>>16610118
B: Melee Specialist
Hanzo: Ranged Specialist
Shimaru: Sensor

This was the team roles and composition I voted for.

Now, one plan we have is to kill the guards at the entrances, plug them up, and fill the base with Hanzo's poison. Then we just wait for someone trying to escape, and kill them.

>>16610118
I vote we implement "The floor is now lava" plan. Well as soon as we find a skilled fire user to bring.

>>16610173
Actually you know what, lets do this. I'd like to add one or two more members but forget it, lets get on with the raid.

>>16610174
Where are we going to get ahold of a fire user of that caliber on such short notice, that we could trust with this black op?
Baki is pretty good with fire, but he's all the way out in Sand country.

>>16610210
Just use a summon. If we're going to use Hanzo's poison anyway we may as well go balls deep.

>>16610234
Just gotta make sure: no survivors, no witnesses.

Man, how many of Naruto's friends' parents are we going to end up killing?

>>16610263
No survivors was the request anyway. Once we've done the heavy lifting we can let the Hokage clean up. Seems like he wants at least a little of the action.

>>16610286
Well, he wants us to leave one of his teleportation tags hidden inside the base. He wants to be kept out of this raid as much as possible, from what he told us.

Alright, so OP, are we contacting B and Hanzo?
Also, ask Minato "So how long were you waiting to teleport in to get your tags?"

You, Baki, B, and Hanzo depart under cover of night towards the base. With the knowledge of its layout you use your water jutsu to make sure the tide doesn't provide an outlet for them to flee.

Hanzo makes the signs at your bidding and Ibuse looms above you all as he puts his massive head to the mouth of the cave and blows in a huge gout of poisonous gas. It takes a little while, but the gas permeates the area and people are incapable of escape as Hanzo dismisses Ibuse.

The four of you descend into the base, your masks keeping you mostly safe from the effects of the poison. However, it is a little disorienting. (-1 to pools.)

Many of the weaker shinobi have already collapsed, seized by the poison's terrible effects. However, the few standing seem to have scrambled for masks of their own. Amongst them are Deidara, whom you recognize instantly from his tall blond ponytail, and his bodyguard, Kisame. Kisame's gills are wriggling as he clearly has maimed a dying shinobi to absorb his chakra and keep his healing going, "Contact Leader! Deidara-san, be read- there they are!" He says and points at you all as Samehada growls, Kisame ready for a brawl.

>>16610458
Kill Deidara, as quickly as possible. Don't let word get out.

>>16610474
Deidara isn't calling, he and Kisame are both standing guard as five agents are gathered in a circle and are doing a ninjutsu to send a message to leader. Their eyes are covered and they are focused, you could kill them easily.

Rank+Genjutsu Knowledge

And then give orders.

>>16610458
Have B and Hanzo focus on Kisame, Baki on clean up and we'll take out Deidara.

What's our new signature technique op?

>>16610501
Our new signature, I believe, was sprouting a shield from our bone-arm and using it for defense.

>>16610498
I'll roll once OP is back.

Oh man, Kisame? Why'd it have to be him, and now, of all times?

Okay, here's an idea I've got: we summon salamanders, 5 of them. Attach explosive tags to them. Hanzo and B fight Kisame, Baki distracts Deidara.
The salamanders slither up to the 5 shinobi trying to get off a message, drop off the tags unnoticed, and then we detonate the tags to kill them and prevent them from getting a message off.

rolled 3, 8, 6, 5, 8, 6 = 36

Ok, we focus on taking out the 'messengers'. I vote just blitzing in and taking them out with a wide cleave, unless our Genjutsu roll tells us otherwise - such as 'killing them won't work', or 'killing them completes the message. (Dice Rolled: 5 rank, 3 skill, -1 for gas mask. Trying to roll under 4, if the stat is Gen. Also, using older character sheet, so not sure if there are any changes there.)

Also WE DON'T ATTACK SEMPAI! Not just because it's Kisame-Sempai, but because he should be able to just read who we are from attacking him.

>>16610541
I thought our new technique was Flickerblading or 'Supreme Cut'.

>>16612847
First, we're not the melee specialist in this team, so we can't use Flurry. We can't just cleave into all of the messenger ninja.
Second, the genjutsu roll is for initiative, not figuring out the ninjutsu that the messenger shinobi are using.

I still think it better that put those explosive tags to good use, and use our summons with them. It's a completely different fighting style than what we became famous for, and so it will be harder to trace back to us.

>>16612903
Well, have Killa Bee flurry slaughter them all.

And Initiative is just Gen + Rank, not Gen Knowledge.

>>16613150
>Initiative is just Gen + Rank, not Gen Knowledge.
Is that in the updated rules? Because it was Genjutsu Knowledge before.

>Last one 404'd.

I TOLD YOU BRO
I TOLD YOU TO STOP WITH ONE UPDATE A DAY SHTICK!
this was one of the dangers of not doing an entire session, now the thread will not be on suptg archive and it will be confusing for new readers.

Here is the easymodo thread
http://archive.easymodo.net/tg/thread/16587269
I suggest putting it into the DESCRIPTION when archiving the this thread so that when people read the archives they have easier time finding it.

Oh, OP, are we using the new Determination and Chakra mechanics for this fight, or the old ones?

Are we going to convert Shimaru to the new mechanics, or keep him with the old one until the end of this battle?

We're going to discuss the new rules and update the rules paste and then keep going.

>>16613646
Okay. So, what's going on? Those of use that can't get on IRC are pretty much out of the loop when it comes to mechanics discussions, and would like something to chew on.

>>16613869
Alright, the current rules to be changed are Determination, Chakra Control, and Chakra Pool (to a very small amount)

Determination is now a stat that increases during the course of battle. For the sake of discussion, the Determination on your sheet is Determination Stat (DS), and the one you gain is Determination Resource (DR).

You gain DR at a rate of 1+(1/3 DS), always rounding down. DR is also a restraining factor as your best techniques and moves have a DR requirement to be used. Additionally, and finally, DR is gained at the end of the turn, and you can spend it on defensive actions at a rate of 1 extra roll per point of determination blown.

Chakra Control can now be used as resource management, to convert HP->Determination, Determination->Chakra, and Chakra->HP (via medical jutsu).

Lastly, you can use Chakra from your pool to increase a technique, however that one is still in testing as to how much and to what effect. For now, it's on the to do list.

>>16612847
So that one success means we're probably going last.

The order of combat is going to be Baki, Deidara, Hanzou, Kisame, B, You.

>>16614130
Is Chakra Control the skill Chakra Control, or is it the Chakra attribute?

>>16614236
There is no chakra control skill. I don't think I was clear, sorry.

When you want to do one of the actions under Chakra Control you roll Rank targeting your Chakra Control stat, NOT your chakra pool which only has the singular purpose of being a resource.

For each success you get, it allows you to transfer 1. Example, you roll Rank targeting Chakra control and get 3 successes. You can now gain 3 determination, for 24 hp, or 3 chakra, for 3 determination, or heal X HP for 3 chakra. X being Medical Ninjutsu+Rank.

>>16614228
Alright, so our Determination starts at 0, and won't get up to 3 until after our turn.

Also, could you update our character sheet with the new Chakra and Determination requirements of the jutsu's?

Also, does the new mechanic mean that jutsu's cost both Chakra and Determination, or just Determination?

>>16614253
Okay, then what does our Chakra Manipulation skill do now?

