What's fucking stopping you from making some?

>>7426446
I just did.

But still WTF guys?

>>7426439
ProTip: Learn what there AREN'T threads of, so when you finish learning, the threads will have appeared.

Make your own or roll with what's being talked about.

/tg/ kinda works like that. You don't come here looking for a specific thread if you don't want to make one.

Metathread, so sage.

>>7426459
Thats the thing, I had never heard of WoD before this. So I started learning it, and poof. They are gone.

>>7426463
Also a general WoD thread.

Or just post battletech posts...

come to think of memes... there is no XCOMan goin on.

>>7426480
Ask questions then. You didn't say it until now, you should've said it in the OP. You also didn't make a single bit of effort to get the ball rolling on a certain topic.

You INTENDED it to be a general WoD thread, but the OP (and now, the entire line of discussion) is a metathread, so more sage.

So, I was thinking about running a game of WoD, where each character starts human, and then turns into something else (par for the course really)

However after they turn, they would each have a different objective, and have to try to keep there supernatural type from the others. For example, the Vampire of the party will be told that the Werewolf will betray him, the werewolf will be told the Mage will betray them, etc.

They will have to keep identity secret, but work together as long as possible, to try and fulfill their goals.

Does /tg/ think this will work?

>>7426529
Not without losing the flavor of each race's story. Also, expect allot of side DMing and generally having to exclude other people.

From the get go, no. It will not work. However if you setup a time for everyone to solo one session after doing one as a human, then it's brilliant.

>>7426529
If you have a good group shit would be awesome.
But if even one member of your group decides not to play along at any point, it seems like it will fall apart pretty quickly.

>>7426529
How are you going to instill that level of distrust in your players?

Whats to stop them from metagaming and saying "Hey guy's I'm a vampire now." And how would you ensure someone even betrays the party?

Seems like a lot of work. But if you can figure out a way to do it right, it will be pretty epic. If not, its going to suck... horribly.

>>7426439
flavor of the month etc.
>>7426529
that's works well if you have experienced WoD players, and a group that roleplays well together. i tried a similar thing where everyone started in the innocents book, and later as adults all had to work together, but had to end it cuz the mage kept being a douchebag.

>>7426547
That was the general idea, I was going to have one or two sessions as human, then have them each get turned on a solo supply run.

>>7426555
The group is more into the story telling aspect. So it works well. As far as that goes.

>>7426557
Each game I've run, I've had someone work as a spy, basically someone who, in return for keeping the party in check, gets a few more fudged rolls. And after my last game, I have had everyone be the spy at some point or another.

This time I'm going to have all of them be spy's, but tell the group that there is only one.

>>7426601
>Each game I've run, I've had someone work as a spy, basically someone who, in return for keeping the party in check, gets a few more fudged rolls.

That is... pretty smart actually, How the hell did you come up with that?

And how did you know they wouldn't tell the others?

>>7426626
not that person but i would not tell him whats fudged and whats not. if the other players act like they know, then the fudged rolls stop.

>>7426626
First game of DnD, the munchkin/rollplayer of the group decided he wanted to be a backstabbing fucktard. So i told him i would pull strings for him, if he helped railroad the players into fights and stuff. Since he just wanted to kill he didn't give a shit, while the rest of the party didn't see the rails he was laying.

In the end it turned him into the backstabbing prick, to the guy that held the team together. Lots of reverse psychology involved, but now he is one of the bigger roleplayers.

As for the others, they were mostly in characters working for the enemy, so they new his/her plans, and were trying to kill the team without getting caught.

Worked out better then i thought it would honestly.

>>7426439

Choosing your games based on what's talked about on the internet is stupid, and choosing them based on what's talked about /tg/ specifically is beyond retarded. The only thing anyone ever talks about here is how much we hate game ______.

>The munchkin/rollplayer of the group decided he wanted to be a backstabbing fucktard.
No cure. Sorry your group has canc-
>but now he is one of the bigger roleplayers.
WUT?

>>7426687
Actually, I picked them up because I had heard good things about them.

And I haven't even played WoD yet, just read the core book.

