The Emperor finally falls to the ground, dying. Desperately, he is brought to the Golden Throne, with hope that in the future, he might be saved.

But the Emperor is not yet dead, or unable to speak. Mustering all his strength to give one last coherent order to his people, he explains the pact made with the Eldar. After devouring the stomach of Slaanesh, he now inherits all the souls of the Eldar who die from this point onwards. Their souls shall join with his for all eternity, safe and able to help him project his will. With such an influx of powerful psyker souls, only a handful of human psykers meditating with him will be needed to maintain the Astronomicon he had hoped to perfect.

The Eldar, with their souls secure, will now devote themselves to the preservation of Man, as was agreed. The Imperium's cause is now their own, and shall remain so until the Emperor can rise up once more to defeat Slaanesh forever. As such, they are now a major faction of the Imperium, and the worship of their Gods is just as allowed and open as Machine Cult's own religion.

So the Scenario:

As a member of the Adeptus Astartes, just after the Horus Heresy, would you stand for the proliferation of Xenos within the Imperium itself?

>>14094244
>but I don't think many marines would be overly vexed.

Lunar Wolves seemed REAL mad about xenos for whatever reason.

Think of it this way, you're an Imperial citizen, the war just happened, your planet has been the target of constant Eldar pirate raids, while you and your buddies have been fighting (and dying) for the preservation of mankind.

Then all of the sudden you're butpalls with those guys

>>14094272
Human history is full of that sort of thing, if the big E actually says that it's okay, then what can we do? Begrudgingly accept them.

I would be so ok with this its not true.

Hot eldar chicks~<3

you do know what this means, right?

eldar admech

>>14094299
>>14094305

I like where this is going...

>As a member of the Adeptus Astartes, just after the Horus Heresy, would you stand for the proliferation of Xenos within the Imperium itself?

Does my God-Emperor will it? Yes?

His will be done.

I think the marines would accept the Emperor's will (somewhat begrudgingly, but the Eldar weren't such a hated foe back during the crusade, if I remember correctly), go off and kill a Waaaagh-ful of orks to make themselves feel better.

So how would this all look by the time we get to the year 40k?

I mean, let's say a bunch of Daemons open up and start attacking a Craftworld. Does the Craftworld go "FUCK," look at the nearest spess muhreenz, and go "help us goddamnit"?

I am so fucking okay with this.

>>14094476
They'd likely be given the same concern as if it were a bunch of guardsmen getting attacked. Help would come.. eventually.

>Emprah wills we be nice to some xenos.
>Wat do.

Pretty obvious. Since we're obviously not traitors, we do like he asks. Simple.

>>14094529
>not traitors
>implying I am not in fact loyal to the Lord of Change

The word of the Emperor is beyond law. Beyond Faith. Beyond Anything.

If he tells me to spare some xenos from the rest, then it shall be done.

Ohh man this may be the greatest troll on Eldrad's part yet.

Premise 1: My God's Will be done.
Premise 2: My God says the xenos that look like us, that are now keeping my God alive (kinda) are our friends.
Conclusion 1: The xenos are my friends. (Premises 1-2)

But Chapter Master, didn't we fight those xenos just a bit ago?

Premise 3: I like fighting heretics.
Premise 4: Our new friends say the enemies are heretics, our new friends also like fighting heretics.
Conclusion 2: Based on Conclusion 1 and succeeding premises, these xenos are our friends and everyone else is now a heretic. Kill *them*. (Con. 1, Premises 3-4)

There, logic tree format for decision making.

>>14094573

>Implying that you and your god are not, in fact, battle brothers of the Blood Ravens now, having been "gifted" to our glorious chapter long ago.

so let's say there's a planet worshiping eldar gods, the eldar are giving this a thumbs up, but there's word of heretical activity there

does the inquisition have the authority to do shit there? would they still if it was an admech world?

does this mean we could have guardsmen in eldar skinsuits?

>>14094808
>impl-
>look at desk
>half-painted Blood Ravens tactical squad

OH GODDAMMIT

amidionitright?

>>14094893
As long as they're not overt about it, and maintain the Emperor as the main god of their pantheon, whether it be in truth or as a sham, the Inquisition will probably stay hands off.

How do you think the Admech has survived all this time? We need it and it needs us; the same goes for the Eldar now.

>and maintain the Emperor as the main god of their pantheon

I'm pretty sure an Eldar would eat a million dicks before it ever said that the Emperor was anything beyond a shit-tier farseer.

>>14094932
obviously she accepted Robute Guillman as her spiritual leige

>>14094958
The emperor is protecting eldar souls. He controls the fate of the eldar

>>14094958

I think he means the human population of said planet. Hell considering how the real Imperium is perfectly fine with whatever you want to worship as long as it has a clearly identifiable Emperor figure, and is free of the taint of Chaos, I can see it happening, as long as the Emperor was clearly the top god. Some of the more Stick up ass Inquisitors might object though.

>>14094958
They would say that.
And then he would kick Eldrad in the 'nads so hard that farseer would b a monogender occupation..

Of course i would.

Do i look like someone who disagrees with the person he worships as the literal ideal man?

>the emperor eats Slaanesh's hunger

so here's my 2 questions

1. So does the Emperor now also hunger for all the souls of the Eldar? Or does he just deal with it?

2. That means he ate all the essences of the old Eldar Gods. Theoretically, this also means that everyone should slowly start to come back. All they would need is a couple trillion screaming fanatics...

And look who they just joined.

this needs to be fleshed out like 50k, cause i would so love for this to be an alternate setting, i kinda like it a lot more than the established timeline

The Emperor himself gave a direct order. Eldar and SM bro-fist over the corpses of the enemies of the Imperium.

>>14095144

>And look who they just joined.

Just as planned.

Needs more dakka.

>>14095288
What else would change now that the Eldar are in the Imperium, though?

Besides it looking more like Warhammer fantasy that is, considering there's now at least 2 groups of religions practiced in the Imperium that aren't all about the Emperor.

Infact, wouldn't the Eldar try and stop the Imperium from going all batshit about worshiping the Emperor?

Would they start actively recolonizing worlds now or what.

One of the best alternate 40k ideas ever.

