow slack, hanging impotently, and the sea becomes preternaturally calm. You look about in all directions, but can see no silver threads, no swimming daimons amongst the ocean waves – although, with Odysseus aboard Menelaus’ vessel, you do wonder… You recall the archery competition between Castor and the resourceful King of Ithaka, and the easy way that divine assistance was produced to correct an errant bowshot.

The lack of wind is all to your galley’s benefit, of course. Your ship possesses the strongest rowers, and therefore the lack of wind benefits you and your crewmates most of all. One of the hostile vessels before you cannot keep pace with its peer – the oars fail to coordinate properly, whether due to exhaustion, or poor discipline, you aren’t sure. As for the other, it just fails to keep pace with Menelaus’ ship – very gradually slipping further behind Menelaus’ galley.

You hear Ajax shouting triumphantly behind you – “A flock of kingfishers are owed to fast-shifting Aeolos! He restrains the Ανεμοι to our benefit!”

>okay, players - give me a dice+1d20+11 for ship on ship initiative against the laggard piratical vessel!
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Rolled 16 + 11 (1d20 + 11)

>>5746451
>19
Gods are having fun
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>>5746452

Not as much fun as Ajax, it seems - he’s having a good day at sea. Ah, to be a Chad in the Late Bronze Age…

Next update will be out at about 1pm EST or so.
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Within the quarter-hour, your galley has merged course with the lagging pirate vessel, following close behind, even with your sails down. Shout of alarm in Zeus’ Hellenika drift over the stern of the pirate’s vessel, and you see glimpses of the ragged pirate crew leaning over the edges of their deck, gauging the distance between your galley and their slowing vessel.

As your craft approaches, there’s a half-hearted volley of javelins aimed at your rowers, but these fall harmless upon the deck or into the sea – you hear a high and clear order from the enemy vessel – “Cease casting, cease casting!” Still working the oars, you shake your head – this bunch is hardly more disciplined than the others your crew left dying, ship-wrecked and adrift just previously.

You hear that high voice of command once more, carried by the salt air, clearly delivered with the confidence of command – a voice softened by the slurred accents of the Minoan. A Cretan, you suspect. “Row hard, row hard, row hard!” They are foolishly attempting to –

But contrary to the orders you’ve just overheard, the pirate crew ahead of you thrusts their oars violently into the deep, rapidly decelerating and rocking widely to port! A basic deception, but one delivered with surprising competence and speed.

Ajax thunders behind you – TO PORT, TO PORT! and you lend your strength to the braking action – together with the Salaminians and with Ajax's godlike strength on the tiller, the galley is neatly nestled behind the hijacked merchant vessel.

”Salaminians, prepare for boarding action! Double-file amidships, javelins ready!. You hear Andocides, boatswain of the galley, echo these orders himself, and sprint down to the center deck, spear and shield in hand, to coordinate further.

Pollux rockets past your rowing bench, flying from stern to bow – his spear and shield are strapped to his broad back. At once, you guess his intentions – with the stern of the enemy vessel drawing close, he means to leap from the bow of your galley, ascend the enemy stern and catch the enemy by surprise! He turns back to you, laughing wildly:

“Come, Nikandros – you have inspired me! Do not let Salaminian disapproval restrain you!”

>cont
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>whew, sorry for the delay there, was unexpectedly held up

The Salaminians produce grappling irons from compartments under the main deck, and rapidly fasten these to large iron hooks along the ship deck and to the rowing benches themselves. A huddle of the sailors grows alongside Andocides in the central part of the galley, oxhide shields raised and pitiless bronze spearpoints held in throwing posture.

You leap off the benches yourself, sword at your belt, spear in hand, bronze disc of your father strapped safely to your arm, prepared to take action - Teukros likewise abandons his rowing bench, sprinting back towards the stern.

>wat do, /qst/? This vote is expected to close tonight at 8am or so. I'll call for ship combat rolls at that time.

>Charge up along the fore-deck platform and leap to the enemy stern to join Pollux at his invitation! Pollux, as a expert climber and man of considerable strength, will no doubt be able to assist you up the side of the pirate’s stern if need be. A pair of demigods set loose upon the enemy vessel will spark chaos amongst the crew and you’ll be able to better cover one another if one of you is wounded.

>Join Andocides amidships and join the boarding party of the Salaminians – he is unlikely to join the actual invading party himself, and you will be able to assume temporary command of the Salaminians as they leap aboard. Your presence will no doubt provide a significant boost to the combat ability of the boarding party and you will become the anvil to Pollux’s hammer.

>Clamber aboard the fore-deck platform, but hang back as the galley comes parallel against the enemy vessel, scanning for the Cretan captain – if you locate him, you may be able to leap aboard and challenge him directly in solo combat. A decapitation strike will shatter the resolve of the pirates and make for another swift victory - let Ajax doubt your instincts at his peril!

>Assist the Salaminians with the application of the grappling irons? These irons are essentially hooks on very long, strong ropes, meant to be tossed into the rigging, and to catch along the lumber and masts of the victim's ship. A man of your strength could launch multiple irons simultaneously, and increase the chances of a success "lock" upon the enemy ship.

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>Also, I need another dice+1d24, as we have entered a new battle phase.
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>>5746591
>>Charge up along the fore-deck platform and leap to the enemy stern to join Pollux at his invitation! Pollux, as a expert climber and man of considerable strength, will no doubt be able to assist you up the side of the pirate’s stern if need be. A pair of demigods set loose upon the enemy vessel will spark chaos amongst the crew and you’ll be able to better cover one another if one of you is wounded.

Pollux is such a bro
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>>5746591
>h
>Join Andocides amidships and join the boarding party of the Salaminians – he is unlikely to join the actual invading party himself, and you will be able to assume temporary command of the Salaminians as they leap aboard. Your presence will no doubt provide a significant boost to the combat ability of the boarding party and you will become the anvil to Pollux’s hammer.
We're good at leading people and this is a good opportunity to show our peers and betters that.
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>>5746591
>>Charge up along the fore-deck platform and leap to the enemy stern to join Pollux at his invitation! Pollux, as a expert climber and man of considerable strength, will no doubt be able to assist you up the side of the pirate’s stern if need be. A pair of demigods set loose upon the enemy vessel will spark chaos amongst the crew and you’ll be able to better cover one another if one of you is wounded.

Ἀλαλά!
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Rolled 11 (1d24)

>>Charge up along the fore-deck platform and leap to the enemy stern to join Pollux at his invitation! Pollux, as a expert climber and man of considerable strength, will no doubt be able to assist you up the side of the pirate’s stern if need be. A pair of demigods set loose upon the enemy vessel will spark chaos amongst the crew and you’ll be able to better cover one another if one of you is wounded.
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>>5746591
>Charge up along the fore-deck platform and leap to the enemy stern to join Pollux at his invitation! Pollux, as a expert climber and man of considerable strength, will no doubt be able to assist you up the side of the pirate’s stern if need be. A pair of demigods set loose upon the enemy vessel will spark chaos amongst the crew and you’ll be able to better cover one another if one of you is wounded.
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>>5746591

I obviously meant 8pm EST here, not 8am.

>>5746610

Thanks for the roll, anon - noted.

Also, I’ll keep an eye out for any potential ads for generated for TWQ or for /qst/ generally. If it comes to it, i’ll buy the ad time myself
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>>5746591
>>Charge up along the fore-deck platform and leap to the enemy stern to join Pollux at his invitation! Pollux, as a expert climber and man of considerable strength, will no doubt be able to assist you up the side of the pirate’s stern if need be. A pair of demigods set loose upon the enemy vessel will spark chaos amongst the crew and you’ll be able to better cover one another if one of you is wounded.
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>>5746591
>Charge up along the fore-deck platform and leap to the enemy stern to join Pollux at his invitation! Pollux, as a expert climber and man of considerable strength, will no doubt be able to assist you up the side of the pirate’s stern if need be. A pair of demigods set loose upon the enemy vessel will spark chaos amongst the crew and you’ll be able to better cover one another if one of you is wounded.
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Ajax is probably going to shake his head at our jumping with Pollux. But we need to get his back. Having Teukros and Castor with their great marksmanship to help keep him safe is one thing, it's another to have a man shield your back entirely.

Speaking of, we should offer our words of approval and compliment Teukros' fine shooting when we get the chance. Straight to the heart of a man mid-taunt. Baller.
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I was also thinking of just how aloof Nikon must seem with the sympathetic trait. Typical heroes and people of the age are as brazen as they can be at all times, and pretty selfish.
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>>5746883
>>5746919

This is an age where demigod men with testosterone levels comparable to prime bull alligators are walking around.

Nikon is not the only nobleman with the Sympathy trait, but he might be the only hulking military genius with it. If Nikon survives to the end of the war, he may create a very distinct legacy, that’s for sure. I’m aware of no such figure mentioned in Homeric literature.
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>>5746591
>Charge up along the fore-deck platform and leap to the enemy stern to join Pollux at his invitation!
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>>5746927
Wouldn't Menelaus also have the sympathetic trait? He was willing to forego all of the treasure just to get Helen back, after all. Of course, he's still a passionate man with the temper to match.
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>>5746944
Aside from his determination to beat Paris to death he's definitely a softie in the Iliad/Odyssey
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>>5746951
To be fair, just about everyone except his own family wanted to beat Paris to death. And even then there were times.
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>>5746944

>expecting me to spill the beans on a major character's character sheet just because you asked politely

Certainly not anon, this would be improper :)

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this is the way, Nikon

>>5746597
>>5746605
>>5746610
>>5746623
>>5746643
>>5746650
>>5746928


Squad-Lead, green light, green light

>>5746604

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We're not at 8pm yet, but the consensus is quite clear! Nikon will be turning his brain off again - the players have a weak spot for Pollux's shenanigans, it seems - and he's not the only one!
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>>5746591
>Charge up along the fore-deck platform and leap to the enemy stern to join Pollux at his invitation! Pollux, as a expert climber and man of considerable strength, will no doubt be able to assist you up the side of the pirate’s stern if need be. A pair of demigods set loose upon the enemy vessel will spark chaos amongst the crew and you’ll be able to better cover one another if one of you is wounded.
He's probably gonna go through with it whether or not we follow, so may as well watch his back.
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>>5746959
How many character sheets did you have to make for this quest?
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>>5746944
No, he has the simp trait.
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>>5746969
Hey man, she's the hottest woman in the world. People have done a lot more for a lot less.
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>>5746966

Unfortunately I had to go without Homer’s notes, so I had to create over 20, but some are definitely more detailed than others. I’m lucky in that the full cast of the Iliad won’t appear for a while, so I’ll be fine tuning further behind the scenes.

I spent something like 5 hours tinkering with Achilles’s charsheet until I felt confident that I reproduced Homer’s thought-process (or arrived at the same outcome, at least). It was much easier to create the other characters, and having Nikon’s sheet and Homer’s original chargen traits for reference was critical.
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>>5746984
Achilles really is a bitch to stat out because his characteristics are actually way more in depth than most of the other characters. He has moments of intense anger and then flips to being melancholic and wistful in the next instance he is mentioned. He's just a very complicated young man.
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Rolled 16 - 5 (1d20 - 5)

Pollux’s invitation rings in your ears, and you briefly consider ignoring him – but the call of the greater of the Dioscuri is simply too much to resist. He is an Argonaut, a son of the Loud-Thunderer, sister to Helen, and a man who has treated directly with the divines on uncountable occasions. His story is known to every Hellene and even farther abroad – his exploits are legends heard by all young boys who dream of greatness. A flash of envy sparks through your mind as you consider his accomplishments – you don’t lie to yourself, you covet his fame.

He has invited you to become part of his myth – to become eternal – who are you to deny him? You take a brief moment to strap your shield and spear to your back and are thundering up the deck joyously in no time at all. Happiness does not come often to you, delivered to you in small moments – when laying the perfect ambush in the snowy hills of Elimeia, or stalking a barbaroi princeling along the lakes of Arnisa – these have been moments of true joy. You add one more moment to your list – flinging yourself into the air over the open sea, at the invitation of one of the Τυνδαριδαι.

The enemy vessel is weather-beaten – the wood roughened into handholds by surf and sea. Pollux having ascended before you, extends a hand as you heavily scramble up the exterior of the stern, and you gratefully accept – he hauls your bulk aboard, straining.

Your sandaled feet barely touch the stern deck before your shield and spear are in hand. Your presence has not yet been noted. The pirates, bearing shields and hide tunics move rapidly to repulse the inbound Salaminian boarders, but not frantically - a measure of coordination exists among them. These are professional, veterans - not the ragged sea-vermin that your galley smashed to pieces a half-hour ago. One of the pirates, tracking a gull through the air, spots you and Pollux aboard the stern deck, and cries out:

“Boarders, boarders, boarders!”

The pirates immediately break off a group of ten in your direction, but their approach is harried, messy - you are unexpected guests. Pollux’s pale eyes gleam beneath his painted, egg-white skullcap, as you each survey the deck before you, and he mutters to you, meeting your eye -

“I’ve seen you wrestle, Thessalian – now show me how you fare in the grind of Ares Manslaughterer!” Before you can respond, he’s leapt down below, shield high and spear-point high, advancing towards the pirates. You have no choice but to drop down alongside him!

>Okay, players – this is Nikon’s first taste of actual combat against a coordinated enemy force. Try not to embarrass yourself.

>I need ONE roll of dice+1d20+6 for Nikon’s initiative. He gets a significant bonus (+5) for dropping in unannounced.
>I'll be rolling for Pollux separately.
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Rolled 10 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5747090
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Rolled 19, 15, 11, 1, 20, 4 - 5 = 65 (6d20 - 5)

>>5747101

Your heart beats, and your feet hit the deck of the vessel. The pirates before you are slow - painfully slow. They are inferior men, wielding inferior weapons and arms. You pity them, but not enough to spare them.

Pollux moves lazily, a half-effort - a man who has seen death and no longer fears it. Even so, he is faster than the men before you.

The commoners before you are mostly Hellenic - a shame. It feels worse to kill them than foreigners, for some reason.

Your heart beats.

Your arms are long, your spear is longer - your reach is surprising. The pirates are moving too close to you - they will have to learn their errors through spilled blood. They will wander as shades, unavenged, for many decades in the underworld.

No matter.

Your speargrip tightens, and you push out into their midst.

>players, give me THREE rolls of dice+2d20. first roll with manual +1 to-hit bonus, second roll with +6 wound bonus, per Nikon's stats.

>I'm rolling for the pirates and also for Pollux (off-site). Please note that the pirates do have a +1 armor bonus given that they are decently-equipped.

>this will be the last update, tonight - stay tuned!
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Rolled 17, 3 + 1 = 21 (2d20 + 1)

>>5747114
Death to pirates!
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Rolled 15, 18 + 6 = 39 (2d20 + 6)

>>5747114
Here goes
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>>5747144
>>5747150

Well, I’ll be damned. I’ll still wait for another roll but looks like Nikon is doing well here
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Rolled 8, 10 = 18 (2d20)

>>5747114
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Give me a damage roll, you beautiful anons!

dice+1d5+6
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Rolled 2 + 6 (1d5 + 6)

>>5747173
I just ate.
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>>5747173
I'll never get over the fact that Nikon's grazing blows are enough to kill normal men. Then again that applies to many heroes.
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>>5747213
>many heroes
Imagine the bragging rights of being able to survive a blow that would of killed another man 2 times over. Though, if we did somehow max out Nikon's constitution, he'd be sitting at HP- (26/26) which at that point makes me wonder what 1/26 HP would look like, is the guy just holding his own guts but somehow still alive?
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>>5747414
>>5747414 #
>which at that point makes me wonder what 1/26 HP would look like, is the guy just holding his own guts but somehow still alive?

Well, Cu chulainn tied himself to a rock with a rope and his own guts to not lose his Eye-to-eye combat, Divine, Moral, Intimidation and Weapon-range bonus, so there are precedents.
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Two lean pirates draw close over the port rowing benches, uneven and installed poorly, as Pollux and yourself confidently advance down the central aisle, the deck flooring stained with slapshod pitching. Several strides distant, a ring of leather-vested pirates wait with their ox-hide shields braced together – they clearly do not recognize Pollux, despite his signature skullcap, but the unmistakable aura of danger surrounding the pair of you gives them pause. Pollux is perhaps a stride ahead of you, angled to starboard towards another pair of oncoming pirates – they have the look of brothers; similar receding hairlines and short noses.

You strike first, as your pair of port-side pirates come into range – the closer of the two raises his shield, but it hardly matters – you simply drive the spear-point through the flimsy barrier, splitting the wood apart and driving the spearpoint deep into his chest. You miss the man’s heart, but the damage you produce in his upper chest is lethal all the same – he drops to the deck gasping soundlessly, flopping like a fish. Instead of withdrawing your spear entirely, you free your spearpoint from the tissue-like flesh and sweep your spear bluntly across the right shoulder of his companion – an awkward strike, but delivered with enough force to crack bone. The man cries out in agony, but manages to keep his spear raised.

To your side, Pollux once again moves slowly to react – practically vaunting in his lack of responsiveness. He waits for one of the brothers to step too closely before tearing out his throat with his spear-point, and then steps forward to deliver a powerful kick to the dying man, toppling him over the rowing bench, and causing his brother to stumble and fall, cracking his head against the bench edge in the process. The man is quick to stand, but blood flows from the scalp wound – he wails in rage and despair without breaking eye contact.

As this occurs, you see the grappling irons from your galley fly into view, fastening securely to the pirates' ships' rigging, benches and railings – a tight lock in multiple places! The grappling lines are drawn tightly together as your galley matches course, a death-grapple from which the pirates cannot escape. A volley of Salaminian ash flies into the assembled phalanx of enemy pirates, scoring many hits but no deaths - groans of agony flood the decks as the pirates do their best to stay together.

>cont
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Rolled 8 - 5 (1d20 - 5)

Without pause, a group of fifteen Salaminians charge across the joined decks, stirred to murderous violence between the shouts of Ajax and Andocides. The sailors hardly needed your assistance - they go about murdering the pirates with drilled efficiency, prying apart the enemy ranks with aplomb. From above, Teukros and Castor fire into the enemy phalanx from the sides, killing men at the edges of the enemy formation. Of the pirate crew of fifty, you guess that ten are killed in the first few moments of the battle, and about fifteen are wounded to various degrees. Their equipment and modicum of discipline is not enough to spare them – it is just short of a slaughter, but surprisingly, the pirates do not yet shatter. Of the enemy commander, the Cretan, you do not see him at all.

You spare a glance off at Menelaus’ galley, and what you see confuses you – the merchant galley pursuing the Menelaus’ galley is draped with long ropes in the rigging, but the ends of these drag in the sea – whatever gambit dreamed up by Odysseus must have failed, and the remaining vessel is now approaching to board Menelaus!

Your gold-flecked eyes flicker back to the splinter force of pirates facing you and Pollux , and they advanceto reinforce the surviving pair – they hope to drown you in bodies!

>okay, /qst/ - give me another dice+1d20+1 to see if Nikon is faster than these pirate bastards.
>I'll be rolling for Pollux seperately
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Rolled 14 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5747639
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Rolled 8, 1, 16, 12, 9, 11 - 6 = 51 (6d20 - 6)

>>5747649

Well, done anon! Nikon attacks again!

>players, give me THREE more rolls of dice+2d20. first roll with manual +1 to-hit bonus, second roll with +6 wound bonus, per Nikon's stats.

>I’ll be rolling for other aspects of the battle separately
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Rolled 7, 7 + 1 = 15 (2d20 + 1)

>>5747654
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Rolled 7, 4 = 11 (2d20)

>>5747654
Fuck pirates
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Rolled 10, 19 + 6 = 35 (2d20 + 6)

>>5747654
Guess I'll do the +6
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>>5747778
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>>5747778
That's going to cause a lot damage
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>>5747655
>>5747777
>>5747778

Nikon rolls a (11, 25) versus a (10, 6).

He can be surprisingly fast for a giant - let's see if Nikon can keep up with Pollux...

Okay, roll me another dice+1d5+6 for damage!
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Rolled 1 + 6 (1d5 + 6)

>>5747787
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>>5747790

Kek - Nikon's a bit wild but still gets the job done here.

Next update will be for 8-9pm EST tonight, in all likelihood.

Also - is anyone in contact with Lord Licorice? It seems like sup/tg/ does not like greek characters in thread titles and this thread does not appear in the archives despite me having archived it two separate times.

I did send him an email yesterday but no response yet.
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Pollux, finally discarding pretense, moves in a blur, delivering two lightning-fast thrusts against the oncoming pirates – his spearpoint obliterates an eye to pierce the brain behind, and spraying flecks of grey matter, the spear-point proceeds to bury itself into the guts of a second man before you can react, striking just below his leather jerkin. The second pirate, a young man of your age, desperately attempts to hold his wound closed, even as red blood seeps through his robes.

You jump forwards to deliver your own strike against one of your attackers, but you gauge the distance all wrong – your spearpoint bounces obliquely off the side of a grey-beard’s skull, collapsing it, rather than making direct contact. The older man drops to the ground, spasming – deaths like these can sometimes last for hours.

The resolve of the splinter force breaks at this – the work of two nobleman together has rendered half their number dead or wounded in a half-minute. They scramble past one another back to the amidships region, casting terrified glances behind them– Pollux restrains you, and gestures to the dying men before you, gold-flecked eyes cool with practicality:

“No surprises for later.” You follow his lead and take a few moments to tear out of the hearts of the men bleeding out on the irregular deck flooring.

You raise your eyes when you hear shouts of “Retreat!” and “To the foredecks!”
No doubt to the dismay of the splinter force, the main crew of the pirate vessel has broken at the exact same time as their arrival, and the crowd of them flees back to the bow of the ship – Salaminians picking off seven or ten of them as they flee with javelins, Teukros and Castor taking their fee from the pirates as well, dropping two more together. Surprisingly, it is something of a controlled retreat – and once out of effective javelin range, the surviving pirates spin and reform a passable phalanx of reduced size – a grouping of perhaps twenty survivors, only some of them nursing serious wounds.

To your expectation, Andocides calls for a moment's reorganization, rather than a headlong crash against the enemy – you join with the Salaminians amidships, adding your bronze barrier to the wall that is being assembled, shield by shield, as does Pollux. The Salaminians are hardly scratched – they trade grins behind their ox-hide shields.

There is a pause while Andocides is conferring with Prince Ajax – the groans of the dying pirates behind you, the waves slapping against the ships, are the only sounds you hear. The relative silence is pierced by the clear voice of the Cretan captain, emerging from behind the pirate’s phalanx.

“I am Marsaëres, grandson of King Gortys and nephew to Meriones of Crete! I ask for parley with the captain!”
You hear the thundering voice of Ajax from behind you –

“Speak then, Marsaëres – and know that you are speaking with Ajax Telamonios, of Salamis!”

>cont
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Rolled 16 + 3 (1d20 + 3)

The Cretan continues, stepping forward from amongst his phalanx - you make out the hidden outlines of bronze armor beneath his pirate's robes - perhaps he is who he says he is? He shouts to be heard over the rolling seas:

“We have suffered grievous losses to you and yours – our battle is lost. My uncle will pay a rich ransom for me, Prince Ajax – I offer bloodless surrender to you in return, all the substance and Timae of this ship’s hold, and in return, will provide you with proof of my ancestry!” To your ear, the plea sounds a desperate gambit, only one step above shameful begging.

“Spare my men, and I also will tell what I know of the pirates of the Cyclades – there is much that is unknown to Salamis and Mycenae!”

>Marsaëres rolls an 18 vs Ajax's 12, wins his persuasion attempt with 2 degrees of success

There is a long pause, before Ajax calls back, resolutely -

"I accept your surrender, Marsaëres. As for your men, my hold is already full of unwanted slaves. You brought doom upon your men, not I, when you attacked sacred envoys*. Order them to stand down, and I will grant them a swift death."

Marsaëres, wasting no time, leaps forward from his crew, throwing down his javelins and swordbelt - he is quickly arrested by Salaminians, who proceed to strip his bronze armor from him. Naked and hooded, he is marched into the hold of the galley for imprisonment.

The slaughter of the remaining pirates is a brief affair - most do not resist, retaining their manful dignity, baring their chests for the fatal blow. Two cowards attempt to swim to safety, and these are picked off by Teukros, from his position on high.

Pillaging of the vessel proper is interrupted before it can truly begin - in the distance, the pirate vessel that had been accosting Menelaus' galley has unexpectedly broken off its attack, reversed course and has lowered its sails - it's now rowing against the wind, back to your galley, trailed by Menelaus's ship, which is slow to follow and losing position by the second. Your irritation with these pirates begins to surge - can't they see that you are a superior force?

Ajax and the Salaminians release the grappling hooks, setting the pirate's ship adrift for now, and you beat a retreat to your own galley. Pollux claps you on the shoulder as you return to the stern deck oars - saying nothing, but his grin communicating that you had performed well. He ascends to the bow-deck with Castor, as Ajax roars:

"Let us finish this - they come to disable us before their escape!"

>players, roll me a dice+1d20+10 for ship initiative - final round of naval combat
>this encounter has gone on longer than I wanted but a series of unexpected rolls has occurred.
*My understanding is that diplomatic envoys enjoyed special status in LBA Hellas, and it was considered a grave offense to molest or kill them. Of course, the pirates didn't stop to ask before attacking, but that's their problem.
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Rolled 9 + 10 (1d20 + 10)

>>5748200
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Lol
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>>5748203
Lmao, it's a tie
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>>5748203
>>5748209

Tie goes to the MC in Homer’s system, so in this case, Ajax benefits from Nikandros’s very minimal plot armor and wins.

Next update will probably be Tuesday, unfortunately - I have a truly horrendous day at work tomorrow and unlikely that I’ll be in the position to write an update.
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Man, I know that Palamedes, Menelaus, and Odysseus aren't exactly warriors like on our boat, but how have they failed to take down one ship on their own? Has Odysseus been absorbing Nikon's bad luck?
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>>5748363
>Palamean do shit
>Odickeus HAVE to try overshadow everything both him and Menelaus does
>Menelaus do what he can, but is still coping about losing The best looking woman ever to some shithead to focus on the battle

This is what happens when your team is made up of two idiots, one an self-centred asshole and the other a psychopath ploting to kill the aforementioned, as well as a low morale leader.

Meanwhile, in the Bro team...
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>>5748418
Some Id, Superego, and Ego nonsense going on that ship. Probably be used by a future psychologist as an example.
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>>5748423
Palamuppet is arguing with Odypshit over the best plan, meanwhile Memeloud is just telling the captain to sail them closer so he can stab them with his spear.

Fun fact, Menelaus has a famous shield. Big round fuckin' thing. Must be heavy as shit. He's a beefy old man. Ajax also has a famous shield. A huge fucking thing with seven layers of hide and a layer of bronze. I bet you could count on one hand the number of people who could effectively use that thing other than Ajax himself.
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>>5748432
>Fun fact, Menelaus has a famous shield. Big round fuckin' thing. Must be heavy as shit.

Why all the important guys Nikon have to save have the best loot?

...

Now that i think about it, kinda make sense
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>>5748363

To be fair, off-screen, Menelaus, Odysseus and Palamedes decided that they were going to be stalling for time and basically give the "Ship of Chads" time to pick off some of the enemy vessels, and collectively Ajax and co have done an excellent job of this, although they did fail to capsize the enemy vessel like they had hoped to.

Obviously it helped that one of the ships panicked and fled, rather than duke it out with you guys.

>>5748432

>menelaus' shield

Hmm, do you mean the shield of Euphorbus that Menolaus' loots when he kills Euphorbus in the the Iliad? I'm not familiar with him having a legendary shield prior to this. Please clarify and I can correct his character sheet!
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>>5748510
>Hmm, do you mean the shield of Euphorbus that Menolaus' loots when he kills Euphorbus in the the Iliad? I'm not familiar with him having a legendary shield prior to this.
I have no idea. It's probably that one. I learned it many years ago so the details are lost on me. All I remember is that it was made of bronze and pretty big.
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I should be able to call for rolls sometime tomorrow afternoon, stay tuned everyone.

Also, if you're interested in helping /qst/ advertise on other boards, check out the /qtg/. some anons are putting together a more serious effort with custom ads for /qst/ there.
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Rolled 5, 8, 20, 15, 12, 10 = 70 (6d20)

Tearing at the water with your oars, you sweep your oars in reverse at Ajax’s command, even as the uncrewed pirate vessel, sails lowered, drifts apart from the galley. It takes you a moment to understand Ajax’s plan – you’ve been caught at a relative standstill, and the wind is still absent. Under these conditions, to maneuver your galley out of the way of an approaching ramming attack would be difficult at best. Instead, Ajax guides the ship rearwards – he is using the uncrewed pirate vessel as a barrier!

The final hostile merchant’s vessel approaches quickly – you sense that these pirates are the best sailors of the lot, their oarwork coordinated and clean, but the enemy captain is no doubt frustrated by Ajax’s tactics – the enemy vessel veers left and right as it rushes towards you, perhaps hoping that Ajax will take the bait. You risk a glance behind you – Ajax’s open palm is displayed clearly, rest oars, hold position, and Andocides is quick to echo the command.
You’re close enough to see that the final pirate vessel has a figurehead of its own – a nymph or nereid of some kind carefully laid upon the prow, painted brightly. The vessel is drawing near to the uncrewed vessel, but Ajax’s tactics have rendered the ramming impotent – your galley is squarely behind the barrier, with its dead crew floating in the sea as a reminder of your victory only minutes earlier.

On the stern deck of the approaching enemy vessel, you see a lithe figure in gleaming bronze, and to your surprise, you hear the figure calling out to your galley.

“I am Kyrtios of Phylakopi, Achaeans – this pack was under my command! Offer up a yearling to Ελεος, daimon of compassion, as she brings tranquility to my heart and mind, and has spared you this day! We will meet again – pray that this day does not come soon!” You shake your head – the pirate captain is a blowhard, an idiot or both, having masterminded the destruction or desertion of three-quarters of his force. It’s Κοαλεμος* that has his hand on Kyrtios’ shoulder.

Ajax makes no shouted response, as the pirates pass by – you look behind your shoulder to see that his fist is now closed, his arm raised straight – approach for grappling irons!. Beneath his gleaming helm, his face is granite - it seems that Ελεος has not visited with Lord Ajax. Andocides, taking the hint, sprints back and forth along the central axis of the deck on his bowed legs to ensure that all Salaminians are heeding Ajax’s silent command.

You’re only too eager to lend your strength to the maneuver – Ares Manslaughterer stirs your heart and puts the taste of copper on your tongue. The day is not over yet!

>okay players, give me three rolls of dice+2d20+10 to determine the success of the last grappling effort.
>I'm rolling for Kyrtios' crew - first three rolls are for ship dodging at a +3 bonus, second three rolls are ship blocking for a +6 bonus
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Rolled 12, 3 + 10 = 25 (2d20 + 10)

>>5749356
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Also, what do you guys think about this banner advertisement?

I was wondering whether someone might be willing to spend the $20 to put this ad on /his/ and /lit/ and bring in new players, although I appreciate that this is a big ask.
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Rolled 15, 4 + 10 = 29 (2d20 + 10)

>>5749356
I think the banner ad is worth a try, but am of course sceptical
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here's an alternate banner
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>>5749366

Hard to gauge the probability of success, I agree, but I don't think anyone on /qtg/ has ever really tried to advertise before, frankly.
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Rolled 9, 13 = 22 (2d20)

>>5749356
You are back!

>>5749361
>>5749368

I like the alternative, but I don't know if the word Kleos will attract curious or just confuse them.
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>>5749377

Hmm, maybe better to use “glory” then, will have to make a new version later to tonight.

>>5749360
>>5749366
>>5749377

Ajax’s galley rolls a 25, 23 vs Kyrtios’s rolls of 23 and 21.

>Narrow success on both fronts, one pair of grappling hooks is attached firmly!

Update post will be out later tonight at 8pm EST
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>>5749384
I fear that ad banners may only bring trolls,
Instead a discreet post on tangently related threads may get a better kind of attention.
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Your galley leaps forward in the water, powered by Salaminian oarstrokes and your own massive frame – starting from a relative standstill, the Salaminian ship is unable to match speeds with Kyrtios’ vessel, but your craft doesn’t need to… only to move quickly enough to provide a window of opportunity. Golden Syros, somewhat further away than before, dappled by passing cloud-shadows, peers over the sea to observe the naval struggle.

Grappling hooks sail through the air – you frown as the majority are underthrown, falling into the churning wake of the pirate’s craft. One, however, stays fast – it must have wedged deeply into the stern deck flooring, and another seems to fall into the enemy’s stern-ward rowing benches, probably becoming enmeshed amongst the chipping boards. The lines are drawn tight - a good latch!

Even with your galley powering ahead, oars slinging you all forwards, there’s a tremendous jolting as Kyrtios’ vessel strains against the heavy grappling lines – you hear cries of alarm as the pirates are thrown from their benches by the sudden change in velocity. In the chaos, Ajax’s firm hand on the tiller is able to steer the galley into a temporary alignment on the pirate’s port-side – perhaps time enough for a single boarding party to jump across to the enemy decks, before the enemy sailors attack the lines with knives and swords, or chop at the wooden boards directly to free the iron grappling hooks.

Andocides’ husky voice barks out to the crew – “We won’t have long, form up!”

You leap off your own bench, but not before you see Ajax rush past you, wielding an enormous shield, clearly of excellent quality – his role as a naval captain now cast aside, given that this is the last remaining pirate vessel. In the distance, Pollux leaps agilely onto the galley deck, charging to meet Ajax. At first, you expect that Ajax will take command of the Salaminian boarders directly, but as you approach the central deck, he surprises you. A growing battalion of Salaminians is forming with shields raised, and you hear him speaking brusquely in hushed tones– all present listening carefully, despite facing towards the pirate vessel with their shields raised.

>cont
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Rolled 11, 11, 6 = 28 (3d20)

“- I will charge directly to the rear of the vessel and defend the grappling hooks! Andocides, you must take command of the galley and the rowers, and ensure that the ships travel together – we must not be separated! Boarding party, you are now under the command of Lord Nikandros! Take no risks, hold the line together and grind them down! Let Teukros and Castor work from afar!” You notice that Pollux is absent from Ajax’s commands – perhaps he is unwilling to directly command one of the Dioscuri, or that Pollux is unlikely to listen?

Head and shoulders above the Salaminians, you see the pirates quickly assembling themselves, picking themselves off the deck and gathering their arms and armor. They are armed well, their shields are well-cared for, despite mismatched origins - their equipment perhaps even equal in quality to the Salaminians.

You heft your own spear and shield and take your position amongst the boarders. Pollux fastens himself to the bow-side edge of the Salaminian shieldwall, preparing to join you. Ajax catches your eye for a brief moment; his bushy eyebrows lowered, bearded face stern.

“Follow your orders, Nikandros…”

Giving you no time to respond, he roars, [i]”Salaminians, BOARD!”[/i]

You leap across the gap between decks, first to touch the converted merchant vessel, and find an enemy phalanx waiting, shields braced, spearpoints high!

>okay, players – give me a dice+1d20+1 roll for Nikandros! I’m also rolling for Salaminian (-2 bonus), Pirate (-2 bonus), and Pollux (+3 bonus) initiatives in this order for visibility purposes. No boarding bonus will be applied given that only one set of grappling hooks is present – just enough to make the attempt. Ajax, Teukros and Castor will be handled separately given that they’re up to other tasks.

>also, I need one roll of dice+1d24 for Nikandros as well!
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>>5749591

You might be right but I’m going to give it a shot, I think
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Rolled 1 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5749614
Can we get an 11 to match the other two? Nay
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Rolled 5 (1d24)

>>5749625
Well... you technically got that 11. I'll roll the d24.
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Alright, time to start abstaining from rolls again.
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Rolled 2 (1d20)

>>5749614
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Rolled 20, 8 = 28 (2d20)

Board a enemy ship without notifying anyone
>High roll

Board a enemy ship by Ajax orders
>1

Rolling, first our roll as our rebel, sympatic self, second as our loyal soldier self
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>>5749633
Welcome to the club
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>>5749638
The gods giveth and the gods taketh. And taketh. And dammit stop takething you rats.
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>>5749625
>jump alone like a chad
>Good rolls slaughter pirates and saves slaves.

>suddenly put in command of a battalion of men.
>strategic brain fart, half of them fall overboard

The dice gods laugh at your specialization Nikos
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>>5749644
At least if we ever get to command on a strategic sense rather than a tactical one, we can skip over logistics. Which is how wars are won. Small blessings. Bet Aristonax and doesn't know how to keep a baggage train going.
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>>5749714
Aristonax probably thinks that starving builds character and his soldiers would be sharper if they fight while fasting.
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What do you guys think about this one? It's obviously meant for a broader audience

Update will be out momentarily
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>>5749844
It needs a call to action, I think it makes it more impactful.
Maybe add a "come join Trojan War Quest"?
"The High King calls"?
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>>5749854

What about this? Still too subtle?
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>>5749861
It works, the extra reference is nice.
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Rolled 5, 2, 11, 1, 16, 12, 9, 19, 7, 10, 4, 9 = 105 (12d20)

You fall into the moment – the vise of your mind, only somewhat weakened by your concussion, moves to its true calling – the strategic deployment of violence. The enemy phalanx is about fifty strong, in a loose double-lined format. They clearly expect to wrap around your forces, press down upon you with superior numbers, and drown you in spearpoints. You immediately order the Salaminians to advance slowly and spread themselves widely, to deny the likely wrapping action. Already, jabbing feints being traded for true lunges - tests of each other's resolve and quickness converted into pain and suffering.

You consider the hostile crew, as you step slowly forwards.

Their first error – they have organized themselves on the central axis, for ease of travel, but this has denied them the chance to drive you and your fellow assailants off the vessel at the first possible moment. They offered you purchase upon their ship freely – even as a boy, you would have avoided this first mistake at all cost. The same formation also allowed Prince Ajax to jaunt merrily to the stern deck area, where he defends the grappling irons. A crucial mistake that creates all the following.

Their second error – they have placed the entirety of their force into the formation. They have no reserve, no missile support. They are flankable.

The third error – they have forgotten that there are other means of ambulation aboard the vessel – the hold is apparently undefended, and there’s not one, but two trap-doors into the hold at your left and right sides, within easy reach.

The fourth error – their captain, Kyrtios – is nowhere to be found. He is out of sight, and therefore is unable to respond to the changing conditions on the battlefield. His men are left to make what success they can without the benefit of a commander. This last concerns you most.

All this is clear to you the moment that your sandals come to rest upon the rolling deck. Victory here is all but assured – it is simply a question of time and casualties suffered. Buttressing this knowledge is the simple truth that no band of commoners could hope to stop Prince Ajax, yourself and Pollux, once having entered the fray, in addition to two talented archers at your back. Even beyond this, Menelaus is en route with a contingent of Lacedaemonian warriors – fine Spartans who will add their numbers to your own.

Which raises the question – where is Kyrtios? His absence is a deception of some kind – you’re certain of it. The men around you prowl forwards, hunting for blood, and Pollux steps adroitly into danger. You cannot move – not yet – there is some mystery afoot here. What you would you do in Kyrtios’ position?

“Nikandros!” Pollux howls to you, breaking your train of thought. “This is the part where you start barking orders!”

>cont

>I'm rolling for the following:
>salaminians (+5/+5), pirates 1(-2/-2), pollux (+3/+3), pirates 2 (-2/-2)
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Rolled 7, 9, 19, 17, 17, 12, 17, 1, 18, 6, 17, 19 = 159 (12d20)

>>5749875

And another batch for the wound rolls
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>>5749875
>>5749879

>to summarize

>salaminians roll 16, 25
>pirates roll a 14,15
>Pollux rolls a 22, 21
>pirates 2 rolls a 8, 17

>I'm probably not going to do this every time but wanted you guys to see that I'm really rolling for each aspect of the battle behind the scenes.

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Pollux's words ringing in your ears, you're alarmed to find that you've been outpaced - lost in your analysis, you've moved too slowly and are now somewhat isolated on the deck!

To your surprise, you see two pirates crawl out of the trap-door on the bow-side of the ship, and they immediately launch a sloppy attack at you - you're forced to retreat awkwardly with your shield raised!

>players, give me three rolls of dice+3d20. Manual +1 bonus for dodge, manual +5 to block (+2 for CON, +3 for Nikon's bronze panoplia/shield)
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Rolled 2, 2, 14 + 1 = 19 (3d20 + 1)

>>5747101
This is me.
>>5749881
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>>5749881
>>5749896

Ah, shit, I meant three rolls of dice+2d20, sorry anon, could you roll again?
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Rolled 13, 1 = 14 (2d20)

>>5749881
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Rolled 12, 1 + 1 = 14 (2d20 + 1)

>>5749897
Ight
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>>5749912
>>5749897
Was I supposed to add the bonus? I feel retarded.
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>>5749917

Nah, you’re good. You can’t add two different bonii anyways for Nikon (he has different dodge and block bonii) so I think better to roll flat d20s and then we can apply the bonii manually
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Rolled 13, 2 = 15 (2d20)

>>5749897
B
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>>5749907
>>5749912
>>5749933

>Nikon successfully dodges!

The pirates charging you, unlike the well-groomed men above, are scrawny and ragged - you immediately classify them as vermin, hardly posing a legitimate threat to you. You delay your shouted orders to the Salaminians, lumbering backwards heavily, stepping over a row of benches - nimble enough for a man of your size, the motion puts you safely outside the reach of their smaller javelins. Leaping wildly, the scruffy pair of raiders before you jab at the empty air a cubit in front of your chest and face. They are off-balanced, squinting against the sun-light, wobbling on the deck in between undisciplined thrusts. You conclude that they are probably half-drunk on stolen wine, given their wild hoots of exclamation - they are apparently undaunted by their completely ineffectual attack on yourself.

The boarding rush by the Salaminians is successful - already, wounds have blossomed behind the leather jerkins of Kyrtios' crew, although none of the pirates fall to Salaminian bronze. They are tougher, leaner, harder than the vagrants you had faced earlier in the day - they hold fast against the disciplined thrusts delivered by the men of Salamis. Teukros and Castor, once again elevated on the galley stern and fore-decks, take their archer's fee against the pirates - two arrows sprouting from the thigh and neck of two pirates on the flanks of the enemy phalanx.

Pollux is a blur, knocking aside shields and spears, prying apart the bow-end of the enemy shield-wall with ferocity and vigor - he lances through the heart of a pirate in one moment, and then spits his companion through the liver before the first falls. You're beginning to be envious of his spear-play and control...

>cont
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>>5749944

As for Ajax, true to his word, he has planted himself atop the stern deck of the enemy, and you catch glimpses of him batting away thrown javelins with his enormous shield, and stomping the grappling irons further into the soft, pitched pinewood of the ship itself.

In this brief moment of respite, you order the Salaminians to -

>Nikon's first commands in battle! Please note that these options provide a mechanical benefit to troop combat actions, they AREN'T just flavor-text.

>cohere into a tight configuration – the turtle’s shell, upon the port-side central deck. The plan would maximize defense, minimize casualties, and allow Castor and Teukros to fire into the enemy pirates with impunity. Additionally, retreat back to the galley would be easy to perform. The price of this safety is that offensive action is hampered by the tight quarters. This plan would adhere best to Ajax’s orders to “grind them down” until Menelaus' forces arrive, currently stadia away.

>sweep towards the bow of the ship in shield-wall formation, forcing the enemy to rotate along their axis, and exposing their backs to Teukros and Castor. Under such conditions, your own backs would be towards the bow of the ship, risking ambush, if there is one present. This would represent a medium-risk strategy that would provide a balanced offensive/defensive profile and could end the skirmish quickly – a loose interpretation of Ajax’s orders, but perhaps a necessary revision?

>order a headlong crash against the pirates, attempting to dislodge them from the central deck and push them over the starboard railing, into the sea. With yourself and Pollux as dual hammers, you may be able to break their resolve, trigger a panic, and bring an end to this fight before it can truly begin. Needless to say, this is a high-risk strategy that may lead to grievous harm against your forces, and cripple your galley’s crew for the remainder of the voyage to Ilion. A complete violation of Ajax’s orders, but perhaps he would treasure swift victory over the gamble itself.

>request that Pollux go below-decks to hunt for Kyrtios – the enemy captain is missing and needs to be located. Sending Pollux alone means that you will go without his assistance on the main deck, but he is a very capable warrior, being one of the famed Dioscuri. Of course, you have also gained a sense of his character - he is not one to stop and think carefully before engaging in a course of action, and an unpredictable man.

>Something else I haven't thought of?
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>>5749949
>sweep towards the bow of the ship in shield-wall formation, forcing the enemy to rotate along their axis, and exposing their backs to Teukros and Castor. Under such conditions, your own backs would be towards the bow of the ship, risking ambush, if there is one present. This would represent a medium-risk strategy that would provide a balanced offensive/defensive profile and could end the skirmish quickly – a loose interpretation of Ajax’s orders, but perhaps a necessary revision?
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>>5749949
>cohere into a tight configuration – the turtle’s shell, upon the port-side central deck. The plan would maximize defense, minimize casualties, and allow Castor and Teukros to fire into the enemy pirates with impunity. Additionally, retreat back to the galley would be easy to perform. The price of this safety is that offensive action is hampered by the tight quarters. This plan would adhere best to Ajax’s orders to “grind them down” until Menelaus' forces arrive, currently stadia away.
Did we want to be on Ajax's good side?
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Also, I'm planning on posting that mobile ad I had made on /his/, /lit/, /tg/, /vrpg/ and maybe /int/

It might turn this thread into a total mess, hard to know. If it gets totally out of control, I'll wait for things to die down and then repost the thread in a day or two.

To be honest, it might be sort of fun! Wish me luck anons!
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>>5749949
>(something else) Form a shield wall, but overload the right flank in an attempt to flank or fold the pirate's line from their less defended left. Position Pullox and Nikandros on our own weakened left.

Trying to be creative, but let me know if I'm overthinking.
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>>5749964

Military write-ins are strongly encouraged, given that this is Nikon’s strength. This seems entirely plausible to me anon
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>>5749964
>>5749949
+1 support.

Wasn't the whole advantage to Nikon taking the military genisu trait being that we could do our own write-in's and actual advanced tactics? Because we should be using and abusing the shit out of that at every opportunity
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>>5749964
This
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>>5749954
>>5749964
>>5749949
Changing my vote to the write in.
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>>5749949
>>5749964
+1
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>>5749964
But won't this have the same results as shifting the line on their axis anyway?
(But being portside/left this wouldn't expose the pirates to our archers, however teukros would be able to cover our back)

I'm voting for:
>sweep towards the bow of the ship in shield-wall formation, forcing the enemy to rotate along their axis, and exposing their backs to Teukros and Castor. Under such conditions, your own backs would be towards the bow of the ship, risking ambush, if there is one present. This would represent a medium-risk strategy that would provide a balanced offensive/defensive profile and could end the skirmish quickly – a loose interpretation of Ajax’s orders, but perhaps a necessary revision?

But adding to ask pollux to hunt the enemy captain below deck
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>>5750094

It's a similarish strategy, yes, but I'm interpreting the write-in to mean that the Nikon and co would be attempting to gain control over the entire stern of the ship, and the maneuver would end with them facing bow-wards. This would mean that Ajax would be overseeing the rear of your force from his position on the stern of the ship.

Castor would have a more difficult firing position from the galley stern, so he would likely spend a turn traveling up to Teukros' position on the fore-decks. Teukros would have a clear line of sight on the enemy's new position from his position on the galley fore-decks, though.

Basically, I would view this as a smart modification of the middle option and assign bonuses as appropriate.
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>>5749861
Kek nice
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>>5749953
Changing my vote to support this
>>5749964
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>>5749960
Lesches, did you advertise it on /qst/ too? Because I went to check if some of the quests I follow had updated while on a bathroom break and it showed up for me.
Seems a bit counter-intuitive to advertise to people that probably would already know about it.
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>>5750317
Good news is that it showed up for me on /tg/ too
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>>5749964
THIS IS ME, NOT A VOTE
>>5750094
>>5750143
You have the right of it Lesches. My thought process was along the lines of taking advantage of the fact in hopilte warfare they wear their shields on the right hand, so the left flank is less defended. Go for some kind of envelopment with a rapid, precision deployment of violence with two heros to anchor our own left. Hopefully that makes sense.
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>>5750317

Yes, but it is insanely cheap (like literally cents for thousands of views) to advertise on a smaller board like /qst/, and I’m only advertising here to encourage other QMs and players to consider something similar.

>>5750324

Nice I understand exactly what you mean, thanks for clarifying. Also thanks for the new Nikon image, haven’t seen that one before
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>>5750324
Me again, at work now.
>>5750366
I was messing around with the art generator again when I saw this quest return. I have a folder full of this stuff.
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>>5750373
Put it all somewhere when you get back home and link it here.
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I miss the ancient titty posting anon
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>>5750376
Ight
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Good evening Lesches. I thought I'd come over and say hi here, since it felt slightly more personal. I wouldn't mind the ad campaign, though I am poor and I can't draw worth a shit, I wouldn't mind seeing this board getting more traction since it is a niche hobby on a niche board ! So if there's anyway that I can help, I am willing to do it.
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Rolled 4, 18, 1, 3, 6, 14 = 46 (6d20)

Even your currently-dulled mind is capable of flashes of inspiration – you see clearly how you must reposition the enemy phalanx, driving them back towards the bow of the ship. By redirecting the second line of the left flank, you will send a wave of Salaminian shields pushing vigorously against the pirate’s own left flank, as you and Pollux stand guard. This accomplishes several goals –

First, such an approach provides a means of escape to the enemy – never box in the enemy, or they will fight to their dying breath. Always provide a means of withdrawal. These lessons from Argyros, and many more besides, are branded onto the walls of your heart. The pirates will likely comply without a commander to see the danger.

Second, this maneuver will continue to provide an angle of missile attack upon the enemy, although you anticipate that Castor will likely need to change position to the bow-deck, alongside Teukros. Additionally, these talented archers will better able to pick off any half-starved ruffians emerging from the hold.

Third, by claiming the stern-half of the ship, you will likely release Ajax from his guard duty over the grappling hooks – he will no doubt advance up the central axis of the deck once he sees the opportunity. Risk-averse he may be, he will not sit idly by and wait for his crewmen to win the battle without him. Already, you have gained a sense of his preferred battle tactics – solid, dependable, time-worn strategies. He may not be capable of flashes of brilliance, like you, but perhaps he has no need – the enormous shield he carries is genius enough.

You estimate that the pirates will break in two more minutes of battle - perhaps less, given that they've been bloodied already. Menelaus will almost certainly miss the engagement.

You roar out your orders in a staccato, catching the bedraggled, half-drunk pirates in front of you by surprise – they flinch at the sound of your youthful baritone. The Salaminians shout back in acknowledgement, beginning to rearrange, and you take a moment to signal Pollux with your spear – will you join me? you ask, by tilting your crested helm. A nod from the blonde man in return.

You turn back towards the pirates – you do not hate them, not truly.

You pity them. You heft your spearhaft and prepare to strike out at them!


>okay, players, I need three rolls of dice+2d20. Manual +1 to-hit bonus, manual +6 wound bonus, per Nikon’s stats.

>I’m rolling for the druk pirates, they have a -2/-2 dodge/block bonus. Poor guys.
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>>5750418

Thanks for stopping by! Maybe see if any of your players would be willing to sponsor the ad buy? Check out /qtg/ for details
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Rolled 5, 19 = 24 (2d20)

>>5750466
Damn, they dodge hard. Our only weakness.
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Rolled 14, 12 = 26 (2d20)

>>5750466
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Rolled 5, 11 = 16 (2d20)

>>5750466
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>>5750484
>>5750485
>>5750490

>Nik rolls a 15, 25 against a 16,12
>the wine-fueled ragamuffins trip and stumble out of the way of a bone-crushing sweep, but the Keres will take them sooner or later…

Update later tonight at 9pm or so, I have to do some rolling for all of other characters first.
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>>5749844
>>5749861
/lit/ anon here. saw the banner, clicked it, was duly impressed.
I'm an inexperienced quester, but excited to contribute once I have lurked moar
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>>5750536

Welcome aboard, anon! Tell your friends about this place
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>>5750536
Oh shit, it's actually working?
Welcome to Nikon's rock throwing adventure, were the giant tactical genius wins at board games and screams at rivers!
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>>5750537
Here from the /tg/ ad. Used to lurk in the OG threads, and I have to say I like this writing style too. I like how you expressed the Military Genius feat in writing, felt good to go all discombobulate on some pirates.
It's good to be back.
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>>5750627

we're getting the fucking band back together lads
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If only Homer were here to see it
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>>5750686

I'm only running this quest until he returns, anon. All things in due time.
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You grit your teeth in frustration as your spearpoint flashes out to deliver the killing blow…but misses the gaunt face of the pirate you had been driving the pitiless bronze towards. Through pure bad luck, he managed to stumble to the side at the exact moment your spearhead would have pierced his brainpan – he has the gall to cackle at his good fortune, even as he is toppling to the uneven deck. His companion is hardly more gracious, offering you several uncouth taunts about your parentage, which he apparently believes to be partly oxen.

You prepare yourself for a second spearthrust, but wince in disgust as an arrow whistles over your shoulder, striking the haggard man directly in the face – the sound is unpleasant, like an overripe apple striking stone, and the man’s death throws are the jittering kind that sets your nerves on edge. His companion, a pale, filthy man of Perrhaebian descent, stares blankly at his fallen friend in confusion, motionless until Teukros delivers an arrow into his upper back, directly through the leather jerkin, and piercing his lung. Choking, he falls into unconsciousness and sinks to the pine below. Both men having perished, they cease to matter to you – you forget their faces without a second thought. Without turning, you raise your spear in salute of your archers. You hear the testy call of Castor over the slapping waves and crash of battle –

“Don’t make this a habit, Thessalian!”

Shaking your head, you move to join the Salaminian formation - they are prompt, organized and are already pushing against the enemy phalanx with aplomb. The pirates, better trained than their counterparts, fight tooth and nail against the onslaught, but simply can’t match the coordination, rhythm and pace set by Ajax’s best – the spearpoints are driven relentlessly at legs, ankles, shoulders and necks. The men of Salamis drive them like fly-bitten oxen back towards the bow, and never do the men needlessly attack the fullness of the enemy’s oxhide shields, always jabbing carefully - picking them apart. The raiders are slowing, through fatigue and blood loss – only a handful have been killed, but the wounds are piling up quickly. Put simply, your forces are winning, and your maneuver has been a success, although not a crushing triumph. Pollux, half-asleep in boredom once more, steps casually over rowing benches and around smears of blood, scanning for the weak links in the enemy shieldwall – until he pounces, a lion falling upon a heedless flock of sheep. In a show of trained spearmanship, he wedges his spear-tip into the top of a pirate’s foot, waits for him to pull his shield away from his neck, and then punctures him directly through the throat.

You’re pleased at the current state of affairs – the Salaminians practically unwounded, the enemy blooded and in poor positioning, and the archers with a clear line of sight against their prey.

Not every battle goes so smoothly.

>cont
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Scanning the ship decks out of caution, you think you see a brazen chariot moving out of the corner of your eye – a clearer look reveals that Ajax is approaching! Your success in battlefield positioning has drawn him forth from the stern grappling hooks – he’ll be present on the front lines momentarily. In the distance, Menelaus' vessel is drawing closer, only a few minutes away - hampered by his crew's relative inexperience in sailing, Menelaus has been making only slow progress.

Seeing no need to adjust battlefield strategy, you consider your own next move –

>Search the hold for Kyrtios, enemy captain. It concerns you that he is not present as he should be – an unknown is a liability. If this vote wins, Nikandros will also ask Ajax for permission to take leave of the battle on the main deck, and then move into the hold using one of the nearby trap doors.

>Stay amongst the Salaminians and assist Ajax and Pollux in the breaking of the enemy forces. Their resolve is fraying – you can sense it behind the stress in their battlefield shouting, and in the vile curses they are hurling at your companions.

>Something else I haven't thought of?
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>>5750703
>Stay amongst the Salaminians and assist Ajax and Pollux in the breaking of the enemy forces. Their resolve is fraying – you can sense it behind the stress in their battlefield shouting, and in the vile curses they are hurling at your companions.
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>>5750703
>Stay amongst the Salaminians and assist Ajax and Pollux in the breaking of the enemy forces. Their resolve is fraying – you can sense it behind the stress in their battlefield shouting, and in the vile curses they are hurling at your companions.
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>>5750703
>Stay amongst the Salaminians and assist Ajax and Pollux in the breaking of the enemy forces. Their resolve is fraying – you can sense it behind the stress in their battlefield shouting, and in the vile curses they are hurling at your companions.
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>>5750703
>Search the hold for Kyrtios
He’s up to something. Hopefully nothing too crazy like setting the ship on fire
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>>5750703
Could we chuck those couple corpses not contained in the enemy blob onto the tops of one or both of the hatches? It may not stop anyone below from coming up, but it'll slow them down.

Hopefully that prick isn't down there trying to set the ship on fire or something equally crazy.
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>>5750698
>offering you several uncouth taunts about your parentage, which he apparently believes to be partly oxen.
Considering that this is a world where Zeus had the shape of a swan and mated with Leda, resulting in two eggs, one containing Helen and the other being the Dioscuri, the pirate might not be wrong.
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>>5750733
>>5750734
Eeh, I'll change my vote. Wonder what he's up to.
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>>5750752
I hope not, we have a grudge with deities that like to show up as bulls.
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>>5750752

There’s a surprisingly high number of myths relating that “men” are not one race, but sort of a divine free-for-all where Prometheus creates a man or race of men, and then a bunch of other groups of men are created or spring out of the earth, etc etc. Achilles’ Myrmidons are supposed to be ants that were transformed into men, for example, and they wear the ant-helms as a homage to this…
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>>5750703
>>Search the hold for Kyrtios, enemy captain.

>congratulate the soldiers for their good performance, raising morale is always good.

>>5750737
>Could we chuck those couple corpses not contained in the enemy blob onto the tops of one or both of the hatches? It may not stop anyone below from coming up, but it'll slow them down.

I like this too
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>>5750376
I created a dropbox folder with all the images I've generated.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/dr68oiammgsz44jh1avlw/h?rlkey=6cf6dew1p72rtbwifwvv13v5r&dl=0

Let me know if it's fucked up. I've never used dropbox.
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>>5750899
It worked for me.
Also Nikon the tri-handed made me laugh
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>>5751090
>"Ship!"
>"Orders, Lord Ajax?"
>"Initiate the ramming protocols, I want you to target those pirates."
>"Understood, Lord Ajax. Aligning course and adjusting the Salaminian rowers to maximum power."
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Stay amongst the Salaminians

>>5750717
>>5750719

Time to hunt down Kyrtios

>>5750734
>>5750755
>>5750828



Blocking the hatches with bodies as you go is smart and will be included in the search for Kyrtios if this option wins.

Looks like a tied vote so far, lurkers come forth to make your desires known!
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>>5750703
>>Search the hold for Kyrtios, enemy captain.

lurkerman reporting for duty
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>>5751157

Gracias, anon.

Vote will close tonight at 6pm EST but very helpful to know which direction to start writing in…
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>>5751170
>Gracias, anon.

Ala verga cabron carajo, no me asustes asi loco, la concha de la lora
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>>5746202
I haven’t been in a /qst/ thread since the board was split off from /tg/. I saw your banner and was unable to resist coming over to peruse. It’s been riveting so far. Please keep it going and hopefully this board (which was initially a very sound Idea) will see a renaissance
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>>5751241
Make sure to go through the archives and the side story as well, Lesches has done an incredible job in picking up after Homer
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Roll for Roman conquest of the Aegean
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Rolled 2 (1d2)

Lord Ajax approaches and provides you with a simple nod of approval – a glimmer of reappraisal in his eyes. You’ve delivered him what he asked, and furthermore, provided him an opportunity to enter the fray himself – no proud Aiakides would be contented to sit above the fray when he could be justly piercing the hearts of lesser men, defending his crew from harm in the process. Not to mention – the man is reputed to be a student of Chiron himself, and all men who receive such legendary instruction are fearsome combatants. He is almost certainly the most dangerous man aboard the vessel, and you admit to yourself honestly. The general in you demanded that you bring him to bear against the enemy, and having done so, and with additional support from Pollux, Castor and Teukros, you are now free to release yourself from command.

Before Ajax can move to the line, you ask bluntly –

“Lord Ajax – I request leave to hunt for Kyrtios!” He doesn’t mince words either, speaking loudly over the din of battle –

“Bring him to me. Take Pollux!”

You don’t wait for further orders, immediately calling out to Pollux for assistance, and casting a glance behind you – four trap doors are present on the deck of the ship between amidships and the stern. Pollux is momentarily puzzled when you stack corpses and jam the port-side trap-doors shut with lumber pried from the deck, but he’s quick to follow your lead, doing the same for the third trap-door on the starboard side. Blocking such means of ambush comes without a second thought and takes only a few moments of your time.

Ajax has resumed command over his forces – they are confused at the unexpected change in commander, and pause for several long moments, losing combat momentum. Fortunately, the pirates are too busy licking their wounds to press the counterattack, binding gashes in their limbs with torn robes and belts. When the Salaminians begin pushing again, the pirates show their desperation, dodging backwards wildly, their formation beginning to fragment. Ajax restrains the sailors from a premature charge against the flailing enemy, enforcing discipline –

“Not yet, men of Salamis! Steady thrusts!"

Ajax, demonstrating proper technique for the benefit of his men, begins driving his spear at the enemy, shattering skulls and piercing livers without overextending himself – you curse the necessity of seeking the coward Kyrtios beneath the deck - he's ruined your chances to see Ajax in combat!

>cont

1 = Nikandros, 2 = Pollux
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>>5751306
What in Athos' name is a roman?!
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>>5751309
you'll find out soon enough >:^)
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>>5751309
Sounds like the name of some disgusting barbaroi.
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The last trapdoor on the stern deck, you block yourself, pulling a body over the hatch as you pull it closed. The hold underneath is dark and smells of leather – you see rows and rows of pelts and hides loosely strung up from the beams – oxen, sheep, goat - you think you spot a bear hide in the deeper shadows.

You immediately hate your environs – everywhere, there are swaying furs and leathers, and you have no range of vision at all. The chaos above is building to a crescendo - the wails of the pirates takes a keening turn, the sound of men realizing that they will never see their homes or children again. The deck above thunders with heavy footfalls - men rapidly arranging their position. Your ear effortlessly translates the cacophony - the battle has ended, and the slaughter of the survivors has begun.

To your left, Pollux wordlessly readies his spear and shield, silently mouthing to you – stay quiet! stay to my right! and you do your best to follow his lead, stepping as lightly as you can. As you prowl up the hold’s central axis, towards the bow, shield raised – you catch the faint scent of smoke, causing your heart to pound – fire aboard this ship of pitched oak would spread quickly.

You pick up your pace, brushing aside the animal skins, as does Pollux, his egg-white helm clearly visible in the gloom. You're practically shoulder-to-shoulder in this confined space... Between cautious strides, you hear the sound of a sandal striking the wood - and you are too slow to react.

A bronze sword in the dark, flashing at Pollux's neck - but he is just faster, his shield raising high enough to deflect the plunging blade away from his neck, the sound like a ringing bell. The man holding the blade, is clearly Kyrtios, with the height and clean limbs of noble heritage. He is wide-eyed with adrenaline, grimacing painfully in the realization that he is outnumbered. His own bronze buckler is held tightly against his right shoulder - his grip upon his sword is natural. The man is a trained swordsman, and to your surprise, you see that his eyes are gold-flecked as well.

A man of divine heritage!

Before he can move, Pollux is countering with his own spear-thrust, the point singing in the air as it dives towards Kyrtios' lower abdomen - Kyrtios bats at the attack with his blade but Pollux's grip is iron, piercing the thinner bronze plating on Kyrtios' side. You're still preparing to strike yourself as Pollux withdraws his own spear, releasing a huge gusher of blood from Kyrtios. Kyrtios stumbles backwards, dropping his sword to press his wound shut - the flow of blood already slowing as his divine flesh knits together.

Pollux advances towards Kyrtios, murder in his eyes - you have only a split-second to intervene!

>Stop Pollux and persuade him to spare Kyrtios - if this wins, a difficult CHA check will be required.
>Allow Pollux to murder Kyrtios - he has earned his death many times over today

>first vote to respond wins!
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>>5751339
>Stop Pollux and persuade him to spare Kyrtios - if this wins, a difficult CHA check will be required.

Ajax demanded for him alive, so may as well try.
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>>5751342
>>5750899
Sorry, this is me. I'm at work again.
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Rolled 1, 15 + 6 = 22 (2d20 + 6)

>>5751342

You leap forwards, placing your hand on Pollux's shoulder -

"Pollux, please - we must deliver him alive to Lord Ajax!"

>players, I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+2
>Nikon gets a small bonus to his positive relations to Pollux so far.
>Pollux gets a +2 DC bonus on his WILL because he is in MURDERMODE
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Rolled 7 + 2 (1d20 + 2)

>>5751345
>STAY YOUR HAND!
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Rolled 20 + 2 (1d20 + 2)

>>5751345
>need at least a 19
Fuck
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>>5751352
Godling prisoner, orders fulfilled, Ajax is gonna like us more
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>>5751352
YOOOOOO
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>>5751352

What the fuck, lol
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>>5751352
Nikandros 'of Super Great Council like Holy Shit man' Hippodemon
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>>5751362
Nikandros the calm. Nikandros the bull(headed) wrangler. Nikandros the dioscuri deescalator.

Really though, talking down the ever impetuous Pollux while he is wigging out and seeing red? That's some serious shit.
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>>5751352
NICE!
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>>5751364

He’s done it twice now, btw. Nikon is starting to be the Pollux whisperer (I mean, besides Castor)

Nikon is making progress towards a hidden narrative trait :)
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One of you troglodytes actually coughed up the money to buy an ad for this? For what purpose?
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>>5751375
>Nikon is making progress towards a hidden narrative trait :)
>mfw

>>5751377
Fun
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>>5751375
A trait that helps calm down god-blooded will be very useful in keeping them from doing dumb things.
Like killing themselves over losing an argument.
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>>5751392
Or storming away from the battlefield at the pivotal moment which invariably leads to your best friend dying.
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>>5751375
Was that when Nikon talked down Achilles from coming at Agamemnon sideways?
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>>5751429

Yes, I was thinking of this success specifically, but now that I think of it - Nikon has had a sort of Polynices/Tydeus bro-connection with Pollux since they had their wrestling match just inside Mycenae's gates.

Or to say another way - beating Pollux in a wrestling match and then being cool about it afterwards sort of counts as a diplomatic success to Pollux, even if it wasn't a strictly "social roll" success on Nikon's part.
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>>5751375
Nikandros mixing sympathy with levelheadedness
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>Nikon rolls a 22 against a 21
>I also provided a "giant" trait context bonus to Nikon that temporarily canceled his concussion malus, if anyone's wondering about that.

With your hand exerting gentle pressure upon Pollux's shoulder, you mean to shout, but instead - an urgent whisper escapes the barrier of your teeth -

"Stay your hand, Pollux!"

The stress in your voice seems to break Pollux's spell better than any amount of shouting may have - and Ares Manslaughter releases his grip upon Pollux's heart. He breaks his eye contact with gasping Kyrtios and flashes a look of clear irritation at you, raising his speartip towards the ceiling.

"Don't tell me you're becoming Salaminian, Nikandros." A measure of disgust wrinkles his nose - you've damaged your standing with him in a small way, here.

His tone is halfway mocking, meaning to insult, but you take the higher path - you resist the urge to explain the tactical benefit of extracting information from Kyrtios if there will be the mass transportation of war supplies across the Cyclades, but the frustration in Pollux's face tells you that this would be the wrong approach. You wait him out instead, a placid look upon your face, and finally, his anger melts into dissatisfaction. The greater of the Dioscuri speaks -

"I must be growing old at last - I no longer understand young men." Before you can reply, you each catch the scent of smoke, growing stronger - Pollux whirls in alarm, and sprints off into the bow-side hold, leaving you with Kyrtios.

The defeated man attempts to speak with you, perhaps misunderstanding your mercy - you lean closer, as if to listen better, before driving a right hook into his jaw - you control your strength, only knocking him unconscious, rather than tearing his head off his shoulders. Not satisfied with this alone, you strip him of his bronze armor, and bind him tightly in his nakedness with repurposed fur lines stripped from the ceiling beams.

This accomplished, you move to the bow-side, where Pollux has suffocating a small bonfire - clearly, Kyrtios had hoped to set the ship ablaze. You wonder at his motives before you see something interesting - in the hold of the ship itself, there is a large wooden plug, about a stride in diameter. Testing it, you find that it is hooked into heavy iron hooks in the hold floor. Releasing these, you find that the wooden plug can be raised - you almost attempt to remove it, before you remember that you're at sea! An escape hatch that would doom the ship - hardly a heroic measure, but probably a life-saving one. You imagine that your entry into the hold stopped Kyrtios from wriggling out of his bronze and through the hatch - he must be a talented swimmer to bet his life on such a strategy. Above you, the screams of slaughter have finally ceased - instead, you hear the muffled laughter of victorious sailors.

The pirates have been slain, the battle won - it's been a good day!
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>>5751431
So what you're saying is history is a wheel, and Nikandros might be unintentionally mantling being one of the seven against thebes?
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>>5751434

Shush you, get out of my notes.
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Can we ask Ajax for permission to use some of the loot to dedicate this victory to Nike?
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>>5751433
> you resist the urge to explain the tactical benefit of extracting information from Kyrtios
I really wonder at times how different this story would’ve been if Nikon was just actually autistic
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>>5751445
There would be an autism overload, with both the character and the players.
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>>5751445
>High King Agamemnon. I like your throne. It is large.
>No Elektra, I do not wish to have sex with you. [nikon; the art of the deal]
>Pollux, cease your pointless attempt at climbing this wall. I will surely stab you in the face should you persist.
>Lady Thetis, I wanted to climb the mountain. I could not care less that you were hiding here like a bird does.
>Achilles you are not a woman despite your sometimes delicate features, I implore you to stop acting in such a foolish manner.
>River spirit, fuck off, you should be in the water not next to it.
>Sister I am not a giant, I am merely very tall, the giants are mostly dead and in hiding.
Truly, the timeline too cursed to be. Even more cursed than MAXIMUM SEER timeline.
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The pillaging of the vessel is a thorough affair - without the press of battle, the Salaminians are able to recover their thrown javelins, take the best of the looted pirates' gear for their own reserve weaponry, and begin the process of offloading a significant wealth of hides, furs, pelts and various other goods from the hold of the ship.

King Menelaus arrives only a few minutes after you rose to the main deck - Prince Ajax steps across to their galley for a few minutes to confer. From the bow, you wave to cunning Palamedes and resourceful Odysseus, who return the favor, looking no worse for wear. The Spartan crew, you notice, look a bit disheartened, as they get a clearer look at the Salaminians - scraped, bruised, and trading stories of victory with broad grins. The Spartans fulfilled their role perfectly from King Odysseus' perspective, serving as bait to split the enemy forces in two, but you would hardly be satisfied in such a role yourself.

On the Spartan galley's stern deck, Ajax speaks animatedly with Menelaus - you see this from afar, as none of the other nobility were invited aboard the Spartan vessel. You take no slight - it seems to be a brief conversation about navigation, as the men turn to summon Odysseus, and all three men inspect the sky, winds and sea.

Once back aboard, Ajax delivers new instructions - that your two galleys will return to the previously-abandoned Cretan vessel, now having drifted some significant distance away, and Menelaus' ship will plunder what value is present there. It seems that Ajax generously offered Menelaus' what Timae could be scrounged from Marsaëres' pirate vessel in thanks for his crew's assistance in splitting Kyrtios' small fleet.

Within the hour, the Spartans have finished their labors, your own galley has been stocked full to the brim with slaves, supplies, furs and hides, and no less than two noblemen for potential ransom. Of your forces, all remain hale and hearty, Pollux taking the sole wound of note, an arrow to the shoulder that was quickly addressed. The Salaminians suffered no meaningful casualties, and Menelaus' galley was essentially out of danger for the entirety of the conflict (to the distress of his crew).

All told, a smashing success for your first outing at sea! You stand at the bow, breathing in the sea air as the next half of the journey to Delos begins.

>someone roll me a dice+1d20+4 for navigation to Delos - higher is faster.

>Please note - while this is an unmitigated victory, Nikon won't be earning any Kleos specifically for his actions - from the wider perspective, this is Prince Ajax's victory, and you were a valuable and helpful part of the team that contributed to this. Instead of Kleos, Nikon gains reputationally with his crewmates, has helped to provide Ajax with some very valuable bartering chips in Marsaëres and Kyrtios, and you will benefit from the outcome of this battle on Delos.
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Rolled 14 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5751473
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>>5751475
Speed.
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>>5751475

Pretty damn fast. Okay, next update tomorrow night. Get hyped for Delos, I’ve been thinking about this for months.
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>>5751309
>>5751319
>>5751321
>roman
>barbaroi

Worse he is, and may Zeus forgive me for uttering the word...
A descendant of Troyan refugees


>>5751473
Kinda hoped to find Nikon's chariot here, but with his luck it was probably in the hold of the ship that was sunk.
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>>5751497

I have a plan for Nikon’s missing chariot, fear not anon
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>>5751497
I'm gonna lose my shit if we make it to Troy and find it being sold in some shitty market somewhere.
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>>5751497
I should probably expand on this.
Romans distressed by not having a long and prestigious history of their capital thought up themselves to be descendants of troyans escaped from the sack and led by Aeneas in an odissey(heh) of the mediterranean (offending the queen of carthago thus igniting the rivalry) until they landed in latium and mixed with the latins.
Tangentially the northern city of Padua allegedly hosts the tomb of Anthenor, another displaced troyan from that time.
(A totally false claim by the way)
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>>5751497
Homer wasn't accepting of the Aeneid, calling it a fanfic, so if Lesches follows that, Rome will not founded by trojans.
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>>5751504

Based flowing-haired anti-Latinist anon, tell us more interesting things.

Obviously Nikon’s actions in TWQ could prevent such L*tin debasers from ever rising to prominence, depending on what he does.
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>>5751508
Careful with your memes, Lesches, we might end up rolling one too many crit fails at the wrong time and be exiled to the boot.
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>>5751508
>depending on what he does.
Nikon got to dome Aeneas in the head with a rock
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>>5751508
Being an Italian not from Rome i can only hold contempt for their robbing ways.
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>>5751508
Well, if we accept the Aeneid, we just need to kill Aeneas, and there won't be any Romulus or Remulus, since they are his descendants. And likely stop their travels.
If Iudas was around, maybe we could get some help from the Phoenicians to stop the refugees when they visit their colonies.

Another way to stop the rise of Rome if the Aeneid isn't true, is to help the Etruscans to not fall. Or simply go visit central Italy before the villages around the hills aggregate with the one sitting in the Palatine and form the city.
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>>5751517
Wait, the Etrucans were around 900 bc, and the trojan war would be around 13th or 12th century.
Right now there would be proto-villanovans around.
>>5751512
>Nikon founds Megálē Hellás centuries before it should exist
I would play it
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>>5751514
>aeneas being spirited away by aphrodite after getting his shit rocked by diomedes
>mid-air a torso-sized stone slams straight into aeneas' head decapitating him
>in the distance, nikon is making a vulgar gesture
Athos guide our boulders. Better than his own, hopefully.
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>>5751473
>>Please note - while this is an unmitigated victory, Nikon won't be earning any Kleos specifically for his actions - from the wider perspective, this is Prince Ajax's victory, and you were a valuable and helpful part of the team that contributed to this. Instead of Kleos, Nikon gains reputationally with his crewmates, has helped to provide Ajax with some very valuable bartering chips in Marsaëres and Kyrtios, and you will benefit from the outcome of this battle on Delos.

Can we keep a some coins or other things from the corpses? That would help us in the plan to win treasures and relics betting on Troy.

>>5751475
Nice

>>5751500
All the more reason to make sure that Paris dies in this war. Not only does it cause us to lose it in the first place, but the aquatic bastard clearly conspires with the rivers.

>>5751458
>The only dialogue options when we are not in Military Genius mode
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>>5751531
Kleos is glory and fame
What you talk about is Timae (riches?)
I expect there to be some loot division once we reach port.
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>>5751535
I don't expect a chest full of gold, just a couple of coins, a piece of armor or a funny hat. Something small to start betting.
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My insomnia has returned, so please enjoy this free update! This vote will close at 8pm EST tonight

The wind returns almost as soon as you return your journey – steady gusts of westerly-to-northwesterly origin that drive your galley’s cutting prow through the rolling seas at excellent pace. The galleys of the diplomatic party are certainly heavier, holds full of Timae and slaves, but the extra weight doesn’t seem to slow the ships meaningfully. Andocides, despite decades of experience at sea, displays a boy’s delight as he expresses gratitude for Boreas and Zephyros’ contributions to your travel:

“When two of the Anemoi lash themselves to your chariot, don’t question it, Nikandros! Sit back and relax!” He beams, yellowed teeth on full display.

You cannot deny the wisdom in his words – and sailing is more pleasant after a successful battle, you note. Even the rescued slaves beneath the hold begin to relax as they gain a measure of their new wardens. The Salaminians continue to cage them out of necessity, but a steady delivery of pork, bread and water begins to convince these unfortunates that they have escaped danger, and perhaps have a chance at a better life. The sailors continue to row their oars, but with the wind filling the sails, it’s a half-effort on their part – they hardly even sweat at they row.

As for Marsaëres and Kyrtios – these men are bound thoroughly, gagged and chained at opposite ends of the galley’s hold, Kyrtios underneath the bow, and Marsaëres at the stern end. Ajax deemed it best to keep them very far apart, and his logic strikes you as sound.

Chatting further with Andocides, you learn that Delos will be reached by evening – Ajax had previously planned to shelter overnight on the far side of Syros, but after his conference with the Kings of Sparta and Ithaka, they decided to press on. Odysseus, particularly, had spoken in favor for more speed. For yourself, you are unburdened by responsibility, once you finish with the maintenance and upkeep of your panoplia and arms. After the events of the battle, you find your heart divided in terms of what to do before your arrival in Delos –

>what do, /qst/? Nikon has time for two conversations before they reach Delos, home of King Anios and birthplace of the god Apollo. Please note that Nikon can select TWO of these options. This is a short time-period here so don’t expect any trait unlocks based on this vote alone– reputational gains/losses only. One word of warning, as Nikandros builds stronger relationships with these demigods – the connections run BOTH ways, as friends may influence each other…

>cont
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>Visit with Lord Ajax and express your thanks for the opportunity of temporary command. This has been your first martial leadership role since you had impressed your authority on the Mycenean guards, while attempting to arrest Pollux, and the first since your…duel…with Diomedes Tydides. You may wish to strike up the beginning of a friendship with Ajax while you enjoy his good favor. Furthermore, you have half-a-mind to request that the victory at sea to be dedicated to Nike, as is your typical habit.

>Visit with Teukros, your new friend, and thank him earnestly for his assistance during the battle. Truly, the man delivers shafts as if he is Apollo Ἑκατος himself! Strictly speaking, he may be the most talented marksman that you’ve ever met. It may do your friend well to hear honest words of praise.
>Visit with Pollux, your sometimes-mentor, sometimes-antagonist. You have the opportunity to explain your logic in sparing Kyrtios now, with his temper cooled. Beyond this, you’d like to know how this engagement stacks up against his experiences in the past, and also what to expect from the court of King Anios, the king of Delos. He hasn’t mentioned Anios to you specifically in the past, but given his long life and wealth of experience, he has no doubt met the man several times.

>Visit with Castor, the other half of the Dioscuri – beyond your previous conversation with him regarding matters of the soul and psyche, you know little of his goals and motivations. In particular, you’d like to know more about the dream that was delivered to them by Iris, from Hera of the Heights – this message was enough to prompt their accompaniment on the diplomatic mission, but Castor had previously mentioned another aspect of the dream that he hadn’t elaborated on.

>Visit with the Salaminian sailors – thank them earnestly for their conduct, compliment them on their discipline and generally speaking, butter them up. Some nobles may consider endearing themselves to the sailors to be beneath them, but you understand better than most about how dangerous loyal commoners can be when acting in concert. Plus – they may have insights about the pirates’ behavior that you have not yet heard.

>Visit with Marsaëres, the captured Cretan captain. From his previous announcement, it seems that he may have knowledge of Idomeneus, king of Crete, and Meriones – his nephew. How did such a person fall into service with the pirates, and how does this relate to Idomeneus’ disposition? What does he know of piracy in the Cyclades? In decades past, Knossos was the hub of a great sea-faring power, but just as Hellas itself has been degraded by endless waves of barbaroi raids, so too as Crete’s influence diminished slowly over time.

>cont, I made this vote update way too long, but Nikon has a bunch of options here...
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>Visit Kyrtios, the captured pirate captain – he is divinely-descended, and of the men aboard, the most unknown to you. You’re eager to learn his goals and motivations, and what he knows of piracy in the Cyclades. Unfortunately, you conclude that he is least likely to speak with you honestly, and therefore conversation with him may be of questionable value.

>Visit with the slaves rescued from the pirates’ hold – where did they come from, and what is their story? Curiosity now pulls you to meet with them, and perhaps a measure of self-interest as well – you wish to ensure that your name is on their lips as they step ashore on Delos.

>Instead of conversation with your crewmates, take the opportunity to rest in the hold – falling asleep if you are able. This option is worth TWO conversations, but will trigger a favorable CON check – if successful, Nikandros’ [CONCUSSION] trait will be swapped for [FADING CONCUSSION], and his current -2 penalty to social stats will be reduced to -1. Please note that Nikandros' concussion would fade away naturally on its own, but taking this option will provide a chance to expedite his recovery.

>Something else that I haven’t thought of?
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>>5751735
>>Visit with Lord Ajax and express your thanks for the opportunity of temporary command. This has been your first martial leadership role since you had impressed your authority on the Mycenean guards, while attempting to arrest Pollux, and the first since your…duel…with Diomedes Tydides. You may wish to strike up the beginning of a friendship with Ajax while you enjoy his good favor. Furthermore, you have half-a-mind to request that the victory at sea to be dedicated to Nike, as is your typical habit.
"Greetings, Ajax, have I ever told you I have a sister?"

>Visit Kyrtios, the captured pirate captain – he is divinely-descended, and of the men aboard, the most unknown to you. You’re eager to learn his goals and motivations, and what he knows of piracy in the Cyclades. Unfortunately, you conclude that he is least likely to speak with you honestly, and therefore conversation with him may be of questionable value.
Let's ask him if he plays Petteia.
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>>5751735
Only two choices, but I want three. You cruel, cruel man. If only we hadn't sailed so quickly. Suffering from success.

>Visit with Lord Ajax and express your thanks for the opportunity of temporary command. This has been your first martial leadership role since you had impressed your authority on the Mycenean guards, while attempting to arrest Pollux, and the first since your…duel…with Diomedes Tydides. You may wish to strike up the beginning of a friendship with Ajax while you enjoy his good favor. Furthermore, you have half-a-mind to request that the victory at sea to be dedicated to Nike, as is your typical habit.

>Visit with Teukros, your new friend, and thank him earnestly for his assistance during the battle. Truly, the man delivers shafts as if he is Apollo Ἑκατος himself! Strictly speaking, he may be the most talented marksman that you’ve ever met. It may do your friend well to hear honest words of praise.
I really, really want to keep working over Teukros and Pollux, but we need to start working on Ajax as well. The families of Telamon and Hippomedon should be friends.

Of course, being friends with Pollux means having good word spoken of us to the very gods. Favored as he is by his father.
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>>5751736
>>Visit with Lord Ajax

Being grateful for the honor offered seems to me the correct course, besides the fact that the opportunity to make him consider giving an offering of glory to Nike and another of meat to our sister is very tempting.

>>Visit with Pollux

We need to highlight the reason for Nikandros' actions, as well as thank him for allowing us to fight back to back with a argonaut. That is a memory we will treasure for life.

I would like to talk with Teukros too, but I prefer to prioritize the Big Bros first. Although quickly congratulating him on his skill with the bow would be nice.
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In other news, looks like my advertising run is coming to a close for this morning - the ad was loaded over 200k, and this thread was viewed by >500 anons (assuming that people didn’t click through multiple times)

For any lurkers present - thanks for your attention and I hope you’ll choose to play this quest!
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>>5751736
>Visit with Lord Ajax and express your thanks for the opportunity of temporary command. This has been your first martial leadership role since you had impressed your authority on the Mycenean guards, while attempting to arrest Pollux, and the first since your…duel…with Diomedes Tydides. You may wish to strike up the beginning of a friendship with Ajax while you enjoy his good favor. Furthermore, you have half-a-mind to request that the victory at sea to be dedicated to Nike, as is your typical habit.
>Visit with Pollux, your sometimes-mentor, sometimes-antagonist. You have the opportunity to explain your logic in sparing Kyrtios now, with his temper cooled. Beyond this, you’d like to know how this engagement stacks up against his experiences in the past, and also what to expect from the court of King Anios, the king of Delos. He hasn’t mentioned Anios to you specifically in the past, but given his long life and wealth of experience, he has no doubt met the man several times.
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>>5751742
>>5751751
>>5751782

Thanks for the votes fellas but you gotta claim your previous posts or otherwise give me a fresh meme
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>>5751799
Wait, my ID changed over night?
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>>5742380
>>5744750
Actually, this is a better link chain of my previous IDs
I'll delete the previous post in a bit
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>>5751736
>Visit with Lord Ajax and express your thanks for the opportunity of temporary command. This has been your first martial leadership role since you had impressed your authority on the Mycenean guards, while attempting to arrest Pollux, and the first since your…duel…with Diomedes Tydides. You may wish to strike up the beginning of a friendship with Ajax while you enjoy his good favor. Furthermore, you have half-a-mind to request that the victory at sea to be dedicated to Nike, as is your typical habit.

>Visit with Pollux, your sometimes-mentor, sometimes-antagonist. You have the opportunity to explain your logic in sparing Kyrtios now, with his temper cooled. Beyond this, you’d like to know how this engagement stacks up against his experiences in the past, and also what to expect from the court of King Anios, the king of Delos. He hasn’t mentioned Anios to you specifically in the past, but given his long life and wealth of experience, he has no doubt met the man several times.
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>>5751736
>Visit with Lord Ajax
He's kinda iffy with us right now, since on one hand were a key part in this engagement, but on the other our risky moves pissed him off. Best to smoothe things while he's happy over victory.

>Visit with Castor
What did the cow-eye woman tell you?
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>>5751354
This is me, but I'm out of town.
>>5751738
>Visit with Lord Ajax and express your thanks for the opportunity of temporary command. This has been your first martial leadership role since you had impressed your authority on the Mycenean guards, while attempting to arrest Pollux, and the first since your…duel…with Diomedes Tydides. You may wish to strike up the beginning of a friendship with Ajax while you enjoy his good favor. Furthermore, you have half-a-mind to request that the victory at sea to be dedicated to Nike, as is your typical habit.

>Visit with Pollux, your sometimes-mentor, sometimes-antagonist. You have the opportunity to explain your logic in sparing Kyrtios now, with his temper cooled. Beyond this, you’d like to know how this engagement stacks up against his experiences in the past, and also what to expect from the court of King Anios, the king of Delos. He hasn’t mentioned Anios to you specifically in the past, but given his long life and wealth of experience, he has no doubt met the man several times.
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>>5751738
>Visit with Lord Ajax and express your thanks for the opportunity of temporary command. This has been your first martial leadership role since you had impressed your authority on the Mycenean guards, while attempting to arrest Pollux, and the first since your…duel…with Diomedes Tydides. You may wish to strike up the beginning of a friendship with Ajax while you enjoy his good favor. Furthermore, you have half-a-mind to request that the victory at sea to be dedicated to Nike, as is your typical habit.

>Visit with Pollux, your sometimes-mentor, sometimes-antagonist. You have the opportunity to explain your logic in sparing Kyrtios now, with his temper cooled. Beyond this, you’d like to know how this engagement stacks up against his experiences in the past, and also what to expect from the court of King Anios, the king of Delos. He hasn’t mentioned Anios to you specifically in the past, but given his long life and wealth of experience, he has no doubt met the man several times.

Nikon the Pollux whisperer
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>>5751981
The man of many faces
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>>5751983
Of power too. The power of (You).
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>>5751986
That (You) wall is beautiful, even if it's a self reply.
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>>5751981

I am impressed with your dedication, shapeshifter anon
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>>5751986
Clearly Zeusposting.
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I miss minoan dress anon
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>>5751996
Probably the most tastefully I have ever seen breasts presented. Minoan fashion was wild.
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>>5751996
Have faith anon
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>>5751736
>Visit with Lord Ajax and express your thanks for the opportunity of temporary command. This has been your first martial leadership role since you had impressed your authority on the Mycenean guards, while attempting to arrest Pollux, and the first since your…duel…with Diomedes Tydides. You may wish to strike up the beginning of a friendship with Ajax while you enjoy his good favor. Furthermore, you have half-a-mind to request that the victory at sea to be dedicated to Nike, as is your typical habit.
>Visit with Teukros, your new friend, and thank him earnestly for his assistance during the battle. Truly, the man delivers shafts as if he is Apollo Ἑκατος himself! Strictly speaking, he may be the most talented marksman that you’ve ever met. It may do your friend well to hear honest words of praise.
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>>5751996
Maybe if we visit Crete and talk with a local woman, we will summon him.
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>>5751736
We can talk to all these characters later without the -2 malus to social rolls if we handle that now. I'd also like to make our first impressions with our local allies near Troy to be as good as possible.

>Instead of conversation with your crewmates, take the opportunity to rest in the hold – falling asleep if you are able. This option is worth TWO conversations, but will trigger a favorable CON check – if successful, Nikandros’ [CONCUSSION] trait will be swapped for [FADING CONCUSSION], and his current -2 penalty to social stats will be reduced to -1. Please note that Nikandros' concussion would fade away naturally on its own, but taking this option will provide a chance to expedite his recovery.
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>>5752010
Perhaps he'll return when Nira goes to get her ankle healed
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You’ve spent well enough time with Teukros, and found the darker young man to your liking. However, you must take the opportunity to make yourself known to Prince Ajax as well, the greater of Telamon’s sons. With this is mind, you ascend to the stern-deck of the galley, where Ajax, having removed his own panoplia previously, now sits in repose under the shining light of Helios Ηλεκτωρ. You ask his permission to join him, and this he grants with a wave.
You take a seat opposite to him and lean forward, two giants in conference.

“Prince Ajax, I wish to express my gratitude for the opportunity to command your crew, even if only temporarily. I envy you – your sailors are well-drilled, well-trained and well-disciplined. I learned much from the skirmish and this will be to the benefit of my own platoon of Thessalians, once I summon them to Aulis.”

Lord Ajax politely nods his head, his hair moving gently with the dry breeze -

“Your words are appreciated, Nikandros…” he says, before leaning forwards with an intent look in his eye. “But tell me, why did you not attempt to drive the pirates off the starboard deck?” You’re smart enough to know that this is not an honest question on the Prince of Salamis’ part – he is testing you, analyzing your judgment.

You don’t hesitate in your reply –

“Years of raiding Illyrians and other barbaroi north of Mount Olympus have shown me the errors of men’s judgment – men trapped against a wall or a barrier often fight harder than men with a route to flee. By pressing against their left flank, I had hoped to force a retreat from amidships and having fought alongside your sailors, knew that the pirates would break before they did. Additionally, you, in all your panoplia, were standing in full view upon the stern-deck – only the insane would flee towards you, Prince Ajax.” This last comment you deliver flatly as the truth that it is, rather as an obvious play at ingratiation.

“Once we had taken the stern half of the ship, you would be free to advance to the line. With Kyrtios absent from the deck, I had reason to suspect trickery on his part, and therefore you were needed to take my place in command.” To you, the line of reasoning is clear – the logic sound.
Ajax listens to your words carefully, his face revealing no thought or emotion beyond careful consideration – he asks,

“But how did you know that I would advance to take command, Nikandros?”

You answer truthfully –

“I am no augur, and I do not know you – but I had to guess that the protégé of Telamon himself would not sit idly while his men crush vermin without him.”

Ajax does not respond at first – his eyes meeting yours for a long moment – calculating, appraising. You feel as an oxen might, judged and weighed by his master. Moments pass, but you are a patient and dutiful young man. You simply wait. Finally, the bearded prince seems to come to a decision, speaking again –
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Rolled 12, 15, 19 + 5 = 51 (3d20 + 5)

“I have heard of your deeds on Skyros. Meet me on the main deck and bring me your petteia board – I wish to know how I fare against a tournament champion.”

You grin in delight at the proposal – and within just few minutes, the board is set. Ajax makes no announcement, but the news spreads like wildfire – Ajax is playing petteia against Nikandros! – and soon there is a huddle of Salaminian sailors surrounding you, with Castor, Pollux, Teukros and even Andocides waiting impatiently for the game to begin.

Your head is still muddled, but you remember to make your demand of Ajax –

“If I win, I ask for your leave to dedicate our victory at sea to trim-ankled Nike.” Ajax looks at you oddly, before nodding in return.

“If I win, I ask for a favor.” Ajax does not specify further – you can’t help but gulp nervously at the prospect of adding another debt to your tally, but under the gaze of half the crew, you feel that you cannot decline.

The stones are placed, and you take the white pieces. Ajax, the black. You do your best to clear your mind, in the gloom of the galley's hold. Ajax nods at you, and you begin!

>okay, players - let's see if Nikandros can hold his own while concussed.
>I need THREE rolls of dice+1d20+7.
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Rolled 8 + 7 (1d20 + 7)

>>5752074
A fair game, though i fear what he would ask and am intimidated by his 19, he is no fool.
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>>5752074
We need to roll a 12
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Rolled 1 + 7 (1d20 + 7)

>>5752074
Dammit, Ajax. I am scared of favors. Also of his 19. Damn. He is better at playing in a rocking ship, his specialty. Everyone knows on or near a boat, Ajax is unstoppable.
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Rolled 8 + 7 (1d20 + 7)

>>5752074
The stress is eating me alive. This isn't even a terrible roll to lose.
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And back to our regularly scheduled getting bodied by the dice. The moment I saw that 19 though I knew it was over. We'd need a 17. Just wasn't gonna happen.

Nikon the debt accumulator more like. Hopefully Ajax isn't going to be a dick about it and ask for something unreasonable. He will.
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>>5752084
Oh yeah, we would need a 17, not 12.
With a roll that good, we probably would lose even if we weren't concussed.
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>>5752076
>>5752081
>>5752083

A tough run for Nikandros here. Next update tomorrow, anons. Have a great night!
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>>5752085
Yeah. Without the debuff we'd still have needed a 15. The one thing we should be good at and it's getting hindered. Well hopefully Ajax will see that there's clearly something wrong with us as we stare at the board like a cow making our moves.

Friendly reminder to everyone, running away from battle is absolutely an option that should be taken after being wounded. We have this nasty debuff from a friendly spar with Diomedes and he kicked the shit out of us. So in the future if we ever get hurt, just dip before it kills us.
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>>5752087
Unfortunately we can run away from a duel.
Actually, we could have given up up after the first round and but continuing won, right? Or did we get instantly defeated? It's been a while.
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>>5752104
I decided to check.
We could have given up after the first blow, but chose to fight on.
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>>5752104
>Unfortunately we can('t ?) run away from a duel.
What makes you think that? You absolutely can. It does in fact happen on many occasions in the Iliad. Half the fights with major characters are inconclusive. Ajax and Hector fight multiple times without either of them dying.

For the Diomedes spar, the vote to keep fighting won. But that was with him and us pulling our punches, with full strength modifiers Diomedes only needed to roll a 2 to instantly kill us. if I remember what was said before.
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>>5752110
It's because I was misremembering what happened, but I checked on the archive.
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>>5752112
I just went back and checked, too. To crunch the numbers. Diomedes gets a damn +8 to damage. His basic modifiers let him one shot average heroic nobles. Hades' scrote the high tier heroes are scary. I wonder how much damage Ajax does in a single hit at the minimum.

Probably like, 14.
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>>5752115
Ajax probably also has a load of HP and armor too.
You don't get to have a huge shield and be know as the bulwark of the greeks by going down easily.
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>>5752122
Ajax is THE tank hero for sure. And a fellow average rock enjoyer, with how he drove off Hector with a thrown stone. Then you get the absolute power team that is Ajax being the wall and Teukros trick-shotting everyone who is staring at the big man.

Remember to guard your feet, Paris likes to shoot people there, the dinky prick.
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These rolls are consistently painful, and the curse of everyone rolling high against Nikon continues.
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>>5752154
Don't worry, when we can bypass rolls entirely by cunningly foiling all the enemy battleplans we'll get the respect we deserve. Now pass me some more copium I'm running out.
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Hmm? Far be it from me being a humble, and thus, retarded anon, but where's Homer? Why isn't he QMing his quest? Did something terrible happen to him?
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>>5752171
He flaked. Lesches holds hope he will come back but quite frankly he threw a hissy fit and gave up. Harsh, and I can understand why, but am I wrong?
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>>5752197
He left? Just straight up and left? WoW, so that's what it feels like for respect to crumple up and die.
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Ah, to be mogged in petteia and now owing a favor. Perhaps this will be a case of falling upwards. I don't quite know how to feel about being forced into a petteia match, but for some reason, I get the desire for Nikon to hit the people responsible for our concussion in the head with a rock.

This makes me consider if we might want to spend the next three stat points we get when passing through the gates of Troy and leveling up on INT, making it 20/24 for a +10 bonus as we plan to make money through Petteia. Combined with the +4 from military genius, the bonus will be +14, and who knows, maybe if we make enough dosh, we can sacrifice enough goods to Nike to earn her favor and get that trait and a +3 stat bonus.
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Urgh...My head...it's urging me to propose some way to mitigate bad rolls, in contravention of the canon and intended feel of the heroic epic classics and the semi-canon of Homer's (PBUH) attempted historical semi-realism...like some sort of fate point/reroll system, perhaps in exchange for particularly inspired secondary content...or maybe an appropriately themed trait that recognizes the sheer amount of low rolls we get and gives some mechanical leeway in the future...could call it anabasis, invictus or indomitable...my mouth, it's moving on its own AIEEEEEEE
YES IT IS I, PERFECTBUILDCHAD, HERE FROM THE DEPTHS OF TARTARUS TO TORMENT THIS QUEST AGAIN. HEED MY ADMITTEDLY SOMEWHAT REASONABLE IF POORLY COMMUNICATED DEMANDS OR PERISH. SO SAYS I, PERFECTBUILDGOD

What an organic and insightful conversation. Being a snide, catty bitch to a QM who, by all accounts, isn't even here anymore, whose only sin against you is that he ran a better quest, that is the saddest existence I can imagine even on a site like this. Go back to /qtg/, your shitty discords and bring your unwanted gossip there, and maybe you'll attract dramashitters so you can finally get more than two votes in your shitty AI-'assisted' anime smutquest trash.
>>5752197
you're not wrong but you're also feeding the schizos. there's a cringe cliquey subculture of namefags who can't abide other quests being better than theirs.
>>5752245
if Lesches did put it to a vote we're definitely still taking the match, concussion or no.
Weren't we planning to sabotage the peace deal in exchange for mad dosh from the princess or something? Wish we had narrativebuildfags to talk shop about upcoming big picture stuff.
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>>5752245
If I'm being honest, I don't think we can afford to not pump our combat stats. Now I don't know if Lesches intends to follow the same level path Homer did, but if he does follow it, we'd only be level six by the end of the war. With alternating 2/3 points, that really doesn't give us much leeway to make ourselves not die when we face one of the Trojan heroes.

