Oh hi

I want to play that as my next character. It sounds awesome. I usually play Violent Pragmatic Good.

>>13868194

Basically this.

>>13868194
I don't think the Shadow really counts. He's just a prototypical antihero, really.

The good mastermind would actually be a good guy who looks and acts just like a stereotypical evil mastermind, except that he's always doing good.

>>13868218
That's the Shadow. You just described him to a t.

Cool original character, bro.

Would probably work best in an intentionally humorous game, but you could put him in something more serious and pass him off as an eccentric.

>>13868228
I just don't see him that way. He's an armed vigilante with the power to evade mens sight.

He's more a prototype Batman than an inverted Ming the Merciless type. (Yes, I'm aware early Batman was a direct rip off of The Shadow)

>>13868242
No, Ozymandias was clearly a Neutral alignment, although he's coming closer.

I honestly think Vetinari is the closest fictional example that actually exists, although he's not quite so good or quite so stereotypical.

>>13868237
I think that the most important part is that he IS ruthless, but that he uses ethical and legal means to punish people who oppose and/or fail him. Docking pay, firing people, turning them into the police, etc.

As a note, I think he'd also be a great BBEG for an evil campaign.

I remember some story from some fa/tg/uy's game where the party came to a town in the middle of BFE with a large tower outside town. In the town lived a lich who basically made the town awesome. Education for all the residents, free health care, better economy, basically using all his powers for good, yet every time they cast Detect Evil, the lich lights up like a lightbulb. Eventually the party storms the tower and kills the lich, cause he is in fact evil; just because they can't figure out how doesn't mean he isn't evil. After the deed is done the townspeople kick them out angry-mob style for killing their protector. Turns out he was just a kindly old wizard who wanted to protect the village for eternity, but the lich ritual is so unholy it makes the user evil regardless of their intentions.

Shit sucks.

So let me think. We shouldn't stop here. An Evil Mastermind has an entire evil organization.

A Good Mastermind would too. It would be extra hilarious if they looked just like their evil counterparts too.

For instance, a "good" lieutenant who is always trying to force his boss to retire and become the new Good mastermind so he can support the charities HE likes and run the bake sales with HIS favorite cookies.

The hulking big brute who loves fighting and is an MMA champion, wears spikes and leather and looks like something out of Mad Max, but who gives violent beatdown on criminals and impolite people, and always tips 20%.

The sexy femme fatale who wears black leather and tries to seduce the evil into joining team good, who also pays for women's shelters and occasionally works at a rape crisis center.

Who am I forgetting here?

>>13868366
The former employee.

Traditionally, they were beaten, mutilated, scarred, etc.

In this instance, he was given a generous severance package, a retirement fund and full benefits.

>>13868366
Ah yes. The Good technologist who builds giant spiderbots and doom rifles, while also working on production methods to help the poor. AND NO ONE CAN STOP HIM. HAHAHAHAHAA!!!

>>13868381
>Dr. Madfuckgenius, you're inhuman!
>I know, Goodman Dogood, I know. One of the many crosses I must bear. Now, I shall release my newest innovation into the world.
>You wouldn't dare!
>Oh, but I do I do dare! Bwahaha!
And a new type of extra cuddly teddy bears, marketed towards kids in burn units, is released into the market with a retail price of around fifty-eight cents. The fur is non-toxic and extra pettable.

Engineer a war and risk the world just to make another race into the servants of our star god masters.

>>13868366
The weapons master who owns a heavy arsenal of all sorts of weapons, all designed around being nonlethal. Remember the Tornado in a Can and the Blamethrower from "Mystery Men"? Like that. After all, Violence is bad and only leads to more violence.

>>13868366
There should be a whole bunch of incompetent mooks who try to be helpful but aren't very good at it.

But in this case there's a reason: the BGNG just hired them off the unemployment rolls so they'd be able to feed their families. Not much is really expected of them, it's just charity in disguise.

>>13868402
Don't forget hypo-allergenic, machine washable, and made using environmentally-friendly production methods.

