>>13050521
You could believe in it, but not follow it. You know, kinda how a lot of christians or mormons or whatever are all IMAGOTELLAGHITOUCHEDAWOMANBEFOREMARRIAGE.

Only by believing in Absolute Monarchy but being capricious or devious enough to, in your own mind 'do the wrong thing'

that's the only way I can conceive of it

Easily.
You could, for example, believe that it is indeed in the best interest of all, but don't count yourself as one of those 'all'. CE.
Or just don't give enough of a fuck about philosophy and treat the whole deal as a great concept to think about and not much else. CN
Or believe that to build what you believe in you must HULK SMASH THE SYSTEM first. CG

>>13050548
actually scratch that, let's say you believe in hobbesian philosophy as outlined in the Leviathan
considering social contracts are void in a state of nature, you can conclude that no first social contract is made and therefore none exist nor can a valid one exist, so you are free to act as you please, be that good neutral or evil

hobbesian philosophy is a bit silly anyway

I'm totally a Hobbesgoblin.

Also, Hobbes never said "go forth and make countries and law". He just laid out his observations on the matters of statecraft and the reasons for their formation. You can have something of a "chaotic" follower of Thomas Hobbes, by following his Natural Law.

Alright.

Basically I was making gods for a Campaign, and decided to base a few off of philosophers. So I wanted to know if someone could be a follower of Hobbes, and still be chaotic, since he was the most extreme case I could think of.

>>13050589
> since he was the most extreme case I could think of
well, there is Kant and Hegel

>>13050589
Tell us more.
It's sounds like a vaguely interesting concept.

>>13050521

Sauce?
That image is awesome!

>>13050619
Dresden Kodak. It's a little weird and preachy, and heavy on the transhumanism, but if you want an intellectual comic that actually has decent art, look no further.

Note that even transhumanists don't like the message, since it's so fucking weird.

>>13050602
The basic idea for the campaign is that the players, being traditional low level D&D characters, are caught in a storm at sea, and wash up in a strange land. I'm still deciding whether the land should have magic, or be psionics only, but all said and done, only one race occupies it: The People. Now, the People have 12 gods (so far I have 6, with Hobbes being the start of my philosopher based gods). These gods don't grant divine magic to their clerics, but rather bless all of their followers with new bodies.

Examples: The Worshipers of Ogri are Ogrin, they are 8-10 feet tall, with wide flat noses, and have great strength, and are skilled builders. The Worshipers of Lami, are Lamia. They have snake tails, and favor nature skills. Worshipers of Hobbes are Hobbesgoblins. They're small, frail, and skilled at making tools of war. The People are otherwise fairly neutral stock, unremarkable, with slightly pointed ears, if they don't worship one god (either by worshiping none, or many) they stay in this form. I'm starting to like the philosopher Idea more and more, and will likely turn the existing 5 gods into philosophers.

Their enemy is The Other. If I keep up the philosopher theme, I'll likely have The Other turn people into P-Zombies, for use as slaves and fodder. The party's ultimate goal, theoretically being to defeat The Other.

>>13050628

Yeah i was talking about the general image actually...
But i'll look into it
Thanks!

>>13050675
The image is from the site. It's a donation wallpaper that looks to be based off of the Advanced Dungeons and Discourse comic.

>>13050684
this takes me back to my philosophy undergrad days. One of the most amusing things I've seen in a while. very clever

Easy, I mean I believe in nihilism, but that doesn't stop me from thinking everyone should be nice to each other and that people should go out of their way to help each other, or smack the shit out of people who aren't nice to people who are generally nice to their surroundings.

Because I like it that way, even though I'm aware that it's all bull, all you gotta do is be a hypocrite.

>>13050703
ethical anti-realists are often the most ethically strict individuals, if you look into it

this is pretentious as fuck

>>13050703
>I believe in nihilism
I truly do pity you

>>13050703
You know I never really bothered to care, what's the difference between Nihilism and Atheism? - And I mean hardcore atheism where you don't believe in any sort of afterlife/reincarnation.

