>>21720746
Australia- Discovered some new power source and used it to survive Soviet invasion by moving south to a massive, cloaked, technocratic city. Now seeking to leave.

Britain- Conquered by the Nazi's, and now the entire nation is reduced to a giant submarine, where population is strictly controlled. It is protected by the Fae pact between an illusionist and Queen Elizabeth, so that the heart of the Empire would never die.

Finland- Described as "The Veitnam of the Soviets", also possibly finnish ghost warriors.

China-Nothing clear here. Either conquered by the Soviets, or an ally. If conquered, then likely to have Geomancer style freedom fighters guarding the descent of the emperor or something. If Soviet allied, likely something else entirely given all the cultural revolution stuff.

India- Some back and forth here. Sikhs and Hinduism mentioned alot. Warrior who damn themselves to a lower rung on the cycle of reincarnation to fight, and possibly Ghandi leading the resistance with Demon-Banishing powers and nonviolence that turns the stomachs of the demon-run Nazi machinery.

Japan- Again, little to nothing. Some want giant robots, others want shintoist stuff. We know the place is guarded by an eternal wall of Hurricanes, the Kamikaze. I personally vote for pseudo-shinto sun worship myself, given that Shinto was a state religion revived by the powers at that time, so why not run with it?

Jewish Resistance- We're not even sure if there's any of these guys left. Could be a subdued resistance movement, we don't know. I know there's been talk of Khabbalistic Magic, Golems, and somebody once brought up "Khabbala cyberspace"

So then guys. Let's get this show on the road.

Also, presumably the "current day" is congruent with the real world. Or atleast early 2000's

>>21720746
>>21720752
More on the way or is this it?

>Current consensus is that you can play this with Dark Heresy rules, and Barrack Obama (see pic), a great Soviet leader, will be your Inquisitor.

Forgot that.

Barrack Obama, in this setting, is a promising young General of the American Red Army, seeking to drive the Nazi's from the American continent once and for all, probably using specialist teams and drone strikes, thus, the Dark Heresy system use.

North America is in an uneasy truce, but conflict is all over South America and Africa.

>>21720825
Yeah I'm done. That should be all the factions we've talked about.

>>21720752
There was something done on S.America, Japan and China

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/14948908/

This was the last thread about it, and there was talk about changing the name to something less generic

>>21720890
>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/14948908/
thanks, adding it to the wiki.

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>>21720890
So basically what it was decided was:

Japan - Using their ancestors spirits to powerup their weapons. Lots of Suicide Tactics

China - Cheap Soviet Clones vs NotSoCheap Nazi Clones

S. America - Nazi & Soviet Battleground with the Amazon Forest becoming sentient and fucking with everyone who is trying to fuck with her

Afrika - Something about Gorillas

This was one of my first homebrews that i read about, so i always had a soft spot about it

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>>21720951

>>21721227
Well let's focus on Constitutionalists. In the first thread they're all made from a combination of Soviet tech and Nazi magic.

That's -cool-. But let's face it. Nazi's magics never had anything to do with raising the living dead.

So? Voodoo. They're in the middle of the US right? So we got New Orleans and the Mississippi one one end, and the Rockies on the other, that'd be a good place to put the "Constitutionalist Badlands" or whatever.

>>21720951
Can you go edit the wiki to use this please? I'll throw it in eventually, but trying to go through the previous threads

Throwing out ideas:
1) King Arthur? He Back? Britania is in pretty dire straights after all.

2) How badass do Japanese ancestor-powered stuff get? Are we talking soldiers with katana capable of chopping battleships in half? Or just cutting bullets before they hit?

>>21722021
Well the thing with India never seems to have been gotten into much.

How do the Divas and avatars work? And where's Ghandi for WWII?

>>21720746
Constitutionalists- All that remains of the US. Using Ben Franklin's ghost listening radio thing, and Voodoo magic from New Orleans, the >Constitutionalists are a nation of the living dead, ruled by god like Death Lords made from the resurrected bodies of presidents, who are empowered by those that believe in them.

There is no part of that i dont like.

>>21723290
I know right?

Can you imagine the founding fathers, not just fused with belief, but some weird voodoo stuff too, baron samedi meets Abraham lincoln craziness.

W-what about Canada?

I figure the vast expanse and mineral wealth would serve as a pillar for the soviet's war economy, while the population is forced to labor in a colossal primary sector.

bamp?

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>>21720837
>>Barrack Obama, in this setting, is a promising young General of the American Red Army...

Headquartered in Hawaii of course. I'm just going to spit-ball here. Comrade General Barack Hussein Obama is not just a rising star, he is a Great Hero of The Soviet Union. His innovative tactics and Five Year Plans have broken a decades long stalemate. The phrase Obamunism is on the lips of all Moscowites and not entirely in a joking way.

Everyone knows the story of Comrade Obama. Born in Soviet liberated Kenya, educated at the finest universities. All see him as a player, a minority of the catspaw of one of the Union Mind. Lenin probably, perhaps Trotsky.

None know the truth. Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Kansas to a Constitutionalist and smuggled to Kenya as part of a long-game.

>>21723670
I like the idea of the reds going after it for its minerals. What if they tried to take it, but the resistance (bear mounted cavalry) was significant enough to force a nuclear purge of much of the region, shrouding the northern reaches in an eternal nuclear winter. The Canadian people, or what were once the Canadian people are now little more than ravening monstrosities roaming the frozen radioactive wastes left with only enough humanity to recognize the extent of their loss and to turn that knowledge into rage. The few Soviet establishments in the region, there to attempt to get at the mineral wealth still present in the region, are fortress cities constantly beset by twisted horrors that seem to stream never ending from the frost-encrusted wasteland.

>>21724146
I like this already.

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>>21724251
Soviet liberated Kenya then? Fortunately it's on Africa's west coast so the Red Navy can reach it from the Persian Gulf without crossing the Nazi-controlled Atlantic. Looks like the Mid-East is under Soviet control.

Two things. What the hell is Submersible Albion up to? Just hiding out in the Marianas Trench? The Elizabeth-thing should have a bigger influence in her former colonies.

False and vile rumors that Comrade General Obama was actually born in Kansas are probably not unknown. They are dismissed as the rantings of lunatics who insist this exemplary Hero of the People has a hidden colonialist and capitalist agenda.

>>21724238
Bear Cavalry still needs to be a thing though, so not a complete nuclear purge.

>>21724238
>I like the idea of the reds going after it for its minerals. What if they tried to take it, but the resistance (bear mounted cavalry) was significant enough to force a nuclear purge of much of the region, shrouding the northern reaches in an eternal nuclear winter. The Canadian people, or what were once the Canadian people are now little more than ravening monstrosities roaming the frozen radioactive wastes left with only enough humanity to recognize the extent of their loss and to turn that knowledge into rage. The few Soviet establishments in the region, there to attempt to get at the mineral wealth still present in the region, are fortress cities constantly beset by twisted horrors that seem to stream never ending from the frost-encrusted wasteland.
What if Canada is a giant testing ground for both sides? So you have radioactive demon monsters wandering, with nomadic bands of Yukonics with their sturdy Bear Mounts moving to avoid the worst of the Rad Storms.

Okay, so the Middle East is, I'd think, a massive turbulent battle ground. The problem is the Arab tribes, who, let's face it, are going to fight every step of the way, and are the only guys who are truly capable of fighting properly in the penensula. The region is so incredibly unstable that both powers are able to move through them with relative ease.

Could also just be that they reached that side through China, swinging around India. I imagine that the Himalayas are a giant "fortress bulkward" between the Nazi's southern Asia, and the Russian northern asia.

Africa is actually fairly united in this time line by necessity. Place got it's act together FAST without the coldwar pulling crazy shit, and the other powers more worried about one another than it. When Nazis and Soviets finally tried to invade, they were met with stiff resistance in the form of animal bonds, and strange genetically manipulated animal forms. Now, Africa is run by strange magic mixed with biological sciences. War Elephants the size of Soviet super tanks, and Hyenas with reinforced bones and jaws capable of ripping into demon-forged steel. Central Africa is safe, but the coast lines are all but dominated by invaders on all sides, or rendered outright uninhabitable.

>>21724567
>Huge Canadian Zone
>Mutated Seals, Moose, Bears
>Fucking Sasquatches and Yetis
>Anomalies and artifacts that the Soviets can research to give themselves an edge

Glorious lawsuit fuel

>>21724442
>Two things. What the hell is Submersible Albion up to? Just hiding out in the Marianas Trench? The Elizabeth-thing should have a bigger influence in her former colonies.

The former commonwealth has, by and large, been obliterated. Aryan shock troopers and demon-melds occupy much of what was once part of the glorious British Empire. Ethinic cleansings happen often in such areas, but in others there is a stern defense.

New Albion provides advanced supplies, medical support, and magical assistance to those it can. The scrying and divination technology of the Queen is second to none, allowing such a massive ship, when combined with their "Glamors" gifted by the Fae-Souled Queen, to avoid detection and strike where it is least likely to be hit.

Fuck... did Albion just become an Eldar Craftworld?

>>21724652
good thing this sucker is almost automatically creative commons and that means they can't touch us :P

also where does Mexico fit? Independent power? Stooge to one of the greater powers?

Suggestion for China; they try to replicate free murrka's voodoo magicks and accidentally unleash an undead plague on their unsuspecting populations, spreading a zombie apocalypse through India and Indonesia and so forth

>>21724708
Insanely powerful drug cartel

Possesses an army of chemically enhanced, Bane-type supersoldiers ready to do anything for their next dose

>>21724688
They've pretty much always been an Eldar craftworld, if you think about it. It's just been disguised because of their overwhelming and exaggerated Britishness. Pretty much everything is a parody of the country it's based on, taken to an amusing extreme.

>>21724708
As I recall, the Constitutionalists, believing in the Monroe Doctrine, are attempting to conquer both American continents to drive out both the Nazis and Soviets. Mexico is a giant battleground between the three players on the American front, given that the American heartland is an irradiated hellhole that only undead can safely exist in.

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Hey, you want to know who'd make a good human face for the Constitutionalist Founders? Bob Dole. Bob Dole was born in Kansas and knows about sacrifice. Bob Dole lost his hand fighting the Axis. Bob Dole's loyal. In another timeline he took a dive in '76 as Ford's veep candidate. Bob Dole took another dive in '96 against Clinton. Bob Dole's a soldier, always steps up. Always sacrifices. Never complains.

The Founders are going to need a human face for the United States of America. That's what the Constitutionalists still call themselves. Not Bob Dole's idea, that comes from The Founders.

Bob Dole's available. Think about Bob Dole. I gave my hand up for you, I'm just asking for some consideration in return. Bob Dole!

>>21724467
Nuclear purge doesn't need to disinclude bear calvary.

Some men tried to hide from the bombs in the same places as bears. It didn't work. The radiation changed both of them, fusing their bodies and minds into uncontrollable, intelligent, predatory, BEAR CENTAURS.

>>21724793
fuck.

fund it.

what about french canada then

>>21724730
>Possesses an army of chemically enhanced, Bane-type supersoldiers ready to do anything for their next dose
complete with Lucador Masks?

>>21724887
Of course.

And battle sombreros.

>>21724844
>french canada
I... I don't know..

Constitutionalists---> Source of power? Perhaps crude oil or developed new method for oil mixed with voodoo? Since they're undead, they should have unstable and ruthless tactics/machinery, despite their patriotic nobility

>>21724911
oh goddamn it...

