Does anyone thing one of the shoggoths sealed away might behave like one of the ELS (Gundam 00) instead of like an Angel?

So now we have an Angel core and we might be able to get a crossover-ified Lance of Longinus.

I'm thinking if we keep the lance, we could mass produce lesser versions of it to kill SUEs and demons/Chaos with.

We could also plant the Angel core/S2 organ in the Heavy to make him even more powerful when ubercharged.

So we wanted the three scientists from Schlock mercenary right?

I haven't been following the planning thrads at all, but here are my two hero suggestions.

1. Gene from Godhand. can go invincible for a short time, large veriaty of moves, fucks demon's shit up.

2. A Gundam X piloted by some random no-name newtype pilot who can use G-Bits. See if we can't install some kind of Microwave Station on one of the ships so we can use the Satellite Cannon.

>>17456853
Well, 2.
Gav, we want as a team of engineers.
Kevyn Andreysan we can secretly monkey around with the Gate controls in order to creat another Gate-copy of him that we can recruit.
Triniko specifically said he didn't want to do anything dangerous, and becoming one of our scientists may qualify.

>>17458137
1. a melee character with admittedly powerful hand-to-hand attacks, but doesn't really fit in with our operational methods.
2. That's a Vehicle Requisition, not a Hero Requisition. And not really necessary as an R-Type would have comparable firepower, and higher-performing Gundams can be acquired or fabricated.

>>17458226
>>comparable firepower

I still stand on the argument and canon statement (plus calculations) on R-Type wave cannon yields.

>>17458137
1. Nope
2. Nope

>>17458226
I'll give you two, which was mostly just thrown in there because I like the suit.

But seeing as we're eventually going to be up against Chaos Demons, I'd think someone like Gene would be useful. Especially since after the game both of his hands are now God Hands.

>>17456343
>No, we are not getting Giles or Zero.

am I missing something? I've only just started reading the quest on sup/tg/ (at Rivendell, currently) when I saw this thread (first actual one I've seen, actually). Did OP come down specifically and say 'you can't have these guys'? And which Zero are you talking about? That's a stupid number of them in the Meta.

>>17458370
No. Not MetaOP.
One person just doesn't want Giles and Zero.

How does acquiring the Chaos Emeralds, S2 Engine, and Lance of Longinus from Antartica change our research plans?

I think making mass-produced infantry-scale and mech-scale lances is necessary for the endgame.

What if, we graft the S2 engine into the BLU Heavy?

>>17458387
>>one person

is not equal to three or four other people arguing no because of long-term canon integrity in several different places.

>>17458399
>Chaos Emeralds.
Wait, when did we get those?

>>17458387

Oh, right then. Has OP actually stepped in and denied us anyone, outside of the 'they have to be dead in their canon'?

So...we likely to get Mechagodzilla back any time soon?

>>17458437
They don't have to be dead. Crowe, for example, is still alive.

>>17458409
Hey, it could just be one schizophrenic anon. On both sides of the argument.

>>17458421
The other sealed shoggoths have crystals in them, and these are puportedly Elder Thing experiments on manipulating space and time.

The Chaos Emeralds have space-time manipulation powers.

Trivia: Chaos from Sonic Adventure fits the bill. He has a shoggoth form with a chaos emerald inside him.

>>17458409
>long-term canon integrity
How do you mean? Also: if somebody could clear up WHICH Zero it is, because it's hardly an uncommon name in fiction. Are we talking Lelouch?

>>17458474
I know who Chaos is (SA1 is my favorite 3D sonic game), Just didn't know about the crystals.

>>17458489
Zero from Megaman X or Megaman Zero

>>17458465
Crowe? Doesn't ring any bells. Did he get recruited after tokyo? I may have skimmed the recruit list at that point.

Also: when are we likely to get Mechagodzilla back?

>>17458523
Crowe is a main character from Super Robot Wars Z2. He's appeared during Tokyo I think?

>>17458523
Crowe is the pilot of the Brasta from Super Robot Wars Z2.1.

He's also in massive debt, which is what allowed us to hire him.

>>17458505
Oh, right.

What's the problem with him?

>>17458540
Oh yeah, I think I read his name once or twice. I was kinda distracted by OMFG MECHAGODZILLA.

wouldn't we need to send him back at some point?

>>17458598
There's supposed to be a time-skip between Z2.1 and Z2.2, since most of the shows involved have one, So nothing's stopping him from taking a few jobs on the side.

>>17458635
Oh, right. Wouldn't we want to make sure he doesn't remember the Meta, too? what if he dies before we send him back?

Some suggestions were also made for requisitioning a magic-research person or persons.

One suggestion that seemed to interest people were the three sages/gurus from Chrono Trigger (Gaspar, Melchior, and Belthasar). In addition, each of them were highly-respected masters of their respective fields. In addition, they lived in the highly-developed magical kingdom of Zeal, which means that they no doubt have magical ability or otherwise use liberal amounts of magic in their fields. Together they seem to be capable of constructing crazy magitech devices (Belthasar alone constructed a time machine).

One problem that could occur with this requisition choice is that the Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross canon was pretty complicated without any external interference. However, another poster mentioned that, at the sages' most current point in time, they are likely to not be doing much of anything.

>>17458662
Seeing as how the events of the SRW Z and Z2 revolve heavily around the STOB, I doubt it.

>>17458675

There were 3-4 instances of STOB detonations in SRW Z.

>>17458671
I'm not familiar with them...but they might work, right?

What was Giles supposed to be a recruit for, anyway (it's buffyverse Giles, right? I can't think of any other Giles off the top of my head)? The magic research job, too? Or just as the token British person?

We could recruit Shuu Shirakawa from after the point he's gotten a botched ressurection in SRW EX. Since Triniko would probably be unrecruitable....

>>17458717
Magic Research. He dies in-Canon, so he would be up for a body-switch like we did with Pellaeon.
He has knowledge of various magic systems of Earth, and is an experienced researcher.

>>17458671
The Three Gurus would be a powerful research/engineering team if they were brought together, however they would have to be individually recruited resulting in 3 Hero Requisitions being needed to get them.

>No, we are not getting Giles or Zero.
The Aurors should be decent at magical research - they're professors at Hogwarts, it's their job! Giles isn't bad, it's just that he's redundant.
As for Zero, he's not as strong as you'd think, and he's a bit of a ... wildcard.

>We could also plant the Angel core/S2 organ in the Heavy to make him even more powerful when ubercharged.
I'm thinking this is both a horrible and an amazing idea at the same time and am both curious and terrified.

>One suggestion that seemed to interest people were the three sages/gurus from Chrono Trigger (Gaspar, Melchior, and Belthasar). In addition, each of them were highly-respected masters of their respective fields. In addition, they lived in the highly-developed magical kingdom of Zeal, which means that they no doubt have magical ability or otherwise use liberal amounts of magic in their fields. Together they seem to be capable of constructing crazy magitech devices (Belthasar alone constructed a time machine).
Very useful, but if it's expensive then we could avoid it.

There's many things we could potentially get; the earlier threads had some lists.

>>17458759
Yeah, Giles sounds pretty good, but so do the Gurus. Maybe we should get giles first, and then the gurus later, all at once?

>>17458759
Shuu carries a combined Magic + Tech research + engineering ability, iirc.

The events of SRW EX apply to the SRW OG timeline and for SRW 1-4/F/F-Final timeline, so it's all cool.

>>17456343
Actually, we are getting Giles, and Zero should never have been suggested.

>>17458868
I haven't seen Giles do anything too amazing. Citation needed please.

>>17458800
>The Aurors should be decent at magical research - they're professors at Hogwarts, it's their job! Giles isn't bad, it's just that he's redundant.
But wouldn't having a researcher on the ship free up the aurors for other duties?
>As for Zero, he's not as strong as you'd think, and he's a bit of a ... wildcard.
A wildcard? What do you mean by that?

>There's many things we could potentially get; the earlier threads had some lists.

Can somebody post the list here? I'd look back through the threads, but I don't want to spoil the quest itself that much till I've caught up.

>>17458800
MetaOp said that if we aquire Zero, he'll know ALL the abilities from his games. Probably even Ittou Ryoudan: Genmurei. He can even stop his enemies in time for short periods.

Before you say he'd be worthless, take a look at http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Zero%27s_weaponry#Command_Arts

>>17458817
We were concerned with Shuu. Not as bad as the Nova suggestion, but we need to stick with stability.

>>17458904
For reference, have you read any of the post-TV seasons?

Mech:
Von Luckner tanks.
ACS suits as upgrade to MI, possibly additional squad or trade-in of prawn suits.
NOD AT-5 Stealth Tanks.
Replacement/Additional VF-25s, plus VB-6s.
Slammerverse Hovertank.
MORE MECHS: DISCUSS AS REQUISITION BECOMES AVAILABLE

Infantry:
More White Mages
Upgrades. Better armor, more stealth, possibly other gear. Generally agreed on, but little detail settled. Suggestion of Naruni stealth armor and forcefields. Mass Effect has nice gear as well.
Engineers and/or Gavs.
Techno-Wizards (spell casting, research, 'bridging technology and magic'), Rifts Earth.
Warcraft 3 Paladins at level 6 or above, has an area rez of some sort.
Drones
TG Recruits
Troop Replenishment
SIR unit - http://zim.wikia.com/wiki/SIR_Unit (possibly equipment)

Ships and ship upgrades:
Neo Gotengo 'class' ship.
Macross Quarter (possibly with discount on VF-25s and VB-6s)
Additional Al'kesh craft.
Shields for those without, weapon upgrades, Engineering upgrades.
Fabbers, or fabber upgrades to Creation Engine.
Incursion tech for faking out locals.
Industrial Replicator and Transporter
More Dropships and Shuttles
Cloaking Device for Super Star Destroyer Executor class

>>17458868
>Zero should never have been suggested
Why not? He doesn't seem to be that unsuitable for our mission profile.

Hero suggestions:
Rupert Giles, from the Buffyverse. (List maker suggests including a library of reference material with that)
Dr. Todd 'Lazarus' Lazkowicz and/or a copy of his Magic Cryokit's EMH, Schlockverse.
The Mentor, from 'Orcs Must Die!' and a blue outfit for him
Agrias Oaks and Mustadio, Final Fantasy Tactics.
Zero (Megaman universe)
Nikola Tesla and Carl Sagan (Atomic Robo)

Tech/item interests:
Economizers and/or Ethers and means to make them.
Mobile Emitters for Federation and Schlock EMHs (possibly both sets of data in one)
PROXY - starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Proxy
Nethack Holy water and book of Identify
Aura items from Warcraft Universe (10% to all damage and 10% to ranged)
Staff of Negation
More Nannybags
Alpha Centuri tech such as University Lasers - MAY NEED TO GO IN TROOPS

>>17458952
At the end of SRW EX, Masaki disappears from record for a long while (ACE:R).