>>13050728
nihilism mostly refers to disbelief in inherent meaning and value, there a few subsets like ethical or political nihilism

atheism is simply disbelief supernatural deities, nothing more

>>13050736
>ethical
by which I meant epistemic

anyway, you can be a theist or an atheist and still be or not be a nihilist

>>13050736
Yeah what this guy said, atheists still tend to roll with morals.

>>13050749
I consider myself a moral atheist nihilist. Just because it doesn't mean anything doesn't mean we can't create meaning. Nihilism is the belief that nothing has an INHERENT meaning or value, not that constructed meaning and value are worthless.

>>13050716
The trick is to not care about it and focus on what makes you happy.

>>13050771
I'm like you (though I'd say moralistic, not moral), though this
>Nihilism is the belief that nothing has an INHERENT meaning or value, not that constructed meaning and value are worthless
is untrue.
To be perfectly honest I don't understand peoples resistance to nihilism. It is simply making an assertion about metaphysical truths, it shouldn't come as a surprise.

Ethics are a construct, no fucking shit, it doesn't make them all equally valid

I finally figured out what Kant worshipers are. Lykantropes.

Aaaannnd now I'm stuck with making horrible puns for worshiper names.

>>13050799
warforged can be Mechiavellian

>>13050736
So, like, Nihilists don't believe in Republicans or candy being delicious?

>>13050806
being perfectly technical, a nihilist cannot say he likes bananas more than oranges, because saying one tastes better is giving implied value to good flavour. In practice not acknowledging something has metaphysical value is very different from wanting it.
And a political nihilist is comparable to an anarchist, rather than not believing in political denominations, he would deny their value and probably advocate their dissolution

>>13050521
Dat hobbesgoblin

fapfapfapfapfa

wait wat're talking about again?

>>13050805
FFFFFFFFFFine.

I can get behind this.

I just need more. So far it's Hobbesgoblins (short, warlike people, who believe an absolute monarchy is best), Mechiavellians (robotic people who believe the ends justify the means), and Lykantropes (Wolf themed People who believe actions made for selfish reasons are without merit).

>>13050832
Nihilists, and philosopher based names for their followers. Preferably in the form of puns.

>>13050822
A nihilist can totally say HE LIKES the taste of bananas more than apples. That is an objective value. He cannot say that bananas taste better than apples. That is an inherent value.

>>13050840
He cannot say that bananas taste better than apples

Then he is a liar.

>>13050684
>a donation wallpaper

HA! HA!

Didn't take too long for it to become free did it Diaz?

>>13050822

So... nihilist is true neutral?
Not particularly inclined one way or another?

>>13050859
A nihilist is Fuck This Shit alignment. A nihilist does not believe in alignments.

>>13050865
Disbelief in alignments does not make one immune to alignment. Like how yelling "I'm not angry" doesn't make an angry person no longer angry.

>>13050859
Normal people are influenced by the idea of good and evil. Most people want to be good, some people get a thrill out of being bad. A nihilist doesn't believe in good and evil, so he wouldn't be affected by those things. He'd do what he was inclined to do unaffected by how it would represent him on a grid.

>>13050838
>Lykantropes
don't forget 'no one leaves the island til the last murderer is hanged'
and also if someone is looking to kill your mother and asks you where she is, you cannot (even by omission). Combine that with Kants thoughts on aesthetics, and maybe his maxim of universality and you have a very cool culture

Also, Niccolo Machievelli was a little more complicated than Utilitarianism,

I'm throwing in my hat for Millotaurs (based on John Stuart Mill)

I can't think of any puns for Nihilism but you could use either Friedrich Heinrich Jacobi or Albert Camus. Jean Paul Satre was an existentialism but he is comparable, I guess

>>13050840
true

>>13050865

I'm so totally a nihilist and i didn't know D:

Not that i care btw...


And Nihilist could be Nihiliches

I got you some new Hobbes, OP. Enjoy.

>>13050879

Lich/undead people that doesn't care about what their actions do to others. Not necessarily evil, they are just assholes.