One thing immediately leaps to mind: What happens with the Dark Eldar? Presumably, no longer having to fear Slaanesh, they no longer have to raid for torture slaves and such Do the craftworld Eldar tell them to stop raiding the Imperium, do they stop raiding and turn more to the craftworld way, what?

And, what happened to all those shards of the Emperor? Do they works like the shards of Kaela Mensha Khaine?

>Rips his hands into the Prince's gut
RIP AND TEAR. GLORY TO THE GOD-DOOMGUY.

Butting heads with Eldar, the more zealous adherants of the Machine Cult become increasingly insular, distrustful of the xenos and their heretical technology.

Soon many of the most faithful of the Omnissiah confide to each other of visions of the Machine God's will, all but confirming the Eldar as charlatans who had wormed their way into the Emperor's good graces so they could strike down the Machine God.

In secret they took to building their god a holy vessal guided by holy revelations, a machine worthy to house their god in materium. Centuries passed as they toiled in secret, hiding their work from the Inquisition, the Eldar, and their less faithful comrades of the Mechanicum.

In 998.M41, 5 Necron cruisers enter the Sol system without warning on a direct path to Mars, punching through the defensive line and landing on the surface at the Noctis Labyrinth.

While it was publicly announced that the incursion was swiftly destoryed with the upmost firepower, the upper echelons of the Imperium know that the resulting crater of several dozen miles in diameter was not caused by their bombardment. The entire area of the Noctis Labyrinth has vanished along with the 5 necron cruisers and almost the entirty of the Cult of Omnissiah.

All attempts to question the few that remained proved useless as they would only babble on about the return of the Machine God.

>>14095558
chaos gets diminished, necrons get more stuff/personality?

>>14095558
Booo

I Like the loyalist mechanicus >:C

>>14095558
Three way war between AdMech, Chaos AdMech, and Necron AdMech. I like it.

>>14095513

>What happens with the Dark Eldar?

DEldar don't just behave the way they do because they need to, they love doing it. They would likely just continue doing it, but now there's no real downsides.

Craftworld Eldar vs DEldar clashes would grow MUCH more. Think about it, the Craftworld Eldar now have all the reason in the world to start leaving their homes and start colonizing worlds, their race can expand freely and openly, due to their overwhelming protection thanks to the Imperium.

The cost, however, means that they can't just sit by and go "lol those silly, depraved cousins, raping those monkeigh." If they attack an agri world and steal everyone, who do you think everyone looks at and says "Ok so you're going to lead us to their base now, like a loyal citizen of the Imperium, RIGHT?"

When of course, the best people for that would be the Harlequins, who's souls still belong to the Laughing God, and as such are a neutral party.

So then DEldar get pissed because they lead the Imperium into their realm, and go mess up one of their new colonies, and you just get an infinite loop of the two factions really learning to hate each other, and you got calls for genocide on both sides.

And with that, you end up with a bit of, idk, Eldar nationalism? Proud to be an Imperial?

you might end up with a new eldar faction that hates having to be subserviant to the Emperor but still think the DE as depraved monsters

so you have Dark Eldar, Imperial Eldar, and 'High Eldar'

>>14096002
> the Craftworld Eldar now have all the reason in the world to start leaving their homes and start colonizing worlds

On that note, Eldar start breaking out the heavy-duty terraforming equipment. Turning dead worlds into habitable, though harsh, planets in a decade or so, ripe for colonization.

Imagine it: Planets of nothing but Frontier Eldar, Cowboy Pathfinders, fighting of Ork Banditoz and other horrors out there in the wastes.

Horus stands victorious over the battered body of his father. A lone guardsman looks upon the aftermath of the terrible battle and shakes in terror. He will not come the his Emperor's aid, but tremble behind the bunlhead that shields his from the terrible Horus's view.
"Father, you were a fool to shun me!" the bastard son gloats. "I have a new family, one that grants more power than you could ever hope to attain."
The thousands of souls of psykers that collided to form the Emperor argue within the broken body, motives and plans zipping to and fro too fast for even the four gods of Chaos to read, though they had monitored that battle so far.
As one, they finally speak, in a terrible tone that can be heard throughout the Warp.
"Then that power shall be ours."
A flash of red light explodes out from the space-vessel, far above the warring planet of Terra. It passes though all, the hull, the sky, the buildings, and the earth itself. For a brief moment, all those in the Solar System are bathed in the light of Chaos.

Then, as suddenly as it began, it ended. The torrent of hellish red ended, and Ollanius Pius looked once more into the throne room. Gone were the twisted mosters that lined the walls and infected the hulls. No longer was the armor of Horus writhing, as though flesh. He stood motionless, gazing at the spot where his father was mere moments ago. The Emperor was gone.

"HORUS!" The cry came from Sanguinius, still immobile from his wounds, "What have you done? Where is He?"
Horus sank to his knees.
"Horus!"
Horus slumped, the motors in his armor moving his massive frame into the posture of defeat. "Sanguinius. Terra must rebuild. Chaos will return-"
The mightly Angel of Blood rolled over to get a better view of his fallen brother. Tears were dripping from Horus's eyes.
"-with a new Champion."

>>14096057

THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST

Someone needs to adapt this as a Dark Heresy setting, now.

>>14096057
BRILLIANT!

>>14096034
>'High Eldar'

So Imperial Eldar are Eldar who actually feel a semblance of an Imperial identity (whether it's "oh yeah er uh go team Emps or whatever" all the way to "IMPERIUM FUCK YEAR FUCK YOU CHAOS OH YEAH SUCK IT"), and High Eldar are more... "Biel-Tan"y?

I would guess that they would want to emulate the old Eldar Empire, but what would that be beyond what the Dark Eldar do?

>>14096057
can i tame nids to be horses?

>>14096100
the High Eldar believe that be serving the Emperor and folding into the Imperial, they are allowing themselves to be ruled my nothing more than talking apes. They will not suffer such an insult as to recieve aid from something so below them. They fully believe that they could have come to their own solution.

...also how does this change the Tau?

Can we necron them too?

>>14096125
Roughriders train just about everything else. If the Craftworld Eldar were no longer pressed into a corner trying not to be eaten, and finally got the chance to expand and grow, I'm pretty sure they'de have something whipped up due to ancient Eldar tech that could breed a domesticated form of Ravenor, or whatever else they want to ride.

>And, what happened to all those shards of the Emperor?

