Go in with our sword! Sneakily jab out bone-finger blade to posion the old man. What would we have to roll?

>>16449397
I saw that someone corrected for the missing dice by throwing in two more. No more successes.

Anyway, let's start off strong.
Someone wanted to use the Avatar of the Sea jutsu. Is there enough water for that?

>>16449422
It would be Rank+Martial Arts-1 for the difficulty of the action.

>>16449433
The gourd you carry on your hip allows for 1 Mizubunshin, so yes, that would work, your armor could be made.

>>16449433
If you want to start off strong, we're going to need to get a good solid hit in. Not waste it preparing a defense.

>>16449443
Yep, and the sooner the poison is injected the more damage it'll do. I vote poison.

rolled 4, 10, 7, 4, 1, 4, 3 = 33

4 rank + 4 Martial Arts - I think that's right - -1

>>16449397
I reaffirm my vote for an immediate, full out attack, level 3 extra effect if it lands, buzzsaw as well.

reposting in hope of retroactive info >>16449371

Shouldn't we hide the use of a poison, though? Like, use it when we use a Willow's Whisper and grapple?

Then again, this IS a shinobi duel; poisons might be acceptable.

Hey OP, which is it?

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>>16449464
Poison? Oh hell yeah it's cool. Negating a whole discipline of shinobi arts would be a damn disgrace. That would be like telling Jiraiya no summons.

>>16449462
The tags exist to allow the ANBU to lock the arena up and deny entrance, it's a four-flames formation barrier. As for the chakra sensing they say that if they detect it your friend will be asked to stop.

rolled 1, 10, 4, 2, 3, 7, 8 = 35

>>16449464
Well, we're hopefully going to. We're gonna punch him with a bone-dagger that no one should know about and disguise it as a opening assalt with our sword.

Also, what are our stats? Because I know we leveled up a few things, but not sure which.

rolled 10, 6, 5, 5, 2, 3, 5, 8, 5 = 49

>>16449483
I see a field full of successes, minus a single failure. Damn, if only we had Martial Arts 5.

Like the monster he is, the Raikage will not dodge, but will instead weather the hit.

>>16449502
>>16449483

My 7 vs your 5.

You rush forward and slam your fingers into his chest, trying to pierce the skin at least, but find that he's just too damn tough, a laugh coming from his lips as he shrugs the attack off without effort.

He closes his eyes for an instant and suddenly lightning leaps to life around his entire body, increasing his already impressive durability with the power of his chakra as he raises his hand, curling his pinky and thumb inward for his deathblow as he laughs, "Come on, try me again, whelp."

>>16449502
We bumped Martial Arts up to 4, I believe. This was done because I started scaling skills as they got higher rank.

>>16449521
Damn, he's activated his lightning field!

Can we use the water we have to use the lightning rod jutsu now?
The shock of losing his electricity might throw him off.

>>16449537
Sure you can.

>>16449551

The Op responded waaaaaay to fast for this to be a good idea...

>>16449551
Well, let's see if it works then, do we need to roll for it?

>>16449495
Actually, yeah OP. Can you confirm if I've got the right stats down for Shima?

Injury: 9/18/36
Taijutsu: 9
Ninjutsu: 9
Genjutsu: 4
Chakra: 4
Determination: 8
Chakra Pool: 9

Skills-
Greatsword Skills: 5
Shinobi Movement: 5
Taijutsu Knowledge: 3
Ninjutsu Knowledge: 5
Water Style Talent: 5
Genjutsu Knowledge: 3
Fuujutsu Knowledge: 1
Martial Arts: 4

>>16449521
>>16449537
wait wait, the wind scroll/seal will counter the lightning armor, and should improve the cutting power of our poison delivering claw, right?

>>16449569
Yeah, you're square. Fuck we're so overstatted, hahaha.

>>16449578
Oh yeah, that will do worlds of fuck you up to his armor and his body.

>>16449521
Damn! Could we have made it hit if we had spent a point of Determination?

>>16449585

That's a one shot though. Maybe we should try our Lightning Rod... and then go for the trump if it doesn't work...?

>>16449578
Oh shit! You're right!
Let's do that now, since we're already in grapple range!

>>16449586
Nope, you would need to be a Martial Arts Master to have that work. You usually can do it because you're using your greatsword.

>>16449578
If we're going to use the wind seal thing, I think we should ignore the poison and go for max damage. With this guys toughness, we need to start knocking some dice off him and our raw damage is our best chance.

>>16449593
But it would deliver the poison, right? And when that poison hits his chakra system, he's going to bleed off chakra and be unable to control it. That should prevent him from even using the lightning armor again for this fight.

>>16449601
The posion is suppose to screw up his Charka Coils and make him unable to use lightning or Charka at all. Or just kill him out right.

But yes, crack open the armor with Wind-saw. Can we use our gauntlet to power our attack? It's suppose to add to our chakra, right?

>>16449601
>>16449616

Tough choice. Doing damage knocks him down... but bleeding off Chakra keeps him from frying us.

I wanna say the latter.

Eh. Look at the guys dice pool compared to ours - it just seems to me like we're going to waste a free shot since I don't think we can beat his dice pool using the poison. Not to mention we can't use the buzzsaw effects on the sword anymore after we use the wind thing.

>>16449636
Yep! Gauntlet adds damage for chakra at a 1:2 ratio, 1 damage for each 2 chakra you pump into the sucker.

OP, could we have Willow's Whisper have it's grapple damage be a wind scrolled poison claw attack?

>>16449660
That's IF we use the seal on the sword. We were discussing using the wind seal on our gauntlet and bone-hand, and using it to get past the Third's armor and deliver the poison.
Once the poison take effect, he can't use anything involving chakra, and might just kill him outright.

>>16449675
As fun as that does sound, and I know it does, Willow's Whisper is going under serious revision for being kinda bullshit. I mean, i guess he could get out of the grapple, but you'd get to do damage first, it just seems inescapable. For now, let's just avoid it, ok? Until we come to a consensus on its actual rules.

>>16449709
But but but the idea of the Raikage getting wounded to a technique a genin thought up is hilarious.

>>16449709
Aw, but I wanted the Raikage to get roughed up by a genin trick!

>>16449731
Let's just drop it for now, it is pretty bullshit.
Anyway, I'm still for trying out Lightning Rod, it's a technique developed specifically for this fight, I wanna see if it works, at the very least.