>>13050859
it's hard to say. A disbelief in moral and ethical strictures probably doesn't sway him towards laws

the cliche is evil nihilist (morals don't exist so I SHALL TORTURE YOUR BABIES)

>>13050909

Or maybe Nihillithid
Mind Flayers are already like that anyway i guess

>island Cuturges
Yes captcha, cultures in an island, that's what it's all about

>>13050879
that could work, since the idea that death negates all accomplishments and thoughts in life is relevant to nihilism

>>13050873
>>13050865
Suddenly, Solipsist Nihilists, EVERYWHERE

>>13050879
Alright. So undead themed people, who believe that nothing holds intrinsic value. Their god granting them power, not for their faith in him, but for their clearly congruent beliefs.

But should their 'god' be Kierkegaard, for his clearly pun-able name, or Nietzsche for being most commonly associated with nihilism, or both?

>>13050879
This is pretty much on the spot for nihilism actually.

>>13050936

I guess Nietzsche is that much more iconic...
Also, an undead god with a obscenely large moustache is just THAT awesome

>>13050936
Kierkegaard was christian existentialist so I'd go with Nietzche.

>>13050936
Nietzche is kind of critical of nihilism, any race based on him woudl kind of be ubermench perhaps [spoiler]r[/spoiler]androids

keikergaard, funnily enough, means grave, and positied a protonihilistic idea known as 'levelling'

He also gave us such great quotes as

'Marry, and you will regret it. Do not marry, and you will also regret it. Marry or do not marry, you will regret it either way. Whether you marry or you do not marry, you will regret it either way. Laugh at the stupidities of the world, and you will regret it; weep over them, and you will also regret it. Laugh at the stupidities of the world or weep over them, you will regret it either way. Whether you laugh at the stupidities of the world or you weep over them, you will regret it either way. Trust a girl, and you will regret it. Do not trust her, and you will also regret it. Trust a girl or do not trust her, you will regret it either way. Whether you trust a girl or do not trust her, you will regret it either way. Hang yourself, and you will regret it. Do not hang yourself, and you will also regret it. Hang yourself or do not hang yourself, you will regret it either way. Whether you hang yourself or do not hang yourself, you will regret it either way.'

But keikergaard was not really a nihilist

>>13050948
>>13050936
They don't have a god, he's dead.

>>13050952
Actually it means graveyard or cemetary.

>>13050936
> Nietzsche
>Nihilist
FUCKING FUCK YOU

If you want a god of undeath to be niichi-kun, go with undead with ridiculously huge will power and giving new meanings and purposes to an existence inherently devoid of it.

>>13050964
That was the idea, actually. Nihiliches were going to mostly be people trying to give meaning to the meaningless world, since they aren't the bad guys, P-Zombies and The Other are.

>Othello's Dicers

>>13050954


HAHA OH WOW
Best ever. Good job sir.


Any other philosophers OP?

>Hobbesgoblin
God damn I hate this comic.

An important distinction I suppose, if we are talking about nihilism is active and passive nihilsim

Passive: the meaninglessness of life causes you to withdraw, become apathetic and probably kill yourself

Active: more the neitzchean kind, no rules means you can do whatever you want and you are the sole archetect of your own life

>>13050964
Sounds like Nietzsche makes a perfect lich.
>Good? Evil? I replace your morality with my own. Fuck you. I needed the bodies for to lead the world into greatness!

>>13050982
Reading this thread will make you love it.

SPOILER

Machiavelli was not Machiavellian

>>13050980
But... they're not "nihil" in any shape or form. They reject that. It's simply injustice to call them that.
>>13050979
Rousseau clerics?

I like Nietzsche, he cried for the horse.

>>13051008
he was insane though

>>13051032

Even more reason

Any other philosopher OP? i want to create more pun names

>>13050994
I noticed. But worshiping a god with inconsistent teachings is difficult to depict. "The Prince" style Mechiavellians could be the main sect, with a smaller sect devoted to his later republican ideals of taking fortune into their own hands.

A man that believes there should be rules because without them there would be nothing to rebel against. Without anyone in power there are no ass kissers to beat up.

