OK, a quick update.

I've been reading everything posted here, and the threads I catch on the 4c. It's impressive the stuff you guys are contributing, keep it up! I consider everything, no matter how small.

Here are some ideas that really stood out to me:

Providing 'official' papercraft of some kind in the codexes. That to me is a great idea, I wish I knew who suggested it. It will give players some idea of what we see in their heads, an option to use for games, but still completely optional for them to use. That level of user-friendly open endedness is great!

Dice Mechanics: D6. Everyone has them, so everyone can use them. No fancy D10s or what not, so I'll try to keep everything D6 based.

Construction Guide: I like this, the option to let users customize a force is great. I don't think it will be too difficult, and I can't prevent abuse with a simple paragraph in the main book, something along the lines of "If you want to use it in a game, by all means field a custom force, providing your opponent agrees" With luck, it will self regulate, like battletech, to prevent abuse.

Fluff for the factions: I'm very happy with the work done so far, I'll be providing more framework soon. I'm creating units for the human factions right now, and so far there hasn't been any difficulty ensuring that each plays differently and has its own flavour.

What I'll be working on soon: How to get Aliens/Xenos into the fluff, a driving force for conflict as well. Figuring out the tropes for factions. Building the units for alien factions. Playtesting the human factions (Looking to do this within two weeks, I'll hopefully have a beta package for you to try out)

Force Organizations! I am working on that, along with the troops. The Afrindians or whatever we end up calling them, for example, will have big squads, but no ability to really split them. (They also tend to be poor quality troops)

I'm thinking about specifying what elements need to be in a Platoon, but I'll get to that when I have final point balance numbers for all the different squads and such.

Faction: United Terran Commonwealth
Primary Background Composition: Europe, most Western Nations
Space Colonization: Minimal. Justifying the expense of Space Colonization was a pointless exercise, as most of the the component nations were quite well off on Earth. Several Colonies exist, and are being developed to ensure a foothold in Space, but pale in scope and size when seen against the colonization efforts of the remaining human factions.
Power Projection: Extremely powerful, the UTC maintains a significant advantage in technology over the other human factions by virtue of it's relatively stable growth period and large industrial base on Terra.
Government: Democracy, Central. The UTC is tied heavily to Earth, Colonies are simply extensions of Earth Power.

Faction: Greater Sino Empire
Primary Background: China, many Eastern Nations
Space Colonization: Moderate. Expansion was planned, and heavily controlled. Colonies are large, and while not omnipresent, sufficient in number to worry the UTC. The GSE expanded into the cosmos in part to ensure a stronger future by virtue of resource discovery rights, and expanded arable and habitable land.
Power Projection: Strong. The GSE has numerous fortified holdings throughout nearby systems to Sol. They maintain a strong industrial base, but cannot match UTC technology or training. They compensate through the use of skirmish tactics, favoring hard hitting strikes coupled with fast withdrawal and mobility, which have proved alarmingly effective.
Government: Democracy, Dispersed, Weak Central Command. Due to the expansionist nature of the GSE, colonies are generally more self-governing than the UTC, and while central command exists, it's power is more in a strategic theatre, rarely does Central interject in local affairs.

Faction: Free States Collective
Primary Background: India, South America, Africa
Space Colonization: Heavy. The FSC embraced Space Colonization with a gusto. There expansion is rapid and haphazard, and as a result they occupy a large number of small colonies. Many people in the FSC left Terra looking for something better. A promise of 20 acres or more per person on new worlds was not uncommon, and volunteers lined up by the millions for the colony missions.
Power Projection: Limited. Despite their widespread colonies, most are less developed than GSE ones, so while there are more FSC colonies, their power is greatly dispersed, unlike the more focused GSE and the concentrated UTC. A secondary result of the rush to the stars is the return of the class system. While there is no slavery, some FSC members are given more rights in terms of leadership and command positions. This return to the class system was birthed from the need to develop a specific leading class to help guide the mad rush to the colonies from Old Earth. In terms of military power, the FSC relies on large numbers of lower class troops, and hard cadres of elite officers and soldiers to put steel in the spine of the FSC military.
Government: Class Oligarchy/Anarchy. There is very little central control in the FSC, most segments and colonies operate self-sufficiently (in some cases barely) and government is left to local authorities. The FSC can act as a unified body, in theory, however, other than the initial exodus from earth, this display of shared vision has yet to be seen again.

