Viral Marketing?

>>9653131

Homebrew, dude. /tg/ home grown gaming goodness.

>>9653131

Nope, some Anon's homebrew system/setting based on Jet Set Radio and Air Gear. Pretty cool stuff, it's been worked on for the last 3-4 days.

I cannot fucking wait for this game to hit playtesting.
I just wish I wasn't the only DM who would run it in my area. I want to play...

>>9653176

I might be running it online, on the sup/tg/ server, if you're cool with that.

>>9653086
how close is the alpha to being finished, should i wait for a compiled version?

I'm thinking of making an awesome splat for other sports.

I was waiting for one of these to show up. I'm a bit busy with a drawthread right now, but I threw together some crew logos while reading the archived stuff earlier.

Not quite finalized.

fuckyeah VeloCITY thread

I think the game is going to require some extensive modifications for me to get the campaign type I want, but it still looks like it should be awesome.

>>9653190

The original stated goal was the end of the week, but I'm not sure where we are on the schedule at the moment. I Think most of the basic rules are done, and its tricks etc which are being worked on.

>>9653188
Sounds good bro. It's been forever since I was on IRC, much less sup/tg/ E-mail me when you decide start up.

>>9653245

Noted and saved. I'll ping you when the alpha comes through.

So we've pretty much had a VeloCITY thread up and running continuously since Monday?

This is us at our best, taking an idea and making something out of it. I just wish we could hit this groove a bit more often, or develop our idea further when we do. This is something that's going to be COMPLETED and that's not a mark we hit all that often.

Did Nothing Man get anything more done on the Velo map since last night?

Finished my uni dissertation today which means I can get down to doing some VeloCITY art. Loving this setting. Can't wait to see the alpha.

>>9653285

Agreed. This is /tg/ living up to our reputation- Getting Shit Done.

>>9653285

Last time we really hit our stride like this was 8-bit Dystopia which was what, back in November?

Feels good, /tg/, feels good.

>>9653275
Fuck year, you know I love you, right?

>>9653285
Yeah, last time we hit something like this was Server Crash, and that died out pretty hard because no one was willing to really stick to the crunch. This one looks like it might be more successful.

>>9653285
It's because he is posting things as they're made, and /tg/ is helping him out alot. Look at the Pokemon Pnp, another system that's getting done. It's mostly kept under wraps with only occasional updates to what's going on. It's all about what leave of community involvement and alteration to your original idea you want.

also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBeR7Uceme8

>>9653318

Ah, Server Crash.

It didn't get its own crunch, no, but a few folks pointed out you could run it in Don't Rest Your Head pretty fantastically, with only minor rulesmods. I think the actual notes necessary where in one of the later archived threads.

>>9653318

I think the rules lite nature of the game is helping in that regard.

That and the fluff is just BRILLIANT so far. Some of the character concepts and gang ideas are just excellent.

Shit, seeing good art makes me feel bad now.

Also

>>9653192

Want me to vector some of these ANG?

TL NOTE: vélo is French for bicycle.

>>9653340

Yeah I think it helps that there's someone in control co-ordinating things. /tg/'s like the ultimate support crew, the literal infinite monkeys, but without someone taking charge we tend not to get stuff done.

>>9653377

Yeah, gawd bless nothing man. He's really been putting the hours in for this.

Although apparently his sex dreams are turning into roller blading dreams halfway through. He might need to recuperate for a bit after the alpha...

>>9653377
>the ultimate support crew, the proverbial infinite monkeys
STOP USING "LITERALLY" WRONG.

>>9653308
Well, to be honest, the guy who's developing this particular one is more active here than just about any I've seen. Usually there's a couple threads where someone uses us as a sounding board, and then he fucks off to go playtest it for weeks before we get an update, and the cycle repeats.

>>9653406
>Although apparently his sex dreams are turning into roller blading dreams halfway through.
that's hilarious.

It probably helps that he's amazing at photoshop, too.

>>9653190
Idea for an alt setting non-core books. Velocity: Ice In Your Boots (snow-based stuff, skis replace skates, snowboards replace skateboards, snowmobiles(person powered somehow??) replace bikes, and people on feet become even more rock-climbing based. Velocity: This Side of the Law, the real motorized vehicles and the "law-enforcers" that use them, lets you play the "bad guys" for a bit.

>>9653458

He also responds and includes ideas as we post them. Nothing is better then seeing an idea get added, and having the creator acknowledge it.

Also, the fact the hardworking bastard is making the pages and stuff as well.

>>9653425

I've done some homebrew in my time, on /tg/ and off, and I agree Nothing Man is more active than most, although he's also tapped into the collective spirit of /tg/ better than others (Myself included), and I really can't nail down how he did it. Perhaps its just that good of an idea?

>>9653354

Feel free.

Hey! a thread on VELOcity started by someone BESIDES Nothing Man, ZONEbro, or me! Sweet!

personally id like to see a mention of "the Burners" from burnout, since theyre (somwhat) in the same style of over the top obscene speed. athough from what i hear VeloCITY suffers from quite the traffic problem

>>9653488

I think it's a good idea that sort of hits a sweet spot. It's not a completely radical idea, we've all played games like JSR or done a bit ourselves, yet it's open enough we've been able to take it in our own direction.

>>9653488
Well, he's combining JSR, Tony Hawk, Mirror's Edge, and BMX shit into one game, all in JSRF's atmosphere. I personally loved JSR and Mirror's Edge. Add in that he's got a certain flair for page design and it does make for a compelling thing.

>>9653533

Actually, this thread was me. I'm just somewhat schizophrenic when it comes to names, switching pretty often and going as anon most of the time.

>>9653571
goddammit...

>>9653488
perhaps it's because he's willing to tackle game mechanics. most of the other homebrews I've seen here die because no one will touch the game mechanics at all.

>>9653472
Pretty much i wanted to get something in for the various kind of surfing snowboarding and other extreme sports.

I was also thinking on working on "Mean Streets" for street racing, crime and police operations.

Here's a somewhat official in construction version of Velo's town map - just where the zones are. Nothing Man has changed the locations of a few of the zones in his official version (so this isn't completely accurate, but I don't have his version). Also, I don't think he ever added the locations by Big Town, like anything on Central Climb.

Any comments or suggestions?

>>9653608
True, the fluff is the easy part, Nothing man actually puts most of his time into the math! guys a fucking trooper!

>>9653630

Yeah, I keep forgetting. We need to Fluff a cool light-house!

>>9653655

As far as I know the center island is unoccupied. That would be a neat (if useless) location for a lighthouse.

>>9653673
the islands supposed to be artificial right? it could be vestigial, from the islands construction (or possibly from before)

>>9653673
That island seems like a center point to the whole city. I think it should be used as something to unify the city or the gangs. That or make it a center point of control for the police forces.

>>9653655

Should be absoklutely enormous, almost ludicrously so. The stairs have been coverted into an enormous spiral ramp, filled with jumps, pipes, grindrails. The top of the lighthouse is a real punk hangout, where gangs gather to have a good time and watch the sun go down without trouble or even watch the occasional base jumper take the plunge of the top. Finally the slightly sloping sides of the lighthouse also make one of the most insane drop ins in the city.

>>9653472
Metal slides, edges are carved, ice crunches under heavy boots. Winds roar, glare blinds, and wilderness surrounds us all. On days like this, Mountains can Sing.

