>>7292468
But can they... Love?

They are raised from adolescence to be the perfect soldiers. They spend every waking hour of every day training for combat. They are conditioned to eliminate fear, doubt and compassion. They are hypno-indoctrinated to know the Codex Astartes, the most efficient possible tactic for almost any situation, instinctively, subconsciously. They can penetrate any defences, see in pitch black, fight on the ocean floor or in space, blast entry into any bunker. They are no longer human, they are mobile weapons.
Space Marines are not human. They aren’t knights in space. They aren’t even special forces. They’re one step away from Eversor Assassins – the eversor goes the route of indiscriminate, drug-fuelled destruction, while the marine practices precise, perfect strikes with overwhelming force.

Even the deployment is similar – both are used in decapitating strikes to the enemy’s command, often in the middle of an offensive. The Imperial Guard engages the enemy, and in the midst of the battle comes a drop pod from orbit. It’s impact alone strikes with the force of a missile, and from it emerge ten walking tanks, firing weapons that penetrate any cover and all moving in perfect synchronicity to eliminate their targets as efficiently as possible.


They aren’t soldiers; they’re as close as the Imperium can get to Iron Men. They’re mind-scrubbed, their history deleted and their personality erased. They don’t need to think beyond the battlefield. The Codex Astartes contains their entire curriculum, and is learned by rote and hypnosis. Front line tactics and strategy are unnecessary, because a Space Marine will never see the front lines. Every facet of their mission will be perfectly planned; every piece if intelligence scrutinised. Their pre-mission preparation involves memorising every scrap of mission data so they know the exact route to take upon landing, the exact position and priority of their targets. They’re a surgical missile.

>>7292470
No they can not.

>and interfaces subdermally with the wearer to provide detailed information and feedback on every possible battlefield situation.

I just imagined Crysis as a Space Marine.

>MAXIMUM ARMOUR

It's glorious.

>>7292482
Actually, it'd probably be a lot like Crisis' nanosuits. Except it wouldn't bother anouncing anything, or waiting for user input.

>>7292468
>>7292472
>>7292477

Amen. This whole "KNIGHT MONK SPACE ARMY CHAPTERS" bullshit can go fuck itself.

And they use camouflage, dipshits.

And yet they still betrayed. Not a dig at writer or OP, but its hard to buy into the above when for all the talk of how loyal they are, personality erased, they STILL went rogue...

>>7292481
Get out.

>>7292492
Notice how the hynotherapy is only mentioned in post-herest fluff?

There's your reason.

And yet still there is one foe they cannot overcome...

>>7292481
Space Marines from chapters with less strict rules still give some power-armoured lovin' around.

Space Wolves, Salamanders...

>>7292500

Astral Claws? Red Corsairs? Huron Blackheart?

>>7292468

THEY ARE THE MEN IN BLACK.

>>7292492

Hypnotherapy was introduced as part of the Codex reforms initiated by Roboute Guilliman to prevent a second Heresy. Prior to that, SM were individuals. They were cleansed of all emotion and capacity to think of anything beyond fighting to minimise the chance that the forces of Chaos could corrupt them; that way, even if a second Heresy were to occur, it could hopefully be stopped instead of snowballing like the first one did because of the support of the Ruinous Powers.

Space Marines are biological automatons.

>>7292508
Can be logically explained. After all, you won't get very far with an autonomous fighting force if the commanders are as indoctrinated and robotic as the troops. Logically, the Chapters' leaders would have to have some serious hypnotherapy to eliminate the harsher conditioning and enable them to actually function as leaders and decision-makers.

Thus, corruption is possible. And after that initial corruption, Chaos.

Ah've got a bone to pick with about half o' that, son.

>>7292468

I FUCKING LOVE DORFS

>>7292501
SQUAD BROKEN

>>7292523
As if the Viking idiology doesn't follow the Special Forces concept of CHARGE, GET THE OBJECTIVE, GET THE FOOOK OUT...

>>7292522

Of course, in the field, hypno-therapy isn't possible. Without maintenance treatment, the harsher conditioning will tend to break down. With sufficiently strong-willed individuals, the conditioning probably breaks down faster, and you end up with leaders who break free of their conditioning faster. Since Marines are conditioned to trust their leaders and follow orders, it's possible for a commanding officer to lead his entire unit astray.

