Looks like we'll have our hands full in this one.

Hey Apologized, didn't you say this was supposed to end at 50, but grew into a life of its own?

>>13690810

The ends at 50 thing involved a two month time skip, which we never did, we have basically almost done a year in realtime here.

Fuck Yeah Zeonquest!

After this is over and you've had a chance to take a break, will you be running Zeta Zeonquest?

> fending off all of the Gundams.
>ALL OF THEM.

"General Revil how many of the Gundams are we going to be taking into space with us?"
"Get me everyone."
"What do you mean everyone?"
>pic related

>>13690798
Oh, apologised, is Cima with us on the HLV's?

What about emergency repairs on all of our suits?
And how's Hovis and his MA looking?

The journey back to where you started at the American orbital drop zone occurs without incident. Once you arrive you quickly take stock of the situation. The three Musai class carriers appear to be vigilantly continuing their patrol of the area, whilst the Papua Support Vessel is continuing to go about refeuling more HLV's.

Of the HLV's that came up with you, some are still arriving, whilst those that are already here are disgorging their cargo of Mobile Suits. The HLV's containing the supplies and Anti-Beam Chaff have not yet been touched however.

YOUR ORDERS?

What kind of Gyan is Calvin piloting anyway? An altered B-Type, or an A-Type? Pic maybe related. And why can't he get a new helmet?

>>13690843
>After this is over and you've had a chance to take a break, will you be running Zeta Zeonquest?

probably DelazQuest first. But we'll have to see how we go.

>>13690924
Or maybe this? Or maybe the Eye Zack pack on the A-Type, or Flipper pack on the B-Type. Maybe the EWAC Nero pack? Don't have one of those ready yet though.

>>13690924
Alternate A type. Featuring a custom EWAC package that was originally designed for use with Dom pattern mobile suits.

>>13690908
Make sure that the AB-chaff is distributed out to the Musai's (I hope that the OH took the opportunity to replenish their own AB-chaff stores while we were planetside).
Also distribute munitions as needed. Then prep the HLV's for our suprise attack on the Feddie fleet.

>>13690926
There might not even be a need for a DelazQuest depending on how ZeonQuest turns out.

>>13690924
Oh, right! While the munitions are being handed out, take the opportunity to do a final readiness check on all of the Nachtmaren suits, and make sure that everyone has working space gear.

Also, is Cima and her EXAM MS with us, or with Garma?

>>13690908

Kick Gundam ass.

>>13690908
>YOUR ORDERS?

This.
>>13690944
And make sure to get in contact with the rest of the forces Solomon is going to be sending. We need to link up with them to maximise our chances.

>>13690945
>Implying reality ever intrudes in the ambitions of mad zealots.

For reasons I've discussed in threads over on /m/ there was always going to be a "Delaz" of some kind.

>>13690957
>>13690944

You order the Mobile Suits to begin resupplying AB chaff and ammo to whoever needs it, although as planned there's still a fair amount of it left over for your original plan to stuff them into HLV's and have those ships explode in the middle of enemy lines scattering their chaff over a wide area.

Cima was injured defending the Submarine Pens in California and went with Garma instead of you.

>>13690994
Okay, let's get this plan distributed so people know what they're supposed to be doing.

Also, have been able to make contact with the Solomon reinforcements or Hovis?

>>13691041

The Solomon reinforcements went directly to the battle. Dozle himeslf is said to have joined the battle as well, from the transmissions you're able to get off the tactical net, his arrival stabilised the situation somewhat, as most of the Grenada force had been badly mauled and was at 70% casualties, with the line beginning to degrade. Federation casualties are estimated to be less than 20% at this point in the battle.

Hovis reports in from the Paupua, that the work on the Val Velo is nearly finished, she might not be up to a parade inspection, but the MA is ready for combat.

You organise a short term command network with the Cruisers and friendly mobile suits

>>13691097
Have Hovis and the engineering team finish up repairs on the Val Velo.
Once that's done and everyone's been fueled up, have the Papua get out of here and get everyone in formation for the battleplan.

Make last minute checks that everyone knows the plan, then move out.

>>13690943
That looks very much like something I can't do anything with. Maybe stick a smoothed out Rick Dias chest over the front of an A-Type, but there's nothing in ToA V like that backpack. Oh well.

>>13691127

Don't worry about it.

>>13690994

Out of curiosity, where are you getting the other 3 Musai cruisers from? I remember giving you three, but when did I give you the other three?

I'd get on the horn and suggest taking about 2 of the battleships and routing the enemy EFSF forces from the side. Youll have most of the spearhead intact, but clearing out some rubble through an ambush.

>>13691192
I just modified a drawing I make nearly a month ago before I knew how many ship's we'd actually be able to get hold of. Also I didnt know until today that we couldnt meet up with the Solomon fleet enroute.

>>13691220

How will you modify it since you now have an odd number of musais and one support ship?

>>13691275
I wont, I'll let you do it. Good luck!

>>13691294
...

The one time you DON'T want to make a complicate multi-part strategy complete diagrams is the ONE time I ask if you could do it. Gah.

Fine, we'll use a three dimensional formation in the form a pyramid, with the Outer Heaven as the point with the three Musai's behind in a vertical triangual formation. Behind them will be the Papua, escort by 3 Zaku F2's.

The engineers can rig the HLV's to deploy a stream of AB Chaff as they journey into the heart of the enemy before making sure that when they explode, the AB Chaff dispersal is as optimum as possible. The HLV's themselves will have to be towed by the ships and then set up into position just before the attack begins.

There, how does that sound?

>>13691376
Sounds good. Will we also have any available recon assets send back targeting data to the capital ships before they make contact?

>>13691390

Garma didn't really have time to think all that cleverly about the forces that he was sending up with you, you don't have any Recon Zaku or fighters or anything apart from Calvin.

You can deploy him forward along with several other picket squads of rotating mobile suits.
You don't have enough space with your ships to house all of the MS with you inside various ships hangars anyway, so several of them are going to have to clamp onto the outside and ride into battle anyway.

Anyone have a list of all the Suits/MA/Tanks the Nachtmaren Unit has used so far? I'm not about to do a full ToA V mechanics database, but a Nachtmaren section should be fine.

>>13691413
Let's have Calvin, Hovis, and rotating picket squads sending back targeting data for the initial salvo.

>>13691460
Off the top of my head,
MS-06F-2
MS-06E
MS-06E-3
MS-06FZ
MS-06K
MS-07B-3
YMS-09
MS-09
MS-10
MS-09F/trop
MS-09K-2
MS-11
MS-12
MS-13
YMS-14/MS-14S
MS-14B
MS-14C
MS-15Kg
MSM-03
MSM-04
MSM-07
MSM-07S
MSM-03C
MSM-07E
EMS-05
MSM-10
MA-05
MA-06
YMT-05
Rhinoceros

There were others, but some of those were when they were still part of Mastadon Battalion. I'm probably missing some as well.

>>13691460

Pretty much every prototype apart from the Dom Tropical Test Type.
(Prototype Gouf, Prototype Dom, Prototype Gelgoog)


Zaku 1 (Zolomon during Operation Elephant)
Zaku II J (Starting Mobile Suit)
Zaku II F2
Zaku II FZ (Mostly Bernard)
Gouf A
Gouf B
Gouf B3 (Zolomon)
Dom
Rick Dom
Dom Cannon
Dom Cannon Mk2
Gogg
Acguy
Z'Gok
Zock
Aggugai
Agg
Juagg
Zugock
Pezun Dowdage
Gigan
Gasshia
Act Zaku
Nacht Zaku (Upgraded Nacht Zaku for David)
Efreet
Gelgoog B
Gelgoog Cannon
Gyan Kreiger
Gyan A (converted into an E type)
Recon Zaku
Zaku Flipper

Hildolfr
Rhinoceros
Bigro
Val Velo

I think that's everything.

You set up the formation and the plan, engineers on the Papua immiediately get to work tethering and then preparing the HLV's for the mission. Meanwhile you set up the picket duties, making sure that Calvin and Hovis are supporting each other as usual.

Now with that done, you make your way towards the enemy. The journey will take about an hour, once again it's a case of hurry up and wait.

You take this oppourtunity to make sure that your suit is fully readied for combat, and you urge the rest of the team to make sure that they do likewise whilst they're in the hangar and not on the picket.

BRB DINNER.

So, here's the question: do we go after Revil in the obviously well-guarded battleship with the Midnight Pixy Deathsquad (who likely have EXAM suits), or do we concentrate on the Feddy grunts and support ships?

We could go after enemy aces, or simply do so much damage to their conventional forces that it doesn't matter if their aces survived.

What's DelazQuest?

MS-06J -> MS-06J (David Lister Custom) ->MS-06F2 -> MS-06F2 Custom
MS-06F -> MS-06D -> MS-06F2 -> MS-06F2 Custom
MS-06K
MS-06E -> MS-06E-3 Zaku Flipper
MS-06FZ Zaku Kai
YMS-07 Gouf Prototype
MS-07A -> MS-07B -> MS-07B (Zol Custom) -> MS-07B3
MS-08TX Efreet (Destroyed)
YMS-09 Dom Prototype
MS-09 -> MS-09R Rick Dom -> MS-10 Pezun Dowdage -> MS-10E EWAC Dowdage
MS-09 -> MS-09R Rick Dom -> MS-10 Pezun Dowdage
MS-09K2 -> MS-09R Rick Dom -> MS-10 Pezun Dowdage
MS-09F/Trop
MS-09F/Trop (Destroyed)
MS-11 -> MS-11N (David Lister Custom)
MS-12 Gigan
MS-13 Gaisha
YMS-14 -> MS-14B
YMS-14 -> MS-14C -> MS-14C(Jolyne Custom)
MS-15A/E (Calvin Hobart Custom)
MS-15Kg

YMT-05 Hildolfr -> Rhinoceros Type A
MA-05 Bigro
MA-06 Val Varo

MSM-03 Gogg
MSM-03 Gogg
MSM-03C Hygogg
MSM-03C Hygogg
MSM-03C Hygogg
MSM-04 Acguy
MSM-04G Juagg
MSM-04N Agguguy (David Lister Custom)
EMS-05 Agg
MSM-07 Z-Gok
MSM-07S Z'Gok Commander Type
MSM-07E Z-Gok-E
MSM-08 Zogok
MSM-10 Zock

>>13691802
Given that even if we find Revel's ship, that he'll likely end up having been on a different ship all along, I don't think it's worth it. Right now, numbers are the biggest enemy, we need to concentrate on taking out as many enemy MS and ships as quickly as possible.