Welcome to SNOW Fall.

>>9653740

A lighthouse would be as good a place as any to have punk meetings, but I don't like the idea of there being some governing body ruling over them. They're too anarchistic to have their own governing body set up. It should just be left as The Balance keeping records and assigning ranks to punks.

>>9653813

I think a lot of the organisation of the punks will be left up to the MC.

The setting is pretty good for modularity so far actually, most of it can be left out if you don't like it.

I'm sorry but whats this?

>>9653852
good point, but part of VELOcity is that it takes place in (specifically) VELO city. If the MC want's to change the setting they can but there's nothing wrong with us setting it up already.

>>9653939

Sort of a tabletop Jet Set Radio Future.

>>9653939

This, my friend, is VeloCITY.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Jet%20Set%20Radio

>>9653852

There was a cool idea in the previous thread, of a three part informal punk heirachy.

A group of the seven major gang leaders, plus a representative of Balance, a group of the champions of the various tournaments, and a single supreme ace of each discipline, often recognized by one of the two former bodies. It made some sense, although it seems like that thread wasn't archived.

>>9653979

Yeah. I liked the idea of the Aces, but I think it would be better if The Balance went to other gangs, rather than gangs going to them. They aren't really a major force, they're just the organizers of everything.

>>9653749
Takes place on some big icy foresty island farther north of Velo City. A huge spread out town called Snow. The main enemy in this game wouldn't be the police it would be the environment itself and maybe at some point you gotta stop poachers or something.

>>9654044
Ah I got it rich oil tycoons and lumber-mills want to start drilling and cutting down the trees screwing up shit in Snow. The player's main job is to stop the FALL of SNOW.

>>9654024

Sort of. It's closer to the fact that The Balance has the info to do just about anything. That, and their members tend to be gang leaders or better at what they do. And are possibly backed by police.

But you are right in that they don't do a whole lot. They're basically the government, and make sure things don't go to far.A very powerful force, but also one that does not make the first move against any gang. Course, if you try to attack them, they got the power to tear you apart.

>>9654118
sounds to me like the Balance is...
unbalanced

There should also be a Miami-like place down south. Punks on jetskis, scuba gear, paragliders...

>>9654211

It's like that already.

>>9654024
Balence's role in the "Punk Council" (better name needed) was more along the lines of a mediator than a Chairman. They're their to ensure everyone gets their say and it doesn't just turn into one massive fight

>>9654211
Velo isn't a resort, kid
not a place you want to raise your kids

>>9654211

I just saw that as part of VeloCITY, say round the docks.

so... what should the main transportation of Velo be?
like public transportation? for runners, caught in the rain!

Oh look, I don't have to make a thread.

I'll post up pages I've got so far- 1 or 2 of them are heavy work-in-progresses

>>9654232

For the council how about, 'The Board'

Keeping the gangs in line, making sure the balance is held between sticking it to the greys, keeping order, but not bringing down the attention of the man too hard.

>>9654270
Busses would work, but a massive metro line could be pretty good for some insane stunts too.

>>9654238

That's why an expansion is needed.

>>9654271
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0PUUEQ3J
here's the .rar

>>9654238

It's actually not that bad, assuming you don't care about living an incredibly bland life. The punks just do what they do because everything is so goddamn boring, gray, and bland.

>>9654232

There shouldn't even be a punk council, it should just The Balance mediating, and they shouldn't even be that impressive. They aren't one of the major gangs. Why would anarchists practice self rule?

>>9654271
OUR FEARLESS LEADER!

>>9654280

Metro line, for sure. Tagging the subway cars should be a rite of passage for most gangs.

I'm pretty much done taking fluff at this point- I don't want the system to get weighed down by all of this stuff, MCs can individually cherry pick what extra ideas they want to put in.

>>9654279

I like The Board for the gang leader group.

How about the tournament champions and the aces?

Why wont someone hurry up and invent powered Blades already?

>>9654270

Should be trolleys, like San Francisco, rackety old buses, grey boring cabs. Maybe a huge monorail systems as well. Possibly a subway, maybe.

>>9654320
They exist, in two forms:

Battery (has a set charge, becomes normal after a while)
Dynamo (Gains charge every tile you move, but only provides short bursts)

Yo Nothing, glad to see you about. How've you been?

I'm glad I've got VeloCITY to focus on, since the early results from the election are not at all promising.

I still need to work on the movement example- any ideas on what the GGs should try to do in just a single turn?

>>9654299

"Why are we bothering to go to these meetings boss? We're da Noise! We don't listen to nobody and we're gonna take over the whole city one day."

"Idiot! We listen to those gits because they say so, and they'll telll everyone else. We ain't gonna get any more good shredders in our dinky little piece of turf. We gotta get our name known, and those assholes on the Board will spread it if we present ourselves."

"But boss! Why? Why not just go for it and ignore them?"

"You git. Don't you get it? We're gonna get famous through them. The pigs won't pay attention to us, but the Board will. And when we become big in their eyes, we'll be big in the eyes of everyone who matters."

>>9654321
Only just read this one- Trolleys and a metro work perfectly, monorail too.

and I still need a picture for Bikers. Shouild probably be one of The Inspired, leather-and-denim types, other than that they mostly wear brand gear.

>>9654402

If I remember right, Central Heights has a pretty extensive rail system. Speaking of which, any updates on the map?

>Not hex-based grids for a movement-based game

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>9654373
yoyo should wallride and stop Beat should move straight ahead fullspeed and gum should use a trick to gain height

>>9654397
think they would have a meeting house?
like a giant scrap yard or something (Velo's got to keep it's crap somewhere)

>>9654340
I meant in real life

You could do so many amazing maneuvers if you werent using most of your energy for propulsion.

>>9654438
Hex is good and all for big, tactical games.

But how many fucking hexagonal buildings do you see in real life?

>>9654438
a game made for online play doesnt use hex grids

AMG GAEM BRAKING PROBLEM

>>9654447

Carver Canon is a partially flooded, abandoned industrial complex.

>>9654447

Haven't given it much thought.

I always just imagined The Balance calling it somewhere, getting a pizza or two, and they have the meeting in some relatively neutral place. I actually kinda liked the idea of it being a small place in The Balances very minor turf used for that reason exactly.

And here's my only-partly complete version of the map

Maybe The Balance can operate at a lighthouse in the center of the city, who also help run Starting Line (they're both pretty much the same thing anyways). It can be sort of a neutral ground for everyone.

I just made of a quickly drawn map of what I thought the island would look like (man made, so not TOO natural) as well as some sections.

>>9654470
If you're using realistic (ish) movement with momentum and turn radius and stuff, hexes flow much better than squares do. Obviously this is my opinion, and obviously it's your game, I just thought I'd give some (somewhat) constructive criticism.

Also, just because it's a hex grid doesn't mean there can't be square buildings...

is there full & ready version of VeloCITY ?

>>9654507
oh....you already have a map :(

>>9654432
>>9654413

The tricks are all the same. Does that mean skill lists still need a lot of work/ideas?

>>9654575
I suppose. I always figured squares are alright because 8 degrees of movement > 6

But that's just like, my opinion, man.

>>9654595
No it means I was a lazy cockbite and I just copypasted everything from the runner page to the biker page to edit from there

It's one of the pages that needs work.

>>9654579
I plan to have it done before sunday.