Conveniently this is an ideal window to snatch Shuu.

The other Shuu we can snatch is the one that dies for good at the end of SRW Alpha Gaiden.

>>17458952
>>post-TV seasons

Can you give us a concise descrption of Giles from that time on?

>>17458967
Because he is central to the canons of three different gamelines all within the same timeline, all of which are prone to being randomly continued by Capcom. With possible influences on the much later timeline as well.
He is way too central to consider grabbing.

>>17458950
Oh. Oh, wow. That's a long list of stuff.

I mean, how many different elemental attacks are there to choose from, for starters?

>>17458968
>>17458956
This list is missing:
Enchanter Team - Magical research and fabrication, needed for Aglaophotis-B research and the manufacture of magical items
Magical Lab - needed for research, and can be used for magical manufacturing
Alchemical Lab and Botany Bay - needed for the creation of Ethers, Elixirs, and other magical potions. White Mages all have pre-requisite Chemist training, so can be tasked to work here during downtime. Can also be used to grow certain magical herbs and plants needed in production of magical potions.

>>17458956

We aren't trading in the prawn suits anymore, remember? The prawn suits were able to kill an Angel last thread in Antarctica when everything else bounced off the AT-field.

They might not look much but the prawn suits have two exotic weapons: Arc Guns and the TK field

>>17459003
Wait, which ones do you mean? X series leads into Zero series, so I know that we can't get him from there, but he died at the end of Zero 4. I thought that was the end of the series.

>>17459003
X timeline - don't need to worry about that, too early in timeline.
Zero timeline- HE DIES AT THE END OF IT
ZX timeline - The biometals are either made from the soul of of reploids, or a close copy.

If Zero were to die, we'd just need to bring his cyberelf back to his canon. Otherwise, we put him back on the space station that's crashing.

>>17459024
This thing is made up of about 4 other ones and it takes an hour to update. I just reposted the one from the last recruitment thread.

>>17459032
>If Zero were to die, we'd just need to bring his cyberelf back to his canon.

Wait...couldn't we just make him another body if that happened? X was able to stick around for like a year till he ran out of juice and went to Robot Heaven. Granted, if he *had* to be sent back, it would indeed be quite easy to do.

>>17458987
His special effects budget is higher, we see using magic more and exploding an enemy mage with creative spell use.
The big thing we are want him for is magical research, he's shown a knack for studying and researching many diverse magical and demonic traditions to support efforts to deal with supernatural threats.
He is the epitome of 'heroic researcher' in his ability to find the right information and craft the right spells and charms. The comics show a bit more of his skill at rolling baddies with that knowledge, but that's more icing on the cake for want we need him for.
The various glimpses of his time as 'Ripper' in his youth and serving as magical vessels shows a lot of his potential as well, but as seen in other instances his sheer knowledge exceeds his personal ability, extending into in magics that aren't even cast-able by man.

>>17458950
>>17459171
You know, when I came into this thread, the first thing I saw was >No, we are not getting Giles or Zero.

But seeing what they can actually do, now I really want to recruit both of them. Was OP going for reverse psychology?

>>17459032
>>17459086
His soul/elf is eventually made into the biometal.
And saying 'Zero dies' at _any_ point isn't set in stone, he's died repeatedly, the last Zero series game doesn't even outright say he dies, just suggested thet he wouldn't survive and shows a helmet in the end scroll, hardly his most definitive death. But as you your self noted, his soul may be in the biometal, so there is no way in hell we can take him.

On top of that, there are hints of him all the way into Legends, and the creator of Zero still wants to make Legends 3.

>>17459191
OP of this thread is the only one I've ever seen steadfastly disagree with Giles, we'd all agreed on him a couple threads back.
Zero, while awesome, just doesn't seem canonly feasible.

>>17459024
X, Zero, ZX, and he gets mentioned in Legends.

Zero may be worth considering if we need another slice-and-dice frontliner hero. But right now, we seem to be doing alright on that front. We even have one of our own "home-grown" heroes for that purpose, Darius. That KI with the Voiceless Spear may also become a hero once he gets dice rolls that don't bite him in the ass.

What we need to focus on right now are the areas that we are explicitly lacking any sort of hero or troop type for: engineering, magical research, etc. I'm not saying we should totally discount Zero, but until we need another swordsman (which we do not right now), we should cease discussing his viability until the time comes.

>>17459253
And that's the more pragmatic reason, we don't actually need Zero right now, whether we can or not.
Medical, Engineering, and Science is the top of out requisitions at the moment.

Would SPARTAN's from the Halo universe be something to consider?

>>17459196
>>17459251
He gets mentioned in Legends? Where?

>>17459253
>>17459269
OK, I can get behind that logic. Giles it is!

>>17459293
Their armor is good, but the soldiers themselves are all very rare and expensive.

>>17459224
That's also why several threads ago MetaOp said that due to the "All abilities thing" he's currently way above our requisitions. I would like to get him, but WE CAN'T CURRENTLY AFFORD HIM and we may see him in another universe where we can recruit him directly. Maybe a Megaman cross-over event?

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17229803/#17238261

>>17459293
>>17459298
http://www.halopedian.com/SPARTAN-III_Program

Would these do? Over 600 potential recruits!

>>17459293
We can either buy or fabricate better armor, and as for the soldiers themselves, Resource Points would be better spent on buying nano-, bio-, and magical augments for our current infantry that would make them just as good, if not better, than a SPARTAN.

>>17459293
>>17459298
We considered acquiring the details of the procedure and applying Federation/Schlock medical tech to make it safer. Original process had pretty harsh failure rate. Something around a 60% death or physically disabled. Still retained the mental enhancement through, living failures went on to Intelligence analysis and high-end sciences.

Maybe we should draw up a list of specific roles, both combat and non-combat, that we want heroes to fill.

Lesee:
Commander: Guess.
Ground Commander: Starlord
Magic/tech research: egon
Magic researcher:
Science Researcher:
Internal i.e. Shipboard security (you never know, we could get boarded):
Drill Instructor (got to train the troops when not in the field somehow):
Chief Engineer (probably also Scientific researcher):
Diplomat?:

Anyone have ideas for who to fill these roles: are some of these unnecessary? any that should be added?

There was some interest expressed in the last thread in recruiting some P4 characters. If we pursue this, keep in mind that we don't know what's in their contracts, but they're likely to include at least the "see what they see" clause.
If the goal is just to get a persona-using hero unit, I think it's mentioned a couple times in P3 that Aigis isn't the only persona-using robot, just the last surviving model. Any of her sisters that we recruit could be switched off whenever we do anything security-critical, and they'd be a good starting point to reverse-engineer and retrofit personas on all our other robots.

>>17459409
I believe the Spartan-III program itself got to 100% success rate by the time they got round to Gamma Company. We probably don't want the brain mods they added at that stage, though.

>>17459481

We don't need the Spartan program. The Schlock scientist we want can do better than that by far.

Rockman timeline:
Classic, X, ZX, Legends, and if the world reset goes as some people have theorized, then the EXE series follows that.

>>17459471
If we can, we should totally get postgame Brotaganist.

Although one of Aigis' sisters is certainly another possibility.

>ctrl-f Kayneth
>ctrl-f Fast Wheels

My vote is for Kayneth "Fast Wheels"

>>17459492
The mind and reaction time enchancements are better, but I believe the schlock guy could take that research and apply it more effectively.

>>17459500
Not necessarily, Legends can take place after multiple points in the timeline.

X's alternate timeline (after 5) goes to Legends as well as the main storyline. It's just a question of how quickly it happens.

>>17459529
What's he from? What's his mission profile?

>>17459544
He's a mage from Fate/Zero.

My vote is "Hell No"

>>17459492
Like explosive feces!
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2001-07-19

>>17459542

All roads lead to Legends?

Anyway, anyone think that this idea >>17459456 has ny merit?

Here's some other proposals for Engineer and Magical Researcher.

Engineer: Karl Sonntag (Or is that Carl Soontag?), from Mechwarrior 4: Vengeance.

While MW4 was pretty disappointing in terms of game mechanics, Karl seemed to be a very competent technician and engineer. With his team of technicians, he was able to repair 'mechs within a reasonable timeframe from various damaged states, refit and reprogram IS mechs to use clan weaponry in a snap, and scrounge and salvage enough components to repair 'mechs of all sizes and shapes (he was only supplied by whatever Ian Dresari's resistance force was able to plunder, which may be a mark in his favor as far as efficiency goes). After the events of MW4: Black Knight, he doesn't seem to be doing much of anything.

However, he seems to be rather judgmental for an engineer/technician. If we get to a point where we really do need to do evil or morally questionable stuff to enforce canon, he may refuse to work for us.


Magical Researcher: Psoron, from the Valkyrie Profile series (VP2).

While his role in VP2 is a combat sorcerer, his true profession is that of a magical researcher. His work on two very basic offensive and defensive spells were used as the foundation for entire schools of magic in the mortal world in his canon. In addition to being a minor character, his revival from Einherjar to a mortal being occurred waaay ahead of his first mortal life. Thus, it may be easy to recruit him and not mess with the canon much, as he was first introduced after he already made his mark on history.

There are potential downsides, though. First off, we cannot know if Psoron was actually encountered and revived in canon; all the Einherjar you recruit in VP2 are randomly generated. Secondly, while his work had a huge impact on his world's use of magic, this does not necessarily mean that he will be all that great in comparison to the other choices we have.

>>17459456
Data makes a decent Engineer and Science researcher.
Diplomat: We don't have one as of yet, though Darius and the BLU Spy have done fairly well.
Magic Researcher: should also be a magical Manufacturer as well, for enchanting our gear. Someone suggested the Sages from Chrono Trigger? They'll probably be our best bet.
Drill instructor: the X-commies of course.

In other news: Where's Metaquest op? He should be here by now.

Magic researcher: Aoko Aozaki

She's the most powerful mage in existence.

>>17459624
Seems well thought out. I still prefer the suggestion of the guys that can both research, and manufacture items.
We already have Aurors for some magic research, and we'll be getting Gavs and/or X-com engineers for manufacturing.
As for an engineering hero, isn't Data basically that? Or are we looking for someone who can Hax together a solution out of spare parts?

>>17459660
Spare parts? You called?

>>17459650

yeah...might be out of our price range, slightly, if that's the case.