How about a race of dinosaur warriors who were abducted and genetically altered by aliens long ago from the ones that used to rule the earth?

Some thoughts:
Russia goes in UTC
America could potentially go in all three, although FSC seems least likely.
There is no 'national identity', race interbreeding means that you can have Whites and Blacks in the GSE, etc. The starting nations are more just where the initial cultural motivations came from, one can still find old earth nation traditions in all three major factions.
Some new stuff I've been messing around with.

The UTC or whatever I end up calling them uses durable hard hitting material, and has a solid infantry with better than average material. They favour kinetic weaponry and traditional propulsion backed up by advanced targeting and heavy armour.

The GSE on the other hand has pioneered fast attack. They operate hover and grav systems on their vehicles. Their infantry is likewise composed of significant numbers of jump capable troops and light powered armour. They use some kinetic but mostly prefer new energy weapons. They can hit hard, but do not have a strong defensive ability on their vehicles, relying instead on speed to avoid taking fire in the first place. Troop quality is average, and personal armour is basic compared to the UTC troopers average protection.

To expand a bit further, the UTC wields a hammer, to the GSE's scalpel. The UTC is also a big tech proponent, so when i talk about kinetic, I'm thinking railguns and what not. Their officer corps is decent, but the true strength comes from the general grunts pretty decent abilities, which are superior to the trooper unit from any other human faction. The downside is this training is expensive, so fielding large groups of them can be prohibitive.

The Africa/India/Third World group will of course have large (12 man) squads, but will suffer from being poorly trained and having sub par equipment (Average by today's standards though, so don't think sticks and stones) They benefit from cheap tricks, mines, that sort of thing. Their vehicles pack traditional weaponry on mobile platforms (wheeled) that can move about the battlefield with good speed, while being cheap to operate and maintain. They also (and this is being worked on) will have some form of mounted cavalry. The best part is the leadership caste/cadre, which operates in heavy power armour, and is probably superior to any other human faction unit in terms of training and experience. They're rare, but they're obscenely powerful, and provide the backbone to the standard, near milita quality of the basic FSC trooper.

There have been a lot of questions about look and feel.
I've been trying to answer that and here is my preliminary thoughts on vehicle design between the three factions we're working on at the moment.
The UTC has been around for a while, it is arguably the oldest of the Human Factions, and has a very defensive oriented mindset. The vehicles are lumbering, and have faceted armoured cowlings, which look almost like a mixture of concrete/steel/carbonceramics. They favour gray, or sandygreen colours on them as well. They look intimidating, like unstoppable beasts of war, but slow/ponderous.

The GSE on the otherhand, has many exposed fittings, and at times, an almost 'bolted on' look to their high technology. Grav plates that are actual plates on hydraulic rams that extend from a vehicle, exposed cables to power lasers and systems, roll cages on hovercraft, etc. They're built to be light and fast, and look the part. They're still undeniably 'solid' but more of a dunebuggy sort of look than a hummer, again, exposed machinery style.

Too late

And that is all I've seen today.

So the project is three days old now, and I think going along quite nicely. We've had some artists offer to do some work for us, and lots of writers. The lead guy has been really nice in answering my PMs, and seems to have his head on straight, which I like.

Currently the focus is on the three human factions but expansions out into alien factions is planned once the three Human sides are hammered out.

This sounds awesome! When do we get rules?

Alien Suns is a cool name for this game

>>10521264
Alien Suns
Dropstrike
Splinter War
Proxima Gambit

>>10521209
Last we heard it was 2 weeks.