It's in no way a perfect system. Nothing in the Imperium is.

Also, Chaos Space Marines don't do hypno-therapy, so they're all individuals with the capacity for self-reflection. It's what makes them so dangerous. It also means they have nothing but contempt, hatred and possibly pity for Imperial Space Marines.

>>7292522 are as indoctrinated and robotic as the troops.

Surely having been uploaded with a vast amount of strategies will cover this. I mean, I think "robots" is the wrong way to describe it - its more like taking a man, and refining him for a singular purpose; war.

>>7292523

Shut up, Russ. You're a Primarch. None of this applies to you.

Now, go back to being dead, and accept the fact that Smurfboy General fucked everyone up.

>>7292544 and accept the fact that Smurfboy General fucked everyone up.

He saved the Imperium by redesigning it.

>>7292539
Well, they do like to say things like "free you from your slavery to the false emperor"

>>7292544
I wasn't talking about me, I was talking about the way MY WOLVES are organized, dammnit! Ain't no prissy brother of mine gonna tell me how to run an army, no matter how much I love the kid.

>>7292540
Not when you remove most of what makes someone a man - emotion, empathy, etc. Plus, commanding a thousand Marines requires a different skillset than STEEL REHN.

>>7292539
Although I'd be willing to bet that Marines are re-indoctrinated as 'top-up' sessions as part of mission briefing/debriefing. After all, the best way to know mission background and parameters is to burn it into the subconscious.

Thus, I'd be willing to bet that Marine commanders are handpicked by previous Marine commanders, and are guided through the removal of the conditioning and recieve advanced training to give them the skills to command.

>>7292539 Of course, in the field, hypno-therapy isn't possible. Without maintenance treatment, the harsher conditioning will tend to break down. With sufficiently strong-willed individuals, the conditioning probably breaks down faster, and you end up with leaders who break free of their conditioning faster. Since Marines are conditioned to trust their leaders and follow orders, it's possible for a commanding officer to lead his entire unit astray.

It's in no way a perfect system. Nothing in the Imperium is.

Also, Chaos Space Marines don't do hypno-therapy, so they're all individuals with the capacity for self-reflection. It's what makes them so dangerous. It also means they have nothing but contempt, hatred and possibly pity for Imperial Space Marines.

>>7292554Although I'd be willing to bet that Marines are re-indoctrinated as 'top-up' sessions as part of mission briefing/debriefing. After all, the best way to know mission background and parameters is to burn it into the subconscious.

Love of Astartes... returning...

>>7292489 Amen. This whole "KNIGHT MONK SPACE ARMY CHAPTERS" bullshit can go fuck itself.

Amen.

>And they use camouflage, dipshits.

I think that's going too far towards making them generic power armored soldiers, but something of a balance would be nice.

>>7292590
Logically, they wouldn't need camo. After all, the most common useage of Astartes is to drop them from orbit in what amounts to an armoured, disarmed missile, and let them kill everything around the drop point. Then send in the Tunderhawks for pickup.

What would be the use in camo? They're nine feet tall and at least five or six feet broad. Except for certain missions (which the standard chapter colours could be waived, I'm sure), camo really isn't going to help. The only things it could confuse would be basic infantry without any thermoptics or such, and they really aren't much of a threat.

>>7292590
They use camouflage when the situation call fort it - but in most cases, it's scouts who are in those situations. Marines who have earned their power armor trust in it to protect them even as they neglect their self-preservation to better strike fear into the hearts of their enemies.

Fuck. You could have been so goddamn cool, Space Marines. Why did you have to get so stupid?

>>7292590
>>7292607
Still, SM PA can actively become camouflage, there's some kind of colour technology on top of the armour.

Or at least that was in 2nd Ed.

This would make RPing Marines a hell of a lot better. Not easier, mind, but plenty more awesome. After all, in DH/RT, the only time you'll encounter a Marine is if he's been lost, either presumed dead, captured, or just cut off. He'd have no idea what normal society is, or how to function in it, and his hypno-conditioning will be starting to fragment. He'd be in the midst of a transition from inhuman murder robot to confused adolescent, in his mind.

This could actually get that one guy in my group to finally see the grimdark side of 40k.

>>7292635
Yet another reason to wear your helmet.

>>7292632 Why did you have to get so stupid?

GW decided they should be Captain Amercia-esque good-guys for the kiddies.