>>13691827
That's what I was thinking.

Let Char waste his time and have the glory of fighting with the Federation Aces.
The Nachtmaren Unit has a war to win (well, not lose, but you get the idea).

>>13691827

Confirm that. Numerical superiority is the Federation's biggest advantage- although if we run into an ace, the idea of using their own numbers as cover for wreaking havoc is highly amusing.

Speaking of which, I'd suggest liberal use of close combat techniques. We're going to have more targets than ammo this time, unless we can manage to get some of them to explode where they'll damage other Federation assets in turn.

We might want to see what kind of supply line they've got set up to the battle, and rip our way through that first. Deprived of reserves and with a fresh force at a new attack angle, the enemy may choose to retire or at the least be forced to reform in a less aggressive stance- and if I were Revel, I'd be shielding those supply elements as far from Char and any opportunity for chaos as possible. Which means closer to us.

Oh sweet Jesus. The big one in space. IT BEGINS.

Here's another vote for assaulting the little guys unless the big guys start fucking with us. We still need that showdown with Bandit. There's gonna be a reckoning, one way or another.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, KEEP CALVIN AWAY FROM THE FIGHTING

FUCKSAKE, REMEMBER THE OMAKE OF DOOM
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, HE USED HAMBURGER'S PICTURE INSTEAD OF CALVIN'S

OMINOUS MUCH?!

Alright chums up LET'S DO THIS

ZOLOMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
RRRRRRRRRRRINNNNNGOOOOOOOOOOOO

>You take this oppourtunity to make sure that your suit is fully readied for combat, and you urge the rest of the team to make sure that they do likewise whilst they're in the hangar and not on the picket.

You hear that squadies? If you need a new helmet or anything, now would be the time to get it. Don't be shy; there's no need to hold back any requests at this point.

Space huh?

Any chance of getting a Gelgoog Jaeger? Kaempfer?

>>13692048
No.
We are no where near a base or resupply depot.
We are currently en-route to a major space battle.

Speaking of space:

Where's Ramba Ral in all this?

>>13691947
I don't see why he couldn't have grabbed a new helmet. They WERE ordered to make sure their shit ready to go & it's ridiculous if there's not ONE spare helmet on an independent unit's base of operations.

I mean really. Come on.

>The one time you DON'T want to make a complicate multi-part strategy complete diagrams is the ONE time I ask if you could do it. Gah.

Sorry man.

>>13692022

You realise Calvin was already out on Picket duty when you said that right?

>>13692048

Zolomons got a Gyan Kreiger, both your Gelgoogs have Jaeger parts from the UMP fitted in them to replace battle damages.
As for the Kampfer, no, oddly enough we never got round to using a Kampfer.

I'm just as suprised as you are.

>>13692080

Sitting on the Nuke/Smoking Bullet that will put Gihren, the man who directly murdered Zeon Sum Deikum, in the gas chamber. I doubt you could pursuade him to move even if your ordered him at this point.

>>13692249
. . .

Oh. Well nuts. Well, that's rather important too.

Well, where's Norris Packard? Or any other kinda big aces that I don't know of? All I know are Ramba, Norris, the Black Tri-Stars (sadly now deceased), and Char. There were others, right?

WAIT! And Johnny Ridden! Where's he?

Forgot my image.

Wheredat Norris Packard?!

>>13692271
Ridden is Kycilia's attack dog, so he was probably in the Granada fleet. And we can probably expect Shin in the Solomon reinforcement fleet.

>>13692271
With the rest of the Chimaera, being useless, I would assume. Almost done with the Nachtmaren mech database. Couple minutes longer I should think. How about a known associates list?

>>13692271

Norris you haven't seen since Jaburo II, it's possible he survived the Federations assault on the Peking base, but it's equally likely that he died as before.

Johnny Ridden is probably still Kycillia's honour guard and is probably wherever she is.
Hell, it's possible that he's the only military force in Grenada at the moment.

Shin Matsunaga however is quite possibly getting stuck in as we speak, as there is an excellent chance that where Dozle is, Shin will also be.

The situation of Nimbus Schwarzen is also undetirmined. As are several of the IGLOO doomed aces.

>>13692311
Norris is dead? But he saved us! And he's awesome in a Gouf! Goddammit!

Do we have any aces in our attack force aside from ourselves?

>>claimed erchnonc

Claimed by war. . .

You approach the battlefield, it's already clear that a fierce battle has been raging for some time, the shattered ruins of drifting warships can be seen, which are now at least affording friendly (and unfortunately enemy) forces some cover. Combat appears chaotic, with the Federation dealing with attacks from two directions, the still relatively fresh Solomon forces, with two Gwazine class battleships at it's centre, whilst a much smaller but equally detirmined force of survivors from the Grenada fleet harrasses it from another.
Whilst the forces you possess are relatively meagre compared to what the Solomon and Grenada forces have, you're hoping on the element of suprise as well as your anti-beam chaff assault to make your mark.

You double check that everyone knows the plan. Once the assault begins the engineers estimate that the chaff will disperse in 15 minutes or less, so you all have to cause as much damage to enemy forces and then pull out to safety within that time limit.

You check again your suits status: all lights show green.

"Prepare the HLV's for the charge." you order.

It's useless to be going over what Zeon Aces are still alive since the only ones that will count are those already currently engaged at the battle.

Let's go. We have plan of attack, and we should implement it.

>>13692381
Aw shit.

Alright guys. All together now.

'ERE WE GO, 'ERE WE GO, 'ERE WE GO!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

>>13692249
What about the Delaz Fleet, or have they begun their withdrawal operation already?

capcha
>mission newsons

Yes, it is our mission to become the new sons of zeon. SIEG ZEON!

Time for an inspiration battle cry!

>>13692481
"SIEG ZEON!"

>>13692438
>Delaz Fleet
What the fuck are you talking about? They're specifically NOT at this battle. None of the Loyalist forces are.

>>13692481
No! We're closing in, it's time to go silent.

Who shall make the first move? Also, Apologised, how much debris/cover are we working with? Shoal Zone type stuff or the hulks of wrecked Feddie and Zeon ships?

Also, can we deploy the MS06-E for recon purposes to know when the white devils arrive?

>>13692481

"Today, we are death. Death is SILENT. The dying will scream our battle cries for us."

>>We have less total mobile suits than they do
>>We have less ships than they do
>>We have less aces than they do
>>We have less Amuro than they do
>>We have no Ramba Ral
>>We have no Norris Packard
>>We are minus half our forces due to civil war
>>We are minus one Garma in battle
>>Shin is at the other massive clusterfuck battle
>>Dozle is at the other massive clusterfuck battle
>>Kycillia is at Grenada

>>We have less plot armor than they do


Well what the fuck DO we have on our side?

We already gave an inspirational speech when we were lifting off from California Base.
Giving another now would be redundant and unnecessary.

>>13692620
Balls and Heart.

>>13692620
>Shin and Dozle not at the major Federation-Zeon space battle currently going on
What the fuck are you talking about?
The Solomon fleet is fighting at the major battle that we are bringing reinforcements to.
The Luna II Blockade Fleet is currently keeping the Luna II Garrison Fleet from moving, and is another separate battle that we are not going to.

>>13692645
That's all we ever need.

>>13692438

You mean the Luna II garision? They're probably still keeping the enemy in place with a stalemate.

The HLV's flare brightly, like six newborn stars and hurl themselves towards the enemy lines, although they are quickly spotted, the speed at which they're advancing means that the enemy has a short window of time to react.
Beam lance out, strobing at the new targets, but luckily a thin layer of anti-beam chaff manages to deflect the worst of this. Unguided missiles surround the targets, ending in explosive blooms.

Behind this chaotic storm, you and your forces surge forward at full speed, taking advantage of the AB-Chaff wake from behind the 6 HLVs.
The captial ships behind you are firing off any beams they have now before the AB Chaff becomes too heavy and degrades their firepower, where they will switch to conventional weaponry.
Your squad has done as much as possible to optimise in that regard as well. You've taken your Bullpup as well as a Zaku Bazooka, whilst several others in your squad have taken backup 90mm SMG's and similar weapons.

>>13692697
Inevitably however, the HLV's can only take so much attention. As they begin to push past the Salamis and Magellan class vessels and their defending GMs and Balls they begin to encroach on the territory of the Pegasus class assault carriers and their much more fearsome weaponry. The first one explodes to a combined crossfire from a pair of these ships.
Then the faster and more heavily armed Mobile Suits of the Federation are getting involved.
A Sniper II manages to pierce the fuel tanks of one, and it explodes in a mighty fireball, scattering Anti-Beam chaff over a large distance.
Another loses it's port stabilisation thrusters to flak from a trio of nearby vessels and it begins spiraling in a chaotic circle before getting lucky and colliding with an enemy carrier. Whilst not destroyed outright, the vessel is surely crippled and out of this battle. Your forces are beginning to reach the expanding zones of anti-beam chaff left by these dying HLV's and have begun to split into kill teams of 3 and begin sowing as much confusion and damage as possible.

You see a grey Gundam pull out a long hafted beam spear and peel the side of an HLV like and apple, he get's a face full of Chaff for his trouble and the vessel unsteadily continues after him, before exploding. Illuminating his menacing sihlouette for a brief second.

YOU ARE NOW IN THE CENTER PORTION OF THE ENEMY FORMATION.
YOUR ORDERS?

Wait, I thought that Dozle and Shin were at the diversionary assault, not this one.

My herp if otherwise.

>>13692704
Broadcast all around us as strongly as we can, "SIEG ZEON!"

time to do the devil's work, lads

>>13692721
Definitely this. Inspire our troops, demoralize the feds. And then:

Fuck. Shit. Up.