>>16614297
Skill or Stat? I don't think we have a chakra manipulation skill.

>>16614285
That's correct. When our turn ends we go to 3.
I will indeed update our sheet with that.
And no, it doesn't burn the determination, it just requires we have it.

>>16614311
>Skill or Stat?
Skill. I've got this as our most recent character sheet.
http://pastebin.com/aiDggj1M

Baki is first to react and lunges forward at Deidara. A vibrating aura of wind around his hand means danger as he gets into range with Deidara and exchanges a flurry of kicks and Deidara's feeble blocks before Baki slams his fingers through Deidara's sternum, causing the boy to cough up blood before his skin pales and Baki has his hand stuck through a clay clone.

Baki looks around confused before a flash of movement, two white birds of clay, shoot out from the ground at him as he puts his hands together and spits out a thin blade of wind which reaches for the birds, but not before Deidara's voice rings out, "Boom!" The birds go up in a flash of fire and chakra as he is thrown backwards, coughing, his mask charred a bit, but otherwise none the worse for wear.

Hanzo draws his kusari-gama and throws it forward, trying to ensnare Samehada and after successfully latching onto it he tugs back hard, trying to disarm Kisame. However, that is a largely futile effort as Kisame just tugs back harder and brings Hanzo forward. The legendary ninja is kneeling before Kisame who raises his massive blade and smashes it down, breaking apart a water clone as he chuckles. However, his chuckle fades when he sees his legs covered in explosive tags. Hanzo sets them off and Kisame's legs are blown clear away, before he himself dissolves into water. The real Kisame is panting already, his beady eyes narrowed.

"Alright mother fuckers, we're gonna see. If your punk assess can take the Killa B!" The idiot roars out as he lunges forward and his swords fly loose from their scabbards as he lands in the middle of the communicator ninjas and he whips his body around like a top and executes them on the spot, none of their necks sturdy enough to handle the B's attack.

Your move.

>>16614376
You're 100% correct. I'm sorry for the confusion. I'll replace it with Summoning Skills and we'll call it even.

>>16614428
We're the Sensor of this team, so we should do that. Provide support to Baki by locating and locking down Deidara's position.

Have there been any changes to the Lockdown mechanic?

>>16614467
No, as it stands it takes one of your half actions, barring attack or jutsu usage which limits you to movement, and prevents substitution shenanigans.

Water Clone, and see if we can loose the clone in the confusion so he can go set up the tag.

After that, charge the kid and attack. Most of our other moves are give aways, so this is gonna be a bit more Melee focused. I don't want Sempai knowing what we've done.

(Attacking with 5 Rank in Great Swordsmanship, 4 Rank trying to beat 9)

>>16614528
Actually we're High Jonin, so we're at rank 5 now!
Not sure if I noted that anywhere, really need to finish up that character sheet.

I will after I shower.

rolled 9, 3, 10, 3, 2, 1, 5, 8 = 41

>>16614528
Roll, remembering to factoring in the -1 because of gas masks. And remember, with Biltz 2, they have -2 dice pool

>>16614528
Set up the tag on what?
Also, we've lost visual on Deidara and need to use the our Sensor role to find him and prevent him from using substitutions to get away.

rolled 10, 6, 3, 7, 7, 10, 5, 7 = 55

>>16614566
>>16614557
Rolling -again-, then.

>>16614572
True. Can we sensor while attacking?

And we need to set up the Hokage's tag..well, he never told us were, so anywhere. Some place out of the way, I assume, where it won't be found.

>>16614581
You rolled 8 dice again.
Rank 5 + Greatsword 5 -1 is 9 dice.

>>16614592
>True. Can we sensor while attacking?
See >>16614507
>barring attack or jutsu usage which limits you to movement
So no, we can't attack if we want to actually find and allow our target to be hit.

>>16614618
Well, if we're down to just locking down Deidara and another half action - not sure what else we can do - then lets just focus on locking down the Bomb Man.

>>16614592
Why are you setting up the tag in the middle of combat, when it would be far better to set it up after the battle? Killing high-ranking members of Akatsuki is as important an objective as placing the tag, and if we divert our attention from the battle, then we run the risk of one of them getting away.

>>16614648
So we're tracking down the explosives expert? A wise decision.

>>16614662
Yes, as we should have been doing instead of trying to hit something we can't even see.

>>16614669
You put your fingers together and detect him hiding under the ground, alerting Baki and everyone to his whereabouts.

"Roger!" Baki calls out as he throws an explosive tag with your guidance and detonates it. Deidara is forced to jump away as Baki fires a huge orb of compressed wind, "Wind Style: Explosive Pressure Cannon!" The ball flies at Deidara who sneers, "Shit." He calls out before throwing an explosive in front of himself, covering up and calling out, "Boom!"

The massive explosion fills the room with white-hot light as Baki lands somewhere next to you with an oomf of pain. Deidara is presumably also hurt by the attack. When the light clears Hanzo is making seals and throws a single explosive tag at Kisame who blocks it, but when the tag lands it duplicates to roughly a hundred tags, Kisame's eyes narrowing as he throws Samehada away and the tags go off. Naturally Samehada is unharmed, but Kisame is now vulnerable. He makes seals and calls out, "Water Style: Explosive Water Shockwave!" With a retching sound he spews out a massive tidal wave of water which threatens to fill the whole cave system as he keeps the flow coming.

Killer B sees this and throws his hands up in the air, calling out, "Oh yeah! Here we go! They're gonna know, my wicked tight flow!" His right arm becomes shrouded with purple lightning before he rushes Kisame and smashes him in the face with his palm, "Stiff Arm!" He calls as Kisame rolls into the water, the water levels still at about waist height before he shakes his head, coughing as blood runs down his face.

It's on us, and I need to get moving for work. Please keep this one alive.

>>16614708
Damn, we lost Deidara again. If we try to help Hanzo and B with Kisame, we'll lose Deidara.

I vote we continue with our sensor lockdown and assist Baki in taking down Deidara.

>>16614708
Keep focusing on Deidara, we need the Mad Bomber stopped. However, I think we're gonna be dealing with Shark Summons soon, so either get a Water Salamander out or a Fire one to deal with it.

So are we going to kill Kisame in this batter, or are we going to let him get away?

>>16614799
We're going to kill him. It might be B or Hanzo that get the final killing blow, but we're here to eliminate two high-ranking members of Akatsuki, and that's what we're going to do.
Above all, we're a professional.

>>16614842
Well, if we're gonna kill him we're gonna get in the killer blow. But do we want to try and fight him? I mean, if we don't kill him - not because we won't but because we can't manage to before he gets free - he's gonna know it was us. What are we gonna do about that?

>>16615126
We don't let that situation come to pass.
We first kill Deidara, and once he's down, it'll be all 4 of us against Kisame. I don't think even he could survive that.
So we don't engage him directly unless there's no question of us killing him. Besides, it's probably more important that we use our lockdown to make sure he doesn't get away.

>>16615198
I know I'm just worried that, with waist-deep, he can summon a shark and just swim out to sea. And did toss away Samehada, and he might just be hiding inside the sword and letting a clone take the fall.

>>16615446
If it looks like he'll escape via the sea route, we can block it off by creating a clone who'll take all 19 exploding tags we have, use our supreme speed to get to the entrance, and collapse it by detonating all the tags at once.

rolled 55 = 55

>>16614799
>>16614842
>>16615126

r...really?
:(

>>16615930
Maybe. I don't want to, but this is a job given to us by a Kage.

