Not really that interested in WoD games and stuff, but I'm pretty big on Lovecraftian stuff.

I realise why you want to balance the power of all the books, but wouldn't the Outsiders be the strongest things around in the World of Darkness?

I can't even imagine how an army of Andivisomething vampires could take on one insignificant alien "high priest".

Just checking what your opinion about this is, people.

Experienced WoD player here. Got any crunch ideas you want help with?

>>13328255
Maybe you should add some school for ghost-like phasing.

Remember, a boat went straight through Cthulhu and he just reformed.

And he's just an alien. Not even a God.

So I think it would be interesting and also in the right train of thought if some Outsiders could just mist themselves out of trouble.

>>13328278
As I understand it, there's a disconnect between the PC and his God. There's no real way of knowing if you're doing what the Elder God wants and you're not able to easily tap into the most powerful side of things.

Too, when you do advance in power, reality itself starts to try and remove you.

Soup. OWoD fan here, although I haven't checked up on Outsider yet. I've played / read the Mind's Eye Theatre versions of Vampire (I know it well), Werewolf, Mage, and Hunter. I know almost nothing about Demon; I've read Wraith but hated the system and little of it stuck with me. Never read Mummy. As far as Tabletop, the only thing that I've read through is Mage.

Assistance rendered where possible.

>>13328357
I'm taking a guess here, you're not an alien, but a servant of one of the aliens somewhere?

That sort of solves the whole power problem, yes....

>>13328347
I think there should be a minor-to-medium level of problem with doing that. A minor stat adjustment or the inability to affect the local environment/entities for a given period of time, based off of how much damage was just avoided. If you phase out to avoid a single thrown Tic Tac, you're immaterial for a round; for a bullet, two; for a full-on speeding boat, don't make any plans for a week or so, because a boat is a bad thing to be struck me.

>>13328278
I doubt a Mythos 1 Outsider could take on an army of Vampires. Maybe a Mythos 10, but that is endgame material and every splat becomes wacky ad that point.

>>13328318
I'd be grateful if you look over what we have for now if anything radically overpowered jumps at you, also we need a system to classify the different powers. We were thinking something like Mage, but we just can't come up with enough different categories without ripping off Mage.

>>13328383
Yes. Like all nWoD lines you were once human.

>>13328384
I like it.

Especially since it can be used in combat, as well as to pass certain obstacles.

I however do think it should be a "school" you'd have to invest heavily in, because it's quite a useful and powerful tool.

>>13328389
Care to make a quick explanation about this Mythos 1 to 10 gauge?

>>13328412
Not a bad idea.
>Phase
>Sidewave
>Discorporation
>????

>>13328431
Mythos is the Powerstat. PCs start at 1, though every line allows you to buy up to 3 at the start. Powerstats govern which powers you can use and how often you can use them, as well as how much "mana" you can store.

Are there any concept mechanics for accruing your own followers? I

>>13328255
Awww, not calling it the Unnameable?

>>13328255
>If mages are built on speed,

Mages are meant to be god with preparation but weak if suprised. Therefore, Outsiders should be kings of on the fly reality perversion.

>>13328278
>but wouldn't the Outsiders be the strongest things around in the World of Darkness?

Outsiders are not Gods, they are people who have gained some of the powers of the gods. In much the same way as werewolves aren't Luna, and changelings are not True Fae.

Anyway, WoD is full of stuff which could equal anything from the Mythos.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Wait.
"Phase" could be indicative of your physical coherency. Most of the "races" have a high Phase, which means that they're relatively solid. At lower Phase ratings, you are likelier to be immune to most traumas, but also unable to do much about it, except fester and go crazy in the space between worlds.

Good?

>>13328478
I see.

How are you going to fit the real Outsiders into the WoD mythos?

I think that this system you all are working on would explain a shitload of questions regarding some mysterious entities in WoD.

I take it you guys place the real Outsiders at the top of the WoD foodchain?

>>13328500
>food chain
There's no coherent "werewolves always win against vampires, vampires always win against X, etc." in nWoD. If you need a diagram, picture a clock dial; remove the hands from the clock. That's it. Just another equivalent number in a great big circle.
>and circle jokes ensue

>>13328347
Rejections would be more than able to handle this.

>I think the only in-combat healing should be available by expending Quiescence
Do you mean Madness? If so that makes sense. I can also easily see some of the more body-horror Rejections being good at healing on the go.

Outside of combat healing should be handled by Rituals, so healing is slow and risky/unavailable in hostile territory, but still useful to prevent weeks of downtime.
That would make them the worst splat in the nWoD at healing.

>>13328500
No need to. nWoD isn't big on laying out truths behind the lines. We make vague allusions and let people fill in details on their own.

>>13328532
High danger, high power sounds about perfect.

They are granted extraordinary power, but that's all. Their masters have the time, and a giant pool of resources, and characters like glass cannons reflect that.

>>13328532
>slow healing
Why not fit in a mechanic for aspects of life they could use to heal from? Places where terribad shit went down, sticking close to insanely brilliant minds on the edge of discoveries, madmen about to cut loose, that kind of thing? All of those have featured large in the Mythos, and this could provide a relevant context as to motives.

>>13328500
The WoD contains multiple conflicting mythoi, as well as entities which do no fit into any known system. Mages have attempted to explain everything, and would probably classify Lovecraftian creatures as powerful Abyssal entities.

>>13328532
>Do you mean Madness?
No, one of the proposed general abilities of all outsiders is that by paying Quiescence (loosing coherency with reality) they can heal all wounds by filling them with alien matter.