>>9654432
>>9654413
I have a bug to report... you might wanna reread the Biker page....

>>9654610
ah, nvm

>>9654599
Oh, I see, so diagonal movement is the same distance as vertical/horizontal movement? I didn't grasp that from the movement rules that I read above. If that's the case, then you should be just fine with a square grid... HOWEVER, I should also point out that it means that square buildings in the square grid will also technically be round, I believe.

I just want to say I'm nitpicking for your benefit (and maybe a little for my own self-gratitude), if I bring these things up now you won't have to think about them later.

>>9654503
I can see a bunch of punks sitting around an amphitheater for trials or meetings regarding the police or something that threatens all gangs. Romanticized gangs deserve romanticized brotherhood/organization to a degree. Or they could be a bit less.... congressional.

>>9654633

Maybe you can use a style point or whatever to do a trick where you skirt the corner really close. Fail you smack into the wall.

>>9654668
That could make a good rule. It would encourage skating AROUND (AKA one square UP, one square OVER) a more attractive option in a pinch than just going THROUGH the corner (AKA one square diagonally), and would appropriately simulate "corners" in this grid format.

>>9654320
I've tried to work out the energy/gear necessary to make Air Treks.

It's theoretically possible, if you can invent a hyper-efficient flywheel to go into each wheel, along with shocks, a motor, and other stuff, but it would be prohibitively expensive to manufacture, along with being vastly inferior to the Manga's Air Trek.

>>9654824
So it's a niche product whose main market is poor people that you can only sell to rich people

Fucking wonderful

>>9654846
Its nice to dream though, isn't it?

Breakdown of bare-bones necessary components to get even halfway to Air Gear ATs:

-Wind-based flywheels in Wheels (to generate energy from wind)
-Storage cells to store energy generated by flywheels
-High miniaturized/efficient motor to process energy from flywheels
-High efficient shock absorbers that can take the impact of falling from heights (same goes for wheels).

And that's just off the top of my head. I can probably think of more, given time.

>>9654921
Also, even though the motor and flywheels are necessary components, they may or may not be violating a law of thermodynamics (since the energy is being cycled through the motor to propel the wheels, which are now turning faster due to increased power from the motors which generates more wind passing over the flywheel/power being distributed to the motor... yeah.)

bump. I didn't mean to kill the thread with my breakdown of the science behind Air Trek ;_;

>>9654507
I still think Carver Canyon makes no sense being where it is, as it doesn't have a river, its just a gap between two islands

It'd be nice to see some drawfags do some characters and scenery for this, but it seems there aren't any here.

>>9655199

Carver Canyon has a river running through it that's dammed at one end. Or something along those lines.

>>9655221
Which is another problem. Where it is now, there's no dam, just two bridges.

>>9655162
You killed our dreams, so you killed the thread.

Murderer.

>>9655235

Those are the dams.

>>9655235
well
canyons on islands are generally a no go
definitely one that divides the island from coast to coast
If you are willing to put forth suspension of disbelief for that, ok, but I don't see a river running through it.

>>9655243
DAMS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

Fuck it, let's just post the original text.

Carver Canyon - A once bustling industrial area, now rusting into ruin in the bottom of an insanely steep-sided valley, Carver Canyon is full of rusting decaying old factories and warehouses. Various ledges, loading docks, railings, and overhead cables provide plenty of opportunity for old-oldschool street action, and a surprising number of decaying buildings provide easy access to the rooftops.
Up the walls of the canyon are a variety of steep hills and winding switchbacks, barely ever used by cars any more. Some of the gaps are killer, literally, jumping from one switchback to the next over a few hundred feet of empty air. Massive speed is easy to gain here on the hills, and easy to lose if you're steering's not so good.
At the head of Carveer Canyon are the Carver Falls, a massive dam turned artificial waterfall created to tame the river that flowed through the canyon. It's now home to some of the most insane drop-ins, if you're willing to risk the possibility of taking a swim in the shopping-cart infested waters at the foot of the falls if you screw up.

>>9655280
There's a large number of hills and a volcano. The Carver River should run down from there.

>>9655291
Why no fill up the area around the left of Carver Canyon with land and have that area at a higher elevation then the rest of the island. That was Carver canyon used to be Carver lake and the dam faced towards the rest of the city will make more sense.

>JSR/AirGear Styling
>realistic

does not match

>>9655309
I pictured a wedge cut out of a cliff with clay walls and rusting dump trucks
sort of like a construction site, but it opens to the ocean
of course, that doesn't make any sense.

>>9655291
They could be water locks for river shipping.

>>9655364

I pictured a dam blocking off one edge of the river, with Carver Canyon located below it. Of course, this also doesn't make any sense, as there would have to be two dams on both sides, so there wouldn't be in a river in it at all. I'm not sure how it should work.

>>9655344
>>9655313
hmmm
something's sort of going off here
if it's a man made island, how are there volcanoes and hills and rivers?
I had originally pictured it as an island that was entirely urbanized (why would you build more then you need?), with carver canyon something akin to a failed mining pit, build to try and dredge some more money out of the city, but it flooded in at uncontrollable levels so they abandoned it and didn't bother to clean up their mess, leaving the water to have filled it up partially, but I dunno.

>>9655309
That description brings this image to mind. Black is the mountain roads, Brown is cliffs, green is whatever is on top of the cliffs, dark gray is the dam/falls, blue is the water, with lighter blue being down in the canyon, grey blocks are abandoned factories

>>9655458
that's how I saw it, but where does the river drain to?

Right, luckily my dad is an engineer so I talked to him- the actual self-powered mechanism is obviously impossible for things like ATs and such- but if you want to get technical, you COULD replicate ATs in of the sense that they they're normal skates unless you turn on their functionality, in which case the power built up from (motion of the wheels, wind power, etc) would be released for, depending on the quality of whatever kind of capacitor (I'd say a virus-block type) this near-future science would have, you could get a fair amount of time being boosted along by the built-up energy if you spent a lot of time rolling around beforehand

Or, hey, we could say 'nanites' and be done with it.

>>9655483
At the top up in the mountains, it would be where the water pools.

At the bottom, it would run through the middle of the city getting slower and wider until is passes under the Carver Bridge and out to sea

Okay, how about this?

>>9655506
(somehow)

>>9655506
impossible. the water's at sea level on both sides.

>>9655443

The "volcano" isn't. It's just the product of some disaster that caused a huge explosion in molten metal and stuff that formed the mountain. Yeah, I don't really know, but it's cool looking.

I wish i had aclose group of friends to play with.

Whats the basis of the game? Mirrors edge/Jet grind hybrid? Runners with skates?

>>9655495
...So how close was I to actual science, from an engineering standpoint? I'd like to know his opinion on my assessment of ATs =D

>>9655528
I thought the original Mt. Vulcan was just a huge pile of scrap and shit, wasn't it?

Why does Carver Canyon have to be there at all. The islands a big place. Just shift it onto the island.

Make the narrow gap between the islands a different zone, lots of shabby floating houses and boat markets in the channelbottom, soaring cliff faces, interesting caves (maybe some of them converted to skateparks) dozens of rail bridges pipes, wires and zip lines crossing the gap in the skies above. We can have two canyonesque areas.

Guys, easy solution found:

Take this map:
>>9654507
Move Mt Vulcan to other side of Newtown
Put Carver Dam/Falls where Little Venice is now.
Move Carver Canyon on river below falls
Move Little Venice to where Carver Canyon was.