There are quite a few of them which are actually pretty scary in Troy alone thanks to Priam's inability to pull out. To say nothing of some of the heroes that come from far off. Memnon would dogwalk us.

Our strength is in a pretty good place, but we need more con and agi. Just to round out a bit better. As much as I would love to pump more STR to become a true rock chad who throws man-sized stones at people. And it would be a waste to not use our Giant trait to become stronger than the puny ones. It's just the way it is. The dice just aren't forgiving enough to play around quite so much. Damn d20s. Always hated them.

I'm not opposed to getting 1 more INT though, if we get the chance before we make it to Troy.
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>>5752262
>pretty scary in Troy alone thanks to Priam's inability to pull out
Nikon's true weakness besides rivers. Old fucking men.

You make good points, though I do feel that besides just getting stats via level-ups, there's also the fact that there are traits with bonuses that we can acquire if we put in the effort and time, such as a god's favor by giving them shit. And equipment that can make a huge difference. The Gods know we saw how proper preparation and the right items made the world's difference in Nira's story—stacking the deck. Never fight fair against heroes if we can manage it. I'm also a bit confused about whether we are still on a variable best-of system where, given a context bonus, we can reduce the number of dice that the enemy can roll or stuff.

It just feels that we are at a rare opportunity to get money and, thus, proper supplies for Nikon's war effort due to the deal struck with Elektra and the Trojan nobles being flush with Menelaus' stolen gold, silver, and cattle. It's that damn opportunity cost. Also, we need to send some money back home to Nira.

> We'd only be level six by the end of the war
Eh, wasn't it mentioned along the lines that this was a thing that could change depending on the path we took? If the dice are bastards, unexpected opportunities could arise that we might be able to take full advantage of and do kleos-worthy things and level up more than expected.
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>>5752281
>nikon's weaknesses rivers and old men
This is why we can never let him die. He'd get clapped by Charon neg-diff.

The problem is traits can be pretty hard to get, and getting them at all is kind of situational. And we can only cut our teeth on mooks and nobodies for so long before someone decides we're annoying enough to hunt us. So I wouldn't rely on picking them up as an absolute but instead as a great bonus to look for on the side. As for fighting fair, shouldn't do it against anyone. There's no honor amongst the dead. But eventually we'll probably be stuck in a bad way.

I feel you there though. But we mustn't let FOMO cloud our judgement. We're not going to get enough money to go full hog right out the gate. Just because the more we win, the more reluctant people will be to play against us. The potential rewards we'd be wagering be damned. You'd have to play extremely shrewd and throw matches strategically to entice others to play. And if someone was canny they'd see that and nope the fuck out because no one wants to take on a shark like that. I figure we'd only be able to get a timae or two at best. Which is better than nothing, granted.

Alternatively, the bad dice can also actually just kill us. We're a nobody from nowhere, we probably won't be taken prisoner. Unless word gets around we're best buddies with some of the Achaean's best. Which given our huge stature would make us stand out, that'd be our best bet to not dying in combat to a superior foe. But people of the time aren't known for their foresight or restraint. Better to assume we'd just die. There's also the option that we'd be really efficient and gain lots of glory, but little experience. The unspoken part of "Variable results" is "potentially inferior".

Overabundance of caution perhaps. But Nikon's fat cock won't save him from being too bold.
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>>5752255
>What an organic and insightful conversation. Being a snide, catty bitch to a QM who, by all accounts, isn't even here anymore, whose only sin against you is that he ran a better quest, that is the saddest existence I can imagine even on a site like this. Go back to /qtg/, your shitty discords and bring your unwanted gossip there, and maybe you'll attract dramashitters so you can finally get more than two votes in your shitty AI-'assisted' anime smutquest trash.

... wat

What Qm? What discords? What anime quest?

Is this a meme?
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>>5752262
>>5752281
>>5752291

Good discussion here, anons. I can clarify a few points:

>are we still on the same +2/+3 level-up system that Homer developed?

Yes, one of my goals is to provide continuity of mechanics. Upon levels 3, 5, 7 (if Nikon gets there), he can select new traits for level-up. These traits are a mixture of upgrades for existing traits that he has, and entirely new traits he has obtained through character relationships (so he will have access to AGED WISDOM, DIOSCURI TRAINING, and LUWIAN PROFICIENCY, per Homer in the original thread #2, among other options, at his next level-up).

Homer originally said that Nikon can reasonably expect to hit Level 6 before the end of the war, but I would also note that Nikandros has already outperformed expectations by finding Achilles and participating in this diplomatic mission. It seems entirely possible that he will hit Level 6 early if he continues to find "bonus" opportunities.

You guys would be chilling in Aulis with Achilles (more or less), if you hadn't gone on the diplomatic mission to Troy.

>do we have the same variable rolling system?

Basically, combat and petteia are Bo3 rolls, which I think Homer had more or less settled on before he took his leave of absence. Social rolls can be variable (base social contest would be Bo2, but additional dice can be added or removed based on context).

>Will Lesches kill Nikandros if the players plan poorly or the dice betray us?

Yes.

Anyways, next update for 1-2pm EST.

Don't worry too much about this petteia match with Ajax - he's not the type to make a judgment based on one data point alone.
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>Nikon rolls a 15 vs 24

>Nikon loses badly, but it’s not quite total embarrassment.

Your match with Ajax goes poorly, in the swaying gloom of the galley’s hold.

You make a fundamental miscalculation in the opening of the game, expecting Ajax to play conservatively – you arrange for an aggressive strike into his territory, a slashing opening to begin the game. He immediately disabuses you of your expectation of an easy victory when he counters your white stone invasion with a counter-raid of his black pieces, rather than a defensive structure – cutting through your lines and isolating your stones in a black sea. His play is quite good, verging on phenomenal – he might be the best petteia player you have met so far, and you wonder whether he might have been able to win the tournament in Skyros in his own right.
Despite his success on the board, Ajax plays slowly – and between moves, he asks you many questions:

“Tell me of your family, Thessalian.”

“How did you find my cousin on Skyros?”

“What of my uncle, Peleus – how did he treat you?”

You answer each question succinctly, honestly, without embellishment or gilding. Ajax offers you little in return, as you explain these things – most often, he rewards you with silence as he weighs each of your statements carefully.

You both know that the match is over by the fifth turn – you have lost, but you do your best to whittle down his attacking pieces over time. You’re able to turn an embarrassing collapse into only a crushing loss with some clever play, but nonetheless, it’s a poor game that you’ve played, and hardly representative of your true skills. The crowd surrounding you believes the match is more competitive than it is, but your eventual defeat becomes clear to them as well. The Salaminians are proud of their Prince, clapping each other on the shoulders – to them, Ajax’s victory is a sign of his genius and a good omen for the battles to come.

Ajax, to his credit, does not vaunt in his victory over you – he barely comments on the game at all, as he continues to ask you about various topics. Again, you sense that he is not interested in the outcome of the match, so much as your ability to adapt on the fly, to respond to his unexpected thrusts and retreats. You resist the urge to resign the game, and instead play to the end – forcing Ajax to crush your remaining pockets of resistance. At the end of the game, he stands and speaks –

“A good match, Nikandros. We will have to play again.” You’re not sure if he’s being generous in his words, or whether he means what he says – his face is frustratingly impassive. You thank him for the game, and he only adds –

“I will let you know when the favor is due, Nikandros.” And with that, he returns to his position on the stern deck, under the golden light of the Cycladian afternoon.

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The Salaminians, taking Ajax’s behavior as lead, impugn your skills in playful fashion – you hear several good-natured remarks about how you command men better than stones, but you’re not offended by these – delivered with smiles as they are. Andocides offers you his condolences as well, confessing that you played better than him on his best day – he is hopeless on the board.

Argyros, substitute father to you, gruffly advised you thousands of times in your boyhood – “Put the defeat behind you, boy – and next time, do better.”

And so you do.

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After a filling repast of bread, pork, and water, you seek out Pollux next, finding him on the fore-decks with his brother, lounging in the sunlight.

There is no spark of frustration or glimmer of anger in his eyes – he is quick to forgive. You are learning that Pollux is a man capable of great feats of guile – no man could steal as much livestock as he without great capacity for deceit – but he does not bother to use these talents amongst his acquaintances and friends. You wince ruefully as he analyzes your petteia play with the tact he commonly employs –

“You played like a donkey’s shit, Nikandros – and you’ve had that glazed look in your eye since Tydides embarrassed you in the area… As if the Prince needed more reason for confidence.” The blonde man shakes his head in mild disgust. Castor doesn’t bother to hide his amusement, but you can hardly blame him.
You shrug your massive shoulders and admit that Pollux is correct – nothing to be done about it now.

“Lord Pollux, I came to explain my actions when I restrained you against Kyrtios.” Pollux waves you on, and so you continue:

“As a captive, he may provide with critical details, locations of pirate coves and dispositions of other captains. You see, if the talks fail, we must consider the replenishments of foodstuffs and supplies of a tremendous fighting force across the Aegean, and through the Cyclades. The pirates of the Cyclades will reap untold wealth picking at the supply lines, even if Telamon releases his entire –“

Pollux interrupts you, chuckling –

“Please, please Nikandros – spare me your lecture on logistics, I believe that there is wisdom in what you say. I am prone to rages and tempers like all of Zeus’ offspring – any man who makes a threat on my life may trigger it, and it is only just that I take my revenge at such an affront. Many have tried to restrain me in the past, but you are amongst a very select group to have done so twice - and for good reason. I accept your apology and forgive you of any trespass.” The blonde man with cauliflower eyes smiles, carefree.

Of course, you weren’t precisely apologizing, but you don’t correct Pollux here – you’re simply glad to know that your budding friendship with the greater of the Dioscuri remains healthy.

Castor chimes in –
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“You know, Nikandros – together, we may have a proper chance of keeping Pollux in fine behavior for the diplomatic council.” Ah – of course – they do not know of the bargain you’ve struck with Electra.

Conversation turns to Delos and you inquire about King Anios – Pollux snorts dismissively, speaking further:

“He is practically more divine than man, Nikandros – son of Apollo, and great-grandson of Dionysus through his mother. As a boy, he was a true bore – always hanging about the priests, pampered by them, and he hasn’t become any more interesting now that he’s a King. He holds himself in high regard – thinks that he’s above the politics and conflicts of the world. Constantly talking about his father, as if he is unique, or that no one remembers that the far-shooter had hardly noticed him until he became King. Not to mention, he struts about the island as if he conquered itself, when all know it was King Minos who cleared the islands of rabid Carians.”

Pollux sighs before continuing:

“We could have used his help many times in the past, but he prefers to throw garden parties and watch the cliffsides for birds than do something useful. He's quite friendly with the truant King Menestheus of Athens, of course - the Athenians make their pilgrimage to Delos every summer at about this time. In fact, the Lesser Delia should begin in about two days, if they've held to their calendar. At any rate, my advice to you – don’t fall into the mania of prophecy. Men drive themselves mad over vague half-truths or raging against their particular doom, and then the gods force your fate on you as they would do anyways.”

In some ways, a fatalistic message similar to Achilles' perspective.

A minor detail quirks your interest -

"What do you mean by "truant King Menestheus?", Pollux?", you ask.

"As far as I know, the man hasn't yet responded to Agamemnon's call to arms -", Pollux explains. "despite the Oath of Tyndareus binding his action. He prefers to talk about old battles than participate in new ones, as far as I've seen."

Hmm. An interesting fact.

You continue to chat amiably with Pollux about various topics, and you're sure to mention your joy at having fought alongside the Dioscuri in battle - even if only for a day. It will make for a treasured memory, no matter your fate.

Helios' chariot is approaching the sea once the paired islands, Rineia and Delos are sighted along the horizon, and with the wind behind you, the islands grow quickly. To your surprise, there's little obvious signs of habitation on the island of Delos - you see no cities, towns, or even ports alongside the coast. Rineia, by contrast, is clearly the home of a thriving port - you see many merchant vessels, Athenian and Salaminian galleys cutting through the water as Nyx's dusky shawl is raised over the sky...

>ran out of steam here - hopefully, one more update tonight at 8-9pm.
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>>5752569
>inb4 nikon isn't let into the council despite coming as an envoy
>and this makes pollux mad as shit and he ruins the whole thing when he wigs out
Yes, the plan is all coming together. Unforeseen consequences.
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>>5752569
You've gone quite deep in foreshadowing and the plot is rightfully enriched by it, i feel like looking up on the internet these names like Anios and Menestheus but i don't know if it will spoil me of the future.

On the other hand i have also tried to prepare a bronze age civ quest but it really is a daunting prospect to organize properly.
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>>5752582
>We are too nice bro for the good of the mission.
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>>5752588

Prophecy leads to madness, anon - weren’t you listening to Pollux?
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God I want to participate in this quest, but I fear I wouldn't do a Homeric original poem justice.

Well, what can I do. I'm back, baby! Happy to see that the quest is still as crazy as ever. Rocks fall, our sister WILL get bred and married by a famous dude, and we will wipe out all rivers from the world.
>>5751458
God reading this can't help but make me think Autistic!Niko would be so much more hilarious.
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>>5752741

Give me one (1) hot and fresh meme and you’re in, brother. I made a visual registration option for the non poets
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Hello all, I’m taking the night off from QMing/reading Statius’ Thebaid (I’m in the doldrums of the Book 4/Catalogue of Allies sequence) and so I am instead choosing to watch the extended edition of Troy (2006) starring Brad Pitt, Eric Bana and Orlando Bloom.

Thanks for your patience and TWQ will resume tomorrow. HomerQM, if you are reading, I will be reading the birdsign tomorrow at dawn for guidance
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>>5752869
It's a pretty good film aside from some of the changes in characterization. It'll be pretty obvious when you come across them. But if you don't get hung up on those it's a fun watch.
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>>5752869
I fucking love the Ajax vs Hector fight is awesome.

I also love see Menelaus beat off the shit of Paris.
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>>5752869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbNQ9oHtwtM&ab_channel=GraphicGaming

Now that I think about level ups, didn't Thetis promise that for her favor we would do something glorious but dangerous? I might be half remembering, but didn't Homer mention that Agamemnon's chair has a god in it who has a secret mission associated with it? That's like two missions
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>>5753054
>Agamemnon's chair
I weep at the missed opportunity to stare at the chair
also was there a god imprisoned in there?
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>>5753106
I mean, instead we got to meet the ancient tomboy Electra. Oh were that she born a man, she'd have been a prince and king to fear. And got a mission that is basically a fucking freebie vacation. Just gotta make sure they go to war, which they'd probably manage even without Nikon stirring the pot.

Of course, we could just not do it and tell her to kick rocks when we get back before leaving with Achilles in tow to go fight a war of our own. Or just, y'know come home and butcher some barbaroi and murder the spirit that hurt our sister and killed our semi-uncle.

Although, all we really need to do is get back everything that was taken from Menelaus and kill Paris. I'm about to get metagamey So if we can discover the prophecy of Paris returning being the death of Troy we can abuse the fuck out of that in negotiations. Twist it to sound like sheltering him from the righteous wrath of the man he spurned is what would constitute his "return". While also fearmongering the fuck out of the people there who wouldn't be in the know and putting Priam and his family on the spot with all of the people, if we surreptitiously let slip at some point the prophecy to the masses. Priam's kind nature works against him super hard here, as he is also very wise. No matter how much he wants to protect his children, he knows that one is a pittance when compared to all near-hundred of them. If we can't rely on that though, our best bet is to get Menelaus to laser focus on his unbridled hatred for Paris. If at all possible force him into the room with negotiations to really make the temperature go up. Emphasize that Paris is a thief, and a no-good one at that, incapable of keeping what he takes and hiding behind greater men of substance like a proper disgraceful leech. Nikon's massive duty boner would probably help fuel such a tirade with genuine passion.

P.S. no we shouldn't fuck Electra, she is still a walking problem, not actually a qt tomboy waifu and her whole bloodline is fucking cursed to shit
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>>5753125
This is why we need LUWIAN PROFICIENCY beyond being able to understand enemy orders and betting money, is such a powerful tool for everything that is not funny
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>>5753125
I still have no clue who Nikon will romance and how that'll work. What's probably more of a headache would be arranging Nira's marriage. Homer did mention that Iphigenia and Electra were waifus, but their bloodline is so C U R S E D. For God's sake, please, no daemons or gods as lovers even though they would be tall. No candidates spring to my mind who'd be friendly. Though Cassandra exists, and she has that fun prophecy shtick, but we're going to sack her city, and with Nikon's sympathy and dutiful trait, I don't think he would be the type to force anyone into a marriage with him, especially as they're weeping for their lost city.
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>>5753145
>no daemons or gods as lovers
NIKE OR DEATH
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>>5752757
Just caught up. Here is a completely original and definitely self-composed homeric poem about our recent adventures:

In days of old, when heroes bold,
Stood 'neath Troy's towering wall,
There lived a man, Nikandros by name,
Renowned throughout for all.

With mighty heart and courage true,
He faced the foe in battle's might,
But now a different test he'd meet,
In the realm of strategy and sight.

Ajax the Greater, a hero famed,
In petteia's game held great acclaim,
With skillful moves and cunning mind,
He challenged Nikandros to the game.

Intricate boards of squares and stones,
They placed with care, their battle zone,
Nikandros, brave, with hopes held high,
But Ajax's prowess would soon be shown.

The stones were moved, the game was played,
Nikandros tried, but Ajax swayed,
His pieces fell, one by one,
In this contest, he was outplayed.

The crowd around, they watched in awe,
As Ajax proved without a flaw,
That even heroes of the field,
Could be bested in this ancient draw.

Though Nikandros lost with grace,
He'd live to fight another day,
For in the world of heroes' tales,
Victory and defeat both had their say.

So let us remember this day of old,
When Nikandros, brave and bold,
Faced Ajax in petteia's art,
A lesson learned, a noble heart.
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>>5753151

Extremely based, anon
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>>5753151
Really nice anon
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>>5753145
Vassandra doesn't need to be waifu'd, we can just get her to be our court oracle.
Being under Nikon's care is the best result for her afterall, she should know that.
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>>5753235
>Cassandra as our personal oracle

This is too big brain to put into words.

No one believes what she says, so if we need to manipulate someone we just have to order her to mediate between us and our opponent.

>Nikon wants a 5-star epic loot, but everyone is fighting over it.
>Nikon: Cassandra, help me a little here.
>Cassandra: This loot will bring fortune and wealth to its bearer.
>Everyone is scared shitless and leaves the loot for us.

We won't need to do charisma rolls anymore, our opponents will have to roll against Apollo.
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Commenting to check if my ID changed after I cleared my browser cache
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>>5753342
It did.
>>5751804
I'm this anon. Unfortunately I lost the (You)s to prove it.
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The galleys sweep around the southernmost tip of Delos, and in the fading light of the day, you finally see signs of habitation – footpaths wrapping against the eastern slopes of Mount Cynthus, the highest point on the island. Oddly, you see what looks to be rippling white tents of considerable size, and surrounding these tents are small points of ruddy light – no doubt braziers to light the pathways. Dragging the ships side by side onto a sandy promontory of Delos is a joyous affair, as is bracing them in place with planks of wood – every safe harbor is to celebrated, you overhear the elder sailors advising, no matter how long the journey.

No Delians approach to welcome you upon your arrival, as twilight falls.

You are initially puzzled at the lack of security. Could any ship simply pull ashore and belch out a raiding party here? The question is answered as you are summoned to join Odysseus, Menelaus, Palamedes, Pollux, Castor and Teukros in slaughtering no less than six goats as offerings, wrapping the thigh bones in double-folds of fat for propitiation. Ajax makes himself scarce, muttering something about supplies onboard the galley before trudging off. It seems that Menelaus’ galley retrieved a small herd of the creatures from the pirate vessel they had looted. The first goat is for Zeus, as is his rightful due. The second is for the Earth-Shaker, who granted your ships swift and secure passage from Salamis. The third is for Apollo, whose birthplace you now stand upon, and the fourth for Artemis, his twin. Finally, two goats are slaughtered for Delia herself, the nymph of the island, and her consort, the river deity Inopos.

The sacrifices accomplished, you assist the noblemen in the butchery, distributing it amongst the crews. You carefully watch your surroundings for any signs of the divine, and see none – but the air itself is heavy, pregnant with meaning and power. The commoners seem blind to it, but you know that the other nobility, even Ajax, sense it – the collective nerves of the group are on edge.

This is a place of the deathless gods; not of men – not of mortals.

You realize that no pirate could ever invade and pillage this place – any number of the divines would intervene before this could come to pass, whether it was Poseidon Προσκλυστιος smashing such a vessel to splinters on approach, or Apollo Ουλιος stripping the invaders of their health weeks prior to their arrival. There are no mortal guards on the island because none are needed.

The Spartans and Salaminians camp alongside the braced galleys – they will not be joining you and the rest of the nobility on your hike to the oikos of King Anios. As for the slaves and prisoners, it is expedient to keep them caged on Ajax’s galley, at least for another night. King Anios will need to make the arrangements to properly receive this gift of people and the hostages.

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Menelaus assembles the group of noblemen together, and you set off together up the rocky hillside. After weeks at sea, you’re eager for a chance to stretch your legs, and Odysseus entertains you all with a comedic retelling of his ship’s derring-do during the naval battle, or lack thereof. You note that Odysseus does not spare himself in his mocking review, foolishly pantomiming his own failed attempt to launch grappling hooks against Kyrtios’ vessel. You can’t help but like the man, despite his dangerous nature and your goals at crosspurposes.

As you rise in elevation, the vegetation grows lusher, the air more humid. It strikes you as peculiar, since you have heard that most of the islands of the Cyclades are said to be quite arid. Darkness rises as you ascend - but the stars shine brightly above, and bright-tressed Selene lights the path well enough, as you approach the tent complex.
There are three very large white tents, and many smaller ones – white-robed priests of Apollo and gray-robed servants slip between the tents nearly silently. You trek to the second largest of these along with your group, where a stately man in white robes wordlessly allows your entrance. Ducking into the tent, you’re amazed to see that a feast has been laid out on long tables, attendants standing at the ready with mixing bowls of wine. Rows of torches are lit within the tent, and everywhere, there are extravagant woven tapestries, depicting Apollo in various scenes. The staff give the impression of waiting for your arrival – standing at attention silently, showing no surprise at your entrance.

At the head of the feast table, you see King Anios – there’s no mistaking him. Many men are said to be “godlike” in Hellas, but here the adjective is deserved. He is nearly as tall as you or Ajax, graceful and slender in tailored robes of a rich purple coloration, heavily embroidered with threads of gold – rising smoothly, he holds his arms out wide in welcome, looking for all the world like a god of Olympus. He possesses a refined face, handsome – his beard and hair neatly coiffed- and he has the look of a confident man of about forty summers. Based on Pollux’s conversation with you, he is likely to be much older than this.

Beyond his physical appearance, there is the pressure of his presence – it immediately reminds you of your encounter with Thetis on the mountaintop of Skyros; a lesser version of the crushing aura that Thetis projected.

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“Welcome, king of Sparta. Welcome, king of Ithaca,” he begins.

“Castor, Pollux – a pleasure to host you here in my domain once more.”

“Prince of Salamis, and your brother as well – a joy for us Delians to host the honored sons of Telamon. And Palamedes, scion of Nauplius – you are only too welcome here.” King Anios leaves you for last, meeting your eye – and there is the briefest hesitation before he calls out to you:

“And you, son of Hippomedon – be at home in the tent of Anios.”

“To all my guests – eat of my substance and drink of my wine, until you put away such desires. We will speak of your business once this is done. Let it be known that Delos will be as your home to you, until you must regretfully depart from this blessed place.”

He waves your group closer, and gestures to the empty seats alongside him. To his left, three men are seated – they resemble Anios to various degrees, clearly marking them as his sons; Thasos, Mykonos and Andros, you have been told. To Anios’ right, a older woman of striking beauty is present – she must be Dorippe, the commoner bride that you are told that Anios had purchased for the price of a stallion.

Your party breaks into three groups and takes their place amongst the table, but where to sit?

>Sit upon Anios' left side, amongst his sons, Teukros and Odysseus. Despite the danger of proximity to Odysseus, he has been outside your sight for too long already - you must know whether he has begun to cement opinions in favor of a peaceful resolution with Troy, and whether he will continue to push for more speed in travel.

>Sit upon Anios' right side, with Palamedes, Dorippe and Pollux. Dorippe is a woman of uncommon beauty, despite her commoner origins - perhaps you could learn much from her regarding life on Delos and of Anios himself? The Lesser Delia approach, and perhaps she would provide context to the festival in two days time?

>Sit close to Anios himself, towards the center of the table, with Ajax, Castor and Menelaus. This is the true conversation tonight - all other discussion is peripheral. This is where decisions about your diplomatic mission will be made. You wish to be present when such choices are set in stone - but there is risk present here as well. Anios is an unknown variable to you, and if he presses you, you may be forced to disclose unpleasant truths within earshot of Menelaus and Ajax.
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>>5753374
>Sit upon Anios' right side, with Palamedes, Dorippe and Pollux. Dorippe is a woman of uncommon beauty, despite her commoner origins - perhaps you could learn much from her regarding life on Delos and of Anios himself? The Lesser Delia approach, and perhaps she would provide context to the festival in two days time?
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>>5753374
>Sit upon Anios' right side, with Palamedes, Dorippe and Pollux. Dorippe is a woman of uncommon beauty, despite her commoner origins - perhaps you could learn much from her regarding life on Delos and of Anios himself? The Lesser Delia approach, and perhaps she would provide context to the festival in two days time?
King Anios worries me. Also FUCK important river deity is on the island, tread carefully.
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>>5753397
We must contain our desire to throw rocks.
Or to wander around the island.
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>>5753397
time to dam that river up!
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>>5753374
>Sit upon Anios' right side, with Palamedes, Dorippe and Pollux. Dorippe is a woman of uncommon beauty, despite her commoner origins - perhaps you could learn much from her regarding life on Delos and of Anios himself? The Lesser Delia approach, and perhaps she would provide context to the festival in two days time?
Doesn't seem like a good time to push our luck.
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>>5753374
>>Sit upon Anios' right side, with Palamedes, Dorippe and Pollux. Dorippe is a woman of uncommon beauty, despite her commoner origins - perhaps you could learn much from her regarding life on Delos and of Anios himself? The Lesser Delia approach, and perhaps she would provide context to the festival in two days time?
Dang ol no where good to sit man I tell you hwat. But Nikon has a way with commoners.

>captcha: NTRM8T
uh oh
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>>5753419
>>captcha: NTRM8T
>uh oh

Crossing fingers here that the absolute mongoloid will try to cuck a god is not a friend of us.
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>>5753374
>Sit upon Anios' left side, amongst his sons, Teukros and Odysseus. Despite the danger of proximity to Odysseus, he has been outside your sight for too long already - you must know whether he has begun to cement opinions in favor of a peaceful resolution with Troy, and whether he will continue to push for more speed in travel.
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>>5753427
Odysseus would absolutely make a pass if he thought he could get away with it. Too bad he's on the other side of the table.
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>>5753374
>Sit upon Anios' right side, with Palamedes, Dorippe and Pollux. Dorippe is a woman of uncommon beauty, despite her commoner origins - perhaps you could learn much from her regarding life on Delos and of Anios himself? The Lesser Delia approach, and perhaps she would provide context to the festival in two days time?
The dreaded social situation while Nikon has a concussion.
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>>5751868
I'm back lads, and officially a married man.
>>5753374
>Sit upon Anios' right side, with Palamedes, Dorippe and Pollux. Dorippe is a woman of uncommon beauty, despite her commoner origins - perhaps you could learn much from her regarding life on Delos and of Anios himself? The Lesser Delia approach, and perhaps she would provide context to the festival in two days time?
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>>5753614
Congratulations!
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>>5753614
Grats anon
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>>5753614

Congrats anon, it’s a moment of pure joy! Remember to stop and take it all in though, the first couple weeks can be a blur
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Meet with Anios' main piece

>>5753383
>>5753397
>>5753409
>>5753419
>>5753607
>>5753614

Meet Anios' boys

>>5753571

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Chances are good that I'll be able to get out an update before 12am EST, stay tuned all.
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>>5753614
Nice!
Be wary though we had signs of evil afoot
>>5753419


>>5753374
>Sit upon Anios' right side, with Palamedes, Dorippe and Pollux. Dorippe is a woman of uncommon beauty, despite her commoner origins - perhaps you could learn much from her regarding life on Delos and of Anios himself? The Lesser Delia approach, and perhaps she would provide context to the festival in two days time?

Hopefully if either nikon or pollux act as chimps palamedes can mitigate the damage.

>Dorippe, the commoner bride that you are told that Anios had purchased for the price of a stallion
Concussed Nikon:
>m'lady you are worth at least three stallions, by the way which of your sons would you say is the best because you see my sister is of marrying age and...
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>>5753614
Impossible, anon has social skills? You rascal.
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>>5753614
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You take your seat alongside Palamedes, Pollux and Dorippe, the bench groaning as you come to rest upon the polished and stained timber. You are on the outmost periphery of the bench opposite Dorippe, Pollux directly across from her, and Palamedes between yourself and Pollux. Dorippe nods politely in your direction, but in the ancient custom, refrains from conversation. All now seated, Anios raises his palms in a thankfully-brief benediction to his father, Apollo, and to the other gods of Olympus. The feast itself is sumptuous, the wine exquisite, and there is meat of every variety – but after many days at sea, it is the revelation of fresh vegetables that makes the greatest impression on you. Despite the number of staff flitting about, there is no conversation – only the muffled sounds of chewing and the chiming of silver cutlery.

You take the time to observe Dorippe as surreptitiously as you may – an extremely-well preserved women of fifty summers, she is dark of eye, hair and complexion – a Phoenician, if you had to guess. She is petite, short even for a commoner woman, but her beauty is unmistakable – her flowing hair is as rich as her figure. She is the rare woman whose beauty is accentuated as she ages – fine crow’s feet at the corner of her eyes suggests wisdom as well.

Some commoners, through chance breeding, may compete with nobility in one regard or another – your mind briefly turns to the Epirot hunter you had wrestled into your service in your home estates, Pantaleon. Dorippe is clearly one such specimen – she smiles pleasingly in your direction, and your face nearly blushes in boyish embarrassment. Her dark eyes glitter in suppressed laughter, and you realize that she has noticed your reaction – a sharp mind to go along with her beauty, you deduce.

Once the initial portion of dinner is concluded, additional kylixes of well-mixed wine are served, and it is time for conversation – Pollux immediately speaks to Dorippe:

“Ah, woman – how I can be expected to leave this place without you? Perhaps I shall take Paris’ lead and steal you away to Lacedaemon?” His tone is playful, unserious. Dorippe laughs in response, in accented Greek:

“Oh, and how clever of you to announce your plans at dinner! Forethought has never been your forte, dear Pollux – why not leave the thinking to your brother?” The repartee has the feel of an old joke – well-worn but still amusing.

Palamedes interjects, speaking a tongue you presume to be Phoenician:

“ደንቆሮውን ችላ በል - ሴቶችዎ የት አሉ? ከትናንሽ ሴት ልጆች ጀምሮ አላያቸውም”

And Dorippe replies:

“በሪኔያ ላይ ለትምህርት ልኬአቸዋለሁ። እዚያም የሴትነት ጥበብን ለመማር በቂ ናቸው”.

Pollux coughs politely, gesturing to you –

>cont
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“Would it not be appropriate to converse in Zeus’ Hellenika? Not all present are learned in the words of the Tyrians.” Palamedes apologizes to you – seated this closely to him, you get a good glimpse of his eyes, green – and with the gold-flecks of divine ancestry rimming his pupils. You’re not sure how you missed it previously, when you spoke with him in the library of Mycenae, but perhaps it’s because his gold-flecks are arranged differently than your own, which are scattered across your irises.

Dorippe politely asks you of your name and family, and you request the same – although the brief story she tells is the one already known to you, that three decades past, she was purchased by Anios. She does not specify her common origins, and you don’t wish to embarrass her by asking.

Instead, you inquire about the Lesser Delia – and Dorippe is delighted to explain:

“Ah, it is a wonderful time – feasting, poetry and music, dancing, archery and then, of course – the footrace! Such competitions glorify Apollo – Anios is always trying to entice his father to reveal himself openly through such things. The Athenians are wonderful guests, always so prompt in the delivery of the Hyperborean gifts for the Altar. I am told that they have kept the tradition ever since Theseus made his way to this sacred island.” Your heart sinks a bit at the description of these events – you have no special talent for any of these, and you doubt that the laurel wreath of victory will be yours to wear with Teukros and Odysseus among your party. Still, competition itself is manful and the striving itself can be rewarding enough, even if you have no hope of success. As to the reference to the Hyperborean gifts, you aren’t quite what is meant by this - it's not part of any legend about Theseus that you've ever heard.

There is a natural lull in the conversation, and you can take a moment to direct a further conversational topic:

>Ask Dorippe about what were she was speaking about with Palamedes?

>Ask Dorippe about whether the Athenians have arrived, and what of King Menestheus? What did she mean by Hyperborean gifts?

>Ask Dorippe about the augury of Anios – how does he conduct this? Under what circumstances will Anios attempt to determine the portents of the future? How would a person request such a service from Anios?

>Ask Palamedes about his time on the Ship of Spartans – you’re eager to know whether Odysseus has been chipping away at Menelaus' resolve for the war.

>Ask Pollux about whether he’s participated in the Lesser Delia before, and if so, what strategies he might recommend for victory?

>Something else?
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>>5753805
I'll vote for this
>Ask Palamedes about his time on the Ship of Spartans – you’re eager to know whether Odysseus has been chipping away at Menelaus' resolve for the war.

But I'll leave this write-in for an idea I just had
>Something else?
>Ask Dorippe about Phoenecia. Your mentor was a Shasu, but he never spoke much of the region of the Levant.
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>>5753805
>Ask Dorippe of how honoured King Anios works to gain the attention of his father. Perhaps there is a pattern within the honouring of the gods that can be used to gain trim-ankled Nike's attention?
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>>5753810
ah shoot I dropped my reasoning.
Of course winning is going to gain Nike's attention, but apart from that we don't know shit about how to get the attention of an olympian. Everyone else here does, and perhaps by opening the conversation to this, the other heroes (who are all ostensibly favoured) can chime in. Nikon is a favour-let, but he need not remain so forever.
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>>5753805
>Ask Palamedes about his time on the Ship of Spartans – you’re eager to know whether Odysseus has been chipping away at Menelaus' resolve for the war.
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>>5753816
I figure winning and dedicating your victory to Nike at a festival in Apollo's honor is going to garner some special attention. That's like going to someone's birthday party and congratulating your friend who isn't even there. It's a head turner for the mortals present, and maybe a glimpse from the gods.

Though I doubt Apollo is really paying attention so we shouldn't have to worry about annoying him by doing so. And if we do, he'll probably just give us a cold to let us know he heard, and he is displeased by our cheek.

As for getting insight into drawing the attentions of the gods, I doubt there is anything we can actually do special. It probably comes down to the individual god(dess) in question, their domain, and their personality. Which we can only know one of for sure, since we're probably not going to be able to spend enough time (if any) speaking with a god to know.

Thetis doesn't count, fuck you, Thetis. I know you're watching from the shoreline, cunt.
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>>5753805
>>Ask Dorippe about whether the Athenians have arrived, and what of King Menestheus? What did she mean by Hyperborean gifts?

>Hyperborean

I NEED to know.

>>5753810
This is nice too
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>>5753844
I know the Hyperboreans are likely what they would call the people north of the Scythians, so I'm curious as to if the Athenians have fancy goods from far off or if they're claiming to bring something from a genuine hidden mythical land.

Or if they have like, eternal ice cubes or something. It's a strange thing. Perhaps they are just bringing winter time gifts well out of season?
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>>5753805
>Ask Dorippe about the augury of Anios – how does he conduct this? Under what circumstances will Anios attempt to determine the portents of the future? How would a person request such a service from Anios?
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>>5753789
>your face nearly blushes in boyish embarrassment
Nikon actually blushed, huh? Would've reckoned that he was so dutiful that blushing was beyond him, or perhaps Dorippe was simply that pretty. Nikon, please don't make cow eyes at the king's wife.
>>5753805
>Ask Palamedes about his time on the Ship of Spartans – you’re eager to know whether Odysseus has been chipping away at Menelaus' resolve for the war.
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>>5753945
Brother please go easy on Dionysus' gifts, it clearly says "nearly".
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This vote will close at 12pm EST or so, here's a tally so far

Chat with Pally-boi
>>5753806 (plus write-in re: ask about the East)
>>5753820
>>5753945

Chat with Dorippe
>>5753810
>>5753844 (one-post id, give me another post or backlink, please!)
>>5753929

Anon, I think you forgot to vote, but seems like you want to chat with Dorippe?

>>5753842

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Seems like a close vote so far! Lurkers, chime in!
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>>5753805
>Ask Pollux about whether he’s participated in the Lesser Delia before, and if so, what strategies he might recommend for victory?

All caught up good shit
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>>5754143
I love how we are Nikon's collectively autistic braincells trying to cohere a single statement together. Pally, Polly and Dorry are probably looking on in amazement as Nikandros' face spasms in concentration:

>Pollux: "This is the man who has held me back twice?"
>Palamedes: "This is the man who has bested Achilles?"
>Dorippe: "This is the man Menelaus saw fit to bring as an envoy?"
>Nikon: "...O...OR...ORG...ORGERY!!"
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>>5754143
>(one-post id, give me another post or backlink, please!)

Im >>5753844
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>>5754143
I'll change my vote to talking to Dorippe with my write-in.
That should break the tie. And feed my desire for bronze age autism.
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>For my sanity, I’ll just include multiple topics in this chat with Dorippe, since each of the votes for this had a different thrust and I don’t want to exclude anyone

Your mind, clouded as it is, is hungry for more information. Dorippe has no doubt seen and observed much of the gods through her marriage to Anios, and so you begin by following up on a previous lead by Pollux –

“Lady Dorippe, have the Athenians arrived on the island at this point? Has King Menestheus arrived?”

Dorippe doesn’t hesitate – “No, Nikandros - the Athenian contingent has not yet arrived – a bit unusual, since Menestheus often arrives well in advance of the Lesser Delia, but Anios tells me that the Ship of Theseus will be visible on the western horizon by late tomorrow morning – he has seen this in the flights of eagles over the cliffs. No doubt Menestheus will be onboard the ship – he has not missed the presentation of the gifts in many years.”

You take the opportunity to inquire further about Anios’s augury, and Dorippe specifies –

“Well, I am aware of the fundamentals of the Tiresian* practice, although I am not blessed in such fashion – that the gods of Olympus often send eagles and birds of all types to signal their intentions to the mortals who can read such signs. The sky is divided into quadrants, as the augur faces north, and the relative elevation, motion, and species of the birds is translated. Easterly birds are generally favorable, and westerly birds are poor omens – birds at high elevation are portend more favorably than those at low elevation, and whether the birds cry out or simply flies carries meaning as well. Eagles are generally good portents, having been sent by Zeus, and vultures generally poor – beyond these basics, the augur must be able to receive flashes of divine insight, whether through divine ancestry or blessings from one of the deathless gods – or both, I suppose. As for when Anios conducts this business – “when he sees fit”, is perhaps the best answer.” Even this basic review of augury strikes you as complex – no doubt there are many additional subtleties in the process which are only known to the augurs themselves. You shelf your interest in the process of augury for another time, asking:

“Would it be possible to earn the augury services of Anios in some fashion?” Dorippe meets your gaze flatly, her beautiful face smooth and unreadable.

“This is a question for my husband, not for me, Nikandros.” You take this in stride, and continue with another line of inquiry:

“And what of the Hyperborean gifts you had mentioned? I am not familiar with this,” you admit. Dorippe explains politely:

>cont

Tiresias the blind seer of Thebes was the progenitor of all augurs and one of the greatest priests as Apollo, as Nikandros is aware. Tiresias was cursed with blindness but blessed with the lifespan of seven men, although Nikandros knows this vague legend only.
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“Apollo is not a god of the Hellenes alone, Nikandros – there are many peoples who know and worship him, even in the far north, and amongst the Aigyptian peoples to the east. I am told that Apollo is credited with deeds and miracles that we have not yet learned of here in Hellas, in these other places. As for the gifts – Apollo’s devotees in Hyperborea, to the very farthest north, live beyond the origins of Boreas’ frigid breath. As a result, their lands are pleasant and warm – their harvests beginning well before our own. In gratitude and thanks for Apollo’s blessings to their people, the Hyperborean kings send the first fruits of their harvest to the birthplace of the Apollo, through a series of envoys and devotees of the far-shooter, passing through Scythia and Thrace, before arriving in Prasiae, a village just outside Athens. From here, the Athenians receive the gifts and deliver them to the Altar of Horns. Once this is done, the Lesser Delia games begin, and the remainder of the day is given to the contests. Anios, of course, determines the victors with the counsel of his father.”

This information is surprising to you – you had not imagined that the Olympians might have devotees from foreign lands – but of course, how could this not be so? The gods travel freely throughout the world, traveling speedily through the air and seas – there must be other peoples who know them and worship them as the Hellenes do.

Palamedes speaks up as you consider this:

“You may be surprised to learn that there are foreign gods and goddesses as well, Nikandros – divinities that we do not know at all here in Hellas and whom have no temples here. Pollux has no doubt come across temples dedicated to their other divinities in his travels.” You nod at the thinly bearded man in thanks for his contribution.

Finally, you ask –

“And if I may ask, how does Anios work to gain the attentions of his divine father? Is there some pattern or process that is successful?” Dorippe stares at you flatly for a moment, before bursting into melodious laughter – she briefly reminds you of your mother, despite the vast differences in their appearance.

“Lord Nikandros, surely you cannot be asking me to know the minds of the immortal gods? My husband does what all mortals do – propitiates his father as best as he can, prays for his immortal attentions, and seeks to please him with all that he does. Apollo does what he desires and blesses Anios with his counsel when he sees fit – and I am not privy to their discussions. As to what pleases the gods as a group – foolish of you to ask me this when you sit beside one of the Dioscuri. Almost no living men would know better what pleases and displeases the gods than he!”

She laughs again as Pollux interjects:
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“Nikandros – the gods are not us – not like men, despite how they sometimes choose to appear. But in some ways, they can be alike to us. All gods and men desire fame – to mortals, Kleos is a way to earn eternal memory, to create legend that will live beyond our mortal flesh. To the gods, fame is something else altogether.” Pollux holds his tongue here, pausing for a moment, before continuing firmly:

“And I will speak no further of this, Nikandros. You have already done well, with your discovery of Achilles on Skyros - if you seek to further gain the attentions of one of the divines - become famous, start a cult, found a city! A man who does these things may quickly find himself with a divine patron. I know you seek to earn the favor of Nike – I have heard that beyond the typical libations and offerings, she of the golden wings prefers palm branches and pomegranates, and is especially fond of incense.”

You thank Pollux for his insight as usual - enthralled in the discussion as you are, you have been blind to the passage of time - the feast is ending. Remembering yourself, you eavedrop on the conversation between Anios, Menelaus and Ajax, as Palamedes and Dorippe engage in further discussion.

"- at dawn, join me at the cliffside, Menelaus - I would have you present if we are to determine the course of your envoy together." Anios is speaking, and Menelaus replies -

"I owe you many thanks, King Anios - it is always risky business to chance the gap to Ikaria, and I would sleep better knowing what the gods would favor."

Anios turns to Ajax and continues -

"And I have not forgotten the gracious gift that your crew has prepared for me, Prince Ajax - and I am eager to see what ransoms can be made of your pirate captains. Join me at mid-morning outside this tent and we shall make the proper arrangements." Anios' eyes dart towards yours, catching you in your eavesdropping. Anios continues with restrained mirth to the men sitting before him -

"And bring along any from your crew as you see fit." A statement clearly meant for you, you think, even though Anios regards only Prince Ajax and Menelaus as he speaks.
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You sleep well in your prepared tent - the bedding soft, the night breezes tempered by the light fabric. When you awake before dawn, you feel truly rested for the first time in weeks - but your mind is still damnably clouded. This malady is taking far longer to resolve than you had hoped. Regardless, you are a man of action, and men do not win eternal fame by lounging comfortably in their beds. You rise, making your morning offerings and consider the morning's actions.

>what do, /qst/?

>Find and locate Menelaus along the cliffsides of Delos - you wish to be present for Anios' display of augury and Menelaus' decision about how best to sail to the Troad.

>Join Ajax at the braced galleys, to oversee the transfer of slaves and captains to King Anios. Perhaps you may catch King Anios at a favorable disposition to ask for a prophecy at this time?

>Put aside the crew's concerns for a time, and instead hike along the coast of Delos - perhaps the clear air will help clear your thoughts?

>Ascend to the peak of Mount Cynthus, learning the terrain as best as you can. Of the events of the Lesser Delia, you haven't a chance in the contests of dancing, song, and poetry, especially concussed as you are - but perhaps a cunning plan and knowledge of the terrain could put you ahead in the footrace?

>Find one of the other heroes and spend the morning with them? If this option wins, it will trigger a sub-vote to determine who.

>Something else I haven't thought of?
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>>5754329
>Find and locate Menelaus along the cliffsides of Delos - you wish to be present for Anios' display of augury and Menelaus' decision about how best to sail to the Troad.
We didn't talk about the levant :(
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>>5754329
>Ascend to the peak of Mount Cynthus, learning the terrain as best as you can. Of the events of the Lesser Delia, you haven't a chance in the contests of dancing, song, and poetry, especially concussed as you are - but perhaps a cunning plan and knowledge of the terrain could put you ahead in the footrace?
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>>5754329
>>Join Ajax at the braced galleys, to oversee the transfer of slaves and captains to King Anios. Perhaps you may catch King Anios at a favorable disposition to ask for a prophecy at this time?

Can we talk with Tarkus while we work?

Also

>Nikandros: Is fortune on my side Anios?
>Anios: Let me see...
>*His eyes glow*
>Nikandros: What you see?
>Anios: *Rest his hand on his shoulder* If you return home, bring wood. And builders. You will need them.
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>>5754329
>>Ascend to the peak of Mount Cynthus, learning the terrain as best as you can. Of the events of the Lesser Delia, you haven't a chance in the contests of dancing, song, and poetry, especially concussed as you are - but perhaps a cunning plan and knowledge of the terrain could put you ahead in the footrace?
Shortcuts to success. Optimize your route. Speedrun strats. Practice our dash cancel.
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>>5754329
>Join Ajax at the braced galleys, to oversee the transfer of slaves and captains to King Anios. Perhaps you may catch King Anios at a favorable disposition to ask for a prophecy at this time?
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I'm going to let this vote run until tomorrow 12pm EST, given that it's a rather important choice for Nikandros to make, and there's not yet a sweeping consensus that I can see.

>>5754332

>no levant discussion

Ah, my sincere apologies, anon. I left it on the cutting room floor. Perhaps I'll insert a conversational retcon later.
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>>5754671
Don't worry about it Lesches, I just found it funny because you said didn't want to exclude anything
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>>5754329
>>Put aside the crew's concerns for a time, and instead hike along the coast of Delos - perhaps the clear air will help clear your thoughts?
MYSTERY BOX + CLEAR CONCUSSION
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>>5754767
Remember what happened the last time we went wandering around the countryside of a island with gods living on it? And this one has a river diety as living on it
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>>5754329
>Put aside the crew's concerns for a time, and instead hike along the coast of Delos - perhaps the clear air will help clear your thoughts?
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>>5754773
I can see the future, Nikon gets rid of the river hate debuff while Nira picks it up. He also gets a hug from Nike. Don't worry, it's platonic (they're both kissless virgins).
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>>5754781
Is this the same future as nikon becoming the god of failing upward?
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>>5754785
I want him to fail upward into Nike's womb
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>>5754339
>>5754329
Gonna change my vote to
>Put aside the crew's concerns for a time, and instead hike along the coast of Delos - perhaps the clear air will help clear your thoughts?
In the hopes that it'll help us get over the brain pain.
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>>5754786
She hasn't showered or come out of her neet cave for decades, anon.
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>>5754904
Mans is thirsty but dedicated.
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>>5754767
good point.
>>Put aside the crew's concerns for a time, and instead hike along the coast of Delos - perhaps the clear air will help clear your thoughts?
Though knowing the way votes have went in the past, we're probably end up going for the contest we physically cannot win, feeding the strength of perfectbuildfag, he of immaculate constitution
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>>5754976
He's dead, don't believe the fearmongering. If you build a phantom in your mind it will consume you. Don't do it anon.

What sucks is we're the underdog in every single contest here. Dancing? Odysseus has us beat, he's a fucking skillmonkey. Archery? Against the two best archers on the Achaean's side + Castor? Fuck that. Poetry with Palamedes the eternal dork and Odysseus who is the best man with words this side of the Aegean sea? Music? Okay if it weren't for Anios being here there probably wouldn't be anyone accounting for it but I'm sure Teukros has enough free time to spend singing. And of course the footrace, which I'll actually put Ajax in the running (kek) for, despite not being the swiftest of heroes, none of those present are notable for their incredible speed. Except maybe Castor and Pollux. But Ajax being so tall gives him huge strides and his huge strength surely lets him bound like a fucking gazelle. Teukros is a dexfag though, so maybe he has a decent chance.

Of course, Anios with his greater degree of divinity and long time spent doing all of this shit means that if he personally participates then everyone is going to be at a disadvantage. Except Odysseus. Who bribes Athena every single fucking second with promises of sacrifice and shit. It's good to be a king, I guess.
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>>5754329
>Put aside the crew's concerns for a time, and instead hike along the coast of Delos - perhaps the clear air will help clear your thoughts?
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>>5754327
>if you seek to further gain the attentions of one of the divines - become famous, start a cult, found a city! A man who does these things may quickly find himself with a divine patron.

Thinking about this, Nikon is in the prime position to become conqueror. The idea popped into my head to found a city after Nike, but there would have to be a good spot for such a city in Thessalia or further to the North, perhaps where the city of Thessaloniki actually is?

It was only founded in 315BC so loooong after when we are, and interestingly enough was apparently named literally 'Thessalian victory' or Thessalonike. It was one of the most important cities in the Eastern Roman Empire, so perhaps this could be a way to go?
(forgive le reddit spacing, big words scare anons :D)
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>>5755080
>forgive le reddit spacing

Was't reddit spacing something
Like
This?

About the city, that is smart. Maybe we can help Nike to survive the Christendom by spreading her fame beyond the borders of hellas.
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>>5755107
>something


>Like


>This?
Fuck
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>>5755107
>spreading her fame beyond the borders of hellas
Hyperborea calls lads. Will Nikandros answer?
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>>5755029

I may not have made this clear enough during Nikon's chat with Dorippe, but Anios himself does not participate in the games - he's the judge. Theoretically, Apollo is also helping Anios select the victory.

So Nikon would suspect the following participants at minimum, although there could be surprises later:

Nikandros
Teukros
Ajax
Palamedes
Odysseus
Menelaus
Castor
Pollux
Andros
Mykonos
Thasos

One thing to note - participants are not locked into the full day of events automatically. So, for example, Pollux is an absolute CHAD who will participate in everything regardless of his likelihood of winning - "you miss every shot you don't take" - but Palamedes, a pencil-necked geek with an IQ of 150, may very well choose to sit out events he is unlikely to win. Nikon will be able to forgo events when the times comes, if anons vote for this.

Finally, I"ll actually be rolling for participants behind the scenes for each event, to determine who will participate.
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>>5753614
It's Mr. AI Art Anon here.
>>5754329
>Ascend to the peak of Mount Cynthus, learning the terrain as best as you can. Of the events of the Lesser Delia, you haven't a chance in the contests of dancing, song, and poetry, especially concussed as you are - but perhaps a cunning plan and knowledge of the terrain could put you ahead in the footrace?
Let us survey the battlefield!
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Find menelaus

>>5754332

mountaineering

>>5754351
>>5755207

Find Ajax

>>5754344
>>5754570

Coastline jaunt

>>5754767
>>5754777
>>5754810
>>5754976
>>5755044

Clear majority for MYSTERY BOX, update out momentarily
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You are the first to leave your tent, in the misty pre-dawn of King Anios’ court – the white tents are reminiscent of sails to your eyes, after so much time at sea. Yellow-robed Eos is still preparing for the day’s ride within her brother’s palace in the East. The many servants of King Anios have not yet begun to filter out of their own tents, and so you are alone as you exit the grounds of Anios’ royal household. There is near-perfect silence, only the muffled rustling of the tents by the cool morning breeze. You take your shield and spear, strapped to your back – these you had taken with you to Anios’ realm, but your panoplia and sword are safely stowed within your chest upon Ajax’s galley.

You rest your mind, thinking of nothing and no-one in particular – only the next footstep to make. You make your way down the hillside before Anios’ tent accommodations, turning towards the east as you go, wrapping around Mount Cynthus’ steep descent – you wish to see the sun rising over the waters of Oceanus, something that you have grown to enjoy over your weeks at sea. Making your way through the rocky mountainside of Delos is reassuring, but you are homesick for the rolling hills of Thessaly. You wonder how your sister fares, managing your home estates. You say silent prayers for her wellbeing as you cross below the treeline, and turning north, you stride across the sandy beaches below Mount Cynthus.

The island itself is quite small – your long legs churn through stadia of shoreline, and you are struck by the untouched beauty of the island. Even through the ocean fog, you can tell the island is teeming with life – on your left, lush forests seem to be full of birds of all varieties, their morning songs beginning, and the beaches themselves teem with sleeping gulls. Crossing into the northern territory of the island, there are rolling plains and meadows – more than once, you stumble across small groups of enormous deer, who leap away from you, their forms only just visible through the thinning fog.

After almost an hour of hiking, you find a fine place to wait and watch for the rising dawn. It strikes you that you have not heard the sounds of sheep, cattle, goats or swine since your arrival on Delos – this end of the island, at least, seems to be free of almost any sign of human settlement or livestock.

As you sit upon a large stone, overlooking the sea, you do your best to gauge your mental state – you have taken Castor’s advice to rest well and be patient, upon Ajax’s galley – but such advice is difficult to adhere to, when one is attacked by raiding pirates or given the opportunity to learn from famous and talented men of divine ancestry.

>players, I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20. This is a CON roll-under mechanic, so both rolls must be 14 or lower for Nikon’s [CONCUSSION] malus to be reduced to [FADING CONCUSSION]. Don’t fret if he fails this contest – his head will clear well before he reaches Troy…
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Rolled 7 (1d20)

>>5755324
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Rolled 13 (1d20)

>>5755324
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Rolled 12 (1d20)

>>5755324
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>>5755343
>>5755362
Nice
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>>5755343
>>5755362

Well, I’ll be darned. Nikon’s head is finally starting to clear. His social stat malus is now only -1.

Okay lads, now it’s time for the REAL roll - on the Homeric Happenings Random Event table.

I need ONE roll of dice+1d20. Higher is not necessarily better, FYI
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Rolled 19 (1d20)

>>5755370
What shall be found on this godly island?
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>>5755377

Hmm, interdasting.

Someone give me another dice+1d3.

Update should be out later tonight.
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Rolled 2 (1d3)

>>5755380
Rollan
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Rolled 12 (1d20)

>>5755377
>>5755385

>High roll to find a god or spirit

>We have a 1d3 roll

My bet is that we would face one of the big bros here.

Rolling for anal circumference.
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>>5755392
Nah can't be one of the big three bros. Hades doesn't come out for no reason. Too busy writing poetry for his beloved and making sure the dead aren't being unruly.
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>>5755403
I can imagine two of the options would be Delia and Inopos, but I'm unsure about the third one. Apollo coming to see his birthday, and his son? Artemis, since she's Apollo's twin?
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>>5755410
I'm thinking it could be a Nereid or an Naiad. Not one of the powerful gods but a child of one or a powerful spirit. There are also forests aplenty here, could be a Meliae. I thought there were ash trees here. I would say an Oread but I don't know if one would wander down to the shoreline from the mountain. Then again, small island so it isn't that far.

I sure hope we don't come across Artemis. If you thought Thetis was a snippy bitch, you're gonna hate the huntress.
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>>5755380
>Nikon retreats to nature, not a soul in sight only the birds and wildlife
>Headache finally begins to clear

>oh, hey there mortal i was just looking for some schmuck to rope into owing me , the awesome river god, an ominous non-descript favor in the future and.. wait why are you lifting that heavy rock?
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>>5755492
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>>5755492
When mortal weapons struggle to wound the gods you gotta get creative. Or primitive.
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>>5755123
Praise be to Hyperborea!

>>5755547
ROCK THE RIVER
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Eos appears – extending her rosy fingers over the edges of the horizon, illuminating the sky in shades of pink, orange, yellow. You breathe deeply, enjoying the time alone – amongst a cramped galley, isolation is a rare commodity. You take in the sights and sounds of the shore, as the gulls wake and say their morning prayers. In a few minutes more, Helios springs into flight as well – his radiance first an ember’s red, before its transmutation into a golden bonfire.

To your delight, the fog within your mind dissipates along with the mists along the Delian coastline – the first sign of relief in your mental condition since your sparring bout with Diomedes, King of Argos, weeks ago. Your thoughts are no longer shackled and stumbly blindly – your tongue no longer lies as thickly in your mouth. There is a residual dullness, yes – but your heart brims with relief. Some part of you had feared that you might never make a full recovery, but here is a sign that you are on the mend. You sit for a few minutes more, savoring the moment, before you stand. Rather than hiking back the way you came, you cut west across the narrow isle, tramping through the fields and meadows, with Mount Cynthus rising on your left-hand side. Deer roam freely through copses of cypress, oak and pine – the thriving underbrush providing them with ample means to hide from your passage.

As the morning moves on, you find yourself pulled along babbling brooks, cast off by Inopos in the hillside above, and searching for a safe fording (preferably keeping your sandals dry), follow them to a small lake – perhaps thirty strides across, it is home to a surprisingly large quantity of swans. You crouch besides the waters to better observe them, and listen to the buzz of insects – but your observation of the swans is interrupted.

A young man, lightly bearded and with long brown hair bound up, parts the reeds along the lakeside, walking alongside two large hounds – the dogs slip by him to lap thirstily at the water. You meet the eyes of the young man and recognize him as Andros, one of Anios’ sons – he has the same high cheekbones of his father. In his hands, he carries a bundle of larkspur, the purple flowers sacred to Apollo.

“Hail, Prince Andros!” you call out to him calmly, raising a hand in greeting. “We did not have a chance to converse last night – I am Nikandros of Thessaly.” It is not in your nature to smile easily, but you grant him a polite nod.

Andros returns your gesture before asking amiably – “What brings you here, Nikandros? I did not expect to find one of my father’s guests here at the sacred waters.”
You answer him honestly, explaining that you had hiked to the shoreline to catch the sunrise, and perhaps clear your mind – you explain that you have been a bit fuzzy since a sparring accident in Mycenae. This seems to catch Andros’ interest, and he ambles a bit closer, stumbling over the vegetation.

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“Ah, Nikandros – the best way to clear one’s mind is to consider a puzzle! I have one of my own to share with you – and you being a stranger, you have no reason not to give your honest thoughts!” Andros seems a bit excitable, but otherwise well-meaning. You motion him to continue, and he goes on:

“These two hunting hounds were gifted to me by my eldest brother, Thasos, when I became a man – he breeds and trains them as a hobby, you see. They are brothers, born of the same litter, and identical – truthfully, I have trouble telling them apart sometimes. When I had received them as puppies, I named one Sôphrosunê, because he would wait patiently for permission to eat his dinner, and the other Anaisthêsia, because he could never wait.”

Andros continues, his eyes serious:

“My father, King Anios, is gifted in augury, as you are aware – and I asked that he prophesy their future hunting abilities. He foretold that Sôphrosunê would be a master hunting dog, with excellent discipline, and that Anaisthesia would be incorrigible, untrainable – insensate to the corrective beatings that my brother Thasos would deliver. And so it has held true – Sôphrosunê has become a masterful hunter, and Anaisthesia is useless in the hunt – so useless, I have given up his training entirely.”

“So now, I ask you, Nikandros, which is your opinion – that the prophecy was fated by the spinners when it was spoken by my father, and that fate dictated the behavior of the hounds accordingly? Or perhaps that the prophecy itself held no power, but once uttered, was believed by me and my brother Thasos, and this influenced our behavior towards the hounds, and so I brought about the prophecy myself through my actions?” You furrow your brow at Andros – surely, this cannot be a riddle he poses to all guests on Delos – what a strange man.

Andros, perhaps misreading your expression as deep consideration, leans a bit closer and adds:

“And yet, there is perhaps a third possibility – that the prophecy was true, and is true now, but now having been achieved, is powerless. Perhaps we have misunderstood the prophecy itself and if I was to train Anaisthesia, he might surmount expectations. So, I ask again, Nikandros – which of the three explanations seems best?”

The question hangs in the air – your heart is divided by the riddle.

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>Well, /qst/ - what does Nikon believe?

>"The fates control the destiny of the dogs - I am told even the gods are bound by the will of the Moirae. Your father, Anios, augured the dogs true destiny - and it would have come to pass whether you wished it or not." This is the classic view of destiny in Hellas, and would likely please Andros, scion of prophets.

>"It is the belief in the prophecy that lends it strength, Andros - what if you had decided to drown the dogs after the prophecy was delivered? The prophecy would then be broken by the will of one man." This would be a controversial opinion, impious in its implication that the prophecies of the gods are meaningless. Stating this opinion aloud on Delos, to the son of a prophet, may be inadvisable.

>"Perhaps, it is as you say, Andros - that prophecies can be both true and infallible, and yet not insurmountable to a man of dedication and insight. Anaisthesia may yet learn to hunt, if you choose to train him."

>Something else?
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>>5755866
>"Perhaps, it is as you say, Andros - that prophecies can be both true and infallible, and yet not insurmountable to a man of dedication and insight. Anaisthesia may yet learn to hunt, if you choose to train him."
>"Chasing prophecies, or avoiding them, can lead to madness and tragedy. None are free from fate, but very few, if any, have understood it's nuances completely. I believe it is best to treat augury as sagely advice rather then a monolithic mandate"
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>>5755866
>"Perhaps, it is as you say, Andros - that prophecies can be both true and infallible, and yet not insurmountable to a man of dedication and insight. Anaisthesia may yet learn to hunt, if you choose to train him."
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>>5755866
>>Something else?
>Perhaps the crux of the issue lies in belief. Has mighty Zeus not surmounted prophecy before? Certainly the strings of fate are powerful, sometimes even infallible. Yet as the gods themselves prove sometimes they can be overcome. Thus the pursuit of our own aims in spite of the weavers' wills can be nothing if not noble.
It's not that the fates are powerless, just that most people aren't powerful or clever enough to subvert them.
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>>5755866
>"Perhaps, it is as you say, Andros - that prophecies can be both true and infallible, and yet not insurmountable to a man of dedication and insight. Anaisthesia may yet learn to hunt, if you choose to train him."
Wonder how this conversation would've been like with the MAXIMUM SEER.
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>>5755961
Mad screaming
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>>5755961
>DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?
Imagine asking a guy who can smell the future if he believes in fate and then he up and drops a bombshell prophecy on you. Fucking LBA, man.
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>>5755866
>"Perhaps, it is as you say, Andros - that prophecies can be both true and infallible, and yet not insurmountable to a man of dedication and insight. Anaisthesia may yet learn to hunt, if you choose to train him."
>"Like the story of Metis, and her unborn son. (whatever Greek title this shitter gets) Zeus acted against fate, and while the threat is still there, he has twisted it enough in his favor to remain King."

For the referenced story, Zeus swallowed a chick he had sex with after tricking her into becoming a fly. All due to a prophecy where she would have a son who would overthrow him. I think it's a good example of twisting or changing fate enough to benefit. Unless that story isn't quest Canon and I'm retarded
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>>5755991
>"Lol Nikandros is fate rea-"
>"YOOOOOUUUUU, YOUR FUTURE, TESTICULAR TORSION BY SEVENTEEN AUTISTIC PHOENICIANS!"
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>>5756051
Surprisingly straightforward.
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>>5756051
I just sat on balls and now I read this while in pain.
Fate is a bitch.
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>>5756062
Oh, lemme muddy the words for you
>"Your children will swim upon themselves in a heaving waterspout. Beware they that bear the mindful madness of lacking hearts."

>>5756070
MAXIMUM SEER is no mere build. He is real. And he is always murmuring. Ouch
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what do you guys think about this desktop banner ad? I think it's comparatively better than the mobile one I did.

Please critique!
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>>5756083
The letters seem to be faded compared with the background, but it might just be me.
And I'm still a Call to Action believer.
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>>5756089

Oh I forgot about that, will have to whip up another version tomorrow
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>>5756083
i like it
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>>5756009
>>5755904
I like these.
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>>5756338

what about this version?
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Nice
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>>5755866
>"Perhaps, it is as you say, Andros - that prophecies can be both true and infallible, and yet not insurmountable to a man of dedication and insight. Anaisthesia may yet learn to hunt, if you choose to train him."
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>>5756358
very nice
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>>5756358

I'll let the vote run until 12pm EST since it's an important one, although I appreciate that the consensus is already clear.

In terms of the banner ad - would any anon step forwards to fund the ad run for $20? I paid for the first run, obviously, but it would be nice if one of the players was willing to chip in... I can also walk the volunteer through the Danbo ad purchase process if that is a barrier.

Last time, I ran the ad on the following boards:

/tg/
/vrpg/
/vst/
/vr/
/lit/
/his/
/k/
/int/

This time, I think we should go for the bigger boards, like /v/ and /tv/.

I'll also point out that since we organized an ad run out of /qtg/, /qst/ board volume steadily increased through the last part of August. If you check 4stats.io, we're on track for the most-active 24 hour period since April (and TWQ's original demise). Hard to prove that these two things are connected, but it follows logically to me, at least.
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>>5755866
>>"Perhaps, it is as you say, Andros - that prophecies can be both true and infallible, and yet not insurmountable to a man of dedication and insight. Anaisthesia may yet learn to hunt, if you choose to train him."
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>>5756358
Looks good
>>5756388
/v/ is probably too busy shitposting about Starfield currently
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>>5756576
Lol

>Menelaus see both them talking
>"There are two of them now!"
>He begins to investigate how to multiply heroes by mitosis.
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Of course, your mind turns to petteia – a game in which a single move at the outset of play can dictate the shape of the game to come. And yet – such influences are not absolute. Through clever strategy and application of force, one can sometimes find a path to victory even if the odds are overwhelmingly against you. All the better if your opponent believes that their victory is guaranteed – such blindness can be exploited by the clever player.

Beyond this knowledge won through endless games of petteia – some part of your being rejects the concept that fate is immutable, that your actions are controlled by the whims of the gods and of the Fates. Confronted with Andros' riddle, you find that you believe that your decisions DO matter, and that perhaps, you can struggle against fate to shift your destiny.

And yet, you recognize that even the gods struggle unsuccessfully against prophecy and the will of the Moirae – how can a mortal do what a god cannot? You wrestle with the dilemma – until your freshly-agile mind finds purchase:

“A vexing problem, Andros. But it seems to me, at least, that the crux of the issue lies in belief. Has not Zeus, the loud-thunderer, been confronted with unfavorable prophecy, and through clever action, prevented or delayed the prophecy from coming to pass?” Here, you consider the marriage of Peleus to Thetis – Achilles having heard from his mother about the prophecy of his greatness and he, passing this story onto you.

You continue on:

“Zeus clearly must believe in prophecy, prompting action when he sees fit, and yet, if struggle against prophecy is fruitless, then why would Zeus of the wise counsels do this? It must be as you say, Andros - that prophecies can be both true and infallible, and yet, not insurmountable – and perhaps, they can be misinterpreted as well. Some men are prophesied one fate or another, and many simply resign themselves to the outcome, believing that to struggle against the spinners is hopeless. But I think it better to take inspiration from Zeus, Andros, than from these hopeless men… I believe that Anaisthesia may yet learn to hunt, if you choose to train him!”

Andros listens to your words, his dark eyes glimmering in the morning sun – when you finish your reply, he turns his head to the sacred lake, and rests his head in contemplation, humming a tuneful melody. In the distance, the swans glide gently over the water – the air carries the warm scents of the sea.

It is a peaceful moment, as you wait for Andros’ reply.

>players, I need two rolls of dice+1d20+5 against my 2d20.
>crits WILL apply, say your prayers
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Rolled 2, 2 = 4 (2d20)

>>5756649
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Rolled 11 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5756649
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Rolled 15 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5756649
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>>5756655
>>5756660

Well done, anons. I’m hoping to get another update out tonight, will keep everyone updated
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>>5756650
>>5756655
>>5756660
Lol
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>>5756671
Damn near double critfailed he did. Apparently even dice think fate is overrated. If degrees of success apply here we'd be swimming in them.
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>>5756649
With these romantic descriptions, I almost thought they were going to kiss. With these rolls, the thought grows more powerful.
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>>5756718

Nikon’s not pretty enough for this kind of attention, but I did chuckle at your post.

You guys rolled very well and this will be an impactful discussion - 50% chance I can get another funky update out before 12am EST tonight
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Do you guys think we can score a dog here if we do it cleverly? Something along the lines of

>Maybe fiery Anaisthêsia was really not born for the quiet of the hunt but for the heat of battle? What would you say if I were to take him to troy, to see if there is a hero hidden under this fur?
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>>5756724
Please don't ask for an animal companion, it's just going to die.
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>>5756724
>>Maybe fiery Anaisthêsia was really not born for the quiet of the hunt but for the heat of battle? What would you say if I were to take him to troy, to see if there is a hero hidden under this fur?

>"Common men can rise above their limitations at crucial moments when filled with verve and courage they realize they run, breathe and bleed with heroes. Why can't a simple beast grow up to become a glorious hunter too?"
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>>5756772
Not if we get something like a pet hydra. Good luck killing that, Trojans.
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>>5756786
Heracles might descend from Olympus to kill it for shit and giggles.
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>>5756786
Something like Helm's Deep battle?

>The allies of the Trojans prepare an ambush in sea at night, helped by a strange fog.
>Agamemnon's fleet is taken by surprise, hundreds are killed.
>"We have to retreat, my lord!" The generals shout.
>Some rays of light begin to appear on the horizon.
>"Wait!" orders Menelaus.
>Nikandros, Ajax and Pollux appear through the mist, each riding on one of the heads of the hydra.
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After a long minute, Andros turns back to you, his lean face showing a wide grin.

“What an unexpected development – a well-reasoned argument from a hulking soldier, logos from a man of the wild lands of Thessaly. Your words are wiser than you know, Nikandros!”

Andros points to his hounds – they are well-bred beasts, with clean limbs and deep chests – you have no doubt that together they could bring down a stag, with their fanged maws – their dangerous appearance is spoiled somewhat by their relaxed demeanor – wagging, pink tongues and white crowns of fur catching your eye in the morning light. They are mirror images to one another, duplicates – a striking pair.

“I spoke falsely before, in the service of my riddling – these hounds are identical as you can see, but both are master hunters, Nikandros, and Anaisthesia is just as deadly as his brother. My father loves them dearly, even with all the messes they have created through their hunts, but his wife loathes them – she has been plotting for years to destroy them. I myself care not for them, not truly – but I love my father, and I wish him happiness. And so when it was prophesied that Anaisthesia and Sôphrosunê would be slain through one of these plots, my father wept bitterly, for he cannot always intervene, even if he wishes it so. You see, my hounds are fated to be slain by another pair of their bloodline, and in the place of their birth.”

Andros meets your eye solemnly.

“And yet I wonder – perhaps this prophecy is not so absolute as it is believed.” Andros extends a hand to you, clearly requesting your assistance to stand, and without thinking, you grasp his hand to lift him. As you do, a peculiar sensation travels up your right arm, and warms your chest – an oddity that you cannot interpret.

>Nikandros has banked one (1) all-purpose re-roll, as if he had taken the Augur trait and analyzed a sacrifice.

Andros releases his grip and steps away from you, saying –

“I am interested to see what the son of Hippomedon and Euanippe does next!”

Your mother’s name escaping the barrier of Andros’ teeth shocks you – you did not expect to hear her name today, and you are suddenly quite sure that you have not been truly speaking with a prince of Delos, but one of the deathless gods. You take a fearful step back from the daimon…who laughs melodiously at your alarm.

“Fret not, young Nikandros – you have amused me this morning. One last word of advice – the Athenian delegation has hidden the Ship of Theseus by the northern-most promontory of the isle – not their usual harbor. You have explored this side of the island quite well, Nikandros - perhaps Menestheus would appreciate a guide to the oikos of King Anios?”

And with that, the daimon marches off. He passes through a copse of trees – and you lose him amongst the brush.

Anxiously, you scan your surroundings, but see only swans, the lake – empty fields and trees...
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Next update will likely be tomorrow evening - I'm booked for the rest of evening. have a good night, all.
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>>5756826
Holy crap. MAXIMUM SEER is backing us.

Gods have mercy.
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>>5756826
>>5756834
Thanks and well done. Shit that is a powerful boon. Guesses on who this was? Wow, we are deceptively smart. I can't wait till we gain a reputation for finding things and being insightful. First Achilles, Now the Ship of Theseus, what's next? Perhaps we are on our way to obtaining the one legendary trait no demigod ever gained, common sense.
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>>5756846
>>5756861

My guess based on the low intelligence bonus is that this was a lesser god who was either a powerful seer in life or fucked Appolla. That or this god gave us a fighting chance.
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>Delios
>Young Man
>Prophecy
>a god
Chance of it being Apollo, and if that's true, then I think the story of the two hounds is a metaphor.
For Castor and Pollux.
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>>5756911
WHO ARE YOU AND WHY ARE YOU MAKING SENSE
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>>5756990
The squares are making circles, anon.
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>>5756998
well anon a quick jaunt to wikischmedia tells me that Castor and Pollux are fated to be killed by twins themselves so perhaps it is a metaphor
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>>5757049
Well if we were going off of that, it is likely they'd be dead already. Of course, time is a strange thing so far removed. Maybe that part of their story hasn't happened yet, despite a portion of it needing to happen for this whole shebang to start.

I suppose it depends on which historian you ask. But it absolutely could be them.
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>>5756826
A reroll is really nice, especially in this harsh combat system.
I wonder if the MAXIMUM SEER would've seen through the disguise.
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>>5757125
Kind of wish there was a Trojan War Quest: Alternate Reality where we get to see snippets of his madness.
Only snippets though, I imagine that playing him full time would be very exhausting.
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>>5757148
Trojan War Quest: Many Fates, when you want to play for a day or two as one of the various builds and traitsets before getting a slice of the others. The whiplash of going from Autistikandros to MAXIMUM SEER would break necks.

>"Peleus I am not Telamon, I am Nikandros Hippomedon, are you stupid?" gains Kleos for talking shit with no fear to a great king, also gets kicked out of the city immediately
>"BOY OF STYGIAN SKIN I KNOW YOU ARE HERE, IN TIME SO WILL THE SAILOR WHOSE TONGUE DRIPS HONEY, AND WITH HIS COMING SHALL YOU SHOW YOUR CHILDREN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN FOR YOU ARE NO DOVE BUT A MIGHTY LION!" local thessalian screams at a basket on the docks of skyros
Honestly the worst part of MAXIMUM SEER is just trying to write something batshit insane that can be deciphered while still sounding batshit insane and not just being a game of homonyms.
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>>5757188
I'd imagine 'Nira is just the same in these realities but more exasperated.
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>>5757188
Can't forget the fight monster that would be Capadocius + giant + fresh blood.
Utterly useless in anything but a fight, but just doesn't go down.
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>>5757205
>nira's fw when her mentally handicapped brother starts fighting the local streams

>>5757209
Berserkandros may only be able to speak in single syllables but they all rhyme with the sound your skull is gonna make when he stomps it on the dirt. Gonna need Asclepius himself to put whoever fucks with him back together.
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>>5757229
We must recruit beavers to help fight against the otter army of the river deities.
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>>5757229
My fucking sides. Who the hell comes up with these magazine/movie/book covers?
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>>5757236
I found a treasure trove of these things here:
https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/leisure/vintage-mens-adventure-magazines/
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>>5757237
By the gods, so many of them are people fighting animals in the water! All these memes, just waiting to be made
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>>5757237
There are a couple of gold ones in there. Nikon and Nira defending themselves from snakes sent by river spirits. For escaping Troy and Hector's wrath. Captured by Amazons for snu snu. Getting our shit rocked by Diomedes. And the last one, Agamemnon demanding his "rightful spoils" from Achilles.

It is true. Real manly men hate and fight rivers and sea creatures. I'm fucking dying here kek
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All I'm saying is that if you own land, having a river is proof of ineptitude. Can't turn it into anything? A fish pond? Irrigation canals? Worthless landowner.
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>>5757267
>t. nikandros roasting the fuck out of every noble he comes across
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>>5757229

This is fucking hilarious, excellent work anon
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I had more free time this morning than I thought, here's an ahead-of-schedule update

You can’t bring yourself to leave the lakeside for several minutes – you are uncharacteristically paranoid, checking yourself repeatedly for signs of alteration. There are many tales of men being transformed by the gods into some creature or another, but you eventually come to believe that you have escaped your meeting with the daimon or divine without harm. Although, that odd sensation of warmth still lingers within your breast, flaring from time to time – but you find this to be a reassurance, even if you cannot articulate why. You put the incident behind you, although you make a mental note to consider Andros’ tale about his hounds further – this tale was clearly meant to convey something to you.

The chariot of Ηλεκτωρ Helios has advanced considerably above you, ascending to his highest point – you seem to have lost time in the day, despite your conversation with Andros lasting only minutes in your memory. You consider the words of the daimon before it vanished – a suggestion to seek out Menestheus and his Athenian delegation on the northern-most end of the island – and decide to follow its advice. Ignoring the counsel of the divines on Delos, where divine eyes are everywhere, strikes you as unwise.

Putting Mount Cynthus at your back, you march north, until you find the promontory that the daimon had mentioned – but you see no ship and no group of Athenians. Puzzled, you descend onto the sandy shore – until you find a series of deep gouges impressed upon the wet beach. Shading your eyes, you scour the shoreline again from your new position, until you see a large-mouthed cave set into the hillside – not visible from above. You put together the daimon’s statement and Pollux’s comment about tardiness from Menestheus – clearly, the man must have learned through some fashion that Menelaus is present on the island and is hoping to avoid contact with him, perhaps to delay honoring his Oath. The cave is just large enough for a ship to be hidden, if the mast was removed from the mastbox, and as you approach the cave, you see that the bottom is sandy – safe for a galley’s hull, if the crew was careful in their placement.


>cont
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From within the cave, you hear the clear sounds of sailors talking with one another, but before you can call out to them – you hear a shout of surprise. To your right, you see a gray-bearded nobleman, lean of frame and of average height – his hair retains more of its dark color. You immediately deduce that he must be Menestheus, King of Athens, returning from a jaunt along the beachside! From your discussions with Castor and Pollux, you remember that he had been placed upon the Athenian throne when Theseus abandoned it to abduct Helen (the first time she was kidnapped). In the decades since, he has been a stalwart ally to Menelaus and Agamemnon, supporting them with military forces and his excellent generalship, and in return, the house of Atreides has lent their support for his Kingship. The man is said to be intelligent and charming, but at a glance, you know that he is not a soldier.

Needless to say, you have caught Menestheus by surprise, and can dictate the broad course of your conversation – but how to proceed?

>what do, /qst/?

>Introduce yourself as Nikandros of Thessaly and make an overture with winged words to Menestheus – that he should accompany you to the oikos of King Anios, and you could serve as a guide as the daimon suggested. However, the man has gone to some lengths to keep his presence on the isle of Delos hidden, and he is said to be a charming conversationalist himself…

>Intimidate Menestheus with your physical size and demand that he join you on your return to Anios. Perhaps the implication of violence may succeed where winged words cannot? Your massive frame may be more convincing that any rhetoric that you can produce.

>After introductions, challenge Menestheus to a game of petteia – if he is the victory, you will swear to silence about his location here on the beach of Delos with a strong oath. If you are the victor, he must accompany you to Menelaus. As a man of intellect and strategic interest, perhaps he would gamble on his ability to defeat you at stones?

>Something else?
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>>5757510
>After introductions, challenge Menestheus to a game of petteia – if he is the victory, you will swear to silence about his location here on the beach of Delos with a strong oath. If you are the victor, he must accompany you to Menelaus. As a man of intellect and strategic interest, perhaps he would gamble on his ability to defeat you at stones?
It is a king, gods save Nikon.
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>>5757510
>Introduce yourself as Nikandros of Thessaly and make an overture with winged words to Menestheus – that he should accompany you to the oikos of King Anios, and you could serve as a guide as the daimon suggested. However, the man has gone to some lengths to keep his presence on the isle of Delos hidden, and he is said to be a charming conversationalist himself…
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So convincing is a charisma vs willpower right? Maybe we could better out chances by mentioning a deathless god pointed out this location to us.
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>>5757510
>>Introduce yourself as Nikandros of Thessaly and make an overture with winged words to Menestheus – that he should accompany you to the oikos of King Anios, and you could serve as a guide as the daimon suggested.

>"I have been led here by divine hand, not by mortal politics."

>>5757523
This
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>>5757511
I change my vote to this
>Introduce yourself as Nikandros of Thessaly and make an overture with winged words to Menestheus – that he should accompany you to the oikos of King Anios, and you could serve as a guide as the daimon suggested. However, the man has gone to some lengths to keep his presence on the isle of Delos hidden, and he is said to be a charming conversationalist himself…
If the man doesn’t agree we’ll just tattle
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>>5757510
>After introductions, challenge Menestheus to a game of petteia – if he is the victory, you will swear to silence about his location here on the beach of Delos with a strong oath. If you are the victor, he must accompany you to Menelaus. As a man of intellect and strategic interest, perhaps he would gamble on his ability to defeat you at stones?
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>>5757510
>Introduce yourself as Nikandros of Thessaly and make an overture with winged words to Menestheus – that he should accompany you to the oikos of King Anios, and you could serve as a guide as the daimon suggested. However, the man has gone to some lengths to keep his presence on the isle of Delos hidden, and he is said to be a charming conversationalist himself…
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>>5757529
I support this

Also another point is:
Do we drop that a god told us
During the introduction: so he doesn't lose face by making excuses
Or after he makes his excuses and tries to silence us to gleam at what his game is and the reason he's stalling?
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>>5757510

>Intimidate Menestheus with your physical size and demand that he join you on your return to Anios. Perhaps the implication of violence may succeed where winged words cannot? Your massive frame may be more convincing that any rhetoric that you can produce.


We don't need to go the brainy route every time
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>>5757663
Big brain here
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Let's talk it out broseidon

>>5757518
>>5757529
>>5757537
>>5757560
>>5757663

stones

>>5757552

flex on that lil b

>>5757671

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Let's talk it out wins! Nikon continues to over-estimate his persuasiveness, update should be out within 2 hours
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>>5757890
To be fair, times Nikon persuasion has failed: 2, times it has worked, like 4. Not counting the autofails that come from trying to not schmooze Odrippytits and the like.
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>>5757903
Worst case scenario we just pick him up and carry him back.
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>>5757906
I don't particularly feel like getting stabbed by an entire ship's crew. So it'll be good practice for the footrace later.
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>>5757910
Didn’t Nikon quite literally beat up the royal guard of Agamemnon with no weapons and no armor? Would sailors be much more difficult?
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>>5757918
They know the ways of water anon
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>>5757920
KILL
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>>5757918
I think it was with training gear. I also think defending ourselves from a bunch of guys trying to kill us instead of in a training session is a bit different. Right now all they would know is a big fucker showed up and tried to kidnap their king. And announcing our name would still mean nothing to them, most likely. Though Menestheus would realize who we are really quick.
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>>5757924
>a big fucker showed up and tried to kidnap their king
Sounds like an average LBA night
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>>5757925
>Man SHIT, fifth time this week.
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You hold your hands out, palms facing Menestheus – and you leave your spear and shield strapped to your back. You freeze in place, allowing the King of Athens to better evaluate you -his eyes dart towards the cave and back to your hands numerous times.

“I am Nikandros of Thessaly, son of Hippomedon,” you state calmly. Puzzlement washes over the grizzled face of Menestheus, and he replies,

“You are far from the barbaroi hills of Hellas, son of Hippomedon – what business have you on Delos?” You notice that as he speaks, he is edging towards the open mouth of the cave, his sandaled feet dragging over the sand. From the corner of your eye, you see movement from the cave mouth – no doubt his prior shout of alarm has prompted investigation from his crew.

“I come to Delos on the business of King Agamemnon and Menelaus – and I am accompanied by Prince Ajax of Salamis, Castor and Pollux, Prince Palamedes of Euboea, and King Odysseus of Ithaca.” You momentarily hesitate here – would Menelaus want you to disclose the purpose of your travels? You take a gamble and continue – “We sail to Ilion as diplomatic envoy, to entreat King Priam for the return of kidnapped Helen.” Menestheus face pales at the mention of Menelaus, and goes corpse-white at the mention of Castor and Pollux – for an old friend of house Atreides, he does not seem overly pleased to hear these names.

“But what business do you have HERE, Thessalian?” Menestheus splutters.

Maintaining your composure, you speak directly:

“One of the deathless gods directed me to this cave, so that I might guide you to King Anios’ encampment upon the hillside of Mount Cynthus. This is the will of the gods.” You make no ostentatious flourish here, simply stating the truth without embellishment. Menestheus’ eyes narrow at this – you see the wheels turning above his eyes, but you’re unsure how he will respond.

>okay players, give me TWO rolls of dice+1d20+2 for Nikon’s diplomancy attempt. I'm apply a +2 bonus for casually namedropping Olympus, these words carrying the ring of truth.
>I will be rolling a dice+3d20+1 for Menestheus’ WILL to resist – he REALLY doesn’t want to see Menelaus today.
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Rolled 8 + 2 (1d20 + 2)

>>5757968
Diplomancing Nikon!
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Bit surprised there isn't an additional bonus for popping out of seemingly nowhere, sort of like how Nikon surprised Peleus back in thread 1. Guess deciding the direction of the convo was that tho
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I'm quaking with anticipation. Which brave anon will make the second roll and tank our rep with the blue nerds?
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Rolled 17 + 2 (1d20 + 2)

>>5757977
Oh you WANT a failure? Okay I got you blud

>>5757968
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>>5757979
Ah, I am such a disappointment.
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>>5757979
Our attempts to use charisma when we have a build of int and str will never cease to amuse me
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>>5757984
A swing and a miss, thanks though. I was too big of a pussy to do it myself.
>>5757987
I didn't want to be mean to him with the intimidation choice :(
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>>5757987
To be fair, there is probably always some hidden contextual malus for people rolling against someone who looks like they can fold you three times with their bare hands and they decide to ask nicely instead. Just like real life.

>>5757988
I can't pass when I want to. I can't fail when I need to. This cursed existence brings me great sorrow. Is this what Cassandra feels when she speaks prophecy? By the gods.
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>>5757989
>You can get much further with a kind word and a rock than with a kind word alone - Nikandros Hippomedion
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>>5757988
Me too, I'm too much of a softie.
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>>5757989
I, for one, am pleased with your failure in this case.
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>>5757988
Huh, I chose against threatening because it seems dangerous to imply violence against a king, especially of the Homeric variety for they hold grudges.
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>>5757996
You're not wrong but Menestheus is kind of a pussy up until the siege of Troy proper IIRC. He's a good commander though which is nice and a good reason to not make him hate us.
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>Am busy
>Miss update
>We're going to have to hunt down Menestheus
At least dragging him to the High King should give kleos. Should have known your fate was sealed when the giant with [Dutiful] was after you, fagget
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>>5758014
>POV you're royalty and a thessalian giant has decided to find you
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>>5757968
>>5757979

>19 vs 17
>Nikon wins marginally, but a win is a win
>for clarity, the diplomance option was meant to be harder but otherwise not penalize Nikandros' relationship with Menestheus (and that has occurred).

Menestheus exhales in deep resignation, his eyes boring holes into your own – suddenly, he looks elderly, not just a man past his prime. His beard twitches repeatedly, and finally, he speaks bluntly –

“Damn Alexandros. The sheer idiocy of it – how many will die because Agamemnon must defend his honor?” You doubt that Menestheus is truly concerned about the human cost of the conflict – his words sound hollow to you. His sunken eyes throw you a sullen look as well – you are not spared in the list of men that Menestheus would like to see damned, and you suspect that even some of the Olympians might be on this unspoken roster. Nevertheless, his shoulders slump in defeat – and you watch patiently as he directs orders to his crew to prepare a camp for the night, putting his bosun in charge.

As you leave the beach together, Menestheus remarks acidly – “I have been on every corner of this island, Thessalian. Do not presume to guide me.” You honor the King’s wishes, keeping your silence, and instead consider the benefit of bringing Menestheus (semi)willingly to the tent of King Anios and Menelaus – the King of Sparta is not likely to forget your assistance in securing the military assistance of Athens, even in a minor capacity.

The hike back to the tent of Anios is a rapid one – for you, a pleasing walk through the wilderness, but for Menestheus, he seems to be irritated by every minor obstacle, cursing under his breath constantly. Upon approach to Anios’ tents, you quickly locate Menelaus by a cookfire, his mouth full of goat. He lays eyes on Menestheus and his eyes fill with delight, he shouts:

“You old dog! I’ve been waiting for you to appear!” He seems to share none of Menestheus’ frustrations, crushing Menestheus in an enormous hug – it seems to you that this friendship is somewhat one-sided. “Menelaus, I have been meaning to locate you but – “ and Menelaus interrupts as he releases the older king, yelling loutishly –

“I doubt it! Nikandros here must have dragged you kicking and screaming from whatever hole you had dug into, am I right?” He winks outrageously at you, and you simply shrug in agreement. “Well done, Nikandros – I think my brother was right about you!” Menelaus barks out a harsh laugh, before turning on Menestheus again.

>cont
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>>5758023
>old man having a sulk he got caught
He really IS bitch made. Also that image reminded me Nestor exists, that old coot. I can't wait for him to spend four hours to tell a story before getting to the point of talking to him at all. Just for Nikon to tell him and everyone nearby that his advice isn't good, or is good.
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“Now, old friend – pull off a haunch of goat, drink some wine! Let’s discuss SHIPS! – I think we both know that a substantial allocation of your Athenian spearmen, half-trained as they are, would be hugely helpful, and would draw in additional volunteers. Now between us, I suspect you have the funds and men for at least eighty ships –“ Menestheus chokes in distress at this figure, Menelaus stampeding right over him – “but I’m willing to compromise a bit for you, of course.”

>Menelaus rolls an 11 vs 8 against Menestheus – sort of a sad display on both sides, tbqh

As the horse-trading begins, you listen in – and it’s hardly the high-minded debate that you might have expected. Instead, Menelaus simply batters Menestheus into submission through a combination of rough threats, unwarranted comments about Menestheus’ unmanful actions on the battlefield, and finally, a rote promise to “bring back the good old days”, which you immediately recognize as worthless. Menestheus, surprisingly, can only stutter inarticulately in protest - perhaps decades of abuse has rendered him impotent? Before ten minutes are out, you watch as Menestheus coughs out a promise for fifty black ships in recognition of the Oath of Tyndareus. It's a enormous number of soldiers that you can scarcely imagine commanding yourself, but Menelaus manages to be ungrateful about it, saying that Menestheus "must have been pissing away all of Theseus' gold if you can't scare up the full eighty ships"...

Once this is done, Menestheus doesn’t hesitate to make his leave, muttering about preparations for the Athenian procession for tomorrow’s festival – he steps around you as if you are a fallen tree or a boulder, completely ignoring you.

Menelaus turns to you and says – “Ah, don’t worry about him – he always gets sour before a potential war, hasn’t got the stomach for it, really. Fantastic general, though – just don’t ask him to fight on the front lines…that’ll be YOUR job, boy!” Menelaus laughs uproariously, before thanking you again and stumbling off in search of women.

>next update tomorrow, nicely done anons – you’ve helped to preserve an element of the canon timeline!

>No Kleos for Nikandros for this (but he could win some tomorrow in the Lesser Delia if he's lucky) - but he's made a good impression on Menelaus, which will definitely matter later, and has preserved his neutral relationship with Menestheus, which is also pretty important

>I would just add that Nikandros could have easily been cursed or have died if you guys had chosen physical violence against the sacred enjoys to the Lesser Delia...
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>>5758040
Nikon of good counsel indeed.
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Well that ended up a lot better than I anticipated
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>>5758040
>Menelaus rolls an 11 vs 8 against Menestheus – sort of a sad display on both sides, tbqh
I can't help but await the day where we listen into a conversation where both sides roll a 1
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>>5758073
>Listen here fucko -
>FUCKO? Hey fuckface I -
>THE FUCK YOU SAY TO ME YOU LITTLE SHIT?!
>DON'T YOU FUCKING SCREAM AT ME!
I can only imagine.

But I had an idea, if we do get our hands on sufficient funds, we should get a handful of ships either for ourselves (very expensive) or on permanent or long-term charter (hopefully less expensive) solely to bring in supplies for whatever force we command. Having a supply route, even if it's just bringing grains, dried fruits and water would be very useful. Seeing as the utter lack of actual supply lines there will be during the war with every ship being occupied by warriors and thus not able to be used for food runs and instead requiring almost constant raiding of nearby Trojan allies for necessary goods to keep the war going, as well as frequent stops to buy when they can't steal.

We won't supply the whole army, nor would we be able to get every king in on it, but our men are going to be the healthiest motherfuckers in the war. Perhaps we can set it up for Lemnos? I think Lesbos is accounted for on the Trojan side. I would say Imbros but it's a bit close to Thrace for my liking, despite being closer to Troy and the war than Lemnos.
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>>5758040
>Nikandros could have easily been cursed or have died if you guys had chosen physical violence against the sacred enjoys to the Lesser Delia
ah yes. that whole business. reminder never to forget abour xenia. we could very well benefit from it one of these days
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>>5758073
Didn't this already happen between Nikandros and Agamemnon
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>>5758073
There is a canon double 1 event, that would be when agamemnon and achilles bitch at each other in the iliad.
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>>5756388
There is a strong chance I might shell out but all my bills are due in the next week and I don't get paid till next friday. I have extra cash but I don't like spending it till I am clear of all my obligations.
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>>5758216
That reminds me, I can't remember if we actually met Patroclus in quest yet. Which timeline are we in, Uncle Pat (canon) or twink Pat?
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>>5758040
>he steps around you as if you are a fallen tree or a boulder, completely ignoring you.
What a honor

>I would just add that Nikandros could have easily been cursed or have died if you guys had chosen physical violence against the sacred enjoys to the Lesser Delia...
In a world were everyone is out for blood and breaking the sacred rules mean death or worst, talking is a good way to test waters before taking more... direct actions

>>5758085
Smart rock here
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>>5758112
Guess so, I'm curious how Lesches handles ties between NPCs and whether it is just a lose lose situation for both. Nira suffered a 1v1 roll which had very bad effects.

>>5758239
I expect we'll find out once Nikon meets him. Sort of like how an anon back in thread one asked about the breast size of Thetis and then wanted to know if any of the other goddesses were well endowed, with Homer saying Nikon would have to find that out himself.

Interestingly, while reading some Greek myths, I found one where a nymph named Aura told Artemis her breasts were better than hers because they were smaller, while Artemis was so stacked she couldn't possibly be a virgin. Artemis takes offense to this and gets Aura raped as revenge by getting Dionysius shot with an arrow from Eros. Dionysius then drugs Aura with wine, ties her up, and rapes her while unconscious, leading to her getting pregnant with twin boys, one of which she eats eventually. The other gets safely spirited away by Artemis. What's the moral of this story? Hell, if I know. Don't slut shame a god?
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>>5758289
>What's the moral of this story?
Don't fuck with gods, they can AND will fuck back.

But if you want the long version...

Life is like one of the classic Simpsons episodes, a series of seemingly unconnected and unimportant events leading to tragic and funny situations for everyone involved. Being clever and trying to prepare yourself for what is to come does not guarantee a more or less bad result for you than being stupid, but it does lower the chances of standing out in the eyes of those powerful and entertainment-hungry beings who will ask more from you until either you die, or become a shadow of what you once were.
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>>5758231

I thank you even for seriously considering the ad run, anon - if you actually go for it, all the better.

>>5758239

I don't believe we've met Patroklos or Phoinix in person at this point - Nikandros missed them in Phthia (they were out looking for Achilles), but I'm imaging that Patroklos is older - maybe 25 - but is obviously the far-junior partner in the friendship. Nikandros imagines that Achilles and Patroklos are currently chilling in Aulis for the force muster, between sparring sessions and conquering the odd whorehouse but obviously he doesn't know for sure.

>>5758289

>who wins in an NPC contest?

Whoever has better plot armor, basically. In the Menelaus/Menestheus debate, I would have ruled in favor of Menelaus, since he is of higher noble rank and Menestheus' kingship depends on the support of the Atreides.

>are critfails bad?

Yes, they are absolutely very fucking bad, don't roll them for Nikon unless you want to see him suffer and become Punished Nikon.
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You help yourself to a mid-day meal of goat and wine, now that Menelaus has abandoned his cookfire. Both elements of your meal are of exquisite quality. The goat is tender and delicious, and the wine of refined quality, although you cannot quite place its origin - perhaps due to your ignorant palate. Without a doubt, it’s the finest vintage that you have ever tasted, no matter where it has come from. As you eat, you take in the surrounding hillside – it is a frenzy of preparations for tomorrow’s events, and based on the activity of Anios’ servants darting into various tents, and passing groups of priests and priestesses, you suspect that many more guests will arrive on the island to watch the Lesser Delia. Probably, there are many ships on Rineia, the island just to the east, waiting to sail over in the morning.

You briefly consider finding Andros, to let him know that a daimon had been wearing his skin earlier this morning, but before you can rise, Ajax calls to you from the pathside, his baritone catching your attention, and he diverts course, joining you at your cookfire.

“Nikandros! I’ve been looking for you all morning – our gifts of slaves to King Anios was well-received, and I was sure to mention that you had obtained them. As for Marsaëres and Kyrtios – we have sold them to Anios for further ransom, as Anios has a special interest in this – the man seems to know all of Hellas.” Ajax pauses here – his stern expression doesn’t change, and he seems to consider his words carefully before illuminating you further:

“Anios broke the will of Kyrtios – smashed his resolve like he was a child. Kyrtios is a bastard prince of King Polyanax of Melos; he claims that his mother was a Nereid tricked into Polyanax’s bed for one reason or another. Polyanax is not known to be a wealthy man, but clearly, he has funded piracy in the Cyclades to steal from his neighbors – perhaps out of desperation. Kyrtios provided much information about the ports unfriendly to the houses of Atreus and Telamon - another problem for later. Worse, he produced a claim that his father is in league with the Phoenicians, although I find it hard to believe that any Hellene would willingly enter into contract with foreigners from the East…” Ajax doesn’t specific further, but you have already glimped the implications – that the logistics effort of supply across the Cyclades will be a treacherous affair, and probably there are many traitor kings amongst the Cyclades who are hoping to sample the rich substance traveling across the Aegean by slow merchant vessel.