>>13328546
>Their masters have the time, and a giant pool of resources, and don't really care about their dozens of expendable servants, and characters like glass cannons reflect that.

My bad, forgot a bit.

>>13328554
That is one of the proposed mechanics for gaining Madness (power source).

>>13328255
>So I'm against an automatic ability to hide their natures.

One of the defining features of Lovecraftian horrors is the madness they induce in those who witness them or their powers. This ability is far too common to be a Rejection.

>>13328255
>healing
>slow

sorry, but I can't disagree with you more there.

they SHOULD be enable to enact their "out of combat" healing rituals IN combat. say, they spent time preparing the rune of sinister health, just finished sacrificing the goat, and INVESTIGATORS BUST IN!

well, the investigators will be fighting some outsiders who are currently super-regenerators, and will be for the next half hour or so.

at least, i nmy mind.

>>13328609
Well, then. Parallel contribution was parallel. Also contributory. I feel better now.

Is there a mechanic for changing relative physics in a given area, for a limited time? The idea at work is a 1408 model, mind you, nothing world-rending. Just enough to wreck someone's entire existence, not a whole community.

>>13328624
I like this. It adds a random element to the game.

One moment you're a super killer, the next moment, you're bleeding out in the backstreets, desperately trying to get to your car to get home and to do something about those three fist sized holes in your chest.

>>13328593
Not worth it. Unless they have a very powerful inate Mask equivilent an Outsider would become very had to play below Quiessence 5 with the current mutation scales. The most human Outsider in existance only has 10 points, and regaining it requires large amounts of xp.

I would agree that Outsiders should be able to sacrifice it to gain power, but it being their main method of healing just isn't viable.

>>13328636
That would be be handled by a specific Rejection probably a Hypergeometry one.

If these outsiders are meant to be masters of on-the-fly, then we're going to have to break one of WoD's big unwritten rules right out of the box: Teleportation. It's playing to trope anyway.

Another very basic power would be "You are not surprised when you spend X" or even "You are never surprised." Since outsiders have a warped view of time, it's in fact very possible that degrees of enhanced awareness of the future and past can be a big thing for several of these outsider breeds, if not all of them.

/tg/ does it again.

>Outsiders need to be roughly equal to the other gamelines in terms of power.
Disagreed, the "other gamelines" aren't equal to each other. You would be bogging down an interesting storytelling aspect by chasing a balance that never existed.

>>13328692
I see a few solid Merit options right there.
Glimpse: a peek into the future, on demand. 9-again on notice-stuff checks, as you pre-discover stuff.
Eyes Forward: +3 initiative dice to resolve ambushes.

That kind of thing. Put some prerequisites in front of those, and you've got a solid system.

>>13328636
Rejections are the Outsider's basic reality perversion toolset. They will include things like turning off gravity and various other scienctist mocking abilities.

>>13328713
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmzYR4IQ_kM

All I heard.

>>13328692
>Teleportation

You are now aware that mages can teleport in about 5 different ways. Even vampires have at least 2 ways to teleport. Changelings have at least 2 as well. Not sure about Werewolves.

>>13328255
>Naming
I'd say:
1. Lovecraftian for one set of abilities:
-cyclopean, aeon, gibbous
2. (pseudo)scientific for time/space manipulation:
-manifold, bend, elliptic/hyperbolic for space
-tachyon, reversal for time
-triangulation, prediction for divination
3. Horror for some physical domain:
-acidic barbs, gnashing maw for transformations
-bloody dismemberment, living vomit, convulsion for attack abilities
4. Sci-fi alien:
-subdermal probe, plasma arc
5. Demonic:
-possession, hellish roar

>>13328717
The nWoD is built to allow crossovers. While the power levels do vary, that's a bug, not a feature. While making them more powerful than the rest opens up some story options, it closes down many more.

>>13328692
>>13328750
Sheppards of the Silver Key are made of teleport fuckery.

>>13328740
Someone get THIS MOTHERFUCKING OUTSIDER off the INTERNET, NOW!

>>13328713
I watched this yesterday. Sutter Cane is obviously a high Mythos Outsider of Hastur.

>>13328532
>That would make them the worst splat in the nWoD at healing.
A successful Outsider should never fight in enemy territory anyway. They should operate as the BBG of a dungeon.

>>13328894
These are player characters. They should be able to do more than just sit still and wait for the enemy to come to them.

>>13328894
Alternative, they make the arena theirs. If you don't kill them fast enough, Outsiders will wreck your shit.

Rejection

[Master's Blessing]
Cost:3M

Grant a mutation to an other living being. This triggers a morality degeneration risk for the target. If degeneration is resisted the mutation lasts for the duration of the scene if not the mutation is permanent.

>>13329095
Triggering morality degeneration for someone is a BAD idea. Also, mutation being tied to someone's selflessness?

>>13329122
Reading Lovecraft, that is exactly what it is tied to..

>>13328809
Or possibly a Mask of the big N.

Theme music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn-6dO4Bh3k

>>13329122
>>13329154
How about it only being able to affect the willing (cultists) and non sentient animals?

>>13329095
>3M

Too much. 1M.

>>13329870
>1M
Only if it becomes a scene long power with no chance of it being permanent.

One of the "old ones" might be merely interested in experiencing and making sense of this world, since it is as aliens to it as it is alien to us, so most of his power would be related to percecption and deduction.

>>13330025
Some "experience drainig" power would be interesting as well.
There might be some specific concept the entity is not capable of understanding.