>>13051063
Russian bear druids worshipping Marx?

>>13050986
Nietzsche opposed nihilism.
>>13050987
That is not what "beyond good and evil" means.

>>13051103
>Nietzsche opposed nihilism
the kind that he accused christians of having, which is neither of the ones that I mentioned

>>13051099
Nay, russian anarchists.

The Bearkunin

>>13051059
Frankly, I'm not very knowledgeable on philosophers. I need a name for followers of Aristippus (It is hard to find a good hedonist) probably based on Cyrene, and I need a philosopher who emphasizes the importance of nature, if there is one.

Oh, and are there any philosophers who actually believe in Fatalism?

>>13051150
>It is hard to find a good hedonist
hmm, Anacreon or Jeremy Bentham? Fuck I have a whole folder on the philosophy of happiness somewhere...

>>13051150
>Oh, and are there any philosophers who actually believe in Fatalism?
Richard Taylor

Check out the Captcha

>>13051032
Nietzsche believed insanity to be the philosopher's lot in life as their thinking slowly led them further and further away from what people consider sane.

>>13051234
that's all well and good, but I'm pretty sure it was the syphilis

>>13051197
Now to name the Fatalists, who believe that the future dictates the actions of today, who tend to not work hard, but get a bonus (or, possibly, a penalty) from fate, as the effort was going to work (or fail regardless of good work).

Rules wise, something like roll a d6 and flip a coin. Heads, add the d6 to the check, tails, subtract the roll from the check.

>>13051249
For some reason I laughed.

How about determinism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism

>>13051320
See, now you've got steampunk tieflings in my wakfu/philosopher fantasy

>>13051337
I don't understand. Why tieflings?

But then. engineerdraenaifemalewithglowingglasses.jpg

>>13051337
NOX IS NOT A TRUE CLOCKCULTGUY
HE BELIEVES HE CAN CHANGE SHIT.
THINGS ARE FATED. NOTHING CAN CHANGE.

>>13051348
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace%27s_demon

>>13051357
Oh right. I remember that thought experiment. You're a genius! Maybe a Lawful Neutral Greater Demon?

>>13051356
NOX ALSO DOESN'T EXACTLY FOLLOW THE TRADITIONAL METHOD OF BECOMING A XELOR.

>>13051363
I think Laplace's Demon is the ideal being pursued by Laplaceans. It's what they're trying to achieve through science, machinery and clockwork, rather than an existing thing.

Maxwell's Demon commands the power of Fire and Ice in equal measure. In being, it originates from outside of this sphere of existence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon

I've spent too much time here. I can't say Nietzsche without thinking of Tzeentch.

>>13051383
Er... or I could steal the he knows something we don't joke, have Laplace's demon exist and not tell people anything, so the Laplaceans are trying to recreate him with delicious science.

Also, I have no names for Fatalists or Hedonists, and my name for Determinists isn't even a pun. Come on /tg/ bear with me here.

got it bad got it bad got it bad
I'm hot for neitzche

>>13051565
>bear with me

What about Determinators?

Too bad warfoged are machivallian.

>>13051625
Determinators are awesome idea. I like them much better than Machiavellian warforged.

>>13051625
Determinators sounds nice. I also just found Democritus, who seems to have held an early determinist philosophy.

He's easy to change; Demoncritus (Pluralized Demoncriti of course)

Ha HAAAAA, my philosophy degree finally BEARS FRUIT!

Anyway. You can't have a philosopher system without Plato. He's a sunnuvabitch, but "all philosophy is just footnotes to Plato (and half of them were written by Aristotle)." The Platonists (sry can't think of a pun) believe that the apparent world is just images of a greater world of ideas, and that all knowledge is just recollection from the soul in previous lives; if you're running 4th, Deva is the only real option, but regardless pick something wizardy and int-based.

Aristotieflings worship a Prime Mover (or Unmoved Mover), the progenitor of all other gods, and indeed of everything in the universe. Unaffected by anything, it must still exist, keeping the cosmos in motion.