>>16449744
>>16449731
>>16449745

Anon 3 seems to be gunning for the Water Avatar. Barring our Genin trick, what do you guys think?

>>16449783
Ffffffffine. Go for it. Hopefully it does more than just take the armour down because his next action will be painful otherwise I imagine. Having no large source of water sucks. We need to find a way to get some.

>>16449783
Hmm....Can the wind seal be used in conjunction with our gauntlet AND poison, to cut through the Third's defense, deal damage, AND poison him?

>>16449804

Use it with the Lightning Rod?

>>16449804
Absolutely! Hell if you do enough you're gonna punch through his chest. A crit will probably be lethal. You're gonna love seeing what happens with various elementally enhanced strikes hitting flesh.

>>16449814
Also a fair suggestion, we are in PBR so you don't have to move anywhere.

>>16449818
Ok, never mind the other stuff, we GOTTA try for a claw straight through his chest. The gauntlet only increases damage, not accuracy, right? and do we have to decide to use it and by how much before we attack?

>>16449832
poison it too, of course, just in case.

>>16449832
You gotta pay to play. Otherwise there's no risk involved.

>>16449848
Okay, remember what Gen told us: the gauntlet is unstable. He put a stabilizer seal on it, but there's no telling what its limit is.

I say we do it. Release the Wind Seal on our gauntlet enhanced strike, using 4 Chakra to increase the damage by 2, and releasing the poison into the wound we make.

Roll's gonna be Rank+Martial Arts+1 for Elemental Superiority

rolled 1, 5, 7, 10, 8, 1, 1, 10, 7 = 50

>>16449868
Rank 4 + Martial Arts 4 + 1 Elemental Superiority

rolled 1, 4, 5, 4, 2, 9, 8, 3, 4 = 40

>>16449868
Do iiiiiiiiiiit

rolled 7, 2, 7, 9, 9, 8, 6, 6, 1, 1 = 56

Raiton Armor go!>>16449877

>>16449877
>>16449877
Got a crit, btw. This show was almost over before it started.

rolled 7, 6, 8, 8, 3, 6, 8 = 46

Whoops! Too many die, throw my last result.

Rank+Ninjutsu-1 Elemental Weakness

rolled 2, 2, 8, 4, 9, 10 = 35

>>16449896
Shit, fuck, damnit, wrong again. -1 for your superior speed. He hasn't activated his yet.

>>16449890
>>16449896
>>16449905

oh my god, we might actually live!

>>16449905
I like this one.

>>16449905
6 you vs 4 him. Alright, let the carnage begin.
First we assess the damage.

(9 (Taijutsu)+4 (Martial Arts),+2 (Chakra Gauntlet's force), +5 (Wind vs Lightning))
20 dmg is very solid. Even against a huge target like the Raikage.

Additionally your poison lands and you deal 1/4 your damage in chakra loss. He then loses 1 chakra per turn from that point onwards. So he loses 5 chakra.

Lastly, the cutting power of the wind pierces him at the cellular level, your hand going right through his chest, that his chakra system is further disrupted by the wind chakra, knocking his Chakra Exhaustion limit down by 2. Instead of dropping at -1 or lower chakra, he now passes out at 1 chakra. Make that 2 for being injured. Yeah, he's also injured.

Lastly, he has to make a Rank+Chakra Control check at a -2 penalty (1 from injury and 1 from the wind damage) to even use chakra on his turn.

"Your village took my hand, in my turn Im taking its head."

rolled 8, 6, 2, 6, 8, 4, 2 = 36

With a movement of utter precision and righteous anger you charge the chakra into your gauntlet, the jets on the elbow igniting and rocketing your blow forward. Everyone expected your hand to be stopped by the sheer power of his lightning armor.

Everyone was shocked, however, when your fingers began screaming with the wind as you sliced right through the armor like it wasn't even there and the Raikage gasped in shock as your hand was suddenly up to the wrist in his chest. He then let out a second cry of pain at the feeling of his system being riddled by the wind chakra.

(Now to roll Rank+Toughness-2 targeting Determination to not faint)

>>16449935

Oh boy!

Incidentally, we might need to be professional if we win (it looks like it is).

>>16449948
Well the big ox hasn't fainted, but things are looking grim for him.

>>16449935
"Thank the remains of your wife's team for making this possible. Although, I suppose this arm is a little better than it used to be."

Now let's see if he rolls well enough to one shot us anyways.

rolled 9, 3, 1, 5, 3 = 21

>>16449954
I'd be impressed if he can wrangle up the chakra.

>>16449935
"You asked for it."
Now it is time to play keep away, in the mist if we can get it up.

>>16449948
He hasn't fainted, but is he able to take an action? Or is it our turn again?

rolled 4, 8, 5, 6, 10, 2, 7 = 42

>>16449974
Despite one of the lowest targets I've had to roll, he somehow scrapes it.

The Raikage roars out in anger, thrusting his massive fingers at you, the lightning around his infamous one-shot aimed right at your head.

>>16449974
can we spend a point of determination op? We got 2 extra successes right?

>>16449986
You need to beat his number of successes by more than 2 to activate Extra Effects.

rolled 2, 1, 7, 6, 3, 3, 6, 2, 9 = 39

>>16449984
Would it be rank + shinobi movement to dodge? if so rolling that.

>>16449984
How do we get out of this?
Can we dodge out?
Rank 4 + Shinobi Movement 5
Or do we attempt to block it?
Rank 4 + Martial Arts 4

Also, OP, he hasn't activated his speed, right? Which means that everything he does against us is at a -1, on top of all of the other penalties due to being Injured?

>>16450012
>>16449984

His 5 vs your Critical 9. Sadly it's a defensive critical, but that's not bad! You can make him skip his next turn for 3 (Normally 4) determination.

>>16450016
Your formulae and question are both correct.

>>16450025
What do you say guys? Worth it?

>>16450025
That would give us 2 turns in a row to attack him, right? if so HELL YES. (I rolled the attack critical, too, just a moment to late though)

>>16450025
I vote saving the determination for later, since it won't refresh for a possible fight against the brothers, right?

>>16450025
Hell yes we should do that. He'll lose more chakra and we get two actions? Win/Win/Win.