Ajax continues – “Regardless, Anios produced a gift of equal value upon delivery of Kyrtios. Two parts of gold for Menelaus, one part of gold for myself, and one part each for the men who captured him – yourself and Pollux.” Ajax flicks a heavy hide pouch into your grasp – by the weight, many gold talents are contained within.

>Nikandros’ Timae is now -4!

>cont
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You thank Ajax earnestly – you’ve never held so much gold in your hands at one time. He waves aside your thanks, but not unkindly – no doubt to him, it is a trivial sum, practically beneath notice.

“Oh – and one last thing, Menelaus will announce our course at dinner tonight – after this morning’s augury with King Anios this morning and consultation with myself and Odysseus, he has selected our course to the Troad.” Ajax firmly clasps your hand, and then heads off down the hillside in the direction of the Salaminian galley.

Above you, the sky has grown uncharacteristically clouded – Zeus having seen fit to marshal his flock for the afternoon. You have about five hours until the feast tonight – time for perhaps one more activity before you assemble in the tent of King Anios once more.

>what do, /qst/? Please note that these options will provide a chance for Nikon to earn a minor mechanical bonus for ONE of the Lesser Delia events.

>Ascend to the peak of Mount Cynthus, learning the terrain as best as you can. You still imagine that your best odds of victory in the Lesser Delia tomorrow are at the footrace, and determining the best path to the peak would only benefit you.

>Find Palamedes amongst the guests, and gain his insight regarding the creation of original poetry for tomorrow’s competition. As a literate man, he is almost certainly familiar with various schools of poetry that exist, and perhaps he would be willing to provide you with assistance?

>Find Teukros, and spend time with him this afternoon – you haven’t a prayer at matching his skill in archery, but you’d nonetheless be interested in growing your friendship with the man. Additionally, you never did pay him your thanks for the slaying of the Euboean pirate captain. Beyond your genuine good-will, he is the only member of the diplomatic party who speaks fluent Luwian, which will be tremendously helpful in Troy, and the practical part of your mind demands that you keep close to him.

>Find Ajax amongst the Salaminian galley, and challenge him to a petteia rematch. With your head clearer, you’re certain that you’ll be able to give him a better challenge, or even beat him outright. Additionally, you’d like to learn more about the information regarding Polyanax – how does he plan to bring safety to the Hellenes supply lines?

>Find Odysseus and ask him to tutor you in song and dance – you have no doubt the man is a master performer, and any practical advice would be quite helpful. You’ve simply never entered into a competition of these arts.

>Find King Anios, and request a short meeting with him – perhaps he can shed insight into your conversation with the daimon you had spoken with earlier this morning?

>Something else that I haven’t thought of?
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>>5758483
>Ascend to the peak of Mount Cynthus, learning the terrain as best as you can. You still imagine that your best odds of victory in the Lesser Delia tomorrow are at the footrace, and determining the best path to the peak would only benefit you.
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>>5758483
>Find Teukros, and spend time with him this afternoon – you haven’t a prayer at matching his skill in archery, but you’d nonetheless be interested in growing your friendship with the man. Additionally, you never did pay him your thanks for the slaying of the Euboean pirate captain. Beyond your genuine good-will, he is the only member of the diplomatic party who speaks fluent Luwian, which will be tremendously helpful in Troy, and the practical part of your mind demands that you keep close to him.
I like the guy. Plus worrying over prophecies isn’t healthy
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>>5758483
>Find Teukros, and spend time with him this afternoon – you haven’t a prayer at matching his skill in archery, but you’d nonetheless be interested in growing your friendship with the man. Additionally, you never did pay him your thanks for the slaying of the Euboean pirate captain. Beyond your genuine good-will, he is the only member of the diplomatic party who speaks fluent Luwian, which will be tremendously helpful in Troy, and the practical part of your mind demands that you keep close to him.
We should thank him. Maybe learn a little Luwian? Besides, we have a stride advantage in the footrace
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>>5758483
>Ascend to the peak of Mount Cynthus, learning the terrain as best as you can. You still imagine that your best odds of victory in the Lesser Delia tomorrow are at the footrace, and determining the best path to the peak would only benefit you.
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>>5758483
>>Find Teukros, and spend time with him this afternoon – you haven’t a prayer at matching his skill in archery, but you’d nonetheless be interested in growing your friendship with the man. Additionally, you never did pay him your thanks for the slaying of the Euboean pirate captain. Beyond your genuine good-will, he is the only member of the diplomatic party who speaks fluent Luwian, which will be tremendously helpful in Troy, and the practical part of your mind demands that you keep close to him.
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>>5758483
>Find Teukros, and spend time with him this afternoon – you haven’t a prayer at matching his skill in archery, but you’d nonetheless be interested in growing your friendship with the man. Additionally, you never did pay him your thanks for the slaying of the Euboean pirate captain. Beyond your genuine good-will, he is the only member of the diplomatic party who speaks fluent Luwian, which will be tremendously helpful in Troy, and the practical part of your mind demands that you keep close to him.
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We should go to Aegypt. Steal a crocodile. In fact, we should go to Waset way down south, recreate our own seven versus Thebes (we'd need a bit more than seven for all the other gates, though). If only we were in the Helen in Egypt timeline.
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>>5758483
>>Find Teukros, and spend time with him this afternoon – you haven’t a prayer at matching his skill in archery, but you’d nonetheless be interested in growing your friendship with the man. Additionally, you never did pay him your thanks for the slaying of the Euboean pirate captain. Beyond your genuine good-will, he is the only member of the diplomatic party who speaks fluent Luwian, which will be tremendously helpful in Troy, and the practical part of your mind demands that you keep close to him.

Bro time

>"Your aim is something else, I tell you. And thenks for take may side on the ship."
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>>5758483
>Find Teukros, and spend time with him this afternoon – you haven’t a prayer at matching his skill in archery, but you’d nonetheless be interested in growing your friendship with the man. Additionally, you never did pay him your thanks for the slaying of the Euboean pirate captain. Beyond your genuine good-will, he is the only member of the diplomatic party who speaks fluent Luwian, which will be tremendously helpful in Troy, and the practical part of your mind demands that you keep close to him.

I thought about talking with Anios about our encounter with apollo, that would possibly help with the prophecy to save the dioscuri, but man fuck the god's bullshit.

Also while teukros is a shoe in for winner and castor is a strong second there sometimes there is a third place prize for these events, just need to hope odysseus doesn't bribe athena again (but perhaps we should menace him not to cheat by implying we saw how he cheated pollux?)

Or we could just participate by throwing rocks, who knows might at least be good for laughs.
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>>5758675
>Or we could just participate by throwing rocks, who knows might at least be good for laughs.

>"You call throwing rocks a martial art?"
>"Hey, if it works..."
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Imagine Nikon's ridiculous strength behind a sling. Rocks shall become even more deadly.
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>>5758708
Slingers were some of the deadliest formations of their time. It's hard to argue with a half pound of rock or lead as it's caving in your skull at 120+ miles an hour.
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>>5758708
>>5758710

Interestingly, sling weapons are basically never mentioned in the Iliad and the Odyssey, as far as I know.

I don’t see a reason why Nikandros can’t learn to use one though, if he finds a tutor.
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>>5758708
Man's would be slinging fist sized stones instead of thumbtip sized ones. Using a whole ass pig skin instead of a tanned strip.

>>5758711
Probably because even then, slings were the poor man's choice. All the rich and cool kids used bows. And every manly man threw javelins.
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>>5758711
Slingers rarely get any glory in ancient tails, unfortunately. Mostly raised from local levies who have skill hunting with slings. Easy to pick up but difficult to master. And that would be sick, I can already imagine him punching holes in shields with baseball sized lead slugs.
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>>5758483
>Find Ajax amongst the Salaminian galley, and challenge him to a petteia rematch. With your head clearer, you’re certain that you’ll be able to give him a better challenge, or even beat him outright. Additionally, you’d like to learn more about the information regarding Polyanax – how does he plan to bring safety to the Hellenes supply lines?

We should give Ajax a proper challenge this time.
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>>5758714
Still, bows are inherently limited by the strength of their construction, whereas slings just use the power of physics and muscles to cave your head in. Nikon would get a lot more out of a sling than a bow with his godly strength. Plus, imagine absolutely fucking up Paris with a stone with the words "catch this" carved into them when he's trying to snipe Achilles.
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>>5758744
Yes, but everyone would think Nikandros is a poorfag AND a long-range bitch. Wasting the arms, armor, and training of an elite heavy infantryman on a slinger is both an unwise allocation of talents and horrendous optics.
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>>5758747
Unwise allocation of talents? Nikon was able to send a rock through multiple people, he could be turned into a one man siege weapon. Recreate the hammer throw with just a massive sling, and blast down the Trojan walls.
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>>5758744
With the stones Nikon could hurl that way, you could probably write a whole paragraph on them.

Funnily enough, ranged combat actually solves most of the problems Nikon has right now. Namely the being a big slow guy. Ranged attacks only roll on block, not dodge. I'm sure bows penalize high strength the most (barring outliers like Hercules' bow or even Odysseus', which has a notably heavy draw) with javelins and other direct application projectiles benefiting the most from raw strength. Slings probably lie in the middle ground in that their mechanical action scales linearly with how heavy the projectile is. Bows need arrows that align with the draw weight, which can only be very slightly exceeded or not met before the bow becomes useless of non-functional.

Slings are also the slowest of the bunch. Bows being the fastest.

>>5758747
That's why Nikon should just have rocks in a bag. And he just hucks them at people. No one would think less of him for braining the archers that are annoying everyone with their little arrows. Alternatively, darts.
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>>5758747
There's nothing 'optically horrendous' about using slings in the context of war in the day and age of the Trojan War. Just because people didn't mention them much doesn't mean they hated them. Homer and Xenophone both show admiration and fear of a skilled slinger formation in historical texts. Hell Rhodians are some of the most sought after troops for armies at the time because of their slingers.
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>>5758747
We dont have to use it everyday, in every battle, for everything anon. We dont pick autism.

Just carry and use it when the enemy is far, and the kill them with spear when they get close.
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>>5758760
I don't think Rhodes becomes truly famous for their slingers for a few more centuries, but I may be wrong. I can't remember which the order goes in, famous for the big statue, then the slingers, or slingers, then big statue.
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>>5758760
Read the Iliad. Homer mentions the sling directly only a three times- describing massed ranged fire from the Achaeans, describing how the men of Lesser Ajax were poorfags who could only engage in ranged combat, and describing somebody using a borrowed sling as a makeshift tourniquet. The sling was a peasant weapon which received extremely little attention. Later in actual history the sling would acquire more fame in actual due to the Persians, Rhodians, and Balearics using specialized slinger formations to good effect.

Considering how archers are generally treated like losers and/or killed in the Iliad, I think the idea of nobles have significant contempt for ranged weaponry is legitimate. The heroes in the Iliad literally preferred to throw rocks rather than use ranged weapons.
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hiking

>>5758489
>>5758553

Hang out with Teukie

>>5758491
>>5758502
>>5758556
>>5758572
>>5758644
>>5758675

stones with Ajax

>>5758727

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Hang out with Teukie it is! Writing now!
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>>5758781
I don't disagree with you, I just don't think slings garnered as much early historical disdain as archers did. But I will admit I'm not nearly as well read as most other players in this quest and will defer to you and the others about it.
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>>5758798
Well general ranged combat was seen as unmanly. The closer you are when you kill someone the more badass you are. Slings were just cheap. So it was for commoners, everymen, serfs, the like. Bows were rich boy gear. A good bow took a lot of effort to make. Which means those same people who had them were probably well fed, had decent health, and probably also had other good gear like armor and weaponry. So if they exclusively used a bow they were probably a bitch.

This doesn't apply to men like Odysseus. Everyone knows while he is a bit of a dandy, he's still a fucking unit because he gets his hands just as dirty. Also the reason why no one throws shade at Artemis or Apollo for their bow-using ways. The general disdain is mainly for people who should be in melee by all rights, but instead hide away. Like Paris. He's a fucking sissy. But not Teukros, who can scrap, but doesn't nor is he expected to because he's considered a "lesser" son by most.

It's a bit of a theme. No one thinks Hercules is a twerp despite the fact he is famous for his archery as well as his various other feats. As long as you show off how much of a chad you are elseways, no one cares too much that you fight from afar at times. But just in general, it paints you as someone who can't really fight in true combat.

Also Paris is a fucking half-man bitch, everyone hates Paris, the cunt.
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>>5758798
I suppose I didn't answer too well, the reason why slings may have had a better notion to them is because the important people just didn't use them. Because they could afford bows. I would assume they'd still fall under the same level of scrutiny, however. And probably get called a poorfag.
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>>5758809
So what you're saying is we just need to crack some panzy eastern hero skulls first THEN we can use a sling like a long ranged hole puncher?
>>5758819
>And probably get called a poorfag.
We kinda are, not that we'd want to highlight that though.
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You resolve to spend the afternoon with Teukros – for one, you like the man and enjoy his company, and for two – he is a master archer and you’re certain to learn something useful for tomorrow’s archery contest.

It’s easy to find him – asking around Anios’ campsite, you’re directed back to the Salaminian galley by the southern shoreline, and you hear the sound of his bow at work before you even catch sight of the ship. The twang of the bow is quite distinctive, cutting through the air, and you’d recognize it anywhere after seeing Teukros at work in battle. Crossing down onto the sandy beach, you find that he has induced several of the sailors to create a makeshift archery range, complete with “pirates” to shoot at – about ten sacks of grain tied to wooden stakes, spaced out at regular intervals, and the last few at improbable distances. The final dummy must be at a half-stadia – well beyond the killing range of the bow, but this is an irrelevant detail for archery practice.

Perhaps against his will, Teukros has gathered an audience – about ten Salaminians who cheer at his successes and jeer good-naturedly for missed shots. Teukros seems a bit relieved at your arrival – no doubt hoping that you might draw the crowd’s attention.

You approach, thanking him for his assistance against the Euboean pirate captain. Teukros blinks a bit in surprise at your words, replying:

“It was truly my pleasure to send him to the underworld, Nikandros – the man was a terrible shot, anyways.” After weeks of easy friendship with Teukros, you are beginning to recognize his understated humor - the subtle look of amusement in his face. If I had been shooting at you, Nikandros, you would be dead! is the true message under his polite words, although the implication here is meant in jest. Nonetheless, you see that he is pleased by your gratitude – after years of borderline obscurity in the house of Telamon, the man is simply underappreciated, although he would never state this openly. You’re only too happy to help him see his contributions clearly, although… you cannot let his challenge stand.

You counter by poking at his shoulder with a solid finger – knocking him off-axis just as he releases a shot from his massive bow, causing his arrow to sail over the receding tide, plunging into the sea. The Salaminians are entertained by this display, chuckling and calling for a wrestling match between you two. You ignore the calls of the sailors and instead ask -

>cont
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“Tell me about your bow, Teukros – what is its' provenance?” The weapon itself is beautiful, curved and clearly of refined construction. Teukros is only too happy to elucidate:

“Ah, this is the bow of my father, Telamon – he had it created in the Scythian style, double-convex, as you can see – wood, horn, sinew and glue were all used in its construction. My father was never terribly interested in archery, and when I showed a talent, my mother persuaded him to grant it to me in my fourteenth summer.”

“A priceless gift – and one to honor your father with.” You find yourself a bit envious of Teukros in that moment - despite his status as a bastard, his father still lives. You wonder what your own father Hippomedon would have made of your recent successes – but it's impossible to say, given that all you know of him comes second-hand from Argyros and your mother.

“Teukros, I must confess – I am no archer myself, and tomorrow, the archery contest of Lesser Delia! Could I ask for your tutelage – perhaps only a few pointers to keep in mind? I seek only to avoid my embarrassment in the birthplace of Apollo...” Of course, you've used a bow many times in the past, hunting in the hills of Thessaly, but truthfully, you've ignored this aspect of combat, preferring to drill with the spear and shield. No doubt your archery technique is gravely flawed.

Teukros signals to one of the sailors, who sprints off excitedly - within a minute, the man has returned with a spare bow from the Salaminian galley. To your eye, it looks to be a recovered pirate weapon of dubious quality, but Teukros quickly examines it and deems it functional for your use.

He spend the next few minutes drilling you in proper form - the bow itself is too small for your frame, but Teukros lectures you that the fundamentals of archery will be the same no matter the bow. He has you step lightly on the balls of your feet, practice smooth draws, and pulling the bowstring taut against your bearded face repeatedly - you have to be quite careful not to overstrain the bow, given your strength. As he does so, he tugs at your knees and shoulders, pulling your elbows into the correct formation - as you expected, he finds that you possess little real technique.

In a few minutes more, Teukros proclaims you ready for actual practice. Facing the targets, you breathe deeply, and begin!

>okay, I need two rolls of dice+1d20+1 from the players! This is a roll-under contest, so rolls of 13 and under will be considered successes.
>Each successful roll will translate into a highly temporary +1 archery bonus for Nikandros for tomorrow's archery contest.
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Rolled 9 (1d20)

>>5758837
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Rolled 6 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5758837
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Rolled 13 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5758820
>We kinda are, not that we'd want to highlight that though.
>Welcome to Thessaly gentlemen. I will not lie, the chances of you having riches is small..
Bling was extremely important to heroes of the age. Thankfully, dad's armor is baller as fuck. But yes, as long as we prove without a doubt we're not someone to be fucked with, people will look at the usage of ranged weaponry as quirky rather than bizarre. Probably.

>>5758837
Based Teukros. Humble but cool. Here's hoping we don't embarrass ourselves and split the bow in twain.
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>>5758840
Low roll baby, our specialty
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Also something to note, Agamemnon is famous for his skill at throwing javelins. Throwing shit is respectable, everyone.

>>5758842
We normally run roll over rules, because if this was a roll under quest we'd be High King in a week.
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>>5758842
It wouldn't be Trojan quest without it :D
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>>5758839
>>5758840

Nicely done, anons - with luck, Nikon will perform reasonably well. Success for Nikon in the archery contest would probably mean that he doesn’t drop his spaghetti in front of Anios and all of Delos, rather than actually win…

>>5758844

Yes, this is reflected mechanically in Agamemnon’s trait loadout
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>>5758839
>>5758840
Thank fuck it's roll under!

>>5758841
>nikon draws, the bow snaps
>this wouldn't have happened with a rock

I like the idea of a giant sling
Imagine the sound it would make whirring in the air..
>The troyan formation hesitate unsettled by a distant buzz, then an ominous whistling.
>suddenly the head of hector is replaced by a head sized rock.
>it was so fast and sudden no god had the time to intervene to save him and prolong the war.
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>>5758851
>Imagine the sound it would make whirring in the air..

>fwomp
>fwomp
>fwomp
>FWOMP
>SKREEEEE
>CRUNCH
If we did a whistling missile it'd probably sound like an Aztec death whistle on crack. Though I don't think they started making those until like the fifth century BC? I don't really know.
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>>5758854
>until like the 5th century BC?
Aztecs are like 1400s, though the death whistle predates them to just before the Toltec Empire, so like 700AD.
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>>5758851
My sides

>Killing Hector
I for one want to see Aphrodite's face when she tries to spirit away Paris only to realize that his upper body is missing.

It's going to be beautiful, in more ways than one.

>>5758854
I know that there was a battle close to the greek region where the guy use lead balls with holes on it, but i dont remember the year.
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>>5758854
>>5758851
Siege equipment isn't really a thing yet right? Wouldn't this make Nikandros a self propelled trebuchet?
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>>5758864
Oh I meant the whistling stones, but that's neat to know, too. We should take inspiration from them and invent the Atlatl early and on the other side of the planet. Imagine how far over the horizon Nikon's giant biceps could hurl a long arrow.

>>5758867
>crying useless goddess noises
It had to have been relatively late. Since you'd need hand drills of some description. Then again, lead is pretty soft.

>>5758875
Nikandros "Wall breaker" Hippomedon.
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>>5758875
>Siege equipment isn't really a thing yet right? Wouldn't this make Nikandros a self propelled trebuchet?

>Siege weapons in the West are named Nikandros for the following centuries.

>>"Trebuche"? This is a Nikanche sir.
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I just want Nikon to batter down the gates of Troy via nothing but a comically oversized sling.
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>>5758909
>Men, bring me a ship's sail and a boulder. We're going to knock. Loudly.
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>>5758914
Nikon would truly be a terrifying foe on the seas. Any ship that comes into range would just be sunk by a rock.
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>>5758917
Greek sea warfare will be wild man
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>>5758917
He wouldn't use hooks to board ships, he'd use harpoons straight into the hulls of the ships. Dislodge that ya salty fucks.

>>5758920
It's beautiful.
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>>5758909
>>5758917
>>5758921

Nikon knows not one but two Polymechanoi, so it's certainly possible that he can later create period-appropriate weaponry that really only he or a few other burly dudes could wield effectively.

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No update tonight - but take heart anons! I hope to get out a number of updates this weekend, finish the Lesser Delia and set Nikon on the way to the Troad before Monday.
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>>5758926
Man, if only Sis was a polymechanoi and we could have brought her with us.

>"Nikon~ twist this bar for me."
>"What is it for, sister?"
>"When you turn it a whole bunch and let it go it'll launch a spear taller than you swifter than mighty Heracles' arrows!"


I know Oderpyshit is one, but who is the other? Off the top of my head I don't know. I can't wait til we get done with this envoy gig so we can actually try to befriend the shifty prick. Though he's probably going to be quite sour over the fact we started a war. You know, if he was on our side from the start we could probably have him talk the Trojans into giving everything back while we make Menelaus demand it. Alas, he is so set on not fighting this war and being drawn away from his family for twenty years. A shame.
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>>5758932
>Polymechanoi Nira

The limits of tomboyness have been exceeded, now she is on the other side of the scale as a bimbo lol

>I know Oderpyshit is one, but who is the other?
Maybe Castor or Tarkus?
It would be funny if it were Ajax
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>>5758936
Well I'm assuming it won't be Castor or Pollux for anything, since they canonically do not fight in the Trojan war.
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>>5758939
Make sense

Polymechanoi!Nira pic
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>>5758932
It's Palamedes, the fucking nerd
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>>5758942
>can't get laid
>not because she's unlikable or undesirable
>but because she'd crush your little warrior

>>5758943
Are you sure? That'd mean he'd be useful for something. I mean I guess he certainly reads enough of this "math" shit for it.
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>>5758943
>It's Palamedes, the fucking nerd

I forgot he even exists, the selfish idiot.

I hope we don't have to depend on him.

>>5758949
>>but because she'd crush your little warrior

Man, i read that before playing a little more with the AI and I get this. That coincidence was strange
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>>5758952
That image reminds me of that meme with the little bald dude looking up at the microphone lady. And THAT made me think "Haha, Nira and Teukros".
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>>5758961
Hmm......

Teukros could be a good husband for Nira..
We need to ask him what he thinks of hot tall witches asap
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>>5759056
The real question the suitors themselves would have to deal with is are they man enough to handle a woman like Nira?
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>>5759056
In terms of raw gain to be had, Ajax is thus far the best choice. But Ajax has a pretty fiery temper. Teukros wouldn't really get us anything, but it would ally us with house Telamon regardless.

A bit meta, here but, the reason why Teukros is exiled at the end of the Trojan war is because he couldn't bring Ajax' body back after he died. So if Ajax does die, if we can help him get the body back, he'll ostensibly inherit rule over Salamis barring some other shit happening. Alternatively, we manage to keep Ajax alive and form a bond between our families anyway because the brothers do actually care for each other and are quite close despite the shocking amount of kinslaying and infighting endemic to the time period. Either one is a good choice since neither one is accounted for in marriage. Though Ajax will pick up a honey during the war.

Of course, even barring an actual alliance and instead just securing a marriage as sister has asked for, they are both good choices. Though in terms of personality, Teukros is probably the better choice. His natural humility makes him much more able to joke and roll with the ribbing Nira would inevitably give him.

>>5759060
>a competition for nira's hand ensues ala penelope and the 108
>unlike the demure and inoffensive (but exceedingly clever) penelope, nira just straight fucking mogs men with her stature and inflicts mad kleos damage on them with her sharp tongue
Gotta weed out the runts. Mainly in spirit. She doesn't mind shorties.
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Fun fact, daddy Hippomedon attacked the Oncaiden gate in the events of the sack of Thebes. Also apparently named in honor of Athena. Now where this gets fun is Nike. Nike is sometimes regarded as an offshoot or "face" of Athena (if she isn't being considered a separate entity entirely) or as being subservient to her. Sometimes called Athena Nike even. Which would mean that papa fought against a namesake of Athena, and Nikon prays specifically to a goddess whose domain is overshadowed by (and can with mental gymnastics be described as in conflict with) Athena.

Nikon and his father both have been in a shadow war against the war-goddess without even knowing it. Spooky.

But I actually just wanted to dump trivia about shields, namely that the most common of shields of the era were figure 8 and large rectangular shields. But the aspis or porpax shields possibly existed then, too. Which may be better known as the hoplon. Though I doubt it was exactly the same, since hoplites wouldn't exist as a unit for several centuries after the Trojan war. But big round shields with an argive grip, covered with bronze? Most probably existed. Especially considering the existence of Yetholm shields in lands so far away. We'll just ignore that those kinds of shields were probably for show rather than fighting. There were smaller shields made of wood used by some of the Hittite forces I'm sure, as well as widespread use of wicker shields. Unreinforced I mean. Most shields of the time used wicker or wood in some capacity.

Autism, away.
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>>5759152
Thanks for the facts
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Teukros and yourself engage in friendly chatter as you trade off shooting the dummies, an audience of rowdy sailors present. You’re outclassed by Teukros’ easy grace and years of dedication at archery, but Argyros always told you that you were a fast study, and you prove this to Teukros as well – by the end of the afternoon, your form is cleaner, more natural, and the stiltedness of your draw has vanished.

“Nou, dat is nog niet eens zo slecht. Teukros says, shading his eyes from the afternoon sun, watching your arrow sink into the sand before the farthest dummy. “Your line was clean, Nikandros, even if you misjudged the distance – not bad at all.” In between shots, you ask Teukros questions about his childhood on Salamis. Contrary to your expectation, he tells you of a happy childhood – the simple pleasures of life on Salamis, with easy access to the sea and to the wealth of Telamon’s οἶκος. He doesn’t state this openly, but you sense that the relationship between himself and Ajax is complicated – you sense that there is real love between the brothers, but where Teukros had a childhood free of expectation, Ajax has been slowly molded by the pressures of princedom. Teukros, in a moment of seriousness, tells you conspiratorially that Ajax is a man of steely discipline, unforgiving obedience…until the rare moment he explodes in rage, lashing out uncontrollably.

“You must be wary of him, Nikandros – I am very fond of him, but he is an unkindled bonfire – do not become the spark that sets him ablaze. Few can stop him once the fire has been lit.”

In return, you tell him of the hardscrabble life in the Thessalian hills, and of the rural noblemen you had come to know there – Aristonax, Podageus, Lyciboeus, and Seisames. Of Damachides to the west, you had rarely met the man – what communication you had with him was typically through emissary. You tell Teukros of your sister, a beautiful blonde witch with gold-flecked eyes like your own, and say that you are hoping to find her a husband. Teukros nods at this thoughtfully, before saying:

“I have never known a witch, although my mother Hesione sometimes told me stories of the court of King Aeëtes of Colchis when I was a boy. How did your sister come to be one?” You explain further – that your mother, Euanippe, had organized your sister’s tutelage with a bitter woman named Spathion.

“But Nikandros, surely even in Thessaly, storied land of witches, it is not trivial to locate one and bind her into service. How did your mother do so?” You are forced to admit that you simply don’t know – and you disclose your mother’s madness to Teukros, explaining that your mother’s sanity slipped over several years. You and Deianira had tried everything to no avail. Teukros offers you words of reassurance, speaking:

“There are many strange things in the Aegean, Nikandros – a cure for your mother is out there.”

>next update ~1pm EST
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>Teukros is not only not afraid of Nira being a witch, but curious about it.
Yep, he's a good candidate for brother-in-law
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>>5759183
Here's to hoping by the time nikon returns Nira hasn't become a haggard hag living in a swamp cackling madly and cursing the rivers.

(The swamp being the result of damming the river with rocks)
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>>5759204
I still hold hope that Nira can be a happy witch, even with the latest choice of traits.
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>>5759204
The AI kept giving me images of trees.

I don't know if it's because it knows that plants are the most stable relationship she's ever had and it's to get material for the dam.
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With Helios descending towards the western sea, Teukros and yourself bid the Salaminians farewell – as commoners, they will not be attending dinner tonight within King Anios’ tent. The atmosphere of the island is charged, the air swimming with power – the divinity within your blood seems to sing out in recognition of this, and your mood is buoyant – you catch yourself wearing a contented smile as you breathe in the scents of countless flowers in bloom along the hedges of the pathway. You join with Castor and Pollux on the hillside, and walk together for the remainder of the journey – Pollux seems to be even more greatly influenced by the environs by yourself, his steps light on the earth, humming to himself absentmindedly rather than his typical boisterous chatter – a half-step out of sync with the realm of mortals. You catch Castor examining your own loose strides and pleased demeanor, a knowing gleam in his eye.

Time stretches strangely – the hike up the hillside seems to take hours, but the assembling of your diplomatic party takes place in a flash. You are suddenly being passed well-mixed kylixes of wine at the feast table, under the billowing sails of Anios’ tent – Teukros to your left and Odysseus to your right. All is well – you have no trepidation being seated next to Odysseus, who delights the table with charming anecdotes. Time flashes again, and Anios, son of Apollo, is standing in robes of palest yellow, delivering a benediction in ringing tones:

How, then, shall I sing of you
who in all ways are a worthy theme of song?
For everywhere, O Phoebus,
the whole range of song is fallen to you,
both over the mainland that rears heifers
and over the isles. All mountain-peaks
and high headlands of lofty hills
and rivers flowing out to the deep
and beaches sloping seawards
and havens of the sea are your delight.
Shall I sing how at the first Leto bare you to be the joy of men,
as she rested against Mount Cynthus on this rocky isle,
of sea-girt Delos –
while on either hand a dark wave
rolled on landwards driven by shrill winds –
whence arising you rule over all mortal men?


>cont
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The food is sumptuous – unforgettable! – and you put away tremendous amounts of spiced and roasted meat, vegetables, grains – all dishes prepared extravagantly. The attendees are joyous, and you see even solemn Ajax chuckling at Odysseus’ antics. Turning around, you see that the tent hall is quite full - hundreds of white-robed priests and devotees of Leto's twins are present as well. The dinner is halfway over before you see that Menestheus is at the far end of the table, seated between Anios' sons - you had hardly noticed him, as he seems to be making an effort to keep a low profile, speaking in hushed tones with Thasos and Mykonos.

When the feasting has slowed and the dinner attendees have put away their desire for eating and drinking, Menelaus rises, cheeks reddened by wine, standing at the far right of the table, and is given leave by King Anios to address the guests:

“Friends – companions – after consultation with King Anios and augury conducted this morning, we will avoid the treacherous waters of Ikaria, and instead pass over Naxos and Donousa towards Lebinthos. We will not be stopping there, if at all possible, since we do not know the disposition of these kings. From there, we must row north when Boreas’ rests his Meltemi, through the Calydnians, before we come to Samos. It will be a journey of weeks to sail north along the Troad, before we come to Troy, but the gods have revealed to Anios that this method is assured to bring us to Ilion intact.”

You quickly do the math – your party has made excellent time so far, but Menelaus has chosen the slower and safer route to Troy, adding several days to the journey. With luck, you may reach Troy by mid-summer, but much depends on catching southerly breezes when Boreas’s arid breath is absent. The voyage could certainly extend into late summer or even autumn, especially if your party is detained along the way or is trapped by poor sailing conditions. The return voyage, thankfully, is likely to be much swifter, with Boreas at your back.

Anios, speaking once more, requests that the competitors in tomorrow's Lesser Delia arise to announce themselves - your entire party stands, of course, as well as his sons, and Menestheus as well. All told, there are twelve competitors* - and you each hail the feast attendees in turn, so that the crowds may know you.

The dinner ends somewhat abruptly - King Anios closing the meal:

"Competitors! Sanctify thyselves for the initiation of the Lesser Delia and consider how you might best please Apollo Μουσηγετης! Take the evening to prepare your mind and body!"

Filing out of the tent, you are immediately approached by a pair of Apollonian disciplines - they firmly guide you back to your own tent, where they subject you to a ritual purification of laurel smoke and oils. Sleep comes to you quite easily...

*Nikandros, Castor, Pollux, Teukros, Ajax, Menelaus, Odysseus, Palamedes, Thasos, Mykonos, Andros, Menestheus.
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I’m hoping to get one more update out later tonight to start the Delia proper, thanks for everyone’s patience as I set the scene to appease my autism
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>>5759453
I for one can't wait to lose at everything except the dance
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>>5759453
Kek no problems it looks cool.

>>5759674
Hopefully we will just do good enough, i doubt Nik can win here. What i am aiming his him learning something if possible, that can lead to a trait or skill ( Or improving substantially relations with someone). Like idk Sailor or Mariner, Archer, Hunter, Athlete or becoming Learned(greek). If we work more on it during the travel. Which could be of use for the war and out of it.
I doubt things will go like in the normal timeline.

>>5759183
Thankfully. Honestly its best if they can stay well together more than gaining power. Being a witch and soon to be successfull woman (if everything goes has we planned in the coming months back at home), will not be liked by many more powerful marriage candidates and would lead to a bad marriage.
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The next morning, you are roused at dawn by the same pair of smiling young Apollonian acolytes, and then clothed in fresh, white cloak and chiton. They provide you with a simple, light breakfast of honeyed bread, grains and fruits. As you dine, they demonstrate the γερανός – the high-stepping, twisting crane dance that Theseus had performed with the youths rescued from the Minotaur of Crete. It’s a complicated action – spinning and turning, with many advancing steps and quick retreats backwards. They explain that the dance itself is meant to honor Theseus’ risky journey into the Labyrinth and his triumphant return, and the dancing motions represent the many paths of the maze.

“But why call this the crane dance?” you ask, puzzled.

“Lord Nikandros – this is because the bird travels to the entrances of the underworld on the far east and west edges of the world. Similarly, Theseus’ journey mirrors a man’s descent into death and into the realm of the Host of Many, and the dance celebrates his victorious return.”

Once you’ve dined, done your best to learn the dance, and said your morning prayers to the immortal gods (taking special care to pay your respect to Apollo), they bring you into the largest of the tents upon the hillside – this one you have not yet been within.

Ranks of devotees of the Apollo are singing hymnals in praise across the tent, arranged in twelve groups of perhaps ten apiece, and you join your fellow competitors, who are seated upon a long bench off-center. The hymnal singers are led by King Anios himself, his ringing voice setting the pace and pitch of the chorus. It is clear that you are meant to sit in silence, and so you bow your head alongside Menelaus and Palamedes. You steal glimpses around the tent as you do this, and notice that this particular tent is lavishly decorated with standing friezes and mosaics of Apollo’s life – the scene of his birth here on Delos, surrounded by Leto, Artemis and Eileithyia, goddess of mercy and childbirth; the slaying of the giant Tityos and also of the Cyclopes who had fashioned the lightning bolt that had murdered his son, Asclepius. Another large frieze depicts the flaying of the satyr Marsyas, who had unwisely lost to Apollo to a contest of flute-playing. Above you, gilded cages of enormous size hold ravens of impressive size, who watch silently from their perches – unsettling. On the far side of the tent, you are surprised to see a small pond, containing an especially large and majestic swan – listening to the hymns with regal authority. You notice that there is another passage out of the tent on the far-side, a second entrance, currently closed.

>cont
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Time passes slowly – the heavy scents of incense and oils within the tent flood your nose and mouth, but this is not unpleasant. From outside the tent, you hear activity, and the singers raise their voices in a pleasing crescendo. Their voices cut out at Anios' direction, and in perfect silence, seven pairs of Athenian youths, boys and girls of thirteen or fourteen summers, wearing simple white robes enter the tent. They step with stately precision, mature beyond their years, and behind them, is Menestheus bearing a large wicker basket – within, are golden cornstalks and sheaves of corn-ears of Hyperborean origin. The ears of corn are gigantic and rich - you've never seen their like previously, and seem just as fresh the day they must have been picked in Hyperborea. The basket itself is festooned with larkspur, laurel and cypress twigs.

King Anios moves to the center of the tent, and beckons the Athenians forward - the hymnal singers raise their voices once more in holy praise of Apollo, and once the procession from Athens passes through the second tent entrance by the swan pond, the hymnal singers guide each of you competitors through the tent’s second passage as well.

The morning outside is bright, and the air is charged with power – before you, is the Altar of Horns. It is enormous – a gleaming, ivory construction, composed of animal horns of all types and kinds. Apollo was said to have constructed the Altar from horn and ivory provided to him by his sister, Artemis Αγροτερη, and at once, you see that this is the truth – there is no obvious mechanism of binding, or bracing, to keep the horns of the altar together. It is solid, immutable, and the anchor of the island itself. Perhaps ten strides away, you see a cypress tree of medium-size and awe dawns on you when you realize that is it the cypress tree – the once that Leto braced against whilst Artemis and Eileithyia delivered Apollo himself.

The Hyperborean gifts are laid upon the Altar by Menestheus and King Anios, and the boys of the Athenian delegation are ritually shorn by their female companions– the young men collecting their long boyhood hair into bundles, wrapped with larkspur stems, and placed securely in smaller baskets, carrying them up to the Altar. The boys of each Athenian pair join each group of hymnal singers, with one left before the Altar in kneeling supplication. Once accomplished, the singers file into the beginning arrangements of the crane dance. Standing many strides away from the Altar, six single-file lines are formed, each led by one of the Lesser Delia competitors. The final member of each line is another competitor – once each dancing line has reached the Altar, the dancers will reverse trajectory, and the final dancer in line will become the new dancing leader, guiding the procession away from the Altar once more.

For yourself, you are placed at the rear of the line led by Palamedes – and the dance begins!
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Rolled 14, 2, 15, 2, 3, 20, 13, 17, 10, 19, 14, 4, 19, 12 = 164 (14d20)

>From the players, I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+1 for Nikon's dancing skills. This is (AGI+CHA/2) challenge.

>Here's the list of manual bonuses for each of the other competitors so you guys knows I'm not cheating behind the scenes. I'm rolling for the diplomatic party first.

Menelaus: +4 bonus
Ajax: +2 bonus
Odysseus: +6 bonus
Castor: +4 bonus
Pollux: +3 bonus
Palamedes: +1 bonus
Teukros: +4 bonus


Thasos: +2 bonus (extra roll)
Andros: +2 bonus (extra roll)
Mykonos: +0 bonus (extra roll)
Menestheus: +3 bonus (extra roll)
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Rolled 19, 9, 10, 19, 13, 6, 13, 9, 17, 3, 2, 6 = 126 (12d20)

>>5760200

>here's the roll for the Delians and Menestheus
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Rolled 17 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5760200
>Odysseus rolls a 26
Oh my god
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>>5760200
>>5760202

>here's the final tally

Menelaus: 18
Ajax: 17
Odysseus: 26 (the man can jive)
Castor: 21
Pollux: 22 (the greater of the Dioscuri
Palamedes: 15
Teukros: (damn Teukie)


Thasos: 21
Andros: 21
Mykonos: 17
Menestheus: 9 (HORRIBLE KEK)
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Rolled 5 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5760204
>>5760203

What matters is that we did better than Ajax.
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I’m somewhat surprised that Palamedes had such a low bonus. I thought he was a real charismatic fellow.
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>>5760210

I’m envisioning him as a really smart guy but Homer’s previous description of him in the library makes me think that the guy is INTmaxxed but hasn’t invested much in other areas.

>>5760203
>>5760208

Nikon safely in the middle of pack and outperforming Ajax, and one of the Delian princes is a basically a victory for him, nicely done anons.

Someone double-check my math but top three dancers are:

Odysseus : 26
Teukros: 23
Pollux: 22
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>>5760212
Seems right to me.
>INTmaxxed
Alrighty, there was this line from thread two that made me think he was somewhat good with speech. Might just be INT desu
>Yet in his hesitance to speak you detect his intelligence- even in a casual conversation he marshals his speech carefully.
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>>5760202
>Menestheus 9 with extra roll
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Shuffling and weaving at the end of your processional line, you find the rhythm of the dance – there is an order to the twisting and turning that becomes more evident as you shuffle on, following the hymnal singer before you closely. For some reason, the careful steps – advancing, retreating – side-twists and turns – reminds you of your endless hours of drilling in the training yard. In short – you surprise yourself by taking to the dance well!

Across the field, you gauge the performance of the others. Odysseus, to your complete expectation, is a wonder to behold, dancing with style, verse and poise – even his face managing to communicate joy and precision all at once. On the other side of the Altar, you seek Teukros leading his own line of hymnal singers, dancing nearly as well as Odysseus, his natural agility and carefree attitude lending his feet grace – you’re proud of him! Beside you, at the tail end of your neighboring line, Pollux is lost in the dance, face smooth and eyes unseeing, turning so smoothly and stepping so finely that he truly does appear to be a large blonde crane, threading his way through the shallows.

Menestheus brings attention to himself in a negative way – his dance is stilted, awkward, his face in a grimace. Perhaps the earning morning performance does not agree with his joints, as you know old men sometimes need hours before they gain a measure of flexibility. He certainly appears to be in pain, as he shuffles across the dewy grass. His staggering motions cause his dancers to bunch up and nearly collide on several occasions.

When the time comes to reverse direction, you spin with aplomb, and competently guided your dancers out of the Labyrinth, reversing the curling pathway you used to approach – time again stretches strangely. You blink, and the dance is over – Anios is presenting Odysseus with a golden crane pin, Teukros with one of silver, and finally, Pollux with one of bronze. Anios raises his arms widely before the Altar, emitting a long chantlike sermon extoling the virtues of his father. From across the field, you see a young hymnal singer, dark of hair, smiling broadly, unlike his solemn-faced peers – and you suspect Apollo is pleased with your group’s conduct this morning.

Dance complete, you are swiftly shepherded away from the Altar – you pay it once last glance, searing it into your memory, before the tent curtain shields it from your view.

>cont
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Rolled 3, 3, 8, 2, 14, 14, 3, 10, 10, 16, 1, 9, 6, 13, 6 = 118 (15d20)

After another brief set of ritual cleansings, you are brought outside, into the large courtyard before King Anios’ tent. You’re shocked to find huge numbers of people sitting silently there on temporary wooden benches – hundreds of wealthy pilgrims from Athens, Rineia and all of Hellas having been assembled in near-silence while the most sacred part of the Lesser Delia took place. Many of them have the height and physical appearance of nobility, although you recognize none within the crowd. A large wooden stage has been maneuvered into position before the audience, so that the competitors may sit in clear view.

Each of the competitors, yourself included, are provided with a well-tuned lyre – so that you may pluck at the strings whilst you deliver your poetry. Of course, you are not expected to invent stanzas of such material on the spot – you have been carefully inventing your contribution in spare moments once you learned that you will be attending the Lesser Delia. Putting aside your nervousness, you prepare yourself to deliver poetry before a live crowd - while you have a mild aversion to public performance, it hardly compares to barbaroi trying to slay you openly.

King Anios ascends the stage to deliver yet another benediction, and welcome the audience members to the public portion of the Lesser Delia - cheers of approval wash out over the hillside when it is time for the poetry to begin!

>Players, I need dice+1d20+2 for Nikon's ability to compose and deliver poetry to the crowd. Poetry of this type is an (INT+CHA/2) action. Please note that Nikon still has a fading concussion, so his combined bonus is (4+0)/2 = 2). I'm rolling for the diplomatic party as follows:

Menelaus: +2 bonus
Ajax: +3 bonus
Odysseus: +14 bonus yes, I am serious
Castor: +4 bonus
Pollux: +2 bonus
Palamedes: +6 bonus (he gets an extra roll due to being Literate)
Teukros: +2 bonus
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Rolled 3, 18, 1, 3, 1, 15, 10, 9, 8 = 68 (9d20)

>>5760277

>and now I'm rolling for the Delians/Menestheus

Thasos: +1 bonus
Andros: +3 bonus (and an extra roll due to Poet trait)
Mykonos: +3 bonus
Menestheus: +4 bonus
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Rolled 11 + 2 (1d20 + 2)

>>5760277
Odysseus is running away with the golds
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>>5760277
>>5760278

Here's the breakdown:

Menelaus: 5 (fucking horrible, but he dgaf, lol)
Ajax: 11 (serviceable but not great)
Odysseus: 28 (literally making Apollo weep with joy)
Castor: 14
Pollux: 18
Palamedes: 15 (his literacy doesn't translate, he's too big a nerd)
Teukros: 15
Thasos: 19
Andros: 6 (CRUSHING FAILURE)
Mykonos: 17
Menestheus: 13

Anons, doublecheck my math
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Rolled 10 + 2 (1d20 + 2)

>>5760277
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>>5760279
>>5760282
Lol

>Menelaus: 5
>Andros: 6

Hope Apollo is too focus on Odickus to kill or curse them
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>>5760279
>>5760315

Again, Nikon doing a serviceable job here, escaping embarrassment but also not really standing out.
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>>5760320
>Not really standing out
Succeeding in moderation.
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>>5760282
Friendly reminder that Odysseus sings books 9-12 of the Odyssey himself. Completely in character.
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>>5760320
Given our history I expected this to have gone horribly. I'm happy just to be showing up Ajax. ]He is the closest to us in terms of size and demeanor.

Ajax is serviceable. We are slightly above average.
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>>5760323
Not standing out is succeeding and the best possible outcome given our competitors and lacking skillset. Also, we can bet all our sister's recently acquired wealth that given the participants and the audience multiple divinities are watching us right now.
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>>5760351
Whatever works man, I'm fine swimming in mediocrity as long as we stop rolling severe failures every other prompt.
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King Anios calls upon Menelaus to begin the contest, announcing him to the crowd – although, you use the word “begin” generously here. Menelaus clearly has spent no time at all in the development of his poetry, probably thinking it beneath him. He mutters some half-hearted lines about “the pure thrills of combat”, but frankly speaking, the rhymes are childish and ill-formed, even to your uneducated ear. He quickly loses the attention of the crowd, the faces of the audience sagging into bored frowns. It’s not long before you hear catcalls from the rear-benches:

“Tell us Menelaus – was it your poetry that caused Helen to flee Sparta?”

Menelaus flinches at the remark – you expect him to tear through the crowd to throttle the heckler, but King Anios seems to recognize the danger just as you do. He quickly strides back on stage to escort Menelaus from view, before violence can mar Apollo’s celebration.

The next few contestants do serviceable work – Ajax, plucking at his lyre half-heartedly, sings of the Nereids of Salamis, and Castor delivers a surprisingly boring performance about a foundering ship in the Maeotian Swamp – you think he means to come off as plaintive and despondent, but his slow pacing is off-putting. Andros, prince of Anios, ascends the stage with a pretentious air, and delivers a sort of bizarre poem of experimental nature – there seems no rhyming in the traditional sense, and he instead delivers his verses in a sort of arhythmic staccato, bursts of words that seem to only vaguely relate to one another. The crowd hisses in displeasure at his approach and Andros, furious at the poor reaction, hurls his lyre at a particularly fat nobleman. Once again, Anios must swiftly intervene before things get out of hand – he calls upon Odysseus, King of Ithaka immediately, guiding his son out of view.

Odysseus’ reputation as a storyteller precedes him, of course – even you are desperately eager to hear the man perform. His very presence is enough to silence the crowd, as he stands on the stage, lyre in hand, with his head turned down – he lets the anticipation build for nearly a minute, before he raises his face – eyes afire with passion.

>cont
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>>5760282
Apollo appears after the competition:
Odysseus gets adopted by Apollo while Andros gets disinherited on the spot.
>sorry Anios but your boy Andros isn't worthy of my blood, also Odysseus is your son now so deal with it.

(I'm thinking Odysseus may have stolen the poetry Andros wanted to sing and the guy ugly cries shamefully)
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“How then shall I sing of you, O Phoebus,
though in all ways you are a worthy theme for song?
Shall I sing of you as wooer and in the fields of love,
how you went wooing the daughter of Azan,
along with god-like Ischys, the son of well-horsed Elatius
or with Phorbas sprung from Triops or with Ereutheus,
or with Leucippus and the wife of Leucippus ...
you on foot, he with his chariot,
yet he fell not short of Triops.
Or shall I sing how at the first you went
about the earth seeking a place of oracle for men,
O far-shooting Apollo?
To Pieria first you went down from Olympus
and passed by sandy Lectus and Enienae
and through the land of the Perrhaebi.
Soon you came to Iolcus and set foot on Cenaeum
in Euboea, famed for ships: you stood in the Lelantine plain,
but it pleased not your heart
to make a temple there and wooded groves.
From there you crossed the Euripus, far-shooting Apollo,
and went up the green, holy hills,
going on to Mycalessus and grassy-bedded Teumessus,
and so came to the wood-clad abode of Thebe;
for as yet no man lived in holy Thebe,
nor were there tracks or ways about Thebe's wheat-bearing plain as yet…


His words are sublime, the pacing perfect - even his work upon the lyre seems to be plucked from the halls of Olympus. Incredibly, the man creates the impression of improvisation, nodding at audience members who must clearly hail from the regions about which he sings - he is correctly deducing the origins of audience members and then concocting the poetry even as he performs it! Your mind rejects the concept even as it generates the thought - no mortal man can do such a thing!

Odysseus curses the necessity of illness in the world, even as he praises Apollo for his defense of the young - as Odysseus sings further of Apollo and the many blessings that Hellas receives from him, he weeps in gratitude for the gifts of the far-shooter, the sheer emotion flowing from his lips causing many in the raptly-attentive crowd to weep as well - yourself included! Your heart is moved by the truth of Odysseus' words - how many children has Apollo saved? How many vile, chthonic beasts have been slain by brilliant Phoebus? Surely, the blessing are countless.

A half-hour passes and Odysseus' expertly-woven stanzas close - he finishes with a desperate request that Apollo himself remember this performance, since Odysseus will never sing of it again; again, the implication that he simply spun the poetry out of his mind spontaneously and will not remember it later himself. When he concludes, the audience explodes in praise - surely, none present can top this performance, and your prediction is borne out - the other competitors, yourself included, are called to perform, but this inferior poetry is swiftly forgotten in the face of Odysseus' legendary performance.

King Anios summons Odysseus, his son Thasos, and Pollux to the stage - he presents the three with a golden, silver and bronze lyre pin, respectively.
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Next update will be later tonight, perhaps 9-10pm. Thanks for your continued attentions, all.
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I wonder what Odysseus' archery modifier is raw. I'm sure Castor is the superior bowman, hence why Odysseus felt the need to cheat in their previous competition. Well, I suppose we shall see once we get to that part of the day.
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>>5760401

Archery is up next, actually - so you’ll find out tonight!
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>>5760402
Radical. I think there is only one other notable bowman from the Achaean's side but I can't recall their name. Or I might be schizophrenic. One or the other. You know how it is with LBA.
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>>5760577
Philoctetes?
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>>5760581
Yeah, that guy. Thank you.
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Once the pinning is complete, King Anios proclaims that the contest of archery will soon begin – Helios’ chariot is swiftly rising in the mid-morning sky, and the next event must continue in short order if the Delia are to conclude before nightfall.

Immediately, squadrons of servants appear to stow the temporary benches and wooden stage back where they had obtained these – the audience members stand and mill about, stretching their legs. Odysseus is immediately swarmed by well-wishers and fans; many beautiful women elbow past each other to best greet the poetry champion of this year’s Apollonian festival. You’ve spent little time in Odysseus’ company, but even from a distance, you see his flashing white smile, and the coquettish giggling of young noblewomen – the Ithakan is in his element. One woman, taller than most, dares to rest her hand around the neck of Odysseus in an overly familiar fashion from many strides away – her pale blue robes and gray eyes striking in the mid-morning light.

Soon, you are swept away to the archer’s contest by the flood of Hellenes – you bump into Castor and Pollux amongst the crowd, Castor with a fierce shine to his eye. Pollux congratulates you earnestly on not making a spectacle of yourself so far, and you in turn congratulate him for his two third-place finishes – not bad for a man of over seventy summers, you note seriously. Pollux shakes his head in mock distress, stating:

“Don’t make me regret tutoring you, Nikandros – hearing my reflected wisdom causes me great anguish,” he says teasingly.

In the rolling field to the west of Anios’ tent, a series of seven archery hoops have been erected – these have been carefully aligned in the approximate trajectory of an arrow’s flight from a bow. The first hoop is broadest in diameter, and closest to the archer’s stand – perhaps ten strides distant. The next hoop is smaller, and elevated higher, and the third hoop is yet smaller, and elevated even further. The final four hoops shrink in size and fall back down to the verdant earth. The smallest hoop’s diameter is ridiculously small, perhaps the size of your fist, and quite far away – perhaps a third of a stadia.

It would take the expertise of a master archer to judge the wind, his own strength and the performance of his bow, the flight of the arrow, and then correctly place his shot through all seven hoops. Even with Teukros present, you’re unsure whether any among you might be able to successfully thread the needle. As for yourself – it would take an unbelievable stroke of luck for your arrow to pass through all seven hoops. The best you can hope for is a solid performance, competing as you are against Teukros, Castor, and Odysseus as you are.

>cont
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Rolled 17, 17, 9, 1, 7, 5, 7, 16, 11, 19, 7, 13, 2, 19 = 150 (14d20)

As you prepare for your challenge, you overhear a discussion amongst King Anios and his sons, Mykonos and Thasos.

“Father, Andros refuses to leave his tent – let us go on without him!” Mykonos pleads. Anios visibly sighs in disappointment, before replying in words too soft for you to make out. For that matter – Odysseus is missing as well, as you take a headcount. Regardless, Anios seems to decide to move on with the contest, announcing each of you to the audience in turn. For those of you without bows, the Delians offer you their own – but Teukros intervenes as you are about to receive yours, saying:

“Better to use the bow you used training yesterday, Nikandros,” pressing the weathered pirate’s bow into your hands. It seems to be wise enough advice, and so you engage in the warm-up exercises that Teukros had taught you previously.

Odysseus' absence causes some gossip to spring up amongst the audience - but there's no obligation for one of the competitors to attend every single event. Just as you begin saying your prayers to Nike, you hear shouts of greeting - Odysseus' stocky frame is visible sprinting down the hillside, with his bow on his back.

"Wait, wait!" the Ithakan king calls out, laughingly. "I was detained!" Even while running, he is able to make a crude gesture implying female companionship, and the audience roars with laughter. He joins the line-up of competitors, looking both more out of breath and disheveled than typical, a dreamy grin on his face. Anios clearly disapproves at the disruption, his eyes narrowed, but he only announces Odysseus once more - as if he has not already made quite the impression on the crowd.

You put the distraction out of your mind, and turn back to your warm-up exercises...

>players, I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+3. Please note that Nikon retains his +2 temporary archery buff from Teukros' instruction yesterday, but this will evaporate within 24 hours. See competitors below:

Menelaus: +3 bonus
Ajax: +1 bonus
Odysseus: +4 bonus
Castor: +8 bonus
Pollux: +3 bonus
Palamedes: +1 bonus
Teukros: +11 bonus
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Rolled 20 + 3 (1d20 + 3)

>>5760603
Time to critfail.
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>>5760605
Never before have I been this happy to be wrong in this quest.
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>>5760607
>>5760605
Holy shit good fuckin job Anon.
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Rolled 6 + 3 (1d20 + 3)

>>5760603
Good LORD Teukros. And here I thought Castor was the best archer around. Boy is built different.

>>5760605
Yeah baby woo! Sure we can't win, but by the gods we're making a fine showing. Unless this counts as a crit because Apollo is in the crowd? Eh? EH? naw. I'm happy with just this. No one can deny Nikon just made a perfect fucking shot, even if he doesn't win.
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>>5760603
>>5760609
I think we just won the bronze, if not the silver.
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>>5760595
>>5760605
NIKE is best girl!
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>>5760614
Yeah I think you're right. We beat Pollux by 1 point. Against all odds, the underdog in nearly every contest, Nikon the noble from nowhere clutched a W. So it goes Teukros with a whopping THIRTY, Castor with 24, then Nikon with 23. Damn fine.
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>>5760609
This is likely the most important of all the challenges and will gain us a reputation/kleos bonus.
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>Just as you begin saying your prayers to Nike
>Roll 20
NIKE IS LISTENING
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>>5760616
I mean a crit of 20 may overcome Castor's 19 depending on whether QM is feeling charitable.
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>>5760616
What's more impressive is the caliber of our competition and that he showed our teacher he did not waste his time.
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>>5760619
Well crits are only enabled when the divine are involved in quest. So I don't know if close observation counts or if there needs to be direct intervention. I'm assuming there is no crit to be had despite Apollo being right there in the crowd, drawn by Odysseus' insane poetry, because he isn't actually doing anything besides watching.

It's a fair question to ask though. Since he's literally a stone's throw away. Probably. If we were competing against a disguised god we'd have critted though. But if crits are enabled right now, that means Ajax probably snapped his bow or shot someone by mistake. Since he'd crit fail.

Funnily enough, Ajax shot almost as well as Odysseus right here. I guess the tryst was a bit more intense than the "silver-tongued" was expecting kek
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>>5760624
I mean we did pray to Nike then got a crit. Remember when Odysseus did his prayer and helped his shot? I'm also fine with tying.
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It's hilarious how this will play out since us and Ajax had some of the lowest bonuses out of everyone here and each time we end up showing him up.
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>>5760633
Well the difference is Odysseus didn't just say "Hey Athena, let me do good pls" he probably straight up bribed her with a "lemme have some juice mommy and I'll sacrifice a buncha cattle". You can absolutely throw money at the gods for a little bit of oomph as long as you offer enough and ask correctly.

Unless of course you are a favorite. Like Pollux is to Zeus. Or Sarpedon. If they entreated him they'd get some goodies just for asking nicely because he likes them a lot. Unless there is something stopping him.
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Rolled 2, 10, 20, 16, 6, 20 = 74 (6d20)

>>5760605
>>5760609

haha I wonder how bad Nikon fucked it -

NICE.

I'm going to roll for the Delians/Menestheus as well, since I got interrupted in the middle - I'll complete a final tally of all participants, and then figure it out from there.

Thasos: +1 bonus
Mykonos: +4 bonus
Menestheus: +2 bonus
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>>5758849
>>5760603
>>5760605

You were saying?
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>>5760640
two more twenties
what is this
also did anyone catch possible athena in the crowd of hoes for Odysseus?
>One woman, taller than most, dares to rest her hand around the neck of Odysseus in an overly familiar fashion from many strides away – her pale blue robes and gray eyes striking in the mid-morning light.
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>>5760640
Fuck!
One point shy of the bronze! Please let the crits get some sort of push!
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>>5760640
Mother FUCKERS. So damn close.

Hey hey if crits are enabled that means We'd be one of the winners, right? Come on. SNATCHED FROM THE JAWS OF VICTORY! ACCURSED MYKONOS I WILL HAVE YOUR NUTS
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>>5760642
Come on Lesches be merciful! Surely all the crits narratively have to mean something like Apollo is present!! Afterall was this entire event supposed to summon him?
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>multiple people end up making the ultimate shot thanks to crits
>turns out apollo was just throwing out blessings like candy
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>>5760642
Those are Athena's colors after all.
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I count 3 crits, 1 critfail, 2 near critfails, and 2 near crits. That is highly irregular.
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>>5760646
Sure would be nice if that Nike prayer pushed us into bronze territory.
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>>5760640
Lol
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>>5760603

Anons, doublecheck my math:

Nikandros: 23
Menelaus: 20
Ajax: 10 (he's been shitting the bed the whole Delia, poor guy)
Odysseus: 11 (head's not in the game)
Castor: 24
Pollux: 22
Palamedes: 14
Teukros: 30 (what a gangsta)
Thasos: 14 (he actually has a +4 bonus, I fucked up in my post earlier, although it doesn't matter)
Mykonos: 24
Menestheus: 22

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This is an unbelievable group performance, the gods must be pretty frickin entertained. In terms of crits, I will stick to Homer's rules - crits do NOT apply in this tournament. However, it is obvious to all that the gods are having a laff at the mortal's expense here and my next update shall reflect this.

Teukros: 30
Castor: 24 (there will be a shoot-off to decide 2nd/3rd place)
Mykonos: 24 (there will be a shoot-off to decide 2nd/3rd place)
Nikandros: 23 (gets fucking ROBBED by Mykonos, but he can't be mad, a VERY good performance)

and then everybody else.

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Whew, so after 3-4 updates today, I'm pretty spent and taking the rest of the night off from QMing. However, I'm definitely hoping to keep momentum and get Nikon off Delos ASAP. My thanks to the players - I'm still having fun!
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>>5760655
Even our best was not enough.
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>>5760655
>but he can't be mad,
He doesn't need to be, I'm angry enough for the both of us.
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>>5760655
>Whew, so after 3-4 updates today, I'm pretty spent and taking the rest of the night off from QMing. However, I'm definitely hoping to keep momentum and get Nikon off Delos ASAP. My thanks to the players - I'm still having fun!

This was nice, thenks QM
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>>5760655
Thank you!
But I am still pissed off! He only beat us because his granddaddy Apollo pulled strings!
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>>5760655
Will we get some sort of consolation prize? Of course not. As the saying goes, there is no prize for fourth place at the Olympics.
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>>5760655
I will settle for making Ajax look like a fucking clown compared to us.
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Kek, Ajax sticking to his lore and jobbing in formal competitions. Giantchads like him and Nik only try in real battles
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>>5760672
Call it what it is. Performance anxiety. Some just can't perform in front of a crowd.
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>>5760605
We're so back. Again.
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The last thing I will say is that we still outperformed fucking Pollux and two kings. That must still carry some weight.
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>>5760664

And specifically to knock us off from 3rd place, too - the absolute bastard
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>>5760683
Perhaps we will even be able to see it happen due to our FOB. Knowing that we would have taken a medal but for literal divine intervention would help.
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Teukros 30 mean that his arrow go through all the hoops, stopped, then backtracked following it's trajectory to the first hoop and then launched itself again?

RAANN
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>>5760683
Were it not for the laws of this land (and friendly competition) he'd be mincemeat.

Man, what a letdown though. Since this is probably the closest we'll get to a W. We're not going to roll this well for the footrace, and with the sheer volume of rolls the opposition gets we'll get drowned out inevitably. Sure, we're beating some of the competitors and not doing poorly at anything, but being THIS CLOSE to actually taking it and having it snatched away hurts. It wounds me. I'm taking psychic damage. Especially since now with so much charged energy in the air, it won't seem as much like Nikon did a good job as it will that Apollo is blessing the place with a grand showing and spicing up the competition to the benefit of the attendees.

Nikon and Pollux (and Anios and perhaps his sons) will know better, of course, being able to see any actual divine intervention, but the rest of them won't. Fuckin hell. Well, I'm happy for Teukros, at least. He of all people deserves a W every now and again.
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>>5760693
Probably after passing the hoops it struck a pair of doves midflight and pinned them in the heart of a passing stag.
Or it sunk a passing ship.
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We have to thenks Nike for this tho.

Apollo can have the three victors, but this personal victory is only for her.

>>5760700
Nice
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New Goal; RAPE MYKONOS in revenge
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>>5760712
>mykonos just having a good time shooting
>suddenly in his peripheral vision :
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Rolled 2, 13, 4, 1 = 20 (4d20)

>>5760712
Rolling to rape.

First two rolls are Nikon
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le sigh
even when we win we lose
just have to keep trucking along...
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Sometimes our best just ain't good enough. If there is one fact to take heart in, it is that we did better than both Ajax and Odysseus. Also, I could have sworn that being a student of Chiron would've given Ajax a +4 to archery.
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>>5760900
Odysseus got fucking CLOWNED on this time.
>"Oh yeah he's a pretty good archer, I wonder how where he's gonna plac-"
>gets through three hoops and hits a bush
>meanwhile Ajax does the exact same thing and hits Odysseus arrow in the bush
At least Anios is going to be happy that the guy who was almost late for one of the actual important parts of the lesser Delia just brought his own rep down. Just a little smug, as a treat.

As for Ajax not having a big bonus, I would assume that is because he slacked in his practice of archery since he was tutored. Focusing on the spear and the stone instead.
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Imagine if the challenge was to throw stones instead.
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>>5760990
>throw stones
Isn't the discus made of rock? Last time one of the Hippomedion siblings dealt with such a thing it lead to some fun times.
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>>5760900

Goddammit, you'e right anon - Ajax does have a +4 archery bonus per his "Student of Chiron" trait.

I'm correcting Ajax's rolls outcome: 10->14

Still a very underwhelming performance from him and does not change the content outcome. Thanks for pointing this out though - it's tough to juggle 12 character sheets for these competition events.
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>>5761061
>does not change the content outcome
Well it changes one thing, Odysseus looks even sillier. Big win.
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Menelaus, as is right, goes first in the content. His blocky figure is hunched and even you can see that his form is mediocre at best – but Menelaus was never known for his personal achievements in battle , being better-known in Hellas as Agamemnon’s kinder (a highly relative comparison) brother.

Nevertheless, you’re impressed to see Menelaus’ arrow streak through one – three – four of the hoops in total, before his arrow veers off to the left. An excellent shot for the man, despite his relative lack of training and skill in this area. True to his boisterous nature, Menelaus vaunts triumphantly:

“Let us see any man present can outdo my work!” and then delivered as an after-thought, as he leaves the archer’s stand, “Praise be to Apollo Far-Shooter!”

Teukros says nothing as he approaches the stand himself – of all contestants, he is among the least well-known group, although the brazen crane pin from this morning’s dance now glitters on his robes, catching the morning light – and also the attention of the audience, who murmur amongst themselves, trading gossip about the bastard son of Telamon.

Teukros stands at the ready, bow raised but arrow unnocked for a considerable time – minutes pass, as he breathes calmly, his face placid. At first, you think he is simply waiting for a favorable gust of wind, but as breezes come and go, you wonder whether he is waiting for some internal sign – an interior catalyst that will drive him to act. The audience is beginning to grow restless, murmuring louder, but the sound does not seem to ruffle Teukros.

In a blur, he suddenly draws, nocks, and fires his arrow – and the shot is wondrously perfect, sailing through the first hoop. The audience is momentarily caught off-guard by the rapid action, but their cheers grow as the arrow passes through the fourth hoop – the six – the seventh!! Amazingly, the arrow does not come into contact with any of the hoops, not even the last. You are staggered – the man is not a master archer , but a legendary one, and you have had the marvelous good fortune to befriend him before his tale has truly begun. The crowd is in disbelief, half of them screaming out in excitement and the other half checking with their neighbors, in doubt of their own eyes.

Teukros, probably uncomfortable with the attention, simply waves to the crowd in recognition of their support, and comes back to the line of competitors – you make a special point to grasp his shoulder and shake him in playful congratulations as he passes, forcing a smile to his lips.

>cont
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Next, Ajax is summoned – and despite his excellent form, he botches his shot badly, his arrow passing through the first hoop but missing the second by a thumb before sailing out of alignment. The crowd hisses in disappointment, and to your side, Menestheus gripes indistinctly about the “legendary training of Κενταυροι”.

Odysseus fares even more poorly, fumbling his arrow’s release and causing it to streak wildly through the first hoop at a strange angle. His tense shoulders and pugnacious chin tell you that he must be embarrassed – and is taking it poorly. The crowd heckles him as he returns to the line of competitors, turning on him for his poor effort – his cheeks are reddened with anger, but he says nothing, grimly waiting for the catcalls to cease. The rest of you competitors studiously avoid meeting his eye, leaving him his privacy.

Then – you are called to the stand. The crowd, of course, barely knows you, politely watching with interest as a giant approaches, your bow seeming like a child’s toy. You ignore the crowd, and focus your mind. You take the opportunity to make another silent prayer to Nike, invoking her as goddess of victorious contests and promising to win her fame if she provides you with glory.

And you feel Her eyes on you.

The sensation is entirely novel to you, but you recognize it immediately – the prickling pressure dancing upon your skin can only be the gaze of a goddess examining you closely, and when you take a breath – the faintest scent of pomegranate. You try not to betray your excitement, and surreptitiously scan the crowd – but she must be well-hidden, for you see nothing out of the ordinary. This is your chance! your heart sings. Striking while you have momentum, while your nerves are singing together like lyre strings in harmony, you bring the bowstring to your cheek – and loose.

You immediately know – this is the best possible effort you are capable of, an irreproducible act of brilliance on your part. Your arrow carves a perfect arc through the air, passing through two – four – five hoops!!! and only narrowly misses the six, pushed out of alignment by a stray gust of wind. The crowd roars in approval – and you can’t help yourself by yelling out triumphantly as well. From the audience, you hear shouts of “Well done, giant!” and “The Thessalian is a marksman!”. You try not to let the moment go to your head, as you return to the line - second place seems to be all but in your grasp.

The Dioscuri, passing you, offer up a “nicely done, lad – but now watch the sons of Zeus try their hands!” Well-known to the crowd, the audience falls silent immediately. Pollux shoots first - and alarmingly, he matches your shot nearly exactly - his arrow piercing through four hoops. Castor, wasting no time, looses next - and you are crushed to see that his arrow manages to fall inside the sixth hoop - pushing you down to third place.

>cont
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>>5761500
we have been noticed!
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The Dioscuri, well-acquainted with the adoration of fans, take several minutes to mingle with the nobility, before Anios shoos them back into line.

Palamedes puts forth a valiant effort, but the man is simply not physically adept, nor particular well-trained in archery – he fails to hit even the second hoop. Nonetheless, he is quick to approach the stand and then leave, so the audience grants him courtesy – the tepid praise for a competitor rather than the jeering delivered to the King of Ithaka.

You watch Menestheus approach with caution – the man is unknown to you, really – and he could be an archer. Your heart leaps into your throat as you watch his shot narrowly miss the fifth hoop – you are desperate to cling to third place, and the inability to do anything but stand and observe is causing your guts to writhe in anxiety.
Thasos, son of Anios, puts forth a lackluster effort – by anyone else, it would simply be a poor shot , his arrow slinging over the second hoop’s rim, but for the grandson of Apollo and for a man who considers himself a talent hunter, it is simply shameful. Thasos hangs his head in abject despair – the audience boos loudly, and he quickly returns to the line of competitors, scurrying like a field mouse. Anios must be inwardly cursing, you think – his sons have collectively done very poorly so far.

When Mykonos takes the stand, you are hopeful to retain your third place position – despite his practiced draw, he seems unsure of himself, unconfident. He looses, and you watch as his arrow passes through the second hoop – the third – the fourth – and in mid-flight, you watch as a silver tendril loops out of the sky to adjust the flight of the arrow, shepherding through the fifth and sixth hoops. Your fury ignites immediately – one of the bastard gods has betrayed you! Few among the crowd see what you do – the Dioscuri are careful not to react, but Anios and the Delian princes hardly bother to hide their pleasure; the audience explodes in applause and cheering, a display of open favoritism for the Delians. Mykonos jogs off the stand to consult with his father, and you’re able to read Anios’ lips:

“My father has blessed you with a victory, Mykonos!”

You close your eyes in disgust, attempting to remain calm. You EARNED your third place position with a shot of your own – no deity stepped in to assist you! You take many deep breaths and only just manage to restrain yourself from crushing Mykonos – after all, what can a man do if the gods decide to elevate his neighbor instead of himself? Nothing.

Anios announces a tie-break between Castor and Mykonos – both men shot through six hoops, and therefore, there must another shot between them to determine the victor. Both men are quick to make themselves ready, Anios urging them to speed on, with the day passing quickly. Castor is first to retake the stand, and calmly draws...

Castor: +8 bonus
Mykonos: +4 bonus
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>>5761552

Apollo is being a tremendous fucking dickhead, here.

Next update, tomorrow! I'm behind schedule so hoping to put out at least 3-4 updates over the next 48 hours....
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>>5761552
I wonder if Pollux would get mad on behalf of his brother
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Well, at least we got noticed by Nike
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>>5761557
First the rivers, now a god. Now when Apollo is fucking about shooting our boys in the war he better be ready to get ROCKED. What an absolute shitter. Has to cheat to make his win. Sore fucking loser. And his spawn, as well. Availing themselves as if they had gained victory of their own efforts.

I hate this island.

>>5761558
I wish it were Pollux up on here getting fucked over like this, then Zeus would probably intervene and tell whoever it is to stop fucking with his boy. Alas it is Castor, the -mortal- twin. Which also fucking sucks, because Castor's a good dude who doesn't deserve this shittery.

If Pollux gets irate are we going to try and restrain him or back him up? The smart thing to do is try to calm him down if he can't handle the open divine fuckery. But on the other hand, he'll totally slap the shit out of the kid.

>>5761570
I wonder if she's irritated as well. Her boy got his win stolen.

So hey everyone, what's the consensus on body-checking Anios' kids during the footrace? Whoopsie we bumped them ha ha so clumsy? Man, if we didn't have the sympathetic trait these kids would be getting fucking rocked. I suppose it's for the best.
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>>5761574
Taking revenge on them in response to the interference of the gods? Not the best idea, the gods are just a fact of life.
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>>5761574
>Has to cheat to make his win.
This is going to be the whole fucking war mang
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>>5761642
But anon, it's just us using them as a vessel to tell Apollo he's a bitch. It's fair game. I'm sure they'd understand. I know, I'm just mad. Apollo is ruining the big moment for two people back to back. This injustice irks me.

>>5761661
What's funny is that without divine intervention, the Trojans (and by extension Apollo) loses, and with it the Trojans still lose. The Achaean's side is just too fucking strong. The only thing really keeping them from an immediate victory are the legendary walls of Troy itself. And the lacking supplies. Hungry armies are useless armies and all.
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>>5760640
>>5761552
Wow. It seems Apollo is really leaning on the scales here. At least it's obvious now what is happening and we did not get screwed over as bad as Castor. This is going to be embarrassing. What's important is that we honor Nike after this.
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Castor looses his shot – but again, a silvery tendril intervenes, wafting the arrow wide of the second hoop. Castor watches the shot, unable to intervene – there’s a long pause while the crowd howls and mocks him for such a terrible shot. He gives the crowd several seconds to make their views known, before motioning to them for silence. Once this has been achieved, he loudly proclaims:

“Apollo Ἑκατος, I honor you! Bless this isle and her generous inhabitants!”

It’s an honorable response and one that demonstrates significant restraint – you’re impressed with the man’s ability to stay calm despite such unfairness. But again – Castor is also a man with decades of experience with the divines, despite his only-middle-aged appearance. No doubt wisdom and self-control have helped keep the Dioscuri in the good graces of Olympus. As to which deity has intervened twice now – you can only imagine that it has been Apollo himself, given that you are present on his island during the festival of his own birth – but of course, you have no way to know this. Any number of divines may have chosen to intervene here, and you know nothing of the politics on Olympus.

With Castor clear of the stand, Mykonos saunters up, his previous doubts seemingly evaporated, nocks, takes aim and looses. Sadly, you see that it is a phenomenal shot – an exact replica of his previous attempt, although this time, no silver tendril is needed for his arrow to sail through six hoops. His smug grin infuriates you – no doubt he feels that he has earned his second-place finish despite the gods intervening not once, but twice! in the contest. As for yourself – a bubbling rage is suppressed within your core. Whichever deity intervened, bringing Mykonos to second-place, has interfered with your relationship with your chosen patron – Nike. You’ll have many more chances to win her favor, you’re sure, but the lost opportunity this morning wounds you deeply. After all, she is patron goddess of contests.

The crowd is joyous at Mykonos’ finish, and of the generally-high quality of the competitors’ performance – truly, the contest has been very exciting, even if it resulted in your loss of third-place position. Despite their previous heckling, the crowd is generally respectful as yourself and the other competitors wave to the audience, thanking them.

Anios makes a quick enterprise of the pinning – a gold bow pin on Teukros’ robes, in addition to his bronze crane from the morning’s dance, a silver bow for his son Mykonos, and finally, a brazen bow pin for Castor. Anios shades his eyes against the brilliance of Helios’ chariot above, gauging the time remaining in the morning – perhaps an hour before noon arrives. You hear his bell-like voice ringing out over the crowd, declaring:

“Join me now upon the sandy beaches to the west, so that we may send these men well-off on their footrace to mighty Cynthus’ peak!”

>cont
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The stroll downslope to the western beaches, with Rineia before you, is a pleasant one - the cool sea breeze granting respite from the arid heat. This corner of the island is new to you, but as you walk, you find that the descent to the ocean is relatively gentle. Taking a look at Mount Cynthus behind you, you mentally divide the footrace into three phases - the race to Cynthus itself, the steep climb up Cynthus' southern face, and then the downhill return sprint to the western beach. The easiest approach would be to sweep alongside the southern flank of the hill, and approaching from the south – you had previously seen there is an established pathway of relatively slow ascent. As you look upon Cynthus, you decide that “Mount” is a bit of a grand term for the pile of rock and dirt – the hilltop is perhaps only 200 strides above the shoreline – the highest peak on the isle, but you’re used to the grand sight of Mount Olympus from your palace gates in Thessaly – Cynthus hardly compares. To the south of Cynthus, there is a companion hill, lower in elevation – offhand, you’re not sure if this southern hill is named

Unfortunately, the river Inopos originates on the western face of Cynthus, before spilling down over the southern slope, before fanning out into a spread of babbling brooks and streams to the eastern beaches - no doubt, the majority of competitors will simply leap through the rushing water when the time comes, and the same as they descend. As for yourself - this would an unpleasant enterprise at best. You're certain to risk yet further divine intervention here, and not to your benefit. A river god like Inopos would no doubt have heard of your dispute with all rivers, and your general refusal to propitiate the Potamoi and their daughters before a river fording. You suppose that you could run alongside the southern-most bank of the Inopos, until you reach the marshy area when the river splits up into streams – you’d avoid the danger of fording the river, but at the cost of an indirect path to the Cynthus’ peak, adding significant distance to your race.

Furthermore, as you assemble by the beach, you’re keenly aware that your agility is lacking – presently, you have the Delian princes, Teukros, the Dioscuri, who are all likely your superior in speed and raw athleticism (and possibly also Menestheus, who has probably limbered up from his painful performance earlier this morning by the Altar of Horns). Your fellow competitors are also eyeing one another, as you assemble in a rough line upon the sand, your backs to Rineia. Andros, you notice, has once again failed to arrive for the competition – perhaps he has decided to bow out entirely, after his shameful performance in the contest of poetry. Thasos has seemingly recovered from his episode of poor bowmanship, and has sullenly rejoined the group. The crowd also has made their way downhill, bunched together in gossiping clumps.

>cont
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Odysseus, you notice, is glancing slyly at Teukros, ignoring the other competitors. In a flash of inspiration, you realize why – like yourself, Odysseus is not known to be blessed with silver feet, but unlike you, he is currently winning the Lesser Delia, with two gold pins. Teukros is in second place, with one gold pin and one silver pin. If Teukros wins the footrace, and Odysseus later does poorly in the contest of song tonight, he will possibly lose the Lesser Delia. No doubt this is an unacceptable outcome to the King of Ithaka. He must be planning to spoil the race for Teukros, probably through cunning and nefarious plot.

With this in mind, you consider your best approach to the footrace…

>This vote will end at 3pm EST, vote if you have an opinion or you’ll miss the chance to do so! Once this vote concludes, I’ll start rolling for everyone’s performance.

>Let Odysseus and Teukros fare as they may – do your best to win the footrace outright by following Pollux, the natural athlete, as best as you can, by fording the river Inopos. This approach is simplest, most direct and although it carries risks, perhaps the most straightforward approach is superior.

>Follow Odysseus as best as you can, no matter what his path may be, and attempt to spoil whatever plot he springs on Teukros. Teukros will no doubt be very grateful for your assistance, but this action will no doubt win you the enmity of King Odysseus – an extremely dangerous and cunning man. The pride of Kings are legend in Hellas, and a slighted one could very spell your eventual death, even if you are very careful.

>Follow the Delian princes, Mykonos and Thasos as best as you can – perhaps they know of some shortcut or hidden path that will be of help to you? Of all present, they know the isle of Delos best, and if there such a path, no doubt they will make use of it.

>Ignore the actions and plots of your competitors and instead simply run the best race that you can, avoiding the river Inopos by ranging around it, and removing yourself from the main body of competitors. In this way, you will avoid any cunning plots against you, and you will win the race or fail on your own merits. Of course, the extra distance will put you at a disadvantage, but strictly speaking, perhaps a finish in the middle of the pack would be an acceptable outcome.

>Something else I haven’t thought of?
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>>5761810
>Let Odysseus and Teukros fare as they may – do your best to win the footrace outright by following Pollux, the natural athlete, as best as you can, by fording the river Inopos. This approach is simplest, most direct and although it carries risks, perhaps the most straightforward approach is superior.
I’m sorry Teukros but we simply aren’t great enough to tangle with Odysseus. Who knows maybe Ajax will punch Odysseus.
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>>5761810
>Ignore the actions and plots of your competitors and instead simply run the best race that you can, avoiding the river Inopos by ranging around it, and removing yourself from the main body of competitors. In this way, you will avoid any cunning plots against you, and you will win the race or fail on your own merits. Of course, the extra distance will put you at a disadvantage, but strictly speaking, perhaps a finish in the middle of the pack would be an acceptable outcome.
If we fuck with Odysseus he's going to fuck with us and we don't have the stats for that.
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>>5761810
>>5761821
Support I feel this is for the best
Maybe if we scouted before we could have found a way to avoid the river but as it is i fear it is our best chance as the delians may have a pact with the river god for an hard ford made easy that we will not gain from.

But perhaps a word of warning for teukros?
Or even to Ajax since it's his lil bro in danger and i'm not sure odysseus is his friend?
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>>5761821

Is that you, shapeshifter anon? Give me a meme or a backlink por favor
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>>5761848
Oh shit, lmao.
>>5760608
this be me. Installed a new modem and forgot it changed my IP.
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>>5761810
>>Ignore the actions and plots of your competitors and instead simply run the best race that you can, avoiding the river Inopos by ranging around it, and removing yourself from the main body of competitors. In this way, you will avoid any cunning plots against you, and you will win the race or fail on your own merits. Of course, the extra distance will put you at a disadvantage, but strictly speaking, perhaps a finish in the middle of the pack would be an acceptable outcome.
disregard opponents, acquire victory
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>>5761812
Oh wait, there’s a river. I switch my vote to this
>Ignore the actions and plots of your competitors and instead simply run the best race that you can, avoiding the river Inopos by ranging around it, and removing yourself from the main body of competitors. In this way, you will avoid any cunning plots against you, and you will win the race or fail on your own merits. Of course, the extra distance will put you at a disadvantage, but strictly speaking, perhaps a finish in the middle of the pack would be an acceptable outcome.
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>>5761810
>Ignore the actions and plots of your competitors and instead simply run the best race that you can, avoiding the river Inopos by ranging around it, and removing yourself from the main body of competitors. In this way, you will avoid any cunning plots against you, and you will win the race or fail on your own merits. Of course, the extra distance will put you at a disadvantage, but strictly speaking, perhaps a finish in the middle of the pack would be an acceptable outcome.
HATE RIVERS.
AND THE GODS.
Except Nike, she's been nice so far.
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>>5761892
>>5751804
Me again
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>>5761843
The more i think about it the more it makes sense to at least tell Ajax of Odysseus possible trickery

Dunno if it's considered unsportsmanlike to push or impede the others in that era though, a modern athlete would probably be told to suck it up and deal with it by the judge if kicked in the shin by another.
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>>5761905

Rampant cheating by modern standards is acceptable conduct, up to and including physical violence, so long as people aren’t actually trying to murder each other. Obviously people are unarmed here, which limits the lethality.

This event is described as a foot race but this is definitely a “full contact” sport in the LBA of Greece.
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>>5760675
It is I.
>>5761810
>Let Odysseus and Teukros fare as they may – do your best to win the footrace outright by following Pollux, the natural athlete, as best as you can, by fording the river Inopos. This approach is simplest, most direct and although it carries risks, perhaps the most straightforward approach is superior.

I'll probably be the only guy to choose this, but he who dares, wins. Probably.
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>>5761810
>Ignore the actions and plots of your competitors and instead simply run the best race that you can, avoiding the river Inopos by ranging around it, and removing yourself from the main body of competitors. In this way, you will avoid any cunning plots against you, and you will win the race or fail on your own merits. Of course, the extra distance will put you at a disadvantage, but strictly speaking, perhaps a finish in the middle of the pack would be an acceptable outcome.
Avoid rivers just do a normal race. We aren't going to win here, so arriving in the middle and not behind everyone else is more than sufficient. This means Nikandros can avoid to spend too much his stamina and energy, when he arrives at the end if he needs to surpass someone he can use it.
Everyone will probably ask why but it doesn't matter.
Get traits and cash, forget about Kleos.
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There is one benefit of not fording the river. And that is that fording a river of any significance is rather exhausting to do at speed. If you ain't got the gusto to straight jump it, slogging through it means the faster you move the harder it gets. Fluid dynamics are weird. Though Pollux and Castor are probably on good terms with the river deities as well so they probably won't get hindered as much.
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>>5761810
>Ignore the actions and plots of your competitors and instead simply run the best race that you can, avoiding the river Inopos by ranging around it, and removing yourself from the main body of competitors. In this way, you will avoid any cunning plots against you, and you will win the race or fail on your own merits. Of course, the extra distance will put you at a disadvantage, but strictly speaking, perhaps a finish in the middle of the pack would be an acceptable outcome.
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Rolled 4, 19, 10, 11, 13, 2, 9, 3, 13, 4, 14, 3, 13, 20 = 138 (14d20)

Sigma-mode, engage

>>5761821
>>5761843
>>5761852
>>5761874
>>5761892
>>5761940
>>5761968

Cross the river like Pollux
>>5761936

—-

Given the clear landslide victory for Nikon to forge his own path, I’m cutting the vote early to start rolling.

>players, give me TWO rolls of dice+1d20+-4. I’m applying a significant penalty for Nikon’s detour around Inopos.

>Please see following bonuses, sprinting is a raw AGI + Trait (if applicable) contest:

Menelaus: +3 bonus
Ajax: +1 bonus
Odysseus: +2 bonus
Castor: +4 bonus
Pollux: +7 bonus
Palamedes: +1 bonus
Teukros: +6 bonus

(Will roll for below in next post)
Thasos: +2 bonus
Mykonos: +2 bonus
Menestheus: +2 bonus

>I’m using a degrees of success system here to determine who is behind and by how much. Higher roller is the “pace-setter” and I’ll be determining position from there. If racers manage to get the same result, I’ll represent this as a “collision” and then will be rolling for a round of unarmed combat between the colliders. The losers of this collision will potentially suffer damage (with stat penalties!). Don’t worry if a couple bones get broken - all in a day’s race between friends!
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Rolled 12, 4, 17, 16, 14, 3 = 66 (6d20)

>>5761979

Last set
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Rolled 7 - 4 (1d20 - 4)

>>5761979
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I'm ok with losing the race, as long as we avoid the river.
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Rolled 4 - 4 (1d20 - 4)

>>5761979
Damn, Teukros is fuckin ZOOMIN. I guess his competitive spirit is on fire now. I guess it doesn't matter if I roll with my awful luck here since we weren't gonna win anyway.
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>>5761981
>>5761993

Oh NO
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>>5761994
>get a 0
>nikon decides halfway through to just sit down in the grass instead
kek, come on man, we all knew something like this was gonna happen. A result of 3 is completely expected once we saw the -4. We blew our chances on the archery, lightning wasn't gonna strike twice.
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>>5761993
>>5761997
>Nikon sits in the grass and throws a fit at apollo for being such an unsportmanlike cuck.
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>>5761997
Kek
Its whatever i hope we don't have to wait more time resting for a wound, we have still the problem for our head giving us -1
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>>5761997
>>5762001
>>5762002

No critfails here, but Nikandros is just so slow off the block that he’ll have to hope for other racers to cripple each other or to significantly over-perform in the middle or last parts of the race if he wants to avoid a shameful last place finish…
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>>5761981
>>5761993
That really sucks.
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>>5762009
Ah well we did decent before anyway. A few booooo s but for what we did the rest of the day it doesn't matter. We will be seen has the "Mostly okay thessalian giant"
Let s finish and have Nikandros do something more productive.
We need cash and more traits
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>>5762009
>No critfails here
I would hope so, since no one rolled one. And unless that detour peters off on the second set of rolls, there ain't no way we can win, malus to the other racers or no, with a five point penalty to our roll.

>>5762019
To be fair, Nikon is just as swift as Ajax and Palameekes. So I'm sure everyone expects them to come in last place as a rule.
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>>5762022
Probably yeah. The island people will still be very negative about it, thankfully Nikandros can keep his anger rested for a while.
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>>5762024
>The island people will still be very negative about it
They can eat our ass. I don't see them competing anyway despite all odds. This island is lame anyway. Their mountain is just a big hill, it's most prominent feature is a river, and the royals controlling it are dandy boys. Truly, it is a cursed land.
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>>5761993
Ten years have passed and the war is over troy has fallen and the heroes return rich in spoils and glory they stop at delos.

Suddenly nikandros emerges from the bushes bewildered and haggard.
>nikandros of thessaly! Where have you been all these years!?
>i took the scenic route
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>>5762086
>"Ah, since all but three of the other competitors are dead, and one of them is absent, that must mean I take third place. Glory to Nike."
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>>5762031
>This island is lame anyway. Their mountain is just a big hill, it's most prominent feature is a river, and the royals controlling it are dandy boys. Truly, it is a cursed land.
Literal tartarus

>>5762086
>>5762102
>Hail Nike!
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>>5761981
We can come back from this. If you factor in our curse we are rolling at a -6 modifier while everyone else is rolling at at least a 1+ modifier. Of course, we are going to lose this one.
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>>5762146

Amazing work per usual anon
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>>5762146
We are in dead last place. At least this roll was not in the negatives. What I want to know is if this race was one and done.


Taukros-26
Menelaus-22
Pollux-20
Mykonos-19
Menestheus-16
Palamedes-15
Odysseus-15
Thasos-14
Castor-13
Ajax-12
Nikon-3
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Rolled 3 (1d20)

>>5762149
rolling to see how badly we embarrass ourselves.
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>>5762149

There’s three phases to the footrace (as you’ll see in tonight’s update) so Nikon has a chance to make up some progress
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>>5762149
>>5762153
Thanks. I speed through the upper post.
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>>5762146
>"Where the hell is that giant going?"
>"Perhaps the gods have requested his prescence dohohohoho"
kek, get fucked Odysseus.

>>5762149
>tfw old man menelaus takes off like a bullet soaring past everyone only for teukros to make jet engine noises and sprint past him
>tfw old man menestheus is creeping ahead of odysseus
It turns out, the competition was so heavily front loaded for him that he lost all of his gas. I'm almost starting to feel bad for him. Almost.
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The problem is that people aren't properly praying to Nike before making their rolls. You gotta do the proper ritual first
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>>5762152
Lol

>>5762148
Thenks for the chapter QM
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Rolled 4 (1d20)

Rolling to see if Nike will forgive us.
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Rolled 17 (1d20)

>>5762166
Rolling to beg her forgiveness and to get all the bad rolls out now.
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Rolled 8 (1d20)

>>5762166
When victory itself abandons you, what can a man do to keep you going?

Rolling for Willpower
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Anyone know how to do rituals for the gods in the ancient greek style?
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>>5762180
None that would be legal.
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"Like what we may find in a bakery shop today, Hellenic ovens around the Greek world could give out sweet rolls, sponge cakes, cheese-pies, flatbreads, pastries, twists, and even layered cakes in a variety of shapes and sizes. The cakes could be made from different sorts of wheat or barley flours, combined with additional ingredients particularly cheese, herbs, fruits, and sesame seeds, and filled or decorated with fruits and nuts. Greek sacred cakes were offered to the gods and goddesses, or even to the kings and heroes commemorated and immortalised as city founders, saviours, and ancestors. They comprised a chief category of votive gifts used in both private and public sacred rituals, where they were carried in ceremonial processions by people who were specially selected for this role."

Alright, time to go burn a cake.
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>>5762195
Remember to make it with pomegranates, for Nike. Or Persephone.
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>>5762159
Shouldn't have flauntered off to fuck a groupie in the middle of the match. Lost all his winning juice and has been jobbing since!
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>>5762202
Oops looks like my ID changed when I had to restart my router earlier. For future reference, I am this anon >>5753151
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>>5762202
Truly his one weakness is his dick. His wife should have put it in a cage. Pshaw.
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>>5762199
They're all out of stock at local stores. Shall I just drown the final product in pomegranate juice?
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>>5762215
If you know what you're doing you could take the juice and make a sauce or glaze out of it probably. But in the name of time and effort it's probably better to just spritz that stuff on there.
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Alright, cakes in the oven, it'll be done baking in 50 minutes.
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>>5762234
Hero
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>>5762234

Post the recipe and rate the final product when it's done, anon. I never expected that someone would actually bake a cake for Nike through these threads...
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>>5762234
So if you burn it on accident is it an offering?
Or does it have to be intentional?
Have the gods been burning cakes on purpouse to steal from the mortals?
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>Palamedes rolls a 15
>Odysseus rolls a 15
>Ties result in a ‘collision’
Oh boy
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>>5762285
It's a rivalry for the ages, virgin vs chad.
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>>5762250
Preheat the oven to 350°F and set an oven rack in the middle position. Lightly grease an 8-in x 4-in x 2½-inch loaf pan with butter or nonstick cooking spray. Dust with flour, shaking off any excess. (Alternatively, use a nonstick cooking spray with flour in it, such as Baker’s Joy or Pam Baking Spray with Flour.)

In a medium bowl, whisk together the milk, eggs, and vanilla until just combined.

In the bowl of an electric mixer fitted with the paddle attachment (or with a hand mixer), place the flour, sugar, baking powder, and salt. Mix on low speed for about 30 seconds or until blended. Add the butter and half of the egg mixture. Mix on low speed until the dry ingredients are moistened. Increase the mixer speed to medium (high speed if using a hand mixer) and beat for one minute. Scrape down the sides of the bowl. Add the remaining egg mixture, in 2 separate additions, beating about 30 seconds after each addition to combine. Do not over-mix. (The batter may have a slightly curdled or grainy appearance -- that's okay.)

Scrape the batter into the prepared pan and smooth the top with an offset spatula or the back of a spoon. Bake for 45 to 55 minutes, or until the cake is golden brown and a thin wooden skewer or toothpick inserted into the center of the cake comes out clean.

Place the cake on a wire rack to cool for about 10 minutes. Then remove the cake from the pan and cool completely on a wire rack. Wrap the cooled cake in plastic wrap or store in a large sealable plastic bag.

The wrapped pound cake will keep for several days at room temperature, for one week when refrigerated.

That being said, I've learned something pretty important.

"Sacred cakes in ancient Greece were baked loaves, biscuits, pastries, and sponges sweetened with honey (meli) and prepared as unburnt offerings to the gods and goddesses and other divine beings."

If it's unburnt, what do I do with it? Just leave it outside?
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Actually, I think I know.

"Unburnt offerings were substitutes for or a complement to animal sacrifices whose bones and fat would then be burnt on the altar while their meat would be served in a cultic feast."

It's supposed to act as a substitute for an animal sacrifice, so where one would typically toss the bones and fat into the fire, I shall instead just toss in a slice.
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>>5762292

I'd say light a candle, say a prayer to Nike and then consume - don't let a good cake go to waste!
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>>5762296
Alright, got an old candle that I made a long time ago. I shall then consume the slice, as I can't fit an entire cake inside of my stomach.
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Rolled 9, 11, 2, 15, 7, 14, 5, 13, 19, 11, 16, 12, 13, 15 = 162 (14d20)

As the competitors fall into their crouch starts, the crowd goes silent. Behind you, the gentle waves of Ποντος are lapping up against the shore. You cast one final glance up at Mount Cynthus, before you make your decision – better to avoid Inopos at all cost, even it means a longer course and a significant delay in your speed. After a minute more – Anios simply barks out:

“RUN!

There is immediate pandemonium as everyone leaps off the sand into the air – Teukros, with unbelievable speed, sails up the hillside as if he is being drawn by an invisible chariot – his feet seem to barely make an impression on the earth! You're so busy watching him run that you stumble out of your crouch, nearly falling awkwardly in the sand, to the amusement of the crowd.

Pollux, and to your disbelief, Menelaus, is fast on the Salaminian’s bastard's heels. The King of Sparta’s stocky legs are flashing forwards much faster than you ever thought possible, while Pollux’s running form is gorgeous - smooth and efficient. Behind them, a gaggle of noblemen jostle for position, and surprisingly, you watch as Palamedes, thin and reedy as he is, sweeps at Odysseus’ legs with a vicious lunge – you hadn’t thought the man capable of physical violence, let alone a pre-emptive strike. Odyseus is too slow to react, but simply knocks aside the offending limb with his own kick – each of the men stumble to the side, separated from one another but in roughly equal position. You catch a glimpse at Odysseus as he re-orients - black murder is smeared across his face, his lips drawn back in a feral rictus. Palamedes has wisely already re-oriented himself, fleeing the scene of his attack before he can be strangled.

Ahead of you, Ajax lumbers along, his heavy strides pounding the earth – his head down, he seems to focusing entirely on his breathing, putting the other competitors out of his mind.

You, gods damn you, are dead-last. You simply can’t pick up your feet fast enough, no matter how much energy you burn – over the light ascent to Mount Cynthus, you watch as the main bulk of racers fades into the distance. You lose sight of Teukros before you’re even halfway to the peak – the man alights from step to step, sailing through the air as if he is Hermes Προμαχος. Once you reach the base of Cynthus, you force yourself to continue east, along Inopos’ southernmost river bank – the extra five minutes you spend is terribly costly, putting you far behind the others, but as you leap across the marshy territory where Inopos spreads his fingers, you know you’ve made the right choice – no deity or divine appears to detain you, as you smash through underbrush and small tress in a frantic rush.

>I'm rolling for phase 2 of the race per below:

Menelaus: +3 bonus
Ajax: +1 bonus
Odysseus: +2 bonus
Castor: +4 bonus
Pollux: +7 bonus
Palamedes: +1 bonus
Teukros: +6 bonus
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Rolled 9, 17, 1, 9, 14, 4 = 54 (6d20)

>>5762309

As you re-enter the main path, you’re able to get a clear view of Mount Cynthus above – a cloud of dust rising from the pathway. You hear the faint shouts of the other sprinters, some laughing, others cursing in rage. With no other choice available to you, you begin a heavy jog up the hillside, and at the very peak of Cynthus, you see a dark, agile figure begin sprinting down the hillside – Teukros is already returning!

You redouble your efforts, hoping to make up some of the distance...

>okay, fellas, let's try again - dice+1d20+1 for Nikon to charge up the pathway. There's no penalty for this leg of the sprint given that he has already ranged around Inopos.