Shards of Emps?

>>14096172
Let's not, I like them being the naive "WE CAN TOTALLY WORK TOGETHER GUISE" newcomers, still untainted by millennia of constant horrifying warfare.

>>14096079

If it weren't for robbing Pius of his crowning moment of glory, I'd go along with this.

>>14096187
except then they'd just join the Imperium

>>14096228

The point was the it was BECAUSE he couldn't force himself to die for the cause, the Emperor didn't instakill the gloating Horus.
One act that changed all of the galaxy.

>>14096243
But that's the thing - they think they can do better.

"If you only followed the Ethereals and the Greater Good, guys, everything would be swell!"

>After devouring the stomach of Slaanesh, he now inherits all the souls of the Eldar who die from this point onwards
>Eldar can now feel the Emperor watching over them just as they could also feel Slaanesh gazing at them (and wanting to eat them)
>Some Eldar start to get visions directly from the Emperor himself
>These Eldar start to become saints of their Emperor, able to "feel" his presence and carry out his will
>Suddenly, Eldar Chaplains, ostracized by all other Eldar but warily welcomed in the Ecclesiarchy

WITNESS THE GLORY OF THE EMPEROR

THROUGH MEEEEEEEEEE

>>14096275
ah

that gives their continued existance more sense then because the Imperium just rolls its eyes and tries to ignore them the best it can

>>14096243
The Imperium isn't Xeno-loving. The Eldar get a pass because they're sanctioned BY THE EMPEROR HIMSELF.

All other xenos? Who gives a flying fuck. Certainly not the Eldar now that they have a stake in the Imperium. To them though it wouldn't be a holy war or anything silly like that, they honestly just want the planets.

Three words:
ULTRAMARINES HALF-ELDAR LIBRARIAN

That is all.

There needs to be some drawfags for this somewhere. Also has this been archived?

>alternate history

don't mind me, i'll just be old-farting over here...

>>14096309
neither, my friend

I could see the High Eldar manipulating the Tau

I think We need a Vaul Ferrous Manus teams up now.

>>14096321

Chaos is going to need to pull some crazy shit to keep up

LIKE CHAOS SQUATS

>>14096354

... wat... WHAT... OH MY DARK GODS!!! LOLCRON LIVES!!!

>>14096448

bumb

>>14096448
the hell is garrus doing there

bump

Okay, I can understand there being friction between the Imperial Eldar and the Ad-Mech, but would that go away over time as the Ad-Mech are slowly brought around to a less religious view of technology? Or would the Ad-Mech reject such attempts entirely?
Would there be a schism, so that there are now 3 factions of Ad-Mech? Loyal, Dark, and a fundamentalist one?

>>14099381
Well... Honestly?

The Admech would just be all about flipping Eldar tech the bird and digging around for DaoTech.

Amusingly, this would be easier for the Admech in this scenario as the Imperium can just get Eldar Tech now, as the Eldar need SOMETHING for trade goods and they can just have bonesinger's make that sutff in bulk, and the Admech doesn't need to put as much resources in stocking everyone.

>>14094031
>>14094197
I...don't dislike this.

>implying OP wont be the setting of DMO

It'd be a welcome change to see some reasoning. Who am I kidding though.

>>14099661
I think we also need to consider that, with the Eldar joining the Imperium, the Imperium also now has access to the Webway.
What kind of advantage does that give the Imperium on the galactic scale?

>>14099763
More reliable and effective movement of commercial and military convoys for one thing. The IG will have no real trouble arriving on time for a war if they have webway available.

>>14094197

Actually, you'd probably see Eldar WITH Marines at that point. Because later-generation Marine armor would start incorporating Eldar methods of protecting souls after death, the better to keep soul-sucking minions of Chaos from getting their fill of mon-keigh.

As would only make sense, considering the Emperor's Pact. The Emperor protects the souls of the Eldar in death, the Eldar protect the souls of the Emperor's servants in return.

Shuriken rifle technology would be far more common in the Imperium, rather than being strictly xenotech. I don't see too much co-habitation on planets, but I do see far more interaction and trade, especially with Rogue Traders and the like.

Guys.
Guys.
What happens to the tyranids?

>>14099838
Probably they'd be the least affected, they're the ones who arrive after the Pact is already in place.

You should check out the Dornian Heresy. It's an alt-history proposing Rogal Dorn was the traitor and not Horus.

www.bolterandchainsword.com/heresy/thedornianheresy.pdf

Spoiler: Ultramarines make their own independent empire fighting nothing but Tau.

bump

>>14100008

REALMS OF ULTRAMAR FUCK YEAH.

Because independent Smurfs with Tau tech that abhor the ecclesiarchy and hold true to the original Imperial Truth and hate the Ecclesiarchy are the best Smurfs ever.

>>14100008

I really didn't like the Dornian heresy. They took care to not wipe out any faction. Except Sisters. Sisters in that setting are dead to the last.

And they made Thor a Marine dispite the key point of him was always 'he was just a simple man doing the emperor's will'. That was the last straw for me. Just too much marine wank, and I can handle GW levels.

Honestly with the space elves helping to ensure some consistency in the Imperium they probably wouldn't have ended up as a bunch of crazy religious halfwits.

Things would be better. The Eldar would mostly likey have moved to words in Imperial space rather than remained on the craftworlds with their population experiencing something of an explosion in size due to increased living space.

>>14100027
Wasn't the Imperial Truth a lie, though? You know, teaching that the universe is rational and scientific when it actually runs on belief and warp spawned horrors?

>>14100043
Well, if enough people believe the universe is rational and scientific, it becomes so.

>>14100037
I mean that's fine but it deserves mention for being such a thorough project.

Also the entire Heresy is pure marine wank. You can't really talk about it without jizzing all over super-space-marine-god-dudes.

rolled 11 = 11

>>14100057
So, a Psyker pops up on your world. Wat do?

>>14100065
You BURN THE WITCH.

Why do you even have to ask?

>>14100057
That's what the Emperor was trying to do, yeah. But the cat's out of the bag now. Hell, it was out as soon as Chaos showed up. Beyond the Heresy you can't stick your fingers in your ears and pretending that arranging a bunch of cogs in a specific fashion won't tear a hole in reality.