>>13692704
Grey gundam? Any regulars know who that might be?

As for orders:

You are in a target-rich environment.
You might actually have more targets than you have ammo for once in your career.

RIP AND TEAR, NACHTMAREN.
RIP
AND
TEAR

Also fuck up that grey guy if you get the opportunity to do so.

Always keep moving, make ourselves moving targets with erratic patterns so that the enemy forces can't get a fix on us. Go for tactical targets like bridges, engines, and fuel tanks if possible. Take targets of opportunity as they arise. If enemy MS' are fucking up our friends, divert to take them out and free up the friendlies. This is a motherfucking blitzkrieg.

>>13692768
I love the picture. I'm so glad that I recommended a skeleton motif back in those first threads. It's turned out gloriously.

>>13692773
>>13692773
>>13692773
>>13692773
>>13692773
>>13692773
>>13692773


BLIIIITZKRIIIIEEEEEEG!

>>13692768
>You are in a target-rich environment.
>You might actually have more targets than you have ammo for once in your career.

>RIP AND TEAR, NACHTMAREN.
Going to have to go with this. Fire everything, you're bound to hit something. The Feds are going to be at a disadvantage purely because they might have to worry about friendly fire.

>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ackbar_Slash
>The Ackbar Slash was a space warfare tactical maneuver devised by Admiral Ackbar. It involved a fleet's ships forcing their way into the middle of an enemy formation. The desired result was that, with enemy gunners running a high risk of shooting their own forces, they would be hesitant to fire. The other side would have no such risk, and be able to cause higher damage to their enemy. If the enemy ships did choose to fire, the risk of them hitting each other still worked to the advantage of the attacking fleet. In addition, the enemy ships in this situation could usually bring no more than half of their weapons to bear, while nearly all of the weapons on the ships executing the Ackbar Slash could be used, as there would be enemies on both sides to target.


>Also fuck up that grey guy if you get the opportunity to do so
Seconded and thirded.

>>13692768
Not a regular, but the machine is probably an RX-78-3 G-3 Gundam. Just a standard issue RX-78-2 with magnet coating and a low-vis paint scheme.
No idea who the pilot is, maybe Amuro?

>>13692846

That Gundam is more likely to end up wasting our ammo than us wasting him. Save it until the chaff is done and we're on our way out, we can put the beam carbine to use if we've got it then.

APOLOGIZED, YOU HAD BETTER NOT FORGET ABOUT OUR LASER FEET

>>13692768
It's Bandit. He was piloting the G-3 at Jaburo and Odessa.

>>13692904
>LASER FEET
They're more like 'Heat Feet' IIRC.

Mediafire isn't being cooperative, so it's on rapidshare for now.
http://rapidshare.com/files/445048501/GG_ToA_V-_MD_Nachtmaren.rar

The complete Threat of Axis V character database can still be found at http://www.mediafire.com/?zbaoqbunmz9r3c4

Is the Immortal 04th still with Revel?

>>13692904

YOU DON'T HAVE LASER FEET. YOU HAVE HEAT-BLADE FEET IN MUCH THE SAME WAY THE CROSSBONES GUNDAM HAD HIDDEN BLADES IN HIS FEET.

In such a target rich environment you quickly give out the order to seek and destroy any targets of opportunity to all kill teams.
Together, you Zolomon and Jolyne start cutting a swathe through the still disrupted enemy units, probably still wondering why their beam weapons stopped working. Your conventional firearms have no such problems. And between the three of you, you manage to easily kill about 10 Gm pattern Mobile Suits apiece in short order.
You come across an enemy Pegasus and you order Zolomon to engage at close range whilst you strafe the command deck, with Jolyne covering you both. The flak is ferocious, not just from this vessel but another vessel attempting to cover it.
You have time to see it come afoul of a trio of Zaku Kais as you begin your attack run.
You dart inside the enemies flak envelope and send a heavy full burst of fire towards the command tower of the vessel, the heavy armour of the ship ablates much of it, but you see at least one of your shells pierce the enemy window, no doubt causing heavy collatoral damage. The emergency shutters fold down, which will force them to rely on their cameras. Several of which you almost certainly destroyed with that attack.

>>13693100
Suddenly one of the rear engines explodes. This is most likely because it had been severed clean off and had already drifted about 30 meters ways from the vessel.
Zolomon is still as lethal as ever it seems.

You pull out your Bazooka, unfolding it and firing in the same motion at the enemy bridge. It's unlikely to completely destroy it, but there should be some damage at the very least.
Flames and explosions blossom on the far side of where your attacking from as Zolomon scores horrific grooves alongside the enemy vessel.

It is now awash with flames, badly damaged, and listing sideways, and down. You suspect it will be unable to arrest it's own decent and most probably be destroyed when attempting re-entry.

You turn to Jolyne to see her finish off one GM Command wither Beam Naginta before precisely doubletapping another GM behind her through the cockpit area with her wrist mounted vulcan.

Nachtmaren must hold the record for number of capital ships downed in this entire war by now.

>>13693122
GODDAMN
WE ARE AWESOME

>>watif for

>>13693171

Char might still have you beat due to his head start in loum. But otherwise yeah most likely.

>>13693362
So . . . are you waiting for a post from us? Because if you are, then we need something to respond to. Otherwise it's business as usual.

We should see if there's another Trojan we can disable.
The fewer carriers are available for the Feddies, the harder it will be for them to re-arm and re-fuel their MS forces.

After pulling away from the enemy ship you see that it's sister ship is still under attack from the Friendly squad. As it does so you see a heavily armoured Gundam type Mobile Suit engage the friendlies. With a large arm mounted chaingun it shreds one, weathers a storm of 90mm fire from another and then has to dodge the underslung grenade. As a result it's shoulder mounted cannon shot goes wide, only ripping off it's targets arm, leaving it to tumble uncontrollably through space. Missile pods fitted into the armour fire a halo of high velocity ordinance around, forcing the last member of the squad to abort his flanking assault run.

You decide to take this moment to intervene.

The bullets of your Bullpup land on target, but against the heavy Gundamnium armour they do little but distract him. He turns to face you just as you attack him at full speed with a kick. Your foot slams into the large arm gun knocking it back. You extend the heat blade, but it fails to penetrate, knocking you back instead.
You sidestep another brace of missiles and lash out with your heat rod. You manage to grapple the shoulder cannon, and depress the shock capacitors. Lightning arcs across the mobile suit, but it seems for an instant that the suit isn't effected.

Then the external ammo hopper of the cannon explodes. You naturally lose your grip on the target, and he is spun downwards, only just managing to arrest his fall to land on the deck of the Pegasus. He swings his arm gatling around and you have to quickly dodge the salvo of fire.
Zolomon lands heavily besides the enemy Gundam. It has a moment to turn to face the new enemy before a great plume of fire obscures Zolomon and he's thown about as the front portside hangar arm explosively blows itself clear of the ship from Zolomons bisecting strike.

He got THAT trick, from Cima Girahou you note.

Alright. That was cool. And worth the wait.

You take this opportunity to close the gap, you pull out your beam saber and prepare for close combat. The enemy attempts to block with the gatling arm, but your weapon slices through with only minimal resistance. He dashes to the side as the weapon explodes, momentarily obscuring him from you. You dodge the attack you know to be coming and the spot where his beam rifle would have fired becomes empty space.
As it is, the weapons attack scatters the mega-particles harmlessly, doing little more than pitting several areas of your Mobile Suit - more damage than it would have gotten WITHOUT the AB-Chaff ironically enough.
Your reply stroke slices the offending arm off, and you attempt finish the battle by switching hands and going for a backslice, but he manages to use his remaining hand to draw his own beam saber from a hip mounted area, and desperately parries you.
Head Vulcan fire pounds away at your armour, and push away to avoid further damage.

Damn, if you hadn't tried to be clever with switching your hands you could have finished this by drawing your second beam saber...

He jumps backwards, intending to widen the gap further. Then begins launching semi-guided muntions at you in a massive swarm.

You have to dart backwards to give yourself enough time to shoot them down with your head vulcans. By which point the enemy has disengaged.

Elaine seems to have finished dealing with any intruding enemies, whilst Zolomon finishes slicing and dicing the Carrier.
"What's the matter? Newtype?" he asks.

"No, I just got cocky." you reply.

ROUGHLY 5 MINUTES HAVE PASSED

>>13693575
Let's make sure that Heavy Gundam is definitely down.

>>13693675
Ah, shit.

Try not to get tied up with gundams then, we need to maximize damage!

GUNS BLAZING!

>>13693675
Let's find and sink another carrier. The more we down, the less that the Feddies will be able to support their GM's and Gundams, and the better chances that the Zeon forces will have.
And next time, no flashy moves. That's more Zolomon, anyway.

> Implying Zeon has any actual chance in winning this battle, or causing serious losses that would curtain the Federation fleet in future battles.

Zeon, get your shit together.

>>13693806

...still not as retarded as early on in Zeta, where one of AEUG's backers decided it to be a good idea to basically beat the fuck out of Kamille for no good reason.
And everyone seems to think this was a good idea.

Despite the fact that this is Kamille Bidan, the guy who STOLE A FUCKING GUNDAM AND THEN DEFECTED TO THE OTHER SIDE FOR EXACTLY THIS SORT OF BULLSHIT.

Why the fuck he didn't turn around and do exactly that I do not know.

Five minutes are up, that's one third of our time.

Quit dicking around with the gundams and kill more feddies. As many Feddies as you possibly can.

Act like a scythe that harvests several objects in one blow.

Reap.

>>13693806
I will laugh heartily at your defeatist and narrow-minded post when we DO defeat the main Federation space fleet, and then force them to the negotiation table to work out a cease-fire and an end to the One Year War without a Zeon surrender.

Needs more dead mobile suits.

>>13693846
Don't we have them surrounded on three sides?

There's the Cali reinforcements with us, the Grenada fleet, and the Solomon fleet, right?

Where are their backs to?

How many ships does this make for Zol?