>I'm rolling for the last group as follows:

Thasos: +2 bonus
Mykonos: +2 bonus
Menestheus: +2 bonus
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I beg of you anons, don't roll before me, the ritual will be ready in 5 minutes.
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Rolled 9 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5762310
We are so going to lose. Hope for anything but dead last.
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Rolled 13 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5762310
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>>5762311

Oh, shit - let this anon go first!

>double-check my math, errybody

Menelaus: 14
Ajax: 16
Odysseus: 16
Castor: 17
Pollux: 26
Palamedes: 17
Teukros: 21
Thasos: 19
Mykonos: 11
Menestheus: 16
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>>5762316
aaaAAAAAA I WAS TOO LATE
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>>5762311
>>5762315
>>5762316
My bad anon. Can you still let their roll count?
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>>5762316
>>5762315
It looks like we may get to fight Menelaus.
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>>5762309
Pollux is laying on the gas now. And Palamedes inches ahead of Odysseus. And Ajax has kept his breath indeed. A good showing for him. Now Ajax and Odysseus are going to be side by side. Mans is about to get BULLIED. Thasos is running his little heart out as well.

But it's a game between Teukros and Pollux, now.

>>5762316
>menetheus, ajax and odysseus are about to collide
Who will be sandwiched? Is someone about to get knocked out? Oh the suspense is mighty. And poor Palamedes cut his teeth on Odysseus only to bump into Castor? Big oopsie.

Lots of action in this round.

>>5762322
I think it's only fair considering he's actually baking a cake that he gets permitted a roll regardless of the consequence of timing.
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>>5762316
>>5762311
Thanks for the effort!
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>>5762325
Agreed. Maybe make it an omake bonus that some qms give on other quest sites. It could lead to a bonus on our next roll.
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Do I still have a chance?
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>>5762331

Fuck it, I'm giving you a narrative cake bonus, anon.

The rolls for phase 2 are locked in, but Nikon will gain a special opportunity during his descent...
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>>5762311
oops, sorry, anon.
>>5762325
>Who will be sandwiched?
The real way not to be last is to hope that the competitors all beat the shit out of each other. Ajax's damage is probably pretty scary with his strength and chiron training.
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>>5762333
Yes! Omake bonus! Maybe a shot at a short cut!
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Well, here's the cake slice. I drowned it in pomegranate juice as there were no pomegranates at the store. It tasted pretty good with the pomegranate juice, though it would probably taste better without it.
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>>5762337
Man is a legend.
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One more update before midnight, but I have to do some dice-rolling behind the scenes and cook up the update itself.

>>5762337

Based beyond measure, anon.
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>>5762337
Good work anon.
I'm sure Nike is pleased with her cake.
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>>5762359
Don't say Nike and cake in the same sentence, that one anon might hear it and act up. He's got a fever, and the only prescription is more goddess.
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>>5762316
Shouldn't Mykonos get fucked by the 1?
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>>5762473

Crits aren't in effect unless a mortal is contesting one of the divines in a social encounter and maybe in combat too, although may Zeus forbid that a mortal take up arms against one of the divines
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Rolled 7 + 3 (1d20 + 3)

You manage to pick up your plodding pace, now that you’re clear of the underbrush – the burning in your limbs is fading, being replaced by pure adrenaline. You haven’t lost too much ground against the main bunch of racers – you’re not out of the race just yet!

High above you, you see Teukros speeding downhill at phenomenal speed, his silvered-feet catching miniscule crevices and the rims of exposed boulders to marginally restrain his speed. Behind him, a blonde shadow – Pollux, copying his descent practically stride for stride. Teukros has the advantage in pure agility, you think, but he’s not a trained athlete like Pollux - the Dioscuri’s superior discipline in the physical arts is allowing him to draw out every last ounce of power from his enhanced flesh.

As they speed down the narrow pathway, they dodge the oncoming racers with effort, weaving and dodging – and in the confusion, Menestheus rockets sideways, delivering a vicious hip-check to Odysseus, who flails widely but is just able to regain his balance. Teukros and Pollux flash past you, as you labor up the hill - and the main group of racers summits. Ajax, a good distance ahead of you, hits the peak just behind Odysseus and Menestheus, and before the son of Telamon can react, Odysseus is cutting at his ankles with a vicious sweep, the technique stolen from Palamedes from earlier in the face. Ajax makes no attempt to block the strike, simply smashing through the attack with an iron shin – Odysseus spinning out of the way, otherwise no worse for wear.

As Palamedes begins his descent, you’re surprised once again as he leaps into an aggressive slide, doing his best topple Castor as the lesser Dioscuri surmounts the last part of the ascent – Castor narrowly dancing over his attack, Palamedes regaining his footing to carry on. Who knew the son of Nauplius was such a fierce competitor? he races with no sense of inhibition despite his slight frame.

And then you see Menelaus, huffing and puffing down the hill amongst the crowd of returning competitors, his weathered face ruddy with the effort of keeping up with younger men. His incredible speed has subsided, but he is a man of solid build, careening your way and he is meeting your eye, glaring at you fearsomely - he is clearly meaning to smash you aside!

>okay, anons, give me a dice+1d20+1 for Nikon’s initiative! You're rolling against Menelaus here, obviously.
>to be frank, I'm shocked this has been a bloodless enterprise so far, a lot of blocked tackles...
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Rolled 19 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5762491
bitch I will kill us both
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>>5762500
>Dubs
>20
Fantastikos!
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Rolled 2, 12, 2, 16, 12, 4 = 48 (6d20)

>>5762500

Well fucking done, anon - Nikon is en FUEGO

Anons, give me THREE rolls of dice+2d20. Nikon's to-hit bonus is +1 and his wound bonus is a mighty +6. Please note that Nikon/Menelaus are unarmed and not really trying to kill each other, and thus a successful attack on Nikon's part will penalize Menelaus' future racing rolls rather than deal damage outright.

I'm rolling for Menelaus (+3/+2 for dodge/block bonii; first 3 die = dodge, 2nd 3 die = block)
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Rolled 19, 15 = 34 (2d20)

>>5762508
NIKON SMASH!
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Rolled 15, 1 = 16 (2d20)

>>5762508
NIKE SEE MY DICE
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>>5762510
I take it back, I should've offered another cake.
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Rolled 18, 7 = 25 (2d20)

>>5762508
nikon pawnch
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>>5762509
>>5762510
>>5762512

>Nikon rolls a 20, 21 against Menelaus' 15,18
>That's a fucking hit, boyos

Okay, now I need ONE roll of dice+1d3+6 to determine how many "turns" of stun is laid on Menelaus. each 3 points = 1 turn. So basically, is Menelaus laid out for two turns next round or three?
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Rolled 3 + 6 (1d3 + 6)

>>5762518
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Rolled 2 + 6 (1d3 + 6)

>>5762518
lmao get wrecked
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>>5762520
It is our turn to give out the conucssions
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>>5762520
THIS TIME, NIKE SEES MY EFFORTS. I mean, it's a 33% chance anyway.
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>menelaus coming in hot and heavy
>forgets nikon is a fucking mountain of meat and gets shoulder checked into next week
Big oof there kingy. Hope you don't take it personally.
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>>5762520

Nikon is an absolute savage - Menelaus takes a pretty big L here and the full 3 turns of stun is applied. It's entirely possible that Nikon has just guaranteed that he won't finish in shameful last place here. Fun for Nikon to be putting the hurt on a King instead of the other way around.

>>5762529

Menelaus is a big, chill burly man and likes other big burly men, nothing weird about that - Nikon won't take a social hit here.

Okay all, that's it for tonight - fun times were had and a TWQ player actually baked a cake for a minor Greek goddess - my heart is truly touched.

I'll try to put out another two updates tomorrow.
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>>5762532
Thank goodness Menelaus is a (mostly) levelheaded king. Unlike his brother. And whoever was laughing at Nikon for being a slow starter is probably really hoping he doesn't remember their faces after seeing a hit like that.

I can only imagine how much pain someone with less CON than the big old man would be in. Palamedes would probably have to stop racing entirely and go have a sit down after taking a hit like that.

Hitting a king that hard with no repercussions may have been worth the humiliation prior. Maybe.
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>>5762520
>POV stepping in the path of Nikon in movement
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Rolled 5, 3, 7, 8, 17, 15, 17, 5, 4, 6, 20, 17, 7, 7 = 138 (14d20)

Menelaus hurtles down towards you – the other racers surrounding him parting around you like river water around a stone – at the very last second, Menelaus’ eyes widen as he realizes his error; his speed downhill serves YOU, not him, given your greater weight and strength. You take a half-step to the right as you continue to chug up the dirt pathway, and at the same time, sweep your outstretched left arm, locked straight, directly into Menelaus’ upper chest, where his neck meets his breastbone. Your blow knocks him clear off his feet, flipping him into the air!

You don’t stop running, but when you turn back to look, you note that the King of Sparta is on his hands and knees, scrabbling to slow his slide down the face of Mount Cynthus – he is obviously disoriented, and you know in your bones that he will not be able to run at his full potential having sustained such a significant blow.

>Nikandros applies a one phase -15 sprinting debuff to Menelaus – he is now racing at a -12 modifier.

Cresting over onto Cynthus’ hilltop, you see the gorgeous view of the isle, Rineia to the west and Carias, a mostly-uninhabited island of much greater size, to the northeast. Here on the peak of Cynthia, you see a small but elaborate altar to Apollo, surrounded by offerings, candles and flowers, and another one of more severe impression that is obviously dedicated to Zeus himself. You quickly sprint to Apollo’s altar, kneel in supplication (as the rules of the footrace dictate), and then return to your feet, sprinting down the pathway.

You’re still last in the race, unfortunately, but below you, you can see Menelaus has collected himself and is hobbling downhill – if you keep up your speed, you may well pass him! You can only hope that the other racers batter each another, as you have done to Menelaus – perhaps you will be able to claw your way into second or third-to-last if this occurs.

In the distance, almost at the foot of Cynthus, you see a gaggle of racers – Ajax, Castor, Thasos, and Mykonos. Just ahead of them in another clump, beginning to sprint over the meadows back to the shore, you see Menestheus, Odysseus and Palamedes. Of Pollux and Teukros, you see no sign – no doubt they are leaping like deer through the fields of Delos, leaving all of you behind.

Pumping your arms, you use your greater mass to your advantage, letting yourself fall down the hill in a barely-controlled descent. Suddenly, a whiff of pomegranite in your nose – you raise your eyes in excitement, but see nothing! But the glance upwards causes you to spot a deadened oak tree, denuded of branches, sitting on the northern-most banks of Inopos. To any of the other racers – a meaningless detail, but to a man of your strength and size – it is a bridge!

>okay, players – Nikandros has spotted a way across the rushing river of Inopos, and therefore the -5 debuff is no longer in effect. Give me another two rolls of dice+1d20+1!
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Rolled 11, 4, 20, 3, 17, 5 = 60 (6d20)

And for the last bunch
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Rolled 7 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5762822
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Rolled 95 + 1 (1d120 + 1)

>>5762822
ah fuck ah shit
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Nice I fucked my roll
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Rolled 14 (1d20)

>>5762822
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>>5762832
>>5762847

Thanks for rolling but I’m rejecting these as incorrect.

Try again with “dice+1d20+1” in the options field please!
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>>5762863
no its bad luck in my experience to do so
will try again next roll
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Rolled 8 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5762863
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Rolled 6 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5762863
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>>5762825
>>5762870

>Nikon rolls a 9

Just not his day today, is it? Update later today!
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>>5762870
>>5762879
>9

Fuvk, hope she don't get mad
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Oh shit! We are about to fight Ajax!
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>>5762825
>>5762825
>>5762832
>>5762847
>>5762870
Waking up to this really puts a damper on your whole day.
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>>5762932
I'm only worried for Teukros. He's about to get dragged into the rage cage with Pollux. I really want the boy to win. Thankfully with their massive lead it should come down to which of those two win even though they both slowed down just now. I just hope Teukie dodges. Come on.

>>5762924
>fight
My brother we're about to get slapped.
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>>5762975
I only hope that once Ajax sends Nikandros flying, he lands on Menelaus.
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>>5762976
I just hope he aims for our legs or hips instead of our upper torso or head. Pls no more concuss
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>>5762978
>New malus gained: Limping
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>>5763000
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Of all the people to antagonize i think Odysseus may be the pettiest, i can easily imagine him building the troyan horse too small just so nikandros doesn't fit inside.
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>>5763009
>Nikon is atop the horse
>Trojanfags ask what he's doing
>"I'm the horse's handler. I come with the package deal; Odysseus, the creator of this equine, is severely autistic and ugly and demanded that I do this."
>They buy it and drag in the horse
>Odysseus seethes in silence
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Why do none of you supplicate yourselves to Nike before your rolls. Surely this is why the rolls are ass.
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Rolled 13 (1d20)

>>5763033
A cake wasn't enough, clearly we must compete and the winner be made to make the next roll.
This is the way, i'll roll first.
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>>5763100
The cake wasn't enough because the the baker wasn't able to roll.
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Rolled 1 (1d20)

Hey, I apologized for that. My internet lagged and I did not see the post asking to wait until after I rolled.

Rolling for Nike's blessing.
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>>5763107
Makes sense. She does not tolerate losing.
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>>5762822
>But the glance upwards causes you to spot a deadened oak tree, denuded of branches, sitting on the northern-most banks of Inopos. To any of the other racers – a meaningless detail, but to a man of your strength and size – it is a bridge!
No no no Nikandros wtf are you doing is still a fucking fast murderous river. I can only think about Iudas end whenever a river is mentioned. Nike fucking fragrance is driving our boy insane.
He needs a reality check, all this gain the favour of a deity talk has gone through his head. He needs to become better before that with his own strength.

>>5762978
I have the sensation Nikandros will become very familiar with being placed in an infirmary. Hopefully the island oikos has a skilled medic.
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>>5763109
Well Apollo's son was such a good doctor he literally cured death. There are bound to be some decent medicine men around.
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Rolled 7 (1d20)

>>5763107
See, this is how you get Nike's blessing, through proper sacrificial rituals.
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>>5763133
NIKE HAS FORSAKEN ME
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>>5763134
She wants her pomegranates, man!
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>>5763137
Shit, I forgot to douse it in pomegranate juice. But this means I have to eat another cake.... I'll try again in a couple hours
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You slalom off the path as you reach the base of Mount Cynthus, cutting west across the grassy meadow between yourself and the dead oak tree. A successful fording here will save you considerable time, but you must hurry! You spare a glance left at Menelaus, whose hobbling is steadily improving – in perhaps a few minutes, he’ll be capable of jogging, but the pace of his recovery is very slow. You’re almost certain to beat him to the beach if you’re able to keep your head high and feet pounding the earth!

In the far distance, you catch a glimpse of a stocky, dark-haired figure tackling a thinner one with white hair – your best guess would be that Odysseus has toppled Menestheus, causing him to roll and tumble through the dirt, causing a plume of dust to spring into the air – the King of Athens spins into a patch of grass next to the dirt path leading to the sea. The dust cloud clears just as Mykonos and Thasos sprint by, and you watch as one of the Delian princes goes out of his way to deliver a vicious punt to Menestheus’ side before he can fully stand, causing him to writhe in agony in the grass once more. To your eye, it’s a cheap shot and an unnecessary one, given that the Delians were clear to overtake the older man regardless – clearly, there’s history between them that you’re unaware of.

You crash against the deadened oak, and straining against the trunk, rip out of the roots below you – the oak gives way almost immediately to your bulging muscle. The oak itself is perhaps ten strides long and the river itself only six or so – once you’ve braced the tree, you carefully step across the broad oak, scanning the water for any divinity hoping to drown a Thessalian. As you look further upriver, you do see something – perhaps three stadia away, you catch a glimpse of a figure of massive proportions, holding something large and rounded. You’re immediately certain it is Inopos, and he appears to be conversing with a young woman, whose calves are planted firmly in the rushing water. Your luck is unbelievable - that you’ve managed to cross Inopos’ domain at the exact moment that he is distracted by a mortal woman, but you don’t question it as you plant your feet back on the southernwestern bank.

Regaining the pathway, you watch Castor take a lunge at Palamedes, who manages to stumble away, before putting on a huge burst of speed – he surprises you again with his hidden reserve of energy. You spare a glance behind you, locating a wincing Menelaus, but you spot a much bigger problem -

Ajax – Prince of Salamis – is gaining on you, thundering along with a predatory grin. He yells out to you as he throws up a pillar-like arm in your direction –

“I will not lose to you, Thessalian! Yield the path or suffer!”

>oh fuck, Ajax has a target-lock on Nikandros
>I need a dice+1d20+1 for initiative.
>Nikon can avoid a last place finish if he manages to survive rough contact with a Chiron-trained giant.
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Rolled 4 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5763189
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Rolled 17 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5762932
We might be back.
>>5763189
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>>5763201
>>5763204
Dang.
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>>5763206
I feel nothing but shame
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>>5763201
>>5763204

Looks like TWQ dice are back people.

I need THREE rolls of dice+2d20 for Nikon's dodge/block. His dodge bonus is +1, and his block bonus is +2.

I'm rolling for Ajax - first three dice are for his to-hit - which has a +5 bonus, and his wound, which has a +9 bonus.
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Rolled 14, 9, 7, 2, 19, 5 = 56 (6d20)

>>5763209

Oops, forgot Ajax's rolls
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Rolled 13, 7 = 20 (2d20)

>>5763209
Fuck. Dodge. We must dodge.
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Rolled 13, 18 = 31 (2d20)

>>5763209
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>>5763212
>>5763213
>>5763214
Unless I'm retarded, I think we're good.
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>>5763216
Our first die is the dodge, our second die is the block. We need to roll at least an 18 to dodge, and at least a 26 to block which is only slightly impossible when rolling a d20 before modifiers.

We are very much not good.
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>>5763219
Oh, I see. I was reading the dice wrong. I was looking at them like hit, wound, hit, wound.
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>>5763221
If only. Sadly the first three for Ajax were hit, the second three for wound. I assume it's because this isn't really an "attack" so much as contested checks. Otherwise it would be alternating like it is in fights. Or rather they wouldn't have been rolled in a block of 6d20 in the first place and have been 2d20s over multiple posts instead.
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Why must rolls be consistently terrible
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>>5763240
Just how it is. Doesn't help we only get Bo3 but thems the rules.
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>>5763240
Roll again. Let's see what happens.
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>>5763241
I just realised this is one of the few instances where we get three rolls GG.
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>>5763240
It's the full Trojan War Quest experience
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Rolled 20, 12 = 32 (2d20)

>>5763209
I don't see our third roll so here goes
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So is someone else gonna make a roll?
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>>5763248
I love you, anon.
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>>5763248

NIKON DODGES
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>>5763248
Did you just save our bacon?
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>>5763252
Heh it wasn't as crucial as when i saved Nira but a win's a win

Praise Nike, fuck rivers
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This is going to be the loudest sound of flesh on flesh on this island as the two biggest of boys collide.

>>5763252
Do we get a counter or does the one who wins initiative get to try and then it's an immediate disengage?
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>>5763248
Seeing as Nike was the one to point out that tree, I hope she notices Nikons ultimate dodge with that 20
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>>5763259

I've been treating these collisions like one round of unarmed combat, and afterwards, the racers separate. It seemed strange to me to have the colliders conduct multiple rounds of combats when they're supposed to be sprinting at different speeds.

>>5763273

Nikon is certainly taking advantage of every lifeline that he is being thrown - maybe he CAN actually go the distance...
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>>5763248
Praise Nike, we did it!
Or maybe Tyche just wants to by give us hope before crushing it
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>Nikon rolls a 21, 20 vs Ajax’s 19, 26
>successful dodge! Incredible.

Frankly speaking, you are terrified - Ajax is drawing closer and you’ve never been confronted in a situation like this – being pursued under threat of violence by one of the only men in Hellas who you can say honestly is your superior in size, combat skills and peerage.

As he approaches, you keep your head turned in his direction, as you both engage in a series of feints – you desperately hoping to dodge a bone-shattering blow, Ajax hoping to catch you by surprise. Finally, after several seconds of juking, he accelerates into position behind you and on your left, preparing to smash a heavy first into your face. By pure happenstance – his sandal catches the edge of a stone embedded in the pathway as he raises his right arm, and he hesitates for the smallest fraction of a second as a result. It’s just barely enough time to pull your face out of the way, and you feel the breeze of his passing blow as you lurch to the right. Ajax curses in frustration, but doesn’t slow down as he charges past you. You want to sing out in joy, but instead watch the Salaminian giant as he slowly pulls ahead. Your nerves are still shrieking - the blow would have smashed your jaw into dust.

Behind you, Menelaus has picked up some speed – but he’s clearly resigned himself to last place, moving at a light jog rather than sprinting at full speed.

The remaining minutes of the contest are comparatively leisurely to the excitement prior – you’ve never been so happy to lose a race in your life. Stumbling onto the beach, a minute or two after Ajax makes his appearance, you’re thrilled to see that the audience is throwing laurel twigs at Teukros – he’s clearly won! His dark face is beaming, and you immediately move towards him to congratulate him yourself. He’s pleased to see you, saying only:

“Better late than last, Nikandros – well done!” Ajax is catching his breath, but nods politely in your direction - the competition being over, he has immediately has released any sense of antagonism towards you - a true athlete.

You hear a surge of jeers and catcalls from the audience, and turn to find Menelaus stepping gingerly onto the sand. You approach him as well, meaning to apologize for your assault on his person, but before you can speak, he states between wheezes and hacking coughs:

“Don’t bother apologizing, you rural brute – I brought you on this voyage to smash men to pieces.” There’s no real heat in his voice as he speaks – more the irritation of an older man. He waves you away and begins hollering for a bowl of wine. White-robed Delian servants spring out of the crowd , and Menelaus seems to have forgotten you the moment that the fine Delian vintage touches his lips.

>cont
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>>5763274
Makes sense. Otherwise Palamedes would probably be dead and Odysseus would be unconscious.

>>5763283
Tyche going full tsundere VS Nike being mad about her collector's edition nikon figurine being touched

who wins that catfight?
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Anios conducts the pinning ceremony briefly – a golden wing pin for Teukros, a silver one for Pollux, and prim Palamedes receives the brazen one. For a man of ostensibly few physical gifts, he has tremendously outperformed expectations. Pollux plays to the crowd, and even Teukros is learning how to do so as well, after multiple victories – Palamedes stands somewhat awkwardly, waiting for the crowd to disperse.

Anios is swift to call for all present to return to his tents upon the Delian hillside, so that refreshments, wine and lunch may be served.

"Tonight -" he calls out sonorously "- we shall hear music from these Kings and noblemen! Let their voices please Apollo Μουσηγετης as Helios descends into the western sea!" You're only too eager to follow King Anios' command and put this beach behind you - your feet are leaden, but the promise of a soft bed and rest in your tent is sweet enough to lead you on without delay.

>This may not feel like a victory, but Nikandros has successfully avoided the dreaded “last place” Kleos penalties through every step of the Lesser Delia, and nearly won at archery, besides.

>Let’s hope that Nikandros can distinguish himself through song tonight!

>next update tomorrow, good jobs anons!
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>>5763287
>who wins that catfight?
No one, the Nikon figurine gets thrown into a river in the struggle.
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>>5763285
>you rural brute
>[laughs in having more int than everyone on the trip minus odysseus and palamedes]

>>5763289
I can hear the doom music beginning to play at such an occurrence already. And not for Nikon, but his sister stomping angrily towards the vile water for trying to take her brother.
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>>5763288
I want to find out who was distracting Inopos, and why, to find out if was really a lucky coincidence or Nike giving us even more help other then the tree hint.
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I am somewhat surprised that the wound bonus for Ajax was only +9. If you had told me the guy had max strength I would believe you.
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>>5763294
It was probably Nike. And she was probably saying "Look my action figure is trying REALLY hard right now and he's already getting fucked could you just not try to flatten him?".

But if it wasn't, Inopos was about to get laid. Good for him.
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>>5763189
>Inopos was distracted
Extreme luck

>>5763288
Ah shit the karaoke demigod contest
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>>5763304
You'd think, huh?
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>>5763292
Dunno man, I feel like Ajax actually has a high STR/INT build similar to us only more divine. And Menestheus certainly has "strategic genius" and plays a mean petteia as well.
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Double dose of zeusposting today
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>>5763466
Nah man, Ajax is for sure a STR/CON boy. Not to say he doesn't have decent INT, but I'm sure Nikon's is higher. And Menestheus isn't part of our expedition (unless I am misremembering who went to entreat with the Trojans before the war), he's just on the same island by happenstance, for the Lesser Delia. Amongst the delegation heading to Troy, Nikon is for sure #3 biggest brain. Which I'm a bit surprised Agamemnon didn't tell Menelaus about. Then again, he doesn't think all too much of his little brother, because his pride is the biggest thing on this planet. He thinks even less of everyone else. Fuck Agamemnon.

Also I think Ajax is one step more removed from divinity than us. I think in quest continuity our grandfather (or grandmother, I dunno) is divine. But Ajax is the great-grandson of Zeus. Whereas Achilles is one step closer, being a genuine demigod. That one you'd have to ask Lesches about since I'm sure he kept track of it better than me.

But once the war starts, yeah we're probably going to be reduced from top three big brain to top five big brain. Menestheus is a general of repute and Nestor is surprisingly astute. Though whether that's from raw stats or the fact that he's as old as the dirt on the seafloor giving him the biggest bed of experience to draw from out of everyone involved I don't know. Nestor is also a bit of a coot, though.

>>5763494
>>5763496
Based Zeusposting kek
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>>5763496
The last panel made me think of this
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>>5763494
>>5763496

Extremely based per usual anon.

>>5763512

Basically I agree with all of this.
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Update out within 45 min, sorry for the long delay - got brutalized at work today
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>>5763969
I blame Poseidon cleverly disguising himself as workload.
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>>5763971
Poseidon know how to write?
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>>5763969
Did you survive?
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>>5763982
He writes to us from Hades
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You are being shaken awake by a small hand on your shoulder – annoying and persistent. Awareness comes to you slowly, as you are forcibly lifted out of the darkness of your slumber. Afternoon sunlight floods into your tent, and you blearily squint at your surroundings as you re-orient yourself – not home in Thessaly, not in Agamemnon’s palace, not crammed into your tiny bunk at sea… Ah, yes – that’s right, Delos!

The two Apollonian disciplines, smiling young men, have reappeared to keep you on schedule, bearing a platter of food and multiple jugs of sacred salves, oils, and lotions. You grunt roughly as they insist you rise, and you stretch as you do so – between your divinely-infused blood and the recuperative powers of an extra-long daytime nap, you feel fresh and ready for tonight’s competition – the contest of song!

The disciples mobilize, pulling you outside where they have prepared a heated bath for you – a rare luxury. The day’s dried sweat and dust, coating your legs and feet, is washed away as you soak, and the disciples apply a series of cleansing oils to your body, hair and beard. Frankly speaking, you never sought out such amenities in the past, finding them frivolous, but you resist the urge to shove your attendants aside – you need to be looking your best for your performance tonight. You test out various melodies that you’ve been working on throughout the day, humming them, as well as speaking aloud the lyrics that you’ve created for this same purpose. You’re certainly not a trained vocalist, and have had little exposure to the performing arts – in short, you know you’re walking into an ambush, but have little choice otherwise.

Turning your mind towards the other competitors – Odysseus is sure to be the one to beat, given his performance during the poetry contest. Pollux showed a surprising affinity for poetry and the lyre, and you presume that these skills will translate well to song. Finally, Thasos, prince of Delos, represented his father well through his presentation. This aside, Odysseus is now in the uncomfortable position of needing to win the contest of music outright, or risk losing the Lesser Delia to a bastard son of Telamon, a man with no real station among the Hellenic nobility. You remember Odysseus’ murderous rage when Palamedes attempted to trip him during the footrace – that same black anger will no doubt by directed at Teukros if Odysseus loses outright. If Odysseus comes in second place, there will be a tie between himself and Teukros – and presumably a new contest must occur for the tiebreak… You tally the standings as follows:

Teukros – two gold pins (archery, footrace), one silver pin (dance)
Odysseus – two gold pins (dance, poetry)
Pollux – one silver pin (footrace), two bronze pins (dance, poetry)
Thasos – one silver pin (poetry)
Mykonos – one silver pin (archery)
Palamedes – one bronze pin (footrace)
Castor – one bronze pin (archery)

>cont
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You’re proud of your new Salaminian friend – the darkling half-Trojan has been chronically overlooked during his life, despite being the issue of Telamon himself – even you are guilty of conflating peerage with ability! Ajax, Prince of Salamis, has failed to place in any of the contests, while his bastard brother sits atop the pile. You resolve to correct your mistake in the future - you will view Teukros as the man of achievement that he is, not as the bastard he was born.

The Apollonian disciplines, having fed you, bathed you, ritually cleansed you with oils and smoking herbs (the wisdom of this last before a contest of song escapes you, as you accidentally inhale the sacred vapors, setting off a coughing fit and making your throat slightly raw) now recommend that you enter King Anios’ test in the near future – with sunset fast approaching, they explain that the contest of song will come before the Lesser Delia, the day concluding with a final elaborate feast.

Now dressed in fine robes yourself, you enter King Anios’ tent, and find your fellow competitors bunched together at one end - above all of you, the rippling sails stained orange by sunset. You see that two separate choruses of young men are present – nine white-robed youths of various sizes and builds in each set, who will accompany each contestant as they play, lending their voices to the performance. You, of course, are horrified by this – never in your life have you led a chorus. A lyre is thrust into your hands and before you have a chance to converse with the other competitors, you are instructed to prepare for a brief rehearsal with one of the chorus teams – the two groups of singers will rapidly alternate between all thirteen competitors before the competition begins. You’re initially confused to learn that thirteen competitors are present, before you notice that sullen Andros has been convinced to leave his tent - you see all three of the Delian princes are deep in discussions, tinkering with their own melodies.

The next half-hour is a blur, as you do your best to polish your tune – you are given only five minutes to teach your chorus team your melody, but they are clearly practiced musicians, memorizing it without difficulty, offering no feedback or critiques.

In the meanwhile, the audience has begun to arrive and be seated amongst the long benches, men and women in robes of fine quality, bedecked with jewels and precious metals of all kinds – you had previously suspected that these visitors were wealthy, but now the evidence is overwhelming! Collectively, there’s more Timae in this tent than you’ve ever seen in one place!

>cont
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We should sing of the only thing we know, war, battle, drawn lines and dying men. The glories and dangers. Or how much we hate rivers.
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Rolled 10, 7, 19, 19, 11, 15, 4, 2, 8, 8, 10, 7, 1, 3 = 124 (14d20)

Anios gracefully slips through the tent entryway, wearing robes of deep scarlet, embroidered with gold thread – he looks every bit the son of a god as he glides to meet the competitors once more – he is followed by teams of servants who have cleverly disassembled the wooden stage from this morning’s poetry contest and are now just as quickly reassembling it once more. Once the stage is complete, Anios leaps atop it gracefully and

"Friends, competitors - we come now to the most glorious end of the Delia, the celebration of Apollo Δηλιος, my father." He inclines his head in recognition of all of you - and you take the moment to steal glances across the room. Teukros looks solemn, Menelaus bored. The Delian princes, similar in appearance, are a palette of expressions - Andros, looking anxious, Thasos, pleased and smug, and finally, Mykonos, looking calm. Palamedes is clearly irritated about something - of the bunch, only Pollux, Castor and Odysseus look to be enjoying themselves, whispering jokes to one another as King Anios speaks.

After so many benedictions and prayers to Apollo in one day, Anios' voice loses distinction, blurring into a monotone - you can't force yourself to listen as he continues with another long-winded hymn. Instead of paying him your attention, you cast a glance out of the crowd and see that many of the nobility are staring at Teukros in equal parts fascination, anger, and interest - no doubt his excellent performance so far is offputting to the Hellenic nobility as a whole.

"And so let us applaud our competitors, who have offered up blood, sweat and sacrifice to most-high Apollo on the day of his birth!" The audience cheers politely once more, before Anios summons Teukros to the wooden stage. Clearly, the contestants will compete in the approximate order of their standing.

Teukros, to his credit, manages an easy grin as he ascends the stage flanked by his chorus - once the crowd has quieted down, Teukros begins to sing in a clear tenor, strumming his lyre...

>See bonuses below - singing is a contest of pure CHA + relevant traits!

Menelaus: +5 bonus
Ajax: +1 bonus
Odysseus: +10 bonus
Castor: +4 bonus
Pollux: +4 bonus
Palamedes: +0 bonus
Teukros: +3 bonus

>cont
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Rolled 16, 13, 8, 11, 18, 7, 12, 10, 1, 14, 1 = 111 (11d20)

here's the second half

Thasos: +2 bonus (extra roll)
Andros: +4 bonus (extra roll)
Mykonos: +1 bonus (extra roll)
Menestheus: +5 bonus
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>>5764001
>>5764002

Let's tally up before Nikon goes ahead to sing...anons, check my math!

Menelaus: 15
Ajax: 20 (surprising!)
Odysseus: 25
Castor: 8
Pollux: 12
Palamedes: 10
Teukros: 6 (ouch, he choked hard)
Thasos: 18
Andros: 22
Mykonos: 13
Menestheus: 19
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The Dam

Behold my son, my father said,
the strength of Hellenic stone.
When I pass, it will endure
As the kingdom and the throne.
Stone on stone with Hellenic hands
A wall for order to hold
Where beat hearts of loyalty
The dam shall remain

And when the halls are filled with treasure
And when we strive for one endeavor
And when the stone of white
Crowns the wall with light
Then shall the dam stand forever
Forever

Come, said he, I show you well
The craft of ages past
Iron bones and stone flesh
Will make the dam last
But the heart of adamant
Is needed for the fight
Stilt of oak and heavy stroke
Shall be the water’s plight

And when you live to see the treasure
And when we strive for one endeavor
And when the crown of gold
Finds the spirit bold
Then shall the dam stand forever
Forever

Dreaded day of reckoning
has called us on this day
Evil magic beckoning
A force from dark decay
Barbaroi of the darkest realm
Our kingdom to dismay
Draw your axes, venture forth
Bring valor to the fray

And when they come to take our treasure
Then shall we strive with one endeavor
And when the stones flow red
With their wicked dead
Then shall the dam stand forever
Forever

Then let our hearts be filled with treasure
And let us strive with one endeavor
And let us wash the stone
And restore the dam
Then shall the kingdom stand forever
Forever

Fallen father, know thee well,
Your memory remains
Peace fulfilled from blood then spilled
And now your son who reigns
Standing now in readiness
For the hammer’s falling
Building now in steadiness
The kingdom now is calling

And when our name becomes a treasure
And we have lived for one endeavor
And when the stones grow cold
With our dead of old
Still shall our dam stand forever
Forever
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>>5764011
Based.
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>>5764011
Nice
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>>5764004
Shouldn't Castor have a 12 as well?
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Teukros' initial few verses about the joys of his childhood seem to go well, but as his lyrics progress into his time as a man in the house of Telamon, he seems to freeze up - perhaps he has realized that he has chosen a poor choice of subject matter when singing to wealthy Hellenic nobles. His voice seems to develop a quaver, and his speed seems to increase without his notice - he speeds through the remainder of his song at a rapid clip, as his chorus struggles to keep pace.

You are pained by his poor performance, but there's nothing you can do to help. Of all the fellow competitors, Odysseus looks the most gleeful, hardly even bothering to hide his grin. He keeps making eyes at a woman in the crowd, and you follow his gaze - to the same blue-robed woman with gray eyes you had seen previously in the day, sitting amongst the second set of benches. Her cheekbones are high, her lips full, her flowing hair lush - she is stunningly beautiful, truthfully. In fact - she is suspiciously beautiful - perhaps a goddess in disguise? Teukros' musical collapse takes on new meaning for you - perhaps his will was softened by Odysseus' divine patron?

Odysseus prances onto the stage, Teukros having scurried out of view, and immediately launches into a hilarious and bawdy tune about Achilles' crossdressing on Skyros - he has the chorus dance about in feminine fashion, while he himself pretends to be a blundering moron in search of the prince - YOU! The act is so funny, you can't help but laugh at the ridiculous caricature of yourself. The audience is quick to locate you amongst the competitors, but you take their jeers good-naturedly - all present have no doubt heard about the petteia tournament, and Odysseus' tune is harmless fun. Odysseus rounds out the song by implying that Lycomedes had hoped to pawn off Achilles to you via marriage, and your fortuitous discovery coming only after your "marriage night". The audience raves as Odysseus concludes, showering him with praise - he soaks in their attention, glowing.

As competitors come and go on stage, the greatest surprise comes from Ajax - he delivers a moving, sorrowful paean to the men who died under his command defeating the Heraclidae's assault on Corinth - honest Hellenes all who died for the security of the Hellenic people. His chorus provides a simple, wordless chant - a faint echo of the warsongs that are sung in battle, as Ajax's baritone ranges above this. Many in the crowd are moved to tears as he sings of his deceased compatriots, men who now stumble as shades through the darkness of the underworld - when he stands, he is met with thoughtful and considered silence from the crowd - far superior praise than simple cheering, in your mind.

Finally, you are called forth to make your performance, and you're glad - your own song is similar in tone to Ajax's, and you hope that they will pair well...
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>>5764028

Uh, don't think so but someone tell me if I'm crazy.

Menelaus: 10, 7 + 5= 15
Ajax: 19, 19 + 1 = 20
Odysseus: 11, 15 + 5 = 25
Castor: 4, 2 + 4 = 8
Pollux: 8, 8 + 4 =12

>>5764011

This is insanely based so I'm providing Nikon with a significant +4 roll bonus. It will be possible for Nikon to take 2nd or 3rd place here, if he rolls very well.

>Okay, players - give me TWO rolls of dice+1d20+4. Nikon currently has an effective CHA of 10 (normally 11 base but still has a fading concussion, so 11 - 1 = 10)
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Rolled 20 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5764033
come on do the singy thing
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>>5764034
WE'RE W I N N I N G NIKEBROS
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>>5764034

you gotta be fucking kidding me anon
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>>5764035
WE ARE SO BACK!
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Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>5764033
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>>5764037
IT WAS NEVER OVER
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>>5764039
TRUE!
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Does Nike notice us once more?
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>>5764034
Holy shit
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>Be a mountain of muscle from the rural side, barely considered royalty.
>Stand out not for your prodigious strength and sharp mind, but for giving good advice to your superiors, spreading kindness to your equals and extending a helping hand to your inferiors.

Nikon heart is too big holy shit
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>>5764011
Based as Hades himself.

>>5764034
YO, did we just take the fucking silver? You fucking madman WOO
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>>5764051
We had to do it, for our boy Teukros. He was being bullied by Athena.
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>>5764057
At least we now know was talking to Inopos.
Athena's cheating somehow helped us.
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>>5764060
Unless that was another one, and I'm confusing the divine meddling.
There's a lot of them here.
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>>5764064
It could have been Nike. She appears without wings sometimes. If we could have seen her footwear it would have been more obvious. She has some fancy fucking sandals that's for sure. Unfortunately her calves and lower were obscured by accursed river water.
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>>5764033
> Odysseus: 11, 15 + 5 = 25
why is 15+5 a 25?
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>>5764069
Think that was a typo. Odysseus' bonus was a +10.
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>>5764069
>>5764072

Yes, sorry anons, I made a typo, Odysseus has a +10 singing bonus per my original bonii post (>>5764001) and not +5 like I had posted here (>>5764033)
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>>5764077
Well since you retconned it it's too late to re-change it now OH WELL ODYSSEUS tied with Ajax they better figure out who takes third place. HA HA HA HA

I wonder how far Odysseus jaw is going to drop when our performance very nearly matches his in the opposite mood. Will he panic at the idea of us winning the crowd over? No one expects the big men to have pipes. Too bad Ajax got bumped off.
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Nikebros and Rockchads... We just keep not-losing...
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>>5764082
>So how did the thessalian manage to survive when the likes of Achilles and Ajax did not?
>He may not win, but he also does not lose.
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Your lips part, and you sing of your father:

"Behold my son, my father said,
the strength of Hellenic stone.
When I pass, it will endure
As the kingdom and the throne.
Stone on stone with Hellenic hands
A wall for order to hold
Where beat hearts of loyalty
The dam shall remain...


You sing of the words that you should have heard - that you were meant to hear, from your father. Your song becomes the mournful cry of every son who has lost his father; of the cruelty of a world that strips boys of their happy childhoods.

You sing of Thessaly, and the roving bands of barbaroi in the darkness beyond.

You sing of the Dam - the altar to your father that you built of blood and slaves and gold - so that his memory might live a little longer.

Your tongue is unburdened, full of grace - your fingers dart across the lyre with stolen agility; somehow, they know exactly where to go. Drawn by the music, your pacing is perfect - your chorus's support, immaculate. You are outside of yourself, as you sing - with hundreds of eyes on you, you feel yourself vanish - into the memories of a Thessalian boy who daydreamed of what his life could have been.

And as you sing, you weep freely - the audience blurring indistinctly. The prickling pressure of the goddess' sight is on you once again, and beneath your sorrow - you are glad. This is where you are meant to be - in the competition, in the fight! Between lyrics, you make a silent prayer to your goddess, to Nike - hear me, O winged daughter of Styx, and be pleased... and you are absolutely confident that she hears you...

When the emotion recedes, and your eyes are wiped clean of tears, you are standing to the left of Odysseus, looking at you with wonder and intensely relieved, and on his right, Andros, who look as if he has forgotten his collapse in the poetry contest earlier this morning. The crowd hails the three of you - showering you with applause. When Anios pins the silver pin on your robes, a stylized face with open mouth, he leans close to you, saying:

"Well done, Nikandros - and know that your father Hippomedon will hear of this in the Elysian Fields." The words stun you - you had not ever considered that your father's shade might learn of your actions - and be proud.

>Nikandros has earned one point of Kleos for his general performance within the Lesser Delia, including a second-place finish in the penultimate event!

The rest of the feast is a true celebration - all hostility forgotten amongst the competitors, you drink excellent wine, eat excellent food, trade stories of the day's accomplishments and failures, and toast to one another's competitive spirit. Odysseus thrives - crowned as the champion of the Lesser Delia, he wears his laurel crown proudly, and you are relieved as well. You are learning to fear an angry Odysseus - and he has been appeased, for now. Finally, Anios stands to make some final remarks as the day of contests comes to a close...
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End of session for tonight, thanks all to the players! Next update tomorrow afternoon EST.

You guys managed to come out ahead in the Delia with a silver pin, and avoided a shameful last place finish. All told, excellent performance from Nikandros - could have hardly hoped for better here.
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>>5764091
Thenks for everything QM, this was godly
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>>5764091
I will never forgive Apollo for stealing a W for us.
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>and you are absolutely confident that she hears you...

Y E S
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>>5764091
It was great boss, specially the part about old dad being proud of us.
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>>5764091
Great stuff QM
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>>5764091
Lurker here. I was a voter in the original Trojan War quest run by Homer, and lurked a bit once Lesches took the reins. Gotta say, QM-- I love your writing style! This latest update hit really close to home for me, and was both evocative and well-written.

Thank you for keeping up the spirit of Homer and Trojan War Quest, and I hope you keep running in the future! I'll be keeping an eye on this in the future, for sure.
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>>5764091
Delia has been quite interesting. It seems both Nira and Nikon perform well in theatrical performances.
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>>5764121
I'm thinking the only reason we even got any attention from Nike is because it was the Lil Deli. Especially since Odysseus was gonna show up to this one. So then you had Apollo who undoubtedly is always putting at least a lazy eye towards it when it happens (very active this time because all the heroes). Athena showing up because her favorite dick is here. Nike probably showed up because Athena did and now she has an excuse to watch a competition which she probably just enjoys in general (Nike for sure watches competitive sports and gaming from her neet cave). Zeus was probably also paying a little attention because Pollux (and Castor) were here as well. Even though he tends to be the most restricted when it comes to intervening because every other god bitches and moans when he does anything ever.

But now we have been put on her radar for absolutely sure. Though I can't help but wonder, if Anios is to be believed that Papamedon is going to hear about it in the fields, maybe Hades and Persephone will as well. Perhaps they will be moved by such filial piety despite the barrier between life and death separating father and son. Maybe they'll be a little impressed? They're both bleeding heart types, in the end. Come to think of it, Hades is pretty much [Dutiful] [Sympathetic] as well. Huh.
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>>5764133
>because her favorite dick is here

Wouldn't that be Diomedes?
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>>5764141
Athena gives Odysseus the sloppy like no one's business. Diomedes is just a fucking chad who does stuff for her and she helps him win fights and stuff. Odysseus is the undisputed favorite, despite the fact that Diomedes is better than him at basically everything except scheming. She likes them both, but she definitely fawns over Odysseus.
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>>5764093
>>5764097
>>5764099
>>5764104

thanks for the kind words, anons - I only hope to do Homer's quest justice!

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“To all pious Hellenes present – soon, Apollo will reveal the location for his temple upon this isle! We have waited long indeed for my father to choose the correct site, and when the time comes, Delos will need marble, slaves, gold, and substance of all types to fund its creation. I have hosted many of you in the tent of my οἶκος – guest-friends, all. I ask you consider funding the οἶκος of my father as well.”

Anios goes on at some length here, extolling the benefits of funding the temple’s construction, but you’re simply too distracted by the silver pin on your robes to listen – if only Deianira could have seen me! you think.

Teukros, sitting to your right, nudges you gently, whispering –

“Don’t let the acclaim go to your head, Thessalian – I liked you best as an obscure and impoverished nobleman,” he jokes. Your bearded face wrinkles up in mock disbelief as you whisper back –

“Oh, and this from the man who nearly won the Delia!”, pointing at the glittering pins adorning his robes. You continue to banter back and forth for a few minutes more, until Anios rounds out his remarks with:

“Come, King of Ithaka! Stand once more and be applauded! Come with me and discuss what Apollo Θεαριος may reveal to the victor of the Lesser Delia!” Odysseus buoyantly leaps to Anios’ side, always happy to be the center of attention. As the crowd cheers, Anios bends to better Odysseus, who speaks in his eye. They both nod, and come to an agreement, although you cannot hear what about.

With the day finally at an end, Menelaus comes by to each of you to offer his congratulations, even to you – he still walks gingerly, but there’s no malice in the man’s eyes as he clasps your hands and mocks you goodnaturedly - “We leave after breakfast tomorrow, Nikandros – perhaps you should wake before the others so that you have time to make it to the ships?”

The next morning, you are sitting on the sand by Ajax’s galley, along with the Salaminian crew, who are eager to be off – after all, they’ve spent some three days camped on the beachside, with pleasant Ποντος beckoning them back to the water. The Spartans, too, are restless – as soldiers with high standards, they are easily bored by rest and recuperation – you know the type from your days raiding Illyrians in the hills.

Once again, Odysseus is late – but when he finally emerges from the hills above, all are dismayed: his face is bleak, his sorrow overmastering, his face grim. There is none of the gaiety of yesterday’s laurel-crowned champion. He all but refuses to speak to the crew or to Menelaus, only insisting that the diplomatic mission sets off as soon as possible.

>cont
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Menelaus is quick to comply, and you and Ajax assist the sailors in dragging the ships into the water. Each of the diplomatic party returns to their ship – yourself, Castor, Pollux, Teukros, and Ajax on one vessel, and on the other vessel, Menelaus, Palamedes and Odysseus.

don’t worry, you’ll have a chance to switch ships before you reach Ilion.

It's a beautiful morning for sailing – the sun warm, the northerly breeze brisk and filing the sails of your galleys, and within minutes, Delos is sinking below the waves behind you. All told - you're proud of yourself! You did well in the contests, you avoided any embarrassing defeats, and more importantly, you provided evidence to all present within the diplomatic party that you are capable of more than just smashing skulls - and with the council with the Trojans fast approaching, you'll need to exploit every advantage you can to honor your conspiracy with Electra, and bring about the war she has asked for.

>someone give me a dice+1d20 to determine how well this leg of the journey goes!
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Rolled 8 (1d20)

>>5764326
Time to be castaway.
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>>5764328
Given how good the weather is, I don't think this is that bad.
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>>5764011
great job anon
>>5764034
woooo
>>5764086
one kleos point incredible
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Rolled 18 (1d20)

>>5764326
need for sped
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Rolled 16 (1d20)

>>5764326
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Rolled 14 (1d20)

>>5764326
Lets to keep rolling to see what happen

>>5764326
Thenks bro, but it was Lesches that give meaning a meme song

More zeusposting to celebrate the victory of not-losing
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>>5764325
Looks like someone got told they were going on an extended vacation if the war kicks off. Uh oh. Should never ask for prophecies.
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>>5764506

Good guess anon, although your post made me re-read my update and thus I revealed uncovered this atrocity:

>Anios bends to better Odysseus, who speaks in his eye

Wtf was I typing?

Should read as “Anios bends to the shorter Odysseus, speaking in his ear.”

At least one update tonight at 8pm, see you later all
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>>5764514
I saw that and assumed it meant speaking eye-to-eye and thought nothing of it kek. But yeah, nah, dude was just whispering right in the socket. Telling his ocular devices how to be more gooder at seeing. Hell yeah.
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>>5764592
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>8 - mediocre, but expert captains/crews help mitigate the mild penalty here

Unfortunately, as the day rolls on, the breeze becomes inconstant, temperamental. Despite the best efforts from Menelaus and Ajax, the heavily-laden galleys (having been fully stocked while you were hosted by King Anios) make only average progress. You sweep southeast, going widely around Naxos, the childhood home of Zeus himself and current realm of Dionysus; the island is central to many tales you have heard about the gods, and therefore almost certainly dangerous. In particular, you’re aware that Theseus was said to have abandoned the princess of Crete, Ariadne, there, before she came to Dionysus’ attentions.

You see many sails on the horizon as your galleys keep the northeast – it seems that Naxos is something of a trading hub, given its central location within the Cyclades. Through idle conversation with a sailor, you are reminded that Naxos is renowned as a source of emery, and besides this, the island is famous for making oil mirrors – cleverly-designed flat-handled bowls that allow a person to view their own reflection, when filled with a solution of ink and oil. The alternative is a polished bronze mirror, like the one that elderly Nestor gifted to your mother, but such a treasure is outside the means of most Hellenes.

As to why Naxos will be avoided on this particular journey - you overhear Pollux in a separate conversation later in the day, making friendly conversation with Andocides:

“It’s an enjoyable place, Andocides – but a morning visit can turn into a wine-soaked summer if you let the Maenads get their hands on you…”
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After noon, the weather becomes mercilessly hot, and without a breeze, the heat is quite unpleasant – the Salaminians row in shifts so that they don’t collapse of heatstroke or desiccate under Helios’ all-seeing eyes - they hide in the hold when not above-board. Menelaus’ crew adopts a similar strategy, and they’re able to keep pace with some extra rowing effort. By the end of the day, the galleys have made good progress, but will only just reach the tiny rock known as Lebinthos before sunset. The island is said to be essentially uninhabited, and you find that the Salaminians know almost nothing about the place, apart from its utility in navigation – there’s little reason to camp there, devoid of people, wealth, or livestock as it is.

Sweeping into a protected bay on the southern side of the island as Helios descends into the waters, Menelaus and Ajax conference aboard the Spartan vessel before making their orders known – the diplomatic mission will camp on Lebinthos for the night, rather than row under the starlight. Better to hope for a change of winds in the morning than needlessly exhaust the crew.

>cont
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With Ajax and yourself present, it’s a swift enterprise to pull the galleys up onto the coarse sand of Lebinthos’ southern beach. Given the fact that this is unknown territory, you are pleased to see that Ajax and Menelaus take security of the camp seriously – they make an effort to post a series of sentries along the beachside, and ensure the combined galley crews arrange themselves properly for a speedy retreat to the galley if necessary. You note with approval that Ajax orders a substantial force of Salaminians to remain aboard the galley, and Menelaus, taking the hint, does the same. You note some flaws in camp’s arrangement in the sand- the crew are allowed to spread out too diffusely, in your opinion, and you would have preferred to send out a team of scouts across the entire island while there is fading light in the sky – but as you have not been asked to volunteer your judgment, you keep your silence.

The island itself is dry, sparse of vegetation, and the hillside is dotted with loose stones. True to the Salaminians' reporting, it is simply a boring place. There are no signs of recent habitation, or even signs that other sailing vessels have stopped for a night's rest here - not that you mind. After the heady days on Delos, it’s something of a relief to be on a backwater island – you feel more like yourself in the wilderness, without so many eyes on you.

The Salaminians and Spartans are quick to begin dinner preparations – a fine assortment of fresh Delian pork, wine, vegetables and more are being prepared, but it will be an hour or more before tonight’s rations are ready – time for you to engage with one of your crewmates, if you so choose?

>vote post coming next
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>okay, /qst/ - what do?

>Speak with Menelaus by the shallows, and see if you might be able to better make amends for your crushing blow against him during the footrace. He did not seem to carry a grudge, but staying in his good graces are critical if you are to prevent the diplomatic talks with Ilion from succeeding.

>Speak with Ajax by the campfire, and see if he would be willing to play another round of petteia – your last game left an awful taste in your mouth, and you’d like to provide him with a better showing, although your head is not yet entirely clear.

>Join Teukros by the inland edge of the beach – he seems to be stalking amongst the long grasses, bow in hand.

>Find Palamedes, who is not present – perhaps he is still on-board Menelaus’ galley? Your last conversation about genealogy was insightful, and you wonder what else you may learn from him.

>Join Castor and Pollux, who have brought their enormous horse, Hyperion, out of the galley’s hold, and are brushing his hide, and watering him properly– truthfully, you had entirely forgotten about the creature once your sandals touched Delos. At any rate, spending time with the Dioscuri has never steered you wrong.

>Speak with Odysseus, who is morosely staring into the sunset. He has spoken little since you left Delos, but you wonder if you might learn something of the man in his current state. Of course, you still view him as tremendously dangerous – in fact, speaking with him is extraordinarily risky; he may choose to wheedle out all of your secrets for entertainment if the mood strikes him.

>Range up to the island's "peak" - a rounded plateau that links the eastern and western promontories. A good hike to stretch your legs is what you need, after a day at sea!

>Something else I haven't thought of?
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>>5764852
>Speak with Ajax by the campfire, and see if he would be willing to play another round of petteia – your last game left an awful taste in your mouth, and you’d like to provide him with a better showing, although your head is not yet entirely clear.
Gotta take our chance, right?

>>5761850
>>5760608
>>5763244
Incase my ID changed again, these are all me.
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>>5764852
>>Range up to the island's "peak" - a rounded plateau that links the eastern and western promontories. A good hike to stretch your legs is what you need, after a day at sea!
REMOVE CONCUSSION PLEASE

also hiking is awesome and an unihabited island is bound to hold some secrets
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>>5764852
>>Speak with Menelaus by the shallows, and see if you might be able to better make amends for your crushing blow against him during the footrace. He did not seem to carry a grudge, but staying in his good graces are critical if you are to prevent the diplomatic talks with Ilion from succeeding.
I'm gonna have to go with this. I'd rather not play against Ajax again until we get our full ability back. Because I don't want to owe more fucking favors.

>>5764859
Usually "secrets" in LBA means there's a god or daimon lurking. And unfortunately I don't think there's an oread on this island with it's little hills. Which is the only reasonable option of babe to bang. Out of the various spirits, anyway. A nice mortal girl is preferable, since less fuckery tends to happen with them.
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>>5764856
>>5764852
Gonna change my vote, agree with the other anon that we should hold off on more petteia until we're not concussed anymore.
>Join Teukros by the inland edge of the beach – he seems to be stalking amongst the long grasses, bow in hand.
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>>5764852
>Speak with Menelaus by the shallows, and see if you might be able to better make amends for your crushing blow against him during the footrace. He did not seem to carry a grudge, but staying in his good graces are critical if you are to prevent the diplomatic talks with Ilion from succeeding.
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>>5764852
>Range up to the island's "peak" - a rounded plateau that links the eastern and western promontories. A good hike to stretch your legs is what you need, after a day at sea!
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>>5764852
>Range up to the island's "peak" - a rounded plateau that links the eastern and western promontories. A good hike to stretch your legs is what you need, after a day at sea!
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>>5764873
>>5764881
>Range up to the island's "peak" - a rounded plateau that links the eastern and western promontories. A good hike to stretch your legs is what you need, after a day at sea!

Changing my vote, conversations can be had later hiking must be prioritised.
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>>5764954
This is me:
>>5742965
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>>5764852
>>Range up to the island's "peak" - a rounded plateau that links the eastern and western promontories. A good hike to stretch your legs is what you need, after a day at sea!
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>>5764852
>Range up to the island's "peak" - a rounded plateau that links the eastern and western promontories. A good hike to stretch your legs is what you need, after a day at sea!

I will never not take the "hiking" option
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Hi all, this vote will close at 12pm, lurkers make your voices heard!

Some other housekeeping:

Lord Licorice has kindly fixed this thread’s archive on /sup/tg, please consider voting if you have enjoyed the quest!

https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html

Secondly, I’ve organized another ad buy through Danbo, this time using the desktop ad I had created. So we may or may not see an uptick in newcomers over the next couple days.

Finally - in 2-3 weeks, I will be taking a 4-5 week hiatus to rest, recuperate, and tackle some other important projects in my life (such as finish the Thebaid and maybe play one of the video games on my 10 year backlog…). My realistic goal is to have Nikon stepping foot inside Ilion’s walls by this thread’s finish. TWQ thread #3 will likely be up in mid-November. After the unfortunate passing of AxisQM, I do want to make sure that this hobbyist effort of mine is sustainable, stays fun, and more importantly, /qst/ sees the story of TWQ come to a finish.
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>>5764852
>Find Palamedes, who is not present – perhaps he is still on-board Menelaus’ galley? Your last conversation about genealogy was insightful, and you wonder what else you may learn from him.
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>>5765103
Thank you for the quality running and please continue to take care of yourself.
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>>5765103
It will be hard being without the quest for a entire month, but I agree that your mental health is more important.
Keep on being based Lesches.
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>>5764959
Why'd you reply to me with that?
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>>5765124
Ah shit, my ID
>>5761893
Still me
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Hang with Teukie

>>5764873

Go hiking

>>5764859
>>5764948
>>5764954
>>5764959
>>5765017
>>5765051

Menelaus

>>5764871

Palamedes

>>5765124

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I think I got all the votes, but looks like a landslide victory for hiking. Looks like another spin on the Homeric Happenings random events table!

Someone, give me a dice+1d20 to see what Nikon finds!
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Rolled 6 (1d20)

>>5765103
This has been my favorite quest. Thanks for taking up the mantle of QM and take care of yourself, Lesches!
>>5765256
Rollan
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>>5765259

Thanks for the kind words, writing now!
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Holy fucking shit. I saw the entire original quest by Homer maybe a year ago as well as the first few threads of deinaira or whatever the fuck her name was. I stopped using /qst/ for ages and now I see an ad for this on /co/
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>>5765270

Welcome aboard, traveler. Consider sticking around to play this quest.

The golden age of /qst/ is ahead of us!
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>>5765270
>>5765278
Great time to come aboard. We are still in the prequel of the Trojan War.
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>>5765278
>The golden age of /qst/ is ahead of us!
I remember there being a big debate about how /qst/ was dying and how to get new guys, whatever happened with that?
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>>5765285
>still in the prequel
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>>5765296

We made a bunch of ads and average board volume rose by 50% for the last part of August. So from my perspective, I do think the ads actually work.
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The island that will serve as your rest-stop tonight, but you aren't likely to return here any time soon. Once again, you are driven to explore while you can! For one, you feel constrained and compressed upon the galley – it was not designed for men of your size. For two, you have always felt more at home in the wilds, exploring new territory, learning new lands. It was the primary means of relaxation available to you as an adolescent, and the simple pleasure of ascending hills and peaks has never dulled for you. Plus, after the excitement of Delos, you could use some time in solitude. Finally, Ajax’s sentry placement leaves you a bit unsettled, as these men have been stationed mostly upon the edges of the shoreline – Ajax perhaps fearing attack by sea more than threats from the island itself. You’ll scout the island personally to ensure that there are no surprises lurking.

You make your plans known to the Salaminians, but before you leave, you don your father’s bronze, strapping your shield and spear to your back, and hooking your sword to your belt. You’re not so foolish as to travel unarmed and unarmored on Lebinthos, an island that you know nothing of, even though there’s no obvious sign of habitation or other guests upon this small spit of land. With perhaps an hour of daylight left to you, you resolve to scout the plateau above you.

You wave amiably to Teukros, still stalking in the reeds, as you move past him – he returns the favor, although he is too far away to speak with you.

The climb is an easy one, after your sprint to the top of Mount Cynthus – this upward jaunt hardly compares. You first range out to the western side of the island - the plateau itself is rocky, barren, and practically devoid of life – crooked weeds and stunted trees dot the environs, but it’s clearly too dry for any substantial vegetation to be present. Given the small size of the island, you reach the western end quickly – you’re relieved to see that there truly is no sign of human activity. The beach here, golden with the last light of Helios, is pristine and unsullied by the deep gouges of a ship’s keel, indicative of recent habitation.

Crossing back over the central part of the island, you see an interesting sight as you cross to the east, the side of the island facing the Troad (and Caria, home of vicious raiders) – a weathered stone fortification; a squat tower, perhaps ten feet high and painted white. As you approach it, you see that the paint is thickly and unevenly layered – in some parts of the tower, it looks to be quite fresh. You draw closer to investigate the perplexing detail – who would bother with such an action on a deserted island? If anything, the paint only serves to make the fortification more visible – counterproductive for military purposes, in your view. Furthermore – who would take the time and expense to travel here repeatedly to re-apply the paint?

>cont
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As you reach out a hand to touch the paint, the breeze changes – and you are assailed with an acrid stench. You draw back your hand in momentary confusion, and you realize that this is not paint, coating the tower – it’s bird excrement. But there would have to be either a huge number of birds – you haven’t seen any at all - or instead, a small number of very large…Your thought is interrupted by the sound of rustling in the tower above you – like sails flapping in the wind, or else the sound of…

Very large wings.

Ah. you think matter-of-factly. I have made a mistake.

Craning your head up and taking a step back, you see a fierce yellow eye narrowing upon you, from over the low wall of the tower. You freeze in terror, as the eye watches you.

After a very long pause, you take another step back, and the eye rises into the air – it is attached to a massive eagle-like monstrosity, its beak cruelly curved, gleaming in the fading light of the day. The size of it is impossible – it must stand almost as tall as you! As you look more closely, the beak of the creature appears to be…bronze.

A very serious mistake. you think, amending your thought. As slowly as you dare, you equip your spear and shield, taking another large stride backwards. The monster regards you fully now, head tilting in curiosity, it’s beak beginning to open slightly – its tongue stained white with decaying fishmeat, and a strange crest of gleaming bronze feathers rises from its head – similar to your own horse-hair crest.

You take another step back.

The monster rises to its feet, placing an enormous claw atop the tower wall – more bronze tipping its claws, you note with dread.

You take another step, and the bird’s head tilts – curiosity being replaced by hunger, its beak opening wider, whitened tongue waggling grotesquely.

The beast is preparing to strike! Your heart pulses and the moment freezes – you have only a split-second to react!

>run!

>throw spear!

>fight!
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>>5765320
>throw spear!
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The Stymphalian bird.
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Rolled 3, 13, 15 + 6 = 37 (3d20 + 6)

>>5765327

Without a moment's hesitation, you drop to your knees and fire the spear with every part of your strength! It leaves your right-hand in a blur, whistling keenly as it seeks the heart of the monstrosity!

>players, give me a THREE rolls of dice+1d20+6.
>I'm rolling for the beast - beat its BLOCK roll to score a hit!

>>5765332

Yes, although you'll notice that this one is considerably bigger than what Pausanias reported in his Description of Greece
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Rolled 13, 13, 11 + 6 = 43 (3d20 + 6)

>>5765335
Hopefully, you meant three rolls of d20.
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Rolled 19 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5765335
THREE whole rolls? You spoil us, Lesches.
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Rolled 10 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5765335
Running seems bit of a fool’s dream considering it can fly
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My bad. I guess you can just take my first roll.
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>>5765338

No special bonus for Nikon was applied, combat rolls were changed to Bo3 before Homer went on his hiatus. However, throwing your spear immediately meant that you auto-win initiative - at the cost of throwing away your best weapon

>>5765337 (only counting the first 13)
>>5765338
>>5765339

>Nikandros rolls a 25 vs 21 - he scores a hit!

Your spear flies truly, sinking deeply into the breast of the animal - it emits an ear-shattering cry as it topples from the tower onto the rocky ground before you, perhaps five strides away. As it screams, you involuntarily crouch due to the deafening screech, attempting to shield your ears with your hands - of course, your bronze helm prevents you from doing so.

>players, give me ONE roll of dice+1d5+6 to see how much damage Nikon deals!
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Rolled 1 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5765335
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Rolled 5 + 6 (1d5 + 6)

>>5765353
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Rolled 4 + 6 (1d5 + 6)

>>5765353
Fuck
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>>5765356
That was close. I am glad this roll is not counted. Thanks for counting my first roll!
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Do we carry some sort of off-hand weapon or are we going to need to combat this beast with rock, branches, and our hands?
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>>5765363
We got a sword. Could always try beating it to death with our shield
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>>5765353
The good news is the sword only has a penalty for engaging shielded foes, right? The wings don't count as shields because bird wings are pretty vulnerable, right? Right? Haaa fuckin bronze birds.
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>>5765369
We need to eat the bird if we kill it
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>>5765308
>>5765320
>Nikon stumbles onto the nesting grounds of a bird as tall as he is
I think our boy might have eye problems, lads.
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>>5765377
If we kill this bird and after taking a whopping 11 damage it should be REALLY feeling it we are absolutely upgrading our bling with its bronze-feathered crest. But yes, bringing it back to the shore and showing how badass we are and giving people something REAL to eat is a given.

Maybe we can find some eggs in the nest and get a pet? Nah. Too much work. But damn, Nike's champion getting a winged companion? Shit writes itself.
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I had a strong feeling that this roll was going to be a beast encounter. I say we sacrifice this beast to Zeus since eagles are his beast of choice and may shield us from other gods. That or we just take its heart.
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>>5765383
>Nah. Too much work
Anon, you're not thinking far enough. If we can raise and train one of these birds well enough, we can get it to carry and drop a rock on Paris' head!
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>>5765386
Son of a bitch you're right.
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>>5765386
It feels like the set up for some sort of hubris
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Time to upgrade our armor and weapons from [Rare] to [Epic] boys.

>>5765386
>>5765383
We NEED a pet monster
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>>5765357

>Nikon scores 11 damage - a pretty fucking gnarly throw by him.

As the beast flaps on the ground, disoriented, you see that the spear has been planted deeply in its breast, low and centered - you can only imagine that the pitiless bronze has pierced its' organs. It hisses at you weakly, tearing at the spear ineffectually with its enormous, curved beak.

Black blood gushes freely from the beast's wound, spilling over its tawny feathers, and smoking as it floods along the haft of your spear. The eagle-like animal flails against the rocky earth. Without any other recourse, you draw your sword - but attacking it with a weapon of such reduced reach gives you pause - by necessity, you'd have to draw within range of its beak and bronze-tipped talons. The titanic predator screeches again in outrage, it's cry echoing across the hills.

In the distance, you hear a reply - a pair of piercing calls from further east that can only be the remainder of the creature's brood.

Alarmingly, you watch as the flow of black blood begins to slow - it is healing like YOU you realize - it must be a descendent of the divines like yourself - some awful aberration resulting from the mixing of beast and daimon, an act that you would prefer not to consider further.

Making this conclusion, you realize that you must kill the beast NOW - you won't have a better chance to do so than at this very moment, as it struggles against the terrible wound you've inflicted against it, making no attempt to flee.

But how to attack?

>I'm going to leave this vote upon until 8pm tonight - unfortunately, something's come up to interrupt my session here.

>Charge the beast with your sword blade high - this will trigger a standard initiative contest and melee combat rounds. With the beast gravely wounded, you won't have a better chance to kill it - you'll have to risk your own disembowelment in the process.

>Scrounge for boulders and rocks - perhaps you can quickly locate a stone of adequate size and crush the beast from a safe distance? Of course, every moment that goes by means that the wound you delivered will be healing at a rapid pace. Additionally, the beast's brood must be approaching by air. Time is very precious to you - can you afford the moments needed?

>Reconsider your approach, fleeing the scene outright and returning to the ships - there are two additional divine beasts out there, and you cannot risk being outnumbered! Kleos can only be won by the living, and there's no shame in a controlled retreat.

>Something else I haven't thought of?
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Maybe we can try slamming the spear even deeper
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Fuck it, balls to the wall.
>>5765392
>Topple the tower upon the beast.
Sadly I gotta sleep so I can't witness this fight live. Make Nike proud and sacrifice the bird's head to her, Anons!
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On top of being wounded, would the spear sticking out of it hinder its AGI?
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>>5765392
>Reconsider your approach, fleeing the scene outright and returning to the ships - there are two additional divine beasts out there, and you cannot risk being outnumbered! Kleos can only be won by the living, and there's no shame in a controlled retreat.
Knowing gods, there is a 50% chance they would be pissed if we killed their zoophilia child.
There's also a 50% they would be very happy, but I would rather not risk it.
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>>5765397
Actually, I back this. We are right next to the tower if I’m not mistaken and it is pretty weathered
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>>5765392
I'll back this
>>5765397
getting bird shit on our hands is a small price to pay. But a great number of decent sized stones falling onto it and knocking it down also driving the spear in it ever deeper? Should be enough to do the trick.
It should have a significant enough stat debuff now should make it unable to properly handle a strength check for holding up the rocks. Honestly it's probably almost dead, even. Even with it healing. I can't imagine it having more than like, 13-15 HP total to begin with. Even though it may be a magic partially metal beast, it's still a bird, and birds are pretty fragile.

I just want to get our spear back at the very least. Taking trophies or scouring for eggs be damned. If only there weren't two more of these fuckers. Hopefully this was the biggest of the three, though. And they don't chase us down to the shore once we skedaddle.

I say we give it one more round before running. And then we can come back with the boys, if we so desire.
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>>5765397
>>5765392

This or
>Charge the beast with your sword blade high
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>>5765397
If we topple the tower then we'll have to dig out our spear and dead bird with two more still on their way. Besides, IIRC, their shit is poisonous so touching it will probably hurt us.

>>5765392
>Scrounge for boulders and rocks - perhaps you can quickly locate a stone of adequate size and crush the beast from a safe distance? Of course, every moment that goes by means that the wound you delivered will be healing at a rapid pace. Additionally, the beast's brood must be approaching by air. Time is very precious to you - can you afford the moments needed?
We're on a barren island right next to an old stone ruin. I'm sure there's rocks aplenty.
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>>5765417
I mean, we can run away and come back later with the literal band of heroes, most importantly Teurkos. Also, what is this about the poop being poisonous?
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>>5765392
>Charge the beast with your sword blade high
Every round it heals is bad for us. We need to end this NOW.
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>>5765417
Anon, all shit is poisonous. Just don't let it in our wounds or open orifices. And with our divine constitution we should be able to resist it or shrug it off on the journey.
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>>5765394

You could definitely try this, but you’d have to get pretty close to the eagle anyways to do so - I would remove the sword combat penalties (of course, they would be normally present here - you’re attacking a flying blender with huge claws with a big knife), but you’d be within range of counterattack if you blow it.

>>5765397
>>5765404
>>5765409

This is a clever idea but even Nikon is not strong enough to topple the whole stone tower in a flash - however, he could DEFINITELY climb the tower quickly, loosen one of the stones from top, and then try to brain the creature from above. I would give you guys a bonus when scrounging for stones and with gravity on your side, a good wound bonus to your rock attack as well. However, this is going to take time, and the bird would regen a marginal amount during this process.
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>>5765423
But if there is a tie my vote goes to topple the tower.
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>>5765425
Rock+Gravity+Nikon=rocks fall
Brain the bird!
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>>5765425
Lets to keep it simple then and just

>>Charge the beast with your sword blade high
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>>5765425
So we get a choice between drop kicking a spear for direct damage now without the sword-fighting penalty, or extra ROCK power compared to the regular boulder searching option. That is a surprisingly hard choice. Our best chance to hit is with the rocks since we don't know exactly what its HP is, if it's taking a 80% malus we'd probably be able to walk up and coup de grace it. But with it healing. Hm.

If we go into melee we have to roll to beat its agi, which is probably really borked right now, but then we still have to beat its 6 con bonus which remains unchanged. If we climb the tower and hit it in the face with a stone, it'll probably get an extra round or two of healing in but a big rock does a LOT more damage than our spear in the first place, couple that with gravity giving us even more to-wound bonus. I think ROCKCHAD is ultimately the better choice.

So I'll stick with ROCK AND ROLL.
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Sorry I mean

>Scrounge for boulders and rocks

These
>>5765431
>>5765412

Dont count
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>>5765422
>>5765424
I mean specifically poisonous and not just typically shit nasty, though it doesn't seem that's elaborated on in any capacity. Killing the birds is one of the labors of Heracles.
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>>5765437
Yeah I know. But poison still functions the same way whether it's bad or REALLY bad, you know? It has to get into you to work. And stymphalian bird shit can't possibly be so bad as to be able to pass through the skin with no point of ingress. It's shit, so it's a bit too big on a molecular level for that, right? That's my way of thinking, anyway. There aren't many poisons in nature that find skin permeable.

Of course, who knows? I've never handled bronze-bird shit before. It's a calculated risk.
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>>5765441
Though if we do get poisoned there is Castor who is trained in healing. Wonder if we stay here long enough Pollux might show up on his big horse to help, that bird scream was bound to be loud
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>>5765441
I'm being pedantic. Shit is not poisonous. It carries pathogens which can be poisonous but more often than not carries bacteria which only cause symptoms well after the initial infection. Poison definitionally can be absorbed through skin and has no propagation point from which symptoms will happen. It's just instantly bad with near immediate onset of symptoms.
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>>5765442
>pollux hears huge eagle screech: DAD?

>>5765447
I'm being pedantic as well. An infection from touching shit propagates the same way that typical poisons do. In that you can touch it all you want, as long as you don't then touch somewhere that it can enter your body through "wetter" tissues. Like the eyes, mouth, nose, etc.. Treating shit like poison is basically the safe way of handling it.

And MOST poisons found in nature, and by most I really do mean the big majority, cannot pass through the skin on contact alone. Usually if the poison is contact-active it's just something that affects the skin. Or it's a true liquid, like how poison ivy works, with its sap. Dried bird shit wouldn't be able to soak through the skin like that.

Trust me man, I'm thinking about it. And the benefits outweigh the risks. Especially since we're just gonna run the fuck away immediately after braining the thing. If we do take ill we'll be in good company for the duration of recovery.
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>>5765456
Poisons are chemical agents while disease you catch from touching shit is not is what I'm trying to get at. I don't disagree with your assessment though. Ideally we won't be touching either. However I do like the idea of climbing the tower and dropping a rock off onto it.
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>>5765460
Food poisoning. Takes minutes, hours, or even a day to present. Why do they call it food poisoning? It isn't poison. I blame the barbaroi for this.

Honestly I think we would be better off describing the stymphalian shit as toxic instead of poisonous. To impress the difference. I think it was just a lack of understanding of bacterial theory back in the day which made them call it that. If we go off of their description it is poisonous, which doesn't necessarily mean that it is poison, but instead that it's just really fucking bad for you and living things in general. But toxic would definitely mean it's a directly harmful substance of some description aside from it being inherently unclean and nasty.

Truly, language is stupid. I prefer speaking with rocks.
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>>5765473
Good points, food poisoning is just a colloquial term for a few different intestinal infections. However saying that, IIRC, salmonella related food poisoning can cause endotoxin poisoning once those salmonella cells die. Interestingly, both tetanus and botulism are bacteria that kill you through the same chemical toxins they're named after rather than normal pathogenic infection.

But yes, I would agree. Toxic is a much better general term for what the 'poisonous' shit likely is.
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>>5765485
>POV witches are discussing nefarious ways by which an honest man may die
kek this just makes me think this is the kind of discussion Nira would be having with an Asclepian doctor.

Maybe If we get the chance we could scrape some of it into a pot or jar and have it shipped back to her. I'm sure she would understand and not think we were just sending her a container full of regular bird shit. Damn the siblings really need to learn how to read and write. I wonder if she could make something out of it though. A long-lasting poison rather than an instead death one like the helldog drool.
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>>5765503
>the kind of discussion Nira would be having with an Asclepian doctor.
Invisible creatures that invade our body and cause sickness? Nira's humors are clearly misaligned for such thoughts, clearly she's afflicted with the same illness as her mother.
That'd be something though, I haven't read Nira's quest but I'm sure she'd appreciate a gift from Nikon.
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>>5765521
"Little blood daimons" they say. What nonsense. These "learned" types are all insane!

You should give it a skim. It is somehow even more intense than fighting a brood of bronze-beaked-big-breasted-birds. Though I do wonder how this one got so fucking big. It must be a favorite of Artemis. Though this group seems a bit far west of where they should be. Damn birds.

Oh we could send her some feathers with it, doy. Make it very obvious what it is. The feathers probably have some properties suitable for magic, too. Or to be a really nifty adornment for any garment. Don't need a pin for your hair when you have a bronze feather.
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>>5765392
>Drop a rock on it from the tower

R O C K

I still really want Nikon to learn the sling, even if it makes him look poor. He could be a one man siege weapon.
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>>5765579
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>basically, near unanimous agreement that Nikon will attempt a rock smash here.

You make a split second decision - approaching the beast, even when significantly wounded, is not preferable - the killing point of the eagle's break could easily tear your throat to shreds, and likewise, you suspect that the bronze points of its claws are strong enough to puncture your bronze plate, should they find purchase.

So you resolve to make another ranged attack, your eyes flickering over the landscape for stones heavy enough to crush the enormous avian. And then - a moment of inspiration - the tower! You take in the weathered stones a second time, and the flopping, writhing animal below it. You already have all the stones you could ever need!

You sprint over the rocky ground, giving the creature a wide berth - it continues to worry awkwardly at the spear-point buried deep within it's flesh, but its own blood is greasing the spearhaft - it's unable to get a strong grip. As you scrabble over the small hill adjacent to the watch tower, you say your prayers, hoping that your spear will keep the beast occupied.

In the distance, you hear the piercing shrieks of your opponent's brothers - they are drawing closer, but as you frantically scan the skies, you can't see any looming silhouettes above. Further beyond that - you hear the muffled shouts of the sailors by the southern beaches. Perhaps they can see what you cannot - gigantic beasts borne aloft by the air itself, hunting for you.

You put the other beasts aside for now and you rocket up the hillside, legs pumping, before turning to leap across to the squat tower - it's easy enough to climb up and over into the interior. Landing amongst the tower, you nearly vomit at the stench - rotting fragments of fish are everywhere, mixed with the horrid stench of the animal's droppings. The exterior is meant to be chest-high for a commoner, but for you, it rises only to your waist - you have a clear view of the thrashing predator below. You quickly examine the stones nearest to you, searching for one suitable for your needs.

>players, i need THREE rolls of dice+1d8+1 to determine size of the stone that Nikon finds.
>Once this is done, we'll roll for the actual stone attack. For reference, we rolled a 7 to find a boulder in thread 1, and Homer had us then roll a dice+1d20+5, Bo3 (I assume because our STR was 17 at the time).
>Boulder size correlates to damage dealt, where boulder size 8 = 50% of total STR in damage dealt.
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Rolled 8 + 1 (1d8 + 1)

>>5765705
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Rolled 1 + 1 (1d8 + 1)

>>5765705
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Rolled 1 + 1 (1d8 + 1)

>>5765705


>>5765707
BIG

ROCK

YAAAAAAAAAA
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Rolled 11 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5765705
Holy shit am I glad that only >>5765707 counts
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>>5765707
>>5765710
>>5765711
Wow! I imagine we found a bunch of baseball/brick-sized rocks and one giant rock half our size.
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>>5765715
A size 9 boulder. Fucking huge. Athos has blessed our search.

>>5765705
So we roll a d20+5 now, or a +6? Or more for contextual bonus of being directly above it?
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Rolled 3 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5765705
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We need a last 1d20+5
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>>5765707
>>5765710
>>5765711

>Nikon finds a big fucking rock.

>>5765714
>>5765727

>Sorry anons, my post was unclear and I was providing the 1d20+5 information just for reference - I'm calling rolls for the actual boulder attack below.

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Your search is a rapid one - and productive. Through pure happenstance and serendipity, one of the largest stones of the tower's waist-high wall is obviously loose. Even better, the stone is part of the wall closest to the creature. It's more or less the size of your torso

Momentarily dropping your shield in the rotting filth, you pull the stone inwards, until the stone's edges are free for you to catch - the edges are rough and worn, perfect for grasping. You begin to lift - the muscles in your legs and back straining, shrieking in protest, as you haul the stone over your head. You feel the blood rushing into your face, as you breathlessly exert yourself, your eyeballs feeling like they might pop! Below you, the animal is still flailing wildly, but the beast is looking more alert all the time, it's head craning in your direction between attacks on your spear's haft.

Further delay is unacceptable.

With incredible effort, you HURL the stone directly towards the beast's body!

>okay players, I need THREE rolls of dice+1d20+8. Gravity is on your side here, so I'm apply a +2 bonus both to the attack itself and also the damage portion of the roll.
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Rolled 1 + 8 (1d20 + 8)

>>5765737
We're gonna rock your world, bird-brain.
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Rolled 30 (1d44)

>>5765739
Okay hold on, why am I rolling so bad? Lemme just check this. Thank god crits aren't enabled for this.
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Rolled 13 + 8 (1d20 + 8)

>>5765737
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>>5765742

I think is fate

>>5765714
>Rolled 11
>>5765727
>Rolled 3

And now the rolls are

>>5765739
>Rolled 1
>>5765744
>Rolled 13
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>>5765752
I'm thinking the dice are in no mood for puns kek.
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Rolled 15 + 8 (1d20 + 8)

>>5765737
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Rolled 11, 6, 8 + 2 = 27 (3d20 + 2)

>>5765737

Oops, forgot my rolls for the bird - it does suffer a pretty significant wound malus, as you'll notice.

Please note that I have been including the wound malii to CON as well as STR and AGI. It was never clear to me in Homer's combat system whether the wound malus was supposed to strictly apply to STR and AGI combat actions alone, because at least to me, it would follow intuitively that someone who is wounded would be worse at blocking.
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>>5765756
Nice

>>5765754
The dice gods are easy to irritate, that much is know
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>>5765739
>>5765744
>>5765756

>Nikon rolls a 23 vs 13 - solid hit!

I now need ONE roll of dice+1d9+12 to determine damage dealt! My boulder damage equation is 1dX+(1/2 total STR + any context modifiers), where X is boulder size.
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Rolled 1 + 12 (1d9 + 12)

>>5765770
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>>5765760
Actually he did clarify that CON was unaffected when someone asked him about it. To give CONCHADS a reason to take it instead of AGI. So that if you were a beefy boy you could avoid dying even if you had bad other stats. Otherwise CON boys would be assfucked to death laughably easy by dexfags.

To be specific, it was thread one, ctrl+f degradation, should be match 4 out of 5 toward the end of the thread.

Not that it saves the bird here though.
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>>5765770
>11 damage -2(?) rounds of regen (assuming it regens 2 HP per turn like we of olympian blood do) +13 more damage
An effective 20 damage on it. Ouch. Please be dead
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>>5765770
Actually I'm scatterbrained here, bear with me, a size 8 boulder is 50% of STR but we got a size 9 boulder, shouldn't that increase the damage somewhat as well? Or did you mean to say that if we rolled an 8 on the search we'd have a boulder that gives 50% of STR bonus?
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>>5765773
Makes sense, perfectbuild fag was already a dexfag, imagine if getting hit made getting easier on top of it as well?
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>>5765771
AAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>5765782
He was sure he would win because of his superior speed. Only to be flattened by a rock. Honestly agi is still probably the god stat because it affects initiative, and striking first is always a good thing. But if you've got regen like we do, having a gigantic health pool and decent armor can make us effectively invulnerable to anything except underhanded trickery or insane burst damage.

Which should indicate how scary of an archer Paris actually is. Cause he fucking three taps Achilles. Also he's a chronic toe-shooter. He puts an arrow into Diomedes' foot at one point as well.
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>>5765771
It's still alive. We are going to have to finish this with our sword.
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>>5765809
If it isn't dead, we book it.
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>>5765815
>>5765815
You don't get Kleos for running.
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>>5765819
You don't get kleos for getting tag teamed to death by its buddies.
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>>5765773

Oh, wow - you're completely correct, not sure how I managed to misinterpret this. Will make a note here.

So I'm retroactively modifying the outcome post here >>5765770

>23 vs 13->17

Anyways, we have the same outcome - solid hit on the bird.

>>5765779

Yep, size 8 boulder = 50% of your raw STR score = 9 damage. Size 9 boulder = 55% of raw STR score = 10 damage. Plus I gave an extra +2 damage for throwing with a gravity assist.

>>5765809
>>5765815

Don't be alarmed, anons. You just threw a 200kg stone onto a (admitted very large) bird. Nikon will be happy with the results here.

>>5765819

This man is correct - this combat encounter was meant to test Nikon's desire for fame against his desire to live. Let's see how it pans out for him!

I may or may not be able to get out one last update before 12pm, otherwise, will update tomorrow morning!
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>>5765829
>throwing with a gravity assist.
Did the greeks have a god of making things fall? We should thank them if there was
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>>5765829
Phew. Thank all the gods for big heavy things.

That being said, we still need to bounce with utmost haste. Take a quick trophy and get outta here. We can't take on two of these at once unless they are chicken sized. They, too, have projectile attacks, and they can fly. We'd be dove upon and turned into a pincushion.

Unless of course the birds have started harassing the boys at camp instead. We should hurry back, grab them, then bring them up here to look for loot.

Also congrats everyone, we just beat our first supernatural beastie in a battle. Nice going.
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>>5765771
In a way, this roll may actually help us by leaving more of the corpse intact for loot. Had we rolled maximum damage we could have destroyed all the valuable parts or just left a stain.
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>>5765848
A glancing blow probably just obliterated its skull. But I can imagine a max damage roll

>throw beeg rawk
>the bird stands completely upright look up
>everything except its wings get smashed into paste in a straight line down

I wonder if the crest on top of its head was totally destroyed or not. I won't be beat up over it if it is, it would have just been super cool. We can recreate it with feathers from elsewhere though. We could give some of its pinions to Teukros and Odysseus. Good for flight but probably too big for regular arrows.
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>>5765848
Thenks, i just wanted a cool helmet or a monster hunter lookalike weapon
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>>5765853
My hopes for were talons or meat to sacrifice.
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>>5765855
Nice. I was hoping to use the talons for armor upgrades, such as pauldrons or arm guards.
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>>5765855
The drip will be immaculate. Shining bronze feathers everywhere.

>>5765858
Good choices. Sacrifice the meat to Nike, because she is bae, and to Artemis because these are her birds, and we have to pay the huntress her dues to be safe.

We could probably use the talons for something. Arrowheads, maybe? Javelin tips? Just to look fucking rad on our helmet? If the beak is intact we could probably use it to make a badass spear with.

All the feathers will be good for bling, and giving as gifts. Nikandros the generous, feather-foe, rock dropper.
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>>5765876
>We could probably use the talons for something. Arrowheads, maybe? Javelin tips? Just to look fucking rad on our helmet? If the beak is intact we could probably use it to make a badass spear with.

I was thinking more in the lines of a hammer/pickaxe
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>>5765974
I figure the spear is the safer choice because it's the classic weapon, and it can be easily thrown in a pinch As we so shrewdly demonstrated here, also damn we hit the bird hard enough to one-shot ourself, that's really scary, and it has no special modifiers/penalties. Well, aside from the spear-breaking penalty that can happen if we hit armor bad enough.

I imagine a pick would be extra effective against armor but have a penalty to shield combat much like a sword (but for different reasons), and enemies with spears would have a reach advantage. Or I might be misattributing the various mali that come with sword combat. But reach is very important, and warpicks tend to have pretty limited reach.

It would pack a hell of a punch though, that's for sure.
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I wonder if we make a spear using the beak; it'll be hard to break and nullify the bonuses of enemy armor since the animal was stated to be capable of puncturing through bronze. We have two Polymechanoi, though I dread any interaction with Oderpyshit.
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>>5766198
According to Pausanias (the real OG autistic historian) and to quote him "These fly against those who come to hunt them, wounding and killing them with their beaks. All armour of bronze or iron that men wear is pierced by the birds; but if they weave a garment of thick cork, the beaks of the Stymphalian birds are caught in the cork garment, just as the wings of small birds stick in bird-lime. These birds are of the size of a crane, and are like the ibis, but their beaks are more powerful, and not crooked like that of the ibis.". So I assume a relatively long beak, that is mostly straight but wickedly hooked at the end and horrifically sharp. A problem for a bird to get loose from stuck, but not for a man with a brain that knows you just gotta tilt the thing while pulling.

Though I bet magical armor will still be able to withstand it just fine. Because magic.

We can probably win Odumpytits by giving him some trophy feathers from the bird. If they don't kill one or the both of the others themselves.
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Good thing we had the modifiers in our favor, TWQ dice are still as temperamental as I know them.

>>5766198
>>5766205
I went googling for some reference, and goddamn. Since the bird Nikon fought was comparable to him in height, I imagine it's beak is essentially the length of a frigging sword.
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>>5766240
I also imagine that stymphalian birds have raptor style talons. Which is to say a serious nightmare when they stick you. Imagine a falcon landing on your glove except its toenails can pierce a piece of bronze plate. Gonna need a whole lot more than a thick leather glove to handle these birds. And this particular bird being Nikon-ish sized would mean it's about as big as a terror bird. Some prehistoric style beat. Wew.

A seven foot tall hawk with a shortspear for a face and razor sharp feathers. Thank fuck they don't all get this big. I hope.

>Good thing we had the modifiers in our favor, TWQ dice are still as temperamental as I know them.
Thank goodness for clever anons and witty plans.
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The stone tumbles downwards through the air, propelled by your heroic cast. The beast is still flailing wildly, but doesn’t see the stone coming, as you had feared – it crashes against the bird’s lower bank with an audible CRUNCH and immediately, the bird’s legs fall limp and useless, and its struggles begin weakening. You collect your shield, filthy as it is with excrement and liquefied meat from the flooring of the tower, and you leap back to the hillside, nearly falling as your sandals slide against the dry earth.

By the time you return to the awful creature, only its eyes are moving – tracking you dazedly, pupils dilating even as you watch. The creature is dying – the injuries you delivered being too devastating to repair even for whatever residue of divine ichor flows within its blood. Scanning the skies, you dart forwards to retrieve your spear – it comes unglued from the bird’s flesh with a wrenching tug, but as you give the creature one last glance, you see the final spark of life fade from its eyes. You’ll have to return later to collect your trophies – the other two creatures are still alive and searching for you!

You about face, sprinting down the dusty terrain, constantly scanning the skies for the beasts. About a half-stadia from the beach – you see them! They crested over the low hillside to the east – casting enormous shadows over the earth, as they beat their wings for altitude – they are flying very low, only a few strides above the rocky ground of Lebinthos.

They are, you realize with dread – bigger than the one you had just killed. Their wingspans must be six or or more strides in length, and they approach you at speed. One of the beasts is slightly smaller than the other, its frame slightly more delicate. A small part of your mind considers that you may have just killed these beasts’ only progeny. Worse, it’s clear that they see YOU as well – emitting horrendous, piercing shrieks and reorienting themselves mid-flight.

With no other options, you continue your sprint down towards the boats, crying out as loud as you possibly can:

“LOOK TO THE SKIES! ARCHERS AT THE READY!”

As you approach the galleys, you are incredibly relieved to see that the various crews have armed themselves for combat, and that your companions of noble heritage have prepared themselves as well. In particular, you make out a glimpse of Pollux in full panoplia astride his massive horse, Hyperion, and a figure who must be Teukros, standing atop the stern deck of Menelaus’ Spartan vessel. At once, these allies heed your words, their eyes turning towards the vault of Ουρανος – they cannot yet see the birds pursuing you, flying as low as they are to the earth. Pollux, to his credit, immediately begins charging out to you, Hyperion churning through the loose sand of the beach – with luck, he’ll be able to defend you as you make your approach!

>cont
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Rolled 18, 6, 15, 6, 19, 19, 15, 15, 9 = 122 (9d20)

>Okay, /qst/ - this is a sprint roll just like the footrace in Delos, but this time, you’re racing flying birds. I need THREE rolls of dice+1d20+1.

>Degrees of success matter here! I’m rolling for the male bird, female bird, and for Pollux on Hyperion (huge bonus to sprinting speed for Pollux, obviously). Male bird = +6 bonus, Female bird = +10 bonus, Pollux (+7 bonus, horsemanship roll)
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Rolled 20 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5766313
Nike bless our legs!
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Rolled 15 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5766313
Run Nikandros Run!

>>5766319
Good shit
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Rolled 12 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5766313
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>>5766319
>>5766322
>>5766323

Nicely done anons, next update for 1-2pm EST
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Looking at the speed of those birds, I think the main takeaway from this encounter is that hurling a spear is a good way to deal with high DEX opponents.
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>>5766313
>>5766319
>>5766322

Here's a tally of rolls.

>Male bird: 24 (one success against Nikon)
>Female bird: 29 (two degrees of success against Nikon)
>Pollux: 22 (he closes on Nikon very quickly on horseback)
>Nikandros: 21

Also, I need one last roll of dice+1d24 for Nikandros' combat. 24 = something good

>>5766340

An insightful comment, anon...
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Rolled 2 (1d24)

>>5766365
Lucky 7!
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Rolled 23 (1d24)

>>5766365
bigger number better fight
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Rolled 22 (1d24)

>>5766366
>>5766367
fuck! So close!
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>>5766366
Terrible roll!
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Rolled 67 (1d77)

Maybe if we pray to Athos?
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Rolled 6 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

Your sandaled feet fly across the dusty earth, pulled along by Deimos, daimon of terror – no man would ever call you silver-footed, but with two divine monsters at your back, you don’t think – you just RUN. As your legs flash down the hillside, you pick up momentum as the beach rises into view; you careen wildly, but manage to keep your footing as you accelerate. Your strides lengthen, and you seem to glide across the rough terrain rather than plod across it, as is your normal experience. A taste of what Teukros experienced on his return from Mount Cynthus!

Sparing a glance behind you – the smaller of the two beasts is straining hard against the wind, beating its brown wings rapidly, speeding closer to you. Its long and curved beak is open, and its whitened tongue waggling grotesquely. It will be diving at you in only a matter of moments! The larger of the two beasts seems to be heavier, unable to keep up, despite its’ enormous wingspan.

From the beach, you hear an indistinct shout – Pollux astride Hyperion, the immortal horse already halfway to your location. He’s yelling something, but between your pounding heartbeat in your eyes, the screeching of the eagles behind you – you cannot make out what he’s saying. In the distance, you see Teukros leap off the stern deck of the galley, and begin sprinting across the sand himself.

Looking back to Pollux, you see that his spear is raised, and he has adopted a throwing stance atop his horse – but it’s insanity to cast a spear from horseback at this distance!

You watch in amazement as Pollux releases, and his spear flashes over your right shoulder – turning to look, you’re stunned to see that his cast was successful, striking the closest beast where its right wing meets its torso; black blood instantly soaking through the feathers of its breast. It releases a horrendous cry, wobbling in the air, but quickly rights itself – it’s managed to stay aloft, and stretching out its talons, dives at your neck as you sprint away!

>okay players, give me a dice+1d20+1 for initiative!
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>>5766480

Kek - you scared me with that 1d2, anon. Try again!
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Rolled 10 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5766479
>>5766480
sorry>>5766480
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Rolled 19 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5766479
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What do we do in the event of a tie?
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>>5766479
>>5766482

a draw should still be in the player favour right?
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Rolled 13 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5766479
>Nikon arrives near Troy. He wants to go on a walk. Que to everyone trying to restrain him and shouting that he will find a a hydra at this rat.
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>>5766479

I’ve just caught up on this, looking good! I was present during the Trojan War quest under Homer, glad to see it live on.

But yes, I’m sure Nikon is going to gain some mesure of renown for his… Enthusiastic walks.
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Rolled 6, 8, 7, 20, 15, 9 = 65 (6d20)

>>5766482
>>5766479

>Nikon wins the tie per the original TWQ rules that Homer developed - 11 vs 11

>>5766490
Happy to have you aboard, anon - all are welcome!

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In the split-second you have to react, you spin, stumbling backwards downhill but keeping your footing, the pitiless bronze of your spearpoint high. You can use the beast's momentum against it! The creature, realizing it's error, begins flapping to slow its approach, but it's too late to arrest its course - it's only given you additional time to make the first strike!

You find your footing at the last moment, and launch a spear-thrust forwards!

>Okay, folks, give me THREE rolls of dice+2d20 to determine Nikon's attack success. His to-hit bonus is +1 and his wound bonus is +6 per his stats.
>I'm rolling for the avian monstrosity, first set of three dice are dodge, second set is block - please note that the modifiers are already different given that this is a new round of combat (and Nikon is smart enough to know that the bird has divine regen like its child) - the bird's dodge bonus is now +8 (yes, really) and it's block bonus is +4.
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Rolled 20, 12 = 32 (2d20)

>>5766492
I wonder if these taste like chicken.
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Rolled 8, 17 = 25 (2d20)

>>5766492
>>5766494
we will find out
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Rolled 1, 8, 2, 13, 4, 9, 18, 16, 6, 19, 14, 20, 13, 17, 5, 16, 17, 4, 10, 5, 3 = 220 (21d20)

>>5766492
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Rolled 18, 10 = 28 (2d20)

>>5766506
Fuck
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>we hit the bird
>we hurt the bird
Nikandros HATES flying creatures, apparently.
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>Nikon rolls a 21, 23 vs a 16, 24
>Nikon connects but just narrowly fails to wound, sad!

Your spear flashes out at the beast, but impossibly, the flying monster's leftmost talons leap out to grasp your spear-haft in the middle of the strike, using your spear as leverage to avoid the attack! The bird is heavy, but for a man of your incredible strength, your failed spearthrust now serves to launch the creature back into the air – and with several mighty wingbeats, blasting you with horrid stench, it takes flight once more, wheeling over your head and parallel to the beach. Your head whips around to track as it flies, and in the middle distance, you see Teukros stopping his sprint on the wet sands to take aim against the creature, his father’s bow raised into the air – a difficult shot from such a distance.

Pollux, leaping off his horse beside you and sending his steed back to Castor, enters a combat stance, brazen shield at the ready and sword in hand, says to you – “Forget the little one, Nikandros! Look ahead!"

The greater of the two monsters is undaunted by the retreat of its companion – swooping down on you with talons raised, its wings must be seven strides in diameter. You brace yourself, holding your father's bronze high and again, have only a splint second to react!

>first vote wins!

>throw spear now
>keep spear and enter melee combat
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>>5766530
>keep spear and enter melee combat
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>>5766530
>throw spear now
Yeeet
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Rolled 6 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5766532

You brace yourself, resisting the urge to throw your spear at the first opportunity - in your peripheral vision, you sense rather than see Pollux wheeling out to your left, setting himself up for an ambush against the creature's side.