Hate to detract from the collaborative work being done in this thread but is OPs pic from clickytech? it seems familiar.......too familiar

>>10521454
Op, yes, it is from Dorkage.

>>10521479
About the only good thing that came out of clicky tech were some of the vehicle designs.

>>10521343
NOT SOON ENOUGH!

MWDA fucked up several classic BT tanks immeasurably. If Catalyst had a pair, they'd say "this stupid shit is retconned."

>>10521479
Dorkage?!....i keep forgetting that the vehicle designs had merit.....good job with your alternative to 40k engineering...variety is the spice of life

>>10521611
Not my idea, the guy who kick started it is pretty cool though. He seems like a big casual style player, loves tons of games, and has played even more of them.

I'd pay to help you guys out.

>>10521722
seconded...how does anon help?

>>10521749
>>10521722
We have a section to ourselves on this forum:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/PlanesAndMercs/forum/1617331/

The guy running it isn't taking donations (money) and doesn't seem to want to either, I offered as well. He is looking for creative ideas and fluff writers though, and artists as well.

>>10521790
well that makes me borderline useless

>>10521874
You can volunteer as a playtester.

>>10521906
I plan to. What scale is this? 28mm? Can we use our 40k models?

>>10521906
>everythingwentbetterthanexpected.jpg

>>10522061
15mm or 28mm, Ranges for both.

>>10522540
Dammit, I don't want to wait for two weeks!

I'll write some fluff!

How is this an alternative to 40k?

I approve of this endeavour!

>>10523637
its not

they just tag the name to drag in 40k players. thats like saying Stargrunt is an alternative to 40k or AT43

Moose is this game. Ship is 40k.

>>10523767
How is this game NOT an alternative to 40k?

>>10520878

Oh my god its this faggot again. How about instead of bitching on /tg/ you actually go make whatever the fuck it is your bitching you're gonna do.

Not OP.

Faction: Terran Liberation Front

Background: Assorted.

Space Colonization: None existent. To a point anyways. They have no colonies of their own, only those they have taken by force. The TLF thrives in situations where Guerilla Warfare can be liberally applied, and commit acts of subterfuge by spreading propaganda for their cause anywhere their operatives take root. Specializing in camoflauge, and ambush tactics, with a propensity for highly motivated adaptable troops, once the TLF arrive in force, it is difficult to get rid of them entirely.

Their equipment ranges from bad to good, most of their 'recruits' are civilian in origin, but many are also deserters, or soldiers who were discharged.

The leadership of the TLF is an enigma, even high ranking TLF officers that are interrogated have no idea where their orders come from exactly, but the end goal that the TLF strives for is a united human civilization, even if the means of acquiring it involve the slaughter of all opponents.

>>10523844
>>10523767
samefag

loose communication

FACTIONS EVERYWHERE

Man is this game.

Bull is 40kids.

>>10523921
this is both IRL

>>10523878
wait a fucking minute

>>10521264
YOU! you're stealing from wargames factory!

I like Humans.

>>10523876
>>10520878

Samefuckingretardedfag
You fucking idiot how about you use that grey thing inbetween your ears for a second and think. Our posts are not even related to each other nor do they look they were created by the same person. I was denouncing the OP as a dipshit while the other guy was merely saying this game is not a rip off of 40k. So one post is derogatory and one post isn't why the fuck would you think they were the same person who made them? Actually I can answer that, its because you are fucking stupid and you can't even realize when someone is defending your shit retarded little "project" because your butthurt your a broke faggot and can't buy 40k miniatures. fucking pathetic.

>>10524043
>>10524043
Looks like someone is up past their bedtime.

>>10524062

You shut the fuck up you little bitch. I'm tired of these summerfags, you included, coming in and fucking turning /tg/ to shit.