>>7292638
You know? That would make a great novel.

But I wouldn't set it in the 40K universe. Too much baggage.

>>7292554

I'm pretty sure it's older canon that briefings are hypnotherapy, yes. Still, my point was that once you're deployed and possibly cut off from all chapter support for months of time if you're working in less than ideal conditions (not every Space Marine deployment is a lightning strike against command elements to remove the head of the snake, followed by a perfectly-executed evac by Thunderhawk. Sometimes, they're required to hunt their target because there are no Assassins available in the sector and they can't afford to wait; sometimes, they need to strike without the possibility of support because time is of the essence), it's not possible to "top-up" the hypnotherapy.

>>7292551

The tragedy of 40k's grimdark is that the CSM are really the good guys, at least in their original intentions, but they've been corrupted by their humanity and if they win, the universe will destroy itself in the grip of the Ruinous Powers.

>>7292590
> I think that's going too far towards making them generic power armored soldiers, but something of a balance would be nice.

Camo is pretty damn useful, and it's in the Codex Astartes. The entire "do not defile the colours of our chapter" angle came after GW reimagined SM as space-monk-knights with FIGHTAN HONOR.

The whole point of the Codex Astartes and SM is that they will use whatever tactic is most appropriate to the situation. If the situation requires them to repaint their armour in camo patterns to minimise casualties, they will do that. If the situation requires them to wear garish colours and shout war-cries at the top of their lungs to scare the living daylights out of the enemy, they will also do that.

>>7292639
This brings up a point - Marines would never take the helmets or armour off, unless necessity dictated (like eating, possibly, or maintenance). They need to interact with it and its systems (like the helmet's HUD and the Black Carapace interface) like it's part of their body, and the best way to do that is to actually treat it as a part of their body - live with it.

>>7292641
I think they should be heroes, yes, but it should come at a terrible cost. Being a marine should be horrible enough that only the truly righteous (or the utterly mindfucked) can endure.

>>7292662
The whole point is that they're heroes, but to become heroes, they give up everything. They aren't human anymore. They aren't even themselves. They have no thought beyond combat. They'r eheroes because they're made incapable of NOT being heroes. That is why 40k is so damn grimdark.

While we're at it, here's a link to an overly-dramatic rendition of the Horus Heresy as it was in the old canon: >>7292591

I posted it in a neighbouring thread, but they've descended into arguing whether recruiting tribal people from death worlds is a stupid idea or not.

>>7292664
Still, Gaow? is a fucking namefag fuck.

>>7292658
How's this sound for a scene:

A marine is lying, unconscious, in the depths of the under-hive. He is presumed dead by the chapter, another casualty in the war against chaos. A pale young underhive girl starts picking off his armor as salvage.

He wakes up in the middle of it.

>>7292669
That's the best part about the Heresy. It's what sets it apart from ther sci-fi 'student betrays the baster' esque rebellions. it wasn't for any sound reason, but because, for all their superhuman abilities and godlike psychic powers, the Primarchs were still all to human.

>>7292684

>Little girl starts picking off the armor as salvage

Your little girls must be some really goddamn buff motherfuckers. Also, HERESY!

>>7292684
She would be so dead it wouldn't even be funny.

>>7292684
Dude, you can't just get Power Armour off man.

If you don't have the genetic fingerprint of a Space Marine, the suit will go all like "KILL YOU MOTHERFUCKER" and shoot you with gas.

>>7292684 A marine is lying, unconscious, in the depths of the under-hive. He is presumed dead by the chapter, another casualty in the war against chaos. A pale young underhive girl starts picking off his armor as salvage. He wakes up in the middle of it.

And proceeds to grab her by the throat and snap it? If not almost throttle her. He was just in a battle, suddenly woke up and now finds someone disarming him as you would a POW... his first reaction is not "Um... hello?"

>>7292684

The chapter would try to obtain the corpse. It has precious geneseed and equipment. Also it could fall into the hands of HERESY

>>7292684
First of all she can't take his armour off.

Second, nothing happens. Girl doesn't register as a thread.

Hey Russ, you know the codex says the Smurfs are more ferocious and zealous than your guys, right?

>>7292704
Best part is, he'd slaughter her (in the most efficient way possible at the time, of course), and he'd only start to realise that he wasn't supposed to after he's been stuck of weeks and the conditioning is breaking down and he can actually think about and examine the reactions people are having to his actions.