You meet the divine monster's blazing orange eyes as it opens its talons, careening at you!

>okay, folks - roll for initiative! I need a dice+1d20+1, beat my roll!
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Rolled 9 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5766538
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Rolled 11 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5766538
I realized my eyes are shit, I was confused why we didn't wound, I read the +4 as +3, whoops.

I wonder where the other heroes are. It wouldn't surprise me if Odysseus was hanging back. Palamedes is totally hiding in the ship though. Castor may be on his way, Menelaus and Ajax are probably with the soldiers and sailors, leading them forward, or holding position? I wonder I wonder.
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>>5766538

>Nikon and friends kill the birds and celebrate

Artemis comes up
>why did you kill my birds! they were just chilling eating fish and pirates!

>Artemis curses them to fail in their negotiation to Troy

>Nikon the birdslayer gets two birds with one stone
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Rolled 13, 6, 17, 7, 17, 15 = 75 (6d20)

>>5766539

>10 vs 12 - uh oh

>>5766540

four seconds too slow, anon.

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>Okay guys, say your prayers for Nikon here. I need THREE rolls of dice+2d20. His dodge bonus is +1 and his block bonus is +5 (his CON, plus bronze panoplia = +5).

>I'm rolling for the Father-Monster. First set of dice for to-hit, and the second set is for wounding. To-hit bonus = +6, and wound bonus = +5

>Please be aware that Nikon CAN die here if things go south.
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>>5766541
Truly the hero that fails upwards.
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Rolled 8, 10 = 18 (2d20)

>>5766545
NIke!
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Rolled 20, 3 = 23 (2d20)

>>5766545
bruh, I don't want to die to birds. Stop rolling high on both sets.
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Rolled 12, 15 = 27 (2d20)

>>5766545
fuck birds goddamn
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Pollux, PLEASE help, you're standing right there! Fuck.
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>>5766545

We have yet to take real damage!
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>>5766550
>>5766552
>>5766553

>Nikon rolls a 21,20 against a 23, 22.
>not good enough

OKAY EVERYONE. I would like to be CRYSTAL CLEAR:

Nikon MAY die on this next roll - it is incredibly possible that this bird's attack deals 10 damage and kills Nikon outright. This quest ends with his death.

However - Nikon also has ONE (1) banked re-roll from his meeting with the deity on Delos. Now would be an excellent time to consider using it. Given the impact of this decision, I'm making this a true vote and it will end at 8pm EST tonight.

>make your choice, choose your destiny. Lurkers, now would be a great time to chime in with your decision.

>Burn Nikon's banked re-roll for a new set of 2d20s? Nikon needs to roll a 17 or higher to successfully block the giganto-bird's attack outright.

>Trust in Nikon's divine regeneration and risk death and disfigurement by keeping the re-roll banked for now.
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>>5766562
>Burn Nikon's banked re-roll for a new set of 2d20s? Nikon needs to roll a 17 or higher to successfully block the giganto-bird's attack outright.
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>>5766562
ugh. i feel like we may get better odds having you reroll instead...

even i'm not sure i can save nikon but it feels better to use it than not.
so i vote yes.
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>>5766562
Well, what does the bird roll for damage? d6? Here I was hoping it'd be rolling a d4 since bird weapons aren't really all that good at hurting people. Alas.

But also when does Pollux roll? He is standing beside us and the bird has closed to melee, shouldn't he also get an initiative or attack roll? Come to think of it, we never did get a chance to see how multiple heroes engaging singular targets would work. when Homer was in charge.

>Burn Nikon's banked re-roll for a new set of 2d20s? Nikon needs to roll a 17 or higher to successfully block the giganto-bird's attack outright.
I don't see us winning this roll, anyway. And we should probably just roll a d20 instead, considering we simply cannot beat its to-hit.
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>>5766573

Pollux is basically waiting to ambush the creature from the side, once it’s attack round concludes. Teukros is shooting at the other bird, and the other heroes are basically marshaling the defense of the boats. Ultimately, Nikandros is expendable to the greater mission - you’ll notice that his two best friends were the ones who charged out to help.

Ambush attacks provide a significant -5 malus to the defender’s dodge and block, and negate any weapon reach penalties from the attacker. Pollux will be attacking at close range with his sword. Assuming that Nikon doesn’t have his throat ripped out, he’d have the opportunity to either retreat entirely from combat, or launch his own ambush against the bird while its wrangling with Pollux.

As to the math - Nikon has a 38% chance to block the attack if he burns his re-roll, which is certainly not worthless.
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>>5766584

Actually I made a typo - ~49% chance of Nikon beating the block DC. I was calculating (0.15x0.15x0.15) rather than the correct (0.2x0.2x0.2)
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>>5766584
>Nikon has a 38% chance to block the attack if he burns his re-roll
>mfw
Come on man, our luck is fucking awful. As should be evident from the number of times something is rolled that sets a DC which is actually impossible to beat.

If we survive this, I'm going to bitch at the entire crew minus Pollux, Teukros and Castor. Unmanly asses won't even come out to fight birds. The fuck you guarding ships for, the birds ain't gonna eat the things. Ass clowns. Castor will probably come out to help his brother, at least. I want to make a remark so scathing they take kleos damage. I want Odysseus to come out and try to talk shit back just to get told we will fuck him to death because of how much of a bitch he is.
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>>5766562

>Trust in Nikon's divine regeneration and risk death and disfigurement by keeping the re-roll banked for now.

Live fast die young
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Can we use the reroll for determining damage? I feel that is more important.
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>>5766562
>Trust in Nikon's divine regeneration and risk death and disfigurement by keeping the re-roll banked for now.

We're not going to hit the dc. Hell, we rolled the greatest possible result for a dodge and it still wouldn't've worked out, and I don't see it being any better for a block reroll. Hitting a 17 or higher? No way.
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>>5766562
>>5766620
Actually, I take it back. Clearly this will be solved by a ritual. Disregard this last vote, I need to go appease Nike.

Switching to
>Burn Nikon's banked re-roll for a new set of 2d20s? Nikon needs to roll a 17 or higher to successfully block the giganto-bird's attack outright.
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Here is the language from thread one regarding the auger trait.

Mechanically, you can perform a sacrifice to store 1 all-purpose reroll/save at a time. There is no theoretical limit on how many times per-thread this ability can be activated. Additionally, at significant narrative moments when birds appear you may roll to gain some supernatural understanding of the matter at hand.)

Technically, that all-purpose reroll its an all-purpose save as well. Can we not then burn it to take minimal damage?

But if not then I say we take the hit and hope our armor keeps us alive.
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>>5766616
That, is actually a really fucking good question.
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>>5766626

This is most certainly a narrative moment involving birds we could gain some supernatural understanding from as well.
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Rolled 9 (1d20)

The cake has been sacrificed, with pomegranates this time. Rolling for Nikes favor.
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>>5766635
ALL IS LOST. NIKON DIES TODAY
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For our next level up I say we put points into agility and constitution.
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>>5766639
We should just conmax
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>>5766639
I say fuck Agi go full CON. Especially since once we get above a certain threshold (I think it was 17 or 18?) you start getting 2 points of bonus per stat point instead of 1. So 24 is like twice as good at 20 or something.

We just have to not die. I'm starting to get really frustrated at the number of things out here that can one-shot us though, ngl. So I have to go with con just so that they can't. Fuck em.
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>>5766626

Sure, this hadn’t occurred to me (use the free reroll on the damage roll), but consider that the bird is very dangerous and even a poor damage roll on the bird’s part could seriously fuck Nikon up, even if it doesn’t kill him outright.

So what I’ll do is:

>run the “reroll block” vote until 8pm
>I’ll have a player roll for the birds damage for transparency
>run another “Reroll damage” vote that will conclude at 8am EST
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Rolled 15 (1d20)

>>5766649
Thank you!
My vote is to take the hit since we are not going to reroll a 17 or better. Rolling to see how well we will take the hit.
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>>5766652

No problem.

Although again, if I’m calculating the probabilities right, there’s a 49% chance that the players get a 17 or higher on another set of Bo3 block rolls.
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Rolled 18, 9, 16 = 43 (3d20)

>>5766657
Let's try it out.
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>>5766649
Yeah I'd rather take the hit and reroll damage. All we have to do is get hit with a 4 or less. Which I hope you're not giving these birds a d10 or some crazy shit for damage. Fair warning, I am going to complain after all of this is said and done. Just gripes. About these fucking birds. Because I am a loretard.
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>>5766657
what anons got wrong and so did i is that you said a reroll which implies a singular roll.

instead what you're offering is another Bo3 rolls
which i urge anons to consider since it's a very good deal.
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>>5766649
>>5766660
My theory is that it will be a 1d5 or 1d6 + the bird's strength bonus, which I'm guessing will be around a 4.
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>>5766663
The bird's strength bonus is +5. The to-wound bonus is typically the same as the str modifier. Unless of course the bird has different modifiers to exemplify that they have extreme AP capabilities or something. I'm just unsure what they are rolling, specifically.
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>>5766665
Well in that case I still think we should save our reroll for taking the hit. considering we have ten hp and our bronze spear does 1d5 damage all we have to do is not roll a 5 and we survive. That is of course assuming the hit will bypass armor which I believe it will.
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>>5766679
And that the base damage roll will be a 1d5.
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>>5766562
>Burn Nikon's banked re-roll for a new set of 2d20s? Nikon needs to roll a 17 or higher to successfully block the giganto-bird's attack outright.
Never trust the wilderness in this quest is a certified signed ticket for death or wounds. Most of the time its not worthed, especially with Nik and Deianira being at low skills and having a few traits since we are in not even the early part of the war.
Get them good, not death.

Nikandros will need to be very lucky to avoid wounds this time. If they happen prepare for more infirmary time. It would be quite bad if he is wounded again since we need him fully healed and ready, for make sure a war happens when we arrive in Troy.
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>>5766729
*dead

Now the saving grace would be if we pass the rolls, that the rest of the heroes move for aid us, but big fucking eagles out of nowhere is quite surprising for anyone. The fight is passing in moments afterall, i wouldn't expect most of them to be prepared at all. They were likely all chilling or having their meal.
If there is a next time, ask someone to go with us. Easy to do, builds up our social relation with them and in case of combat we can use more tactics than alone.
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>>5766729
I wouldn't worry about healing. Our regen means that we heal wounds at an alarming rate. The concussion notwithstanding. Since our broken ribs healed over the course of a day or two.

Though that does raise another question, how the fuck does anyone get long-term wounds like a concussion since it required us to go to "death" to get and that was in a (apparently not) friendly spar. Weird.
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>>5766760
Well, when you have a demigod repeatedly pounding your skull in, you get one.
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Man things got real bad. I think we should’ve thrown the spear.
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>>5766765
No man I mean to say that long-term wounds just don't happen because you'd just fucking die. So how is anyone expected to get them, you know?
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>>5766649
I'll vote for whatever option has the higher chance to keep Nikon alive, I'm not a math guy.
>>5766729
>Never trust the wilderness in this quest
I've been saying that this entire thread, I feel like Cassandra.
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>>5766780
>I've been saying that this entire thread, I feel like Cassandra.
Huh what? What are you babbling about? Someone needs to lay off the wine! Silly hero.

For real though, I just wanted to chat with Memelord so we could manipulate him better. I feel you, brother. Alas anons cannot resist the mystery box. Like water in front of a drowning man. Or his own mother in front of chris-chan.
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>>5766562
>Burn Nikon's banked re-roll for a new set of 2d20s? Nikon needs to roll a 17 or higher to successfully block the giganto-bird's attack outright.
Grim
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>>5766760

Ah, well - I think Homer took some pains to explain that “fast healing” doesn’t mean “perfect healing”. Pollux has cauliflower ears IIRC and Nikon has a crooked nose from earlier in life.
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>>5766794
I wonder if Lesches will re-start trojan war quest from chargen if Nikon dies, or the side quest becomes the main quest
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>>5766810
I'd consider those scars rather than wounds though, right? Like I don't see battle damage specifically causing long term wounds. Nira has the bum ankle but that wasn't a "the water daimon delivers a rocket fast low kick to your ankle, take 4 damage and now you have a limp", it was a contextual injury. We don't seem to have a mortal wound system or an injury system.

>>5766812
>restart the quest
>immediately roll up another divine blood giant character with tactical genius
>suddenly feel the stone falling back down the hill
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>>5766819
One must imagine Nikandros happy.
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>>5766562
>>5766620
>>5766623
Switching yet again, to
>Trust in Nikon's divine regeneration and risk death and disfigurement by keeping the re-roll banked for now.

Would rather reroll damage than reroll dodge.
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Burn re-roll

>>5766566
>>5766570
>>5766729
>>5766801

Take a chance

>>5766612
>>5766620
>>5766652
>>5766660 (seems like you changed your mind but never changed your vote??)

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Okay guys, this vote was quite difficult to tally because there were multiple people vote-switching (sometimes multiple times) and not everyone backlinked their posts or clearly used the greentexts from my vote post. From my tally, though - it seems that the vote is deadlocked 4-4. In the interest of moving things along, I will roll a d2 to determine whether Nikon uses his re-roll now for another set of Bo3 block rolls. 1 = burn re-roll, 2 = no burn.
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Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>5766954

Forgot the actual roll
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>>5766957

Tyche has spoken - Nikon will burn his re-roll now for another set of block rolls.

Players, give me THREE rolls of dice+1d20+5!
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Rolled 16 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5766959
Go Nikon Go!
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Rolled 14 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5766959
Shit!
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We are still going to take this hit!
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Rolled 19 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5766959
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Rolled 17 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5766959
Thanks, Tyche, you fucking CUNT
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>>5766971
>>5766972
Fuck! That was too close!
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Holy shit I've been gone all day and this was still stressful as hell. This quest is going to give me a heart attack.
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>>5766963
>>5766967
>>5766971

All’s well that ends well, anons. Update tomorrow!

QM’s note - I am also pretty fucking relieved. I don’t want to write out Nikon’s death anytime soon
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>>5766971
Thank God.
Not even going to lba greek larp this time, this was way too close.
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>>5766981
I'd be very bitter if we got oneshotted by a jumped-up bird in a random encounter before even reaching Troy. How did humanity even survive the LBA?
In any case, I think we might have learned a lesson here about biting off more than we can chew.
Naaaaah, who am I kidding? We don't learn.
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This whole ass ordeal has me sitting here like a sad fuckin' jester. My bones hurt. Thank fucking god.

Now everyone, channel your stress into coming up with the most offensive and hurtful remarks toward the rest of the crew. Since apparently they have better things to do than aid their compatriots. Which now that I'm thinking about it, Nikon is probably the single best person to have on your side because of his sympathetic trait means he'll actually give a shit about you just in general instead of simply as an asset like how most heroes and kings view those around them. A very dangerous quality to have in a war, but one everyone is thankful for when a six and a half foot tall muscle man dropkicks a giant snake or superior warrior off of you.

It hurts to be the little guy. Despite being the second biggest guy.
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>>5766988
Maybe we should tell Castor and Pollux to tie us down during our downtime so we stop going on hikes.
The wilderness hates Nikon, always tripping at divine beings left and right. If I didn't know any better, I would say that Pan has it out for our family.
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>>5766989
>"None of you are getting any of the Hippomedion Chicken Wings™."
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>>5766988
>>5766990
These fucking birds. I got words about them. And for them. Though I wonder if Pollux or Teukros is going to let us go off on our own from here on. It'd be pretty funny to have them insist we are babysat as we wander around.

>>5766992
>[menelaus' fat gut's horrific screams of agony]
I gotta wonder now, how these birds taste. With their nasty shit and black burning blood they probably actually taste really bad. Are we gonna try and eat them anyway? Absolutely.
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>>5766994
>nikon miraculously survives getting mogged by giant semi-divine birds
>insists on cooking and eating them
>their flesh is toxic
>fucking dies lmao
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>>5767001
And THAT is how real men do. Odysseus would kill himself knowing he will never be half as much a man as we. Ajax would piss himself and walk into the sea, never to be seen again. Menelaus would write off going to get his wife back, when Nikon the now dead obviously deserved her. Palamedes would strike himself blind and remove his tongue, for he refuses to look upon a world laid bare in it's bitchified unglory, nor speak of the shame in his heart in admitting how much better Nikon was. Castor would put down his bow and pick up a plow. Pollux would weep for months unceasing, cursing Artemis and her fucking chickens. And Teukros, poor Teukros would be emboldened by our final will and become the true gigachad for the ages and singlehandedly unite all of Greece under his banner for his fallen friend's memory..

As all should be.
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>>5766981
Just got back from the race in Bristol. Was lurking on the ride home and holy crap that was stressful.
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>>5766981
I love this quest because of how high stakes it can get like this.

A question, Lesches, but are decisions like throwing a spear always going to be a split second one?
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>>5767114
>A question, Lesches
I don't know why but that reminded me of this. My brain is mush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtjFsQBuJWw
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And in case I miss any early votes tomorrow, strongly consider falling back to the shore. And bring Pollux and Teukros back as well. Consolidation just keeps us all safer. Though I don't know how viable it is if we're too far away. Those are questions for you guys to ask.
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>>5766967
>>5766971
>>5766972

>Nikon rolls an amended 21, 24 against a 23,22
>He has burned his gifted re-roll from Delos!

As the beast hurtles towards you, heat blossoms within your chest - for a split-second, you are back by the sacred waters of Delos, before the swans, and a daimon who is pretending to be Andros is grinning at you. That same warmth, bursting within your chest, spills down your limbs, as time seems to be slow.

You see every hoary feather of the enormous beast, every pale scar of battle seared onto the leathery hide of its' feet, every imperfection and chip alongside its brazen spear-like beak and talons.

In a flash of recognition - you realize that you have seen this moment in your dreams! The wings, the darting talons piercing your bronze armor and penetrating your viscera, the beak jabbing at your throat. You know exactly where this strikes will fall!

At this last moment - you bring your shield low, the bronze disc guarding your lower abdomen, and with your spear, you flip it horizontally and push it outwards - to catch the beasts' neck and keep its beak from diving downwards at the vulnerable meat of your neck - a bizarre action that you've never made previously - but then - nothing like this has ever happened to you!

Bracing, the awful creatures smashes into you, heaving that you can believe, but your sandals are wedged firmly in the earth - your mass working in your favor as the creature's attacks are stymied by your unyielding defense - it's talons scrabble and scratch against your shield fruitlessly and with your spearhaft denying it freedom of movement, its beak darts at the air above your horse-hair crest. It's a desperate few seconds, but then - Pollux strikes! He silently darts behind the flapping wings of the creature, and you see him leap at the beast with his sword high in a stabbing attack!

You can't see Pollux, as you desperately hold off the beast's attack - but you hear him cry out victoriously as you hear the unmistakable sounds of a blade penetrating flesh. The beast begins writhing in agony above you, and you see sprays of black blood being emitted with its coughing cries - desperately wounded, the beast abandons its assault on you, folding its wings awkwardly, keeling in agony, and whirls on Pollux, who backs away quickly. Black blood drenches its back, soaking its legs and claws - Pollux clearly drove his blade into its flesh multiple times.

>Pollux has drawn first blood and has significantly wounded the beast, and Nikon has a decision to make! First vote wins!

>Charge at the beast and attempt to deliver the killing blow! Seriously wounded, you'll never have a better chance to slay the creature. This will trigger new initiative rolls for Nikon, the bird, and Pollux, and a new round of melee combat.

>Abandon Pollux and flee to the boats! You only narrowly avoided disembowelment at the hands of the damned thing...better not to risk it again!
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>>5767199
>Charge at the beast and attempt to deliver the killing blow! Seriously wounded, you'll never have a better chance to slay the creature. This will trigger new initiative rolls for Nikon, the bird, and Pollux, and a new round of melee combat.

As if there was any other choice? Also, time for me to shill slings again. Imagine how much we could fuck up these birds by blasting chunks out of their torsos with rocks while they attempt to fly at Nikon in vain. Having ranged options is incredibly powerful in this combat system.
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>Charge at the beast and attempt to deliver the killing blow! Seriously wounded, you'll never have a better chance to slay the creature. This will trigger new initiative rolls for Nikon, the bird, and Pollux, and a new round of melee combat.
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Rolled 20, 2 = 22 (2d20)

>>5767205

You cast aside the momentary urge to flee - you can't possibly abandon Pollux when you have a chance at an ambushing strike. You charge at the wounded back of the creature, cutting bronze point of your spear at the ready!

>okay anons, give me a dice+1d20+1 for Nikon's initiative
>I'm rolling a d20 for the bird with a +0 bonus, and for Pollux with a +3 bonus.
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Rolled 4 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5767210
Hilarious.
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>>5767210
How the hell is this bird so strong? There has to be some narrative explanation.
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>>5767210
>20
I want off Charon's wild ride
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>>5767210
Lol
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>>5767210
Bird, dont kill us!
F U Bird
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>>5767210
you said ambushing strike so the birds attention is on pollux then, so we're not in immediate danger?

gotta give it to Pollux for his consistency in rolling lowest in the initiative always.
should probably give him a trait for it.

(if he survives that is...)
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Rolled 17, 19, 12, 2, 2, 3, 16, 4, 16, 12, 1, 7 = 111 (12d20)

>>5767212

> is there a narrative explanation?

Yes, the diplomatic party will have some theories about this once the encounter is over.

Also, the roll bonuses for the bird are a little deceiving because of the extra strong divine regeneration trait that it has.

>>5767233

Correct, Nikon is now in the ambush position and is out of immediate danger; now Pollux must contend with the divine chicken. To you point about Pollux being slow in initiative rolls - takes a lot to quicken the heartbeat of an Argonaut and son of Zeus. This is still just a pleasant evening hike for Pollux…

Unfortunately I won’t be able to post another update until later tonight EST but I’ll roll out in the open for the bird’s to-hit (currently +1), wound (currently +2) and Pollux’s dodge/block (currently +3/+7). First set of 3 dice = bird to-hit, next set = bird wound, next = Pollux dodge, and next set = Pollux block. Pollux has pretty good armor, you’ll notice.
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>>5767240
>Bird to hit: 20
>Bird to wound: 5
>Pollux dodge: 19
>Pollux block: 19

That living nugget is on crack, holy shit.
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>>5767250
It’s real mad that it’s child got killed by a concussed man with a rock
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>>5766988
I don't honestly, monsters are not easy pickings here. Either they die or you die, and they have no problems in slaughtering common humans or heroes alike. There is no few description of them that doesn't mention bones of men and their weapons and gear left there on the ground.

>>5766989
chilling crew
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Rolled 18, 18, 15, 7, 15, 9 = 82 (6d20)

The bird moves unbelievably fast across the ground, darting forwards against Pollux with enormous strides, spraying black blood and loose pebbles from its talons as it advances. The creature is taller than you are, its head bobbing erratically as it charges - Pollux, wide-eyed in surprise, desperately wheels backwards and to the right, in a large arc.

Your own charge peters out as the bird maneuvers rapidly out of range, and you do your best to re-orient, keeping yourself behind the back of the avian titan.

Pollux has his shield raised – sword-point held precisely in a warror’s stance, as he retreats in a controlled fashion – but he's still moving too slow! The bird’s head whips forward violently in a rapid series of stabbing attacks, but Pollux’s previous wounding has either damaged its musculature or its resolve – there’s no real killing power behind the bird’s strikes, but they’re enough to keep Pollux turning in a broad arc as he steps backwards, catching the spearlike beak on his shield time after time – the crashing sound of bronze on bronze.

“Feel free to step in at any time, Nikandros!” Pollux screams at you, and you redouble your efforts to catch the beast as you circle forwards.

As you reposition, the beach rotates back into view – you see Teukros taking aim with his bow once more, and following his gaze, you see that he’s managed to bring down the fleeing avian with his previous shot – a masterful stroke that you’re disappointed you had missed. The crews are assembled into tight phalanxes for protection – a gigantic figure that can only be Ajax is directing them. A stocky man with flowing hair that can only Odysseus is sprinting across the sands towards the beast that Teukros brought down – no doubt hoping to deal the coup de grace before Teukros claims the kill with his father’s bow. Palamedes and Menelaus - you can’t spot in the momentary glimpse of the shoreline.

As for Castor, you see him leaping astride black Hyperion with bow in hand, kicking furiously – the enormous stallion launches forward in your direction! You’re relieved to see that reinforcements are en route – Castor will be within bow range in only seconds.

As for yourself, the moment is here! – the bird’s assault against Pollux has slowed, and you’re able to resume your driving thrust at the beast’s hunched body, its enormous wings folded up over its wounds. You leap ahead, sandaled feet driving against the earth of this cursed island, and drive your spear point directly in the beast’s back!

>Okay, players – give me three rolls of dice+2d20 to gank this turkey. Nikon’s to-hit is +1, his wound bonus is +6.
>I’m rolling for the divine bird of prey – first set of three dice is for dodge, second set of dice is for block. The bird’s current bonii are dodge (-5) and block (-2). Please note that I’m applying the ambush penalty (-5/-5) to the bird’s rolls.
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Rolled 7, 13 = 20 (2d20)

>>5767429
fucking hell those birds can duck and weave better then Mohammed Ali
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Rolled 13, 16 = 29 (2d20)

>>5767429
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Rolled 3, 14 = 17 (2d20)

>>5767429
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>>5767432
>>5767434
>>5767442

>Nikon rolls a 14,22 against a 13,13
>not the most accurate spearthrust but who cares when you’re a man-mountain hoping to impale a bird bigger than you are

Okay fellas - roll me a dice+1d5+6 - there’s a chance that Nikon kills the mythic poultry outright here.

I’ll write up the update later tonight!
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Rolled 3 + 6 (1d5 + 6)

>>5767445
+6 boost, yeah that bird should be dead or incapacitated.
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>>5767449
Please be enough, I'm tired of these foul fowl
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>>5767449
Looks decent
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Just popping in while I have the chance to say fuck these birds. But also I had went back and checked on how stat progression worked, just as a refresher for everyone here if they forgot or never saw it


>10-11: +0
>12-13: +1
>14: +2
>15: +3
>16: +4
>17: +5
>18: +6
>19: +8
>20: +10
>20+: +2 more per point

Thread one, post #5591945 bout halfway through the thread. There are also various build proposals throughout the thread if anyone is interested.
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>>5767511
>There are also various build proposals
But are they P E R F E C T?
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>>5767515
The only perfect build is Polypharmakos + Polymechanos + Chosen by Hephaestus + Autism
Who needs politics and fighting when you can just build a tank?
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>>5767515
>>5767522
There are only two perfect builds. One is MAXIMUM SEER, and Turbo-autist with max WILL. The seer for obvious reasons. And the autist because he will never take kleos damage from all the faux pas he pulls with his autism while simultaneously causing everyone around him psychic damage with his unstoppable inanities.

My only serious suggestion for builds to avoid being perfectbuildfag and souring everyone's mood is to not worry too much about catching up with other heroes stat-wise. Shore up our defensive stats a little and then lean into our strengths. Don't worry about running with Swift-Footed Achilles or orating with Silver-Tongued Odysseus. You'll just frustrate yourself.
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>>5767530
Mine was a shitpost as well, don't worry.
I want to go down on the con and str line to chuck even larger boulders at rivers.
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>>5767530
>>5767533

I would just add that Nikon is still very early in his character development and with ~10 stat points plus tier 0 traits at level 3 and level 5, he has a LOT of room for development.

If you guys are careful with your build, you could easily become comparable to Ajax or Diomedes, or become a beefier, militarized knockoff version of Odysseus
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>>5767596
Let us be the guy everybody thinks is only but at fighting but is secretly profiteering throughout the entire war.
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>>5767604
Also, let's collect secret knowledge in our travels, learn to read, and actually write shit down.
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>>5767596
Speaking of traits reminded me of a video that got recommended to me out of the blue. So this guy is trying to use an axe, and a couple of times he just skirts off of the target with minimal damage. That is actually a good representation of attacking without a weapon proficiency/training trait. Hitting correctly is just as important as hitting hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHaseE-YBuw

This is the video in question. Which is pretty applicable since we could expect to see similar stuff from Egyptians and even Hittites in battle later. Sadly we do not have a car door to use as a shield.

Also about traits, gib the pollux wrangler trait. Which traits can we get through consistent action and performance that don't require a level-up to get? Something like literacy would be a matter of constant practice rather than "okay you unlocked it, now buy it" right?
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>>5767614
>the pollux wrangler trait
>The monkey's paw curls
>Nikon is now the babysitter for Zeus' bastards desperately trying to prevent them from being lil shits
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>>5767614

Ah, well, I had envisioned that most of the tier 1 and 2 traits from Homer’s chargen could be watered down into applicable Tier 0 traits. Some of the major characters of the Iliad have unique Tier 0 traits that Nikon could acquire if he is lucky and makes friends with the right people. “Free” traits are hard to come by - I gave Deianira a free trait in my sidestory quest because there was a nat 100 followed by additional crits, etc etc.

“Greek Literacy” would be paired down version of “Literate” from Homer’s chargen, for example, and Nikandros would have to learn this trait from the relevant person. Nikandros already knows one or two people who could tutor him.

Anyways I will engage in some QM handwaviness - so if Nikon buys a trait, he’ll will have been working towards this all along, etc etc
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>>5767614
i had forgotten that mechanic, must have suppressed it in the middle of Homer's final moments
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>>5767623
>he gives us a free eagle for doing such a good job all the time
>it smokes cigars

>>5767638
I just figure there has to be some traits that you simply can't buy but can still acquire, like the (dis)favored traits. I still can't believe Nira bullied the night like that.

>>5767639
You will work hard for your right to pay for it, slave! kek
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You catch the beast awkwardly – your spear connecting lower than you intended, and through its left lower back, rather than the center. Instead of withdrawing the shaft, you drive forwards, smashing your spearpoint through the beasts’ guts, knocking it off its feet! You continue to strain, driving the bronze edge through the beast entirely, and piercing the ground beneath – the creature flops bonelessly against the rocky earth, its wings spilling out above it. There’s a long pause as you regard the motionless creature…but there’s no sign of movement. It is dead.

Pollux stands above the fallen beast’s head, breathing heavily – he meets your eye with a devil-may-care grin, his skullcap and face speckled with the beast’s black blood.

“Driving Nikandros – your timing needs work…But I’m beginning to think that meeting you was my good fortune – I haven’t had this much excitement since Castor and I kidnapped Aethra from Athens.” He leans on his shield, adopting a more casual stance, regarding you frankly.

Castor, riding up on Hyperion, is late to arrive – he calls out to Pollux:

“Brother, are you unharmed? Have you touched the –“

Before the dark-haired Dioscuri can finish his statement, the beast’s head springs off the earth, and with one final desperate act of vengeance, its beak rockets towards Pollux’s undefended abdomen! There’s a bronze blur – and you see that Pollux has driven his sword point deep into the beast’s braincase though its eye-socket. Castor and yourself don’t hesitate to assist him – you drive your sword through its body several more times and Castor fires not one, but two arrows into its feathery hide.

You all back away to a safe distance and count out a long minute before you all deem the creature truly dead – Pollux reapproaches to rip his blade free with a kick against the bird’s skull, and you tug at your spear until you’ve freed its from the creature’s corpse.

Castor looks at the beast, deeply disgusted, before turning his attention to you – deep creases of irritation lining his face and mouth.

“Next time, Nikandros – stay with the boats.” The sheer relief of the moment transmutes your terror from the last minute into comedy; you meet Pollux’s eye – and you both burst into laughter.

>cont
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After some convincing, the two ship crews agree to haul the bird carcasses down to the beach; weeds, scrub and stunted trees are collected to build pyres, as Nyx spreads her dusky shawl over the sky.

Castor is conferring with Odysseus upon the sands, and you eavesdrop on their conversation, along with half the men of the expedition.

“They have the look of Stymphalian birds, resourceful Odysseus – look at their beaks! We once came across them in the inhospitable waters to the north of the Troad with your father…” Odysseus shakes his head, replying:

“But Castor, look at their tremendous size! The birds that Heracles scattered from the Arcadian swamps were said to be three cubits high at the greatest; I am certain that your birds also were smaller than a man. And Stymphalians or no, their flesh is of divine providence – they count a deity amongst their ancestors, I am sure of it…”

They debate the various features of the animals, before they agree to name the beasts as “Lebinthian eagles” for ease of reference. Once this is done, a second conference occurs – regarding which gods to sacrifice the beasts to. Menelaus determines that the right of dedication should pass to the men who had slain them; as leader of the diplomatic venture and highest in noble ranking, it is his right to do so. Pollux, to no one’s surprise, determines that the greatest of the eagles should be dedicated to Zeus. Teukros, conferencing with Ajax and Odysseus, determines that the beast that he had killed (just before Odysseus could arrive for his coup de grace) shall be dedicated to Artemis Πωτνια Θερων, queen of Beasts – no one is certain whether these creatures were under her protection, but caution is warranted.

“And you, Nikandros – you did slay the smallest of them; perhaps it was the fledgling of the flock? To which deity will you dedicate your kill?” Menelaus asks.

You don’t hesitate – “Nike, Goddess of Victory, King Menelaus.” He nods in assent, but beyond him, you see Odysseus rolling his eyes. Palamedes squints at you with a confused grimace, and the sailors at large seem to be befuddled by your selection. The butchery of the creatures is swift, and from the carcasses, trophies are obtained – beaks, talons, and feathers, as the long thigh bones of the creatures roast in dedication to Zeus, Artemis and Nike.

Each of the slayers are gifted with the bronze beak of their victim – the talons are distributed as well, with the lion’s share going to Ajax and Menelaus.

>Nikon obtains a “Lebinthian Eagle’s Beak” – this bronze beak was grown, not forged. A talented bronze-worker could refashion this beak into a spear-tip – you suspect it will retain its razor-sharp edge and durability through this process.

>Nikon obtains two “Lebinthian Talons”! These might be utilized as decoration upon armor, or perhaps forged together to create a single bronze knife of particularly good quality.

>cont
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The next morning, all present are eager to leave this accursed place. No one is interested in learning if more of the winged maneaters are present, and so the galleys are in the seas almost before yellow-robed Eos appears on the horizon.

The next two days are hard sailing – the wind is almost totally absent as you reach the Calydnians, and when it does return, your galleys are now rowing against it, sheltering against the islands of the chain as you move north toward Samos. The Calydnians are something of a contested territory – with the friendly Hellenes, Phidippus and Antiphus (grandsons of Heracles who each swore the Oath of Tyndareus) to the south, and to the west, the Ionian coast – you learn from Pollux and Castor that there is a fairly large city, Miletus, where a large number of uncouth Carians live. At any rate, your northern progress through the islands is slowed by the fact that your group is forced to row under the stars – this close to the Carians, interdiction by pirates would be a certainty should the galleys sail under the illumination of daylight.

As for yourself, you spend the time as follows:

>With Ajax. You owe the man a game of petteia, and you have not capitalized on your proximity to him on this journey so far. For one, he has experience in naval command, which you find interesting, for two – the man is a student of Chiron and is probably the most skilled warrior aboard – both sets of wisdom are attractive to you!

>With Castor. You have spent little time with the lesser of Dioscuri, but it is perhaps time you rectify that. You wonder if he might have insight regarding your meeting with a deity on Delos, and you never learned from him or Pollux what message was delivered to them through a dream.

>With Pollux. You are growing to be good friends with the blonde Dioscuri, and now it is time for you to learn his opinion of the potential war. What advice can he offer? Does he lean towards peace or conflict? Learning his stance would be quite valuable.

>With Teukros. You’ve been impressed with his bilingual nature, but you’re interested in further instruction from him in the matter of archery. The man is a master – a savant! – and you should not pass up the opportunity to learn from him in this matter.

>Resting! Your head is not quite cleared – perhaps it is best that you simply lay low, sleep well and avoid trouble until you have regained your full faculties. This vote would trigger a “roll under” CON challenge to finally shed Nikon’s concussion once and for all.

>Something else I haven't thought of?
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>>5767779
>With Ajax. You owe the man a game of petteia, and you have not capitalized on your proximity to him on this journey so far. For one, he has experience in naval command, which you find interesting, for two – the man is a student of Chiron and is probably the most skilled warrior aboard – both sets of wisdom are attractive to you!
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I think Teukros probably had the easier fight since his ranged skill is absolutely inhuman and his target had already eaten a spear toss from Pollux, reducing its stats. But this makes two birds that Nikon has had a hand in slaying, one of which without assistance. Badass.

Now to complain about these birds Bruh. A roll of 6 on a d20 hardly seems fair to throw these at us. That's only a quarter away from the average roll on a d20. These birds have the giant trait and fresh olympian blood trait. For a 3 or 4 I could see it, but these birds as they are would constitute a grand quarry. The sort of hunt you'd expect a small group of heroes or a large party of hunters to seek out and kill for renown or coin. And we stumble upon them with a garbo but not atrocious roll. I wouldn't quite call them a legendary quarry but damn. One of them? Okay, it's a huge threat but it's only one. THREE? Fuckin' hell. Keeping in mind that stymphalian birds in contemporary art are depicted around the size of a man's torso, which coincides nicely with being compared to cranes. Not using the smallest of cranes for a comparison to cherry pick, nor using the largest to give credence but instead using the ones the Greeks would likely actually know, those being the common crane. Which roost a few places in Anatolia and largely in northern Africa and along the Nile. They're 40-50 inches tall. Which puts them around 3.5 to 4 feet tall. These things being Nikon sized and slightly larger makes them almost twice the height (and with the way volume scales, like eight times the weight) of a normal crane/stymphalian. And FoB doesn't give a huge boost to stature, it only won Nikon a couple of inches of height so they would totally be double dipping on these traits.

Now I know you can just handwave it and say "well these ones specifically are just bigger" but it still feels like a kick in the nuts, you know? But I will forgive you for one reason, you didn't have the fucking things using their feathers as ranged weapons which they are reputed to do. Which would have made me cry.


/overreacting rant over

Yes I understand I am pulling a Palamedes and being a huge fucking dweeb. I just really hate these birds.
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>>5767779
>>With Castor. You have spent little time with the lesser of Dioscuri, but it is perhaps time you rectify that. You wonder if he might have insight regarding your meeting with a deity on Delos, and you never learned from him or Pollux what message was delivered to them through a dream.
I feel like we've neglected him for far too long. He's an okay dude. We should hang out a bit.
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>>5767779
>With Castor. You have spent little time with the lesser of Dioscuri, but it is perhaps time you rectify that. You wonder if he might have insight regarding your meeting with a deity on Delos, and you never learned from him or Pollux what message was delivered to them through a dream.
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>>5767779
>Resting! Your head is not quite cleared – perhaps it is best that you simply lay low, sleep well and avoid trouble until you have regained your full faculties. This vote would trigger a “roll under” CON challenge to finally shed Nikon’s concussion once and for all.

GO AWAY CONCUSSION AAAAAAAAA
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>>5767779
>With Pollux. You are growing to be good friends with the blonde Dioscuri, and now it is time for you to learn his opinion of the potential war. What advice can he offer? Does he lean towards peace or conflict? Learning his stance would be quite valuable.
Can we ask Palamedes for help refashioning the eagle's beak into a spear point? He is a polymechanos and should know how to do metalworking. Unless, we need to literally melt this beak down to reforge it.
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>>5767789

I acknowledge your feedback as valid and reasonable - this was a hard encounter and it is normal to feel frustrated. I also welcome further critiques in the future!

However, please let me clarify - rolling a 1-3 on the original encounter roll would have been MUCH worse than this. I’m actually pretty happy with how the encounter turned out, since I was able to demonstrate that I will kill Nikon if he fucks up bad enough, but he came away once again with a big W and no wounds.

This quest is not about Nikon’s one-way joyride to immortality. It is about a young demigod learning that despite his considerable gifts, he is incredibly fragile and at his current level of power, he doesn’t hold a candle to some of the insanely dangerous shit out there in the LBA (and may never!)

TLDR; Nikon’s plot armor is paper thin and he WILL die if he makes bad choices.

Anyways, I appreciate the players continued interest in the quest!
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So far, for Nike, we've won the tournament on Skyros and burned a semi-divine bird for her. I hope we're getting close to a visit, but I'm a bit of a loss for what we can do next. Do we just sacrifice cattle now, or maybe a pomegranate tree? Find an even bigger bird to offer?
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>>5767816
>I also welcome further critiques in the future!
So long as they aren't REEEEEE PERFECTBUILD HISSSSS of course, kek.

I dread to see what a lower roll can be at this point. Genuinely unnerved. It's too bad the positive side isn't as extreme as the negative side. Coming across a lost/hidden treasure or friendly divinity can be just as dangerous as stumbling into a nest of adders. LBA is a nightmare.

I wonder if word will spread of these horrific creatures and the crews' flawless victory over them. Nikon has a neat little legend behind him already.

>>5767817
To earn her visit we must get the greatest victory of all. Make Odysseus admit he is wrong for some reason. The greatest of gifts for the most impossible of challenges.
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>>5767779
>With Pollux. You are growing to be good friends with the blonde Dioscuri, and now it is time for you to learn his opinion of the potential war. What advice can he offer? Does he lean towards peace or conflict? Learning his stance would be quite valuable.

Pollux is coolest dude on our boat
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>>5766963
This is me
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>>5767817
>I hope we're getting close to a visit, but I'm a bit of a loss for what we can do next. Do we just sacrifice cattle now, or maybe a pomegranate tree? Find an even bigger bird to offer?

>Nikon start to kill bigger and bigger monsters
>When he finish killing the last greek monster, he go to explore the world like dionysus, hunting in place of drinking.
>Nike send visons to make him stop, but he is so far that all Nikon receives are confusing and unintelligible messages.
>In the end the Age of Heroes end, not because there are no more heroes, but because there are no more monster for they to fight.

Oh Golden Nike, behold! I kill the last beast, I made myself useless, I defeat myself!
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Fuck
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>>5767844
>>5767845
>local hero heroes so hard all other heroes are put out of work
The logical progression of that is that Nikon goes to foreign lands to kill their demigods and heroes for attention. Thus begins the age of Nikandros, scourge of legends.
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>>5767849
Nikon must somehow get into the Mahābhārata
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>>5767849
Killing heroes is literally what Nikandros has to do
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>>5767853
>100-200 years after the fall of Troy, Nikandros sits upon his throne in Thessaly, growing old and bored
>word reaches him from the far east, the land of Ινδία, an indoi royal married to one of his far-ranging grandchildren pleads for aid
>nikandros answers the call and joins the kurukshetra war to remind the world of the splendor and power of the hellenes once again and to visit with one of his favorite grandkids again, they're still adorable to his old eyes

>>5767860
I dunno man, I think just surviving is what Nikandros needs to do lately. Nike is probably proud enough of him for that alone, considering her status as an underdog as well. But yes, you're right, wise anon. But who are we gonna kill? Which Trojan will be the first to fall before us, do you think?
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>>5767779
>>With Castor. You have spent little time with the lesser of Dioscuri, but it is perhaps time you rectify that. You wonder if he might have insight regarding your meeting with a deity on Delos, and you never learned from him or Pollux what message was delivered to them through a dream.

Talk about the dream shit, and congratulate him for keeping his cool when Apollo cheated in the tournament, not losing his mind at that moment and accept the result with grace is something that can only be admired.
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>>5767863
Honestly, given that we're a bunch of Greek soldiers on ships in the Mediterranean any foreign settlement is fair game. The first thing Odysseus did after sailing away from Troy was sacking a random city for shits and giggles. Maybe we'll get lucky and run into some heraclids
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>>5767871
We should go gut some Thracians then. Filthy barbaroi. Or maybe sail south and hang out with some Egyptian xenoi before finding someone to kill around there. At least they're civilized down there. Yo that reminds me, Ramesses the great should be in power right now. Though the Greeks would call him Ozymandius. Too bad we'll probably be against him during the war. I believe the Egyptians sided with Troy. Though maybe I'm just conflating Aethiopia with Egypt, which is a little erroneous, considering Aethiopia would refer to sub-Saharan Africa, which Egypt is most certainly not.

We could fight the Syrians and Hittites alongside the Egyptians. That could be fun. Empires such as those are bound to still have heroes kicking about.
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>>5767881
>Side with Troy
>You kingdom is doomed

>Side with this nice greek men you meet yesterday
>Your kingdom is doomed

Being Ramesses is thug bro, why are the Egyptians so cursed
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>>5767895
Nile River
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>>5767895
>Be alive in the year of our lord negative one-thousand two-hundred
>Your kingdom is doomed
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>>5767895
Ramesses II was pretty baller, really. He did better than the vast majority of Egyptian pharaohs. And he did absolutely fuck up his neighbors in taking back Egyptian land.

As for why the Egyptians get fucked so hard so often. I think that whole part of the world is just cursed. Anatolia, Mesopotamia and all the way over to Libya is just a land where empires are born and get decimated on the regular.

>>5767897
>our empire revolves around a bigass river that regularly threatens to kill everyone with flooding and then flips to threatening to kill everyone with drought
Good ol' Nile.

>>5767899
Hey Atlantis is still doing fine, right? It's the hide and seek champion of the world since like, 2000 BC or something, yeah? They even got an entire ocean named after them.
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>>5767779
>With Castor. You have spent little time with the lesser of Dioscuri, but it is perhaps time you rectify that. You wonder if he might have insight regarding your meeting with a deity on Delos, and you never learned from him or Pollux what message was delivered to them through a dream.
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>>5767779
>Resting! Your head is not quite cleared – perhaps it is best that you simply lay low, sleep well and avoid trouble until you have regained your full faculties. This vote would trigger a “roll under” CON challenge to finally shed Nikon’s concussion once and for all.
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>>5767779
>>With Castor. You have spent little time with the lesser of Dioscuri, but it is perhaps time you rectify that. You wonder if he might have insight regarding your meeting with a deity on Delos, and you never learned from him or Pollux what message was delivered to them through a dream.
kewl
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Something I found a bit interesting, but we know that Student of Chiron gives +4 to unarmed combat and that Ajax, when coming to punch Nikon, had a +9 wound, which means Ajax had a +5 strength bonus. Unless he was holding back, this means Nikon and Diomedes, who both have a +6 strength bonus, are stronger than Ajax.
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>>5767997

Ajax was holding back, he is definitely stronger than Nikon. Ajax also has a habit of underperforming during tournaments and this is reflected mechanically.
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Rolled 9 (1d100)

Here's the tally so far - I'm going to let this vote run until 12pm EST.

Ajax

>>5767788

Castor

>>5767791
>>5767792
>>5767864
>>5767928 (give me a hot and fresh TWQ meme or backlink previous posts to make this vote count anon!)
>>5767957

Pollux

>>5767807
>>5767834

Rest up

>>5767798
>>5767934

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Rolling to see how many whorehouses Achilles has devastated in Aulis so far...
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>>5767928
>>5768027
I'm the anon with the poem about the petteia match posting from work
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>>5768027
I assume he's having strange feelings; the last person to hold his spear was a man after all. Ba dun tss
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>>5767817
There is clear things gods like the most : making a cult, founding a city and making big sacrifices.
Of this 3, we can ask our sister through a messenger to create a holy sanctuary of Nike (perhaps alongside Hekate one if we make that too). The others are unfeasible for him and her, for now (technically Deinara could do something for do large sacrifices with the use of a potion on the cattle....).
Now more than that ? Victories. In the war we can get military victories of our own. For that though, we need to build Nikon make him better. He needs to become more experienced has a commander and has a warrior, and that means gaining traits related to that. Becoming an archer isn't just "Nikandros can now kill at long range", it means we learn how dangerous they can be in the battlefield, and how to use them. With sailor or marine, he learns more about the sea and how to fight there.
Him becoming smarter will also help for tactics and strategy.
Slaying monsters is all well and good, but creating a proper small army, well trained and preferably well equipped and winning battles with it will give us much honor and favor. We will recruit even some skilled officers if possible.
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>>5768075
now that Deianira has come into some money she can actually outfit the contingent to send for the war with good armor and weapons which will be pivotal for Nikon to gain recognition.
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I was the guy who Perturabo pasted back in the early threads when we picked tactical genius and giant. I say we spec into intelligence and constitution since those are our dump stats and will have the greatest long term payoff.
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>>5768091
Int and Con are the opposite of our dump stats, they are our highest ones.
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The next level up, my plan is to take the LUWIAN PROFICIENCY.

>Make money betting on petteia
>Give half to Menelaus, the rest use it on the siege-size sling plan, to build a port, or send it to Deianira or Nike
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>>5768120
>Give half to Menelaus
Why?
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>>5768096
I thought dump stat meant we dump all our points into them.
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>>5767779
>Nikon obtains two “Lebinthian Talons”! These might be utilized as decoration upon armor, or perhaps forged together to create a single bronze knife of particularly good quality.

A knife is way more useful than a cosmetic decoration.
Can we use the beak to upgrade our family spear, i.e. make the pointy end sharper and also larger?

>With Castor. You have spent little time with the lesser of Dioscuri, but it is perhaps time you rectify that. You wonder if he might have insight regarding your meeting with a deity on Delos, and you never learned from him or Pollux what message was delivered to them through a dream.
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>>5768146
Dump stat is your lowest stat, normally way bellow average so you can use the points on other stats.
But I can understand why someone would think it's the stat you dump all your points in.
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>>5768153
Gotcha. So what do you call the opposite of that then?
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>>5768155
I actually do not know the term for that one, but a quick google search has given me "main stat" and "pump stat".
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>>5768160
Pump stat sounds right. Thanks.
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>>5767779
>Resting! Your head is not quite cleared – perhaps it is best that you simply lay low, sleep well and avoid trouble until you have regained your full faculties. This vote would trigger a “roll under” CON challenge to finally shed Nikon’s concussion once and for all.

>>5767759
>You don’t hesitate – “Nike, Goddess of Victory, King Menelaus.” He nods in assent, but beyond him, you see Odysseus rolling his eyes. Palamedes squints at you with a confused grimace, and the sailors at large seem to be befuddled by your selection.
What's got their chitons in a twist - that Nike's not a big name in the Pantheon?
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>>5768175
In a way, there is no greater boon given to the victor than staying alive.
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>>5768136
>Why?
I say "give", but he is our king and leader on this mission, so he WILL take our money
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update later tonight, anons, but I’ll make it a chunky one. Nikandros and company should be landing in Samos tonight!
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>>5768198
But he isn’t our king, anon. Either Peleus or Agamemnon hold that claim. And unless we use his money to bet I don’t see how he could reasonably claim any of the winnings. Maybe this can be our Briseis.
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>>5768120
I think DIOSCURI TRAINING is a must-buy after LUWIAN PROFICIENCY. We've struggled to win initiative and land hits on combat-specced heroes so far; a direct combat trait would go a long way toward mitigating that. It also gives us more freedom to plan stat purchases and make the most of Giant.
By the way, Lesches, you're carrying the quest well. I haven't see any decline in quality since Homer.
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>>5768219
Now I kind of wish someone would find a still scene of that low quality bird apocalypse movie and add corinth helmets to everyone.
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>>5768027
>only 9%
Wow, he actually really misses his buddy. I hope when we get back we can make amends with him and apologize for leaving him behind. Maybe give him some big bird feathers? Or some other trinkets from Troy?

>>5768175
Nike is considered small potatoes, relatively. She's not a minor goddess or anything, but most people would think something along the lines of "Why dedicate to Nike when you can dedicate to Athena who does mostly the same shit, but is actually important?".

Odysseus specifically rolled his eyes because of that. His patron is Athena, who holds dominion over Nike, often having her as subordinate. Palamedes is probably just confused as to why someone would dedicate to a minor goddess instead of a big important deity because he's probably autistic the loser. Or he's just trying to figure out if we know something he doesn't, or if Nike ever killed any birds and he forgot to read about it.

>>5768209
Our king is Peleus. He owns Thessaly. Agamemnon is king of Mycenae, but Aggy can big-dick diplomacy strongarm most minor kings into serving him, hence why he is referred to as "High-king". Peleus don't play that shit though. He, too, has big dick energy. Also dementia.

>>5768219
This meme is sublime. My compliments to the chef!
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>>5768246
>she's not a minor goddess
>call her a minor goddess
Thanks, brain, I meant "lesser" in the second half, dipshit.
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>>5768219

Wow, I love this. Excellent work anon, I’m touched
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>>5768219
Excellent kek
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>>5768239
Here are two
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Question, there is some site where i can upload corinth helmets pics for other anons to meme with?
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>>5768300
>>5768302
These are great, I didn't expect someone would actually do it.
Trojan War Quest has the best playerbase.

Maybe you could make a burner google account and share the helmets on an open google drive? You could also just dump them in the thread, and it will be saved in suptg when the thread's archive updates.
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>>5768305
And if you go for the dumping in the thread method, you could also merge them into a single png if you are worried about spamming too many posts.
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>>5768305
Seems smart.
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>>5768306
That is smart too
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>>5768310
>>5768322
Were those PNGs meant to have white background instead of being transparent?
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>>5768326
They show with white background to me anon, maybe I fuck up something, i dont know
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I got the one an anon made for Nira, if anyone wants it.
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>>5768347
Can also use it for crossdressing Achilles lol
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>>5768394
>woman playing petteia against nikandros removes helmet revealing a smaller, hairless helmet
>the crowd gasps; it is achilles
That is pretty funny.
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>>5768400
Reminds of Master Chief removing his helmet.
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>>5768401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAOo8nE8_Jg
Classic.
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>>5768347
And some for Nira
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I decided to do some baby-tier looking into Greek and Indian relations in the ancient world, and apparently the city of Nysa was alleged to have been founded by Dionysus. Very neat. That party animal sure knows how to get around.
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>>5768441
I lost my second part there, whoops.

But more interestingly is that apparently Indians referred to Greeks as "Yonas" in reference to the Ionians apparently. Which were one of four tribes of the ancient Greek world. Which actually timestamps it pretty nicely as being around the time of the Trojan war. This general 1200 ish BC period. So the idea of anon early of getting into the fancy Indian book actually holds a lot more water than expected.
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>>5768442
This is great, we could go to india and get some help from there.
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>>5768454
Got to cuck the seleucids by getting indian their elephants first.
Because elephants are cool.
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>>5768454
>casually rolls up with the greatest weapons of an entire subcontinent at his back
Oh Nikon, you never quite get what you want. But damn do you tend to get good shit anyway.

>>5768455
>Nikandros, what in the name of all the gods is that strange beast with you!?
>This is μεγάλος γκρίζος σκύλος my new pet. They have tons of them in their jungles.
>the fuck is a jungle..?
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>Disfavored of the Rivers: -1 AGI, -1 STR, -1 CON. 1 automatic failure per thread on rolls pertaining to these deities’ interests: these are understood to be divine intercession IC. -3 when interacting with all aquatic daemons. This trait may be later upgraded to Enmity.
Have we ever actually suffered from the 1 auto failure per thread? I do not recall so (not that we need more lol our rolls are dogshit as is XD)

also fuck Oddy rolling his eyes at our loyalty to Nike. He's probably thinking "why worship her when you can literally worship her but better (Athena)" little does he know that Nike's inevitable child with us will one day go on to topple Olympus as the premier champion of the Gigantes (Inshallah may Grandfather Athos now sleep in peace)

also someone edit this image to be Nikandros for when we absolutely BTFO all Trojans
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>>5768487

>have we ever gotten trounced by a river god?

Not to my knowledge, although I’ve been interpreting the trait text to mean that “if Nikon comes face-to-face with a river god, he automatically loses” not that every single thread, Nikon is ambushed by a river god no matter where he is and what he’s doing. Nikon has also gotten lucky or chosen suboptimal strategies because of DotR though (the Delos footrace, for example)

That being said, this thread isn’t over yet :)

Update is about half-done, should be out before 12pm. Thanks for everyone’s patience, this has been a challenging work week but I should have more bandwidth starting tomorrow.
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>>5768487
I believe it happened once. But it's basically just as "Oh you're near a river? Fuck you" button forcing us to roll as a failure in one contested roll against river dicks. So you can imagine if a river deity wanted to strangle us and forced us to fail on a strength check to not get throttled on turn one, yeah, pretty mean.

>tfw athena dies out but nike persists as a shoe brand of world repute

>>5768515
The one thing that really sucks about disfavored is we don't really have any way of getting rid of it without interacting with river spirits. And the problem with interacting with river spirits is that they should all die.
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>>5768527
>throttled on turn one
So just Nira's experience with the river daimon basically.
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>>5768532
Pretty much. But honestly I'd rather get choked out a bit than get turbo fucked into owing a favor to a creek cunt.
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For clearer context, we took an autofail in thread one against the naiad. Post #5580660. No idea what it was for, but it was a forced failure. That's pretty much how it works. You just lose on whatever the QM chooses. I guess.
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>>5768580
Ah yes, that naiad that I forgotten the name of. The only example of a non-shit river being.
Hopefully she one day upgrade into being a lake spirit to be free from her relatives.
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>>5768580

Looking at it again, I think the “automatic normal failure” overrode our 18 (good outcome) to instead meet with a neutral naiad (and possibly get fucked up, although Nikon smoothtalked his way out)
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>>5768583
It's too bad she's gonna have to have one of her sisters butchered like a sheep once Nikon hears what she did to his sister.

>>5768585
Yeah. It looks like it can take any roll and just decide, "Nah, didn't pass, G.". Which is effectively saying "You lose the next roll" except you get to see if you want to use it instead of calling it ahead of time. Very insidious. But I hope we can one day get rid of the debuff and become the full-statted chad we should be.
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>>5768487
A little late, sorry
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>>5768667
wtf I love you
+1 kleos to you αγάπη μου
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>>5768667
Banger after banger with the memes in here.

I wonder if our version of waifu wars will be what exactly we try to do once the Trojan War kicks off properly.
>We should find allies from afar!
>Fuck that dude, we should get with Odysseus and build a giant ship to bring a ton of food over
>Y'all are both stupid. Clearly we need to disguise Nike as Nikandros so she can fight the war, while Nikandros pretends to be Nike to distract the gods.
>I just wanna get a sling
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>>5768667
Oh yeah, it's PROOOOHHHH time
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It’s a strange experience, to sail under the stars – Ajax and Menelaus dictate that the crews and captains will become nocturnal for the traveling; sailing by night and sleeping by day; when the galleys are safely tucked in shallow Calydnian coves. The other members of the nobility are free to do as they wish – and to your surprise, only yourself and Castor agree to maintain watch as sentries during the day. During these two days, you spend the majority of your time on the galley decks – you are expressly forbidden from any hiking of the Calydnians by Menelaus himself, although he delivers the edict with a grin on his face. On the other galley, all sleep during the day, with the exception of prim Palamedes - he returns your waves, but makes no effort to leave his ship or otherwise make conversation; he is scribbling furiously away at wax tablets every time you see him.

It's inevitable that you spend time with Castor, as the only two men awake on the boat during most of the day. Castor is more solitary by nature – you are eventually forced to seek him out of boredom. Unlike his elder brother, Castor shows more of his true age – he appears to be a trim and hale man of fifty summers, especially well-preserved. Despite their shared experiences, he truly is a different man than his brother – more intellectually-inclined, where his brother is more known for low cunning, and of a surprisingly gentle disposition, especially when handling Hyperion, the enormous black stallion gifted to them by Poseidon. Where Pollux is brash, Castor is thoughtful – where Pollux would leap into action, Castor would recommend caution. Some part of you recognizes that their success, their Kleos – is built on their successful partnership and deep fraternal love. Without Pollux, Castor might never have organized such daring raids for livestock, to overthrow Theseus – without Castor to restrain him, Pollux may have been killed through risky behavior decades ago.

Castor is initially irritated by your presence, but your earnestness soon wins him over – you say almost nothing about yourself, and instead chip away at his resolve with good-natured questions:

“From which tutor were you trained in the medicinal arts?”

“How did Helen react when she was rescued from her first kidnapping?”

“Did you ever meet with Heracles?”

Before the end of the first morning, your boyish inquiries – combined with the total lack of alternate distractions, finally leads Castor to begin a series of lectures on plants, herbs, the use of these for development of tinctures, tonics and salves, and the general theories of health that underpin Asclepian medicinal arts. Surprisingly, he has a chest of these supplies stowed aboard the galley, and he demonstrates the proper methods to prepare these medicinal applications. You, having heard and seen none of this before, let alone delivered in a clear and systematic fashion, listen curiously as he goes on...

>cont
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>>5768686

“I met with him, once – Asclepius. He had come to Sparta to treat my father's illness. The man was crazed.” Castor says to you, reminiscing. “He never said it aloud, but he believed that he was dueling with ruthless Θανατος himself – battling with the daimon for the life of his patients.” Your eyebrows climb – even for a son of Apollo, such hubris would cause you to be marked for an early grave. Deathless gods do not take kindly to mortals who forget their station. Castor notices your expression and continues –

“Many say that Zeus obliterated Asclepius for the resurrection of the dead, upon Hades’ request; a violation of the natural order. But that is not quite the truth – or at least, not what Pollux and I believe. You see, it was Apollo Θεαριος himself who must influenced his son, directing him to test the power of the Ruler of Many, and of the brotherly bond between him and Zeus. And Pollux and I wonder – what prophecies directed Apollo to guide his son thusly? A tempting riddle!”

You, of course, have no answer and so you remain silent – but you doubt Castor was seeking one from you; a young man of eighteen is not expected to know the minds of the Olympians.

“At any rate – Apollo later interceded on behalf of Asclepius and he was raised to Olympus from the Elysian Fields – made divine by Zeus himself. A few short years in the realm of the Receiver of the Dead followed by divine ascension is hardly the punishment for a blasphemer, no?”

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On the second day, Castor takes it upon himself to demonstrate proper splinting, wound cleaning and core tenets of battlefield medicine. You ask him innocently why you should bother with such things, given your divine regenerative abilities, and Castor exhales sharply in disgust.

“Don’t be a fool, Nikandros – men of sterner stuff than you have been brought low by a badly-healed joint or infected wound. Why, you only just mentioned to me that your concussion has not yet faded, and your bout with Diomedes is a month gone...” His irritation is short-lived - overall, you think Castor is pleased to have an eager student – he seems to have temporarily forgotten your habit of encouraging Pollux’s daring behavior. As for you, it is a pleasure to learn from one of the famed Dioscuri, no matter the subject…

>Nikandros has unlocked the Tier 0 trait [LESSER PHARMAKOS] as a potential selection for his next level-up!

>cont
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After the third night of rowing against the wind and tides, morning comes – and your exhausted crews approach Samos; both the city and famed island of vineyards share the same name. On the western end of Samos, there is great Mount Kerketeus – from there, long sloping plains fan out across the middle and southern parts of the island. Even from a distance, Samos is clearly thriving with life – the golden hues of grain and verdant greens of the fields and meadows are easily seen.

Pollux, having stayed awake through the night and somehow still energetic, is happy enough to share with you what he knows of the island during breakfast: birthplace of Hera, it has long been a place of pilgrimage, and even you have heard of the Toneia, the annual festival in which the Samians honor cow-eyed Hera through the ritual ocean washing of her sacred icon. The Samians are ruled by ancient King Perileos, grandson of Poseidon – a man nearly as elderly as Telamon and Peleus, he is uncle to King Lycomedes of Skyros.

“I knew his father, Ancaeus -” Pollux adds around a mouthful of salted pork. “He sailed with us upon the Argo; the man had a special way at the helm - but after we delivered him home, he was killed by a rampaging boar. As for Perileos, I know him little - he exiled his brothers and became King shortly afterwards; I'm sure he has children that I've never met. I don’t envy him – for fifty years, he’s had to fend off the Carians, his brothers, sea-raiding barbaroi, and the grasping foreign kings of the East. It wouldn’t be worth it... except for the glorious wine.”

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As the galleys approach the narrow strait between Samos and the Troad, it's easy enough for Odysseus to gain you all passage; he invents a plausible tale about mercenaries being summoned to sacred Ilion by the promise of good pay from King Priam’s coffers, and even brings out Menelaus’ Lebinthian beak trophy as evidence of your recent deeds. The Samian sailors are only too happy to accept oenochoe of fine Delian wine in return for unmolested passage to the southern Samian beach that serves as the city’s dockyard.

Standing above-deck, you see that the city of Samos is the fortress that you might have expected, given Pollux’s description – imposing walls and gates, studded with watchtowers. The few Samians you see are visibly glum, shoulders slumped. It seems that not all is well in Samos – and your opinion is shared by Ajax and Menelaus, when no Samian envoy appears to greet them. Further travel in Samian waters while unannounced risks accidental interdiction by the Samians, and furthermore, it is something of faux-pas for men of Menelaus, Odysseus and the Dioscuri’s κλέος to slink by a Hellenic king’s domain without a proper feast.

>cont
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Menelaus calls a conference amongst the nobility about how to proceed - Ajax volunteers himself to guard the galleys and take command of the crews; Menelaus, ever ready for feasting, declares that he will personally entreat King Perileos for an escort to Chios. Surprisingly, Palamedes declares his interest to travel along with Menelaus to the palace - not the typical action for the reedy Nauplian prince. As for yourself, you consider your options:

>Travel with Menelaus, Odysseus, and Palamedes to the palace of King Perileos. As a musclebound giant, you will be dismissed as a thug to be ignored, but a chance to listen to the discourse of kings should never be missed!

>Stay amongst the boats with Ajax and Pollux – boring as it may be, protection of these vessels is paramount to your mission’s success.

>Join Castor and Teukros as they enter the city of Samos – they proclaim their interest in seeing the city proper, and perhaps finding some entertainment after several long boring days at sea. As for you - perhaps you could find a bronzeworker who might make something of your Lebinthian eagle trophies?

>Something else?
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>>5768777
>Join Castor and Teukros as they enter the city of Samos – they proclaim their interest in seeing the city proper, and perhaps finding some entertainment after several long boring days at sea. As for you - perhaps you could find a bronzeworker who might make something of your Lebinthian eagle trophies?
The healer, the archer, and the giant.
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>>5768777
>Join Castor and Teukros as they enter the city of Samos – they proclaim their interest in seeing the city proper, and perhaps finding some entertainment after several long boring days at sea. As for you - perhaps you could find a bronzeworker who might make something of your Lebinthian eagle trophies?
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>>5768686
>you are expressly forbidden from any hiking of the Calydnians by Menelaus himself, although he delivers the edict with a grin on his face.
Yeah whatever, grandpa. kek. Couldn't stand to see us gain even more glory, eh?

I wonder if Castor realizes how frighteningly sharp Nikon is, despite his relative youth and head injury. Or if any of the others do. Odysseus at least knows we aren't all what we present as, the canny bastard.

>>5768777
>>Join Castor and Teukros as they enter the city of Samos – they proclaim their interest in seeing the city proper, and perhaps finding some entertainment after several long boring days at sea. As for you - perhaps you could find a bronzeworker who might make something of your Lebinthian eagle trophies?
We need a heroic weapon to go with our heroic armor. And hanging withe the ranged boys is always fun.

>>5768782
The beginning of every good joke.

Also for anons who want a sling, have a treat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4-LpLtrGqs
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>>5768777
>>Join Castor and Teukros as they enter the city of Samos – they proclaim their interest in seeing the city proper, and perhaps finding some entertainment after several long boring days at sea. As for you - perhaps you could find a bronzeworker who might make something of your Lebinthian eagle trophies?
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>>5768797
>Also for anons who want a sling, have a treat

>Staff Sling
>Sensible Range: Six Hundred Feet
>On mortal hands
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>>5768777
>>Join Castor and Teukros as they enter the city of Samos – they proclaim their interest in seeing the city proper, and perhaps finding some entertainment after several long boring days at sea. As for you - perhaps you could find a bronzeworker who might make something of your Lebinthian eagle trophies?
ez vote
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>>5768817
Nikon, father of siege weaponry. Credited for blasting down the trojan walls as a human trebuchet.
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>>5768777
>Join Castor and Teukros as they enter the city of Samos – they proclaim their interest in seeing the city proper, and perhaps finding some entertainment after several long boring days at sea. As for you - perhaps you could find a bronzeworker who might make something of your Lebinthian eagle trophies?
I'm the anon from >>5768219.
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>>5768817
Keeping in mind that everything is built for the average man with average strength. Nikon being about 26% taller than the average man, and probably ten times as strong, means that he can use a lever (in this case, a sling or slingstaff) that is proportionately longer with a projectile that is much, much heavier without loss in efficiency from strain.

This means a truly exponential growth in the amount of OOMPH behind the toss. But I admit, I don't know when exactly sling staffs came to prominence. I'm sure they exist now. And even if they don't, just ask the math nerd Palamedes or the woodworking dick Odysseus and they'll straighten it all out.
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>>5768840
Imagine Nikon, Ajax and Pollux taking turns pounding with rocks the gates of Troy from the shelter of a ship's hull, from dawn to dusk, seven days a week, twenty-four hours a day, constantly.

I'm not sure which fell first, the door or the mental health of the Trojans. Maybe they will throw Paris and Helena outside just to stop the noise.

It would be fun if after a year the big boys change their rhythm and the whole city just go crazy.
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>>5768857
>one thump every thirty seconds that you can hear whether you're inside a building or out on the streets
>the gate holds just fine, not even poseidon could knock it down
>but by the gods EVERY thirty seconds, BANG
>at one point someone told me they stopped, but I could still hear it, still feel the thud in my bones
>every thirty seconds
>then it started happening every ten...
It's a fucking horror story, innit?
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>Trying to find a pic to put six hundred feet into perspective
>The only pic that caught my attention belongs to a chapter of a percy jackson fanfic

That was amost creepy guys
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>>5768892
I will aid you, anon. To give you reprieve from such horrific discovery.

Also fun fact, Achilles was noted by Nikon in their brief spars and wrestling to be -significantly- stronger.
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>>5768892
>end of quest reveals that TWQ is set in the percy jackson universe
>new quest follows a legacy of nicander in camp jupiter
You rike?
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>>5768923
>camp jupiter
R O M A N?
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>>5768934
>nikandros to the romans when they start to rename his gods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz5nSco-En4
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>>5768912
Thenks bro

>Achilles was noted by Nikon in their brief spars and wrestling to be -significantly- stronger

That make no sens-

>Achilles

Oh... right

That would help when he have to open the gates from within after Nikon and Ajax throw him over the walls.

>>5768923
>"Which is your god parent Nik?"
>"Don't know, but I'm good at throwing rocks, lead people, and I hate rivers. I think they hate me too"
>"That is cool... minus the river thing. Want to go to the pool with me and Pol? Is that fine for you?"
>"That is okay, thenks Carlos"
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I was just saying the other day I wished for a quest set in the Trojan War, unfortunately you went with the Achaeans rather than the superior Rom- I mean Trojans.
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>>5768777
>Something else?

How about we stretch our legs with a little stroll along the coastline?
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>>5769045
I've been thinking about that. Playing on the Trojan side would be ass. At any given time you could roll on the random encounter table and meet Achilles. Great way to instantly game-over.
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>>5769054
>Achilles, Ajax, and Diomedes are all stronger than your strongest guy and on the enemy team
>Whatever the circumstances, one of them is guaranteed to be on the battlefield at a given time
>Did I mention Paris is one of your commanders?
Nahhhhhhhhhh
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>>5769058
To be fair, the Trojans do have Memnon. But he doesn't really get the chance to do much because he runs into Achilles and gets got pretty much immediately after killing Antilochus. But he was the only guy to actually wound Achilles out of sheer balls-out martial prowess.

If there was a Trojan Trojan War Quest, it'd basically putting your game on the highest difficulty setting. The single advantage the Trojans would have is that they have way easier access to supplies.

Which do you think is worse, serving under Agamemnon, whose pride is so big it casts a shadow on the gods in its hubris. Or Paris. Eurgh, Paris.
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>>5769054
Want to know what my favourite part in the Illiad was?

When Hector was empowered by the gods and killing men, a single man from a nowhere town called Plataea, named Leitus, gathered together men and made a shield wall that utterly stopped Hector's killing rush.

Men working together have always been stronger than Gods.
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>>5769066
USER WAS STRUCK DOWN BY ZEUS FOR THIS POST
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>>5769066
Well Leitus was an Argonaut after all. Those guys are all cracked.

>Men working together have always been stronger than Gods.
That's cool and all but don't say that too loudly while we're sailing on the sea. Poseidon is extremely temperamental and I don't want to drown.
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>>5768771
>the Samians honor cow-eyed Hera

if that's how they refer to her in their prayers they're not gonna last long.

and i see Apollo is no stranger to try and game the fates and prophecies
is his talk with us a calculated gambit to try and influence the outcome?
does he really care so much for his half brothers or is it more of an experiment?

Asclepius got a deal like Achilles where you are fated to die but everyone will remember your accomplishments.

should we aim for a life extension where the twins avoid returning home as long as possible or say nothing and let their legend be?

because if they go around killing twins to thwart the prophecy that's a surefire way to make it happen for revenge or fear.
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>>5768777
>Join Castor and Teukros as they enter the city of Samos – they proclaim their interest in seeing the city proper, and perhaps finding some entertainment after several long boring days at sea. As for you - perhaps you could find a bronzeworker who might make something of your Lebinthian eagle trophies?
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>Nikandros Hippomedion, patron saint of artillery.
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After a few minutes of conversation, all are agreed to separate into groups for these respective goals. The Kings of Sparta and Ithaka will journey to the Royal Palace of Samos, accompanied by Palamedes. Ajax and Pollux will stay behind by the galleys, and yourself, Teukros and Castor will enter the city to accomplish various errands and otherwise look for entertainment. Curfew is set by Menelaus, as he addresses the group:

“Be home before nightfall or I'll leave you behind!” he says, chuckling. But you notice that the mirth doesn’t quite reach his eyes – you’re certain that he would actually leave you behind, if it came to it.

Marching towards the barred gates of the city, you find yourself admiring the stone-work – it is said that no fortification compares to the legendary walls of Ilion (you're eager to learn if this is true), but even so, it’s still an impressive set of masonry. Your mind effortlessly plays out various siege scenarios as you walk closer - the Samian defenders would have an enormous advantage, sitting atop walls seven strides in height. Even a few well-trained platoons would be able to stave off attackers for weeks.

Odysseus catches your eye as you begin the short walk to the city gates, and says –

“Thessalian, [i]please[/i] do your best to avoid a scene while in the city; no glory-hunting today. Perileos will no doubt hear of any chaos that you foment, and this would complicate our request for escort to Chios.” You nod in assent, keeping your face calm, but you are irritated by the remark – when have you ever displayed a lack of tact in the past?! The remark is delivered without Odysseus' typical good cheer - he has been in a black mood ever since leaving Delos.

Putting aside Odysseus’ request, you’re pleased to be in the company of Teukros and Castor once again – you compliment Teukros on his fantastic shooting once more. It really was an amazing shot to bring down the fleeing Lebinthian eagle. Castor, a famed archer himself, is quick to add his own praise.
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“Don’t let our winged words cloud your head!” you warn Teukros teasingly. “I liked you better as a obscure Salaminian nobleman!” The comment echoes the one Teukros made to you after your second-place finish in the contest of song in the Lesser Delia; the dark-featured bastard raises his eyes to the sky in mock frustration at hearing his words reflected back at him, but he is clearly amused. As for Castor, your few days at sea with him in earnest tutelage seems to have smoothed over his initial disapproval of you.

Resourceful Odysseus is able to secure entry through the gates without much difficulty; you are immediately reminded of your own difficult haggling to enter Phthia over two months ago. However, Odysseus’ words are smooth enough to grease the hinges of the door. Of course, it doesn’t hurt that each of you are clearly of noble disposition, and of course, all of you are wearing your bronze – Samos is [i]not[/i] one of the kingdoms affiliated with the House of Atreides, and King Perileos has sworn no oath to defend the marriage sanctity of Helen and Menelaus, nor is he known to be affiliated with King Priam of Troy. You don't expect violence within the walls, but caution is warranted.

Once within the city, you see that Samos is tightly populated, a dense hodge-podge of stone houses and manors crammed together. The streets are crowded with ox-carts brimming with oenochoe, amphora, herding livestock, and a huge number of merchants, traders, lesser nobility and laborers. The Samians are clearly a wealthy people; even the laborers are dressed in good-quality robes. Odysseus, Menelaus and Palamedes make their farewells, before heading up the main thoroughfare – in the distance, the royal palace of Perileos is clearly visible, behind another set of solid gray walls.

As for your group – Teukros gathers local directions from a brown-skinned merchant in Luwian; and within thirty minutes, you have traveled to the craftsman’s section of the city. You've brought your Lebinthian trophies, beak and talons, and Teukros has brought along his Lebinthian talons – three in total. You share your idea about forging your own talons into a bronze knife, but Teukros instead determines that he’d prefer a few high-quality, bronze-tipped arrows, explaining that:

“They’ll be heavier, limiting the range, but the extra weight will be helpful when shooting against an armored target. As for the beak - not sure how I'd like to use it..."

You explain that you have an idea to utilize the Lebinthian eagle’s beak in your pack to improve your father’s bronze-tipped spear – you imagine that a heavier spearhead made of the durable brazen beak will be better able to punch through enemy bronze. Teukros replies, saying -

"I'm no bronzesmith, Nikandros, but it seems reasonable."
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Locating the most-expert bronzesmith in Samos is not difficult – the three of you give off the impression of great wealth, and Teukros’ proficiency in Luwian makes him well-equipped to converse with most of the Samians. The commoner man in question, a thick-wristed Mycenean immigrant of forty summers, projects a venerable air in his workshop, surrounded by apprentices and servants. He seems interested by the proposed projects, and even more so by the bronze you bring. He inspects one of Teukros’ Lebinthian talons closely, before pronouncing the metal to be of unusually dense and durable make.

"I've never seen the like! Expertly-made, but with no signs of hammering, chiseling, sharpening. Who made this? Was it Dogoreos of Rhodes?"

Your party’s tales of enormous man-eating birds don’t seem to impress him much – presumably, he thinks these claims are meant to improve your negotiating position. Unfortunately, he turns out to be a fierce haggler – the shameful gleam of mercantile greed in his eyes. Castor, particularly, is amused – he waves off participation in these talks, sitting to the side and waiting with a small smile on his face.

Teukros puts his natural good charms to use, and is able to bring the man’s outrageous pricing down to something more reasonable – for the price of one of the Lebinthian talons, he will turn the other two in Teukros’ possession to six superb-quality brazen arrowheads, and will provide sturdy shafts of wood for their construction as well. Teukros finds this deal acceptable – no doubt he plans to use the Lebinthian feathers as fletching and will assemble these in his own time.

Turning to you, the disappointed bronzesmith begins a separate negotiation – you display your spear, the Lebinthian beak, and your two Lebinthian talons, and explain your desires – to improve your bronze spear with the beak and to create a bronze knife. The merchant listens carefully, but when it comes time to negotiate, his pricing is again downright offensive – he offers to improve your spear at the cost of both Lebinthian talons, or take your Lebinthian beak in exchange for the construction of the bronze knife. But how to respond to this offense?

>vote post coming
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>what do, /qst/?

>Intimidate the man outright – between your imposing physique and the aura of violence that surrounds you, you may be able to cow the man into submission. Of course – you are threatening a proud man in his own workshop; he may react poorly to such an approach.

>Attempt to persuade the man with winged words – that you are a man of some fame, after all – the finder of Achilles, and you recently won a second-place finish at the Lesser Delia. If he gifts you to the construction of these two weapons, you will speak his name to all who ask of your weapon’s construction. You’ll be offering the man a place in the telling of your immortal story.

>Accept the man’s proposal outright to spend your talons and build an improved spear – it is unclean to haggle in this fashion, and by doing so, you only lower yourself to his level.

>Accept the man’s proposal outright to spend your Lebinthian beak and smelt a high-quality bronze dagger – it is unclean to haggle in this fashion, and by doing so, you only lower yourself to his level.

>Reject the man’s proposal outright, and instead keep your Lebinthian trophies. No doubt you will have the opportunity to find a more reasonable bronzesmith in the future.

>Something else?
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>>5769283
>Attempt to persuade the man with winged words – that you are a man of some fame, after all – the finder of Achilles, and you recently won a second-place finish at the Lesser Delia. If he gifts you to the construction of these two weapons, you will speak his name to all who ask of your weapon’s construction. You’ll be offering the man a place in the telling of your immortal story.
If talks fall through, perhaps we can just simply leave. The idea of intimidating a proud man seems like trouble. I sort of now realized that we don't have a dagger because Nira has it.
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>>5769283
>Reject the man’s proposal outright, and instead keep your Lebinthian trophies. No doubt you will have the opportunity to find a more reasonable bronzesmith in the future.
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>>5769283
>Attempt to persuade the man with winged words – that you are a man of some fame, after all – the finder of Achilles, and you recently won a second-place finish at the Lesser Delia. If he gifts you to the construction of these two weapons, you will speak his name to all who ask of your weapon’s construction. You’ll be offering the man a place in the telling of your immortal story.
me >>5768828
Right, intimidating the best bronzesmith on the island will cause trouble even if we succeed.
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>>5769283
>>Reject the man’s proposal outright, and instead keep your Lebinthian trophies. No doubt you will have the opportunity to find a more reasonable bronzesmith in the future.
Waste of time
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>>5769283
>Attempt to persuade the man with winged words – that you are a man of some fame, after all – the finder of Achilles, and you recently won a second-place finish at the Lesser Delia. If he gifts you to the construction of these two weapons, you will speak his name to all who ask of your weapon’s construction. You’ll be offering the man a place in the telling of your immortal story.
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Have we’ve done a kleos check yet?
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>>5769327

Nope, Homer seemed to use it as a back-up when social rolls failed though, so if Nikandros blows his social rolls here, he’d get a Kleos roll to save in keeping with the previous system.
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>>5769334
Will we get kleos eventually for killing big bird?
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>>5769283
>>Attempt to persuade the man with winged words – that you are a man of some fame, after all – the finder of Achilles, and you recently won a second-place finish at the Lesser Delia. If he gifts you to the construction of these two weapons, you will speak his name to all who ask of your weapon’s construction. You’ll be offering the man a place in the telling of your immortal story.

"I want a my cool spear to be cooler, and I will get it. Then I will speak wonder of the bronzesmith that help me. It can be you or another."
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>>5769337

Nope, unfortunately, Nikon’s solo slaying of the fledgling was out of sight and a bit overshadowed by actions of Pollux and Teukros, who (fairly or not) were designated as the slayers of the bigger animals. From the galleys, it looked like a tag-team effort between Nikon and Pollux, and so neither hero got Kleos for this.

That being said, Nikon was rewarded in other ways (rep with Pollux, trophies from the fledgling)
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"Please..."
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>>5769283
>Attempt to persuade the man with winged words – that you are a man of some fame, after all – the finder of Achilles, and you recently won a second-place finish at the Lesser Delia. If he gifts you to the construction of these two weapons, you will speak his name to all who ask of your weapon’s construction. You’ll be offering the man a place in the telling of your immortal story.

>>5769354
Getting a swordspear would be pretty cool.
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Hey, QM whatever happened to Homer anyways?
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>>5769387

Presumably he has ascended to Olympus. As far as I know, he hasn’t posted with his trip on since April.
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>>5769283
>>Attempt to persuade the man with winged words – that you are a man of some fame, after all – the finder of Achilles, and you recently won a second-place finish at the Lesser Delia.

but also:

>offer him one of the talons in payment and ask him to fit the other on the end of your spear so if it were to break in the fight you could still use the piece in your hand.


a better spear is more useful i think, when we can split a man's skull with a punch.
and it's the same payment Teukros offered instead of hot air.

besides we will get so many swords off the dead when the war kicks off it won't even be funny
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>>5769442
if it's unclear i mean to fit the beak at the tip and the talon at the butt end

as alternate payment we could offer to turn in our old spear instead of the talons if anons don't want to.
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>>5769442
>besides we will get so many swords off the dead when the war kicks off it won't even be funny

>>5769447
>as alternate payment we could offer to turn in our old spear instead of the talons if anons don't want to.

>turn in our old spear
>turn in
>our old spear

Heresy. May Zeus wrath destroy everything you cherish.

Rolling for divine punishment
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>>5769447
It's an heirloom spear from our father, no.
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>>5769474
>nikandros why are you carrying around twenty of those trojan's swords?
>they're loot
>yes but surely there is a better use for them than sitting in that honestly gigantic basket you're collecting them in
>they're MINE

I hope we can get this guy to do our stuff, then he changes the sign on his shop to show a giant bronze eagle and changes his slogan to "Where heroes are armed". Then he shaves his head and calls himself Ieff Begos.
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>>5769479
>Loot all the bronze weapons of the troyans and their allies
>Melt metal into ingots
>Sell good metal to the greek's allies
>Sell shit tier "weapons" made by wounded soldiers to troyans though a proxy at inflated prices
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>>5769283
>>Accept the man’s proposal outright to spend your talons and build an improved spear – it is unclean to haggle in this fashion, and by doing so, you only lower yourself to his level.
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>>5769283
>Attempt to persuade the man with winged words – that you are a man of some fame, after all – the finder of Achilles, and you recently won a second-place finish at the Lesser Delia. If he gifts you to the construction of these two weapons, you will speak his name to all who ask of your weapon’s construction. You’ll be offering the man a place in the telling of your immortal story.

We have a history of doing surprisingly well at charisma checks that are not with kings.
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>>5769485
>"I made my first million lying to the "people" of Troy."
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>>5769283
>Intimidate the man outright – between your imposing physique and the aura of violence that surrounds you, you may be able to cow the man into submission. Of course – you are threatening a proud man in his own workshop; he may react poorly to such an approach.

Can we try intimidation at least once please? C'mon guys this guy is not even a king what do we have to lose here?
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So for our next perk, we should get something that boosts our intelligence like the lesser pharmicos trait to teach our men how to treat injuries. The name of the game is going to be attrition warfare and given the time we live in where even basic medical knowledge is borderline magic and rare as hell it will severely help us by keeping our men alive. We built our character around leading men in battle and so far our sister has led and lost more men than us. My alternate suggestion is a divine trait that allows us to unlock more of our heritage.
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>>5769568
But if we pick up Luwian before we get into Troy we can fuck around without supervision. As it stands, everyone is going to be stuck on Teukros to talk. Maybe Priam and his kids speak REAL language like us, but the majority of people there won't. Menelaus is going to monopolize Teukros' time.

Unless Palamedes has been studying and hasn't told anyone. Or Odysseus knows the tongue but refuses to let that slip until it benefits him, later.
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>>5769568

Nikon will have automatic access to upgrades to his Tier 1 traits, as well as Tier 0 traits that he has earned through social links.

Fresh Olympian Blood, though, is different - any changes to this trait won’t simply be selected off an upgrade menu when Nikon levels up. To say more would spoil the surprise!
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>>5769571
The nobles and merchant class probably do speak Greek, as Troy (Wilusa) was in this time a major trading hub between the Mycenaeans and Hittites. Not to mention that the actual Iliad has the Trojans and Greeks freely conversing. Given the noted xenophobia of the Greeks it would have to be the Trojans who are bilingual.
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>>5769283
>Attempt to persuade the man with winged words – that you are a man of some fame, after all – the finder of Achilles, and you recently won a second-place finish at the Lesser Delia. If he gifts you to the construction of these two weapons, you will speak his name to all who ask of your weapon’s construction. You’ll be offering the man a place in the telling of your immortal story.
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>>5769577
But it wouldn't do to have a trait to communicate that is effectively useless, you know? It would also come into play more during the war. Where we could communicate effectively with Anatolians that aren't along trade routes.

You do have a point with merchants speaking many tongues though, which I had neglected to consider. Greedy rats.

As for why so many heroes talked shit to each other, there are actually plenty of places on that side of the Aegean that commonly speak Hellenic. I think it's more common on the southerly end than the northerly, though. But what's really important about it is that it is basically what the entire Hittite empire speaks. And they're going to be a major supporter of the Trojans in this war.
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>>5769568
>So for our next perk, we should get something that boosts our intelligence
>like learning to speak Luwian

Fixed
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>>5769576
Wait
>Nikon will have automatic access to upgrades to his Tier 1 traits
Giant is a tier 1 trait. We can have a second growth spurt. Even bigger arms for even bigger rocks.

The embiggening has begun.
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>>5769600
interesting!
but that will require us to adjust the armor too,
which is an expense we cannot sustain.

though if this guy refuses to work on our spear we can just ask for Agamemnon for the service of his blacksmiths since we will be going at war for them.

no need to show the Troyans our full capability right now.
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>>5769605
I'm just joking cause it probably isn't available as an upgrade because it's so unusual in the way it's presented. But if it does have an upgrade, I'll bet it's "Titanic" as the only logical progression of giant.

>tfw you sent a giant hick with your brother and he comes back half a foot taller and asking you if you can fix his shirt
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>>5769608
new meme drop
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>>5769611
I wonder how tall Teukros is? Is he shorter than Nira?
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>>5769611
kek, came for bronze and found gold

>>5769615
Teukros is probably around 5'6" 5'8" I believe. I think the average height of nobles is 5'8"-6'. Homer specified at one point but I can't recall off the top of my head. Nira is like 6'3" though. She's taller than the average nobleman.
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>>5769611
second round
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>>5769615
>>5769617
I checked, Homer said average noble was six feet. Average normie was five-five. My headcannon is Teukros is shorter than the average noble, of course. But Lesches can put a real bar down.

>>5769618
The fact that Teukros is speaking and Nikon's speech just overlaps it is great.
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>>5769611
>>5769618
I love how the filenames add a new level of the joke.
Ajax is no longer Leon, now it's Teukros
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>>5769626
I hadn't even noticed that kek. Holy shit, Chrisposting never dies. It even fits fits Nikon being the big guy who manhandles boulders and Teukros being the suave speedy one.

It's fucking destiny. I love this place.
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>>5769626
It certainly does help that the man has +11 to archery and seems nice. Was he that good in the illiad?
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>upgrade giant trait
>can throw bigger rocks

I mean, I was sort of joking about Nikon being a 1 man siege weapon, but not as much anymore.
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>"So you are one of my brother new friends, eh?"
>Stay calm Teukros, Nikon say she is nice just dont fuck this up- so tall you can do it dude only talk an-
>"H-hi, yea- yes I'm- my name Teukros."


>>5769626
>Ajax is no longer Leon, now it's Teukros

Achilles was Leon, but it was a pipe dream from the beginning.
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Wait a second, how old is Teukros? Is he younger than Nira?
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>>5769608
Well, Ajax is taller then us, so there's precedent for bigger guys. UUUU
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>>5769630
He does snipe Hector's chariot driver mid-charge at one point. That's not an easy shot. And the only times he missed were reputed to be Apollo fucking with him to stop him from doming Hector. Hector then hits Teukros with a rock. Hector is a fellow chad, never forget despite being our enemy he's pretty based.

Teukros goes in the horse and stabs several people to death, as well. His DEX must be cracked. He's actually a sleeper build.

>>5769637
Well Achilles also is already married. And you don't fuck with marriages unless you want Hera to slap your nuts.

>She probably looks like Nikon, just a tall lady with rugged features, I can handle it
>OH NO SHE'S HOT
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>upgrade giant trait
>continue to only upgrade giant trait throughout the war
>dwarf ajax by the end
>the trojan horse is cancelled in favor of just having Nikon get covered in slabs of bronze and punching down the gates

I must know, is Nikon's cock proportional to his giant size?
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>>5769640
>How can you tell Nikandros and Ajax apart?
>Simple, one is slightly taller than the other
How quickly the tables turn. What's funny is without the FoB we're only just shorter than Ajax, who lacks the trait. So it does track.

I want to apologize to Lesches for starting this shitstorm of getting even more huge.
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>Nikon gets giant
>Ancient Greek Baneposting

This should be reason enough
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jive-talking thessalian man

>>5769298
>>5769315
>>5769323
>>5769354
>>5769386
>>5769442
>>5769539
>>5769582

fuck off merchant SCUM (the true Hellenic choice)

>>5769307
>>5769320

Take the deal

>>5769538

Make my fucking spear better or else!

>>5769562

---

Looks like Nikon will try his chances with a diplomatic approach - loving how Nikandros constantly overestimates his persuasiveness (and sometimes, does really well for no good reason)... Update shortly!

>>5769600
>>5769611
>>5769618

What have I done? KEK. For reference, Nikon is currently 6'10'' and built like a brick shithouse. I had sort of imagined that 7'' is the "cap" for a man of Nikon's ancestry - I suppose further minimal growth is not impossible for a man of 18...

>>5769645

Forgiven, of course - this has been an entertaining discussion and I am unashamedly pro-TWQ meming.

>>5769644

Better left unsaid, anon...

>>5769615

I've been imagining that Teukros is a slender dude of average nobleman's height, 6''. I don't think Homer ever specified his height in the previous threads.

>>5769639
>>5769630

I've been imagining that Teukros is a humble 25 and Ajax is more like 40 - Ajax has to have been old enough to help Telamon fight off the Heraclids and I have been operating under the assumption that this must have happened around the same time as the original Seven Against Thebes (but someone with formal classics education, please correct me if I am wrong!).

As for Teukros' archery skills - Big Skydaddy Zeus had to personally break his bow at one point because Teukros' archery build was too lit for the war.
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>>5769649
Nikon being persuasive always makes me think on gunboat diplomacy. Do you -really- want to say no to the guy whose forearms are as thick around as your thighs?

>Nikon is currently 6'10'' and built like a brick shithouse. I had sort of imagined that 7'' is the "cap" for a man of Nikon's ancestry - I suppose further minimal growth is not impossible for a man of 18...
And this is to grow even further BEYOND! I guess this is what Grandmas see every time their grandkid comes to visit.
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>>5769649
Oh wow, Ajax is a lot older than I expected. Who is the oldest member of the group? Odysseus?
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>>5769657
Of our current group? Menelaus. Agamemnon and Menelaus are both old men of like 50-60. Once the war starts? Nestor. And then I think Priam. Maybe Sarpedon?
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>Ajax is 40
Well shit, I don't think the whole dragging Ajax over to marry Nira plan is going to work. It was a bit of a pipe dream in the first place desu, but this just really confirms it. If only he had FOB to preserve him.
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>>5769660
I mean, Nira is a witch. She'll find a way to make her hubby persist. If she so desires, of course.
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>>5769659

Right, I think Sarpedon is probably amongst the oldest of the Trojans - Zeus gave him a "life-extension" deal many years ago, and he supposedly has the lifespan of "three generations".

Poseidon did something similar for King Nauplius (Palamedes' father), some myths give Nauplius an insanely long lifespan.

>>5769657

I'm mentally putting Odysseus at like 35 right now, given that he's clearly meant to be 50+ when he returns home to Ithaka post-war.

>>5769660

Not sure what you mean, anon - age gaps don't matter in the LBA. Deianira is super-hot and will age very well due to FOB.

>>5769661

No comment.
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Rolled 16, 17 + 5 = 38 (2d20 + 5)

Clearing your throat, you come to the realization that you have something to offer the man beyond material wealth – your endorsement! Certainly, you are not the most famous of men (yet!), but even so, certainly your name has been mentioned in well-to-do circles, and by those nobles who have paid close attention to Agamemnon’s war preparations. By asking the man to prepare you with unique arms, you are giving him a chance to enter your story, become a sought-after bronzesmith, and ultimately, improve his economic wellbeing. The logic here is as undeniable as your future Kleos.

“Friend, I take your offer well – but you must consider the possible reward of a long-term investment. You see, I am Nikandros of Thessaly – six months ago, I was unknown to Hellas. Two months ago, I located Achilles, son of King Peleus, and brought him to High King Agamemnon – upon which time I was hosted in the Royal Palace of Mycenae. Last month, I dueled with King Diomedes of Argos himself (of course, you leave out the part that you were effortlessly beaten by him), and now count the Dioscuri amongst my companions. Last week, I competed in the Lesser Delia and placed in second for the contest of song, losing only to Odysseus himself. I have vaulted from obscurity to the friendship of kings in only a few short months. When men everywhere hear of my accomplishments, they will ask – who has armed this man? What are his weapons and which master prepared them? If you give me the chance to do so, I will speak YOUR name to all who ask!”

The bronzesmith listens thoughtfully as you speak, the wheels turning in his head – he glances at Teukros and Castor guardedly, and replies…

>okay players, give me TWO rolls of dice+1d20. If Nikon fails, he'll get a Kleos check automatically.
>I’m rolling for the master bronzesmith – he is rolling with a +5 bonus (+2 WILL plus +3 for context - Nikon is asking for free service here)
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Rolled 12 (1d20)

>>5769664
Holy shit. This man has a better will stat that the king we dragged off the beach. Also, we aren't paying him with timae?
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Rolled 6 (1d20)

>>5769664

Nikon’s charisma will surely shine through, lmao
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Rolled 20 (1d20)

>>5769662
I always forget that there are a surprising number of people who got age hax.

>No comment.
I meant in terms of longevity, not performance kek

>>5769664
>+5
DAYUM. I didn't think we were expecting him to do it for free, just not demand all our cool shit. Then again, we have like, negative timae checks, too, so. Rip our odds.
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>>5769670
I normally would be sad about that 20 not counting, but even with it we wouldn't beat his roll anyway.
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Dang, a wasted 20. Well, it was wasted either way, with mods like that. But still.
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>>5769666
>>5769669

>12 vs 23 - failure on the diplomance check

Okay guys - he doesn't buy your sales pitch per se, let's see if your fame can carry you.

I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+1 (Nikon's current Kleos bonus). I'm basically mirroring the Electra and Pollux Kleos checks here, although I'm hampered by the lack of Homer's notes - this isn't really a contested roll, from what I understand. I'm assigning the ranges as follows, given that this dude is Samian and not in central Hellas.

1-13: the guy has never heard of you,
14-15: marginal success,
16-18: good success,
19-20: for personal reasons, he has a reason to like you
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Rolled 6 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5769678
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Rolled 19 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5769678
Captain Jac- I mean, Nikandros.
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>>5769681
See? What did I say? Nikon is just a cool dude, people notice that shit, kek
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>>5769681
Diplomacy somehow succeeds again! Woo!

Now my luck is borked for the next week.
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>>5769681
Lmao.
Now I want to see what personal reason it is. Our dad? Hatred of rivers? Dealing with pirates? The merchant who had our chariot?
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>>5769685
You are right, you rolled both the 20 and this 19+1.
Tyche has blessed you on this day.
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>>5769689
>There is a secret war between water merchants and land merchants about to break out
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>>5769692
>The battles take place at the intersections of land and water. The rivers.
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>>5769689
>Oh hey I got your wheels at a discount, broke em down and made some spears. Shit dude I didn't know the guy whose name was on it was still alive. My B, G, I got you for free then, see?
>What cursed language is this?
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“What words have escaped the barrier of your teeth, Nikandros of Thessaly? So laden with pride, they can hardly pass through the air before reaching my ears. Do you know that every week, I am approached by some young fool, claiming that he will remake Hellas in his image? I care not what kings consider you guest-friend. I have no opinion on such things and will never care to develop one.”

His rejection of your words is strangely intense, unreadable. You realize that you have misjudged this commoner – he is a man of phenomenal willpower. Your words have done nothing to sway him – but there is some other matter on his mind. His face is drawn tightly – a man consumed by loathing, but not directed at you.

“I care only for this – that you found Achilles in hiding on Skyros. Was he truly wearing the skin of a woman, cloaked by his mother’s magics, when you found him?” The master asks you sharply.

“He was,” you confirm. He breathes deeply.