His armour is disrupted right? Let's try to finish him off with the buzzsaw. It is the nickname after all.

>>16450025
Seize initiative for 3 Det. Try to chop his arm off.

>>16450044
If the brothers come after us, the Leaf will get involved in this. If they follow us, we'll have the rest of the swordsmen to back us up at least but 3 determination likely won't save the day in that case.

>>16450044
If that were to happen I'd assume the leaf ninjas would attack them.

>>16450025
Yes, make him lose a turn. That means we get two attacks in a row, right?

What say we use a bussaw attack, using water? There are Konoha ANBU around, and I don't want to reveal the steam buzzsaw to them.

>>16450044
>>16450012

True, your low chakra and Determination won't restore.

However, those fingers hit nothing but the air, a wheeze of exhaustion coming from his lips as he shakes visibly, feeling too weary to continue, almost, stunned at how hard you were able to strike him.

>>16450055
>Seize initiative for 3 Det. Try to KILL HIM.
fixed that for you.

Consensus seems to be for making him lose his next turn.

Alright, turn's yours, go ahead and take your swing.

rolled 4, 7, 5, 8, 4, 5, 2, 1, 2 = 38

>>16450067
>>16450073
Rank 4 + Greatsword 5
Taking a swing, and activating our buzzsaw.

I think we should go with water, but if enough people want, we can go steam.

rolled 9, 10, 5, 8, 9, 6, 10, 5, 4 = 66

>>16450073
Let's use our sword's true power and make a name for ourself here, Water Buzzsaw!

>>16450085
Critical fucking success again. Dude's so dead it's not even funny.

(9+5+2 (water blade))*2

>>16450085
>9 successes and a crit.
>mfw

>>16450085
Go steam, let them see.
> capcha: otshalf recognize
Yes, capcha, half of the world will recognize us.

>>16450085
Stick with water. It's our thing you know. Being from the water village.

>>16450085
Glad you went first, but yes, steam.

>>16449935
With this, I have decided that being a ninja is all about knowing your opponent and having the right tool for the job.
I know that scroll was a gift from a seal master for a friend on a preeminent mission, but what would something like that usually cost?

>>16450085
Those rolls look pretty delicious.
We should probably use water

>>16450100
Combined damage over the course of the fight= 52, 5 chakra.

Only 2 people I've stated could survive that.

You flicker with a flash of your famous speed as he turns to block your sword is already cleaving him at the waist, your favorite strike. The man's heavy top body hits the ground and you breathe in the bloody mist, gathering your chakra back from the joy of your kill as well as the blood he is gushing, which dries up very quickly.

"Winner. Kirigakure." Asuma says as he lights up a cigarette, shaking his head with awe.

>>16450118
A fucking fortune. Elemental chakra sealed into a small scroll that can be deployed by anyone? A couple thousand ryo.

Gen really kinda likes you guys.

Congratulate A for Becoming a Raikage, at such a young age. Ha-ha.

>>16450118
>being a ninja is all about knowing your opponent and having the right tool for the job.
So, Shimaru is the TF2 Sniper?
>Professionals have Standards
>Be polite
>Be efficient
>Have a plan to kill everyone we meet

>>16450128

So... we just killed a Kage. Woooo.

Though it was mostly through luck and a trump card that we weren't sure was going to work anyway.

>>16450140
This but do it in the most sincere tone as we can. How is everyone around reacting to this?

>>16450138
I would assume wind chakra would even be the most expensive of all types, as well. I say we should dispense with the tactical rudeness now, we did what we came here to do.

>>16450147
That we did. And the Mizukage promised quite the reward for this mission although she didn't say what. Wonder what she has in mind.

>>16450159

Bow-chicka-bow-wow?

>>16450138
>couple thousand
>killing 5 ANBU and 22 Jonin only gets us 500 Ryo
Wow...yeah...the least we owe him is dinner.

>>16450140
Nah, mission complete, we leave the arena solemnly and offer him a slight bow out of respect. Then be on our way to await their ambush.

>>16450159
I hope its tons of cash or something better...or both!

>>16450150
Agreed.
wonder how much dosh mizukage's going to give us for this one.

>>16450140
>>16450150

A reaches out for his father, seeing the body laying there he collapses to one knee. B actually lifts his sunglasses in shock at what had come to pass. A few ANBU actually gasped. Kurenai is looking away from the pain and Guy's jaw is through the floor. Only Asuma remains collected, "Shit..." he says before he walks up to the body and touches it, sealing it away into a scroll and wrapping it, sealing it with wax and handing it to A, "My condolences." He says gently before patting the man's shoulder and walking away. "This show's over, everyone, disperse." he says with a wave of his arm, the ANBU agents vanishing as one, Kurenai and Guy coming up beside him as they wait for the Cloud to leave.

>>16450163
Yeah. The guy is definitely a bro.

>>16450154
>>16450150
>>16450140
Now is the time to decide.We can try and goad A and B into an attack, or be the stone cold killer.
I think taking this opportunity to cripple the cloud is important, but chances to be such a boss do not come around every day.

>>16450128
Flick blood of blade. Return sword to back. Nod to Asuma then to A.
"He was a good man. Good fight."
Step out of the ring.

>>16450178

Not part of the mission. We have one dead Raikage. Mission complete.

>>16450138
Say could we fucking hijack one of those rape-trains from the first movie, (You know, the ones that could fire millions of kunai and shuriken), and gift it to gen? I know, I KNOW, filler shit- but hey, the man IS the shinobi engineer.

>>16450178
Leave it. We were told to kill the Raikage and attacking them with the Leaf still here will only be bad for us. Probably start a war kind of thing. We killed the Raikage and it was totally legal as far as the ninja world sees it. If I understand things right at least.

Also, we should probably apologize to the rest of the swordsmen for not letting them do anything, heh.

>>16450176
We need to make it a point in our report that he had a large part in our successful assassination. Then we need to thank him personally, this time without the fake hostility.

>>16450193
We had an idea of giving him a summonable battlemech.

Just want to state I can't believe everyone wants to let the remnants of the Cloud's head family (and the new Raikage) go when we have such an opportunity, but I can see I have been outvoted.

>>16450198
Yeah, I think he deserves it.
I mean, we can go back to the jovial fake hostility later, but for one moment at least, we can be completely serious and sincere.