SIMPLES

>>9655585
I don't think we're getting that detailed yet!
but I agree, move it parallel with the coast

>>9655585

Because the islands have feels to them, you know? The northern island is a mix between the projects, the inner city, and the suburbs. The southwest is the oldest, most rundown part of the city, largely abandoned by the rest of society. The southeast is the new, uptown part, with the shopping malls and skyscrapers.

also, how about this?

Alright, let's say this: An extremely profitable good was found under carver canyon, and the dams and land were built around it- the material was the entire reason Velo Island was created, and Mt. Vulcan is a secondary deposit, and was the actual area that was originally a small volcanic island.

So they built the land up around it and used Dams, dredging up the water there, and started mining- there wasn't a river there originally

The mines were mostly empty when an earthquake hit, fucking up both Mt. Vulcan and a dam- causing it to flood again. Lives were devastated, and they had to dredge up a fair amount of water again- there's now the small river there, and the area is left undisturbed by the government, as it's now a lost resource- and in memory of the dead.

Or something.

>>9655635
>Extremely valuable material
>We need something similar to make AT work

...UNOBTAINIUM.

>>9655545
Basically? Dead on, but it'd be a perpetual motion device, an engineering impossibility- as its speed increases, so would the drag on it, requiring more push to get the same amount of power- so on so forth

However with a person in it powering it in addition to that, using the burst-dynamo idea? Should, theoretically, work fine.

>>9655662

>>9655635
what if it just starts to flood and the river comes and goes through a source they were never able to dam, forcing them to abandon the project?
I like the idea of Velo being created to mine it (whatever inevitable catchy play on words name it is bound to have), but complications left the mine useless, so they used it as a refuge for the overflowing population and the city grew from that... maybe

>>9655613
This works. I like this.

>>9655692
Yay =D

Also, I touched on that possibility here >>9654967 , though I wasn't sure.

>>9655700

It doesn't, actually. Little Venice isn't built on a river.

>>9655613
So like this?

>>9655760
so you're saying that doesnt work because little venice isn't on a river, when on the map shown little venice is on a river and that post's plan would be moving it off a river onto a gap between the islands?

wha... what?

>>9655630
This map looks better , the little skyscrapers on the other one make that map look shoddy and bad IMO. Stick with a style like this one, edit the areas as you wish but atleast keep this style.

Maybe this Unobtainium is some kind of room-temperature superconducting metal? It allows for all sorts of new technology.
Base the name Velo off of the metal. Velite or Velocite or something.

>>9655764

I think you meant to reply to >>9655630 , but yeah, that's pretty much it. Maybe Newtown and Vulcan could be moved a little further south and west to give to give the canyon more area., but that's basically my idea. Now, as for where The Bridge will be, this complicates things. Maybe it can just ditch the "Carver" part of the name.

Alright we'll use Anon's mapping then.

>>9655800
>Velocite
Perfect.

>>9655790

Actually, I pictured that as simply being an area that flooded, and the "river" is pretty new. Little Venice is supposed to be built on a flood plane.

>>9655764
I didn't explain it too well. I meant like this (please excuse shitty editing)

Velocite, brilliant
I originally thought Carver Canyon to look something like this
not much of a canyon, but it's what it would look like in a large scale mining op

>>9655875

If we go with this, put the dam on the other side of the canyon, and just make the entire area (including the lake) carver canyon. I'd recommend moving Little Venice to a different location, too, (maybe a similar spot on the northern island, or on the coast). Also, I kind of like this more than what I came up with in

>>9655630

>>9655928
but then where would the abandoned industrial estate be? the description says it's down in the bottom of the canyon, which if we move the dam up, it can't be because the entire canyon would be flooded

Velocite. Huh makes sense.

Just could someone make clear, Velo is a man made island right. So why is there hills and mountains.

Spoil from the mines?

>>9655945

It's a reverse dam, I guess. It's trying to keep water out, rather than keeping it in.

>>9655971

It's not entirely man made, Rolling Hills was an island that was simply incorporated into Velo, and the mountain is just industrial waste accumulating to a ridiculous degree.

>>9655985

The canyons dug out from the mines. Makes sense.

>>9655985
>>9656015
But where would the water flow to?

WHY WOULD IT BE BELOW SEA LEVEL

THERE WOULD BE NO CANYON

THIS MAKES NO SEEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE

>>9656034

It's an artificial canyon, the result of a strip mining operation on part of an original island. There was an earthquake, causing an industrial accident that (possibly) created Little Venice, destroying the surrounding industrial areas and creating Mount Vulcan, and fracturing the dam enough to create a small leak. Since the area was almost entirely cleaned out anyways, it was left broken, creating the local river and the lake. Perhaps a pumping operation was put in place to keep the last few bits of resources from being flooded.

>>9655985
>>9656015
But then the Carver Bridge would cease to exist, as there'd be no Carver River flowing from the falls through the city.

>>9656034

It gets pumped up the dam by some awesome piece of technology. Punks can ride down the face of the dam then get blasted back up to the top by riding in high pressure water pipes. Hold your breath, jump in and BOOM!

>>9656066
Why would there be a dam in the first place then? Why not just NOT connect the pit to the ocean?

>>9656067

No, I guess this retcons the river out (or just shrinks it. A lot), but the Carver Bridge can just be The Bridge.

ITT "Lets take an accepted peice of fluff and retcon it so we can have a stripmine instead of a canyon! This won't fuck ANYTHING up!"

>>9656086

Maybe the resources they were finding were so astronomically profitable that it justified constructing the dam just to be able to find that much more.

>>9656106

Let's take a piece of fluff that was written before the layout of the island was decided, and it's heavily implied was written before it was even an island, and try to figure out how we can actually work it in without making the map absolutely retarded!

I always love coming to /tg/ and seeing ideas get fleshed out like this.

>>9656124
What, by not having it come down out of the actual established mountains on the island and making up a bunch of crazy shit about a below-sea level dam that feeds into a lake that doesn't go anywhere, and have the industrial estate full of factories and warehouses at the bottom of a below sea levvel strip mining pit?

>>9656034
I know
the fluff for this is getting really frustrating
perhaps it was a mining expedition enough time before for it was decided to be colonized (due to overpopulation), when the mountain range, excess rock from the mines pilled up, as with the rest of the island (though it is hard to keep the scale of the island in check) had grown a considerable amount of vegetation and formed rivers. centuries after (given time for the city to grow) run off and polution stripped the old mining pit of its plants and animal life, leaving the broken buildings and equipment, some half buried in the ground, open to the air. The canyon is only the surface of hundreds of miles of earth that was pulled from the ground, bleeding the Velocite vein dry and forming the rest of the island. though the mines are flooded now, the scar on the land still mars what was paradise for, but a short time.

Waaay to srs about the geology here. Realism, in my JSR/Air gear RPG? Less likely than you'd think.

how 'bout we just don't make an overall map

that was kind of my idea with it from the start.

>>9656193
Genius! Seriously, /tg/ projects die from hangups like this. Let's move on.

>>9656193
this.

or failing the trolls ability to follow the dev's lead, this:>>9655875

>>9656158

This. Christ just do what I said here >>9655585 just move it into the islands. Jesus.

>>9656193

indeed, almost half the thread is geology at this point.