“Then perhaps you are the right man for the job. My name is Polypias. I had an apprentice once; a brilliant young man named Auletes. He and I developed a method by which --- it matters not. What matters is this – only he and I knew the secret, and as I am without a son, this smithy was his to inherit. And then he fled to Ilion four months ago, turning his back on me.” Polypias’ face is a rictus, a deathmask – his shoulders frozen in agony. You amend your opinion of him – he may very well be insane.

Polypias looks you in the eye and continues –

“I will fasten the beak to your spear, and mold the talons into your knife – but you must swear the strong oath to kill Auletes with these weapons and none other.” You dare a glance at Castor and Teukros – as one, they shrug subtly, as if to say what harm is there in the murder of a single bronzesmith?.

You find yourself agreeing to his demand, strange as it is. You’ve killed well over fifty men in your manhood, and no doubt will send many more shades to the underworld – what difference could it make?

Polypias insists that you stay to witness the creation of your weapons, and you feel that you have no choice but to oblige – although to your dismay, you learn that this process will take most of the day. Teukros decides to accompany Castor, who is hunting after reagents for his pharmakis’ chest. The process is slow – the repetitive and laborious heating of the beak and talons, and the slow moulding of them into the correct shapes. After many hours, Polypias finally declares the weapons ready:

>Nikandros’ Royal Spear becomes the “Lebinthian Spear”. Damage = 1d5->1d6, moderately increased durability! Additionally, this weapon’s heavy spearpoint is unusually effective against armored foes! -1 to enemy armor bonii.

>Nikandros gains the “Lebinthian Knife”. This durable dagger provides a cutting edge that Nikandros could use, should he be disarmed in combat. 1d3 damage, -1 to enemy armor bonii.
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Ran out of steam for tonight, but will get Nikandros off Samos tomorrow! Thanks for the spicy memes, anons
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>>5769750
Nice we get weapon upgrades and all they cost is to kill one dude with them.
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>>5769750
Our sympathy trait is going to fuck with this oath, I'm sure of this.
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>>5769750
This certainly will add a wrinkle to our diplomatic trip to Troy. Knowing Nikon’s luck, Auletes might already be a well known bronze smith there.
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>>5769761
>>5769764
>yfw he has our chariot
Yeah, this one is gonna suck. Hopefully he isn't in Troy proper. Killing him in the city would be very, very bad for us. Maybe we could kill him on our way out to avoid any trouble with the locals, since we'd be leaving anyway. And hopefully he isn't going to be the type to sit there and beg and tell us his old master was crazy and tried to castrate him or something.

Best case scenario is to tell him we have sworn an oath to kill him and he gets enraged in desperation and attacks us. So then we won't feel too bad about it.
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>>5769770
Well, maybe we can put off the oath for a time. As in, we don’t necessarily have to kill him during the trip but some off future point. Perhaps during the sack.
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I don't think we've been really given a time limit regarding this. If we can find a way to kill him during the visit without getting caught, then that's great. But if not, then we can just wait till later. It's not like Polypias is going to be following Nikon the entire time, hounding him to kill Auletes.
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Wonder how durability works, because we have hit quite the number of people with this spear already
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>>5769784
I think it only matters when hitting bronze (or I suppose other, sufficiently hard) armor. And I think it represents the haft of the spear breaking rather than the head.
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>>5769750
we swore to kill the bronzesmith with these weapons

but we never said when?
so long as we do it right when the time comes we need not do it today.
or at all based on the wording.


(and thus the prophecy of nikon throwing a rock over the wall striking this dude and unknowingly breaking his promise which will have a fury come after him which he will then seduce with an incredible roll of persuasion)
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>>5770009
>"W-well, t-that make sense. Is not your fault if that commoner wasn't clear about the deal.
>S-so, mmm, y-you know? I have o-orders to torment you and stuff, and I don't want to fail in my duties...
>C-can I- like, eh, f-follow you around?"
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>>5770015
she leaves him immediately after because he offered this conquest to Nike

also the saga of giant Nikos continues
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>>5770022
Lol

>she leaves him immediately after because he offered this conquest to Nike
The true path
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>>5770022
Don't worry Nikon, if you get tall enough, you can just walk through the ocean like it was a pool.
Or at least swim to other islands.
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>>5770022
and another, we're approaching the end guys is nikon done for?
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>>5770037
sadly nikos rolled three 1 against the 6 straight 20 of Lesches and perished from too many eagles in his eyes as he couldn't bend down fast enough to gather a rock suited to solve this problem.
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>>5770045
>Not having easy to access rocks in his person at all times
Rookie giant mistake, Athos disapproves
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Hi all, hoping to get an update out for 12-1pm today.

In other happy news, I found out that JSTOR (a huge literature database) allows for independent researchers (yours truly) can sign up for free and read 100 research articles monthly.

This is a pretty big deal for me and now I can directly access extremely-high quality papers written by classics professors!!

tl;dr - overall TWQ quest quality should continue to improve over time as I deepen my understanding of this time period.
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>>5770059
That's nice, I look forward for more high quality bronze age autism
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>>5770059
good stuff
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>>5769750
>“I will fasten the beak to your spear, and mold the talons into your knife – but you must swear the strong oath to kill Auletes with these weapons and none other.”
Oh man, at first I understood this to mean that the smith had us swear that we'd ONLY kill Auletes with the new spear and knife and no one else, was fucking worried. Still, there goes my hope we could have had Teukros or Castor dome the runaway apprentice with an arrow.
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>>5770067
>Build a big ass bow using a log and a rope from the ship
>Use our new spear as a arrow.
>Ask Teukros and Castor to help us to aim

Or tie the dagger to a big rock.
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>>5770067
>>5770078
Tell Auletes that Polypias has found a new boyfriend and give him the dagger. Simple as.
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>>5770015
Do not try to seduce the erinyes, you will die painfully. But if you go off of the idea of there being three specific furies, one of them - Megaera - is literally called the jealous one. So original tsundere. Not really, her personification is almost exactly a fucking Karen.

We all know Nikon's real waifu is Até. Which explains why he gets accosted by bullshit everywhere he goes.
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>>5770059
We get a bonus with the guy if we sing while he forge?

Over ground, A ring of fire
A mystic flame, From Hephaistos came
From the tremors, Of ancient embers
Crystal, treasures, and gold Did flow
We the keepers, Of all things higher
Must keep the flames, Now pull the chains
Make the bellows blow…

Burst of flame, rising up before us!
The Forge of great renown
Our hearts beating now in chorus
To match the hammers’ pound!
This is the cradle of glory!
The raging temple
Hellenic Forge, in the flaming roar we
Shall bind the blade renowned

Fill the wagons, with bones of titans
For armor stores, never forged before,
Charcoal depleted, the forge is heated,
To smelt the ore, Go back for more,
Purge what’s useable, pour the crucible,
Blows precise, in a hardy vise,
Now make the bellows blow….

Burst of flame, rising up before us!
The Forge of heroes past
Our hands beating now in chorus
As molten hammers blast!
This is the cradle of glory!
The house where beauty dance
Hellenic Forge, filling up our stores we
Forge weapons unsurpassed!

Draw the sword
Encrusted hilt shall glow
Spear and axe and knife
metal golden as lightning
Keep the fire of Hephaistos
Burning in the heart
Dutiful hand shall never
Let the hammer sleep

Burst of flame, rising up inside us!
The Hellenic army goes
Our hearts beating now in chorus!
To match the hammers’ blows!
This is the cradle of glory!
The kingdom pillar
Hellenic Forge, shielding us in war we,
Shall conquer all our foes!
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>>5770253

This is too good not to use, amazing work anon
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>>5770312

This is me, obviously. I blew my chances at 12pm update but I’ll try to catch up tonight, probably 8pm-10pm
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At this rate Nikon is going to become a famous singer/songwriter despite being unable to sing or play an instrument.
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>>5770359

It does sort of track with Deianira’s success with Acinus though!
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>>5770364
An unusually competent family of singers from Thessaly of all places. Perhaps the true war was finding song material all along.

When Nira hears about Nikon being a great singer it'll be hilarious.
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>>5770367
Maybe grandpa was a singer
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>>5770369
>tfw grandma was one of the muses
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>>5770312
Thenks QM

>>5770369
>>5770370
Homer RIP drop the hint that is natural for commoners and lowborns to fear our divine ancestor.

I don't know if Lesches figure who he was, but I am sure he will want to keep it as a suprise for now, so here is what we know

>He creates fear
>He is tall (?)
>He like to sings (???)
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>>5770390
If Lesches knows, or if Lesches has his own idea, he'll definitely keep it close to his chest. But obviously our grandpa is Hades. He's the biggest brother of the three, he has no charisma but is still very charming in his own way, and no one wants to say his name.

Clearly, he owns an air fryer.
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>>5770392
>But obviously our grandpa is Hades.

I don't think Hades will abandon a child, a proof of love between his waifu and him, but maybe is was a underworld god.

There are two guy that seems to fit somewhat.

>Zagreus
God of pitfalls or hunting, highest of all the gods (of the underworld)
There is a theory that he is the son of hades, but not much is know about him
There are also some theorys that say he merged with a face of Dionysus later on.

>Melinoee
A god of madness, Nyarlatotep style. Scare the shit of people for shit and giggle. Not a nice dude, but could be worst.

>Clearly, he owns an air fryer.
Who doesn't?
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>>5770416
My only problem with making serious guesses at our ancestor is we have no real clues. Which is a problem when you have THIS to postulate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_mythological_figures

Keeping in mind that all of those still aren't an exhaustive list of the various deities in Greek myth. Fun fact, the Gigantes would still have divine blood, children as they are of the Titans.

>Who doesn't?
Agamemnon 100%. He's a fool.
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>>5770428
And things get even more complicated when you realize that several gods have more than one face...

>Agamemnon
A critical mistake for him, one of many
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>>5770428
Are you implying God-like Agamemnon does not own an airfryer? My boy he owns PEOPLE who own airfryers.
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>>5770431
It really is a confusing and alarming state of affairs. Dang ol gods need to what come and tell us summin mm hm.

>>5770432
Ah but that is the very reason he does not have one. Air fryers are BENEATH him. The same man who is going to claim to be a better hunter than Artemis herself. His hubris is as infinite as the sky itself.
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Also for funsies, another non-exhaustive list of things from Greek myth. This time, beasties and creatures. Wikipedia is good for collecting surface level information, at least.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_mythological_creatures
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>>5770435
Maybe we can arrange a duel between both of them if we fail to stop him from killing that stupid deer.

The loser will have to carry the winner's trophy while the last one guides the first one across the beach.

Unless Big A proposes other conditions, everything should be fine...
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>>5770459
Our father is Priapus because we also have a massive cock.
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Updoot when
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>>5770503

Probably like 20 minutes, stay tuned!
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>>5770428
Nikon's grandfather is a Hekatonkhire. Sometimes the disguise falls apart and people can see his third arm.
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>>5770510
Better people seeing a third arm then a third leg
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>>5770510
>Our grampa save Zeus once because he was nice to them

Hmm
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>>5770463
>try to mediate a duel
>agamemnon opens his mouth and ruins all of our efforts immediately
>artemis curses nikon too for getting involved, changing his torso to that of a gorilla
>nikon is now twice as strong because of his gorilla arms

>>5770470
It's only logical.

>>5770510
This is the real reason why Nikon never has an itchy back. He isn't aware of it but he's been scratching himself with his extra limbs.
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>>5770510
3x the rock hurling ability
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>>5770517
Could be worst.

Being the bronce age femincel that she is, Artemis could have hear the "big dick is barbaric" theory and curse us to be 1/4 horse.

Our bloodline as a whole would have depend on Nira...
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Inspiration having struck you while you waited for Polypias, you share with him and his apprentices several stanzas of poetry praising Hephaestus; extolling the roaring forges, weapons encrusted with jewels, and other such topics that might please the bronzesmiths. Polypias and his staff are somewhat bemused at the prospect of original poetry composed by a Thessalian giant, listening politely, but by the end of your recitation, are nonetheless appreciative of your gift. Teukros and Castor applaud you politely, having slipped back into the craftsman’s studio whilst you presented. Polypias clasps your hand in farewell, the faintest smile upon his lips, saying:

“Few men have blessed this place with original poetry, Nikandros… Keep at it! It is repetition that hones the blade!”

With the matter with Polypias settled and strong oaths to Zeus sworn, your march back to the galleys is a quick one – Castor takes the opportunity to speak with you as you pass through crowds of Samians –

“Have you written poetry before Delos, Nikandros? I was surprised to see you reciting outside of a contest.”

You reply honestly – “I…think I am finding that I enjoy it, Castor. The building of the poem, even without the crowd to listen – I find it calming.” You’re not sure whether to feel embarrassed or not by the admission – Thessalian men are not known for such things. Castor glances up with you, replying only with this cryptic comment –

“The Aegean is full to the brim with old men, Nikandros. Take care that you do not become one.”

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Walking together, the Samians do not look at you three with kindness, as you move past them on the crowded cobblestone streets – but between your group’s full panoplia and your enormous size, you suspect that none dare to raise a hand against you. Leaving the city is apparently no issue – the gate guards ask for nothing in return for your speedy exit, barring the gates behind you. When you return to the galleys, dusk is rising around the island.

The nobility have gathered before the boats and are addressing the crews – you catch the jolly words of Menelaus as you enter into earshot, and remove your horse-hair helm as you listen:

“Generous old King Perileos has arranged for an escort of four Samian naval vessels – tomorrow morning, we shall sail up the coast of the Troad. With six vessels in formation, our group should be of sufficient size to avoid naval interdiction by pirates. That being said, we do expect the winds to be against us – we’ll need to adhere closely the coasts to avoid being caught and overturned by the breath of Boreas. As we row northwest, we’ll pass by the capital of the kingdom of Arzawa, Apasa, and the Achaean colonies of Notium, Lebedos and Teos through our climb up the coast. If all goes well, we shall be in Erythrae in a week’s time!”

>cont
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You frown a bit as you listen – the introduction of four escorts will no doubt slow your speed, and furthermore, it implies that there is more danger to this part of the journey that Menelaus has revealed. You note that the use of the word “Achaean” by Menelaus tells you nothing of the affiliation of these expatriate Hellenes – you immediately presume that these cities are under the sway of Ilion or their Anatolian masters. Odysseus, in keeping with his recent conduct, stares morosely at the lapping waves of the sea, saying nothing. Ajax has a pugnacious set to his blocky chin – but he does not speak his thoughts aloud. With the sun setting, the crews quickly turn to dinner preparations and before long, well-mixed wine and roasted goat are being passed around the beach cookfires.

You eat in relative silence alongside Teukros and the Dioscuri – Castor reveals that he’s recovered whatever reagents needed for his pharmakis’ supply chest, and Teukros already dreaming of his heavy bronze-tipped arrows. As for yourself, you can’t help but inspect your new Lebinthian weaponry more closely – truly, Polypias is an expert craftsman. You hand over the weapons to Pollux for his inspection, and he stands to deliver a few test strikes.

“An interesting choice, Nikandos – to mount the molded beak over the existing spearpoint. But I think it’s the right one, for a man of your strength.” He looks over the cookfire between you, before he adds teasingly – “Now, if only you were actually trained in spearmanship…”


True to Perileos’ words, the next morning, your galleys are joined by four Samian vessels. Menelaus, Ajax and Odysseus conference with the surly captains – even from the deck of Ajax’s galley, you can read the posture of the Samians instantly, given your expertise in command; somewhere between irritated and mutinous that they are being assigned protective duties to your diplomatic mission.

Castor joins you on the deck to spy along with you, as the captains confer – he notices that you have observed the tension, and says:

“Samos is a neutral place, Nikandros – Perileos’ kingdom, and the success of his line, depends on the maintenance of this reputation. Of course, bribery with phenomenal wine and the support of Hera herself is beneficial. But now, Menelaus has forced Perileos into a terrible position – if Perileos denies assistance to Menelaus, and Troy and Mycenae go to war, Agamemnon is sure to order the slaughter and rape of his people for the offense. If Perileos grants assistance to Menelaus, and war breaks out, the Carians may eventually learn of this, and may attempt the slaughter and rape of his people. Perileos is no doubt praying that our mission succeeds, and that we obtain Helen from King Priam’s court – but if we fail, it seems that he fears Agamemnon more than the Carians.”

>cont
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You turn over Castor’s words in your mind – the man has decades of insight into the machinations of power in the Aegean, and you have no doubt his blunt assessment is a true one. “Strange to think that so many nations and kingdoms should live or die by the marriage of a single woman,” you finally reply.

Castor looks at you, eyes unreadable, before responding –

“You have it backwards, Nikandros. My sister Helen will live or die by the marriage between nations and kingdoms.”

With this, he leaves you to consider his words – and you do, wrestling with their meaning. What do you really know of the Oath of Tyndareus, organized by Odysseus and Agamemnon? All of Hellas knows the broad terms of the arrangement, but you know almost nothing of how it was actually negotiated, and for what reasons. The more you learn of the politics of Hellas, the more you feel that you have stumbled ignorantly into the middle of a conversation between elders – there is much that you do not yet understand.

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After weeks at sea, you are at home among the cramped accommodations of the Salaminian galley - wine-dark Ποντος rocking you to sleep during the nights, and boredom during the days. You have a chance to spend significant time with one of your crewmates - but who to select?

>Okay, players, I need one roll of dice+1d20 to determine naval transport speed. Higher is better here.

>As for Nikandros' actions, what do, /qst/?

>Spend time with Ajax. You'd be eager to learn of his opinion about Samos, Ilion and Mycenae. He may know more about the political affiliations of the Hellenic colonies that you are soon to pass. And there is that game of petteia that you owe him...

>Spend time with Teukros. At this point, company with the man is easy, relaxing, and pleasurable. You can count him a friend, true - but you will need to learn his goals, his motivations, as well, and this will take real discourse.

>Spend time with Pollux. What does the greater of the Dioscuri know of the Oath of Tyndareus? And that crack about your spearmanship cannot go undefended.

>Spend time with Castor. You realize that during your previous days with him, you never discussed your conversation with the deity on Delos, or of the message that was delivered to Castor from Hera. You were so busy learning about the methods of the pharmakis, these topics slipped your mind entirely.

>Spend time with the Salaminian sailors. Despite your shared time aboard, you have not struck up easy friendships with the men like Teukros has. Perhaps it's time to change this!

>Rest your mind, sleep well, and make another attempt at recuperation, to clear the last vestiges of fog from your mind. Please note that Nikon's concussion will fade naturally by the time he reaches Troy, but by selecting this option, Nikon gains the chance to remove his FADING CONCUSSION trait by two "roll-under" CON challenges.

>Something else?
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>>5770549
>Spend time with the Salaminian sailors. Despite your shared time aboard, you have not struck up easy friendships with the men like Teukros has. Perhaps it's time to change this!
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>>5770549
>Spend time with Pollux. What does the greater of the Dioscuri know of the Oath of Tyndareus? And that crack about your spearmanship cannot go undefended.
Combat skills go
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>>5770549
>Spend time with Teukros. At this point, company with the man is easy, relaxing, and pleasurable. You can count him a friend, true - but you will need to learn his goals, his motivations, as well, and this will take real discourse.
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>>5770549
>>Spend time with Pollux. What does the greater of the Dioscuri know of the Oath of Tyndareus? And that crack about your spearmanship cannot go undefended.
What was the dream about bro?
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>>5770549
>>Spend time with Teukros. At this point, company with the man is easy, relaxing, and pleasurable. You can count him a friend, true - but you will need to learn his goals, his motivations, as well, and this will take real discourse.
MABOY
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>>5770549
>Spend time with Pollux. What does the greater of the Dioscuri know of the Oath of Tyndareus? And that crack about your spearmanship cannot go undefended.
me >>5769315
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Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>5770549
I'll roll hopefully it works lol
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>“Strange to think that so many nations and kingdoms should live or die by the marriage of a single woman,”

>say this to the brother of the girl

Nike just bless Nikon with autism?
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>>5770566

Not his most tactful comment, I agree, kek.

>>5770563

>5

Noted. Please note that the “Lebinthian eagles” nightmare was the result of Nikon rolling a 6, for reference.
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>>5770563
Time to meet Odickeus friends
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>>5770571
Ah shit.
LBA greece was a death world.
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>>5770571
Shiiiiiiet
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>>5770571
I wonder if we can end up shipwrecked if things go bad enough and a majority of the heroes end up drowning.
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>>5770549
>>Spend time with Castor. You realize that during your previous days with him, you never discussed your conversation with the deity on Delos, or of the message that was delivered to Castor from Hera. You were so busy learning about the methods of the pharmakis, these topics slipped your mind entirely.


>>5770563
I should have rolled and voted before I went to eat. I knew I should have. Fug.

>>5770571
This is just for speed though. It just means we're running late. Right? Oh fuck the Samians turned on us and they've got a whole fleet waiting around the next bend. AAAAAAAA

Pls no sea monsters.
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>>5770581
And I mean it seriously for that classification, every time you go traveling around, there's at least a 30% of you ending up finding not only a mythological monster, but a even stronger version of it with direct divine ancestry.
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>>5770591
I wouldn't go that far. Not all areas have the same "level requirement". It really depends on where exactly you're going. Paths trod by men for generations are inherently less dangerous than the wilds. But in uncharted lands and waters, oh fuck you're boned.
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>>5770549
>Spend time with Castor. You realize that during your previous days with him, you never discussed your conversation with the deity on Delos, or of the message that was delivered to Castor from Hera. You were so busy learning about the methods of the pharmakis, these topics slipped your mind entirely.

I find it hilarious that Nikon is belting out all of this poetry while concussed.
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>>5770603
>brain damage makes nikon an artist
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>>5770612
heh, aaaany minute now
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>>5770618
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>>5770645
>nikandros' hatred for birds grows
You know, if we prayed hard enough Nike might swoop down with those bigass wings of hears and rescue us. Nah, we'd be too heavy. Even a goddess cannot carry such huge biceps.
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>>5770648
>Nike takes it as a challenge and flaps her wings as much as she can while a group of mutant sharks chase Nikon who is dangling a couple of feet from the water.
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>>5770654
I can see this becoming a huge thing where Nike fails upwards just like Nikon does. Somehow spiraling into the capture of Proteus and learning how Nike can get ahead and Nikon can survive another week.
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>>5770663
>When Nikon figure out that Proteus is a fellow thessalian country bumpkin
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>>5770726
It was so simple, of course, he is disguised as the thing no Thessalian would look askance at. The ubiquitous rock. A genius ploy. Alas he was already in the presence of a genius.

Ah man are Thessalians like, the Scots of Greece?
>seen as slightly less civilized
>live in rough, hilly, rocky and mountainous terrain
>have a "provincial" accent
>probably drink unmixed wine
>throw rocks and logs
Shit.
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>>5770549
>>Spend time with Pollux. What does the greater of the Dioscuri know of the Oath of Tyndareus? And that crack about your spearmanship cannot go undefended.
good

>>5770612
>>5770645
>>5770726
hahaha
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>>5770727
No, that's the Macedonians. Macedonians are not even considered greek, especially not back then.
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>>5770727
I've wondered whether or not Nikon has an accent or speaks a different dialect than the others on the boat.
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>>5770763
Well Macedonia wasn't part of Mycenean Greece at all, so technically yeah, they weren't Greek. I think at the time (1200~ BC) they were considered part of Thrace (not in terms of region but control, but I'm having trouble finding where I got that idea from, so maybe not, but there is a subregion between Iolcus and Pella as far as I'm aware which isn't Macedon proper)? I think only the very southernmost parts of Macedonia were in "Greece" at that time. So hardly worthy of note as proper Hellenes.

>>5770768
I think at one point it was noted that he had an accent. But I can't remember which thread. I might be Mandela effecting super hard right now.
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>>5770768
>>5770772
He was called and considered a provincial in the first court he visited
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You know the Salaminian option (a great option for gaining the sailor/mariner trait) reminds me that, we might want to start looking for recruiting people during this diplomatic travel. Commoners can be of great help.
And we will have only Agyros in our staff, with us once the war starts.

The small issue with this is that we don't have much timae, but we can probably talk no jutzu. Maybe they would be interested in being part of our legend.
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>>5770772
Thessaly and larissa I think. Macedonians were actually thracians still around this point in time. In some of the older histories it was even stated that they were a migrating thracian tribe that settled in the area and adopted Greek ways.
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>>5770842
that feels so much like don quixote and sancho panza

except that in this case the windmills truly are hundred armed giants.
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Salaminian tea party

>>5770551

Pollux
>>5770552
>>5770558
>>5770562
>>5770752

Teukie baby
>>5770555
>>5770561

Castor
>>5770588
>>5770603

—-

Pollux wins! Am hoping to get out an update before 1pm, wish me luck!
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>>5770930

False alarm on the update, won’t be able to post until later tonight, sorry all
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>>5770549
>Spend time with Pollux. What does the greater of the Dioscuri know of the Oath of Tyndareus? And that crack about your spearmanship cannot go undefended.
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Rolled 81 (1d100)

>>5770979
Rolling to not find a sea monster
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>>5770837
Righto, thank you thank you.

>>5770850
So I checked, and the reason I was confused is that apparently Thessaly at the time wasn't Thessaly, they called it Aeolia. Now, in a few hundred years Aeolia is going to be what they call the region just below the Troad. So my problem is I am mistaking regions because when you look them up they like to give classical Greece instead of bronze age Greece stuff. And I am a big stupid.

So Thessaly right now should be called Aeolia or Aeolis, the Troad region is Ilion, and the region beneath it (beneath Mt. Ida) should be at this time Seha. It should extent all the way to the coast across from Lesbos. It should also be a vassal of the Hittite empire and thus our enemy. Fuck them. But later, like 800~ BC it should be referred to as Aeolia, and Thessaly is then called just that. So I was getting hit with mix-ups.

Fun fact that, Aeolic dialect is what that region and up to Troy would be most familiar with at the time. I guess if you go straight over from Greece to colonize it would be right across from Thessaly. Obviously at our time 1200~ BC they're speaking some pigeon language or Luwian, but later they'll be speaking our kind of Greek. Country bumpkins win again.

>macedonians were actually thracians
Eurgh, savages. We should fix that.

>>5770983
If we can be happy about one thing, it won't be Poseidon himself impeding us. He wants us to get there, so we can piss everyone off and kick off the war so Troy will die because he hates those fuckers. Though that is little comfort with all the OTHER water deities and aquatic monsters about.
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>>5771001
>If we can be happy about one thing, it won't be Poseidon himself impeding us
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>>5771017
Fuck off, Hera!
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>>5771001

You’re right about the naming confusion - it’s a big clusterfuck. I’m using HomerQM’s placenames for sanity, I don’t want to get into an Archaic vs Homeric name war.
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>>5771032
It is certainly a lot easier to refer to things by their later names, since they tend to be more defined regions and easily identifiable. If only the bronze age collapse didn't happen so names would be uniform throughout history.

If we pray to Hades hard enough will he shit out a tin mine in Thessaly so we can stop Greece from imploding due to lack of material for bronze-making? That should forestall the inevitable for a little while longer.
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>>5771019
I look it up, and find out that they call her cow eyes goddness because she have Big beautiful eyes

>She chose a anime girl pic as her true form
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>>5771032
The classic conflict between historians

>>5771035
>The whole collapse of the region could have be avoided if people would have face their fear to death

We need to save our kingdom
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>>5771050
>literal anime girl waifu
>still gets cheated on
Zeus has made his decree, 3d is in fact better than 2d. A truly SHOCKING turn of events.

>>5771060
>no don't say his name aloud he might cast his baleful gaze upon us
>hey hades nigga pull up I know you ain't that bad
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>>5771073
Zeus has bad taste, more news at 11
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>>5771073
>>no don't say his name aloud he might cast his baleful gaze upon us
>>hey hades nigga pull up I know you ain't that bad

>"Hades is chill, believe me bro I will show you"
>*Annoys Hades while he was enjoying his long-awaited reunion with his waifu*
>He is thrown directly into the tartarus for all to see.

The Nikon and Nike saga continues...

>>5771078
On the one hand she is not degenerate enough, and on the other hand he is TOO degenerate.
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>>5771109
I don't know, the river Styx is probably should be of the strongest ones around
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>>5771078
Zeus is also a furry. Boy puts on his bull suit way too often.

>>5771109
>hades has a pager that never goes off because no one ever prays to him, instead pussyfooting around his name with various epithets
>right in the middle of dinner with persephone his pager goes off
At any other time he would be bemused. Who could be asking of him? But during visitation hours? Big no no.
>no water
>"I see this as an absolute win!"
kek. Is this the part where Nikon barks orders at the maddened and deranged titans to stand on each other's shoulders so he can climb his way out? Quickly everyone, diplomance the enraged and psychotic huge ones trapped in Tartarus for ages. Or maybe we just ask Tartarus himself if we can leave, nicely.

>>5771114
>nikon makes it up out of tartarus into hades and the land of shades
>slips into the river styx and has nike fish him out
>he is not invulnerable to mortal weapons
FAILING
UPWARDS
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>>5771118
Meant to say now instead of not. My dex is too low.
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>>5771114
>The OG river

So that is his name. Styx. At last, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!
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The whole dipping in the styx to become invulnerable thing isn't a thing in this quest right? IIRC homer said something to that effect.
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>>5771050
If we are talking anime and Greek mythology then I recommend Blood of Zeus.
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>>5771122
It probably isn't a thing, but seeing as gods take reduced (is it half?) damage from mortal weapons, maybe it does confer damage resistance of like, 1/4 for non-magical or something. I will go check to see if Homer said anything.
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>>5771122
Homer did, in fact, confirm that Achilles in not actually invulnerable.
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>>5771126
In a world where we could hypothetically take part of a god's divine essence i.e. part of their soul if we crit hard enough that makes sense. Let's not forget that we are one of the few people alive who know gods have souls and that they can be split.
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>>5771127
I certainly ain't gonna be the man to try. But with Nike's help, maybe we can bully Ares like the punching bag he is. Not really. Let's not beef with the real gods, anyone. Maybe minor spirits if we absolutely have to.
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>>5771128
Nice fantasy. Mine is punishing the river spirit who cost our sister her men, relic, and partial sanity. That or this quest actually last long enough to see us either die gloriously or more impressively survive the war and found a city or become the god husband of Nike.
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>>5771118
>Quickly everyone, diplomance the enraged and psychotic huge ones trapped in Tartarus for ages.
>The good option

>Or maybe we just ask Tartarus himself if we can leave, nicely.
>Try to roll intimidation inside him

>>5771122
From what i read you need to do whole ritual as a baby for the thing to work, sorta like tricking the river into thinking you were born in it so it bless you

>>5771125
>>5771123

What is up with Zeus resting bitch face? I know he can't have funwithout breaking the laws of men, of the gods and of physics, but at least he could try not to show his absolute boredom.
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>>5771131
You would be too if your glory days were behind you and had nothing but time.
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>>5771130
That ain't a fantasy brother, that is a foregone conclusion. The water skank will face retribution. Not even death can stop us from enacting it.

>>5771131
>What is up with Zeus resting bitch face?
His wife nags him constantly and tells him he can't hang out with his friends whores. Of course he's going to have the look of a man haunted by a lack of joy.
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>>5771035
Bit late, however: Some archaeologists now believe that the bronze age collapse was caused by the sack of troy and the subsequent hittite rebellions ceasing the flow of trade throughout the Mediterranean.

Troy was a major center for traded goods that made their way all along anatolia, and down into egypt. There's also evidence that this is what spurred some cultures there to adopt currency, as the earliest records of coins used for greeks is around 950 bc, to help foster trade with egypt because they had adopted the same some centuries earlier.

Also randomly, apparently in jewish history the first recorded holocaust was caused by the Babylonians and Assyrians.
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>>5771147
>Bit late, however: Some archaeologists now believe that the bronze age collapse was caused by the sack of troy and the subsequent hittite rebellions ceasing the flow of trade throughout the Mediterranean.

That Paris simply found the stupid apple stops seeming like a coincidence less and less every day...

>Also randomly, apparently in jewish history the first recorded holocaust was caused by the Babylonians and Assyrians.
Who gas who?
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>>5771152
Yeah they have also posited that the sea peoples were a collection of refugees/raiders that were leftovers from the sack.
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>>5771154
kinda seem strange that there were so many and so well armed refugees enough to topple entire kingdoms though.
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>>5771147
That is pretty interesting. Especially considering the largest tin source that the Greeks would have access to would come from just before India. It was in the middle of Afghanistan IIRC. With another, smaller but still significant deposit further west. And a source down along the path of the Nile.

The other sources which the Greeks might have access too would be in Northwestern Spain. Other minor sources in central Turkey, Serbia, and Sardinia. And a decent one in France.

Greece is perfectly poised to have no access in their own lands to the one material that they need to enable almost the entirety of their metalworking. When trade routes break down, they lose their military. Then they go nuts. If they had a significant source of tin they'd be able to keep their military despite the massive blow in wealth they could have/steal would probably allow them to persist as a major world power far better than they did. They'd have time to properly adjust and adapt to the advent of iron as the dominant force as they economically collapsed.

Precious metal indeed.

>jews getting got by babylonians
Look what happened to them. Yeesh. Brutal.

>>5771152
>puff puff
>Paris was a glowie, Troy was an inside job
It's starting to make sense, make it stop.
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>>5771138
>His wife nags him constantly and tells him he can't hang out with his friends
>friends

Zeus have friends? Like, in the I Can Always Trust You Bro way? I feel that Poseidon is only at his side when they go out in wilds nights

>>5771167
>>jews getting got by babylonians
Another civ to that list.

Iudas survive the river attack? Maybe we could convince his proto-jew tribe that the rivers spirits is after them

>The War of the Dam Alliance
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>>5771184
>Iudas survive the river attack?
He didn't. It still hurts.
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>>5771187
Fuck
I liked our big bro more, but he was cool still
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>>5771194
Panthaleon is currently MIA, but at least Argiros is still around.
He probably is going to deliver the bad news when we call him to join us
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>>5771202
I am so mad that I edited a song of tolkin

The leaves were long, the grass was green,
The hemlock-umbels tall and fair,
And in the glade a light was seen
Of gold in shadow shimmering.
Nira was dancing there
To music of a pipe unseen,
And light of stars was in her hair,
And in her raiment glimmering.

There Nikandros came from mountains cold,
And lost he wandered under leaves,
And where the Evil-river rolled
He walked alone and sorrowing.
He peered between the hemlock-leaves
And saw in wonder flowers of gold
Upon her mantle and her sleeves,
And her hair like sunlight following.

Enchantment healed his weary feet
That over hills were doomed to roam;
And forth he hastened, strong and fleet,
And grasped at moonbeams glistening.
Through woven woods in Hellen-home
She lightly fled on dancing feet,
And left him lonely still to roam
In the silent forest listening.

He heard there oft the flying sound
Of feet as light as linden-leaves,
Or music welling underground,
In hidden hollows quavering.
Now withered lay the hemlock-sheaves,
And one by one with sighing sound
Whispering fell the beachen leaves
In the wintry woodland wavering.

He sought her ever, wandering far
Where leaves of years were thickly strewn,
By light of moon and ray of star
In frosty heavens shivering.
Her mantle glinted in the moon,
As on a hill-top high and far
She danced, and at her feet was strewn
A mist of silver quivering.

When winter passed, she came again,
And her song released the sudden spring,
Like rising lark, and falling rain,
And melting water bubbling.
He saw the holy-flowers spring
About her feet, and healed again
He longed by her to dance and sing
Upon the grass untroubling.

Again she fled, but swift he came.
Nira! Nira!
He called her by her Hellenic name;
And there she halted listening.
One moment stood she, and a spell
His voice laid on her: Nikandros has came,
And bliss fell on Nira
That in his arms lay glistening.

As Nikandros looked into her eyes
Within the shadows of her hair,
The trembling sunlight of the skies
He saw there mirrored shimmering.
Nira the high-fair,
Eternal maiden witch-wise,
About him cast her golden hair
And arms like silver glimmering.

Long was the way that fate them bore,
O'er stony mountains cold and grey,
Through halls of ireon and darkling door,
And woods of nightshade morrowless.
The Aegean Sea between them lay,
And yet at last they met once more,
And long ago they passed away
In the forest singing sorrowless.
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The first day of sailing from Samos is a frustrating one – the breath of Boreas is absent, which is to your benefit, but the riptides and currents are unusually strong, pushing your ships against the coastline of the Troad. At any moment, the winds could return, and so extreme caution must be utilized - there is significant risk of smashing the hulls of your vessels against rocky shoals or the exposed stone cliffsides. As a result, your party creeps along at a snail’s pace, spending almost as much energy keeping your vessels out of the dangerous shallows and away from the cliffsides as you do rowing north. On a few occasions, you’re asked to lend your prodigious strength at the oars to give some of the exhausted sailors a break, and one other time – they need your strength to hold the galley away from a rocky shelf with fire-hardened wooden poles designed for this purpose.

These actions help break up the boredom – but the lack of meaningful activity doesn’t bother you as much as the heat. It is an arid, baking heat – mercilessly driving the moisture from your body. For a man accustomed to the chilly clime of the Thessalian hills, like yourself, it is unpleasant, and you are sweating constantly.

Your other companions seem to be struggling as well. Pollux, in particular, grows increasingly agitated and twitchy as the day of poor sailing rolls on; you wouldn’t dare call him sour to his face, but his cheerful affect has vanished along with the wind. With the sea against you, you realize that it may take weeks, not days, to reach Erythrae. It’s a bitter pill to swallow for Ajax, whose temper flares repeatedly as he directs the Salaminian oarsmen this way and that. The Kings had hoped to reach Ilion by midsummer, and then return to Hellas well before autumn and the dangerous storms of the season, but now - who can say?

You see a few ships crawling north as well, but many more heading south, borne by the favorable tide, presumably with holds full of goods from the colonies beyond Ilion, on their way to the East. These vessels are a broad mix of Hellenic, Phoenician, Hittite and Trojan manufacture, but none appear interested in piracy, as you struggle against the coast. The same dangerous coastline that you are struggling against serves to protect your boats from attack – few pirates would risk running aground or foundering their ship.

By evening, your group of galleys finds a relatively obscured part of the Troad coastline, a shallow bay shielded from view. The mood is glum, as the men drag the ships onto the sandy beach. Years of leading men in the foothills of Thessaly have caused you to detest poor morale – put simply, you cannot stand to let this linger. You must take action to set the men in a better mood! With Pollux’s prior crack at your spearmanship ringing in your ears from yesterday, you have an idea…

Finding Pollux alongside Menelaus, Castor and Ajax by one of the evening cookfires, you get to business.

>cont
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Rolled 7 + 3 (1d20 + 3)

“Honored Pollux, son of Zeus – I beg your attention!” you begin – your overly formal address causing Pollux to roll his eyes, and bearded Menelaus to chuckle.

“I request your assistance in providing entertainment to the crews – after a frustrating day battling with Pontus, and your previous comments about my spearmanship yesterday, my blood is hot! I demand the satisfaction of a sparring match!” You deliver this last part loudly, in mock outrage, and at once, Pollux is springing to his feet, laughing and making mock feints and jabs at your chin, causing you to retreat backwards with a smile on your face. Menelaus speaks –

“Ah, the dour lad can grin after all!”

Practically as one, the crews eagerly prepare a small arena on the sands of the beach, and Pollux is quick to gain the center of the space, knees bent in the boxer's stance and fists raised. The crews, their gloomy mood forgotten, are now wildly betting with one another as to your odds of victory, but before Pollux can launch himself at you, fists flying, you make another request:

“Please, please – Pollux, as a famed pugilist, the overthrower of the Bithynians – I cannot hope to beat you in boxing. I ask for the pleasure of a sparring match with spears!” There is silence for a moment, as Pollux considers this, but he soon stands straightly, and bellows:

“Bring us our bronze!” and there are wild cheers of approval from the men. Even Odysseus seems to be partly risen out of his gloomy mood, a spark of interest in his eyes.

You hear Ajax's booming voice next -

"And my training δόρυ from the hold!" A Salaminian sailor sprints off across the powdery sand to retreat them. The son of Telamon approaches the makeshift arena and says in quieter tones to you and Pollux - "Pollux, Nikandros - don't kill each other. And for your own sake, Nikandros - protect your skull." He delivers this last to you absentmindedly, but you take his words seriously. A second blow to head would be poorly-advised...

Pollux, of course, grins fiercely at you - he will be providing you no mercy here. In a scarce minute, you are fully equipped with your bronze panoplia, your father's shield, and the training δόρυ provided to you by Ajax. Pollux is impatient to begin, prowling across the sands, testing the weight of his own spear.

You set yourself at the ready - solid, unmoving - the anvil to Pollux's hammer. You breathe deeply, and prepare to strike!

>okay, fellas - now you're in a real fight with Pollux! roll me a dice+1d20+1 for NIkon's initiative!
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Rolled 15 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5771230
What the hell are you doing Nikon? You’re still concussed!
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>>5771233
I think anons just read the Pollux part of the vote. or didn't put one and one together that
>And that crack about your spearmanship cannot go undefended.
Would lead to an obvious duel.
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Rolled 13, 5, 8, 1, 20, 15 = 62 (6d20)

>>5771233

>Nikon is fast on the draw here
>Pollux loses yet another initiative roll
>Nikon has had a taste of the crowd now, anon - he's a gloryhound at heart!

okay, fellas, I need THREE rolls of dice+2d20 for Nikon's first round of combat here. Nikon has a +1 to-hit and a +3 for wounding. Please note that Nikandros and Pollux are both in SPARRING MODE, and therefore, their respective STR bonuses are reduced in half.

As for Pollux, he's rolling with a +3 dodge bonus and a +7 block bonus.
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Rolled 20 (1d20)

>>5771239
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Rolled 17, 10 = 27 (2d20)

>>5771239
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>>5771240
Is that a 0 after the 2?
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Rolled 19 (1d20)

>>5771242
Fuck i forgot about the last roll
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>>5771239
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Rolled 6, 18 = 24 (2d20)

>>5771247
fucked up my roll
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>>5771240
>>5771245

As much as it pains me to do this anon, these (beautiful) rolls are rejected.

Write “dice+2d20” in the options field to try again
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Rolled 16, 11 = 27 (2d20)

>>5771249
real
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>>5771249

>17 and 18

It wasn't that bad
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>>5771239
>once again rolling something literally unbeatable
My guy if you don't stop I'm going to suck your toes.
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>>5771277
We're training so hopefully one day we can just kill people under the weight of a Nikon sized bag of dice instead of actual combat.
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>>5771284
What I think is really interesting is that Pollux, one of the most experienced and talented fighters in the world, only barely beats Nikon's ability to brute force through a guard.

Meaning if they both rolled the same, let's say a 15, Nikon would have a 21 and Pollux a 22 to block. So Nikon through bicep alone would NEARLY crush Pollux's guard. That's horrifying to think about. Now remember Ajax has similar levels of strength and Chiron's training on top of it. And Achilles is likely stronger still.
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>+7 block bonus

Man, with strength halved due to sparring trying to get through is going to be difficult, especially considering how everyone always rolls higher than Nikon.
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>>5771297
This makes me think back to the Diomedes fight. The dude crushed several of our ribs and possibly a lung with a single strike. That seems more like he was actually trying to kill us than just "get a feel" for us like he said he wanted to do. Mainly because an injury like that could very well be fatal. LBA is a hellscape beyond our darkest nightmares. Hopefully Pollux actually understands the meaning of "restraint". Because he's about to hit us really hard
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>>5771297
I starting to really understand why stealing the armor of your fallen foes is something we might want to do. The only issue would be finding armor to suit Nikon's size.
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Rolled 4, 2, 8, 2, 18, 3 = 37 (6d20)

>>5771241
>>5771248

>Nikon rolls an 18, 21 vs 16, 27

You leap off the sands faster than Pollux expects, moving directly into a sprinting charge. Between your enormous wingspan and the length of the training spear, you can threaten a huge area - so you do! You sweep your training spear in a wide diagonal, hoping to catch Pollux across the shoulder and disable his spear arm.

Pollux, seeing your attack but unable to get out of the way entirely, quickly retreats with careful steps, bracing against the sand as best as he can. When your spear makes contact - he is there with his shield, smashing out against the blow and making an awful crashing noise, knocking your blow to the side. You're not finished though - you immediately sweep back against his shield, pushing him violently to your left, causing him to stumble. Before he can respond, you unleash a series of heavy volleys against his center mass - but each powerful thrust is captured and deflected by the greater of the Dioscuri.

As you expected, he seems to having fun - a wide grin is plastered across his handsome features, his ivory teeth flashing. The crew surrounding the pair of you are hollering loudly - some of the crowd supporting Pollux, some supporting you.

Finally, you lose momemtum, and Pollux scrambles away, creating distance enough for his counterattack. You brace yourself for Pollux's counter, trying to predict how he might surprise you!

>hold onto your butts, a literal son of Zeus is coming at you
>roll me THREE dice+2d20s. +1 dodge bonus, and +5 block bonus for Nikon.
>Pollux is rolling with a nasty +5 to-hit, +3 to wound. He has a general spearfighting/swordfighting trait on top of his STAT bonuses.
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Rolled 12, 16 = 28 (2d20)

>>5771315
D O D G E
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Rolled 6, 8 = 14 (2d20)

>>5771315
I hesitate to call him a jobber for that shamfur dispray
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Rolled 1, 9 = 10 (2d20)

>>5771315
me >>5770562
Sucks to suck, Pollux.
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If I'm looking at this right...

>13 for Dodge vs 13 to hit
>21 to Block vs 21 to wound

Uh... we win ties, right?
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>>5771325
Our one protag power. Si.

We - by the skin of our teeth - avoid damage. Nice showing, brothers.
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Rolled 19, 14, 10, 17, 20, 15 = 95 (6d20)

>>5771318
>>5771320
>>5771321

>Nikon rolls a 13, 21 vs Pollux's 13,23
>Nikon manages to dodge, KEK

Pollux prowls back and forth, just out of range of your attack - but you don't budge, planting your feet firmly in the earth, not allowing him to draw you into motion. Patience is your ally here.

His feet blur, and he is suddenly leaping through the air - but as he takes flight, he slides against the sand - the lack of good footing robs his leaping ambush of its speed, and you're just narrowly able to step backwards, watching his training spear flash across your visor - he missed your helm by fingertips! Pollux curses in frustration - this is a friendly bout, but the man is a born competitor - he wants to WIN.

However, to your great pleasure, this is becoming a true duel - you're holding your own against Pollux, greater of the Dioscuri! You trade several feints and jukes with Pollux, each of you hoping to draw the other into a mistake.

The crowd's raucous calls fades as they realize the same - Ἁρποκρατες, god of silence, deadens the noise in your ears, and you hear only your heartbeat, the shifting sands underneath your sandals, the creaking of your bronze armor as you whirl and move against Pollux. You are hunting now - waiting to right moment to attack.

>okay fellas, give me another THREE rolls dice+2d20! Bonii and malii as I have previously described!
>I won't let this duel go on for perpetuity, btw. If Nikon and Pollux fail to damage one another after four rounds of combat I'll call the fight a draw (failing upwards for Nikon)
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Rolled 19, 10 = 29 (2d20)

>>5771333
>19
>20
LESCHES PLEASE
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>>5771333

Whoops, ignore my typo - Pollux rolled a 13, 21 - not 13,23. Same outcome though
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Rolled 4, 6 = 10 (2d20)

>>5771333
STOP ROLLING SO HIGH AAAAA
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Rolled 17, 15 = 32 (2d20)

>>5771333
>19, 20
Failing upward is a long and grueling process.
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>>5771333
How'sabout you let me roll for Pollux? You're making things very, VERY difficult here.
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>>5771341
>anon rolls six 20s
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>>5771342
You overestimate my power!
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Rolled 8, 13, 10, 6, 17, 19 = 73 (6d20)

>>5771342
how bout them dodgers, son
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Rolled 7, 20, 16, 10, 16, 13 = 82 (6d20)

>>5771334
>>5771337
>>5771338

the TWQ experience™

>Nikon rolls a 20, 18 vs 22, 27
>Pollux is just too fucking fast.

You see the moment - Pollux over-extending his heel but the slimmest of margins, and you so move forwards with a cunning trick - the false feint. You make a hitching motion with your shoulder as you drive the wooden speartip forwards, causing the point to wobble as it approaches - creating the impression that this is not a true strike.

But you continue your motion, catching Pollux by surprise again! With the wooden speartip driving towards his lower abdomen, he moves unbelievably fast, wheeling out of the way with an artful spin, and shedding the pretense of unbreakable confidence on his part. Even this is a victory - causing Pollux to fight at his full capacity is a demonstration that you are a true threat, not merely a muscle-bound dullard.

From your perspective, it's a phenomenal strike - expertly-crafted, but clearly - there must have been flaws in your technique; some sign that warned Pollux in the fraction of the second before you crushed his guts with your blow.

You are capable of hearing once more - the crews making low calls of appreciation for both your masterful attack and Pollux's lightning-dodge.

You're giving them a real show!

You don't have time to luxuriate in your victory though - Pollux has stepped back in huge strides, and is now sprinting towards you - he's abandoned all pretense of deceit and is attempting a leaping jab at your throat!

>okay guys, let's see how Nikon does - I need another THREE dice+2d20's
>TBQH, surprised that it's still scoreless here. This is the end of Round 2, for what it's worth.
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Rolled 15, 1 = 16 (2d20)

>>5771346
He's going to break a rib or two
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Rolled 20, 17 = 37 (2d20)

>>5771346
oh look another unbeatable roll
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Rolled 7, 12 = 19 (2d20)

>>5771346
Pollux. Pls. PLS
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>>5771348
what you talking about anon, you just beat the wound roll!
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>>5771350
Thank goodness dad's armor is so fresh as fuck.
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Rolled 19, 19 = 38 (2d20)

>>5771346
>>5771348
we're lucky zeus was strolling through in a gorilla suit, enabling crits this round
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>>5771350
I mean it was impossible to dodge, but poor Polly still just can't get a win. Neither can we, though.
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>>5771355
I'll take no win if it means we don't get our throat crushed by a demigod's spear.
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>>5771355
>pollux sees it, finally he will strike, it will connect
>then nikon's shield lurches up and intercepts the strike
>"FUCK"
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Rolled 9, 18, 12, 1, 6, 7 = 53 (6d20)

>>5771347
>>5771348

>Nikon rolls a 21, 22 vs 25, 19
>WTF Nikon is staying alive here

Panic lends you speed - for a moment, you are back amongst the alleys of Mycenae, trading vicious jabs with Pollux against the cobblestones. But you don't lose track of the moment, and again, you move faster than Pollux expects.

Your sandals find purchase against the fine sand, and perhaps due to your greater mass, you're able to launch yourself backwards - buying yourself enough time to raise your father's shield. Pollux is sailing through the air, his spear raised high at your throat, but incomprehensibly, manages to completely reorient his leaping attack in an eyeblink, bringing his spear down low at your groin.

At the last possible instant, you chop down with your father's shield, deflecting Pollux's spear into the sand - the attack defeated, you simply shove Pollux's chest with your shield, causing him to tumble away head over heels without his spear.

Stunned silence follows - you spare a glance at the nobility, and see Ajax watching you with great curiosity, eyes glittering with interest. Menelaus is trading a meaningful glance with Odysseus - some hidden conversation is passing between them.

Having disarmed Pollux - you do what is right. You cast your spear into the sand at Pollux's feet, as he rises, and pick up his abandoned weapon buried into the sand at yours.

Pollux doesn't hesitate to take your training spear, and calls out to you:

"Your honor will kill you someday, Thessalian!" But he delivers the comment with joy - he's clearly pleased with your sportsmanship. "Come then, Nikandros - show me what you can do!"

And you answer his call.

>okay, fellas - here's round three. Give me three dice+2d20's, same bonii as last time.
>This will be the last update of the night, we'll resolve this duel early tomorrow and move along.
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Rolled 3, 6 = 9 (2d20)

>>5771360
HE ROLLED LOW YESSS
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Rolled 8, 19 = 27 (2d20)

>>5771360
>18+3= 21
>we need a 20 to hit with our +1 mod
Fuckin...
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Rolled 6, 2 = 8 (2d20)

>>5771360
god dang not again
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>>5771364
Well at least the GROUND is going to REALLY HATE how HARD we just hit it. Aaaaaah fuck.
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>>5771363
>>5771364
>>5771365

>Nikon rolls a 9, 25 vs 21, 10
>Basically, Nikon takes a home run swing, totally misses, and Pollux cartwheels away

I'll write this up tomorrow.

Take heart, anons - very few people can go toe-to-toe with Pollux for multiple rounds like Nikon is doing. In some ways, he has already won, even Pollux defeats him from here.
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>>5771369
In a world where the first strike is oft the decisive one, coming closer hurts all the more. Well at least Pollux is actually having fun. It'll make it all the more bitter when he lands his strike the next turn and the match is over.
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>>5771369
At least this is going a lot better than the spar with Diomedes wherein Nikon got defeated in basically under a minute
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>>5771379
If word got out that we were somehow withstanding the assault of mighty Pollux, and Diomedes heard about it, do you think he would change his estimation of us, or of Pollux?
>"Damn, that big oaf was giving the greater of the Dioscuri trouble? They must be weaker than I thought."
Would we allow him to trash talk our boys like that?
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>>5771411
>allow

Diomedes would turn Nikon's skull into a cup
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>>5771412
Only if we fought fair. Which in a -real- fight there is no such thing. Brain him with boulders.
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>>5771413
He got magic armor and is fast
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>>5771416
MORE boulders. A rockslide. Drop an entire mountainside on his ass.
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This is another argument for the sling. Clearly Nikon needs to use his insane muscles to sling rocks at Diomedes from beyond visual distance.
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>>5771419
Unless we spec heavily into combat and get a god on our side who can throw hands with Pallas Athena there is no shot Nikon beats Diomedes directly
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>>5771426
Remember the first rule of fighting, if you can't win, you aren't playing dirty enough. Clearly we need to get our hands on black powder, and create a giant grenade to throw at him. Yes. I can see it now, the flash, the roar, the bloody mess.

I'm not serious about fighting Diomedes, even if he talks shit about our friends. But I am serious about outright "cheating" to win fights to the death. Because all that matters is we aren't dead. Knock down mountains. Set fields on fire with the enemy in them. Lay traps out in the forests. Reroute rivers to wash away the enemy encampments. There are no war crimes in the Late Bronze Age.
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>>5771432
>Piss off mountain gods
>Piss off river gods more
>Violate all the rules of honorable Hellenic warfare that the ancient noble class constructed to protect themselves
You are going to get Nikandros offed by anyone and anything with an interest in the status quo
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>>5771433
Fuck river gods. There also aren't actually any "rules" for fighting. If you want to pull your army up in a neat little column and fight it out that's fine. If the other guy comes out of the mist on either end of your troops and sandwiches you, you're the fool who got ambushed. Notice how no one talked shit about Odysseus or the Achaeans for using cunning to butcher everyone in Troy.

It is also important to note, "Honor" is just what you can get away with. Which is why thieves and pirates are only looked down upon when they are caught. Don't get caught up in worrying about honor. Shooting someone in the foot then gangstomping them with a dozen men is fair game. Stabbing a guy in the balls and backing up to watch him bleed out is valid. Winning is what matters.
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>>5771437
In an earlier thread, I'm reminded how Homer stated that piracy is considered an honorable profession, Castor and Pollux being honorable because they're quite good at cattle rustling...and that Odysseus and Achilles are sociopathic murderers by our standards but supremely honorable men.

Also, I'm pretty sure that battles kind of halt at points because a hero falls, and enemies and allies battle over his corpse/armor. Even Hector wanted to drag Patroclus' body back into Troy so he could mutilate it.
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>>5771437
The whole point of the conclusion of the war in the myth is that the norms of warfare and noble conduct steadily lost ground as the carnage carried on year after year. Early in the war heroes were ransomed- by the end Achilles was ritually sacrificing people out of pure seething. Being a hard-core total-war butcher is only going to earn Nikandros status and success as things get worse. Anyhow, the relentless violation of norms is is why Agamemnon got murdered by his own wife and is why Lesser Ajax gets drowned in the Aegean and why is Achilles got shot by Apollo and IS WHY ALL THESE HEROES GET FUCKED OVER. Shanking guys in their sleep is all well and good but thinking that winning is the only thing that matters will lead us down the road of dying a horrendous death to teach youths moral lessons in a millennium.
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sometimes I really hate our dice ngl. every time we almost succeed only to have it stolen from us or slip out of our fingers is painful.
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>>5771440
>hero falls down in battle
>"YO TAKE HIS FUCKIN' J's!"
>mosh pit ensues
That one never fails to get a chuckle out of me. The mad scramble to secure the body for burial and gear for loot or returning to the next rightful owner.

>>5771441
Agamemnon dies because is a stupid prick who pisses everyone off consistently. Maybe if he wasn't swinging his dick around to the point that even the gods told him to shut the fuck up he wouldn't have dug himself into a hole. Achilles dies because that is his fate, which he himself accepts, and the interference of the gods. Locrian Ajax died because he did one of the biggest nonos which is raping someone in a temple. He was kind of an idiot. And then talking shit to the gods at the very last second. Also supremely stupid of him.

None of the things that happened to these heroes and kings happened because they were mean or cruel during battles.

Also, off the top of my head I can't remember anyone being ransomed, but it has been a long ass time since I read either the Iliad or the Odyssey. And I admit I never read any of those other ones like Aethiopis or the Aeneid. So if it was in there I wouldn't have seen it at all. But the idea that they were "supposed" to be ransomed isn't really a thing until much later. If you were ransomed in the bronze age it's because they wanted money more than your death, or because going to where you were from and taking the wealth was a bit too spicy of a trip in their estimation. If they wanted to kill you, you were dead. It was on their children or friends to make a fuss about it at that point, not every noble from here to there.


>>5771447
One day Lesches will job super, SUPER hard. Hopefully for an enemy and not an ally.
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>>5771447
It hurts, but all we can do is rough it out for a level or two till we get another combat trait.
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Fighting Pollux to a draw may give us Kleos.
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>>5771516
Hey man, we still got one more round to go. Aim to win. Prepare to lose.
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>>5771369
>In a way you have already won

That depends on where and how hard Pollux is going to hit us. His last attack went for the groin, I really don't want to enter legend as Nikki One Nut!
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Rolled 4, 17, 14, 3, 20, 3 = 61 (6d20)

You throw your bulk into motion, as you churn against the sands - legs pumping. How can you resist the drama of a counter-charge? You simply can't.

You rapidly approach Pollux, who is crouched, dancing on the balls on his feet, slipping from side to side, ready to dodge when the moment comes. His back to the lapping waves, and so you adjust to face him directly. You don't keep him waiting along, and forgo around round of feints, deceptions and false strikes, instead opting for a heroic sweep of your training spear, a titanic horizontal slash at waist-height.

Pollux, amazingly, leaps vertically, almost two strides high over the hardened oak of your spearshaft - with the agility and power of a lion, he simply sails over the spear, drawing up his legs against his chest, effortlessly avoiding the strike despite being weighed down by his panoplia and shield. His athleticism is outrageous - and you recall Castor stating that he is much reduced in power after his bargain with Zeus. You cannot imagine what it might have been like to duel the man as he was as an Argonaut.

You curse your luck and there are groans of disappointment from the crew watching - all in all, it was poorly conceived strike, and you lose the momentum in the fight as you about face, recentering yourself and awaiting Pollux's counter. Now, you have the waves to your back, and you see the crowd of nobility and a hundred sailors eagerly awaiting the next development in the duel.

Pollux lopes away from you in the circular pattern, gathering momentum for yet another charging attack - no doubt he simply means to whittle you down with pounce after pounce. Both of you are breathing hard - rivers of sweat flowing underneath your bronze. It's still tremendously hot, even with dusk approaching, and with your flesh hidden by your armor, the moisture cannot escape into the air. Pollux completes his wide gyration and is now jogging back towards you, building up speed, his sandals barely making contact with the sands as he flies!

>okay fellas, give me another THREE rolls dice+2d20! Bonii and malii still the same.
>I'm rolling for Pollux; this is the end of turn three of the duel.
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Rolled 13, 7 = 20 (2d20)

>>5771548
Wow, another 20 by Pollux. What a surprise.
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Rolled 20, 7 = 27 (2d20)

>>5771548
Oh my
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>>5771550
Oh yes!
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>>5771551
We cannot dodge anon, he has a 22
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>>5771553
What I meant was we are still in the fight and don't embarrass ourselves.
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>>5771554
True, based on the dice rolls this has been quite the showing.
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>>5771556
I consider it a win so long as we don't get knocked unconscious or gain a serious wound.

Afterall, the greatest feat in the greek world is going the distance.
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Though I’m pretty sure if we take a hit here we will have to throw in the towel as our strength will not get through his armor.
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Besides, we are showing Pollux that we are a worthy training partner and that our last spar with Diomedes was not indicative of our actual skills.
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Also, gods above there’s been a lot of 20s I’m this duel
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Rolled 12, 1 = 13 (2d20)

>>5771548
I suppose I'll roll. Here's to a good showing.
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>>5771561
Well then, it looks like we're going to take a hard hit. Apologies, anons.
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I think it's safe to say Pollux is now one of our friends.
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Rolled 2 (1d2)

>Nikon rolls a 21, 12 vs 22, 23

Okay, Pollux finally connects!

I'm rolling a dice+1d2+3 for Pollux's damage roll here. The training spears are pretty safe to use for sparring (thus the 1d2) and Pollux is still sparring (so his effective STR bonus is only +1)
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>>5771586
We just have to make it one more round. Our regeneration might carry the day.
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Incidentally, I am curious what color our vitae is. My headcanon is that divinities are purple or gold, nobels are blue or a deeper shade of red/bronze, and normies are standard red.
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>>5771593
Wouldn't it be a draw only if Pollux didn't hit for four rounds? It's over
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>>5771594
Incorrect. In the Illiad all gods have black ichor for blood.

Mortals have red, so ours will most likely look coagulated.
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>>5771596
Found it
>>5771333
Here
>If Nikon and Pollux fail to damage one another after four rounds of combat I'll call the fight a draw (failing upwards for Nikon)
I say we should accept the defeat instead of pulling a Diomedes fight and continuing the spar, to avoid Concussion 2: Dioscuri boogaloo
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>>5771597
Thanks for the answer.

>>5771599
Put it to a vote. It's just one more round.
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>>5771599
yeah i agree they got enough entertainment, Pollux got his win and we can still walk away mostly straight.

let Ajax take our place next if they want the bis
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>>5771600
But why one more round? The whole point of the four rounds number was because it would end in a draw if he didn't hit, which Pollux just did.
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>>5771605
I wanted us to land a hit.
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>>5771597
wouldn't that look like petrol?
very thick and black looking blood like fluid, unspeakably foul and burns well opposite to water

>>5771608
i'm looking at the concussion damage and that was a 6 damage roll making us unconscious, so the 3 we got here is bad enough to stop without being embarrassed by it.

i mean the eagle would have killed nikon with a 10 and we're already almost a third of the way there.

we're already lucky we can take a hit, to continue rolling hitting pollux would be HIGHLY improbable compared to the chance of us landing in a bed for the next three months.
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>>5771610
5 damage, anon. We’re taking 5 out of our 10.
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>>5771612
oh yeah, i added the strength bonus instead of the damage bonus. my bad...

so we may not even be able to walk at all for a few hours.
(unless Lesches rolls a 20 on the wound severity and we end up vomiting blood for a while)
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>>5771615
If I’m recalling right, Diomedes first hit did enough damage to Nikon’s ribs that without the intervention of the healers at Agamemnon’s palace we might of ended up drowning in our own blood, and that Nikon’s healing was so fast that they had to break the ribs so they healed right. Luckily Castor is here.
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>roll best possible result
>still not enough

And Lesches is still rolling ridiculously high with his own bo3. The dice truly hates Nikon. Tyche must die.
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Pollux surprises you - rather than another leaping assault, he slides low, chopping horizontally at your left leg rather striking out at your neck or helm.

To your credit, you dodge as fast as you possibly can - but your heavy feet just can't move fast enough - the solid shaft of Pollux's training spear crashes against your shin with an awful cracking noise!

>Pollux connects for 5 damage!
>Nikon is now at 5/10 wounds, will take -4 roll malus for any continued combat rolls.

You involuntarily shout in agony, toppling to the wet sand - you desperately bring your shield above your neck and upper chest to prevent a strike against your helm. Pollux, perhaps not satisfied with a crippling blow, continues to unleash hammer blows against your shield and armor, but your father's bronze holds true! Finally, you catch Pollux 's spear with your own, and forcibly push him back as you struggle to stand - your left leg is fragile, weak, and as you take your footing, bolts of pain shoot from the point of contact - you suspect the bones are cracked.

Pollux retreats to a safe distance, prowling like a lion once more - the crowd is cheering at the first successful blow!

Wounded as you are, you gauge the value of continuing the sparring session...

>this is a flash vote that will end at 12pm EST

>Continue the fight? Please note that if Nikon goes to 0 wounds in a sparring encounter, this will trigger an injury table roll that resulting in his concussion.

>Surrender the duel to Pollux - you've already proven your point - that you can match one of the greatest sons of Zeus (reduced as he is) in combat for a sustained period of time.
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>>5771623
>Surrender the duel to Pollux - you've already proven your point - that you can match one of the greatest sons of Zeus (reduced as he is) in combat for a sustained period of time.
I’m not getting another concussion
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>>5771623
>>Surrender the duel to Pollux - you've already proven your point - that you can match one of the greatest sons of Zeus (reduced as he is) in combat for a sustained period of time.
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>>5771623
>Surrender the duel to Pollux - you've already proven your point - that you can match one of the greatest sons of Zeus (reduced as he is) in combat for a sustained period of time.
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>>5771623
>Surrender the duel to Pollux - you've already proven your point - that you can match one of the greatest sons of Zeus (reduced as he is) in combat for a sustained period of time.

we did good but to continue is to flirt with death
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>>5771623
Was hoping the damage would not be this serious and we could continue, but given the severity of the injuries, it would be idiotic to continue.
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>>5771623
>Surrender the duel to Pollux - you've already proven your point - that you can match one of the greatest sons of Zeus (reduced as he is) in combat for a sustained period of time.
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>>5771631
Yeah, combat in this quest is brutal as fuck.
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>>5771633
Thank goodness we had a reroll for the big bird
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>>5771634
>Thank MAXIMUM SEER we had a reroll for the big bird
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>>5771639
He had plenty to spare
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>Continue the fight? Please note that if Nikon goes to 0 wounds in a sparring encounter, this will trigger an injury table roll that resulting in his concussion.

We regenerate 2 wounds per turn due to our godly blood. We literally can’t get downed in the next round.
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>>5771648
Think of the larger picture anon. Our reputation is like Ajax's, a no brained brute who is incapable of thinking ahead.

Not to mention we risk seriously injuring ourselves and slowing the journey doing so.
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>>5771648
We are wounded, so now we have a -4 malus dude.

Unless Pollux roll under 7 and we 15 or higher every round, we can die
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>>5771648
We still have the result from that 6 coming up, better to not be at death's door when it come up.
But I might be paranoid and it was only the slow wind and the boredom
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>>5771650
This fiction is one of our greatest shots at staying alive.
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>>5771623
>Continue the fight? Please note that if Nikon goes to 0 wounds in a sparring encounter, this will trigger an injury table roll that resulting in his concussion.
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Aren’t the terms round and turn interchangeable? And unless I’m misremembering healing applies at the end of a turn, so after initiative, attack, and a defense or damage roll.
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>>5771654
>We’re not taking ANY risk on the next blow
Literally, figuratively, scientifically and philosophically false
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>>5771660
Did he delete his post?
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>>5771662
I did, because it wasn’t relevant. I’m not interested in arguing over this, like he seems to want to, considering he won’t bother to explain how we’d take more than 1d2+3 damage in the next hit.
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>>5771662
Yes, the one who accused us of being cowardly shits deleted his own post
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>>5771664
>I did, because it wasn’t relevant.
We are in a fight, talking about the fight is relevant you fool

>I’m not interested in arguing over this
Coward

>Like he seems to want to, considering he won’t bother to explain how we’d take more than 1d2+3 damage in the next hit
Here
>>5771648
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>>5771667
>>5771651
Wrong post
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>>5771673
Could you explain how the damage works in relation to the hit/block rolls? Are there degrees of success that determine the damage? Or is the weapon damage static? What you linked explained nothing.
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>>5771679
QM explained it here too, but perhaps it was too confusing and detailed for someone as brave and heroic as you.
>>5771239
>okay, fellas, I need THREE rolls of dice+2d20 for Nikon's first round of combat here. Nikon has a +1 to-hit and a +3 for wounding. Please note that Nikandros and Pollux are both in SPARRING MODE, and therefore, their respective STR bonuses are reduced in half.
>As for Pollux, he's rolling with a +3 dodge bonus and a +7 block bonus.

The first roll is dodge, determine if the hit connects.

The second roll is blocking, it determines if the hit connects on the shield.

If we lose the first, but win the second, the hit is blocked.

If we lose both, Pollux rolls 1d2+3 to deal damage to us, effectively flipping a coin, so 50% chance of 5 damage

We have 10 HP in total, now 5.

The last time we were in a similar situation, we suffered a concussion from which we have not recovered yet.

We have a broken leg now. -4 malus.

If before it was difficult not to lose, now it is more difficult not to leave with a non-debilitating injury.
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>>5771686
Thanks, anon. This fight really helped convince me that we need an actual combat trait.
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>>5771691
Maybe Pollux wold be willing to teach us one?
We likely would only get to pick one or two weapons at most, compared to the chargen traits that gave proficiency in all of them, but it's better then nothing.
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>>5771686
We also would regenerate 2 of oir hp after our attack, which we’d be doing next, If I’m not wrong. Also, shut the hell up with the sass. I retracted my post for a reason. I felt that I was being unfair with that comment. That said, you’re just acting like a child right now. Grow up.
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>>5771695
No we regenerate after the end of each round, which means that he can down us this round.
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>>5771694
Isn't that the intention with taking the Pollux scene in the first place? The more we interact with him in training related scenes the closer we are to him actually training us.
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>>5771691
I'm half-tempted to not chose LUWIAN PROFICIENCY at the next level up, not going to lie.

Becoming friends with Pollux as we have done is a good path.

>>5771695
>We also would regenerate 2 of oir hp after our attack, which we’d be doing next, If I’m not wrong.
IF, IF Good old Pllux dont get a roll over 11, you hero

>- 4 malus

>>5771695
>I retracted my post for a reason. I felt that I was being unfair with that comment. That said, you’re just acting like a child right now. Grow up.

>He want to run away again

I grow up you legendary breve man, and I learn that if you feel you fuck up something you apologize, because erasing the past doesn't work, it always comes back and waits around every corner.

The Trojan War is a great example.
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>>5771694

Funny, Pollux is about to say something in regards to this.

>>5771658

Ah, for this fight I’ve been treating rounds as follows:

Initiative contest
Round 1 start
Attacker rolls against defender (attacker turn)
If successful, round end, apply damage
If failure, defender gets free counterattack (defender turn)
Then Defender rolls against attacker.
If successful, round end, apply damage
If failure, round 1 end.

And then move on to round 2, etc

I’m still tinkering with the round/turn sequences but ultimately, during the diomedes duel, Homer implied that Nikon’s wounds regen at the start of his next round of combat, not in the turn that he actually obtains damage in.

So in this case, Nikon takes 5 damage, and im currently interpreting the combat system to mean that he’d have to get through at least one initiative challenge, and at least one Pollux melee attack roll before he would regen 2 wounds at the end of the round. Obviously a -4 wound malus to all combat rolls is very significant, but after one turn of regen, Nikon would have a -2 malus, etc.

Also, as other anons have already noted in the thread - CONmaxxing not only makes you harder to damage in the first place but additionally effectively reduces your wound malus in the event of a wounding. Unlike most named characters in the Iliad, Nikon does have active regen, which is not the case for Ajax, for example.

Anyways I reserve the right to tinker with the combat sequence here and there - I’ll communicate any changes if I implement any
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>>5771709
Nice, I'm picking up whatever combat trait he gives us and pumping CON next level up.
All these brushes with death/severe injury are going to give me a heart attack.
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>>5771709
>>5771711
Haven't we had access to Dioscuri Training for a while now, anyway? As a perk selection choice, that is.
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>>5771623
>Surrender the duel to Pollux - you've already proven your point - that you can match one of the greatest sons of Zeus (reduced as he is) in combat for a sustained period of time.
Enough of an achievement on its own
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You’re beaten – hobbled as you are, you don’t stand a chance to bring down Pollux, or even survive the next exchange of blows. You pushed hard within the duel against Diomedes Tydides without any thought to the consequences, but you’re now wiser – best to submit in a sparring match before significant injuries are dealt. You don't want to add a p

You plant your spear into the sand, raising your right palm in the universal gesture of surrender. Cheers and shouts emerge from the crews – a valiant loss, and there is no shame in this for you. Pollux is grinning ear-to-ear – planting his own spear, he approaches to congratulate you on your performance, clapping you on the shoulder:

“Well fought, Nikandros! You continue to impress me, Thessalian. A shame that I never witnessed your father’s actions on the battlefield, no doubt you inherited your size and strength from him…”

Pollux says warmly, the cheers from the crowd of Salaminians, Spartans and Samians continuing as he assists you hobbling back to the cooking fires. But as you make your way, his eyebrows lower, and he continues more seriously – “But you must know, Nikandros – despite all my achievements, I was never accounted one of the great spearmen of my time. I've never been able to iron out the flaws in my technique. As an athlete, I was unmatched – but as a soldier, there were men who were my superiors in spearmanship and swordsmanship, divine ancestry or not. If we go to war – you must find the time to be tutored properly in these arts, if you hope to outlive the conflict. If you train with me, I can make you into a great athlete – but I cannot turn you into an expert spearman. You must look elsewhere if you hope to become one." During this last statement, he nods his head at Ajax, his eyes carrying his meaning - A student of Chiron can grant you the training that you need, Thessalian.

You nod seriously, contemplating his words – the advice does not come off as patronizing; but instead, the thoughtful advice of a good friend.

Settling back into the campfire, you remove your panoplia, and Castor tests your left leg – he declares it fractured, and binds it tightly with a brace:

“For a man of common blood with the same injury, I would tell him to avoid placing his weight on the limb for five months; broken bones of the lower leg are very slow to heal, even if my advice is heeded properly. For a man of your constitution and ancestry – perhaps a week, to ensure that the bone sets properly. Keep Ajax’s training spear – you can use it as a staff until you are mended.”

You are frustrated to learn that the recovery will take so long – but you quickly realize that aboard the galley – it will hardly matter, cooped up as you are. You resign yourself to further boredom aboard the Salaminian vessel, as Nyx’s purple shawl ascends over the vault of Ouranos, as you feast upon goat and Delian grain...

>cont
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>>5771758
I see, so Dioscuri training is the equivalent of tier 0 gifted athlete, while whatever we get from Ajax would be 0 student of Chiron.
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>>5771763
>while whatever we get from Ajax would be 0 student of Chiron.

I won't go that far, but yeah, Ajax training will help us big time
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>>5771758
>You don't want to add a p
You WILL p
>>5771763
That's a buff to STR and AGI, so I'll still take it.
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>>5771767

Goddamnit, I wish 4chan had a "post edit" feature.

"You don't want to add a p"

should read as

"You don't want want to add a semi-permanent limp to your concussion..."
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>>5771767
Perhaps consider upgrading giant instead? A buff to STR and CON may serve Nikon better, along with likely increasing stat caps. Also, big rocks.
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To the displeasure of all, the sailing to Erythrae continues to be mediocre, although your bout with Pollux does much to improve the mood of various crews for a few days. It’s only with Odysseus’ expert guidance that your ships make real headway, and even then - some days, your galleys hardly make any progress at all. Ajax and Menelaus, taking your lead, organize sparring bouts and contests between the various nobility and crews to keep the men entertained and morale as high as possible, even while struggling against the currents at sea. As for you – you follow Castor’s advice, hobbling about on Ajax’s training spear, and helping the Salaminians at the oars for lack of something to do.

You continue your association with Teukros and Pollux – the bonds of friendship growing between you, although you learn nothing of substance in these days of recuperation for you. Ajax’s mood is foul, Teukros informs you, due to the difficult sailing – you would not have known, given his expressionless exterior. The bastard of Telamon advises you to keep your distance, and perhaps approach him once Erythrae is behind you.

Your expedition is granted one boon by Zeus as you travel northwest along the Ionian coastline – your group remains unmolested by pirates and raiders from the sea, and also from the land – between Odysseus, Ajax and Menelaus, the team of six ships continues to find hidden nooks and crannies along the shore where your team can rest hidden during the nights, and during the day, your tightly-clustered group must look too strong to risk assault.

Needless to say – the crews are exhausted after ten days of hard rowing – even the Salaminians betray bone-deep weariness as you round the peninsula of Melaena. The peninsula, you are informed by Andocides, has gained its name to the phenomenal quality of its soil – black and rich with the blessings of Demeter Πολυφορβος, and he provides you with this information as well:

“There are men who eat bread everywhere along the Aegean, Nikandros – but here, the men grow fat dining on the substance of their harvests. I am told that the men of this place send much of their resources to mighty Ilion, and further East, to appease the masters of King Priam.”

Once Erythrae is in sight, the Samian vessels quickly about face, without so much as a goodbye to Ajax and Menelaus. They quickly disappear under the horizon with the currents in their favor and the halting breeze now lending them speed. As for yourself – you are proclaimed mended by Castor at approximately the same time, your brace removed, and the training spear returned to Ajax, who only grunts roughly in acknowledgement.

>cont
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>>5771774
Too late, now Nikon is afraid of P
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Around this time, you also find a moment to converse with Pollux - it's finally the right time to inquire about the dream that he and Castor had been sent by cow-eyed Hera.

"The dream? You make it sound so ominous in your questioning, Nikandros." Pollux shakes his head, chuckling.

"The spouse of Zeus, Hera Γαμηλια, had a simple message for us - that after seven decades, she has decreed that we are to be married and to spark noble houses of our own. In the dream, she disclosed that she had finally given up her hostility, as favorites of Zeus, and will not stand in the way. Previously, Castor and I had avoided the possibility of marriage - after all, this is Hera's domain, and before gaining her blessing, any such union would have been doomed to failure."

You're surprised by the relatively mundane nature of the message, but the implications are tremendous - if Pollux and Castor marry, they would almost certainly become Kings. If this information became common knowledge, it could spark paranoia amongst the Kings of southern Hellas - after all, should the Dioscuri ascend to a throne, even sharing one, given their unbreakable fraternal bond, they would have to topple another in the process. Pollux leaves you to your thoughts, telling you not to worry about such things.

"Don't be alarmed, Nikandros - you have a decade or more before marriage is forced upon you!" he cries out cheerfully, winking.

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Erythrae itself is a disappointment – perhaps fifty wooden hovels huddled around a stone manor hardly bigger than your own estates back in Thessaly. Odysseus and Teukros manage to secure fresh water, and additional supplies from the Erythrians – Teukros successfully passing himself off as a young Dardanian prince, with a Hellenic steward, who happens to be on one of his first sailing ventures. The rest of you are strictly advised to stay within the galleys – especially you and Ajax. As enormous men of clearly Hellenic noble origins, your presence in Erythae would only raise alarm and potentially endanger the mission - some enterprising man of the Troad must choose to capture you all for ransom, despite your sacred status as envoys.

After a day of rest, your two vessels sets out once more – this time, sailing to Lesbos. The journey is more than half over, at this point, but high summer is approaching - Ajax and Menelaus are clearly feeling the pressure, as they demand that the Salaminians and Spartan crews redouble their rowing efforts.

As for you - you consider Pollux's words after your duel carefully, and consider who you might spend your time with for this leg of the journey:

>vote post coming next
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I need ONE roll of dice+1d20 to determine naval traveling speed and other happenings.

Please note that I will give Nikandros a chance to switch ships at Lesbos, if the players would like to make the last leg of the journey with Menelaus, Odysseus and Palamedes, rather than being aboard the Ship of CHADs

>As for Nikandros' actions, what do, /qst/?

>Spend time with Ajax. With Erythrae behind you, perhaps his mood is better, and you cannot forget Pollux's advice. If any man aboard the galley can correct the deficiencies in your combat skills, it would be him. And there is that game of petteia that you owe him...

>Spend time with Teukros. At this point, company with the man is easy, relaxing, and pleasurable. You can count him a friend, true - but you will need to learn his goals, his motivations, as well, and this will take real discourse.

>Spend time with Pollux. Per usual, you had gotten caught up in the excitement of your duel and then the subsequent rehabilitation of your leg. You had entirely forgotten to inquire about his experiences as the Oath of Tyndareus was being concocted and sworn.

>Spend time with Castor. You realize that during your previous days with him, you never discussed your conversation with the deity on Delos. Also, you wonder if he might have more to say about his time upon the Argo?

>Spend time with the Salaminian sailors. Despite your shared time aboard, you have not yet struck up easy friendships with the men like Teukros has. Perhaps it's time to change this!

>Rest your mind, sleep well, and make another attempt at recuperation, to clear the last vestiges of fog from your mind. Please note that Nikon's concussion will fade naturally by the time he reaches Troy, but by selecting this option, Nikon gains the chance to remove his FADING CONCUSSION trait by two "roll-under" CON challenges.

>Something else I haven't thought of?
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>>5771789
>>Spend time with Ajax. With Erythrae behind you, perhaps his mood is better, and you cannot forget Pollux's advice. If any man aboard the galley can correct the deficiencies in your combat skills, it would be him. And there is that game of petteia that you owe him...
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>>5771789
>Spend time with Ajax. With Erythrae behind you, perhaps his mood is better, and you cannot forget Pollux's advice. If any man aboard the galley can correct the deficiencies in your combat skills, it would be him. And there is that game of petteia that you owe him...
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Rolled 20 (1d20)

>>5771789
i want off the boat

>Spend time with Ajax. With Erythrae behind you, perhaps his mood is better, and you cannot forget Pollux's advice. If any man aboard the galley can correct the deficiencies in your combat skills, it would be him. And there is that game of petteia that you owe him...
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>>5771797
there journey over thanks Zephyrus you a real bro

i think we should approach Castor on the return trip about the encounter on Delos, right now he's too focused on Helen to think of his future and the gods are probably watching us...
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>>5771789
>>Spend time with Ajax. With Erythrae behind you, perhaps his mood is better, and you cannot forget Pollux's advice. If any man aboard the galley can correct the deficiencies in your combat skills, it would be him. And there is that game of petteia that you owe him...

>>5771778
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>>5771789
>>Spend time with the Salaminian sailors. Despite your shared time aboard, you have not yet struck up easy friendships with the men like Teukros has. Perhaps it's time to change this!
I'm going to buck the trend, fuck off, nobles. And you, Ajax. Later. I want to make sure we don't have some deity playing a prank on us.

But man, what a disappointment. An entirely predictable one, but one nonetheless. These dice really cramp our style. So far our record for beating heroes is only once, and only at Petteia. No I'm not counting holding Pollux down while the rest of the guards came over and Keas invented football with Pollux's face. Group efforts are shared victories. Also not counting the Lil D. Because that would make our ratio substantially worse. Ah this mediocrity wounds me. We need more KLEOS!

>>5771797
Congratulations, you have gotten off of the boat.
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>>5771815
>So far our record for beating heroes is only once, and only at Petteia.

That is more that many can dream. Diomedes and Pollux are the at the top of their respective generations.

Be patient anon, and be careful. Our glory is coming, and we need to be ready for when it tries to kill us.
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>>5771818
With each day that our legend does not grow, father is shaking his head at us in the fields. We need to get so famous that people won't fuck with our sister while we are away out of fear of our return. There is much to do, patience is only a virtue a millennia from now, anon!

I know. But my eyes are getting sore from constantly rolling over the dice.
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>>5771789
>Spend time with Ajax. With Erythrae behind you, perhaps his mood is better, and you cannot forget Pollux's advice. If any man aboard the galley can correct the deficiencies in your combat skills, it would be him. And there is that game of petteia that you owe him...

Petteia is well and good but how about a bout of armwrestling?
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>>5771824
Is really painful to me see how close Nikandros steps are from Thanatos's and Keres's.

I want that he could see Nira a last time at least...
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>>5771789
>Spend time with Ajax. With Erythrae behind you, perhaps his mood is better, and you cannot forget Pollux's advice. If any man aboard the galley can correct the deficiencies in your combat skills, it would be him. And there is that game of petteia that you owe him...
THE TRAIT AJAX! HAND IT TO OVER!
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>>5771837
The thing that sucks about traits is that we still have to buy them on level ups. And they'll probably be expensive. And thus limited in the number we can actually pick up. And there are tons of good ones for us right now. So it's almost like a case of constantly jingling keys, more distracting than useful.

Also the fact that if we don't pick them they go away and I guess we would have to re-unlock them to pick again. So now we've got like six of the fucking things on the backburner and there's no way to get them all.
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>>5771842
And I think that the coin we get to buy them is the same to upgrade the ones we already have, so we will have to choose between the even more options
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>>5771854
Think we get 1 or 2 trait points on level up. The cost corresponding to the tier of trait. I think they're separate from stat points. I dunno though. All I know is it sounds like a huge pain in the ass.
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>>5771842

In fairness, I won’t make you guys “re-unlock” these level up traits.

However, obviously the traits are contingent on Nikandros being in close proximity to the trainer for a substantial length of time. If Nikon unlocked “Greek Literacy” through being bros with Palamedes, and then Odysseus later ganks Palamedes - Nikon is out of luck, he’d have to find a new Greek literacy Tutor to befriend.

This will no doubt be a controversial decision, but I might as well pull the bandaid off now - level-ups occur when Nikon satisfies NARRATIVE progress, per Homer, not strictly experience progress. He will level up to 3 upon his return to Mycenae, presuming that he successfully tanks the diplomatic talks; he won’t level up before then. Everyone will be hunkering down for winter and getting ready for a massive naval invasion, so that’s likely when Nikandros’ trait training will occur.

Finding Achilles was a really big fucking deal, but Nikon hasn’t done anything of huge importance since then - it’s been less than 3 months! Successfully setting off the Trojan war would also be a big fucking deal.

Just want to be clear that Nikandros is not going to learn the entire Luwian language in six weeks of naval travel or become a gifted athlete like Pollux while trapped on a 50-foot boat.
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>>5771859
so, the war is going to take ten years, does that mean we'll be fighting to take some of the islands as beach heads in the meantime?
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>>5771861

100% probability, yes.

50,000+ troops are about to cross the Aegean, and Nikandros is one of the only men in Hellas who understands the phenomenal logistical challenge here. You can’t just park a thousand ships on the Trojan beach with no supply plan.

Players will definitely be able to choose how Nikandros will assist the war effort at every stage.
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>>5771865
Hell yeah, this is gonna be fun.
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>>5771859

>However, obviously the traits are contingent on Nikandros being in close proximity to the trainer for a substantial length of time. If Nikon unlocked “Greek Literacy” through being bros with Palamedes, and then Odysseus later ganks Palamedes - Nikon is out of luck, he’d have to find a new Greek literacy Tutor to befriend.

Make sense really

>Just want to be clear that Nikandros is not going to learn the entire Luwian language in six weeks

Are you telling me that the guy who barely remembers a life outside of Greece can't teach someone with a concussion a new language in less than two months?

That sound crazy

Let us make money on troy please
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>>5771865
storming beaches sounds fine but the actual naval skirmishes of the war against the Troyan navy seems best left to the actual sailors

i'm eager to see how that pans out.
do the Troyans actually have a dedicated port or was it like Rome who depended on a smaller city like Ostia?
do they even have a navy or only allies?

will their masters be present for the peace talks?
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>>5771875
>do the Troyans actually have a dedicated port or was it like Rome who depended on a smaller city like Ostia?

Smaller citys in general for what I read, the city was somewhat far from the beach

>do they even have a navy or only allies?

They have ships, but they trust in their allies's for fighting
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>>5771875

Most of this will be revealed in time, but Nikandros already knows the answer to this question:

>will their masters be present for the peace talks?

In character, Nikon knows that King Priam of Troy is a vassal to foreign kings, far to the east in central Anatolia. He doesn’t know much more than this, but it would be highly unlikely that these foreign kings would be present in Troy. The council is expected to be your diplomatic party plus Priam and his trusted advisors. I have some tricks planned here and so can’t say more.
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>>5771859
>can't even pick up the basics
>like was specifically planned for when interacting with teukros way back when
Yeah that one stings. Needing to keep people around to unlock stuff makes sense though. It's not like Nikon can take notes kek

>Successfully setting off the Trojan war would also be a big fucking deal.
I mean it wouldn't really be us doing that. That's just the natural outcome of this venture considering all the people involved. Priam is too reluctant to give up his son. Hector is too stalwart to bully. Paris gets handjobs under the table from Aphrodite that make people tolerate him. Menelaus is a passionate man filled with righteous indignance. It's a powderkeg.

I'd argue getting everything back and Paris along with it is an even better outcome than the war for Nikon. Despite wanting to go to war to gain glory. But that's basically the V. Hard difficulty path.

But honestly, it seems like the trip to Troy itself is becoming more of an epic tale than anything else. Immediately beset by pirates, a contest with divine interference, giant birds from the very nightmares of those locked in deepest Tartarus, struggling against the weather. We really need to learn how to read and write, so we can start chiseling this shit down for future readers. Nikon's bizarre adventure must be preserved.
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Do we still plan to invent psychological warfare?
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>>5771885
>I'd argue getting everything back and Paris along with it is an even better outcome than the war for Nikon. Despite wanting to go to war to gain glory. But that's basically the V. Hard difficulty path.

I mean, all Electra want the honor of her house back, be on war or in peace, no matter how.

>Nikon's bizarre adventure must be preserved.
This, lets to talk to Palanerd and see if he can write down our story and everything that happen after everyone meet on the ship
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>>5771797
Also, this roll feels really significant since a 5 resulted in so much hardship. Ocean bounty?
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>>5771893
>I mean, all Electra want the honor of her house back, be on war or in peace, no matter how.
I'mma be real with you, I don't care what Electra wants. The only reason I'm considering her wishes at all is because we swore to it.

I wonder if Paladweebes is going to cozy up to Nikon once Odysseus starts being more overtly antagonistic toward him. Trying to hide from the Ithakan king in the shade of a Thessalian giant. Nah, Palamedes is smart but honestly pretty gullible. I mean really "Hey dude, I found some treasure, come help me get it. Yeah it's in that well over there, take a look.".
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>>5771892
That is one of the reason why i want to learn Liwan, yes

>>5771896
>The gods bless us with beautiful, moving views of a peaceful sea and a pleasant climate.
>"Nothing can go wrong-"
>A golden hydra appears out of nowhere

>>5771900
I too, but I have a thing with debts and oaths

Classic High INT/Low WIS
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>>5771906
>a golden hydra appears
>free gold
>free snakeskin shoes
I want to add a layer of hydra skin over our shield for extra protection. I want to wear its skull. I want to throw jars of its poison at enemies and watch them cry out and melt.

Alternatively, we go hunt a dragon.

>wis as a dump stat
Truly the greatest folly of all. Wisdom is NEVER a dump stat. That's how you fail saves and get beaten to death with a rock.
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>>5771865
Hey boss. Here is a question for you. When Homer was running things there was idle talk of us being able to e act the Fall of Olympus plotline. Is that still a possibility or are we gonna be locked into the traditional TROJAN WAR route?
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>>5771911
>Alternatively, we go hunt a dragon.

One interesting thing I learned, the reason european dragons don't look like those of other cultures is because they are based in part on a type of fire-breathing Greek griffin.

After looking at ancient paintings of dragons and seeing how they have bird beaks, I can certainly see that connection.
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>>5771789
>>Spend time with the Salaminian sailors. Despite your shared time aboard, you have not yet struck up easy friendships with the men like Teukros has. Perhaps it's time to change this!
Something else no more beatings for a while
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>>5771912

Can’t say too much here, anon. Your question would be inconceivable to Nikandros so it seems inappropriate to spoil possible future plot hooks
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>>5771921
I like Greek dragons because they kind of bridge the gap between western and eastern dragons. They're mostly like giant snakes and serpents, but some of them breathe fire or poison/venom. I think hydras are technically classified as dragons? But anyone who kills a hydra is a hydraslayer, not a dragonslayer. Specificity is important, it seems.
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>>5771926
Aight boss. Its fine. I will admit im kinda hoping for it. After all the actions of the Heros during the Trojan War managed to get the rest of the Gods pissed off enough to kill them all off, thus ending the Age of Heros. Really dont want that happening to us TBPH.
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>>5771941
Then we best invest in constitution so we can survive a tactical lightning drone strike.
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>>5771789
Oh and before i forget.
>Spend time with Ajax. With Erythrae behind you, perhaps his mood is better, and you cannot forget Pollux's advice. If any man aboard the galley can correct the deficiencies in your combat skills, it would be him. And there is that game of petteia that you owe him...
GIB TRAIT PLOX.
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>>5771943
>CONMAX
>nikon keeps getting hit with random bullshit that always fails to kill him
>finally zeus gets tired of it and hits him with his thunderbolt
>twenty minutes later nikon stands up and brushes the soot off of himself and goes along his way
We should pick up some WILL so we can't be bullied into suicide.
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>>5771789
>Spend time with the Salaminian sailors.
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>>5771789
>Spend time with Ajax. With Erythrae behind you, perhaps his mood is better, and you cannot forget Pollux's advice. If any man aboard the galley can correct the deficiencies in your combat skills, it would be him. And there is that game of petteia that you owe him...
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>>5771943
I don't think you can survive that with stats, be Zeus or any other gods attack of any kind. Just avoid that situation best defensive measure ever made really.
What you probably want is something of divine origin that can protect us.

>>5771875
I imagine there will be a Hittite nobleman/diplomat there already at court. Like on his own not because of the diplomatic expedition

>>5771824
While Nikandros legend growing would help, home is full of wolves. And Nira is more than ready to cut them down, and ensure the oikos get stronger. I have plans for her. Especially with the cash on hand now (we will need to get even more cash of course, selling more pots and perhaps doing again that performance [rest in piss Damadiches]. Also.... maybe trying to remove those rocks from the centaurs bones maybe there is a few coins down there lol)


>>5771842
I do hope some "basic" traits remain available if there are the conditions for it of course. For example sea warfare cant really be done if you don't know the basics of what sailors and marines do and what roles they have, and there should be available mariners and sailors when the greeks and their allies armies begin to rally.
Land warfare we can do it, but..... Nikandros need refiment there too. I feel like tactical genius and his experience against illyrians, is not enough for actual battles and skirmishes on land. I do believe Tactical Genius can be a very powerful trait for a commander, but i wouldn't send Nikandros just with that in the war.
Thankfully we have Agyros. Hopefully.
Please don't fucking die last father figure of Nik and Nira.

Actually Lesches, can Agyros provide traits to Nikandros once they see eachother again ? A veteran can teach a thing or two. Wait
I guess that would be the same for Deianira. Man that fish bitch will fry when I get my hands on her.
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>>5771943
>>5771950
Capaneus begs to differ about the mortal capability of tanking thunder bolts
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>>5771996
Cappy just didn't conmax hard enough. And he took fall damage when the ladder exploded under him. It was double dipping. THIS ISN'T COPE
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I wonder if we learned from one Student of Chiron (Ajax) we could also learn from the other one (Achilles). I'm pretty sure Achilles likes Nikon enough to help with his training.
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>>5772005
Only if we apologize really well.

>"You think giving me gifts to signify your own accomplishments as you left me here to gallivant across the Anatolian coastline is going to appease me?"
>"Yes."
>"Well you're right these feathers are really cool."

I think he'd just be an alternative source of getting the hand-me-down-style trait. But I can't speak for Lesches. Maybe we would need both of them to upgrade it to a tier 1 from a tier 0?
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>>5772005

Some Tier 0 traits can combine with others in interesting ways.
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>>5771993

Argyros basically has a Tier 1 generalship trait on top of a commoner stat line. Nikon’s military genius trait supersedes Argyros’, so there’s nothing to Nikon to gain by taking the Tier 0 trait that Argyros could offer.

However, could Argyros teach another noble the basics of generalship? Definitely! The char sheets for the main cast are “mostly” set, and it’s certainly possible that I introduce OC donut steel characters later who could have some minimal level of character growth.
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>>5772028
I had never considered characters aside from Nikon learning from others. Does that mean we could teach Achilles how to be a great general, if he asks to learn? Could Teukros teach someone like Menestheus how to shoot better?

I assume for NPCs it's a much, much longer process, and only for some of them. I can't imagine Agamemnon would stand to learn anything from anyone. On top of being an old dog trying to learn new tricks.
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Since we're bringing up topics from the old thread, what do you think about using one of our doses of Nepenthe on Helen?

The reasoning is as follows: It makes no sense that she would fall in love with a worm she met in one day.

The plan is this: Give the dose to Menelaus, explain how it works, and have him give the dose to Helen.

Ideal result:
-Menelaus will give his all in the war in order to recover his wife that love him.
-We earn points with Menelaus.
-We and Nira win Kleos
-If Paris accepts the duel with Menelaus and loses, the morale of the Trojans will be at rock bottom.
-The Trojans will lose the support of the Amazons.

>>5772020
Don't forget to tell him about why we decide go in the mission: For peace and Electra honor

>>5772036
Maybe he can get Sympathy early in the war.
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>>5772050
Another thing i forgot
-Greek people in general will be more sympathetic to the cause of Menelaus
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Hear me out anons. The tier one literate trait gives 4 int stat points. If the tier 0 trait gives us 1 or 2 stat points, and we invest all the points we get at the next level up into int, and our concussion heals, we will then have 24 points in intelligence, i.e. an intellect that rivals lesser gods and is the literal cap boosted maximum.

>24 int = +18 to all int. rolls.

Also, the idea of us becoming smarter after suffering and recovering from a head wound is hilarious. Sort of like the head trauma unlocked our full potential.
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>>5772050
But would Nepenthe work against the powers of Aphrodite?
If it isn't enough, then it would strengthen the trojan's claim, as everyone would think that she did it willingly.
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>>5772057
I don't think we have any real understanding of how game-breaking a max intelligence stat would be before the war even starts. We would literally look like nothing but dumb muscle while secretly being almost as smart as Odysyssues.
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>>5772057
Better to invest in the fighting skill and con, as we are getting the next level up when we come back from the war being declared.
Int won't be of much use if we just get injured and killed right at the beginning.
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>>5772060
>But would Nepenthe work against the powers of Aphrodite?
>If it isn't enough, then it would strengthen the trojan's claim, as everyone would think that she did it willingly.

Dont tell to the troyan that then, just Menelaus that is the one that matter for the plan.

>>5772057
Good plan, but all that on one level up? You have the numbers?
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Upgrade giant trait for higher stat caps and conmax, and then become invincible by virtue of being nigh unable to wound.
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>>5772050
The problem is mainly convincing the Trojans to actually have Helen drink it. They don't know it isn't poison, or some weird brainwashing potion, you know?

Menelaus is still going to give his 100% because he loves her, genuinely. He isn't just smitten with her or infatuated by her looks. He actually really loves her.
If it is a chance to earn Kleos it is valid, especially if it lets us double dip for Nira as well as Nikon.
Though I'd still wager on saving both charges for later in the war. Since there are multiple occasions in which the gods cloud men's judgement. But that's meta so I can't really vote with that in mind.
But taking away the Amazons would be pretty great. But I think they'd still throw in their lot with the Trojans. Fun fact, there are actually male counterparts to the Amazons. The goofy ass Gargarians. All men. But it is a much much later idea. Still fun.