>>13693869
By force them to the negotiation table, I'm referring to our ability to continue resistance for far longer, and at much higher cost, than the Federation initially believed possible from Zeon.
Essentially make continuation of the war so expensive, in terms of lives and material, that they choose to accept a cease-fire rather than continue fighting.

Also, by not encircling the Federation fleet, we leave them a path of escape, so that they will not fight to the death at this battle.

>>13693895
Upper left is affiliated faction. EFF, Zeon, Titans, that sort of thing.

>>13693846
I thought the entire point was that despite "being awesome aces" and changing minor events in the OYW, Zeon is destined to lose.

>>13694004

Garma lives. That's not "minor", and likely more of the Zabi's as well. Plus, the more we do, the better position Zeon is at the end.

You tell Zolomon and Elaine that we have to concentrate on the enemy carriers, if we can kill enough Pegasus class vessels then we might stand a chance.
The element of suprise appears to have dissapated. Chaos is the order of the day, and whilst it appears that everything is still going well, the enemy has adapted to their inability to use their beam rifles and the like, and have apparently switched to close combat tactics. The enemy still outnumbers your team badly, if they get organised you're in all kinds of trouble. Anti-Beam Chaff or no Anti-Beam Chaff.

You spot another nearby Pegasus, you don't know whats happening in the outer rings of the Federation formation, and you don't have time to check, but you hope that Char and Dozle and taking advantage of this confusion.

You charge in, the flak is still disorganised, they don't appear to have spotted you. You prepare your Bazooka for a first strike against the command tower...

You only become aware of the grey Gundam in your formation a fraction before he fires his Hyper-Bazooka at you. You invert yourself at him, hoping that the shell might pass between your legs or hit somewhere less vital and fire back with your own Bazooka.

The odds of those two shots managing to collide and explode must have been astronomical.

But nevertheless, that's what happened.
The blast is sufficient blow both him and you backwards, it also disrupts your formation, Jolyne and Zolomon instinctively bank to the sides to try and get a grip on what just happened. Your Mobile Suit is reporting medium damage to your armour due to the close blast proximity, and several breaches in the center torso. No internal damage from the looks of it luckily.

Bandits back.

>>13693895
Well, he's part Ork...so: "Lots".

OH SHIT

>>13694048
Tell Zol and Jolyne to throw some supressing fire at that Gundam then keep going and kill the carrier. We're got their back.

IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR WAY YOU WOULD WANT TO FIGHT THIS FIGHT OUT OF INTEREST?

>>13694098
Awesomely.

>>13694098
Get in close, HAND TO HAND FIGHT WHILE TALKING TO HIM ON SHORTWAVE.

We start by trying to force him to use up all his bazooka ammo. From there, we shell him before he can close the distance. When ranged combat ceases to be an option, we take the fight to him with our beam sabers, heat rods, and LISTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK

>>13694137
CLASH, BANG, SLASH, PUNCH! "One of us isn't going to survive, this time, Bandit."
CLANG, BLOCK, WHIFF, PARRY! "I realize that."
PUNCH, GRAPPLE, BODYSLAM, KICK! "If it's me, then I'm alright with it. You're a good pilot." CLANG. "And from that time I met you, a good man."

>>13694098
Heat Rod to take out his bazooka or the use of one of his suit's limbs, then close combat. Switch up to using both beam sabers if we lose our shield.

>>13693961
This should be fine then.

>>13694098
We have the slight advantage in melee, since the Nacht is basically made of blades and whips. Get in close and show him what that means.

>>13694098
dirty.
Fight up close and dirty.
Shield bash his main camera, attack his maneuvering thrusters with our feet heat-rods, throw our 2nd saber at him when he doesn't expect it.

hell, if there's any space sand then throw that in his eyes to

fuck that guy

>>13690926

Um. Didn't we kill Gato on the Jupiter Ghost? And given that Delaz is one of Gihren's groupies, who the hell's left to pull off Operation Stardu-

...Oh.

>>13694238

Oh? Oh what? What Oh?

I only saw some episodes of Gundam Wing on Toonami ages ago- that and Zeonquest is my source of knowledge on Gundam related stuff. What's up?

>>13694168
>>13694154

In essence then, try to neutralise his Bazooka, and then engage at close range. Right.

You grasp the controls and attempt to shorten the gap. You fire your head vulcans at him, trying to provoke a response more than anything else. He dodges under and fires a second rocket at you. At these close distances you have to use your Gundam Shield to block the attack, the impact is heavy, and you actually see the durable Gundamnium shield begin to fall apart. You lose sight of your opponent and fire your Bazooka forwards blindly. He's already moved out of position, coming at you close from your lower right. Purely on instinct you lash-out with your right leg, he dodges out of the way of your feeble guesture, but clearly wasn't expecting the heat blade that then extended out of it, catching him in the throat.

Even here the armour is gundamnium, and you doubt you do much damage, but it breaks his stride and forces him to dodge backwards even further. Giving you time to stabilise yourself.

>>13694344
TWO MEN ENTER, ONE MAN LEAVES

>>13694048
"Back at Hope.... Why the hell did they send you on a beer run?"

Do we have a picture of the Bandit?

>>13694310

He's interpreting things incorrectly. That's all.

The criteria for Operation Stardust isn't the existence of Delaz and Gato. It's the existence of Jamitov Hyman, a Nuclear Capable Mobile Suit and a Federation Naval review.

Ask yourself, who gained the most from Operation Stardust, and also, who was in the best position to put the wheels in motion.
I'll give you a clue: It wasn't the Zeon Remnant, that's for fucking sure.

>>13694394
Okay!

. . . So what's Operation Stardust?

>>13694344
>Even here the armour is gundamnium, and you doubt you do much damage, but it breaks his stride and forces him to dodge backwards even further.
Bandit: Ain't nothin' gonna to break my stride, Nobody's gonna slow me down, oh-no, I-
*Foot blade*
Bandit: Holy Fuck!

This ends here.

Whatever the fuck we have to do to get the bandit, we do it.

>Do we have a picture of the Bandit?

It's totally Burning, calling it now.

lets not forget to make sure Zol and Jolyne are still moving on fucking up feddy redshirts and whatnot.

We don't want them standing around with their thumbs up their asses, we would look awful silly if one MS tied up 3 of us.

>>13694455
Seconding man to man.

Gundam or no, Bandit isn't better than us.

>Except when he has a tarp...or complete surprise...or, ah fuck it...

>>13694455
Seconding this. We can handle Bandit, but that carrier has to go down!

>>13694498
>>13694540
Yeah but it'd look cooler and far more befitting a god damn GUNDAM if all three of you were required to fight it. Look at the constant examples of this in Gundam, Z Gundam, and ZZ Gundam. Amuro took out the Black Tristars, Camille.... well he killed a lot of 3 man squads full of aces (remember Yazan and his crew?) and Judau fought a Axis Zeon group very similar to the Black Tristars as well.

tl;dr It's more befitting a good narrative and would be instep with the universe.

>>13694573
Fuck that noise! We exist to sunder plot armor!

>>13694573

Yeah, and that group of three inevitably gets fucked over. The Gundam in inconsequential if there aren't any carriers. So we need to occupy Bandit while Joylene and Zolomon focus on the Carriers.

Once again you charge forwards, in an attempt to keep the pressure on. He instead backs up away from you, darting to and fro.
The both of you aggressively dart about dodging each others bazooka fire at incredibly close range, whilst both Jolyne and Zolomon begin to get left behind as they try to keep up, but also deal with several more enemy GMs at the same time.

Eventually, your duel takes you to the Pegasus you had originally targeted in the first place. Your opponent no doubts hopes that the heavy flak fire of the Carrier will cause you problems.
Whilst the frontal missile and flak is too heavy you instead approach swiftly from the underside taking out a couple of light point defence turrets with your head vulcans.
You take the time to reload the Bazooka before replacing it with a Beam Saber, if it's a close range battle he want's it's a close range battle he'll get.

You're fairly sure that the enemy ship your hiding against will be relaying your position to him, so you can't assume you'll be able to take him by suprise, but if he tries to escape, then he risks being attacked from behind by you, possibly Joylne and Zolomon as well.

YOUR ORDERS?

>>13694610

IF HE WANTS TO HIDE BEHIND THE CARRIER, WE MUST CUT THROUGH IT TO GREET HIM.

>>13694626
Man, that is exactly what I thought to do.

Carrier can't relay our location if we're gutting it!

>>13694610
>>13694626
GUYS! GUYS!

... What if there's another Gundam in the Carrier?

>>13694626
glad I refreshed before posting because this is exactly what I was going to say.

He's given us the opportunity to deny him cover, and deny the feddy's a fancy space ship. Two birds, meet one stone.

Bazooka that ship out from under him, use the explosion to close to melee, then heat whip and emp shock his ass. Or throw our 2nd beam saber at him.

Or both.

>>13694626
This. Walk our beamsaber through the ship's hull while we're here.

>>13694610

Hit the central block from the bottom. The portion that cuts power to the engines and probably the rest of the ship.

>>13694662

DESTROY IT AND KEEP GOING.

>>13694610

I'm gonna argue that if he wants to run and hide, let him, and let us fuck up carriers and other GM's and stuff.

Seriously. We have under ten minutes to maximize our damage.

If he gets in our face, fine, fuck him up.

If he tries to bait us away (into what is no doubt a trap) let him fuck off and let us KILL AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN GODDAMN.

Don't be a fool for your tool. Don't let our pride fuck us up guys.

Why wouldn't the Carrier have some GM's, Balls, or Guncannons sticking close to defend it?

It can't be this easy.

>>13694679

I HAVE ALREADY SUGGESTED WE GO AFTER HIM BUT ONLY IN THE PROCESS OF MAULING OUR WAY THROUGH THE CARRIER HE SEEMS TO BE HIDEING BEHIND.

I should point out that diging your way through the carrier with your beam saber would take a fair bit of time and effort. At least 5 more minutes, and that's assuming you want to use THAT MANY panzerfausts and bazooka ammo as well.

>>13694662
GUYS! What if the Carrier IS a Gundam?