Euclizardmen are incredible geometers, creating amazing things out of their mathematical simulations. Alternatively, Galilizardmen are great scientists, constantly doing experiments on dropping things and making cool projectile weapons and trying to get to spaaaaace.

If you want elemental stuff, Thales said everything was water, Anaximander said everything was air, and Heraclitus said everything was fire. Heraclitus is a pretty cool guy, actually: said everything was in flux, and all dissonance was harmony. He gave us the famous line "you can't step in the same river twice".

>>13051781
>Error: Field too long.

In defense of Hobbes, I think there should be a sect of his goblins who are basically buddhists: the Fundamental Right of Nature is to protect your life, and the First Fundamental Law of Nature (deduced by applying reason to the Fundamental Right) is to Seek Peace. He then goes on to describe the other Laws Of Nature, which are all basically "be nice to other people." He then says that all of that is actually the Golden Rule, whoa crazy.

In a polytheistic society, Pascal would probably say that you should worship every god equally, so that whoever wins Armageddon, your soul is safe... Presumably, that would include The Other, so there can be True Neutral Pascalians who help the winning side and switch allegiances without batting an eye when the heroes start losing (or start winning).

There are more (there always are), but that's what's on the top of my head, hopefully it'll help.

Wish I could find a pun for Plato, though, you can't not have Plato...

>>13051781
>if you're running 4th, Deva is the only real option
Half of my gaming group hates 4th, so it'll be 3.5

Also, all your suggestions let me replace Mechiavellians, so Determinators are in.

Beyond that, Euclizardmen is so amazing I'm willing to overlook how he's not a philosopher.

>>13051785
Platoonists?

They organize in big armies and the whatnot?

>>13051781
>Euclizardmen

Bear my children.

Also, as it is, every Philosopher God can have every alignment.

Hobbesgoblins can be Evil Conquerors or kind peace bringers.

Lykantropes accept the Categorical Imperatives, but some rogue factions believe there are also evil categorical imperatives. I know it's a stretch, but whatever.

Nihiliches try to give the world meaning, in their own way, good or evil

Determinators want to build a machine that has casual knowledge of everything ever. Because while the machine knows absolutely what will happen, it will know it in the context that there are people with a future seeing machine.

And Euclizardmen have no philosophy. Just MATH.

Platonics think the world is an allegory for a greater meta-philosophical debate.

Aristieflings worship the constant which runs their Universe

The People are blank slates, uncommitted to any philosophy, but still thinking beings.

The Other is an end of thought. His P-Zombies are just things that act like real people.

Great. I have two meta races. One sees what I'm doing, the other worships me.

I'm not sure about using elemental forces. I'll write them up though.

I think I'll just leave Platonics as that, and make them alchemists.

>this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8

http://dndis.wikidot.com/

>>13051781
>>13052178

>Aristotieflings
What about a faction that seeks to emulate the Prime Mover -- the Aristotelekinetics?

Goddamned fucking alignment freaks.

>>13052248

I know, but ultimately, I'm still running a D&D game. The players should actually be traditional D&D heroes, for as long as they can stay unassimilated by the different philosophies and their tasty bonuses. Their job here is to go forth and take down the Other, being resistant to his Philosophical Zombification.

More than that, the players would be completely alien entities in this world, brought here by some mix of the Prime Mover, Laplace's Demon, and whatever else I feel like retconning in later. None of them are of The People, nor are they followers of any of the (currently 7) philosophies. There will be dwarves, humans, and whatever else in a land that has none of these. Sure, they could almost look like a native; If one of the players decided to play a half-elf necronomicon, they'd be spot on for a Nihilich. They bring with them the renewed idea that there are actually different races, different intelligent beings that aren't The People (so named because there is no other group to contrast).

Additionally, if the party has a cleric, suddenly there is a person who draws divine power from another being, rather than just from the power of a concept.

>>13051890
>Beyond that, Euclizardmen is so amazing I'm willing to overlook how he's not a philosopher.

Arguable, sir, arguable. He never "philosophized" as we use the word, but he was definitely a lover of wisdom (philo sophos, lolololol), and he was constantly striving towards beauty and shit.