I don't do it just because everyone else is. I notice it because everyone else is, and decide to see if I will like it.

If not I figure its not for me and give up. Thats what happened to me and Warhammer.

I choose games by whatever the person looking for players wants. There hasn't been a thread for an online game on /tg/ in ages, so currently, I'm reading no rulebooks.

>>7426690
I NO RITE?

I was really surprised it went that well, then when I started hearing about all the mindfucks/backstaps/etc of WoD, I figured i just HAD to run a game where they start out BFF LULZ! Then get different objectives and have to start backstabbing each other.

It's even better because no one knows yet, and they decided on their own, that since its supposed to be modern day and stuff, they should make all their characters based on themselves.

Just an attempt for said munchkin to justify metagame/genre savyness, but I'm going to allow it. The backstabs will be that much better.

>>7426754
Have them play a game of Dokapon Kingdom before each session.

EVEN MORE DELICIOUS BACKSTABBINGS!

>>7426773
There is a thin line between Magnificent Bastard ST, and Evil ST, you just crossed that line.

>>7426773
This is either a very good idea, or a very bad idea.

I'm not sure which.

>>7426529
Sounds cool. Just be sure that the characters don't start metagaming, and it will be fine.

Also be ready for some pretty big IC fights.

This may be the last game you run with that group, OR it may make it so you will only ever be a GM, never a player. The line between brilliant, and fucking annoying is a thin one indeed.

Depends on how the players react.

hey, /tg/ im running two small games of nWoD (one hunter one vampire) at the same time, what the players don't know is that they are in the same story and city. One's actions drives the plot for the other about every other time we play. should i have my groups meet? im pretty sure it will end in horrible violence.

Get use to alot of taking a single player aside for private RP sessions or passing notes. Unless you have altruistic players who refuse to metagame despite OOC knowledge (like me), you'll be doing that stuff quite a bit. Though it can be fun to mess with the paranoia level considering they'll catch on and become suspicious. Then you can start taking players aside even when you have nothing to say to them; just for shits and giggles.

>>7426877
Holy shit, why haven't I thought of this?

>Though it can be fun to mess with the paranoia level considering they'll catch on and become suspicious.
Thats the general idea.
>Then you can start taking players aside even when you have nothing to say to them; just for shits and giggles.
You magnificent bastard. I may very well do that.

>>7426877
>>7426529
1. Combine these.
2. Mindfuck players
3. ?????
4. PROFIT!

>>7426529
So how do you plan on actually doing it?

How will you turn players without the others noticing?

>One's actions drives the plot for the other about every other time we play.
YES!

>should i have my groups meet?
NO!

Well, at least not unless you have plans for when characters die or you're willing to somehow appease both sets of players with compromise.

You gotta have a plan or multiple plans, man.

>>7426913
well i can't claim full credit, half my group wanted to hunter, the other half wanted to play vampire. So used the setting i was going to anyway, (grimdarkened Seattle) and the vampires had a breach of masquerade and now are responsible for about a third of my hunters' missions. the hunter's are a buddy cop pair hilarity ensues.

>>7426947
Well, It involves knowing my group, and using some reverse psychology on them. My group actually has a zombie plan, and since they are playing as themselves, I'm sure they will probably execute it as soon as shit hits the fan (they already know that its a horror system, so they might not even wait that long)

I know where they will be and what they will be doing, and they will need to make supply runs, so I plan on doing a single session with each player, inbetween the 2nd and 3rd sessions, asking them to be the "spy" of the group, and then turning them and giving them an order, that will conflict and cause tension with another player. Then start the 3rd session after a time skip of a few days, where each player has been turned, but none of them know the others are turned, or spy's yet.

>>7426986
>grimdarkened Seattle
Don't necessarily make it more of a hell hole (not saying much for seattle) Just have it be regular old seattle. except there are vampires.

Have it be as close to real world as possible, or 5 minutes into the future when vampires decide to start attacking... or whatever your doing in the campaign.

But make it as real as you can, it just makes it that miuch more disturbing for the players.