>>13868425
...what did that guy just shoot me with?
>The Correctotron.
Why do I have a sudden urge to correct the misspellings in my tattoos and volunteer at a soup kitchen?
>My guess is, you took a shot to the moral compass.

>>13868429
Under the Fair Trade label, too.

http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=528#comic

Like this?

>>13868438
Heh.

Oh! We also need the Grammar Nazi, the one guy with the eyepatch and the outrageous accent, and he "vill NOT tolerate spelling errors in mein CHAMBERS!!"

>>13868183

So basically Bill Gates, circa 2010?

>>13868465
Professor Spelzgood, what did you do in the 1930s and '40s?
>...

Lord Blackforest looked through his window briefly, enjoying the sight of his dark fortress of doom. The sharp angles and bladelike insignia on every corner reminded him of his unchallenged dominion over his privately owned property, respected by the government for his charitable works.

He stroked his goatee, small and neat, lightly as he thought. After a few moments, he turned to face his Henchmen.

“So now we will find if our plans are coming to fruition. Baroness Von Wolf, how is your portion of the plan proceeding?”

His eyes never strayed from hers, although many a lesser man could not have kept themselves from running their eyes over her incredible and voluptuous figure, clad in dark leather and sleek as water over velvet. She responded with a sultry smile. “Just as planned, my lord. I have seduced the Mafia's head accountant as ordered, and he is willing to testify in court against them. The mob will not stand to impede your plans.”

“Very good.” He said, simply, “And the photoshoot? That is raising sufficient money?”

“Yes, my lord.”

>Geophage : Krogan :: Weeds : Gardening!

Good Mastermind

>>13868489
I taught English in an private girls finishing school and learnt the meaning of family whilst I was there under the tutelage of a poor but charming young waif, also singing.

>>13868529
He turned suddenly, bladelike, to face the large leather clad man in rough attire. “And how about your work, Thresher? How are things proceeding with the Biker gangs in the area?”

“Already under our control, Lord.” Responded the man with a rough voice. “They were being unkind to an old lady, so I beat up their leader and now they follow me. They're ready to aid in the construction.”

A thin ghost of a smile appeared momentarily on Lord Blackforest's face.

Finally, he turned to the tall, thin, spindly man with a wild head of white hair and an air of permanent distraction.

“My Lord,” He said, not waiting to be addressed, “I have already begun the construction of the giant scorpionbots. They are uniquely suited to the task. They can haul vast loads and fight off any who oppose us. They will also be perfectly adapted to tear down the orphanage.”

“Excellent!” Shouted Lord Blackforest. “No no one can oppose my good scheme to tear down the orphanage – and build a BIGGER, BETTER ORPHANAGE! There will be teddy bears on every shelf, and everything will be up to code! NOW NO ONE CAN STOP US! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>13868529
>>13868573

>>13868573
>>13868529
Awesome.

>>13868529
>>13868573

'You're too late to stop me! Soon I will be unstoppable with the gems of Carthoon in my possesion I will be able to campeign to improve the standard of healthcare across the land. I CAN NOT BE STOPPED

“No one can oppose our plan to destroy the Earth, Pitiful human.” The unfeeling vision of the dark insectoid leader of the Teeknak looked down on Lord Blackforest, truly unrepentant. “We have already sent the astroid on its course to destroy your pitiful planet. There is no escaping your inevitable doom.”

A thin smile appeared on Blackforests face. “Is that truly what you believe? That we are so primitive that a mere meteor can defeat us? You knew nothing of my scheme to oppose you.”

“A scheme?” The insectoid being stated. “What scheme could your primitive human mind possibly conceive that could oppose our righteous might? We have been traveling the stars since long before you pathetic humans climbed out of the trees.”

“This one, you fool!” He said, turning to the thin figure standing behind him and turning away from the monitor. “DOCTOR SPELZGOOD! ACTIVATE THE GIANT MOON CANNON OF DOOM!”

“Yes, My Lord!” The scientist replied, glee on his face as he pressed the red button.