>Crude Oil = Liquid Dead Dinosaurs
>Liquid Dead Dinosaurs + Voodoo Zombie Magic
>???
>Profit

>>21724910
almost completely docile

largely unsuccessful resistance whose biggest achievement is to topple a bunch of statues

communism is enforced with an iron first by Commissary Duplessis

don't need to go in depth about it given the scale of the setting to be honest

>>21724911
Why not labor? You get endless legions of undead "prisoners of war" turning big ass gear formations and turnstiles with unending stamina, the gears and linkages making magnets spin with ENORMOUS speed to create alternating current?

>>21724941
>Liquid Dead Dinosaurs + Voodoo Zombie Magic

It would make sense, seeing that Constitutionalists revolve around resurrection of dead things. all in favour of voodoo undead prehistorics as bulk?

>>21724977

Remember: they still is 'mericans with freedom values

>>21724987
>gigantic petroleum T-Rex
>bullets just fly through it
>if blown apart it just re-assembles or fuses with another petrol dinosaur

>>21725009
Yes, but we're not talking about citizens! We're talking about the mindless zombies made from raising the Soviet and Nazi scum.

>>21724987
>>21725015
also gives us a reason for the Constitutionalists to get in on the wars over Oil (the primary source of conflict as I recall beyond ideology)

The Founding Fathers are immensely powerful, but so alien and erratic that they aren't controllable.

Therefor, call down the thunder in the form of petrol dinos. No tanks for Americans. They are all massed legions of the dead, either in petrol or fleshy form.

>>21725015

that would explain why they're so dam difficult to get rid of by the current superpowers. they would just keep growing within their boundries

>>21725048
bam it all ties in

Motion passed on Crude Oil Dinos it is.

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just an insight into the badass motion passed

>>21725123
also seeing that constitutionalists are also undead, Crude oil undead dinos go for alive people aka everybody else

so guys i had an idea since i`m reading this and its batshit as hell:
would it make sense for a nordic city to exist of neo vikings personally led by odin?

>>21725265
Hmmm.... You know, there was talk about the Canadians and Nordic guys moving up into the Arctic.

Interestingly, the Nordic people would be the ones best treated, blond hair and blue eyes and all that.

>>21725283
>Interestingly, the Nordic people would be the ones best treated, blond hair and blue eyes and all that.
Kidnapping resistant nordics who fit their specifications to use for eugenics breeding stock? Or too squick even for our little hellish world we're building?

>>21725283
Greenland populated by Canadian survivors and scandinavian refugees

Peacefully coexist with the Beartaur population, plan their invasion to retake the Americas

Aided by actual Valkyries, who skew the odds of battle in their favor through favoritism

>>21725306
Nazi rape factories? Hell yes.

Since Japan appears to be on the fence, I shall input my suggestion.

Naval superpower with Shinto magical kamikazes and SO MUCH HONORABRU. they basically go around, find random enemy ships, summon up storms and turn the sea against them, smoothly sail up, board and katana everything to death.

Guys, would it be okay if I was to think up of some stuff for Vietnam?

Namely due to the history of Vietnam, they'd probably be the Soviet Union's lap dogs for South Eat Asia, China, and Japan along with India allowing the Soviet Union to focus more on taking out the Nazis.

Vietnam had a history with China to the point they'd most likely ally with anyone who guarantees that they can take on China and beat the shit out of them.

Example being the war that followed after Vietnam fought against the US, they had to go up against China and I think Laos, and ended up taking control of Laos, and destroying around, once again I think, 600 Chinese tanks, when China sent in only 200.

In addition, they'd most be "unable" to support China in case of Japanese raids and attacks on China, due to them both hating China with a passion.

So possibly they could be a hybrid of Mao's China/Soviet Union tech and weapons charged with keeping an eye on the lower parts of Asia serving as spies/guard dogs.

In addition, they loot the fuck out of anything they find, Nazi, Indian, Soviet, Japanese, and Chinese. They did this in every damn war they been in so most likely they'd do it in here.

>>21725529
>destroyed 600 chinese tanks
>china only sent 200

...gary motherfucking oak...

>>21725529
Alright, I checked and my figures were off.

China sent in 400 tanks and Vietnam destroyed them all and an extra 20. Vietnam lost only 187 tanks.

China sent in 400,000 men and lost 37,000.
Vietnam sent in 10,000 supported by 150,000 militia men and lost 32,000 men.

The war only lasted a month, this included Vietnam invading and taking over Cambodia. China was also supporting Cambodia and both countries fought Vietnam, Vietnam only receiving some supplies from the Soviet Union.

This was right after the Vietnam War with the US.

>>21725449
>Naval superpower with Shinto magical kamikazes and SO MUCH HONORABRU. they basically go around, find random enemy ships, summon up storms and turn the sea against them, smoothly sail up, board and katana everything to death.
you, I like you.

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>>21725760
>For Jewish guys, since we all agree golem making freedom fighters is too good to pass up.

I'm imaging a ruined Jerusalem, pillaged by war after war running over the Middle East. They lay in the catacombs and sewers. In Europe, they hide where no one looks. Ancient castles in the Alps, forgotten by all, under the sewers, hiding their golems and torrahs in the blood gutters that run under the demon-fueled Nazi cities, hiding their lineage and beliefs, pretending to be one of the non-aryan underclass.

Hiding in the dark places, the forgotten places. Terrible raids, bombing runs, golem squads rampage through the streets, carefully crafted over long periods of time, hiding the magic from the Mageocrat's detection wards through tiny increases in size and craft over months and years.

The Khabbalists have learned to hide, oh yes. And now, now, they come ever closer to building the name of god, the true name intoned on the temple mount, before the ark of the covenant. Perhaps then, with God's true name on their lips, they may banish the demons that scourged them from the face of the earth.

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>>21725933
another picture. TINY GOLEMS!

They are hidden in alleys, sewers, carved into walls when no one watches, a tiny spark of life magic put into them, they watch, they listen, sending their reports back along a Kabbalistic network of magic to the hub. They also tap into the demon-networks of the Nazi's, and even the communist electronic internet when they have pressing need, allowing the Jewish resistance to "hack" their foes.

>>21725933
Didn't Japan during WWII accepted Jewish refugees who were running from the Nazis?

I could have sworn the reasoning for this was that they thought the Jews would only screw over white Christians and due to them having good business senses.

But this idea I like.

>>21725940
So easily these little golems make their way into the homes and workplaces of Nazi officials. Crafted with a veneer to look like a troll or little Aryan knight, they are bought as souvenirs in shady alleyways throughout Europe. Strange that so many of those who buy them seem to fall ill and die slow, agonizing deaths...

>>21725945
>Didn't Japan during WWII accepted Jewish refugees who were running from the Nazis?
Works for me. I imagine noncombatant Jews finding places everywhere.

Even with the constitutionalists. IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE CONSTITUTION! YOU WILL NOT PERSECUTE A MAN FOR HIS RELIGION! Yet more reasons to hate the Nazis!

>>21726017
granted they'd not be full citizens, what with the whole "living" thing, but there's nothing that says you HAVE to take up the social contract of equality through death.

Sounds like the Nazis are holding on, but losing.

Makes sense. The Nazis are mystics and mysticism is found in ancient tomes. A limited resource. There are only so many ancient tomes out there.

All the other powers are fueled by gonzo SCIENCE! And science has no limitations. Every discovery just opens up further questions, more experiments and new discoveries. Repeat.

So what, the Nazis are just holding on while their empire gets chipped away? Do they have a Fimbulwinter spell in reserve they are using to threaten the Soviets and any nation thought to be getting help from Sub Albion? Do they even have the spell they claim to have or is it a bluff?

>>21725760
>Works for me. I imagine noncombatant Jews finding places everywhere.
So let's get this straight.

We have Shinto/Ancestor magic SUPER HONORABRU Japanese right?

They call upon the Divine Wind and their ancestors to kick ass and take names. The Divine Wind is called down by full Shintoist priests, and Japan has thwarted invasion after invasion due to the eternal hurricanes that lock their island nation. These Hurricanes only abate to let lose raiding parties to attack Soviet and Chinese settlements.

When fighting, their warriors show incredible prowess with their traditional weaponry, the blades and their own bodies imbued with their ancestral spirits giving them strength. The only requirement for calling upon an ancestral spirit is a direct blood line relation. The best equipped warriors have dozens of ancestor spirits imbuing their bodies and blades, giving them their collective skill and knowledge of battle. For the strongest, it is a simple thing to slice even a full Nuclear Super Battleship in two with but a swing of their sword.

In China, Chiang Kai-shek's Teracotta soliders are not all he has at his disposal. Geomancers align the earth to channel it's energies into great works of magic, to fuel the Clay-Fires that make their armies. They read cracks in shells for Hexagramic riddles to piece together the future. Amongst his living soldiers, are the Tao masters and their students, following the methods of perfecting their bodies into deadly instruments. Amongst his greatest warriors there is Bruce Lee, who learned under the equally renown veteran of the Japanese invasions before the Soviets pushed them back, Yip Man.

>>21726034
Oh no, their first spells were, but they study new magics every day, making bloody sacrifices by culling prisoners of war and their lowest classes.

They torture and cajol the secrets of magic from the throats of the demons they summon, and then force slave-mages to test them to ensure nothing awry happens, and even when it does, they find ways to pervert it to their cause.

Slave-mages are killed by long range sniper after they successfully test, they are given the single spell to learn, and nothing else, so they can never be a threat. They are the nonaryans with a knack for the arcane, but are obviously unworthy to be permitted to otherwise practice it.

>>21725945
The reason I read was because a Japanese colonel read anti-Semitic propaganda and took the completely wrong message from it. He thought that random penniless jews would have connections in the secret world-spanning jewish conspiracy, and so Japan's economic development would benefit from having them there.

It was totally stupid, but despite this, he has his name carved on the monument in Israel for the various people who saved jews in WW2.

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>>21725449

This, only

>katana everything with moderately giant robots

Those armored guys from Gasaraki immediately come to mind.

Has any one fluffed Australia's governing body yet?

Because I have an idea that it is governed by a two party system of logical AI and emotional wetware AI that form two hemispheres of an overmind.

Also who are the major players in the pacific and what are their relations to eachother cause with Japan and Australia being small powers I could see them being loose allies which could explain japan having mechs as Australia seems to have the tech.

also for the mexican drug lords why don't we say that They make massive kidnapings from all the factions they can as offerings, to resurrect the old gods, for favors and wepons, all with the hearts and blood of their victims.

>>21726206
Nah, forget giant robots.

They disdain the methods used by the Soviets and Nazis. THEY HAVE NO NEED OF DISHONORABRU MACHINES! THEY HAVE THEIR SWORDS AND THEIR ANCESTORS! WHAT MORE DO THEY NEED!

>>21726563
I've actually wondered about this. The Australians sound tech advanced, but based on MAD SCIENCE rather than on actual science like the Soviets probably use (EG: inspiration and craziness v. scientific method)

As for the mechs, yeah, just don't like it. I imagine the Japanese have moderately advanced technology, but disdain it's use except where absolutely necessary. Faster ships sure, armor for their ships, sure. But otherwise their goal is to get close to enemy ships and board them, then drag them back to be repurposed. Australia's BIG thing is that they stay hidden. They're ghosts, sending out spec ops teams to gather materials and information for themselves until they can make the launch for the moon. They might have relations with Free Britannia though.

>>21728624
Makes sense, better sense than the sacrifical being in South America. The Aztecs were in Mexico and Central America, north of the Yucatan. The Mayans (or the remnants of their civilization) were badass warriors who had fought off Cortez and in general were keeping the Aztecs from going south. Most of the human sacrifice was Aztec, not Mayan or Inca stuff (though both practiced it, but only for incredibly special occasions, rather than, like, every other day).