>>17459629
Magic manufacturing we're bringing the techno-wizards in for.

>>17459629
Did you know that Fallout New Vegas has a bug where you simply cannot gain karma no matter what you do? And that once it strikes, there's nothing you can do but reload an earlier save? And that if your last save was about 23 game hours ago because you weren't paying attention to karma, you're essentially screwed, and no matter of trying fixes and reading FAQs will help?

Because I know that now. Game will be starting shortly.

>>17459674
I'm trying to think of someone multi-purpose.
Right now, we could use some of the following:
Medic or Medicinal dude
Magical item manufacturer, to farm Ethers and enchant our gear
Engineer - to upgrade and repair ships, mechs, armor, and possibly hax solutions out of spare parts
Diplomat or Talker

Anyone know any fictional versions of Hephaestus (greek god of manufacturing) that would be within our price range?
Medical is most likely Lazkowicz's Cryokit's EMH.
Diplomat I have no idea on.

>>17459750
k. We were just arguing over requisitions like we always do.

>>17459674
He's too non-violent, any GURPS quick-gadgeteer could be better for us. Particularly on the cost savings and time savings on research and development.
We totally need one of those.

>>17459750
I've heard of such a bug in the console version.
Either way, crap like that is why I save like a man obsessed with saving. I hate when that happens.

Meta-Quest is online!

Back to the quest, more arguing over requisitions for later.

>>17458956
>NOD AT-5 Stealth Tanks.
Too fragile. Their cloaking device might be handy, but they themselves die in a light breeze.
Would also be handy if we get Camouflage or Disguising or Holograms or some type of "This fits perfectly in this canon and does not look strange at all" projector.
>SIR unit
Isn't that incredibly risky and likely to blow up in our faces?
>The Mentor, from 'Orcs Must Die!' and a blue outfit for him
Better to get someone from Sanctum if we're going the Tower Defense-y route, as the more high tech towers means we might be able to upgrade them easier.
>Nikola Tesla and Carl Sagan (Atomic Robo)
... Um, aren't they insane?

>Alpha Centuri tech such as University Lasers - MAY NEED TO GO IN TROOPS
Problem:
X-com heavy plasma has an attack strength of 13 in the SMAC universe. Anything past that walks into Sentient Algorithms, which might figure out a way to break into the Meta if we move in to pick stuff up.
SMAC's tech tree would be worth grabbing, but Sentient Algorithms can send probes into black holes to see what goes on in there. Not sure if Meta portals/warps are similar, but they may be.

>Magical Lab
>Alchemical Lab
This could be combined into one thing.
>Enchanter Team
We don't have a massive supply of materials; We might only need one enchanter, and not an entire team.

>>17459879
>Would also be handy if we get Camouflage or Disguising or Holograms
That would be the Incursion hologram technology we have on the list, as well as the cloaking devices that are also there.

>Nikola Tesla and Carl Sagan
Carl Sagan was already recruited by TG Requisitions, so it would only be Nikola Tesla. Considering our needs, however, there are other scientists we should get instead.

Requisitions and TG Main showed that they can acquire equipment from Alpha Centauri as evidenced by the fact that the Oncoming Storm has 3 University of Planet Singularity Lasers.
Your concern has been noted and discarded.

Combining the Magical Lab and Alchemical Lab will be up to MetaOP.

The Enchanter Team is for both manufacturing and research. If we have just one, then that will limit what we can do further.

>>17459293
Spartans? A Space Marine vastly overpowers a Spartan by so many magnitudes it isn't even funny.

Even a goddamn SIR unit is as strong as a Spartan-II

>>17459879
A SIR unit isn't actually risky for us. We have enough brainpower and resources to jailbreak them very easily.

Can they fly? Yes.

The bonus part is that they're smaller than our probe droids, they're as strong as Spartan-IIs and have lots of built-in melee and ranged weapons, and are ready to accomodate cloaking and disguises.

If we acquire a bunch of SIR units, we will essentially gain recon hardware that is second physically strongest, with first being our Space Marines.

>>17460313
But as we already determined in an earlier planning thread, the resources required to properly QC the SIR units so that they perform reliably would be better spent on other projects.

>>17460370
We did regain several more TG bases in our sector, so we could probably divert some manpower to SIR units in the near future.

>>17459492
Yes, we can do so much better than Spartans.

Comparing a Spartan to a Space Marine, it's like having a featherweight karate guy fight Brock Lesnar.

Here's one thing though: Somewhere above the middle of our priority list reads, "MORE DRONES".... and SIR units fall under the drones category.

The problem with all Irken tech is how it works more like magic than actual technology. I'd expect tons of compatibility problems with reality emitters.

Beyond that, introducing Invader Zim stuff to the game begins to raise the level of silly to a point even I find difficult to overlook. Or so it seems to me.

I should mention that any requisitions from ACME are right out.

http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/SIR_(Invader_Zim)

>>collapsibility
>>A SIR unit's memory disk inside its head records all vital data witnessed by the SIR unit. Though not necessary for the unit to function, it can be used to override basic SIR programming and control the unit from a remote location, as stated by the computer in TAK: The Hideous New Girl.

>>17460570
But will we ever have to fight against a SUE or some other faction that doesn't have that kind of restriction?

Once you get past the seeming cartoon nonsense, you can see Irken tech is at least WH40k level at least, and definitely several leagues below Culture-level.

>>17460655
However, the 'cartoon-nonsense' is a part of them.

>>17460570
How pricey would a Black Barrel and Replica be?

The more I think about it, the more Canons from Tsukihime and Melty Blood Bad Ends we could obtain them permanently from, since anything involving Dust of Osiris at all, or Tatari surviving past the summer of 2001 probably means the end of human life before Notes, meaning no Gun God to dig them up and headshot Type-Venus.

>>17462189
Why not?

Also, update from the actual thread:
>>The Elder Thing research indicated it held some strange resonance with the pillar and shard, but were not sure what the relationship was. It was theorized that maybe this weapon was used to cut the shard from the pillar. Its listed properties included a great ability to pierce energy fields, and the energy it resonated with made it disrupt creatures relying on psychic or etheric energies to survive, making it deadly against them. Psychic species feel uneasy, even sick around it, though non-psychics do not seem to be affected in this manner.


It appears we're being prompted to research into the Longinus spear and mass-produce it for our troops(most especially for the KI) like they did in End of Evangelion.

>>17462482
Why not... what? Please clarify.

>>17462952
When I meant "why not", I meant it might be a good idea, but we already have something(which can be mass-produced) to do the job.

Pic related, it's why we can mass-produce the Longinus.

Guys, I just had an idea.

What if, we obtained a warp gate from schlock Mercenary? that way, we can simply duplicate any canon characters that we find (and want) on assignment and recruit them without disrupting the canon!

Yay or nay?

>>17465582
Considered it, but seems to be outside our reach to steal such things.
Though our current plan for acquiring Kevyn is from when he jury rigged a small one into a one shot grav canon..

>>17465582
>>17465702
And Requisitions would totally call dibs on it.

Though considering that the 'small one' was a massive complex that siphoned power from a singularity stored inside a sun (which was unstable because they destroyed the housing, which was -around- the star in question), I don't think that counts as stealable apparatus.

>>17465711
Guess what the hypermatter reactor of an ISD is? We can hook it up to the Super Star Destroyer with 0 power problems.

>>17465711
Pictures please?

>>17465718
It also siphoned mass away from the star, which would mean that the hypermatter reactor would become unstable.

The Gate technology cannot be stolen because it depends on an infrastructure on the scale of a Dyson Sphere.

>>17465731
Where the system gets its mass.

>>17465718
>Guess what the hypermatter reactor of an ISD is?
My answer would fall toward 'Not enough'.
The SSD practically packs a star in its furnace, but the gate hub was just using a star more as the stellar packing peanuts and/or cooling rod for the hot-linked singularity they kept inside it.
We're talking about a race that would look at the largest things to come out of Star Wars and say 'nice toys'. Hell, the center of the galaxy is now a giant drive system that driving the galaxy at 'ramming speed'. They don't do small.

>>17465824

Couldn't we just clone people with a Trek transporter? I mean, there is precedent (see: Thomas Riker).

>>17465858
One of those many freak accidents with one-in-a-billion results that occur in Star Trek. No Trek canon has duplicated those results, and living things continue to be something they can't replicate, despite dedicated attempts to do so for other reasons.

>>17465886
Dang.

Well, it'll give those lab boys something to work on. Let's do some science.

Cave Johnson, we're done here.

well, it should be just under an hour till the main quest starts up again.

Anybody got any strategic insights?

>>17466821
I've suggested prayer.
Outside of than, not sure what else we can do.
Mechs and fliers on standby on the surface.
Cheryl, Tosh, X-Com Psi-Vets, Psions, and Farseers taking on the World Pillar.
Our troops with First Age weapons and the Spear joining the on the inner ring, along with Douglas (if anyone else has a Persona, recommend them here as well though it looks like just the one pick).
Our magic users in the next ring out, to provide support to the inner ring and outer ring.
Outer ring is the rest of our units and turrets and guns set to keep outside trouble from coming in.
Position ships geo-stationary over the south pole. Deploy all the shuttlepods and the shuttlecraft to the site as well.
We got lucky and have the version of the Victory-II that is atmosphere capable, so we may consider sending that down as well, but to start I would say keep the Relentless and Oncoming Storm within each others overlapping reality fields in case Ebon tries to dick with them directly.

>>17467103
>keep the Relentless and Oncoming Storm within each others overlapping reality fields in case Ebon tries to dick with them directly.
That's likely doomed to failure, considering that Ebon Night had no problems reaching through the Storm's capital ship-grade Reality Emitter and turning that one Farseer inside out.

The First Age weapons are a crapshoot against Ebon Night, unless we can force him to manifest physically.
The Lance of Longinus should be able to affect Ebon Night even if he is incorporeal, however, and Gondegal may be able to have some effect.

We should consider have the shard with Adam wheeled into the World Pillar chamber in order to increase the Pillar's power output if Cheryl is able to take control of it. The Elder Thing's found Adam in the chamber, so simply having it in the same room as the Pillar won't cause an Impact. It's only if it merges with the Pillar again that such a thing could happen. Or if somebody tries to touch Adam with the Lance of Longinus.

>>17467103
Actually, here's a crazy idea: The V-II has beefed up tractor beams, what say we send the Relentless down and try to tear the roof of the cavern..
Hm. Unless that would damage the World Pillar, in which case it is a terrible idea.
But if it isn't a terrible idea, we wouldn't be stuck with tunnel fighting.