Suddenly, the normally pristine surface of the moon erupted as ground undisturbed for eons shifted and moved, and a massive construction of pristine metal appeared, a giant parabolic dish with multiple rings.

It moved slowly to face the giant asteroid the invaders had sent toward Earth, and through the walls of his dome on the moon, Lord Blackforest could feel the vibrations in the surface of the moon as the weapon charged. Red light built up in the bottom of it's dish, and the entire moon ached with effort to contain so much energy. “Now!” he yelled, “TASTE TRUE POWER!” The weapon suddenly erupting in a giant beam of brilliant technicolor lightning, blasting from the Moons surface with overwhelming power. The Asteroid sailing on, unaware of its impending doom. Unable to change its direction, the beams raked across its surface. Thousands of small fragments erupted from it, only to be dissolved at the atomic level.

Cotd.

"Has the Trolley system been implemented?"

>Yes, My Lord. Your government-funded public transportation is working beautifully, People are getting to their destinations on-time, and ever since your seminar on emotions, people are being much more open about their feelings. Morals across the kingdom is up 47 percent.

"Are the disabled children still coming over?"

>Yes, My Lord. They're all ready to sing songs about being special just the way they are.

Mr. Rogers smiled broadly as he adjusted his sweater jacket. "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, Lieutenant McFeely.

>Indeed it is, My Lord. I'm glad I'm your neighbor.

Dr. Madevilbad sat in the high-backed throne of golden skulls, carefully examining his visitors.
"I trust your stay has been .. comfortable?" he said, a wicked gleam in his eye, the other a patch of bright red leather held in place with silver staples.

"We have enjoyed our stay quite well, Dr. Madevilbad, but we have but one question.." the leader of his opposition, a sneak-thief from the night before, leading his ragtag band of miscreants deep into the heart of the empire they so violently opposed.

"What might that be, Goodman Dogooder?"

"Could we get more of those mints on the pillows? They're addictive. Is there some nefarious plot involved in their creation?"

Dr. Madevilbad gave no sign of acknowledgment, merely stared deep into Goodman's eyes. "Those mints," he explained, one finger tapping on his desk rhythmically. "... were made by my aunt Claire, who puts in a special ingredient into each and every mint she makes."

"And what diabolical ingredient might that be?"

"Love."

Later, they had coffee cake.

>>13868769
“Impossible!” The Teeknak leader shouted. “Primitives such as yourselves shouldn't understand how to create weapons that can dissolve atomic bonds!”

“That's because,” Doctor Spelzgood yelled loudly, “I AM A GENIUS!”

“Your scheme is foiled, fool!” Lord Blackforest snapped. “None will oppose the forces of Lord Blackforest!”

“It is irrelevant.” The Alien replied, the dispassionate calm returned to its voice. “Your weapon does not have the range to engage us while we are in orbit of Pluto! We will simply return with greater forces, and destroy you!”

“I'm afraid not.” The Good Lord replied. “I believe you will find that your ship is not where you believe it to be.”

“What sort of nonsens- WHAT!?!” The alien shouted. “How can this be? We are nearly in orbit of the Moon!”

“While you were blustering your threats,” Blackforest stated, “The baroness infiltrated your ship and reprogrammed your navigation controls. This fight was over before it ever began. By the way, Baroness, you deserve an extra large Christmas bonus this year.”

“Thank you, my lord.” The alien turned, startled, to find the lithe woman already behind him.

“Thresher, bring the Earth fleet next to the Teeknak ship.”

“Yes, My lord,” the brutish man replied with glee.

“You will surrender and be treated fairly in accordance with Geneva convention rules of war, or you will be destroyed! Your technology will be used to expand the power of the forces of GOOD!”

>>13868801
>I'm glad to be your neighbor

Holy shit I laughed hard.

>>13868801
Blackforest writefag here.

I fucking love you. You're a special writefag and I like you just the way you are.

>>13868895
Well thank you! I was kinda surprised nobody had thought of Fred Rogers as a Good Mastermind before, it all fits way too well. And you know damn well that when those disabled children visit, he's putting on the best puppet show ever.