>>16614708

We should use all this water to make a massive water dragon attack.

>>16615930
Don't get me wrong. There will probably be tears involved.

But we -are- going to try to finish the job. We always do.

>>16617861
No tears while on-mission.
It'll just...start to rain on our way home.

>>16618707
And by rain you mean- The Satori's coming to rip us a new multiverse of assholes, right?

>>16619007
I have no idea how we're going to defeat him yet.
Maybe get all of the Kage's together in a collective beatdown? Minato's still alive, and so's Hiruzen.

>>16614752
>>16614785

You maintain your focus on Deidara, locking your tracking on him as your allies get up and get ready for the next series of attacks.

Baki puts his hands together and a long blade of wind appears around his arm as he rushes towards Deidara who tries to make a clay clone, but with your guidance he is forced to simply try to block, the wind cutting through his arm, almost to the bone as he stumbles back in pain, throwing a huge snake made out of clay at Baki. Unfortunately, the man's reflexes aren't as good as they needed to be, the words of doom coming from Deidara's lips, "Boom!" Baki is blown clear backwards and hits the wall, leans forward and spits up a huge gout of blood as he rolls onto his side, dazed and pained by his wounds. Deidara sneers as he puts his hands together and creates a huge bird out of clay and calls out, "Kisame-dana, I am getting out of here! Clean up, will you?" He asks as he turns to fly away.

"Where are you going, boy?" Hanzo says as he moves with speed you didn't even think possible. He's in front of Deidara and stabs him in the neck with his kusari gama, however you quickly tell him that the real Deidara is in his bird. Hanzo begins hacking the bird apart.

Kisame sees this and slaps the water, "Summoning Jutsu: Five Hungry Sharks!" He calls and sure enough five sharks of pure chakra and water rise up and rush down Hanzo, lunging at him. Though he's fast enough to break three of them, two get a solid bite and the other three reform.

Killer B sees this and swears loudly as he winds up his arm and calls out, "Check my right hook!!! Sucker!" He says and hits Kisame in the back of the neck, ripping his head off, but dissolving what turned out to be a water clone.

The real Kisame emerges from his Samehada, next to Baki. With a cruel laugh he smashes his sword down on the man's head, cracking it and ending the life of the Sand Jonin without a question.

>>16619910


As this is happening you feel a huge chakra presence coming close, one you recognize as Kakuzu's.

>>16619910
>>16619917
FFFFUUUU!
I liked Baki, too.

Shit, we need to finish this. Do we still have a lock on the real Deidara?

>>16619945
Yes, you clearly see him inside his bird, his chakra is welling up for something big it seems.

>>16619917
Time to get physical ourselves. How much Determination have we accrued op?

I'm thinking spend 1 action to create two water clones, then simultaneously Iron wind Deidara with Steam Saw. This is no time to hold back.

>>16619955
We're at 6 Determination.

>>16619955
Wouldn't it be better to shunshin to him and then cut him up with our sword?

>>16619917
>>16619952

Inform remainder of team of incoming reinforcements, and stop that brat from blowing us to hell.

>>16619968
We're close enough that sunshin shouldn't be a problem. It's an enclosed area after all. We don't have time to conserve chakra. One of these two must be dead before their reinforcements arrive.

>>16619955
>>16619968
>>16619970

Opinion seems to be for getting up in his grille and ending his young life as quickly as possible. Keep in mind the Five Hungry Sharks are in that area too.

>>16619978
My concern is that Iron Wind done by clones won't be as powerful as a single regular attack by us.

>>16619984
The sharks are there but if we spend two chakra on our Iron wind it reaches 7 squares that should be enough breathing space from them for now.

>>16620018
We're attacking too. We have three actions a turn due to speed.

>>16620018
>>16620019

Though if we're worried about iron wind, we can just change the attack into Water Dragon. That may even disrupt the sharks and isn't such a give away.

>>16620025
So wait, are you saying:
1 - Create Clones
2 - Move to Deidara
3 - Attack Deidara while clones fire Iron Wind, activating our buzzsaw on all attacks

>>16620048
If we activate Iron wind we probably wont have to move, but that's the gist of it.

>>16620047
How about this:
1. Create 5 clones
2. Clones fire Water Dragons at sharks, disrupting all 5 while Original moves to Deidara
3. We cut Deidara in half

>>16620065
That works for me too, I'm just not sure that:

1: We will be able to finish it in one strike.
2: We won't get blown to chunks.
3. We won't hit Hanzo with the dragons.

OP can the water dragons hit multiple opponents?

>>16620075
They certainly seem large enough. ATM, no. However, tis something for later consideration with the rules.

>>16620082
Fair enough.

>>16620065
How much Chakra will this cost?

>>16620075
Here,

Ok let's go with the Water dragon plan. Do we plan to activate the saw or have Tomaruha do anything fancy when we hit Deidara?

>>16620099
7 chakra. 6 for clones, 1 for Shunshin, 0 for attack.

>>16620099
6 Chakra, out of a pool of 9.
8, if we turn the buzzsaw on, but it'll become obvious who we are.

>>16620107
Lets do it, then.

>>16620099
5+1 Chakra for clones. Clones have their own Chakra pools thankfully.

So 6 right now I think we're full up on chakra so we'd have 3 left.

>>16620110
>>16620107
Ah, right, forgot the Shunshin.

>>16620107
Alright, let's do it.

Man, I'm bummed that Baki's dead.

Let's do this, hopefullly our clones will last more than a round to help out.

rolled 3, 4, 6, 6, 9, 2, 3, 10 = 43

>>16620117
>>16620121
>>16620128

You slap your palms together, five clones of you rising up from the water beside you and putting their hands together they unleash pinpoint blasts of water dragons to smash apart the sharks, forcing them to be still and reform. As this happens you flash forward with incredible speed, right atop the bird, your blade high in the air as you swing down hard, trying to cleave through the clay to reach the soft artist underneath.

(Rank+Greatsword Skills-1)

rolled 1, 8, 9, 2, 3, 4, 7, 9, 9 = 52

>>16620182
Cleave and Smite!

rolled 2, 2, 3, 7, 10, 9, 4, 2, 7 = 46

>>16620182
Rank (5)+ Greatsword Skill (5) -1

>>16620193
>9 successes
>critical success
Alright, how many defend successes did Deidara get?
Was he rolled 8 dice even after the -2 from our speed?

rolled 9, 4, 6, 5, 9, 4, 3, 6 = 46

>>16620231
He gets no defense and takes 38( (9+5+5)*2 ) damage.

However he still lives.

Deidara gasps and wheezes, at the door of death as he puts his fingers together, the bird squawking loudly as it stomps around and jumps, getting as much reach as it before Deidara says, "I'll see you bastards in hell, hmm? BOOM!"

>>16620273
Can we use substitution to get out of there?

>>16620273
So is the blast going to catch us and the other two?

>>16620273
Delicious C2 Crit! Here comes the pain.

(9 (his Ninjutsu)+5 (Explosive Arts)+ 3 C2 Damage+Chakra input to the technique.)*2. He's been sorta forced to dodge several times, which each cost 1 chakra. Additionally, he used 2 exploding attacks, 1 more chakra, and then made the bird for another 2. So that's 3.

So, it's (9+5+3+3) 40 damage to all parties within blast radius, you and Hanzo and of course himself, but he dead.