So eldrad's still alive? How long before he is a high lord? How long before he makes himself super emperor through just as planned dickery?

I really like the idea of the Eldar Gods being reborn slowly through time. Could there be mystery cults following the laughing god?
Would there be Imperial Guard Regiments who would pray to Khaine before battle- perhaps, nominating one of their number to go forth into battle naked, painted in his likeness.

>>14100058

Oh yes and the during-heresy and pre-heresy parts were fine. My issue came afterwards when basicly everything major after the heresy became 'Marines did it'. The entire age of Aposty became a marine civil war which ended with 'Marines fine again, Sisters killed to the last becuase fuck them'

>>14100065
Well, depending on the tech level, I suppose that the psyker is sniffed out (Perhaps by Eldar Wytch hunters? Who better to hunt out those humans touched by the warp then people constantly in communion with it?) , and brought by the black ships to Holy Terra, where they are trained to control their powers by sages of the mind, and stand before the Emperor, who sanctifies them and insulates them from the warp

>>14100042
>Would there be Imperial Guard Regiments who would pray to Khaine before battle- perhaps, nominating one of their number to go forth into battle naked, painted in his likeness?
"FOR KHAINE, AND HIS AVATAR, OLLANDUS!"

>>14100037
>>14100090

Thor was a marine? Urgh, what the fuck are they doing? The Imperium hasn't been about space marines since the end of the heresy. It's been about humans.

>>14096125
nah dude, squigs

horse-squigs, camel-squigs, boar-squigs, snake-squids, squids of any/every kind

Travelling Ork freebooters would roam from town to town with a pack of grots and a corral of squigs and charge teef to allow villagers to participate in the squig-rodeos.

Of course, the biggest and da meenest squigs would be a point of pride within ork freebooter society, with only the 'ardest nobs being able to ride the largest and meanest squigs for 8 gut-wrenchin' seconds

>>14094031

Where would the Imperial Cult sit after this? Because the emperor pretty much DID become a god there.

That and I think Seraphim and Howling Banshee strike teams would be very cool. That and the Sisters and the Eldar, once on the same side, would probebly get along rather well. They are both incredibly focused in dicipline and devoting thier life to being a better warrior for their god.

>>14100100
Eldar Inquisitors? LIIVI is dicking his Boss, the esteemed Ordo Hereticus Inquisitrix Taldeer
.....
SHIT- do you think the black Library is now open for members of the Inquisition to read? Instead of one human in ten billion?

>>14100128
Seems to me that since the emperor doesn't have to focus on the astronomicon as much, he can do some more miracles

>>14100126
I could see an all female strike force arising from the traditions of the Howling Banshees and the sisters of silence.

>>14100151

>Sisters of Silence with Banshees
>How.jpg

>>14100151
Weren't the sisters of silence nulls? That would probably create a lot of tension between them and the Eldar, who would be "I'm sorry- but you make the air taste like pain when you're around." Perhaps a split into two separate orders? One for the Psykically inclined and the other for those who rebuff the warp?
Would there be need for an Age of Apostasy for the Sisters of Battle to come into being?

>>14100176
>>14100170
I wouldn't say that they'd be working together on the same combat operations. Just that the precedent for an Adepta Sorotia like organization is present in both cultures

With all of these Eldar running around, free to use their psykic powers without getting slurped up by Slaanesh, would that make the immaterium more unstable? Perhaps more frequent and longer lasting warp storms?

I have no idea why GW don't do official alt history books, models, special promotional stuff etc. It would make them a lot more money. Most people that are fans of stories are also interested to see what would happen with unofficial changes, as this thread clearly shows. A separate timeline means more models to sell, and it doesn't disrupt your original setting.

>>14094031
>>14094031
Is there an alt-history scenario where instead of all the factions are grim dark villains who wants to kill each other but are all morally grey?

>>14100192
Pretty much moot since they now have access to the webway.

>>14100220
Hrmph. There has to be some way for Chaos to strike back for such a grievous wound. With the Eldar and The imperium working together, even on a chilly basis, means that they cover a lot of each others weaknesses. The eldar population has a chance to breath again- the imperium ha a crack at technology and ways at dealing with warp related phemoneana that they wouldn't be able to dream of for a hundred thouand years on the normal timeline.

>>14100184
There are male Banshees, though, even if they lack in the howling department.

>>14100244

Yes but the shrine is female. Male eldar that join will tend to act more feminine, much like a female that joing the striking scorpions will act more male.

How would the Tyranid invasions and the Necrons be affected by this?
I imagine a stronger Astronomican drawing out a larger hive fleet and the Necrons going to rise in greater force to counter this new threat.
And what about the Orks?

>>14100259
[citation needed]
Not that I have anything against Eldar traps, reverse or otherwise.

>>14100265
Orks are... well, orks. Theyz gonna stomp da 'umie and the panzees! Cowardly gits workin' together instead of all gettin' into one big scrape like gork an' mork sayz they should.

Necrons waking up earlier is probably not gonna happen- they sleep until they're progammed to get up, or someone disturbs their tombs

Tyranids... has possibilities

>>14100126
Imperial Cult... I think, is a mixed bag. The Emperor is probably able to communicate his wils more effectively in this form, so it's possible he could keep his whole "i'm not a god, just the apex of human advancement," shtick- but even he has to admit he's... rather dietific. Perhaps he would suggest that humanity not just focus their zealotry him, but rather spread out their faith and incorporate the Eldar Gods.
... which may end up backfiring spectacularly as the Eldar become more fanatic. Perhaps the two religions mellow each other out? Eldar are more likely to get up in arms over faith, but humanity as a whole is more mellow?

>>14100289
>Necrons waking up earlier is probably not gonna happen- they sleep until they're progammed to get up, or someone disturbs their tombs

Eldars can detect sleeping necrons underneath a world cant they. They could probably purge them and then terraform the world

>>14100315
Imperials have a true god now. They will worship him

>>14100104
"Tonight we weep, for the singers of the Harlequin tell us the tale of the lost one. Isha, the fallen goddess of life, now queen of death and insanity. When the Prince of Pleasure arose, she alone was spared the wrath of Slaanesh and the fate of her siblings, rescued by Father Nurgle, the prince of decay. But, this was a mixed blessing. The Gods, in their agonies, would find rebirth. She alone remains, unchanged, held prisoner by Nurgle, who forces unto her the worst of his bile 'gifts.' Hers is a sad fate- corruption, malignicy, a slow festering without even the solace of unexistance. Isha was driven mad. And it is why we revile Nurgle above all other gods."