>html#user heram
Say what now, Captcha?

>>13868801
Dr. Madevilbad writer here.
Not enough brofist in a thousand brofist factories for this moment.

>>13868895
Hey now neighbor, we don't use cuss words in this neighborhood, and neither should you. There are much better ways to express your feelings than that.

>>13868937
Sorry.

>mfw this entire thread

The Mr. Rogers bit actually brought a tear to my eye for some reason.

>>13868248
have you only seen the Baldwin movie or what?

>>13868943
Have a complimentary tissue to wipe that tear away. And remember, Mr. Rogers says it's okay to feel sad sometimes!!

...Wait, did I just derail the thread?

From his high tower overlooking the poorest portion of the city, He pressed the button on the microphone mounted on his desk.
"Bring me Chubs."
Heavy footsteps echoed through the halls growing ever closer until a heavy knock was heard at the iron double doors.
"Bring him in!"
The doors swung open and two men drug a sniveling fat faced man in by his arms. He was bound and writing against the gargantuan guards. Now, under the unflinching stare of the Baron of Blades a terrified shriek was torn from Chub's mouth and he broke down in an uncontrollable sobbing fit. The Baron smiled grimly, and stood behind his desk.
"Do you know why you're here, Chubs? Do you know?"
Chubs made animal sounds of fear and struggled against his captors to no avail. The Baron motioned for the guards to bring him to the wide windows behind the desk. They forced the frenzied chubs to stare out as the city was swarmed with henchmen in dark clothes bursting in to home after home after home The city was awash with black ants.
"This is what happens when you deny ~"
The Baron's loudspeakers burst on.
"We found him, m'Lord!! We're bringing it to you right now."
"Excellent."

>>13868986
I don't really know if there's anything that can follow this. I was thinking of bringing a certain T-character from 40k into this, but...it just wouldn't feel right.

“Our charity dinner is proceeding just as planned.” Lieutenant Schenkopp stated. “The Baroness has supplied the celebrity clientèle, Thresher has provided security, and the good doctor has provided us with a darkly delightful techno-concert.”

“I see.” Stated Lord Blackforest. “And there are no issues?”

“No, my lord.”

The Dark Lord of good stepped quickly over to the table of finger foods, picking up one of the ham-rollups.

“Lieutenant...”

“Yes, My Lord?”

“This was supposed to be Dr. Spelzgood's ethical vat-grown ham. I am aware you went out and purchased regular ham for the chef, and sold the vat grown ham to a few excessively rich individuals.”

The tall, gray haired Lieutenant looked momentarily stunned. “I... I was just thinking of the finances for the organization!” He cried. “The excess would go to the charity to provide shelters for the homeless! Truly!”

“And how are we supposed to promote tastier, ethically created ham if it is sold to the rich, Lieutenant? No, I am not displeased you thought of the charity, but only that you lied to me. Moreover, you have undermined my plans with inferior ham.

'YOU HAVE FAILED ME FOR THE LAST TIME, LIEUTENANT!”

“No...” The man whispered.

“You will find a generous severance package and receive a good recommendation for your future place of employment. Goodbye, Lieutenant.”

Soon enough, while Chubs was staring at the dismal and desperate scene unfolding through the window a woman and a silver dining tray flung open the door and raced in to the room.
"THE HEART HAS ARRIVED!!"
The Baron pulled on his medical gloves and addressed Chubs one last time.
"This is what you get when you deny a boy like Tim a heart transplant because of a pre-existing condition. Take him to the free clinic, those med students will find a use for him I'm sure."
Chubs gave one last wail and was escorted out of the room.

It appears that LG characters can be just as overlordy as LE characters.

This reminds of one time I was talking to my DM about my interpretation of Kord. I thought of him as a good-aligned Khorne, (meaning that, yes, he actually cares a lot about from where the blood flows, to the point that he'd rather see the blood not flow at all sometimes) to which he responded "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE ORPHANAGE!" *beat* "Well what? We have to make them out of something!"

>>13869070

>>13869050
>Moreover, you have undermined my plans with inferior ham.
In the history of villainy, I think that is an absolute first.