A rises, putting the scroll inside his coat as he speaks, "B, we're leaving." Then he faces you, "Shimaru Yamada. You are an excellent shinobi. The Mist should be proud of you. I, however, will never forgive you. Beware the Cloud. Don't ever let me see you again." he says and with that he puts on the Raikage hat and cloak on the ground and with B vanishes.

Asuma sighs, "Jeez...almost starting a war over this..." he says and smiles, "Good fight. Would you care to join us for some drinks?" He asks, looking at you and your pack of six friends, "I'm going to need a few drinks, and Guy-kun needs to get out every one in a while or Kakashi will kill himself."

>>16450214
The Leaf would have issues with it and start fighting with them. Not really going to make the fight easy and we've accomplished our mission. Sure, killing them would make us a legend. It'd also start a damn war.

"So, Might-San, when do you think we could get together and train?"

>>16450226

"Sure. Just as long as a snake and a shark doesn't show up to kill me, then I'm golden."

>>16450214
The problem is the Leaf ANBU here.
This was a sanctioned duel between 2 opponents, and was held deep in Leaf territory.
If we try to start anything, even with taunts, the Konoha ANBU will not stand for it.
Better that we go home now, and stay polite and professional, especially to the Cloud. It'll make us, and by extension, the Hidden Mist, look better.

>>16450226
I say go for the drink, and we need to come up with a good reason for A to challenge us to an official dual now... (after we get blitz 4 and a way to see while doing it, actually that brings up a good point, is there any way other than sharingan eyes to see normally while blitz 4ing around?)

>>16450226
Look over at the others.
"Sure."
Let's send a quick messenger pigeon back to the Mizukage first, though.
"Duel won; Third Raikage dead, A named Fourth."

>>16450251
>duel

So is there something special about Yamada? His growth from chuunin to jounin has been huge seeing as he's killing Kage's now. Or was it just lack of scaling during skill increase?

>>16450286
lack of scaling, keep in mind this is a test-run to flesh out the system and see what needs changing etc. Still, its been so much fun so far.

>>16450286
lack of cost scaling and specializing in killing people with melee attacks to the expense of most other things till this point.

>>16450286
Technically it's because the system was unpolished, yes, but we can just say he was a natural prodigy that just came into his prime. Now it is time set us apart from strong and lucky to actually great.

>>16450286
I'd say it was a combination of the scaling issue, everyone getting destructively creative with the system, annnnnnd a metric fuckton of luck.

>>16450251

Why do we need to come up with a good reason?

>>16450251
Absolutely. There's a Perk called Speed Familiarity which not only allows you to see but allows your body to not be hurt moving at those speeds. If you move too quickly you risk doing serious harm to yourself.

>>16450252
>>16450235
There isn't a gull to be sent, however, Gendo does summon his fastest crocodile who will swim to the Mist via river and deliver the message.

A night of cavorting and drinking ensues. You and Guy have a manly drinking contest where you collapse only a few drinks before Guy who swoons over and laughs the entire time. Waraji spends the whole night arm-wrestling Asuma and everyone has a good time. Partway through the night Kakashi joins you guys and though he recognizes you he is polite and fun none the less, drinking the least as always.

Morning's light comes and you all blearily get up from the table where you spent most of the night and bid one another farewell and go your separate ways. Yuki spends much of the day keeping close to you and being very touchy-feely all of the sudden, but when Tetsuo comments on it she flushes red and keeps her distance. Mangetsu, meanwhile, is having trouble keeping his form together as occasionally he loses a finger due to his inebriation. When you finally reach the ocean he climbs in drunk and climbs out sober. Gendo's crocodile is also waiting and the message is, "Great job, get some rest, come see me in a few days. -Mizukage."

>>16450315
>>16450306
>>16450304
>>16450297
>>16450286

Despite how powerful we are, or maybe because of it, I LOVE the high lethality of the system. The Determination system and the availability of sensing, information from the village, and extra successes makes, in my mind, the game highly lethal but highly rewarding when you fight and win.

Ambushes feel great and I like the scaling injury system hurting the dice pool. I also haven't really challenged us with a Ninjutsu specialist yet, we may have problems with that.

>>16450324
Eh, Kakashi and us just happened to be opposing each other on that mission. It's a fact of life in this mercenary ninja world; the enemy of yesterday may be the friend of today, and rival tomorrow.

>>16450320
We want Him to challenge Us, for the sake of hilarity. We need to provoke that.

>>16450324
Speed Familiarity, must have forgotten about that, we will need to get that soonish.

>>16450355
Nope, you aren't forgetting anything, I didn't have it in the sourcebook, it's just going to the big list of things to add. Patch 0.2 of the Five Nations Sourcebook.

>>16450340
Oh yeah. We're so specialized in Ninjutsu, that probably a chuunin who's generalized a bit could beat us in that department.
All of our ninjutsu has been geared towards supporting our swordfighting, so it can't really stand on its own.

>>16450354
Ninja Shadowrun.

>>16450340
Yeah, the only thing I can think that I'd like a bit more fleshed out are feints and the like. It seems like such a staple of the genre but other than extra successes it's not really represented in the system yet as far as I can tell.

>>16450375
Or, Metal Ninja Solid 3: Crocodile Eater.

>>16450378
Keep in mind, we ARE also sensors, so most feints fail against us and our zero visibility strategy doesn't really leave a whole lot of room for shenanigans of that nature.

All the same, I'd really be open to suggestions about how to include more feints.

>>16450324
I guess it's inspirational speech time. Someone else do it since I can't but I guess we can go on about how we've definitely shown at least two nations that the Seven Swordsmen are something to be feared again.

Also, damn Mangetsu for having such an easy way of not being drunk. And Yuki's crush amuses me.

>>16450355

He already wants to kill us. What more do you want?

>>16450401
Heh, we did say we'd help her rebuild her clan.

>>16450403
Him to challenge us to a duel to the death, said that three times now.

>>16450324

>Yuki bein' all over our steam-cock

Eyyyyyy

On a more serious note, could I get a description of what our guy looks like and his sword? I'm a lil' bit of an artist and wouldn't mind taking a crack at him.

>>16450407
It's true. The sacrifices we have to make... Heh.

>>16450389
I'M STILL IN A DREAM

>>16450408

Dude. We got LUCKY. Lightning, no pun intended, struck for us in a way that brought us out awesome and alive. Do you think we could manage a second time?