>>16620332
Can we blow some Det to do an emergency summon to protect what's left of the team?

>>16620343
We'd have to use a Nindo point to otherwise force a reroll from Deidara, or to guaranteed save us but give us -5 to our dicepools next round.

Alright, so we can either use a point of Nindo to either force a reroll, or guarantee an escape.

Since an offensive critical always steamrolls a defensive one, and given his Ninjutsu is 9, I think it more likely for us to survive if we guarantee our escape.
But the problem is, will Hanzo and B be able to escape as well?

>>16620385
We only have to worry about Hanzo. B's out of range.

>>16620391
Could we burn Determination as well to get Hanzo out of range?

>>16620397

Seconding this question. Any way we can get Hanzo out of the way as well?

>>16620376
-5 sounds bearable, but will Hanzo and/or B be killed by the blast? If so maybe a reroll would be a better idea.

>>16620397
Ya know what? Screw it, we're a man of honor who won't back down and will never betray his teammates?

Spend a Nindo, and tank the blow for Hanzo. We've got the health to take it.

>>16620410
>>16620407
>>16620397
>>16620423
Sure, I'll arbitrarily let you guys blow 3 chakra, 2 Determination, and 1 Nindou to Boss Summon in response. We're at 6 DR right?

>>16620436
Yeah, I think our Determination Resource is still 6, since we didn't activate Extra Effects on our crit attack on Deidara.

Come to think of it, why DIDN'T we activate Extra Effects?

>>16620436
Yeah.

But we're at two chakra.

>>16620447
No one brought it up before "Boom."

>>16620458
>No one brought it up before "Boom."
Ah dammit. We could have killed him without giving him the chance to blow himself up. We need to use Extra Effects next time.

>>16620449
Convert Determination to Chakra!
Roll Rank targeting our Chakra Control stat.

rolled 5, 8, 5, 3, 1 = 22

Here's hoping for a shift of one.

>>16620470
>>16620466

2 Successes. Better than I thought.

rolled 7, 1, 6, 10 = 24

>>16620466
5 -1?

>>16620479
Well OP just said to roll rank this isn't a normal check after all. I didn't think the minus would apply here.

>>16620479
>>16620470
We'll take the better score. Ok, we can drop 2 determination for 1 chakra.

>>16620491
Alright that will put us down 4 determination which we'll regain 3 of at the end of the round right?

>>16620493
That is correct sir.

>>16620493
That being said should we summon the deep one so it can heal the wounded (maybe if we're lucky make it so Baki is only 'mostly dead').

Or the fire one for roasted shark kebabs?

>>16620499
The Fire one would be immune to the fire part of the blast. The water one would take no damage as he's immune to fire, and is there as well. We're fine from the fire part of the damage, but the percussive force would be best absorbed with Mamoro.

>>16620509
Alright, let's go with Mamoro then.
Besides possibly making Baki only 'mostly dead', the curative properties would help put us on par with Kisame's regeneration.

Then Hanzo, B, and Shimaru can concentrate on Kisame before Kakuzu arrives.

>>16620498
Do we need to roll anything for this emergency summon? If so what does our new Summoning skill do as a bonus?

>>16620518

Going with Mamoro as well.

>>16620518
You put your hands together, seeing the explosion coming you call out, "Summoning Jutsu!" The chakra you have isn't enough so you focus and draw into your deeper reserves of chakra, mustering the willpower to call help.

Mamoro explodes forth from the smoke and wraps his body around you and Hanzo, spewing forth more water as he draws up the water in the area as the bird explodes with violent force. The result, Mamoro's flesh gets broken and cracked from the impact, but the water quickly heals him up.

"Kohai?" Kisame asks as his eyes widen, his voice soft as he looks up at the huge Salamander.

>>16620564
Quick, do we say something, or just keep silent as we attack him?

>>16620564
>>16620578

And then Shimaru was Sasuke.

"Senpai... I enjoyed our time together."

Level sword in his direction.

also remember to tell Mamoro if Baki can be saved.

>>16620564
I...I can't watch.

Sorry guys, I'll just go outside, for fresh air..... oh, it looks like its raining...

>>16620585
You could at least add "I am sorry." I think

>>16620578
I think that despite his professional nature, he'd still say something to Kisame here. The cat's out of the bag anyway.

Oh and we should pop a soldier pill like right now.

>>16620600

Here.

"Senpai... I enjoyed our time together."

Level sword in his direction.

"I am sorry."

>>16620585
>>16620600

"Senpai... you're a good and honest man. I'm glad I had the chance to be your friend...

I'm sorry that I couldn't find a better path.

You two. Kakuzu is coming at great speed. I'll leave him to you."

>>16620607
He looks at you, for the first time awestricken to the point of being unable to say anything as he snarls, "KOHAI!!!" He roars, his eyes bulging out of his head almost as he grips Samehada and the blade starts to slither around his body as his chest begins heaving up and down, he rips off his robes and reveals a huge shark-fin growing out of his back as his hair fades away and his fingers straighten into razor sharp claws. "Suiton: Suiro Sameodori no Jutsu!" The water level sharply rises now as soon the entire cave is submerged, water having poured from his skin as he floats in the water and snarls, "Here I come, Kohai!" His tail wags in the water as you sense Kakuzu arriving, two of his chakra signatures separating from himself as he enters the water, his skin black like the night.

Hanzo is holding his breath, B is holding his breath. You are also holding your breath. You can all hold your breath for a number of rounds equal to your Taijutsu score. However, taking damage will cut that number in half of where it currently is.

>>16620626
Can we really afford to fight one-on-one with Kisame?

I think we need to finish him off before Kakuzu arrives.

"Sempai...it was nice knowing you.
"Goodbye."

>>16620640
Do we still have our 5 clones?
Can they take the explosive tags and blow open a hole in order to drain the water?

>>16620640
Mamoru is still around, isn't he?

>>16620640
Pop a soldier pill. Can we use our evaporation technique to lower the water content by a significant amount?

How far off are we determination wise from avatar of the sea?

>>16620654
Your clones can indeed try to make a hole in the wall, However, keep in mind you're in Kisame's water-dome bubble, which means it doesn't drain away, it just maintains around him.

>>16620663
You were at 6, blew 4 and regained 3. You're at 5 now.

>>16620666
May we use Avatar of the Sea to force a limited airbubble around our head?
Anyway, lets Steam-Buzzsaw him.

>>16620666
Alright, we don't have enough DR to use Avatar of the Sea. Let's attack Kisame this round.
What penalties and bonuses apply?

>>16620666
Hmm the clones won't last long against Kisame may as well have them blow their load chakra wise. Have them all water dragon him back wards.

Meanwhile have Mamoro grab B and Hanzo in his mouth and take them out of the water.

That leaves our own actions open however.

>>16620666
Alright, we don't have enough DR to use Avatar of the Sea. Let's attack Kisame this round.
What penalties and bonuses apply?

Also, an idea is to use a coordinated 6-way attack using all of our clones. We could have them use up all of their chakra in super-Water Dragons to keep them from being eaten by Samehada.

>Shimaru and Kisame had a bitter battle at this location to decide the future of the ninja world...

>>16620720
Well let's see. The poison's gone. So that penalty is removed. However, there is a -2 penalty for being in Kisame's water.

>>16620740
So he gets a -2 because of our speed, and we get a -2 because of the water. is that right?