Doesn't this guy fulfill OPs description fairly well?

Just as planned scheming guy but who plans for justice?

I realize he doesn't have the laugh or anything but you could take the base of him and build off of it

>>13869136
From what we've seen ITT, nobody needs to kill someone to prove how "good" they are.

Neat idea, but not for this thread, IMO.

Grand Vizier Al-Ahmed gasped for breath as blood bubbled out of his mouth. He stared down at the sword embedded in his chest, in shock. Had it really come to this? Had all his plans been for naught?
"Taste justice, evildoer!"
Al-Ahmed's gaze travelled upwards to the triumphant adventurers who stood before him, weapons and armour gleaming in the torchlight of his chambers. This battle had been hard-fought and their victory well-earned. Al-Ahmed was no pushover. But there was breath left in him yet, and he would not allow their assumptions and taunts to go unchallenged.
"Do you... have any idea... what you have done?" he coughed, blood spraying into the air. "So much time... so much effort..."
"We know all about your plot against the rightful ruler of this realm," the foremost adventurer said, leaning forward to grasp the hilt of the sword embedded in Al-Ahmed's chest. "About how you planned to cast him from his throne!"
"The Sultan is a FOOL!" Al-Ahmed snarled, through clenched teeth. "A pitiful manchild with no understanding of what it takes to rule! He did not DESERVE the throne he sat upon!"
"And are we to suppose that you do, traitorous cur? A man who has no understanding of loyalty has no place as a leader!" the adventurer shouted, his face mere inches from Al-Ahmed's.
Al-Ahmed began to chuckle, and then to laugh, and then to laugh uproariously, thoroughly unnerving his foes even as his clothes ran red with his blood. The adventurers all stepped back, standing at the ready, anticipating some new threat to be revealed.

>>13868801
I'll never get to live in that world...

>>13869155

No, but you can help make that world. Come on. Let's go make a better world together.

Hey here's a thought: How would a Good Mastermind fight against another Good Mastermind? Would it be a contest to see who make their nation the most appealing? Or would it end in peace and trade agreements before it even began?

>>13869136
Since I've never read Death Note, I couldn't say.

I WILL say, however, that together Akiyama and Kanazaki Nao from Liar Game are a brilliant example of characters who scheme for good.

I hear there are similarities between the series.

>>13869153
"You believed... I wanted the throne for myself? HAH! The only thing... I wish to do with that accursed thing... is to destroy it!" Al-Ahmed cackled, his eyes manic and wide. "And to speak of loyalty... I serve a greater master than that fool Sultan!"
"Then truly you are even more foul and vile than we believed," the adventurers' leader reasoned. "Not acting to control this country, but to destroy it! And now we know there is another, darker force that we must again seek out and destroy before this land will be safe..."
"You know NOTHING!" shouted Al-Ahmed, with his dying breaths. "You may have killed me... but there are others like me. You cannot stop all of us..." He suddenly lunged forward, the sword still embedded deep in his chest, grabbing the adventurer's arm in a vice-like grip, and said his final words.
"I serve FREEDOM... and one day, this land will be a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY! POWER TO... the people..."
Al-Ahmed fell down to the ground, dead. His plans lay in ruins, his accomplices all slain or imprisoned, and his scheme to depose the Sultan foiled. The adventurers looked sheepishly at one another for some time.
"Well... shit," one of them finally volunteered. The leader sighed, and the despondent adventurers sheathed their weapons.
"Not again."

>>13869178
Mr. Rogers vs. Bob Ross.

Final destination.

>>13869171

>>13869148

Oh your thinking of the other guy. L never killed anybody.

Though from the thread I think we're looking more for comedic effect that true good scheming

>>13869178
There's a great example of that too. It's called, "The entire Legend of the Galactic Heroes Series".

Both Yang Wenli are opposed to one another and are purely good; but one represents a corrupt representative democracy, and the other represents a golden age monarchy.

Both are good, but different good. Both are brilliant, but differently so. Both have good plans and intentions, but those plans and intentions are opposed.