>>16450401

We probably had something of our speech last night when drunk.

"Seven Swordsmen...and woman...so...six swordsmen and one swordwomen...today...I killed the Raikage!! And we didn't even need to cheat to do it!! So...DRINK!"

>>16450410
Funny you should mention that. I've been working on a pic myself. I currently lack the means to fancy it up so sorry for that, but here's my interpretation none the less.

>>16450410
>>16450410
>>16450410
>>16450410
>>16450410
>>16450410
>>16450410
>>16450410

You would be my/our collective hero. Ok, I'm gonna break this down for you.

http://moe.animecharactersdatabase.com/images/naruto/The_Second_Hokage.png

That's basically our armor and underlying outfit. Our armor is gray with white accents, and also has no fur. Over the torso piece we wear a typical mist flak jacket as seen in the pic.

We have dark hair in a spiked middle-length style. Our right arm's lower half is replaced by a skeletal hand, but is usually covered by a metal gauntlet with tubes running up into our shoulder.

Our sword is a curved bladed greatsword about our height with an extended guard where the chakra streams from to create our Buzzsaw.

And that's Shimaru!

>>16450438
>>16450438

Dude, wow. That's baller as shit. I love it.

>>16450401
>>16450324
"Today was a great victory for The Mist and it's Swords. We have just shown two great powers how fearsome we have become -- But! That victory did not just prove I am greater than a Kage. It proved I was a shinobi. I learned my enemy and prepared for his weakness with the support of my village. The exact same fate could befall me, or any one of us. Come my friends, we can be yet stronger."

also, I am totally down for schmoozing with Yuki. Though in character it could get in the way of professionalism. Is this a weakness we allow? In any case, she should become a very close friend.

>>16450426
I did say we should get Blitz 4 first, that and a few other things and I would say "Yes, absolutely."

moving on, I say we go back to the village and have the team do their own thing for a bit, so we can take some missions.

>>16450438
Add a cloak, and its perfect.

>>16450438
SO BOSS
FUKKEN SAVED

>>16450449
Remember Jiraiya's words. The 3 undoings of a shinobi are money, women, and power. However, it should be fair to state, that one a shinobi IS truly powerful enough they can handle their business and have all 3, ala Fourth Hokage.

>>16450447
Thanks, I just downloaded a freeware editor so I'll see if I can't color it and make it look a little better. Won't be anytime soon though, I'm slow as fuck at clean up and coloring. Also beret cuz operators gonna operate.

>>16450408
Dude, that wind trick's not going to work a second time. A is going to be prepared for that, probably commission some kind of specific seal or something just to fight us. He's got the whole resources of the entire Kumogakure now, after all.

As for speeches, give it when everyone's sober:
"Now both Kumogakure and Konohagakure, and soon, all the other Hidden Villages, will know that the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist are back, that Kirigakure cannot be pushed around anymore.
"I am proud to count myself amongst your number."

>>16450449


It's in our interests, our the Mist's interests to continue her bloodline...but you are correct in it possibly being a weakness. If A finds out, I can see a near wife-for-a-wife thing happening.

>>16450468
>>16450451
>>16450449

Your team-mates are overjoyed to be a part of the Seven Swordsmen and as you get off the dock you see something that warms your heart. A massive statue in the middle of the village, right in the courtyard in front of the Mizukage's office, with seven non-descript swords standing crossed over one another with the words, "Strength of Steel, Bond of Brothers. Always Remember the Mist's Seven Swords."

Shinobi are not at all forbidden to have children or be in relationships, I'm pretty sure the entire cast we know about with a few exceptions were shinobi. Sakura's mom is a housewife.

>>16450449
Supporting this speech.

As for Yuki, let's see how she acts when sober. Though the fact that she gave us a new arm should make us appreciate her.

>>16450494
Fuck Yes. We're gonna have to spend the whole week thanking people at this rate.

>>16450494
Boss.

As soon as someone sees you they call out, "Look! It's the Swordsmen!" People literally drop what they're doing for a chance to see you all and cheer, "You're the hope of the village!" you hear from the crowds, "I wanna grow up to be just like you guys!" a little boy calls out and a little girl calls out, "I wanna be like Yuki-san! I wanna be a hero too!" The atmosphere of the Hidden Mist has done a total 180, people used to fear the Swordsmen as executors of the mad Kage's wishes. Now you are heralding a new beginning for the Mist on the world stage. The death of the Raikage at your hands sent a loud message to the world, the Mist wasn't just a weak little village cowering in the corner, they were a power of their own.

>>16450528

Bask in the glory, but humbly. Showboating we can leave to the other guys, we'll settle with a wave and some curt words of thanks. And possibly encouragement for the kids.

>>16450528
oh god you guys, I'm about to shoot water dragons out of my eyes from the manly tears.

>>16450541
Second. That's how Shima's been, not gonna change now.

>>16450544
How do you think Yuki feels? She's gone from hated to a hero of the village.

Priorities in my mind; giving the Mizukage a full debriefing. -Thanking Gen and letting him know, as much as we are allowed, how vital he was in our success.
I think chatting up Yuki can be on the back burner. We will train with her more than the others anyways, just to perfect what we can of the kekkai genkai, but being more personable than is our usual in the mean time.

>>16450544
>>16450541

Not even Waraji knows what to do with this. For the most part everyone just awkwardly waves, but in the group there is one person who can't handle it, Yuki cries. She laughs and cries at the same time, her hopes realized as she picks up a little girl and hugs her close, the girl smiling wider than ever before. Saito's eerie appearance didn't seem to put off the children who wanted to be like "the ghost-man", and Gendo's strange garb just made kids gasp in awe as you all walked through the crowd being a nice and welcoming as you could be. Even Mangetsu had a few kids with straw painted white to be like his hair coming up to hug his leg.

The event came and went, but you knew in your heart those feelings were never going to leave. When you turned the light in your room on a small boxed lunch was waiting with a note, "Congratulations on your success. We're all rooting for you! -Aya and Gen."

>>16450558
and kage damnit, I keep misspelling kekkei genkai. I know how it's spelled I swear. I guess I just want that symmetry.

Hey, OP. All the Seven Swordsman of Mist have radical epithets right?

What's ours?