>>16620740
How much would us and all of our clones using withering grasp dent Kisame's lake? Would it be significant enough to risk?

>>16620757
Yep. I believe...it's Hanzo's turn.

Your comrade looks at you and summons Ibuse who quickly swallows Hanzo in his mouth and swims to the back of the cave system where the water-front opening was and starts to ram his head into it. Killa B, meanwhile, looks at you for instructions as he indicates to you that he can electrocute the water, whenever you want it.

>>16620761
It's so negligible I wouldn't waste my time.

>>16620764
If only we had a way of creating a non-conductive barrier, electrifying all of this water would be great.

>>16620778
Can we do a coordinated attack with B using his lightning and the clones water dragons? Like launching him as a torpedo to hit kisame with surprising force and speed?

>>16620784
The steam avatar may be able to do it. But we'll only be able to pull that or the normal avatar off next round.

>>16620795
The electricity is going to fill pretty much the whole bubble and shock everyone and everything inside of it.

>>16620764
Are there any penalties/bonuses related to our Broken/Mended Bond with Kisame?

>>16620822
Neither of you can crit the other, basically it's down to a slug-fest.

>>16620820
Ok lets have our clones attack Kisame with maxed out water dragons while we jump in Mamoro and help hanzo. Pop a soldier pill while inside.

Then B electrocutes the water.

>>16620843
I don't know.
We could have Mamoro take B and go help Hanzo, and have them take out Kakuzu.
Kisame is going to concentrate on us, so we could use this to our advantage.

>>16620843
Your clones fire blasts of water dragons, popping themselves in doing so. However the attacks are effortlessly absorbed by Kisame as he moves to attack.

You climb inside Mamoro's mouth who assists his cousin in smashing down the wall. Before Kisame can move to attack Killa B shoots forward and forces out his massive chakra in a maximized lightning attack.

The energy causes Mamoro to grunt in pain, his body tingling unpleasantly as he is paralyzed by the attack, Kisame is affected similarly. Ibuse continues attacking.

B's attack, however, is interrupted by Kakuzu unleashing a combination Wind/Water attack which knocks your friend into the salamanders, driving the air from his chest. Kisame thanks his comrade and rushes towards you guys.

However, before he reaches, Ibuse smashes through the stone creating a vaccum which pulls everyone through the hole. Ibuse and Hanzo manage to swim to the shoreline, but you, B, and Kisame/Kakuzu are still suspended in Kisame's bubble trap.

>>16620860

"Mamoro. Launch me at Kisame.Then swallow B and make a break for air."

As we're being launched activate Boiling avatar of the sea. And attack Kisame.

>>16620860
Dammit. We should have just done a simultaneous attack on Kisame.

B doesn't have much air left. Have Mamoro get B out of here.

Dammit. We still needed to leave Minato's tag behind, and we need to recover Baki's body.

>>16620876
"As you wish, Master." He says and gulps up B before pressing B down with his tongue and spitting out you.

As you fly through the water you put your hands together to activate your jutsu a figure too fast for you to even detect before its there appears, raises his hands and calls out, "Heavenly Push!" The water, Kisame, you, all the summons, and Kakuzu with his hearts are all blown at least fifty meters away from where you were as Leader raises his eyes and his five guards appear, standing on the water now, Kisame's bubble vanished as he unfuses himself with Samehada.

>>16620889
Wait do we still have the tag?

If so this would qualify as a good reason to call in the Hokage. Tell Mamoro to tell B to summon the Hokage with the tag like we were shown once they're in the open air.

>>16620897
>Leader
What. The. Fuck!

Shit, did those communication ninjas get off a distress signal?
Shit, this is bad. We have to retreat for now. AND Kisame knows about us. AND we'll have to leave Baki's body. This op is now officially all sorts of FUBAR.

>>16620901
Wait, Leaf still has plausible deniability as long as we don't bring in Minato.
Even with him, I don't think we have a good chance of winning this.

>>16620918
Well we could reverse summon everyone to safety by getting in Momoro's mouth (Hanzo in Ibuse's).

Or we can summon the 4th Hokage, and have a knock down drag out fight to the death with the Leader plus Kisame and Kakuzu.

>>16620924
Yeah that was before I read the post where leader showed up.

>>16620939
>>16620928
>>16620924
>>16620918
So what's it gonna be? Fight or flight?

>>16620928
With only us, B, and Hanzo as backup?
Even with the 4th Hokage, I wouldn't give us good odds.

Professionalism time: is our chance of successfully completing the mission too low to continue?

Can we get Baki's body before we reverse-summon out?
We also probably can't return to Hidden Mist unless open war is declared between the Villages and Akatsuki.

>>16620962
Welp, time for a life as a temporary missing nin

>>16620962
You'd be hard pressed to get Baki, considering that Leader and his guards are standing between the cave and you guys.

>>16620962
Retrieve Baki, retreat through our summon.
Should we try reaching our swordsmen?

>>16620991
Still we need Baki or else he might get mind probe'd

>>16620998
>>16621001
Gentlemen, Baki is dead. Kisame crushed his skull.

>>16620991
Damn it, lets leave Baki behind.

>>16621001
Blow up his head with one of our tags before we depart.

Though an important bit of info to consider. Leader stopped the battle by pushing all opponents away from each other. He probably wants to try to talk. That may be an opportunity to exploit.

>>16621005
Yeah, but we really don't want his body identified.

>>16621025
Without excessive detail, he won't be identified, at least by the face.

Samehada weighs about 50 lbs, Kisame can turn rock to powder and did a downward stroke on Baki, I assure you, you're fine in that regard.

>>16621024
Leave the body near unidentifiable? Lets do that, if we can.

>>16621034
Well now that the leader is here we must utilize his one weakness. We must open up a dialog and coax him into a long winded monologue.

>>16621046
This is a joke btw, lets either go down in a blaze of glory or gtfo. But lets do it quick.

Use up all of our explosive tags as we escape?

>>16621034
Explosive tags.
Steam
Water
Everything
We are bolting.

>>16621072
I think we have a couple more.

>>16621060
I vote for popping mist, if possible we plant the tag, GTFO, gather our swordsmen and become awesome missing-nin.

>>16621082
>>16621089
As you get ready to leave Leader raises his hands and speaks, "Do not flee." He demands without room for arguement. "Act, and I will remove you. Fight, and I will end you. Speak, and I will hear you. However, if you are insistent in not only disobeying my teachings, but in undermining them, I will remove your blight from my world."

>inb4 the inevitable fight against the 6 swordsmen after this botched mission

>>16621098
Oh shit...
We're more or less out of chakra, right?
And our determination should be at least 3?

>>16621098
"You really do think yourself a god."

>>16621098
So, uh, talk?
"Your world'? You shackle us, and it is only natural for the shackled to rebel against their chains. Right or wrong, we will rebel."

>>16621127
>>16621126
>>16621127

>"You really do think yourself a god? This is your world'? You shackle us, and it is only natural for the shackled to rebel against their chains. Right or wrong, we will rebel."

"There are always those who claim shadows when there is light. Your comrades the world over have seen my truth. Why do you and your miscreants refuse me? Is it because you fear a man such as myself controlling the world? Or is it truly because the bellicose and vile amongst you fear the removal of the conflict you thrive upon. You are a blade, you must be bent to become a plow."

"If you wish to talk so be it. You have taken your steps to make the villages weak and complacent, and now you begin the work of dismembering them. This is simply the natural reaction."