Let's get back on the crunch shall we?

>>9656193
that feels so incomplete, though!
ah!

>>9656193

Yeah. The map was always a bad idea. Let people imagine it in their heads.

Looks like PunkSquad hit this thread pretty hard.

...

*tag*

>>9656237

FOOOOKING PUNKSQUUUAAAAAAAAAD!

>>9656233
I lol'd
"leave it to their imaginations"

>>9656158

Well, I would post a response to this, but apparently part of that post isn't permitted.

There are no mountains. Deal with it.

>>9656279
no mountains, no canyon
why even bother leaving entirely urbanized areas?

>>9656292
this
it's a skating game, for christ sake
why even mention it's on an island?
all that matters is the city and they will, at not time, leave it

cut it out guys fuck

OKAY WHAT I NEED RIGHT NOW:

ROLLERBLADING TECHNIQUES, CATEGORIES IN WHICH I CAN FIT TWO TRICKS

GO GO GO

>>9656342
I'm guessing this is aside from grabs and grinds, right?

>>9656349
well no pretty much everything.

I've got boarder techniques in works, runner techniques are finished, I have a few links pertaining to biker techniques

But blading was so fucking obvious I thought "naw I'll have that done in like 5 seconds" and then it turns out I didn't.

>>9656342
http://simon27.tripod.com/
tried google
not sure if it's legitimate

>>9656342

Ehh, Flash 101?

Something like that, I'm thinking this would be the one for skaters who focus more on style and handwork than speed.

alternatively, and I can't think of a name, giving them a category whose tricks do very little but increase style might be interesting. Increasing style and setting them up to gain EVEN MORE style by expending speed and energy.

>>9656375
wow, ok, that's not helpful
http://skating.thierstein.net/Tricks/Inline_Skating_Rollerblading_Tricks_Eazy.html
check out this guy
he looks like he knows what he's doing

perhaps the congoline?

>>9656342
hand plants:

variations on handplants include kicks, somersaults, and twirls.

In mechanics terms they would offer rapid turning and repositioning if pulled of correctly.

this needs to be shoped to cross out pedestrians and write "runners"

>>9656454

They would have to be less effective than a runner at that mind you

>>9656525
a runner naturally gets better turning and breaking, pull i imagen their stunts are easier to pull off. I'm thinking everyone but bike should get some sort of handplant turning, it just is noticeably more difficult, and they get a better payoff with their speed.

>>9656565
>plus i imagine

Were any stencil tags decided for any gangs other than Black Roses (pic related) and Urban Tribals (who don't spray, they hand draw their tag)?

it's unfortunate that this thread needs to be bumped

>>9656753
The Bodhisattvas use a Dharma Wheel, pic related

>>9656753
So what's the Urban Tribals tag anyway, even if they don't stencil it?

>>9656798
A sun and a moon over a city- stylized however the individual tribal paints it.

>>9656798
I seem to remember it being a spiral to represent a sun, some dots to represent stars, a crescent moon, and then an outline of the city skyline from where they are in the direction of the grand temple in little venice

Someone posted a High Fliers stencil in a previous thread. I'll see if its in the archive, some of the threads haven't been. I hoped somebody saved it if not...

>>9656792
>>9656807
>>9656814
any specific colors? I know Black Roses would only ever spray their tag in black (otherwise it wouldn't be a black rose)

I got them all saved. Blanace and High Flyers anyway. I'll post them. I might work on them more though.

Bit boring, but I figure that The Balance wouldn't care too much about their tags.

Here it is. Although... Is it just me, or is the inverse of how a real stencil works? i.e. there's no paint in the gaps, but the connected up bits are painted. If it was a real stencil, the paint would go into the gaps while the connected up bits would be blank...

>>9656831

Black and dark red perhaps, otherwise it might not stand out against the blandness that is the city.

>>9656851
I doubt the balance would even go around tagging anything anyway

Is the title a French pun or a coincidence?

>>9656856
Black and blue, actually.

>>9656855
it's just you

>>9656862
it's a pun on the word "velocity"

>>9656862
Both.

Incidentally it's also italian for Veil.

>>9656855

I just realized I fucked up the stencils bad.

...

Unless they have the stencil for the white, and then they two the two strips, then put the white through the stencil!

I'm going to go with that for now. Until I get a chance to fix it.

FUCK.

>>9656890
well, you get spray paint ON the stencil, right?

>>9656890

Heh, S'okay dude. Easy mistake to make, you know?

And, for a proud, righteous gang like the High Fliers, they may well take the time to make sure their tags really are done that way, so it shows all their colours, and damn proudly too.

Odd thought... Any interesting ideas for advances in spraycan technology? I can see twin nozzed cans, which spray two colours at once as you move them along, perhaps even ones with multiple non-mixing paints inside, so it creates a confusing mass of scintillating colours. These'd be bloody expensive of course, but if we're taking every other element of Punk culture to the extremes (Including, as I recall from another thread, tag-paint bullets), why not sprays?

>>9656905

Actually, this is a good point. If you assume the picture is of the stencil itself, rather than the tag, it makes perfect sense.

>>9656932

I'm pretty sure theres been talk of rollerblades that can leave lines of paint behind them, we could probably do the same for the skateboards and bikes.

What could we give runners that was in a similar vein?

>>9656932
I believe there is a gun spray can bullet contraption and it's mostly going to be the neon guys (that's the name, right?) with fluorescent paint pouring out of jetpacks and spray guns and tracing the line of their scates and wheels.

>>9656945
Sneakers with paint-stompin' heels that you can fit a tag stencil into?

Perhaps some gangs get their own special paint?

I just had an amusing idea that people are often worried when they see a Fireworks tag, since rumours are always going round that those mad bastards are experimenting with flammable paint. (As in, it can be set on fire, even after its sprayed and dried)

>>9657008
Just flammable? You best be joking.

Surely you mean long-lasting flammable paint.

NAPALM paint.

>>9656855
naw, you got it right. there are two types of stencils; the one you are showing would like, have poles that connected all the pieces of the stencil so you could spray all around.

the other is the big square that has a cutout, and you spray inside the cut out area.

>>9657038

Those fucking firestarters. They'll burn down the whole district one of these days, and serve 'em right.

>>9657008
lol, you could have crazy kinds of paint. Paint that will stain the skin forever, but will never stay in the same place or something

>>9657047
the first type (the type being used currently) is tougher though; since the pieces usually waggle around unless they are all connected by tiny sticks; which makes the stencils ugly IMO

>>9657038
GREEEK FIRE!

Urban Tribals use glow-in-the-dark paint of nearly every color. Goes with their tattoos.

>>9656945
Yeah, in the post that came up wiht Misumaru-Tenkawa Accessories, it's one of the accessories they developed that's mentioned.

>>9657081
>Urban Tribals use glow-in-the-dark paint of nearly every color. Goes with their tattoos.
>Urban Tribals all have glow in the dark tribal tattoos.

These guys were already my favorite gang, but that just double-favorite them

>>9657141
I, myself, am a fan of Fireworks
solving things with science, like REAL men
though they're usually scrapped for cash as their "rocket fuel" fund is often drained, taking more away from the communal treasury.

>>9657141
They often dye their hair and their clothes generally look like rags or bandages, with urban accents.

Their weapons are generally long, metal or wooden staffs or similiar things, that they use to pull off tricks.