>>5772057
You know, as funny as that would be, with how often we get bushwhacked, ambushed, challenged, assaulted, waylaid and generally attacked, I can't abandon taking CON. Because fuck me everything hits so fucking hard. I refuse to get one-tapped by a fucking bird or evil dolphin with a horn on the way back from Troy.

>>5772060
Well it is reputed to work on all curses of the mind, even those placed by the gods.
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>>5772067
I want to know if we can become a true giant
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>>5772066
Our int right now is 18 (-1 fading concussion) so our nat int is 19.

>(Tier 1) Literate: You can read. This is a rare skill to begin with, restricted to a fading class of scribes born for the task and almost unheard of among the Hellenic nobility. Yet you are not merely literate like the common scribe. You can read common Hellenic, Minoan, Egyptian hieroglyphics, Phoenician, Hittite cuneiform, and likely anything related to these scripts. Consequently, you also have a much-enlarged understanding of the wider world despite your provincial upbringing. (+4 intelligence, a lot of extra knowledge, and the ability to speak the common trading languages on top of the above).

You get an extra stat point per level in the +2/+3 alternating pattern that Homer established.

This will put us at 23 or 24 int.
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>>5772073
>evil dolphin with a horn
That would be a very lost narwhal
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>>5772074
But hear me out.
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>>5772076
Narwhal? Nay, the mythical DELPHITAUR
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>>5772078
>Actually wanting to be like Perturabo
I already have enough self hatred in real life, no need to bring it into the quest as well.
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>>5772075
>>(Tier 1) Literate:
That is a special skill, to be able to read everything. I doubt even Palanerd has it, and I doubt even more that he can teach it on the journey.

But the numbers seem to add up. Maybe you can use a more common intelligence skill to achieve what you want?
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>>5772079
Wouldn't a delphitaur be some sort of dolphin centaur? A horned dolphin would be delphicorn, surely
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>>5772082
It's just a proposed suggestion and I doubt anything will come of it. We all know that the big strong rock build will likely win.
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>>5772082
I am however sure that even the tier 0 skill for literacy will likely give at least 1 int stat point.
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>>5772086
I would like to say that even if your idea doesn't go through, your enthusiasm is still appreciated
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>>5772090
Thank you. I enjoy this quest a great deal.
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>>5772085
Yeah but Delphitaur just rolls better off of the tongue. But imagine how terrifying a dolphin would be if it could go on land. No escape from the rape fish.
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>>5772075
We wouldn't have access to this tier 1, but the tier 0 of it Learned (Greek) which is still great honestly. This tier 1 is far far more difficult to get.
Still a better INT could be of use in war for us. We are not really strong in combat at the moment though, that badly needs to be fixed. Mostly so Nikandros can survive a fight enough for help to arrive

>>5772028
Too bad but fair enough.
Eh i cant see anyone interested in being educated in warfare by Agyros, unless it's someone new under Nikandros.
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I also enjoy the idea of secretly being smarter than everyone around us while appearing as the greek equivalent of a country bumpkin.
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>>5772095
I am well aware, but seeing as how we don't actually have that many traits to examine I made a guess that we would still get 1 or 2 int from the lesser trait given that reading and writing are int-based skills.
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>>5772096
I mean, with our current int that is already mostly true. We're one of the smartest men in Greece. We're just a goofy young man to cut the raw brainpower with silly thoughts.
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>>5772093
>No escape from the rape fish.
Mixing in centaurs would certainly make dolphins even more unhinged rapists, at the very least.
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>>5772095
Also, have you considered it may be easier and less time-consuming to gain int-based traits rather than physical traits as we have much higher int stats that correlate with learning?
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>>5772086
>>5772089
You should try at least anon, you never know
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>>5772101
Rape horse but swimming. Yeah, hopefully if these things ever existed, Poseidon killed them all. Probably for fucking everything before he had a chance.
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>>5772075

Ah, my apologies anon - the stat spread from the beginning of the thread is misleading. Nikon’s base INT is 17 per the original thread. With the fading concussion, his effective INT is now 16, correlating to a +4 bonus. When he fully recovers, his INT bonus will be +5.

So if Nikon dumps all three STAT points from his next level up into Int, he’ll have a +10 bonus to all general INT rolls and a ridiculous +14 bonus to military/strategy/generalship rolls. However, this would come at the significant cost of being murderable.

>>5772089

Correct, Literacy is a INT-based skill and therefore all related traits would boost INT
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>>5772113
Thank you for the correction and the additional information. I still had fun imagining an int build. We do need to spec into con though since we need to be able to survive at least one round of combat whereas right now we can't afford to take a single hit.
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>>5772098
Your guess is probably correct. At least 1 point and the narrative/practical aid of being Learned (greek)

>>5772102
I have considered it but on the other hand ... easy things here in this quest ? Heh
This said i do actually agree with you on having more INT in general. I want at minum the learned (greek) trait, beside the increase of stat, narrative/practical wise it has uses.
Like access to be able to reading things and learning from them (i don't believe the current situation of multiple available heroes and important men to learn from, will always repeat it self during the war. So being able to read books for learn stuff, or just not be fucked over by people through written messages ? Count me in).
Afterall a great commander is made of intelligence and charisma mostly, even if martial prowess does still help in his job and for survival.
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I just want to point out that Locrian Ajax is a dexfag. He's good at throwing shit and running really, really fast. How fast? He is the second fastest Achaean, beaten out only by Achilles. Athena makes him lose in a race against Odysseus. She will never stop dickriding. Now why, exactly, does that make him a dexfag? Because he wears light armor. Ick. Dude runs around in linen armor instead of proper bronze. Lesser indeed.

Also of note, if we get rid of Disfavored of the rivers, we get a single point in each of our physical stats. Keep that in mind since it'd boost our modifiers for each stat (it would boost STR mod by 2, neat).
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>>5772162
I'd love to not have the malus, but think of what Nikon would have to do to get rid of that. Clearly, the more expedient choice is to dam all rivers instead.
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>>5772162
>if we get rid of Disfavored of the rivers
we simply kill the rivers
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>>5772162
>after a painstakingly humiliating kowtowing to the river gods and accumulating debts and owing favors to any and all river Nikon returns home and finds her sister hobbling about, Iudas dead and Pantaleon missing.

there can be no peace with the river
wonder if we get enmity we gain the power of stone.
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>>5772164
>but think of what Nikon would have to do to get rid of that.
Probably actually do the typical supplication and prayers to the rivers, honestly. So far it seems the rivers just think that Nikon is a smarmy asshole who doesn't give his dues and talks mad shit about them.

>>5772166
We can't kill ALL the rivers. Achilles gets the Scamander, so literally that's one we can't get. Dang.

>>5772167
And THAT'S when we get the Enmity version. Really I'm just trying to avoid that during or before the war and give us as much stat as possible to maximize our chance of survival.
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>>5772162
Fuck river, I'll take all the penalties in the world if it means getting rid of them
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Hi all, no update tonight, unfortunately. Some sort of GI illness? Should be able to post early tomorrow, anyways
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>>5772173
The rivers are behind your illness, I'm sure of it.
Rest well Lesches!
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>>5772173
GI should go home.
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Fresh bread soon? We're coming up on 2k posts and the thread is getting quite slow and laggy.
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>>5772178
Just download more RAM, dude. Duh.
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>>5772181
I already deleted system32 to stop it vacuuming up memory
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>>5772173
I'll pray for vietnam.
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>>5772182
Why didn't I think of that? You're a genius.
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>>5772167
Wouldn't Nira have fixed her ankle by the time Nikon gets home? Also, I really hope Nira learns even more pharmakos stuff from the asclepians, I still believe in Nira being able to continue to be a happy witch.
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>>5772193
The neat thing is, she is vengeful, not wicked. So as long as you don't do something to piss her off it'll be fine. She's just self aware enough to know when she's acting out of turn or being irrational and clamp it down so far so as long as something doesn't happen to further deteriorate her mental state she shouldn't lose the joy from her life and become like her cunt teacher.

She'll just go 0 - 100 in a half of a microsecond when you piss her off, is all. But she'll still be happy.
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If a river freezes, does it affect the spirit? Does that weaken it?

And where does snow come into all this?

Our campaign against the rivers will be in winter, we have to prepare.
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>>5772240
>River is iced over
>Everyone walks across the ice safely
>After seeing it's safe, Nikon walks over
>Ice breaks instantly

DAM ALL RIVERS
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>>5772278
We need to get Nikon a shield so tall he can use it as a bridge. A seven foot long shield should work.
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Was looking over the first thread and found post 5601898 from Homer interesting:
>Level-ups are based narratively. I feel safe in telling you now that you will get one when you reach Troy itself
Though it does make sense in Lesches saying we shouldn't get a level up unless we successfully rock the diplomacy talks into sinking.
>>5771859
>Nikandros is not going to learn the entire Luwian language in six weeks of naval travel
Reminds me of ads I saw about how if you buy this language book or whatever you'll be speaking the language in just a couple weeks. But in our homeric ad it would be a drawing of Teukros with a testimonial from Nikon about how good his program is.
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>>5772313
A certified My Will Is Law moment. Nice.
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>A golden hydra appears out of nowhere
Anon PLEASE, I want Nikon to actually have a chance of living through the war!
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Also, new chapter on the Nike/Nikandros adventure
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>>5772390
>Odysseus isn't in the party
He shows up to killsteal one of the heads in a cutscene, doesn't he?
>>5772391
>Nike, being the goddess of Victory, keeps accidentally leading Nikandros to potential Glory instead of safety
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>He shows up to killsteal one of the heads in a cutscene, doesn't he?

Only if you left it with 20-1 HP, if you know what you are doing you can finish it before him.
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>>5772193
Deianira is going to fix her ankle right now, is one of the first priorities after defeating Damadiches (the other two priorities we decided upon for this months, is finding a new commander and also finding Pantaleon). Nik will also return to greece, for war preparations if there is the war. And Agyros will join him there and there will probably be an exchange of info, with Nikandros sending a messenger of his own (for inform Nira of what he did, and also build an holy sanctuary for Nike. Which i hope is fine to be side by side, because i want Deianira to have one for Hekate too and she would be really helped by having such divine patron. I personally think it can be arranged, to have two cults. It does help both Hekate and Nike are minor deities, having any kind of cult would be fine for them).
I guess an asclepian teacher character could be arranged, she would be able to find one were she's going and convince him.
Possibly ? Just kill fish bitch and her enemies. A cure for mom would be also nice.
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>>5772391
>nike succeeds downwards
>nikon fails upwards
kek, gold like her sandals.

>>5772395
Palamedes is also not there. My guess is he's the dipshit quest giver or potion seller.
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>>5772278
You need to freeze it completely, smash it to bits, throw all the bits in the ocean and stuff the well up with stones and sand.
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Spend time with GigantoCHAD

>>5771790
>>5771793
>>5771797
>>5771806
>>5771829
>>5771837
>>5771944
>>5771987

Hang out with the regular guys

>>5771815
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>>5771958

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Clear majority favors Ajax, writing now!
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Once Erythrae disappears into the distance, there is a change in the winds. It happens slowly, over the course of the day, but it’s unmistakable. The scent of the breeze itself changes – becoming dry, dusty and gritty, and strangely – the wind now pulls your galleys northwards, filling the sails of your vessels. The sea turns an ugly grayish color, dirtied by the particulate matter, and the skies become hazy, yellowed. Andocides and Ajax are ecstatic – apparently, this is a rare but well-known phenomenon that occurs when Notos, the south wind, temporarily asserts control over his stronger brother, Boreas. When this occurs, it typically lasts for days, not hours – Lesbos is far closer than you could have dreamed! Even the sea itself seems to become pliable – there’s no longer any sustained riptide or current hoping to smash your vessels against the rocky coast. The rowing of the sailors can now be directed north fully, every oarstroke bringing you closer to the realm of King Macar.

“Boreas must be distracted by the mares of Illyria once more!” Andocides says to you, chuckling. Needless to say, your expedition makes more progress in a day than you have made in weeks. Truly, the only annoyance is the gritty quality of the wind – flecks of sands from Aethiopia’s infinite deserts, the unhealed burn scar on Gaia’s flesh left by Phaëthon ‘s doomed ride upon his father’s chariot. Most of the men take to wrapping bits of fabric about their nose and mouth, to prevent the inhalation of these particles, and you do the same.

With the morale of the crews now high, you decide to confer with Teukros about Ajax’s mood, and he is quick to assure you that now would be an excellent time to approach him – he explains that Ajax is now quite pleased with the ship’s progress, although again – you would hardly know, given Ajax’s perpetual solemnity.

“Hail, Prince of Salamis!” you say, approaching him upon the stern deck in his captain’s position. “Might we have time to converse?” you ask politely.

“Speak, son of Hippomedon.” Ajax replies brusquely, but without irritation.

“My prior loss to you in stones still rankles, Ajax Telamonios – I ask for the opportunity for a rematch!” you declare. Ajax purses his lips momentarily in thought, but then calls for Pollux in a booming voice – he hands control of the vessel’s tiller to the blonde pugilist once he appears.

“No better time than now, Thessalian. Notos fills our sails with his dusty breath and we are likely to reach Lesbos in days, rathen than weeks. Come, then – Nikandros – let us see if your play has improved! You have seemed less absentminded, of late.” In a few minutes, you are each seated by a small table in the hold – better to play without the stinging dust in your eyes.

>cont
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Rolled 11, 16, 18 + 5 = 50 (3d20 + 5)

“For what are we playing? Do not forget I am already owed a favor by yourself.” Ajax politely reminds you.

“The possibility of tutelage, Prince of Salamis – after my bout with Pollux, he has informed me that my spearwork is sloppy, my footing poor. He advised me that the best training would occur from a student of Chiron, now that the centaur is deceased.”

“Oh, and what a casual way to make such a request! But you have phrased it correctly – the possibility of tutelage.” Ajax replies.“I have trained no man in the art of warfare, Nikandros – although certainly, I agree with Pollux – there’s more wrong with your spearplay than there is right. But first, you must demonstrate that you are worthwhile to train. This cannot be determined by a single game of petteia. Now, make the first move.”

You gaze the stones before you carefully - a victory here would continue to prove your value. A loss - and well, why would Ajax waste months of effort on a man who constantly overrates his abilities? Of course, it is just as the Prince of Salamis has stated - a single game of stones only means so much.

Cautiously, you begin play - shifting one of your stones forward...

>Okay, guys – roll me THREE rolls of dice+1d20+8
>Ajax is rolling with a +5 bonus.
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Rolled 20 + 8 (1d20 + 8)

>>5772459
So we need a 15 or higher to beat the 23
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Rolled 3 + 8 (1d20 + 8)

>>5772459
>>5772460
>28
We are going to tell him he lost the game halfway through already.
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>>5772460
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>>5772460
Nike has blessed this endeavour, clearly.
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>>5772460
Oh hey, a W. About time, honestly.
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>>5772459
>– although certainly, I agree with Pollux – there’s more wrong with your spearplay than there is right.
Ouch, bros. Is Nikon self-taught or what? I can't remember if his training came up during Homer's chargen.
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>>5772602
well once we get the trait from Ajax and we get reinforced by our men we can train them to be equals to the legendary myrmidons
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>>5772602

>Is Nikon self-taught?

No, he was instructed in spearplay by Argyros during his childhood. Unfortunately, he was trained incorrectly. Argyros is really a veteran footsoldier of common descent, and so he trained Nikandros as if Nikandros would fight in formation alongside men of common background.

Of course, this is totally wrong for a demigod of Nikandros' size and strength - Nikandros doesn't use his sheer power properly, there are flaws in his actual technique, and ultimately, he doesn't really know how to fight against demigods of his own size and speed.

All that to say - he's still insanely dangerous, but it's a bit like if a lion had been trained to hunt by a housecat...

Update should be out shortly.
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It’s not the best game you’ve ever played – but it’s close. Ajax plays extremely well, but it’s simply not enough; you anticipate his slashing strikes and ambushes multiple turns before he implements these; you deflect his intended mid-game push simply through adjusting your back line of stones through the proper method. Ajax, to his credit, does not become visibly frustrated as you foil his first plan of attack, and then the second and third. You make only one small mistake towards the end of your game – overextending a flanking motion, which Ajax uses to delay his loss by several turns.

Ultimately, it’s a decisive victory in your favor, and you’re happy for a chance to play at the top end of your playing ability before Ajax. You resist the urge to vaunt over him - such preening doesn't agree with you, generally - you instead simply collect the stones.

“Well done, Nikandros!” Ajax says, congratulating you. “We’ll have need of excellent generals, if war does break out between Mycenae and Troy. A man like yourself could win much fame and glory in the process.”

You thank Ajax for his praise, but you’re not completely satisfied – he has not offered to train you as a student, has he? Nevertheless, you decide not to push the issue for the moment – perhaps this request of training would be better addressed at a future point, where you have further demonstrated your ability to Ajax. You thank the hulking man for the game and ascend to the main deck; your left leg providing you with only the slightest twinge of pain as you climb the ladder.

You place yourself at the bow deck of the ship, with your face and mouth covered – and watch the coastline whip past. Your galleys continue to make astonishing progress, and you eventually come to the realization that this is not so for the other vessels you see on the horizon – some of these vessels are struggling against a northerly wind that is absent for your expedition. Bizarrely, it seems that the southerly wind is meant for your ships alone. You cast your eyes about looking for divine interference, but see nothing obvious in the hazy skies above.

After a few minutes of looking above for daimons of the wind, you hear a bizarre bubbling noise – and looking below you, you watch as a mass of sea foam rises to the surface of the ocean water – keeping pace with your ship!

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To your surprise, the sea foam doesn’t dissipate, but instead congeals together as it continues to push out above the water. The unmistakable form of a chariot, encrusted with barnacles and festooned with ocean vegetation, rises above the cresting waves– unbelievably, the chariot is drawn by a team of four dolphins, and within the chariot itself – a trim-ankled goddess. She is nearly as tall as Thetis was, her face flawless, her eyes emerald, and with luxurious, cascading auburn locks descending nearly to the water. She is clothed with exquisite robes of white; they have the look of frothy seafoam, and only barely obscure her obviously voluptuous figure. Immediately, your mouth is dry with desire – unlike Thetis, this goddess greets pleasantly with a warm smile, and the heat of her regard is at once scorching and intoxicating; there is a stirring beneath your cloak and chiton that you immediately do your best to tamp down with all of your discipline. Only after a stunned moment do you notice that she is accompanied in the chariot by a tall boy of clean limbs – a child god, and almost certainly the son of the goddess, unless you are completely mistaken. The boy-god has the same emerald green eyes as his mother, and curly, flowing hair of almost identical shade.

“Hail mortal!” she cries out to you in lovely tones of ringing crystal, and you do your best to remain calm. You desperately corral your wits, racking your brain for her identity, before you come across it – of course, it must be Leukothea and her son, Palaimon; the daughter and grandson of Cadmus who were saved from suicide by Dionysus, and raised to godhood by his mercy.

“Hail, Leukothea Θαλασσομεδοισα – Hail Palaimon!” you reply, kneeling upon the bow deck, and averting your eyes, as is proper.

“Tell me mortal – what is your name? Whose boats are these, that Athene Μαχανιτις has arranged for swift travel through my waters? I give you leave to stand and gaze upon me – your proper conduct is recognized, but now let us speak eye-to-eye!” Ah – that explains your expeditions’ phenomenal speed through the Ionian sea – although why Athena herself would arrange for greater speed of your expedition escapes you. You gratefully stand before replying -

“I am Nikandros of Thessaly, son of Hippomedon, fair goddess of the sea foam. And these vessels carry the King of Sparta, Menelaus Atreides, as well as Odysseus Laertides, King of Ithaka. We travel to Ilion, to entreat King Priam and retrieve Helen of Sparta.” You are caught between terror and lust as you regard the sea goddess – you have no idea how she will react to this information.

>okay, /qst/ - I need TWO dice+1d20+6 rolls. +3 given Nikandros’s FOB, and another +3 context bonus because you’ve caught Leukothea the sea goddess is a good mood, and you’re interesting to her.
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Rolled 10 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5772697
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Rolled 16 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5772697
>dice+1d20+6
Oh dear lord it had to be a deity
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Rolled 2 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5772697
Here we go.
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>>5772701
Wow. Luckily I rolled late seeing as this was almost a divine crit fail.
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>>5772705
Maybe she wants to do it within the walls Poseidon built - payback for Medusa.
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>>5772699
>>5772700

>22
>NICE

Palaimon and his goddess-mother converse amongst each other momentarily, their voices hushed. The goddess turns her head back to you in stately fashion.

“An interesting development, son of Hippomedon – it seems that your expedition has garnered the personal attention of the Olympians. I thank you for your clear answer and respectful conduct. And as for you, Nikandros – I have heard your name spoken of in the halls of the Earth-Shaker, in the depths of the sea by Aegae. Brine-born Thetis was vaunting of the mortal man that she had entrapped in her debt as punishment for spoiling the concealment of her son.”

You smile politely here – it seems Thetis has not been entirely truthful in her telling of events on Skyros, but to correct a goddess is unthinkable, as well as speaking out of turn. You simply wait for Leukothea to continue, as she peers at you more closely, her emerald eyes piercing.

“It is rare that I meet with a mortal man with divine heritage – even rarer that he knows the proper forms of address and maintains his composure. I grant you a boon, Nikandros – tell me what you desire, and I will grant it, if it is within my power to do so."

>What do, /qst/? You have a goddess at your disposal - this opportunity may never come again. This vote will close at 8pm.

>Ask the Goddess for a trinket or a small gift; a token to prove your conversation. Such a small thing would be easy to request and may come with additional benefits, as it would be crafted by the deathless gods.

>Ask the Goddess for insight regarding your divine ancestry - confess that you do not know who your divine forefather is, and are hoping to learn the best means to gain their attention.

>Ask the Goddess for protection during storms - as a sea-goddess, she has the power to impose her will on the waves, winds and weather of the Ionian sea. Such protection may be invaluable if you are ever threatened by storms when within the Ionian sea.

>Something else?
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>>5772723
>Ask the Goddess for protection during storms - as a sea-goddess, she has the power to impose her will on the waves, winds and weather of the Ionian sea. Such protection may be invaluable if you are ever threatened by storms when within the Ionian sea.
We have troops to ferry and such a thing is invaluable
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>>5772723
>Ask the Goddess for insight regarding your divine ancestry - confess that you do not know who your divine forefather is, and are hoping to learn the best means to gain their attention.
GIB DATA. GIB DATA NAOW!
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>>5772723
>>Ask the Goddess for insight regarding your divine ancestry - confess that you do not know who your divine forefather is, and are hoping to learn the best means to gain their attention.

NOW!
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>>5772723
>Ask the Goddess for insight regarding your divine ancestry - confess that you do not know who your divine forefather is, and are hoping to learn the best means to gain their attention.
me >>5771321
This has been eating at me for a while. All we know is that he's a potent god as per the original FOB text and that Thetis "respects" him enough to keep us in the dark. So he might be any of the male Olympians whom Thetis is on good terms with or otherwise can't defy.
I'm thinking Zeus, Hephaestus or Dionysus if it is an Olympian. The first because he's the king (but odds are slim) and the latter two because the Iliad records that she's offered aid to them in the past.
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>>5772723
>Ask the Goddess for protection during storms - as a sea-goddess, she has the power to impose her will on the waves, winds and weather of the Ionian sea. Such protection may be invaluable if you are ever threatened by storms when within the Ionian sea.
As much as I like the idea of a hint on grandpappy, this one has a lot more tangible use to use. Even more if it extends into the actual war itself.
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>>5772723
>Ask the Goddess for a trinket or a small gift; a token to prove your conversation. Such a small thing would be easy to request and may come with additional benefits, as it would be crafted by the deathless gods.
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>>5772723
>Ask the Goddess for insight regarding your divine ancestry - confess that you do not know who your divine forefather is, and are hoping to learn the best means to gain their attention.
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>>5772756
>a hint on grandpappy

That make me wonder: Hey Lesches! Are we getting a hint "He is tall, but no so much hehe" or a full name?

Because then I choose the storm protection boon
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>>5772727
I remembered where the Ionian Sea is. Changing my vote.
>Ask the Goddess for a trinket or a small gift
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>>5772739
>>5772789
>>5772723

Change my vote if is just a hint

>>Ask the Goddess for a trinket
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>>5772789

Sorry, anon - to be clear, when I say the Ionian Sea, I mean the ocean directly off the coast of Ionia, Turkey, where the Trojan War will be fought.

The modern Ionian Sea is between Italy and Greece, but I don’t mean that one!
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>>5772800

Sigh, I meant to link this post, obviously

>>5772794

—-

>>5772789

As for your question - Nikandros doesn’t know what the goddess knows, and so I won’t specify unless this option wins.
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>>5772800
Ehh wrong anon, but thenks for telling us that! It dont make sense otherwise
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>>5772723
>Ask the Goddess for insight regarding your divine ancestry - confess that you do not know who your divine forefather is, and are hoping to learn the best means to gain their attention.
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>>5772723
>Ask the Goddess for insight regarding your divine ancestry - confess that you do not know who your divine forefather is, and are hoping to learn the best means to gain their attention.

With no option, we are guaranteed to get what we want.
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>>5772739
Perfidious Athena. kek
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>>5772723
>Ask the Goddess for insight regarding your divine ancestry - confess that you do not know who your divine forefather is, and are hoping to learn the best means to gain their attention.
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>>5772723
>>Ask the Goddess for a trinket or a small gift; a token to prove your conversation. Such a small thing would be easy to request and may come with additional benefits, as it would be crafted by the deathless gods.
I'm gonna be real, I don't really think it matters who Grandpa is. Knowing doesn't really change the fact that he obviously doesn't want anything to do with us right now. Or even worse, that he is barred for some reason from interacting with us. Especially considering that certain spirits know exactly who he is, so it's not like we're the result of some secret dalliance.

Besides, what if Grandpa demands we start revering him instead of Nike? Rather just leave him on the backburner til the time is right. Gib me a seashell, foam-mommy. Also damn Nikon needs to get laid. Barely keeping it in his robe. Either that or up our will. Would that help?
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>>5772723
>Ask the Goddess for protection during storms - as a sea-goddess, she has the power to impose her will on the waves, winds and weather of the Ionian sea. Such protection may be invaluable if you are ever threatened by storms when within the Ionian sea.

I don't think people realize how valuable this is. If we increase our favor and protection wit the sea we may be able to offset some of our bad rep with the rivers. Ex. Did you hear about that guy the rivers hate? Yeah, it's because they are jealous of the ocean's love for him.
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>>5772888
Also, I don't don't want us stranded on some island or to drown.
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>>5772888
I'd rather not associate with the seas, either. Poseidon is very well known for throwing tantrums. To the point he punishes people completely uninvolved with something just because they are close to the object of his ire.

Gotta show deference to the prick all the time or he'll throw earthquakes and tidal waves and floods at you and shit. Even Zeus isn't THAT petty. He'll usually just cuck you or kill you specifically or hinder/subvert your goals. Usually.
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>>5772723
>>5772876
Switching to
>Ask the Goddess for protection during storms - as a sea-goddess, she has the power to impose her will on the waves, winds and weather of the Ionian sea. Such protection may be invaluable if you are ever threatened by storms when within the Ionian sea.

I don't suppose it would be possible to ask for help for getting rid of disfavored by rivers?
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>>5772723
>Ask the Goddess for protection during storms - as a sea-goddess, she has the power to impose her will on the waves, winds and weather of the Ionian sea. Such protection may be invaluable if you are ever threatened by storms when within the Ionian sea.
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>>5772900
>I don't suppose it would be possible to ask for help for getting rid of disfavored by rivers?

To erase the curse, the domains of the two gods must overlap and she must be superior to the rivers of Hellas.

I'm not sure if she's above the rivers, but if she's not, maybe you can get a deal like "As long as I don't step in a river, the curse doesn't apply" or "As long as I'm in your domain, the curse doesn't apply."
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>>5772909
>"As long as I don't step in a river, the curse doesn't apply"

Honestly this alone would be amazing for getting rid of the stat malus, it's not like Nikon spends his time in rivers.
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>>5772909
I don't think she has sway over rivers. She can give insight into dreams though. Which depending on who you are or what you're dreaming of may be prophetic. If we were MAXIMUM SEER and we met her and earned a boon, having her on speed dial for dream-seeing would be awesome.
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>>5772735
>>5772904

Anons, give me a back link your prior posts or a spicy OC meme to validate your vote!
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>>5772723
>Ask the Goddess for protection during storms - as a sea-goddess, she has the power to impose her will on the waves, winds and weather of the Ionian sea. Such protection may be invaluable if you are ever threatened by storms when within the Ionian sea.

>Hallowed Goddess how can i ask for more than Athena herself did?
>if you would be willing to extend your favor and good cheer my heart would match it's height and sing joy for such harmony!
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>>5772929
>If we were MAXIMUM SEER
If we were MAXIMUM SEER Zeus would have Nikon traped on a pocket dimension working 24/7 on a map with the diferents possibles timelines for the future so he can be king of the gods forever and to contain and isolate the country bumpkin in case he becomes a threat.

If only he knows that was part of the plan...
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>>5772946
>tfw the sky-prison you trapped the thessalian madman in is missing the heaviest cloud and the schizo with it
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>>5772937
Here you have a song for her if your vote win

The deeps have music soft and low
When winds awake the airy spry,
It lures me, lures me on to go
And see the land where corals lie.
The land, the land, where corals lie.

By mount and mead, by lawn and rill,
When night is deep, and moon is high,
That music seeks and finds me still,
And tells me where the corals lie.
And tells me where the corals lie.

Yes, press my eyelids close, 'tis well,
Yes, press my eyelids close, 'tis well,
But far the rapid fancies fly
To rolling worlds of wave and shell,
And all the land where corals lie.

Thy lips are like a sunset glow,
Thy smile is like a morning sky,
Yet leave me, leave me, let me go
And see the land where corals lie.
The land, the land, where corals lie.
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>>5772961
>I grant you a boon, Nikandros – tell me what you desire, and I will grant it, if it is within my power to do so.
>Listen to my slam poetry session
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>>5772966
>Ever since he got his face caved in and brain rattled by Diomedes he ain't been the same.
>"FAIR GODDESS I BESEECH THEE, REP THESE BARS!"
Nikandros randomly going around and popping poetry is hilarious and cool though. The last thing I expected to happen.
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>>5772961
Fucking hell anon. Start creating a slam poetry book at this rate.
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>>5772975
If Odysseus wasn't such an assclown we could partner with him, so he could sing while Nikon writes. Alas he is a dickhead.

So we wait til we get home and do it with Nira instead.
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>>5772971
At this point we might need to pick up a poetry perk only for flavour reasons.
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>>5772983
>trait: hIgh-Q comedian
>lets nikon use his INT modifier for artistic performances instead of his CHA
>nikon becomes overnight sensation

Wonder what kind of perks for poetry we could even get. Or what they'd do. I wouldn't mind picking one up but it'd just be extremely painful to do when we're so vulnerable in every way. As much as I love fluff, we need to stack the crunch.
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>>5772961

This is great.

>Ask the Goddess for protection during storms - as a sea-goddess, she has the power to impose her will on the waves, winds and weather of the Ionian sea. Such protection may be invaluable if you are ever threatened by storms when within the Ionian sea.
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>>5773015
>when the seer unlocked military genius in his decades entrapped
RIP Zeus.
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>>5773015
I"ve wondered at times whether the seer could just crit in combat and bypass some of the ridiculously strong fighters' high mods.
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>>5773029
>Nothing personal, cave child.

>>5773035
The fact that you can know in a second how many individual muscles your opponent is going to use in his attack should already give you a modifier equivalent to what your enemy spent decades gaining with luck, sacrifices, blood, sweat and tears.

Or just choose the timeline where he rolls to 1, steps on a rock and bends his ankle.
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>>5773049
>Nikandros just uses fucking Epitaph
Cursed timeline
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>>5773066
There is not good timeline, but that is a really bad one.

Only the one where he lie is worst.
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Vote tally!

Trinket

>>5772759
>>5772794
>>5772886

Storm Protection

>>5772798 (using most recent vote; no conditional logic on voting plz)
>>5772756
>>5772900
>>5772888
>>5772904
>>5772937
>>5773022

Divine Grandpaternity Test

>>5772741
>>5772779
>>5772808
>>5772831

One-post IDs

>>5772735

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This was a tricky vote to tally, given that multiple people switched their votes. Regardless, seems like storm protection vote wins! Anons, let me know if I'm off or if mischaracterized your vote.
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>>5773083
>no conditional logic on voting plz

Sorry for that QM
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>>5772723
I have arrived late, but of this choices storm or trinket/small gift was the best. Write in if we wisely choose something useful could have been of great help too, has in specific more than a trinket. Excellent choice anons : if we will travel this sea during the war, and if we will have naval knowledge for do warfare there (gaining traits for said naval knowledge should be done) or simply move ships here and then to Troy.

Our ancestry while interesting might have deeper reasons for not be known. Asking for it to a deity, could have mixed reactions across the gods and spirits.
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And of course if we gain a commander rank above the one we currently hold, has a minor Lord of Thessaly.
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>>5773083
Lesches, would we have been able to ask for help regarding the whole disfavored by rivers thing, or would that be too much to ask/she doesn't have the right domain?
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At her words, your heart soars with confidence – what have you to fear from this sea-goddess? It is the brutal river gods that you despise – this beautiful deity has offered you nothing but friendly discourse.

“Hallowed goddess, Leukothea Ινω – if you extend your favor and good cheer to a humble mortal like myself, my heart and mind would sing together in harmony! I would ask for your protection during storms, if ever my vessels or those under my command are threatened by the raging storm or wine-dark waves.”

Leukothea laughs melodiously at your request – a smooth, rolling sound that contains the frothing of sea foam and the susurration of the receding tide.

“Bold of you to make this request, Nikandros – and bolder to call yourself humble! No man of meek disposition would dare to thwart the will of Thetis. Fortunate for you that she and I are at odds; she has ever denied due respect to my son and I.” From the floor of her chariot, she lifts an enormous conch shell, and a silver thread of power wafts it into your hands. “Blow my conch when you and yours are threatened by raging Briareos, and I will soothe the waters as I can. But be warned, Nikandros – my powers are not infinite, even within the seas of my home. I am but a minnow compared to the mighty leviathan of the Earth-Shaker.”

Inspiration strikes you, and from some recess of your mind, stanzas of poetry spill from your lips:

The deeps have music soft and low
When winds awake the airy spry,
It lures me, lures me on to go
And see the land where corals lie.
The land, the land, where corals lie.

By mount and mead, by lawn and rill,
When night is deep, and moon is high,
That music seeks and finds me still,
And tells me where the corals lie.
And tells me where the corals lie.

Yes, press my eyelids close, 'tis well,
Yes, press my eyelids close, 'tis well,
But far the rapid fancies fly
To rolling worlds of wave and shell,
And all the land where corals lie.

Thy lips are like a sunset glow,
Thy smile is like a morning sky,
Yet leave me, leave me, let me go
And see the land where corals lie.
The land, the land, where corals lie.


Leucothea stares at you in surprise – her plump lips parted, revealing her ivory teeth – she is speechless. The god-child besides her regards you fully; his attention piercing your soul, delicate features twisted in concentration. He speaks in measured tones, careful speech at odds with his childlike appearance:

“A gift for a gift, son of Hippomedon. You have pleased me and my mother with your words, and so I reward you with words in turn. We know of your dispute with the Potamoi; simple apology is not sufficient to undo your feud. If ever you seek to resolve this, you must speak with your father. There are oracles and witches both who can instruct you in the means of speaking with the dead, if you choose to seek them out.”

And with that, the goddess and the god-child wave goodbye, and promptly sink below the waves.
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>>5773122
Man, the stream shitters are serious assholes. They won't let a grudge go even after they achieve their vengeance. What the hell. What, did dad curse them in his dying breath to always smell like piss?

Salty lady and her kid are alright though. Glad we caught them in a good mood.
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>>5773142
Maybe Papamedon has to dam the rivers from the spiritual side while we do it from the material side?

Maybe his death is part of a plan?

>Nike/Atenea shadow war intensifies

Also, on the other ship...

>Odysseus: I want a sea trumpet like that too.
>Athena: Don't you already have a sea trumpet, my dear?
>Odysseus: No, idiot. I have a trumpet of the wind, of the clouds and of the birds. Moron.
>Athena: I'm sorry my king. Poseidon, I want a trumpet!
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Ajax and Menelaus order their respective crews to sail through the night, cutting across the open sea – with the southerly wind filling their sails and expected to continue, it deemed safe to abandon the coastline and make for Lesbos directly.

Waking, you are overjoyed to see that the island is already on the horizon, painted in ruddy shades by the rising of Helios over distant Phrygia to the east. Your expedition has covered more distance in a single night than you have in the week previous! Your arrival on deck is greeted with respectful silence – it seems that the news of your meeting with Leukothea has spread like wildfire amongst the sailors, and the men give you a wide berth.

“It’ll wear off over time, Nikandros.” Pollux comments wryly, appearing at your elbow. “Perhaps sooner if you trip and fall in front of them, or if one of them catches you shitting the bushes.” You glare at him half-seriously, and he extends his palms in a placating gesture, laughing. “I speak from experience! But I’d like to see the seashell later, if you don’t mind.”

Of course, you agree.

Ajax and Menelaus bring the galleys together to conference, now that Lesbos is in sight, and Ajax leaps across to the King of Sparta’s ship. To your surprise and pleasure, Pollux and yourself are invited to attend. Menelaus brings Odysseus, to no one’s surprise.

Menelaus gets right to business –

“What’s this I hear about Athena speeding our voyage?” He looks pointedly at Odysseus, and suddenly, several unresolved mysteries from the past are solved in an instant. The archery contest between Odysseus and Castor, the beautiful gray-eyed woman at Delos… Odysseus is one of Athena’s Chosen!

Friendly reminder that Nikandros didn’t actually know about the Odysseus/Athena thing in-character, as far as I know.

The thought fills you with terror – you realize that you have a terrible problem. If you make Odysseus your enemy, you also make an enemy upon Mount Olympus. Odysseus will almost certainly speak in favor of peace between Mycenae and Troy – but you cannot negotiate with the man directly, or risk that he’ll weasel out your conspiracy with Electra. It’s an intractable problem and one with no obvious solution. Despite the warmth of the morning, your skin rises in goosebumps.

Odysseus replies to Menelaus, a winning smile on his lips – “Sturdy Menelaus – you know as well I do that She chooses to act when She sees fit – I am pushed and pulled along at her pleasure.”

Menelaus grunts in frustration, before speaking to the group at large:

>cont
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>>5773143
>Nikandros, son, if we both dam the inlet to the underworld's rivers, you on the outside and me on the inside before they can split into the various mythical rivers below we can hold them for ransom. This is certainly a fool-proof plan.
I'm a bit worried about pops, actually. Since his reputation is one of severity, and extreme dourness. He likes hitting straw targets with a spear much MUCH more than listening to song and poetry. Hopefully he appreciates our poem about fathers for what it is, and doesn't call us a dandy for picking it up as a hobby after that.

>the legendary ZERO-RIZZdysseus
>"Listen doll-face I already got a fancy thingamabob, but I want HIS whizzy-doodad. Go get his whatchamacallit for me babe. I'll do that thing you like with my tongue afterwards."
>and the equally legendary DitzThena
>"Oh like sure thing daddy. Gosh he's such a MAN!"
Athena would kill us for talking shit about her. 100%

>>5773147
All we gotta do is fool Odysseus into thinking we are extremely stubborn and keen with fair and just recompense and he won't suspect a thing. Hey wait, we we are that already! We need to get him caught in a logic trap during negotiations. That if Menelaus does not demand the head of Paris, along with what he has taken, that it announces to the world that Menelaus will pay ransom to any who cross him without fear of true reprisal. An inarguable truth. As long as he hates us without feeling as if we have said things specifically to spite him, he won't pursue vengeance (probably). If we push for total submission from the Trojans we are still advocating for peace, which is the outcome he wants as well. Stick to it and he'll be bitter but hopefully that's all.

The problem is we can't tell him that or interact with him beforehand to try and get him on board because he will mog us into giving up our secrets in the process. Which'll give him insane leverage over us for the duration of this trip.
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“Here is the situation – we need information about the disposition of the Trojans. I had first considered meeting with King Macar – he is accounted a just man, and perhaps he would see reason. But King Perileos, the old coward, specifically warned us against stopping at Mytilene, and so I reconsidered. The ponce believes that King Philomeides of Mytilene is a brute, and in poor relations with King Macar, although he also said that he hasn’t seen the man in fifteen summers or more. Anyways, all the better - if Philomeides is in poor repute, then he is not likely speaking with his peers on Lesbos, and we’re likely to beat the news of our arrival to Ilion. Better that we arrive at Priam’s gates with no forewarning or fanfare.”

Ajax is next to speak, blunt as is typical:

“All you have said is fair and orderly, King Menelaus. I move that we sail to Mytilene.”

Odysseus chimes in, saying only:

“Brutes are not always easy to speak with, but we are in desperate need of information, I agree. And there is risk in meeting with King Macar – he has wealth, power, and more germane to our concern, he has fidelity to Priam. Detention or delay on Lesbos would be an unacceptable outcome. And we must endeavor to learn of Paris’ voyage home, and of Helen’s condition; all is lost if she has been treated poorly.” Menelaus’ façade cracks at this – his face collapses into despair momentarily, before he reassembles a neutral expression.

Pollux, interestingly, is quick to offer a calming word to his brother-in-law, patting him on the back of the neck:

“Fear not, Atreides. Helen is not defenseless, as you well know. She has her ways.”

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The council is quickly disassembled - you were not expected to comment on the discussion, your presence more a marker of the rising star of your reputation. The course being set, your galleys quickly find an approachable beach on Lesbos' southern coast, only a short hike from Mytilene, and are properly stowed before mid-morning. The island itself is a veritable garden - it's perhaps the greenest place that you've ever been, densely packed with trees of all types, fields, meadows and all manner of pleasant landscapes.

A local Lesbian a citizen of Lesbos, you ingrates - Sappho will not be born for about 600 years is accosted by Teukros and Odysseus, and made into a runner to the palace of Philomeides. The man, taking a look at the group of you camped on the beaches, turns and flees at high speed up into the hills. Within the hour, the man returns with a bilingual representative of King Philomeides, a wheedling, balding man of common blood, who says in accented Hellenika:

"The mighty King Philomeides will entertain the nobility of this expedition at dinner tonight, as guest-friends."

The man is shooed away from your camp by Menelaus, and you once again have a day to spare before tonight's business will begin. But what to do?

>vote post next
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>What will Nikon do during his day upon Lesbos' southern coast?

>Go hiking! Menelaus' prohibition against wandering outdoors has long expired, and your left leg has healed in totality. A rousing jaunt through the countryside will be the best use of your time.

>Spend further time with Ajax - you must capitalize on your recent progress with him! If necessary, you must challenge him to a physical contest if this is what is necessary to win his approval.

>Spend time with Teukros - perhaps you and he could tour the city of Mytilene - as a native Luwian speaker, he should be able to surmount any language difficulties. During the trip, you could press him for his opinion on Agamemnon's call to arms.

>Spend time with Menelaus - the man's mind is still a mystery to you, unfortunately. You don't know enough about his motivations. Not to mention - many weeks have passed with Odysseus' voice in his ear. What is his level of resolve?

>Spend time with Odysseus - despite your reservations, your recent interest in poetry might be enough for a common bridge of understanding. Perhaps you have been wrong to avoid the man?

>Spend time with the Dioscuri - now that Troy approaches, it might be time to gather their true opinions about the summit with Priam's court. Where do they stand in regards to war?

>Spend time with Palamedes - you've haven't had moment alone with the man since your discussion in Mycenae, and you're curious to know whether his opinion of you might have changed since that time. Perhaps he could find collaboration with you more palatable?

>Something else?
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>>5773168
>>Go hiking! Menelaus' prohibition against wandering outdoors has long expired, and your left leg has healed in totality. A rousing jaunt through the countryside will be the best use of your time.

I know we have a plan and all that...

But mistery box!

Also nice to see Pollux be a bro to Menelaus
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>>5773168
>Spend time with Menelaus - the man's mind is still a mystery to you, unfortunately. You don't know enough about his motivations. Not to mention - many weeks have passed with Odysseus' voice in his ear. What is his level of resolve?
Please, no more hiking, I don't want to find out what a local lesbian monster looks like.
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>>5773164
I, too, am a proud Lesbian. It'll never not be funny. That island got done so fucking dirty.

>>5773168
>>Spend time with Menelaus - the man's mind is still a mystery to you, unfortunately. You don't know enough about his motivations. Not to mention - many weeks have passed with Odysseus' voice in his ear. What is his level of resolve?
Much as I want to have a push-up competition with the big man over there, we really, really need to win at least SOME favor with Menelaus and get him to see us as more than a meatstick to hit things.
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>>5773168
>Spend time with Menelaus - the man's mind is still a mystery to you, unfortunately. You don't know enough about his motivations. Not to mention - many weeks have passed with Odysseus' voice in his ear. What is his level of resolve?
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>>5773168
>>Go hiking! Menelaus' prohibition against wandering outdoors has long expired, and your left leg has healed in totality. A rousing jaunt through the countryside will be the best use of your time
REMOVE CONCUSSION DAD
also>>5770582
This is me. Am phoneposting from friends beachouse lol
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>>5773168
>Spend time with Menelaus - the man's mind is still a mystery to you, unfortunately. You don't know enough about his motivations. Not to mention - many weeks have passed with Odysseus' voice in his ear. What is his level of resolve?
me >>5772741
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>>5773168
>Spend time with Menelaus - the man's mind is still a mystery to you, unfortunately. You don't know enough about his motivations. Not to mention - many weeks have passed with Odysseus' voice in his ear. What is his level of resolve?

Did we ever tell the Dioscuri about the meeting with the daimon?
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>>5773195
>Did we ever tell the Dioscuri about the meeting with the daimon?
No yet
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>>5773199
Man, with all of the social actions taken over this journey in which Nikon hung out with members of the Dioscuri, you'd think it'd come up in conversation at least once.
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>>5773168
>Spend time with Menelaus - the man's mind is still a mystery to you, unfortunately. You don't know enough about his motivations. Not to mention - many weeks have passed with Odysseus' voice in his ear. What is his level of resolve?

We havent talked to him in a while I think
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>>5773210
Maybe we dont want to ruin the mood?

>Ohh Nikon hahaha, that was hilarious, my sides hurt hahaha
>They will hurt you even more when you realize that Hera lied to you and is still planning to kill you two hahaha

If only we have chosen autism...
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>>5773223
>tfw autistikandros has the potential to save tons of people by just being retarded and socially inept
>"Ha ha, did you see that shot Nikandros? I daresay even Artemis would pale at such a showing!"
>"Artemis hunts greater quarry with ease. To her your grandest hunt is decisively beneath her measure. Do not be foolish, high-king."
>"Listen here you little shit-"
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>>5773227
Pales in comparison to MAXIMUM SEER in which any time Agamemnon is about to say something dumb, he rolls his ankle on a rock instead.
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>>5773233
All I can imagine is that the moment Agamemnon takes a breath, MAXIMUM SEER just starts incoherently screaming at the top of his lungs witnessing the horrors about to unfold.
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>>5773234
MAXIMUM SEER raises Augur to T4, giving him the power to select futures through quantum observation. This is used only to stop Agamemnon from saying stupid shit.
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>>5773227

>We drive Agamemnon to hunt a monster alone.

>>5773233
A men can only fall so many times before dying anon. And then Electra will take the crown...
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>>5773237

Holy hell anon, i dying
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>>5773237
>it is used every single day

>>5773242
I like the one head looking at him as if to say "Are you actually gonna do this, man?"

Man I love the memes in this quest. Constant bangers.
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>>5773168
>Go hiking!
>>5773237
beautiful
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>>5773168
>Go hiking! Menelaus' prohibition against wandering outdoors has long expired, and your left leg has healed in totality. A rousing jaunt through the countryside will be the best use of your time.
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>>5773168
>Go hiking! Menelaus' prohibition against wandering outdoors has long expired, and your left leg has healed in totality. A rousing jaunt through the countryside will be the best use of your time.

Again, this >>5772831anon from work
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>>5773168
>>Spend time with Palamedes - you've haven't had moment alone with the man since your discussion in Mycenae, and you're curious to know whether his opinion of you might have changed since that time. Perhaps he could find collaboration with you more palatable?
yes
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It's interesting that both Makar and Philomeides are kings at this time. The former is mentioned only in the Iliad (when Achilles and Priam grieve together) while the latter is mentioned only in the Odyssey (as one of Odysseus' past victories) - wouldn't this imply that Philomeides was crowned sometime during the Trojan War?
In any case, Philomeides (or Philomeleides) has a habit of wrestling with his guests. In 'canon' he loses to Odysseus (KWAB) so this should practically be a cakewalk for us or Ajax.
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>>5773316
>In 'canon' he loses to Odysseus (KWAB) so this should practically be a cakewalk for us or Ajax.

He lose due weakness on his part, or Odyckeus skill?

It will be funny if we roll 1 and everyone start to fear a wimp as if he were the troyan Achilles
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>>5773322
>I pray he comes as once he was, in Lesbos,
>when he stood up to wrestle Philomeleidês—
>champion and Island King—
>and smashed him down. How the Akhaians cheered!
Fitzgerald. Even so, don't discount Athena jerking him off again.
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>>5773168
>Go hiking! Menelaus' prohibition against wandering outdoors has long expired, and your left leg has healed in totality. A rousing jaunt through the countryside will be the best use of your time.

There is a reason why we keep doing this option besides that it is the mystery option. Doing this is how we found Achilles, doing this is how we upgraded our weapons, and doing this allows us to avoid our awful social stats. Let's not forget our history of kingly interactions.
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>>5773351
>Doing this is how we found Achilles
No it isn't. It's how we found Thetis, and wound up owing her a favor.
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>>5773168
>Go hiking! Menelaus' prohibition against wandering outdoors has long expired, and your left leg has healed in totality. A rousing jaunt through the countryside will be the best use of your time.
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>>5773351
Adding to anon's point, doing this was how we almost got killed by giant eagles, and killing them was how we upgraded our weapons.
Also, Menelaus has treated us decently so far.
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>>5773354
>>5773360
We learned where Achilles was not hiding, and we incurred that favor by not backing down when given the chance. As for the giant eagle, I think the weapon upgrades were very much worth it. We also get to do the classic hero stuff like slaying monsters.
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>>5773365
I dunno, as much as I like the weapon upgrades, I liked the safety net of the reroll that was burnt a lot more.
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>>5773365
Anon please don't. You can't apply reductive logic in this way. Especially since it's also conditional on the fact that we persisted on climbing despite the WILL obstacle. Which means that the hike itself did nothing in that regard, but the persistence did. That would mean we would have to say we learned Achilles was NOT on the ship we sailed in on by virtue of choosing to get on without our chariot. It's just silly.

What led us to find Achilles was the anons clever investigative choices in Phthia and canny questions. Followed by well-founded bait in the tournament. You can't just invalidate that by saying "It was the hike that really helped." since it ultimately amounted to nothing, nor was that even the intended purpose when the option was chosen. Insofar that I can tell, at least, reading the comments made by anons at the time.

The spear is great, won't lie. But the reroll that could be used -anywhere-? Like, say, when a goddess is trying to bully us or force us to heel? Turning a critfail against the divine into anything else is a mighty tempting counterbalance. I can see the use in the spear, certainly. But my paranoia rivals that of Zeus himself.
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>>5773365
P.S. because I forgot to mention, Nikon already knew where Achilles was before we went on the hike.
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Tally so far

Another hike!

>>5773175
>>5773186
>>5773253
>>5773299
>>5773351
>>5773359

Check in with the King

>>5773181
>>5773182
>>5773184
>>5773188
>>5773195
>>5773222

Seek out...the dork

>>5773303

one-post IDs

>>5773285 (anon, give me a vote or a backlink to validate!

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>>5773237

These are fucking amazing memes, anon. Keep em coming.

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At least to my count, it seems like we're essentially at 6-6 between Menelaus and Hiking. Unfortunately, I'm scheduled for a truly horrendous day at work, so I won't be able to post until later tonight. I would encourage anons to debate amongst themselves so that we can come to a consensus, or lurkers to chime in.

In terms of general QM comments - I'm happy to see so much engagement, thank you all for your continued participation!

Also, I would like to note that we're back on schedule - the thread is currently on page 9, but I think we'll have another week at minimum before the thread falls off the board, and this will almost certainly be adequate to put Nikandros and co. through the gates of Troy before this thread falls off the board. Friendly reminder that I will then be going on a 4-5 week hiatus, and then TWQ thread #3 will be posted in mid-November.

Also, how the fuck is it possible that I didn't know that there's a legitimate Total War game based on the Trojan War?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1099410/A_Total_War_Saga_TROY/
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>>5773285
>>5773376
Was posting from uni.
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>>5773376
>Also, how the fuck is it possible that I didn't know that there's a legitimate Total War game based on the Trojan War?
The game is kind of mid, personally. However, Total War: Rome 2 has a mod that recently released "Age Of Bronze" that is set relatively close to the time period. It only has two factions so far but updates in the future will change that. It will include Mycenaean Greece and Troy as factions, even. No idea what the timeframe is to get the other factions in, though.
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>>5773168
i think going to talk with Menelaus will just alert Odysseus that we may be meddling while right now we are beneath his notice as conspirators


but i also don't want to go hiking, as Nikon will end up rambling to himself about the many virtues of her sister and in doing so attracting the lesbian monster which will then travel to Thessaly to bother Deianira.

and Teukros then will need to be swift enough to slay the slavering, scissoring beast before it can corrupt Deianira.

thus i won't vote either way
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>>5773376
I’ll add my vote to:

>Go hiking! Menelaus' prohibition against wandering outdoors has long expired, and your left leg has healed in totality. A rousing jaunt through the countryside will be the best use of your time.
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>>5773377

Gracias, anon - your vote now counts and thus hiking is narrowly beating Menelaus encounter 7-6.
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>>5773379
Man, I got to admit this stun locked me.
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>>5773379
>>5773383
Yes! Pay no attention to the big stupid man who likes to go off into the wilderness. Such a man surely has no ulterior motives or schemes that could affect the outcome of these very delicate peace talks or kingly egos.
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>>5773379
I feel it is important to note that we do need to be allowed to speak during the negotiations, and if we never build rapport with Menelaus we may not get the opportunity. We'd be relying on Ajax or the Dioscuri to intercede on our behalf and request we be permitted input. And Odysseus has probably been doing his best to discredit the other kings and princes specifically. But he probably hasn't been doing as much to smear Nikandros. He absolutely has gossiped about us, probably called us a bumpkin and a bruiser. But probably less character assassination than he would have given Pollux and Castor. And certainly a LOT less than the shit he's slinging about Palamedes.

Having Odysseus scrutinize us is a price to pay. So long as we don't reveal our intentions to Menelaus, the dickhead won't be able to sus us out unless he leaves Menelaus' side. Exposing him to Palamedes unchallenged, which he is not keen on doing. Besides, this is the perfect time, we just got invited to listen at the big boy's table on the way over, why wouldn't we push our luck and try to rub shoulders with our betters now? It all makes sense. It's not suspicious.

That being said, I got whiplash from your comment kek, nice.
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>>5773379

I do appreciate your concerns anon but Nikandros knows in-character that Lesbos is a fairly populated island with a capital city and six minor cities, and is quite close to Troy, the major power player in this part of the world.

It’s somewhat less likely (but not impossible teehee) that he’ll come across a ravenous monster here.
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>>5773351
Stubbornly not looking at the potential imminent death ? It genuinely doesn't matter if none want to admit, all it takes is a few bad rolls. This is a long game not a hasty and impatient one, the progression of gaining traits is one proof of this.
Maybe we find a pissed deity this time, perhaps he or she wants to see how much our legs can keep up with a sudden landslide before our body is torn and broken by rocks. Or instead of finding one monster in his nest, we find a group ready to ambush us and no way out to call others. Funny no ?
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>>5773393
Or something good happens? Just because we roll poorly often doesn't mean Lesches doesn't put good things on the encounter list. Plus we got that reroll from hiking and we could've very well died otherwise.
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>>5773393
Literally, any roll could end in our death set us on a path that leads to our death, and result in us having to play our sister. This world is a tragedy.
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>>5773394
Yeah i am sure it will always will be great for an hero with low stats and few traits. Whatever at this point the hike won.

>>5773396
None of the other options would bring us in any real danger. It's socials for improve relations or advancing possible traits to aquire
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>>5773397
Do you forget loss of reputation can result in suicide, depression, or being placed in someone else's debt?
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>>5773394
We only nearly died in the first place because we went hiking again.
So the second hiking nullified what we gained from the first one.

>>5773351
>Doing this is how we found Achilles
Don't lie anon
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>>5773400
My fucking ID changed AGAIN
>>5765168
This is me
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>>5773400
Thinking about this a bit more, we still got a bit of the concussion healed earlier, and there's the knowledge of the prophecy that we haven't talked with the bros about yet, so it was not completely wasted.
And anon could be just misremembering instead of lying.
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>>5773398
It can, but a good part of this socials are becoming friends with Nikandros or don't think badly of him. Which likely helps and makes this options a bit safer instead of don't roll "Mhmmm today i dislike mortals" or "insert neverending hunger for men flesh noises".
And also 2 of 3 problems you put forward can be resolved, because it means Nikandros is alive and can do something about it. The debt can be also gained with deities which is worse than one with mortals
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If I'm being honest the only reason the hiking option is annoying me despite it's inherent dangers, which are objectively higher than our social options so far on this journey specifically barring those with Odysseus is because we have other shit that we can be doing and we are constantly not doing it because "lol hike". We really should be going all in on upping our social links since that's the way we're going to be influencing the talks in Troy.
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>>5767039
Back again. I usually don't have time to engage with this, but I still lurk faithfully. My will and mind's eye are bent upon the ruin of Troy and the glory of the house of Hippomedon.
>>5773168
>Spend time with Menelaus - the man's mind is still a mystery to you, unfortunately. You don't know enough about his motivations. Not to mention - many weeks have passed with Odysseus' voice in his ear. What is his level of resolve?
Let's keep our mind on the goal here.
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Vote will close at 8pm EST.

Seems like the vote is mostly still pretty close, so anons - feel free to make your final pitch to your fellow players.

I helped prevent Nikandros from spilling his guts to Odysseus in thread 1 with an earnest call to action - consider doing the same if you aren’t happy with the vote tally!
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>>5773168
>Spend time with Menelaus - the man's mind is still a mystery to you, unfortunately. You don't know enough about his motivations. Not to mention - many weeks have passed with Odysseus' voice in his ear. What is his level of resolve?
Hikes get us in trouble
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>>5773583
He's lucky we didn't grab his ass.
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If you think about how bad a 5 on the encounter table got us a fight against multiple beasts that almost one shot us, and a 19 got us an encounter that earned us a reroll, can you imagine what a 1 or a 20 would result in? My best guess would be either a divine blessing or a curse.
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>>5773606
I think a 20 would also be a god, because of this >>5772460. And we got a reroll (and the boon) because we proceeded to roll well after making our choice, not just meeting him. Unless I'm misremembering that part

So my guess would be that 1-2 is encounter with divine (bad mood), while 19-20 is divine encounter (good mood). And the resolution would be that if you roll well with a good divine, and you get a boon, roll badly and you get nothing. Roll well with a bad divine, you get to live, roll badly and you get fucked. Two sides of the same coin.
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>>5773631
Ok, just checked, the divine encounter on the island wasn't because of a roll, but the reroll was.
Maybe it was because because the island was so choke full of deities during Appollo's birthday that Lesches decided that it was an obivious result. needed for that. Like Tethis hiding in her mountain, we found her because we succeed a will roll, not a luck roll to decided if she was there in the first place.
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>>5773633
I think we actually failed the will roll by like, 1. Which gave us the slightly bad result of being a creep and annoying the shit out of her until she decided to tell us to go away.

But the gods go as they please. You never really know where you are gonna find them. They could be sitting in a market watching people haggle just because they can. Shapeshifters, man. Divine magic is no joke.
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>>5773643
Wan't it that the mountain had a turn away spell, but we succeeded to break through it with the will roll? I'm going to check, be right back
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>>5773648
Ok, found it, it was failing the will test
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5579585/#p5590490
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>>5773653
We dont fail that roll

The magic wall wanted us to move away, and we managed to resist! We couldn't do much more that stay there, but we managed not to retreat, a clear victory.
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>>5773677
But we did
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5579585/#p5590515
>12, as slight of a failure as can be. Writing
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>>5773705
I think he was being facetious.
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Final tally (but let me know if I fucked up)

Another hike!

>>5773175
>>5773186
>>5773253
>>5773299
>>5773351
>>5773359
>>5773285 (anon, thanks for validating)
>>5773381

Check in with the King

>>5773181
>>5773182
>>5773184
>>5773188
>>5773195
>>5773222
>>5773513
>>5773585

Seek out...the dork

>>5773303

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Looks like we're tied 8-8, unless I fucked up the count. This is not very satisfying, but to resolve, I will roll a d2. 1 = go hiking, 2 = hang out with Menelaus. Tyche will decide for us (unless an anon reveals that I miscounted). Unfortunately, today was such a clusterfuck that I haven't had a chance to do any QMwork, and so next update will have to be tomorrow afternoon at 12pm-2pm EST.

Apologies all, but stay tuned! We're almost to fucking Troy!
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Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>5773778
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>>5773725
You might be right.
Sometimes it's hard to know for sure in the internet.
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>>5773778
I'd like to shout out the one guy with balls big enough to suggest hanging out with the lamest person along the Mediterranean. That guy has no fear.
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>>5773779
perhaps this meeting is where we offer up a charge of Nepenthe, it is quite the gift after all.
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>>5773886
It may be a double edged sword. If Helen is under the effects of Aphrodite's meddling it'll make Menelaus into a walking pyre of pure fury and resolve. If she isn't, it might break him.

It could just be Paris' natural fuck-boy-charm that has her enamored, and not a hex from the goddess of getting her holes plugged. Though we as readers probably have a consensus in what we believe in that regard.
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>>5773924
Helen is a woman, so she probably lied about her husband so the fuck boy would take her somewhere "better."
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>>5773936
Helen is the Dioscuri's sister. Let's not completely disparage her, here. Out of respect for our friends if nothing else. She really may have just been raw kidnapped and stockholm'd.
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>>5773778
No problemo QM.
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>>5773819
Heh i think we can learn something from Paladames. It wouldn't hurt to know him either i believe. He has nothing against us anyway
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You spend a few minutes gazing over the landscape while you consider your next steps – the lush forests of Lesbos are quite inviting, as you take in the golden fields and lush foliage. It really does have the appearance of curatedgarden, at least from your position on the southern beach. Turning, you’re able to see the greater coastline of the Troad to the west, over a narrow strip of the Aegean. To the north is Ilion, although you cannot see this part of the Troad – it’s hidden behind the rising hills of Lesbos’ western flank.

Despite your inclination to explore the island through another round of hiking, you’re hesitant for multiple reasons. First, the isle itself is home to tens of thousands of Lesbians – and you run the risk of meeting armed men whilst tramping in their forests, hardly a relaxing outcome. Secondly, you’ve not forgotten the horror of being attacked by the Lebinthian eagles. You’re hardly likely to come across ravenous, divine beasts in this setting, but nonetheless – you’re more eager to stay with the boats than you might be typically. Third – the diplomatic council between your group and the Trojan is fast approaching, and perhaps it is time to further build your social ties to the men of the expedition.

Once your thoughts have been sorted your course is clear – you must spend time with Menelaus, King of Sparta. The man is the lynchpin of the whole enterprise, and ultimately, the outcome of the discussions will depend on his thinking. You’re eager to learn of his disposition, although ultimately, you fear the worst – between his easy-going nature and weeks of discussion with Odysseus, the man may have become a dove.

Finding Menelaus is easy – his booming laughter echoing over the beach sands. You find him holding court amongst the Dioscuri and Teukros. Before you get a chance to speak, Menelaus spots you and says:

“Ah, Thessalian – just the man I was thinking of! Lad, meet me back here in five minutes, and bring your bronze!” The request surprises you, but your compliance is not in doubt – beyond the fact that he is the leader of diplomatic venture, he is arguably the third-most powerful King in Hellas. You return to the beach, wearing your father’s bronze, and armed with your Lebinthian spear, your father’s sword and Lebinthian knife fastened to your belt.

Menelaus appears himself, although interestingly – he is unarmed and unarmored.

“Come with me into Mytilene, son of Hippomedon – let us see what entertainment there is in this town of Lesbians.” Again, you have no choice but to follow him, although you are beginning to become uneasy. You set off together uphill, and as you walk, Menelaus speaks again - “Let me inspect your spear, lad!” He peers your modified weapon for several minutes, testing the weight of it and investigating the longer and heavier speartip, fashioned out of the Lebinthian eagle’s break.

>cont
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“A fine weapon for a man of your size, Nikandros – and I think my brother might be able to use it properly himself.” Menelaus whistles as he considers further. “Agamemnon could cast this spear this through a horse – the long way! – with a heavy spear like this. The man is akin to Zeus himself when throwing to kill…” You offer no comment on the matter, although you file away this detail for future reference; Menelaus repeats this exercise with your Lebinthian knife, and this time asks about their construction.

You explain the details of your experience on Samos, including the bizarre request placed on you by Polypias, the bronzesmith, and Menelaus chuckles – “Well, it seems to me that you obtained fine weapons on a promise to a commoner, easily forgotten.”

Approaching the gates of Mytilene – a shabby affair of weathered lumber – you find that the gates are barred. No doubt the envoy from King Philomeides’ court also warned the men of the gate of your party on the beach.

As you approach, you spot two Lesbians on the gate exterior, and guess that there are probably a handful of guards on the other side of the gate as well. All told – they are commoners, poorly-equipped, and barely register as a threat to you. Philomeides has clearly neglected to fund his defenses. An inattentive brute, perhaps - you lose respect for the man as you learn more of him.

Menelaus is quick to introduce himself to the gate guards, and “request” entrance.

“I am King of Sparta, Menelaus Atreides, and I will enter the city now.”

The Lesbian guards freeze, looking at each other in confusion. One says to the other – “Wat zei hij? and the other replies – Zei hij dat hij een koning was?. Menelaus repeats himself more loudly and slowly.

“I am KING of SPARTA, MENELAUS ATREIDES, and I will ENTER Mytilene NOW.”

The mood becomes tense, and from a hatch in the gate, you hear an accented voice speaking Zeus’ Hellenika.

“Forgive us, King Menelaus – but the gates are shut until King Philomeides is ready to receive you at tonight’s banquet. We are unable to allow you entrance this day."

Menelaus sighs, turning his bearded face to sky, before turning to you, his nostrils flaring in frustration.

>cont
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“Nikandros, open the gates," he says, gesturing with his arm. The command is clear, unequivocal. He expects results instantaneously - you cannot simply leave him at the gates and return with Teukros to negotiate in Luwian. But how to do it?

>what do, /qst/?

>Intimidate the men directly with threat of imminent death. You are a brazen giant, and you CAN tear the gates off their shoddy hinges and murder them all if you so choose. Explain to the men that you and Menelaus will be entering Mytilene whether their hearts are beating or not.

>Approach the gates and attempt to persuade the men to open the door with winged words. They cannot be so foolish as to believe that they can keep you out, can they?

>Forgo the pretense of negotiation and simply murder them - once dead, it would be trivial to smash the gates off their hinges and enter. Of course, King Philomeides may possibly be irritated by this - but only possibly. If the man is truly an inattentive brute, he may be entertained by your conduct here.

>Something else I haven't thought of?
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>>5774137
>Approach the gates and attempt to persuade the men to open the door with winged words. They cannot be so foolish as to believe that they can keep you out, can they?
Please let us in, you lesbians.
Oh no, Menelaus is a tourist and there is a language barrier.
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Since we are a tactical genius and our concussion is fading, could we not point out a key issue with their defenses/wall to help with our argument?
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>>5774143

>could you point out that their gate is crumbling and you can crush them like bugs

Yes, definitely - adding a bit about their poor equipment and gate quality would provide a small context bonus, if you choose to negotiate or threaten them.
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>>5774137
>Approach the gates and attempt to persuade the men to open the door with winged words. They cannot be so foolish as to believe that they can keep you out, can they?
>Point out the poor state of their gate and equipment as well. Do they believe such flimsy things stand a chance against your brute strength?
me >>5773188
Every bonus counts.
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>>5774137
>Approach the gates and attempt to persuade the men to open the door with winged words. They cannot be so foolish as to believe that they can keep you out, can they?

While killing them and breaking down the gate would be easier the king of lesbians probably wouldnt like that.
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>>5774157
>>5773222
this is me
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>>5774137
>Intimidate the men directly with threat of imminent death. You are a brazen giant, and you CAN tear the gates off their shoddy hinges and murder them all if you so choose. Explain to the men that you and Menelaus will be entering Mytilene whether their hearts are beating or not.
>And use facts and logic!
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>>5774137
>>5774150
+1
You can only make demands if you are in a position to demand it.
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>>5774137
>>Forgo the pretense of negotiation and simply murder them - once dead, it would be trivial to smash the gates off their hinges and enter. Of course, King Philomeides may possibly be irritated by this - but only possibly. If the man is truly an inattentive brute, he may be entertained by your conduct here.

A king orders and a soldier obeys.
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>>5774137
>>5774150
Support.

I don't suppose poetry anon will grace this thread with a poem that could open the gates?
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>>5774185

Poetry anon is deeply appreciated by yours truly but I’m not sure that Nikandros delivering poetry in a language that most of the guards don’t speak would be helpful…
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>>5774190
Clearly good music would transcend any language barrier.
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>>5774137
>Something else I haven't thought of?
>Ignore the guards, force open the gates.
This is it boys, this is where we become the battering ram.
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>>5774137
>Approach the gates and attempt to persuade the men to open the door with winged words. They cannot be so foolish as to believe that they can keep you out, can they?
>Point out the poor state of their gate and equipment as well. Do they believe such flimsy things stand a chance against your brute strength?
We are asking for consent out of courtesy here, it's not as if consent is a requirement to enter.
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>>5774137
>Intimidate the men directly with threat of imminent death. You are a brazen giant, and you CAN tear the gates off their shoddy hinges and murder them all if you so choose. Explain to the men that you and Menelaus will be entering Mytilene whether their hearts are beating or not.
>Write in
"Listen well, guards of Lesbos. I am clad head to toe in my ancestors strong bronze, and in my hands are weapons i had a smith improve from the talons and beak of a man-eating monster i killed not long ago in combat."
"My blood runs with Thessalian and divine heritage, and i slayed plenty of Illyrians, bandits and pirates at my young age. I can easily reach your walls thanks to the many fissures i see and then cut, tear and thrust through each of your guards. Many of which i see are lazy, in fear and show an improper form for holding their weapons. All with poor equipment too. Lastly i could also open easily your gates, i already see a defect in them and a way to use it."
"So open the gates NOW, Lesbos guards. Or i will act"
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Huh i am surprised this actually did come back. Also a little dissapointed in myself for not noticing sooner.
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>>5774137
>Intimidate the men directly with threat of imminent death. You are a brazen giant, and you CAN tear the gates off their shoddy hinges and murder them all if you so choose. Explain to the men that you and Menelaus will be entering Mytilene whether their hearts are beating or not.
>>5774226
+1 To using this line of intimidation.
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>>5774203
>>5774137
Switching my vote to
>Intimidate the men directly with threat of imminent death. You are a brazen giant, and you CAN tear the gates off their shoddy hinges and murder them all if you so choose. Explain to the men that you and Menelaus will be entering Mytilene whether their hearts are beating or not.
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>>5774137
>>5774203
whereas other lesser men may act like a river and worm their way in i am akin a mountain and when i roll downhill there is no force that can stop me.

>find a rock and smash the gates open
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Here’s my tally so far - anons, please correct if I made a mistake! will leave the vote open until 1pm EST.

Lurkers, this is your chance to influence a close vote!

Persuade

>>5774141
>>5774150
>>5774157
>>5774175
>>5774185
>>5774204

Intimidate

>>5774165
>>5774248
>>5774226
>>5774247

Kill kill kill!

>>5774179
>>5774265 (if one batters at the gates, he must also kill the gate guards)
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>>5774179
>>5774265
If you two change to intimidate then it would tie with diplomacy
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>>5774292
Sure, I will change to intimidate
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>>5774137
>Intimidate the men directly with threat of imminent death. You are a brazen giant, and you CAN tear the gates off their shoddy hinges and murder them all if you so choose. Explain to the men that you and Menelaus will be entering Mytilene whether their hearts are beating or not.
Surely Nikandros has more skill in being HUGE than he does with persuasion.
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>>5774282
>Intimidate the men directly with threat of imminent death. You are a brazen giant, and you CAN tear the gates off their shoddy hinges and murder them all if you so choose. Explain to the men that you and Menelaus will be entering Mytilene whether their hearts are beating or not.

I think we should really play into the stereotypes here. Also, I really hope we don’t embarrass ourselves. Im also the anon who asked what a 1 or a 20 on the encounter table would get us.
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>>5774304
>>5774318
>>5774335 (counting this one, but please backlink your previous post last time!)

Looks like there’s a narrow consensus for “intimidate” here, writing now.
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>>5774282
>>5774363
>>5774304
fine i'll change to intimidate, but you better include a rock in there somewhere.
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Fuck i come too late

>>5774185
>>5774190
I have song for battle ready, but it fit more for inspiring our soldiers that to scare the enemies
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>>5774379
take heart brother, there will be other chances for your rhyme to shine fires in the soul of men as war looms dark on the horizon
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Rolled 20, 8 - 3 = 25 (2d20 - 3)

You weigh your options as rapidly as you can, with your slightly-muddled mind – in the past, you’ve done quite well when persuading men and women of common blood. But in these prior instances, you had been acting upon your own initiative as a minor lord of rural Hellas - a cautious approach given your lowly status among nobility.

Here, you have the implicit authority of the King of Sparta, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men of Hellas – although the import of this is somewhat lost upon the ignorant Mytilenian gate guards. More importantly, you briefly consider why Menelaus and Agamemnon invited you along this venture – everything to do with your imposing stature and fearsome appearance, and nothing to do with your propensity for winged words. You also remember that Menelaus himself, despite his affable demeanor, is a man famed for decades of successive conquest of many cities and towns along the Peloponnese. He is not a man afraid to use raw coercion or physical force.

While your natural inclination is to produce winged words and convince the guards to allow passage, in the division of your heart, you decide to act in the way that Menelaus expects you to: playing the vicious brute.

Nodding at Menelaus, you stride past him, your spear and shield held at an aggressive posture, as you approach the rough-hewn wooden gate. As you draw close, you make sure to stomp against the earth with extra force – wearing your father’s bronze, you’re sure that the sound and impact of your footfalls are discernable to the gate guards. Once you’re about ten strides distant, you bellow forth aggressively:

“Listen well, guards of Mytilene! I am Nikandros, son of Hippomedon, and today, I wear his bronze! In my hand is his spear, which is capped with the pitiless beak of a man-eating divine eagle, which I slew personally not three weeks ago. The blood of Thessaly and the ichor of the divines run through my veins; I have slain Illyrians, bandits, Phoenicians and pirates – none have withstood me!”

The gate guards are visible alarmed at your verbal onslaught, holding their pitiful shields and spears high, but you’re not finished -

“Your gate is shoddy, and undermanned. Your arms are poor. You are untrained, half-starved and your King cares nothing for you. Open the gates NOW, and you will see your wives and children tonight. Keep them shut, and I will CRUSH each one of you with THAT boulder!” With this last, you point with your spear to a large stone to the right of the gate. The Lesbians stand frozen, unsure how to respond and processing the very real possibility that you might send them to Tartarus in the next few minutes.

> this was fun to write.
>okay, players – I need two rolls of dice+1d20+4. Nikon’s concussion is still in effect, so his current WILL bonus is +0. However, he is also a giant (+2 context bonus), and has pointed out the poor quality of the gate and guard equipment (+2 bonus)
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Rolled 8 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5774394
Oh look, another 20 from Lesches. D20 system is brutal!
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Rolled 6 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5774394
WHY MUST YOU ROLL SO HIGH
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Rolled 9 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5774394
>20
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Well, the guy who can actually understand us is probably scared shitless. But these two bozos literally have no idea what we just said, so.

We should have just walked up, grabbed one of their speaks and bent the bronze tip with our bare hand.
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>>5774396
>>5774399

>12 vs 17 - Nikandros blows it

Well, there’s an incredibly slim possibility that the Lesbian gate guard would have heard of Nikon.

Now I need one Kleos roll of dice+1d20 - success only on a 19 or 20.
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Rolled 5 (1d20)

Well, let’s hope for the best. That roll was utter bullshit, lmao
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>>5774402
Kek
Killing it is then
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>>5774403
Just another day in Trojan Dice. If we ever meet Tyche, I'm going to dropkick her.

I forget if rolls need to be linked or not. I know wrong modifiers are discarded.
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Rolled 20 - 3 (1d20 - 3)

>>5774403

No dice.

Well, this encounter is going off the rails fast.

Roll for initiative, anons.

I need a dice+1d20+1 against my roll
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Rolled 3 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5774407
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Rolled 16 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5774407
STOP. Fuck dude.

Well at least we can say it was self defense now.
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I'm actually impressed with how shit player rolls are in this quest without fail. Wonder what our batting average is.
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>>5774409

Wow, just not Nikon’s day here.

I should be able to put out another update at 8-10pm
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It's always a high roll with Lesches.
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>>5774407
HOW. SERIOUSLY
Ugh, does Lesbos have a river on it? That would explain the utter complete BULLSHIT
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>>5774414

Clearly Tyche has blessed my hijacking of TWQ, I’m rolling just as well as Homer did before he went on hiatus
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>>5774417
Don't worry, I can see how this is gonna go already. They're gonna step up, try to stab Nikon, he's going to shake his head and flatten the first guy's skull with his shield and then slap the other one so hard his neck breaks.

We did beat the royal guards in Agamemnon's arena while -unarmed-. So these guys should probably take a huge penalty against us for being poorly trained and poorly armed. By the time the rest of the guards get out here (or wisely decide to stay behind the gate) the two out front are going to be paste.
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>>5774430
>Look at this big guy
>yeah he's probably just fat as fuck, those aren't muscles
>dude we can take him
>Fuck yeah, let's beat his ass and take his stuff
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>>5774432
Based on how they've been rolling, Tyche might be on their side this day.
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>>5774394
>>5774407
Jesus, what do they feed these lesbians?
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>>5774434
Tyche is gonna catch these hands. But really, these two guards specifically are fucking dead. There are probably three or four more on the other side of the gate, but they have to open the gate before they can join in. These guys outside the gate basically committed suicide.
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>>5774435
clams if I had to guess
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>>5774434
>Tyche is on their side

They are as good as dead. The only thing worse would be a curse from Aphrodite

But I have to say that I like this wild ride, first I made a meme about us bullying the guards and I had to edit it when I came back and saw that QM was rolling 20s
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I just realized the irony of me shilling talking to Menelaus instead of hiking to avoid danger, only to end up in combat anyway.
I guess having peace in LBA greece is impossible, even before the trojan war starts
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>>5774441
Who could have predicted Menelaus would want to go to the city, alone, with only one companion. Kind of odd, you know? Are we really sure this is Menelaus and not some deity taking over while the old guy is taking a huge shit in the bushes?
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>>5774441
I mean, we did try to intimidate guards on a wall rather than just try to persuade them to let us in. This outcome wasn't expected but incredibly funny.
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>>5774441
Imagine fighimg alone aganst a monster that only rolls 20s

Tyche save us from that and now we are paying the price.
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>>5774443

You’ll see what he’s up to once you’re inside the gates, I swear I’m going somewhere with this
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>>5774445
I thought that intimidation would be more likely to work, since they only had one person that understands greek, please Menelaus more, since he seems kind of frustrated, and it would keep up the cover of brute we tried to maintain, or at least we talked about before Homer quit.
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>>5774450
I figure he's vetting us. And we probably didn't do too well. Or, we're doing fine cause he really does just want us to hit things for him.
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>>5774407
Fucking hell and this is just commoners soldiers
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>>5774456

You had a chance to impress him immediately with a successful nonviolent solution here, but there’s no rep penalty for the failed roll (but there will be if you let a couple of gate guards draw blood against you, you should mop the floor with these dweebs)
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>>5774460
A shame. We always miss out on the best outcomes. Granted we also always manage to squeak by without a truly bad outcome most of the time, too. Still, I didn't really want to kill these guys just for doing their jobs. But they just had to throw hands instead of just telling us to fuck off instead.
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>>5774463
I sort of wish Nira was here to help Nikon with these speech checks. Though I think the Hippomedion siblings being in the same place at the same time would lead to all the Fates attempts to mess with them to kick into overdrive.
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>>5774463
Heroes face death and pain when they bite off more than they can swallow with gods, commoner are no diferent
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I feel like a 6'10 mountain of muscle in bronze who gives a reasonable argument backed by intimidation deserves a fixed dc, rather than poor gate guards constantly rolling 20s.
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>>5774468
>Nira step forward to talk to the guards
>They just jump at the chance of fuck with a non-Lesbian woman
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>>5774468
The weavers need to keep them separate because together they'd be an unstoppable force AND an immovable object at the same time. A walking paradox. They fear our fate-breaking capabilities.

>>5774471
Sure yeah but that doesn't change the fact that they get stuck choosing A) Let them through, directly opposing your king's decree (instant death), B) Tell them to leave (the guy can literally kick your gate down and he wants in), or C) try to ward them off with force and hope they just leave. Like damn. Sympathy trait goes brrr right? Other than that one guy, these dudes don't even realize what's going on other than we're big and scary and are gonna do something with a rock. I feel bad for them.

>>5774474
The dice kill my enthusiasm. Thankfully the memes are fantastic enough to bring it back up to maximum.
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>>5774407
>>5774460
Wait a moment Lesches we are rolling for initiative but what we are doing for combat ? Going up the walls or destroying the gate mechanism ?

If they wound us i guess we will extra murder them. We can't be seen has an easy prey. Even if we are more a commander than simple brute.

>>5774463
Shit happens. You cant really tell a bronze age king like him to stay out.
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For some reason I'm feeling the urge to play Age of Mythology now. Arkantos cameo when?
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>>5774483
There was a Kratos cameo in a meme
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>>5774482
>We can't be seen has an easy prey.
If we get wounded at all that's what it's gonna look like. Even if we murder the guys who did it. We'd probably have to do some seriously heinous shit to them to not look like a bitch if they wound us. Like genuine corpse desecration levels of brutality. The gods don't like that, by the way.
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>>5774487
I guess we will settle for murder all the guards that we can in a clean and rapid way, that should make us still look cool.
Can’t have corpse desecration if the gods smite us (even if it would do the job).
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>>5774497
A hero can't look cool when they get injured by a bunch of nobodies that don't even have proper kit. It's like watching an Olympic athlete stumble. Even if they recover and do the coolest thing ever, they still stumbled.
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>>5774363
>>5774335
>>5773606

I apologize for the phone posting but I did not wish to miss out on the vote. Linking back now.
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>>5774394
>>5774502

Time to enact our very own one-man practice version of the Seven Against Thebes.
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>>5774509
>get washed away by a river and die
fug
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>>5774512
Nikon really being his father's spitting image, all that is needed is for him to marry out of love.
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>>5774500
We aren't injured, they just have the first attack.
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>>5774517
Too bad Nikon only knows like, two women who aren't his family and aren't water related ick.

>>5774518
I'm aware, these are just "If"s.
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>>5774517
>>5774520
I ship us with Elektra. We have to prove ourselves to Nike first.
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>>5774522
I would rather fuck a naiad than put our dick anywhere near that accursed family.
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>>5774522
Nah no thanks bro, the sea is full of fish, there is so many noble houses filled with young women to be promised for marriage and we could take literally a walk outside in the hellholes that is the wild of the world, and if we are lucky find a million super hot spirit woman that might be even not murderous or a monster in disguise.
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>>5774535
Go for Nike. Go big or go home
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>>5774542
anon, pls, most of the myths about godly lovers ends badly for the mortal lover. Imagine Nikon making a comment about his divine lover's hair and rolling a nat 1.
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>>5774544
>"Ah, lovely wife, your hair looks fantastic today"
>"Oh so I just got out of bed and it looks good, huh? What, you want a "blessing"? Go fuck yourself"
>banished to hades
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Rolled 4, 3, 5, 12, 16, 6 = 46 (6d20)

You had hoped for instantaneous obedience from these scrawny guards, but against all odds – they hold firm. It occurs to you that you have been ranted and raving loudly in a language that the majority of the gate guards do not speak. However, the raw emotion in your voice communicating hostility seems to have garnered a reaction.

“Bedreigt hij ons?” asks the left-most gate guard. The right-most gate guard turns his head and yells out to his superior, presumably the bilingual man who spoke previously to Menelaus. “Hoe reageren wij, kapitein?”

There’s a brief pause, as you raise your shield and spear into combat position – you sense impending violence, even if this hasn’t been made clear to your opponents. Behind you , you hear shuffling – it’s Menelaus retreating down the path, safely outside of javelin range.

You hear a long command in Luwian, shouted by the gate captain – “Het maakt me niet uit hoe groot hij is, breng hem naar beneden!” and turning, you’re amazed to see that the gate guards charging in on position! It occurs to you that these men may not be terribly bright – they seem to believe that they can actually wound you. You’re more irritated than anything else – you had hoped to spare these men an early death, but now they’ve raised arms against you in front of Menelaus, and you simply have to kill them. There’s more shouting in Luwian from behind the gate and you resolve to kill the gate captain as well – what an annoyance.

The advancing pair of gate guards do something clever – they split apart from one another, one to each side of the dirt path, while they continue to run. You’re forced to split your attentions between the men as they dart closer, and they’re surprisingly quick – catching you offguard as they dart in to strike with dull speartips in unison!

>okay /qst/, let’s see if you can pull off a flawless victory against these goons
>I need three rolls of dice+2d20 from the players. Nikon has his typical +1/+5 dodge/block bonii.
>I’m rolling for the advancing gate guards – they’re attacking as one unit, so I’m rolling for both simultaneously. They have -3/-3 bonii for their to-hit and wound rolls.
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Rolled 4, 12 = 16 (2d20)

>>5774551
I can't help but respect the sheer brazeness of their actions
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Rolled 11, 12 = 23 (2d20)

>>5774551
Fearless? Brainless? Who can tell?
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Rolled 15, 8 = 23 (2d20)

>>5774544
Actually this reminded me, Nikon gets a +3 bonus with any spirit that isn't river related. We even got it when interacting with Thetis. So our sex rolls would be at least 3 points better than normal. Hell yeah.

>>5774551
>a 2 on their to-hit
uh, well they miss. Like, pitifully so.
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>>5774542
Neither lmao.
From Elektra i want the cash promised and Nike power ups for the acts we will do for gain her favor, that's it.
A very mercenary thing, but honestly i prefer we pick someone that fits for Nikandros. Just wait, patience. You have seen mostly married females and a few not married here in the quest.


>>5774551
Thats a good tactic from them. And we are alone in the open. Not much use of tactical genius like this.
Hopefully we just roll good
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>>5774560
> points better than normal
huh, considering that the divine are related each other in one way or another, does this mean they just really like relatives?
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>>5774563
Incest is only okay for the gods. Though that's to be expected when half of them were born because some dude's nuts were chopped off and hucked across the sky.
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>>5774535
>Nikandros goes for a walk
>stumbles upon a deity bathing in a pond
>beautliful golden locks and erotic feminine shoulders

>it's Eros


>he curses Nikon sister to live in Lesbos and become a lesbian


there is no winning against the divine anon
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>>5774568
>>he curses Nikon sister to live in Lesbos and become a lesbian
Everyone's a lesbian. Until..
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>>5774568
Well they could pull a Tiresias on Nikon and turn him into a woman.
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>>5774563
They are gods, a mortal is like a curiosity, but they will always try first to get in the pants of a female divinity.
I don't remember the names of the ones that still want to go for her, but there are male gods that were refused by Artemis and would go absolute Ape mode on the world if a mortal even attempted and had any kind of small success with her.

>>5774568
Sad but true.
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>>5774573
>female nikon
Don't lie, you'd climb the mountain. So would Odysseus.
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>>5774573
>Teukros you must shave your beard and wear this gown like Achilles once did, i swear it's necessary, please i spiked Deianira's cup with unmulled wine you must seduce her, my lineage is in danger, if you won't do it i will have to beg the divines to turn you into a woman so choose now either my sister or me
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>>5774576
if there is no great waifu, nikon becomes the musclebound tomboy, though who knows if he'll end up looking as pretty as sis.
>>5774577
>so choose now either my sister or me
What an ultimatum. For some reason it seems really gay to me.
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>>5774551
>>5774557
It's nice to remember that we don't suck, but are in fact one of the deadliest motherfuckers alive by weight of the one thing men can't change through study, training, or magic, I, of course, mean genetics.
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>>5774582
>meanwhile, pantaleon with his noble statline of the average mountain enjoyer
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Rolled 4, 6, 20, 20, 13, 8 = 71 (6d20)

‘M

What you had taken to be a piece of insightful tactical positioning on the part of the advancing gate guards - a simultaneous pincer strike on a superior foe - is quickly revealed to be nothing of the sort. The pair are so incompetent, they have simply lost track of one another’s position as they sprint to you.

Each of them seems to panic once they realize they are isolated on either side of you; they completely fail to capitalize on their positioning, and stab wildly at the air in your general direction. Their actual spearplay is beyond atrocious, what you might expect to see from children. As they flail, you have a hard time actually believing that they are actually trying to kill you - they seem to play acting, more than anything. It’s trivial for you to avoid their pathetic attacks through your superior footwork; you barely have to try.

Ultimately, their embarrassing performance gives you additional time to reflect - it’s clear that Philomeides must be incompetent from a disciplinary perspective as well as neglectful. You would never tolerate such horrible performance in your troops.

Putting these thoughts aside, you decide to end this charade and murder the guards; and so you step forwards, spear high-

>okay folks, give me THREE rolls of dice+2d20 for Nikons counterattack!
>guards have -3/-3 bonii
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Rolled 18, 7 = 25 (2d20)

>>5774610
20, 20.
How! HOW!
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Rolled 2, 7 = 9 (2d20)

>>5774610
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Rolled 2, 18 = 20 (2d20)

>>5774610
No!
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>>5774610
Oh my god, we're winning due to maluses, but holy shit what in the actual hell are they feeding these guys?
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>>5774610
Fuck you, guards! We still beat you even with your literal god-damning us rolls!
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>>5774610
>>5774407
>>5774394
I just counted and out of the last 15 rolls, 4 of them have been 20s. That is rediculous.
For all of you who voted against going for a hike are you happy that we are almost embarrassing ourselves against common blood mortals?
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>>5774621
This is their Aristeia.
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>>5774612
>>5774617

>19, 24 vs 17,17
>Nikon connects and wounds, but there’s yet more divine fuckery afoot

Someone give me a dice+1d6+6 to see how much damage Nikon puts out.
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>>5774610
What are these guys? They are stronger then Agammenon's elite
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Rolled 5 + 6 (1d6 + 6)

>>5774625
Crush.
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>>5774625
wouldn't the wound defense roll be 16 due to the -1 from our new spear?
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>>5774627
I am satisfied with almost maximum damage.
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>>5774626
And here's what I could find before

https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5579585/#p5583655
There was no world where you ended up captured. Against less than five unarmed armored baseline full-blooded mortal enemies you don't even have to roll at your level of strength and constitution. There were only three guys manning the gate- the idiot atop the walls, the man who silenced him, and Kopreus staffing the gate itself.

https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5579585/#p5600492
>Give me 1d20-2, Bo4, to see how well you do against the Royal Guard. -4 as they're tier three mortal troops
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Unless Lesches lessened the gap between mortals and nobles, of course.
Which he has full rights to since he took over Homer's quest
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>>5774628

Ah, I’m applying the -1 malus to their armor bonus (which is +1 combined, between their shitty shields and armor). Basically the -1 is an “armor penetration” effect.
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>>5774625
THESE LESBIAN GODS ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR RETARD SOLDIERS

I hate the gods I HATE THE GODS AHHHHHH

Too bad even they can't save these chumps.
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>>5774631
>>5774633

There’s a reason why the gate guards are getting a massive but extremely temporary +4 combat boost, I didn’t forget about the commoner malus!

Anyways next update for 8pm
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>>5774650
I'm now very intrigued.
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>>5774650
Hey listen you can't just be giving people extra +4s with how good you tend to roll. I'll cry.
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>>5774650
Given that there was a narrative reason for all the crazy rolls in the archery competition I can't wait to see what four 20s manifests in. Perhaps they are more afraid of their boss than they are of us.
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>>5774610
Omg more 20 s. And this chimps can literally sound the alarm and call more of their retarded ilk to the gate. I ll have this city burn to less than ash, not even microns will be left, we cant look weak with them. Whatever deity is doing this they will make us look like a mega retard jobber in front of a top hellenic king, if we don't kill rapidly and with ease.

>>5774650
With divine fuckery around, i am starting to consider to give Ares some real worship right now..... he doesn't mind a slaughter....
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>>5774735
>i am starting to consider to give Ares some real worship right now
icky. Gross. Don't do that. He's a chump.
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>>5774735
>Nikon finally wins a real battle by himself against an army
>devotes the victory to Ares

Nike:
>why do i even bother?
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Actually hold on, I swear to fucking god if Odysseus asked Athena to make sure we didn't impress Menelaus I'm gonna break his fucking knees.
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>>5774735
If you want a divine of slaughter, there's always Phonos.
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>>5774746
Now that you mention it, it might be likely. I wouldn't put it past him and his sugar mommy
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Also, remember to never swear false oaths, anons. Any time you swear an oath you have to mean it. Otherwise Horkos is gonna get your ass.
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In a world where death is considered getting off lightly, you don't want to swear oaths without being willing to die trying to back them up.
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>>5774746
>Stupid inbreed gigant, being all friendly with gods... Athena, humble him before he thinks he's better than me.
>Yes my dear

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>5774764
Well oathbreaking, false oaths, and a failure to fulfill oaths are all different things, really. A false oath is swearing before the gods and lying while you do so. Essentially, lying to the gods. Big Mcfucking nono. Oath breaking is willfully going against an oath, so say you swear to take a thingamabob to a place, then you figure out what the "package" is and go and sail off somewhere else because your morals tell you to. Depending on how egregious it is you may garner the attention of the gods, but typically the only ones that care are the spirits specifically about duty and vows. But just plain being unable to fulfill an oath, like let's say the guy BronzeSmith wants us to kill is already dead, we didn't break the oath, it was out of our hands. Or if someone swore to get someone to a place and they were waylaid and kidnapped on the way, that's just a failure. So the punishment for that is between the oath taker and the aggrieved party. The gods won't really have a say in that unless they have a personal interest in the matter or have been called to hand over it.

It's really convoluted and complicated. You don't necessarily need to die for an oath, but if you don't, whoever made you swear it is gonna rake you over the coals as is their right. And they may even just kill you for it and it would probably be seen as just.

That's not to say you can't lie through your fucking teeth. Odysseus is really good at that. The cunt.
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With the momentum shifted, you advance against the rightmost of the gate guards – and he stumbles backwards, falling accidentally into an expert stance, knees angled perfectly, his shield positioned directly over his vitals, as he retreats. The other gate guard rapidly prowls around you with the agility of a lion, waiting for the perfect moment to counterattack – his feet scarcely touching the earth as he dances. You scowl, underneath your horse-hair helm - something is wrong here – these men are commoners, and you should be slaying them as easily as rabbits. But they demonstrated uncommon resolve when you threatened them before, and they have none of the slow-footed frailty that commoners should possess; their advance on you was much too fast. And after their ridiculously ineffective attack, they now defend themselves as if they are men you trained yourself.

A divinity is working against you – lending these men speed and power that they did not earn or inherit.

No matter.

Your shield is a weapon, as well as your spear – the guards have forgotten this, or perhaps never knew it. When the circling guard approaches, you lash out with your shield arm, and despite the enemy’s divinely-enhanced speed, the edge of your father’s bulwark catches the shorter man in the throat – a satisfying crunch tell you that he is no longer a threat. Before the choking man’s head hits the ground, you are driving your spear against his companion before you – and again, your opponent is far stronger than his feeble flesh should allow. He nearly batters aside your thrust with the force and technique that you would expect from a nobleman, but you simply wrench the spearpoint back into the center of his shield, and applying pressure, mercilessly penetrate the shoddy hide, plunging the Lebinthian bronze into his breast.

The Lesbians convulse as they die – and just as you expect, silver threads of divine power are expelled from their mouths, their eyes, their ears. Before you can look more closely, you hear Menelaus shouting at you from behind, running closer –

“Look up, Nikandros!” and taking his advice, you see the upper halves of two additional gate guards exposed above the wooden walls of the city – they must be standing on an elevated platform so that they can see over the edge of the lumber fortification. Each of the men casts a javelin at you, but they are pitiful attempts – one javelin is significantly underthrown, and the other harmlessly glances off your father’s raised shield. Whatever deity that had worked against you seems to have abandoned these people.

You smile.

>cont
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You scoop up the slain guards’ spears, and immediately cast one back at one of the walltop guards – your stolen weapon takes him in the throat. The other spear is tucked behind you, inside your belt, snug against your bronze-clad lower back. The remaining walltop Lesbian wails in terror, and ducks behind the wooden wall; probably fleeing as best as he can. Menelaus is sprinting up towards the gate, his stocky legs powering him quickly up the path – and he bellows to you:

“Knock it down, Nikandros – we must kill them before the alarm is raised!”

Again, you follow Menelaus’ command – charging against the wooden gates, you prepare yourself to smash against the braced doors – but instead, you simply blast the gates off their rusting iron hinges, stripping the rotten wood in the process and trampling over the gates as you go.

There’s a moment of disorientation as you collect yourself, a cloud of dust rising around you – the stone houses of Mytilene are somewhat further than you would have anticipated, perhaps a stadia distant. You see a few people in the distance, but they are quickly hiding themselves within their homes, rather than risk death on the streets. The fleeing gate guard is running – but now being powered strictly by his own legs, his speed is embarrassingly slow. You hear a gasp of agony at your feet, and you realize that the gate captain has been partially crushed under the gate; his lower half trapped the gate and the rocky earth. Menelaus, huffing and puffing, careens past you and releases a spear at the back of the fleeing guard – there’s an ugly sound as it pierces his lower back, causing him to collapse bonelessly.

Menelaus bends over, face ruddy and breathing hard – he flashes you a toothy grin –

“Next time, don’t bother with the speech, lad. Better to strike first when you can. Now, help me pull this fellow loose,” he asks, pointing to the partially-crushed captain. You do as the King asks, and once the captain has collected himself, Menelaus kneels to ask him –

“Where are the most beautiful girls in the town?” Menelaus’ request strikes as you as nonsensical at first, before you realize his intention. He is looking for entertainment after all!