What he'd do with that realisation is another thing entirely.

>implying they would leave power armour laying around

>implying that a girl with the WRONG FUCKING GENETIC KEY can take off power armour

>implying that the space marine hasn't noticed the hours of being passed out in his subconcious hardware-wetware interface.

>>7292703
Yeah, probably. It's not impossible she's lost a few friends to just these kinds of defenses. I assume she's got the tools and know-how to do the job. It's the underhive. Heresy reigns.

>>7292704
He's still pretty fucked up from his injuries. So, while he's in the throttling mood, the flesh is weak.

>>7292710
Oh, yeah, the chapter is coming for him. Shame they have to deal with the thing Marines are very poorly equipped to deal with - people they can't (or shouldn't) just shoot.

What is this dumb shit?

Space Marine wakes up. There's a little girl on top of him, touching the armour.

He brushes her aside, and stand up.

"Stand aside, Imperial citizen. All is well. Go see your parents."
"Do your parents have weapons? I appear to be out of ammuntion."

>>7292669

This is why I fell in love with 40k all the way back then, Anon.

This, and not stupid stories about space knights and their honour in canary-yellow armour who conquer and hold entire galactic sectors on their own because anything more complicated is too much for the twelve-year-olds to understand.

Thanks to you and the OP of this thread for reminding me of that stuff. I know it's a day late, but merry Christmas anyway, /tg/.

Thread Archived for great justice (and grimdark marines for once)

>>7292733
>Yeah, probably. It's not impossible she's lost a few friends to just these kinds of defenses. I assume she's got the tools and know-how to do the job. It's the underhive. Heresy reigns.

Stop being a stupid cunt.

You're implying a little girl is going to use a fucking MELTATOOL to cut off the armour from a Space Marine?

Who the fuck are you? Goto?

>>7292733

No... just no. Some underhive leetle girl does not fucking know how to remove a POWER ARMOR. Much less has the strenght to do it. This is retarded and you should feel retarded.

>>7292746
I've been found out! It is I, C.S. Goto.

>MULTILASERS FOR EVERYONE

But seriously, I'm just spitballing. I had more of a cute hive scum with some heretek leanings in mind than your little sister, but okay.

The little girl not dying immediately is a fucking stupid idea, and the kind of 'artistic license' with the fluff that resulted in marines being made into crusading knights in space. This isn't LCB, this is a goddamn Space Marine.

>>7292758 cute hive scum

Okay, stop right there. Please.

>>7292767
Sure. Can you think a better way for a marine to get isolated and disarmed? I'd prefer him to be in sort of a morally dubious situation when the conditioning starts to crack.

>>7292758
My Weaboo alarm just burst my eardrum.

>>7292684
He completely dominates her asshole with his big Space Marine cock.

>>7292778
The conditioning wouldn't crack for some cute little girl. He doesn't even know what cute means. The conditioning would start to crack after a few weeks of being in situations where he has to be flexible with the words and doctrines of the Codex Astartes.

>>7292794
Looking at Chaos architecture for example.

Tl;dr: marines are Rambo.

>>7292778

Fighting in underhive. Hivequake. Falls. Lost. Wanders until the suits power begins to wane, living off stuff that humans simply won't (even human remains). Has to abandon/store it when the powercell begins to wind down, and so you've got a 'naked' Astartes wandering the underhive with scavenged gear slowly regaining his humanity.

There is no need for little girls to rescue him.

>>7292778
The girl was good for the impact her immediate and grisly death would have on the READER, not the damn Marine. It'd show us exactly how inhuman he is to start with.

>>7292794
The cute girl was an (admittedly weeaboo and self-indulgent) example. It seems to me that his biggest problem would be non-combat situations.

I mean, the guy is a living engine of war. Without the chapter making sure he's alway in battle, could he cope with even a week of everyday life? A week off?

>>7292803
Problem. Astartes Power armour has a fission reactor in the backpack that's good for a few millennia.

>>7292803

He's got a nuclear power plant on his back.

Shit won't run out in the first few hundred years.

>>7292819
>>7292810

It could be damaged? In b4 atomic explosion.

Also, according to Forge World, that think only has about a month's power - not my shit here guys.