>>7427006
... So, this is basically going to be a simulation for how well the zombie plan will work? And how well they will deal with the stress of isolation/different goals/unprotected solo supply runs?

Sounds pretty cool.

We should have a WoD ambience music thread.

>>7427055
i kept it pretty much as is, except caught in a drug war, between mages and vampires. the cops have been drafted into task force: Valkyrie to cut the supernatural powerbase from underneath it.

>>7427087
So is it alternate history? or 5 minutes into the future? I find the latter to have more of an effect on the players, but the former easier to roleplay/handwave.

>>7427085
Post what you got, I don't have any and could sure use it.

Man, are you telling me that I missed /tg/ being full of WoD threads? /tg/ is never full of WoD threads.

Also OP, take it in stride, now you are in the know about three of the more popular gaming worlds that come up on /tg/

>>7427085

Go for it.

>>7427122

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCOaHFepDLw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMFiwSTIHKk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7vqMrgNrY

(Not really ambience, but the lyrics fit Changeling:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk0oczVAUs8

5 minutes into the future,


>>7427085
can't have a vampire game without music from bloodlines,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSqVbywt9kw

>>7427130
I know, I like these systems (also found out about M&M the same way, a few months back that was all anyone was talking about, then it just vanished after a few day's.)

But yeah. It just annoyed me that this isn't the first time. I love the systems and am glad I found out about it.

>>7427130

One day I remember there being about 3 WoD threads on the front page. I thought I crossed over into negative /tg/ where edition "wars" were peaceable discussions and there were no fetish thread. Then I saw something about dragon porn and realized It was all a dream.

>>7427179
Actually C:tL has about 1 thread a day, but its usually at night.

went to go archive the thread for epic campaign ideas and awesome music.

already archived.

>Spy: The Backstabbing
Starts out as a rage thread, but turns into an awesome campaign where each player has conflicting objectives, but must grudgingly work with the others to fulfill it. Oh, and each player is secretly working with the ST to screw over the others, without them knowing.

>>7427214
>>7427214
>grudgingly
The whole point is no one know anyone else's objectives. It would only be Grudgingly if they had to do something against their goal, but couldn't say anything because it would reveal their identity.

Other then that sounds about right, Wish they managed to get something about the music in there though. Oh well.

Depending on the game is depending on the music.

I ran a game of hunter with an STPC who ran a pirate radio station from the back of a chopped and rigged school bus. It was mobile to prevent detection. He was mostly just a plot device when the PCs were stuck. They could tune in to hear a coveniently relevant interview with a prominent Hunter or paranormal expert that might help them in what they were doing... or they could just listen to the music he was playing.

I'd leave it on weren't they weren't near a radio, in game, though. I would turn it down, however.

>>7427214
Sounds like Paranoia.

Are there any races/classes/whatever they are called, that would be unbalanced and create problems in the group?

Not that that would be a problem in a campaign like this, but would prefer it be as balanced as possible. Or at least know who beats who at elemental rock paper scissors, so i can change their objectives to match them.

>>7427332
Vampires and mages kill everything everywhere.

>>7427332
Wait, is it new or old world of darkness?

oWoD is unbalanced as fuck. nWoD should be good enough for a mixed party, but it really depends on the build. But since its more story based then combat based, it should be fine.

Plus the characters are all spies, give the weaker player those fudged rolls you promised :P

Probe: the Sleeping
Players are sleeper agents for a variety of conflicting alien empires that have their eyes on earth.
None of them want to touch the planet because of all the weird shit happening.
They gravitate together to reduce the urge to catalogue and calculate every conceivable outcome from events they see.
PCs range from automatons in black suits to skin-wearing masses of tentacles to travelling thought patterns.
Basically, Alternity meets WoD.

>>7427332

No cross templating. Just don't allow it, even though it isn't possible for the most part. Certain supernaturals will start out more powerful than others (like Mages) but each of these groups has a strength. A lowly Vampire can be physically and mystically bested by nearly everything but they have more numbers and resources than other supernaturals. They're more likely to use humans to their advantage.