>>14100342
Hey leave nurgle alone. He means well.

>>14094031
>shutupandtakemymoney.jpg
please for the love of god gamesworkshop make this into at least a spin off of the game.

So eldar imperials?

The Emperor withers under the daemonically enhanced blows of his once favoured son, now the avatar of his most hated enemies.

"Horus, I had thought to myself that it would never come to this. That this secret would be one that would last an eternity. But it is not to be."

"FATHER YOU ARE A FOOL TO SERMON ME AT THE EVE OF YOUR OWN DEMISE. YOU WILL LIE BROKEN AND FORGOTTEN FOR AN ETERNITY AS MANKIND OPEN THEMSELVES TO THE WARP"

And then the Emperor was a bear.

"YOUR PSYCHIC TRICKERY WILL NOT WORK UPON ME FATHER. YOU HAVE VEILED THE TRUTH FOR THE LAST TIME."

Horus was also a bear.

"It took millenia to realise my dream of a humanity united under bears. But now, my cub, the time has come for you to hibernate forever."

"WHAT? NO!"

Horus fought valiantly, his lightning claws fighting style largely unhindered by the changes that had taken place. But the illusion the Emperor had put in place for centuries was one that he had not been effected by. He was a Bear of incredible swordsmanship, and furthermore, far larger than Horus in his towering frame.

As Horus sputtered his last breaths, he had one last question to ask, perhaps out of personal desire for truth, perhaps on missive from his dark masters.

"What... what of the Marine legions? WHAT ARE THEY?"

"Human-bear hybrids. It took many centuries to perfect the technology."

>>14100482
Yep- with the dark eldar and snobby eldar swanning around too.

I like the idea of an Eldar Chaplain manifesting powers of the God emperor through his indomitable will and firey passion

>>14100535
Oh god I need to play that.

>>14100547
"BEHOLD HIS MIGHT- AND PERISH!"

>>14100073
>>14100057
>>14100043
I think this is all wrong in a way. The universe is rational and scientific the warp is run on belief and the souls of all things

this was a truth and one could only barely access one by the other although they influenced each other

only at the fall of the eldar did complete rationality and complete psycic energy merge to for a time of only semi-truths

rationality exists alongside irrationality. Everything is basically fucked.


this goes back to the materium and immaterium are 2 side of the coin that never should see the other

somehow the eldar fucked up the natural order for the whole universe.

also did nobody see the word "pact" that means they are allies who dont fuck with eachother not "HURP DURP FARSEER LIBRARIANS"

Its not like if the us signs an alliance to britian they are suddenly our subjects

>>14100614
Thought they were.

>>14100633
thats funny

>>14100614
true, but if you reverse that....

>>14100614
.... Farseer Librarians. FARSEER LIBRARIANS.
People who know how a fight will end before it even begins, who predict your every move.
"I've fought this battle a thousand times already."

>>14100491

This is so retarded it loops right back around to fucking awesome, then back down to retarded, then around to totally sweet.

>>14100633
lol'd

>>14100008
My internets, 200,000 of them

>>14100377
Nurgle is the downs syndrome kid of the Chaos powers; very strong but still retarded

>>14100342
>>14100377
>>14100980
Wouldn't the Eldar still be, I don't know, kinda PISSED at Slaanesh.

I mean god damn, he raped the shit out of their entire race and corrupted their racial memory basically permanently, as the Infinity Circuit's were up and existing during the Heresy, the Eldar would have an Eternal reminder of one immutable fact.

SLAANESH IS A NIGGER, FUCK HIM/HER/IT.

Though I doubt Isha would be any more likely to fall, less actually, since now she actually has hope of one the now rallying Eldar gods coming to save her since they aren't totally focused on not being raped to death by Slaanesh.

>>14101149

Isn't slaanesh like dead now or something? I assume having your hunger torn out of you would be fairly bad for your health.

>>14101191
Gods can survive an incredible amount of bullshit. Take Khaine, for instance.
Slaanesh is probably very weak- strong enough to defend herself from being devoured by the other three gods, but that's about it.

>>14101256

>Implying the other three wouldn't team up to TEAR OUT HER HEART! or something.

>>14101191
Most likely not.

Having the left hemisphere of your chest carved out is pretty lethal and Slaanesh kept trucking on after THAT, this just goes further on the 'Slaanesh is a pussy' shtick Khorne has.

Actually, Khorne probably finds all this hilarious.

He probably kicked Slaanesh a few times while it was down.

So Slaanesh is just weaker, not gone, also, no more dominion over the Eldar, obviously.

God damn Captcha double teamed me with my internet to eat this post four times.

>>14101191
Most likely not.

Having the left hemisphere of your chest carved out is pretty lethal and Slaanesh kept trucking on after THAT, this just goes further on the 'Slaanesh is a pussy' shtick Khorne has.

Actually, Khorne probably finds all this hilarious.

He probably kicked Slaanesh a few times while it was down.

So Slaanesh is just weaker, not gone, also, no more dominion over the Eldar, obviously.

God damn Captcha double teamed me with my internet to eat this post five times.

>>14101486
>>14101506
Whoa just got back.

Sorry, my computers bad.

I like this better than the stock 40k universe.

Fund it!

>>14101666
It's on Sup/tg/ already, vote it up to keep it from getting purged.

We need a name for this setting so we can 1d4chan for later ideas.

Warhammer: The age of grey

In the darkness of the far future, there is only war and the Laughter of the Mocking God

In the final hour of the Horus Heresy, Horus stood, weakened but ultimately triumphant over the Emperor's dying body, Sanguinius laying dead in a pool of his own blood, their honour guards slain in the climactic conflict, with none left to witness the Emperor's final moments. Except one. One man, who saw the clash of perhaps the two greatest living warriors, who saw the Emperor stand up to the might of the Chaos Gods and nearly win, who would bear witness to the death of the Emperor. It was a fate he could not bear to see come to pass. He would finish the task the Emperor started.