Maybe the Drug Cartels have recreated the War of Flowers? They by and large use nonlethal weaponry against their opponents and one another, dragging them back. Advancement in the ranks depends on how many sacrifices you have brought back (in the original war of the flowers, you started out with just a club and a loincloth, and worked your way up)

>>21726206
>>21729659
>Nah, forget giant robots.

well let's not be hasty. How big are we talking? Cause if we're talking "Tau Battle Suit Sized" then that could make sense. So long as it's actually more over sized power armor than a true mech.

Okay, constitutionalist society.

The list of ammendments to the constitution? Do they remain the same? When did the invasion of the US occur?

22nd-27th Amendments are the ones that are least likely to have been enacted.
-Presidents can have more than 2 terms
-D.C. would have no representatives in the electoral college
-Poll taxes wouldn't be banned
-Presidential Succession, the Tyler Precedent, would remain uncodified and unofficial.
-Voting age not reduced to 21
-laws on congressional salary can become effective immediately, rather than having to wait till the next session of congress.

Those are the biggies. The major precedents, the right to vote for men and women alike, the repeal of prohibition, were all enacted well before the US got involved in WWII

>>21730319
>The list of ammendments to the constitution? Do they remain the same? When did the invasion of the US occur?
forgot to give them dates.
#: Proposal Date - Enactment Date
22nd: March 24, 1947 - February 27, 1951
23rd: June 16, 1960 - March 29, 1961
24th: September 14, 1962 - January 23, 1964
25th: July 6, 1965 - February 10, 1967
26th: March 23, 1971 - July 1, 1971
27th: September 25, 1789 - May 7, 1992

>>21730400
For that matter, does Eisenhower get elected? He's not the warhero of WWII anymore in our setting, so I don't see how he could have been, unless it was a case of he got elected after successfully leading the defense of the nation against the initial Soviet and Nazi incursions?

>>21725018
IIRC being a member of the undead is actually the highest honour you can achieve. I think that might only apply to the sentient undead like the Founding Fathers
But I don't see why you couldn't have Romero shamblers used as slave labour

>>21729679
Can I suggest power armour? I know samurai power armour is over done, but hear me out.
If someone challenges them to a duel of honour, an officer or captain of the ship, the Samurai is obliged to turn off the power suit, and fight sword to sword as his ancestors did

>>21730569
>Can I suggest power armour? I know samurai power armour is over done, but hear me out.
>If someone challenges them to a duel of honour, an officer or captain of the ship, the Samurai is obliged to turn off the power suit, and fight sword to sword as his ancestors did
ehnnnn... I think that "power armor" shouldn't actually be armor.

What if it was the spirits of their ancestors given form? Each piece of armor is a different ancestor. The strength of convinction of that ancestor determines the strength of that armor.

Given that you can only use ancestors who are your direct blood line, this would mean only those of the most prestigeous and honorable veteran warrior blood lines would have quality armor.

If no one has suggested this yet, allow me.

It's obvious what Elizibeth is doing. She's preparing a ritual, to call her friends back. And little boys and girls have already started disappearing, all over the world.

For the US, I imagine that it's kinda like:
(from lowest rank to highest)
-Brainless Zombies of Enemies, refered to as "Prisoners of War" who are the vast majority of the populace at this point. They barely even qualify on the list, being more property.

-The Living who are not "Born Citizens" of the USA. Refugees, immigrants, etc.etc. They can work in the cities, ply their trades, etc.etc. but they're unlikely to be given the Equality of Death, and have strict rules on where they can move, since there's enormous risk they could be Soviet or Communist spies

-Born Living Citizens: These are people who are born to the USA. They have the right to earn Equality Through Death, but there are strict qualifications for doing so (for example, all Living are expected to produce at least one child, a replacement for themselves should they die.) They earn their way through acts of valor for the Constitutionalists, either through spy work, trade, or other things.

-Full Citizens: Those who have earned the right to be zombified. You can earn this right, but you may not take the procedure until you produce a child. Unfortunately, this process is greatly slowed by the lack of advanced technology amongst the Constitutionalists. Invitro fertilization and sperm and egg storage are almost impossible in most necropoli, but stringent laws prevent any form of Eugenics program from cropping up (we're not those fucking Nazis). EG: Unless you willing produce a child with another person, you have to wait until you find such a person. One of the parents is USUALLY required to remain living for the duration of raising the child, but this has been waived in extenuating circumstances. This is the primary block for most of the Constitutionalist's "living" from becoming Full Citizens

>>21731231
-The Elected: Those from the Full Citizen class who are voted for by their peers become members of the Elected. These are anything from mayors, to senators, etc.etc.

-The Mummified Representatives: No one remembers when the practice started, but it has become traditional for members of the House of Representatives to bandage themselves as mummies, if not undergo the full mummification rituals of Ancient Egypt.

-The Senator-Liches: The Senator Lichs are the members of the House of Representatives, and hold the vast majority of power in each of the districts. Governors and state level reps and senators are mostly bureaucratic managers. The states exist only in name at this time, with the Federal Offices holding the vast majority of the power, and the Senator-Liches most of all, given that they are changed out far less often than the Mummified Representatives.

-Mr. President: Chosen, as the constitution demands, by the Electoral College (comprised of members of the Elected). Elections are held every year. Unlike in our timeline, few people actually know who the President is around election time, much like in the original colonial America. They're too busy working to survive. For this reason, the Electoral College actually serves it's original purpose, you elect somebody you trust to make the intelligent decision, and they vote for you.

Has Zombie Nikola Tesla made an appearance yet? Can his arch-nemesis be traitorous Nazi Edison?

>>21720746
So... can I get Romney as a FARC rebel?

>>21731304
The Past Presidents: There have been many presidents in the past, their abilities and their legends and myths known throughout the American Mythology. Some are great, others are all but forgotten, but all the Past Presidents are beings of alien, and incredibly power. The least of them capable of taking on entire soviet nuclear-armor companies, or Nazi demon hordes. The lesser Past Presidents are little more than mindless machines, the personifications of their legends, animated by Voodoo and other necromancy, vessels for the belief of those around them.

The Founding Fathers: Though technically, this only refers to the fathers of the Revolution, who universally, no matter how well they are actually known, are beings of Elderitch Might, the sheer force of the Constitutionalists belief in the American Revolution empowering anyone who had been associated with it (anyone with their name on the Declaration of Independence of the Constitution is a freaking demi-god of undead might), it also includes the greatest and most powerful of the Past Presidents, such a Abraham Lincoln, and Andrew Jackson. Where lesser past presidents might be refered to by their actual name, no one refers to the Founding Fathers by theirs. They are a title, a personification so potent that it echos with belief and power and might enough to warp space and time, and pull back even the personality of these long dead presidents.

>>21731308
>Has Zombie Nikola Tesla made an appearance yet? Can his arch-nemesis be traitorous Nazi Edison?
this sounds amazing.

>>21731304
>-Mr. President: Chosen, as the constitution demands, by the Electoral College (comprised of members of the Elected). Elections are held every year. Unlike in our timeline, few people actually know who the President is around election time, much like in the original colonial America. They're too busy working to survive. For this reason, the Electoral College actually serves it's original purpose, you elect somebody you trust to make the intelligent decision, and they vote for you.
Hey? What if the President ALWAYS had to be one of the living? The only office a living member could hold. All the other restrictions applied. He must die naturally though. The reason? Because when he dies naturally, they will resurrect him as a past president. The first of these "Living Presidents" the one who united the midwest and made the first real strikes against the Nazi's and soviets, establishing Constitutionalists Borders at the Rockies and the Mississippi, became a Founding Father in power level.

>>21731396
Now I'm imagining Roosevelt punching his way through hordes of Nazis, Alucard style.

Roosevelt concentrates his magics into increasing his already formidable might.

>>21731396
You know what I think about George Washington? The First?

He should not just be the asskicking demigod he was in myth and legend. He should retain a large part of his personality. Of all the Founding Fathers, he is the most terrible, yet the most sane of their kind. He established the Presidential Precedents, he chose the title Mr. President, and of all the Founding Fathers, he refuses to believe in himself as a god.

No, he sees himself as a simple man, a resurrected man maybe, but a simple one never the less. He knows he breaks even the loyal with his presence, and he reserves his speech because of it, speaking only a few calm words to those he feel most deserve it. Whenever he is not needed, he secludes himself on the radioactive surface, on tilled ground, growing potatoes, as he did in life, and killing any Nazi or Soviet Sonufabitch who dares intrude into his sight.

>>21731478
makes sense. George Washington was an incredibly humble man. Read his biography, guy was FUCKING BORING.

You know what he was good at? Above all else? Keeping his men alive. Nothing else mattered. If he had to choose between saving lives in order to keep the revolutionary army together and retreating, he'd always save those lives.

Guy only became president because he was NOMINATED. That was it, and he turned down the third consecutive election, refused to run.

He was the one who refused to wear military garb while in office.

He was the one, when presented a list of titles by Jefferson (who wasn't able to decide on how to address the president formally, and had narrowed it down to 3 names), said that "Your majesty, and your excellency are both for posers. Mr. President will do."

He was the one, when the whiskey rebellions broke out, got back on his horse and just asked for volunteers to help put it back down. Because his country needed him again.

He was the one who tried to free his slaves earlier into his life, but his step children blocked it by suing him. It wasn't until he died and his last will and testament stated, without question, that all his slaves, without exception, were to be given their freedom and be paid a modest sum so they could actually begin living proper lives, knowing that NO ONE would go against the Will of George motherfucking Washington.

He also repeatedly tried to block the attempts at deification. Look at protraits of him, halos, greek god like bodies, all kinds of insane shit. When he saw "Washington's Tomb" listed on the White House plans he said "Fuck no" and made sure that he was buried next to his first wife.

>>21731552
>He also repeatedly tried to block the attempts at deification. Look at protraits of him, halos, greek god like bodies, all kinds of insane shit. When he saw "Washington's Tomb" listed on the White House plans he said "Fuck no" and made sure that he was buried next to his first wife.
little ironic he's Red White and Blue Cthulu now isn't it?

>>21731428
Nikola Tesla has become a formidable weapon of Americans. His body crackling with electrical energy, he works ceaselessly in his grand laboratory-city 'Endeavour' (gifted to him after the countering a Edison-led attack on the capital), his army of zombie servants churning out Tesla rifles and Tesla Cannons for the armies of the Constitutionalists, while the man himself works on secret projects deep within the city's catacombs.

Tesla, when appearing publicly appears much as he did in life, smartly dressed and well kept. But, his eyes crackle with electrical power. When angered, generally at the mention of Edison's name, electricity leaps from his body. While not harmful, machines near him cower at his fury, lights dimming and radios whining.

>>21731643
Edison was originally american though TOO...

But he was a pure business man. Bet he could have been bought off with Nazi demon immortality.

Remember, Tesla v. Edison was something around WW I ish, not WWII, though they both were present for both I believe.

Also Tesla died before the Nazi's invaded the US I think...

unless somebody went FRANKENSTEIN on Tesla?

>>21731643
Tesla has been called to battle, mostly against the thrice-cursed Edison, he wears a large iron suit, layered with copper (think Iron Man, but no paint and tesla coils on the back). He channels his electrical power, frying demon-machines that serve his nemesis and deflecting bullets with the magnetic field surrounding him. His ability to cow machines has proved useful previously, causing Soviet mechs to cower before his thunderous gaze, completely independent from their driver's actions. This has led to Soviets indoctrinating /tanks/ before sending them against the Constitutionalists, so his powers have become limited. He also cannot battle for too long, with extended battle leaving him drained, requiring him to recharge from downed machines. Ultimately, he must return to his Inner Sanctum, to perform whatever strange rites that occur their, not appearing for months at a time. Of course, he does this anyway, but in times of recharging, his various aides have to follow his protocols and their own intuition, instead of his clipped orders, arriving by carrier pigeon from the various vents around Endeavour

>>21731696
Probably had a note on him when he died: If I am found in need of ressurection, please assemble the design on the blueprint in my other pocket. Unless you are Edison, then this cadaver will explode in 10 second from you reading this message.