>Platonists
Just took a lunch break and talked over Plato puns. Most of the easy ones are very bad, like Platorc (besides being a -int race, it sounds like a bad Golden Age supervillain), Platogre (same problem), Platowlbear, or Platotyugh. Platolem might work as an enemy, but they're mindless... Socrates has a few more options, like Soccubus (Socrates was executed for "seducing and corrupting the youth of athens" to his dangerous philosophy), or Socshasa (I don't know if there are 3.5 Deva or what their flavor is, but in 4th they have to stay Good or they risk reincarnating into Rakshasa. The biggest problem with including that is that Pleva sounds really, really stupid, and the alternative... Well, I think even your pun-sense will revile Devo.), or possibly Rocrates (giant bird) or Rockrates (a type of Platolem). The only options that have any chance of working are Satyrates, Sladdrates for very strong ones, Socratelf or Socrateladrin. There are no good +int races starting with P or O, or even T (except Tiefling, but that's taken).

That said, one last option: a sect of Platonists who understand the cave metaphor, but prefer their illusory existence staring at shadows on the wall, and fear being blinded by the light of the Good outside of it. These cave-dwellers are Platroglodytes.

>>13052443

Switch 'em around a bit:
Aristoteladrin
Socratiefling (or even better: Socrathri-Kreen)

And I may have one for Plato:
Plathori (as in Plat-Hori)

>>13052443
Puns only exist for me to jump forward with, they're a theme, not a rule. Platogre could be wise men who are Big and Strong, and just model them after pic related. (Platogier?)

The Socrubi (heh, sock ruby) fill the hedonist need I had without being all about the self-pleasure.

>>13052537
Soccubi/Socrubi (sounds like a bad japanese accent) would be a particular flavor of hedonism appropriate to the setting: intellectual. They'd be constantly trying new ideas, learning new ways of seeing the world, considering new points of vi...vie...VIEWHOOOOOAAAAAAYEEEEES.

And then they'd need to go have a smoke... And go find some fresh, supple young minds to tell aaaall aboooout the new ideas they've just had.

(Depending on your party's philosophical background, Succubiades might be better appreciated. Alcibiades is a historical figure who also shows up in some Platonic dialogues, most notably the Symposium [and the Alcibiades, but nyeh]. He's a student of Socrates, but a total self-centered hedonist. He spends the entirety of his screentime in the Symposium trying to get into Soccy's toga and being rebuffed. Still, the "seducing and corrupting" reference [from Plato's Apology, the big S's criminal charge] is hard to resist.)

>>13052617
>Slaaneshrates
>Socraanesh

The lamest of the gods is Hume.

Yeah, he grants powers of ignoring causality and shit like that, but guess what he turns his followers into?

Humans.

Whoa, this is still up

and you haven't included John Stuart Millotaurs?

>>13056180
perhaps instead of molemen, you can have millmen

>>13056180

I like Millotaurs as a name, but am having trouble defining his beliefs. Could you help me get a better grasp of his philosophies?

>>13052617
>Rocrates
>My face

>>13053501
Excuse me, good sir. I must ask that you cease your attacks against Hume. After all, I myself am a Humean, and I can say with some confidence that you misunderestimate our abilities.
For one, we can ignore the effects of any "miracles" that do not adhere to the strictest of confidences. Additionally, we can cast fireball at anyone who makes use of a metaphysics-based move. Lastly, our experience-based knowledge makes a priori scrying on us very limited.

>>13056275
I said:
>MY FACE

>thized eager
I dunno how to thiz, but captcha's apparently eager to do it.

So far Millotaurs believe:

- The Pursuit of wealth should not decrease the quality of nature, which should be preserved.
- People should be safe from the tyranny of rule, even if the rulers are the majority. Rulers should be limited in how much power they can exorcise upon the individual
- Everyone should be equal
- There should be a free market, but taxes are fine, if the cause is utilitarian.
- And he believes actions moral worth is based on the utility of the action. The greatest actions bring the most happiness, satisfaction, knowledge, etc. to others.

Soo... Republican Druids with a cow theme.