>>9657204

I thought it was Spice that was the group of semi-organized Kaminas?

>>9657204
I knew about that, just not about the glowing tattoos.

>>9657234
In mindset. They're all about INSANE STUNTS and BEING TOTALLY CRAZY

I suppose it would be fitting to say
Tribals = Kaminas
Spice = Dantes

>>9657182

Inventor of the Fireworks here. I feel so proud.

Also, watching Sherlock Holmes has given me an idea. A Punk PI. With a combination of running, blading (Aided by a pair of Supersonics variable boots), detective skills and a sharp ear, he does consultancy work for various gangs, groups, organisations and individuals in the City. He speaks with a British accent, and has many odd mannerisms, hinting at an interesting past. He claims to have served in His Majesties Constabulary, a claim which none can really confirm or deny, since it lies in the old world, which the vast majority of the City has simply forgotten.

Too silly? Or does it fit in with the setting?

>>9657291

I love it, if only because I have a soft spot for british stereotypes.

British stereotypes ON ROLLERBLADES, AS A PRIVATE EYE? YES PLEASE!

>>9657291
>Too silly
>Game where you can grind up telephone poles, a new skater can do multiple mid-air backflips, there are rocket-powered bicycles and glow-in-the-dark tribals with sticks going up against costumed crocodile men from the sewer who run gladiatorial arenas

I think you're safe.

>>9657291
maybe a PI who works for the cops after they realized they needed someone who could skate at the level of most of the gangs

>>9657328

Nah, Sherlock always had an odd animosity with the British constabulary. When dealing with an extremely uncouth body such as the Greys, he'd be unlikely to give them the time of day. Then again, I can't Call him sherlock, that'd be too much of an obvious ripoff. It'd just be his nickname.

>>9657328
Street Force as a whole has that covered.

Maybe he could be an extremely lax Street Forcer?

Also here's the movement example, I have no idea how useful it actually is, but,

Shit, I forgot to put in that if you turn 90 or more degrees in a single turn you half your speed.

>>9657351
too much of an obvious rip off?
lol, this entire game is a giant rip off

1 tile=5 feet or 2 meters right?

>>9657420
Nyet, 3 feet/1 meter.

>>9657353

Hmm... it works, but I can't help but wonder if it'd get a little Too detailed at times, slowing things down and breaking the flow. But, I've got a severe bias towards ultra rules lite, so ignore me until after the playtests.

>>9657480
If you want you can completely ignore the turning rules, but the max speed/acceleration would be pretty necessary

so, nothing, I think logic, reason and maps could be completely thrown out the window if we had some good art pieces of the separate locations.

>>9657505
I'd help, but my illustration skills, regardless of subject, are fucking atrocious

Pic related, the best I can muster at drawing an urbanite

>>9657528
I could try and sketch up some locations
they won't have any people, though
I suck at drawing people

>>9657553
sounds good, as long as they match the descriptions given

>>9657498

Its not so much that, as it were. I simply get the feeling that, were I running the game, I'd treat speed, acceleration etc as less absolutes, more relative values, ways of easily comparing the different performances of different individuals more than actual absolute statistics. But, as I've said, ignore me on crunch until the playtests are done. I know my biases, and wouldn't want to overly restrict such a wonderful game concept as this.

>>9657528

Currently working on The Smiler, because I have a thing for dat ass and scarred girls. They look cool.

Currently trying to figure out how the fuck to shade, get a good skin tone, and her hair while my tablet shits itself.

>The Pit - Originally a pretty ostentatious concert hall. Then a sink hole opened up and the entire structure dropped about ten feet straight down, although the only real damage was losing about a half of the main arena's ceiling. No longer used by any mainstream artists, its a very popular venue for raves and underground artists of all varieties, having built up a pretty nice collection of musical tech, with towers of amps and curves of speakers which also make it an Excellent park. It also plays host to its own punks, who own the corridors and stairways, as well as treating the now curving walls of the main arena as one giant bowl. The true honor of The Pit is getting enough air to snatch one of the crystals hanging from the main chandelier, which hasn't been lit for years, but is now a favorite target for the musicians laser light shows.

I was looking over the zones and thought this would be a great location for the Balance's meetings

>>9657553

If you do anything for mount vulcan, I suggest looking up the Mountains from the Mirrodin set of Magic the Gathering (A quick google image search will suffice). They were pre-eminent in my mind when I envisioned a structure of metal and slag, fallen over a disused factory complex.

Or, with the large number of geological debates I've scrolled through with glazed eyes, has the nature of Mount Vulcan changed?

Nothing Man: Did you get your categories for Blader tricks? Yes or No?

ALSO

My roomie and I had a big brainstorming session on this (I might become a tripfag over VeloCITY) And we came up with a few issues.

Advancement: There is no system for how xp rewards are attained or a chart for their expenditure.

Money: As the corollary to XP in advancement (Money=Gear=Capabilities) how does this work and how much is starting equipment.

Rich Kids: Do they fuck with the game?

>>9657612

I'd suggest there being a static value for money at the start of the game, and wealth or poverty being represented as advantages and disadvantages as part of a traits system (Which has been discussed as being added to the game at a later date).

I'd also suggest certain specialist equipment, like Supersonic advanced or custom models, is not obtainable with mere cash. In character creation, it'd take a trait all of its own, while in game, it'd be a goal in a notable sub arc, or perhaps even full arc of the campaign depending on the nature of the gear that would be obtained.

>>9657528

I'd be willing to assist in providing illos for ye, and maybe a few more sample crew logos (such as the roughs in >>9653192).

Normally do monotone, but that doesn't seem fitting given the setting.

If I really take my time on things, I can do some decent stuff. Steam-Punk Succuboo vaguely related.

I believe Mt. Vulcan got hand waved into 'Use your fucking imagination' territory>>9657610

Seriously, /tg/ and it's fucking geologists...

>>9657612
No, and to answer those in repetition:

Look at the runner thing- the XP costs are there, and style points (which you can only actually gain in actiony scenes to prevent abuse of dis) that you don't end up spending are converted at the end of the session into XP, and there should be goals for XP for instance:

LITTLE VENICE
1 Slalom the river lane's streetlights (20 XP)
2 Get to the top of Antonio's Pizza (10 XP)
3 Ramp from Antonio's to King Play Bowling over the river lane (25 XP)

Currency I'm not entirely sure about- but characters will start with 125 XP to buy tricks- I was thinking every XP unspent would be converted to 5 or 10 bucks for gear, otherwise there'd be no way to get starting cash other than MC fiat.

See above, rich kids wouldn't be unbalanced, because they'd be generally fucking stupid on their vehicle.

>>9657679

Crap, now I feel bad about my shitty drawing here >>9657592

Damnit.

>>9657685

Hmm... now that Is an interesting idea. Gear and possibly traits purchased with starting XP, meaning investing in them will mean a deficit of tricks. Very well done Nothing Man.

>>9657679

>>9657698

Uh... sorry... Didn't mean to make you feel bad about your work.

Oh also, any artists droppin' in work, be sure to drop me a line, and/or tell me the name you'd like to be put into the credits for your part, it is the very least I can do.

>>9657721

Ahehe. I guess. /embarassed

I'll come up with some punkish stuff to run by you, see which ones you like.

>>9657727

Naw, it's fine. It's moreso the fact I've always meant to learn how to do this stuff. Most of my drawing skills go towards concept arts and things.