>>21731696
Spirits of electricity, bro.
Also who is for a part demon, part machine body for Edison, with only his preserved brain left.

>>21731968
Edison should also kidnap brilliant minds from other powers, removing their brains and putting them into slave robot bodies. His greatest goal? To loot and pillage Australia! He's seen the equipment their commandos wield and he simply cannot reverse engineer it, too complicated

>>21732020
He's want Tesla's brain, then?

>>21732063
Of course. What sweeter victory over his ancient enemy could there be except for taking his undead rival's brain and slaving it into one of his Robotic Lab assistants, knowing that Tesla will forever more be bound to plot out equations and write out ideas for Edison and Edison alone, never credited for his work ever again.

>>21732094
>>21732063
>>21732020
>>21731968
>>21731939
>>21731835
>>21731696

Can we just agree everything else in this setting is background for Edison vs Tesla?

>>21732094
Fucking Edison.
Tesla Armed Commandos trying to steal the captured Science-Slaves to help in Endeavour?
Any encounter between Tesla and Edison should just become them shouting at each other.
"EDISOOOON!"
"TESSSLAAAAA!"
"EDISSSOOOOON!"
"TEEESSLAAAAAA!"

>>21732128
Lets not steal the limelight! How developed is New Albion? I also propose King Arthur has risen again and is sabotaging the Nazi war machine, armed with nothing but Excalibur and his armour. Of course, a meeting between him and Queen Fae Elizabeth shouldn't end well.

>>21732205
>Lets not steal the limelight! How developed is New Albion? I also propose King Arthur has risen again and is sabotaging the Nazi war machine, armed with nothing but Excalibur and his armour. Of course, a meeting between him and Queen Fae Elizabeth shouldn't end well.

I also favor Arthur, rising up from the hidden misty isle of Avalon, somewhere between England and Ireland. He leads raids of ghostly warriors and wild hunts, a man whose tactics were based in the fall of the Roman empire, during the first invasion of the Saxons, at first these raids were ineffectual, but Arthur has learned over time, oh yes.

Arthur does not wield Excalibur, that was returned to the Lady of the Lake. He very much believes that Elizabeth is not the true heir to the throne, for several reasons.
1) She's a fucking anglo saxon. Not a Britton. She was not elected by the Wittengamut, an organization he may very well have founded in the years after disappearance of Roman control in the isles. She is not the true descent of the Kings of England (though he would GRUDGINGLY accept that she has the throne if not for fact 2)
2) She's a bloody FAE HEARTED BITCH. His half sisters were like that, and two of them wanted him dead, and the third was actually a pretty cool dame, but even she was fickle. You don't trust those baby stealing whoresons.

Also, I think he should be accompanied by the crows from the Tower of London, which is now abandoned, caged crows are there, of course, to "placate" the populace that was left behind. But the truth is that the original flock that was there abandoned it, and fled to Avalon, that was how Arthur new it was time to rise again. Those that accompany him now are the descendents of that same flock.

>>21732325
No nazi trusts a Crow anymore, even abroad. The Risen King is good at selecting diplomats.

Also Nazi Wizards leave their ritual circles for a few moments and come back to find them all scratched with crow shit everywhere.

>>21732381
Only in England though. Scotland and Ireland are outside his jourisdiction I believe. Sucks being a legendary figure, you got to deal with shit like that.

Interesting fact. Vlad the Impaler, as in goddamn fucking DRACULA holds a similar place in Eastern Europe as Arthur does in Western Europe.

>>21732455
Wait, are you saying freaking Vlad Tepes, vampire mode, going against Russian and Nazi invaders in Wallachia and Bulgaria? Is that what I'm hearing? Cause I think that's what I'm hearing.

I have a question, how does the fact that Finland was technically an ally of the Nazis in the war affect this setting?
I would imagine that Soviets and Nazis clashed pretty bad on Finish soil, leaving it an barren potentially irradiated and/or demoniacally possessed wasteland where ghostly warriors still fight against the soviet occupants.

Also, seeing how the other nations have their myths and legends turned out to be real, Finish folks could have stuff based on Kalevala, which includes all kinds of interesting stuff. Druidic song magic, an artefact that produces infinite wealth, sea monsters, witches etc.

>>21732530
Gypsy legend sais that dracula returned to earth 200 years after his death - they say he looked similar to his old self but was less violent and fitted in well with the times. They also say that he never died and carries his coffin around with him still to this day.

>>21732530
The Soviets first encountered him in a small village they were capturing. The whole unit was beaten to death by his coffin. He's now finding his old battlefields, to raise himself an army.

I dunno guys... feels a little hollow :S

Would be interesting if we take either Vlad or Arthur and make it so they ended up captured. Experimental prisoners for either the Nazis or Soviet.

>>21724567
Some of the Canadian people merged with and embraced the Inuit and native tribes and are now wanderers in the nightmare frost lands.

They are now a deeply spiritual people and have become adept at, speaking to animal spirits especially those of the bear, the elk and the wolf, as well as masters of soothsaying and the use of the element of ice, so much so they are like ghosts on the tundra, and many consider them a silly story.
As well as the warriors whom are said to run with packs of massive dire wolves or upon great and feral bears, their are also rumors of a process to which they feed the flesh of their dead to the crippled and dying as a way to create sentient wendigo which serve as terrible and viscous supernatural guardians for the nomadic Canadian tribes.

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>>21734424
Pic for reference.

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not sure what everyone thinks of this but I'm a kiwi(sorta) and New Zealand could be a holdout for commonwealth ANZAC troopers. The place is mountainous and cover in bush so hiding out from Nazi's/soviets would work great and make it damn near impossible to take the whole North Island let alone the South. It also holds little to know strategic value and its roads even now would make tanks or other large armoured vehicles useless.

>>21734424
>>21734514
YES.
Canada should be the place where aboriginal (what USA calls Native Americans) have the most influence.
You know, like in the real world only ramped up to 11 billion.

>>21731428
like the idea of the president having to be a living being.
Maybe add that the president always tries desperately to have some sort of lasting impact, as they realize that the more a president impressed their personality and will during their life the more Past President retains their mind

>>21735449
Maori?
I'm not sure how you mix British 'stiff upper lip' with a Haka, but it think it's necessary

>>21735634
well in the 40's Egypt campaign they did. The tribal spiritualism blends well into the world. The natives and the Anglosaxon residences would band together in the inner bush and summon the native spirits to help them ward off the enemies and some of the fleeing British Naval forces came there in search of safe haven. Soviets wouldnt be able to take the island and the population is less that 3million so why bother. All they have is sheep, and the navy could be quitely recouping its losses and using PT boats to harass some of the shipping. They would also be one of the last free nations to trade with the Aussies, and be able to provide food and minerals in exchange for some of their technology.

>>21735616
>Maybe add that the president always tries desperately to have some sort of lasting impact, as they realize that the more a president impressed their personality and will during their life the more Past President retains their mind
Makes sense, would also contribute to why the constitutionalists are still behind. They're presidents, so concerned with immortality, end up trying for victories before they're ready.

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>>21735634
forgot pic

Okay, what about Siberia?

>>21738466
Russians who almost never leave their power armor outside of their sealed compounds? Permanent nuclear winter?

>>21732590
Simo Hayha leads a band of awakened snow golem snipers. They fell in battle but their will to defend their land was too strong.

>>21734207
I don't like it.

Arthur is leading his Wild Hunt on a rampage across europe. No direct evidence of him, but garbled witness statements and a LOT of burned towns. Nobody is sure where Arthur's quest is leading him, but he seems to have a purpose in his targets (maybe he's trying to get the grail?)
Meanwhile, Vlad is doing much the same thing, leaving a trail of impaled enemies behind him. His army of vampiric minions, sinister wolves and ladies with silly accents grows bigger every night.
As is Charlemange and his court of knights, running around smiting shit and fighting monsters.
As is William Tell, who's acting like Clint Eastwood with a crossbow, righting wrongs and shooting baddies.
basically, the old legendary rulers of europe are coming back to fix shit. Not because of destiny or any such shit, but because the people are opressed and desperately believe that it's time for the heroes to come back. So, each nation has it's hero turn up and act heroic, acrueing notoriety and belief as they go, which only gives them more power...

>>21741855
Ties in with the belief-powered presidents as a natural magic mechanism. I like it.

>Russians and nais teamed up and took over.

Fuck. America right wing survivalist wet dream, it doesn't matter it doesn't make any sense.

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Yeah kinda like that. I would say that finnish goverment has allied itself with the Orthodox Church of Russia (Who were exiled or killed during the revolution) and defend the last remaining areas deep i the forests with icons and theurgetic rites that ward off both ungodly communists and demonic beasts.

They could have also made a some kind of ritual that has created eternal winter in Finland

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Also: Rasputin.

Seems like Europe is heading towards a massive supernatural free for all.
And that's not a bad thing.

OK, so I assume that Scandinavia is under Nazi dominion, yes? Unfortunately I also know that my precious country was the second-most Nazi country during this period after Germany itself. But still, since everybody else is getting resistances, can we have a resistance led by glorious figures of literature (I'm thinking mostly of Karin Boye here)? Mostly since other nations and even regions are getting toys, and it would suck a bit to see Sweden as a mere province of Germania. This goes for Denmark as well, and double it for Norway - those guys LOVE their independence.

bump since this is pretty interesting, but I've nothing to add. Just want to watch it unfold.

>>21742783
See
>>21741855
This is your supernatural resistance.
i don't know skandinavian folklore well, but you MUST have some legendary figure that fits this?

Kikes, what is the situation on the Mudslimes? Djinn magics?

Also, raise the Sunday shelf and make the Maritime SEA Atlantis again kthxbai

>>21742837
No. We do not. Closest thing Sweden has would be either Gustav Vasa, or Gustavus Adolphus. Gustav Vasa made Sweden. Gustavus Adolphus was a rapetrain made flesh until he was shot near Lützen. The first one fits the king part more, but the other one was an awesome soldier. But please mind that these are historical figures, not mythological, and none has the whole "coming-back-to-save-nation" clause. Otherwise, I guess Odin got pissed off by the Nazis trying to get HIS magic runes and went "Fuck this, I'm going to rape the bastards.".

>>21742023
Combine that with these ideas and I am sold.
>>21732590
>>21741674

Irradiated wasteland of eternal winter, where ghostly warriors stalk the woods, led by the White Death, and the remnants of Finish population believe in a mixture of Orthodox Christianity and resurfaced paganic tales and folk tales of old.
Mixing in stuff from Kalevala is brilliant, Sampo could be their most protected artifact, which supplies them with resources and fulfills their needs. Without it, the Finish resistance would wither and die in the eternal cold of their blasted land.

I imagine that the resistance would live in the woods,in the frozen forests, hidden away from the irradiated monsters and deamonic aberrations that roam the ravaged lands.
Russian occupation could be around the eastern border, and in cities near the coast, while few Nazi outposts might linger in Lapland.
In the wasted no-man's land,between the warring factions, the Fins linger, those who dare to cross into their domain, and raiding small outposts for supplies.

Has anyone played the game Painkiller? There's a level where you fight skeleton Soviets and demonic Nazis in Leningrad. It's quite hard

>>21742863

Finish folklore has Väinämöinen, legendary druid who was present when the world was created, or partook in it himself, if I recall correctly.
Basically, the dude was a mighty wizard whose magic was based on singing.