Also, I've been going through the early part of the quest and don't see any mention one way or another on this: Is there any issues with the On Coming Storm entering the gravity well? It may or may not have landing struts, but whether a craft can land is different that whether or not it can function in an atmosphere. The Constitution-class, for example, could hover just fine in the Earth's atmosphere, but wasn't designed to set down.

>>17467217
The real fight will be the minds battling over the World Pillar, the rest are there to more or less as security in case he tries something physical against them.

You know, thinking about it, if we cast Reraise on them first, we might be able to risk bringing the Persona crew and Guts down as well.

Cloudflare FINALLY buggered off with its stupid error messages. Quest thread will be delayed for about 30 minutes. I see you have a general plan, good.

As a side note, you've still to pick who gets the Persona, though they may not receive it in time for the fight regardless.

>>17467510
Voting to give the Persona to Douglas. He doesn't have the combat skills that Spike has, and his ability to tank and keep damage from hitting our more vulnerable spellcasters/psions will be useful.

As for the fight itself, since we'll have Medic on-hand, I think we should prep for the fight by having the White Mages give everyone they can a cast of ReRaise, starting with themselves, Cheryl, the Farseers, then the X-COM psi-vets, then the Psions, then everybody else.
This list of priorities is based on who is most likely to get hit by Ebon Night's first attack.

Also I still think we should still have VP-99 ready to wheel Adam and the shard into the World Pillar chamber, for when Cheryl takes control of the Pillar and needs more power.

>>17467510
I had a though. Could we get Igor to give use the three persona users after the game wraps up, and just use one of them as their eyes? That way we get three persona users WITHOUT buggering the canon.

Of course, if we can get the persona kids post-game AND a persona for someone else, Cheryl might be a good nomination.

In other news, I noticed this thread wasn't on sup/tg/. Now it is.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17456343/

>>17467575
Seconding Douglas, he doesn't know anything sensitive, and it'll make him feel more useful, considering he'd be of limited help otherwise, and with the 'Completed Silent Hill' bonus, it'll be fairly strong.
As such, I recommend having Douglas and a member of the command crew take a nap, medically induced if needed, so that we can make contact in their dreams.
Considering that the regular Persona folk are linked to the source the same way, we can tell them that too to ensure the message gets across.

>>17467588
He answered that with a maybe, and hinted at owing more of a favor for it.

>>17467588
>Cheryl might be a good nomination.
Farseers already said that's a stupid idea when they gave us the report on what the Persona abilities of Douglas, Spike, and Elaine would be. Why are you bringing that up again?

>>17467588

>after their game wraps up
fixed. Damn I'm off the ball.

I'd also like to clarify that if we can't get the persona kids without buggering their canon, then we should still take the persona deal for one of our people.

I know some people are worried about this deal, especially Holtz's reaction, but there are two mitigating factors.
1) We already showed the Orz our base. We didn't get busted down to Twilight duty.
2)We're showing with the entire contents of Strahd's wine cellar.

>>17467644
Hmmm...we should ask what that would entail. It couldn't hurt to find out, even if we don't take the deal.
>>17467668
Damn, I missed this. Which thread was this in?

>>17467668
Not that it was a 'stupid' idea, just that it wouldn't help with the current mission, and just kinda duplicated what she might do but couldn't do both.

Bump while we wait for op.

>>17467696
>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17450144#17461800
>Essentially you would be giving her a weapon she already has, and she can only use one at a time.

>>17467711
Of course they wouldn't come out and say that it's stupid. Just implied. After all, they're Eldar.

>>17467668
What did they say about the various persona powers? That's stuff we need to know when we're making a decision.

>>17467822
Didn't you read the last thread at all?
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17450144#17462578
>Douglas' initial Persona will be a god of bears, a fierce protector. He will focus more on brute strength, raw stamina, and techniques that shield others. Having passed the trials of Silent Hill, Douglas will be able to use this inner strength to power his Persona.

>Spike's initial Persona will be a crafty, but strong hunter... or perhaps warrior. He will excel in dealing damage and debilitating his enemies. Having passed the trials of Silent Hill, he will be able to power his Persona with this inner strength.

>Elaine's initial Persona will be a merciful angelic being focused on curative, restorative, and enhancing techniques.

>>17467822
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17450144/#17462578
>Douglas' initial Persona will be a god of bears, a fierce protector. He will focus more on brute strength, raw stamina, and techniques that shield others. Having passed the trials of Silent Hill, Douglas will be able to use this inner strength to power his Persona.
>Spike's initial Persona will be a crafty, but strong hunter... or perhaps warrior. He will excel in dealing damage and debilitating his enemies. Having passed the trials of Silent Hill, he will be able to power his Persona with this inner strength.
>Elaine's initial Persona will be a merciful angelic being focused on curative, restorative, and enhancing techniques.

>>17467822
Elaine: Healer, Buffer
Spike: DPS, Debuffer
Douglas: Tank, Protector

Imo the Debuffer would be most useful.

>>17467884

I also think we should give the Persona to Spike. His insane luck combined with an ability that'll make him a frontline Hero will make him a huge asset.

Cheryl's Bum may want to remain in the SH-verse.

Thread is loading, but may take some time...

>>17467844
>>17467863
Linkmind?

Also, as TG, we obviously need the God of Bears.
Also pairs well with psi-focused Cheryl to give her bum some strength and protection abilities. Someone to cover her while her mind is at work.

>>17467884
Yes it would, all of the creatures we fight seem to have an "instant death, no rez" which our guys have to avoid, not stand in front of screaming "Rar, I'm a bear!"

Spike's the best choice

>>17467929
is that a


beardbearian?

>>17467844
Well sorry for having to fucking sleep and missing a few posts.

I'm definitely leaning towards Spike or Heather's Bum.

>>17467925
Spike is already a crafty tough fighter though.
The trick, as we've learned in the last thread, it that the Persona user will end up mainly using the Persona, takes too much focus to do other complex tasks, like fight hard, fly a jet, cast spells, or eye laser.
Douglas ends up a good choice because, well, there isn't much he can really do for us otherwise. While Spike, Elaine, and Cheryl can all be doing their own thing still.

>>17467978
>I'm definitely leaning towards Heather's Bum.
Heh.

>>17467986

snrk.

I didn't notice that till you pointed it out.

>>17467938
By your own description Spike's, as an up front fighter, would be just as poor a choice.
On the other hand, I recommend Douglas for the same reason, having a Persona take an instant kill shot for someone is much better than having a mortal just be instantly killed.

>>17468008
Don't worry, we all like Heather's bum. It's that useless detective Douglas I don't like much.

>>17468031
Spike's a sharpshooter who uses martial arts to take people without killing them. Anyways, if we don't upgrade Spike, he'll become redundant. Hell, he might even get that "luck upgrade" we've wanted.

>>17468071

As of now, he's more of an infiltrator for near-future settings and such. He's also a bit of a negotiator and smooth-talker hero as well.

I was hoping that the Persona would be used in conjunction with his regular abilities to create a Persona/user team. But if that's not the case, we may try to look into unobtrusive armor or other things that'll make Spike better-suited for frontline stuff.

>>17468111
Aye, sadly the 'team effort' ideas got quashed.

>> it that the Persona user will end up mainly using the Persona, takes too much focus to do other complex tasks, like fight hard, fly a jet, cast spells, or eye laser.

Is this true for the Persona 4 tv series?

>>17468187

Thread online.

It kind of looks like Douglas has a slight edge in Persona 'votes', is this right?

>>17468071

>Anyways, if we don't upgrade Spike, he'll become redundant. Hell, he might even get that "luck upgrade" we've wanted.

Well, we may well be getting the magic cryokit soon. That's going to give Spike a whole bag of tricks.

>>17468071
We need to help Spike be better at being Spike, giving him a Persona would end up detracting from what he's already good at himself.
Better armor, better guns, keep him relevant, but keep him Spike.
He needs a set of that low-profile power armor from schlockverse that we want to make.

Here's one thing we could need: some kind of therapist/counselor.
Like we need to make sure that our troops are doing okay, and if we do plan on taking Cheryl with us, we should make sure she's mentally stable.

>>17468200
Seems so. Before the Farseers stepped in it was between Cheryl and Douglas, with just Douglas after it was revealed it would help her with the Pillar. Spike made a showing here, but Douglas is still the favorite.

>>17467669
I can't see much point to taking the Persona kids along.
I mean I wouldn't be surprised if Philemon has a method of tracking them as well.
Plus, given their age, I don't think they can cope with the necessary duties of the Transpace Guard.

Assuming that we have ANY Requisitions left over from refilling our ranks, maybe, instead of some of the engineering upgrades we wanted, we should invest in a brain-backup technology.
We have the reconstruction tanks that can build entire bodies already; we just need a way to back up the minds.

Which Canon has a technology like this that we could purchase, and that won't be on TG's black list of Canons to never visit?

Philemon!

WE HAVE A EMERGENCY WAY OUT!

If we're absolutely screwed, we can use Douglas to communicate with Philemon and trade a favor for a way back to our ships!

Well, we got the sages. Anyone know of a way to stablize them, or give them bodies?

Hmmm...we seem to have the opportunity to recruit the three Sages from chrono cross.

I imagine this might impact our recruitment policy somewhat.

>>17474494
I'm sure they and Egon can figure something out between them.

I do have to wonder, was the Kingdom of Zeal planned from the beginning if we used Adam, or did he choose it on the spot because he loved Chrono Trigger as much as many of us and didn't want to have us start from scratch.

>>17474563
It's very convenient for us, actually.

If we can keep the sages, it might well free up a hero slot for us.