>>10524096
Says the 40kid shitting up the thread.

meh theres rules a plenty but one more wont hurt I suppose

http://www.miniaturewargaming.com/index.php/mwg/category/Rules%20Sci%20Fi/

I'll read up and see what I can do.

Try as I might, no one seems to have any VOR scans.

Does... does anyone have VOR scans?

>>10524024
I like the Joust, solid looking tank.

>>10524151
thats a lot

then again typing free sci fi wargame does bring up a shit ton of links

>>10524164
what scans?

>>10524122
Oh thats so smart man. You put "ids" infront of 40k so you can call everyone who doesn't put up with your retarded shit a child. How long did it take for you to make that one up? Did you have to write it down using a crayon so you wouldn't forget that little joke the moment you made it?

Need any help?

protip OP

dont say 40k. just say "Free Modular Sci Fi Wargame Rules"

>>10524201
>Oh thats so smart man. You put "ids" infront of 40k

Actually, I put it behind it. Might want to work on that reading comprehension...

>>10520951

this feels like brazilian colonial history in space

sort of makes me both happy and sad

>>10524225
I'm amazed at how much rage the "alt to 40k" title generates, everytime...

I love the idiots on both sides

>>10524242
Why Sad?

>>10524248
thats becuase you want to TROLL

Everyone gets bitten with the trolling disease

FIGHT IT MAN

>>10524043
>shit retarded little "project" because your butthurt your a broke faggot and can't buy 40k miniatures. fucking pathetic.
Someone is mad.

>>10524260
same

it amuses me

>>10523844

inb4 poorfags.jpg

>>10524281
are you kidding?

trolling 4chan is fun

I managed to ignite a religion war. too damn easy

Huh, arguing again...

Anyway, almost finished the UTC list, working on the GSE at the moment.

>>10524441
its dem kids..... and thier summer....i know since all the boards are experiencing thier faggotry....../x/ is peaceful tho....havent seen her this happy in a long time

>>10524441
Any inspirations on the alien factions?

>>10524276

because one of the main reasons why Brazil failures as a country are rooted in the colonial mentality that is still among the population

the colonialism led to many social and political issues, specially regarding plantation system, political and government corruption and weak private and public respect to property

plus the abusive government and social apathy regarding national issues

so the sad thing is those nations of the FSC are going to have a rough future

>>10524499
I'm actually thinking of having two factions for one alien race, that's as much as I want to say until I've developed it further. I find it odd that there's no splits between members of a given race in most Sci-Fi. To assume that all aliens work for the good of their race seems silly to me, so I'm trying this out, also might help with explaining the number of 'factions' if there aren't a ton of races but lots of style divides.

>>10524499

not OP but I always had some interest in starship troopers(book) bugs alien type

hive mind with a little on individual thought and able to develop its own tech

as for the human factions I think USA and Canada would be more fitting in UTC, or at least making an anglosphere alliance

also United Terran Federation sounds better than Commonwealth

>>10524564
District 9, one still being imperialistic and the other being closer to the movie, with disorganized but very social aliens?

need more power armor

UTF? I actually preferred that originally, but I remembered Starship troopers and didn't want to draw too many allusions to that.

Trying to find a non-silly name is quite annoying, UTC or UTF, either way I like it, has a strong feel to it, which is what I'm hoping to have for that faction.

>>10524765

United Earth Government ! has a nice ring and I don't recall many games, books or movies with UEG

or Earth Authority

Found this, thinking FSC, maybe GSE, not sure yet.

>>10524832
GSE

FSC uses those south african truck-likes that are used for riot vehicles down here in south america

>>10524828
Earth Gov,

Babylon Five ;) Everything's probably been done before.

UTC infantry !

>>10524854
casspirs.

>>10524881
SUPERTECHNICAL

So the ones that call down artillery missions are the UTC or the GSE?

>>10524858

crap, also the Alien Marines also had nice faction terminology

United Earth Federation is already in Sup Comm but it still my favorite game faction in both gameplay and background

supreme commander can be a good place to look for inspiration

>>10524968
Well, it depends, the GSE is a much more raid oriented fighting style.