Speaking of which, I should do more gear.

Also speaking of which, have we figured out how to add stats to gear yet, or will there be more that have a fluffy power?

I mean, some boards have very concrete abilities, while others, like some of the glasses seem more like something you'd have to ask the MC about.

>>9657764
Great stuff, the things I primarily need are just characters on the kinds of vehicles, pick one of the bikes, rollerblades or skateboards that seems most important and I'll rattle off a few gangs that specialize in them for inspiration.

>>9657775
Some of the high tech like AR would have to be narrative, yeah, but most modifications to the actual vehicles or footwear and such could be represented with bonuses to the various stats or the items providing unique tricks you can use while wearing them

I'd like to see a Black Rose blader trying to kick the shit out of a Fireworks boarder using a tazer built into one of her skates.

>>9657610
Some people misinterpreted it into being an actual mountain. Or at least I think it's a misinterpretation, I always thought it was basically a giant slag heap.

Speaking of mirrodin mountains, pic related.

>>9657823

The original concept was, essentially, a very large and unstable pile of slag, rubble and worthless bits of metal, which had slowly covered an abandoned factory complex. It resembles a mountain at a distance, although up close it is quite different, and due to the nature of the collapse, most of the factory within is still complete, meaning the "mountain" is filled with a twisting maze of corridors and chambers, with numerous hidden nooks, including the Volcano gangs Vesuvius club.

I'd love to help with illustrations, but my drawfagging still has a long way to go. Pic related, as it's my (rather quickly, and ruined by constant edits) attempt at a character I could see myself playing in this game.

I'm a bit better at logo work, though. If need be, I can try and help with some of the tags. If anyone minds directing me to the latest drafts, I can see if I can do something with them, or otherwise polish them up some.

>>9657685
What categories -do- you have?

Slide
Grind
Vert
Handplant
Grab (variable)
Dash
Groundwork...

hot or cold?

>>9657885
Grind, Vert, Grab, Dash, and Groundwork all seem good, I'll work from there.

Boarding comes first though since it's the most completed as of current, and biking is nearly as complete.

Feel free to come up with tricks though for any of those three

>>9657789

Hrrrm. Well, was hashing out a picture of a Black Rose (and my brain just farted, I can't remember if they're runner's or blader's all of a sudden). So I'll take a punk on a Bike in addition.

>>9657925
They're runners AND bladers, but we've got a pic of a black rose runner- I can use a black rose on another page though I'm sure.

As for bikers, the primary types there would be the gruff inspired, they actually look somewhat professional, generally wearing pads, athletics wear, etc, or the borderline-psychotic fireworks that look kind of like average punks with mad SCIENCE flairs to their clothes, and probably singed cloth/hair. Their bikes would have ROCKETS on EVERYTHING

Yo, hey. Guy who came up with Carver Canyon here. I was originally thinking it would look like this pic, but with a mostly abandoned industrial park down in the canyon instead of fields, with the river running down the very middle.

>>9657962
and smaller, of course

>>9657816
spikes

>>9657950

For firework bikes, there'd be two main mounting points for Rockets. Small ones placed around the rim of a wheel would allow extreme acceleration and speed without lift, while large ones attached to the frame and behind the bike would be less efficient at acceleration on the ground, but could launch the bike into the stratosphere.

Oh, and to note, Bikes have low acceleration, but bikers can ignore this with a trick that lets them spend shitloads of energy to accelerate like a fucking motorcycle

Meanwhile, once you hit 301, no matter who you are, max speed becomes largely irrelevant if you have the energy for it.

>>9657919
Grind Trick 101:
Grind Trick: Frontside/Backside [1 energy per 2 ticks(round up)][Sustainable][1 Style per 2 ticks(round down)]
[i]Well anyone can do ~that~...[/i]
Roll Momentum+Muscle+2. Success = Gain Style.

>>9657284
Did you read the description of the 'Grand Temple' or whatever it's called?

Scrap metal Ewok Village in an overgrown analogue of that massive storm drain in Tokyo, and covered in glowing tags. Lit by whatever's handy that can burn, but somehow mostly paper lanterns.

>>9658078
Alright, how's:
Grind tricks:
Frontside/backside
Soul/Acid

Vert tricks:
Brainless
Beraniflip

Grab Tricks:
McTwist
???

>>9657950

Alrighty, whatchoo think of this composition NM? Fireworker out for a ride.

>>9658200

So where's this pic of a Black Roses runner?

>>9658200
needs more rockets and crazy
it needs to completely disregard any law of nature to reach the zenith of insanity in all ways possible

>>9658224

See

>>9654413


By: Longyear

>>9658200

Fuckin' A. Totally fireworks. Nice one, dude.

>>9658170
I'll work on it. For now... I'm considering trying to come up with a binary system for handplants, grab and the flip separate... not sure that's good design though, might be clunky

Handplants 101:

Handplant: Frontside Invert [1 Energy per tick][Sustainable(special)][1 style per tick]
Roll Handwork+Momentum. Success=Turn 90 degrees without losing speed. Gain one style.
Special: If this trick is sustained drop to base speed. Rolls to sustain are Handwork+Muscle with a -1 to the target number per tick sustained.

>>9658200

That's pretty damn awesome.

>>9658248
Ah, cool. I didn't realise she was Black Roses, the outfit wasn't as crazy and impractical as I thought it would be.

>>9658307

I figure she's one of the lower members in the gang. The leader where's a bunny suit, right?

>>9658218
>>9658286
>>9658296

Aheh, thanks.

>>9658240

More rockets and crazy eh?

>>9657141
jeff hardy is a tribal runner?
>cantunsee.jpg

>hurry like a motherfucker to write out all the remaining tricks
>for some reason sweating from just typing
>Super Shooter - RIP SLYME starts playing
>pic related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivgva0XdV4E

>>9658170
I see an issue with this, most flips seem to contain grabs as a style component (two tricks at once)...

Hmmm... Nevermind that's not a problem, fail on either roll you biff it, succeed on both reap the style points.

Okay!

But I am seeing a discrepancy of making too many tricks and too few trick-attacks.

How about Vert being:
Brainless
Flying Kick to the Face

>>9658446

To be fair, the fact you can wager any trick into an attack means you don't need So many basic trick attacks, although I agree a few more wouldn't be a bad idea.

But, might you just be able to put trick attacks into a general fighting tree, or some such?

A friend of mine had the idea of a single generic fighting tree, and then four others, which could be taken by any sort of Punk, but worked best with one specific type. I'll bug him to post up the notes he made, they were pretty good.

>>9658446
Protip: Trick-attacks are unneeded, unless they have special effects if used as such

You can turn ANY trick into an attack if you wager it.

As in, you can hop up, kick flip- no, wait, I want to attack that mook. Turn it into a trick, you kick the board into their face, and you catch it with your feet on the ricochet, land.

>>9658473
That is the exact idea I'm working with- there's a fifth tree, a general one. You naturally start with the ability to punch/kick, dodge/block, and runners have a unique combat technique (maneuverability), but other than that you can get a few unique combat ones- the ability to use paint in interesting ways, combat or otherwise, will also be a general technique.