Kalevala is basically about him and other heroes who have all kinds of adventures, including the creation of Sampo, and the struggle over it.
In the final legends, Väinämöinen leaves Kalevala (The place where the all the action takes place, the roughly meaning the Land of Heroes), vowing to return one day, when he would be needed.

Link to wikipedia article about this topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalevala

I was mostly describing the thing out of my memory, so I probably made some errors.
reading the link should give a better idea of Kalevala.

Why haven't you read this comic, /tg/?
http://dsss.be/hitler-vs-stalin/

>>21742863
well, you could alternatively do radioactive snow golems. Personally, I like the idea of a skandinavian resistance being all sneaky like wood elves, but with AK's. fits the track reccord from ww2, and goes nicely with the folklore I know from the area (which is precious little, and focusses on Dreadful Things Lurking In The Woods).

What about China? Are they a still divided Confucionist country with vast armies led by demigod esque humans Dynasty Warriors style? Or have they combined to become a rising Communist nation in the east, to combat the demonic Russians?

>>21742926
I was talking about Sweden, not Finland. I know nothing at all of Finnish folklore.

>>21742940
Apparently Skandinavian demons are quite cruel. They capture and torture (possibly eat) people who wander into their woods unless they can answer their riddles.

>>21742926
that fits quite niceley. I like how the beliefomancy in america is all bound up in rules and constitutions whilst in europe it's a mess of folk heroes running around being heroic.

>>21742783
>>21742837

Denmark would have Holger Danske.
He has a chalk statue sitting in the dungeons of Kronborg Castle, and it is said that he would rise up to defend the country should fall in trouble.

>>21742981
Yup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A4kki

>>21742990
As usual, we Swede's ain't got shit for interesting. Yay. I gotta go to country that one could actually claim is interesting soon.

>>21742983
In the most bloody way possible.

>>21743031
nonsense, you have the moomins.
The real question is if the setting has room for papa moomin in it.

>>21742983
I first read that as Beatifomancy
as is based on the word Beatify, "to declare to have attained the blessedness of heaven and authorize the title “Blessed” and limited public religious honor"

That seemed to fit well with the revival of historical figures though public recognition of their greatness.

that isn't what you wrote, but beatifomancy would be a cool term

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>>21742991

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_paganism
Dang, this shit is interesting.

>>21743054
>moomins
>swedish

They are finish too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomins

>>21743122
so basically finland is fucking awesome and crazy, while Sweden is boringly civilized.

Just like in Scandinavia in the World Now

>>21743122
>>21743054
As said, nothing cool for us. Though I think that we could roll with Gustavus Adolphus. Especially if he allies with the Finnish rebels - the man was pretty damn good at soldiering and warfare in general. Best king of this country, ever. Germans will probably have resurrected Carl XII though, as he's a grander symbol for their causes (the man was also utterly dumb).

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>ctrl + f
>"Poland"
>0 results
>not treating the warsaw uprising as one huge sacrifice to awake the long forgotten pagan gods

>>21743139
Under Gustavus Adolphus, we were grand. Massive armies, well-equipped, a good administration, a unique take on Luther's teachings, a country on the rise. Then he died, and what greatness we could have had died with him. Now we are merely safe and boring. We have no insane schemers, no grand plans, no realized history to be proud of. We are a country of political correctness and with no culture to call ours. If we'd just shed the false facade of humbleness and political correctness we could maybe have an impact as we've got good things in this country, but we are too scared and complacent. My country isn't very interesting. Goddamn how I hate it.

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>>21743122
and homosexual apparently

>>21743139
>>21743151

Well, remember that Finland, for the majority of it's recorded history was part of Sweden.
Hell, we have a city that is named after a Swedish royal family.
There is loads of history between the two nations.

>>21743194
countries that are not interesting are good place to live. I am sure your thirst for adventure and greatness means you'll glady trade all the social advantages of sweden for iraq's unique position as worlds greatest sandbox full of adventurers, right?

God i hate petulent whiny childred not grateful for living in a safe country with healthcare, high income and literally no serious problems.

>>21743228
I have to agree. If Sweden wasn't so damn cold I'd love to live there. I visited there for a few weeks and it seemed like quite a nice place to live. Expensive, but it wouldn't be so bad if you didn't have to be paying for health insurance etc.

>>21743228
Oh, in that way I love it, and IRL wouldn't want to live anywhere else. But this is me complaining that I cannot make anything interesting up within the premises of this thread.

It is boring, but exceedingly safe. Our newscast called three murders in one week in Gothenburg a "murder epidemic". Our greatest threat is probably the fairly volatile debate on immigration, which the Swedish Democrats have latched onto (they're basically populist nationalists). No terrorism, no great social upheaval etc. It's nice to live here, but you won't be anything interesting if you stay here. So please, do not take it as you just took it. The same thing plays into my RPGs. We've tried to make Swedish campaigns, but we just realize that this isn't a country suited to RPing. So, yeah.

>>21743291
I live in the South, and it's fairly warm here - certainly the winters get down -10 degrees centigrade, but it's not so bad as the summers are sometimes up to 30 plus!

>>21743228

Well sweden IS trading its social advantages for iraqis unique position by getting even more immigrants. And i tell you, they already have lots of them.

>>21743157
because we're talking about alternate WWII, and Poland kinda got its ass handed to it in WWII.

>>21743228
>>21743291
>>21743296
>>21743302

Basically, scandinavian countries are probably the best possible places to live in.

>>21742955
Why not both?
I can Chinese emperors being enticed by communist ideals of community, strength and dedication to a state greater than yourself. So they call on the ancient dragons, the mythical demigod warriors and the power of the Emperor in the name of the People's Republic of China. The Dragon rises, rather more literally

>>21743302
okay, Swede could you please explain this to me.
Why do so many Swedes leave the country during the summer, when it is admittedly pretty nice, but stick around during the winter when it is cold and dark all the time?

>>21743312
It's not the immigration itself that is the problem - I'm all for providing shelter for refugees and more importantly getting new blood into this country - but the amount. It's scary large, and our government hasn't been good at integrating the immigrants since at least the 1960's. Therein lies the problem, but it's taboo to talk about it. The only ones who do are the Swedish democrats, and they want it to stop entirely and have no other agenda in politics. Pretty much, only the racist idiots want to even talk about it, and the ones that could fix it don't because lol political correctness. It bothers me immensely.

>>21743326
Because we are creatures of habit, and traditionally, people get four weeks off in the summer - but that has changed, you're required to have four weeks of vacation in one year - but they can be at any time. Only tradition keeps it in the Summer. Simple, really. Personally, I only travel abroad when I have to - last time was two years ago with school to Lithuania. In Lithuania, I learned that Sweden is awesome in a lot of ways that aren't immediately apparent - such as our cities being quite nice-looking.

>>21743122

admittedly more interesting than having only one god who can do anything he wants.

As Finn i like winters. Yeah they are cold and dark but so what. If i think it is cold and dark i go to sauna. There i will be warm and the flames will give me light. From there i will go outside and roll in the snow while shouting "FUCK YOU COOOLD, FUCK YOU DARKNEEEEES, SUCK MY DIIIICK!"

>>21743390
I did exactly that last winter - just exchange the sauna for a cabin in the woods and a night of heavy drinking and smoking. Then I went out into the darkness and shouted just that. MORE LIKE ME YAY

>>21743228
I know - I live in the UK, and I wish we were more like Sweden. They've got everything we have, like nationalised healthcare, etc, but done better.

Fuck the people who want our system made more privatised!

Man, fucking Deathworld again. It's been so long. Nice to see people thinking about it again.

I wouldn't say that the Nazis lack depth. I mean, there's the whole civil struggle between the old powers that be, the bureaucracy, the Army, the Gestapo and the rest, and these Demon summoning mages. Hitler and his cronies have essentially been replaced by an academic Magocracy that's quite happy to ride on the coat-tails of Nazi theory, in that it gives them an easily controlled population and plentiful supplies of human sacrifices for their Demonic Allies, even when they aren't necessarily fanatics.

I've also been thinking about how Magic works. I mean, when we just got started, I thought the Nazis would be somehow right and that only people from certain bloodlines could use magic, and that this was why they were about the only people to use it. But now, along with the Constitutionalists, there's a bunch of magic-using factions. I figure the Nazis succeeded because they were the first people to really implement real, nation-wide searches for the magically talented, even if they're Untermensch only fit for demonic hybridisation or ritual testing. Everyone else is relying on small pools of traditionally trained wizards.

And as for Albion, I was kinda sceptical about Arthur, but the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of him reappearing to lead the English resistance against Mosely's British Nazi Party. Though I'd prefer if he was limited to the ancient boundaries of his realm. Outside of that, the Scots and the Irish and the rest have to rely on traditional methods of resistance.

>>21743390
This is always how I have pictured Fins. Glad to know I'm basically right.

>>21743313
>alternate WWII
that's not an argument

>>21743453
If you were more like us, you'd be like us, but better - you had a pretty cool empire once. We didn't. Also, only reason Sweden is good in those areas is that we stayed out of WWII - that option wasn't open to your country. You still have far more pull on the international scene than Sweden ever will. We are non-entities, existing in our little bubble, with no pull outside it. Who cares about Sweden but those that live here? We aren't essential, we aren't interesting. We're safe and sound, however and as such get a shitton of immigrants. That is our only role in international affairs. It just irks me that we are so insignificant. I guess it'll wear off as I get older - twenty years isn't enough to fully shake off the arrogance of the teenager.

>>21743455
On the subject of magics inner workings, it might just be based on belief, same as all other magic in the setting now. So the Thule Society broke the code first, but because of how they see magic it only manifests in a truly powerful way in the ancient, pre selected, bloodlines. Sort of a confirmation bias made real, and all others, especially the slave mages, are the result of randomly inherited magical characteristics, passed down from some distant ancestor

So I'm guessing the whole geopolitical situation should be just about to change. For a few decades now, there's been a mostly observed, but uneasy truce between the Nazis and Soviets (except in a few disputed areas), and put together, they run most of the world, with only a few places still independent, mostly because conquering them wouldn't be worth it. But now the truce is starting to fray, national resistance movements are beginning to make their occupiers suffer, and the whole world seems on the brink of a return to catastrophic war. Seems as good a time as any to set a setting.

Oh, and as for some of those independent countries, I wonder what happened to Switzerland? Did it fall to the Demonic war machine, like most of the rest of Western Europe, or were they spared? Maybe they're still free because they made a pact with a demonic force way before the Nazis did, and the entity they dealt with is one the minor spirits and imps the Nazis use fear and dread.

And since the Middle-East was mentioned as a disputed zone, I guess we should start bringing the Djinn in here. Also because I just got finished reading Declare. Fuck yeah, Djinn.

>>21743525

I can buy that. Hence why the Magocracy has managed to become so entrenched in power. It's pretty easy to maintain power when you control the schools and teach kids that some of them have magic powers and so are inherently superior to the others thanks to their blood. The confident, go-getting kids will believe and manifest power; the weak and un-necessary children won't and so will doom themselves to a life of inferiority.

>>21743558
Don't know much about the Djinn, but I like the idea of a return to a enlightened Muslim theocracy in and around Mecca. A combination of high end science and mathematical magic has made it possible for them to remain independent
And the Grand Mufti was a nazi ally, more out of a sense of "fuck britain" than anything, maybe they have an agreement? Also, whats happened to India in this death world

>>21743502
okay let me expand.
>why aren't to giving more attention to the role of Poland.
Answer: because the starting point for this setting comes from a divergence at a particular point in history.
At that point in history Poland had pretty much gotten its ass handed to it.
So the starting point for Poland would be "this country got fucked, even without the addition of Nazi devil magic."