*BWONG*

>>13694744

WHAT ABOUT JUST POPPING THE BRIDGE AND ANY IMPORTANT SYSTEMS AND SUB-SYSTEMS WE CAN QUICKLY GET TO IN ORDER TO CRIPPLE IT?

>>13694626
Use both of our beamsabers, and cut through the Central Block.
Force Bandit to come to us as we tear this carrier apart.

>>13694744

THIS IS A HINT PEOPLE

HE HAS DISENGAGED FROM YOU

DO THE SAME AND SCREW UP SOME GM'S

THIS IS US BEING BAITED

GODDAMN WE NEED TO MAXIMIZE CASUALTIES, HE KNOWS WE WANT TO TAKE HIM DOWN, IGNORE HIS FOOL ASS AND JUMP OTHER FEDDIES GODDAMN!

>>13694757
If we hit the engine block, that should take out propulsion and power. They'd be hard-pressed to use their hangars for MS resupply and repair then.

>>13694744
just sever the engine block, or disable the engines.

have Zol or Jo finish it off

>>13694757
>>13694774

You decide to draw him out by attacking the carrier directly.

>>13694747

... you know, I'm pretty sure there's fan-art for the Archangel from SEED doing exactly that.

Also, is 4747 a get?

rolled 26385 = 26385

>>13694781

This.

We engage it tie him up Zol and the rest of the squad clean house.

>>13694781
You are a goddamn idiot.
We're discussing the most efficient manner to disable this carrier, not how to fight Bandit again.

>>13694831
You can't just go up to the engine and hit it with a heat-hawk. We saw what happened to Zaku's and Doms that tried that in the original series.

rolled 32489 = 32489

Oh god.

I hope this doesn't turn into another Hawaii...

IN LIEU WITH THE OTHERS, GOING FOR THE BRIDGE AND ENGINE BLOCK WOULD BE THE BEST CHOICES. ALSO DESTROYING THE LAUNCH BAY'S CAPABILITIES WOULD BE THE MOST EFFICENT MANNER OF DESTROYING SHIT.

>>13694847
Exactly! We go up to the engine and we hit it with Zoloman. That'll get the job done.

>>13694847

THATS WHY WE HAVE HEAVIER RANGED ORDNANCE FOR THIS PERITCULAR JOB.

Starting with the Engine block you begin to methodically shear off the entire engineering section.
You're pretty sure somewhere around here is that sweetspot that takes out the fusion reactor too...

In any case, your actions as planned did manage to draw him out, as he assaults you from above, brandishing his beam spear like before. You spin away from the "spear head" although it's a close thing and the temperature in left head vulcan ammo hopper spikes. Much to your onboard computers alarm.

With your rotational momentum you're able to parry the second thrust, but take a solid blow to the head with the back of the spear. Your camera's jerk with the blow obscuring your vision for a second and you instinctively dodge to the side.

Alarm warnings start blaring from the left shoulder, telling you that the shoulder mounted verniers have taken damage, also the hydraulic pulse lines in the shoulder are registering dangerous heat levels as well. You vision has reset by this time however allowing you to take stock of the situation.

You've taken some damage in the shoulder, he's largely unharmed. Both your wingmen will be here shortly to finish the deal if this fight lasts even than long. You have a Beam Saber, he has a Beam Spear.
The temperature in your head vulcans is still dangerously high, you don't think they'll cook off, but firing them now might make it happen.

YOUR ORDERS?

WE NEED TO TALK TO HIM AS WE FIGHT HIM

"ITS BEEN GOOD FIGHTING YOU" AND WHATNOT

WE NEED TO PUSH THIS TO THE LIMIT

LIMITER RELEASE

GIVE IT EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT

WE NEED TO ENTER NEWTYPE SPACE

>>13694916
limiter release
feint with a saber throw
chop the head of his beam spear off with our other saber.

as long as he keeps that spear we're at a disadvantage

>>13694916
Attempt a disengage so that Bandit will follow us. That will give Zol and Jol an opening to sink this carrier.
With Bandit tied up with us, the rest of the Nachtmaren and our California contingent should be free to wreak havoc on the remaining carriers.

>>13694956
Keep doing spins too, with our heat feet and the saber and all kind of razzle dazzle and skill.

>>13694916
Heat Rod if we havent used it against him yet, otherwise I'm tempted to throw out shield at him which is on the verge of disintegrating.
Once that's taken care of go back to dual beam sabers and slice off the end of his spear the next time he tries to stab us.

>>13694942
>>13694942
>>13694942
>>13694942
>>13694942

If we're doing this, we're doing it right.

Let's hit ourselves some newtype space. Let's unlock everything and let loose with everything. Let's do this thing.

> mfw we blow up his spear and bazooka and he manages to grab a beam spray gun and beam saber from some dead GM floating by.

>>13694942
>>13694956
>limiter release
What indicates that the limiter is still on? You'd think 'disengage systems limiter' would be one of the first things we do on entering a big fight.

>>13694957
If we can draw him around for a change, that would be good. Otherwise we just need to keep him occupied. We don't necessarily need to take him out, just neutralize him so he can't guard anything. That way the rest of our team can keep the feds as a whole off balance so they die faster.

Nacht Zaku doesnt have a Limiter to relase guys.

>What indicates that the limiter is still on
It would be foolhardy to presume that something the DM hasn't mentioned has already happened. Since Apologized hasn't specifically stated that David has released the limiter, we have to assume that it's still engaged or whatever

>>13695078
Wait, we're still using a Zaku? A pimped out Zaku sure, but a ZAKU?

Why aren't we using Gelgoogs?

>>13695099
As Arty said, the Nacht Zaku doesn't have a limiter to release.

I know I've herped myself in the past, but you guys are getting close to derping.

>>13695099
I remember us having this same conversation the first time we hit Jaburo and tangoed with a Gundam. We got a number of posts into a close combat fight and there was a lot of shouting "TURN OFF THE LIMITER OR YOU WILL DIE". Apologised came back with "Oh, and btw your limiter has been off since the start of the fight". It's extremely likely that the limiter would be auto-off by now. This isn't a fight we entered thinking 'let's be cautious and hold back a lot, just in case'. I actually don't think we would have had the limiter on since before we sortied to aid the Luna II blockade.

I don't actually see anywhere that Apologized stated what suit we were in, so I have no idea if we're in the Zaku or not. It would seem kind of idiotic to me to be in a freakin' Zaku this late in the war, but whatever.

Anyway, Apologized is probably currently writing up something that is going to make the limiter release issue a moot point, so just wait it out guys.

>>13694984
>>13694956

You lash out with your heat rod and he nimbly dodges into your inside so you can't draw the lash towards him without intangling yourself. Before he dissapears out of your field of vision behind your shield you blow the connecting bolts and the shield falls away into space.

Man, and it'd served you so well too. I guess it's just some shields fates to get thrown away...

You dodge another thrust from the spear.

You jump back a short distance and then throw your beam saber at him as he attempts to follow up. He nimbly deflects it with the small beam head of the spear and sends it tumbling out to space. You take advantage of this moment and attack with your second beam saber. He pulls back a fraction before you could connect, but because of him holding the spear in one hand, momentum causes the end of it to jerk backwards towards you. You manage to slice this part of his weapon clean off. He tosses what's left of his weapon at you, you duck underneath and push forward eager to try and capitlise on the situation... when the ruined spear explodes.
The concussive force blows you forwards uncontrollably and you collide with him. The two of you roll in space in a clinch. His head vulcans spit at you as you roll, but his aim is off, scoring in glancing blows on your rear backpack. Your own vulcans are still cooling down.
Sodding laws of thermodynamics in a vaccum.

It's too close to use the heat rods and the power supply to the Beam Saber reset itself when you collided. You roll like this for a few more sickening seconds, neither of you having the upper hand until there's a great hollow "clonk" sound and the the G-3 spins away from you before stabilising.

Zolomon and his Gyan Kreiger takes position besides you. Jolyne does likewise.
"Sorry were late boss, we had to deal with the carrier first."
The explosion behind him punctuates the statement nicely.

>>13695123
1) Because Gelgoog didnt reach mass production for our faction once the YMS-14 production line at Pezun was destroyed.
2) Because an Act Zaku has magnetic coated joints that gives better reaction speed. Meaning that the base Act Zaku outperforms the base Gelgoog minus the Beam sabers.

>>13695196
The Zaku's were practically cannon-fodder by the end of the war being pushed out the door solely because they needed as many people as possible piloting mobile suits.

Doms were too large and bulky compared to the GM to outperform it. Only the Gelgoog and maybe Gyan were acceptable, and they had no way to manufacture enough of them or train enough pilots.

>>13695196

The bulk of Zeon's space forces by the time of Abowaku (I use Schodt's spelling, fuck off) were still in Zaku IIs because of the hardship of resources to produce enough Rick Doms. Gelgoogs were actually pretty rare except in the Home Fleet and in special forces units.

Besides, half the Zeon aces that died at Abowaku were using souped-up performance Zaku IIs.

>>13695203
FUCK
YES

>>13695196
>>13695123

We are in a massively pimped out Act-Zaku, which even in it's orginal form was agile and dangerous enough for the Titans to use it as far in as UC 0087.
The one WE have, has got a Gelgoog Jaegers Reactor, heavier armour, improved verniers to deal with the heavier armour, the ability to use beam weapons, two Beam Sabers, a pair of Gouf Custom style heat rods in the forearms, heat blades ala Crossbones Gundam in the feet and head vulcans.

Demand his surrender.

> Team mates blow up the Carrier while we were busy

I can't help but feel a little incredulous at this information. If it was that easy to blow a Pegasus up Gundam 0079 would have been over by episode 4.

Still, the story is whatever IAo4 wants it to be, so on with the show.

>>13695270
fuck that noise, broadcast on an open channel and demand the surrender of ALL federation forces in the immediate area.

Since, you know, their "ace" obviously isn't able to save them.

How much time has passed roughly?

>>13695291
Minovsky particles would be jamming you. You just herped so hard you derped.

rolled 5833 = 5833

>>13695281

Well it was severly damaged int he initial scrum.