Drawing the standard issue knife he was given when he joined the Imperial Guard, he rushed Horus. Had Horus been at the height of his power, he would have brushed the attack aside. However, weakened as he was, he could do little to stop the attack (or perhaps Tzeentch just looked the other way...). The blade jammed into Horus' mouth, piercing through into his brain and killing him.

Meanwhile, somewhere in the Warp, the Chaos Gods watched events unfold from a ratty old sofa (well, three of them did, Nurgle had his own chair because no-one was particularly keen on sitting next to him).

"Wow, I didn't see that one coming!"
"That's a first for you, Tzeentch. Still, it's a pretty impressive kill."
"DAMN STRAIGHT IT IS! THAT'S THE PROPER WAY TO KILL SOMETHING BIGGER THAN YOURSELF: JAM YOUR BLADE IN IT'S BRAIN!"
"Khorne, we talked about this, indoor voice please."
"... Fine. Can we at least get the corpse of our champion back, before someone starts teabagging him or something?"
"Wait a sec, I think something good is going to happen."

>>14102092

The sound of screeching metal filled the bridge of Horus' command ship, as Horus' armour slowly lost balance and toppled over, trapping his killer underneath him.

"Pfft... HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh man, that was classic! The look on that poor bugger's face!"
"Yeah ok that was worth it. Let's get him back now, we need to figure out what to do about getting a new champion."
"On it."

A flash of red light filled the bridge of Horus' command ship as the energies of the Warp extracted their former champion, his killer still trapped underneath.

"Errr guys? We only have one champion, right?"
"Well, yeah."
"So how did we teleport 2 people?"
"I dunno, but I think we found our new champion."
"Well he did kill the old one. But isn't he loyal to the Emperor?"
"Meh, fill him with enough Chaos and something's bound to stick."
"Well then, arise, new Chamion of Chaos! Arise... Ollanius Pius."

"... What the fuck have I gotten myself into?"

The end of the Horus Heresy proceeds similarly to the normal version, however the actions of the Chaos Space Marines differ enormously: with Ollanius leading them, they strike out against every faction except the Imperium. Those loyal to Ollanius state that he's simply removing the competition so that Chaos will be the one to wipe out the Imperium. However, more suspicious minds theorise that Ollanius' true loyalties never changed, even throughout his transformation into the next Champion of Chaos....

bump

>>14100241
thats why I suggested a fundamentalist faction of the AdMech that goes Necron earlier in the thread... and the event of the "Omnissiah's Rebirth" would probably wake up a lot more necron lords to cause shit for everyone.

...and the advancement of the hivefleets can just be accelerated or something so they Imperium can't just sit cozy.

>>14102223
there are also the ultraorthodox High Eldar, who would be glad to dick over the Imperium and their 'fallen' kin among them.

The Dark Eldar might see a population boom now that they have more time to devote to dicking around now that soul drinking is purely recreational for the most part.

Also Exodites, they could very well do something.

>>14102281
So the High Eldar wouldn't really change from the canon ones, since they'd still use soulstones to catch the souls of their dead to release into the Infinity Circuits of their Craftworld?
I suppose the Imperium, and the Imperium Eldar would treat the High Eldar and the Dark Eldar as heretics, then?

>>14102223
and the Necron AdMech could run around forcefully passing on the blessing of the Omnissiah, turning the population of an entire planets into zombie like machines

>>14102315
more than likely i'd say

additionally, the allies of the T'au such as the Kroot and Vespid could have their presence enlarged

>>14102315
Actually, since all Eldar souls would go to the Emperor, and the such souls are used to help power the Astronomicon, wouldn't the Imperium go out of their way to hunt down High Eldar and Dark Eldar, making especially sure that any soulstones are cracked open so that the souls may join with the Emperor?

>>14102386
So, Eldar Faction's:

High Eldar: Normal Canon Eldar, basically.

Dark Eldar: Even worse then Canon, now uncontested most evil faction.

Imperial Eldar: Hmm... This would be the Craftworld Eldar that joined the Imperium, they would probably be the Eldar military, with the Craftworld's 'Civilian' population's leaving to the Imperial Worlds and geting new Eldar Worlds set up, leaving the Craftworld's as giant mobile military fortresses.

Exodite Eldar:... Probably where all the 'Civilian' Eldar from the Imperial Eldar went, they would probably send most of their fighting Eldar to man the Craftworld fortresses, and would probably come up with a new name, or just call themselves Eldar.

AdMech: Split's up into three factions:

Necron AdMech: fed up with the heretical non Omnissiah approved Xeno Tech, they threw a second, lesser, Heresy, but for the Omnissiah instead of the Emperor, and stole a chunk of Mars that had the Void Dragon in it, believing the Void Dragon to be the Omnissiah.

Loyal AdMech: Canon, but without the Void Dragon Cult and more faithfully beleiving the Emperor is the Omnissiah.

Dark Mechanicum: Canon.

>>14094031
I approve of this eldar+squats+imps vs everyone else? good times good times.

And imperium and eldar fighting together isn't anything new. there have been several instances in fluff where they've teamed up. DOWII is an exception because idranel is a cunty racist retard

>>14102506
...

I just realized that the Eldar would actually help the Squats when asked in this universe.

The Squat's wouldn't be Squated here- Well okay they would still be horribly screwed by the nids and would most likely not maintain as their own faction with all the death's, as, their Squats, you KNOW they are going to die en mass to protect their home worlds.

But they would survive far better then they did in canon.

Good catch on that.

with slaanesh almost dead, wouldnt the dark eldar just fall under the influence of the other gods? im sure theyre exposed to the warp enough that they would be pretty susceptible to some other chaos taint

>>14102561
The Dark Eldar aren't Slaaneshi, they were never Slaaneshi, their just THAT horrible.

They hate Slaanesh, maybe not as badly as the regular Eldar, but they do.

Damocles campaign with Imperials and Eldar fighting the Tau in the name of Eldrad and the Emperor?

Time to change underwear.

>>14102585
Oh yeah, Eldrad lives through this.

So he would be the 'Emperor' of the Eldar faction that joined the Imperium, since it was his deal and all.

>region lutrati

Captcha says that the lore needs something called Region Lutrati in it.

if the eldar were successfully integrated into the imperium by the end of the horus heresy, wouldnt they have eldar space marines by the 41st millennium?