In the end, one falls, and one is victorious. Whoever wins, good wins. And both are magnificent bastards.

>>13869226
Er, Both Yang Wenli and Reinhard von Lohengramm, sorry.

Don't know why I forgot to say Reinhard's name.

>>13869199
>Bob Ross


"You see, General, Building a perfect worls is just like making a perfect painting. You have to use the right brush and the right color, doing little strokes and little dabs here and there, plus this secret bush right here that we're not going to to tell anyone about." Overlord Ross grinned and winked before he continued "But all of these small steps add up to one big picture, and no matter how long it takes, in the end, you know that you've made something wonderful. Don't you see, general?" He put his brush away "Ruling these people can be as joyful as painting. Come back next week and we'll do a mountain cottage."

The troops swarmed the fields, moving towards the lights of the city; all wore black and various shades of gray, their equipment muffled by silken rags and darkened by cosmetic alterations. Like a pool of shadows, they crept around the perimeter of the walled city, carrying crates, cases, lengthy boxes.

Stealthily, they constructed the first of the siege engines, the dirigibles inflated by covertly-built steam plants and the framework for a full five thousand fifty-foot ladders were created from the trees of the forest, felled in total silence.

Over the course of the next six hours, they worked in unrelenting haste, the few mistakes corrected by the watchful eyes of engineer-sergeants. Eventually, it came to pass that a full two hours before dawn, they were finished, ready to move.

Over the center of the city, in the downtown pavilion, a flare was fired straight up, the dirigibles now dark clouds hanging over the city.

On cue, the entirety of the massed swarm moved up the ladders around the city's wall, standing atop them and holding aloft lengthy boxes, pointing them at the city's heart.

>Happy birthday, Morgorvia!

The speakers blasted the first message as the dirigibles released glitter, confetti and streamers by the ton.

>Just as planned.

>>13869153
>>13869198
Aha.......the NE Grand Vizier, except he's actually NG. Or is he chaotic aligned? It's hard to tell....

>>13869277
Chaotic good makes perfect sense.

And actually, a conflict between democracy and Monarchy can be fought between two good factions while both remain good.

A battle between two good overlords is fantastic, and the heroes can side with either one and feel no remorse.

>>13869289
Yes, but if it's a parody of the stereotypical traitorous Vizier, then he should be NG, because the Vizier is often NE.....no, wait, he's CE, because he just runs the kingdom into the ground afterwards.

It's so hard to recognize chaotic alignments when they aren't into breaking and stealing stuff.

Dr. McNinja. King Radical. That is all.

Bump for Diabolical Good.

I want to give an example of how brilliant schemes of good work, and I honestly can't think of a better example than Liar Game.

It's basically a manga about two good masterminds that go up against an underground pyramid scheme organization ripping people off for millions and winning purely by being good and brilliant enough to manipulate both the game and their opponents to their own ends.

I'm going to post a few pages to show you what it's all about.

There's basically an early chapter where an evil mastermind will declare the particular game they're playing to be something evil like domination, and where they turn it around and show that the stronger option (but harder) is something like friendship. But far from being contrived, it's always brilliant because they have to manipulate people to do good, and to act in spite of overwhelming fear and greed.

By the way, this may well be your next Paladin.

Also, since I mentioned Paladins, the best example of a "good mastermind" paladin is undoubtedly Paksenarrion from the Deed of Paksenarrion series. Warning, spoilers below.

The forces of evil have the good heir to the throne trapped. Paks allows them to take her for three days where she will be undoubtedly tortured and then killed, in return for freeing the King. She is taken to the thieves guild, which had been completely infiltrated by the god of torture.

Over three days, she is relentlessly tortured, beaten, and raped. At one point, she is given the option to save the life of a young girl or watch her be killed by her torturers. She states she cannot renounce her allegiance to her god, and that the evil being committed is by the torturers. She prays to her god to save the girl's soul and give her an easy death. The scene continues until the time is finished.