>>7292803
>Wanders until the suits power begins to wane

How long did he lie in that hole?

100 years or what? FUCKING FUSION REACTOR!

>>7292819
Could we invoke some kind of battle damage?

I could see a Chaos Marine deliberately damaging the poor battle-brother's armor in such a way that it turns against him, and then leave him to be eaten by the things in the (tainted) underhive.

>>7292826
I think you mean their armor can only supply them with food for a month or two.

>>7292826
Forgeworld's specs are massively off every time they've written them. They go with what sounds good rather than doing any research.

>>7292808
He'd live like Rambo in First Blood. Gather weapons. Establish communications with loyalist forces.

>>7292826

Imperial Armour, Taros book: "when fully charged should be enough to last a month (with all non-vital systems disabled) without need of maintenance".

Page 48. So... yeah.

>>7292826
Too contrived.

The point is that he's still a goddamn space marine, but his head is a dozen different kinds of fucked. He's almost impervious to damage, has a gun that, while having limited ammo, is pretty much a one-hit-kill on whatever the hell he points it at, and has all the other advantages of the Astartes. Except his mindset is slipping.

>>7292861
see
>>7292849

>>7292870

It surely depends on how much energy the suit needs? I think saying power has an operational life of centuries is a bit more daft than not.

Mind you I also think its stupid GW thinks a Space Marine would need to eat less than a normal human...

>>7292867
War against what? I thought the point was that there was nothing to fight, and that's part of what cracked his head open. I can totally see him gathering weapons and preparing for a battle that's not coming, though.

>>7292857
So is he still in a combat situation, or what? I can't imagine that Marines aren't designed with being lost behind enemy lines in mind, so I doubt that this alone would make him fall apart.

ITT: 40 fans circle jerking to sweaty, muscular future soldiers

>>7292885
It's a nuclear fusion reactor. Do you have any idea how much power nuclear fusion produces?

If we could get it to work today, just using deuterium from seawater, we'd have enough energy to power the world for 150 billion years.

>>7292887
Dude, Shrike of the Raven Guard lived 50 years behind enemy lines ORK LINES without supplies, along with his squad.

Space Marines have left-4-dead policies built in. I'm not saying that every Marine can hold it out 50 years in a warzone, but it sure is something to think about.

>>7292887
Regardless of if he's in a combat situation or not, he'd think he was. He knows no situation that isn't a combat situation, apart from his chapter's fortress and vessels.

You're trying to make this into a buddy flick, or worse, an anime. Stop it. You're thinking too simplistically, and trying to mold the characters to fit the story, rather than the other way around.

>>7292896

Its also the size of a gas tank, at most. I don't claim to be an expert but I don't see a fusion reactor of that size having the output of a power plant building.

Also, 40K never refers to it as such. All data says it contains an "stacked atomic core".

>>7292895
You're mad?

>>7292903
Right. I have no doubt he could survive as long as he had things to kill. It's why I think plunging him into a total noncombat scenario is the best way to get the psychological disintegration we want.

>>7292913
It's been referred to as a fusion reactor before. I can't find source (and I'm not going to look, since I have work in half an hour), but hey, this is the internet. You aren't a real person anyway.

>>7292913
That thing has a life of 100 years.

That's imperative because many space marines get stuck behind enemy lines for like 10 years or what. Some 20 years.

Shrike even was 50 years behind enemy lines.

>>7292903

Re: hypnotherapy degrading, the lack of it can probably be explained away by the presence of a commanding officer capable of keeping his squad together.

Anyway, with regards to our wandering space marine: a damaged power suit would work as an explanation. After all, they've lost the knowledge of how these things work; they just do everything by rote. If there's a rare problem with the suit and the generator's safety protocols kick in, one lone battle brother won't know how to fix it - that's something for the Techmarine to do.

He's not disintegrating because he has nothing to kill. He's disintegrating because he has to start thinking for himself, and that starts all sorts of problems up in his head.

>>7292917

No, just annoyed. Seriously, how often do 40ktards need to reaffirm that, yes, its orky. Yes, its heresy. Yes, its for the Emperor.

We know, we get it. Really.

Its like the 5 year old on the bus that wont shut up.

Most badass powerarmoured fighting force in the universe, that drop from orbit after hypnotherapy conditioning using the best weaponry around, hit hard and fast and disappear to the next conflict.