Mech:
Von Luckner tanks - http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Von_Luckner
ACS suits as upgrade to MI, possibly additional squad
Replacement/Additional VF-25s, plus VB-6s.
MORE MECHS: DISCUSS AS REQUISITION BECOMES AVAILABLE

Infantry/Research:
White Mages - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/White_Mage_(Final_Fantasy_Tactics)
Gavs - http://ovalkwiki.com/Gav+Bleuel
Techno-Wizards - http://rifts.wikia.com/wiki/Techno-wizardry
Paladins lvl6+ - http://www.wowpedia.org/Paladin_(Warcraft_III)
Drones/Droids - HK-50s, Viper Probes, Observers. . .
Enchanters/Magical Researchers
Troop Replenishment

Ships and ship upgrades:
Neo Gotengo 'class' ship - http://godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/Gotengo#Neo_Gotengo
Macross Quarter - http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Macross_Quarter
Al'kesh - http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Al'kesh
R-Type ships - http://rtype.wikia.com/wiki/R-9DH_Grace_Note
Cloaking Device for Executor - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fondor_shipyard_assault
Incursion based tech - http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Incursion
Schlock Fabber and upgrades to Creation Engine.
Magical Lab/Alchemy Lab
Botany Bay/Greenhouse
Industrial Transporter
Engineering Bay and Workshops


Hero suggestions:
Rupert Giles - http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Rupert_Giles
Dr. Todd Lazkowicz - http://ovalkwiki.com/Doctor+Todd+Lazkowicz
Guy from Sanctum (Tech replacement for "The Mentor)
Agrias Oaks - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Agrias_Oaks
Mustadio - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Mustadio
PROXY - starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Proxy
Nikola Tesla (Atomic Robo)

Tech/item interests:
Economizers - Makes all spells cost 1 MP.
Ethers - Restore Mana
Nethack Holy water - http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Holy_water
Book of Identify - http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Spellbook_of_identify
Alleria's Flute of Accuracy - Increases nearby ranged units damage by 10%.
Warsong Battle Drums - Increases the attack damage of nearby friendly units by 10% when worn.
Staff of Negation - http://www.wowpedia.org/Staff_of_Negation
Alpha Centuri databases - http://sidmeiersalphacentauri.wikia.com/wiki/Technology_tree
Black Barrel - http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Barrel
Weapons for BLU - http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Weapons
Nannybags and Rejuve tanks
Mobile Emitters for Holograms - http://memory-gamma.wikia.com/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Hologram

We may also want a full Emergency Holographic Complement in case of Command Crew issues. See http://memory-gamma.wikia.com/wiki/Emergency_Holographic_Complement for details

Any complaints about this version of the list?

>>17473910
Good thinking, now we have a backup in case we can't figure a way out.

>>17475160
Nope, all seems to be in order.

I don't think you've missed anyone (that we can actually feasibly get at this level).

In fact I thi-
>We may also want a full Emergency Holographic Complement in case of Command Crew issues. See http://memory-gamma.wikia.com/wiki/Emergency_Holographic_Complement for details

NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! BAD! YOU DON'T USE STUFF FROM A FANFIC WIKI!

Seriously, we need to stay well clear of Suetech.

>>17475272
thanks for the catch, I'll update those to the http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Emergency_Command_Hologram real wiki.

>>17475285
OK, that may be a good idea. And it made me realise something. Do we have a Chief Engineer? Deck chief? Somebody has to maintain all our ships.

Do we have a specific gameplan when dealing with Ebon Night? Personally, I think we should attempt to use temporal dickery to help kill off the fucker. bu that might lose use the sages once the paradox works itself out, and they would be damn useful to us. On the other hand, we lose all of our physics, Cheryl, and an entire world if we don't.

Talk about a rock and a hard place.

>>17475335
Ebon Night is dead. We just have to deal with the echos of him while we're still at Zeal. Also, this isn't a paradox, this is closer to stealing people from a picture. While they aren't the real people, they're time-clones, or echos of the real people which make them rather close.
We also don't know if our psychics are dead (unlikely considering Tosh and Char are alive) or if the planet is doomed. Cheryl could have sent the energy elsewhere, or even used it to attack Ebon Night saving the planet.

Main reason I think we should get a full set of these holograms is in case something happens on the ships again. They would have been useful with the skeletons, and they'd have been useful while we were fighting ebon night.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Emergency_Security_Hologram would also work. This mentions that a prototype ship, the Galen, from one of the books was outfitted with a full complement of Holographic crew, such as engineers and security. They started using these more often after the Voyager incident.

>>17475372
Well, we need to try and do whatever we can to save Cheryl and the others. We have the capability to timetravel, if not with Meta tech, but with the sages' help.

We can't just give up on them. Besides, these rifts Ebon Night is coming through in all likelihood lead back to where he came from. LEAVE NO CANON BEHIND.

>>17475474
We don't know if Cheryl or our psychics are dead. All we know is that Tosh is currently in the Castle. Our Psychics could be in there with him, we don't know because the only one close enough to a Newtype for Char to sense is Tosh.

Before we worry about creating a time paradox, we need to see if they're actually dead.

>>17475372
We would need to refit all of our ships with internal holo-emitters everywhere.
It's doubtful that we can replicate mobile emitters because our replicator technology is probably from the late 2300's, probably Dominion War-era, and the Federation still couldn't replicate the technology of the emitter.

Damn, that fight with Ebon Night was a tough one.

1. You people are thinking of the the Emergency Command Hologram from Voyager, right?

2. Grace Note is a second-tier R-type ship. If we can't get it at first, we could try settling for the R-9C War-Head. Ideally we're trying to get the R-9S Strike Bombers and probably the R-90 Ragnarok.

3. I think we need to consider mass-producing the Lance of Longinus just like in End of EVA. One for infantry scale, and another to be mech-sized (big enough for the Hyaku and the VFs to carry, probably sized around that it can be stored in the leg compartment of a VF in lie of a couple of micro-missiles.

4. We really need to mass-produce the Medigun. It shouldn't be too hard and to teach the other troops to use it since the Medic made it himself I think? Also, we could also consider mounting Mediguns on drones as well.

5. We still should get Char looked at by the X-COM Psi-techs when we get back.

6. We should probably buy Bonk! Atomic Punch for the Scout so he can survive longer as bait. Probably get Short Circuit for the Engineer, and Righteous Bison/Cow Mangler for the Soldier I guess?

7. We need to buy elixirs for our White Mages to keep them going in a fight.

>>17476268
I second all of these points.

Should we start considering our recruitment options, both if we do and do not wind up with the sages recruited?

>>17476268
>1. You people are thinking of the the Emergency Command Hologram from Voyager, right?
I'm actually thinking of far more uses.
The Emergency Medical Hologram for front-line first aid, refitting the Oncoming Storm with holo-emitters so that ANON can create a holographic avatar and take command, and Emergency Security Holograms to handle ship security.
We can develop self-contained holoemitters with their own power supplies that we can send down alongside ground troops to create instant reinforcements and meatshields, as well as extra firepower.

>>17476386
Now, considering that all published works are Canons, we can get a suitcase-sized holo-projecter as described here:
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Portable_emitter

It's small and compact, not as good as a mobile emitter, but if we attach it to a droid, then we can use it as a means of providing mobile fire support, as well as providing a droid with more manipulation options.

>>17476386

>We can develop self-contained holoemitters with their own power supplies that we can send down alongside ground troops to create instant reinforcements and meatshields, as well as extra firepower.

Indeed, we can even use PROXY as a prototype, of sorts.

>>17476442

>It's small and compact, not as good as a mobile emitter, but if we attach it to a droid, then we can use it as a means of providing mobile fire support, as well as providing a droid with more manipulation options.

So...PROXY, then?

>>17476486
>>17476496
Slightly different.
PROXY can be used as infiltration, combat training, and combat support using his hologram modules.
This holo-emitter upgrade to VP-98 and VP-99 would allow them to create security holograms for defense and offense, interacting with people, manipulating devices, and creating active holographic camouflage.
Considering the size of a Viper probe droid, it should be a simple matter to attach a gun case where phaser rifles could be stored for the holograms to use.
Also, considering that these emitters are self-contained and won't draw on the droid's own power supply, they can be programmed with an Emergency Engineering Hologram to aid in self-repair if the droid is damaged, or letting 98 and 99 assist in engineering tasks.
This expands the possible roles of VP-98 and VP-99 from just being recon droids and an extra blaster during a fight, to additional medical personnel (with an EMH program loaded into the emitters), engineers (with engineer holograms), and their own small tactical squad (with security holograms and the phaser rifles they carry).

>>17476864
VP-99 with Mediguns?

>>17476948
I don't see why not.
A Viper is 1.6 meters tall, plenty of space on the outside to weld a gun compartment to hold them.
I assume we want to heavily customize VP-98 and VP-99 because they've gotten to Hero, regardless of whether we implement the holo-emitters or not.

>>17476864
Also, instead of just a holographic squad with phaser rifles, consider the idea of a holographic squad with the mass-produced Longinuses.

>>17477009
We would need to buy a more powerful repulsorlift unit to handle the extra weight, but we wanted one anyway to increase the VP's speed and operational altitude.
There is, of course, a limit to the amount of stuff we can attach to their chassis if we still want to use them in a recon role.

>>17475121
>More mechs
As a BT initiate, I'd like to point out that the two Mad Cats we have remaining are modular omnimechs. In universe, this means it can be rapidly reconfigured by swapping weapons and sensor packages.

While we could requisition more bits from the BT universe (hello, LBX mech shotguns), a stronger possibility would be to RP it to mean tech from other canons can be easily adapted to work on them.

There are also omni vehicles, but the ones I found all looked quite different from modern MBTs.

>>17477088
>repulsorlift

Shit, you know I forgot that proxy has an array of repulsors and tractors sophisticated enough to carry off a lightsaber throw.

>>17477088
Of course, we can start building a new chassis from scratch at that point, if we have the technical know-how.

It seems that the fastest, cheapest thing we can do revolves around the stuff we can do with the mediguns, right?

>>17474563
You were always going to go to Zeal.

Unless you wiped the whole team before Cheryl could power up the pillar, in which case you'd have gotten Pelleaon's scenario.

Mediguns require small amounts of Austrailium to build. You might be able to construct/lay hands on a few, but they'll always be rare.

So no ideas on mind backup ideas?
Here's a few options:

1. Modified Soulcatcher technology from the Antaeus. We already have the Soulchips, modify them to upload into a reconstructed body. If the new Soulcatch from when a person was killed on a mission turns out to be corrupt, we can use their backup copy from when they last died. This would result in XP loss and possible psychological problems. Soulcatcher technology seems to be destructive when downloading a person's mind onto a chip, meaning that it can only be invoked when a person is about to die.
2. EVE Online transneural burning scanner and clone bodies. Essentially the same thing as Soulchips, and the neural scanning process destroys the brain so that it can only be done at time of death.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cloning
3. Eclipse Phase cortical stack implants for everyone. Perhaps a little expensive, but by keeping a backup of everyone before they go on a mission, and retrieving their cortical stacks if they die, we can reconstruct their brains and re-upload their minds.
http://www.firewall-darkcast.com/content/cortical-stack

Now, regardless of which one of these choices is chosen, we will need to do research in order to modify the Schlockverse reconstruction tanks to be able to handle them. We will also need Dr. Lazarus' Magic Cryokit as a base to start the research, since it contains the necessary advanced technology; we have commercially available reconstruction tanks only, so they are unlikely to have the needed level of sophistication without upgrades.