Things to do:
1. Debriefing with the Mizukage.
2. Thank Gen. We owe him dinner.
3. Check in with Aya, let her know about A becoming the Fourth Raikage (though she probably already knows) and ask for any intel on Cloud ninjas and anything on A and B. They'll probably start targeting us.
4. Train with everyone and work on the Kekkei Genkai with Yuki.
5. Take missions, buy that ANBU cloak from our fence.

>>16450584
Buzzsaw of the Hidden Mist

>>16450584

Buzzsaw of the Mist, apparently.

...I think we can do better.

Fist of the Mist Star.

Saito's got it made with 'Ghost of the Mist'.

>>16450566
>Congratulations on your success. We're all rooting for you! -Aya and Gen
"...you guys..."

>>16450608
>Fist of the Mist Star
man i lol'd hard.

Since demand seems to be for talking to the Mizukage, so we shall.

Mei is sitting behind her desk when you open the door, her eyes down on some notes, but when she sees its you she stands up and claps her hands with a smile, "I don't know how you do it. Shimaru, I am overwhelmed. I'm so glad that we took such interest in you. You are more than I could have dreamed of." She says softly before moving some paperwork around and rising with a black folder, "I have an offer for you." She says and gives you the folder, which is locked tight until you place your thumb on a seal and give it some chakra, opening it slowly. Inside are written the words "Shimaru Yamada: Assigned to Deep Current. Security Level: Top-Secret. Superiors: Mei Terumi." When you look at her she says, "Of course you can still be a Swordsman, but you're now my right-hand man."

>>16450608

Don't you mean 'Ghost in the Mist?'

He'll have to work on that stand-alone complex of his though.

>>16450640

>>16450640
it's also seems party true, Saito gets shredded when we're not with him.

>>16450638
I think we should take it.
It's even more than we ever dreamed of. And those people outside were proof enough of Mei's legitimacy for restoring the Hidden Mist Village.

>>16450640
He could take a Signature Technique: Stand Alone Complex that's a chain of ninjutsu attacks done by a bunch of clones and himself.

>>16450638

Right hand man for the Mizukage... Captain of the Seven Swordsman.

Wow. I say we do it!

Now... all we have to do is go back home and find a note from Kisame congratulating us on killing the Raikage in some creepy,s talker way.

>>16450686
>>16450682

She's overjoyed at your acceptance and smiles, "You can go talk to Aya and ask for any file about any shinobi in the world except for myself. If we have their file, you can have full disclosure." She said before putting a hand out, "You've done a great job. Please keep it up." Her other hand is holding up a briefcase, "Of course, my new Deep Current agent needs a gift." She said and when you open it inside is a Mist ANBU cloak, black as night. "Your saleswoman is safe, though, don't worry. She can keep her business and I already paid her the money for the cloak for you." She said and waves to you, "Now, I need to finish some paperwork."

>>16450730
Accept the cloak, stand to attention.
"Yes, ma'am!"

Excuse ourselves. Once outside her door, let out a long breath.

I think we should go see Aya, see what intel we've got on A and B.

>>16450730

Hey, does this count as an uppage in rank? So could we go over 5 in skill level now?

Also YEEESSSSS BADASS CLOAK

Hmm...we gave her a full report, right? And we mentioned that much of the credit for success should go to Gen, for the seal, and Yuki, for providing the poison that sealed the Third's chakra, right?

>>16450752
Haven't decided on whether or not to allow higher than Jonin level. We'll decide once we get to a good discussion point. Kages would get like....8 or something, I dunno.

The file on A and B are both very short, telling you little that you didn't know. They have a bright red warning label saying to engage neither in taijutsu.

>>16450800

So instead, we'll engage them in BZZZZZZZZZZTTTT

...Oh who am I kidding, we almost fluked that Raikage win with those ungodly rolls.

>>16450800
Im pretty sure that red warning label on OUR file is even more bigger and menacing.

Hmm...as a Deep Current agent, does that mean that we don't go on missions except those given to us by the Mizukage?
Also, is the Deep Current like Konoha's Root? Highly secretive, and hidden from even their own jonin and ANBU?

Welp, I guess we should tour around with our badass cloak, meet Gen and thank him muchly for the wind scroll, meet with the other swordsmen to make sure the fame doesn't get to their heads too much (and definitely check on Yuki, natch).

>>16450836
Let's actually check it..

>>16450856
We'd need to wait awhile and look at another village's files. But I still support looking at our own file right now, and again after a while.

>>16450851
Nah, keep the cloak hidden.
Use it only when we're on a mission outside the Village.
Don't want to flaunt it in front of the ANBU. Though they obviously already know.

>>16450841
Nope, it simply means you have an over-arching duty to directly physically protect the Mizukage. If every village emergency happens you are to be by her side immediately.

>>16450856
You crack open your file and peruse your mission data. However, at the bottom is a black bar of tape with the words written "Engagement means death. -the Leech"

>>16450800
Oh, since we here in Intel.
To Aya: "Thanks for the lunch."

Then we should go over to Gen and thank him for the seal. Being known as one of the top seal artists who the Captain of the Seven Swordsmen goes to for all of his seal needs, is probably going to end up swamping him with work.

>>16450928
Ha!
Alright, let's read up on Kisame and Orochimaru, and see if they've been able to identify the organization they work for.

Just because I was trying to think how, thematically earth could beat water, like how we did with the Raikage; I imagine earth natured chakra could propagate through a water jutsu, absorbing it and turning to mud that adds more weight and power to the overwhelming earth jutsu. Considering how powerful wind jutsu cuts chakra paths, and that it is probably the nature of of earth jutsu to bludgeon and crush, perhaps the most powerful earth jutsu petrify their target on contact, so the earth chidori, or technique like we did to the Third, would be a punch that just makes a weaker enemy crumble, while a powerful water natured foe would find a chunk knocked out of them that's leaking mud, as the earth chakra converts theirs.

>>16450947
Orochimaru and Kisame are both marked as missing-nin, and though the file says they aren't aware of where they are you notice a map with reports of their past sightings up at a week ago. Additionally there's a blurry picture of Kisame in his Akatsuki robes.

>>16450931
Gen opens the door with a surprised laugh, "You're alive! Thank the Kage, you're alive!" He said and brings you inside, "I was really worried about you man." He says and pats your back.