Sure is MI in here, and I love it.

But most of you probably knew that already.

Speaking of nothing, is there any fluff on the 'Men of Iron' in the dark ages that made thinking machines heresy?

>>7292935
You haven't read the thread, have you?

>>7292912
I agree that he would probably hurt a lot of (mostly) innocent people and that the whole thing would be an an awful bloody stain on the history of the chapter.

I do not have fucking space marines doing dishes on the brain here. I may be imagining the people he encounters to be sweeter and more sympathetic than they probably would be, but only so it's more compelling when he can't fucking cope.

>>7292922
No non-combat situation would harm him?

How so?

"Dear diary. No hostiles detected in a range of 3000 miles. All is well. Today I shall hunt a grobsnakka. I saw the duel of the two males in the swamp yesterday, and the strange physique of these animals will make an interesting hunt. I do hope their flesh is edible. The flesh of gyrazian crocodiles is getting boring."

It would be like heaven. Wake up, inspect weapons, train, pray to the Emperor, hunt for food, sleep.

>>7292943
This is the Imperium. The people he meets would be fucking terrified, and would probably treat him like the Emperor's avenging angel just to try to get him to not kill them.

>>7292935
Clearly you don't get it, because a very important part of "it" is reiterating "it" at every opportunity.

>>7292952

He'll be idle. What grows from idleness?!

>>7292952
Except he's in a hive, and he's got to try to work out which targets are hostile and which are friendly for the first time in his life.

>>7292952
Well, at least in the scenario I envisioned, he's being forced to interact with people. And his entire range of emotional expression amounts to "Stand aside, citizen, that the Emperor's will be done." Which, as time goes on and nobody comes to extract him, becomes harder and harder to maintain.

I mean the whole thing is kinda stupid, I just love breaking things as perfectly designed as the Astartes (at least as redefined by OP).

>>7292962
>and he's got to try to work out which targets are hostile and which are friendly for the first time in his life.

Dude. Hive city search-and-destroy missions. Space Hulk entry. Restoring Imperial rule on hijacked ships.

Space Marines are capable of operating in a warzone with civilians nearby.

Are you stupid or what?

>>7292956

Or just run from the terrible ten foot tall metal murderer from the stars.

It wouldn't surprise me if people, from the underhive especially, wouldn't even realise it is a marine. I mean, even if they actually do figure in some propaganda posters/religious depictions/memorials what are the odds the underhiver has seen it and makes the connection?

>>7292974
In all fairness, they do seem to have feelings and stuff, they just turn them off as soon as they actually get down to business. Hell, not even then, they get mad and shit, they just compartmentalize it all.
Now Grey Knights, THOSE guys are just necrons with a fresh coat of paint, they've got about as much soul as the storm bolters they carry.
Ironically, in 40k guns frequently have souls. So I don't know what to tell you.

>>7292979
They would probably worship him, bring him weapons and food.

Listen to his words.

Colonel Curtz.

>>7292983
Grey Knights are inhuman to the point where this would never work - and they're so valuable that if one was unaccounted for, the Inquisition would tear the hive apart, brick by brick.

Normal people get killed just for looking at Grey Knights.

>>7292987
That's a good initial reaction. How does our Marine respond? What happens when a (very, very stupid) hive gang decides to try and steal his bolter? I mean, besides the obvious. Can the Marine distinguish between his "innocent" worshipers and the gangers? I think he's so fucked in the head, he can't.

>>7292978
No, although you do seem to have difficulty reading anything but the most basic interpretation of anything.

He has no mission. In a search and destroy mission, he has very clearly defined lines between hostiles and noncombatants. Now, he's having to adjust that on the fly.

Also, who the fuck uses Space Marines to quell some ship hijacker? That's a job for the Guard, at most.

>>7292943
>awful bloody stain on the history of the chapter

Weeding out the weak is a favour to the Imperium. Unless his actions resulted in the loss of something important, killing civilians isn't a stain on anything except the ground.

>>7293008
The genetic fingerprint kicks in.

A lot of dead gangers covered in special mustard gas from Cathachan.

Or.

A giant shockwave of 200000 volts.

Your call.

The Space Marine simply follows the tracker in his gun, and feeds the gangers to his Giovezian wolf-dog.