>>13695309
I mostly meant it as a personal jab at Bandit, since he's so close I figured he'd be the only one to hear it.

indirect psychological combat, y'know?

>>13695309
Are you a Newtype?

>>13695203
Now would seem like a good time to halo him with ranged weapons fire so that even if he dodges he'll be hit by something.

>>13695364
If he was even bothering to listen he'd know you have no way of contacting anything due to the range/ particle density.

He'd know you were trying to fuck with him.

>>13695364
Not...really, since it would make us look like some gloating 13-year old griefer on Xbox Live. Professional soldiers don't do that.

>>13695281
I think this brings out Peg kills in the war to six. I think. And there are 15 of the pale bitches in this battle alone (which is probably almost all or all of the hulls active at the moment). At this point I'm pretty sure the Law of Conservation of Ninjutsu is coming into play somewhat.

>>13695203
Open up on Bandit with all weapons (minus still-cooling head vulcans) so that he can't escape.

>>13695281

That's because White Base never got attacked by Zolomon Ringo in a Gyan Kreiger.
I'm pretty at this point Zol is in the position where if he angled his charge just right he could split the moon in two.

Holy shit, we are in super robot territory here folks.

It's quite simple. HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT VICTORY?

>>13695364
Only an idiot, or an unprofessional teen forced into being a soldier, would fall for such an obvious trick.
Bandit is neither of those.

>>13695364
Seconding the communication.

Bandit has got to be close to a breaking point. I mean, as much as we hate not killing him, imagine how he feels.

Everywhere we go, we fuck shit up massively and the feddies never seem to get the upper hand on us. We've charged into their strongest positions and came back in one piece. We've fought gundams and won. We've personally ruined Bandit on multiple occasions.

He has got to be getting tired of this.

Listening to The Way of the Warrior while reading about the success of my plan. Life is fucking good.

IC, does david know that Bandit was the man he helped with back during the time of mastodon battalion? If we know that, we should totally make some cryptic comment about our fates being tied together since that day, and how this fight was fated or something like that.

>>13694394
well fuck. So its a play for power by the federation warhawks/ titans? I think i had anticipated some thing like this looong ago, but never had any reason to think about it more than the possibility of operation stardust happening.

>>13695394
>>13695395
>>13695451
I agree. We're professions damn it.

>>13695455
This is usually the point in the story that one of the supporting characters plot armor fails.

Brace for Bandit Newtype killing Zolomon

>>13695507
>Brace for Bandit Newtype killing Zolomon

SHUT. UP.

>>13695507

It's not meant to be gloating. It's cold and it's dead serious. The invincibility of the gundam is a core federation belief. We just proved that the invincibility doesn't translate to anyone else. We are outnumbered, outgunned, and potentially doomed.

We need a psychological advantage. If we can chip away at them, we might force an early withdrawal.

>>13695567
> Trauma from watching his carrier die unlocks his newtype potential.

The three of you are about to fan out to encircle your opponent when suddenly there is a flash of blue, and your oppoent flys out of view, tumbling. The grey gundam takes the opportunity to make a break for it. But Instead of being rescued however, you get the impression that your opponent has just been roughly ejected from the fight.
The blue fireball bounces erratically before landing on a fragment of Pegasus carrier seperated in the earlier fighting.

It then resolves into a Gundam like shape, surrounded by a halo of blue flame. It appears to be a Pixy class Gundam, configured for space use.

Then another one lands alongside him.

a third one then spins into position behind you

another erratically takes position on your left.

Their movements are jerky, erratic, unpredictable and faintly inhumanlike. You get a great sense of disquiet eminating from the four mobile suits, and instinctiviely the three of you cover each others backs in preparation for the battle about to come.

Then the fifth Gundam appears. Wreathed in blue flame like all of the others this one appears of a different make, similar to the older [g] type ground gundams, it's movements appear different as well. They are tighter, more controlled, more normal, bereft of flourishes or extraneous movement in any way.
The five enemies surrounding you take their positions.

"Well fuck." you comment.

TO BE CONTINUED

>>13695621

He already was a newtype.

>>13695569
What? That's the kind of logic that made the Dolos seem like a good idea. The Fed admirals here aren't that retarded and certainly aren't going to listen to some enemy pilot yelling out random crap he thought up off the top of his head.

Seriously, we're a spec-ops assault team, not part of the propaganda bureau. Why does everybody keep thinking that David yelling shit over open comms will somehow pass Minovsky interference and affect the enemy? Contrary to what the anime portrays, that doesn't work all that well.

rolled 3545 = 3545

>>13695634

>>13695621
This. As a Newtype, Bandit has probably left Amuro behind and has entered Kamille territory.

We're not leaving this without some serious damage.

>>13695569
A core belief that we set back to the drawing board in northern Canada back when we were still all in Doms.

For bandit we could try the 'fighting as a moral debate with your opponent' strategy. Although I'm not sure just what we'd debate about. We might be rivals with this guy, but we don't have the deep antagonistic relationship that Char and Amuro have. Banter maybe?

>"A Gundam might be a potent weapon, bandit, but a sword is only as strong as the hand that wields it!"

...Or are hand related lines a little too below the belt AND bad villain punnery to boot?

>>13695634
Oh.
Shit.

>>13695621
The trauma of losing his arm (at Loum?) likely unlocked bandit's Newtype potential.

>>13695634
Oh great. And we couldnt outrun them even if we wanted to because Pixy's are built so light. I'd rather be fighting a couple squadrons of GM Light Armor types. On the plus side we're drawing their attention away from the rest of the Zeon forces.

>reathed in blue flame like all of the others this one appears of a different make, similar to the older [g] type ground gundams, it's movements appear different as well.

W-what is the BD-03 doing here?

>>disquiet

Are we seriously about to fight five suits with EXAM systems or something like that inside them?

With only three of us?

>>13695634
>five-against-three

Dammit. This would be messy even if we hadn't worn ourselves down dueling with Bandit. And now we've got to take out a team of insane psychic gundam zombies.


...Do we have any potential backup available?

WHERE'S THE OMAKE?

>>13695634
....Fuck.

I was really hoping that the Pixies would be tasked with guarding Revil, instead of hunting us.

...I guess we turned into the Zeonic equivalent of the White Base and the Gundam for the Federation, after all of our successes.

>>13695785

Sorry, I'm too tired for an Omake.

>>13695833

Sometimes, a cliffhanger works JUST FINE.

This works. Really good. Pardon me, changing pants.

>You get a great sense of disquiet eminating from the four mobile suits, and instinctiviely the three of you cover each others backs in preparation for the battle about to come.

>The three of you

>David, Jolyne and Zolomon

Where's Elaine?

>>13695799
Honestly, I wouldn't use these guys as guards for anything vital. They're more useful as terror weapons and too creepy to be hanging around HQ where all the troops can see them. And you probably want guards that are more stable than these guys.

>>13695882
I'm assuming that Elaine is with Bernie, Calvin, and Hovis.

As for the Pixies, I see your point. But the last time we fought them they were being used to guard Revil's flagship (which he had abandoned shortly before we arrived, escaping our grasp).

>>13695929
The omake for that episode was a Federal report on equipping them with EXAM systems and making them squadmates to Yuu in the BD-3. Apparently they're now exclusively headhunters and shock troops.

>>13695974
Shit. This isn't good.

>>13695634
Last Stand of Natchmaren? Well fuck, lets make it a big one. EVERYTHING DIES! Now is the time to go full newtype and make our name even more of a legend.

Seriously, 5 gundams for us? Trained by the only guy to survive us, and with him as backup(sort of). And they have EXAM systems. Man, we must have really pissed of Revil, or somebody high up the chain of command. Realistically, we can't escape them, so we have to either beat them, hope for somebody to show up as a big damn hero (personally, Dozle and the big zam would make my day, or the rest of Natchmaren to make the odds better) Or, last option, which we totally don't want, is to sacrifice someone for the possibility of escape, and high tail it back to whatever allied forces are nearby. Alternatively, one of our teammates either appears to get killed, or gets killed, and we go on a rampage kicking the shit out of everything in sight.

>>13695799
>>13695974
>>13695929
They were created as a counterpart to us. It only makes sense that they would be used against us in this climatic battle, where they have the greatest chance of finishing us.

>>13695974
Ah, I'd forgotten about that omake.

>You dodge the attack you know to be coming and the spot where his beam rifle would have fired becomes empty space.
>As it is, the weapons attack scatters the mega-particles harmlessly, doing little more than pitting several areas of your Mobile Suit - more damage than it would have gotten WITHOUT the AB-Chaff ironically enough.

Jolyne could use her backpack beam cannon as the equivilant of a beam shotgun with all of the chaff around. Sure it'd be close range only but beams ignore luna titanium.

>>13696060
You sure it'd work?

And what happens when the minutes are up? Do fifty bazillion lasers start firing again when the chaff is all gone?

>>13696058
What thread number was that?

I was a bit more worried about the omake that had Char facing off against Amuro in THIS MONSTER, considering that the Solomon Express is pretty much the Federation's version of the Jupiter Ghost. The implications of that being deployed are somewhat worrying.

>>13696119
There were 2 different ones. 1 just after we fought the Pixy's saying that they recomended fitting them with the EXAM system. The second one was later on after they'd managed to get enough pilots together that could mentaly survive the suits.

>WE'RE COVERED IN EXAM
>kite the EXAMs over to wherever Amuro is
>give Mr. Plot Armor a BSOD courtesy of his own side
>Zeonface.jpg

>>13696155
Found the first one:
>>MESSAGE TO: General A. Revil
>>FROM: Lt Lloyd Baxter
>>SUBJECT: Further notes post-debrief

>>Whilst overall our first sortie against the Nachtmaren went badly, with the loss of Private Renault and Corporal Argentine being effectively out of the war due to injuries, all but one suit relatively undamaged.
>>I still think it needs pointing out that taking on the Nachtmaren Unit in open terrain is effectively suicide and has been known to be so for a while.
Under the circumstances, we should be glad as many of us survived as we did.