If you want to talk about Poland, go ahead, but no on has talked about France to any great degree either, or the Czetchs. Probably because all of them were conquered by the Nazis, so it's just assumed they are part of the Nazi empire

>>21743390
Swede here. I do this too. In fact, my whole family does.
>>21743357
This. many of us doesn't travel at all. we like our country, ontop of the traditions.

>>21743711

It's probably worth assuming that countries that don't get mentioned have their own resistance movements, and, where the submarine Albion has fae-magic, and the Finn's have awful wintery magic, these unmentioned movements mostly consist of badass ordinary people who fight back with bombs and guns and have no need of magic.

>>21743711
I thought the French resistance was being lead by reanimated Charlemagne and his Paladins?

>>21743504
Fair point, the British Empire was pretty awesome, other than the fact we fucked over the natives in most cases. Still, we can't really sit around and regret the Empire, given it enabled us to do so much, and there's nothing we can do to change any of it now.

I am one of those weird bunch of left-wing Brits, though, in that I think if we went further left and more democratic socialist, like Sweden, we'd be in a much better place, but I do like the Queen and the Royal Family, and would reject any plan to get rid of them.

>>21743759
I'm with you on that, not sure why we'd have to get rid of the Royal Family though. Hell, considered the spineless idiots who have no personality or ideology that get elected now, I'd be terrified to see who'd get put into an elected executive office

>>21743759
Sweden is a monarchy too, you know. Even though our current king is a bit daft.

About the Scandinavian resistance, couldn't there be trolls and other creatures from folklore allied with the humans? They are often portrayed as too egocentric to accept the rule of the Nazis, who would probably move in on them to steal their knowledge of magic. That'd make the forests and mountains in Scandinavia, which there are a shitload of, infested by a supernatural guerilla force.

I love it OP. Would buy/play the shit out of that setting.

>>21743740
I guess this is where I couldn't be truly Scandinavian.

Because if I lived there I would be like " FUCK YOU WINTER... I'm going to Spain."

then return when i could handle another two months of cold and dark

>>21743809

I love that idea!

All kinds of supernatural, fae like creatures fucking shit up and fighting against the Demonically empowered Nazis and the Nuclear warmachines of the Soviets.

Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway and Iceland has now formed the state of New Asgaard. The Norse gods are back and they are fucking pissed.

>>21743744
I'd say it would be split between resistance and those who have become assimilated and now think of themselves as Nazis.
As time has gone on it has become harder for national groups to organize resistance, except among those groups that are persecuted.
So in places like France and Poland, the more 'aryan' natives typically see themselves as Nazi, and the resistance is composed of the remaining Jews etc. Which makes it easier for the Nazi's to organizes keep the majority of people against the resistance.

>>21743845
Maybe they could fight with the ghost of Gustav Vasa, or a reanimated version of him? He's got experience with guerilla fighting, after all.

>>21743785
Aye, at least the Royal Family have some personality and conviction, and actually do seem to give two shits about the country, unlike the current elected dicks (I'll still be voting Lib Dem though, since the Greens [who I'd otherwise vote for] have no chance really, the Conservatives are mostly dicks, and Labour are basically as far right as them, but keep putting the word 'workers' into a sentence to fool the trade unions).

>>21743796
Shit, yea, I'd forgotten about that! In which case, yea, I wish Britain was more like Sweden, but with our better Royal Family. That'd be sweet.

Actually, Sweden stayed fairly intact during WW2 because we didn't take sides. We just sat back and sold weapons. Same here, Sweden has turned into a rich merchant state that will sell anything for the right price.

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>>21743857
Except Finland isn't a part of it, because they have their own pantheon. A pantheon of very powerful, very active and very selfish gods very angry about being banished by Christian Swedish invaders.

Also, SO NORSE I SHIT VIKINGS is bland and boring.

>>21743889
I thought the idea for this setting is that no one got to remain neutral, as the Soviet and Nazi conquest continued unabated do to superscience/sorcery and them not fucking with each other.

That does raise the question of the Swiss though, I don't know how to think of the Swiss as anything but neutral. That said I know only three things about the Swiss.

Found an old bit of writefaggotry for this that I'm gonna post.

Spirit of Motherland was massive. Bristling with artillery, AA guns and anti-personnel weapons it sat on the Nevada death plains, dead in the water. Her fuel rods were spent. She had been the backbone of the Russian Desert corps for 3 years now. A shipment was due to arrive in another few days.
“Und you say she cannot even aim her veapons?”
“Yesssssssssss” The wind demons voice was more like a breeze than an audible voice, but Ilse Aichinger had been working with the creatures as scout coordinator for a while now.
“so vhat shall ve do about it?” The commander asked quietly. His SS uniform creaked as he moved.
“A tunnel sir, the guns were set up for phalanx fire before the fuel rods were spent, a solid sphere of fire still keeps us from getting close. I have ten earth golems pulled straight from der underwelt, waiting for payment. We tunnel close, cut inside and rip the cowardly Russian rats out of their steel abomination”
“How many for do the beasts want?”
“One hundred souls, sir. We already requisitioned the inferiors for payment”
“Very well, make it so. Have the sturmtruppen ready.”

>>21743945
The ground before the massive steel door opened up. The whole was slowly widened and ten walking rocks climbed out, followed quickly by a cloaked man and fifty lightly armed soldiers. Immediately two began cutting through the door.
“Your job is complete I release you” Ilse Aichinger told the rocks. They nodded and dissolved into the earth. He shook his head. Mostly used to the chatter of the wind creatures he wasn’t used to the silence of earth golems.
A rumbling disturbed the quiet of the desert plains. Ilse glanced up, expecting to see the guns of the mountain sized tank swivelling, or the treads beginning to turn. Just saw the few birds that nested amongst its girth flying away. Ilse looked out into the plain and saw a massive hole opening up in the ground, slowly widening. “Those treacherous daemons spawn! They’re revealing our position! Shiest!” was Ilse’s first thought. But the truth was much worse, the golems had betrayed them, just not the German sneak attack. Daemon’s lived for chaos even if they had their own rules. What the German scouting didn’t reveal was the presence of a massive Constitutionalist necropolis below the plain that Spirit of Motherland sat on. The golems just opened it up. Now wave upon wave of undead were piling out of the hole they made.

>>21743952
Ssva Shessla circled the tank from above, his tasks complete and his master about to perish he didn’t care about returning “as ordered”. The human’s ridiculous contraption was being swarmed by the empties, dead humans. Ssva didn’t particularly care what happened to humans, nor did he have any interest in why they fought, but there was opportunity to watch chaos at work so he stayed.
The first of the empties had entered the tank and by the screams audible even at this altitude had begun killing everything in sight. A siren sounded, Ssva was curious, what could the steel monkeys be up to? He didn’t get to finish the thought, a furious bright light lit the sky for miles around. A quarter of a second later an explosion rocked the plain, air being sucked into the heat of the explosion. Ssva calmly watched, he was composed of nothing but daemonic air, he could affect nothing, but as a trade off nothing could affect him.

>>21743957
Motion by the massive hole attracted Ssva’s attention. An almost-empty was shambling out of the whole, screaming in the old tongue. Ssva dismissed it, until he saw writhing in the smoke and debris of the steel monkey’s monstrosity. It was knitting itself together, but in a different form, flesh from all sides was covering the steel, it was dragging itself together. The almost-empty collapsed as the new thing rose up out the blast. The almost-empty had used the energies of the explosion and the souls of the dead and dying to tie a soul into this new creature.
The eldritch abomination reared up and screamed into the sky “NIXON IS BACK!” and its howl echoed across the land “HHHHHHHHHHHAAAAROOOOOOOOOOoooooooooOOOOOOoooooo”

>>21743635

Admittedly, this is coming from reading Declare and wikipedia, so it might not be entirely right, but I'll give it a try.

Essentially, Djinn are another race, much like humans (though also very different). They've got free-will and run the gamut from "Evil as Fuck" to "Pretty Cool Dude" with most being somewhere in between. They inhabit an unseen world, mostly, but can manifest in various ways. They mostly live in ordered societies. They aren't averse to dealing with humans for mutual benefit.

So, let's say things unfold much as they did in reality. Saudi Arabia, as one of the more powerful Middle Eastern states, and also the home of Mecca, is pretty friendly with the Axis powers, so when Nazi sorcerer researchers turn up looking for information, they're happy to comply. The House of Saud, having only recently come into their power, is still fairly sceptical of their new friends, and so begins its own Occult Research programme, just in case the Nazis turn on them. This culminates in a trip to Mount Ararat, where there's a sizable colony of Djinn, which ends with a prince and a princess of the royal house "married" with the Djinn to cement an alliance. So when the Nazis turn their eyes south and look to solidify their hold on the oil of the Middle East, the Saudis call on their allies and hold off the invasion.

Much like the Republic in the Spanish Civil War getting Soviet aid, at the cost of giving up some of their soverignty, Saudi Arabia, along with a few allies (who resent the power of the Saudis, but are forced to choose between them and the Nazis), has remained independent of super-power control, but doubts run wild at exactly the cost of the alliance with the Djinn. Publiclly, there's nothing too sinister going on, but under the surface, there's some evil shit afoot.

>>21743935

>I thought the idea for this setting is that no one got to remain neutral, as the Soviet and Nazi conquest continued unabated do to superscience/sorcery and them not fucking with each other.

Having a few pockets of neutrality won't change the whole map. It'll just mean working out what happened in various places will be more interesting than going "Alright, did the Nazis or the Soviets conquer these people?". Even then, the independents won't be in any position to do anything beyond struggle to keep their status.

>>21743987
good point.
So the Swiss can still be independant, and maybe the Swedes (not the Fins, because their resistance sounds AWESOME).

What would the role of the Swiss be? Would they have magic? Would they be influenced by the Nazi culture of racial superiority even if they were not conquered?


Also, Spain. Spain was fighting it's own Civil war during WWII, and I have no idea how we would incorporate them.

Lastly. FOOTBALL. because when I think Europe I think football. Fuck yeah, football.

>>21743857

I might hesitate from bringing Gods into this, or from making a new state. While the other countries have supernatural shit going on, there's no other "gods" (though the Presidents might count). Having a fairly massive Scandinavian union also changes the power dynamics. Viking-influenced resistance groups is still a pretty cool idea though.

>>21744020

Well, I suggested something up the thread a little.

>>21743558

>Oh, and as for some of those independent countries, I wonder what happened to Switzerland? Did it fall to the Demonic war machine, like most of the rest of Western Europe, or were they spared? Maybe they're still free because they made a pact with a demonic force way before the Nazis did, and the entity they dealt with is one the minor spirits and imps the Nazis use fear and dread.

Playing on the stereotype of the Swiss as neutral banker types, having them sold their soul to Something generations ago, meaning the Nazis, who'd be the only ones in a position to conquer them, couldn't use their demonic allies to invade, could work. They wouldn't have an organised magical society the way the Nazis do, but just have a secret group within the government that organises payment for the Entity. And I suspect there would certainly be some Nazi sympathisers there.

As for Spain, the Civil War was over by the time WW2 began, and the fascists, under Franco basically sat on the sidelines and gave moral support to the Axis. The problem being in this timeline, I think they (and Italy and the other, more minor Axis powers) would eventually fall more and more under Nazi demon-magic influence, until they essentially became protectorates. Nominally independent still, but essentially part of the Third Reich.

After all, when the Nazi Blood Sorcerers jet in and ask to test your population for magically talented people to be taken back for further testing, you can hardly say no. And then when they start offering to expand their Demonic infrastructure into your country, well, it'd be stupid to ignore the benefits. Even people like Franco, who were incredibly keen to have Spain stand on its own, wouldn't have much of a choice.

>>21744098
good point about Spain. I'd gotten my timing a bit off.