So, if any of you plays feel like a third wheel, then remind them of what they have to work with and how they exploit their strengths more.

>>7427391
WE NEAD A HOMEBREW NAO!
>>7427389
nWoD.

>>7427360

Except Sin-Eaters.

Because Sin-Eaters can't die.

>>7427447
Elaborate.

>>7427436
The whole point is to keep the others thinking your human. Balance is only for when shit hits the fan.

What? He's a vampire, he is trying to betray us! *shoots lightning*
What? He's a mage, he is trying to betray us!
*turns full werewolf*
What? He's a werewolf...etc.

>>7427391

Can be done with Changeling. It just normally isn't (unless i'm playing).

>>7427488
Blast, I thought I had a decent idea for once.
It'd be more around superscience and unreliable alien tech, though...
Maybe hybridise it with Genius?

>>7427479

Sin-Eaters are bonded with a Geist, a powerful ghost-spirit thing, which brings them back from the dead in return for letting the Geist ride around in the sin-eater's head.

When a sin-eater "dies" the Geist does its mojo, transfers the death onto some random person and the Sin-Eater is brought back to life the next mornng. That random person dies in the same manner as the SE would have. It might be someone the SE knows or even loves, or it could just be some random Afghan.

There's another cost though. Each time he's resurrected, the Sin-Eater loses one point of Synergy and two points of maximum synergy. Synergy being the Morality-equivalent for SE's and representing the relationship between a SE and his Geist. When it reaches 0 the Geist can take complete control of the Sin-Eater and go on a fucking death-kill rampage.

>>7427558
You also lose a maximum dot of Synergy PERMANENTLY. So if you've died and been brought back once since becoming Bound, you can NEVER get to Synergy 10

>>7427558
Couldn't a Mage just dissolve the Geist with Spirit/Death?

>>7427530

That sounds like a plan, actually.

It's funny because I actually homebrewed an Alien: the Visitation (Encounter) before C:tL was even considered about abducted humans who were genetically altered by extraterrestrials to be their emmisaries on earth. Upon their return, though, their human minds resurface and they're stuck in these inhuman forms (which were concealed by tech).

I raged a bit when Changeling came out. But then I realized I'd just run my C:tL games like that.

>>7427601

Probably not. They're practically demi-gods of death.

>>7427601

Book of the Dead says its possible for mages to manipulate Geists, but they need something like the number of necessary dots in two kinds of magic. I don't know about dissolving, though.

>>7427673
And an Archmaster of Spirit can create spirits with the 'lesser god' rank.

>>7427711

And Archmaster of Spirit would also recognize the metaphysical remifications of destroying a Geist and not attempt it in the first place.

I realize Mages can do fucking anything and got more asspull going for them than a 5 year old's imaginary friend but there's a difference between can, would and should that alot of Mage plays don't factor into anything at all.

>>7427772
Sorry.

>>7427772
>Mage
>'Should Not'
...
Isn't that kind of the point?

>>7427856

Yeah, it is, which is why I like the spirit (no pun intended) of Mage and what it seeks to accomplish as a game. Now if only I met someone who played it like that instead of powergaming mary sues who want to blow up the universe, I wouldn't have a problem. /rant

Sorry about that. It's hair-trigger topic with me I really shouldn't have brought it into this thread.

>>7427856

Well, fine. You drop one. The others find out(They ALL find out). You are now number one on the shitlist. Have a nice day......

>>7427897
I want to play a Mage so I can fight the supernatural with magical Bruce Lee Kung-fu. The rest, I'm not so fussed about.

>>7427919
guy running the campaign here, that wasn't me. In fact i haven't been here for about 10 minutes because is was eating lunch.

>>7427897
>>7427919
In mean the decision about whether or not you should do it.
Most other games, it's about whether you CAN do it.
Mage assumes that you have a pretty good chance if you know enough to consider doing it.

>>7427977
>haven't been here in ten minutes
>saying im not the guy that posted 10 minutes ago.
God damnit...

>>7427947
Obrimos, focus on forces, adamantine hand. Be a living flame haulass with your cutting blows, fling your enemies through the air and turn them into comets with friction knife. But I think that would give you a million paradox points per turn.