>>17477286
>>17477347
Well, in that case may I suggest we prioritise building the Quick-Fix as the medigun of choice for wider deployment, seeing as most of our troops lack Ubercharge capability?

>>17477401
Not sure the Eve stuff would work. While I doubt the scanner equipment fills up much space in the pod, it would probably be too bulky and fragile for ground troops.

>>17477425
We would need to requisition a stock of Austraillium.
And that's in addition to all of the stuff we have on the requisition list.
Mediguns would be helpful, but they won't be able to do anything about insta-gib attacks like the ones we suffered here.

>>17477526
I just included it for completeness sake.
Out of the three options, I think the EVE option is the worst.
I believe that Option 3, the Eclipse Phase equipment, is the best out of the 3. TG Requisitions can acquire the equipment via shell companies in the setting.

>>17477591
I know that, but it was in repsonse to this:
>Mediguns require small amounts of Austrailium to build. You might be able to construct/lay hands on a few, but they'll always be rare.

I meant that IF we were to get mediguns, get the ones that do healing the fastest.

AlsO: Doesn't Infinity have some kind of combat backup consciousness...thing that's standard issue?

Welp, time to hunt for Australium.

>>17477690
I think we have slightly more...pressing concerns right now.

>>17477894
Right.
We have a rough outline of what we're going to do, but it's nowhere near a plan.

We still haven't found Gaspar, and our Three Sages Team is incomplete without him.
We can have the Observer check out the Sun Shrine, and VP-99 to examine the Northern Palace. VF-25's pilots to check out Enhasa.

As for the Palace, we'll likely need everyone to go there, but I'm leery of simply walking in there in full view with Char's Hyaku Shiki and the Tomahawks and Mad Cats.

Good after sleep, everyone.

>>17475121
>Dr. Todd Lazkowicz - http://ovalkwiki.com/Doctor+Todd+Lazkowicz
Well, it was between him and the EMH from the Magic Cryokit. If we have to choose, it has to be Cryo-EMH, he's got all the data and is easier to recover.

And don't forget to add Kevyn to the list, we had finally found a point we could extract him from. The original was killed at the gate-cloning facility 'Target Echo'.
We could get him, Triniko, and a chance of recovering the original Gav in one shot.
While Requisitions likely wouldn't give us the results, they could also take a shot at duplicating 950 million of something cloaked, or carried by something cloaked, but maybe they'll give us a discount on those scientists for the tip off.

Quick question.

Where are our white mages from anyways? I've been looking up the character art for the various guys we've got, but "Lyla Final Fantasy" gives nothing.

Is she from a different source?

>>17478724
Final Fantasy Tactics, Ivalice.
Lyla and Elaine were randomly generated names, like if you had just recruited some new Squires.

>>17478724
Lyla and Elaine were simple generic Final Fantasy White Mages until they got promoted.

>>17478657
>magic Cryokit
Yeah, I imagine that's playing a rather key role in the UNS' Project L'z'r'us. Good luck trying to get that back. Besides, Dr. Todd can just build us another.

Although recruiting Kevyn may indeed be a good idea.

>>17478657
We don't need or particularly want the original Gav.
We just need to have a cloaked TG Requisitions Operative sneak in and modify the cloning commands that Triniko sent in order to create a second set of copies that we can recruit.
The Operative in question could also, while cloaked, make another 950 million copies of themselves, too......
Aw crap, Carmen Sandiego is going to suddenly have 949, 999, 999 sisters, isn't she?

>>17478823
Well, no, we won't be getting the original Magic Cryokit.
But that doesn't keep us from taking an opportunity to make a copy of the Cryokit's AI and database.

>>17478875
>HIDE YOUR KIDS, HIDE YOUR WIFE, THEY'RE STEALING EVERYBODY!

You never know, we could just make 950 million Carl Sagans.

>>17478823
>implying that he remembers three-thousand years of suppressed medical knowledge of the top of his head.
Actually, we were talking about copying the data and matrix from the cryo-kit, not the cryokit itself.
Information is much easier to get at than a guy with a bullet in his brain. (Suggestion for the doctor was slipping him some RED earlier on and switching the body out before he gets back up. Suggestion for the Cryo-data was copying it during the same crisis with everyone away from that area.)

>>17478875
>We don't need or particularly want the original Gav.
Yeah, but if his head is intact, might as well pick it up.

We'll let Requisitions argue about what they do with that idea. Personally, I'd suggest an Observer, or similar cloaked drone, with a teraport and a case of 'useful items' strapped to it.

Then again, having teams of Carmen's assigned to Requisitions groups would be interesting.. but I wouldn't want to be in charge of managing them.

>>17478911
>now imagining 950 million copies of Carl Sagan, Lupin III, and Waldo to go along with the 950 million Carmen Sandiego's
>TG Requisitions now the largest branch of TG, ever

>>17479034
What if she steals from the Bloody Magpies?

...who stole from Lupin III?

>>17479072
I refer you to this post:
>>17478911

Some hero suggestions I would recommend would be
Doc Samson
Doctor Druid
Brother Voodoo
Mainly because all three are listed as being psychiatrists and... I'd say our troops could use one.
Also all three are currently 'deceased' and not slouches in other areas either.

>>17479072
The Blood Ravens battlebarge "Latro Corvus" above where the Chapter's Warehouse World should be.
"What do you mean it's gone?! How could someone steal an entire planet? You must be in error, Navigator!"
"Were that I was, Captain. However, I have already consulted with the other Navigators, and we are above where your Warehouse World is supposed to be."

>>17478054

Call em Magitek and be done with it.

>>17479358
Indeed. We are traveling with sufficiently advanced technology to call it magic to magic people that haven't seen it before.

>>17479256
After this last fight, I might actually agree we might need some counseling, though I'd have to nix those suggestions.
>Doc Samson
Developed multiple personalities and had some brainwashing, and his spirit shows up and helps out later on.
>Doctor Druid
Also went crazy and violent, tried to kill former team.
>Brother Voodoo
Nobly sacrificed himself while serving as Sorcerer Supreme and has had a regular title to himself before. He'll back back. Marvel will stretch it out more than DC, but he'll definitely return at some point.

Best to avoid the big label comics, 'death' doesn't get us a clean break to grab someone from, and the good ones are generally heavily witnessed.

How about the guy from Lie to Me? A bit harsh on people, but real sharp. Downside, we'd probably have to grab his team too.
Hm, shrinks are a narrow field to find heroic-scale examples of. Perhaps we should settle for a week of shore leave and a lake of rum.

>>17479589
>>17479358
I'm not concerned with explaining ourselves. I'm concerned with telegraphing our intent to storm the castle to the paranoid egomaniac that is Queen Zeal and Dalton.

>>17480014
I'm still more concerned with the power sources we've detected.

Either way: Goals for the current location.
Gather our people together.
Recruit friendly time echos.
Make sure the shards of Ebon Night are all defeated.
Travel back before the fight went bad and focus on killing Ebon Night properly, saving the White Mages and Cheryl. Or during the fight or merge with ourselves, or whichever time-dickery is most appropriate for Saving The Day.

>>17480248

I don't think we actually know for certain what happened to the world we were just punted out of. The Third Impact might have turned everyone into Tang, or Cheryl might have successfully harnessed Adam like so many Bioshock characters and used it to blast Ebon Night to hell and not make everyone a giant pile of orange-flavored drink.

>>17480305
Or the gigantic burst of energy could have been used, possibly to rip hole in a dimensional barrier and send a certain group of people somewhere.

>>17480305
>>17480341
In any event, we must time-fuck Ebon Night and save our people and that world.

>>17479256
>>17479795

>Counselor/Psychiatrist heroes

A hero we might want to consider for morale/counselor hero: Fall-From-Grace, from Planescape: Torment. While she's not a qualified psychologist or psychiatrist, she did basically run a intellect-brothel, took several planar beings under her wing(s), and helped them to grow into intelligent and independent people. She's also personally dealt with getting over horrific things (i.e. spending many demon-years in the Abyss and then many more demon-years being enslaved by the Baatezu), and seems to know a lot about overcoming torment or great pain in order to fundamentally change one's nature for the better. Additionally, she has a patient yet assertive mannerism, and seems to genuinely care for those who seek her help. She was also capable of offering sage advice to a high-wisdom-scored TNO, and could think in ways that said TNO could not. And if she can't get through to a person through lateral thinking and counseling, she can resort to casting the DnD 2e spell "Heal", which is described as being able to heal one's mental state as well. She's also a level 10-15ish DnD 2e cleric, which gives her some other utility as well.

The downsides? She's a succubus. While she has genuinely changed herself to be a caring and tranquil person, her demonic nature may not sit well with everyone. She doesn't exactly actively reach out to people to help, either; they need to come to her out of their own volition.

>>17480487
Well, if we aren't going for a formally-qualified therapist, then Giles might actually be useful for that, too. That, or the Persona 4 Brotaginist (assuming he's not been turned into tang).

>>17479795
The problem is that there don't seem to be a lot of psychologists/psychiatrists that aren't either evil or sitcom characters.
And yeah I was aware of the whole "Samson" thing, but felt that that could be disregarded due to Loeb. In retrospect, that was silly on my part.
Maybe TG Headquarters has a division for this?

>>17480487
Not a bad choice, overall.
I say add her to the list of considerations.

I was going to make a topic, but no one's complained about me being late yet.

>>17481549
"Where the Hell is MetaOP, and the next thread?"
There, how's that?

>>17481549
Well now that you're late we can start doing that.

>>17481678

Yeah that works.

>>17481740

>Lance of Longinus
>Voiceless Spear

maybe we should look into people experienced with polearms?

I'd like to requisition new dice.

>>17485029
Train Agrias in Dragoon and Ninja.

Alright, so, any other plans or ideas for ways to back up our troops?

I'm still going with the Cortical Stack from Eclipse Phase.

>>17486141
I agree. #1 and #2 don't look appealing.

After this Ebon Night thing, I seriously think we need to mass-produce the lances.

>>17486281
Agreed.

I also vote we make sure that the command crew itself be trained with, and have at least one Black Barrel Replica(pistol) with them at all times, in case we ever have to personally face off against deific level beings again. Preferably have the entire Command Crew be familiarized with using it, as it makes a decent sidearm against normal things, and looks like just a normal pistol most of the time, so it's easy to pass off in most canons.

I also suggest we get a Replica for Spike. Unless he would be better with an original Black Barrel rifle.

>>17486680
Oh stop mentioning the Black Barrel, TSAB probably already has it.