>>7292987

In time maybe, but the initial reaction would be like seeing a tank of unknown design roll down your street. You probably don't stand around in awe, you leg it.

Also the marine lost in a hive would probably only interact with people as a last resort. I reckon he'd use his sensors and maps and whatever's uploaded to start getting out of there, provided he doesn't have a mission, if he does he'd finish that with extreme prejudice first. Get lost my ass, he'd walk out like nothing, and if a ganger pulls a gun on him it'd be like swatting a fly.

A marine would determine any thing not predefined as friendly as hostile/irrelevant depending on the targets capability.

>>7293014
You don't know how a hostage situation works do you?

You don't send the fucking army.

Either you send the anti-terror squad (Arbites) or you send the SF (Space Marines).

>>7293014
>A marine would determine any thing not predefined as friendly as hostile/irrelevant depending on the targets capability.

There you have it.

>>7293027
The Guard have the special forces. The Marines are used in mission one step down from the ones you send in the Assassinorum for. or one step up, depending on scale.

>He has no mission. In a search and destroy mission, he has very clearly defined lines between hostiles and noncombatants. Now, he's having to adjust that on the fly.


Are you dumb or what?

Does it have a weapon? Hostile. Does it not have a weapon? Not hostile.

He thinks and reacts faster than humans so that tactic can be used the entire time, unless he runs into Eldar.

Keep in mind that a marine without his armour is still vulnerable to conventional weapons - not autoguns, but enough lasguns or bolters will do him in, as would heavy weapons.

>>7293027
The Guard has Stormtroopers

>>7292489

you've just sucessfulled missed the point of warhammer

>>7293019
So the ganger that tries to steal the Bolter gets gassed/fried. It's machine spirit alerts our marine that someone is trying to steal his equipment. I propose that the marine is so geared for combat situations that he creates some criteria for what hivers are his enemies and what hivers aren't, and goes back to doing what he does best. But something feels off...

>>7293044
Did you just seriously call BOLTWEAPONS conventional weapons?

>>7293014

Adjust? Hell no, he'd go on the very same parameters until he got out of there. He wouldn't readjust, if he's done with the mission its extract. If he is in a hive then there are ways off the planet, and there are friendlies in the uphive.

>>7293051

They're small arms in 40k. They're rarer than lasweapons due to being harder to produce and maintain, but they';re still one of the few techs that the Imperium has actually mastered.

So yes, bolters are conventional weapons.

>>7293046
>suggesting the point of 40k is Captain America in space against the comic book supervillains
>trollface.jpg

to everyone in this thread, please read roguetrader and look up some pics bout the eightiesmarines

A bolter is conventional, a las is by modern day standards not conventional.

A bolter is just a big automatic grenade launcher. Or a small automatic rocket launcher.

>>7292803
>powercell
I think you mean 'fusion reactor'.

>>7293066

it is

its an over the top parody setting, hueg charges, melee weapons, powerfists, last stands and shit

>>7293068
You mean when they were dumpy fatguys and half the pictures were of them dying?

>>7293024
>You probably don't stand around in awe, you leg it.
Pobably not. Space Marines are legendary and an important part of Iperial propaganda. People would do whatever they oculd to help. Fuck, Imperial Citizens have such a boner for Spess Mehreens that even Chaos Space marines can sometimes count on support fro Imperials who don't know the difference between one kind of skull-covered killing machine and another.

>>7293091

And they had awesome beakie helmets, and when they were actual soldiers and armor and pretty much behaved like marines from another setting. Yes, they were swearing and drinking.

Your dungeon floor is lumpy. Order your minions to jump up and down.

>>7292896
They're building a fusion reactor in southern france now. It'll be operational in a few years.

>>7293096
>pretty much behaved like marines from another setting
Exciting.

>>7293102
Keeper, your dungeon is full of yoghurt.

>>7293093
>Fuck, Imperial Citizens have such a boner for Spess Mehreens that even Chaos Space marines can sometimes count on support fro Imperials who don't know the difference between one kind of skull-covered killing machine and another.

"Please mister Space Marine. Have this apple pie."
"Oh yes, why thank you little girl. This pleaaases... me.."

>>7293096
>and pretty much behaved like marines from another setting.

How original.