I require more Hobbesgoblin art.

>>13056250
J.S. Mill is probably my favourite philosopher

He was raised to be a child genius that would carry on the legacy of utilitarianism by his father and Jeremey Bentham, so they home schooled him.
By 3 he learnt greek and by 6 had read many of plato's dialogies. At 8 he was learning formal latin, euclidian mathematics and algebra.

Mill was basically a very lucid proponent of social liberty, a little bit like Henry David Thoreau. Some notable ideas of his include the Harm Principle and the theory of utility, and also talked about validity in the scientific method.

What if you believe in an absolute monarchy being the only form of stability and government worth anything, and to that end you defy all rules and norms in order to make such a thing possible, generally by means of slaughter and evilry?

Your methods would be chaotic evil, but your goal is to institute a system of absolute order. You may or may not also be insane, and this goal may or may not be feasable despite all your efforts to make it so.

Perhaps said character acts in a chaotic fashion to band the world against him in the order of his choosing, forcing others to spurn what he is so that they will accept an absolute monarchy?

Sophists here. If I can prove it, it's true. Therefore, nothing is more true or more false than anything else.

Also, the German Philosophy has to be in there - considering from Idealism to Kantianism to Hegelism to Marxism is one consistent branching tree along the same lines of thought.

>>13056368

What Locke was to classical liberalism, Mills was to modern liberalism - directly so for the "new liberalism" of 19th century England, whereas American liberalism is more of the vague ideological lovechild of the Populists and the Progressives.

The core principle I think you are overlooking in utilitarianism is the greatest happiness for the greatest number/minimizing pain is the highest moral imperative and 2 other big ideas
1 - the "high happinesses" like scholarship, virtue, and so on make most people more happy than the debased pleasures, and even for those whom that is not the case, it will in the long-run because pursuing the high happinesses will make people around you happy and they'll do more to make you happy. So even if you really do enjoy sex and liquor more than noble pursuits, the idea is you'd enjoy reaping the social reward of noble pursuits even more than sex and liquor.
2 - Besides a tiny number of exceptional freaks of either high or low ability, most people are equally capable of happiness, intelligence, education, etc. if they have access to the conditions for such. Mills was really like the first mainstream thinker to really point out that if you increase the education and quality of life for the vast majority of people, you will be able to turn the "lower orders" and those of "common blood" into the match for the aristocrats and the merchants.

>>13052443

You should teach a course in this punnery stuff.

>>13056490
Can you give me a good sophist pun and philosopher?

>>13056582
Thank you for the help. I'll keep the Millotaur druids, but they aren't themed by that.

>>13052537
Platogres work, since 'plato' means 'broad-backed' anyway.
Where does Nietzche fit into this, though?

Descartes all up in this bitch. He managed to be the single most important person in modern philosophy while simultaneously being completely and utterly wrong.

That takes MAD skill.

>>13056761
Zeno of Elea, the maker of paradoxes, and Zenomorphs?

Des'Cat'e People

Another possibility for a mathematical philosopher.

>>13056776
Nihiliches. Nietzsche is their dead god.

>>13056847
You seem to have it a bit...reversed.
Try Schopenhauer for nihilism instead of the guy who raged at it for all his life.

>>13056801
They could be the magic race.
'It's quantum, I ain't gotta explain shit'

>>13056864
Nietzsche Nihiliches are people who see the world as having no intrinsic value, so they strive to give it one. They also pursue creation of the Übermensch, and have a strong will to drive forwards.

I could use Schopenhauer as a sub-liege for Nihiliches that are pessimistic.

>>13056966
Oh. It's just the name that bugged me, then. Sorry.
It just doesn't fit. At all.
Nihiliches could be worshippers of Schopenhauer and antagonists to the... hm... Uberdarin? Zarathorcs?

>>13057017
Well, currently the ultimate enemy are P Zombies. The other removes people's ability to think, leaving shells that act like people.

But how would you do Nihilithids? And want should I base the name of Nietzsche followers on? I like the undead theme, being a progression beyond man. Zaraghoulstrans?