>>17486840
TSAB probably does not due to the simple fact that anything with Ether/magic in it can't touch the thing, and TSAB is all about magic users.

>>17486875
We should also attempt to figure out how to make that "Anti-magic bullets" from Fate/Zero. Destroying any spellcaster as long as you can shoot him once would be unbelievably useful.

>By surviving the horrors the Ebon Night set against you, some of your squads have managed to reach a new level of combat skill. Some of your troops and heroes that have been with you since the beginning have gained additional benefits.

Elaine has been promoted to Hero and the White Mage unit dissolved.
VP-99 has been upgraded to a Hero unit.
Your Sandmen are now Veteran Sandmen.
Your Mobile Infantry are now Veteran Mobile Infantry.
Your Delta Green Squad is now a Veteran Delta Green Squad.
Your Auror team is now a Veteran Auror team.
Psion Squad increases to Level 9!
Abjurer Squad increases to Level 10!
SCP team experience cancels out reinforcement's green level.
UNIT team experience cancels out incoming reinforcement's green level.
Spike can learn a new skill!
Tosh can learn a new skill!
Egon can learn a new skill!
Your Tomahawk and VF Pilots are now Veterans.
Oh also, with Cheryl and Douglas formally joining, you can pick 2 skills for Doug and 1 for Cheryl. Cheryl's other skill has already been picked.

>>17486956
Do we have existing skills for Spike, Egon, and Tosh listed anywhere?

Cheryl
>Dark Humor - Her jokes are so dark, they cause people to break down in fear.

>>17486918
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Thompson_Contender#Thompson_Contender
>Origin Bullets, containing part of Kiritsugu's soul, actualize his Origin of "Severing and Binding" upon contact with the target, which can cripple living creatures that are fired upon. There are no wounds or bleeding, but the area or body part where the target is hit appears to be suffering from necrosis. While it seems to have healed properly on the surface, the nerves and capillaries will never regenerate properly and the original function will be forever lost. While it would be bad for a living being to be hit by it, as a Conceptual Weapon, this bullet poses an even graver threat to magi in particular. Out of the sixty-six Bullets, thirty-seven bullets have been used, and not a single one was wasted after completely destroying thirty-seven magi. During the Grail War, he has access to twelve bullets, and Keyneth becomes the victim of the thirty-eighth bullet. The only person to render it ineffective is Kotomine due to the fact that he doesn't fight like an orthodox magus.

How close to Autosage are we?

>>17486997
Those heroes have not acquired named "bonus skills" until now.

>>17486997
They were bought, so no, they don't have any special abilties beyond those shown in their respective Canons.

Special skills need to be earned.

Douglas:
"I already lost my son" - When his friends are under threat, or in a state of fear and panic, the combat strength of Douglas and his Persona increase proportional to the level of threat and/or fear.
"Old Detective" - Douglas has been a detective and then a PI for a long time, he's good at picking up on clues, and plying people for information.

Cheryl:
"Your Power is MINE" - Besides dark humor potential, she is adept at using the reality manipulating powers of others for her own purposes, while somehow not being tainted by them.

Suggested skills:

Spike:
>How did you hit that? -When fighting a target that is unable to be injured by normal attacks, Spike has the miraculous ability to injure the target by bypassing all protections.

>"What, you don't believe me?" - Spike is exceptionally good at bullshitting people. He could bullshit his way into the Pentagon and get it closed down for a day, if need be.

Tosh:
>Voodoo - When Tosh has a piece of a target, he can create a voodoo doll of it and cause damage to the target via the doll.

>"Tutor" - All entities with a mind have some degree of Psionic potential. Tosh can help people to find and express this potential.

>"Da spirits say" - Tosh can telepathically talk and listen to a wider variety of things. Gods, shoggoths, the spirits of a place, the spirits of an item, perhaps even Magic itself if the setting allows it.

Egon:
>Tinkerer - Egon has the ability to create and alter tech on the field to work, regardless of the tools and materials needed.

>"It's easy to explain" - Egon can introduce scientists to the basics of Paranormal or Magical study, and magicians to the basics of the Scientific method.

Spike gets 1 skill.
Tosh gets 1 skill.
Egon gets 1 skill.
Cheryl gets 1 skill.
Douglas gets 2 skills.
Elain gets 2 skills.
VP-99 gets 2 skills. Should also get a nickname.

OP Sez:
Pick 1 skill for Spike
Pick 1 skill for Tosh
Pick 1 skill for Egon
Pick 1 skill for Cheryl
Pick 2 skills for Douglas
Pick 2 skills for Elaine
Pick 2 skills for VP-99

Just make up something that doesn't seem retardedly overpowered. You don't have to pick an existing suggestion.

I'm leaning towards the skills for Research, Manufacturing, Information-gathering, Diplomacy/Bullshitting/Speechcraft, and Luck.

>>17487070
Egon already qualifies for those under his Canon Abilities.
We need something to suggest an expansion to those skills.

Tosh, I like 'Da Spirits say..', his mental powers broadening in scope, particularly since he's used them for that more than psi-lashing.

Spike.. not sure. Any more suggestions?

>>17487068
Sounds good to me.

>>17487032
Autosage in 50. Should be good for discussing this thread for a while, then we'll need to make another one.

>>17487107
>Egon already qualifies for those under his Canon Abilities.
>We need something to suggest an expansion to those skills.
Ok..
"Tell Him About the Twinkie" - Already well versed in the sciences and paranormal, Egon quickly picks up on varying versions of both from various Canons, both integrating new knowledge into his work and able to explain it in concepts that his fellows can understand.

VP-99:

"The Path Less Traveled" - VP-99 is particularly adept at finding hidden passages and unused paths, or otherwise finding ways around that have the least amount of traffic.

"Miraculous Survivor" - Whether it is luck, fate, or particularly good damage-avoidance protocols, this unit can (and has) survived where many other units have fallen, often unscathed.

Spike:
>How many pints of blood do you have? - Constant trauma has made him impossible to kill. Instead of dying, Spike is instead unconscious until medical help arrives to heal him.

Tosh:
>I've got an idea, mon - Tosh is able to exert his psychic power to change the thoughts a person is currently thinking. He can use this to change people's minds, erase his presence, or even teach.

Egon:
>A gentleman and a scholar - Due to Egon's massive intellect, he has realized some of the rules behind the metaverse. He can make the technology of different canons fuse in oddly effective ways.

Cheryl:
>Silent Survivor - Her constant struggles with Silent Hill and her psychic powers have left her with an amazing intuition. Due to this, she often knows the direction attacks are coming from before they occur and is able to use her powers to prevent her friends from dying.

Elaine:
>Don't die on me damn it! - Due to seeing many of her friends die before her eyes, she has gained the ability to bring people back to the brink life (1 hp) by sacrificing her own health.
>I HATE THE DARK! - Because of her fights with the undead and Ebon Night, Elaine has learned how to cast a Holy that seems to consecrate the area, causing constant damage to all evil and undead creatures within its borders.

VP-99: "Ninety-nine"
>Treasure Hunter - This droid has miraculous luck when searching for equipment and treasure. When he is around, all treasure hunting goes far better than it would have otherwise.
>Well, what's over here? - VP-99 has the ability to notice paths and routes that are rarely used, giving it the ability to infiltrate many places without notice.

Spike:
>How did you hit that? -When fighting a target that is unable to be injured by normal attacks, Spike has the miraculous ability to injure the target by bypassing all protections.
>"What, you don't believe me?" - Spike is exceptionally good at bullshitting people. He could bullshit his way into the Pentagon and get it closed down for a day, if need be.
>"The Wheel of Fortune" - You don't survive this long without being at least a little lucky. If Spike is present, he may reroll 1 unfortunate circumstance per hour.
>How many pints of blood do you have? - Constant trauma has made him impossible to kill. Instead of dying, Spike is instead unconscious until medical help arrives to heal him.

Tosh:
>Voodoo - When Tosh has a piece of a target, he can create a voodoo doll of it and cause damage to the target via the doll.
>Tutor - All entities with a mind have some degree of Psionic potential. Tosh can help people to find and express this potential.
>"Da spirits say" - Tosh can telepathically talk and listen to a wider variety of things. Gods, shoggoths, the spirits of a place, the spirits of an item, perhaps even Magic itself if the setting allows it
>I've got an idea, mon - Tosh is able to exert his psychic power to change the thoughts a person is currently thinking. He can use this to change people's minds, erase his presence, or even teach.

>>17487296
Egon:
>Tinkerer - Egon has the ability to create and alter tech on the field to work, regardless of the tools and materials needed.
>"It's easy to explain" - Egon can introduce scientists to the basics of Paranormal or Magical study, and magicians to the basics of the Scientific method.
>"Tell Him About the Twinkie" - Already well versed in the sciences and paranormal, Egon quickly picks up on varying versions of both from various Canons, both integrating new knowledge into his work and able to explain it in concepts that his fellows can understand.
>A gentleman and a scholar - Due to Egon's massive intellect, he has realized some of the rules behind the metaverse. He can make the technology of different canons fuse in oddly effective ways.

Cheryl:
>"The Will to Power" - People nearby Cheryl gain a boost to their mental attributes and a resistance to mental damage.
>"Your Power is MINE" - Besides dark humor potential, she is adept at using the reality manipulating powers of others for her own purposes, while somehow not being tainted by them.
>"A light in the darkness" - People in need of help will always find their way to Cheryl. This includes canon natives, as well as transpace guard operatives
>Silent Survivor - Her constant struggles with Silent Hill and her psychic powers have left her with an amazing intuition. Due to this, she often knows the direction attacks are coming from before they occur and is able to use her powers to prevent her friends from dying.

Elaine:

"Remembrance of the Fallen" - Stricken by the loss of friends, Elaine's magics can reach farther than most to recover allies from the clutches of Death.

"Make it in Time" - This determination combined with her Time Mage training grant Elaine the effects of Haste in combat.