>>7427994
Don't worry, that was just bad timing.

>>7428019
And shout lightning.

>>7427977

Heh. I was not saying it WAS you. I simply wanted to know what a mage would do when zerg rushed by LOTS of near gods.

>>7428076
I ... guess he'd either die, or be prepared enough to take a hike and retaliate terribly.

>>7428061
>>7428019
:(

>>7428076
Or any supernatural for that matter. Which again, is the idea.

The players are aware that the others might be supernatural now also, so if they reveal their identity it could cause a race war with their friends. Not fun.

And if they don't think the others are all supernaturals, then telling everyone would get them lynched.

So in any situation, you wouldn't be able to say "Lol im a Mage/Vampire/Werewold/Changling/whatever the fuck i'm supposed to be/etc. do what i say because im stronger" because they will be outnumbered.

>>7428112

Normally, /tg/ has ridiculous master plans. It's...comforting to see, for once, it does not.

>>7428170
Well if shits hit the fan, and you wont get out of it alive anyway, might as well just start casting in front of humans.

If your going down, so is the rest of reality.

>>7426439
we ALL know ALL the systems.

you're at fault for trying to learn them from us.

>>7428150

Well, it's flat out wrong in this case. Yes, you can cast a spell that deals with A ghiest. But, how much power will that suck from you? And there are MANY more of them.

>>7428204
This thread went from a metathread raging about systems, to an epic backstabbing campaign, to awesome music for WoD, to Supernaturals being the underdogs for once.

I love you /tg/ to make a shit thread like this epic... I really do love you.

>>7428200

Paradox tends to be bad for YOU, and you only. there are a few effects that will harm others, but, it's mostly abyssal effects, and that will not harm anything but mages.

>>7428214
Obviously, you need to package the effect somehow and make bombs that pin the crime on another.
DEATH HATES YOU NOW

We just overpowered a Mage. Good job /tg/ whats next?

Crippling the worlds economy?

OH WAIT!

Where will I get my magical Bruce Lee kung fu now? Don't say Exalted.

So, since i haven't gotten to the different supernatural books yet, Do they work in tiers, with mages being fucking powerful and everything else goes down from their, or is it elemental rock paper scissors. where giest beats mage, mage beats vamp, vamp beats giest (or whatever it is)?

>>7428261
I guess the Mage's best chance is to be paranoid and prepare some kind of teleportation spell with huge potency via ritual casting and stall it with Time 2, so he can use it with the snap of a finger later, should he survive the first round of combat.

>>7428341
As I said, an Obrimos with focus on Forces and Fighting Style: Adamantine Hand.

>>7428390

Humm. Well, if he's dumb enough to get all of the gheasts on him, that's a good delying tactic, but will not save him.

>>7428425
Apparently that cripples me with my own magical awesome, though.

>>7428478
Well, if he has encountered his enemies before and manages to run away from them he can use the sympathetic bond to cast his spells on them from the other side of the world. However, I haven't read into Sin-Eaters yet, so I have no idea what those gheasts are and what they can do, so I'm only speculating.

>>7428494
Actually just the 5th dot is worth it. Grapple your enemies and deal 1 point of aggravated damage per success with your generic spell, without having to fear Paradox. Even without that, Forces can make your fists deal lethal damage and hit people over a distance.

>>7428611

Think...just a half step down from a god of death. And they don't need to worry about paradox.

>>7427087
TIRGGER DISCIPLINE fucking bitch...

>>7428662
Well, do they have stats?

>>7428717

No. They don't.

>>7427156
needs moar Ministry.

>>7428750
Then he's of course going to loose, I mean geez.
A Seer might have a chance, if his masters really, really wuv him and give him an Ochematum as a body-guard, but that's Unstatted vs. Unstatted, and therefor the ST's decision.

i always saw supernaturals as depending on the situation one trumps all,
Mage: with planning and on their terms, nothing can beat a mage,
Werewolf: if both are surprised wolves have a sizable advantage in shapechange and regeneration.
Vampire: Easy to manipulate and backstab
Promethean: no one likes prometheans, shit sucks for them.
Changeling: great at making your life damn miserable.