>>14099807

Also i could see the production of laser weaponry in Imperium to be augmented with eldar technology, who also employ laser technology, albeit more advanced, efficient etc.

Imperial guard might be seeing new, far more energy efficient and powerful lasguns.

the Necron AdMech are totally the Zonder from GaoGaiGar

>>14102585

I'm sorry but no amount of plot armor will be getting the Tau a codex in this universe. Actually competent Imperials with actual allies? Yeah the Tau are getting maybe a page or so describing the crusade in the "Imperial Eldar" codex.

>>14102858
So all las weapons get +1 to S?

Maybe +2" to range?

>>14102885
There's also the fact that the Imperium is less likely to launch an unprovoked xenocidal crusade if they have Xeno allies already.

Maybe trying to 'ally' with other Xeno's on a case by case basis?

>>14102885
as is the Tau wouldn't survive

and even with the Necon Awakening they'd get steamrolled unless they somehow managed to reverse engineer necron shit or joins with the Necron AdMech

Still can't see a 1d4chan article.

Someone who knows how to do that should get on it.

>sques short

Captcha? It's spelled 'Squats', and yes they're short, but they're short for the Emperor.

>>14102925

If the AdMech is accepting of Eldar tech, do you think they'd be more receptive to other xeno-tech?
I mean they'd definitely crush the Tau in a heartbeat in this scenario, but do you think they'd incorporate the technology into their own?

>>14102980
No we've gone over this.

AdMech... Loyalist Admech, since there's two different traitor branches of it, is still contemptuous of all Xeno Tech.

The rest of the Imperium just doesn't give a fuck, because HIS WILL BE DONE.

So in this universe, the AdMech's iron grip over technology has been forcibly throttled into submission.

>>14103002
On the plus for them, with other people picking up the 'give everyone guns and shit' slack, the AdMech can focus more on searching for DaoTech.

So they would presumably find more of it... Maybe.

>>14103002

That makes me wonder.
After all this time, why has the Imperium not simply shaken down the AdMech and taken full control over it?

>>14103042

In this setting? Sounds like they pretty much have. In the core setting? Its kinda hard to shake down anything when the guys making your space ships run go "LOL NO! WE AREN'T LETTING YA ATTACK OUR FORGE WORLD!"

>>14103042
Because SOMEONE needs to be training the Enginseer's TechPriests and TechMarine's.

And look for STC's and stuff from the DaoT.

Though it probably does have more control, enough st least to have a group focused on actually assimilating Eldar Tech, probably a sub group in the AdMech that answers to one of the High Lords, maybe a new High Lord in charge of research and development.

This actually gives the main part of the AdMech more free time, so, another bonus for them.

>>14103042
well, I'd assume that after the "Noctis Heresy" the remaining AdMech would be policed pretty hard

>>14103042
Titan Legions.
Skitarii.
Legio Cybernetica.
Explorator Warbands.
Explorator Fleets.

The AdMech are extremely powerful.

>>14103092
yes but they lost some of their power when a chunk of the Machine Cult went crazy

>>14103092

If they're so powerful, then why do they need the Imperium's protection?

>>14103067

I've never heard of DaoTech before, what exactly is it?

>>14103153
Because they're only powerful when the Imperium is powerful.

>>14103153
Convenience.

These guys will act as a meat shield for us and in return all we have to do is have some low-ranking guys go out and maintain their technology. Leaving us free to seek out ancient tech and ponder the mysteries of the Omnissiah.

>>14103164
...

Dark age of Technology, I abbreviated it.

>>14103164
Dark age of Technology is what it means

>>14103176
We commonly call it DAoT.

Technology from the DAoT is called archeotech.

themoreyouknow.jpg

the loyalist AdMech is likely a bit more chill and appreciates actual science just a wee bit more and since they don't have monopoly on technological industries they can spend more time digging up DaoT stuff

>>14103183
Thank you.

>>14103268
Yeah that's what I've been saying.

bump

Warhammer 40k Altern: The Eldar Bargain.

Someone 1d4chan this so we can write down setting ideas in one place already, this thread is running out of momentum.

the thread has been archived

anyway if we want to keep the Tau as able to continue existing as an actual codex they are going to need something to make them viable

then again with the pheromonal mind control that shouldnt be to hard...

...and then suddenly the tau were controled genestealers!

>>14103593
Yeah, but putting it on 1d4chan means we can keep brainstorming after this thread dies without waiting for someone to make a new one.

Plus, with how it's always gone, archive means it a good idea, 1d4chan means it's at least working toward a setting you can actually play a game in.

Imagine playing a game of Dark Heresy in this setting? It would throw a shit of a curve-ball to veteran players and let new players think outside the proverbial box.

Or Deathwatch?

>>14103553
>Warhammer 40k Altern: The Eldar Bargain.
Warhammer 40K Alter: The Eldar Gambit

>>14103740
but fun for SUDDENLY WARM STORM and then you find yourself in an alternate universe

>Eriza Zuberek
Who are you talking about Catpcha? I don't know any Eriza Zuberek

In the OP's alternate history, can Khorne (one of the oldest, most primal and rooted gods) be weakened until his power is subsumed into Gork and Mork, allowing Orks have their very own anti-psyker shit?

The inquisition probably wouldn't exist, but I feel that a more open imperium might do business with/ignore the Tau rather than just wipe them out for being uppity xenos. If there's no Daemons there's no Grey Knights, so the biggest threat would be Tyranids and Necrons.

>>14104152
hoooowww about no

>>14104152
chaos isn't gone you derp

>>14103913
Hope to Christ you meant "Warp Storm."

>>14104152
If, canonically, the Eldar uplifted the Tau, which might be the case, then the Tau would never even show up on the Imperium's radar.
>Continuity UNIZC
Captcha thinks that this continuity is un-International Zoning
Control compliant. It might be right.

What about Macha? Does she become the next in line for the Imperium throne or what?

>>14104420
On the other hand, if the tau were created by one of the C'Tan, they would probably be made a bit further away, and given some kind of advantage to cope.

>>14104152
Fuck that, just have Gork and Mork loot Slaanesh.
Let's see who laughs last.

>>14104152
With the inclusion of the Eldar, and the possibly less desperate and more tolerant Imperium, they probably won't have a "kill the xeno" hard-on as much, as long as the xeno recognizes the superiority of the Imperium.