>>17487306
Douglas:
>"I already lost my son" - When his friends are under threat, or in a state of fear and panic, the combat strength of Douglas and his Persona increase proportional to the level of threat and/or fear
>"Grinding social links" - Douglas is exceptionally good at making friends, by sympathising with people's plights and struggles.
>"Papa Bear" - Doug gives a shit about people. Specifically about them making it out alive. Both he and his persona are likely to take hits meant for squishier party members.
>"Old Detective" - Douglas has been a detective and then a PI for a long time, he's good at picking up on clues, and plying people for information.
>"Contacts" - Philemon may be contacted at any time (via Douglas), and may present offers, deals, help, or intel

Elaine:
>Don't die on me damn it! - Due to seeing many of her friends die before her eyes, she has gained the ability to bring people back to the brink life (1 hp) by sacrificing her own health.
>I HATE THE DARK! - Because of her fights with the undead and Ebon Night, Elaine has learned how to cast a Holy that seems to consecrate the area, causing constant damage to all evil and undead creatures within its borders.
>Aura of light - Elaine emits a curative and healing aura that affects all friendlies nearby her.
>"Remembrance of the Fallen" - Stricken by the loss of friends, Elaine's magics can reach farther than most to recover allies from the clutches of Death.
>"Make it in Time" - This determination combined with her Time Mage training grant Elaine the effects of Haste in combat.
>"It counts as healing, right?" - Elaine can heal sanity loss, can heal damage dealt to machines, can patch holes in physical structures, and even heal some reality distortions, much in the same way that she heals flesh.

>>17487364
VP-99:
>"The Path Less Traveled" - VP-99 is particularly adept at finding hidden passages and unused paths, or otherwise finding ways around that have the least amount of traffic.
>"Miraculous Survivor" - Whether it is luck, fate, or particularly good damage-avoidance protocols, this unit can (and has) survived where many other units have fallen, often unscathed.
>Treasure Hunter - This droid has miraculous luck when searching for equipment and treasure. When he is around, all treasure hunting goes far better than it would have otherwise.
>One bot's trash - When a mechanical units die around VP-99, it can loot their experience, memory, and parts, then integrate said parts into itself
>The droid you're looking for - VP-99 is adept at camouflage, disguise, and subterfuge. It can pass itself off as unremarkable, and perfectly normal, allowing it to stay stealthy even in plain sight.

Of course there's always the possibility of other options, no doubt someone will think of more. These are just the ones people already posted, along with a few of mine that are probably shit, but which will no doubt be argued over anyway.

I'd like to rephrase this one:
"How many pints of blood do you have?" - Constant trauma has proven him to be practically impossible to kill. Wounds that should outright kill a greater man all over the room, leave Spike merely weakened and bleeding, out of the fight but alive. He remains stable after even the most horrific wounds and can recover with proper medical treatment, generally passing out sometime after most people would be passing on.

>>17487412
I really like "One Bot's Trash". It may seem a little cruel and heartless, but it makes sure that no XP goes unused.

>>17487443
Also works. They end up being almost the same thing, but yours is a little more balanced. Small tweak though for grammar's sake.

>"How many pints of blood do you have?" - Constant trauma has proven him to be practically impossible to kill. Wounds that should outright splatter another man all over the room, leave Spike merely weakened and bleeding, out of the fight but alive. He remains stable after even the most horrific wounds and can recover with proper medical treatment, generally passing out sometime after most people would be passing on.

>>17487468
I'm trying to think of Snowball-effect things. Anything that makes a person stronger after each battle is going to prove its worth 10 times over.

I like these ones:
>"The Wheel of Fortune" - You don't survive this long without being at least a little lucky. If Spike is present, he may reroll 1 unfortunate circumstance per hour.
Because 1-10s, 1-10s everywhere
>"Da spirits say" - Tosh can telepathically talk and listen to a wider variety of things. Gods, shoggoths, the spirits of a place, the spirits of an item, perhaps even Magic itself if the setting allows it
More sources of information is always good.
>"Tell Him About the Twinkie" - Already well versed in the sciences and paranormal, Egon quickly picks up on varying versions of both from various Canons, both integrating new knowledge into his work and able to explain it in concepts that his fellows can understand.
Being able to put knowledge in people is very powerful.
>"Your Power is MINE" - Besides dark humor potential, she is adept at using the reality manipulating powers of others for her own purposes, while somehow not being tainted by them.
Cheryl is now a snowball of Mary Sue powers.

My current favorites.

VP-99 - "One bot's trash" and "Treasure Hunter"
Spike - "How many pints?" and "Wheel of Fortune"
Elaine - "It counts as healing, right?" and "Aura of Light"
Douglas - "Grinding Social Links" and "I already lost my son"
Cheryl - "A light in the darkness" and "Silent Survivor"
Egon - "Twinkie" and "Scholar"
Tosh - "Idea" and "Da Spirits say"

"Your Power is MINE" seems very overpowered. I don't think it'd be allowed, but it'd be very strong and a good choice.

I also like these ones:
>"Grinding social links" - Douglas is exceptionally good at making friends, by sympathising with people's plights and struggles.
Making your persona-user the party diplomat is a good way to make 1 skill work for 2 things.
>"I already lost my son" - When his friends are under threat, or in a state of fear and panic, the combat strength of Douglas and his Persona increase proportional to the level of threat and/or fear
Hard to choose between this and old detective, but if there's a situation where the command crew is pissing itself in fear, we'll be glad we took this.

>"Remembrance of the Fallen" - Stricken by the loss of friends, Elaine's magics can reach farther than most to recover allies from the clutches of Death.
Extra res is extra good.
>"It counts as healing, right?" - Elaine can heal sanity loss, can heal damage dealt to machines, can patch holes in physical structures, and even heal some reality distortions, much in the same way that she heals flesh.
Because combined with the first, we can resurrect mechs.

>One bot's trash - When a mechanical units die around VP-99, it can loot their experience, memory, and parts, then integrate said parts into itself
It's Jack from Katamari Damacy in bot form
>Treasure Hunter - This droid has miraculous luck when searching for equipment and treasure. When he is around, all treasure hunting goes far better than it would have otherwise.
Because Loot.

>>17487562
>Elaine - "It counts as healing, right?" and "Aura of Light"
Holy shit, the synergy.
The synergy, holy shit.

>>17487655
I had noticed. It would give an AOE heal that fixes nearly anything, including people, mecha, and even our droids.

>One Bot's Trash
"Bah. The Al'kesh is wrecked, Data's been killed, the Hyaku Shiki's totalled, but at least we killed the Terminator."

>>17487734
It just means that whenever we go up against robot enemies, we make sure that VP-99 is there, ready to cannibalise their remains. He will rip out their AI cores, and feast upon their processors in order to acquire their long-term memories.

>>17487734
Good news guys, we managed to kill Unicron.

>>17487769
Sounds like there's gonna be a backfire at some point, but it might still be worth it?

>>17487769
YOU ARE HUGE.
THAT MEANS YOU MUST HAVE HUGE INFORMATION.
RIP AND TEAR.
RIP AND TEAR YOUR INFORMATION.

So...do we have anything approaching consensus on what heroes we want to recruit?

>>17487884

Hero suggestions:
Rupert Giles - http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Rupert_Giles
Dr. Todd Lazkowicz - http://ovalkwiki.com/Doctor+Todd+Lazkowicz
Guy from Sanctum (Tech replacement for "The Mentor")
Agrias Oaks - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Agrias_Oaks
Mustadio - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Mustadio
PROXY - starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Proxy
Nikola Tesla (Atomic Robo)

In order of importance, Dr. Lazkowicz, Giles, Agrias, Proxy, Tesla, sanctum guy, and mustadio.

>>17487784
>>17487788
"Silence of the Diodes - VP-99's penchant for integrating (consuming) the vital components and self-identification routines of other droids and robots makes even the most stoic of AI's nervous and unsettled when under the calculating gaze of his optical scanners. Attempts to suborn or hack VP-99 by other AI's is usually doomed to failure, as well his own hacking and subversion protocols being unusually effective."

>>17487907
With the recruitment of the 3 Gurus, we probably don't need Giles as much.

>>17487930
True. I forgot about them. I'll update my list again. I've got a big-ass text file I've been updating since everyone else who posts the thing always add or remove a large number of heroes based on their favorite series.

>>17487907
>>17487930
>With the recruitment of the 3 Gurus, we probably don't need Giles as much
Point.

maybe bump him down a few, then.

>>17487907
>Rupert Giles
We have the Gurus, he isn't needed now.
>Dr. Todd Lazkowicz
Yes! More people back from the dead is good.
>Guy from Sanctum
More of a troop choice, really. Also, we already have the Antaeus for building defenses.
>Agrias Oaks
We're quite stacked for Melee fighters at the moment.
>Mustadio
A Gunman. A very good gunman, true, but a gunman - of which we have plenty.
>PROXY
Drone hero! Also training droid for training.
>Nikola Tesla
Brilliant, but insane. I mean, it's Nikola Tesla.

We could use a Party face / Diplomat.
We could use someone who oversees Manufacturing of our tech crap.
And, at this rate, we could also use someone who communes with the Dead. Either to pass on the XP of our fallen brothers, or to talk to canon natives who died while carrying information.

One of The Nameless One's incarnations is the complete and utter king of Party Face, and also serves as being able to commune with the dead.
For a Manufacturer, I'll try to think of someone who's not an inventor (we already have those), but rather someone who makes existing tech faster, cheaper, and easier to produce. Not sure who that would be.

>>17488175
Giles is Redundant. I removed him from my list.
Dr. Todd is very Important.
Sanctum guy was to keep the guy screaming "The Mentor" from bitching.
Agrias can multiclass as a white mage, plus has special elemental attacks. Also cheap due to Elaine and Lyla.
Mustadio is a genius with ancient tech from FFT. Would probably be cheap with Agrias.
PROXY, well you know why he's useful.
Nikolai Tesla isn't insane in that Canon. He's still got the brilliant though. He created a fully sentient AI in the 1930s in his universe.

Also, we can't get The Nameless One or any of his incarnations. He's either too important to canon, or too powerful.

Lists are being cleaned up and prepared for next thread. Anything anyone want to add to the recruit list or ability list before I make a new thread?
We autosage in 10 more posts, so we've got a few hours before it's time to put up a new one.

may I suggest giving VP-99 the nickname 'Niner', and vp-98 'Nate'?

>>17488175
>>17488231
Pretty much agree with these posts.

I'd probably put the order as:Dr. Todd, Agria, PROXY, Tesla (maybe swap those last 2 around), Giles.

I know nothing about guy from sanctum, nor Mustadio, so I didn't list them.

Yes, I know Giles is redundant, but having more researchers is always good.

Newest thread here.
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>>17488175
>>17488231
I'd still vote for Giles, he's an expert at researching magic and supernatural, he's the one to help us find/develop the right spell and/or discover the weakness that we need to defeat the monster of the week.

The Gurus are high-tier techno-magical _crafters_. The techno-wizards we were looking to recruit would become their the assistants in Magical Engineering.

GUYS.

FEED THE SECURITON PLANS INTO THE ANATEUS. If we can upgrade them with any other tech you can think of, TELL US SO NOW.

>>17494485
Doesn't quite work that easily, but we at least need to get the specs into the system for the repair beam.