I could see Spain, and possibly Italy, becoming protectorates, but trying to establish themselves as something more. Performing secret magical research, maybe making trades and alliances with other nations to try to boost themselves.
Spain trying to get some support from North Africa, and the Arabs because Moors (sp?).

Italy could have something involving the Catholic Church and/or the Mafia. Either as resistors to the fascists or as collaborators.

As for the Swiss, I like it. Though to add some conflict you could have 'the Entity' being somewhat antagonistic to the Nazis' demon allies

>>21744165

>As for the Swiss, I like it. Though to add some conflict you could have 'the Entity' being somewhat antagonistic to the Nazis' demon allies

Absolutely. Though neither side knows why. The Swiss, because by and large, aside from the group that deals with it, no-one knows it exists. The Nazis don't know about it because their allies won't tell them anything. They refuse to enter the borders of Switzerland and not even the most skillful demon-interpreter can get them to say why. Leave it a mystery. Just what the fuck have the Swiss done?

The Catholic Church, at least at the top, was willing to cut a deal with the Nazis, but maybe when the whole, y'know, demon-summoning thing got out into the mainstream, the Church began to push back and was suppressed as a result. There would have probably been a civil war in Italy (and other very Catholic countries, Spain included) before those willing to work with Demons got the upper hand. Now the Church is mostly underground, distributing Exorcisms where they can and trying to save the world's soul. The fascist governments that are now Nazi protectorates continue to work with the Nazis on the surface, whilst elements within try and coordinate the Church and Resistance groups. It probably chafes them to be under Nazi rule as much as it does anyone else. Though, given the power of the Soviet Union, the power of the Reich is probably seen as a good thing by plenty of fascists and, hell, lots of ordinary people.

>>21743935
The Swiss bunker down in their hollowed out mountains with everything rigged to blow the second shit hits the fan. The Nazis are opting for a more subtle approach, spreading their religion and ideology to the people, influencing leaders and getting those sympathetic to them put in places of power. Their military is somewhat fragmentized, with some soldiers defecting to the Nazis, some joining resistance groups, some staying to defend the country.

>>21744031
The resistance groups in the occupied regions could use the gods and claims of a shared goal and identity as a rallying cry. They don't actually need to be unified, but some people might share slogans.

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>>21743151
You talkning shit about the King?

Can I propose something?

Understanding their extremely tenuous position in the world, the Swiss have poured money into intelligence and diplomacy. Their newly formed paranormal ops division utilizes large numbers of psychics and advanced tech stolen from the Soviets and others.

The Swiss continue to sell information and technology to any interested party, as well as providing financial services for all, and dispatches potential threats with ghost-like kill teams. They also allow foreign intelligence services to run wild inside the country, making Switzerland an espionage battlefield, manipulated by the most unlikely puppet-master. This way, they've established themselves as an essential source of intel to both the Soviets and the Nazis, while secretly sowing resentment and revolt in both Germany's European provinces and in the Soviet bloc.

Recognizing the inherent instability of their biggest customers, their long-term goals, besides survival, are the 'internal collapse' of both superpowers, unconcerned with the massive, bloody civil wars that would certainly ensue, were both to fragment.

>>21744859
I like that idea, the notion the Swiss maintain a well oiled intelligence machine is brilliant, and fits into their "neutral power" angle quite well. Maybe thats the deal they made? Exchanging information with some supernatural power in return for protection

>>21744859

I like.

Being Swiss Agents would be a pretty excellent set-up for a game.

>>21744859
I was thinking clocks. You know, Swiss watches and all that? The entire country could be caught in some temporal anomaly or encased in a time dilation field or something. The rest of the world isn't exactly sure of what's going on in the country, but sometimes people emerge with strange, futuristic technology and knowledge events they shouldn't.

That's one idea, but there's a shitload of things that could be done with Swiss timelords, chronomancers, mercenaries from the future etc. There could be agents running around in an almost isolated timeline trying to secure information about future events.

>>21741855
>basically, the old legendary rulers of europe are coming back to fix shit. Not because of destiny or any such shit, but because the people are opressed and desperately believe that it's time for the heroes to come back. So, each nation has it's hero turn up and act heroic, acrueing notoriety and belief as they go, which only gives them more power...
Now this, THIS I like. We need to leave it ambiguous as to whether these guys are even really the actual historical figures come back from the dead. In fact, the whole "Arthur searching for the grail when that was tacked on by the french" may even reinforced the doubt. But the thing is, it doesn't matter who Arthur, or Vlad Tepes, or William Tell, or Charlemagne really were, what matters is what people BELIEVE they were.

Figures like this should be FAR more common in Nazi controlled territory than outside it. If we ever write a book on it, we don't explicitly tell it. People should just notice that "hey, ancient historical figures coming back to kick ass tend to appear far more in the demon-summoning territories than in the super science ones... I wonder why..."

>>21745078
Maybe a little intelligence machine? A huge mass of clockwork and brass, decoding every transmission, electronic or eldritch, that it picks up?
And every hour, on the hour, a cuckoo pops out of it. No one is entirely sure why

>>21744244
I like this idea of for the Catholics.

How about to add to this, when Rome fell to the Demon supporters the Church had to flee the Vatican City. To prevent large stores of church relics and tomes being taken and misused the Damned they smuggled out as much as they could.
And who are Italian and good at smuggling, the Mafia (also, I wanted an excuse to bring in the Mafia). Now the new headquarters of the Church is hidden in Sicily, and the Mafia helps the Church move artifacts and books as well as getting Exorcists where they need it.

The Mafia's criminal activity is largely a cover for their anti-demon/fascists operation.

>>21745139
>a literal intelligence machine
Fuck I can't type. But yeah, a swiss clockwork Collosus

>>21742783
I just had a horrible idea.

What if in many of these regions, there's actually not that many people left who aren't pure Aryan.

The whole idea behind the Nazi society is that besides the Thaumocracy/Magocracy or whatever it's called, the vast majority are perfect little arayans, who follow their work scheudals, planned out months a head of time by the beuracracy. Under them are the "less than perfect, but not so imperfect that they need to be sterilized/killed, also they make GREAT blood sacrifices" citizens. I imagine these guys are so ground into the dirt, that even they barely believe in these myths anymore.

It doesn't matter. These myths ride. Every day, they ride. They gain more strength, as the belief is fanned in the populace, both from the fears of their enemies, and the hopes of the underclasses.

>>21745078
you could mix this up with the Entity idea from >>21744098

and have it be a 'Being from beyond time itself'.

Also magical clockwork, because runes and gears go together well.


On a more practical note, I'm sure this is being archived, but should we start updating the 1d4chan wiki?

>>21742955
>What about China? Are they a still divided Confucionist country with vast armies led by demigod esque humans Dynasty Warriors style? Or have they combined to become a rising Communist nation in the east, to combat the demonic Russians?
They're still both.

We got Mao's army of communist clones.
And Chiang Kai-shek's army of ghosts stuffed into Teracotta warriors, Geomancers, and Wuxia Daoists like Bruce Goddamn Lee

>>21745139
Should they be using SCIENCE! or magic? Magitek? Are they clockpunks? I have difficulty deciding on this myself.

Another idea: maybe they just bunkered down? Everyone is stomping through their country while they hide in their hollowed out mountains and underground tunnels, their motives and actions only known with certainty to themselves.

>>21744949

I thought that the Swiss maintaining their independence autonomously was far cooler. But now that you mention it...

The greatest secret of the Confederation is 'the Node', the most powerful of all the psychics ever created by The Project. Though the person housing it is technically braindead, their powerful mind serves as an intelligence network in itself The Node can be accessed only by agents of the The Project, and can be accessed from anywhere. However, even the vast majority of Agents don't know the full capabilities of the Node, indeed, they don't even know its sentient, and only the most loyal and elite know that it controls the whole Project. Capable of possessing any psychic on its network at any time, there is very little information worth knowing that isn't contained in the recesses of this sinister neuronetwork.

>>21745173
I honestly don't know how to update the wiki. I've always assumed we had some gnomes or something to do that.

>>21743312
Hey, you know who has issues with immigrants? Britain. Cause them and the general not-haves managed to set the country on fire in 2011. France also has issues with immigrants, as police essentially needs riot gear going into immigrant districts. You? You're like a nice old lady in a gated community who loudly complaints that a person of colour moved in for the first time. There isn't a form of "issue" dimunitive enough to describe what you have.

>>21743455
>And as for Albion, I was kinda sceptical about Arthur, but the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of him reappearing to lead the English resistance against Mosely's British Nazi Party. Though I'd prefer if he was limited to the ancient boundaries of his realm. Outside of that, the Scots and the Irish and the rest have to rely on traditional methods of resistance.
This. Any ancient figures should be very strictly bound to where their belief is strongest. Should they ever get an army of living, fanatical believers together though... well... that changes the game now doesn't it?

>>21745078

That's a pretty good idea as well. Maybe telepathy is one of the few ways to communicate across chronological distances, necessitating both chronomancy and psy-ops. Chronomancy would have to be extremely dangerous; every jump has a chance of killing you eternally.

>>21745211

Only science, all the time. Weird science, with heavy Gnostic themes (what with Jung and all). After all, the Node is basically the foetal manifestation of the Collective Conciousness iteself.

>>21743635
>Don't know much about the Djinn, but I like the idea of a return to a enlightened Muslim theocracy in and around Mecca. A combination of high end science and mathematical magic has made it possible for them to remain independent
>And the Grand Mufti was a nazi ally, more out of a sense of "fuck britain" than anything, maybe they have an agreement? Also, whats happened to India in this death world
Middle East is pretty much a giant "Fucking warzone" at this time. That was set up with the fall of the Ottomans back in WWI and that bit of the time line hasn't changed at all. The Nazis and Soviets move through it with pretty much no resistance, because everyone is too busy fighting each other. Both major powers back whoever, at the time, is most likely to give them an advantage in the relic hunting business.

Can somebody go through this thread and the previous one and PLEASE begin updating the Wiki page? I'll do it later, but would be nice to get some help.

>>21745211
Magitek fits them better, combining the principles of clockword and chronomagic combined to perform intelligence missions. Think like Corvo from dishonored, using time and space manipulation to bypass the enemy, or tear them a new one
The swiss intelligence service sometimes sets bizarre objectives with the highest priority, from rearranging a German general's office in a specific way, to recording a Soviet private saying his own name. The only thing Swiss handlers will be drawn on is that these strange missions help them pay a debt

>>21744098
I could easily see Spain splitting into two or more states, with the north joining the Axis and the south embracing their independence, their Arabian heritage and their own cultural identity. BAM! We got a new Reconquista on our hands.

>>21745322

I'd rather we had a little more originality than just 'clockpunk and chronomancy because watches'. Switzerland has a history of psychology, and Carl Jung's theories of the collective conciousness and archetypes are just too good to ignore. There should be some time-based stuff, but only extremely rare and temperamental time-based stuff.

Example scenario, Soviet engineer realizes that his commanding officer and all his staff have been possessed by demons, and are working for the Reich, so he blows up their command unit, killing them all. He is immediately executed, and doesn't live long enough to realize that he's been had, and has killed several normal people. Who, coincidentally, had been advocating a withdrawal of Soviet assets held in the Swiss Confederation's banks. He also doesn't live long enough to realize that he's actually a brainwashed German, and when the Soviets examine him, they'll blame the murder on the Nazis. That's the kind of mindfuckery I'm talking about.