Just in case they'll be useful to anyone, the notes (Taken from a chatlog between myself and a friend, so apologies for bad format)

5 Styles: Basic Style of "Street Kung Fu" or just "Street" for short, is a general purpose streetfighting style that evolved from generations of Street punks duking it out. Its omnipurpose and adaptive, so you can use it equaly with any class

and is mostly about Improvises weapons and Wrestling copys originaly learnt from watching TV

the Runner style hasn't got a name yet, probably some kind of Breakdancing joke or summt like that...

anyway, the Runner style is extremely evasive, since Runners make the most of their manouverability, and uses Wrestling, Throws and Takedowns a lot, since Runners don't need to worry about damaging their wheels or falling of them etc

Boarders and perhaps Skaters can also make use of it because their more free to leave their wheels to attack and then remount fast

Bikers can't because bikes are too heavy to carry around with you so easily

Skater Style also lacks name, some kind of Sword-pun based on their use of their skates as blades, and thus legs as sword

Skater style uses their Skates to perform slicing kicks, since the extra weight makes their kicks stronger and the Wheels and frames can produce a nasty cutting edge

Also, for folks with motorised wheels, they could do really nasty things, like having the two wheels spin different directions, creating a tearing effect on a kick

Its usable by Runners mostly, apart from Bladers. Basic name would be "Kick Edge"

boarders can do things like jump, with the board on their feet, and slam people, use it as a club, deflect blows using it as a shield etc.

Bikers can to it to a lesser extent with theri bikes

Boarder style also uses a lot of flips, taking the board with you, and spends an equal ammount of time in air and on ground

Biker style I not sure about yet

it probalby uses the Bike as a weapon, but in a different way to Boards

Biker style focuses on using the weight of the bike and its size to the users advantage, reducing to minimum the circumstances when they need to dismount

If Skate style turns the leg into a sword, and Board style into a shield, then bike style turns the bike into a Hammer

only a hammer with rapidly spinning disks on either end

of the 4 it spends the most time on the ground

although it does get some Air in order to smash enemys with the Bike

>>9658587
Seems like those'd mostly just be converting tricks into attack-tricks, aside from the wrestling and using the boards and shields.

>>9658446
Vert 101:

Air Trick: Brainless [1 Energy][2 Hangtime][+2 Style]
[i]It's a backflip with a 540 twist. Well really it's a 180. Done wrong? Messy.[/i]
Roll Momentum+Air. Success = +2 Style. Failure = Fall damage is doubled.

Trick Attack: Flying Kick [1 Energy][Special]
[i] Zombie Bruce Lee Says HI! [/i]
Roll Muscle+Air. Success=Add current Speed(or Air? Hangtime?) to next attack damage.
Special: This trick does not impose multiple action penalties. (Or whatever the in-game equivalent is.)

>>9658621

Perhaps, but additional variables, like increased damage, long term effects, debilitating conditions and so on might warrant advanced combat styles for each vehicle at some point. Still, a far future concern, as it were. Just food for thought.

>>9658473
>>9658477

QQ, I can't write these tricks and read at the same time. Le sigh.

Still! Feel free to re purpose any of these as you feel fit, I'm just a writefag.

>>9658681
>...increased damage...
>>9658655
>...flying kick...

!!!

How about trick attacks having "x energy per y extra damage", or "x energy per y ticks [z effect]"

>>9658753

Perhaps also an option of a wager which can increase those effects?

Although, that almost goes back to the origin of this form of mechanic, D&D's much loved Power Attack, trading chance of success for intensity of damage done.

Also how's this for rolling damage:

Roll a d20, and if it's below your damage, it does the amount you rolled. If it's equal/above your damage, it deals the amount of damage stated.

Meaning that strong attacks will have high variability in their damage, whereas weak attacks will be more consistent.

>>9658781

Is there a need to roll for damage? A static value, modified for the trick, your muscle score, wagers and so on could remove a need for an additional roll, streamlining the system somewhat. If randomness is needed, it could be influenced by the trick roll itself, combining efficiency and variation.

>>9658818
Heh, I suppose. I just realize that right now players have way too low vigor- I could up the multiplier on it, or make it so players can take these traits you guys keep talking about to naturally increase their energy/vigor totals.

>>9658844

There's quite a few options for increasing survivability. One is having a static value, and then modifying it based on the relevant stat (In this case Muscle), which reduces, but does not eliminate, difference between characters.

There's also the option of having multiple pools of points, usually two or sometimes more, one representing short term vitality, the other long term injury. In a fight, your opponents must first whittle down your short term health in order to impact long term. The short term refreshes rapidly, while the long term takes some time to regenerate.

There are other examples, of course, but these are a couple I've used previously and found to work quite well.

One which has always interested me, although I've not used myself, is damage going directly to statistics, which makes fights unlikely to be lethal, but always damaging in the short or medium term, reducing the characters capabilities.

>>9658897
There's an idea- a track similiar to shape, basically, a number of vigor levels dependent on... let's say your soul, since muscle is used for vigor in the first place, and soul fits due to being willpower.

Only when all the levels are actually depleted do you get KO'd- and it only regenerates in one scene enough to fill the current level?

!!!

In my frontside/backside trick the relevant stats should be Momentum+Legwork! Anywho.

Grab 101:
Grab Trick: Mute [1 Energy] [1 Hangtime] [Grab] [+1 Style]
[i] Left hand grabs right skate, right hand grabs left skate. Easy right? [/i]
Roll Momentum+Handwork. Success = +1 Style
Roll

>>9658897

I like the idea of statistic damage, though I'm not sure how to implement it just right.

I would support no rolling and making it a static value affected by the statistic as needed. Cuts down on dice rolling, and this is a rules lite game.

>>9658967
no, this is fucking retarded, nevermind this, I'll just up the multiplier one and add in a trait to increase vigor.

>>9658985

I wouldn't say its a terrible idea, although it'd take quite a lot of balancing to make sure you didn't have too much and too little. Its somewhat similar to health levels.

>>9659016
Yeah but it'd be stupid to have so much paperwork for a function as simple as HP, it'd interrupt the flow of the game.

>>9659028

Looking at it from that perspective, you're certainly right. Lets keep almost everything as simple as possible. Tricks being a moderate exception, as while they should still be simple, we should be willing to put enough detail into them to make this system Feel distinctive.

Alright, went over this concept (for the Blackrose member) a few times. I think I finally got it.

This good?

>>9659097
Nice.

>>9658978
It has become apparent to me that Bladers need tricks to gain more Hangtime, being the Flyboys of the setting, will also burn Hangtime like mad on their tricks. A Mute Brainless already costing 3 Hangtime (which is apparently not that hard after watching videos and reading skater forums. Note that I consider skater forums to be of dubious repute.)

However! I am convinced of the necessity of a binary Trick/Grab interaction. (LK McTwist, Fuck Yeah) To that end I suggest that Handplants give a 'phantom' hangtime to be spent only on grabs.

>>9659123
Boarders have something like that, a method air is essentially a free trick because it gives one free tick of air that it incidentally consumes, bladers should have scaled up, high-energy, multiple-ticks-of-air garnering tricks (that can only be used once per airtime)

Also I'm pretty sure this thread is autosaging.

>>9659110

Ok. I'll be working on these over the weekend. I'm not confident what my timetable'll be, though. I'll try not to take too long.

>>9659156
astute observation

I think the thread has been autosaging for a while.

eheh

Anywho, someone archive this and lets move to the next thread. More tricks to be mocked up then.

>>9659445

New thread