>>16621141
"They have seen the profits that you bring them. They have seen the wine that you pour them.
They have seen the feasts that you've set before them.
We have seen the shadows that you hide from them.
We have seen the blades you point at them.
We have seen the lies that you promise them."

>>16621141
"No master but the one I choose. No truth but the mission. You have control of the shinobi, soon you will not need the Villages. I choose to remain myself, a blade. You would destroy me either way."

>>16621176
Lets rev up our sword, pop our mist and allow the others to flee while we charge in.

>>16621176
While we're talking I don't think we'll have a way to get to Mamoro. May as well reflexively cancel his summon so he can get B to safety. Hanzo has probably split by now anyway.

>>16621200
If we're going to go out all suicidal like, we've got 19 explosive tags we can set off all at once.

>>16621197
>"No master but the one I choose. No truth but the mission. You have control of the shinobi, soon you will not need the Villages. I choose to remain myself, a blade. You would destroy me either way."

"I am most mournful to hear that is your final decision. I respect you, Shimaru Yamada. You are a man of conviction and beliefs. In a better time you and I could be kindred spirits. However, it is not to be so in this life of yours. I will allow you a moment to make peace with yourself, and then I will execute you." he says calmly as his bodyguards all produce the same black metal rods as before.

>>16621197
>>16621176
Both of these are pretty damn awesome.

A moment to analyze the situation.

Kisame appears winded and is recouperating on the shoreline. Mamoro, with B in his mouth, is waiting on the shore. Ibuse and Hanzo have vanished from sight, but you can detect them lurking beneath the water, waiting for your actions. Kakuzu has retracted his hearts, but is sitting on the shore, watching what is about to come to pass between you and Leader. It seems Leader has ordered his men to stand down. You have friends, summons, and a trump card.

>>16621214
"Hmm a question first. Why did you attack the Hokage's familly? A man who speaks of peace such as you?"

>>16621231
"Hmm a question first. Why did you attack the Hokage's familly? A man who speaks of peace such as you?"

He speaks flatly, "Some pieces need a little more revelation before realizing their place."

>>16621243

So is he referring to the hokage or to his own underlings?

OP to sleep, we will pick this up in a few hours, gentlemen.

>>16621259
Dunno, you tell me.

>>16621243

I say we go ahead and bring in the Hokage. Even if it compromises him politically he has every reason to be here.

>>16621277
Night op.

>>16621290
I don't like bringing Minato into this; it feels like failing the mission even harder. But I can't really see a way out, besides blowing ourselves up so that B can get away when Mamoro gets un-summoned.

Alright, I archived the thread just in case this time.

>>16621478
>>16621290
You reach into your robes and grip the tag, sending out the signal for Minato to appear. Sure enough in a short amount of time a blip of yellow light appears in front of you and Minato materializes.

However, when he does appear his Rasengan is already formed and he moves with his legendary quickness to strike down his target. You.

Roll Rank+Dodge at a -1 penalty due to his superior speed.

rolled 2, 3, 9, 7, 6, 1, 5, 3, 5 = 41

>>16623320
Rank 5 + Shinobi Movement 5 - 1

>>16623320
Alright, does this mean that Minato baited us, and this was a trap meant to kill or capture the Four Winds?
Or is Minato attacking us because he needs to maintain the facade that he is a supporter of Akatsuki?

>>16623396
Very good.

You see it coming, and despite his massive speed and your shock you manage to juke his attack, causing him to look at you with curious eyes, though his eyes, now that you see them, appear dimmer than they used to be. You back up and leap backwards where Hanzo rises up from the waters. "What is happening?" Hanzo demands as Leader steps forward.

"I think it's time to end this little game. Heavenly Pull: Inexorable Force!" You feel it, a strength more than anything you've ever felt, tugging you inwards, towards Leader and his waiting guards, as well as a Minato, hellbent on your destruction. You see Mamoro has been forced to dismiss himself, Killa B laying face-down on the shore, motionless, possibly dead. Yet as the pull happens you feel the tag glowing in your pocket and grab Hanzo, knowing what a summons feels like.

"And you believed that I could really not crack it?" An all to welcome and familiar voice says from around you once you land. Hands quickly run up and down your cloak and pull out the tagged kunai and rip it to pieces before throwing the shreds into a waiting fire. Genpachi is the man standing in front of you. He gives you a weary smile and a hug, "Hello my friend, I see things went just as badly as I feared they could have." You are in a location that you don't recognize, surrounded by people you know but are amazed to see.

Gen is standing in a huge circle with tags written all around it, and sitting in tagged circles around the larger circle is Jiraiya, A, Fuyo, Shikaku, and Aya. All of them have their hands extended, channeling chakra to Gen as he was apparently casting an extremely costly ritual. Gen slumps a bit before walking over to a table and sitting atop it, "I see you noticed things are a little off."

>>16623446
NO! Not Killer B!
I thought that Mamoro could take B with him when he got dismissed, like a reverse summon!

>>16623446
It was a trap wasn't it, all of it. Satori really does have the kages dancing in the palm of his hand.

>>16623467
>>16623480

Gen looks up at you and speaks, "I knew something was wrong a while ago. I was talking to the Mizukage and something seemed off about her...so I talked to Aya and she confirmed it for me." He said with a sigh, "I couldn't crack the Hiraishin Tag's formula, it was just too good. He's a seal maker beyond my level, but I did write a superseding seal atop his, so I would know when he flashed to that one. I figured if he was doing that it would be with aggressive intentions. When he gave you the mission parameters...it just seemed wrong. So I did some asking around and spying on the side, it turns out pretty much all the Kages are just nuts for Leader, so much so that they'll willingly capture and imprison their own soldiers." He says with a sigh, "Your swordsmen are all captured. They're alright, but they're in restraints. This was a set up to dig up and destroy your secret society." He says before rubbing his neck.

>>16623535
"And I said you were getting soft. Tch. B. Honzo. Safe? They also have Baki's body - he must not be desicrated."

"The Kages," Look to Jiraiya then look back to Gen. "Minato did not look like his old self. His eyes."

Sthand. "Where are the Swordsmen?" Summon Tomaru to our hand and clench our bone hand. "They will not be caged for long."

>>16623535
"Looks like I'm the one getting soft.
"Couldn't save Baki, don't know what happened to B.
"They'll expect a breakout of the Swordsmen. Where are they located now?"

"Himitsu. Do you know where she is?"

I'm trying to think: Either Kumogakure or Land of Iron are the only safe places I can think of right now.
Satori has not only the Kage's, but also the Daimyo's in his spell.

Shikaku and Fuyo may still be safe to return to their Villages, but I don't know about Jiraiya. And Gen and Aya took a huge risk to do this for us; it might not be safe for them in Hidden Mist anymore.

>>16623654
Look, I want to free the other Swordsmen as much as you do, but we need to be smart about this. We can't just go charging in; that's what got Baki and B killed.

We break them out now, and they'll be missing-nin just like us. Mei and Minato will still be under Satori's hypnotism. And the resources of the Villages will be turned against us. We need to figure out how to break Satori's genjutsu.

>>16623670
>>16623654
>>16623736

>"Looks like I'm the one getting soft. Couldn't save Baki, don't know what happened to B. They'll expect a breakout of the Swordsmen. Where are they located now?"