>>14105881
In other words, more like the Emperor wanted.

>>14106435
Yes.
The 41st Millenium will still be filled with war, but it won't be as grimdark as the canon timeline. Hell, the Reasonable Marines might actually be a real chapter.

>>14106534
Would they even divide into chapters? With the Eldar on the Imperial side, particularly Eldrad... Well, I can't see them supporting the Codex, and given that Girlyman only managed to push it through because Dorn saw it might cause another war, with extra support it might not be adopted. After all, the Imperium would be a lot more stable right after the heresy if it suddenly had an inrush of Eldar forces to replace the lost forces.
This could lead to them being able to hunt down and destroy a lot of the traitors after they flee, rather than giving them time to recover and make pacts with Chaos. Hell, would the Alpha Legion still be all "regrettably, we must destroy the Imperium to save the galaxy from Chaos. In the Emperors name" in this case?

you know, a thought just occured to me. using librarians as guides, space marine platoons and such have access to the eldar webway allowing them to move from one place to another faster and more efficiently and have access to the black library.

with librarians and harlequins having somewhat of a mixed relationship, but still would team up for missions and such. imagine space marines, and possibly tech marines having access to the black library... i see hovering land raiders in the future...

Honestly with the Twilight Imperium in existence there would need to be counter-balance. Chaos won't do it as they'd be much too backwards to be much of a threat anymore. Perhaps if the Tau would align themselves with the forces of Chaos through ALPHARIUSSSSSS! level dickery the Imperium would have a worthy adversary. Both sides have access to powerful warp magics and otherworldly beings. They have a large pool of manpower to draw on and technology on par with one another. It would be the clash of two great Empires.

So... if humans and Eldar can make offspring together, that means their physiology is compatible. Which also implies that since Humans are a younger race than the Eldar, humanity is a sub-species of Eldar. They shouldn't really be fighting in the first place!

>>14106756
the alpha legion disappears into the webway to troll the Dark Eldar, honing their skills to a fine art before they occasionally return to troll everything and anything in the name of the Emperor

>>14107006
NOCTIS HERESY AND THE NECRON AWAKENING BRO, THE IMPERIUM HAS NO TIME TO REST

>>14107030
it is rumored that Eldrad is also Alpharius

>>14107019

Sez the subspecies of humanity that wiped out the Neanderthals.

Never forgive. Never forget.

Bump.

Dude that's enough for one thread, we're almost to autosagus anyway...

Autosage is 200 post's right?

Or 300?

I got a Migraine like a motherfucker.

Guys.
Remember this comic?
With the alternate timeline, the AI wouldn't have been stopped.
You know what that means?

>>14108820
>mfw skynet 40k

>>14108820
Sauce on awesome comic?

>>14108848
Pax Imperialis.
It's in /rs/ somewhere, I'm not sure. Saved it during a comic post thread.

>>14108820
To be fair, it's probably just gonna get discovered by the Necron Mechanicus and added to their ranks to "possess" the vehicles of the enemy.

>>14108820
Actually, the AdMech's tech seeking groups would be bigger. Again, they don't have tech monopoly anymore since they got Double Heresied here.

With a bigger task force they wouldn't have had quite as much trouble, and after the Noctis Heresy I don't think any AdMech anything would go unarmed anymore.

>>14109001
Although the explorator team might still be foolish enough to go there and unearth the AI.
And with the alternate past it's entirely possible that the taskforce assigned there never sealed the place at all.

>>14109023
...Might?

The Cult of the omnisiah is still as stupid and retarded as canon, they're just more focused on getting Archeotech and have more free time, and enough paranoia to always bring guns.

>>14109130
Also, they probably have better guns, and possibly access to Eldar Farseeing to help them scout good places to look.

>>14109130
It definitely won't stop them unleashing a Skynet into the galaxy and creating a new enemy.
That would be interesting, though. New faction for sentient AI singularity?

>>14109531
Why not, it only had the one building, and it was cockblocked by a single squad of PDF troopers.

Plus it never actually got to TEST whether or not it could actually posses anything, Machine Spirit's are actually AI remember? Just not the 'lol human intelligence' kind.

And again, AdMech still hates all Xeno Tech, it was their religion before the Heresy... The First Heresy

Bump.

Posting in an epic thread.

Bumpan.

>>14103779
>Warhammer 40k Altern: The Eldar Bargain.
>Warhammer 40K Alter: The Eldar Gambit
Warhammer 40k Alt: The Eldar Treaty

Hm..
Imperial Eldar, Necron Admech, and Super-Skynet...
FUND IT!

>>14094197
>>14094031
Fuck yeah, the Win is back and it's packing some magnum heat!
Bumping, because this is awesome.
And Cowboy Neo-Exodite/Explorators taming the Wild Galactic West on mighty 'onrey squig/nid (Tyrasquigs?) steeds is fuckwin as well.

>>14094932
Wow.
I have the weirdest boner right now.
I think that's my every fetish incarnated.
Good show.

>>14110597
Don't forget the robot gringos.

>>14109754
I foresee Tau having problems with their drones now.
"Unit four, fire over there!"
"This unit is bugged."
"Wait, why are you pointing your gun at m-"

>>14110597
So we have Wild West-esque Eldar and Humans on Frontier Worlds, riding tyrasquiq mounts as they battle against the predations of native Ork WAAAGH-bands and Necron gringos.

Here's a great alt-history scenario:

The Emperor never made any Primarchs. He took to the void on a great crusade with only an army of guardsmen and his scientists.


And no Space Marines.

>>14111361
Except that the main reason he made the... Well, the thunder warriors, but basically space marines, was to conquer Terra. Take to the void nothing.

>>14111336
Is it wrong that the main thing I think of when I read about this alternate history setting, is basically just imagining how best to adapt it into Firefly?

>>14111361

And they promptly died when they ran up against the first ork invasion. Bad End.

Plus I'm pretty sure that Space Marines predate the Imperial Army.

>>14111553
That's actually how I envisioned the Frontier Worlds to be like. Rules are alittle relaxed on the recently terraformed worlds that are in the Frontier classification.
The more rustic technologies are used because they are easier to maintain away from the more developed worlds, until local industry can make up the slack.

Pic is Da Ork wid No Name.