My personal guess at this point is that some form of indirect fire, potentially (probably) off-board artillery will be available for all factions.

>>10524122
HOLY FUCK! LOOK AT THAT!

I've got a few ideas for UTC soldiers.

And that's it, those are the images I've been using for inspiration.

2142 soldiers for the win!!!

>>10525312

Yeah, this one I like:
>>10525255

It's future looking, has a strong look, and seems to fit the aesthetic I'm aiming for with the UTC/UTF/UEF.

Here you go op
AWESOME pic

I love battletech, flipped through my BMR and saw this. I can only see it going to the elite FSC officers/leaders.

bumping with content !

>>10525616
That would be silly for officers or leaders, elites? Hell yeah. Officers and leaders need to be leading, not fighting. Squad wise, you give the big gun to the guy not leading to he can focus on killing everything

Infantry squads could be pretty awesome if each one fielded a power armor attatchment, sort of that squads heavy weapons guy.

>>10525729
It's the old Officer/Rank Purchase thing. It might not make sense to us, but it does to them. A lowly soldier would never be allowed to utilize the advanced tech of a powersuit in the FSC, unlike the privileged class that the Officers come from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sale_of_commissions

>>10524194
The Rule Books and Faction Books.

If you're still here... Why am I always in the middle of making dinner when I ask this question?

Bump for awesome.

bump for awesome

Some FSC maybe?

UTC General Squad
8 Man Squad
Heavy Armour
4- Troopers Equipped with Battle Rifles+GndLnch
1- Medic BR+GndLnch
2- Support Trooper (1 DFFG, 1 SAW)
1- Squad Leader (Exp) BR+GndLnch

Have ability to split into 4 Man Fire teams.
Have good Training (On a scale of minimal, average, good, superior training) and average resolve.

Total Pts: 101 (Might just round down to 100)

Options: Potential to add a heavy weapon team, pts to be determined soon

UTC Breach Troop Squad
8 Man Squad
4 Troopers BR+GrLnch
3 Support Troopers (2 DFFG, 1 SAW)
1 Squad Leader (Veteran)
Breaching Armor
Good Training, Determined Resolve
Traits: Hardened, Tank Hunter,
Options: 1 Hvy Weapon team attach (pts later), Jump Packs at +80 pts
Total Pts: 160

>>10537003
>>10536882
I'm guessing the second guys have more armor? Is that the main difference?

>>10537043
Looking at it, the second group has better armour (I'm assuming) more support weapons, and more traits.

The Breach Troops have better morale as well, and have a superior squad commander, which helps a lot.

Screwed up my point Calculation:
Standard troops 105
Breach Troops 177
Hvy Power Armour 202 (302 with Jump Packs)
4x Twin Siege Rifle+GrnLnch (1 squad leader)
1x Light Chain Gun
1x Light Rail Gun
Well Trained, Steady morale, Resilient (2 wounds) Hardened, Tough

Cool concept but why not just playing some else like Warmachine or AT43 or whatever the hell it's called.

I'm really loving what I've read so far, especially the powered armour!

How would the breaching unit fit in though, I can't figure that out.
I mean, standard troops, drop troops, and power armour, that I understand. But the breach troops I don't know where they'd fit in.

>>10538868
There are plenty of alternatives out there, but I'm hoping to create one, using a modular system, that is free, and has a strong backstory and fluff to go with it.

>>10538891
Maybe change them to Combat Engineers.

>>10538891
Breach troops puts determined well trained troopers on the ground, in heavy armour. They mount the same armour as Heavy power armour, but cost less than HPA. They allow more boots on the ground, to hold a position, or blow a hole through an enemy line. They're not terribly mobile (without jump packs) but when they have a heavy weapon team with them, pose a formidable threat to vehicles and infantry alike.
Basic Troops are the Hammer
Drop Troops are the Scalpel
Power Armour Troops are Sword
Breach Troops are the Anvil the enemy breaks its teeth on.