>>21745451
Ah, so psychology, misdirection and a veritable army of Geneva Candidates? I like that
Can we keep the Swiss intelligence service hiring people for random missions thing? I like the idea the Confederation is protected by some implausibly powerful force who's main interest is bizarre Tzeentchian scheming

>>21745451
well we can mix a little of everything together.
Clockwork and Chronomancy cause watches
Psy-ops and psychics because Carl Jung and we don't have a psychic nation yet, and it fits with the intelligence ops.
Intelligence ops because that's a way for a neutral non-super military country to stay in the game.
Crazy 'entity' from 'beyond time and space' because chronotech and it's dark and one of the major themes of this setting is grim-dark.

Stick it all together and you've got a pretty rich and interesting country.

I hate to bring this up... and I really do, but you have the Soviet Union doing their thing, right?

Well, someone Mentioned Rasputin. Say he survived and he's doing his thing. He's not exactly some kind of demonic daemon summoner, but he's not exactly on the side of angels.

What I would suggest, and this I think might actually be a bit stupid is then go with hey. Anastasia survived. So perhaps there is a simmering Tsarist conspiracy deep within the USSR.

Russian folklore has all kinds of terrible monsters. Perhaps the Tsars made deals to keep them at peace and when Nikolai was killed, it was the day after he did the ritual to appease whatever monsters are out there.

... well... now it's coming up and they're not appeased, so Rasputin acts as the envoy between the Tsarist conspiracy and these monsters, promising them an even bigger boon if they support the Tsarina and reestablish the Imperial Body.

... just a thought. It doesn't have to mean anything.

>>21745451
>>21745550
The psychology stuff would be hilarious and awesome if it was used against infiltrators and foreign agents. Kinda like how the KGB used to fuck with the heads of foreign diplomats, except this time you want to have sex with your mother.

>>21745240
for 1d4chan. You see those little blue 'edit' buttons.
Click that.

Mind you we have WAY too much info to stick on a single wiki page. so we'd have to expand.

>>21745365
You could have Franco join the Axis, the royalists doing their own thing, and probably the south fucking off.

And all claim to be the true spain.

>>21745631
that's Freud not Jung.
Jung is cooler, and Freud is full of so much shit

>>21745624
Russia has some great folklore and mythology and all that, but we already decided on SCIENCE! for the USSR.

>>21745140
>The Mafia's criminal activity is largely a cover for their anti-demon/fascists operation.
Mafioso Catholic Demon Hunters? I think we have a winner here.

I really like what we've got going here.

The Nazi's "super uniform society" is mostly restricted to their middle-upper classes, the lower and under classes are where the resistance takes root. The Nazi's have tried to kill off the passing of legends, of folklore, of knowledge except their own doctrines, but the underground hides it, nurtures it. The Nazi's have failed to utterly erradicate their "racial inferiors" because of these underground networks, smuggling people out to Soviet territory (where at least they won't be in danger of being killed for their racial background, even if it is incredibly oppressive), to Africa, to South America, to the polopynesian islands. To Nationalist China, to the Australians. To India where the fight still goes on. Europe, Asia, and most of what we consider the "First World" is owned heart and soul by the oppresive Soviets and the vile Nazi's, so the glimmers of hope remain in the 3rd world, and in the most unlikely of places... slowly growing. But unfortunately, what they use, what they allign themselves with, those things, well, they may be even worse than the Nazi's and Soviets. They're oppresive, but at least they are HUMAN.

>>21745674
I know who Jung is, though I don't really agree with all his theories. Freud's theories are just hilarious, it'd be a waste to not incorporate them into the psychological warfare of this setting.

>>21745687

But this isn't the USSR. It's a Tsarist conspiracy. It's the White Russians deciding enough is enough (maybe with some help from Rasputin).

>>21745638
you underestimate good formatting my friend.

>>21745728
>But this isn't the USSR. It's a Tsarist conspiracy. It's the White Russians deciding enough is enough (maybe with some help from Rasputin).
oh god, Rasputin, the immortal enemy of the Czarate... wouldn't he side with the Soviets?

>>21745550

Of course. Only high ranking Project agents are Swiss nationals, the rest are hired, brainwashed or simply unaware that what they are doing is crucial to the survival of an entire country.

However, these aren't James Bond style secret agents; these are stone-cold mother fuckers. They'll torture you for days just to get the name of a man you sold food, and he's just the target's assistant's assistant. Among people aware of them, Swiss agents are referred to as 'clockwork men,' for their mechanical precision, complete lack of compassion and their pragmatic attitudes.

>>21745728
How about this: the leaders of the Whites and the Mensheviks fled to Western Europe and joined up with the Nazis when they started conquering land left and right. The Nazis, in preparation for their war with the Soviets, had their allies infiltrate the USSR to destabilize the union. Of course, they have their own agenda which they pursue in secret while gathering support from old sympathizers. How does that sound?

>>21745724
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who liked the idea.

We also have several good places to do an actual campaign now.
Jewish/whatever resistance fighters
Swiss spy ops
Mafioso Catholic Demon Hunters.
The Three Front war in America (USSR, Nazi and Constitutionalists)
Finish survivalists.

>>21745953
Not to mention the sapient jungle of the Amazon. The Mexican drug cartels recreating their war of flowers to gain the power of Aztec Gods. The Australian super-city, New Albion of Free Britannia, and a couple other factions thrown into the mix.

>>21745953
thinking in terms of campaign now, I like the idea of there being a class+Origin System
with classes being pretty lose collections, so only a few say.
Infiltrator
Soldier
Specialist

then each class can be augmented with stuff depending on your origin, of which there are many. It would of possible to get abilities from other origins during gameplay, but you start out based upon your nationality.

>>21745986
and whatever is going on in Africa, which I think was a combination of genetically manipulated trained animals and spirit magic, but I'm hesitant to go into that area, I don't know enough about African religions (a little about south African bushman religion yes, but that's about it). I think we should figure the Zulu into here somewhere, because, let's face it, Zulu. Though by this time they've all but been wiped out haven't they?

>>21745953
But what about the rest of the world? We still need to flesh that out. There is still work to be done.

>>21745953

Maybe just because I wrote half the stuff, but I always thought being British agents, touched by the Queen's Fae Glamour, to the point where they're all essentially James Bond, being sent out to acquire artifacts, knick-knacks and whatever else the Queen desires.

>>21745751

Rasputin's too cool a figure to leave out, but he really wouldn't fit in with the Soviets either. Maybe he's just this... enigma. He keeps popping up in places around the USSR, doing apparently unconnected things. The KGB has "killed" him dozens of times, but he keeps reappearing.

He isn't with the Tsarists, not after what they did to him. And a wandering mystic certainly doesn't fit in the rational world of the USSR. So what the fuck is he doing?

>>21745751
He wasn't the enemy of the Czarate. The nobility didn't like him, but the Tsar loved him. Rasputin saved his son.

Nikolai didn't like the fact that he was sleeping with his wife, though.

>>21746005
>Infiltrator
>Soldier
>Specialist

Okay. Let's take a leaf from he book of Mass Effect. We have 3 primary classes, and 4 "Combo" classes.

Solider, Mage, Technologist.

Solider+Technologist= Infiltrator
Soldier+Mage= Warmage
Mage+Technologist= Technomancer
Solider+Mage+Technologist= (The fuck do I know what this should be called?)

Your origin then determines the specifics of what you can do.

A Technologist+Mage for the Soviets is more like a Telekinetic with special gear than he is an actual mage. But A Technologist+Mage for the Nazi's is actually one of their Infernal Engineers, pumping out demonic artillery and stuff. But one for the Jewish Resistance fighters actually produces golems.

"The Grandfather" should be the name of the fuck huge machine/eldritch abomination that /really/ runs the Chrononauts. It communicates only through ticker tape and dispensing time travel devices.
Example missions:
"Remove the head of the Soviet General commanding the 15th mechanised legion without killing him"
"Deliver a single, freshly picked orange to these following coordinates"
"Travel 15 days into the past in the square of Berlin and set off a firework"
"Retrieve a Brazilian child that was born on the 15th of June last year and bring him to me"

>>21746009
Sub-Saharan Africa should be more than just a case of "here there be dragons." I'm not sure what could be done with it, though.

>>21746056
>Maybe just because I wrote half the stuff, but I always thought being British agents, touched by the Queen's Fae Glamour, to the point where they're all essentially James Bond, being sent out to acquire artifacts, knick-knacks and whatever else the Queen desires.
sounds good to me.

>>21746061
Actually, this reminds me of the new Iron Kingdoms RPG. You pick two classes at the start, which combine into what kind of character you want to play

>>21746086
Oh definitely, but does anybody here actually know enough about their mythology, culture, etc.etc. to really pull it off convincingly?

Guys, what about Alistair Crowley? He died in 1947, but what if his cult lived on and grew to become an influential player in New Albion or whatever?

>>21746104
In our case you're picking a class and an origin.

"But why is a Jewish resistance fighter in a Nazi team?" Why wouldn't he be? He's an infiltrator! a Spai! etc.etc. You could have VERY diverse teams :P

also. I vote for Hongkong being the "hub" of our little campaign world. Why? In all the world, Hongkong is going to be cosmopolitan as all fuck. A place for Nazis, Soviets, Japanese, even constitutionalists, to meet, and trade, and give out information, and steal it, and all kinds of crazy shit.

Alternatively, Cairo could be another good choice.

>>21746012
oh, I agree. South America could use some fleshing out. As could mainland Asia. We have almost nothing for Africa.

I just got distracted for a second into thinking about awesome campaigns.

>>21746056
The peasantry. Rasputin protects the peasantry. The ones out in the country. The ones that work the government farms and such. Those that still cling to the Old Beliefs.

Everynow and then, Moscow hears tale of a man dressed in pre-revolution clothing... a monk that heals the sick and so on.

Rasputin isn't evil, he's just mad. He unlocked some kind of sorcery that keeps him from dying, despite the KGB's damnedest.

>>21746125
Alistair Crowley's stuff was the basis for the Thule Society I thought? Wouldn't he be more a mage who was horrified by the Nazi's? If anything, I'd expect him to have been killed off/put under arrest by the Nazi's. What if he's the guy who gave the Nazi's their demon summoning?

>>21746125
Crowley needs to be in there somewhere.

>>21746145
>Alistair Crowley's stuff was the basis for the Thule Society I thought? Wouldn't he be more a mage who was horrified by the Nazi's? If anything, I'd expect him to have been killed off/put under arrest by the Nazi's. What if he's the guy who gave the Nazi's their demon summoning?
I think we need to update the wiki pages with all we have though. So we have a basis from which to work.

>>21746009
I think this'll help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:African_mythology

http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/africa/african/articles.html

http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/african-mythology.php

http://fuckyeahafricanmythology.tumblr.com/

(Yeah yeah I know, sue me, this one's got some damn good stuff)

http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/A-Am/African-Mythology.html#b

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_traditional_religion

>>21746081
This can occur a few times a day to not even one per month. This means that the Swiss Chrononauts are allowed to do logical missions (by their standards), but must complete the Grandfather's missions. The last time they didn't, they accidentally Tripoli

>>21746158
Alistair Crowley's work eventually influenced Anton LeVey.

So maybe it's two different forms of demon contracts. One is all for the advancement in personal life and pleasures, where the ones that nazis use is for conquering and shit?

>>21746165
I say we make it so he just vanished. He's the guy who STARTED this whole fiasco with demon summoning and shit. His apprentices, seeing he wouldn't agree to what they planned to do, ousted him, maybe even killed him (at least, that's what they tell people). Is he still around? Leave it to the GMs to decide.

>>21746009

Neither the soviets or the Nazis are into full-scale extermination at this point. Conquered/Liberated peoples are more likely to be forced into work, used as disposable ritual sacrifices or whatever. But the awful thing is that more rational elements are in charge of both the USSR and the Third Reich. No more pointless mass exterminations or collectivisation accidents.

Now, Mass exterminations with a point, however...