>>Further to your discussion however, I do agree with your suggestions and I propose utilising technologies from the [CLASSIFIED] project to enhance the Pixy suits. I've already been talking to the Project Leader, and he's aggreed to create a retrofit package (tentatively entitled the RX-78-XXBD model) and also allot us training time with the Marmot Unit CO, who is currently the only man to take on the Nachtmaren Unit and come out almost entirely unscathed, whilst outnumbered almost 5 to 1.
Hopefully this will finally give us the edge to deal with the Nachtmaren on at the very least an even footing.

>>END.

WE ARE SO *SCREWED!*

>>13696123
This is THE space battle. The federation tricked us into a stand up fight, with their fleets pretty much perfectly positioned. They want to do as much damage as fast as possible. One of the ideas i tossed around with a couple of other people here was a mass produced version of the Jupiter Ghost being used as a rapid attack unit, using its speed and I-field to speed into the enemy lines, launch its missiles, and then retreat before they get a chance to respond. The reason amuro got sent out in that is pretty much the same reason, they want to do MASSIVE DAMAGE! as fast as possible. If the rest of Natchmaren isn't coming to help us, i hope they are heading out to help him.

>>13696213

Given that Char is probably fighting Amuro right now, wouldn't that fuck him over as well?

sage for cancer thread

>>13696272
If the two of them end up killing each other, is that really a bad thing?
I know, Zeon loses it's Ace, the Red Comet. But on the plus side, the Gundam, the White Devil, is no more.
I think it evens out in the end.

>>13696260
>>13696289

No Anonymous, you are the cancer.

And then troll was a lumpy testicle.

>>13696307
I know.
The sticky is gone for...what, less than a month? And already these fags are coming back out of the woodwork.

>>13696272
Isn't EXAM meant to take a mundane pilot and turn them into something more Amuro-like? You'd think that putting a newtype into a newtype brain simulation system would kind of defeat the purpose of the whole thing. At best it'd be distracting and insanity inducing.

>>13696320
He's just fishing for attention. This doesn't even qualify as babby first troll.

A point I'd like to make as a casual outside observer is that there doesn't seem to be much tension. Even with the weird alternate universe going on here it doesn't seem like Zeon has a chance of winning, or of even settling the war on good terms.

Yet the tone is one of invincible plot armor.

Part of what made Gundam so compelling is that the enemy faction would have a number of successes despite the efforts of the protagonists. Characters died in 0079 making the mood bittersweet. In 8th team the village is fucked over, and the Guntanks are destroyed. In 0083 despite their efforts the nuke is launched. In 0080 Bernie's efforts are meaningless and the infiltration crew wiped out. In Zeta Gundam the Titans gas a colony, commit all kinds of massacres, and manage to kill numerous pilots and ships. In ZZ Axis drops a fucking colony on Dublin and several cast members die.

Do you see where I'm going with this? There doesn't feel like there is any sort of risk or tension. Even though we should be shitting ourselves for the Pixies showing up, the odds are that very little will actually result from it, and the writing will delve into a gundam equivalent of Gurren Lagan rather than the military science fiction the series is known for.

Keep this in mind when you right your next unrelated quest thread Op.

>>13696432
We've been kicking ass and taking names for the better part of a year in-game, and quite possibly our main immediate contribution has been inciting a civil war that caused Zeon to lose even faster.

It's pretty damn effective to have all our efforts come to nothing because even a squad of Newtype badasses can't overcome the Federation's overwhelming numerical and industrial superiority.

>>13696385
>At best it'd be distracting and insanity inducing.
They want to get the EXAM suits near Amuro for specifically that reason.

Now in character what we've seen is that other than the big bad who we've fought before the others seem kinda unstable. Hopefully we can use this to our advantage somehow. What are some classic things that caused insanity to pilots in some of the other series? I cant say any are sprining to mind for me atm.

>>13696092
>You sure it'd work?
Not really, but we're going to be getting desperate. I'm sort of hoping Elaine will come in and attack one of them from behind like that since she was supposedly nearby. That or it was apologised getting Elaine and Jolyne mixed up again.

Found the second one!
-OMAKE--

>>"...thank you 2nd Lieutenant Kojima. You concerns are duly noted. Lt Baxter, what's you're assesment of the new Pixy?"

>>Lt Lloyd Baxter twitched, as he'd found himself doing lately, as he turned to address the Rear Admiral.

>>"There have been some adjustment complications, but the results s-s-speak for themselves. You can't argue that their performance is well above anything they were able to before. I'll ad-admit to a certain level of bugs and kinks within the system that might, might be causing feedback to the pilot, but that could easily be simply problems with accurately r-r-replicating the EXAM equipment from Morsers notes now that he's dead."

>>"So in your opinion Lieutenant, the Midnight Pixy Deathsquad is combat ready?"

>>"Absolutely." Lloyd confidently returned.

>>'...and little else but combat.' he thought to himself darkly. 2 prospective pilots have nearly been driven insane with the systems strange properties, and the ones who he was left with were broken men and women. But broken things have sharp edges, and can make the best weapons, as long as you take care not to cut yourself.
>>Lloyd knew that Kojima was handling it, he could see it was an uphill battle, but nonetheless Yuu was handling it.
>>And if Kojima could do it, then so could he.
FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU! We're facing lunatics with contagious insanity and beam weaponry!

Meh. shitty nolife thinks anyone actually cares about his sage, just fooling himself. FFS, he started saging AFTER everything important happened. Anything after the end of chapter post is either strategy, weapon ideas, or otherwise not related.

>>13696385
Aparently the fact that EXAM has a disected newtype soul in it lets it mindrape any nearby newtypes, or at least seriously fucks with them. Read the last couple of threads, when we just TOUCHED Cima, who was piloting an EXAM using MS, we got mindscrewed. The description was like someone had taken a cheese grater to our skull, while a chorus of the damned screamed in our ears. Lovely description yes? Which is why pretty much everyone in the thread shit bricks when we found out we were fighting 5 EXAM using gundams.

>>13696432
you didn't notice how many people proceeded to shit bricks when the pixies showed up? And about the war, we knew we were screwed since Odessa, when we got nuked by Gihren. The victory we will hopefully win, is merely that Zeon will survive, not become a puppet government like it did in the main timeline. We went to ridiculously insane lengths, and did the impossible( take down 4 pegasus carriers in like 15 min, considered impossible before we did it), and it didnt change anything.

>>13696432
There is always risk in what we do.
We go to great lengths to be prepared and to minimize random chance as a factor in all of our plans.

Also, from a strategic perspective, our actions have worsened Zeon's position in some areas.
We are unable to mass-produce the Gelgoog due to Gihren stealing the production data and the scientists involved in the project, Zeon is divided in a civil war even as the Federation is at Side 3's doorstep, and by destroying the Salamis and Magellan shipyards, we've forced the Federation to switch production to Pegasus Assault Carriers, nearly tripling their number compared to the canon timeline.

Even so, by careful planning and not falling to genre blindness, the survival of Zeon by the signing of a cease-fire and peace treaty is still possible.

>>13696469
Don't forget how we massively accelerated MS development, and inadvertently cause the Federation to do the exactly the same. Or how by raiding Jaburo and toasting the warship production line we produced a situation where the Feds have launched over 20 Pegasi, where in the canon timeline they had only made like seven by the time the Ablion launched in 0083. And we did kind of spark off the whole civil war thing. Go us!

But we did save Garma! That's a big something.

>>13696566
It's not merely the performance boost that the EXAM System provides to the pilot; it's that nearly half of Nachtmaren are Newtypes, and so we are FUCKED when fighting EXAM suits.

>>13696594
Or more likely our efforts to thwart the federation will lead to a BRUTAL titans-esc occupation of Side 3 by the year 0083. We'll have pissed off the federation so badly that they don't even need the traditional events of 0083 to occur. They'll go from OYW to full on titans mode.

We'll also have been directly responsible for Gihren creating advanced as fuck Mobile Suits with advanced psycomm systems, more crazy ass super-weapons instead of practical suit designs, and who knows what the fuck else. I wouldn't be surprised if the Quebley was invented half a decade sooner.

So actually we made the UC timeline a WORSE place to live, with a high likelyhood that there will be a higher projected body-count over the next 20 years than there was in the vanilla UC timeline.

>>13696432
As a casual outside observer, you do not have the emotional investment that the rest of us have.
What seems to be merely inconveniencing for you, can be pant-shitting huge to us.
Also, the sense of accomplishment that we received when we saved Garma, and then through Omake found out about how he would go on to glory in North America, is something that you will never experience.

Perhaps, from a casual outside perspective, the writing is unmoving.
But for us, who have fought, planned, and shed tears alongside David Lister and the Nachtmaren as they blazed a blood-soaked path through the One Year War, it is an experience that we will always have with us.

>>13696660
Hey look on the bright side? Garma probably married/ marries that girl from Earth, and Minerva gets to grow up with at least one sane family member (who's still alive to boot!)

>>13696660
How was any of that our fault? Revil is still alive, and between him and Corwen there's more then enough clout to stonewall Jamitov for some time.

And we had nothing to do with Gihren's coup. At all. Nor has he produced any psycommu designs whatsoever, those are all products of Kycilia and Flanagan. Zeon suit design has progressed very closely to canon, just slightly accelerated due to more rigorous prototype testing and mass production of the Gyan over the Gelgoog.

>>13696755
> Revil's still alive
> For now.

Truth is, we've likely done what we can to shift the bloodshed around...and Garma actually acts as a benefit in being a thorn in the Federation, meaning they'll treat the colonies better (if only to give them a reason to get him to stop raiding and reaving) postwar.

As long as Gihren exists, we have to keep fighting. Otherwise, the genocidal madness will be the legacy of the Zabis, one that ends up crushing Zeon under it's own weight.

If that happens, the One Year War will be only a tragedy without a gleam of hope.

>more crazy ass super-weapons
We sank the Dolos (which he would have built anyway), we took out the Jupiter Ghost, and we thwarted the Nuke at Odessa. If he's tried to pull a megalomania scheme and gotten away with it, we haven't heard of it. Maybe he's been working on a colony laser, but the civil war did severely curtail his access to resources which only got progressively worse as we exposed how much of a raging cunt he really is. So aside from the more advanced suit designs Gihren might have had LESS chance to build super weapons than in canon.