>>7293076
It's not Captain America in space, though, because it's British. We don't work like that. The idea that there would be one super-awesome kind-to-his-mother Lawful Good poster child striding around righting every wrong and inspiring every child just doesn't mesh with our world view very well; as a country, we seem to prefer the "Everyone is a bastard (but this guy is better at it)" angle.
See: Judge Dredd. 40k is also an excellent example of this due to literally everyone being a bastard.

>>7293118
In the grim darknes of the 41st millenium, everyone is born out of wedlock.

>>7293123
Think about it. Have you ever heard of the Ministorum performing wedding ceremonies ANYWHERE in the fluff?

Bastards to a man.

>>7293093

On an imperial world maybe.

What I'm saying is most uneducated underhivers cant tell the resemblance between something they saw on a poster some time ago, or a shitty rendering on some stained glass windows and the thing that just crushed the old abandoned shopping mall down the street.

Even if they did make the connection, it is still like standing before an invading tank rolling down the street. Anything short of seeing a spacemarine in a parade is seeing one in a warzone, and after the first few people trying to run up to him and grovel at his feet got shot to hell, you'd go from worship to run and hide.

A marine would NEVER build himself a cult in the underhive, or anywhere. If he had to stay anywhere, civilized or not it'd be in a high grade military facility or secluded and hidden away from everyone. Preferably both.

To some space marines are knights in space.

To others space marines are big dumb marines in space.

To me... they are the special forces. Special forces on a galactic battlefield. Outnumbered, outgunned. But that doesn't matter.

They fight best in the shade. They strike from the darkness, like a ray of light. And when the light dies in the red of blood, they spear away, to the next battle.

To strike next, where there is no armour, deep where it hurts.

You know, there's probably something in the Codex Astartes for what to do if trapped away from enemy support. Why do you assume that this marine will just be in the lower reaches of the hive all the time. The answer is obvious. First, he goes up the hive to the local Administratum presence, then he orders them to call his chapter, then he waits patiently to get picked up. A space marine being "stranded" on a hive world is a ludicrous concept.

>>7293096
And these were the Orks.

>>7293109

One of your imps does a great impression of you. He can even do the ears.

>>7293132
My next RT campaign.

Inquisitor has contacted a sole Space Marine behind enemy lines.

He has assembles and trained local militia after a single assassination spree that killed 45 local warlords.

He is preparing to access the sewers in order to reach 320 loyalist nobles holed up in a save room in the Uper Hive.

PC's task to take care of some distraction for the militia.

The Inquisition has provided you with a disguised merchant ship, with a "throwaway" weapon to cause some damage, and a drop pod launcher to enter right in the fray.

>>7293202
>and a drop pod launcher to enter right in the fray.

Normal people can't take drop pods. The acceleration and impact are too much for a regular human body to survive.

>>7293211
...shit.

Yup. Just give them Grav-Chutes instead; they're perfectly safe for normal humans and work like more reliable parachutes.

>>7292733
>I assume she's got the tools and know-how to do the job. It's the underhive. Heresy reigns.

Considering that most people in the Hive don't even know how a light switch works I find this improbable. A Smurfs Power Armour is a complicated piece of technology that no all that many people really understand any more, and I think it's supposed to be grafted onto his skin or something like that. The only bits she could remove would be his helmet, backpack, gear, and MASSIVE PAULDRONS. Though I think the helmet alone would be enough to crush her

>>7292835
The Under Hive's a big place. It's easy to get lost down there, there's rarely any accurate maps of such places. Though most Chapters would go to hell and back for even a single of there brothers.

But if a space marine did get lost all he has to do is find a single imperial agent (Administratum, Arbites, planetary Governor) and they'd contact his chapter; who'll probably dispatch a frigate with a human crew to retrieve him, then they'd kick his ass for getting lost.

That is assuming his Chapter still exists...

>>7293316
Though I have to wonder what would happen if he got lost on a world where there is no imperial presence. Maybe he goes to a heretical world to kill it's overlord, and they kill him and his dudes; but all of them die in the process. So it's just him, a bunch a fuckwit nor imperials, and a bunch of his dead battle brothers.

He'd probably try to convert the locals or get them to help him build something to contact any rogue traders. Though without an astropath he'd probably have to wait for the chapter to notice his absence and send someone to retrieve him, which could take a while (chapters being spread out as they often are, and warp travel taking some time).

What he did in the meantime to survive might make for some interesting fiction.

>>7293217

He's just making shit up.