>>7428806
Aren't Prommies good meatshields without having to burn their Pyros the same way a were burns their Essence, or something?

>>7428886
I'm pretty sure they are better meatshields than Werewolves.

>>7428806
mages: tasty snacks
vampires: burn in furnaces, VAMPIRE RAUS

>>7426439

/tg/ hates you simple

>>7428903
never really played Promethean, (or done more than skim the book for that matter) just had a DMPC one in a mixed game that the ST made us hate because disquiet, also i hated it because it was an awful character.

>>7428971
I'm just getting familiar with them, thinking about running a Promethean game set in the time of the downfall of the East India Company.

>>7428903

Hell, the prommie core book has a frankenstein going toe-to-toe with a werewolf and winning. Fuckers are tanks.

>>7429027
Clearly a movie reference, there.

>>7429027
ever try biting a 45 lb weight plate?

prometheans are assholes

One trick Prometheans can do is rig their car so that there are wires to shock the driver. Then they can just shoot out the window or whatever. That lets them heal and regain pyros every round. The downside is that their disfigurements will show the whole time, and drive EVERYONE WHO SEES THEM PERMANENTLY INSANE.

>>7428971

Alot of people have a hard time dealing with Disquiet as the rules say it's only a gradual malaise while the fluff makes it seem alot more troublesome.

Just out of curiousity, not dick-fencing here: What arcana would a Mage need to affect a promethean? Are they human enough to affect with life?

>>7429045

Definitely but it gives you a clear idea of a Promeathean's power.

>>7429058
Prommies are mostly harmless to werewolves, though... until disquiet sets in. This is the one time I really support Mages because they have ways of fending off disquiet and would make excellent allies to Prometheans.

>>7429099
Yeah, you just need life.

>>7429110
Vamps and weres are fine allies to prometheans, since disquiet only makes them have a harder time not RAGING.

>>7429110
Curious: Did you think I was meaning Van Helsing?

I wasn't even thinking of that, eh.

>>7429135

Yeah, it was more for my personal taste than anything. When I do corssover games it's typically between only two supernaturals. Usually it's a Geist/Hunter or Changeling/Hunter game but a Promethean/Mage game would be cool.

>>7429143

Sorry but I went with the obvious Frankenstein vs The Wolfman.

>>7429257
Great. That's what I thought of too, and I'm glad it wasn't taken for Van Helsing. Stay classy, horror bro.

>>7429284

I hated Van Helsing. I thought it would be more dedicated to classic horror but turned into a bad nWoD crossover game.

>>7426439

For my aforementioned Indian Revolution Prommie game, I'll probably represent the human supernatural interests with groups of hunters and mages (natives) and a genius or geniuses (British Raj). I'll be trying to start it up over IRC, so if anyone fancies it give me your email and I'll give you a buzz in a few weeks.

So anyother ideas for the campaign?

>>7429445
What campaign?

>>7426529
that one

>>7429406
What time zone are you in?

>>7429563
GMT. Players would be playing Prometheans, to clarify. Just pointing interactions as per some of the comments above.

>>7429406

>Promethean game set in India

horrorwolf.jpg

>Everyone's an untouchable

>>7429575
Although, in fact, I need to go now so posting that was silly. Downtime killed my free time. Get in touch at mountain.king@live.co.uk if you are interested, a couple of IRC games I was interested in fell through so I have time to spare right now, and I'm using it to finally jump on nWoD.

>>7429583
Could be, but there's also easy facility for constant travel even while interacting with humans. The reason it's going to be set in the revolutions is it should be interesting to see how the desire to become human progresses with the intense human violence, oppression and discrimination occuring.

>>7429621

It's certainly an interesting setting and a rarely used one at that. I know almost nothing about that region during that time.

I wouldn't even know what kind of character to make.

Playing Promethean is a rare treat for me so I'm never quite as prepare with character concepts as I am with something like Changeling and Hunter.