>instead of practical suit designs
You're asking Gihren to be reasonable and practical? A hopeless lost cause on all fronts.

>>13696802
If we're going to lose badly then he damn well better stay that way.

>>13696385
>Isn't EXAM meant to take a mundane pilot and turn them into something more Amuro-like?

No, EXAM is to Newtypes what Jurgen is to Psykers. Simply being within line-of-sight of it is enough to give you trouble, getting too close can melt your brain.

Which is exactly why we want them to get as close to Amuro and other Feddie Newtypes as possible, given that as is they're likely to melt our plot armor faster than ice blocks in a magma flow.

>>13696867
Versus the Zabi's committing mass fratricide, Char killing Garma, and Amuro killing Dozle, and the future consisting of guerilla conflicts that seemingly have no end.

>>13696875
If Zeon were to have signed the peace accord instead of being LAZERD by Gihren then things might have gone better.

With Revil dead there was little in the way of effective leadership of the Federal forces. Thus TITANS EVERYWHERE following the damage done by 0083 murdering all those officers.

If Revil dies then Zeon is fucked.

>>13696876
This is part 91, at the open of what could be the last major battle of the war. If what apologised said way back was true, at this point EVERYONE'S plot armor has half-lifed away to terminally thin levels. Everyone is fair game at this point, including Amuro, White Base, and Char.

>>13696876
"Get in as close as you can!"
"We won't last long against those Newtypes-"
"You'll last longer than you will against that EXAM!"

>>13696723
Err, Dozle hasn't died yet. We might be able to make a difference there, but thats still up in the air. Same with Kycelia.

In the end, the absolute BIGGEST thing we can do, is make sure that the peace talks go through, and preferably in a 6 mile deep bunker hidden underneath von braun, instead of in a spaceship. If we arrange for a decoy meeting at the original place, and have the actual one happen in neutral territory, then my good end plan becomes possible. There has to be some way we can get assigned for bodyguard duty on that, and it would be hilarious if Revil brings along bandit and amuro as his guards. If the Zeon-Federation war ends, then we can focus on killing Gihren, as part of a joint venture to ensure peace. I'm going to have to hunt through the earlier threads and find that plan again. I think a bunch of people liked it. Gihren would unwittingly act to ensure peaceful coexistence, by being the threat against which we can rally.

>>13696953
>I see what you did there
Well, let's do it.
We might not be above the moon, but I think it's close enough.

>>13696958
I don't see how the Federation would tolerate the Zabi's. Every single of them save for Garma and Dozle are psychopaths. Even Degwin. They initiated a war that killed billions. Dozle and Garma might survive simply for not participating in war crimes and generally being murderous assholes.

I just don't understand how they could get through a post-war tribunal without being executed or imprisoned for decades.

>>13696998
Well if I was the Federation the first thing I'd demand the Zabi's do was renounce the notion of spacenoid supremacy in a colony spanning announcement.

>>13696998
Kycilia survives for the same reason von Braun or Unit 731 did: her knowledge (of the Flanagan Institute, in her case) will be useful to the victors.

Gihren survives for a little while because they need to make enough clones for everybody to have one to execute.

>>13696998
actually i factored that in. Part of the peace accords would be that they don't charge the remaining Zabis, and we put Garma, the best regarded Zabi as head of Zeon. He managed to occupy earth without blatant atrocities happening, so they will be more accepting of him. Also, we blame everything we can on Gihren, which we found to be damn near every big crime that happened. :D

Part of the reason I want to put Garma in command, is because he and Icelina have a thing going, Garma is a space born, and Icelina is an earth born, so a marriage between the two would be seen as a possibility of coexistence.

>>13697011

Actually, in some ways the OYW is a lot like WWII.

Think of an announcement like that as being similar to the beginning of peace in Japan.

Japan, as you may notice hasn't done too badly since.

>>13696998
Kycilia isn't a psychopath, she's just very progressive and has few moral scruples. Likewise sure, Degwin may have assassinated Deikun, but it's not like he's Space Hitler or something, just his old, regretful dad.

>>13696998
Dozle was the Admiral in charge of carrying out the colony drops and Loum. He's guilty of war crimes/crimes against humanity in the Federations eyes. If we're lucky we might be able to get immunity for him and the other officers involved in the colony drop in the surrender agreement. I wouldnt bet on that happening with the colony gassings though. Wasnt Kycilia in charge of those?

>>13696998
And if the Feds do anything permanent to Garma they're probably going to have to kill every citizen in side 3 who has a once of patriotism in them, because that's what it'd have to take to end the war between earth and space. It'd prove everything that the propaganda has ever said about earthnoid intentions in space and then some.

Not to mention it'd be a really stupid move to make him and the rest of his family martyrs to the real crazies of zeon while keep the one stable zabi in the cooler where he can't be a moderating influence back in side 3.

>>13697011
I can see the reasonable intent behind this, but I can also see it playing out in the same way Versailles went when France forced Germany to accept the morale blame for WW1. It'll be a shaming event that will brew nothing but animosity.

Morses is dead, and the BD-3 (or is it BD-1. Pretty sure it survived Jaburo, and it didn't attack California) is still around. That means this is where Nimbus shows up to go "I am the best pilot for EXAM!" (in the BD-2, maybe BD-3. See above.) And then everyone dies, except for Yuu. Unfortunately for Marion Welch, there's still an EXAM Gyan somewhere on Earth.

>>13697085
I never understood why Zeon thought gassing a colony of helpless neutral civilians was in the best interest of zeon. Everyone but Garma deserves a military tribunal and imprisonment, if not death.

>>13697101
Zeon is to blame for the OYW. Forcing reparations however is meaningless. But forcing a moral guilt? That's entirely acceptable.

The notion of spacenoid supremacy and seperatist sentiment is what kept the Zeonic wars going for so long. Garma marrying an Earth Woman and renouncing the divine Newtype mandate would be in the best interest of all sides.

>>13697107
>Marion Welch
;__;

>>13697083
>Likewise sure, Degwin may have assassinated Deikun

Actually, Gihren was behind THAT one too. Remember the teacup?

>>13697150
If she's REALLY unlucky, she'll be reborn as NT-004. Well, that's a lie. NT-004 is just a palatte swap of her.

>>13697085
Cima got blamed for the gassing i think, at some point i think it was said that Gihren was behind them, dont remember though. If it was said, it was in the same thread I put my plan for a good end.

Also, As far as everyone knows Degwin didn't have anything to do with Deikun's death. It was pretty obvious he would have to step down permanently though.

>>13697114
Meta-wise, I think it was part of the creator's on going attempts to see how far he can push the Zeonic horribleness before we actually turn and dislike them. Which we won't because Zeon is awesome, aside from the horrible warcrimes.

>>13697174
It's probably a good thing that right now she's hanging with Mr. No Misfortune himself then? She could really use a CO who'd stick up for her in a bad spot.

>>13697173
You know, I was never so much into the gundam universe. I mean, I had watched MSG and Wing, but was never that deep into the lore until I came to Japan. I got into the 0083 gundam arcade game and the first card I received for playing was hers.

Of course, my ability to read anything in moonspeak at the time was minimal and I was absolutely flustered as to who she was. I did some researching and eventually discovered her back story, leading into learning about EXAM, and the rest of the background details I had never known.

It was fucking depressing.

Not that it mattered to imaginary character, or anyone else real for that matter, but I wanted to do something about it. I played the hell out of that game. She would go on to be my highest ranking pilot, as I used her every time I played.

>>13697202
Pfft. Stick up for her? Heh, my original idea was that we would hear about her getting blamed for the warcrimes, personally hunt her down, and use the skull knight impression to make her explain what happened, since we trust her. Then, as she was obviously not to blame, we would go and hunt down the other guy, confront him(or just shoot him repeatedly, same difference) and Cima gets clear of wrong doing/ war crimes, while we gain a VERY loyal subordinate (that idea was that we would be more or less in control of Zeonic Military Forces at the end of the war.) But yeah, its good for her to have a commanding officer that won't use her as a scapegoat. That was really what fucked her up if i remember correctly, the endless betrayals of complete assholes. Even if we can't do anything about the first ones, we can do something about what happens to her at the end, specifically make sure she isn't just thrown away.

Found the original. It's about halfway down the page on zeonquest 84, right here(note that it was before i started using a name)
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/12938288/#12941744

Actually, after the next fight, we might have a reason to go find Cima again. This episode ends with us fighting the EXAM Gundams, if we survive and escape, we might notice that they have the same effects as when we were trying to wake up Cima back on earth, namely the screaming ghosts and pain. If one of them isn't destroyed, then we would have reason to seek her out, to try and come up with a counter.

>>13697280
Can you check the GG Wiki to see if the Zeon Event tree has mysteriously gone missing? Because I think it's mysteriously gone missing, it looks like there's no proof it was ever there at all.
Also, I've been under the impression that Wolfgang Strauss and Andy Strauss are the same person. This is wrong, right?

I don't think we're going to be returning to earth in a combat capacity for a very VERY long time. I got the impression that after we lifted off the only Zeonic forces left on the surface were the men Garma led into the hills and whatever stragglers Gihren might have left in Africa. From this point on the war is going to be pretty much space only, final destination.

>>13697461
Weird. All I can think of is that someone was trying to update it and managed to delete it instead. That, or some terrible, terrible person purged it.

As far as I know, yes. Perhaps they are related though?

>>13697509
My reasoning was that if one of the EXAM Gundams escapes, and we had been screwed with by them earlier, David would probably be looking for answers, and its possible that he would remember that he had the same reaction to Cima when he rescued her. So, he would then go and ask her about EXAM, and try to come up with a counter. We wouldn't be there for fighting, but rather getting info on what the hell was that crazy shit that happened in the last fight? Alternatively we could make a comment about it to whoever we end up reporting to, and they might point us off in the right direction.

Last picture this week.