>>16450961
With a chuckle; "Well, luckily I still had you there with me to help." Seriously; "Really, that wind seal you gave me saved my life, Gen. I can't thank you enough."

>>16450961
"Couldn't have done it without your Wind Seal. Without it, I would have been a dead man.
"Thank you, Gen."
As sincere as we've ever been.

>>16450986
He holds up his hand, "Hey hey. I'm just a man trying to help his friend." he said and offers you a handshake, "Friends?" Gen asks as he shifts in his robes, almost taken aback by how friendly you're being, but in a good way.

>>16450996
Take his hand.
"Friends."

>>16451010
He gives your hand a firm shake and sits down, "So, tell me how it went! I want to hear the details!" Gen said amicably as he poured you both some tea.

After a long afternoon with Gen you are free to wander around as you please, no missions are on board at the moment and the town is fairly quiet.

"Or...something more..."

And give him a smoochie.

So, whats our skill points and perks and stuff lookin' like now? And have you come up with a way for Massacre in the Mist to work?

>>16451034
Quiet, open afternoon?
Time to train! Create a Water Clone and train with the Avatar of the Sea. Also, there's that special Kirigakure technique called Kisame, which is a chakra-draining rain. We should learn that.

As for the other Swordsmen, I think we should give them today off. We just took down a legend, and we returned to a Village that idolizes us as heroes, rather than fears us as executioners. Give them a day to take it in. They can get back to work tomorrow.

>>16451072

Also, have you worked out any mechanics for how large group combat is going to work? I verily enjoyed slaughtering the Kinkaku force, but it did feel like the Inverse Ninja law was applying quite harshly.

>>16451078
Yeah, but also remember that the Kinkaku Force, shinobi for shinobi, is supposed to be weaker than us.

>>16451082
The idea behind the Mist and Sand are their reduced populations lead to a higher average shinobi level.

But yes, I can see why you say that. Do remember, however, the Second wiped out a ton of them before going down.

>>16451072
Yes, I think I have, disclosed as follows.

Each team-mate is assigned a single action as their job in the Massacre. When they perform this role they add a "point" to the Massacre Pool. At any time a person can cash in on the pool to give them that many automatic successes on their next role. However, the user of this ability has to pay an amount of Determination equal to their successes, and cannot roll in addition to the auto successes.

>>16451100
Without a method to restore Determination, this is an extremely draining technique.
Also, it doesn't sound like it could be used on upper-middle chuunin to jonin, considering the number of dice they would have available to them and the statistical likelihood of successes.

>>16451120
Which also reminds me, we need to figure out IF we do want to restore Determination mid battle.

I toyed with the idea of a Nindou, or Ninja Way, system where you state what your Ninja Way was and what things could happen that would fulfill that, which in turn restore Dedication.

However, it seems like either a ham-handed way to enforce roleplaying, or an easy avenue for power gaming.

>>16451120
Yeah since it costs determination for each success gained it'd be more efficient to just roll the attack. My suggestion is that you pay for the successes as you described with a pool and everything, but you can only add your rank in successes to your roll. That keeps it from being a death countdown but its still pretty scary to unleash.

Or if that's too much, base the number of successes you can draw upon off a specialized skill (like say 7 swordsman tactics) instead of rank.

>>16451161
Care to give me an example? I'm getting a little bogged down in the finer points.

Actually, couldn't gaining determination from the massacre work?

>>16451158
Yeah, I understand the concern for abuse, but it does also make sense from a dramatic perspective that if a character either pulls off something that he believes in, or that something that he believes in is threatened, that he would get more determined.
Some kind of mechanic for it would be nice, but the only ones I can think of feel too clunky.

>>16451158
You could run Nindou like FATE system aspects, and Determination like FATE points. Just sayin'.

>>16451185
I'm not familiar with that, please, elaborate.

>>16451179
I agree, maybe I could put a hard-cap on it. But then it's just like everyone has a virtual X more Determination, since they will be going out of their way to make it happen.

>>16451213
Then perhaps have critical successes refresh a small amount of Determination, to represent the flush of confidence from pulling off an amazingly good attack/defense?

>>16451173
Ok. Say that we're in mid battle. Four of the members have fulfilled their roles in the massacre so we have a pool of 4. Shimaru is attacking an enemy that he can't pin down for whatever reason and needs some help on the roll.

Version 1: He blows 4 determination to get 4 auto successes to his attack and rolls 7 success with no 1's giving him a total of 11, which manages to catch the opponents 9 defense.

Version 2: Shimaru spends 2 determination in order to get 2 successes from the pool. He can't spend more because he is capped at his skill of 2 in 7 swordsmen tactics (a skill made just for this ability a better name would be teamwork). This gives him 9 successes as opposed to 11.

>>16451241
Alright, I can respect that. I like the second version a lot, it gives a more tangible way to represent our training with one another.

>>16451232
Now that I can get behind. 100%. That's in the rules.

>>16451185
Different guy but...

In FATE aspects are statements about the character. They're usually a short phrase or sentence like "I will join the seven swordsmen!." Whenever a situation comes up where that aspect would be problematic or cause dramatic tension the character receives a fate point which can be spent to give a bonus to rolls or make rerolls. An example in game would be the scene where we had to choose between Kisame and the village. In that moment we would have received a fate point for deciding to stay in the village and join the seven swords.

I think for this system though, gaining a point after a critical success fits better.

Oh god. Not that we need to use this, but it is too much not to share.
During personal time with Yuki: Looking at your right hand, "You know, I hadn't thought about it this way before," moving closer to Yuki, looking deeply in her eyes "but you are already a part of me." -> kissy kissy time.
On a serious note, that is one hell of a connection, and we are rather freakish now, but she would be the most accepting of our true appearance.

>>16451321
Oh! Ok, Spirit of the Century uses something like that, I think. Is it based on FATE? I really like that idea because it encourages roleplaying with rollplaying rewards. I really would like to impliment it, and maybe we could kill two birds with one stone...

And use points gained for that stuff to help with feints and evasions? That's a bit of a stretch, but anyone else think this has any merit?

>>16451339
Yes, SotC is FATE 3.0's origin. FATE is the catchall name for the original and all the variants out there (and there are a lot).

>>16451321
That sounds amazingly like Burning Wheel's Beliefs system.