Gen is about to speak before Jiraiya speaks, "I talked to Minato a few days ago. He's completely zealous about Leader, refusing to hear anything to the contrary. You were sold out by Kaji, he has been with the Mizukage on visits to meet Leader, and he used the Battlemind with you to plunder your thoughts of the Four Winds." he says before patting your shoulder, "We're lucky that you have a strong mind, he wasn't able to oust Fuyo and Shikaku. I hurried over to the Mist and tried to find you, but I could only find you friend, Mangetsu. He pointed me to Gen, who took myself and his wife to this area." He says and nods to Gen who rubs his forehead, "Your Swordsmen are being imprisoned under the Mizukage's Sanctuary, in the ANBU Interrogation chambers. It would be their deaths if we attacked."

>>16623878
"Aya, your sensei?"

"Misato Hideki? What do you know of him?"

"And is B alright?"

>>16623878
"They have no reason to believe that the other Swordsmen are part of Four Winds, or disloyal to the Mizukage. They won't do anything, for now.
"Does anyone know the jutsu that Leader uses? How it can be broken?"

>>16623927
They will mind control them, like they control Kaji. We need to make sure our friends and allies get out as fast as possible.

And we need to travel to Sand with the body of Baki back to sand.

>>16623878
We need to find a safe place to stay and plot out our next course of actions. We can't mindlessly charge in.

>>16623924
>"Misato Hideki? What do you know of him?"

"Misato is still serving ANBU as High Captain. Because of his unbelievable chakra control and willpower he passed interrogation when questioned about you." Gen says thankfully before looking at his wife who speaks, "Killer B..." She starts before A stands up and stomps the ground, "B will be fine! He's my brother!! I know he's alive! Damnit..." he says with a pained grimace, "I know he's alive." He says, his large hands squeezing tightly, "Shimaru Yamada, I will never forgive you for killing all of my family......never....So for your sake, you better hope that he's alive."

>>16623956
Actually, we don't have Baki's body, and it sounds like the Kazekage is also under Satori's control. We were only able to rescue Hanzo; hopefully B is still alive, and able to escape.

I, too, would like to get the Swordsmen out before they're also mind-controlled, but how do we know it hasn't been done already?

>>16623977
"I will find him, A."

"Good, I knew he was strong. Genpachi, who else needs to leave Mist? And can we contact Misato? We must release the Seven."

"And we must find Himitsu. Those that can not return to their village must go underground." I'm suggesting we go to minor villages first. Maybe cloud, but I really think that would be a -bad- idea.

>>16624048
>"And we must find Himitsu. Those that can not return to their village must go underground."

Gen looks puzzled before Aya speaks, "Himitsu left the Mist a few hours after you did. We don't know where she is, but we know she's not in Kiri." She explains as Jiraiya nods, "So, we need a plan. Hanzo-dono." he says as the man beside you nods, "Can the Rain shelter us for a little while as we get a plan of action?" His old foe nods, "Of course, Jiraiya-san, my village is open to friends of the real shinobi way. We will enter in secret, and hide in the piping of the city. No one will find us there."

>>16624093
Ok, lets go. I think we need to get the Seven, though. We can't leave them. No one left behind, remember?

>>16624213
True, but how would we pull it off? The place must be crawling with Akatsuki guards after the stunt we pulled.

>>16624311
We still have a friend in the ANBU Captain, it wouldn't be -too- hard to get him to do 'prisioner transfer' and we just sneak in, get the Seven out, and leave quickly and quietly.

Maybe have Gen do that person-summoning Jutsu?

>>16624343
But if we do that, then he'll get burned. He'll likely be put under suspicion at best, and have his mind worked on at worst.
A plan that uses him in a more passive role would be better. Maybe we can use our notoriety to our advantage, like what we did back when we needed to enter Iwagakure when it was sieged by Cloud-nin.

I think trying to slip in is a lot more likely to succeed than an attack. We have ANBU gear, so that should help get us closer. We can have the other members of The Four Winds provide a distraction, just enough to draw attention away, we don't need more people dying. An unmasked clone of Shimaru could draw away the guards immediately around the 7, then we need some kind of support from Hideki to release them. If we don't want him to directly endanger himself, we can try and get 'Keys' to their seals from him beforehand. I hope we'll be able to use Summons to escape, perhaps 2 giant summons will be able to pull 8 people with them when dismissed, I'm not sure, but however much it takes, Gendo can help us there. Hanzo and Jiraiya can use the same tactic to get the others out as well.

>>16624343
>>16624482
>>16624708

In case it has slipped your mind, gentlemen, I long ago mentioned seige warfare. Well, that time has come.

The Mist, from what Aya informs you, with Gen's support, is on total blackout and lockdown. Mei has issued KOS orders on all people who enter or approach the village within 100 meters. ANBU and Akatsuki Agents are swarming through the streets and Dawn Bringers will unquestionably be either there or in transit.

This battle will be extremely difficult. The quest may end here.

Mei and Minato are going to be actively here, Gen surmises, as well as Leader perhaps, they seem to be anticipating a prison break for your comrades, the Swordsmen.

>>16624761
Does Aya know any underground passages or what not? And do we have any way of contacting Hideki before we get there?

And I think our Nindo is spazzing at us at the moment.

>>16624761
Dammit, we don't leave team members behind, but we're also professional enough to admit an impossible situation when we see it.

>>16624798
>>16624795
Any underground passages she knows Black Ops knows very well too, and will have inevitably covered with traps or men, or both.

You have one advantage the Mist doesn't. You have some heavy duty firepower that you can bring to bear, if you are able to capitalize on it intelligently.

I'll leave you with a summary of your assets.

1) High level summoners. Yourself, Jiraiya, Hanzo, and Fuyo all have a huge repertoire of summons that you can bring as heavy engines to break through a stalemate.

2) You have a lot of powerful ninjutsu that can cover wide areas which kills fodder.

3) You have a lot of potential for high speed movement, be it through Shunshin, reverse summoning, and Gen's shenanigans as your Tactician.

4) You have fucking Genpachi, the shinobi swiss army knife.

5) You have the advantage of determining the point of attack and the method thereof forcing the fight on your terms.

However, despite this, I'd give you guys 30-70 odds. You'll need a lot of good planning and discussion to make a coherent battle plan. And with that food for thought, OP goes to work. Have fun, I'll be monitoring this thread.

>>16624708
>>16624482
>>16624343
In time suspicion of the swordsmen will lessen. We didn't include them directly in any of our Four-Winds dealings, they don't know anything that may be of use.

>>16624840
I don't want to leave the Swordsmen behind, but it all feels too risky. They know we're coming, and Minato, Mei, and Leader are going to be here.
Even if we come up with a plan, there's just so much that could go wrong.

Going somewhere they aren't expecting seems the smarter course of action. If Kushina is still of her own mind (and Shikaku or Jiraiya should be able to tell us) then she would probably want to free Minato's. The Power of Love and a little impetus might be what it takes. Figuring out how to break Satori's control would be nice, and getting Minato back great. Plus, Kushina herself is a Seal Master, can't have to many of those around.

>>16625113
We should definitely ask Jiraiya and Shikaku who among the Leaf are still free of Akatsuki's control.
Also, we should mention what Minato said about Itachi. It could indicate another crisis that Akatsuki is going to create, so that it can get rid of more people that are threats to it.

As for whether to bust the Seven Swordsmen out, I'm still conflicted. I can think of a couple different plans, but in the face of 2 Kage's, and Satori, they all just fall apart.
I mean, can we use one of our little salamanders as a space-time beacon to summon ourselves to it, and then use it to reverse-summon away?