Finally, they prepare to throw out her body, only to find that the time has expired. Most of the thieves guild, having seen the terrible acts of the god of torture's priests, turn their back on it. Once the time is up, her god heals her wounds and smites the dark priests, restoring her to life.

She's asked later by a member of the thieves guild why she would let herself be tortured like that, and she responds simply.

She could have stormed in and killed the priests, but her suffering was the only way to save the Thieves guild.

Paksenarrion is the best paladin ever.

>>13869708

>Illusive Man
>Good

Maybe once, maybe once. He's lost sight. He's Lawful Evil - the end justifies the means.

One manga had an evil organisation dedicated to world peace, helping the sick, the poor, etc and ensuring more humans could live long healthy lives. Their mutated thugs would steal proprietary technology that could be used to help people.

The end goal? To cause the extinction of humanity by causing it to overpopulate the Earth leading to their inevitable death.

Two Kamen Rider like heroes set out to stop them. A funny scene was where one had gotten to the big evil boss and discovered the plan. The big boss pointed out he couldn't stop them and just said he should leave. But the families of all the goons he'd killed had other ideas and attacked the hero while the big boss pleaded for an end to the violence. The hero just started tearing his way through an army of women, children and old men.
Shit was hilarious.

"All witches are selfish, the Queen had said. But Tiffany’s Third Thoughts said: Then turn selfishness into a weapon! Make all things yours! Make other lives and dreams and hopes yours! Protect them! Save them! Bring them into the sheepfold! Walk the gale for them! Keep away the wolf! My dreams! My brother! My family! My land! My world! How dare you try to take these things, because they are mine!"

This thread deserves an archive

>>13869744
wait, what book is this from?
I don't recognize this quote. That might mean there is a Tprachet book I have not read.

If so I have another book I must read before starting on all of the Dresden files books

>>13869244
I <3 you for that one. Agreed on that point.

>>13869762
Wee Free Men.

>>13869821

>>13869821
>>13869831

Stop. Don't be a fag.

>>13869799
ah, the children's book.
Danke none the less

>>13869831

It was then that the Paladin Blacksteel felt the divine power left him. He had committed the final, irredeemable act. He had broken his oath to his god and aided the Devil in his scheme.

“There is no longer a reason to fight, EX-Paladin. You have given me the weapons I will use to kill the villagers. You have given me the spells to destroy their families. And you have done it all to save the life of one stupid girl.” The devil smiled, full of sinister intent. “There is nothing left for you on the side of good, stupid little Paladin.”

“Perhaps you are right... but we had a deal. I have provided your weapons and the plans to attack the town. Now release the girl, as we had agreed.”

“Very well.” The devil replied. “A deal is a deal.” The young girl scampered past the Paladin, now as afraid of him as the demon. “It isn't like it matters. She'll just run back to her village and get killed with the rest of them.”

“That was not the deal.” The Fallen Paladin said, furious.

“Then perhaps you should have worded it better, you fool! The vow to let her live was only until you had finished aiding me!” The Devil hissed, triumphant. “But we can strike a new deal. You can still save the girl, and I might not even drag the whole village back to the Nine Hells with me. There is only one thing you must do. You have already lost the patronage of your god. Simply swear allegiance to the Dark God of Death, and you will save them.”

>>13869953
For a moment, the Fallen Paladin shook as though afraid, hanging his head. It was only then that the demon realized that he was not shaking with fear – he was laughing. The laughter increased as he threw his head back and roared with mirth.

“Do you think this is funny, you fool?” The Devil snarled. “My Half-Fiend goblin army is ready to attack the town!”

“You are the one to make the mistake, Hellspawn. Look at your weapons.”

As the demon turned to find the blades he had previously approved of, he recoiled in fear. Each one now glowed with a previously hidden holy mark.

“These weapons are useless to you, and a shipment of blades just like them will have just arrived at the local Militia hall, along with the location of your army. I think you'll also find that the plans I've given you will lead your forces directly into a trap.”

“But...” The demon sputtered, “You aided me! You have fallen! Why would you still aid the villagers?”