>>13057120
Despair and powerlessness are the main themes here, so:
Pzombification removes your ability to think.
Nihillithids could remove your will and use your mind for their purpose. So the Other uses your body, the Will Flayers use your mind. That puts them in conflict with the Other, too. How convenient.
The Undead theme doesn't fit, though, since it's static and involves becoming something else entirely instead of perfecting what you are. Proud, manly warrior race would be closer to the theme. Minotaurs are taken, so.. oh. Centaurs? Fits the Nietzche's obsession with Greeks, warlike, somewhat unrestrained. Or orcs. Centhustra?

>>13057189
Please see
>>13051008
You're getting too appropriate with centaurs.

Also, for puns directly off of Nietzche: Nietzchuul, Nietzchoker, and if you want to get dangerous, Nietzchimera

>>13056743
I'm actually terrible at it. For example, I can't think of a pun on "you should teach a course in this punnery stuff." Of course? Yes, I was thinking of becoming a pundit? I profess, something something? I got nothing. I just look at the monster manual for names starting with the appropriate letter combination.

>>13057189
>Will Flayers
>Will to Power
Well played, sir.
As for a Nietzche themed race... Uberclops?
They're big, strong and passionate. They make good Paladins and Warlords, having potent physiques and innate charisma along with a desire to help the People to improve themselves. They lack the patience for overly intellectual pursuits like wizardry, but make powerful Sorcerers and Psions with their great passions and strong will. Monks are not uncommon among them and Uberclops monks are terrifying opponents indeed.
Older Uberclops can focus their powerful will through their eye and blast their opponents with rays of energy.

Leibniz could be a god of planar travel

sure, we're living in the best of all possible worlds, but what about all the others?

>>13057737
I love this idea. Almost as much as I love Leibniz.

I just want to know what to make of Freud.

Wittgenstein as god of a Pythagorean/Gnostic-style mystery cult. Cultists undergo vow of silence, must ascend mystical ladder of attainment, eventually escaping the cult as they kick it away. All of them, upon entering the cult, magically take on some physical trait that is exactly the same as some of the other members. They don't all look exactly the same, just disconcertingly similar. A family resemblance, if you will.

Also, Kierkegaard as god of dread and despair.

>>13057911
not a philosopher, but I'm thinking something like Priapus, Roman god of the phallus

so, did y'all end up making anything?

i'd love to actually play a game of dungeons and discourse

>>13058042

I got my players' consents. This is what I'm playing once a week starting tomorrow.

And the cosmology actually feels like a complete entity, with honest to goodness interaction. thatnks to /tg/ this is now a world of people, rather than a world of placeholders and generic stereotypes.

>>13058042
That'd be simple to do with core rules and a refluff. Use the names and theologies in this thread for the different classes. Rogues are nihilists, who sneak attack using existential dread, Mages are mathamancers, who understand the probability of actions, and spark them (saves are now the probability of the action happening) ex: "I observe you have a 35% chance of exploding" is a fireball, and the target has a 65% chance of saving. Clerics are sophists who prove and disprove events. Proving someone was not killed is a revive.

Voila! Dungeons and Discourse in the comfort of a familiar system.

I'll just... Leave this here.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/13050521/

>>13058042

Uh, there's already a system. http://dndis.wikidot.com/

OP is talking about dropping DnD players into philosophy-inspired setting, and just brainstorming ideas for philosphy-based religions.

>>13060256

That has to be the most idiotic and pretentious thing I've ever read. Makes sense, seeing as how it was inspired by Dresden Kodak.

>>13060857
Dude, even the image posted in the first post of this thread is almost physically painful.
>leviathan - hobbes
Dohohoho, how incredibly witty.
>locke, two treatises of government
Oh, god please... stop!
>Geometer, descartes
That's it. Let's nuke the US.

>>13060888

The tits are subpar as well. The freaky necks throw me off a bit more than the awful puns.

Bamp for most awesome thread on /tg/

Philosophy is the reason why /tg/ gets things done.

>>13052178
>Nihiliches and Determinators team up to make an undead computer.