>>16624853
It also increases the chance of the swordsmen being brainwashed or given to Orochimaru to do whatever he wants. Especially if what Gen said about the kage's giving up shinobi to keep the leader happy. Yuki might just land in his hands.

Although it'll be dangerous as hell, I don't know if we can afford to leave the swordsmen. The thought of being on the other end of that team based mist attack we worked on isn't pleasant.

>>16626869
Right, but we need a bulletproof plan if we're going to rescue them. Even then the odds are pretty stacked against us.
I think, if we do this, we'll need to avoid conflict as much as we can, and use the summons as distractions or as GTFO options. What makes this even harder is that they're expecting us to attempt this.

>>16627048

We should also get input from the others around us. They are pretty experienced after all.

>>16630021
Gen and Aya lay out what they noticed from the village's defenses before leaving. They had small three-man cells of two ninjutsu specialists and a Taijutsu specialist to defend the cell. Additionally they had roving bands of Genjutsu and Seal experts to restrain and neutralize threats as the combat-cells would move to respond. Finally, a vast sensor network covers the village, every since person linked by Kaji's Battlemind.

Shikaku shakes his head, "Jeez...this is a nightmare of strategy." he says as he looks, "Does Kaji's elimination remove the Battlenet, because's that's the biggest thorn in our side." he observes.

>>16630112
"If its on this large a scale it should. He normally acts as a hub to relay the information. He can make a closed network though."

>>16630112
It might help. Satori's mind-manipulation and Kaji's Battlenet aren't genjutsu. Kaji's removal will leave them uncoordinated, but still under Satori's control.

>>16630112
>>16630238

If he is acting as a hub could we piggyback a genjutsu technique through one of his agents back to him?

>>16630267
We could set up Hideki to do it during the raid. He'd only have a limited timeframe to do it in, though.

>>16630352
>>16630267
That's a great idea. Yeah, that would work.

>>16630492
Ok, let's put that plan out there and focus on how we want to go about getting in contact with the ANBU captain.

Getting a Genjutsu through the Battlemind to infect everyone in the network seems a good starting strategy, so we should look for an outlying singular individual we could do this on early in our assault.

I think it's fair to say that we can't all go rescue the Swordsmen. We should split into two tams, one team brings the noise, the other sneaks in. I would suggest those with the big summons, Fuyo, Hanzo and Jiraya to head this up, alongside Genpachi, who would be aiming to use his larger-sealed Jutsu to catch enemy opponents into crossfires.

We would be expected in this assault, so our lack of presence there would be conspicious...so, we shall be there, after a fashion. We will summon our 'boss' ahead of time, yet leave either a water-clone there to stand atop of him and dodge fire while we ourselves go with a second team to rescue the swordsmen, or otherwise have a member of our teamed disguised as us- I would go with the latter and choose Aya, as we absolutely NEED that battlemind to be shut down before the rescue team can move at all, otherwise as soon as we run into an enemy ninja, we're discovered regardless of whether we take him out before he notices us.

The rescue team will consist of ourselves, A, and Shikaku- A because we'll need his speed, us for raw power and Shikaku due to his shadow techniques- though it may be possible or even advisable to switch Aya and Shikaku around in the formation here, depending. However, as an ANBU Captain, he will have been trained in the use of ANBU cloaks, and it is these we shall be using as we advance to keep a low profile (along with any relevant shadow techniques Shikaku might be able to provide). We don't move until we have signal that the battlemind is disrupted though, and we should move in from a separate direction away from our diversion.

>>16630652

That's all I've thought of so far. Naturally, we need more, such as evaluating what we can expect to be tight around the perimeter of the cells, other aid we can call on, and so forth.

Lets not go until we have everything ironed out and contingencies in place.

>>16630656
If we can get to Hideki he could tell us about the ANBU set up. I'd say he' the key to a successful operation here.

>>16630656
>>16630652
Next order of business is WHEN we attack. During the day, the village is absolutely swarming with movement. So we're left with two choices: dusk, or dawn. I would say dawn simply for the nostalgia factor, but it depends upon the preferences of the shinobi we're working with. Ask everyone when they think they would be most effective, get individual responses from as many people as possible.

>>16630652
Okay, forcing the genjutsu to infect the Battlemind like a mimetic virus is a good start.
Even with Fuyo, Hanzo, and Jiraiya, as well as whatever souped up version of Metal Storm that Gen has created during the timeskip, they still need a good escape plan for when Mei, Minato, and Satori arrive.
Come to think of it, we need the same for getting the Swordsmen out as soon as we get to them.

How difficult/long does it take to do a reverse summon? And can Genpachi create a tag that will let us do that?

>>16631099

If I recall, we managed to summon Gen to Salamander Land with us that one time...and considering we'll be in one team and Hanzo in the other, I think Salamander Land would be a wonderful place to reverse-summon out to and regroup.

>>16631341
I wonder if Gen could put that into a seal, for a faster un-summon.
Given who we're going up against, they won't have time to do any hand seals, if at all.

>>16631341
Okay, so we need to know the limits of reverse-summoning, how many people we can take, and how long it takes to do it. We'll be fighting 2 Kage's at minimum, probably Satori as well, and the entire expanded ANBU of Kirigakure.

Also, I remember that we can summon small salamanders on a more-or-less permanent basis, and that we can use them as recon. They're small, and I don't think they have a negligible chakra signature, so they could infiltrate the Village and the ANBU HQ and give us the recon information we need before planning this operation any further. We need OP to confirm that first, of course.

>>16630811
Dawn would be nice and nostalgic, but I think 'The Dusk Bringer' coming in at dusk would be nice and atomspheric.

And I do think that, if we can pull it off with minimal time or death, finding B and maybe using Minato's family agasint him?

>>16633649
I agree with finding B, but I don't know about going after Minato's family. They'll be under close surveillance, and we don't know if Kushina has been mind-controlled like Minato or not.

Also, since the opponent is expecting us to attempt to free the Swordsmen, won't it be likely they'd be expecting a distraction and a secondary team?

Also, I think we need an answer as to whether we can use the small salamanders to summon to, and reverse-summon from.

Summons that reverse summon need to be Guardian class at minimum.

>>16634335
So was Mamoro actually banished or something, and that's why he couldn't take B with him?

Also, what about sending small salamanders out to scope out the defenses? Are they, like the kikaichu, able to scout an area then come back and tell us what's going on, while remaining undetected because of their extremely small chakra signature?

Bump

Alright, anybody else have modifications or additions to make to the plan?
Are we really going ahead with this?
Even with a good plan, we only have 30% chance of success.

>>16640545
Our swordsmen, our mistakes, our responsibilty.

Considering that the enemy is expecting us to attempt to break the other Swordsmen out of prison, do we have a contingency plan for if the distraction team is forced to pull out? What about if the enemy doesn't take the bait?

>>16634335
Okay, so in order to reverse-summon, it needs to be Guardian-class. Still doable, since it doesn't require a point of Nindo. How many people can it reverse-summon, and how long does it take?

Also, how long can we maintain a Guardian summon?

Can we do the salamander scouting without getting detected?
Or rather, perhaps we should plan on the salamanders getting detected.

Also, what can the genjutsu that we implant into Kaji's battlemind do? Can we freeze everyone? Or make them see illusions of us attacking ANBU? And if one person breaks the genjutsu, would it break it for everyone?