>>16451277
Now you just need to determine how much Determination gets refreshed, and if you want to factor in how many 1's were also rolled.
Like, 1 Determination for a Critical Success, and another 1 Determination for every 2 1's that are rolled. This would be when this music starts playing as you burn those Determination points into Extra Effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjjkHg5FOhk

>>16451339
I think it does. Maybe in keeping with the rank system you have set up, you can start with your Genin ninja way, then when you go up to Chunin you gain an expansion to your ninja way called 'definition.'

I think an example will work better here than me trying to explain. Let's take Naruto. His Genin ninja way would be "I never take back my words." His Chunin definition would be "I will never abandon my friends" and his Jounin definition would be "I stop the Shinobi cycle of hate."

I'm all for these point being useful for feints and what not. Maybe even some sort of surge of power mechanic when your way of life is on the line (Jiraiya and Rock lee come to mind).

>>16451403
Exactly! I kinda wanna use it like Hero Points from Mutants and Masterminds, but earn them like the FATE system or Wheel of Fate. I really like that origin.

What would Shimaru's be?

>>16451403
Perks could also be used to harness and improve these points. But maybe we should just use the Determination system and just allow them to be used in more ways, giving more options, and thus demanding more economic use of them?

We can gain them by following our Nindo, we can use them on extra effects as now, and we can also use them for stunting (ala M&M) to do things we don't normally do on the fly.

>>16451403

Plus it would make for a super badass battle when we're fighting our exact opposite, and we're both burning through determination like motherfuckers as we scream political and moral discourse at each other.

>>16451413
This obviously needs to be decided by a group consensus, but I'd suggest:

Nindou: "A shinobi must always strive for professionalism."
Chunin Refinement: "I have been called an honest man."
Jounin Refinement: "A shinobi must have faith in his village and his comrades."

>>16451413
Genin Shinobi Way: A true shinobi is a Professional.
Chuunin Definition: I am an Honest Man.
Jonin Definition: I will help to make Kirigakure a Village to be proud of again.

>>16451432
Hmm, it makes sense but that pushes Determination further into godstat territory. It's damn tempting to take as it is, if we base more of the point economy on it, it'll easily become a no brainer.

>>16451467

That is very true...perhaps I could remove Determination as a scalable stat and instead give everyone a default number, like 3. Then you can still add the bonus increase from when you put a skill to 5, which really is a show of dedication, and I cut the starting points by 5 for Genin, Chunin, and Jonin characters.

>>16451370

Man, early Naruto really had great music, didn't it...

>>16451413
>>16451403
I personally don't like these things for roleplaying a character as one player (which I presume is the normal assumption for your system) since it artificially pressures you to make certain decisions, but I do think it is suited to community roleplaying, since it structures the character's personality.
My preferred method is a 'gimme' system where you just tell the GM you want a gimme, (there should be some resitriction on how many you can take at once, and maybe how often) and in this system the gimme might be a point of determination or chakra or a success or something -- but the GM gets a gimme too, which he might use to say, okay you get your death blow in on their captain but now the reinforcements are here, or the lieutenant spends one on an attack against you in revenge. It's just a method of letting the GM know hey this really matters to my character and he is trying his hardest, without it being too touchy feely, freestyley, but the GM can just say fuck you and have the enemy use it on his defense against your attack. I can imagine the GM taking gimme's against a player as well, were the player would get one in return. I don't think this is such a great method for community play though. In fact, now I don't know why I wrote this out, I guess I just felt like sharing I system that was bumping around my head.

>>16451499
It did, but there's also SOME good music in Shippuden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev-Mftk4ij0

I really love this song. Something about it just sounds awesome.

>>16451498
Yes. Do not make determination buyable. All PCs should have great determination, that's why they are PCs and not mooks! Have some Feat that gives a bonus point if you really must.

>>16451507

The hero point system in Mutants and Masterminds works just like this. Whenever you, the GM, trump the players with Fiat, fudge dice, whatever, you give them a hero point for complications.

I think it's a system that gives a huge feeling of fairness and reduces the sensation of railroading.

>>16451515
Alright, I think I can agree with this as well.


From this point onwards, Determination will no longer be purchasable from character creation. If you want to increase it with your Skill Mastery Bonus, that's fine, because that will be so rare that it's really not going to unbalance things, and it's available to everyone, and it's taking a hit to your other more frequently used areas.

Sounds good to everyone?

>>16451515
Maybe keep the +1 per rank up thing though. Yeah there definitely needs to be a feat to start with a higher determination and then a perk that can add to it. Instead of just excising it, is there anything we can put in its place that would make sense?

>>16451537
Im against, system gets way too complicated.
Well, it was fun while it lasted.

>>16451556
Hmm....a few choices.

Awareness. It removes the need for Genjutsu for all but personable people and Genjutsu specialists. This also makes for a dedicated sensor stat.

An interpersonal stat.

Or maybe a melee skill stat to tell skill apart from strength?

>>16451561
Why did we feel the need to do this, btw? Like, what was the impetus?

>>16451561
I'm not sure how "you no longer buy determination" is more complicated, but ok.

>>16451561

What's so complicated about NOT doing something?

I'd have thought you'd be complaining over the Massacre thing if you want to moan about complication.

>>16451578
I'm fond of awareness myself.

>>16451595
Makes sense by not having all Genjutsu users these watch-dogs and not making all sensors fortresses of willpower. I like Awareness.

Ok, we're gonna need a new thread soon we're getting close to auto-sage. I'll put the changelog up there.

>>16451593
This Massacre thing is even more complicated, I dont want to keep track of more than two pools. Additional dice for teamwork, while all Seven are assembled, is simple and damn effective for a perk.

>>16451605
Instead of adding another stat, you can use Chakra stat more.

>>16451641

New thread's up. Thanks to anon the artist for the fuck awesome picture again.

>>16451537
The vote is for normalizing determination for PC's, right? What I understand this as saying is 'being more determined than your teammates isn't a valid archetype, you are all determined.' So why let it change later with stat ups and perks? The new system you are working on can give determination right? I think that should be what fuels it. Although this goes back to my dislike of, I guess I could say the FATE system, but I don't really know it, so I will refrain, but that style where you start trying to bullshit all your actions into fitting into this sentence you said about yourself.

>>16451643
Glad you like it. Hopefully I'll have something a little more polished in a few days.