“You fool.” The Ex-Paladin said calmly. “It was always my plan to fall. In return for one paladin falling, the souls and lives of a thousand villagers are saved, and your plans decimated. Better, I can still atone. And the girl is safely out of your reach, now.” He put his hand down into one of the boxes and drew a holy blade.

“And holy powers or no, this blade will still smite evil just fine. All of your schemes, all of your plans. All is undone. TODAY, GOOD WILL TRIUMPH!”

The ex-Paladin raise his blade, ready to purge and smite.

>>13869854
Well that's really not an issue. They don't even have to fight them, they just have to encourage the proliferation of technologies that feed people, help people colonize other worlds, and reduce the effects of poverty caused by overpopulation.

Using good for evil ends is an interesting inversion of the Good Mastermind, but it fails easily if you realize what they're doing and help them - with the proviso that you simply fill in the gaps of what they're doing.

>>13869844
I've read it a few times. It's technically a book for "kids", but it's still Pratchett, and still utterly brilliant.

As a note, Granny Weatherwax is another excellent example of brilliant good that looks evil on the surface. She manages to play off practically everybody and ultimately emerge victorious while never actually being evil. She's ruthless, prideful, and mean, but she's also undeniably right practically all of the time, fundamentally good, and will NOT tolerate anyone messing with the people of Lancre.

Another example of a Good character that appears to be evil (although she can be argued to be Chaotic Neutral, at times).

Lina Inverse.

Greedy, self centered, obsessed with power and money, she's also a person who has fought and defeated demons and gods, often selflessly, to save the world and her friends. She bears intense responsibility for her actions, occasionally going well beyond what any truly "selfish" character should to do good.

Despite all of this, people of her world think of her as the coming of the apocalypse.

"People say that if you run into a storm then you should pray to god for salvation, but if you run into Lina Inverse you should curse him, because there is no hope for you."

Someone actually said that about someone who has saved the world multiple times and killed a shard of the DEVIL HIMSELF.

(Mildly justified. She's like a walking nuclear arsenal.)

>>13870209
I take offense to your statement!

She isn't LIKE a walking nuclear arsenal. She IS one

>>13870232
OH NO MS. LINA! NOT THE ORPHANAGE!

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>>13870261
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>>13870209
Sounds like typical disconnected Player Character logic to me!

Just having fun casting your boomy spells for shits and giggles. Not thinking about how those NPCs are SUPPOSED to have feelings even if it's only pretend feelings. Yet can't actually seem to stand the BBEG slapping them around despite their feelings only being pretend.

I'd say Conflicted Good.

This is every character I've played in the last year.
DAMMIT OP

Bump in hope that someone else will contribute.

There was this one series I read online (I think it was a collaborative fic, it's been a long time) where one of the protagonists' parents was a self-proclaimed Evil Overlord. And by appearances he was one, complete with evil gadgets, evil organization, Evil Mustache(tm) and Evil Laugh(tm).

...Except he never actually DID any evil, and pretty much did every example the OP gave. Unless you count grounding his daughter FOR ETERNITY (it didn't take, she got out of it the very next chapter) repeatedly for offenses like tardiness, not doing her homework, not doing her chores, talking back to her dad, and hanging out with a bunch of delinquents pretending to be do-gooders.

Damn if I can remember the title.

>>13871089
It's important to remember that a proper good overlord is NOT harmless, even if they seem very silly. Not to evil, anyway. They go after evil with the same zeal that evil goes after good.

It's just that their methods differ. A Good Overlord is concerned with redemption and legal punishment, and an evil overlord is concerned with corruption and torture.

A good overlord won't hesitate to bring a criminal to justice, or to manipulate them into a position where they are forced to do good, starting them down the path to redemption.

A good overlord is just that - a LORD of all that is good, a master of mental gymnastics, who is just as excellent at manipulation of other people as his evil counterpart, but never stops being fundamentally good.

They are always the one to find a third option. They are the Good equivalent of David Xanatos; always doing good even in defeat, and rarely tasting that bitter situation.

>>13869100
This is heroism, you derp.

>>13871089
Improfanfics IIRC.