The bilingual captain stares at him blankly, his face deathly pale from the pain, mouth working soundlessly. “Speak, man! We’ll let you live if you speak quickly!” Menelaus turns to you and winks ridiculously as he says this. The gate captain finally processes this statement and stammers out a response -

“The weaving twins – Eucaste and Orythione! They work in the southern end of the markets, but they are vir–“ the captain’s final words are held in place, pierced to his tongue by Menelaus’ stolen javelin – his lifeblood spills out of his mouth onto the dusty earth. Menelaus turns to you and says –

>cont
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“Now quickly, lad – help fix things up around here before we set off!” With Menelaus’ help, you toss the dead guards over the wall of the city, and then wedge the wooden gates back into position. Any close investigation would reveal the sloppy concealment, but Menelaus makes it clear that you won’t need much time. He insists that you break off the spearpoints of the stolen Lesbian javelins, and once done, he has you place your arms and shield on your back. "You might find the blunted weapons useful later on!"

“We’re on a stroll to find some delicate fabrics, Thessalian – no urgency between us!” he chuckles. To your surprise, neither of you are stopped on your relaxed jaunt through the town. The witnesses to the murder of the guards stay cooped up within their homes, and by the time you reach the markets, all the Mytilenians assume that your presence is legitimate. It’s easy to find the twins that the captain spoke of – they are standing before their market-stall, hawking their wares to the sparse passersby. They are young women, brunettes with dark eyes, with buxom figures and well-made faces – their clear noble ancestry has given them unusual height and personal magnetism, although why these two would be working as merchantwomen and weavers escapes you.

Menelaus shoos you forward – “Go on, lad – find a way to get us alone with them. I don’t care how you do it or in what condition they’re in, really. I’ll take the plumper one when the time comes.” The order of the King settles on your shoulders uncomfortably, and you stand, marshaling your thoughts.

>what do, /qst/? The King of Sparta is asking you to be his wingman/co-rapist.

>Explain to Menelaus that you simply cannot assist him in this matter. The potential abduction and rape of these women offends you. Please note that refusing Menelaus here will create SIGNIFICANT, and perhaps even INSURMOUNTABLE reputational penalties for Nikandros.

>Approach the twins and concoct an outright deception that might lure them out of the public eye and into a private space with yourself and Menelaus, or perhaps beyond the city gates. Clever write-ins would be helpful here, of course.

>Approach the twins and threaten them outright with death unless they submit to you and Menelaus. This is the most direct means of success, but by its nature, would warn the women of your intentions. There's a chance that they attempt flight.

>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?

>Forgo negotiations and simply abduct them in broad daylight, tying them up with their own weavings and then fleeing Mytilene with them on your shoulders. Of course, you will attract significant attention in the process - but who could stop you?

>Something else I haven’t thought of?
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>>5774882
Godsdamnit Menelaus, all of this trouble just for you to coom?
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We should've gone hiking
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>>5774890
I'm inclined to agree as well, this was a mistake.
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>>5774892
I starting to think that there might be a goddess protecting these girls and that's why the guards were so jacked.
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>>5774885
>>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?

I mean, i dont want to rape them out the blue so maybe we could try seduction first?
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>>5774885
>Forgo negotiations and simply abduct them in broad daylight, tying them up with their own weavings and then fleeing Mytilene with them on your shoulders. Of course, you will attract significant attention in the process - but who could stop you?
I want off Menelaus's wild ride but we're in too deep now. Ride or die I guess.
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>>5774894
>Goddess protecting the lesbians from rape
Is Artemis around? It feels like something she would do.
Anyway, I'm beginning to see why Helen wouldn't want to be with this guy. Or is Paris somehow even worse?
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>>5774882
>“Where are the most beautiful girls in the town?” Menelaus’ request strikes as you as nonsensical at first, before you realize his intention. He is looking for entertainment after all!
Are you fuckin' forreal right now pops? You were willing to have a potential diplomatic incident on our hands to get your dick wet?

>>5774885
We did not come here for this, so I'm going to hope we explicitly will not be having our way with the poor girl. We will also not tell Menelaus how we thought he loved Helen too much for such behavior and that we think less of him for this stupidity.

>>Approach the twins and concoct an outright deception that might lure them out of the public eye and into a private space with yourself and Menelaus, or perhaps beyond the city gates. Clever write-ins would be helpful here, of course.
Tell them we need the most striking and fresh style for our next set of robes and chitons, and that we would like them to make them. We would thus ask that they take our measurements, and to also walk with us to a more natural setting so to best determine what colors work with our complexions amongst the foliage and grass, as we will be attending functions outdoors with these particular garments.

Either they take us inside somewhere for propriety or they follow us outside for similar reasons. But fucking hell. Artemis is going to hate us just for walking here with the old man. Actually raping a girl, yeesh. Well, playing wingman is gonna piss her off, too. Though Hera won't be thrilled either, probably. Dammit.
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>>5774899
They’re both shitheads, but at least they aren’t as shitty as Agamemnon. That’s all there is to it.

>>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?

Well, let’s hope Nikandros can Rizz his way to victory.
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>>5774885
me >>5774150
supporting >>5774904
Just tell the vengeful goddess that we're really scared of a war with Troy and she will curse peace talks to fall through. The curse of Atreus rears its head again.
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I’m honestly half-tempted to refuse outright, if only because of the guaranteed divine fucking retribution coming from Hera and and Artemis if we fuck this shit up. Hell, they might do it even if we succeed at seducing them.
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>>5774910
I wonder if we should tell Menelaus that the gods are watching, and have worked to impede us on this outing. I'm sure he won't fucking care. The cumbrain.
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Mr poet man, you better fucking pull one out of your ass RIGHT FUCKING NOW! This is literally the only way I can think of where we can stack the odds of seduction in our favour. This whole situation is fucked.
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>>5774885
I'm just going to go to bed cursing our fate, and I'll see what the ideas are when I wake up. Fucking Hades.
And I'm probably also going to abstain from voting in the future when there's a hiking vs something else option, just like I abstained from rolling.
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>>5774917
Didn't mean to reply to anyone. I'm too tired for this.
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Aw fuck, I don't suppose we could try and convince Menelaus to not do this? There's divine fuckery about, perhaps use that as a reason? Fuck, I should've voted to go hiking.

>captcha: SHARG
LEUCOTHEA PLEASE SAVE US WITH A LAND SHARK
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>>5774898
I will left this if seduction win. I won't

Blue and black, heart torn out
You uncover what's beneath my skin
There and back
There's no doubt your touch is my medicine
I'll be alive, 'cause you heal me

And I give you all my pieces broken
In your hands there is nothing that you can't fix
My heart is frayed, my scars are open
So put me back together now stitch by stitch

Put me back together now stitch by stitch
What you say, without words
Resuscitates what was numb inside
So repair me every thread of me
'Cause you're bringing me back to life
I'll be alive cause you heal me

And I give you all my pieces broken
In your hands there's nothin' that you can't fix
My heart is frayed, my scars are open
So put me back together now stitch by stitch

I'm still afraid of fallin'
Somehow its takin' over me
Don't ever let me let it go
There and back
There's no doubt your touch makes me whole again

And I give you all my pieces broken
In your hands there's nothing that you can't fix
My heart is frayed, my scars are open
Put me back together now stitch by stitch
Put me back together now stitch by stitch
So put me back together now stitch by stitch
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>>5774926
Sort of an issue I see with the poetry is what are the chances the girls can even speak Hellenika
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Well, Nikon totally fucking sucked at the race, only beating out Menelaus because he absolutely smashed him to the ground. Perhaps he could discretely warn them to run away, and then fail to catch them?
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>>5774927
Man, that's not poetry it's a song by Javier Colon.
>>5774926
Why did you reply to me with this. I'm so confused.
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>>5774924
I think I'd rather wrestle with a land shark than this at this point.

If nothing else I want to tell him the divines are not pleased with this turn of events and make him insist we do this as a command, putting the majority of the blame on him.

Just cause we're doing a fucky wucky doesn't mean we can't shift most of the heat to under his ass.
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>>5774930
I was confusing posts

Man this is fucked

Maybe we could screem to heaven about this? Just stand in the middle of the street and talk to whatever god that is looking that we are between a rock and a hard place?

Change my vote>>5774896

>Ignore Memelaus, talk to divinity
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>>5774885
>Attempt to convince Menelaus that he risks umbrage with the divines for this course of action, for they have been attempting to prevent our access to the city by manipulating the guards.
>If this fails, attempt to subtly warn them to run away into the crowd, thus preventing Nikon from chasing them down as he's a poor runner, as evidenced by the race.

Fuck, I know this shit goes on in LBA Hellas and all, but I really want no part of this. Give me more man eating birds, or a land shark, not this.
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>>5774932

I take your point anon, but the command has already been explicitly given by Menelaus.

>>5774924

You could definitely try to convince Menelaus against following through here, but it would be a pretty difficult attempt for obvious reasons.



This is meant to be an unpleasant situation and a reminder that the Achaeans are NOT good guys by modern standards.
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>>5774941
>>5774885
>>5774941
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>>5774882
>>Forgo negotiations and simply abduct them in broad daylight, tying them up with their own weavings and then fleeing Mytilene with them on your shoulders. Of course, you will attract significant attention in the process - but who could stop you?
Remember, don't think with modern morals, this is actually how you find a good wife back then.
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>>5774944
>a reminder that the Achaeans are NOT good guys by modern standards.
Sure, but this whole situation is stupid. Is it out of character or out of pocket? No. But is it dumb? Well, an Atreidai is involved, so that's an inherent yes.

Beside that, Nikon having the sympathy trait and having seen the interference of the gods probably wouldn't put him in the mood for raping a chick. Bad vibes all around for him.

I'm really just surprised that the fat man with absolute SIMP levels of want for his wife is actually trying to get his dick wet. I suppose I mischaracterized him. He is just as dumb as I pictured him, though kek
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>>5774885
>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?

Uh….

Huh,,,,,

Well, at least the Greeks don’t seem to care about pre martial sex.
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>>5774984
Everyone wants to marry a virgin. But otherwise they don't really care if you're out fucking. The notion of pre-marital sex is a Christian one. Bit early for that.

So long as you aren't cheating on your wife and Hera finds out. She fucking HATES that.
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I for one cannot wait to fail this roll since CHA is Nikon's worst stat, and we don't have any bonii here. Actually, fuck do they even speak Hellenic? Probably a little. I hope.
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>>5774943
>Attempt to convince Menelaus that he risks umbrage with the divines for this course of action, for they have been attempting to prevent our access to the city by manipulating the guards.
>If this fails, attempt to subtly warn them to run away into the crowd, thus preventing Nikon from chasing them down as he's a poor runner, as evidenced by the race.

Switching from: >>5774905

Sure, why not. The godly interference has me rightfully spooked.
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>>5774885
>Attempt to convince Menelaus that he risks umbrage with the divines for this course of action, for they have been attempting to prevent our access to the city by manipulating the guards.
>If this fails, attempt to subtly warn them to run away into the crowd, thus preventing Nikon from chasing them down as he's a poor runner, as evidenced by the race.
Kings will be the death of us. But an angry god is infinitely worse.
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>>5774885
>>5775001
Change my vote again
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>>5774989
Only one problem: Menelaus is already married to Helen. At this rate Orestes and Nikon will have to appease every god in Hellas.
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>>5775008
Yeah but Hera won't be mad at us, cause we aren't married. She may not like that we aided Menelaus in this, but her ire will be focused primarily on him. She probably won't waste her time cursing us or sending snakes after our dick.

Speaking of Orestes this is why we shouldn't fuck Electra. She convinces her little brother to kill their father. The fuck you think she'd do to Nikon if he ever become an inconvenience for her or her reputation? Nightmare bitch.
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>>5775015
Wrong, anon, Elektra did not kill her dad but her mother because she killed Agamemnon.
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>>5775019
Oh is that right? I stand corrected. Thank you.

Though the sentiment still remains. Kinslaying is kinslaying. We would be in true danger.
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To be clear, if we somehow end up marring Electra, it will not happen because we wanted her to be our waifu, is because SHE wanted us as a husbando.

If the deal is made and she don't want Nikon as a husband, we are as good as dead. Not even the gods will stop her.
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>>5775028
I mean the siblings were literally ordered by the Oracle of Delphi and by extension Apollo to avenge their father's death, even if it risked having the Erinyes come after then. If anything it shows how screwed up the entire affair was.
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>>5775028
The line of Atreus is filled with kinslaying. Clytemnestra ended up killing Agamemnon in part because he persuaded her to send Iphigenia under the pretense to be married at Aulis, while in reality she was sacrificed to Artemis for good winds. And according to Euripides, Agamemnon killed her first husband and forced her into a marriage. In short, an absolute clusterfuck.
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>>5775031
I'd vote to kill her first. So worry not, friend!

>>5775033
Imagine listening to Apollo, that spoilsport bastard.

>>5775034
I was under the impression that the sacrifice was to lift Artemis' curse. Though I guess doing it for favorable winds is effectively the same thing in description. Iphi deserved better. Not better enough to make me want to try and whisk her away of course. Family is untouchable until Orestes breaks the curse.
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>>5775041
>Imagine listening to Apollo, that spoilsport bastard.

If I remember right, when Orestes come back after killing his mother, he asked why the Furys are haunting him if the boy just did what god ask him to do.

The shiny fucker just say "Who knows?" and pointed at at Athena for help.
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>>5774885
>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?

So our sympathy trait may actually help us here if they are afraid. If not, then we could potentially rely on our evident divine heritage. Perhaps we could use our intelligence to notice what they may need and suggest that if they cooperate their needs would be met.
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>>5774885
>Attempt to convince Menelaus that he risks umbrage with the divines for this course of action, for they have been attempting to prevent our access to the city by manipulating the guards.
>If this fails, attempt to subtly warn them to run away into the crowd, thus preventing Nikon from chasing them down as he's a poor runner, as evidenced by the race.
Dude. All this trouble just to get your dick wet? Nope.
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>>5775143
My only problem with this plan is telling the chicks to run. Menelaus is a fool, he isn't completely retarded. Nikon expresses that this is a bad idea, and then the women just happen to get away from him? Whether he suspects foul play on our part or not he's still going to blame us. But he most likely would expect foul play.

And even then, what's to stop him from just marching us somewhere else to hunt for women? It just seems kinda pointless, you know? Added on to the off chance that us being "subtle" about it makes him even angrier than outright refusing his demand. But that is probably just my paranoia speaking.
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>>5774885

>Attempt to convince Menelaus that he risks umbrage with the divines for this course of action, for they have been attempting to prevent our access to the city by manipulating the guards.
>If this fails, attempt to subtly warn them to run away into the crowd, thus preventing Nikon from chasing them down as he's a poor runner, as evidenced by the race.
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>>5775156
you're right, we should tell him nothing, fail, and then ask for forgiveness.

this whole thing feels rotten with the stench of a divine spat.

(one of the virgins is euCASTE ffks which probably is root for chaste or chastity)

>>5774885
>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?

this is probably the best way to approach since it gives them time to say:
>"you stupid idiot we're sacred virgins or somesuch whoever touches us has their peepee fall off."

and if they run flail and fail to pursue, if they really are favored the divines will let them escape easily.
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>>5774885
>Attempt to subtly warn them to run away into the crowd, thus preventing Nikon from chasing them down as he's a poor runner, as evidenced by the race.
My god menelaus you are so dumb, literally a walking diplomatic disaster and target for the fury of gods. We don't need to do anything in Troy for war, he is going to fuck up on his own
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>>5774885
>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?
Attempt to help the twins with an impressive feat of strength in full display to get them mirrin
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>>5775182
It is fate that this war will happen. I say we have Menelaus on our side in a way that isn't so heinous as rape. That way in the future, we will have a better chance of deciding the strategic direction of the war.
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I believe we need to start investing in charisma. We need to get it to a position that we can apply our strategic skills.
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Huh well. It looks like We wont even have to work for Electra's boon afterall. Memelaus will do all the work for us here. All we have to do is survive the fallout. Really makes you wonder why Helen left him for someone who is probably an ACTUAL simp.
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Tally so far, this vote will close at 12pm EST. Anons let me know if I mischaracterized your vote!

hello, miladies, how do you do?

>>5774896
>>5774984
>>5775110
>>5775180
>>5775184

kidnap

>>5774898
>>5774952

deceive them

>>5774904
>>5774908

Try to convince Menelaus that he should abandon his COOMquest (again, I want to reiterate this would be a DIFFICULT social challenge; consider that Menelaus and Agamemnon are not known as pious men)

>>5774943
>>5775001
>>5775005
>>5775006
>>5775143

Try to warn the girls outright

>>5775182

One-post IDs

>>5775170 (give me an OC meme, some Homeric poetry or backlink your previous posts to validate this vote, anon)

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So I want to be VERY clear - if Nikon attempts to convince Menelaus to stop his planned rape of these women through a sort of pious overture, and Nikon fails, he will ABSOLUTELY damage his relationship with Menelaus. Menelaus is like a 55-year-old warlord and the third-most powerful man in Hellas - he is NOT likely to want feedback from the 18-year-old guy from the boonies, and he is NOT going to suddenly have a revelation about morality at this point in his life after a two-minute chat with Nikon.
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>>5774885
>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?

If it works, it won't be that distasteful I guess.
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>>5774885
>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?
As distasteful as all of this is, we are committed. Lets make the best of this and HOPE Hera and Artemis dont blame us too much for this.
>We really, REALLY should have just went hiking.
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>>5775198
Aince this is tied between ruining our relation with Menelaus and trying to flirt, I'm going with the flirt.
>>5774885
>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?
Gods, I hate this cunt more then Odysseus now.
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>>5775227

Amazingly, Menelaus is the “more likable and charming” of the Atreides brothers!
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>>5775230
'Sins of the father, sins of the son' can sum them up in a nutshell.
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>>5774885
>>5774943
Switching to
>Attempt to subtly warn them to run away into the crowd, thus preventing Nikon from chasing them down as he's a poor runner, as evidenced by the race.
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>>5775230
That house is truly cursed
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>>5775236

>Attempt to subtly warn them to run away into the crowd, thus preventing Nikon from chasing them down as he's a poor runner, as evidenced by the race.

Same, I’ll switch again to this from:>>5775001

Basically, we don’t tell Menelaus, since it’s be a hard challenge, but subtly warning them away? That’s doable.
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>>5775005
Switching to this
>Attempt to subtly warn them to run away into the crowd, thus preventing Nikon from chasing them down as he's a poor runner, as evidenced by the race.
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>>5774908
Since trying to deceive them didn't get much traction, I'll switch to
>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?
This gives us the best chance of tying up the whole thing without causing a row or pissing off a god that already opposed us.
Even if we warn them, at best it makes Nikon look incompetent and at worst it jeapordizes his position as a diplomat.
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>>5774885
>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?

this should be a good chuckle in success or failure
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>>5774898
>>5774885
Switching my vote to
>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?
Trying to talk down horny Menelaus might actually be a worse idea than raping them. Worst case scenario he takes it out on us. And I ain't ready for that.
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>>5774885
>Approach the twins and with winged words, attempt seduction. Of course, you are a virgin, you are mildly concussed, and you are not considered particularly handsome amongst the nobility, but perhaps Aphrodite will bless you this day?
Please don't pussy out in front of meneleus guys
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I think their divine ancestor may have been trying to protect them. And I think we are the only one here smart enough to realize this.
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Maybe we can use the gold we received to make a purchase or suggest that there is more where that came from?
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>>5775317

Good guess, but that’s not it.

>>5775319

This is a smart suggestion and is something that Nikandros is smart enough to come up with on the fly - he happens to have some currency on his person from the bigger bag that Ajax gave him earlier this thread. I’ll give a slight bonus for this.
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Final tally

hello, miladies, how do you do?

>>5774896 #
>>5774984 #
>>5775110 #
>>5775180 #
>>5775184 #
>>5775202
>>5775225
>>5775227
>>5775245
>>5775282
>>5775296
>>5775306

kidnap

>>5774952 #

deceive them

>>5774904 #

Try to convince Menelaus that he should abandon his COOMquest (again, I want to reiterate this would be a DIFFICULT social challenge; consider that Menelaus and Agamemnon are not known as pious men)

>>5775006 #
>>5775143 #

Try to warn the girls outright

>>5775182 #
>>5775236
>>5775240
>>5775244

One-post IDs

>>5775170 # (give me an OC meme, some Homeric poetry or backlink your previous posts to validate this vote, anon)

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Okay, looks like Nikon is going to give it a go with the schmoozing. Should have an update post out in about 30 minutes.
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>>5775225
I don't think anyone imagined this was what he actually wanted to do.
Deities don't usually care of friendly fire even on people that did nothing wrong, but we are doing more than that participating and assisting it (i imagine we can say no to participating but, Menelaus is just going to have his eyes going out at the mention of such absurdity {for him} and will be baffled at the idea Nikandros didn't do a grape or anything of the sort at his young age [we are the thessalian young lad norf brute for him]. At that point we will have either the extra weird teach moment by Menelaus if he understands Nik is a virgin, or Nikandros going away which doesn't resolve the issue with gods because we could save only one of the girls and say we did the deed in a private place to Menelaus)
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>>5775327
I fully expect Menelaus will actually try to teach Nikon because he's an idiot who will never learn, and this will be the IC source of the Aged Wisdom trait.
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>>5775329
Quite likely if he understands that.
On other matters i think both Menelaus and Odysseus will now be avoided by Nikandros, getting a curse here is quite possible. And for fuck ups we don't have to do much honestly, Menelaus will do them on his own. Odysseus must be desperate this is not a tamed dove, this is someone doing whatever the hell he wants. Makes me wonder why Elektra even made the offer with us.
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It is common practice for women to be abducted and maltreated in Hellas – of course, you know that in war, whole cities of men are slain, their wives and daughters raped and sold into slavery. Such things are the natural order of the world. But as for yourself, you’ve never been confronted with a similar situation – in Thessaly, you were mostly defending your lands from roving teams of bandits and raiders, ill-tempered criminals. To defeat these men in battle and sell the survivors into slavery was not only profitable, but just – part of the necessary defense of Hellas from the northern barbaroi.

Menelaus’ request is something else entirely, and his selfish interests today have lead to the murder of five men, and the possible violation of these two women. Again, it is the right of Kings to determine such things – but a tiny part of your mind protests at the injustice, some remaining fraction of your boyhood innocence cringes away from satisfying Menelaus’ goatlike appetites.

But you have no choice, do you?

To bring Mycenae and Troy to war, and be compensated with Electra’s reward, you must be in the good graces of Menelaus. To stay in his good graces, you must deliver these attractive women to him, as unpleasant as the task is. As you think further – some part of the Timae you win from Electra you are likely to send home – to Deianira, bolstering the οἶκος, and her safety. You don’t hesitate to choose your sister over these women.

Removing your helm, you force a smile over your face, and toss it to Menelaus. These girls will need to see your face to gauge your intent. It occurs you that you have a small pouch of currency on your person – gold enough for small transactions. A plan comes together quickly.

“Come, grandfather!” you call to Menelaus, a kindly warmth in your voice. “Helios’ radiance has had time to warm your old bones, but you do need a new feast-day cloak, do you not?” Menelaus is quick to understand your intention – he adopts the stiff and stooped walk of a manual laborer ground down by decades of hard labor. But with his kingly robes, and well-oiled hair, he has the look of a man who is now being pampered by his wealthy grandson – a reversal of fortune in his golden years! The predatory gleam in his eyes fades, as you approach your prey – but not entirely. Between your enormous frame , Menelaus’ pretenses, and your foreign nature, you make for an interesting duo, and quickly gain the women’s attention as they hawk their goods to passersby.

>cont
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Rolled 5, 19 + 5 = 29 (2d20 + 5)

>>5775341

You make a show of introduction yourself to the twins, using bits of half-remembered Luwian from your discussions with Teukros. Through a series of pantomimes with Menelaus, you display your small bag of gold and silver coins, and make it clear that you are hoping to purchase a cloak for him. Truly, the women ARE quite attractive, their voices pleasing – evaluating them, you determine that your sister is likely their superior in beauty, but not by much. It’s apparent that they speak a merchant’s pidgin of Hellenika, knowing a few words of your tongue at most.

The transaction of the robe goes well enough, with Menelaus doddering here and there to try on various garments, displaying false frailty, and once you’ve exchanged currency for a well-tailored robe, you make your pitch – you put another pantomime show of yourself eating and drinking, pointing to Menelaus to yourself, then back to the girls, and finally to the hillside off to the northwest. You include a few Luwian words you remember “Eet, eet, wijn!” You round off this display with a flirtatious wink and smile, making your amorous intentions known – won’t you beautiful women accompany me and my grandfather for picnic in the hills?

The sisters glance at one another, trading sly looks as they confer by thought alone, in the way that twins can. You steal a glance at Menelaus, who has partially forgotten his act – he is standing at his full height, clearly preparing to pounce on the closest twin…

>okay, /qst/ - let’s see if Nikandros can be charming enough to lure these women into the hills. His current CHA bonus is +0. I’m assigning a +2 context bonus for the mercantile angle that an anon suggested. So I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+2.
>The girls are unlanded and orphaned nobility (yes, they have a backstory that Nikon doesn’t know), and have a WILL of 13, for a typical +1 bonus. Additionally, there is a +4 context penalty for their backstory as well, so I’m rolling a dice+2d20+5 for them.
>good luck
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>>5775344
It's already over, we can't roll higher then that
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Rolled 4 + 2 (1d20 + 2)

>>5775344
Damn. I was expecting it to be a 20 but this is still ridiculous.
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>>5775344

Sigh. Sorry I rolled a 19, everyone. Degrees of success DO matter here thought
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>Roll for seduction
>Win somehow
>The girls want some of that half-god gigachad grade-A meat
>"Sorry ladys, but I like to watch"
>Cue enter Memelaus

>>5775338
>Makes me wonder why Elektra even made the offer with us.

Her plans are mysterious and ineluctable.
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Rolled 3 + 2 (1d20 + 2)

>>5775344
>once again an unbeatable roll
I'm just numb now.
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Fuck. Well time to roll Kleos. This is in character. I vote apologizing to Menelaus and confessing that we are a virgin who does not know how to talk to women. I hope that this fail is written as embarrassing more than pathetic.
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>>5775351
>>5775354

>6 vs 24
>crushing failure

This is going to get ugly. Update later today.

Don’t feel too badly, anons. You guys aren’t Odysseus, it was always pretty unlikely that this happens “the easy way”
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>>5775359

Oops, I forgot about the Kleos roll.

It’s possible but highly unlikely that the girls have heard of you. Give me a dice+1d20 and on a 19 or 20, your fame is enough to salvage the situation.
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Rolled 19 (1d20)

>>5775364
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>>5775365

KEK
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>>5775365
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Fuck you! Thank you Kleos! We just avoided the worse timeline! Funny how this is the second time our Kleos has saved what would have been a crushing embarrassment.
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>>5775365
Our savior!
Tyche really do likes to takes us on extreme roller coasters of rolls, doesn't she?
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>>5775365
LMFAO WHAT
How the HELL have these two heard of Nikon??
>Inb4 one of them whips out a Petteia board
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Rolled 20 (1d20)

>Nikandros: I am big... and strong!
>Girls giggle softly among themselves

Rolling to be cool
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Knew we'd flub the CHA check. Even if he hadn't rolled a 19 we'd have failed. Surprised at the kleos check coming in clutch though.

>>5775379
>one of them knows where our chariot is
They're probably going to try and weasel something out of us. Like the bronze smith (successfully) did.
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>>5775344
>Lesches makes another unbeatable roll
Man, what the fuck

>>5775385
WHAT THE FUCK
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>>5775385
Nice.
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>>5775372
I've felt inspired to make this.
Couldn't find an image of a corinth helmet to fit the perspective of the 7th image, so I created an abomination by hand instead.
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>>5775394
Godly anon, may Afrodite wash your hair and back forever
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With all the highs, lows, close calls, and near deaths, this quest truly feels like an epic story where anyone can die at any moment, especially us. I don’t even want to imagine what that cat fail would have done to us.
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>>5775398

Maybe once the thread is over I can do some Q+A about paths not taken, what would have happened if xyz occurred, etc
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>>5775399
>80% of the answers are "Well you'd die."
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>>5775399
I feel it might be best not to, the mystery is more fun.
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>>5775399
The classic "I don't want to know, but I need to know" option.

Lets do it
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Even just lurking this quest gives me grey hairs
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>>5775399
Frame it as MAXIMUM SEER having visions of what he could have been in another life!
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>>5775407
Same, the stress ain't healthy man.
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>>5775410
From now on we should only hang out with Teukros and the Dioscuri. Nothing bad ever happens with them around.
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>>5775407
The trojans want to kill Nikon by giving us anons controlling him a stress-induced heart attack.
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>>5775412
I don't know, Pollux kicked our ass really hard in that duel.
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>>5775412
Same, bro time for now on

And hiking if things get bored
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>>5775416
Honestly, imagine what Pollux must have been like before he split his divinity to keep Castor from aging like a mortal.
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>>5775448

It’s interesting to think what a peak Pollux vs Heracles fight might have looked like. As far as I can tell, there’s no myth of them crossing paths (either original Greek or delusional Roman fanfiction)
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>>5775407
I am starting to not trust anything in this quest beside people that were already loyal to Nikandros.
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>>5775454
Did Heracles leave the Argonauts before they would've been able to meet the Dioscuri? Also, Heracles is probably the ultimate conmax chad, I doubt Pollux would've been able to roll high enough to get past his block.
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>>5775454
I would consider Heracles a busted statline fucker on the level of Achilles
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>>5775454
I think Heracles would still come out on top. He is probably Zeus' greatest spawn (with a mortal, at least). He isn't built regular even amongst demigods.
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>>5775448
He is a true chad, not only strong, but willing to give it up for family.
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>>5775412
Sort of yeah.
I am not sure about Ajax. Interactions with him feel very cold and he doesn't seem, neither truly impressed or interested in what we do. Which makes sense Nikandros is a small lord of the frontier, he is a rich prince with great renown.
I am not sure he will give us that training without us paying something useful to him (so myhtological tier stuff since he can pay for anything mundane of high quality he wants) or we truly impress him like leading a group of men in a battle and using a genius tactic.
Odysseus will just destroy us with his charisma.
Memelaus no comment. The others we didn't talk much. The Saliminians sailors are okay dudes.

>>5775394
Based
This rolls are crazy. From the depths of Tartarus to the heights of Olympus.
I feel sorry for this two gals, they seem to know us somehow and we send them in the jaws of the tyrant.
Depressing.
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>>5775470
Ajax is alright, he's just got a serious temper issue. He's actually pretty reasonable when he isn't pissed off. The problem is he isn't really hard to piss off.

Odysseus is a scumbag. He will betray you if he benefits from it. He's arrogant. And despite how clever he is, he's still a fool led by his dick. What kind of dumbass hears about bird women with voices that drive you to crash your ship with obsession and decides he NEEDS to hear them? Total dumbass. If it weren't for his plot armoring by Athena he'd probably have had his skull crushed ages ago. Especially since as a fighter, he's only just remarkable. Nikon is probably about as good a fighter as Odysseus, just less consistent in hitting for obvious reasons. The best way I can describe it is that Odysseus is the Ajax of social stats.

Menelaus is, well, an Atreidai. Blessed with wealth and power and cursed with big fucking brainrot and zero impulse control. They're all basically spoiled children. It just manifests in different ways for each of them.

Commoners in general are pretty alright. They tend not to start bullshit at least. Mostly out of fear of being caught up in something that'll kill them. I'm honestly happy we chose the Sympathy trait instead of the Paranoia or Wrath ones. Seeing commoners as actual people and not just things that do as commanded opens up some avenues out of sheer shock at a noble asking their names and remembering them. Wouldn't win us many favors with the "great" kings of the age of course. Even if they are still lesser people. It's kinda just factual when our grandpa was a literal divinity.
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For all the stuff about not trusting anyone already not loyal to Nikon (needlessly paranoid imo), how does everyone feel about Nira potentially wanting to keep her newfound power, especially considering how she's probably going to be massively building the oikos up with everything that's going on back home?
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>>5775493

Get out of my notes, anon
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>>5775493
I mean, we could always just take a kingdom from someone else. I doubt she'd be iron-fisting that shit when Nikon gets home though. We didn't take the megalomaniacal girlboss trait.
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>>5775501
Well, think of it this way. While Nikon is off preparing for the war, Nira is also sending funds over for the future 10 year conflict. And after 10 years of probably massively building up the oikos, Nikon could come back and just say "thanks for all the hard work, I got a husband for you, everything you made is now mine." And after that, Nira could very well end up in a subservient relationship with her potential husband, unless she takes measures against that. I suppose the best thing to happen would be for High Queen of Thellasia Nira to split the territory, in the event Nira does go the route of grabbing all the shit now that the area is weak thanks to the other poor rulers and the war.
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>>5775508
It's fine, Nikon wouldn't let someone be a asshole to his sister, and we would come home full of glory.
And worst come to worst, we can take Diomedes's throne of Argos once he fucks of to Italy. Unless Aegialeus and his son Cyanippus are around, which are doubt since Homer had written that we are on the inheritance line
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>>5775508
I figure if we set her up with a man with great means and territory she'd still be able to rule somewhat through him. She's clever and charismatic enough to manipulate a dude. And if we set her up with a lesser man, she can stay with us and co-rule. If she really is dead-set on keeping everything I'm not gonna tell her to kick rocks. But it is still our home, and our rule by right. But considering if she is an effective ruler, Nikon wouldn't be stupid or foolish enough to get rid of her.

But I have hope. Started with happy witch, pivoted into kind of worried because wow holy fuck it's dangerous and finally settled on retribution-pilled. She won't be happy if we try to take anything she's earned from her, yes, but she will see reason.

Besides, she'll be too busy trying to replace the water in her blood with olive oil or something so she can get even further from the fucking rivers to hate Nikon.
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>>5775519
Actually that does make me think, who would have the greater claim to the throne in LBA greece, Cyanippus, grandson of Adratus, or Nikandros, nephew of Adratus.
Probably would be a case of who has the better means to force the issue.
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>>5775525
>Turn Cyanippus into a woman
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>>5775500
Lol

>>5775493
I will keep my guard high just in case.

For Deianira it will not be a 100% sure thing. There are many enemies around the oikos.
On regard to power we are family, and i doubt Nikandros will just disregard what she did in the passing years (depending how long the war goes here, could be ten, less, more). A solution can be likely found, they don't exactly have many family members left (mom will likely die during this years) too. And they do care for eachother.
On top of that, hell the Hippodemon family could conquer and rule a bigger territory perhaps with the return of his brother. What stops them if they work together ? Beside ruling a lot of territory needs the aid of someone trusted and that knows how to do that. Nira fits there
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It really does feel like at times the dice both love and hate Nikon.
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>>5775544
It's the dice system. You either overwhelmingly in or you catastrophically lose. There is no other outcome.
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Even though we may have peaceably convinced these chicks to sleep with us, I'm still going to advocate not doing it. Bastards always rear their heads at the worst of times. Always hidden agents of the gods. And I'd feel a little bad for leaving one behind.
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>>5775559
Nikon doesn't really seem the type to sleep with a person he just met, especially after killing a couple of guys. Huh, wonder if dad had any bastards.
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>>5775562
>get back from war
>some fucking schmuck claiming he got a vision from athena to return to his birthright (our pad)
>somehow this is odysseus' fault
I would want to say no, with how singleminded Hippomedon was, but I certainly wouldn't dismiss it outright. You never really know what your parents got up to, you know?
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>6 vs 24 – crushing failure
>but your Kleos saves the day!

To say that your pantomime falls flat is an understatement – the women, Eucaste and Orythione, erupt into gales of laughter as they look at you and your “grandfather”, Menelaus. They laugh so hard, braced against one another, that they begin to cry – and worse, they begin mocking your actions as they do so. You can’t help it – your face burns in embarrassment. You open your mouth to speak but you can’t seem to produce any sound – your hands wring themselves into fists. In a strange way, you feel like you’re back in Peleus’ palace, his hoarse shouts shredding your self-respect.

At any rate, it seems that you are not the first man to attempt to woo Eucaste and Orythione – but your attempt is do so is viewed as so pitiful as to be non-threatening. Menelaus, grimacing, shouts at you:

“NIKANDROS! Why are you wasting our time today? I ORDER you to – “ but before Menelaus can finish, something unexpected occurs. A passing group of sailors are drawn by Menelaus’ shouting, and to your surprise, they’ve clearly heard of you – at once, you’re surrounded by a huddle of Athenians and Ionians, all desperate to touch you and claim that they met with the man who found Achilles on Skyros. You quickly learn that they sail a merchant vessel between Athens and the Troad - delivering tin, bronze, wine, olive oil and other such things between the two centers of civilization on the Aegean. Their questions about your victory are cast at you in both Hellenika and Luwian, and beyond this, they demand ridiculous things – that you bless their knives and forward their prayers for safe travel at sea to Achilles’ mother, Thetis (as if you are on speaking terms with her!). You glimpse the faces of the twins from above the crowd – and they are deep in conference with one another, their eyes drinking you in as they speak. Their demeanor has totally changed; before they mocked you, but now they look upon you with desirous eyes. When you finally get the crowd of sailors to disperse, the women surprise you by producing several small amphora, as well as rations of bread and meat. Now that your Kleos has done its work, Menelaus is a doddering old fool once more, bobbling your brazen helm as he stumbles over the crooked cobblestones.

You are only too happy to lead the women outside of Mytilene proper, avoiding the gate that you had smashed through previously. Lunch is a hurried affair, and more conversation is passed through the pidgin-speak of trade between yourself, the girls and Menelaus as you remove your armor. Menelaus whispers to you at one point, saying – “I almost thought you to be a thrice-damned catamite, Nikandros – trying to botch it on purpose! Well, all the better for a little patience. Wait for me by the path when you’re finished with yours.”

>cont
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Before too long, one of the twins – Eucaste, you think - is dragging you into the bushes for privacy. As she wraps her arms around you, you realize the truth – that you are now the prey here, not her. Whatever her reputation may have been around Mytilene, she is clearly now ready to unite with you in the only way that really matters between men and women. She is not an innocent child in this - her rapid change of heart can only be motivated by one thing: Timae. As a famous man, you must be wealthy – or at least on the way there. If she can capture you, she also captures a life of ease and luxury.

Unfortunately for you, you recognize that this is the case at the same you also find that you have a serious problem – you’re not sure that you care. Your blood is boiling, as your lips meet with hers, and her hands explore freely. Your thoughts are becoming more difficult to collect, and you – you’re not sure what…

>uh oh, the tables have turned on Nikandros. What do, /qst/?

>Submit to the desires of this wily woman – give her what she wants! This comes with the benefit of proving to Menelaus that you are not a catamite.

>Resist the seductress’ assault on your person. Please note that this is not a physical challenge, but a battle of Nikon’s WILL. He will have a significant malus to resist given that he’s a godblooded 18-year-old and an attractive woman has literally dragged him into the bushes.
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>>5775603
>Submit to the desires of this wily woman – give her what she wants! This comes with the benefit of proving to Menelaus that you are not a catamite.
Well, it's consensual now I guess. So a wins a win?
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>>5775603
>>Resist the seductress’ assault on your person. Please note that this is not a physical challenge, but a battle of Nikon’s WILL. He will have a significant malus to resist given that he’s a godblooded 18-year-old and an attractive woman has literally dragged him into the bushes.

Will chad, fuck hoes
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>>5775603
>Submit to the desires of this wily woman – give her what she wants! This comes with the benefit of proving to Menelaus that you are not a catamite.
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>>5775603
>>Resist the seductress’ assault on your person. Please note that this is not a physical challenge, but a battle of Nikon’s WILL. He will have a significant malus to resist given that he’s a godblooded 18-year-old and an attractive woman has literally dragged him into the bushes.
I don't give a damn what Menelaus thinks we want to stick our dick in. Ain't no way we're leaving a little bundle of problems behind. Imagine if Thetis got a hold of it. Also not taking this chick with us. Sorry lady, we're not a meal ticket. I hope.
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>>5775603
I'll leave it at Fates hand's. Or at least Tyche's the bipolar bitch
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>>5775617
So Tyche chose the option that would lead to more rolling
>>5775603
>Resist the seductress’ assault on your person. Please note that this is not a physical challenge, but a battle of Nikon’s WILL. He will have a significant malus to resist given that he’s a godblooded 18-year-old and an attractive woman has literally dragged him into the bushes.
Alright then, I'll play along
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>>5775603
>>Submit to the desires of this wily woman – give her what she wants! This comes with the benefit of proving to Menelaus that you are not a catamite.
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what I don't understand is why this woman expects one fling to lead to marriage? if she does get a bastard, nikon's sympathy might compel him to marry her, but there's no way for her to know that he has that trait. is there something going on here wrt ancient greek stuff, or is there something else? not even considering the weird shit that's been happening around this whole thing. what is the trap, and who set it? can he even think about this right now
i'm paranoid, so i'm voting
>Resist the seductress’ assault on your person. Please note that this is not a physical challenge, but a battle of Nikon’s WILL. He will have a significant malus to resist given that he’s a godblooded 18-year-old and an attractive woman has literally dragged him into the bushes.
if for nothing else than it will be funny when we inevitably fail this will roll with our +0 against a skilled and determined opponent
this (>>5750627) is me, in case its needed.
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>>5775603
>Submit to the desires of this wily woman – give her what she wants! This comes with the benefit of proving to Menelaus that you are not a catamite.
me >>5775245
Realistically, Nikon has no obligation to take her off Lesbos, and she doesn't lack options aside from him.
>>5775624
I think she's trying to get knocked up so she can use the baby to become a concubine. Long shot, but better than staying on Lesbos, right?
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>>5775633
LMAO
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>>5775632
Whenever it comes to bastards I think "There is a non-zero chance that at some point down the line this fucking kid is gonna be walking down a road and kill their dad without even realizing it". Is it rampant paranoia? Yes. Has it stopped me from being gutted on the street by some scruffy little teenage dweeb? Also yes.
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>>5775603
>Resist the seductress’ assault on your person. Please note that this is not a physical challenge, but a battle of Nikon’s WILL. He will have a significant malus to resist given that he’s a godblooded 18-year-old and an attractive woman has literally dragged him into the bushes.

Imagine, though


It would be hilarious.
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>>5775632
>>5775633
kek
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>>5775603
>submit
>don't want menelaus to think we're gay. Plus we need experience to deal with Electra.
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Rolled 12 (1d20)

>>5775669
>don't want menelaus to think we're gay
.
Imagine caring about Memelaus after this shitshow

>Plus we need experience to deal with Electra.

Dilate Nikon anus then,

Rolling fot anus ciruference
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>>5775669
>Wanting to be an Atreides
Please anon, don't. It's not worth it.
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>>5775669
>>Plus we need experience to deal with Electra.
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>>5775603
>Resist the seductress’ assault on your person. Please note that this is not a physical challenge, but a battle of Nikon’s WILL. He will have a significant malus to resist given that he’s a godblooded 18-year-old and an attractive woman has literally dragged him into the bushes.

LOSING VIRGINITY MEANS TO LOSE. WE SHAME NIKE BY LOSING.
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>>5775680
>nike and nikon sitting in a room naked to see who cracks first
>they are both too embarrassed to actually make the first move
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>Resist the seductress’ assault on your person. Please note that this is not a physical challenge, but a battle of Nikon’s WILL. He will have a significant malus to resist given that he’s a godblooded 18-year-old and an attractive woman has literally dragged him into the bushes.

The only person Nikon is losing his virginity to is Nike. Simple as, kek. I hear virginity vows are in vogue in Greece.
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>>5775681
Who will be the one to do this first?
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>>5775687
Nira and Teukros
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>>5775688
>The bloodline live on

Good ending
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>>5775603
>Resist the seductress’ assault on your person.
I'm a bit confused, but wouldn't the Dutiful personality "easily avoid the petty temptations that lead most to weakness" mitigate some of the negative malus.

On the other hand I really just want to hit Menelaus with a rock.
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>>5775718
Learn to sling and bean Menelaus from beyond visual range
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>>5775730
Well we can't really do that or the war is off. So. And I really want to see the prick who got our stolen chariot. You know he's gonna be out there on the Trojan side. I can feel it in my blood.
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>>5775730
>>Staff Sling
>Minimum Range: Six Hundred Feet
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>>5775737
>Upgrade giant trait
>Staff sling
>Build a tower outside of the trojan walls to increase range
>Unassailable rock launcher
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>>5775603
>Resist the seductress’ assault on your person. Please note that this is not a physical challenge, but a battle of Nikon’s WILL. He will have a significant malus to resist given that he’s a godblooded 18-year-old and an attractive woman has literally dragged him into the bushes.
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>>5775740
>We dont even need to come down from the ship to attack
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>>5775737
>>5775740
>Skip catapults straight into trebuchets
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>>5775763
>>Skip catapults straight into trebuchets

>trebuchets

What a weird way to say nikonchet. Is that a regional name?
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>>5775769
It's probably what they call it in Egypt.
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>Resist the seductress’ assault on your person. Please note that this is not a physical challenge, but a battle of Nikon’s WILL. He will have a significant malus to resist given that he’s a godblooded 18-year-old and an attractive woman has literally dragged him into the bushes.

This is the in-character option. We can make our paltry attempt at resisting part of the foreplay. I can't wait for the pregnancy roll. Also, we are technically rich thanks to our sister but we just don't know that yet.
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>>5775978
Hey you never know, maybe Nikon will recall how Odysseus made a fool of himself when he sauntered off and fucked at the Lesser Delia and be inspired not to be a chump in it for a quick pump. Dutiful trait kicks in overtime? Dalliances and distractions.

Man, we're fucked. And in the good way. But that's bad. I hope this doesn't become habitual for Nikon.
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>>5775987
I mean it's fine as long as she's not a total gold digger, Nikon could use a camp follower.
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>>5775992
My man she is ONLY interested because the sailors recognized us and made a big fuss over it. She is 10,000% a gold digger. Her reasons for why she is mining so goddamn hard are her own. But it doesn't change she's in it for her own gain.
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>>5775994
>>5775992
But anons we don't know her backstory. Also, we need to get better with women so we don't continue to embarrass ourselves like we did with ocean milf.
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>>5775994
As I said not a total gold digger, if Nikon can utilize her mercantile skills or something than at least both sides gain something out of it.
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>>5775995
Our sympathy shouldn't absolve people of their trespasses. That's how you get stabbed in the back. Metaphorically or literally! As for helping against goddess shenanigans, yeah that's not really gonna help. Being a supernaturally beautiful and alluring woman kind of overrides that whole "I fuck" thing. Like if Aphrodite or Eros rolls up, don't matter how much you fuck, you're popping a boner. Or in this case, Salt Milf. Just don't get blasted by a ton of divine splendor.

Really though, a goddess can just hit you full force with her radiance and it'll fuck you up if you don't have good willpower. You're either gonna get goofy or get scared.

>>5775996
We don't even speak the same language right now. That's not really gonna help for a hot second. Even still, she's coming off as a total gold digger. IMO. And until we can actually communicate we don't really have a way of finding out. It would be really embarrassing to have to ask Teukros to pretty much interrogate this woman for us.
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>>5776005
Let me rephrase it better.
Is she primarily doing this for the chance of a golden ticket out of her current life? Sure.

But if Nikon can get benefits out of it in the long term as well (her weaving, maybe another person to learn language from) it's not as bad than her just being a total money sink. Going to be a long siege after all.........
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>>5776006
Think of this as a learning opportunity.
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>>5776009
I've learned that hiking is the best option.
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>>5776009
>>5776010
I voted for hiking, so you're preaching to the choir.

This is more finding the silver lining in the cloud....
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>>5776006
Ah that's what you mean. Sure, if we could enter a proper partnership with her and not of the intimate kind, then aight. But if she's just bringing sex and nothing else to the table she should kick rocks. I still wouldn't be interested in bedding her on the side either, though. Give her any leverage like that if she's canny is a bad idea.

Still not sold on her in particular, though. Simply because of the language barrier. Getting camp followers IS a good idea. But it really helps if they actually know what you're saying to each other.

>>5776010
The only thing I've learned is every single king we have encountered so far barring Lycomedes is a loser. But all of the princes have been pretty okay. There must be some sort of sickness that infects kings in the water. We should come up with a new title for when we're in power.
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>>5775603
>Resist the seductress’ assault on your person. Please note that this is not a physical challenge, but a battle of Nikon’s WILL. He will have a significant malus to resist given that he’s a godblooded 18-year-old and an attractive woman has literally dragged him into the bushes.
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>>5776012
>>5776006 on mobile atm.
I don't think language barrier will be that problematic, we learn hers, she learns ours, with maybe a bit of aid from Teukie. As I said, we have a literal decade to see spend at Troy.

Not like the other Achaeans aren't going to be grabbing foreign concubines anyway; look at the entire shitshow between Achilles and Agaemennon over Briseis.
Inb4 we roll another 20 and this is all moot anyway
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>>5776012
>new title
He-Who-Dams-Rivers Nikon

I started thinking about godly traits again and realized that another way MAXIMUM SEER would be ultracursed is if he had paranoia.
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>>5775603
>>Submit to the desires of this wily woman – give her what she wants! This comes with the benefit of proving to Menelaus that you are not a catamite.
free luwian gf
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>>5776019
Well we have to level up to learn hers. So it is a bit of an issue at the mo. Depending on how people vote to pick up traits in the foreseeable future. And who knows how long it would take her to pick it up. Lesches knows.

I'd rather not pick up concubines before we have a wife for the sole reason that succession becomes an issue then. With factions arising based on self interest and support. A son born a bastard can take a throne all the same as a legitimate one if the right people back him. Rather avoid as much infighting as possible for our kids. Not that it would matter for us, since we'd be dead. But still. Also less people trying to murder us for the same reason I guess.

>>5776020
>get paranoia trait
>it upgrades to the next tier in the very first thread
kek. Yeah, MAXIMUM SEER is the most cursed timeline despite the ability to make adjustments to the timeline. You know how you can make it even more cursed? MAXIMUM SEER marrying Cassandra.
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>>5776027
>MAXIMUM SEER marrying Cassandra.
Immediate best girl in that timeline. The kwisatz haderach calls
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>>5776019
It shouldn't be with the passing of time. In regard to 10 years, lets see if we can make it shorter.
Supplies and reinforcements lines and the great walls are two of the three major problems of the war, we can fix the first two if we manage to obtain naval superiority and have a series of bases from Greece to Troy. The walls needs to be breached, simply assaulting them will not work. Or by using intrigue, arriving at night, with no armor and only sword and knife in hand (preferably coated in mud so it doesn't shine) and going up the walls.
The third problem is the enemy heroes and deities. But they don't matter anymore if we can fix the first two problems, because they are countered by our own heroes and deities.

>>5776027
Probably a similar time of Nikandros since she is a noblewoman.
I would be of the same judgement, if Lesches didn't roll so well. So i am taking anything we can, a wife needs time. The risk of death is also fairly high having no heirs would be bad. And even if i despise Memelaus, i don't want him saying any bad words about us. They would impact others and travel very very far.
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Rolled 8, 14 + 4 = 26 (2d20 + 4)

hand over v-card

>>5775604
>>5775612
>>5775623
>>5775632
>>5775669
>>5776024


resist!!

>>5775605
>>5775613
>>5775618
>>5775624
>>5775653
>>5775680
>>5775683
>>5775718
>>5775751
>>5775978
>>5776014

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Hmm, honestly surprised that you guys are trying to fight this, but I can understand why.

Give me TWO rolls of dice+1d20+-2 for Nikon's WILL to resist.

FWIW, Nikon's Dutiful trait is providing him with the option to resist here in the first place - most men of the LBA would smash without a second thought, regardless of the consequences. I'm rolling for Eucaste's ability to...engage...Nikon's atavistic programming.
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Rolled 14 - 2 (1d20 - 2)

>>5776060
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Rolled 14 - 2 (1d20 - 2)

>>5776060
me >>5775632
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>>5776061
>>5776064
Lol, oh well, not the worst first time experience for Nikon I guess
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>>5776061
>>5776064
Ahhhhhhahahaha no way I cant believe these rolls!
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>>5776060
>Nikon's atavistic programming
grandson of zeus confirmed
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>>5776060
the sweetest loss we had so far.


>the highest number is 14... three times

triplets incoming guys, with inheritable giant traits

ouch
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>>5776060
Are we still going to roll for performance?
This is just to see if we could resist right?
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>>5776068
>>5776071
Treat it as Aphrodite's blessing I guess!
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>>5776072

Ah, we're not going to roll for sexual performance. But Nikon is a Thessalian stallion, use your imagination anon. :)

I'm hoping to get out a quick update in the next couple minutes, wish me luck
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>>5776060
The gold digger cracked the rock
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>>5776074
Thanks!
Roll for pregnancy?
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Also, did this gal just steal Nikon's first kiss as well?
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Some part of your mind is alarmed, a small voice shouting out warnings, as the twin successfully pulls you into the soft grasses of the Lesbian field. But it’s not enough to stop you, not nearly enough. You lose track of time – your world diminishing only to yourself and Eucaste; the sights, sounds and sensations all novel to you. It becomes clear that despite her bold seduction of you, that she is also not experienced in the ways of physical pleasure. Your initial fears of being forced to violent pillaging do not come to pass, and instead there is mutuality – an exchange of equals…Although ironically – there is blood, which concerns you at first. Eucaste whispers something unknowable in Luwian, shaking her head at your reaction, before impatiently slapping at you to continue.

When it’s over, you find that it is somewhat hard to separate from her – a magnetism within your breast that demands that you stay in close proximity. She seems to drawn by the same force - she clings to you with a frank ferocity that makes it difficult, at first, to stand and dress yourself. You walk hand-in-hand back to the site of the picnic and you see –

Oh.

The food and drink of your meal is scattered about broadly, and Orythione lies facedown, motionless – at first, you fear the worst, but you see the halting motion of her back. She is sobbing without breath, without sound. From your angle, you see that her legs are exposed, smears of blood on the interior of her legs. Eucaste abandons you when she seems the same, and she manages to flip her twin – Orythione’s nose is clearly broken, deep purple bruising ringing her eyes. Around her throat, there is a ring of ugly purple markings. In your haste, you had simply forgotten about Menelaus…

You step forward to assist – although how you might do so is unclear – but Eucaste delivers you a fierce look, a twisting storm of rage and anguish on her face - stay back! She begins to rock Orythione in her arms as if she is a babe, murmuring soothing sounds. You take the opportunity to quickly don your armor and collect your arms, retreating to the path; you carry your helm in your hands. When you find Menelaus, he is whistling tunelessly there – he greets you with a cheery smile, and says only –

“Now look at you, lad! You look like a new man! Come with me back to the galleys, we don’t want to miss Philomeides’ summons!” With that, he sets off down the hillside back to the shore. You’ve been away from the ships for less than two hours, and noon is still ahead of you. You struggle to process your experience within Mytilene – physically, you are unharmed, but your mind roils.

And behind you, you hear the hoarse weeping of Orythione, fading into the distance.
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>>5776083
Fuck the Atreidae, thank the Gods they're a doomed house.
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>>5776083
This will likely have consequences but could have gone SO much worse. We will make this right in the long run.
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>>5776083
>And behind you, you hear the hoarse weeping of Orythione, fading into the distance.
Ah shit, this is going to haunt Nikon. You think they might send a curse after us?
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>>5776087
We need to make an offering, acknowledge that what occurred was wrong, and try to avoid things like this happening again. Should have just gone on the hike. Our only prize from this is losing the virginity skill debuff, gaining a bit of rep with Memelaus, and the awareness of who we are dealing with.
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>>5776089
wonder if this might lead to Nikon making headway towards Empathy
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>>5776089
Yeah... I wonder what is Aphrodite's clergy position on the matter. After all, this kind of practice is quite common.

If Orythione becomes pregnant, she is so screwed, her child will carry the curse of the House of Atreus.
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>>5776012
Tyrant is one that the greeks use.
>>5776083
Damn, Menelaus managed to turn even concentual sex into rape. That's a lot of dedication to being a bitch.
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>>5776083
So Melelaus managed to fucking RUIN what was actually a rather pleasant experience for Nikon, in the most fucking ass way possible. How the fuck do you turn consentual sex into outright rape? By the Gods, the Atreidae are filth in human form.
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>>5776071
yeah she will likely die giving birth.
I guess we have heirs now at least.

>>5776083
Of course he did it. This shit will happen again unfortunately. And certain gods will probably do something about it, which means we can be in their sights.
Nikandros has dutiful and symphatetic so i wonder what he will do with Eucaste and Orythione.
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>>5776083
We feel bad so we go back and keep both of them.
>go get our girls. Maybe we should steal Helen too. This dudes a cuck.

>insert rage thinking about what we do if this happened to our sister

>insert massive anxiety about sister

> let's get her two slaves/friends

>????

>profit
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>>5776170
Anon, doing that now is a good way to end up with a knife in Nikon's throat when he's sleeping. Menelaus' bullcrap caused the twins to be hostile enough that I wouldn't put it past them.
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>>5776175
Not to mention that it would make it so they would have to spend more time being around Menelaus.
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>>5776175
sound like abandoning them then, i don't think Nikandros is so provincial that he can't understand they might get kids.
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Fuck man, should've gone hiking, this entire update was ass thanks to Menelaus.
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>>5776193
Silver lining is that once we get the war started we won't have to worry about Menelaus' social link - provided we don't piss him off so much that he either commands Nikon to be executed or removed from the war, that is.
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Good discussion all around, but a friendly reminder that Nikon’s sympathy trait does not mean he cares about everyone all the time. I’m pretty sure Homer said in thread 1 that sympathy just means Nikandros is CAPABLE of feeling bad for horrible actions, not that he would automatically do so for everyone. He wouldn’t even conceive of trying to smuggle the twins onto the galleys - not to mention, the galleys are even more dangerous to these girls than Lesbos is.

In fact, rescuing the slaves during the pirate attack was sort of a special case triggered by the thought of them drowning, since Nikon has a whole complex about his father’s death. Normally, he wouldn’t even blink at the mass murder of civilians. You’ll notice that he’s barely thought about the three guys he murdered an hour ago.

Basically - Nikon IS a murderous sociopath by today’s standards, but he is currently SOMETIMES capable of emotional insights in specific situations when dealing with suffering people. If he obtains Empathy later in the quest, it’s possible that he might start acting more ethically as a general rule.
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Seek out someone who can speak the language, give them our deepest and earnest apologies, and try to arrange transport to our lands and sister. If they only knew who that was or what he could have done had he been displeased. I honestly expected this whole thing to end far worse with way more dead.
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>>5776201
>Basically - Nikon IS a murderous sociopath by today’s standards, but he is currently SOMETIMES capable of emotional insights in specific situations when dealing with suffering people

Ironic that this is still better than 90% of Greek Heroes. I suppose the idea of a conscience doesn't quite yet exist at this time-- or at least the idea that people *really* weren't nice to each other back then.

Excellent writing, by the by. Trojan War Quest continues to spike my blood pressure up like no other-- to the point that I will avert my eyes from the screen on a bad roll, or even stop reading entirely when I know we've fucked up; which I think speaks volumes of how invested people can get.
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>>5776201
i can understand that but unless he is an oaf or doesn't care, there is the clear possibility one of them is pregnant of our kids. Can we do something about it ?
>>5776205
like what this post suggest.
i have no intention to add in your arsenal "bastards that fully hate us and will come for us and Menelaus hide one day". Thats the kind of thing gods might help mortals with.
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>>5776212

>how invested people can get

You’re preaching to the choir, anon. Six month ago I didn’t know Menelaus from Menestheus, and at the start of this thread i was digging through classics publications from 1915 to ensure that my depiction of the crane dance on Delos would pass muster… I’m just glad that a fraction of the TWQ player base has been willing to give me a chance!
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>>5776220
I'll speak my mind, even if it might sound like heresy.
I kind of prefer you as a QM over Homer.
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>>5776222

I’ll pretend I didn’t read that anon
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>>5776220
You're doing God's work, Lesches, and you've certainly passed muster. Thank you again for picking up the reins!

>>5776222
I'm honestly inclined to agree. As brilliant as Homer was, there's a certain... earnestness (?) that Lesches has that makes me feel like everything's going to be alright, even when we failure spiral on, and that certainly counts for something.

Be proud, Lesches! Nothing says a fake can't surpass the original, and all that.
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>>5776220
You've done well so far, but I see some anons fall into the trap of injecting modern morals into classical times. It's a recipe for disaster.
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Honestly, one day I want to see a quest from the Trojan perspective.
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>>5776293
Yeah sure, you definitely oppose it because it's modern morals.
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>>5776228
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>>5776222
well i don't remember Homer rolling straight 20s every fucking post for the npcs but fuck if it didn't make me stay on the edge of my seat
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>>5776294
I think someone mentioned something like that at beginning of the thread.
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>>5769045
Found it.
There was some good discussion coming out of that post, which seem to have been yours.
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>>5776298
Yes, modern morals seem weird to interject into a thing sets thousands of years ago and to be fair it was THE reason Helen left Menalaus.

>>5776303
>>5776312
Yeah I really love underdogs.
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>>5776322
In that case, it's probably because of interpretation of how the sympathy trait we picked up works. I personally voted for wrath back then, but I would be lying if I said it hasn't made Nikon be more interesting.
But putting aside any feelings of disgust over what happened, the dude still caused a lot of trouble just have some a one night stand, even attracting the attention of the divines. And showed that he is so utterly incompetent that he can't have normal sex without turning it to rape.
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>>5776326
Wait till you see what Achilies does to the priestess of Apollo.
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>>5776341
It's ok, I never liked him to begin with
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Fucking Menelaus. I hope we're spared whatever vengeance these twins are gonna try and call up on us. That fat moron.

I'd like to bring up two spirits. Koalemos and Sophrosyne. The former is skullfucking Menelaus and Agamemnon daily. The second is playing his gameboy in the corner away from them.

Also I found out about Enodia. Who is a regional goddess in Thessaly. All about roads and shit. Kinda neat. Though if we're going with historicity, she wouldn't exist in our time.
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>>5776343
>Also I found out about Enodia. Who is a regional goddess in Thessaly. All about roads and shit. Kinda neat. Though if we're going with historicity, she wouldn't exist in our time.

Maybe in the future she would be goddness of roads, bridges and dams. All things that lead to victory
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>>5776347
I was fibbing just a bit, she does a lot more than just roads. She's got a super eclectic spread of domain. She does safety, ghosts, cemeteries and cities. She's all over the place. But I suppose anywhere a road goes to she wants to keep bad things from happening on/to. We could totally get bridges into that. And dams tend to have roads to them as well so hey sure?

Of course, she ain't very good at her job. Look at all the bandits and monsters that waylay people on the roads. And how many cities get raided. Truly, she ain't built for these LBA streets.
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>>5776352
Seems she is more comfortable with the iron age.
Also apparently she is sometimes identified as Hecate, so maybe Nira knows about it.
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>>5776364
She's also brought up in the same breath with Zeus sometimes. So maybe he's got a little horse girl sitting on the bench for a few more centuries.
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>>5776352
Sounds like a classic Classical deity portfolio
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>>5776376
She is from around the classical era, so that definitely tracks. Dunno why they started throwing darts to determine what things a deity does but hey, if it works, right?

Apparently going further back from classical era she pretty much only gets talked about in Pherai. Eumelus is one of the suitors of Helen, son of king Admetus the king of Pherai. So he's going to be in the war. Very cool. Maybe there are whispers of a cult to her even now in that city. Who can really say?
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>>5776083

Remember, remember, the day of betrayal,
the tearing, the bruising, and marks.
I know of no reason why the weeping of maidens should ever be forgotten.
The king, the king, twas his intent,
to seek out the fairest and taketh from them.
The maidens, the maidens, oh how they lamented, by the providence of the gods were they caught.
With darkened desires and not a single thought paid, did the boys holler.
To Troy! To Troy! To Troy! They hollered.
And off to Troy, they went.
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>>5776506
Nice
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Nikon should get a pet cat. Cats eat birds. Fuck birds. There's only two things with wings that are good. Nike, and winged horses. Which I have been told are called pterippi. But I don't speak Greek so I have no idea if that's true or not. I know that "pter" is part of some Greek words for wings, at least. Dunno where the horse part of that comes in though.
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>>5776577
I took a look at wiktionary, Ippi comes from híppi, plural of híppos which is greek for horse, and Pter comes from pterón which is wing.
So it's two parts of the words mixed together instead of them in full.
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>>5776593
Neat. I suppose a singular winged horse would just be pterippos then. I wonder if we'll ever see any.
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>>5776616
Did Pegasus sire any foals before he and Bellerophon got shot down by Zeus for trespassing in Olympian airspace? Otherwise I think we might not find any.
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>>5776012
perhaps...consul?
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>>5776646
No, bad barbaroi! There's still at least 2000 years until you start building cities!
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>>5776648
I accidentally added one too many zeroes
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>>5776630
There are supposed to be some winged and horned horses in Aethiopia. But that is if you ask a guy like, 1400 years from now kek. There may be some in Ind, as well. India gets all the neat shit.

>>5776646
There only good Roman is Aurelian a dead Roman. Those plagiarizing pricks.
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>>5776655
It's even worse then plagiarizing: they are, may Zeus forgive me for uttering the word, trojans
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>>5776630
There's also the Tulpar. It's Turkic so it comes from around the area of and within the Hittite empire. There may be a link to be found in that. Can't say as to the chronology of it, though.

>>5776657
Disgusting.
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>>5776657
I believe that this is roman fanfiction, in which they wanted to have some mythology so just claimed to be trojan remnants.
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I had a thought, the way we perceive poetry is completely separated from the way the Greeks used to. So for us it's just a fun time, but they take it very, very seriously. Not to say they didn't just make poems for fun back then, but they did so with purpose instead of whimsy. Very interesting.

Which makes our poem posting rather amusing. As we are doing it just because we can.
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Re-entering the beachside camp of your people is strange - your return is hardly noticed by the Spartan and Salaminian crews. You feel yourself a changed man, but no one seems to detect the difference. You’ve imagined what lying with a woman might be like, of course – but you didn’t realize that there would be…aftereffects. You tamp down the sloshing brew of emotion; pride, anger, sadness and dismay pulsing through your veins. Your time with Eucaste has unexpectedly put you in a melancholy mood (or was it your abrupt parting?) - By the sea, you crouch down on your ankles. For the first time on your journey – you are homesick for the rolling hills of Thessaly. You wonder how Deianira fares – and you offer up a prayer to Artemis Προστατηρια, hoping that She protects your sister from predatory men.

The other nobility are lounging by the campfires, eating their lunch-time rations of bread, pork, and goat. You pass the time idly with the maintenance of your weapons and bronze. After so many weeks at sea, the nobility are not eager to spend one another; scattering across the beach. All except for resourceful Odysseus; an endless fountain of witty banter, charming anecdotes, and boasting tales of adventure and warfare. You half-listen to him regale the Spartans with tales of Menelaus’ victories in the Peloponnese, but mostly, you are thinking – how? How can I spoil the talks?

Each scenario that you develop seems unrealistic, improbable – you simply do not have enough information to develop a strategy.

But what do you know – what resources do you have?

Beyond yourself and your wits, you have Pollux and Teukros – two men who you have grown quite friendly with. Of the two, Teukros has no real connection to the Atreides, and perhaps no personal interest in war between Mycenae and Ilion. Importantly, he is grandson of Priam and fluent in Luwian, and this has apparently been deemed irrelevant by Odysseus; Teukros has almost been entirely ignored by the King of Ithaka so far.

As for Pollux - a legendary cattle-thief, boxer and all-around mischief-maker, but in Ilion, he would be less-well-known and less-respected. Still, he may be an invaluable resource - if and only if he favors war.

Helios passes overhead and is on his way beneath the waves of the western seas when your contemplations are interrupted by a pair of Mytilenian envoys. They have come to guide the nobility to the palace of Philomeides, although they say almost nothing beyond this. As a group, your diplomatic party are considered guests of Philomeides, and so all of you leave your arms and armor stowed in the galleys. Passing through the damaged gate, you notice that the men you murdered have been removed from their hiding places. In the distance, you can hear the yowling of women as they grieve the dead in simultaneous funeral processions. You catch Odysseus looking piercingly at you, and then Menelaus, as you listen - but he says nothing.

>cont
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Entering the palace, you’re struck by the stylistic differences – there are friezes and frescoes along the palace walls, but in a style you don’t recognize – certainly not Hellenic. The palace itself is Mycenean arrangement, with a large courtyard, and is fabulously maintained. Clearly, there’s no lack of funding here, despite the disrepair of the city gates. Exquisitely carved and painted statues line the interior halls, but the identity of these are unclear to you; they have the mahogany skin and dark eyes of foreigners. The slaves and servants are not Hellenes either, dressed strangely. They barely hide their sneers and suspicious looks as you cross their paths – Hellenes are not respected here. On the whole, the impression you have is this: this Mycenean palace is being occupied by men of the East.

Finally, your group is welcomed into the feast hall, and you immediately see Philomeides, standing beside the head table – you can’t miss him.

The man is a giant, like yourself – perhaps only an inch or two shorter. His shoulders are like an ox’s, and his arms are nearly as thick as your own. His skin is darker – darker even than Teukros, and his bushy beard is black as Nyx’s shawl. You draw two conclusions immediately – this man is not a Hellene, and secondly, he is clearly of noble descent. You struggle to combine these two concepts, as your party is ushered into the feast hall. Finally, you come to the obvious conclusion that this man is a foreign noble, installed as a minor King here on Lesbos – but why would King Macar allow this unless –

Ah. You see the shape of a broader political alignment – King Macar serves King Priam, King Priam serves a greater master in the East, and here, you have Philomeides. Perhaps he is a minor noble from the court of Priam’s master, married to King Macar’s daughter Mytilene to brace a large alliance together? You imagine that many such marriages have been made, although this is conjecture on your part.

Philomeides welcomes you all in accented Hellenika, confirming your suspicions that he is truly not a Hellene, and you are quickly seated at the feast table. Philomeides sits at one end of the table, a peculiarity, as a Hellenic host would typically sit at the most central position. Your party quickly assembles by rank, with the Kings and princes closest to Philomeides. You find yourself at the farthest end, with Teukros and Castor. Furthermore, he violates guest-custom by requesting introductions from your party before the feast has commenced. Menelaus waves a hand, smoothing this violation over and quickly introduces himself, before you each do so in turn. Once this is done, Philomeides stands and speaks –

“Now, join me in feast, in drink, in wine, and in discourse!” and teams of servants begin distributing the feast. Odysseus and Menelaus quickly engage Philomeides in discussion; Palamedes, Ajax and Pollux begin chatting as well.

>vote post next
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As for yourself, you will be able to engage Castor and Teukros in discussion. At the far end of the table, you are relatively isolated – none will know of what you speak, so long as you do it quietly. The time of the council is fast approaching – but what will you discuss with Castor and Teukros?

>Speak with Teukros about your personal experiences this day – perhaps sharing the events of the morning with him will build further trust? He has shared little of his deeper personal thoughts with you, as friendly as he has been over the weeks at sea.

>Speak with Castor about his time on the Argo and perhaps other interesting events of his life? Demonstrating further interest in him will continue to build your relationship, and of the two Dioscuri, you know him least well.

>Inquire with Teukros about his feelings on the potential war between Mycenae and Ilion – does he recommend reconciliation or conflict? You may be the first person to ask him this, but his opinion IS going to be quite important, as grandson of Priam. This option will additionally provide Nikandros a (moderate difficulty) chance to influence his opinion

>Inquire with Castor about his feelings on the potential war between Mycenae and Ilion – what does the lesser of the Dioscuri recommend? The man loves his sister, yes, but how this might color his thinking, you do not know. Again, this option would provide Nikandros a (difficult) chance to influence Castor's opinion

>Something else?
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>>5776825
>Speak with Teukros about your personal experiences this day – perhaps sharing the events of the morning with him will build further trust? He has shared little of his deeper personal thoughts with you, as friendly as he has been over the weeks at sea.
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>>5776825
>Inquire with Castor about his feelings on the potential war between Mycenae and Ilion – what does the lesser of the Dioscuri recommend? The man loves his sister, yes, but how this might color his thinking, you do not know. Again, this option would provide Nikandros a (difficult) chance to influence Castor's opinion
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>>5776825
>Inquire with Teukros about his feelings on the potential war between Mycenae and Ilion – does he recommend reconciliation or conflict? You may be the first person to ask him this, but his opinion IS going to be quite important, as grandson of Priam. This option will additionally provide Nikandros a (moderate difficulty) chance to influence his opinion
>Speak with Castor about his time on the Argo and perhaps other interesting events of his life? Demonstrating further interest in him will continue to build your relationship, and of the two Dioscuri, you know him least well.
me >>5776064
Is this a double vote?
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>>5776825
>Inquire with Castor about his feelings on the potential war between Mycenae and Ilion – what does the lesser of the Dioscuri recommend? The man loves his sister, yes, but how this might color his thinking, you do not know. Again, this option would provide Nikandros a (difficult) chance to influence Castor's opinion
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>>5776825
>>Speak with Teukros about your personal experiences this day – perhaps sharing the events of the morning with him will build further trust? He has shared little of his deeper personal thoughts with you, as friendly as he has been over the weeks at sea.

Bro, Memelaus is retarded.
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>>5776825
>>Speak with Teukros about your personal experiences this day – perhaps sharing the events of the morning with him will build further trust? He has shared little of his deeper personal thoughts with you, as friendly as he has been over the weeks at sea.
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>>5776825
>Speak with Teukros about your personal experiences this day – perhaps sharing the events of the morning with him will build further trust? He has shared little of his deeper personal thoughts with you, as friendly as he has been over the weeks at sea.
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Wait, Teukros is the grandson of Priam? I thought he was a nephew with his mom being Priam’s sister.
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>>5776825
>>Speak with Teukros about your personal experiences this day – perhaps sharing the events of the morning with him will build further trust? He has shared little of his deeper personal thoughts with you, as friendly as he has been over the weeks at sea.
It's important to get this off our chest. Plus I want the broship to be real
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>>5776885
I am sea poster.
>>5768819
This is me mon ami
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Personally I can't wait until Nikon is famous and feared enough to pull a

>>5776825
>>Speak with Teukros about your personal experiences this day – perhaps sharing the events of the morning with him will build further trust? He has shared little of his deeper personal thoughts with you, as friendly as he has been over the weeks at sea.
Memelard is a fool, my guy.

Much as I'd like to get either of them on our side in the negotiation, these two have just as much power as we, which is to say none. We'd be relying on our cold, hard-hitting logic. Having them add their voices to ours would do little in that regard. I'm also holding out hope that at least one person will simply see reason and agree with us after we give our input.

We know Ajax is going to advocate war, he loves that shit. Pollux is probably just going to want Helen to be safe, Castor would probably prefer peace, but his focus too would be on helping his sister. Odysseus is all about peaceful resolution. Palamedes is just gonna say whatever specifically to spite Odysseus. Menelaus is just gonna blubber about getting his wife back. Teukros really is the unknown element here. He isn't a dove, but he is aware of the common man's plight. He's not a hawk but he wouldn't turn down glory if it presented itself to him. He'll probably tacitly support his brother, but there's no way of being certain without asking.

>>5776878
Pretty sure he is Priam's nephew. I think Lesches just misspoke. Unless there are some behind the scenes lore changes like with Nikon's existence as Hippomedon's son.
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>>5776825
>Speak with Teukros about your personal experiences this day – perhaps sharing the events of the morning with him will build further trust? He has shared little of his deeper personal thoughts with you, as friendly as he has been over the weeks at sea.
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>>5776878
>>5776951

Oops my error, I meant to type that he is the grandson of King Laomedon, Priam’s father.
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QM's note -

We're finally on Page 10 - I absolutely think we can wrap up our business on Lesbos and be approaching the straits of Ilion (or perhaps even enter the city) by the time the thread falls off the board. There's been a ton of spam/bait quests being created but I doubt we'll see 10 more over the next three days.

Pleased to say that we're essentially right on schedule!
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>>5776825
>>Speak with Teukros about your personal experiences this day – perhaps sharing the events of the morning with him will build further trust? He has shared little of his deeper personal thoughts with you, as friendly as he has been over the weeks at sea.
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>>5776825
>Speak with Teukros about your personal experiences this day – perhaps sharing the events of the morning with him will build further trust? He has shared little of his deeper personal thoughts with you, as friendly as he has been over the weeks at sea.
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>>5776825
>Speak with Teukros about your personal experiences this day – perhaps sharing the events of the morning with him will build further trust? He has shared little of his deeper personal thoughts with you, as friendly as he has been over the weeks at sea.

>talk to him about your sister, this experience has been eye opening, she needs a protector to chase off pretenders and thirsty men while you are chasing glory.
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>>5777732
>she needs a protector

A great archer, of the blood of Telamon and Priam shaped protector
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>>5777732
>>talk to him about your sister, this experience has been eye opening, she needs a protector to chase off pretenders and thirsty men while you are chasing glory.
I know what you are doing, and I do not wish to impede you, however he's going to be preoccupied with us for the next decade-ish.
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>>5776825
>Inquire with Teukros about his feelings on the potential war between Mycenae and Ilion – does he recommend reconciliation or conflict? You may be the first person to ask him this, but his opinion IS going to be quite important, as grandson of Priam. This option will additionally provide Nikandros a (moderate difficulty) chance to influence his opinion

Let's not be a whiny bitch and confuse this man for our therapist please, no good will come of it.
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>>5777801
>Let's not be a whiny bitch and confuse this man for our therapist please, no good will come of it.

This, we need to place him as Nira's therapist, so that she have someone at her side to talk about her problems. Everyday. Forever.
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>>5777828
Nira doesn't need a therapist. She is perfectly rational, sane, well-adjusted and happy. There is nothing that she needs to talk about. Nothing happened in the month of June in 1989.
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You fuckers ruined the chance for Nira to be the one well adjusted person in LBA by choosing the vengeance trait. I will never be happy again
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>>5777877
>the one well adjusted person in LBA
Priam is a pretty good person. He's a total grandpa figure. Hector as well is a surprisingly decent person. Well, except when it came to how he treated the Achaeans. But to be fair, if some dudes roll up to your home and try to kill your family you're gonna be really fucking cross with them. Cassandra's okay, she's pretty normal despite the fact no one ever listens to her and it drives her up the wall.

I'm starting to see a pattern here.
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>>5776733
>Poet and lead singer of King Missile, John S. Hall, has also long been a vocal opponent of slam poetry, taking issue with such factors as its inherently competitive nature and what he considers its lack of stylistic diversity. He recalls seeing his first slam, at the Nuyorican Poets Café: "...I hated it. And it made me really uncomfortable and... it was very much like a sport, and I was interested in poetry in large part because it was like the antithesis of sports. ... [I]t seemed to me like a very macho, masculine form of poetry and not at all what I was interested in."

>>5777885
>I'm starting to see a pattern here.

>>Storm clouds are beginning to gather ominously
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>>5777927
There's a reason why people call it "slam poetry" instead of just "poetry". FROM THE TOP ROPE BAH GAWD
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No update tonight, sorry all. Got wrapped up in an unexpected social engagement. However, should be able to get 5-6 updates out this weekend and get this thread to the finish line
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>>5778049
DIONYSUS YOU CAD!
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>>5778049
Hope you survive!
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>>5777935
Never forget that the philosopher Plato wasn't actually named Plato, but Aristocles. Who knows why he was called "broad" but for someone who was an Olympic champion for pankration, I can't help but feel that it was a stage name in the same vein as the rock. Perhaps when Diogenes presented a plucked chicken to Plato as a retort to his definition of a man, his retort was to chokeslam him through a table.
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>>5778064
I was really just pointing out how slam poetry isn't quite poetry to the modern man. Much as the same way there is a distinction between rock and roll and smooth rock. Different scenes, you know?

As for choke slamming Diogenes, I dunno man. I wouldn't want to tussle with the guy who willingly gave up essentially every comfort in life despite it being well within his means to obtain. Also you might catch something from his barely-washed ass. It'd be cool as fuck though. We need more intellectuals who are both willing and able to beat the shit out of each other to prove their points. Fuck soft philosophers. Looking at you, Palamedes.
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>>5778088
Hah. Based and broad-pilled.
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>>5778074
Diogenes is great, man straight up told Alexander the Great to stop blocking his sunlight.

I'm reminded of chess boxing, perhaps Nikon can come up with Petteia boxing
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>>5778179
All hail Bearistotle, the fearless man that proved his own existence
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>>5778179
>the people who are willing to box nikandros have less skill in petteia
>the people who are willing to play against him have little hope of surviving his fists
World champion, every year.

Diogenes was a hell of a man. Rolls up to lectures and hands out food just so people aren't paying attention to the lecturer. Sleeps in the elements so that he can get tougher. Talks shit to anybody. His vagrant build was unbeatable. Truly min/maxed to shit.

>>5778189
The greatest philosopher of his age.
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>>5778190
>World champion, every year.

Diogenes has so much Will that he don't even needed to roll to resist gods powers
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>>5778195
>Diogenes has so much Will that he don't even needed to roll to resist gods powers

>It is I, Zeus, I command you cease masturbating in public, I wish to look at the pretty women.
>Buzz-off raincloud, I'm whackin' it
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Speak with Teukros as a friend

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>>5777732

Speak with Teukros about the war

>>5776849 (0.5)
>>5777801

Speak with Castor about the war

>>5776833
>>5776849 (0.5)
>>5776857

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Looks like Nikandros will have something of a heart-to-heart with Teukros. Should be able to get out an update by 1pm EST, if all goes well
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>>5778427
Nice, getting closer to Teukros should lower the DC to convince him in the future. And to get him to marry Nira in the future
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With the feast beginning, platters of roasted beef, goat, pork and grains being passed along the table by servants and slaves, you begin to tell Teukros about the events of the day. Castor turns his attentions to the other discussions, leaving you and Teukros to converse amongst yourselves.

Teukros, to his credit, listens patiently, as you explain how you were made to slaughter the gate guards – of course, the murder of these men does not concern him. But he shows interest when you explain that they fought you with the support of a deity – he reacts in surprise when you explain how you were able to see the threads of power leaving their corpses.

“Nikandros, is this the power of all men with gold-flecked eyes – to see the workings of the gods?” Teukros is fascinated, but of course you realize that he and Ajax do not have very recent divine ancestry themselves, although you find it surprising that he is unaware of this – after all, his grandfather Aeacus was said to be a son of Zeus, and thus his uncle Peleus and his father Telamon almost certainly have the same ability that you do. It betrays the fact that he does not have a close relationship with his father, Telamon.

You continue with your tale, as you recount how you lured the twin sisters out of the markets of Mytilene, and the subsequent union between yourself and Eucaste; the awful state of Orythione when you returned, and of the roiling storm of emotion within you. You find yourself a bit fearful in sharing this aspect of the tale- despite your friendship with him, never before have you shared such private thoughts with him. The rape of Orythione does not seem to register, but when you speak of your emotional state, Teukros leans back as he contemplates – but to your relief, he wears a thoughtful expression.

"I do not understand your concern with Orythione, Nikandros - she is of no blood to you. But then, nor did I understand why you risked yourself to save those slaves upon the pirate's vessel before Delos. But sometimes the hearts of men cause them to behave in strange ways." He continues:

“I was…unsettled… myself, when I first found myself in the arms of a woman. But she and I…” Teukros’ eyes shine here – wistful, sorrowful. “But what I could give her, Nikandros – what marriage could there be for a half-breed like myself and a slave?” He laughs bitterly. “I am a man who fits nowhere – not in my father’s court, not in Ilion, either, fathered from a man who had helped Heracles sack the city and who kidnapped one of its princesses. I will only ever be seen as the product of Telamon’s indiscretions. But even so – a union to a slave would be unthinkable.” Teukros loses composure – just a moment – his eyebrows fracturing into an expression of pain, before he centers himself. “I sent her away, Nikandros, before our tryst could be discovered - before she would have been put to death for her seduction of me.”

>cont
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There is a pause here.

“You must forget her, Nikandros, if you care for her – as best as you can. This world is not a place for such joys; battered as we are by kings and gods. Only the strong can defend their own, and even, there are no guarantees.” Teukros’ words are kind, but you detect the lurking depression, the awful fatalism behind them – this is a man who believes that his station at birth is inescapable; that his destiny is to be a bastard forever.

He is right - the world is unjust. You think of Eucaste - and of Deianira. You pray that she has been safe, in the rural county of Hellas. But as your fame grows - so too does the precariousness of her position. Only with power, can you protect her.

“Then we have no choice, Teukros," you hiss with conviction.

He looks at you questioningly.

“We must become strong.” you say, proffering your hand and forearm. The wan light in his eyes seems to change, and grow stronger behind his dark irises; his face a solemn mask. He says nothing – but reaches out to your arm in a warrior’s grasp; clenching it tightly.

Alone, perhaps neither of you could shift the world on its axis, but together - a king's bastard and a man without a father - perhaps, it can be done.

The pact is struck. you think.

>Nikandros has reached ALLY status with Teukros of Salamis, after only a few short weeks – this bond is strong. Nikandros will enjoy significant bonii in social rolls against Teukros in the future (and vice versa!). Nikandros automatically unlocks the other Tier 0 trait that Teukros can provide – ARCHER’S TUTELAGE. Now that this level of bonding has been achieved, only significant acts of solidarity or betrayal on Nikandros’ part can further modify the relationship.

The moment is fractured by the accented voice of Philomeides, rudely thundering out amongst the feast hall.

"NOW, IT IS TIME FOR ENTERTAINMENT!"

Suddenly, swarms of servants roll into the courtyard; the feast table, and even the benches are stolen away and placed on the sides of the hall. Bizarrely, another team of slaves is lifting away at the flat floor stones of the feast hall, and these are also stacked in chest-high towers by the corners of the room. To your surprise, they quickly reveal a sand arena beneath the flooring.

An arena?

Philomeides addresses your confused and outraged party as a whole, his heavily-muscled arms raised to the air:

>cont
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"In the house of Philomeides of Hattusa - all men must prove their worth, or suffer the consequences!" His baritone voice is excited, his tone aggressive. Menelaus begins shouting at the man to explain himself, that this is a violation of xenia, but the foreign giant ignores him outright. You struggle to understand the foreign King's meaning - before you hear the sounds of sandaled troops marching into the hall. Two platoons of men, Hellenes and foreigners alike, line the feast walls, with spears and shields. They hold position against the walls, but the threat is breathtakingly clear.

Philomeides continues his insane ranting - by the gods, only a madman would threaten the King of Sparta this way!

"WHICH OF YOU SMASHED MY GATE AND KILLED MY GUARDS?" he roars, spittle flying into the air. The giant is insensate - he completes ignores Menelaus and Odysseus, who are both entreating him to cast aside this madness before he garners Zeus' retribution. Philomeides' bloodshot eyes dance between yourself and Ajax - the only men of roughly equivalent in size to himself.

"I CHALLENGE THE GUILTY MAN TO STEP FORWARD AND TEST YOUR STRENGTH AGAINST MINE!

Harpocrates, god of silence, drapes his cloak about the room - only the faint crackling of the walltorches audible.

>what do, /qst/?

>Stand before Philomeides, answering his call, facing him in a challenge of wrestling. The man is a giant, like yourself - and perhaps a trained wrestler as well, given that he has taken the time to build a wrestling arena underneath his feast hall. Victory here would continue to build your legend - but failure would lead to crushing shame.

>Do not reveal yourself and edge towards the nearest chest-tower of floor stones. You, along with your group, are unarmed. But with your mighty strength, you would be able to hurl these flooring stones like massive discuses to great effect against the commoner troops.

>Do not reveal yourself and link up with Teukros, the Dioscuri and Ajax. If Philomeides orders your murder, the five of you charging against enemy troops could hardly be withstood by commoners - you can arm yourselves with the spears and shields that you strip from the dead.

>Something else?
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>>5778647
>>Stand before Philomeides, answering his call, facing him in a challenge of wrestling. The man is a giant, like yourself - and perhaps a trained wrestler as well, given that he has taken the time to build a wrestling arena underneath his feast hall. Victory here would continue to build your legend - but failure would lead to crushing shame.

Why not?
Losing
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>>5778647
>Proclaim that they gravely insulted those of divine and kingly blood and were bold enough to attack first. Diplomacy was even attempted at first.

We play to the crowd. We were in the right. I also think that this guy's stats are all physical.
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Oh look, we have a volunteer for the role of First Target on our future island hopping campaign
>>5778647
>Do not reveal yourself and link up with Teukros, the Dioscuri and Ajax. If Philomeides orders your murder, the five of you charging against enemy troops could hardly be withstood by commoners - you can arm yourselves with the spears and shields that you strip from the dead.
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>>5778637
Oh hell yeah, Teukros is great!
>>5778647
>Stand before Philomeides, answering his call, facing him in a challenge of wrestling. The man is a giant, like yourself - and perhaps a trained wrestler as well, given that he has taken the time to build a wrestling arena underneath his feast hall. Victory here would continue to build your legend - but failure would lead to crushing shame.
This is the dumbest option, but the man went out of his way to build a wrestling arena.
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>>5778647
What are the chances this has to do with the divinity hanging about who empowered the soldiers? As much as I don't want this fight to happen I have a feeling not revealing ourselves will end poorly.

Also, we should try and get a read on Menelaus and what he wants to do and use our intelligence to assess Philomeides for weaknesses.
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Man, Teukros is a bro! Even if we don't marry him off to Deianira (still need to check what his thoughts on witchery are), I'd say the man's earned a place in our house. If he's teaching us archery, I wonder what we're teaching him in turn? Tactics?

>>5778647
>Do not reveal yourself and edge towards the nearest chest-tower of floor stones. You, along with your group, are unarmed. But with your mighty strength, you would be able to hurl these flooring stones like massive discuses to great effect against the commoner troops.

When in doubt, rely on R O C K.
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>>5778647
me >>5776849
>Do not reveal yourself and link up with Teukros, the Dioscuri and Ajax. If Philomeides orders your murder, the five of you charging against enemy troops could hardly be withstood by commoners - you can arm yourselves with the spears and shields that you strip from the dead.
Beware the Memelaus. He cries out in pain, "Respect my guest-right!" even as he kills your guards.
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>>5778684
>If he's teaching us archery, I wonder what we're teaching him in turn?

Rock Throwing
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>>Stand before Philomeides, answering his call, facing him in a challenge of wrestling. The man is a giant, like yourself - and perhaps a trained wrestler as well, given that he has taken the time to build a wrestling arena underneath his feast hall. Victory here would continue to build your legend - but failure would lead to crushing shame.

>>5778655
>Proclaim that they gravely insulted those of divine and kingly blood and were bold enough to attack first. Diplomacy was even attempted at first.
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>>5778647
>>5778655

>Stand before Philomeides, answering his call, facing him in a challenge of wrestling. The man is a giant, like yourself - and perhaps a trained wrestler as well, given that he has taken the time to build a wrestling arena underneath his feast hall. Victory here would continue to build your legend - but failure would lead to crushing shame.
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>>5778647
>>Do not reveal yourself and edge towards the nearest chest-tower of floor stones. You, along with your group, are unarmed. But with your mighty strength, you would be able to hurl these flooring stones like massive discuses to great effect against the commoner troops.
I half expect Odysseus to rat us out. But I also hope he may do something to talk the guy down. If he doesn't though, it'll be time to ROCK.

I also can't wait to be able to call Achilles our friend and ally. I want to be buds with all the princes. Because then we can make sure they won't become really stupid kings, but only kind of stupid kings. No more Atreids. Yes I plan on keeping the greatest of us alive despite prophecy. The Dioscuri as well. Only the biggest of balls in our plans.

>>5778691
>teukros gains a trait that gives him the strength necessary to shoot bolder-tipped arrows
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>>5778647
>Do not reveal yourself and link up with Teukros, the Dioscuri and Ajax. If Philomeides orders your murder, the five of you charging against enemy troops could hardly be withstood by commoners - you can arm yourselves with the spears and shields that you strip from the dead.
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Oh right I forgot Fuck you Menelaus. Idiot.
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>>5778637
>ARCHER’S TUTELAGE
I realize it's likely a vain hope but hear me out
Greatbow
>Be Trojan soldier
>First battle in the war about to start, taking in the Hellene forces
>Clearly out of arrowreach, still see one being loosed
>"Pfft, surely they don't think that will hit-"
>Guy next to you is by a spear with fletchings on it
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>>5778774
>Guy next to you is by a spear
Should be "is hit by a spear"
ugh, it's too late for me me to posting
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>>5778774
>Hey, Odyckesus, make me a big bow.
>Why the fuck would I lose my time making a bow for a stupid ape like you, my good friend?
>Oh thenk you- sorry to bother you, Paladork said that it was impossible, anyways
>Hold my Athena

>One week later:
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>>5778804
>"I'm sorry, Nikandros, it just can't be done."
>Odysseus immediately: "Why isn't it possible?"
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>>5778804
>go to palamedes
>hey can you make me some huge arrows for this bow I got?
>I am busy, Thessalian, there is much I need to be doing
>Ah that's fine, Odinkydicks said you couldn't make worthy projectiles for such a weapon
>Give me three days, my large friend.

>>5778843
Odysseus would probably watch himself in the mirror when fucking, too.
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>>5778804
Just like Nikon skips catapults to trebuchets, he skips longbows to greatbows
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Tally so far

Phil-o-MANIA

>>5778653
>>5778666
>>5778699
>>5778704

Demigods forward!

>>5778658
>>5778687
>>5778753

I cast ROCK

>>5778684
>>5778710
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>>5778868
So if the not revealers band together instead of split between two options, they can stop LWE from happening
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>>5778876
Wrong, if they band together the Kill Menelaus vote will win
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>>5778876

I’ll close the vote at 8pm EST so players have a chance to persuade one another and lurkers can chime in
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>>5778884
>Wrong, if they band together the Kill Menelaus vote will win
u wot?
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>>5778891
>u wot?

Speak right or my slave won't understand you.

Gods, I hate when people use their Literate skill on me...
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>>5778647
>>5778655
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>>5778900
My apologies. I mean to ask, how is not stepping up to throw hands the "kill menelaus" option? It's not like he's gonna do it. Phily-cheese-steak already suspects it was either us or Ajax. Just because we're huge.
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>>5778647
>Do not reveal yourself and link up with Teukros, the Dioscuri and Ajax. If Philomeides orders your murder, the five of you charging against enemy troops could hardly be withstood by commoners - you can arm yourselves with the spears and shields that you strip from the dead.

Let’s actually use our brain here.
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>>5778647
>Do not reveal yourself and link up with Teukros, the Dioscuri and Ajax. If Philomeides orders your murder, the five of you charging against enemy troops could hardly be withstood by commoners - you can arm yourselves with the spears and shields that you strip from the dead.

I dont trust this guy
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>>5778868
>>5778647
I didnt du nuffin.
>Do not reveal yourself and link up with Teukros, the Dioscuri and Ajax. If Philomeides orders your murder, the five of you charging against enemy troops could hardly be withstood by commoners - you can arm yourselves with the spears and shields that you strip from the dead.

We just did what we were told. We even announced ourselves. I say we just start the killing now. But guess we gotta wait memelaus.
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>>5778647
>Something else?
>tell him we did him a favor by killing the guards as now he can actually get competent ones and the gate was so shoddy that it fell to our knocking.

then piss on his sandpit to establish dominance
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>>5779025
Right now it looks like not revealing ourselves is going to win.
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I just had a thought pass by me head, what if the twins show up now seeing the commotion and accuse us and Menelaus?
Does't matter much because it seems that there will be a fight no matter what we choose, just different flavours of it.
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>>5779031

Interesting thought anon, but the twins are pretty far beneath the notice of Philomeides, being destitute and unlanded noblewomen and mediocre weavers to boot. They’re considered the “local hotties” by the people of Mytilene but Philomeides has better-looking concubines down the hall.

So basically, they’d normally never be granted access to Philomeides’ palace.

Don’t worry though…

they’ll almost certainly show up again
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>>5779031
That'd be a pain in the dick. But yeah it looks like Philistine is itching for a slapping. Would they be here though? Seems like they were royal in descent but not status, since they were weavers by trade. If they were living by trade they weren't living off of tax payers, you feel?
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>>5779025

I’m going to treat this as a vote for wrassling with Phil unless you tell me otherwise anon, them’s fighting words
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>>5779037
Every day that passes knowing we lost our virginity pains me. We will never be a wizard now. And there are consequences.

Well at least since our V-card was taken it won't be such a pain in the ass to resist seduction from now on. Last thing we need is to pull an [insert almost any fucking hero ever] and let our dick drag us into danger.
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>>5779042

>implying that losing v-card = a bonus to future seduction resists

Why, you have exactly backwards anon!

Now Menelaus knows Nikon can’t resist a goodlooking bird, like all the great heroes of Hellas…
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>>5779053
Right. So much for "easily resists that which lead lesser men to ruin". Very thrilled to hear. Guess I'm voting to murder women from now on before they get a chance to roll to seduce.
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>>5779063

Well, I intend to continue to provide Nikon with a chance to resist seduction attempts in keeping with his Dutiful trait and he won’t have any mechanical penalties to these, but Menelaus is obviously not actually an idiot, despite the meming. You don’t stay King as a complete dolt.

So the “old guard” of Mycenae will obviously know that Nikandros is not immune to feminine wiles in the future and all that this entails
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>>5778647
>>Do not reveal yourself and link up with Teukros, the Dioscuri and Ajax. If Philomeides orders your murder, the five of you charging against enemy troops could hardly be withstood by commoners - you can arm yourselves with the spears and shields that you strip from the dead.
I wish we could btfo this guy but given our rolls we may very well end the quest here : (

also perhaps the thread should be archived as it's soon to fall off the board.
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>>5779079
>and he won’t have any mechanical penalties to these,
Your last post made that sound like the exact opposite. I was about to pop off on your about cascading failures and REEEE. As long as we aren't getting turbo-fucked beyond any possibility of success I don't really care. I just didn't want to have to deal with both your ridiculous rolls and stacking penalties. Still gonna vote to cave in some chicks' skulls before they can speak though. I ain't just gonna sit here and let a buncha whores push us around all the time.

Gods I fucking hate the Atreidaes. Now we have to up our WILL solely because of this. Silver lining is that I guess Odysseus is going to have to actually try to manipulate Nikon in the future. What a pain.

>>5779086
It's only page 11 anon. Live on the edge. Try and get the last post in. Winner gets imaginary bragging rights.
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>>5779113
It's not some big revelation, since we already knew you were a shapeshifter and you normally post memes
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>>5779113

>Zeus playing my quest in between accosting peasant women and particularly attractive animals

The highest honor as a QM
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>>5779086
It's already archived. Been so for a week or two now.
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>>5779129
>particularly attractive animals
The giant birds were his descendants weren't they?
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Given the fact that we’re being unceremoniously pushed off the board by all the new non-bait quests (which I am glad about, honestly), I will likely hold off on new updates until the new TWQ thread is up in mid-November.

For those of you who have been reading since I launched Deianira’s Sidestory - you have my eternal gratitude for helping me keep the TWQ-universe alive.

We can do a lil Q+A before the thread dies, although I reserve the right to not spoil plot developments, etc
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>>5779139
There is a upgrade to Giant?

You have decide who will be our Divine granpa yet?

Nike is nice?



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