I hope that kind of explains it.

>>10539009
They're also unique to the UTC, forgot to mention that along with my trip. Other armies won't/don't have that solid infantry backbone. I'm thinking of removing the Tank Hunter trait and making them standard troops, so you could take them as well as bog standard troopers. I'll need to think about it a bit.

To clarify Force Organization a bit:
Standard Troops (and potentially Breach Troops) must be present for every Specialized unit of Infantry, on a 2:1 ratio. Heavy Weapons (independant of Power armour) can be taken at a ratio of 3:2

So:
2xStandard Squads
1x Power Armour
2xHvy Weapons

Would be an acceptable force Org

I just need to find a simple way of diagramming that, so it's not reliant on the user to do the math involved (as silly as that seems)

Why won't your shitty poorfag game die!

>>10539221
I could respond rationally and logically, but I'll just bump the thread to annoy you.

I'm starting to get a good feel for the UTC or whatever you plan to call it. My take is a professionally trained force that isn't particularly fast but is horribly hard to kill, and not bad on the offense either...

Hurry up and work on the Chinese!

>>10539311
Pretty much.

>>10539400
The GSE are next on the to-do list, I'll be starting with their vehicles.

back from work bump

Ok, Drop Troopers

Eight Man Squad
Storm Suits (Heavy Armour+CC capability)
4 Assault Carbines
1 Commander Veteran
1 Medic
Flamethrower
Squad Automatic
These troops are Elite, and have good resolve. They have drop capability (obviously) as well as being shock troops, that are hardened by battle and utterly fearless.

203pts

And as always, forgot to mention, Heavy Weapons teams cannot be attached/deployed with drop troops.

I'm doing some preliminary thinking on the next group, the GSE, whom I'd expect to have fast units, through and through. They're also going to have a laser focus.

I'll see how they balance, points wise with the UTC troops, probably up their status by having ten man squads.

I'm impressed, I figured this game project would have been dead by now. Glad to see actual progress on it, that's always good.

This thread is still here?

>>10540808
Yes, it is... And?

>>10540768
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing

Luckily we have dropstrike

>>10540851
Well, I'm done 'work' for the day, so off to gym then home, I'll probably work on this some more tonight as well.

Thanks for the kind words as always.

Hurry back! I want my FSC stuff!

Troops (8) 105
Breach Troops (8) 177
Drop troops (8) 203
Power Armour (6) 202 (or 300 for Jump Capable)

The Non-Jumping power Armour seems like the bargain of the century.

Power Armor = Posleen War hnggg..

bump

>>10543631
what?

I'm back, surprised this is still here, glad, but surprised none the less.

I love this thread.

Want to play this game, it seems pretty interesting so far.

There was an idea like this on /po/ a while ago. But they actually got it up and running to an extent last time I checked (last year).

They had infantry / tank / commander papercrafts, some specialists, and a few extras for four separate factions.

>>10545681
Flipit paper combat?

>>10545721
That's the one. http://www.flipitpapercombat.com/index.html

Is it still being made or do they have a workable set of rules up and running?

>>10545795
Yes, still being made, pretty fun.

The guy who worked on that offered to help Dropstrike out with this game.

Found this, thought FSC...

Dropstrike, you noble bastard... This is great.

>>10522540
>15mm.

YES!!!!!!!!!

>>10520878
Is this all there is regarding this idea/concept or is there somewhere where all the info is better organized? Either way i would like to help.But if it is organized somewhere it would make the task a lot easier.

>>10546756
http://s1.zetaboards.com/PlanesAndMercs/forum/1617331/

For now the project is in its infancy, just getting started essentially.

>>10546652
I love 15mm myself, cheap minis, small tablespace needed, great battles.

Will their be LAY-SURRS?

>>10547211
Most likely yes, it's been mentioned that the asian factions use a lot of laser stuff.